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Glick's Comedy Lounge: Deece Casillas
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Get ready for laughs and absolute Nonsense tonight on Glick's Comedy Lounge featuring stand-up comedian Deece Casillas!! We're talking comedy, chaos, wild stories,and whatever else happens when the mic turns on. @deececasillas5400
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We'll be right back.
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Comics and friends, yeah, the mic's turned on.
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Half the jokes playing, half totally wrong. Backstage stories, things we shouldn't say, we're gonna laugh about them anyway.
Introduction to the Comedy Lounge
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Hey, welcome to Glick's Comedy Lounge, where the jokes go wild and the laughs get loud.
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Pull up seat, stay all night long Tell crazy story, sing along to the song Tell us how it went down At least Comedy Lounge
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Guests on the couch with wild tale to tell From the road, the stage, or a barroom, hell The crowd's getting loud and the stories get strange Every single night the chaos rearranges No scripts here, just the truth and the laughs And maybe a roast if you cross Glick's path Welcome to Glick's Comedy Lounge Where the jokes go wild and the laughs get loud
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Pull a seat, stay all night long Tell a crazy story, sing along to the song
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Late nights, lose mics, stories all around.
Return from Vacation and New Comedian Methods
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welcome to Glick's Comedy Life.
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Pull up a seat, stay all night long Tell a crazy story, sing along to the song
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What's going on everybody? Happy, what is today? Wednesday. Oh my god. I still got vacation brain, sorry. Welcome up to Glick's Comedy Lounge right here on the nonsensical network.
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I just find a bunch of random ass comedians, yank them in here, and basically say, make us laugh and tell us crazy stories. And that's so different tonight.
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If you're not already, go ahead and give us a follow. Give us a like. Give us a share. You can find us everywhere. Bio.link slash nonsensicalnetwork. You know the drill.
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We are everywhere. and we're trying to get back into the swing of things. We've been off for a week. So enough about me. Enough about us.
Guest Introduction: Dees Casillas
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Got a very funny comedian and a little bit of a comic book nerd joining me tonight. So I'm super excited about that.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the one and only Mr. Dees Casillas. And I hope I said your name right. You're so close. You're so You know, really, honestly, let's go with Casillas. You know, the way things are going in America today, I think we want to make it as as least beaner sounding as possible.
00:05:16
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It's actually Casillas Berg. We dropped the Berg when we came across over Ellis Island. That's where my people came from. Don't look into it any further, people. Don't look into it any further. This is an ice-free zone. You're safe, my friend. Yeah, yeah. yeah, good luck. And they're up there you they're out there shooting white women now.
00:05:36
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When they start shooting white women, it is game over for the Browns. We lost. Back the world. Okay. That's, you know, they're, you know, white guys, maybe we still got a chance. So they're shooting white women.
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okay over we It's, it's, we done lost it. Yeah. No more 911 calls. White woman in danger. That's not going to help. man What's going on, man. Welcome to the show. Welcome to the network. I appreciate you taking a little bit of time out of your evening and hanging out with us.
00:06:06
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Yeah. Thanks for having me, man. i Appreciate it. Absolutely. This is, this is a, This is still kind of a new venture for me. I you know i love stand-up comedy. I have a lot of friends that do comedy.
00:06:18
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And I was like, you know what? yeah I already do a music show where i interview musicians. Why not see if I can get comedians on? Yeah. And I should have known better because I have friends that are in the business.
00:06:31
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ah And you guys have not disappointed. So been having a lot of fun hanging out with. with you guys that do this comedy thing because God love you because I like to think I'm funny, but I couldn't get up on stage. had no way, shape or form of my comedian. Do I want to get up on stage and tell jokes? I'm quite comfortable right here.
00:06:53
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in my little studio where I know that there's no 100 eyes or 1000 eyes. on me I mean, there might be, but I can't see them. You know, you just need a healthy dose of bad childhood delusion and a touch of propensity towards alcoholism. And you'd be on track to be a comedian in no time.
00:07:14
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Shit, I sounds like I've got the perfect combination to be like right up there top tier comedian. You know, really, really all takes. I think that's why I do the podcast. You know, I have a, I have ah a fear of a stage fright, public speaking. It's not my ah favorite thing to do. Oh yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like a Seinfeld's old joke where more people are afraid to a public speaking. That's like the number one fear in life is public speaking. Number two is death. So if you're at a funeral, I'd rather be in the casket than giving the eulogy. shit but um
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What's going on, Kayla? What's going on, Daniel? We do have a live chatterbox. Anybody who's watching, tuning in, you guys near the drill. Any questions, add your two cents, add your two bits. I'll be pulling them up on on on the...
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on the screen so you can see him as well. My Venmo is Dease hyphen Casillas. Feel free to send me some money. I'll take an article of clothing off for each every $5 I get sent. So what was that Venmo again? I am a cheap whore guys, easily bought. This is a new type of show. but Why does this Glick guy keep randomly sending me $5 every five minutes? yeah I'm pouring out my guests for views and clicks. I'm not even wearing that many articles of clothing right now. As far as you know, it's just a shirt and a hat. So this could go very quickly for as little as $10, you know?
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Hey, man, I say be as comfortable as you can. I tell people every every week, every time I'm live, I'm porky pigging it. You just don't know. Because you can only see me from here. Right. So, yeah.
00:08:59
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so um I'm always curious, what part of the country are you, know, have to give like your exact location, you know, for obvious reasons. Yeah, I'll
Exploring the San Antonio Comedy Scene
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drop a pin. yeah ah look you Come, come see me. and You know, it's like, i I can't hide, like I literally post, I have a website dedicated to telling people when and where I'm going to be places.
00:09:23
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So like, you know, if someone wants to assassinate me or to give me the what not, They're going to find me. i you know I literally put my face next to a time and date in a venue.
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ah So they're going to find me. i'm in I'm in San Antonio, Texas, though. Oh, nice.
00:09:42
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Yeah, i will I love it down here. i've been in Texas for a couple years now. Oh, yeah. how's the ah How's the comedy scene out there? You know, ah well, it's great. I mean, it's it's really great. We obviously have Austin close by. We have a lot of big markets, San Antonio itself, Dallas, Houston. um And, you know, but Antonio is great. We've got four clubs growing. um I mean, I get up a ton during the week, and then I'm on the road a lot, and run a bunch of my own shows. ah So, yeah.
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Yeah, San Antonio, it's, ah you know, I think it's in a growing phase. Every so every scene, like... ah It has like like a time when it's growing and then the talent moves away, yeah the better talent moves away. And then it has to kind of start like a little ah ah chrysalis again to start over. But this is that's this is boring for your listeners. um So anyway, it's good. It's fine. you know
00:10:46
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you can say you can you can say anything you want to say here. and like i used to live in Washington state and that was not as great for the old freedom of speech. It's funny, all my liberal friends too, when I moved to Texas, they're like, oh, Texas, did they give you a gun when you moved to Texas? That's crazy, no.
00:11:06
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like god as crazy no give me three guns, motherfucker. Let's go. Let's go. Let's do this. We're real men out here, you know?
00:11:18
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And then they're like, they know they want to give me shit. they're like, oh, it's Texas though. You know, you know, you can't have, you can't get an abortion in Texas. And I'm like, yeah, oh, okay. that That is true. But also I can't get an abortion anywhere.
00:11:31
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So i don't really get I mean, if you listen to some people, you know, you, you could, if you wanted to, you know, I'm not going to give it a try. I don't want that specular on my urethra, you know, 43. I have enough time getting hard. I don't need another. just No, you know, and that's the thing, you know, for, for comedians, you know,
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if nothing is off limits for you guys. and and And if you're living somewhere where, you know, they do kind of try to squash certain, you know, beliefs or certain things or people get their feelings hurt too easily, it makes it very hard to be a a standup comedian.
00:12:17
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Yeah, yeah. I I would do things in, well, I stopped doing things in Portland years ago, but when I would used to go to Portland and do things, you'd go to like showcases or open mics to try to work some material. It's and somebody would just start a premise, right? Like they haven't even gotten to the joke. You don't know where they're going. They just start a present premise. And somebody in the audience, like some other comic or someone would just yell out, no, like motherfucker, you don't even know what he's saying yet. You have no clue where this joke is even going. Like let him get it out.
00:12:49
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And even if it is like – bad or dumb or doesn't work uh or whatever like it's not your job to tell someone what they're allowed to do with their art you know like the market will decide if they get to do if they get to be successful at this right yeah um and uh yeah it just is to me the problem is like either everything's off the table or nothing is. You can't start picking and choosing all a la carte because if you took 10 people and asked them to tell you what their moral line was, it's going different for all of them. so Who are we catering to and where, especially like
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you know, if you're in Portland or if you're in Boise or not Boise, I don't like Sandpoint, Idaho, North Idaho, very, very different demographics and very different points of view. You know, I book shows across this country and there's there's comedians from Portland I like. But when they want to do a show I have in like Montana, I'm like, I don't think that's for you, dog.
00:13:53
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I'm like, I don't, yeah like you know, I have to like nicely tell them, like, sorry, they don't want to hear, ah you know, about how sometimes you feel like a woman and your antidepressants are all to get you through the day. Like they don't need that shit, you know. I mean, just do that, do that. I'm not saying don't do that. I'm just saying you got to figure out this where it works and where it doesn't.
00:14:16
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Yeah, so know the room. Know the room. and Yeah, they don't want to hear about your life as a, you know, transsexual communist pixie. and because they're not kind to They're not going to deal with that very well in, you know, in good old Butte, Montana, a bunch of old coal miners. They're about to commit a hate crime.
00:14:40
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So yeah sure for real it's the crazy thing, like you said, where, you know, they would just shout out. No, I mean, that's the whole premise of of an open mic or, you know, is to get out there and work out new jokes or I mean,
00:14:56
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see what hits, see what doesn't hit, you know, whatever the case may be. So here's an idea. Shut the fuck up. Yeah, you got to give people a chance to work it out because, you know, especially when it's new, you know, like sometimes you really don't even know what you're saying yet. And you're, like, sometimes you've got it down. Like, there's sometimes I've got a joke It's basically done by the time I take it to stage. And then there's sometimes where it's just an idea, you know, and I'm just talking and you're trying to figure it out. And sometimes you say shit that's crazy. You're like, well, that I can't say that again. That's not something that's going to, you know, that's not good for audiences. That's insight that's an insight thought. I can get on a watch list if I hear someone hears me say that again.
00:15:41
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ah but yeah but Don't let your your thoughts win. You got to have a chance to get it out. And, yeah you know, yeah again, it's an open mic. People are it's like you got to let them ah work it out the way they want. I mean, Jesus Christ, if I heard every if I told everyone to shut up every time I heard a stupid premise, I'd spend my whole life with you to walk around so bitch slapping microphones out of people's hands.
00:16:07
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know Calm down, Kanye. Yeah, just be a fucking lifetime commitment to this. Like, no, you just let him do it. Let him do it and they'll figure it out. Like, yeah, he's got a stupid rape joke. It's terrible. It's a bad joke.
00:16:20
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But also, like, I don't know. Are we saying you can't joke about that? Like, there's very success. Like, look at Anthony
Evolution and Style of Jokes
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Jeselnik. Now, here's the problem. Most people aren't Anthony Jeselnik. They're not. They don't have his charm. They don't have his ability. They don't have his writing skill. They don't have his... um time in the game, but they could eventually if they keep going. So, you know, eventually that joke could be something that works, you know? Yeah, exactly.
00:16:49
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You know, and, Again, mean that's that's that's the goal. I mean that's the point of and you know and I've had few comedians on here and that's they've also the same thing Nobody really takes open mics that serious and I've been to some open mic shows with some friends of mine and yeah They want to go up there and they want to work out, you know new material or you know try a new thing maybe there maybe they're a punchline type one, ah you know, like one liner.
00:17:15
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Yeah, one liner or their story. And they wanted to start to transition into telling stories, you know, and and I've got some friends down in Tampa that are comedians and and Tampa's kind of blowing up.
00:17:25
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Yeah. terrible i amazing And I've gone to a few open mics down there and like before they go on on stage, they're in the back horsing around busting each other's balls, you know, and then they get up there and do their thing. But I mean, that's, that's, that's the whole point. You know, I just throw some shit at the wall and whatever sticks, maybe I'll use it down the road. You don't need some jerk off saying no.
00:17:47
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Yeah. Well, it's the problem is it's always the people who I said this. I've never met guy. a good, successful, consistently working comedian that's really ever worried about what other comedians are doing.
00:18:04
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It's always people who have nothing else to do, have just this modicum of power in a local scene, or some, like, guy who books some fucking local showcase so he feels like he has something he can lord over people. um that That's all it is. It's not like people who actually, if you actually do comedy, I'm like, you don't really get to tell tell me about comedy when you've never done comedy out of the zip code you live in. Like, you know it's it's it's it's that It's that mentality of, you know, you have the guys and girls who peaked in high school. You know, sometimes you go back home to your hometown, and I'm from a small ass, and I got a good friend of mine in here in the chat.
00:18:47
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ah You know, I'm from a small town in Podunk, S, Ohio, and sometimes you go back home and you still see guys who are 45, you know, 46 years old, and they're still wearing their Letterman jacket and talking about that one time. Yeah.
00:18:59
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and In high school football, it it's just like, wow. Remember when I fingered Stacy under the bleachers? That was great. That was the time of my life. yeah Scored the winning touchdown and then got a dry hand job you behind the yeah supply shack. Oh, God.
00:19:17
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Those are the good old days. yeah he You know? it's It's always that type of guy who, you know, I guess kind of, I guess the term that's been thrown around a lot is like gatekeeping, you know, like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:19:30
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Congratulations on being the best comic in all of you know, po-dump Kentucky. but like' thinking can Way to go Eugene, Oregon. i don't you know. but Fuck nowhere. you know so Tennessee. like ah ah No, that's ah that's that's wild to me. But, I mean, there's a lot of people across the board and, you know, whether it's comedy, music, you know, podcasting or whatever, you know, you get these guys that just get that little a little bit of, you know, a success and they're like,
00:20:01
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let me tell you how to do this. Cause I know better than anybody. wow Yeah. Yeah. and
00:20:09
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Yeah. Speaking of the, the comic, the comic style, what is, what what style do you kind of lean towards? You seem like you're a very animated person. who Well, and be ah I see that cause I'm the same way I'm constantly moving. um But what's, what's your kind of style of comedy? Are you a storyteller or ah a joke guy, a joke writer?
00:20:30
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i'm I'm a joke guy. I don't really tell a lot of stories. I've got a couple in my set. I try to mix it up a little bit, but it's pretty set up punch, set up punch. so That's kind of what I do.
00:20:41
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um I like jokes, you know, laughs per minute, you know, things like that. You got to keep it moving. um I do kind of envy storytellers a little bit because they can like – woo people with oration and not have to have a lot of beats not have to have like a lot of lot of laughs in it sometimes yeah ah but uh it's just not my style of comedy you know like the like storyteller comedians are not really my favorite comics um so I think I just, yeah, just I just, always gravitated towards like joke guys, you know? And that's, that's the shit I like.
00:21:20
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So. You know, it takes a, it takes a special, in my opinion. And again, this is just the fans perspective. out Again, I'm in no way, shape or form a standup comedian, ah nor do what I ever claim to be, and but it takes a, it takes a special type of,
00:21:38
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Comedian to be able to go up there and and tell stories and and get the laughs and be successful and keep people's attentions Especially in the especially in the world that we live in now where it's 15 seconds 30 seconds, you know, you got to keep our attention Yeah, we're we're bored and we're we're moving on to the next thing, you know I think what you see, you know in comedy is like Newer comics really have to tell jokes because you have no, um like there's, you have, you don't have any cache yet. You know, you don't have any credibility.
00:22:11
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So you have to tell jokes to keep them engaged where as you get, You know, you see a lot of bigger comics who become more established. they're their Their hours, their specials become less punchy and like longer stories. And it's because they have the rope.
00:22:28
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The audience is there for them. They're bought in. They're invested at that point, you know. So like they're they're there for the experience and they're going to give you that latitude to give them any experience you give them. Whereas when you're younger, you're like, I got to pop, pop, pop, pop. And i think i'm just such a road dog like i'm on the road a lot i'm doing like you know sometimes it's good clubs sometimes it's you know small bar shows on the weekdays um and shows like that like you really gotta like you don't have time to be like let me tell you this story about you know one time when i was in uh poughkeepsie and people like we don't give a shit tell us make us laugh or we're gonna start paying you know we're gonna
00:23:10
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start trying to sexually assault the barkeep again. think you know like But just says start dropping the N-bomb and there's no black. They start yelling the N-word soon. like i show pump Guys, but gibs you're getting it getting crazy.
00:23:25
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a other So you that was part of it too. It's like a survival mechanism of like, you have to really be just like hammer them, you know?
Pacing and Crowd Work in Comedy
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yeah,
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so I really, when I, so it's funny cause I'll, I have to like pace myself sometimes because I'll get into a theater or a club that I'm doing if I'm not doing like a brewery or bar show or something or like a different indie venue.
00:23:52
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And you're like, it's just a different, it's a different pace, you know? Cause like, if you're in a comedy club, people are there for the comedy. So like, I'm like, oh, you gotta slow down, and like slow down.
00:24:04
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You can you can do this slower. You can wait for the, you know, really wait for the applause and the laughter to die down before you move to the next piece. Whereas you're in a like a bar show, you're talking over them to to keep them engaged, you know.
00:24:23
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Are you know, compared to compared to like the the bar shows or the breweries or smaller venues compared to like a theater or an actual comedy club. you know obviously you know open mic you might have two three minutes you know some of the clubs and does that that time is there is there a big difference in the time restriction if if you're know whether you're in a brewery or at a theater oh well no usually i mean usually if i'm doing a show i'm headlining so i'm doing an hour um and you you know if you're headlining usually have latitude to do um
00:24:57
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You know, it's usually they they'll tell you, you know, it's like 50 minutes. We need 45 usually a minimum of 45 minutes, but they're usually like 50 minimum. But you can do 60 plus as long as there's not another show coming up or something. yeah So um I usually.
00:25:13
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I mean, I'm usually doing 55. fifty five um it It depends on the audience. If they're having a lot of fun, I'll give them some extra stuff. Or like it goes a little longer because you're messing around with them in the middle.
00:25:25
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um if it's ah If it's a bumpier show or you can tell they're getting tired, you're like, all right, we'll wrap it up around 45. You just kind of feel it out. um So, yeah, it really depends on what you're booked for. Mostly I'm headlining. There's times where you're doing showcase shows, you're doing, you know, 20 minute sets and things like that. So it just just kind of depends.
00:25:48
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thanks Thanks. Okay. I was going to ask you, you know, do that's I was going to kind of go there, but you beat me to the punch about like headlining and featuring and and stuff like that. But I mean, how hard? how hard I couldn't imagine trying to i'm trying to write something and prep something for an hour.
00:26:05
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For you personally, i mean, in each comic's gonna be different. But for you personally, is it hard to sit down and write and and try to come up with some new stuff for an hour? you know If you got four or five shows and in kind of a close proximity and in in ah you know in an area, are you trying to do something new or mix in some new with some of the stuff that you may have already done just in case you get some repeat offenders, so to say.
00:26:31
Speaker
Well, it's nice of you to assume anyone would come see me twice. That's generous. if you the yeah um yeah yeah You know, really, it's like I don't sit down and write. Like that is not how I produce comedy. Everyone's got a different process. I know people who do. That just seems like a nightmare to me. It just, see can you know, um yeah It's never been successful to sit down and like force myself to write. Usually I do my best writing um either when I'm driving in between vent like on the room, I'm on the road doing comedy. If I'm driving like three to five hours a day, um I'll just know music and just drive within in silence like a psychopath.
00:27:18
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um Or just like I'm like a serial killer, like, you know, down his ex-girlfriend. they know or ah Or like, yeah you know, I do weekly podcasts, The Social Hour with Dease Casillas, new episodes, most Wednesdays, shameless plug. um You know, sometimes that some sometimes content will come up on there and I'll say something that's like, you know, a funny premise. um And I write it down and I'll i'll work on that later.
00:27:50
Speaker
but like a lot of it's really, it's just... it just kind of comes to you, you know, in a weird way. Like I'll just think of something, like I talk to myself a lot when I'm alone. And um if I say, I'll kind of like rant about things that I'm thinking about. And if something makes me laugh, I'll go, oh, that's funny. That's interesting. And if I can think of a couple more beats about it, how to kind of approach it present it on stage, then I'll, you know, give it a shot and see what I can do.
00:28:17
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But most of the time, here's a peek behind the curtain, guys. I hate to i hate to break this to people, but if you know a comedian, you tell if they tell you they're doing a different hour every night, they are a fucking liar.
00:28:30
Speaker
um A whole lying sack of shit and go watch them five nights in a row and I guarantee it'll almost be verbatim. Yes. yeah that's it You know, most of the time you have like an hour you're you're doing, you're running at that time.
00:28:49
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There might be a little like flex, a little bit of variation depending on the audience. You know, you're like, ah, maybe they're not that into this. You know, maybe I hammer this in. Maybe I've got this new thing I want to work on.
00:29:01
Speaker
I will kind of put it in between two things that I know work. So if it's what we could totally call a shit sandwich in the industry. yeah right know if yeah You know, it's like the ends are good, but if it's if it could be shitty in the middle here. um My dog's coming to join us. um yeah it One of my dogs here.
00:29:25
Speaker
Yeah. Well, you know, yeah, you kind of just, which is the best way, which is nice when you're like on the road a lot and touring. It's the best way to work new material because you have an opportunity present it to a,
00:29:38
Speaker
actual competent comedy audience is there by choice not just like hey this is a bar i went to to have drinks as well as contemplating my suicide and some psychopaths with a fucking microphone are in the corner telling me about their yeah how crazy airplanes are you know yeah see so you can in not exactly the most willing audience you know yeah it's just they're just kind of getting uh getting it forced upon them yeah yeah it's like you're you're not yeah' you're not getting a real like response of what your jokes would get uh from a real comedy audience yeah exactly i think it's a nice way to think about it you know you paid for this i own you for the next hour you're really yeah i mean honestly it's
00:30:27
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if you have that mentality while you're on stage, you really, it's it's like, ah you have to understand, like, it is your time. You are the one with the microphone. You know, you, it is, you can, you know, someone told me early on that, like, when you first get up on stage, Sylvie, you,
00:30:46
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Sylvie, come here. Sorry, my dogs are staring at each other. the When you first get up on stage, like, take a second, let there be silence, take a breath, and let everyone settle, you know? And it does help kind of reset the room.
00:31:00
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It sets a tone that, like, oh, we're supposed to be quiet and listen to this, you know? um It really does make a difference. There's little, like, psychology things, like, because people are dumb. um and They're really easily manipulated. So, like, it's...
00:31:15
Speaker
yeah It doesn't take much, just a moment of silence for them go, oh, wow. Oh, shit. You know. Well, not only that, now that you've openly admitted that, you know I'm going to say allegedly, potentially a serial killer who drives in silence and has full on conversations with yourself.
00:31:33
Speaker
you know they Yeah, you know it's best it's it's in their best interest to be quiet. you know when you have make up ah Otherwise you could join the rest of the yeah your friends in the basement. I'm leaving town after this and you know you may leave with me if it goes the way we want it to. Yeah, exactly. um on the On the comedy thing and and and jokes and stuff like that,
00:31:58
Speaker
Um, and, and this is, this is kind of become a new topic of conversation that I've noticed amongst, um, comedians or people in that, in that circle. What are your thoughts and feelings on, on comedians who do a crowd works have crowd work?
00:32:13
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I knew this was coming. Um, you know, you know, I think they're all pedophiles personally. Um, I think they're, I've got proof of that. So, you know, get we're going to, we're going to release it with the Epstein files. So, you know, as if as thats out we're going to release our evidence too. So, you know, uh, Todd Berry, watch your back. Um, So how do you really feel about comedians? you
00:32:44
Speaker
Don't hug back or anything, Dees. Here's the thing. like i It's fine. This is...
00:32:52
Speaker
this is Like every every comic every working comic does some crowd work at some point in there in their set in their life as a comic.
00:33:03
Speaker
um Some more than others and it's fine. That is fine. It's going to happen. There is the part of the problem, though, is like if you're doing crowd work traditionally, you can kind of fuck yourself because It really, it is magic, you know, when like a really, really good organic crowd work moment happens when you're not even trying to do crowd work. You just, someone says something, you say something back and then it like, it's like lightning in a bottle, right? And then you like ride that wave and ride it. And like, the the longer you ride it, the more there's this momentum and everyone's just laughing. Like, holy shit, this is we're all in this like moment, right? yeah
00:33:44
Speaker
You know, it's like, then... it ends. um And then, you know, then you have to go back to just like telling your jokes.
00:33:55
Speaker
And it's, it's definitely, you know, you have to get good at being able to walk back into that, because can't just go right back into material because people be like, Whoa, wait wait a second. Like,
00:34:07
Speaker
no What is this bullshit? you You were doing magic a second ago. you know thank you this is This is crazy. This is this is what you were just doing. So that is that is tough. um But you know with as far as like the new craze of crowd work, I'm To be honest, I think it's pretty cheap.
00:34:31
Speaker
um I think it's mostly pretty bad comedy. um You know, it's it's all it's always like, oh, where are you from? I'm from i'm from Rhode Island. oh Look at this homo from Rhode Island. little And everyone's like, you know, it's like, what is, I don't know, what's what what was funny about that? he's Yeah, exactly.
00:34:51
Speaker
But, and it also, it's encouraging the audience to ah interrupt during a show because they want to be part of the They want to be part of the clip. They think they see this on social media and they think it's like expected now. um And I'm here to tell you, most comedians, we don't fucking care what you have to say.
00:35:14
Speaker
Yeah. Even if we're not, even if you see me in public, I also probably don't fucking care what you have to say. exclusively at a show. I just probably care so little about your opinion.
00:35:25
Speaker
and Any thoughts you may have. um so like the I just want to make that clear to everyone. ah I'm kidding. You can talk to me on the street. if It's fine. but But in a show, ah it's just it's usually going to interrupt and it's not going to be great. and it's nu but Here's also what I say on the other hand of that. like It's kind of just the way comedy is going, right? And I can't,
00:35:54
Speaker
and i can't hate it if it's working and successful i think it's kind of cheap i don't think most it's very good there's some people out that are better than others but like listen when lenny bruce started telling like jokes right i'm sure all the vaudevillian guys were like what is this we tumble that's comedy we do tumbling you know and then like yeah so like they were pissed too you know yeah And comedy evolved. So maybe it's just, this is just the new thing. and um the The old generation. So like, i don't know, you know, the market will decide what, what, what is.
00:36:36
Speaker
Well, and and and not only that, and again, you know, I'm, you know, I got two takes on it here. Hey, there's a reason why you're on stage and we're sitting in the crowd.
00:36:48
Speaker
Right. yeah yeah I'm not a comedian. i' I don't need to make jokes to the comedian who's supposed to be making me laugh. Yeah. Yeah. early You know, if, if the comedian engages with the crowd organically and they're not just some jackass yelling, you know, because he's had 17, know, shots of whatever that he wants to yell because he wants to be a part of the show. He breezes deep. you know But there are, there's some of these big names out there who have blown up specifically off of their crowd work and social media, but their actual standup,
00:37:29
Speaker
is tracks. Yeah. Yeah. one yeah It's like, I mean, essentially what you're doing is what I do every Saturday night here on the network. And that's just roast everybody who comes in and hangs out on the panel with me. right yeah ah But yeah, no, it's, it's, it's wild to be how, how much it's become kind of a thing. i don't know. Maybe it is. i I enjoy some of them. There are some out there that are, you know, amazing at, it Sure.
00:37:59
Speaker
Their comedy is also really good. But yeah, it's as a fan, it's like, man, I, I just spent X amount of dollars to come see, you know, Deez perform. And now I got to listen to him deal with some drunk asshole, you know, four rows back because he wanted to be the loudest guy in the room. Yeah. And like half the time most of the audience can't hear the guy talking.
00:38:21
Speaker
and then I'm just responding in a microphone to one person and like nine people actually hear me or know what the conversation is. and everyone else is just kind of confused. Like it just doesn't, or like he says something and then you have to,
00:38:34
Speaker
Repeat it so everyone knows It's like a weird game of telephone also You know i don't know It's just a weird situation i remember um And again maybe it's just because I'm old But I remember a time where You know Comedians would instantly Shut ah shut shut a person down I mean I remember Years back I went and seen Greg Giraudo the Funny Bone Weird story three days before he died ah and and
00:39:06
Speaker
Yeah. All right. And we were here in Ohio and some drunk asshole for no apparent reason yelled out OH h because that's what they do here in Ohio. And so Greg went on a 45-minute tirade just destroying the Ohio State University fan base and then rolled it right back. And they're like, he's like, I'm supposed to be done now, but it's my show and there's nothing else going on and the bar is still open. so And he just rolled right back into his set, man. It was crazy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it You know, people don't really realize what they're getting into. You know, I'm always like, you know, we are professional comedians. We do this for a living. Also, like I'm the guy with the microphone.
00:39:54
Speaker
You're going to lose, you know. here' Also, it's really so the easiest thing to do is Usually everyone else is mad someone's interrupting the show like if the show is going well The audience is on your side and they like you and they want to keep hearing you talk. They don't want to hear this drunk asshole So the easiest thing to do is just literally turn the crowd on them You know like get the audience to hate him be like, you know be like wait, what'd you say? What do you guys you guys are and they'd be like in
00:40:25
Speaker
and just ask the audience, like, do you guys want to hear what this guy has to say? And they'll be like, no no, And I'll be like, are you sure? And they're like, no, fuck that guy. And I'm like like, well, if you want to, if you don't want him to talk, let him know. And they'll be like, shut the fuck up. You get the whole audience yelling. And I'm like, like, hey guys, I'm like, sorry, man. you know i really wanted to hear what you have to say, but they all think you're a piece of shit and should kill yourself. So, um,
00:40:51
Speaker
Sorry. That's the easiest way to dismantle the situation is just get the audience to do your work for you, you know? yeah is Just, yeah, just, just, and, and, and they're just a bunch of drunk assholes too. So, I mean, yeah you got a room, versus a room full of drunk assholes versus one drunk asshole.
00:41:14
Speaker
Yeah. but like yeah what like im do I'm like, listen, you should take it easy. And we're like two tiki torches away from a rally here. So you should really make some hard decisions on which way this night is going to go for you. Nice. I don't know, man.
00:41:34
Speaker
People are weird these days. Everybody, everybody... Social media has created platforms where everybody has to be the center of attention. It's wild sometimes. Yeah,
Comedy and Society: Critiques and Insights
00:41:43
Speaker
yeah. It's which's made us a bunch of sociopathic, narcissistic pieces of shit. We're all, you know, um i mean, I'm kind of hoping we just, that that World War III cracks off and we can just, we can stand to lose like 30 50% of the people um you know.
00:42:02
Speaker
i think we'd be okay. We'll be fine. We're going to be all right. We're going to be all right. It'll be fine. It'll be all right. So how how long have you been in this in this game? How long have you been doing the the comedy? 20 years.
00:42:17
Speaker
Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. twenty I started in 2006 was the first time I got on stage. And then I did – I always did stand-up, but I did a lot of – um I went into comedy writing really early and I was doing a lot of writing. I was doing a lot of sketch improv, writing on some shows, some film stuff, uh, wrote for, uh, some shows wrote for a lot of, uh, did comedy writing for like websites and stuff like that.
00:42:45
Speaker
And, um, um So I did some stand up during then, but then I did a lot of writing and other stuff for a long time. And then about, oh I think 2014, I think it was 2013 around there, I really hit so stand up real hard again.
00:43:02
Speaker
um So, um you know, I did it. kind of know you did comedy for 20 years, stand up consistently for, yeah.
00:43:15
Speaker
I mean, it's a, it's a weird trajectory I've had because you know like I was doing some standup, but doing a bunch of other stuff. Then I started doing more standup and less of the other stuff. And and yeah.
00:43:26
Speaker
Yeah. Um, What did you already you know doing the writing for so long before you got into actual stand-up?
Transition from Writing to Stand-up Comedy
00:43:34
Speaker
Did that help you at all or you know give you a little bit of a leg up? You know as being as you know, did people know who you were? Were you kind of somewhat established or No, like no, no one knew who I was. No one still knows who I am. I mean, like I literally make my I saw pay my mortgage and I nobody still knows who I am. um You know, much it's one of those things I'm like, I always try to people like are, you know, how do you make a living? yeah You're not saying that go.
00:44:04
Speaker
I got don't know. I go, I can't name everyone who plays in the, lake on the Lakers, but they're still in the NBA, you know? exactly I don't know. It's, it's ah there's some of those guys.
00:44:14
Speaker
It's still a pretty good living for, for, and hey you get to, you get to play in the NBA. yeah But no. So like the way it happened is I was, i mean I've always been a writer. That's always what I wanted to do. And I was actually in the process of writing a book that I ended up publishing in 2010. But like it was a fiction book.
00:44:38
Speaker
And while i was writing it, i was looking for paying paying gigs for writing. And I found... this comedy website that was paying. So I sent them some submissions and they hired me. And that was right around the same time i started doing standup comedy. So they really happened to like around the same time.
00:44:58
Speaker
i just, the writing aspect was more predominant for the first episode.
00:45:06
Speaker
uh years or so like about the first six years like i was doing stand-up during that time just not to the level i am now you know it wasn't as often i was doing more writing and then after a while the writing i was the stand-up was getting so successful i was starting to get a lot of bookings so i'm like i just follow i'm i've followed the money i'm a cheap whore like i said This is more money. ah There's more money there now.
00:45:33
Speaker
Got it. i'll I'll do that now. I think we're all cheap whores in one way or another. 100%. Listen, I, you know. Hey, trust me. ah you I love doing this podcasting thing and and whatnot. right Radio station happened to catch something and I was doing. They were like, hey, we're going to give you X amount of money a year. if you come and we're going to give you your our own show and a morning time slot or something like that, like,
00:46:00
Speaker
Let's go. yeah or if if Spotify was like, hey, we're going to give you one of those sweet Joe Rogan contracts. I'm quitting my job. I'm buying a freaking big-ass house in a stupid jacked-up truck. I'd be like, yep.
00:46:14
Speaker
Let's go. I'll sell out a heartbeat. yeah oh i will i will 100 uh you know hey i can still do what i'm doing and you guys aren't gonna bust my balls and you're not gonna censor me okay let's go i'll be a cia asset what do you want me to tell you want me to tell you guys we want you only tell people we really went to the moon i'll do it i don't give a shit yeah i don't give a yeah we did 100 we went to the moon i've seen the pictures i was there oh Money talks and bullshit walks, man.
00:46:42
Speaker
you As long as that check clears, you're the boss. I went to that island. It was fine. Nothing happened. Okay? You guys are crazy. I don't know why you're still talking about it. What island? but yeah what i Never heard of it. What are you talking about? doesn't exist.
00:46:59
Speaker
You said really nice decor all delivered by Wayfair. Yeah. No.
00:47:09
Speaker
fish okay Congratulations, we're whores. What was that first time on stage like you are like for you? I always ask that. Again, it's it's one of these questions I always ask, and it's just I like to get inside of the heads of people a little bit. so ah You're kind of scaring me a little bit, but I'm also oh slightly intrigued. Yeah.
00:47:34
Speaker
Here's the thing, most people, ah when you, the first time you do it, like there's no stakes. ah So you don't even know how to fail at it, right? Like you're still dumb to even fail at it. So a lot of times people will go out and actually kind of have good set the first time because they're not overthinking it. They don't even know what they're doing, you know?
00:48:00
Speaker
So it's, the there's nothing to compare it to. um And also I'm like, if I'm a fucking robot, I'm dead inside. I don't have, so like, I didn't have like nerves about it or anything like that.
00:48:15
Speaker
um But yeah people, people always ask me when I'm doing shows, like, Oh, do you get nervous for him show? Or like, Like, no. Like, do you get excited? Like, no. Like, anything? I'm like, no, it's just something I have to do before I get to go home.
00:48:31
Speaker
It's like I got to do this and then I get to go home. yeah This is like a hostage situation, actually. this is like the most cordial hostage situation. But we, yeah yeah yeah, you just don't know. You're too dumb to fail. So a lot of people end up having a pretty good set. Then they overthink it. They kind of think like, oh, I'm good at this. Then they come out a little cocky, their second set, and they fucking eat dick.
00:49:00
Speaker
They fucking, they fucking, you know, they eat dick like a George Michael Christmas party. Like it is out of, like they, it is, it is on another level. And you know, then that's usually when people quit is they realize like, Oh, this is hard. But you got power that you got to power through that. If you want to continue, but yeah,
00:49:25
Speaker
Yeah, my first time on stage was fine. It was, you know, was at a place called Pete's at the Beach. It's a little, it was little sports bar on PCH and MLK in Long Beach, California, where I'm from.
First Comedy Performance Experience
00:49:40
Speaker
I used to go and watch the open mic every week just because I like comedy. And there's this guy named Steve. I keep trying to remember his last name. It's just been so long. But i think I want to say Gillespie or something like that.
00:49:55
Speaker
but He's just this old you know comic who'd been kicking around the scene forever and ran this shitty mic at a bar on a Tuesday. and I would hang out. He'd always see me there and I would talk to him after the show and we'd buy we drink for a while after the mic and stuff.
00:50:12
Speaker
One week, he's like, you're funny. He goes, you should try this. like, yeah, you should do this. I go, okay. He goes, next week, you're going to go up and do three minutes. I go, okay. Okay.
00:50:22
Speaker
yeah And, um you know, I'd always loved standup comedy, but I just didn't know how, like, I didn't even know that that was like an option. Like I could go sign up and do like, it didn't even register to me. um So I went home and I was like looking through my notebooks. And again, I've always been a writer. I've written a ton of stuff, always writing things down, writing things down like that i thought were funny ideas or funny lines that I would, I used to have this notebook that I would,
00:50:51
Speaker
just stuff that was like funny, but I really use stuff. I was going to be like, Oh, I'll use this for a story at some point, you know, like I'll work this into a story. It'll be like a funny thing.
00:51:03
Speaker
But I realized later, like, cause i'm looking it. I'm like, Oh, I was writing jokes. You know, like I literally was just writing jokes. Um, so I used a lot of that was my, the base of my first material. And, um,
00:51:17
Speaker
You know, a lot of it went pretty well. A lot of it is stuff that I ended up working into my set and using for a long time. um i mean, there's still a joke. I say occasionally that I ah i sell a shirt. Sorry. guess
00:51:38
Speaker
One of my first jokes. How was it? that a did i said um and again i sell a shirt i still sell these shirts occasionally it's when i tell the joke so i can sell the shirts i have around but i talk about being mexican i talk about how you know people don't think i look mexican and i always say i'm like secret agent undercover mexican i'm like double o siete
00:52:04
Speaker
you know Which, what whatever, it's like not the funny, it's like it's like a funny line. It's not, you know, I've gotten in this whole bit about, you know, talking about being Mexican and stuff. So it's like a funny line in there. But I say that, I, so you know, can sell the shirts. um But that's one of the first jokes I wrote ah yeah early on. that i yeah I mean, I said that the first time ever went on stage.
00:52:28
Speaker
Nice. a Great way to sell a shirt still though, all these years later, you know, at the end of the day. work it does still work. the an a I mean, minus the last name, which I butchered, but that's okay. You know, you can, you can pass as one of us white guys. Oh man, you'd be, I wish I could share a picture with you.
00:52:49
Speaker
you should be able to. don't know if I can, let me see if I can, uh, let me see if I can hold on. Um,
00:53:01
Speaker
This is great for your listeners. They're going to love this. This is super great hot oh great. The great thing about it is sorry for the audio listeners, but you know, it's on YouTube. and then using three books so If you're listening on Spotify right now, you're like, Oh, what is this picture that he's going to show him? If he could show him, uh, I'm going to go watch on YouTube. Uh, camera, audio, um, able to present, uh, air screen.
00:53:30
Speaker
Here you go. Uh, I'm gonna share screen. Here we go. This was me at 19 years old.
00:53:43
Speaker
There you go. I'll scratch that. this now and That was 19 year old Deese fresh off of my Cholo school graduation.
00:53:55
Speaker
um so so you You look like you could be any Hispanic gangly gang member from any 90s movie from the Me and Danny, like a Danny Trejo son. ah like ah Come watch on YouTube. got your Mr. Dr. Professor Reverend.
00:54:23
Speaker
Yeah, so and you know it's funny. it's in Although, you know what's so funny? because yeah I always say it's ah when you know and In places like when I lived in Washington, people, other ethnic people could see it. They'd pick it out.
00:54:41
Speaker
yeah well White people never would. And then like when I moved here to San Antonio, everyone just speaks to me in Spanish. Yeah. I think it's just everybody speaks Spanish in Texas.
00:54:53
Speaker
Everyone speaks. you know Even the people that speak English, they just go to Spanish first when they see me because they're like, oh this guy's Mexican. i seen This guy speaks Spanish. Yeah.
00:55:03
Speaker
it's it's fun you know it's it's like it depends on where i am so yeah it's just uh you know let it it's uh it's so much safer yeah in today's award yeah this is hispanic when it benefits you white when you know on then on the other side of the coin when it benefits you to not be hispanic it's just that's right yeah yeah i mean yeah hispanic when i'm in the hood uh can uh white when i get pulled over get yeah Exactly. I always say, like, I don't look that Hispanic, but, like, if you, you know, like, ah you know, like, um'm yeah like um'm I'm, like, white people would probably let me date their daughter, you know? But also, if you saw me in front a Home Depot, you might think I was a hard worker, right? Yeah.
00:55:53
Speaker
yeah that You'd be looking at me like, what the fuck's going on? Is that one in the corner there? We're going to be able to shed today. Let's do this shit. Best and worst of both worlds. I come from a super traditional stereotypical Mexican family. My grandmother had 14 kids.
00:56:17
Speaker
oh yeah yeah she had so She actually had so many kids, she named two of them Manuel. I'm not even kidding you. She just forgot what she was naming kids at a certain point. there cost like she is like like The kids were popping out of my grandmother like a t-shirt cannon in a Spurs game. It's like a clown car. Naming a random object. She sees it. That's something that... well I would like to say that that's... um
00:56:52
Speaker
you know a Hispanic thing. or you know but you know
00:56:57
Speaker
my you know We've got grandparents in our family tree that you know that had 12, 14, 15 kids. that's that's yeah and That's where you get Billy Bob and Billy Joe Bob. and you know but yeah well it's like a It was kind of a it well i was a Catholic thing. That's for sure a Catholic. is saying Hispanic Catholics. but and Also, like ah kind of like a poor thing. you know You kind of had to have a lot of kids to work on the homestead and you're probably going to lose a couple, ah you know, to whatever measles, smallpox, bear attack. I don't know. Whatever happens.
00:57:33
Speaker
Child labor is cheap, man. that's right said You know, that's just ask Nike. Yeah, exactly. I need my Jordans for less than $200 a pair.
00:57:45
Speaker
Okay. Now I can't afford to pay people a living wage, you know? Yeah. No, that's that's why we send it overseas. Listen, Bangladesh, pull it together. I want to be able to buy $3 shirts at Walmart, you piece of shit. Yeah.
00:58:04
Speaker
ah I love how you just like, just, just kind of tiptoe the line right there. And every once in while you step right, you're like, what can I get away with? it does Like me, I've been known. Yeah. I'm a habitual line crosser myself. So um this is one thing that always kind of intrigues me. And, and, and I,
00:58:34
Speaker
Being a comedian, you always hear all the crazy stories after the show. you Do you have any like wild stories? I mean, you're like, i just want to go home. So I imagine like the shit I'm out. this Here's a wild story for you.
00:58:50
Speaker
I forgot to take my socks off or something. But do you have any stories from the road or shit that's on the road? Yeah, yeah, I certainly had my my time. I mean, after 20 years, you have some some things happen. Do we have somebody allegedly out there for any of these stories?
Adventures and Racism on a Fan Boat
00:59:10
Speaker
think statutes of limitations have probably passed on most of them. I'm looking around for you.
00:59:19
Speaker
Craziest thing that happened one time. is I was in Florida. um And Florida's, i don't know if you guys have ever been to Florida, but it's a beautiful place minus the people. um We call it Florida around here. The this the the land the landscape, the the the land, beautiful. The people, a fucking nightmare. um and The people of Walmart, 24-7. Oh, my God. So I...
00:59:47
Speaker
if it's I do this show at this club in Naples, Florida. and this guy after the show, he was like, hey, you're really funny. he goes, what are you doing tomorrow? You want to go on a fan boat in the ah go in the Everglades and go gator hunting, you know, during the day tomorrow. And I'm like, oh, fucking yeah, that sounds great. Right. yeah That sounds awesome.
01:00:09
Speaker
So we're we're out there next day. We're flying through the swamp. Like these things are crazy. You know, you're deep swamp. There's no land anywhere to be seen. Like literally there's there's alligators everywhere. i mean, they they're literally like biting the boat as you're going through the water. You know, like at one point we're sitting there and it's basically like,
01:00:29
Speaker
ah the the the the deck of the boat is open and it's basically like level with the water almost. You've only got a little bit of room. And then there's the big fan on the back.
01:00:41
Speaker
it's you know it's just It's just like a fucking... you know It's like just like a white trash surfboard. It's fucking nuts. It's like this jet-powered surfboard thing that with with with deadly dinosaurs around you. It's crazy. And there's this...
01:00:56
Speaker
and there's this He's showing us this crocodile. He's like, this is the biggest one out here. It's like 23 feet long. This thing's huge, right? And I go, holy shit. I go, hey, can those things get up here? He goes, oh, yeah.
01:01:11
Speaker
Yeah, it'll hurt you. He goes, that thing would be up here before you know it. It'd move in a flash, man. they took one Last week, that guy took somebody's arm off. And I'm like, what the fuck are do what are you we doing?
01:01:23
Speaker
What are you doing? So we're cruising around and stuff, you know going all over the place. Hey, so we leave you alone. leave mal alone We're going all over the place. And all of a sudden this guy goes to a stop and he just stops and he looks at me and he goes, Hey, y'all don't like the blacks, right?
01:01:46
Speaker
And I go, and I go, ah whoa, whoa. like I just, my, so like, this all had, I process all this in like a millisecond. I'm like, this, these thoughts went through my head lightning fast. I go, I'm on his boat.
01:02:05
Speaker
Middle of nowhere. Deadly reptiles surrounding the boat. No one knows I'm out here with this guy. He knows I'm Mexican. And I'm like, I'm thinking this could like this be this can all go sideways very quickly.
01:02:19
Speaker
And like literally that all went through my head in a split second. And this is what came out of my mouth. I go, well, I'm pretty sure OJ did it. That's for sure. But beyond that, man, I don't really...
01:02:30
Speaker
so yeah yeah ah This guy just, ye he stops and he looks me and he goes, ah, you're funny, man. Come on, let's go. And we just keep going. go ahead Holy shit. What happened here? Oh, my God.
01:02:50
Speaker
happen here oh good Oh, man. That's, yeah, that's, that's, so no more fan boats in Florida. they but No, no more fan boats in Florida. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and it was the rest of the trip. The guy just kept like, you know, was like dropping N bombs, being racist the rest of the time. And my head, I'm thinking like, dee Jesus Christ, decent. Like how much racism are you willing to put up with just to go on a fan boat ride? You know? Yeah. It out quite a bit. It turns out quite a bit. Those things are awesome. They're a good time, guys. I suggest it. It is worth it if you can go.
01:03:26
Speaker
They are a lot of fun. i've I've been fortunate to get on one, not in Florida. I was in South Carolina. i used to live down there. I had a friend that it was like, basically you know he's like, you ever been on a fan boat? I said, from fucking Ohio.
01:03:40
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No, you're like, yeah, let's go. They are a lot of fun. I didn't have any fear of, you know, anything negative happening. i yeah You know, but you know um but yeah, they are a lot of fun. They are a lot of fun. and it's it's It's hard to turn down that a free fan boat. yeah Yeah, I didn't know what I was getting into, but now I know.
01:04:02
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Lesson learned in Florida. Yeah. Lesson learned in Florida. That's for sure. oh It's like one of the most Florida of stories. like aye you You could have been like – could have said any other state, and it might not have been as believable. But the fact that you said Florida, I have no doubt in my mind. yeah and that is like verbatim how it went down too. I mean it was just a crazy – it was nuts. Yeah. Just out of the blue. it's just it's like Oh, okay.
01:04:37
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it just Well, these are questions that you're going ask me before we got on the boat. you gotta to I got to know you know, what size hood do you wear before we get on this boat? Good Lord, man. That's awesome. Yeah.
01:04:52
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good lord that's awesome but That's fucking awesome. but you i was I was looking at some of your stuff on YouTube. You you are funny as fuck. and I'll give you you know i'll tell you that.
01:05:07
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um I was at work today and I was i was with the contractor and I just had YouTube on. I was watching some of the reels and just walking through the hallway with this contractor. He was not fun to talk to. I was like, I'm just going to listen to Decent. I would just start cracking up every while. He was like, what?
01:05:26
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what man and what's what's so funny now you want to talk to me i i tried to talk to you for 20 minutes you're looking for now i'm done now we're done talking we're not friends but no you i i i dig some of your your jokes and some of the stories and stuff that you were telling it had me cracking up um but i also noticed you know going through and and i don't i i liked how you said you know you don't write stuff because I suck at prep. I can't write stuff down. Everything just kind of flies off the top of my head.
01:05:58
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um I do enough research for guests, you know, so I'm not looking like a complete asshole. Sometimes I ask questions that i already know the answers to. But that's not for my benefit. It's for the audience's benefit.
01:06:10
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yeah um But yeah I noticed that you're you're also kind of, ah you know, and you brought it up with your writing. You're kind of a dual threat. Not only are you funny as hell, but you're super talented in the writing world. Thank Yeah, yeah, yeah. in you in your I don't know you well enough to call you a full-fledged comic book nerd, but you seem like you're into the comics and stuff.
01:06:29
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Well, I'm going to tell you that I am sitting in a room that has about 150 long boxes full of comic books in
Comic Book Passion and Inferno Comics
01:06:36
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it. So, i yeah, i am a comic book nerd. Nice. Well, you're a comic. Okay, now I don't feel so bad. Okay.
01:06:45
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You know, i'm um ah um um I'm a bit of a comic book nerd myself, but, you know, it's funny. I'll get into conversations with people sometimes, and we'll start talking about stuff, and then they'll get offended because I say, oh, you're a comic book nerd.
01:06:58
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Or, oh, you're a nerd. Oh, no, I'm not. Yeah, yeah. It's the N-word, you know? You can't use the N-word, man. It's, you know... Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things where it's like, it's not a... It's a pejorative if you're a fucking pussy. Jesus Christ. Like, it's just a word. You know, it's like...
01:07:19
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yeah I mean, that we this is going to circle back to what we started this conversation with, but but it's just a word. you know Words are like, it's just a sound we make to convey an idea. that's all and it's it's an a it's like an agreed upon sound. We've all decided that sound means this thing, you know? um And, you know, nerd isn't isn't a pejorative unless you want it to be. And if you're that sensitive about it, like, i don't know, man, fucking, what do you want me to, i don't know what to tell you. the it's It's really, yeah, I mean, you can nerd for a lot of things. You can be a nerd for the NBA. You know, you can be a nerd for the WNBA. Just kidding. one watches that shit. No one watches that shit.
01:08:03
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Not the WNBA. That'd be crazy. yeah But, you know, you can be a nerd for all sorts. It's just like a it just means you really like that thing. You're excited about it. You're you're into it. You're fan. it's ah It's another way to say fan, you know. Yeah, exactly.
01:08:20
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100%. So a yeah and that brings me to the you got your um Forged in Fire. is Is that your comic book company?
01:08:31
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or you it's Inferno is the name of the company. Forge Inferno is just the yeah the kind of the the slogan. Inferno Comics is my my company.
01:08:43
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Nice. Are you, and and again, are you doing your own series? Got your own series coming up? Yeah, I've got a comic book series out called Kill Stan. Issue number four is about to release. um And then I've got a couple other books I'm working on and an anthology series and also i'm working with some other creators to help them get their books published too. So, Hell yeah. um If you don't mind, I got you here for the comedy, but as I was going through social media and I seen this, I was like, okay, so this has piqued my interest as well. What the Kill Stand series around? What's the premise behind that? Suicide Vigilantism.
01:09:25
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killsand series around what's that what's what's the kind of the premise behind that ah really suicide by vigilantism It's a story about a guy who wants to end his own life. So he decides to do it through vigilantism.
01:09:41
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um So it's a new noir crime thriller on the surface, but really it's like a character piece about one man's journey of loss and trauma and the crazy things we do when we feel like we have nothing left to live for.
01:09:55
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oh yeah So it's not a comedy. Sorry, guys. Hard turn. ah I thought we were talking comedy here. Shit. I mean, he doesn't want to kill himself like the most comedians, so that's something.
01:10:09
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ah and no So, yeah, yeah, that's it's that's the book. It's it's a 10 issue series. We're about to release number four.
01:10:20
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um And yeah, it's been it's been awesome. You know, it's got great reception. We've sold a ton of copies. I'm in some comic book shops around the country and start them trying to trying to grow it.
01:10:34
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oh yeah no you definitely you definitely picked my interest it sounds like it'd be a a good read you know kind of a uh one of those uh that would definitely like grab a hold of you and you'd get sucked in pretty quick and you know anxiously awaiting the next issue i remember i was having that conversation with my son a few years back he was kind of getting into comics a little bit and i said man i remember having to wait for you get You get so sucked into a a storyline or whatever, and then you'd have to wait.
01:11:07
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And now, like, you literally have everything at your fingertips, man. But it definitely sounds like a storyline that would have you on the edge of your seat, like, waiting for the next issue i might have to check it out yeah you can uh our website is inferno.earth there's no.com.earth is the a domain uh people information on it it also has a shop on there you can order all the past issues um directly from us and then the it does have links to our kickstarter we're running a kickstarter for number four
01:11:43
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which will be releasing soon. So if you follow the Kickstarter too, that helps us a lot. Even if you don't, you know, um, support it, just giving a follow on the Kickstarter helps us a lot with launch.
01:11:55
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And then inferno.earth is the Instagram page also. Uh, that's where I'm most active. I post stuff every day and, uh, Not just stuff about the book. I do like other comic book content, reviews of books, past stuff, talking about comic stuff, things I love. Just any, I'd say comic book page. I love comic books. So I talk about a lot, a lot of different things.
01:12:17
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They're just all over the damn place. Yeah, man. I stay busy. I stay busy. yeah Luckily, it's all things I love. But yeah, I mean, the comic book is really honestly, that's if I my whole life, if you had asked me what what I really want to it would have been create comic books. So to finally get to that bucket list item in the last year has been really amazing. And to be able for it to be ah and I say successful in the confines of an indie comic book that has had zero promotion besides what I've done for it. You know, we have distribution or promotion. We're just whatever I'm doing. I am the company. So whatever I'm doing for it is what, where it's getting. But, you know, we've sold, i you know, I'm probably,
01:13:07
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ah I don't know, a probably 4,000 copies of number one. We're probably somewhere close to 3,000 copies of number two. And probably, you know, number three just got released like two months ago. And we're probably, ah ah you know, 2,500 copies into that so far. So, I mean, it's it's selling.
01:13:30
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well um and growing. I was going to say that. Like you said, it's not really promoted outside of what you do for it. There's no distribution. There's no...
01:13:43
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you know like um like a mass ad, you know, campaign or anything like that, you know, that that's pretty impressive to, you know, get that as many copies out there. And, and it's one of those things, you know, with anything in in entertainment, you know, whether you're doing comedy or podcasting or comic books or, you know, whatever if you get it in 10 hands and those 10 people really enjoy it. And they each tell 10 people if,
01:14:13
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Only two or three like them, but those two or three people tell 10 more people, you know, that's kind of, you know, you let that organic growth happen. it takes It takes a little while, but it's authentic and it's genuine and it's a real growth. You know, it just depends on how patient you are with it at the end of the day. Yeah. I mean, that's really it. Like, you know, sometimes it doesn't feel, you know, we're all impatient. It doesn't feel like it's, sometimes I feel like nothing's happening. And then I have to look back on a long enough timeline and be like, oh no, like a lot.
01:14:43
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has happened. You know, I know guys have done more issues than I have and, you know, are barely doing anything or guys like, you know, don't you know, people most indie books aren't coming out every three months like I am either, though most are coming out once a year at best.
01:15:03
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So then the my goal was to like really push them out there quickly. my the first year, last year, I hit, I think I did 36 weekend conventions across the country. So to get it into as many hands as possible. So I invested that way. I invest in a really high quality paper stock cover stock. So it really stands out against other books as far as like the quality of it, the printing. i mean, everything I really wanted to it to be nicer than a most books, any book, Really, I mean, it's nicer than any mainstream book you'll find out there, printing but quality wise.
01:15:43
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um you You know, started hitting shops, offering it to shops, find its way to get it on shelves. And, you know, a lot of shops have been very receptive and the shops who pick it up, sell it.
01:15:54
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they you know I mean, I've got people subscribed to my book at comic book shops. They got it on yeah and their pull list, you know, where they're like, yeah. And then, you know, they turn they told like, it's an indie book. It comes out every couple of months. We just really have a regular release date. They're like we don't care when the next one comes out, pull it for us. So, Yeah. Oh yeah.
01:16:12
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And you know, I got, it's every week, uh, orders come through on my shop and my website, you know, that I'm shipping out where I'm like, i don't know, is this someone who bought the book before and now is buying the next one or maybe never from, you know, is this is all new? And, um, yeah. So, I mean, it's, it's growing.
01:16:31
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damn That's, I mean, that's, that's, that's awesome. Uh, you know, for somebody who, you know, again, a fan over here that enjoys, you know, good comics and, i think I think as I've gotten older, I've kind of grown out of the, the you know, i I love all the new movies and everything that are coming out, but I've grown out of, you know, going and buying them and reading them and waiting for the next issue and all that stuff. um But to be able to find, i remember like way back when, when The Walking Dead first came out, even before it was a television show and happened to stumble across that series. was like, I think that was the last,
01:17:06
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big series that I got excited for that I couldn't wait for the next book to come out. And then the show came out i was like, well, the show just shot everything to fucking hell.
01:17:16
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That character didn't survive page three. What the fuck? It was way different. Yeah. I mean, I'm still a Wednesday warrior, man. I still go get new books every week.
01:17:27
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You know, it's, it's changed what I read and how often and stuff, but there's, I'm picking up something every week. and There's always something new I'm i'm getting. the There's some really awesome books still coming out. um The Absolute Line from DC has just been amazing. um There's just been some cool stuff. And, you know, it's good inspiration. And I just love the medium so much. so um But, I mean, I read a lot of indie stuff too. You
Challenges and Richness of Indie Comics
01:17:55
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know, I think there's just such great stuff in the indie scene. And then, yeah, man, I mean, I've got – this is the book I'm working on now. I got another book I'm working on that's coming up. that
01:18:06
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to be determined when I release, when this comes out, it kind of you know, it's just time and finances to, to, for right timing to make it work. But, um, I mean, I've got, this is not hyperbole when I say this, but I've got hundreds, if not into the thousands of comic book scripts I've written.
01:18:24
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Um, so, I mean, I've got, I've got hundreds of series that are ready to go. um it's just the time and finances to make it happen. So, um, no lack of, uh, uh, of product it's just you know making it happen so you know that seems to be one of those big hang-ups time and money and and money you know usually be part of the two big hang-ups for anything you want to do you know as far as like growth and expansion or you know whatever you want to do um
01:18:56
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You got to get you selling out stadiums here, man. You got to get you out of the breweries and into... You know, it's like... you get i mean, I do... There's all different types of shows. you do like Those are like weekday shows, you know, when you're like... ah You know, like ah Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday type shows. And then, you know, the weekends of the bigger shows. But, you know, you can pick up pretty good money on the weekdays doing these ah indie shows when clubs don't have anything going on. But...
01:19:24
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Yeah, yeah, man. Time and money, that's the name of the game. It's like, ah you know, because I mean, every issue I produce before I even send it to print, I'm about 3,500 bucks into it, you know?
01:19:36
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Wow. So, and then then I got to pay for printing. So, yeah, it's like, ah yeah. that's all you're try to kick and now you know That's why we try to, you know, recoup with with pre-orders on the Kickstarter and stuff like that.
01:19:52
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and and it's And it's something that I've noticed, even you know, even as I was younger and and now that I've gotten older and every once in while, we've got a couple of cool shops here in town. I'll pop into the comic book shops just to, you know, it's kind of a nostalgia thing and pop in and see what's out there.
01:20:09
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um But they really do push the indie guys and and in some of these stores, especially like the small local stores, the one we have, as soon as you walk in, you're blasted with multiple indie writers and artists and stuff like that.
01:20:24
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I think that's great when you support your local or your independent scene like that. oh It's just where the industry is headed. you know i mean People are tired of what Marvel's doing. DC was on the brink of destruction and kind of came back in the last 18 months. They really swung it back around with this absolute stuff. but i mean People were just they want real stories and also your average comic book reader is like me and you, you know, like guys in their late thirties, early forties, mid forties. Like that's your average comic book reader. So, you know, as much as they grew, we grew up on X-Men eventually. Yeah.
01:21:05
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yeah I might still buy it out of like habit, but also I'm really re I'm looking for a different type of story. You know, I'm, I'm, You kind of outgrow it. you know and that's that's where you know It's kind of nice to see every once in a great while or every so often you know you see Marvel or DC get a little darker.
01:21:24
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Get a little edgier. Because you kind of outgrow. you know You want a more mature, more grown-up. you know like yeah I'm reading comic books, but check out this storyline.
01:21:38
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Which just sounds like exactly what you're doing with Kill Stand. You're bringing that. more mature, more grown up, very dark, very edgy, so you know, story to it. So,
01:21:50
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Well, it's with ah with a purpose. There is a deep story and purpose being told. There is a lot of subtext, a lot of iconography. I mean, really, every there's a lot of thought put in every aspect of it. So, um you know, it's about trauma. It's about ah mental illness. It's about depression. It's about just the weight of life and what that means for everyone in their own personal life you know it's different for everyone um so yeah it's part of why you know i've started taking some submissions for stuff i want to help people publish and that's the hardest part has been letting people know like what are you looking for i'm like well i'll know when i see it like i'm not it's got to be i want i want stuff from a unique voice a unique perspective and i want something with a purpose
01:22:41
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Like, I want your story to have a meaning. Like, tell they tell me, like, don't tell me what it's about. Tell me why you wrote it. the You know, like, why is this important to you? Why did you write this? And that's going to tell me a lot more about the story, you know, than anything. the I think there's so much more there because like this book,
01:23:03
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Kill Stan um was actually, i actually wrote this because in twenty January of 2020, my best friend, another comedian took his own life. And now that then we rolled into COVID.
01:23:20
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uh after that where you know just kind of like locked down and watching everyone's lives crumble and stuff like that and i'm just like man it really just i you know all these things were happening and all the stuff was swimming in my head and i really started getting thinking about like well what if you really had nothing to live for how crazy could it get what's the you know uh and these ideas started percolating and then this kind of this thing came about and then this was what this was what came out of it so you know there's there's uh deeper purpose and meaning behind a lot of things people write. And now i want to know that. i don't want to, you know, if you just write like a fluff piece, a superhero thing, like that's fine. I'm not saying don't do that, but like, and there's not, there is room for that. That's just not, that's just not what I'm i'm trying to do right now.
01:24:06
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Mm-hmm. And, you know, with the concept, like you said, that is a, this is a hell of a way to just decide, like, you know what? I have absolutely nothing to live for. I'm going to unalive myself, but I'm going to do it this way.
01:24:18
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Yeah. a um It's a wild concept to kind of wrap your head around. and Yeah. The, I mean, I was listening to, i was like, well, I was reading this news article and I, the phrase suicide by cop was used. And then, um,
01:24:37
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it immediately made me think suicide by vigilantism. And I was, i don't know why, but that phrase popped into my head and I'm like, oh, that's interesting. And so I did some research and like, has anyone ever done a story like this? Is this like a thing that's in, you know, it hasn't been used. So like, well, this is a very original idea. i need to pursue this. And it just kind of, I mean, it just poured out of me from there. It all happened very quickly as far as the story and what I wanted to tell and how and everything.
01:25:03
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ba dig it. I dig it. It sounds like writing for you comes very easily, very naturally. Is that, or do you ever reach, I'm sure as a writer, you know, no matter what you do you you always reach that moment. Like you kind of hit a wall, but it seems like for you, it comes pretty, pretty natural, pretty easy. Yeah. I will say that like, I never hit a wall with writing. I sometimes hit a wall with writing the thing I'm currently working on.
01:25:31
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yeah um, you know Sometimes you'll sit in front of me. I'll sit in my computer and I'll write a paragraph in four hours. you know But then the next hour I write five pages because like you've you've got past that that part. um But sometimes i just my mind wants to work on something else. you know Sometimes my mind is focused on a different writing thing. and I can still write, it's just not necessarily always that thing right in front of me. Luckily I've got
01:26:03
Speaker
room to maneuver with that. you know I'm not stuck having to do one thing. But no, man, I mean, I've always wanted to be a writer. i've always been creative. I mean, ideas come to me faster that I can get them down, especially with stuff like this kind of fiction ah stuff. So the yeah like I said, literally, if I could dump tomorrow every book ive I had, if I could if prove they were all in existence,
01:26:31
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there'd be 800 books on the market tomorrow. I mean, it's crazy. It's that ADHD brain. yeah That's what I tell everybody. Like one side of my brain is just super chill, just kind of hanging out, and the other side's a complete lunatic.
01:26:48
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It's going 900 miles an hour in 400 different directions all day, every day. ah Part of it is I'm just like – I'm really interested in things. And I know sounds vague, but like, you know, ah like ah the like police, when they go down, they go down and get dogs from the pound or to to train as police dogs, right?
01:27:12
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And most people think, oh, you're going to get like a German Shepherd or bel Belgian Malinois. know, that's what you got. And they're like, no, no. Like i had a friend of mine who was in the sheriff's department. I asked about it and he goes, like what kind of dogs do you get? He goes, we look for dogs that are interested.
01:27:26
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And if they're interested, they're easy to, they're, they're like, they're just interested in life and things, you know, so that you can, you can point that at something and it's easy to like, to contain, right. To, to direct.
01:27:39
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um And I'm just interested in things that are interesting. So like, I will, I will do things. I was listening to a podcast about the crusades one time and,
01:27:53
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and it There was one line that the guy said that made me think about would be a really cool idea for a story. And then I wrote a 35 issue comic book series about the Crusades.
01:28:09
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like it's like that's or you know i i will I was really into and like samurai stuff for a while. i wrote a book about it i wrote this book about bushhito because it just it was like interesting so You know, sometimes it's like, I don't even know I'm interested in a thing and it'll hit me and I'll be like, oh, that's a really, that's a, that's a good idea. And like, I have to pursue idea, you know? So.
01:28:39
Speaker
yeah i get that a hundred percent. Yeah. Why? My girlfriend's always amazed because I just have all this useless knowledge about things in my head because I have you call it Curiosity call it whatever you want to call it. But yeah ah Like you said podcast or you know something real quick on the radio or as I'm passing the TV and something's on it catches my attention and I'm like, oh I'm curious to know about that and then I go and do a little you know education on it, and then then for whatever reason, it's just stored in my brain, and at random times, she'll say something, or somebody will say something, and that triggers that that memory. I'm like, oh, yeah, so about that, you know, this just just yeah what like what is wrong you?
01:29:26
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I don't know. This is a bunch of useless facts in my head. You know, um, you also said, you know, we were talking earlier.
01:29:38
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you also said that you do, you do podcasting as well. Yep. Um, what do you What do you do on your on your on your show?
Podcast Evolution and Guest Diversity
01:29:47
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I do a weekly podcast called The Social Hour. new episodes most Wednesdays. You can find it on DeesComedy.com or wherever finer podcasts are sold, Spotify, e etc.
01:29:58
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um I say most Wednesdays because it was every Wednesday for a while. Then during the pandemic, it was Tuesdays and Thursdays. And I went back to Wednesdays, but also I travel a lot. So but sometimes I just don't have time to do an episode or sometimes if I don't have a guest I want to talk to, you I just, I don't do an episode or sometimes I do solo ones, but yeah. um I mean, I've been doing the show since 2014. So I'm doing a long, I got in early. I've got about 500 and some episodes of the show.
01:30:29
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ah And it's it's evolved over the years. So it started out as kind of more of like a, like a like a morning radio type show, you know, type thing like it was I was a host. I had a producer. I had a news anchor girl. We did bits and in segments and games. I had a guest every episode.
01:30:49
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um But I had a sound studio at my house, too, where I lived in Washington. So that was pretty easy to do. When I moved to Texas, I wasn't able to set up my sound system where I was because um of Honestly, because of air conditioning. um the Air conditioning unit and all the rooms in the house were so loud you would pick up on the mics. And if you didn't have the AC on, yourre you're going to die.
01:31:18
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and So I haven't been able to do that again, although I'm i'm planning to soon. i I'm looking at a space to where I can kind of bring back that show.
01:31:28
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But during COVID, COVID kind of took that away anyway, and I started doing one-on-ones virtually. But it's just a common talk show with a comedy slant, you know, um probably a little less comedy now than it used to be when we were, you know, when I had the whole crew on the show. We do crazy things, you know, like we'd all eat mushrooms and then record a show. So I think that was that nice. One of my favorite episodes of all time. was a really good time. the I need to do that. i used to know I used to know. I still know the guy. We just don't associate with either each other anymore. That used to be on this network that would dabble in those things. it shop but it's it's I'm sober besides mushrooms. Everything else I don't mess i don't do anymore, but i about once a month I'm going to have a little my little adventure. um so
01:32:21
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the ah But I mean, I do everything. I talk i just talk to people I want to talk to. So like, you know, like I've talked to, I've interviewed presidential candidates. i've interviewed I've interviewed Kevin Eastman who created the Ninja Turtle, co-created the Ninja Turtle. Like, you know, like Fabian Nicieza who co-created Deadpool. Like I've created interviewed people like that um to just like,
01:32:49
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i interviewed a guy who was like an animal handler. Cause I wanted to talk to so new deals. Like it was like it worked at a zoo or something like that sounded fun to me. You know, like i interviewed a guy who used to work at McDonald's cause I want to know all the secrets, like dirty secrets, about you know? Like, um, so it's really kind of, it's just what interests me. You know, um, if, if someone has an interesting story or someone, uh, has something talk about that I like, I will, I'll talk to them. Um, um,
01:33:17
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And if they don't, I, you know, I don't do that. I just don't do a show because I don't want to. i mean, I've done shows where I regret it. I'm like, this is boring. I didn't want to talk to this person i didn't know how to interview. Like, there's nothing i can really get out of this person. um So I don't do that anymore. I'd rather just skip a week than, um,
01:33:38
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or do a solo episode. ah You know, I kind of, like I said earlier, i kind of got sucked into the political realm. So it's a lot of like topical current events stuff. And then um ah when I do solo stuff, but yeah, I try and keep it light otherwise have guests on and yeah.
01:33:58
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Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I dig and and it. And it can be it can be very time-consuming, even doing one. and And I say that as a guy who does several different shows a week. it's it's ah it' so It can become a full-time job when you're trying to book guests and line people up and get people where they need to be and and everything like that. and then you have your normal day-to-day life, which...
01:34:20
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you know You sound like you're you stay pretty busy as it is. so Yeah, it I mean, it just is. the the The biggest thing is just finding people I want to talk to now. Like, that's the hardest part. um the What the hell?
01:34:37
Speaker
Sorry, my phone's running here. um Yeah, the biggest part is just finding people I want to talk to now. Before, I just – it was easy. you know with the With the city I lived in, there were always – i you know i i worked at this comedy club, so like it was easy to get comedians, like a new comedian traveling through every week or something like that.
01:34:58
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Or I knew a bunch of musicians, or I knew all the local politicians, or I knew local artists. And it was just easy to get someone in studio with the crew. And you know we would BS, and then we'd we bring the the guest in for the second half of the show, interview them a little, then do some segments, do the news. And it was fun and easy. And, you know, now it's like, I don't know, it's it's I have a hard time finding people that I want to talk to. And like i you know, I don't have that access one on one. And there's a lot of podcast groups on Facebook, but most of them are worthless. A lot of bots, man. It's it's hard to find, a ah you know, a halfway decent, legit one anymore.
01:35:41
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, it's all most of them are just like, I'll put out a thing like, hey, I'm looking for guests and I get a million ladies who were like, I'm a life coach. And I'm like, oh, no, thanks. Can we talk? ah I'm looking for people with a real job.
01:35:58
Speaker
that or you know when you put a post on it and you know i when i started to do this show i was like i'm gonna find some comedy facebook pages and and with with comedians and whatnot i'm gonna join them and i'm just gonna throw a post out there and i already know what's gonna happen i was actually really shocked and surprised with the response that i got um but yeah you get a lot of the uh you know that or uh Ali Akbar Assure is like, I can promote your podcast for you and get 100,000 views and 50,000 new followers. It only costs you $1,500 week. you're losing money not to, sign me up for two. ah
01:36:41
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Hey, Shaman Luther King, I would interview a homeless person, but usually they have a bad Wi-Fi connection. Otherwise, I would.
01:36:53
Speaker
I actually thought about that, but I'm like, I'm not inviting you to my house. I want you to know where I live. Yeah, I'm going to roll down. well You're going to walk to my car. going to roll down my window this much, and I will talk into this microphone.
01:37:10
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I think that's interesting, but yeah, it's just logistics on that one is a little... okay it just just Just do ah on location. Just take your equipment you know down to the the the the the camping site where all the homeless people are, and I'm sure nothing bad will happen to you down here. Yeah, I'll get on the skid row in LA and be like, ah pardon me, in between the fentanyl use and sex trafficking, can you tell me your favorite part about...
01:37:38
Speaker
being uh unhoused or whatever pc bullshit term you take yeah go to the their house no it's uh it is uh you know ah doing i would love to have the uh the setup and and be able to get the the local you know musicians or comedians or whatever and and have them come in in person um But and thank God for the interwebs where I can connect with people you know virtually and and and do stuff like this. Because, um again, my studio is literally in my bedroom. I don't dont think my girlfriend would be happy if I had a rock band in here doing a live show. today Yeah. yeah yeah and Hopefully, I'm looking at some spaces, hopefully, that I can make it work.
01:38:33
Speaker
And then I'll try to get back to bringing people in and having more regular crew and in kind of bringing back what I used to do. Cause it was a lot of fun. I mean, I, like man, i we just, we had a lot of fun and I want to, I want to get back to that.
01:38:48
Speaker
Not that the new, a newer version isn't fun. It's just different. Yes. It's just different from what you're used to. And it's, you know, you you find your style that you like and you find that style that you're comfortable with.
01:38:59
Speaker
Yeah. And it's hard to kind of, deviate away from it. I'm a creature of routine. I like my, you know, I like things a certain way. And, you know, so, but, um, with the comedy and the comics and hopefully the, the, you know, bringing back the show and everything.
01:39:16
Speaker
Um, I always give my guests an opportunity to just whatever you want to promote, whatever you want to throw out there. okay. Let's been dropping, uh, links and stuff like that. Uh, any upcoming shows or, I know you said you, you, you like to travel or you do a lot of traveling.
01:39:30
Speaker
Um, you want to throw out there and promote and let people know where you're going to be at or where they can find your stuff or anything? Yeah. Let's talk comedy first. So let's see comedy. I will be this Monday. I'll be at the riot comedy club in San Antonio, Texas.
01:39:47
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Then Saturday I'll be at upstage comedy lounge in San Antonio, Texas. And the following Thursday, again, at the upstage comedy lounge in San Antonio, Texas, got some local shows coming up.
01:39:57
Speaker
ah Then I will be doing two shows in Del Rio, Texas on Saturday the 9th. um Then let's see. I've got some stuff in... In June, I'll be in Bandera, Texas. We're bringing my show back to ban Bandera Brewery. That's a quarterly show. That's a fun show if you live out there.
01:40:22
Speaker
You probably don't if you're listening to this show. But... And if do, buy your tickets early because that show always sells out and it always sells out quickly. It seats 120 people and that there's not a fucking empty seat in the house.
01:40:38
Speaker
So go buy ticket. If you want to go to that show you got to buy early. Then I'll be back in Washington State. Mid-June. Just go to my website, DeceComedy.com and check out ah the dates. We post everything there on my Instagram, Dece.comedy.
01:40:57
Speaker
um I do also have a special out called Not Your Cup of Tea. We have a link on my website, DeceComedy.com. It's the Not Your Cup of Tea link. If you click that link,
01:41:09
Speaker
It's all pay what you want so you can pay whatever you want. You decide and we will send you the full 4K download video special um for you to keep forever and live, watch and love and whatever. it You can pay whatever you want. Most people pay like five, 10 bucks. You can even pay a dollar. It's a dick move, but you'll still get it And the Social Hour with Dees Casillas, new episodes most Wednesdays. That's the comedy stuff. And then as for the comic book,
01:41:45
Speaker
websites, Inferno.Earth, the Instagram's Inferno.Earth, the TikTok's Inferno.Earth, although I haven't posted anything yet there. I'm not sure I'm going to, but I started one because a guy made me. um and the Instagram's where I'm most active. That's where follow us there, find us. Give us a follow. Even if you don't like comic books, we're just trying to build a follow in there, so that helps a lot.
01:42:08
Speaker
um number four of Killstands coming out now. You can buy all the back issues on the website inferno.earth and also follow our Kickstarter or just say notify me when love launch is the best thing to do.
01:42:28
Speaker
And then it just sends you an email when the thing launches. You don't have to support it when it comes out. But the more people we have watching it, when it launches, the higher it goes up in the algorithm, more eyes get on it. It just helps us get funded faster and all that. And... i
01:42:51
Speaker
I'm going to drink more water. take you so Drink more water.
Social Media's Role in Entertainment
01:42:55
Speaker
No, um, and real quick, because you you said about the tick tock, um, social media, it is a necessary evil for anybody who's doing any kind of entertainment, uh, or, or not want to get themselves out there and, uh, how, uh,
01:43:14
Speaker
Love it or hate it? I fucking hate it. I fucking hate every... i hate myself every time I'm on there. i hate everyone who's on there. I hate everything about it. it's It's gross. It's terrible. Nothing good comes of it. The... I...
01:43:32
Speaker
the he i But also thank you all for following me and please keep following me and please support me. You know, like, comment, share. You're all wonderful. um No, it's it's it's terrible. It's going to be the death of us. It's killed our society. It's killed our ability to interact. And we know we're all brain dead, fucking brainwashed shit now. um But it is a necessary evil. you know um
01:44:03
Speaker
i can't wait until I can afford to pay someone to run it for me so I don't have to. I can never more ever have to be back on there. Yeah.
01:44:15
Speaker
that's one of the next goals is to, uh, and here's the deal. Like I'll create the content still. Then I give it to you. You do it all. I don't want to log on. I don't want to hit send. I don't want to, you know, um,
01:44:31
Speaker
the only thing I will miss is on the comic book page. I get, I get fun engagement with some, some yeah followers. That's, that's cool. Uh, but otherwise like, I just don't want to, I don't want to do it, but you have to, you know, um, that's part of the problem in,
01:44:50
Speaker
both these things I do, you know, it's like you get in it to do comedy, but then you also have to be your own manager and booking agent, travel agent, and you have to be your own content creator and social media manager. And, you know, it's like, it just, it's, it's crazy. I always tell people I have zero jobs, but I also have 800 jobs.
01:45:14
Speaker
yeah It's the weirdest thing. It's the weirdest thing. Yeah, no, it's wild. I would love to offer anybody that would like an unpaid internship to run our social media here on the Nonsensical Network. Yeah, I mean, i really... it's It honestly is the ah the next thing I want to be able to... if The first thing I'm going do if I... you know If if like someone gives me a deal for Killstan or something, it's like I'm going to...
01:45:45
Speaker
pay someone to manage my social media is my investment. I, yeah, I, I'm with you. I can't, I, and I'm so bad at it too, because it's like, Oh, I forgot to post this. Oh, I want to, I got to get clips, but and it's like, Oh, well I've got,
01:46:06
Speaker
five more shows this week, you know, plus a real job and you find the time. you want to You got to get post a clip, but you also have to post it in the right format. and Now they want it. Whereas like the really good ones that perform have tracking where they're moving that's be the right ratio. But also you need to add, uh uh closed captions and then also you have to have the right caption you you add underneath and you have to post the right time and you have to do it for the same at the same time every day for x amount of days for tithia like fuck dude i just want to fucking you know i just want stake in a blow job and not All I did, I just wanted to do comedy so I could have one lady touch my wiener one time. And then now I have to like you know post a clip from this shitty show in Butte, Montana and be like, this is funny, right? Do you guys like me? It's a terrible life. Yeah.
01:47:06
Speaker
it's a terrible life ah it sucks This is the worst. Why am I doing press it every day? do.
01:47:17
Speaker
i really it um I do. I do want to, I do want to say thank you for coming on here, man. I greatly appreciate it. I think you're fucking hilarious. um So, you know, best of luck.
01:47:29
Speaker
And hopefully, you know, you'll make your way a little bit more east at some point. Yeah, yeah. I haven't been out to Ohio in a while. I go to the Carolinas quite a bit.
01:47:41
Speaker
I haven't been to Ohio in a minute, though. Well, if you ever get to Ohio, let me know, and we'll we'll we'll be at a show. um I'll be back. hopefully Hopefully, we'll be back in the Carolinas here in about six years. I told you.
01:47:56
Speaker
i said ah I had a lady on a few weeks back. She's a comedian. And we were talking and setting up the dates and all that stuff. And she's like, oh, you know, you're in Ohio. And i'm like, yeah, i got to and I got about seven years left on my sentence, maybe six years for good behavior. And she's a clean comic. And she's like, are you in prison?
01:48:17
Speaker
yeah i don't know if they like to do podcasts from prison. And again, they also don't let you have methamphetamine in your butthole, and that happens a lot too. right out Yeah, I told her, I said, nope, not prison, just Ohio. Same thing. Lateral move.
01:48:33
Speaker
It's honestly yeah a lateral move. So I was like, you know, again, know your room, know to your audience before you make certain jokes. Yeah. But she was great. She was awesome. um No, man. i So I know this is kind of cheesy. I know this is kind of corny. I don't fucking care because it's my show and I do whatever I want. But I always ask my guests before i I let you guys get out of here.
01:48:56
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um Two things. Anybody who's thinking about getting into comedy, actually, you could throw it out there for writing as well because you kind of do a both.
Advice for Aspiring Comedians and Writers
01:49:05
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Don't. Stop. Kill yourself. Just do it. up Don't do it.
01:49:09
Speaker
Just stop. is Do you have your family's respect right now? Do you have anyone who loves you and cares about you? Okay. the Keep that and don't do it. What are you, crazy? Look at me. i you know I'm hunched in a room on a folding chair at 43 years old. This is not a fucking life for anyone. Don't do it. not what you want. You do something. You're going to listen. You're going to be in a Peter Thiel sponsored AI fuck shell in the next 13 years. okay Just go bang your avatar and you fucked into the matrix and don't think about doing a real... You're not going to have a job because this thing is jobs anymore. Just give it up and just just start drinking all the code red you can because life doesn't matter anymore.
01:49:56
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but i havelines on
01:50:03
Speaker
Well, you heard it here first. i click um ill do I will attempt to actually answer that question. Here's what I'll say. what That was the question, right? Was there more to the question?
01:50:16
Speaker
okay like any Any advice for anybody you know who's thinking about getting into it or they're new in it? that you know Yeah, yeah, yeah. So here's what I'll say. And this is this is in a this sounds like a joke, kind of, but like I do, like sounds like I'm saying this in jest, but I do mean this. um unless if Unless you're really serious and unless you're really committed to sacrificing a lot of time and effort
01:50:52
Speaker
for a very long time before you even see a modicum of success. ah Time, effort, money. I mean, yes if you're talking comedy, you're going to be driving five hours to get paid in a hot dog and sleep in your car and do five minutes. like This is what I'm talking about. i'm not This is not a joke when I say that. like That's what it is when you first start. Unless you're Understand that and you're willing to but if you're willing to do that.
01:51:21
Speaker
don't start um because in in this, you can apply this to anything in life. This is my this is my Mr. Rogers moment for all you people. So until yeah after this, I'm just going to go on a anti-Semitic tirade. So buckle up. ah he Just kidding, guys. Fine. The show but but it just end yeah the yeah but the technical difficulties. comes Baby goddess again. is
01:51:57
Speaker
the yeah i what What I mean is like, and again, you can apply this to anything in life. Like if you love it, if you want to do it, it's going to be hard. It's going to take a lot of time. It's going to take a lot of effort. You're going to have to sacrifice a lot. You're going to have to sacrifice time and money.
01:52:18
Speaker
yeah, yeah So much you're going to miss birthday parties you're going to make you like lit it's just you're going to lose friends you're going to like you know and it's just it's going to happen you have to decide what is the most important thing for you. And and it's like, there's no easy path with comedy. It's going to take a long time.
01:52:42
Speaker
It's going to be a lot of you doing all your own work. It's going to be a lot of no one giving a shit. um And like that, like, I'll give you an example.
01:52:54
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I was writing a show, a couple oh man, I'm
01:53:00
Speaker
12 years ago i was writing a show and i brought in two of my good friends at the time who were not comedians but they wanted to they we kind it was like an idea that we kind of had together so i'm like i brought him in to write this thing with me right and i kept telling them I'm like, listen, if this, the only time we all had off together was Sundays and Mondays and that we all could get together and work on this. And one of my guys was a big football fan. We lived in Washington at the time. And he goes, and I told him and I go, Hey man, I go, I understand Sundays and Mondays, football season, Seahawks are playing. Here's the deal. And this is when the Seahawks were, I guess they won the Superbowls here. They were good, but this is when they had like,
01:53:47
Speaker
Russell Wilson, they they were like the season after their Super Bowl season. So they were like, you know, but and I told him, I go, here's the deal, man. I go, I know you want to watch like all whatever 16 is 16, 14, six, you might have 14 at the time, football games in a season. Right.
01:54:07
Speaker
What if I told you for the next three years, you can only watch
01:54:13
Speaker
Five of them, four of them maybe even, you know, i go, but then in five years, you can have season tickets, box seats at the stadium for the rest of your life. I go, would you take that deal? And he said, yes.
01:54:29
Speaker
And I said, great. I said, that's what I'm trying to get us to do with this show. Like if this show goes somewhere, we can have that, but it's going to require us to not do anything else for a while.
01:54:43
Speaker
You know, get to do these other things we want to do. Well, I mean, now, you know, that show never happened ah because of reasons, but also, but good but but mostly because they, you know, I went on to do, I wasn't getting what I needed from them. i went on to do other projects. I've had successful projects since then. I'm still doing comedy.
01:55:04
Speaker
He's a bartender, you know, like like, yeah it's like I don't know. that's not what He's not happy. I know he's not happy. But I'm like, i don't know, man. like I tried to tell you, like this is what you have to do.
01:55:17
Speaker
eight It's going to suck. It's going to hurt. It's going to be painful. It's not going to be great. You are going to lose people you love. um But if it's what you want to do, then fucking do it. But if you think it's not, you're not all in, just don't start.
01:55:34
Speaker
It's not even worth It's not even worth it. Just go find the thing that you're going to apply that mindset to. And until you do, don't even start.
01:55:45
Speaker
and I know that's the truth. I've had that conversation with people. And, you know, when we, transferred into a more content-driven network and not just throwing shit at the wall. i mean, yeah, that's um down to just me and my very good a very good friend of mine that are doing shows. And he does couple few shows a week, and I do the majority of the shows. But I 100% agree. You've got to be all in.
01:56:09
Speaker
you know You know, if you want to be successful, yeah, man, make that sacrifice. And, you know at the end of the day, yeah, Maybe for a few years it's going to suck ass, but he's that payoff at the end of the day, if it blows up or if it becomes successful, it's all worth it Well, yeah, I mean, it it could suck ass for a really long time. I mean, like a really, really long time. ah You know, I mean, like Louis C.K. didn't get popular as a comedian until he was in his 40s. Yeah.
01:56:36
Speaker
You know, like, I mean, he'd been doing comedy for 20 years, right? Like it just, it just takes time and effort. And, you know, like I could tell you a million horror stories of how, know,
01:56:50
Speaker
the things I did to get stage time, like of like, you know, again, like I said, like you drive five hours and you literally, I'm going to sleep in my car and I'll get, I get to do five minutes and you know, $20 and a hot dog for the night or whatever, like literally like that's how it is for so long. And that's even after you've been doing it for years. So it's not, it's not the ah overnight success that, um,
01:57:15
Speaker
Social media would like us to believe that it is. Yeah.
Producing Comedy Shows and Long-term Goals
01:57:18
Speaker
and And even even the success people have is, yeah I mean, the only way the only reason I've been able to make this work, too, is because I created my own production company and I started producing my own shows.
01:57:31
Speaker
um So I just four wall venues and, you know, put myself in them and I can bet on myself and make money that way. um But a lot of comedians don't do that.
01:57:43
Speaker
And they can't make a living because, you know, you can't unless you're the top one percent of comedians, you're not going get living by you know, the club will book you, you know, any given club that you're in will book you once um once a year to headline. So like most comedians are not in at 52 clubs. Most, most comedians out there are in, in at three, if they're lucky, you know?
01:58:07
Speaker
So that you got to do a lot of other shit to, to you, you got to find your own path and make your way. Oh yeah, absolutely. I like that. that You just got to dig in, man.
01:58:20
Speaker
You know, pay your dues and you'll get there eventually at the end of the day. yeah but Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's the way i look at it is like, you'll, you know, i look i look at things on such a long term, like long, a long timeline, whereas like this is going to suck for x amount of time, but all of the time after that for the rest of my life will now be exponentially better. I'm focused on that. I'm not focused on the now, you know, like I am mean, I'm focused on the now and the meaning I'm working, but I'm of my i'm the goal is I can look at that and be like, this is getting me there. It's OK.
01:59:02
Speaker
Yep, exactly. they The long term. The long term, not the not the short term. you know i mean I feel that 100%. I've had people you know right now, there's three people watching. That's okay.
01:59:14
Speaker
Maybe this time next year, there'll be 3,000 people watching. you know Whatever the case may be. you know Maybe there'll still be three people watching. I don't want to know. I also know that it's a Wednesday. at you know My time is 10 o'clock at night. Most normal people are like, oh, I got to get up and go to work in the morning. and you know I do too. i got take kids to school everything else. But the end of the day this is my shit so well like we talked earlier the social media and everything i think people just lost you know instant gratification they lost long-term goals and they they think everything should happen quickly and you know i uh i used to uh be a fighter i used to train mma and kickboxing stuff and i would run um i'd run on the beach a lot and when i'd run on the beach
02:00:03
Speaker
I would always just go, I'm going to run to that lifeguard stand. And then when I get to that lifeguard stand, I could finally see the next one way down the beach. And I'd be like, okay, you can make you can see it. You can run to that one. And then I get to that and then i you just do a one at a time. i'm not I wouldn't start going, I'm going to run 20 of these.
02:00:22
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I would go, i'm going to run to that one. And when I get to that one, I'm going to just let just keep going next one. And then next thing you know, I've run 25 them. But yeah know it's like incremental. Take it off slowly, slowly have these small goals and they add up.
02:00:37
Speaker
Yeah, 100 percent, man. That's that's that's a legit real talk. And that's kind of my mindset. Like, oh, I'll take the I'll take the I'll take the long road and I'll put the work in. You know, it all even it's it's. ah You know, to me, it's it's it's I can look back on it and go, hell, yeah, this is where we started.
02:00:55
Speaker
This is where we are. And I mean, that happens even with baby steps, man. I get excited if I get 10 likes on a post. I'm like, oh yeah, that's cool. Most other people are like, oh, you only got 10 likes.
02:01:06
Speaker
I mean, you have to. There there is, yeah mean, you say, you know you call it the the long road, but it's, I mean, it's just the road. There's no shortcut. you know, the shortcut, the shortcut is fleeting and doesn't last. It's not real. You know, it's not, if you found shortcut, it's not real. It's not going to, it's not, it's it's not sustainable.
02:01:25
Speaker
No, 100%. 100%. don't want to take up too much of your time. ah You know, I've had you a little over two hours now. I do. again I greatly appreciate it, brother. You're welcome back anytime.
02:01:37
Speaker
thank you I love when guests come back. um Ask my musical guests. I bring them back all the time just because I have so much fun with them. And I enjoy catching up.
02:01:47
Speaker
You know, I you know, the cool thing about this. you know, I love focusing on, on the up and comers, you know, the local, the independent guys and, you know, I become a fan and I watch your journey as as a fan. So anytime you want to come back, if there's anything we can do for you, don't be shy. Don't be a stranger. You know, if you want us to throw some stuff up on our socials, on our stories to help promote stuff for you.
02:02:12
Speaker
Absolutely. You know, any single Japanese girls around 28 years old? um I might be able to give you a couple of websites.
02:02:24
Speaker
I don't know any other women. i You have Ana DeArmis' phone number. of yeah that's It's really the number one thing on my bucket list right now. just want to know what number is all I'm looking for. i get you I can handle the rest. Yeah, it only needs a number or an Instagram. I'll figure it out from there. Whatever.
02:02:47
Speaker
yeah No, like I said, absolutely. ah This was a blast. you Like I said, you're, you know, if you guys aren't already following Deese, make sure you go to check him out. We've, and and if, if you're technologically retarded like myself, if you found us, you can find him because he's tagged in every post that I've on all of our social media.
02:03:09
Speaker
Once you find it, click it, go give him a follow, check out, um, Inferno Earth as well, as if you guys are into the comics and stuff like that, support that as well. Even if you're not, just go follow it. Like you said, just go follow us. Help us out. Follow is follow helps. Just a follow on the Instagram. You can follow it and then mute me. I don't care. It's just... Just to those numbers up and make it look good at the of the day.
02:03:34
Speaker
just to just to get that just to get that those numbers up and make it look good at the end of the day No, again, man, absolutely 100% very grateful and and very appreciative. I had a great time hanging out with you.
02:03:46
Speaker
And like I said, you're welcome back anytime and anything we can do. don't Don't be shy. yeah on Thanks for having me on man. appreciate it. Absolutely. You're welcome to stick around while I do my closing spiel, or you can drop out, man. You don't have to you have to hang out. I love my dogs out. They've been ever assist both looking at the door waiting to go. Impatiently. and patient Let us out, fucker. so Thank you guys for watching. Thank you guys for hanging out. Tune in.
02:04:15
Speaker
What is today? There's nothing tomorrow. Wally's out tomorrow, but he'll be back Friday. Check out Saturday. Nonsensical nonsense, you know the drill the doors are open we let all you assholes come up on the panel and hang out with us and then Sunday I believe Kayla and I will be back with a brand new episode of Beyond the Veil.
02:04:33
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We got some spooky shit to talk about And then back to normal next week. i don't know what's going on next week a bunch of shit's going on next week Here on the network bio.link slash nonsensicalnetwork. Give us follow give us a like give us a share and If you guys missed it last night go watch the replay, but ah I had our very good friends kissing Willis on the show, and I'm going to end the show with their brand new song.
02:04:57
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I think I am. I'm just lying. i am not. Yes, I am.
02:05:04
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I'm an idiot. I have to cue this intro. Where is it at? There it is. Yes, now I'm going to end the show with with their new show with their new song, What to Die For.
02:05:18
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Killer video, killer song. Go check them out. Dece, thank you again, brother. Have a great one. Look forward to seeing you again, man. Take it easy.
02:05:59
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To love, to lust, to hate, the glory of bastard. A beautiful disaster in the eye of a storm.
02:06:12
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Hesitate to paint the details of a portrait that illustrates the colors of the sins I've ignored.
02:06:27
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I'm digging deeper. Tell me deserve this. Come on, won't you cut me open?
02:07:30
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My sweet lady death, my soul to keep Waste, degrade, ashamed Foundation on an eyesore Her majesty is gently knocking on my door again Pretend to sleep and dream about her offer And suffocate myself and drown
02:08:00
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Digging deeper, traumatize the limits Come on, won't you cut me open Don't you scratch the surface I'm digging deeper, tell me I deserve this Come won't you cut me open