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EPISODE 81 - Diana Russini resigns. Patriots draft!
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Impact of Diana Rossini's Resignation
00:00:01
Savage Boston
Hi guys, welcome back to the Savage Boston Podcast. We're here today. It is, what night is it? Tuesday, April 14th. And we're, don't know, like nine days. What is nine days before the draft?
00:00:13
Savage Boston
um Which is cool. So, stuff's coming out. I feel like, though, everyone, as you know, has been like, ah you know, knee-deep in the big story, which is obviously the Rossini and Vrabel stuff, which, you know, again, like,
00:00:28
Savage Boston
People online love to say, who cares? Who cares? Well, you care. Everyone cares. either care to say, i don't care, or you know like clearly or you care and want to engage with it. But nobody's ignoring the story, at least in social media and publicly. People have interest. It's all they talked about all day on the radio today. I mean, it's like, especially when in the middle of the day, Diana Rossini resigned.
00:00:52
Savage Boston
which is big news, big
Media Ethics and Accountability
00:00:55
Savage Boston
news. So um I don't know, before I go off on a tangent, Brett, do want just give me like, just give me your initial thoughts like on her resignation and and how this all kind of looks?
00:01:06
Bret
Well, now that we're a week away from when this all dropped, ah you look at it and you say, it sucks for her, but obviously she should know what she's walking into because she's the one that's going to essentially ruin her career and probably ruin her family life because of what happened. Whereas Rabel, I mean, who knows what's happened on his family front, you know and I'm not going to presume Diana Rossini's same thing. like Maybe they worked through.
00:01:33
Bret
But from a professional standpoint, like her career is pretty much fucked. Whereas him, he's going to have to face it in the locker room. But in reality, especially in like NFL world,
00:01:46
Bret
He'll be fine. Like nothing's going to happen to him. He's just going to address it in the locker room, deal with it with the guys. I'm sure he swept other things under the rugs that those that he knew about some of those guys and what's going on there.
00:01:59
Bret
I mean we had two guys that were
NFL's Unique Ethical Landscape
00:02:01
Bret
basically arrested and and having domestic violence issues last season and had to deal with and
00:02:05
Savage Boston
Yes.
00:02:08
Bret
you know It's one of those areas where there could have been more details that was there and the Pats knew about and they just kind of brushed it on the rug. I got to imagine there's other situations like that. So all of this stuff is a long way to saying in the NFL world, they exist in a total different realm than what the majority of people live in, which is they're just going to move on from this and he'll be fine. And I don't see this having any negative effect. That's the part I think where – I'd say like no one cares from the standpoint that there's so much pearl clutching over what Vrabel did and thinking in terms of he's going to get fired or something bad is going to happen to him from a professional standpoint. And the reality is that's never going to happen.
00:02:53
Bret
It's just never going to happen. It's not like... what happened with Emei with the Celtics, where it was an actual staff member and they have to deal with it.
00:03:02
Savage Boston
yeah
00:03:03
Bret
Like, this is not a good look, but it's not the same thing.
00:03:07
Savage Boston
yeah those are i mean like i think people are just like out for blood generally and um and that's just like a lot of people's predisposition on on twitter on social media but like I find a couple of things. Number one, people like Diana Rossini herself and her resignation letter and other people on Twitter who are saying like the media is actually to blame for this situation. The media is to blame for
Consequences for Rossini vs. Vrabel
00:03:33
Savage Boston
her getting fired and just want to squash that immediately.
00:03:37
Savage Boston
She's responsible for her actions. I just want to like, like, that's, ah we got to make that clear. Social media is not, they didn't make this up. There was a real photos that they immediately had. She immediately said, actually, I was there with a bunch of hiking gals doing blah, blah, blah.
00:03:55
Savage Boston
And the athletic starts to look into it. And it's basically like, we don't think that's true. And so, you know, Diana took the approach, maybe from advice from a lawyer, i don' maybe advice from friends, family. I don't know. She said, I'm going to resign now. Like whether or not they said, hey, you resign or we're firing you. Like, I don't not even know if it got to that point yet. I think she just said, literally, I think she's just like, going resign because they're probably going to end up firing me.
00:04:20
Savage Boston
But but you got to make that clear. Like I'm not judging her morally at all. That is not, this is not the moral judgment. Like I want to be clear of the whole glass house thing. Everybody's different.
00:04:31
Savage Boston
Everyone's scenario is different. Okay. What I'm judging is her ability to be a non-partial um journalist.
00:04:42
Savage Boston
And I think sleeping with someone or potentially sleeping with someone who you're getting information from and is feeding you information is a conflict of interest for the New York times.
00:04:54
Savage Boston
That's period. If she had worked for barstool out the gate, like barstool now, No one will care. Everyone will be like, whoa, like I don't think anyone would care or at least they would care, but this wouldn't, she wouldn't be fired. So she works for ultimately the parent company is the New York times. They have a rigid set of rules.
00:05:10
Savage Boston
It's not a moral judgment. This is like an ethical judgment where what she did is not allowed by the New York times period. So I don't know. What's your thoughts on that?
00:05:25
Bret
My take is i mean she was basically forced to resign and quit because they were going to investigate and they don't they don't want bad PR. So I don't know how.
00:05:36
Bret
See, the thing is, is you don't know how deep this goes and how long this has been going on. That's the part that hasn't come out. And that's the part that I wonder, because like we talked about, and again, more and more comes out.
00:05:42
Savage Boston
Yeah.
Investigation and Resignation Outcomes
00:05:47
Bret
the photos that were taken aren't like your passive person on the i iPhone, other than that one with their sitting at the bar or like potentially the hot tub. Like when they're on the the pool deck and they're kind of like out there hugging, that is from a distance. So this was definitely someone that was doing an investigation. So there was clearly a suspicion that there was a history of this. It wasn't like a one-time thing. So that's the part that kind of comes into question, which I know the athletic came out and they said they're still going through and doing their investigation.
00:06:18
Bret
That being said, I think she's just looking at it and saying, I'm just going to get away from it because ultimately it's going to happen and why continue to drag it out? Thinking in terms of if I get away from that doing this, hopefully things settle and die down a bit.
00:06:33
Bret
And that's just what happens. Again, this is the real world. I mean, when you're in the media business side of things, They're going to do the same shit too. There's so many stories that come out about intercompany relations and people doing this with other people. But then when it comes out, everyone's like, oh, I didn't know anything. And then the person quits or resigns or whatever.
00:06:55
Bret
So it yeah happens in corporate environments. It happens everywhere. It's just... the nature of where we're at in her environment, she's going to get fired. like I said, her career is ruined and Brable's environment. It's not. So this to me, I think is just like trying to get away from it, trying to get a distance. You're right. There's no way she wrote this and submitted this and went forward like this, unless she went through legal advice. And she's probably dealing with the lawyer from both the standpoint of her divorce situation or like marital situation, who the hell knows.
00:07:26
Bret
And then professional. So she's got personal professional. It's just a whole shitstorm. And I'm sure she's looking at saying, I just got to get away from it. So I'm just going to resign and whatever.
00:07:38
Savage Boston
But in her resignation letter, like she didn't even it wasn't she denied it, right?
00:07:41
Bret
She denied it.
00:07:44
Savage Boston
She's like, I'm not a minute. But like they started investigating her and she resigned. I'm sure she was hoping they would stop investigating her, which apparently they're saying they're not. They're going to follow through the with the investigation, which I find interesting.
00:07:57
Savage Boston
It's like, doesn't really matter. She's already found to be fired.
00:07:59
Bret
but yougan But to me, again, that's just a PR move.
00:08:01
Savage Boston
Quit. Like, yeah, yeah.
00:08:03
Bret
like Nothing's going to come out of it.
00:08:04
Savage Boston
Well, it doesn't matter.
00:08:04
Bret
It's not like all of a sudden we're going to
00:08:06
Savage Boston
There's no legal consequence. It's not like we're investigating a fucking murder. like what are they going to do? They're like, yep, she did it. Like, she already quit.
00:08:13
Bret
to get...
00:08:13
Savage Boston
You know, like, it doesn't matter.
00:08:15
Bret
Yeah. What do they have to gain by releasing information that says she had a relation that went on for... you know a year with Vrabel where they had over a dozen you know interactions, blah, blah, blah. What does that gain, the Athletic or the New York Times?
00:08:35
Bret
It gains them nothing. like if If anything looks at it and says, like,
00:08:37
Savage Boston
No, no. She already quit.
00:08:41
Bret
hey, how else do you getting information? like What else are your reporters doing to try and do it? like There's potentially of that. like There's just not nothing to gain there. So the only thing that they're gaining by saying it is to try to take the moral high ground from a PR standpoint, and that's that. That is it. It has nothing to do with anything else beyond that.
Handling Scandals in Sports Leadership
00:09:00
Savage Boston
Because they were the ones that initially basically said, like, we believe her. or like, immediately.
00:09:04
Bret
Oh, they defended her initially.
00:09:04
Savage Boston
They were, like, trusting her.
00:09:06
Bret
They came out right away and defended her.
00:09:07
Savage Boston
the defender and then like, who whoa whoa, you know, whoops, let's –
00:09:10
Bret
and And then now they're doing this. So their legal counsel and PR team is doing the same thing that she's doing from a personal standpoint. Again, you you always got to look at it and say, what's the motive? What do they have to gain from doing that? So I don't give them any credit for anything.
00:09:29
Bret
I really don't. I mean, they basically forced a girl to resign that was going to end up resigning because of all of the pressure that was coming down on it. And they were going to end up firing her anyways because of that pressure.
00:09:42
Bret
i think they look at it and I can imagine there's other, not to say that everyone's like sleeping around or something. I don't want to say that, but there's definitely some unethical things that people do to get inside information.
00:09:54
Savage Boston
No doubt. I mean, i think there's the double standard piece. I know that there's probably more women are upset about this thing. you know, I heard women were calling in the radio today being like, how come Brable doesn't get punished? How come it's just her?
00:10:08
Savage Boston
And again, from our perspective, you're talking about a function of a job, right? Like, like, it's a job argument. is his job compromised in any way? You know what mean? Like, did he do something to compromise his job?
00:10:22
Savage Boston
And the answer is no, he didn't do anything illegal. According to to league rules. Like the only thing you can't do in the NFL is like somehow like disgrace the shield. You know what i mean? Like you can't, you can't dishonor their shield, but they go so far. Like you can have domestic abuse. You can, there's lots of stuff that happens where they're like, yeah, two games.
00:10:41
Savage Boston
That's it. You know what i mean?
00:10:42
Bret
point.
00:10:42
Savage Boston
Like, You know, so it's it's not – I think for the NFL, I've been saying for the beginning, he's going to have no punishment. Like this is a personal thing that doesn't affect him ah as being a head coach in the NFL. But for her, this is – big thing of her job. She can't be sleeping around with her sources. That's a against what, what the New York times wants. and I think her resigning is at least some small admission of guilt. It's not like a Oh my God, everything's right. Like, like if you take the most innocent scenario and they're basically like best buddies hanging in a hot tub, like
00:11:19
Savage Boston
If that's true and, and, and what, but like at a minimum, she still lied about saying her friends were there. This is the problem. Like you can't come out and lie to your employer and be like, no big deal. I was there on a hiking trip with what she said, like six friends or something.
00:11:34
Bret
Yeah, it was a romantic resort she was at.
00:11:37
Savage Boston
You're not always romantic, but I'm sorry. If a bunch of women get together on a trip in the fucking mountains, how many photos do you think come out of that trip?
00:11:47
Bret
Oh, yeah.
00:11:48
Savage Boston
Over under 500 fucking photos. Like one of her friends is going to be like, oh yeah, here's the photo. Look at, we were there.
00:11:58
Savage Boston
No one's done that in a week. Like that to me is like the clear, like, okay. You know what I mean? Like, again, even if you're accepting the most innocent scenario, she still lied to her employer. Do you know what I mean? Like, and that's with the most innocent scenario.
00:12:13
Bret
Yeah, I think the thing that frustrates me the most, and I don't know if it's just because we're so close to the Patriots that it feels this way, but it's like always the Patriots.
00:12:26
Bret
There's always something with the fucking Patriots. And it's like from a coaching standpoint, it's like our head like... people like We just had two people go through legal troubles again.
00:12:40
Bret
like It's just constant. constant I look i like think about it. I say myself, like did the i mean the Bills had some like issues with regards to their coaches and locker room stuff, but it's like no like off the field issues, I feel like are constant thing with the Patriots.
00:12:57
Bret
It pisses me off.
00:12:57
Savage Boston
I just don't know why it's our like owner. It's the head coach. It's like, I don't know.
00:13:03
Bret
Yeah, and like the thing is, is like everyone would look at it and say, Robert Kraft, great owner, right?
00:13:04
Savage Boston
It's weird.
00:13:08
Bret
All this stuff. And then he goes down and gets like a rub and tug down there at an illegal salon.
00:13:13
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:13:16
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:13:16
Bret
Massage collar.
00:13:17
Savage Boston
Yeah. yeah
00:13:18
Bret
yeah oh It's like one of those things where you look it and you're just like, guys, could you just like not do everything so nefariously? like Can you just not? But, hey, it's
NFL Offseason and Media Focus
00:13:30
Savage Boston
I mean, yeah, it is what it is.
00:13:30
Bret
the NFL.
00:13:30
Bret
Yeah.
00:13:33
Savage Boston
I mean, this is like clearly the biggest story in the league. And again, I don't think it helps that this draft, this draft time is just so dead news wise.
00:13:43
Bret
Yeah.
00:13:44
Savage Boston
It is dead, dude. Like, is there any hyped up story?
00:13:47
Bret
There's no hype.
00:13:49
Savage Boston
Like, what are people hyping right now? Like, you know, what the first pick is and the rest of them are like, there's just nothing. There's no juice to it. Not just because we're, we're picking 31. I feel like even at the top,
00:14:00
Savage Boston
Like there's no juice.
00:14:00
Bret
Yeah. I agree. There's just, there's not a lot of like hype. It's a, it's a poor draft class. um And like, so locally, yeah, this, it's almost like a good thing because for months over the last two years, we were basically saying like Drake may will Campbell and like going through all the scenarios because we had, we were drafting three, you know, in the last two drafts. Now it's like, we're drafting 31st, which is in that kind of,
00:14:32
Bret
risk reward type position where you make for a draft pick or you trade back or you make a pick and it's like really just building for the future. It's, it's a, a good value pick at that spot, but not necessarily for need. Like we talked about with right tackles or something like that, or even guards because those are getting hyped.
00:14:52
Bret
So it's just one of those things where it's like hard to get hyped about locally getting the 31st overall pick and you just don't see much there. But just taking it away back to a national standpoint, there's just nothing there. There's no buzz. There's no hype around guys and who's going to drop here, who's going to go there, what's going to happen with this. like There's just nothing.
00:15:13
Bret
Nothing.
00:15:13
Savage Boston
I mean, last year, remember, they were talking even, like, or Sanders and what happens, and you know and then he drops to, like, the fifth round or whatever. Like, there was, like, there were other storylines, I feel like, happening, and there was there was some intrigue on a day-to-day basis. And I think, like, hey, for the NFL news cycle, the Rossini-Vrabel stuff has been massive because they've had nothing. I mean, it's like they got – the last month or two, it's just been A.J. Brown.
00:15:40
Savage Boston
which I'm catching strays from Eagles fans all day online. Be like, you all all you tweet about, it's been the biggest story for two months. It's been like the only story is like, when does AJ Brown come to the Patriots?
00:15:51
Savage Boston
It's all we have, you know?
00:15:53
Bret
Well, and the thing is, we like we talked about, we have to sit on it till like 1st. yeah
00:16:00
Savage Boston
Yeah. And I mean, ah we have, you know, if you look at the schedule, there's going be, know, I guess it's the draft and there's like some OTAs and stuff. So guys will be in the building and that'll be interesting, but it's not like,
00:16:11
Savage Boston
it's not like last year. I feel like last year, because it was like, you had Drake, he had the new draft. Like you were really getting hyped up because the team just sucked for a while. And then variable came in and was, you know, everything was interesting. And this year, I think people are almost back in a like victory mode where like, you just waiting for the real season.
00:16:29
Savage Boston
And it's like, ultimately that's a good thing, but you still, I don't know, like you still want to have some intrigue in the off season for the Patriots. I mean, there's gotta be some, some intrigue, some storylines, you,
00:16:40
Savage Boston
you know, again, we can't talk about AJ Brown for the next two months. Like there's gotta be, there's gonna be more to that. Um, but yeah.
00:16:49
Bret
Yeah, I mean,
Sports Engagement and Distractions
00:16:50
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:16:50
Bret
the good news is...
00:16:52
Bret
Well, we ah we have a little bit of a gap, but nine days, and then we'll have actual picks. And then at that point, we're talking about like who we got, how that looked.
00:17:01
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:03
Bret
um I thought the free agency was pretty hyped. I thought the free agency was pretty big this year um and good some good movements there and what happened. And obviously, you had like the blockbuster trade that totally got kicked back by the Ravens. So there was some...
00:17:20
Bret
That was crazy. So there was some good early movement, but yeah, I would say in NFL world, that's that's the other thing. That's why there's so much oxygen to this Vrabel-Roussini on a national level is because there's nothing to hype about anywhere else.
00:17:33
Bret
Like there's just nothing being talked about.
00:17:35
Savage Boston
It dropped at the worst possible time for Vrabel and receiving and the best possible time NFL media because they're so starved and most football fans are starved for anything football related.
00:17:43
Bret
Yeah.
00:17:50
Savage Boston
all they want to is like football news as you know, and like, there's no game still till five months from now. We got five months of no games, you know what i mean?
00:17:56
Bret
Well,
00:17:58
Savage Boston
And, and yeah, there's other sports happening and, and, you we can talk about that, but like, but yeah, this is the, obviously the kind of the primary focus, at least for, for me and, and, and for us, uh,
00:18:10
Bret
not only that, but you're also like, you're right before playoffs for hockey and basketball. So, like usually those seeds are pretty much set. So looking at matchups, but it's like kind of playing out the string at the end. So there's not much happening in those sports.
00:18:28
Bret
Baseball is getting underway, which if you're a Red Sox fan really sucks. But, ah you know, base I'm just thinking talking nationally, like baseball is getting underway, but there's not much there. There's March Madness is over. Like this is this is literally the worst time of year for sports because there's really just not much going on.
00:18:48
Bret
And then,
00:18:48
Savage Boston
It'd be good though. Once but once the season comes out, you know, once the the postseason starts, I'm sure you're, you know.
00:18:53
Bret
well, this week is the week where it turns over.
00:18:54
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:18:56
Bret
But like I'm saying is, it like, it was the worst time of year for this to drop other than, like, before the Super Bowl.
00:19:04
Savage Boston
yeah.
00:19:05
Bret
You know what I mean?
00:19:06
Savage Boston
Yeah, the I mean, there's been stuff you hear throughout the year that's little drama that doesn't come to light. You know, you hear a couple things about other players, and some stuff comes out like, let's say, Stephon Diggs drama with Cardi B and bunch of baby mamas and people in the front row of the Super Bowl, and you're like, what are you doing? But that doesn't – the problem is like death by a thousand cuts almost. Like that stuff doesn't matter to people because they expect that. Like Stephon Diggs – They're like, yeah, that's Diggs. That's what Diggs does. He just gets involved, goes crazy, breaks up with his girlfriend, gets another – like that's it's like status quo for Stephon Diggs.
00:19:42
Savage Boston
For Mike Vrabel, that's not status quo. You know, he's been a married man. I mean, he preaches family, accountability, all that jazz. So, like,
Addressing Scandal in Boston Sports
00:19:51
Savage Boston
i don't know. i We don't need to go into it again. But Breer had an interesting quote tonight where he said that, like, Vrabel's going to have to address the team.
00:19:58
Savage Boston
Like I clipped it from NBC Sports Boston and posted the big quote because i thought it was good. And it was just burping. And like they have things on every in every room being like, be accountable for what you do on and off the field kind of thing. And it's like, well, does Vrabel have to address the team?
00:20:15
Savage Boston
Does he have to come forward and be like, hey, sorry, guys. Like, you know, I'm sorry how this looks. And I'm going get this squared away. You know what I mean? Like what does Vrabel do?
00:20:25
Bret
I said it at the top. I think he does. I think he does address it.
00:20:28
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:20:29
Bret
um And I think he keeps it in the locker room and he he'll own it. It'll be only in the locker i'm goingnna then I think people are going to move on because really for those guys, like they do talk about like action. It's they're definitely action orientated.
00:20:47
Bret
So he lose credibility if he didn't own it and try to just, rushing on the rug and then try to then hold them accountable to the same standard he's asking them to be accountable for.
00:20:58
Bret
But really for the players though, they just want a coach that they believe can help them win. and help them be you know make them money. yeah so And I think Vrabel has proven that he can do both.
00:21:11
Bret
So they'll be okay as long as he owns it. if he doesn't own it, then it might create some creep-in issues where you have a guy like Diggs or Barnmore who's you know still historical for having off-the-field issues that has another one, and then he's just like, well, fuck this guy. like He didn't own up on this, et cetera.
00:21:29
Bret
I think the funny thing that i I think of in terms of this is you know If you think back, like Belichick had the same thing happening where you know he had him coming out of the the house and it was Jordan's house basically caught on like the Airbnb camera or something like that, him coming out. like this I don't think there's a chance in hell if this came out for Belichick, Belichick would ever own this in the locker room.
00:21:54
Bret
He would just basically like block out the noise. right like That would be his approach. Whereas I think for Vrabel, he knows better. I think Belichick, if this was Belichick getting caught doing something like this, like let's just say Jordan was a reporter and he was the one that got caught doing that.
00:22:04
Savage Boston
I
00:22:12
Bret
I don't think Belichick would say a damn thing.
00:22:15
Savage Boston
think it was just like a random, if it was just like a random woman, this would be a lot different. Wow. I think we have a special guest potentially popping in now who is, uh, 20 minutes, uh, past, past due here. Pat's pro. Are you with us?
00:22:28
PatsPro
I am with you.
00:22:29
Bret
i am with you
00:22:30
Savage Boston
Mute yourself, mute your audio on on the other the video thing. Mute yourself on. There you go.
00:22:36
PatsPro
Yep, that would help, huh?
00:22:36
Savage Boston
We hear Pats Pro?
00:22:37
PatsPro
Yep, I'm here. My apologies. My kids distracted me. I deeply apologize. God damn it.
00:22:45
Savage Boston
That's fine. It's it's a quick pop in. We're really kind of going along on the Vrabel Rossini talk. I mean, you're welcome welcome to give your take if you haven't gotten it out yet.
00:22:56
PatsPro
Yeah, it sucks. It sucks real bad. um This is not what the team needed. Diana Rossini's career is over. Mike's career is somewhat tainted. And... um Yeah, i hate it This is okay.
00:23:10
PatsPro
I just need to go on a tangent. This is not what we needed after the the Cinderella season. This is not what we needed. We needed we needed to be better.
00:23:18
Savage Boston
True.
00:23:19
PatsPro
And it it we're not we're not being better. We're we're being stupid. Like, I'm i'm sorry. You're Mike Vrabel. You're just coming off of a Super Bowl where you lost and you got your fucking ass beat, to put it candidly.
00:23:32
PatsPro
And you're out here in fucking Arizona at a exclusive club for couples. Very romantic. And it's not your fucking wife.
00:23:42
PatsPro
I just we don't need that. We don't need it. We don't fucking need it. I want to be talking about Oscar fucking Delp at 31 or trading up for fucking E.E.
00:23:52
Savage Boston
That's high for Delphine.
00:23:53
PatsPro
Honichor.
00:23:53
Savage Boston
Jesus.
00:23:54
PatsPro
Like, I just, that's what I want to be talking about. I don't want to be talking about, ooh, you know, have you seen the infidelity of my, I don't want to fucking talk about it.
00:24:03
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:24:04
PatsPro
So having said that, um I really like Ihanichor, Delp also, and another guy I like, but god damn it.
00:24:13
Savage Boston
No, it's good. I appreciate, appreciate the juice. I mean, we we've, we've spoken on obviously and people have been speaking on it at length. Like it's, It's been a mess as you know, and, uh, I think ultimately, you know, I think why people are so online, like I'd say it's about 10%. Like most people were like, it's crazy story.
00:24:32
Savage Boston
Like, it's really interesting. And about 10% of people are like, why the fuck you talking about this? Stop sharing it. And I'm like, i think, is it deep down, like, it reminds them of, like, Spygate or Deflategate. And they're like, this is going come back to me and hurt us some way. Like, like what is it that makes, like, in my opinion, it's not going the Patriots at all.
00:24:54
Savage Boston
um It has nothing to do with football. it's not illegal. I think it's very commonplace in the league, actually, that guys go and hook up with, Instagram models or whatever, like, you know, OnlyFans people, like, this is not like a crazy thing that happens, especially on the road. So, um, I don't know. I think, I think it's weird and and I get it. Like people are saying, yo know, glass houses don't, I get, I'm not, the problem is I'm not necessarily, I'm not trying to judge them morally.
00:25:21
Savage Boston
I think Rossini screwed up her job and her jobs, her integrity is gone. Not, and that's an ethical problem, not a moral problem. And I think just Mike, it's like, it's a smidgen of like tarnish. It's someone that you viewed as such high esteem who has, again, like things in every locker and every room being like, be accountable for your actions on and off the field.
00:25:42
Savage Boston
And so I would have more, I'd have respect with him if he addresses the media and says like, Hey, I messed up. Or he says, guys, it's not what you guys think. Like you guys are wrong. If he doubles down in that, be like, all right, well, you know, let's see.
00:25:56
Savage Boston
yeah so i just we need I feel like I want something from him, need something from him, you know just to address the situation.
00:26:02
PatsPro
We need some form of closure. Like, it just, it needs to end. And the longer it goes on without being addressed by, i mean, Russini doubled down today, but the longer it goes on without Vrabel addressing it, the bigger it's going to get.
00:26:07
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:26:16
PatsPro
He would be better served, than and I know the PR people are losing their minds. Like, yeah, just don't talk about it. It'll go away. That's not how Boston sports works. It's just not.
00:26:24
Savage Boston
Won't go away.
00:26:25
PatsPro
he he it's not going to go away. It's just going to get bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. And then eventually it's going to be May and we're going to be in OTAs and Felgor and Maz are still going to be talking about, oh, is Mike Vrabel really committed to the game?
00:26:38
PatsPro
like it's that That's just what happens. So it it needs to be addressed. But I cannot... I cannot say this enough. We don't fucking need this, man. We don't need it.
00:26:50
PatsPro
It's just something we don't need. I want to be focusing on Drake, man. want to be focused on Kyle Williams year two, Will Campbell year two. That's what I want to focus on. I don't want to focus on the the alleged potential infidelity of my head coach. I just don't want to.
00:27:04
Savage Boston
I feel like we'd be down people with this, but sorry, go for it Brett.
00:27:04
Bret
Yeah.
00:27:07
Bret
I was just going to say, i want to be talking about Drake May at Augusta, you know, getting in his spotlight, talking about how he's motivated to get back at his opportunity, like continuing to say all of the right things and just be a standout guy that I'm sure a lot of people want to come and play with.
00:27:11
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:27:17
PatsPro
Yes.
Drake May and Draft Prospects
00:27:26
PatsPro
I tweeted out during Augustine.
00:27:26
Bret
So yeah.
00:27:28
PatsPro
I'm sorry to cut you off, Brett, but we are like, we need to just sit back and realize we are so lucky to have this young man as our quarterback. Like the amount of luck generated from those crappy seasons to get Drake May the the model of a quarterback that you want a ah a young man, and that's what he is, by the way, he's a young man, he's 23 years old, to be able to know what to say at any given time, to be a team guy and to play the way that he plays, we are so incredibly lucky, and that should be the focus of the season. It just should be.
00:28:00
Savage Boston
They did get – actually, that whole quarterback class, to be honest, has been really outstanding looking back.
00:28:04
PatsPro
Except for J.J.
00:28:05
Savage Boston
I mean, like – except for Penix.
00:28:05
PatsPro
McCarthy.
00:28:07
Savage Boston
I mean, it's hard to hit and miss.
00:28:08
Bret
Nein.
00:28:08
PatsPro
Fuck you, Tom Curran. Fuck you, Tom Curran.
00:28:09
Savage Boston
Like, it's – J.J. McCarthy was most historically horrible, and Penix is fucking erratic.
00:28:16
PatsPro
He's not not good.
00:28:16
Savage Boston
I don't – Penix is not done well either. So, but but out of four, I mean, between Caleb Williams, Jane Daniels, Drake May, and Bo Nix, that's a pretty fucking good class, dude.
00:28:25
PatsPro
Really good.
00:28:25
Savage Boston
So –
00:28:26
PatsPro
Honestly, it's it's if their careers keep the trajectory they've been going, it's a historically good class for quarterbacks.
00:28:31
Savage Boston
I don't know. Caleb Williams to me is still like a little, like he's got all the talent. He just does dumb shit. Like you watch him in the playoffs too.
00:28:38
PatsPro
he he He doesn't stay in phase.
00:28:38
Bret
Yeah.
00:28:39
Savage Boston
Like he just, dude, he ran back 20 yards to throw a 50 yard corner to end zone touchdown to tie it And I'm like, what the fuck was that play?
00:28:40
PatsPro
he he goes He goes out of phase too much.
00:28:47
PatsPro
And it was on the money.
00:28:50
Savage Boston
Like it was, you know, it's unbelievable talent. That kid is good. That kid's got it, dude. Talent wise. There's no doubt.
00:28:57
Bret
Yeah, it's all up here.
00:28:57
Savage Boston
There's no, he's dude.
00:28:58
Bret
i'll die on the hill I'll die on the hill saying that he's going to be kind of an overrated quarterback.
00:29:01
Savage Boston
Yeah, you like him.
00:29:04
Bret
yeah is completion percentage His completion percentage was garbage last year.
00:29:05
Savage Boston
He might be, but he's got Ben Johnson. you ben Yeah, he's got a
00:29:10
Bret
He didn't even break 60% completion percentage, like 58%.
00:29:11
PatsPro
Yeah. What was he? 58% or something like that. Yeah.
00:29:15
Savage Boston
he's got a good coach, but...
00:29:15
Bret
so So it's all up here. hes like He's basically the guy that's got all the tools, but he's got a tin can head. He just doesn't have it.
00:29:23
Savage Boston
Well, I have very important breaking news.
00:29:26
PatsPro
Oh boy, what have we got?
00:29:28
Savage Boston
Very important. Don't check your phone. Cause it has nothing to do with football.
00:29:32
PatsPro
Oh, shit.
00:29:33
Savage Boston
They have announced the cast for the hunt for Gollum, the Lord of the Rings movie coming out in 2027.
00:29:39
PatsPro
Okay,
Red Sox's Financial Struggles
00:29:40
PatsPro
what do we got?
00:29:40
Savage Boston
And, uh, they've replaced, uh, Viggo Mortensen as Aragon cause he's too, uh, too old.
00:29:44
PatsPro
I hate it already. I hate it. It's a bad decision.
00:29:47
Savage Boston
And, uh, yeah, which, you know, it is what it is, I guess with, uh, Jamie Dornan who, um, I believe Jamie Dornan, is he the guy that just, uh, was he just Superman?
00:29:53
PatsPro
Jamie Dornan.
00:29:59
PatsPro
no that's um No, that's not Jamie Dorden.
00:30:00
Bret
I don't know.
00:30:02
Savage Boston
Or am I messing that up?
00:30:05
PatsPro
That's the other English feller.
00:30:07
Savage Boston
Who did Jamie, who was Jamie Tornan play?
00:30:07
PatsPro
a Who the hell is Jamie?
00:30:09
Savage Boston
Who played Superman?
00:30:10
PatsPro
Hold on, hold on.
00:30:13
Bret
So Jamie Dornan is the Fifty Shades of Grey guy.
00:30:17
Savage Boston
Oh, okay.
00:30:18
PatsPro
Okay, okay.
00:30:18
Savage Boston
Not Superman.
00:30:19
PatsPro
not Definitely not Superman.
00:30:20
Savage Boston
Oh, so he was Superman then.
00:30:21
PatsPro
Superman of a kind.
00:30:22
Savage Boston
He was a different kind of Superman.
00:30:23
PatsPro
Yeah, Superman of kind.
00:30:25
Bret
Apparently he did a Robin Hood remake in 2018, which I definitely did not see.
00:30:30
PatsPro
I don't think anyone saw it.
00:30:30
Savage Boston
Who played Superman then?
00:30:33
PatsPro
um Do I have to look this up?
00:30:37
Savage Boston
I don't know. um I didn't see the movie. I have time to see all the movies anymore.
00:30:39
PatsPro
It it it was wasn't half bad, to be honest with you.
00:30:42
Savage Boston
No, I heard that. but Oh, David Cornswit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:44
PatsPro
Yes, the Henry Cavill Light, as I like to refer to him.
00:30:47
Savage Boston
I mean, so Jamie Dornan, I think, is like a very also similar looking person.
00:30:52
PatsPro
Yes.
00:30:52
Savage Boston
they are Another English, similar looking English person.
00:30:55
PatsPro
Yes, I am looking at the gentleman now, and by God...
00:30:59
Bret
Yeah, he could play.
00:30:59
Savage Boston
Yeah, he literally does look similar.
00:31:00
Bret
He could play
00:31:00
Savage Boston
like They could look like the same. Yeah, he could bees be fine. Picking
00:31:06
PatsPro
but he's not going to break his toe and then, you know, kneel down and scream and let out all that anger and have it be kept in the movie.
00:31:09
Savage Boston
a helmet.
00:31:12
PatsPro
Okay.
00:31:12
Savage Boston
Also, they do have returning Andy Serkis. Everyone can skip this if you're not a Lord of the Rings fan.
00:31:17
PatsPro
Yeah. This just happened to hit all of our niches at the same time.
00:31:18
Savage Boston
Andy Serkis, Ian McKellen, Kate Winslet, Elijah Wood, Lee Pace.
00:31:21
PatsPro
Andy circus as Gollum. Thank God.
00:31:25
Savage Boston
They got some of the the big hits coming back. I don't know what kind of movie it's going to be, but
00:31:28
PatsPro
Is a, I mean, it's going to be, from what I was reading, it's based on like three chapters in Lord of the Rings.
00:31:35
Savage Boston
no no, no, no, no. That's a different one.
00:31:36
PatsPro
Oh, oh, it's a different one.
00:31:37
Savage Boston
That is, um, that is the one that Stephen Colbert wants to do.
00:31:41
PatsPro
Oh, yes, that's right. Dang it.
00:31:43
Savage Boston
That's based on the, uh, the people were getting all mad thinking it was the future. Like he's inventing new material and he's not, it's just like the beginning of the fellowship of the ring with like, uh, Tom Bombadil.
00:31:54
Savage Boston
Um, that's what Stephen Colbert wants to
00:31:56
PatsPro
I don't know how you're making that ah movie, but sure, why the fuck not?
00:31:59
Savage Boston
I have no idea. i do I don't know how that could carry a film just doing like half the movie of Tom Bombadil rescuing the party. Anyway, anyway there's your there's your Lord of the Rings five minutes for in case anyone had interest in that.
00:32:12
PatsPro
I'm pretty sure 99% of people did not care and the people who so the people oh I care too but the people who stopped listening were the same people who were getting mad when I was posting Lord of the Rings gifts from the AJ Brown apparently trade was apparently going to happen that didn't happen
00:32:15
Savage Boston
Probably not, but I care. and
00:32:26
Savage Boston
I'm getting so much, so much shit.
00:32:28
Bret
ah got wait
00:32:29
Savage Boston
And about AJ Brown, dude, Eagles fans are like, you're obsessed. was like, it's the only story that we've had for months, dude.
00:32:33
PatsPro
oh you're a dire scene was leaking it to you
00:32:36
Savage Boston
Other than the variable shit. This is like months.
00:32:39
PatsPro
Yeah, we're in the offseason. What do they expect us to talk about?
00:32:42
Savage Boston
I don't know. And it's pretty much going happen. So.
00:32:45
Bret
Right when you came on, that's exactly the topic we were talking about. This is quite literally the worst time of year because we just ran through it. Football season, as ah ah we're just in rumor mill, and unless you're top pick, there's really not much luster to get around it. And on top of it, this is a really bad draft.
00:33:04
Bret
March Madness is over, so there's nothing there.
00:33:04
PatsPro
Horrible.
00:33:07
Bret
You're playing out the string before the playoffs with basketball and hockey, so there's really not much happening there. Baseball's just getting underway, so if you're Sox fan, that sucks, but it's
00:33:17
PatsPro
And the Red Sox suck.
00:33:19
Bret
It's really not getting much traction there. So there's like nothing going on right now. It sucks. Next week, it all starts up.
00:33:25
Savage Boston
Also Red Sox, Red Sox down five, nothing, by the way. Also tonight.
00:33:30
Bret
On a crochet.
00:33:30
PatsPro
Yeah, of course they are.
00:33:31
Bret
Isn't it a crochet? Who's pitching?
00:33:32
Savage Boston
No crochet got beat. um Gave up 11 runs last night.
00:33:36
PatsPro
they got pulled in one in a second yesterday.
00:33:37
Bret
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:33:37
Savage Boston
Worst start of his career.
00:33:38
Bret
That's right.
00:33:38
PatsPro
That was fun.
00:33:38
Savage Boston
And tonight, Sonny Gray gave up five runs. I mean, Hey, you know, again, my, my Red Sox thoughts, and this is like, said this for a while.
00:33:42
Bret
Yeah.
00:33:47
Savage Boston
I just, I just want them to almost like bottom out, like just have a really shitty season. And they won't. They're going to come back and be like a 500 team and people are going to be like, eh. Like, I almost want them, like, if they just suck enough, you can actually make changes. Like, that's the only thing. It's kind of like with the Patriots. They sucked so bad for two years. Like, we got to get Mayo the fuck out of here. It was like ah you had to change it. It was so bad, right?
00:34:09
Savage Boston
if you bottom out sometimes, like, that'll get rid of Breslow. Maybe that makes the ownership want to spend more money. You know, so that that's kind of my philosophy with the Red Sox is like,
00:34:19
PatsPro
Listen, Liverpool needs a new guard, okay?
00:34:19
Savage Boston
what how do you How do you push this thing?
00:34:21
PatsPro
They can't afford anybody, all right?
00:34:23
Savage Boston
What, they're poor from Liverpool from spending on soccer?
00:34:25
PatsPro
Yes, Liverpool needs a new guard. The Red Sox kit and the – who is it? the ah Who's Pittsburgh's hockey team?
00:34:32
Savage Boston
No, didn't they sell the Penguin?
00:34:34
PatsPro
Oh, did they?
00:34:34
Bret
They sold Pittsburgh. And i don't know what Liverpool guard you're talking about.
00:34:35
PatsPro
Okay.
00:34:38
Bret
Liverpool soccer, there's no guard position.
00:34:40
PatsPro
it's It's the – thank you.
00:34:41
Savage Boston
Brett would know. Brett can tell you about soccer more than really more than I can.
00:34:43
PatsPro
Thank you, Brett. I don't know soccer. I just know that Fenway Sports Group owns controlling stake in Liverpool.
00:34:46
Savage Boston
And do striker.
00:34:49
PatsPro
That's all I know.
00:34:50
Bret
They need a new guard. like so There's no position ever in the world where they're calling them.
00:34:52
PatsPro
Yeah, they need new i don't know you think
00:34:53
Savage Boston
Yeah. yeah and They didn't need a new offensive guard on the on Liverpool.
00:34:54
PatsPro
Look at me. You think I played soccer? You think I ran that much?
00:34:59
Savage Boston
They need to sign up.
00:34:59
PatsPro
Yeah, they need a new defenseman, all right? Does that make sense? i don't know if that makes sense.
00:35:02
Savage Boston
They need Rutledge.
00:35:03
Bret
That does make sense.
00:35:04
PatsPro
Okay, great.
00:35:04
Bret
That does make sense.
00:35:05
PatsPro
Liverpool needs a new defenseman. They can't afford to spend on the Red Sox.
00:35:08
Bret
I do think, I don't know if you caught this, Pat's Pro, but I know i so I sent it out in the text and Savage saw it, but like the the article that Maz brought out when he was talking about really the cash spend by the Sox was really good read.
00:35:23
PatsPro
Mm-hmm.
00:35:24
Bret
Basically, they're 12th in the league when it comes to cash spend, but he talks about how Really, that's not like accurate. And he talks about the fact that like if you look at the how their contracts are structured, take and he gives Roman Anthony as an example, and he basically says when they're looking at it and how it applies to the luxury tax, they basically take the average salary of that of that contract through the life of it and then apply it for each year. But when it comes to actual cash spend,
00:35:52
Bret
you know, the Pats, of the Sox only paying 2.6 million. So like they're paying super cheap on cash for this year.
00:35:56
PatsPro
Jesus Christ.
00:35:59
Bret
So this year he's only like, it's only costing the Red Sox, $2.6 million, dollars even though he has that large salary, same thing goes for Suarez. It's 26 million, but he's only actually only getting paid 10 million this year.
00:36:12
Bret
So it's all back heavy.
00:36:14
PatsPro
Yeah, so they're changing.
00:36:14
Bret
If you think about the Sox, they do the same thing that they've done with other players where it comes to the end and it's time for them to pay and that's when they ship them out. It's all like a money game and it makes it seem like, oh, it's they're spending money at times, but they're clearly not.
00:36:28
Bret
And you just look at it and say they're just a they're acting like a bottom of the market team. They're middling of the market team and they've been that way for years. So... To me, i just don't know if there's ever a case that they do quote-unquote bottom out. I don't know what that looks like because to me from a Red Sox standard, they've been bottoming out for years now.
00:36:48
Savage Boston
Well, they've been like, they had a couple of bottoms and then changed their philosophy and then rebuilt the farm.
00:36:48
PatsPro
it.
00:36:54
Savage Boston
They're like, we're ramping up. we're They keep trying to be like, we're ramping. And they've made some good trades. They improved the pitching. And here they are. And it's like, they forgot you have to put together a lineup that hits. They have the one of the worst. I mean, again, we don't have to go crazy on it, but like they have the one of the worst slugging lineups and the worst home run hitting lineups in the majors. And they fucking knew this
NFL Draft Predictions
00:37:15
Savage Boston
going in. Everyone's like, i don't know where the power is coming from. you got rid of Rafi Devers and Bregman.
00:37:20
Savage Boston
Where's your slugging? Where's your extra base hits? Where's your home runs? Like, where does that stuff come from? It just doesn't come out of nowhere. You need players that do that. And they don't have them. And they just, what, assumed Roman Anthony was going to hit 40 homers? Like, I don't understand what they want from that kid. He's 21 that you made the face of your franchise. It's just, like, too many errors stacked in a row. So if this team starts to really lose a bunch of games, I think there will be some pretty significant changes pretty early on. Because it gets to the point, if you get too behind, like, people like, it's early. These games count. dude They all count. It's like, you're telling me you think this team is going to play 600 baseball the rest of the way? Because I don't think so.
00:38:03
Savage Boston
That's what you might need to make the playoffs. You think they're going play 600 ball. And so it's, it's a big problem, especially if they really can't hit. If they, if they really start to not be able to hit and you have a bunch of guys, all the hits they get are singles.
00:38:16
Savage Boston
They're fucked.
00:38:18
PatsPro
Well, wasn't it also like the in the media, wasn't it?
00:38:18
Savage Boston
And so it's, it's a problem.
00:38:22
PatsPro
Oh, they're they're building a defensive unit to you know make up for the lack of hitting.
00:38:27
Savage Boston
said pitching and defense.
00:38:27
PatsPro
They they fucking suck on defense, too, by the way.
00:38:31
Savage Boston
Yeah. isn't it
00:38:32
PatsPro
like I'm sorry they're terrible and he's constantly out of position i just I don't I don't understand like okay you're acting like a small market team cool but don't don't don't spit my face and tell me it's raining it just just it it you know I don't know how you can admit that you know you're being cheap but
00:38:33
Savage Boston
They're playing Trevor Story. is short He shouldn't be the shortstop if you're relying on
00:38:39
Savage Boston
Yeah, he's terrible. Yeah, he's been terrible.
00:38:50
Savage Boston
Yeah, it's crazy.
00:38:56
Savage Boston
All right, hold on. Let me round this up because we're coming up on about a 40-minute mark.
00:38:59
PatsPro
oh boy
00:39:00
Savage Boston
Give me your – so I can't do the pod. Next week I'm vacay. First time in a while, so I will not do the pod next week before the draft. Obviously, we'll be back after the draft.
00:39:10
Savage Boston
But, like, who you guys got? Tell me who's your pick at 31. Pats Pro, who's your pick at 31?
00:39:15
PatsPro
I really, really want to take Max Ihanichor if he's there.
00:39:20
Savage Boston
I like it. would tackle. Brad, who are you taking?
00:39:22
PatsPro
Yeah.
00:39:22
Savage Boston
31. 31.
00:39:25
Bret
I don't know. I mean, there's too much smoke around guards and linemen that I just think they're going to go like with an edge guy.
00:39:31
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:39:37
Bret
i don't know who. I can't give you a name, but I just feel my gut says defensive edge. I think this whole thing.
00:39:43
Savage Boston
Small, fast, small, fast, big, slow, or kind of in the middle.
00:39:49
Bret
They'll probably do small fast.
00:39:51
Savage Boston
Okay.
00:39:51
Bret
They have to.
00:39:51
Savage Boston
So Cassius, Hall, or Armis and Thomas.
00:39:54
Bret
Yeah, R. Mason Thomas. Give me a Sooner.
00:39:56
Savage Boston
Alright, so our Mason Thomas, good pick. There you go. did By deduction, we got Brett's selection. Very good.
00:40:01
Bret
Give me a Sooner.
00:40:01
Savage Boston
I'm going to give a three-parter.
00:40:02
Bret
i'm I'm a good Sooner guy, so.
00:40:08
Savage Boston
Max Ahenachur, I like a lot at 31. Caden McDonald, I think is a possibility, which they've been linked to. um Or TJ Parker, I think is a decent choice.
00:40:20
Savage Boston
and cause I've said a while, I think Cassius Hall and our Mason Thomas are a little bit too small, but
00:40:20
Bret
Hmm.
00:40:25
Savage Boston
Maybe they want that. Maybe they want Kesha Howell to be just like a specialist edge rusher. We'll see. But I'm going to go give me one of those three. If you want to say the actual guest guest, like my official guest, I'll just say TJ Parker.
00:40:38
Savage Boston
He's the one. I think he's ah big enough to play the edge and athletic enough to learn how to be a good pass rusher. All right, guys. That's going to call it for today. i don't want it to go too long. And we'll catch you in ah in a couple weeks after the draft.
00:40:51
Savage Boston
Good luck. Peace.