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Glick's House of Music: Brooks Herring
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Glick's House of Music is open and the amps are hot. Tonight we're hanging out with Brooks Herring,talking music,stories,and whatever other beautiful Nonsense crashes through the door. Good vibes,oud riffs,and zero adult supervision. @brooksherringmusic
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The Power of Music to Unite and Heal
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We'll be right back.
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No time spared.
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Music unites on hallowed ground.
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Voices rise in sweet decree.
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The shortest blend of sonic art. Touching souls a brand new start. Rocking interviews, stories shared.
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Chill hangouts, no time spared.
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Music unites on hallowed ground.
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Things music a vibrant call for one and all To give their all in this sanctuary where dreams ignite music
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This house of music, a place to be for every heart, wild and free. Music's embrace forever strong, a symphony of life all night long.
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Changing out old guitar strings tune-up or an oil change Hell damn near anything I can fix it
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old hand-me-down washing machine couple parts and some elbow grease If it's something that really need, I can fix it Here lately I've been trying to figure out
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How to put a wrench on everything that's broken in this house I can build an engine from the block up Swing a hammer, lace stone, drive a big truck can do a lot of things and most men can't
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I can put up walls and I can knock them down Fall a tree and pull the stump from the ground when the sawdust settles, what's broken needs more than veins I'm having trouble shooting doubles trying to figure out where to start Cause I don't know how to fix a broken heart
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Duct tape can hold a lot together till there's a wrong turn in the weather. it getting worse or is getting better? Can I fix
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it? Here lately I've been wondering if I even have the tools. Tieden up everything that's coming loose.
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I can build an engine from the block up Swing a hammer, lay stone, drive a big truck I can do a lot of things and most men can't
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I can put up walls and I can knock them down Fall tree and pull the stump from the ground When the sawdust settles, what's broken needs more than pain Having trouble shooting doubles, trying to figure out where to start
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I don't know how to fish the brook
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Once upon a time Could you give me a hand And help me make this right Could you help me make this right I can build an engine from the block up Swing a hammer, lay stone, drive a big truck I can do a lot of things and most men can't
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I can put up walls and I can knock them down. Fall tree and pull the stump from the ground. When the sawdust settles, what's broken needs more than pain.
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I'm having trouble shooting doubles trying to figure out where to start. I don't have all the answers, but willing to work real hard.
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And maybe can learn how to fix a broken heart.
Introduction to Glick's House of Music and Guest Brooks Herring
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How
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to fix a broken heart.
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What is going on guys? Welcome to Glick's House of Music right here on the Nonsensical Network. Your unofficial backstage pass for all the behind the scenes when it comes to music.
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This is what we do. If you're not already, go ahead give us a follow. Give us a like. Give us a share. Bio.link slash Nonsensical Network. Got all of our links for all of our social media there. Not only that, but on our social media you can also find all my guests.
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because I tagged them and that makes it really easy for you guys to find them ah give us a follow give us a like give share what up chatterbox Daniel Kayla some dude and Scorpio enough about me and enough about you guys he's coming in hot tonight from one stage to another flying by the seat of his pants I like it I like the way he operates the one and only Mr. Brooks Herring what's going on brother hey hey brother how we doing Good, good, man. I do want to say right off the rip, thanks for coming on here. I know we had you scheduled a while back, but it's you you are a busy man, dude. That's just what this man's social media, and it'll wear you
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This sentence will keep you busy if you're looking for work. like and so yeah no um'm I'm glad we were able to reschedule. I was definitely looking forward to hanging out with you and getting to chat with you some.
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ah Love your music, dude. I love that song, first and foremost. um There's a lot of the music that you have that I really like. um But it was actually what caught what caught my eye.
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Scrolling through Instagram, you popped up in the algorithm, and I can't remember the song you were you were doing. It might have been a cover. Dude, you got a fucking voice on you.
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I appreciate it.
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i call i call I call it my D. So, of course, that I had to go do my homework and listen to something.
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Oh, I lost your audio.
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I lost your audio. It might be
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might be your ear, but you might have take them out, put them back in.
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or technical
Brooks Herring's Musical Journey and Nashville Experience
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There we go. I think I got you back now. You got me now? Okay. Yep, now we got you. That's weird. um as Somebody tried to call me. Some spam number tried to call me, and I think that's like that like overrides the audio or whatever.
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oh yeah yeah. Yeah, but no, I refer to my voice as an old diesel truck. It's powerful. It just takes some some warming up, you know? so like I like that.
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ah If you don't get that reference, well, you ain't been around a lot of drugs or you didn't grow up working on a farm.
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No, dude. um How long have you been doing music? Oh, it really depends on... on what you mean by doing music. I've been a musician since I was in sixth grade.
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um I started playing the trumpet in sixth grade. I started playing the drums in seventh grade. I started playing guitar at 14. Started writing songs as soon as I started playing guitar. So it's been a hobby of mine for for decades. It's always something I did kind of on the side. I did, you know, played in church and, you know,
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When I joined the military, out and and I bailed myself a guitar every time I deployed and I would just kind of sit in the bunkers and learn songs and sit on the picnic tables and play for whoever wanted to listen. And it was just kind of a hobby thing. I didn't I didn't I never knew anything about the the music industry. I never knew anything about ah being a professional songwriter or being like what it meant to be an artist and all that kind of stuff. So um it was just something i did. And um when I when I got out in 2013, started ah
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playing around you know with with the idea of gigs or whatever in South Carolina. I started playing drums for a guy that did country music around Columbia. and did that for a little while. Just you know anytime he actually you know needed a drummer, i would I would play for him. Then he would let me get up and play a couple songs when he was not taking his break.
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Eventually, those venues started to book me, and then he decided to retire for music. and He told all them, he was like, hey, give my gigs to Brooks, like give, give all these slots to Brooks. And so I kind of, kind of got a little, little headstart, you know, playing gigs. And this, this was is around,
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2015, I'd say. So this is this is maybe you know just over 10 years ago. And then so i switched from from playing drums to being the front man and ah playing bars around town. And um the summer between my undergrad and grad school, so this summer of 2018, I graduate finished my bachelor's in May of 2018. I didn't start the PT program at South Carolina until August.
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And so that summer, I just decided to just play music as much as I could. And by the end of that summer, I was playing six, seven shows a week and making great money. And it kind of, that's when the light bulb went off. was like, wow, how can I can, it's like, I can make money doing this. Like this is so much fun. Like I love this. And and it's actually like profitable.
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Um, So and I kind of discovered that, but I still, I was already committed to PT school. So I still went to PT school. um And then in March of 2020, so this is right before the world ended March of 2020.
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um I applied to a program called creative events and creative at springs combat veterans to Nashville and pairs them with songwriters and mentors and and gives them the opportunity to tell their story through a song.
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And so I got i got guy got to come Nashville for the first time in March of 2020. Never been exposed to the music industry, nothing like that. So just literally six years ago, came to Nashville for the first time and um just was just immersed in the music industry for an entire week. Just head dunked in it, just waterboarded by the music industry, you know, and it's just...
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um Yeah, it was it was just it it changed my life. It changed like the way I saw the world. It changed like my purpose and my mission. Like that's when I knew that this is where I needed to be and this is what I needed to do. And so um i went back and I, you know, i continued on with PT school because I was already in there.
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um But I used the next. year and a half to lay the foundation for a career in music. and I started my website and all my social media and started gearing everything towards that way, started writing more, started picking out songs that I wanted to record, started taught working with studios in that area. And so I graduated, I finished my doctorate in December of 2021 and went full time as a musician in January 2022. So everybody outside of my immediate circle was just like,
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You did what? Yeah. What the hell are you doing? Yeah. So, so I, I've been a full-time musician for four years. Um, I've been in Nashville for three. So I, it only, it only took a year from, from then for me to, to, to know that I had to move here to make moves and, um,
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So I moved here in in January 2023 and just been peddled down, doing everything I can since then, um everything from writing, recording, playing downtown on Broadway, playing all over the country, playing overseas sometimes.
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Yeah, I'm doing stuff. i'm doing oh I'm working a lot in the sync space, so like movies and TV. and I recorded a Liberty Mutual commercial recently, and that's on the radio. so i just Anything I can get my hands on musically, like I'm just doing it all.
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Just in there, yeah. You had like quite the journey i mean from doing it from childhood, where now you're just headfirst, fully immersed in it, you know? Oh, yeah. um I'm in the deep end. Yeah, you are.
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I'm having a little bit of issues over here. Give me one second. Hopefully i'll you might lose me for a second, but. No worries. Kayla, thank you so much for dropping those links. Appreciate that.
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I know if y'all can still hear me, but she ah she dropped in there. Brooks, music dot com. That's the best place to find out where I'm going to be. You can you can shop a whole bunch of really cool merchandise on there. See where I'm going to be playing shows. You can find all my music and all my socials and everything right there on the website. It's all in all all in one shop.
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Everything right there. All that you need. So thanks again, Kayla. appreciate that.
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As long as he's frozen, I mean, we can just admire his beard, that custom hat, you know. He's got, like, the stripes. I got i got the drake coming in Oh, there you are. There we go. Sorry.
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We have have been having so many issues with our internet since last week. We had these, like, i don't know if you guys got hit with them. All the crazy windstorms and everything like that.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah. And... um just ever since my, my internet and incredibly wishy-washy.
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So hopefully now we got, we got really lucky here. We, uh, I mean, we, we, we had, we got a lot of wind, but nothing bad happened.
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Yeah, we got a lot of wind. We had lost power for several hours and then we lost internet for almost four days. So it still hasn't been quite, but, um,
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I think it's breaking down again.
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just went into robot mode.
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I'm not worried about that. Yeah. Okay. Jesus. but You were saying. i'm telling you what, man. I'm telling you what. I do want to apologize. But this is.
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it never fails. Whether it's sound or it's internet or something. Either on my end or my guest's end. I can never have a show where there's no technical difficulty. Oh, no.
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Technology has to make sure you know who the boss is, you know. Yeah, i yeah that or the universe or something that is just constantly just trying me. Like, let's see how many curveballs we can throw this guy. So I do apologize. Hopefully no more there were no more interruptions. Fingers crossed.
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um But yeah no um yeah, man, the journey has been crazy for you. um And it sounds like how long were you in the service for? So I was on active duty in the Navy for six years, and then I worked for the Army as a contractor for two years. So I deployed to Iraq and Africa with the Navy and then Afghanistan with the Army.
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Nice.
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So, yeah, you you definitely got – sounds like being over there, being on deployments and stuff like that, you helped boost the morale and keep everybody's spirits up with the you know with the guitar and whatnot.
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I tried. certainly tried.
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Well, I know it's cliche, but thank you for your service. your service i mean Thank you. Now, guys like you and and women like you, i certainly wouldn't be here doing what I'm doing throughout the week on this here podcast thing. so I try to remember that every day, and that's why I do what I do. mean, the first song that I released, it wasn't like a fast, fun song.
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fun radio song it was a very slow heartfelt song is one that i wrote when i was in it still in afghanistan it was written for for two of the guys that i lost and you know it was just you know i decided that i wanted to to pay respect to them um to start off you know it's i wouldn't be able to do what i'm doing now you know if it weren't for for men and women that that went beyond what i did and and and made the ultimate sacrifice so awesome yeah absolutely is that is that the uh small town hero song
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No, that song's called Why Me. Oh, okay. my Yeah, that was my very first release.
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I got to dive a little bit further. I've been diving. That's one of my favorite things about you know coming across new artists and stuff, whether it be on ah Instagram or however, is getting to dive into your guys' music catalog.
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I've released like songs, so like it'll take a while. And every once a while I'll get into it and and i'll I'll really fall in love with
Authenticity and Storytelling in Music
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a song. and then i And I never used to look at it. and I would pull it for the show or you know randomly for other shows to play music.
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And then I would get a message and it would be from you know that that former guest. They're like, and I released that like 10 years ago. How did you find it It was on your YouTube channel and I really liked it. Yeah.
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like I don't think anybody would still listen to that stuff. yeah and I like to dive into it. um When it comes to your songwriting and whatnot, do you write a lot from personal experience and and kind of you know what hits hits home to you?
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Oh, yeah. I mean... Every song that I write, even even though each individual song may not be about me or about an exact experience that I've had, um it's natural. I mean, that for for my personal experiences to kind of I look at everything, every situation, every every even hypothetical situations, I look at them through the lens of of my life experiences. So like, um yeah, definitely life experience plays a huge role and in songwriting. I think that's that's true for anyone.
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um you can write about things that didn't necessarily happen to you um or change things to kind of make the song work. um But it's natural for for your experiences as a human to kind of influence, you know, how you view it and how you, how you um you know, tell that story. And that's one of the reasons why I love writing with so many different people. I love being in Nashville and having access to so many songwriters is I can, um I have,
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like a few people that I call repeat offenders that that I write with regularly, but I love, you know, writing with as many people as possible just because everybody has lived a little bit different life. And, and I love to see the world through all these different lenses. Like I want to hear what, what this sounds like to you and what it sounds like to you and what it sounds like to you and to you and to you, like, cause it's going to be different for everybody. um And I just feel like, you know,
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being a part of of something like songwriting with so many different people from so many different backgrounds with so many different life experiences just enables me to, to look at the world in so many different ways and understand a lot more than I didn't before, you know, just from my own life experiences. and so oh yeah, absolutely. Not only that, but you know, when you're writing and, and, you this is me being a fan of music and, and one of the things that,
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I've missed for a long time in music are artists who write from the heart and tell stories. I feel like the last, I don't know maybe 20 years or so of music, it's just, ah and maybe I'm also old and and I'm, you know, whatever the case may be, it's just a bunch of crap.
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It's, you know, let me, you know, country has, and country has a formula and it's, you gotta get a truck in there. You gotta get a girl in there. You gotta get a beer in there and you gotta get, yeah I like that.
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Luke Bryan's one of those guys guys for me. I call him Catfish Charlie because every so every every song sounds the same. It's it's the same formula. And then whether you know it's pop music or rap music or whatever, it's like, here's a catchy hook and here's a beat.
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But doing doing this and meeting you guys, I'm learning, I'm meeting more and more songwriters and storytellers. You can relate to the music. here I mean, we've all, we were like,
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you know we started the song or tonight off we've all been through a broken heart before it's like you know you i can do all this shit but i can't fix this you know i can fix all these things who can't relate to that i mean yeah and whether you like the sad sappy songs or not it's still fact of life and we've all been through it and i really enjoy um you know, especially it seems like a lot of you guys come out of Nashville. A lot of you, uh, uh, up and coming artists and independent artists are getting back into those roots of, of writing stories or or telling stories with your songs.
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Yeah. I don't, I don't know any other way to do it. I'm, I'm too old to, to to do it any other way. Like I'm kind of set in my ways. Like, I mean, we played, we played a few of my original songs today at a jelly rolls when we were there, you know, and, um,
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And I, every time, you know, we start like ah the the band has like, the band gets like a three minute break every time we play one of my original songs. Cause going to tell the story. I am going to tell the story. Like if you hear a song that you've heard on the radio, 27,000 times, you're going to ba bang along and you're going to sing along or whatever, because you know, the song you're familiar with it.
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When you hear a song that you're not familiar with, you'll kind of like, if you're, if it sounds good musically, you'll, you'll kind of be curious and then, you know, kind of, Work your way into it.
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But to have someone preface, like when somebody tells me a story and the story itself is captivating and the story is leading up to a song, whether I've heard that song or not, I'm going to listen very intently because I now know the story. Like it's just people ask me all the time, like, what's your favorite place to play?
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The listening room. the listening room, hands down, because the listening room here in Nashville is, um and also the Bluebird, it's yeah the listening room is like a bigger version, but I remember when, you know the times that I've played at the listening room, the entire room is just silent.
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They are waiting for the story. There's not beer bottles clinking around. There's not people having sidebar conversations and telling jokes. There's not loud laughter and woo girls and stuff breaking and whatever else.
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There's absolute silence and people are waiting. the The people that are there came there and paid money and bought a ticket to come in and listen to the stories.
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And, you know, just, I've, I've, really enjoyed you know playing at the listening room and being able to tell the story before playing the song and just being able to see, just i can look around while I'm playing the song and I can look people in the eyes and I can i can see that not only are they hearing this song that I'm playing and singing,
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but they can feel it. They can feel this story that I have told them and I have now put into, into lyrics and into melody. They can feel it. And it's just, it's so much more powerful than, than anything you can do on a big stage with big lights and sound and whatever else. It's just that that connection is, is not, you can't replace that.
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No, absolutely. You get that, you get that very intimate setting, you know? Yeah. Um, MTV used to do that with unplugged and I loved unplugged and I think it was CMT that had that show storytellers and I think as well, they would, the artists would come in and they would do that exact same thing. Yeah, MTV Unplugged would like, they would like record the whole thing and then like the artists would like release the MTV Unplugged like session as an album or as a single or whatever else. And those are some of the best cuts in my opinion. Some of my favorite older songs like the MTV Unplugged cuts were always awesome.
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Yeah, ah i'm always I'm a huge fan of of acoustic
Challenges and Reality of Performing on Nashville's Broadway
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music. And anytime you can see it, you get an opportunity hear an artist stripped down with just a guitar, nothing else behind them.
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I'm always tuned in. Chris Cornell didt and ah did a an album like that. He recorded it live at some small venue. and and And he did like 20, 30 songs. But before each song, and he did some covers and stuff like that.
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Before each song, he had a little story to go with them. Um, and that was probably one of the best things he ever did. and I wish I could find that album again. I had it once upon a time, but it came up missing everything. Yeah. I love that stuff.
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Um, being down in Nashville, I've had a lot of artists, on here from Nashville. Uh, it sounds like you're doing, ah doing a little bit of the, uh, the, uh, Broadway grind.
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Getting up there and playing on Broadway. I've had mixed mixed reviews. Some artists are like, stay away from it. Some artists are like, I love it. do you What's your opinion on that?
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Oh, I lost your audio again.
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Nope, no audio yet. We're having all kinds of technical difficulties. This is going to be a good show.
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Nope.
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Now. There we go. Now I got you back. Yeah. yeah okay um um i was my I was messing with the the the speaker, the sound settings.
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like it' say ah Not the microphone settings. that You can't hit. Yeah. i'm I'm sitting in the studio. I should know these things. Can you hear me now?
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Can you hear me now? Yeah. now we use some words like Check what do Shit what were we talking about The yeah the Broadway grind Hitting the Yeah so i don't i don't I don't love it Um I don't love it, but I don't hate it. It's one of those things like you know, a lot of lot of folks are on like one side of the fence. I say do it. I would tell any artist, like, I think you should do it.
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um Not because playing on Broadway is the greatest thing in the world. They don't pay us anywhere near what we deserve to get paid. Like the the pay on Broadway is crap at most places. Now, there are a few places, Garth's included, um that take really good care of the artists. At Garth's Friends in Low Places, we got a green room, a load-in ramp.
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the best stage, great base pay, you know, like everything is awesome there. So like, I can't, I can't say anything bad about Garz. Um, But a lot of lot of places, most of the places on down on Broadway still don't pay a decent wage.
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And um so you're down there, you're working for tips for the most part. You're working for tips. And for a lot of us, this is how we put food on the table and how we pay our bills. So it makes it difficult. But here's the thing.
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It makes you work. It makes you work. You have to work the crowd. You have to you have to be down every day. And I mean, like... I don't want to blow my voice out, but you know what? when i'm on I'm on stage with a band getting reps every single day.
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And so a lot of a lot of artists, especially nowadays in the age of social media, we see artists that that that have something go viral and they're 18 years old and the record label goes and signs them to some terrible contract.
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And then they go to put them on stage and they're like, I don't know how to perform in front of people. Yeah. Like, or any artists here in Nashville that's been doing this Broadway grind for a few years, you're going to like, hey, I need you to go play this show. They're going to like, hell yeah, let's go.
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Where? yeah When? No, what time is low then? What's the sound situation? Do you have in-airs or we using wedges? Like, do I need to bring my band? Like, they're just going to able to just boom, boom, boom, boom. boom Let's do it.
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So... When I played football, I didn't enjoy going to practice, but it made me better. It made me better. And and when game time came around on Friday, i was ready because I went to practice.
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You know, you didn't get a win at practice. You got the win on Friday, but you got to work in practice so that you can get the win on Friday. That's... Broadway is is practice. I play there through the week and make a little bit of money and and get some exposure, meet new people, practice new songs with the band, practice them on people.
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I mean, take your new song, send a chart to your band, go down to Broadway, try it out on real people. Yeah, right. Exactly. yeah um Yeah. And then when the weekend comes around, you know, I can take my band and we can travel the world and get paid great money.
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to play big shows because we know what we're doing, because people see us do it all the time. I've had so many people that have seen us downtown on Broadway in Nashville and they're like, hey, you're amazing.
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I've got an event in Ohio. Would you be willing to come do it? I'm like, yeah, when? yeah And let's get it going. you know Let's get a contract drawn up, whatever. So do I love playing on Broadway?
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absolutely not. Do I think that every artist should? Yeah. yeah i Not necessarily National Broadway, like Broadway or whatever your city's version, sixth Street in Austin or whatever, whatever your version of Broadway is in your town, get out there and f freaking play. Get out there and practice. Get your reps in. like Don't sit at home playing it on your couch for your phone and putting it on TikTok, that's that doesn't compare to a real show. and one
00:34:45
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No, 100%. and i You know what? Out of all the artists I've had from Nashville, not a single one of them has ever put put Broadway like that. Most of them try to avoid the the Broadway grind because they're like, you're doing four, five, six shows a day, you know, by Wednesday, your voice is completely shot and you can't do anything else. And, you know, like and that and there's, you also Broadway teaches you, it humbles you and it and it teaches you to be smart.
00:35:13
Speaker
I don't do doubles as a vocalist. Like can play guitar for eight or 12 hours a day. Sure. I'm not going to sing eight hours a day. Like if somebody offers me like a two hour gig and it's a split double with a four hour gig, I'll do that because in between those two shows, I can drink water. I can have a tea.
00:35:30
Speaker
i can rest my voice, do whatever I need to do and then get ready for the next one. If you're, if you're a singer and you're doing three shows a day, <unk>re yeah you're going to blow yourself out. That's, that's ignorant. There's no, absolutely not. I will not do that.
00:35:44
Speaker
Um, No amount of money on Broadway is worth that because like you're not gonna make that much money. And if you need to do three shows a day on Broadway to pay your bills, you need to sell the Mercedes Benz G-Wagon and get a Camry, okay? Like you're living above your means. Like there's, I play one show a day down there and I'm getting by. like You got, you got to, you got to hustle and and like and all I do is music.
00:36:08
Speaker
That's all I do. and don't I don't, I'm not working. I'm not working a day job and then going playing gigs. Like I'm on Broadway. and um I'm somewhere every single day. I'm on but Broadway through the week. I play shows all around the country through the, on the weekends.
00:36:22
Speaker
sometimes private gigs, sometimes bars, sometimes restaurants, weddings, whatever. Um, I'm doing, like i said, I'm doing sync. I'm doing movies and TV and stuff like that. I'm acting. Um, I'm doing commercials for radio. Like I'm recording and releasing music. Like as an artist, you've got to diversify your portfolio. You gotta be make, you gotta to make sure you've got streams of income coming in from a lot of different places.
00:36:46
Speaker
Um, so that you don't have to feel like you need to play three shows on Broadway to pay your bills. um I just don't, I don't, I don't see that being a reality for anyone that isn't living above their means. Like if you're living within your means, you can make enough money playing on Broadway. And, you know, it,
00:37:08
Speaker
If it's not enough, then you need to be focused on booking bigger shows outside and using Broadway like I do during the week as paid practice. I mean, at some point, at some point, the venues on Broadway need to do better.
00:37:25
Speaker
They've got to do better. um This is Music City because of the musicians. This is Music City because of the artists that are...
00:37:37
Speaker
that are that are down on Broadway grinding. yeah And people come to this city to see music. And it's sad because like the way I look at Nashville, and we this is this is a running joke for a lot of us here.
00:37:51
Speaker
This is a drinking town with a music problem. i've heard that instead of the other way around. Because, yeah, because people come here to just get hammered drunk. And it's great that there's live music here, but how many of them are actually stopping to appreciate the music and appreciate the songwriters and appreciate the songs and the musicians that are absolutely just crushing it on stage?
00:38:09
Speaker
like People don't appreciate that. and the venues certainly don't appreciate that. The venues are charging $9 and $10 beer. Yeah. and And, you know, just and paying us peanuts.
00:38:21
Speaker
And it's just it's ridiculous, you know? You think, and and and and again, if we if we start to cross into territory we shouldn't cross into because i don't want to cost you any gigs or anything like that.
00:38:33
Speaker
You think, you you know, you said that they they're paying you guys as peanuts down there, essentially. Is it like a supply and demand thing? you Like the venues, no. Absolutely. you know there's probably and i'm just going to throw at the wall i don't know exact numbers or stats or anything you probably got 200 artists down there and i'm again i'm just throwing shit at a wall and 50 venues obviously they're like well we know we can get an artist in here to do something so yeah a lot of people were kicking doors down begging to get a chance on stage
00:39:07
Speaker
um Yeah, you got you got you got several you got hundreds of venues and and you got a lot of them that have two and three and four floors with two and three and four stages all going at the same time.
00:39:18
Speaker
And then you got music starting at 9 a.m. m and going till 3 a.m. m every single day. But yes, there there are thousands and thousands and thousands of artists here in Nashville all trying to make it so that there it is a supply and demand thing.
00:39:30
Speaker
these venues know that, and and don't I'm not worried about stepping into this territory. i don't play anywhere that would fire me for saying this. I only play at the places I want to play at, and I'm blessed to to be in a position to do that, but Like the, the, the places that, that have the politics or whatever that would fire me for saying something like this. I don't want to play for those people. I don't want to work for those people. i don't want anything to do with those people.
00:39:56
Speaker
They are, they are the reason that music city is going
Navigating Music Opportunities and Fair Compensation
00:39:59
Speaker
downhill. They are the reason that musicians on Broadway and in Nashville, Tennessee feel disrespected. So I don't want anything to do with them. I love the venues that I play at. um But I mean,
00:40:11
Speaker
that there if If you don't want to do this gig for a hundred bucks, they will. yeah Or if you don't to this gig for 75 bucks, they will. there's there There are plenty of musicians down here scraping at the walls, trying to get a gig that will that will jump in and take whatever the pay is and undercut you.
00:40:28
Speaker
And that's another problem. is Another problem isn't even with the venues, it's with us as musicians. Like we as a community are so fractured um that we can't, we can't like stand up and and make this change happen because if all of the musicians in Nashville were to all collectively say, we will not play for less than x yeah then then the venues would have no choice.
00:40:58
Speaker
Because they otherwise they just wouldn't have any music. But the the the problem is, is the venues, they they there are musicians that will just be like, oh yeah, I'll do it. Instead of standing with the rest of us. And you know instead of all ships rising, there's you know there's just there's plenty that that will just play for whatever.
00:41:14
Speaker
um So i mean, there's so many different sides to it. Yeah, there's lot of moving parts. And um I'm not afraid to speak out about it. I've experienced plenty of it. I mean, I get...
00:41:26
Speaker
I have plenty of people who are offering me shows outside of Nashville that are paying me what I'm worth, that that see what I'm worth, and I'm very grateful for them. and there are places in Nashville, like i said, you know, Garth's, that pay us, you know, what we deserve, and I'm very grateful for them.
00:41:42
Speaker
um oh
00:41:46
Speaker
Yeah, it's... Change has to come, but... Yeah, and it's like you said, though, it's ah it's a catch-22, you know, for... you know, for as many of you guys that would want to come together and, and, and take that fight on, there's probably just as many. There's like, fuck it. I'm going to get on stage. If you're not going to do it, I'm going to do it into the day. yep Oh, yep.
00:42:09
Speaker
It's kind of that, uh, rock in a hard place situation. But like you said, you have plenty of other opportunities and you you have plenty of places where, you know, you can go play and that they'll, they'll pay you what you're worth, which is amazing, which, which is great.
00:42:22
Speaker
Um, traveling and if you ever do get to Ohio, make sure you let me know. We'll come see you. Yeah, I'll i'll be back in Put-In-Bay at some point in time this year while it's nice and warm. Nice. Yeah. but The boss says we're going. Hell yeah.
00:42:44
Speaker
yeah Yeah, my my girlfriend slash producer in the background here, she said, you said put me we're going. but ah she we were I was playing your your song at the beginning of the show She's like, ooh, I like I love getting out. I'm i'm a huge fan of of live music. I love live music.
00:43:10
Speaker
And I, and like, I'll go to bars and yeah, I'll have a couple of drinks, but I'm not, I'm not complete opposite of the people in Nashville. If I'm going to see a band, I want to go see the band. Yeah. i might have a few drinks, but yeah ultimately I want go see the artists. I want to hear them perform.
00:43:28
Speaker
You know, I look forward to not, you know, cause you go to some of the, we've got, we've got some pretty nice venues in my, my area for music and stuff. But you go and you're like, yeah, we know we're going to hear the covers. But every once in a while, these artists will will sneak in some of their some of their origins.
00:43:47
Speaker
And it's like, okay. i don't even I don't even sneak it in. I announce it and talk about it. i' I'll tell the story with every song. like that's and That's another thing about the venues where I play, you know Doc Holliday's, Jelly Rolls, Gar's Friends in Low Places, Redneck Riviera. like the play The places that i play,
00:44:04
Speaker
have no problem with me playing original music. And that, that is also like a, a requirement for me to play somewhere. Like if I'm going to do a four hour gig for you, I'll play cover songs. I'll take requests.
00:44:15
Speaker
Like we'll do the damn thing, you know, like the, the, you keep people at the bar, but we are going to play some original music. It's going to happen. It's not negotiable. So that's awesome.
00:44:26
Speaker
That's, that's awesome. and And that the those venues give you the freedom and and and whatnot and respect that. And I like, yeah, and du Do your thing. But you, you know, you, you said you're kind of, um you're kind of a jack of all trades. So that benefits you being a guitar player and drummer and singer, you know, you, you give yourself all kinds of opportunities down there.
00:44:51
Speaker
um Yeah. i I've had a lot. of I don't really play drums as much as I used to. I mean, I got it. I got a set here in the studio that I use for recording stuff, but um like I don't, I don't really do drums down on Broadway cause I don't want to carry all that crap. yeah and definitely I chose wisely when it comes to lowdown.
00:45:08
Speaker
um yeah But it, yeah, I've had a lot of, a lot of drummers and a lot of like guitar players, bassists, like a lot of different musicians just like ask me, they'll, they'll, they'll just know right off the bat, like they'll come up and be like, you were a drummer first, weren't you? i like, yeah, just cause I, you know, just,
00:45:23
Speaker
ah i'm always I'm always keeping tempo. I'm always tapping my foot, and I'm able to do a lot of, I guess, things rhythmically that most acoustic players don't usually do or or don't do. i don't know, but um I guess it shows that I i started on the um the kit.
00:45:41
Speaker
do you have a Do you have a regular band that you play with, or do you just have guys that sit in for you? Both. um So in Nashville, I mean, um part of the culture is, know, musicians are are generally freelance. like um and And like, so my, I have a depth chart, you know, like i'm my BP one, ah my number one bass player that I want to have on stage with me all the time.
00:46:06
Speaker
Logan Hatcher, he's a, he's a Marine, incredible bass player, great band leader, just all around great dude. Always wants somebody that I want to have on stage with me. he plays for,
00:46:20
Speaker
20, 30 different people. like He's one of those guys that plays three or four shows a day and just he love loves what he does. i mean he i mean he has he literally He doesn't have a car. He he lives in an apartment downtown. He walk buses he walks down to Broadway every day.
00:46:36
Speaker
He just walks down there and ages and he's crushing it, you know? but um yeah um So, like, I mean, yeah, he's my first call. And then if he's not available, then I have other bass players, you know, in such and such order or whatever. So, like, I have my regular guys and girls that ah that I play with. And then, you know, from there, if they're if they're unavailable, because they're not going to turn down work, you know, if they can get, if they get asked to go play some, you know, big show in Florida that that pays, you know, $1,000, they're going to take that. And I expect i would expect them to. Oh, yeah. yeah great Yeah, when you make it big and you've got like label money behind you, then you can afford to take, you know, get your band members on a retainer and like, okay, like the label is going to pay you x not X amount per week to make sure you're on this tour, blah, blah, blah.
00:47:21
Speaker
um You just got to, you know, say that you'll be there. um But until then, you know, for those of us that are grinding it out on Broadway, you got to find players. But again, Back to the Broadway thing. Is it fun? No.
00:47:33
Speaker
But having to find players and mitigate other schedules and make sure everyone gets paid and make sure I've got all the positions filled for every single gig, no matter who's on tour with who and who's where...
00:47:50
Speaker
it makes you a better band leader. It makes you understand the logistics of playing and touring and everything else. And when it comes time for you to play that big show, you're not going to be scrambling to figure out um who plays bass and how do I know if they're good?
00:48:07
Speaker
I have a freaking list. I have a i mean, I've got 10 different people that I can text right now and I know they can crush any gig that book. So, yeah you know, again, going back to the Broadway thing, is it fun?
00:48:21
Speaker
No. Does it benefit you? Yes. but Yeah, I mean, exactly. And in that networking, like you said, you know, you wouldn't have that luxury of having a depth chart, so to say, of bass players, guitar players, drummers, whatever, you know, if you weren't down there grinding out and you weren't down there networking and and you're busting your ass um and doing the the you know the the Broadway grind So, yeah, I mean, that and then ah at the end of the day, if opportunity presents itself and you I'll say when you blow up, you know, it's like, all right, these are the guys I want to take on the road with me. You know, without yeah and I mean, that and that's that theyre right there. Here we go on another little side tangent. That's a whole nother can of worms. Like these are the people I want to take on the road with me.
00:49:10
Speaker
Playing a gig downtown with somebody. OK, we meet up at the at the show at the venue. We do our sound check. We play for four hours and then bye-bye. I'm going home. You're going home. Whatever.
00:49:21
Speaker
That is very different than spending every waking hour with someone. We eat every meal together. We're staying on the tour bus together. Like if you snore, I'm going to hear it. If I fart, you're going to hear it. Like that's a whole different level.
00:49:34
Speaker
And so when when you're doing this every day and you're, you're meeting those people and you're spending a lot of time with those people, you really you don't just You don't just find like the people that you think are the best players. You also find the players that you think are the best people.
00:49:51
Speaker
o I'm going to say my bass player, Logan Hatcher, like like that's my boy. That's my friend. edit i mean i would you know i would go fight the devil with a plastic fork for him.
00:50:03
Speaker
i yeah. And so i know that Logan and I could could be on a tour for however many weeks on ah on a bus and be fine. You know, Nick Shearer, my lead guitar player, we were literally on tour in Florida on a tour bus for five days straight, like sleeping right next to each other. I know we could, I mean, and, you know, so you you have time, when you grind it out, you you're able to experience those things and, you know,
00:50:34
Speaker
It's better to do that before you actually have a big tour. Like, hey, we want you to go open up for Cody Johnson. That's a big tour. You're going to be playing stadiums. You need a team and a band and everything, you're going to be on a tour bus.
00:50:46
Speaker
That is not the time to start figuring out who your people are. That is a bad time. You're you're four days in, and you guys are ready to kill each other. you know so Yeah, the SEAL teams don't wait for wartime to start training. like and and Yeah, exactly. They're ready to go. Drop a hat, ready to go. No, absolutely.
Connecting with Fans and the Artist-Fan Relationship
00:51:09
Speaker
Obviously, being a musician is not the same as being a SEAL. but Yeah, no, exactly. But, you know, it's the concept is there. Like, you want to be ready. You want to know that you're going to have people that you can tolerate, people you're going to enjoy being around.
00:51:24
Speaker
and And not only that, but you know you can count on them, and they're going to be kick-ass musicians because you know at the end of the day you're you're the you're the front man. They got to follow your lead, and they got to keep up with you.
00:51:38
Speaker
So you know that brings me to stage presence. I probably already know the answer to this but just, just, just by, you know, I've seen a little, you know, I've seen social media that look at you, look at you with the Mohawk and the beard and everything like that. What is your stage presence?
00:51:57
Speaker
Like, are you kind of all over the place or does it just depend on the venue and the environment? Yeah, really it really depends on the venue, depends on the crowd, depends on like, Depends on a lot of things. Like, you know, like an acoustic, like my stage presence in the listening room is going to be very stoic, very serious, very controlled. You know, I'm going be sitting on a stool and I'm gonna be telling stories and I'm going be really focused on making sure the message is heard.
00:52:29
Speaker
my stage presence on a festival stage in Florida, when it's nice outside and everybody's ready to jump around, I'm i'm gonna be jumping around, gonna be having a good time and everything else. like And down on Broadway, i like I like to move around a lot. um you know It really depends and I feed on crowd energy. So like if I, you know which, you know, there's five people there and they're paying attention and they're, they're in it.
00:52:54
Speaker
Like I'm still going to perform for them as best I can, but yeah a big crowd that is, that is invested and having a great time and singing along and swaying back and forth like that, that right there, like that'll just energize anybody. I feel like that should energize anybody that really pumps me up. So yeah, it it depends a lot, you know, on,
00:53:15
Speaker
on a lot of things. and i mean there have been And there have been plenty of times when like, I'd be sick. Like, We don't get sick days. That's s one of the your live As a musician, you know especially as a guitar player, if I'm sick, I can still get through a gig. I can play guitar. you know I'm not feeling great, but I can i can get through it.
00:53:37
Speaker
As a singer, my my sinuses are stuffed up. I got a headache. That's hard to push through. like like it's it's It's bad. and It only gets worse the more you push through it. so um That can affect stage presence sometimes. like When you just feel like crap, you just don't want to do it. but I try and keep it try and keep it as lively as I can.
00:53:58
Speaker
i love having fun. It's fun, too. like Yeah, and as ah as ah as a fan, you know I speak from the fan's perspective here. it's it's It's awesome when you see somebody.
00:54:10
Speaker
It doesn't matter if there's 10,000 people there or or there's 10 people there. You have that same, and it's always those 10 people are in it, obviously. But you know if you have that same stage presence where you're having a good time,
00:54:22
Speaker
the crowd's gonna have a good time they're there for the experience ultimately yeah they want to hear your songs but they're also there for an experience because i can go listen to your songs all day every day you know in my car or at work or sitting here at my desk doing whatever um i think that's a big thing for like fans and and i love when entertainers say that like, yeah, that fuck it. I don't care if there's five people there. If there's 5,000 people there, this is this is the animal you get. yeah so yeah oh and And I've seen that firsthand a couple of times with a couple of local bands.
00:54:57
Speaker
ah I was friends with a band locally here. And the first time I seen them, we were at a big venue. They were at a big venue, probably thousand people there, 1,500 people there.
00:55:08
Speaker
And then the very next weekend they were playing at some little podunk bar in the middle of nowhere here in Ohio. And it was literally like 10 people there who had no idea who these kids were. And this dude was running around the bar. it was like a bar slash restaurant.
00:55:23
Speaker
He's running around. he's He's dancing. He's doing his thing. And by their third, fourth song, this this small crowd of people who had no idea who they were, they were in it.
00:55:34
Speaker
And they were like, they were having a good time. You know? That's the mission. Yeah, and that's that's great when an entertainer can do that. are you um Are you big on fan interaction like after a show or before a gig? Do you try to spend some time with fans? I love being able to do that. like ah and when i When I come off stage and people come up and and want to want to chat, want to take pictures, want to ask questions and stuff like that, like I love that. i mean that just that that means like That means my music connected with them in some way.
00:56:07
Speaker
and And sharing the healing power of music is my goal for life, like just to share the healing power of music. And like, if I'm able to connect with somebody to the point that that they want to come up and say hi, and, and you know, that that's that's, I love that. I love, especially with kids. I love interacting with kids.
00:56:26
Speaker
They're so much fun. It was a little girl dancing with her daddy today at Jelly Rolls while we were playing. And I love that, so. No, that's that's awesome. You know, uh, Again, ah for for a fan, you know, that that's not that's there's no better experience when you're like and I'm really liking these guys and and then you get to meet them and you get to see them in person and they're you know, they're willing to hang out and chat maybe have a beer with you. Yeah, whatever that that's so cool you know, they're doing the best they can to
00:56:59
Speaker
interact with the crowd, you know, after the show. it could be a little overwhelming. Yeah, and i mean I mean, and that can really, like, that can really change your opinion about somebody as an artist. I mean, i'm I'm, me personally, like, 1,000%. That is me 1,000%. Like, if I interact with an artist, somebody that I've been listening to, and somebody that I just, I love their music, I love their songwriting, and I love their their show, and blah blah blah, blah, blah, and then I meet them, and they're a dick,
00:57:29
Speaker
I'm not going to listen to them anymore. Like that, that will completely just change the way I look at them, the way I look at their music. Like I'll give, I'll give an example. i'm give you, I'm gonna give positive examples. I'm not gonna start enough crap with nobody, bite but but like Nate Smith, Nate Smith is one of the most humble, wholesome human beings I've ever met.
00:57:47
Speaker
And that guy is just, he's just so cool, so easy to talk to. And so easy to interact with. And so just, just a fun loving guy. And just, you know, and And so like it just, it puts, i I look at him through that lens and I listen to his music through that that lens and it's like, I love his music because even if he put out a song that maybe a different version of me wouldn't have liked, I like him as a person.
00:58:11
Speaker
And there are other artists that I have loved their music and then I meet them and they suck as a person and I'm like, eh, I'm not even going to listen you anymore. ah Yeah. so Exactly. a hundred percent. And you know,
00:58:26
Speaker
<unk>ve I've had both the good and bad. I mean, even, even trying to book for, know, I do this show and I just recently started interviewing or hanging out with comedians and people in the movies and television world, ah you know, doing different shows.
00:58:41
Speaker
And, uh, trying to book guests and because it's, it's nerve wracking for me because here I am some nobody jerk off with a podcast. Like, Hey, you want to come on my show? You know? ah And you know, sometimes nobody responds, but I've, I've gotten, I'll call it big time to couple times and I'm like, wow, Dick move.
00:59:03
Speaker
I'm not going to listen to your shit no more. You know, you know, I had a comedian actor, just completely blow me off, like complete dick move.
00:59:17
Speaker
And I was like, Oh, cool. You know, I've talked about you on shows and I follow you and support you on unfollow. I'm done. I can't do that. now yeah But then I've had experiences where it's like, I've met former guests of this show because I have a, I have a rule if, if, unless, you know, I'm out traveling, but if you're playing anywhere within three to four hour drive window, you're,
00:59:41
Speaker
from where I'm at, I'm going to do everything in my power to come see you. you know I want to not only support you guys by playing your music um here on on the network or having you guys on as guests,
00:59:52
Speaker
i want to come and pay and see you get performed maybe buy some merch which you got some kick-ass merch by the way thank you ah you know um so i've been lucky that some of my guests on here i've i've got the chance to go see and there's a list of more that i want to go see um and the interactions have been amazing which like you said you might put something out that Yeah, but I'm still going listen to it.
01:00:21
Speaker
I'm still going like it. And yeah that makes the experience all all that much better when the artist is also a cool human being on the flip side. they're They're just as real and genuine as as they are when you see them on shows like this or when you see them on their social media and everything like that. It's like, oh, this is a real dude. This is a cool ass dude. yeah Yeah. That makes a big difference for me for sure.
01:00:48
Speaker
um Speaking of the social media, unnecessary evil. how um How do you approach social media?
01:01:01
Speaker
Man, i grew up I grew up in the backwoods of Conway, South Carolina. I spent my childhood running around in the woods barefoot with my brother, shooting at each other with BB guns and hunting squirrels and, you know,
01:01:18
Speaker
picking tobacco leaves from the field next door and trying to roll our own cigarettes and not get caught.
Social Media's Impact on Musicians and Society
01:01:22
Speaker
Like riding down, we would ride, we would ride five miles, five, 10 miles down to Sam Cluess's store to get a hot dog and a Mountain Dew on our bikes and then ride back.
01:01:35
Speaker
And our parents, like they knew we were out riding bikes and we'd be back when the sun came down or like before the sun came down. Like, that's what I grew up. That's that's how I grew up, you know?
01:01:46
Speaker
I didn't have a cell phone until I was in high school. And this is, I was in high i started high school and in 99. I didn't have a cell phone until then. And I had a cell phone because I had a job.
01:02:00
Speaker
And I bought my minutes at the Walmart and I'd scratch off the little thing. You had to like type it in and get your minutes so you could text. I had to be careful how many takes times I texted my girlfriend because I didn didn't want to run out of minutes not being able to text my parents, you know? But...
01:02:14
Speaker
yeah And and there was ah that was a Nokia 4310 or whatever it was. And the only game that it had was Snake and it wasn't even a color screen. So I yeah i didn't grow up. I didn't grow up with social media. I didn't have, I had, I started my my MySpace account when I was in Iraq in 2006 because I wanted to keep up with my, wouldn't be able to message my family and my girlfriend at the time. And then people just started to add you and then MySpace was a thing. And then Facebook came along and that was the thing.
01:02:41
Speaker
I hate what it has done to our world. I hate what it has done to the music industry. I hate what it has done to people's perception of reality. You got little boys and little girls that judge themselves and their worth based on what they see on social media.
01:03:04
Speaker
a little Little, you know, young young girls and women, I mean, adult women all the same and and men, everybody really. yeah This is a pandemic, if you will.
01:03:15
Speaker
they You post something on on on Instagram and you only get like two likes and then you see that somebody else posted something and they get 2,000 likes. And in your head, you're like,
01:03:28
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Why am I not good? Why are they good and I'm not good? Like, what am I not doing that they're doing? Do I need to do what they do? Do I need to be like them? And there's this this false sense of of of validation in the number of likes and followers and whatever else that you get. And there's this false sense of invalidation from not getting the followers and the likes and whatever else. I think it's stupid.
01:03:54
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i've I use it. The only thing that i can say that I like about social media is it gives you a platform. if you so choose to use it in a positive way, it gives you a platform to split spread a message to, to a lot of people in a very short period of time. And I think that's, that is a great thing.
01:04:12
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Um, I just think it's been, it's been used very poorly. It's been, um, you know I don't think that kids, especially at young ages when they're still developing, I don't think kids should should be on it and should have anything to do with it because it just skews their perception of reality.
01:04:31
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And um it's disgusting. um is's just It's just, it's one of those things that in in this industry, it is a necessary evil. It's a way that we promote music. It's a way that we spread our message. It's the way that we get seen. And and it it is a way, can be a way that we can yeah get paid and make money. But um I hate what it does to to people. I hate what it does to artists. I hate what it does to relationships. You know, it's, it's, it's,
01:05:00
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i don't know. you You can paint, you can paint a lot of pictures on social media and make people believe a lot of things that aren't true. And now yeah I couldn't agree with you more. And I've said that a million times, you know, uh, as, as an entertainer bump myself in there as well, it's a necessary evil.
01:05:22
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And, you know, we, we actually had a conversation about it a couple of weeks back because, um, somebody on one of my panels asked, what do you think is wrong with the world today?
01:05:35
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And I said, social media, the fucking internet. I said, you know, gives people who shouldn't have platforms platforms. And, you know, like you just said, you know, and and I've, and I've fallen into that. I've, I've let that monster get ahold of me a couple of times where it's like,
01:05:53
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I'm over here putting out some real, raw, authentic content, and you but i get a couple hundred views, maybe a few likes, and then some jerk-off puts up a video that's been circulated a million times and gets 200,000 views. you know yeah You know, what the hell? I'm like, come on, man. I'll bust ass over here.
01:06:16
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Yeah, but i I completely understand. I can't say that i i same thing happens to me. And I fall into that same um that same trap of of you know looking at other people, comparing. Comparison is the stealer of joy.
01:06:35
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like and I fall into that trap. you know I look at artists that are that are that are putting out music that the just... somebody thinks it's good. Somebody thinks it's good. I'm not, so I'm not going to sit here and just bash another artist's creation. Like everybody's trying to be creative, but I'll, I'll see things that are, that are posted that just, I don't think are very good or or don't have a lot of time and effort put into them or or whatever else it is.
01:07:03
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Just comparing it to myself is like, I think what I'm doing or what what what I'm putting out or what I'm sharing is of a higher quality than what I'm seeing and i'm you know it's not getting put into the algorithm or whatever. And so, yeah, I mean, that's it's it's it's always there.
01:07:22
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That you can't avoid. I don't feel like you can really avoid that. No, unfortunately, and and and I'll tell you, as ah as a fan, as a consumer, I'm right there. There's a lot of there's a lot of shit music out there, and there's a lot of... i i find myself a lot of times scratching my head going,
01:07:42
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the fuck did you get famous? you know You've got to be like, what a you know do a little social media search, and it's like, you've got to be one of the laziest goddamn people out there, just and you're you're blowing up everywhere. and did You got people that had a viral video.
01:07:59
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Yeah. don' know And honestly, i mean it's a problem. it's It's not just a problem with social media. It's a problem within our society. it's a problem within the world and and the whole world. is like That's what people want to see.
01:08:12
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You can't be mad at the general public for for them preferring this video to yours. That's what they want to see. Yeah. Like you would you would rather see two monkeys fighting over a toy truck in a parking lot.
01:08:28
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than to see me pouring my heart out in a song. that That's just what people wanna see. People have short attention spans and they scroll through the phone. Like I don't scroll. is very If I'm scrolling and if you if you you see me just randomly like one of your posts or something, I'm scrolling on Instagram, I'm taking a poop. That's what it is.
01:08:47
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That's the only time I'm on there. i don't I don't sit around and just scroll on my phone. I have no desire to do that, but people do that.
01:08:58
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Lots of people do that and they just want to see something short and funny
AI's Influence on the Music Industry
01:09:02
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and catchy. They just want boom, dopamine, boom, dopamine, dopamine, dopamine. now that's You know, and that's, I use, I use my iron Instagram and as a tool to find guests and thank God algorithms, you know, they they're based off of what you like, who you follow and everything like that.
01:09:22
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So yeah, I'm the same way. I've YouTube is my favorite place to go. because ah i have my rabbit holes that I fall into and whatnot.
01:09:33
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But it's very rare. I'm with you. It's very rare that I'm just aimlessly scrolling social media. If if I'm on my phone, I'm probably playing a game. And if I'm pooping, i I'm on YouTube. i get yelled at because... If I'm on my phone, I'm probably booking it i'm booking a show or I'm yeah writing a song or I'm texting people for playing a show or something like...
01:09:55
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ah so i'm on i'm honest I'm on this thing a lot more than I want to be, but it's it's business. business Yeah, and I find myself doing that more and more. yeah if i'm on if I'm on Instagram or Facebook, it's I'm booking guests. I'm trying to book guests. I'm booking guests for three shows, potentially five shows. If we start dabbling into booking, my son and I do a wrestling show, and then I do a sports show as well.
01:10:21
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And we've dabbled and talked about the idea of booking wrestlers or people and athletes and whatnot. So it's just like, I use it as a tool more than anything or just to mindlessly play stupid games because I have anxious and I need to calm down. So I'm fidgeting and I might as well play this stupid game and relax.
01:10:45
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But, um, was to ask you this. Oh, speaking of Not so much social media, but as a as a musician and a songwriter and stuff like that, ah this this new concept, this new idea, and not really new, but every it's all a sudden catching fire and everybody's doing it.
01:11:06
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Freaking AI. And I know I'm guilty of it. I use AI to do my intros, but most of the lyrics i've I've written and I'm no songwriter by no means. So my intros are kind of dumb and goofy, but it gives me time to share on social media.
01:11:19
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Yeah, I dig it. but Yeah, but also don't want to be that douchebag and go, hey, I know you were just on my show. You want to do an intro for me? You know, but ah how do you feel about the AI and and stepping on your guys' toes like the the true musicians?
01:11:39
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a spoting I had somebody the other day. They're like, I want you to listen to this song. like I've been listening to this song on Spotify. blah blah bla And they put it on. It took two words for me to be like, that's AI.
01:11:51
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They're like, oh yeah, I know, but it sounds really cool.
01:11:56
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They're human beings. yeah that are That are spending their days, spending hours of their days teaming up together and pouring their hearts out to make songs about life lived and and experiences and just things to relate to you as a person.
01:12:16
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And you're listening to a computer. Yeah.
01:12:21
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And somebody's making money off of that. like I mean, like there's i mean so I'm sure there's a real person that owns the AI thing that that is, I don't know. i don't know how that works. i like I like using Suno to make work tapes after I've written a song.
01:12:36
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I do not use AI to help me write the song or write lyrics or anything like that. The only thing that um that i put into so yeah i put in I put in a work tape that we've already recorded um And then we let it kind of make something more out of it. But that's the extent to which I use AI. Like, I don't i don't like it being in the songwriting space. I don't think it has any business.
01:13:04
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I mean, people are streaming songs like crazy that are AI. And it's just, and it's like it's like um when you go to a restaurant, instead of someone taking your order, there's just a kiosk.
01:13:19
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And you just place your order at the kiosk. And most of the time you don't think anything of that. Like you're like, okay, well that's, you know, that's easy. I can just place my order. That's somebody's job. That was, yeah that was somebody's, somebody's job that they don't have anymore that that they would use to provide for their family with like,
01:13:36
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and a machine replace them. Like the more we do that, I mean, if you make yourself replaceable, I guess, hello songwriters, hey, if you're listening to me right now, if we let AI start doing our job, if we give AI what it means to do our job and to write songs for us or as good as us or better than us or whatever else, we won't have a job anymore.
01:13:56
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If you make yourself replaceable, you will get replaced. Yeah, 100%. And that's the crazy thing. You know, you look at some of the Spotify charts and some of the charts, your top two, three songs or bands or artists, they're AI.
01:14:15
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Like, yeah it blows. And I have gotten suckered a couple times. i'm like, damn, this is fucking awesome. I want to go check these guys out. But as soon as you hit their social media, it's like, son of a bitch.
01:14:29
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Are you serious? and it Yeah. I can hear it i can it. It only takes like two words for me to hear, whether it's AI or if it's an actual person singing. yeah as As a singer, i can I can just pick it out. and and just As soon as I know that it's AI, I'm like, oh, Skip. we we add I've gotten better at you know being able to to to tell right off the rip.
01:14:53
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and Good Lord, man. How do I get out of this this algorithm of... of bullshit because like you said, there's, you know, I've, I've got friends in the music industry, absolutely phenomenal artists that blow AI out of the water, but they're just, and, uh, floating, you know, and, then ah and, in the social media world or in the internet, like not really finding their spot, so to say, because AI is just completely taken over.
01:15:30
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Um, Robots, so to say I seen recently that they've some restaurants are introducing robot waiters Yeah, what the hell Yeah, I don't want know talk that um
01:15:51
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I'm sure you you know you mentioned earlier you've got to write with some amazing writers and and and I think that's a really cool thing that a lot of artists have talked about from being down there in Nashville, those writer circles and stuff like that.
01:16:04
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Do you have anybody on your, on your, on your list, your bucket list that you haven't had a chance to write with that you would really love to get the opportunity to sit down and. I mean, I would love to pick Ashley Gorley's brain. Ashley Gorley is the best songwriter that ever graced the face of this earth. you can fight me.
01:16:23
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um but Yeah, lot lot of i mean a lot of folks, like when you when you think about songwriting, there's an argument to be made that like some of the greatest songwriters are from previous generations. you know just With what they had to work with and what they were able to do, you know yes. yeah and i mean Tim Nichols, I would love to write with Tim Nichols.
01:16:43
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um I got to meet him down in Georgia. He's a great dude. I love his music and love to write with him. but like Ashley Gorley's got like 80-something number ones.
01:16:54
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Oh, wow. he's mastered it. Like there's, you know, like your, who, who you think is the best songwriter of history may be skewed by who your favorite artist is or whatever else. And he's written so many freaking country hits by so many different artists. He's written like all of Morgan Wallen's hits. Like he's just, he like figured out what the code was. He, he broke the code and he's just, he can just like hit, just put together, hit, put together, hit, put together, hit. So I would love to pick his brain. I would love to write with Tim Nichols. um
01:17:27
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I would have loved, loved, loved to to written to have had the chance to write with with Toby Keith. My favorite country artist of all time, Toby Keith. and he's He's gone too soon. but Absolutely. yeah ah i've had I've had the opportunity to to to meet some some really really awesome writers. and i mean They're they're all incredible in their own right. And just, like I said, so many different life experiences. Yeah.
01:18:00
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yeah I think, I think that's what I say is, you know, like you said, being able to pull so much from other people and, and, and learn, you know, you know how right but Shout out to
Partnerships Supporting Veterans and Upcoming Projects
01:18:14
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Toby Keith. A strike well earned and definitely deserved on YouTube after Toby Keith died. I did a a tribute show to Toby Keith who played a bunch of his music. And About five minutes after the show was over, I got that nice long email from YouTube explaining that I had a strike on my page. And, you know, it'll be gone in X amount of days. But if you get another strike, I was like, I don't care.
01:18:42
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it was ah It was deserved. And and i'll take I'll take that X. yeah Because and so I was a huge fan of Toby Keith. I loved his music. Even when he dabbled in acting, I thought he was a you know he was a good actor and just seemed like an all-around genuine good fucking dude.
01:19:01
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Yeah, when ah for he yeah the the Legion here, the Legion that I'm a member of, like they decided to do a Toby Keith tribute show um to raise money for Operation Stand Down and they they asked me to headline it. So it's, it was, I love Toby Keith. I love doing his music. i I love playing his songs and just, and if you look, if you look, if you look at his most of his songs, he either wrote or co-wrote almost all of his songs and like his hits and everything else. Like he was a hell of a writer. He wasn't just a performer and just an artist. He was a hell of a writer.
01:19:37
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Yeah. No, no doubt about that. Um, I seen the other day on social media, um you have you were you were opening a box, and you you recently you recently partnered with Operation Hat Trick.
01:19:55
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Yes. Thank you. yeah do you want i was I was going to comment and ask and I'm like, no, I'm going to have him on the show. ah what is What is that? So Operation Hattrick uses co-branded merchandise. use Through the sale of co-branded merchandise, they raise money um to provide um funding for recovery programs for for veterans and for service members.
01:20:22
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um So it's very unique because you know a lot of a lot of veterans organizations that that provide services to veterans or to service members, they have to raise money. They have to go around, they have to ask people, hey, can you donate? Can you donate? Can you donate? Can you give us money so that we can do this thing?
01:20:38
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And they're all very worthy causes. And I donate to a lot of them and donate my time because those are my brothers and sisters. But what what OHT does is very unique in that they they sell co-branded merchandise.
01:20:50
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You're going to buy a Michigan hat anyway because you love Michigan. I'm going to buy a South Carolina hat anyway because I love South Carolina. But when I buy this South Carolina OHT hat, part of the proceeds go to OHT and then OHT uses that money to help service members and veterans. So it's instead of asking for you to give money, they're just asking you to buy something that you were going to buy anyway that has their brand on it.
01:21:15
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Oh, hell yeah. That's awesome. yeah do they and Do they have a ah website or anything like is that? like you go to Oh, yeah. oh you yeah you You can get, I mean, I'm pretty sure it's just Operation Hat Trick. Before I mess it up.
01:21:41
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Yeah, seen that. You're over the box. OperationHatTrick.org. Yeah, OperationHatTrick.org is the website. And they got all kind of cool stuff. And then, like I said, the the mission, um support the recovery of wounded service members and veterans by funding essential care through the sale of co-branded merchandise.
01:21:58
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Every purchase helps fill some critical gaps in care. that's That's the mission. It's OperationHatTrick.org. And um I'm going to have some some OHT Brooks Herring merch that's going to be added to the website soon.
01:22:11
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we're partnering with them in Coliseum. Coliseum does a ton of merchandise with OHT. yeah We're going to putting some some OHT merchandise on the Brooks Herring website. But I mean, you can get, you know, you can get university swag, like, you know, like your university team or whatever, you can get um ah professional sports and and all kinds of different stuff. There's all kinds of OHT swag out there that you can get.
01:22:34
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can find a lot of that through their website and this is really cool stuff. And every time that you buy something, again, something that's really cool that you would buy anyway, you're helping fund essential care for for veterans and service members.
01:22:48
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Yeah, that's, that's awesome for anybody, you know, watching, listening, you know, we all We all want to, you know, sometimes, you know, we wish we could do more for our vets, um and and as as we should.
01:23:01
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But like you just said, you're already buying the shit anyways, you know? Yeah. Why not, do you know, go go through Operation Hattrick and get your, you know, whatever your team is or, you know, thing they may, because you guys you got a couple pretty cool hats in that box. I was like, oh, that I like that.
01:23:19
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I was just wearing one yesterday. I was i was wearing one of them, the the one with the scrambled eggs. i was wearing that one all day yesterday. i like that blanket, but I feel like I'd have to order a house full of blankets. That that blanket. going to tell you right now, that blanket is so comfortable.
01:23:36
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So comfortable. it's yeah I opened up i opened up the blanket and I just like held it to my face. i was like, oh no. It got me. you know I seen that and I was like, ooh, that would be nice to have. I feel like there would be a war in this house if there was only one. yeah but Yeah. like Operation Hattrick, I can show you like me partnerships with Anchor and Bean, Coliseum, Fanatics. ah Hit a button.
01:24:04
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Frost Buddy, Indigo Falls, Zephyr Hats, Boston Pro Shop, Amazon, Logo Brands, Northwest, 47 Hats, Retro Brand, Lids, Rally House, Kohl's, Shields, Academy, Stadium Spot. like The list goes on and on and on. I mean, there's so many different partnerships that they have.
01:24:25
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There's some big names in that partnership. Sig Sauer in there. oh nice okay Get your pew-pews. Who doesn't like a new pew-pew every now and then?
01:24:42
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Oh, yeah. Gotta have it. Gotta have one in every room. he's a what I couldn't agree. Nice. We currently have three. There you go.
01:24:56
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We were talking about, are you going to bed, bud? Love you. Night.
01:25:04
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Um, yeah, always on dad duty. Um, no, we were just talking about that. We're like, well, we get back for vacation. There's two things we need to focus on.
01:25:16
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Uh, tattoos, because I want to get my arms finished. And, uh, my girlfriend wants a couple new pews. And I'm like, well, if you get new ones, I get a new one. there So one for each of you.
01:25:31
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Yeah, exactly. We, uh, we are definitely not shy about that in this household and everybody here in this house knows, uh, knows where they are and how to use them and everything else. So but but but as it no, man, I, I mean, obviously you're a veteran, you're going to do everything you can, but I love that you, you know, throw that out there. Are you partnered up with them? Um,
01:25:55
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Or were you yeah you just, like yeah, I'm, I'm partnered up with operation hat trick. Um, I also work with creative vets, uh, memories of honor. Oh, yeah. Um, guitars for vets, excuse me, uh, operation encore operation song, like, um, musicians on call. There's a lot of different organizations that I work with, uh, here, here in Nashville and and wherever I go. Like, um, that's just, um,
01:26:23
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you know so continuing to serve my my veteran military family is just just what I want to do all all yeah all the time. so any Any organization that I can partner with to to continue that mission, i'm i'm on board.
01:26:38
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i love that. yeah like that i never I never served, but you know i've I've had a couple opportunities to partake in events and whatnot. it's It's such a crazy feeling. a ah I got to was a wounded warrior, a local wounded warrior thing.
01:26:57
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Um, we're one of the bands that I had on here and I don't, I don't, I don't get on stage. I'm happy right here in my little, my little studio. And so, and I opened my big fat mouth and put my mouth in it or put my foot in it. And I wound up MC in this show, but to get to ask the vets that were there and, and, and to spend some time with them, you know before during and after the show and everything like that it it was something else it was an emotional ride i won't lie to it was it was an emotional roller coaster um but it was it was it was a fun event and to say that i got to be a part of it was really cool um so we definitely got that up there operation hat trick dot org
01:27:43
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Make sure you guys check it out. Like, like Brooke said, you're ordering the shit anyways, you know, and they're partnered up with some big names. I'm a huge fan of fanatics. I get all my, all my sports stuff from fanatics. Yeah. So sports and wrestling apparel.
01:27:59
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So now I have another reason to go there. There you go. Support the mission, baby. Maybe they'll have some OHT men's national championship gear when Michigan wins this year. There you go. a Now, you personally, you you're a busy, busy guy.
01:28:22
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What do you got coming up? Music-wise, show-wise, you planning it on hitting the road this summer? Or do you have plans already? I'll be in Georgia this coming weekend. I mean, I'm going to be all over the place this summer.
01:28:35
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um Best place to find my shows, my my my calendar and everything else is just going to brooksherringmusic.com. I know Kayla put it in the chat um earlier. Appreciate that.
01:28:46
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And that's got, I mean, that's got links to my music. It's got, um you know, ah the the tour schedule. Everything's right there on the website. So anytime we book something new, once we get all the details finalized, we put it up there.
01:28:58
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um New music. I got a new song coming out on April the 10th. um went on a creative vets retreat to park city utah to the national ability center back in 2024 got to write with a with an awesome group of veterans and um one of the things that we bonded over was we we all went overseas we all fought we all bled But we all came back with all 10 fingers and toes and we we feel guilty about that.
01:29:26
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And we came back all in one piece and we had friends that that came back missing pieces of their bodies. We had friends that came back missing pieces of their minds and and we had friends that didn't make it home at all.
01:29:38
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and ah And that carries a weight with it, you know, and we all feel feel guilty about that. um But we all believe that we're left here for a reason.
01:29:50
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And that we are here to leave a positive mark on this world so that their sacrifice would never be in vain. And we took that and we put it into a song and it's called Leave a Mark.
01:30:00
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And it's going to be coming out on April the 10th. It'll be a co-release with Creative Vets. um Really excited about that. so that ah That link is is also, I mean, that to to pre-save it. And if you go on my Instagram or any social media, um that link tree is there. And it's got the the link to pre-save that song. So I'm looking forward to being able to to share that one with the world.
01:30:24
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I'm also in the process of recording a six-song EP um with Label 22. And we'll be doing two six-song EPs that will combine to make one 12-song album. And that in its entirety should be done this year. So we're probably looking at like a May-June release of the first half and then um like September-October release of the second half.
01:30:50
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Oh, yeah. When do you find time to rest? Oh, you know. and don't. like There'll be sometimes there'll be like a, there'll be a ah ah random day when ah something happens with travel, like, ah or something like my so show schedule changes, something gets canceled or whatever. And it's too late to like add anything. And I'll just be, I'll just sleep.
01:31:17
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I'll just like either sleep or just lay around the house. I mean, just take advantage of that one day and just like try and recharge the batteries for the next three weeks. Absolutely. I heard that. And then so know and then caffeine, baby, caffeine.
01:31:31
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hip know Yeah, Yeah. Caffeine is definitely a ah lifesaver. that's That's for sure. yeah yeah I recently discovered new energy energy drinks that I can drink and it doesn't make me all jittery and shaky and it's there's no crash and My kids been making fun of me because now apparently I'm a pretty lady because it's the Alani ones. so but whatever, dude, you know what? They're delicious. And they give me that little extra oomph that I need.
01:32:05
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be You know, I can't do the monster or anything like that. So give me a little extra oomph that will pick me up in the morning. No, dude, I'm looking forward to the, uh, to the music and I'm,
01:32:16
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Pretty sure. I know somebody is going to keeping an eye on your schedule to see where you're going to be at on the road. I like it. I dig it. I hope to see you all soon.
01:32:27
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Yeah, definitely get out and see. and Eventually, i i'll make my war we'll make our way down to Nashville. so I've never been down to Nashville. It was a good time. um and like and Like I said, like it's ah it's a drink in town with ah with a music problem. There's plenty of bars to see.
01:32:44
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There's also a lot there's a lot to do outside of Broadway. there There are a lot of things to experience here in Nashville that a lot of people don't typically see or experience because they're bar hopping up and down Broadway and that's that's the entirety of their experience.
01:32:57
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um so i mean there's There's a lot of cool stuff in Nashville to to check out. a lot of cool places to see a lot of history and everything. Yeah. So I got to have one of my favorite things to do when I come into a new city. I didn't get this big this big for no reason. where If I'm down there, where do I go eat at?
01:33:17
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Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm
01:33:24
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i love i love ja the local if you're gonna be if you're gonna be downtown if you're gonna be downtown okay you got and villa castriioi which is third andcommerce um incredible Italian food.
01:33:38
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On 2nd Avenue, you got matheson's Matheson's homemade ice cream, homemade desserts. um they'll do like ah They'll make a milkshake with espresso instead of milk. So it's like an espresso shake. It's amazing.
01:33:53
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There's a place actually right here in LA. That's where I i live in LA. It's called Lower Antioch. ah there's a place around the corner from my house it's called meatville smoking meatville smoking and they they i mean they do beef brisket beef ribs lamb ribs lamb shank and it is so freaking good so good you're speaking definitely yeah i'm i'm a yeah i'm a connoisseur of of of smoked meats so like i love going there love doing that
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01:34:32
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Brown's Diner, Brown's Diner over by Belmont. That's another little hidden gem. i love that. Breakfast burrito over there. Smashing. Amazing. um Yeah, i mean, i um I'm saying I can spend, if I had, you know, just time to like sit and think, i'm I could like go through my like my memories of food, you know, different food. but I'm the same way. I'm a food guy. i love I love to eat. I love to eat. Like,
01:34:58
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you know i i I work out as much as I can to try and stay fit. and i was like i don't I'm a singer. I don't work out to to be a bodybuilder. i'm not I don't plan on competing in a bodybuilding competition. I work out like I do so that I can eat like I do.
01:35:12
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I love to eat, man. I'm telling you. that's That's my favorite thing to do when I got new places. is like We're going down to Florida next week, and I've already got at least one seafood place that I'm like, I don' i don't know we got plans, but I want to go here.
01:35:26
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you know if you if you get If you get close to the ocean, you got to have some seafood. Oh, yeah. and and And I was never a seafood guy. Like I told you before, you know I lived in Charleston for 10 years.
01:35:37
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And when I moved down there, I'm like, oh, you know, seafood, whatever. And I worked for Orkin down there. I was the bug guy. And I took care of downtown Charleston and the islands. Well, I learned real quick taking care the restaurants and stuff.
01:35:50
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You can't live down there and not appreciate seafood. Now I'm back home in Ohio. I won't even touch seafood. I'm so damn spoiled. I'm so damn spoiled from living in Charleston. No, i hear it like here in Nashville, I no disrespect any of the seafood places, but no.
01:36:08
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I'm not going to eat seafood in a landlocked state. No, exactly. what so No, you go get seafood and you do it was caught that morning or that afternoon and nothing beats you. up I'm sorry.
01:36:22
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Being a South Carolina guy, and I know you said you love some smoked meats and stuff. How does it compare to, because I'll tell you what, man, South Carolina turned me on to something something else with that with that barbecue game down there.
01:36:36
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um So I'm going to tell you this. now so um umm I'm tainted. um oh my family My family has been cooking barbecue for generations. um When I came back from Afghanistan in 2013, I opened a barbecue restaurant with my dad.
01:36:52
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and my dad cooks the best brisket and pork barbecue in the world. And nobody can nobody can convince me otherwise. no yeah I've eaten ah you know i've eaten a lot ah a lot of barbecue and brisket and ribs everything in my life.
01:37:08
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he's He's got it. like he's just that's it's It's a gift and he's got it. like i mean i can i got I smoked a butt in the smoker last night. I took it out this morning and pulled it. and it's It's delicious, but it still ain't dad's. like i mean like My dad's just got a gift. you know Is the still open?
01:37:26
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No, no, no. he's no he's He's retired and I'm doing music. and But but he's still kidding me he still cooks. like He still cooks for other people and does like big orders and stuff like that. and I mean, that man is that man has never cooked a bad meal.
01:37:43
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I'll tell you right now. Ohio's got pretty good barbecue. And I've eaten barbecue in few other places. When I moved to South Carolina, that was the first thing I did.
01:37:54
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go hit me up a barbecue joint and I don't know what they do down there. I don't know what they do. I got the recipes a little black book, but I can't tell you, you know, yeah but that due to it out there but they're doing it right. And, uh, man, i I'll tell you what, ah I, that was a good chunk of my, my, uh,
01:38:17
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My meals were barbecue or seafood when I lived down there. Yeah. and And then I come back to And i mean like I said, barbecue is good here in Ohio. Don't get me wrong. But, yeah, it's it's something different down there. a i can't I can't wait until I get back down to South Carolina. um and see you I got six years on my on my sentence here in Ohio. And with good behavior, I might get out of here a little early. We'll see.
01:38:43
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we go wait well du i got i got I got about um i got like two minutes before going have to jump off of here. Otherwise, I might be sleeping on the couch tonight. No, you're good, Buffalo. I was actually going to get ready and and and wrap this up. Before I let you go, man, I always ask my guests this, and it might be a little cheesy and it might be a little corny, but I don't care. I like it.
01:39:04
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um Any words of wisdom to anybody out there? um or And then also advice for maybe people who want to get into the music world, the music industry, and play music.
01:39:18
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Yeah. um Specifically for the music industry, one of the one of the one of the things that I, one of the the advice that I like to give is go all in or don't go at all.
01:39:32
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Like, the The people that that make it and and and really make it for the long haul and and like have the longevity to to not just make it, but to sustain it and to to do it as a career and be great um are the ones that are willing to put their heart and soul in it. Not just dip your foot in the water, but dive in.
01:39:51
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um The ones that are willing to grind every single day and and and not ask like... me to there's There's a big difference. There's a big, there's an attitude shift and there's a momentum shift between looking at, okay, I'm not making ah enough money to how do I make more money? Like, you know, I got, I'm not making enough as a musician to, to do the things that I want. So I should get another job. Or if it if it were me looking at it, I would say, I'm not making enough money as a musician to do the things that I want. So I need to elevate my game as a musician to make more money.
01:40:27
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or I need to cut out some of those things that I want that I don't need until I get to the next level. Go all in. If you want, if you have what it takes, if you genuinely believe that you have what it takes, and that's another thing, don't,
01:40:43
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don't get like, ah I don't know, I don't know how to really put that. Don't give yourself false hope. If you if you if you think you can sing, but everybody around you says, eh, it's not that good,
01:40:55
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don't Don't pump yourself up and and and let your ego get in the way of of your success because you may be you may be meant for something else and you may be meant for greatness in something else and it's not necessarily singing. But if you got if you really have, if people around you are like, man, you got this gift. like you need to You should do something with it. You should really attack that.
01:41:16
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and And it's something that you want to do. You got to put your heart and soul in it. and you got You got to jump in. You got to go all in. um Just give 100% of what you have. And you got to take risks. You got to, um you know, there there will be there will be days when you question whether or not it's worth it.
01:41:35
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You know, and and the people that are really successful are the ones that can push through that and and keep their eyes on the prize. You know, um consistency over intensity.
01:41:47
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Attitude and effort. you know like The only two things you can control every single day are attitude and effort. you know Things are going to happen to you every single day no matter what. like As long as you are alive, things will happen to you.
01:42:00
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You get to decide how you react to those things. Nobody does. You may not get to control everything in the world that happens to you or happens around you or happens to people that you love or are around you, but you get to decide how you react to those things. So attitude and effort, two things you control every single day. So I'd say that's the most universal advice I can give.
01:42:23
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Oh, yeah, man. I can dig it. I like it. All right, brother. I appreciate you coming on here, man. I had a great time talking to you. I'm looking forward to watching your success, continue to watch you grow, enjoying the music that you've put out so far and looking forward to more music and absolutely wish you nothing but the best, man. And anything we can do. Thank much, brother. I appreciate you.
01:42:47
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Anything we can do. Don't be a stranger. send stuff like, hey, man, this new song's out. We'll throw it up on our socials, obviously. You know, as long as you're okay with it, we're going to continue to play your music across the network as well. Please do. Absolutely. Yeah. No, I mean, that's, you know, i I want to reach as many people as I can. So, so every, every, every, every time you play it, it's appreciated.
01:43:11
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Absolutely. And, and you're welcome back anytime, man. I'll tell you that now the door's open anytime you want to come back. You got something you want to promote. You got some new stuff going on. I love bringing guests back, man. Uh, cause a lot of times we already know each other a little bit and and it's not yeah nearly as awkward or kind of like, maybe we just jump right in and hang out shoot your shit, promote what we got to promote. We'll have to want to do a live show when I make it back up there to Ohio.
01:43:37
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Uh, you, that is on my, that is on my list to do. i with an artist is to do a a pre-show interview and then, uh, do the show live and then maybe a host show little little post show a few minutes before and a few minutes after and and record the show live. So yeah. so Set ourselves up a little studio and a hotel room there and put in bay and we can and get all legit with it with the microphones and stuff. Yeah, man.
01:44:02
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our headphones on. you know like it all go all get all fancy with it yeah pi road with the thing Yeah. like joe open with it I'd be 100% down for that, man. That'd be cool.
01:44:19
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ah But yeah, we're going to be keeping an eye out and, you know, whether it's Put-In-Bay or it's somewhere somewhere else, you know, we can make the trip. We're going come out and see you, man. I can't wait to see you. love it.
01:44:31
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Hell yeah, brother. appreciate you. Absolutely. Guys, if you're not already, go make sure you check out Brooks. Give him a follow. BrooksHanningMusic.com. He's all over all the social medias. Drop in, say hello, say what's up. Let him let him know you're out there listening.
01:44:46
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Don't be shy.
01:44:50
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With that being said, brother, I'll let you jump down. I don't want to get you in trouble. I know mama's out there. She's cooking up dinner a little late for me so I can have hot food. it's so Oh, yeah. So I'll let you drop down.
01:45:03
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And I'll get out of here, man. Much love to you. I appreciate you. Absolutely. Appreciate you. All right. care. it it you what
01:45:12
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Bye. Thank you guys for hanging out.
01:45:17
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Go check out Brooks. Awesome dude. um Definitely had a great time hanging out with him. and And if you haven't had an opportunity to listen to his music, it jump on there and listen to it. It's everywhere. Um,
01:45:31
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I definitely appreciate you guys tuning in replay viewers. i love you guys. If you're watching on the replay, uh, make sure you drop a light, drop a comment. It'll help us out in the algorithms and it's free. If you like what we're doing around here, that's the best way to support us. Like share comment.
01:45:47
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Uh, let us know if you like what we're doing. Um,
01:45:53
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I can't get enough of these shows. I love meeting these musicians. I love meeting the entertainers and get to know a little bit about them and get to hang out with them. We get to see a little bit of a different side of them when they come up on here. I try to keep it light, try to keep it as loose as possible.
01:46:11
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So with that being said, I'll be back tomorrow night on what is tomorrow? Wednesday. Flick's Comedy Lounge. I have
01:46:25
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Oh, my goodness.
01:46:28
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or There it is. I have, excuse me, comedian Chad Smith coming in to hang out with me. this This comedy lounge has been crazy so far. I love hanging out with these comedians because they're loose cannons. So you definitely want to be there tomorrow night.
01:46:51
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Thursday Wally you're in the chit-chat. What are you doing Thursday? Or are you do you're not doing anything Thursday, right?
01:47:03
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I Don't know I can't remember well while while waiting a Wally did get back with me I would with your schedule because I think you're on vacation next week, too So I am out all next week. There's no shows for me Monday Tuesday or Wednesday ah This Saturday, um i believe, special special guest host, Rock Lee, will be taking over Saturday night and taking the reins.
01:47:30
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So y'all tune in. I know y'all love Rocky. He's great, and he's going to be filling in, I think, this Saturday and potentially next Saturday as well. He'll be he'll be filling in and hosting, um and maybe Rocky will have some news for you guys Saturday.
01:47:52
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So, like I said, Ettrickson, tomorrow night, I'm out of here. I'm out for a week. I won't be around, but I think Wally may be around. doing a couple of shows. Rocky will be taking over Saturdays.
01:48:04
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And then when I get back from vacation, we'll be jumping right back into everything. Um, while he's got Speedway stories tomorrow night with four time grand national champ, Jason Brammer, Bramer, Bramer.
01:48:18
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Yeah. I'm not good with names guys.
01:48:23
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So, so yeah, tomorrow night, Chad Smith hanging out on Glick's comedy lounge Thursday, Jason, Brammer hanging out on Wally with Wally and Gianni Speedway stories and then just Marman I'm on vacation no podcasting no podcast work related shit for a week no work related shit for a week just sunshine beaches and beverages
01:48:55
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Chuck a tractor pull it. Nice. So thank you guys for watching. Thank you guys for listening. If you're not already, don' give us a follow. Give us a like. Give us a share. Like, share, subscribe. You know the drill. Bio.link slash nonsensicalnetwork.
01:49:12
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01:49:23
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Every night of the week, we've got something going on, and we're Potentially going to have more going on very soon. So, um and then you can listen anytime, anyplace, wherever you listen to podcasts at.
01:49:35
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I'm hoping to tomorrow night I can get a couple shows uploaded before I go on vacation. So I'll try to get um last night, tonight, and at least tomorrow night up before I go on vacation. So that'll be all uploaded wherever you listen to podcasts at.
01:49:56
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And then, like I said, interact with us on social media. I interact back. If you're talking to somebody on social media, it's probably me. Interact with us. Let us know what you like. Let us know what you don't like.
01:50:09
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Maybe you've got a favorite musician or a favorite comedian or somebody you know that's doing movies or television or somebody that's racing some kind of motor vehicle.
01:50:22
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Introduce them. Let us ah let us chat with them. Maybe they can be on one of your ah one are your one of your shows one of our shows here. Got a lot going on, man. A lot's happening.
01:50:34
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ah Wally is on vacation after Saturday night. All right. So next week, ain't nothing going on on the network. So watch the replays. Enjoy the replays. Saturdays. I think the next two Saturdays, Rocky will be here. I'm not 100% sure on that. I know he'll definitely be here this Saturday.
01:50:54
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um So, yeah. We're going take a little vacation. We've earned it. Enjoy the replays. ah Drop some comments. Drop some likes. But, yeah, I'm going to get out of here.
01:51:08
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Thank you guys for listening. Thank you guys for hanging out. Right here, Glicks House of Music, your unofficial backstage pass on the Nonsensical Network.
01:51:20
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Be good. Or be good at it, baby. And don't forget to go follow all of our guests on the social media. Go give Brooks a follow. I'm going to drop out of here with one more song from Brooks.
01:51:36
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Well, tell me that you hate me. little sad song. I love sad songs. love me but me a good old sad country song.
01:51:48
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Get this comment off the screen. ah no, there are no comments on the screen. Never mind. That's just my stupid name. Anyways, we'll see you guys.
01:51:59
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In a couple weeks. Well, no, I'll see you guys tomorrow night. Be good. they'll Be good at it, baby. You know the drill. Like, share, subscribe. your heart is
01:52:22
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We both know what you really want to say But we both know it has to be this way Can't you see my hands are tied So even if it's lie Tell me that you hate me Make us easy to forget Cause your bending's gonna break me Ain't been good at goodbye just yet This is the part where get down on my knees And beg you to stay away from me And tell me that you hate me
01:53:10
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Maybe in another world, in another life We could just be us. Maybe when I open my eyes, I can see your smile.
01:53:21
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I won't have to miss your touch. We both want what we both can't have. We're giving in the dreams we won't give back.
01:53:32
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Put your hand in my one last time. And even if it's still alive, tell me that you hate me. Make us easy to forget.
01:53:44
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Cause your vengeance gonna break me. We ain't been good at goodbye just yet. This is the part where I get down on my knees.
01:53:56
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And beg you to stay away from me.
01:54:20
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Tell me that you hate that you never want it forever You can't get far enough away Tell me you don't need me, that you know it's awfully better Just fly straight to my face And tell me that you hate me Make us easy to forget Cause your feeling's gonna break me We ain't been good at goodbye just yet This is the part where I get down on my knees and beg you to stay.