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EPISODE 88 - AJ Brown soon, Patriots OTAs! with Michael Hurley and Pete Collins!
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Introduction and Special Guests
00:00:01
Speaker
All right, I believe we're live. right, guys, welcome back. We're here. This is technically Savage Boston podcast, but also live stream, whatever you want to call it. I'm here today. I'm Scott, host of the podcast.
00:00:15
Speaker
We're here with couple special guests tonight. We got Michael Hurley, young Michael Hurley, who's you'll hear on the the Sports Hub, writing for Boston Sports Journal, accomplished Boston media personality.
00:00:28
Speaker
And we got Pete Collins, you know, hey, Fox Pro fellas, crushing crushing it on the daily, let me say. Pete's crushing it. So, yeah, i appreciate everyone tuning into this. This will be up on live streaming on Twitter, YouTube, and I'll put the podcast out later tonight. So, yeah, what is it? We're May 26th.
A.J. Brown Trade Discussion
00:00:50
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We are, what, five, six, what, six days away from June 1st, which I believe 4 p.m. on June 1st is the exact timing where A.J. Brown can be a Patriot.
00:01:02
Speaker
And now we're reaching the point where every new report basically says that there's no competition at this point And it's to the point where it it almost feels like there's kind of a new dialogue you should have, which is why are they paying a first round pick for somebody who you're not bidding against anyone else?
00:01:21
Speaker
Which is kind of a different approach, like as if the players already come in. But but who are we really bidding against? So um I'll throw to Hurley first. You know, kind of what are your thoughts on the you know, as we have six days left to go in the A.J. Brown race here?
00:01:35
Speaker
Yeah, I guess you'd mitigate that if if you get a third or a fourth back, then it sort of takes this thing away. And the fact that you're probably talking to 2028 first. But it's honestly hard for me at this point to formulate any thoughts, opinions, or feelings about the A.J. Brown trade because we've been doing it for so many months. like it's it's It's almost crazy that the date is actually coming. And I saw Florio right over the weekend.
00:01:59
Speaker
He started saying June 2nd. And it's like, I don't have, I don't have another day in me if that's the case. Like I, I just, I can't enough is enough. What do you think Pete?
00:02:10
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it's a foregone conclusion that he's a Patriot. I think the conversation has to shift as what is the compensation for AJ Brown. And like, since it's a foregone conclusion that he's going to be a new England Patriot, know, is the 20, 27 draft picks involved 20, 28 draft picks involved.
00:02:28
Speaker
But to bring it
Player Positions and Performance Evaluations
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Speaker
back to your question about the bidding war, why why pay a first? Well, maybe the handshake agreement was made so there wouldn't be a bidding war. And it avoids the bidding war by having this handshake agreement months ago saying, I'll give you your first. I'll meet your asking price because that is the asking price. And if you had taken it to bid, it might get more than that. Don't take it to bid.
00:02:48
Speaker
Take my deal now. And I'll honor that in June when when the question will be very fair. Why give me a first if there's no bid? Well, maybe it's just because this was done six months ago. Yeah. and I mean, obviously there's like, this is the weird part, dude i don't know when this story comes out. There's some sort of deal behind the scenes, some sort of handshake. i know that's what Schefter is reporting. There's no deal. There's no handshake. Like,
00:03:11
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There has to be, honestly, at this point. It would seem ridiculous if there was no prior, not negotiation, but like at least at a minimum conversation. Because again, if if we take the hypothetical, you know Breer says today, the Rams are out, you know the Chiefs aren't back in. All these teams, the Bills, they had their chance, they're out. so And if the Patriots aren't competing against anyone else, why the fuck would they trade a 20-28-1 if they don't have to? Do you know what i mean?
00:03:40
Speaker
I think it was a good point by Pete, though, because what if they're like, wait, wait, we might be able to pay less. And then you start messing around and then other teams get involved. Like, oh, I heard you might go for a third. And then we would all sit here and be like, why are they messing around? Like if they want the player and the cost is the cost and you have to get it done. And then you try to save here and there and and pay less and then someone else gets them. I think people will be more upset by that. So like a first is obviously a huge payment.
00:04:06
Speaker
But if you push it out two years, it's a little different. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. I think it's again like, i don't know, someone started, was it? Phil Perry started saying maybe it's really a you know a two with the contingency for a one. and Like floating ideas where it could be a tiny bit different or two and a four and yada yada. But um I don't know, it feels obviously it's incredibly inevitable at this point i don't know my all my mentions are eagles fans who are just like angry uh yelling at me about tweeting about aj brown for the last three months but um i don't know nothing feels quite as it feels pretty it feels pretty certain i'll i'll put it that way um but yeah this is like what do we got otas tomorrow which is the media is allowed in and we're actually going to be able to see some stuff which is cool um and i know that like
00:04:59
Speaker
we're going to talking about this for, I presume the next like two months, right? We're going to talk about, think Will Campbell is still remains the biggest talking point as to how he's going to look in training camp, how he's going to look in OTAs. um And yeah, I mean, again, do you guys think, what has to happen for him to move off of the position he's at right now?
00:05:20
Speaker
What has to go down? Will Campbell moving into guard. That's what we're talking about. Yeah. Yeah, i would say, what, week six we might be able to have this conversation.
00:05:33
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think he can lose it in camp. And and I think there's two stories with Will Campbell and my my dear my dear friend and podcast partner, Doug Kyde, wrote about it over the weekend. where And we've talked about it a lot. like There's two stories with Will Campbell. The first 13 weeks where he was...
Off-season Activities and Evaluations
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Speaker
a good NFL left tackle, like not a great, but he was probably he he he held his own and he was fine. And then there's the Will Campbell that returned from the injury who was legitimately bad and was a legitimate problem. So it's up to him now as a second year player to Tell us what he is, you know, because we've seen two different ones. And to me, I'm i'm a little more forgiving of the Texans game because Will Anderson looked like one of the best football players I've ever seen in my life that day. And he was he was he was on another level to me, like the the Chargers game where well Will Campbell was getting bullied by Khalil Mack, you know, at 36 years old, however old he is. That was a concern. He was fine in Denver. And then the Super Bowl, everyone on the offensive line was a disaster, including him. So there's a lot to prove.
00:06:36
Speaker
I think ultimately the question I would ask, and and I'm going to keep asking this, right? I'll ask both of you, even though it's your podcast. I'm asking. No, ask away, please. What's more valuable? The call it 18th best left tackle in the NFL or the fourth best guard in the NFL?
00:06:55
Speaker
Yeah, no, I think, you know what? I think Snooty, my co-host says this often. He goes, they would prefer mediocre tackle play to pretty good guard play. And and i think that's I think that's a valid point. You know what i mean? It just feels so much easier to find – a top let's say 30th percentile guard than it is to find like a really solid tackle, just like ah even top half of the league tackle. Like you, when you miss, when you miss, you miss hard at tackle. And I think like, it's such a premium position as we see every
Broadcasting Preferences and NFL Scheduling
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free agency, man, like this is what sucks. Like their whole free agency last year was borderline based off of getting Ronnie Stanley.
00:07:36
Speaker
Like that was like, that was out of guns out of the gate. Like we need to get somebody that, you know, that to me is again, that was, that was a huge miss. It's awesome. The team did as well as they did. Right. But like Ronnie Stanley was the play.
00:07:49
Speaker
And he's, as soon as that went away, like they didn't have, they had to draft, you know, they had to draft Campbell. They had to make something else happen. Right. They had, so. Yeah, I think that they want to keep him at tackle, obviously. But, you know, again, Lomo, right? Lomo gets drafted and you have like your built-in kind of contingency plan, you know. And I think there's something where – If you get to training camp, it's it's just going to be the narrative every day, right? So, you know, Mike, if you're on the sports hub and people are calling, what do you think they're going be calling about all training camp?
00:08:21
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I can picture now too, like the the daily reports, like Will Campbell allowed two sacks and ah in full in the in seven snaps of full team reps and everyone's going to freak out.
00:08:32
Speaker
But no, I think there is legitimate reason for concern because of how poorly the season ended. yeah I just think he's he's going to, barring an injury or something, like he'll be the left tackle to start the year. I don't think you punt right now, but the fact that you do have sort of a a safety net in place tells you that the team is at least, I don't want to say planning on it, but having contingency plans.
00:08:54
Speaker
yeah You don't bury this guy over a bad playoff run while he's injured, especially considering the position is left tackle. Like how hard is it to replace a left tackle versus how hard is it to play replace a left guard? We replaced the left guard this off season.
00:09:09
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That's how easy it is, right?
Patriots' Schedule Challenges
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Like we can't, you can't necessarily replace a tackle ah as swiftly. But OTA is coming around. That's exactly what Hurley. That's exactly what people are going to be calling in. Oh, Lomo took snaps at left tackle today. Oh, that's exactly what the, phone calls are going to be. I can already see it.
00:09:27
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Bro, you're going to your boy Doug is going to be sitting there and he's going to have the notebook, dude. And he's going to have his like his Herald column where he's going to like, all right, here's the amount of snaps Will Campbell had. Here's how many pressures. here's You know what i mean? Like, yeah we're going to have like the Will Campbell watch every day. It's going to be and and it's going to get a little silly, but that's genuinely going happen.
00:09:49
Speaker
Well, Moses doesn't usually participate too often early in the season. So if Moses isn't there, then it's like Lomo better be at right tackle, right? And if Lomo's still not at right tackle with Morgan Moses out, then you're like, what is happening? You can start flying some rumors around there, right? Like, oh, he's a left tackle. only He's not even taking snaps at right. you know Then the rumors will really fly. But yeah, don't expect to see Morgan Moses out there. Expect to see the young guys out there. I always want to see where they are, who that who's next to them when they're out there. Like, those are the important things to pay attention to, not if you're losing reps with basketball shorts on.
00:10:23
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Yeah. I mean, the big boys come on when the pads come on. You know, it's really like, what can you figure out on the offensive line before the pads come on? i mean, that's like not until the not until you have like the Eagles in the building or something like that. Not until there's another team in the building. Like, cause even remember last year, we we're analyzing Keon White versus Will Campbell and garnering nothing. Keon White got dumped. Right. And hook yeah I was handling him a little bit. yeah right that's where Oh, my God. Will Campbell might
Depth and Drafting in Defense
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stink because he can't. Keon White.
00:10:51
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not an NFL caliber and Will Campbell started in the Super Bowl. Right. So it's like we have to remember our OTA takes and how they'll how they'll last over the season. Like these guys are in basketball shorts. They can't hit each other as hard as they want.
00:11:04
Speaker
You know, so many factors have to be considered here with OTAs. And I i write myself a little note from last year like hey pete please don't overreact to basketball shorts when when this rolls around next year please remember this please remember these are the good things to look at at otas and these are the things you should ignore one of them is the left tackle position you probably could ignore with basketball shorts on yeah i mean we you know yeah you was you go for it well i just think uh i think back a few years ago i was at i think it was minicamp Cole Strange was out there. And I forget if it was year two or year three.
00:11:39
Speaker
And he's in there. And then all of a sudden, he's off in the medical shed area. And then we never saw him again. So I think that's the only thing that can happen. He hasn't played again. That's the only thing that can happen at these things where it's like football-adjacent activities.
00:11:57
Speaker
You go and you watch you know receivers go against corners. That's fun when they do that. You watch the deep balls. And you know everything else is like going to practice practice, like full pads practice. Even nowadays, isn't what it used to be. like There is no real great takeaways from off-season workouts. They're just... they' just Yeah. Part of the process. And they're voluntary. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, you won't see booty there. But like, ah unfortunately, like we can't help ourselves. I think that's what I've settled on with so much football.
00:12:28
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Like, because I'm part of the like
Defensive Strategies and Adaptations
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complainers about all the Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, all the football. And it's like, I'll watch it because we can't help ourselves. Like we're just so it looks like football and it feels like football. So we're going to act like it's football, but we know it isn't.
00:12:44
Speaker
Yeah, the um that's actually a weird that they're just putting football in every single night. if You know, it's kind of funny. Like, what is it, Thanksgiving week where there's – Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
00:12:56
Speaker
Was it Wednesday night last year too? don't think so. This Friday? There's a Friday. That's what i was saying. Dude, you have Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then like college football Saturday, and then – And then Christmas week.
00:13:09
Speaker
Christmas week is just as crazy because Christmas day is a Friday. So I think they do – Thursday night, Christmas Eve, Friday, they have maybe two or three games. And then probably Saturday, because it's that time of year. And then Sunday. And it's like, i don't know about you guys. Like, there were and NBA playoff games this year where if it was on prime, I was like, I don't.
00:13:30
Speaker
I'm not going to put it on. Like I i got my cable going. Like I just, so can't put back and forth. Right. Like if the Red Sox are playing the same time as the Celtics, you couldn't like flip back and forth easily. It's a huge complaint I have.
00:13:41
Speaker
So it's, it's, it's gonna, it's gonna wear us out. We will watch though, but we will watch, but I don't know. They're, they're pushing it. This is like my most Felger-esque take is that like I agree 100% with the streaming services. It absolutely drives me fucking crazy. I cannot stand it. You shouldn't have games on Hulu and then like Peacock. like There was a game, like a playoff game on fucking Peacock, dude. Yeah, the Chiefs-Dolphins frozen tundra type game.
Roster Transitions and Strategic Adjustments
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Remember that one?
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think that was Peacock. Why are they? I just don't understand what they're doing. I mean, know what they're doing. They want money. You know the answer. The answer is money. They like money. What? I get the money argument, but again, like, I think it's ridiculous that like truly ridiculous. I know like we're all probably aging, aging now and we all sound old, but you shouldn't have. I was a kid, I just turned on the TV and all the channels are right there and I just picked what I wanted to watch and I never had a flip back. You got it, man. That's like, that's exactly what I'm saying. That's right. Right. But it's a spot on take though. I couldn't agree more.
00:14:44
Speaker
I think one of the hardest things about getting old is when you start agreeing with Felger about stuff. You're like, oh, man, that's true it's true, man. It is. It happens. And you just I just stare at the mirror like what happened to me, man?
00:14:58
Speaker
Well, certainly yeah. I don't know. it's It's an absolute joke. I don't mind, dude. Honestly, if they if they do have games like a Wednesday night and Thanksgiving or a Friday night, you like you said, you know you're going to watch it. There's no zero chance you put a game on the night before Thanksgiving and I'm not watching the game. don't even know what's going I'll tell you who it is because I got it right here. On Wednesday night, you got Packers at Rams on Netflix. Dude, that's sick. Yeah. It's a sick game.
00:15:23
Speaker
Thanksgiving, you have Bears at Lions, and then you have Eagles at Cowboys, and then your night game, which is on TV, Chiefs at Bills, which is potential game of the year always. Yeah, yeah. Then Friday at 3, you have Broncos at Steelers. mights That might stink, but it's on Prime.
00:15:39
Speaker
then you got your They don't have Saturday that week. Thank Broncos, Steelers? Yeah, I don't know about the Steelers. can see that being a really atrocious game for Aaron Rodgers if the extremely off chance that he's
Significance of Regular Season vs Playoffs
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still healthy.
00:15:50
Speaker
True. Yeah, I mean, the Steelers, they rate, though. Like, people watch for the helmet. They'll they'll get ratings, but that game might stink. Yeah, I think they'll get ratings. I just think that's going to be an atrocious game, like genuinely an atrocious game.
00:16:02
Speaker
um But yeah, no, it's, ah I don't mean the schedule stuff is is always fun to go through. we like, you don't know, it looks hard now for the past, butre like, you don't know who's going to be, you don't know who's going to be a tough opponent at the time. Like shit could change so quickly. Like, again, I talk about the Chiefs a lot, man, and I'm not trying to just rag on them for attention whatever online, but like, i don't know how good that team's going to be.
00:16:25
Speaker
They didn't really improve. They added a running back. They got worse on defense. Kelsey's older. Rasheed Rice can't stay out of jail. Like, you're telling me, like, how is that that much better of a team?
00:16:36
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Seriously. And how mobile and strong will Patrick Mahomes be? Because that's the biggest thing. When everyone was doing like goat stuff, and I'm like, like the the accomplishments are undeniable, but he's also like fatter than me.
00:16:51
Speaker
And that's impressive for an NFL quarterback to be like, yeah he has not dedicated himself to maintaining his body. And he's now at an age, Patrick Mahomes, where that matters. And it's like, all these people would be like, oh, if you extrapolate out, he's going to...
00:17:07
Speaker
accomplish more than Brady. And it's like, he has to start exercising. And I don't know if maybe a ah torn ACL is like a wake up call to get him to, to start fixating on that. But if he doesn't, there's a chance he starts going the wrong way, which is something no one was thinking about, but it's kind of important.
00:17:25
Speaker
Dude, I think – like, look at his numbers. Have you looked his numbers last few seasons? I mean, like,
Patriots' Running Game Improvements
00:17:30
Speaker
he's he's been ah average quarterback. I know, like, he won the Super Bowl one of those years, but he hasn't been great.
00:17:37
Speaker
um You know, and he's – last year, especially, he declined. He makes a ton of errand throws all the time. He's almost intercepted all the time. Like, there's genuinely – don't know. He's been getting worse. If he has a bounce-back year, good for him, man. But, like, honestly, I don't i don't trust – I don't trust what's going on there, especially like you said, he's kind out of shape coming off an ACL.
00:17:58
Speaker
you know, it feels the name. The name is Patrick Holmes. The coach is Andy Reed. The defense is still good, you know, based on their coaching. And if you look at last year, I think they were one in nine in close games. So like the record isn't a complete reflection of like the talent level of the roster, but I agree with you. I don't think they did themselves any favors this off season, but Vegas still has them at what 10 and a half is the line on them. They it's still projected to win more than the Patriots are projected to win. So make it make sense.
00:18:28
Speaker
yeah i I would take the under I mean I'm not not a gambling guy but like so don't quote me but take the under on that one the I think the under is actually the minus money and the over is plus money but if Patrick Mahomes was as soon as you see his health the over I think becomes a lot more attractive for a lot more betters Yeah, I don't know, man. We'll see. All right, we'll pivot back to the Pats. Obviously, you get stuck in the Chiefs. With the Patriots schedule, you were saying like the opponents, like that's what we spent all the offseason talking about. But then the schedule came out.
00:18:59
Speaker
I feel like the logistics are... horrible for them. Like, I feel like the way that we, what we were talking about with the, all the Wednesdays and Thursdays and what like having two Thursday games
Coaching Performances and Audience Engagement
00:19:10
Speaker
is terrible for a football team. Like yeah we forget. Cause it's been around for so long. Like the human body wasn't designed to play football four days after a previous game. And they have to do that twice. They have that stretch after the buy.
00:19:23
Speaker
So they go to Los Angeles for Sunday night football against the chargers. Then they got to come back at God knows when they'll lose Monday. so they're they're basically on a shortened week and then they have the bills at home that week which is going to be probably game of the year type situation and then they have to turn around and play minnesota on a thursday and it's like they do get the long rest after that before a monday night in kansas city but it's like that three week stretch at that time of year where the bodies are starting to wear down it's brutal and like they they have a few of those where
00:19:54
Speaker
you know, the, the, the first Thursday game is on the road and then they're on the road the next week. Like, it's just that part is playing more of a factor to me than like the teams where I'm like, I had them at like 10 on 11.
00:20:06
Speaker
Maybe it's more like nine, 10 because of how, how deep up they'll be. But do you see that? floridas Well, it's like Warren, hold on. Warren sharp had this like interesting, he's the analytic guy. He did this really kind of interesting post where he talked about the plus and minus rest days thing.
00:20:22
Speaker
Right. And like, There's, you know, it's not another excuse to say like, oh, the Pats have an easy schedule or whatever, but like there's some legitimate legitimacy to that. If you have a ton of positive, or you know, positive rest, right? So for instance, your Thursday game, then maybe you play, you know, You go Thursday to the next Sunday, and then that Sunday to Monday night football. So you're another like plus one, right? The Patriots are on the plus side of rest days. They have a favorable rest schedule versus some teams. I think it's the Chargers are getting absolutely dicked over.
00:20:54
Speaker
Like they have like a negative 10 like rest differential. Like they have some of the worst travel. You know what mean? So you're like – differential. I love it. Yeah, they're right I mean, but it was, I thought it was really interesting only because it was, it felt new.
00:21:05
Speaker
And I was like, all right, you don't read a lot about this. You know what i mean? But like, there's, I feel like there's some legitimacy to that. If you get jerked around by the schedule pretty aggressively, like, especially from West coast, East coast, like going to fucking ah who's going to Australia, like that's a horrible trip.
00:21:21
Speaker
Last year we didn't travel at all. So you talk about cupcake schedule, right? Like on top of that, I think the furthest was New Orleans. That was the only time we went west of the Mississippi and it's on the Mississippi. Like, what are we doing here? You know, so like this year, I'm pretty sure we're traveling just shy of 28,000 miles with two West coast trips. Hurley, you mentioned the, the, the Thursday night short turnaround time, the other Thursday night game. I believe is after a home game with the jets, which is played at one o'clock. And and then you go to Chicago for a nighttime game. So like you do, have you get the benefit there. You get the benefit in week two, where you play on Wednesday against the Seahawks, right opener. And then you get that extra time going into week two, the home opener against Pittsburgh. So there's like some pluses that you can add to the minuses, but this schedule is harder. You have eight playoff teams, the opening stretch, four straight playoff teams from last year. This schedule is entirely harder when it comes to the opponents. The schedule is entirely harder when it comes to the travel.
00:22:16
Speaker
And that's the thing, like the timing matters. Like if you could get a Wednesday to Sunday in November or December, that's incredible. But it's almost wasted. It's like, all right, you you're not tired in week two. But so like that Bills one I took, for example, so you're coming back from Sunday night football.
00:22:31
Speaker
yeah you ah You have a shortened week. The Bills play the previous Thursday. So like the Bills will be in that extra rest period. And it's like it's all how it works out in timing wise. And I just... I feel like players used to revolt and rebel against the Thursday night football.
00:22:46
Speaker
ah But now it's just like, oh, not only is that fight lost, but ah you got two of them. Deal with it. like it's That's ridiculous. It's not just the Patriots either. Well, I pulled up the image just because it is interesting. So the Pats are ah top five. They're fifth in the NFL in rest differential. They have a plus 8.5 rest days.
00:23:05
Speaker
to their schedule right but again you down to the charge so the chargers if you see the charge it's ridiculous they have by far the worst a negative 24 rest days like you got to somehow peak their schedule and it's atrocious like so somehow like they have ah ah a genuine grievance imagine if you're like a chargers player or part of the organization and like you have a genuine case there if you get jerked over by the schedule you know The Patriots have only played on Thursday night twice in the same season, four times, right? So this is a rare occurrence that you get two Thursday night games. Last time was 2022. So it's been a minute and it doesn't happen too often. Well, those are usually when you're in the season opener because you're in the Super Bowl and then you get your. So we're in the season opener and we still have the Thursday and night games. I think one of the one of the times we won the Super Bowl, we didn't play the season opener. It was one of those rare times where the Super Bowl winner didn't actually play. But we've had so many Super Bowl wins and openers. You know what that was? That.
00:24:00
Speaker
that was the 50th anniversary of the league i want to say in 2017 that that sounds all right so they my memory is good as yours i think they did like a classic matchup whatever that was like packers bears i don't know are you heading to any games this season mike do you got any uh games in mind you want to go to I mean, i'd like to go for work, but you know how that goes these days. Yeah, that's nice. Not a whole lot of work going around, but no, I so I hadn't been to a game as a paying customer. I went in the castle year.
00:24:39
Speaker
oh ah because they got blown out at in san diego on a sunday night and they were home the next week on monday night against denver and no one wanted to go so i went for like 25 bucks you do the front stick and then i went to the 09 playoff game against the ravens the infamous uh ray rice game where it was over before it started so after that i didn't go until the last game of the gerard mayo era Because I was like, i was i wasn't working at the time, and tickets were dirt cheap. So I was like, so those are the those are my experiences at Gillette. So other than that, no. i don't
00:25:12
Speaker
Outside of work, mean, been there many times. It's week 18 against the Bills, the Joe Milton win again. And then you saw Rice destroy us. Yeah, you've had a bad track record. Yeah, stay home. I've been to a million games in between there, but I was there for work. As an enjoyment factor, yeah. I don't think...
00:25:31
Speaker
In the 08 game, they did blow out the Broncos, but Rodney Harrison tore his quad and never played again. So it was nothing but bad news. Nothing but bad news. By the way, I was at the that 2009 Pass Ravens game, but I was not in the building. I was outside selling T-shirts.
00:25:48
Speaker
uh for boston sports company in 2009 hawking t-shirts of people in the street and after they lost i was told to go out there and try to sell people t-shirts as i almost got murdered by everyone walking by insulting me and yelling at me outside so that was great that was really that was really fun time uh atrocious game um uh want to spin this back so i saw it was weird this
00:26:14
Speaker
ah what yesterday on on the sports hub um it was in one of their promos at night because callahan filled in on the on on monday or the holiday for i think don darrow yeah for like a weekday whatever holiday show right yeah i was in in the morning no big deal oh are you there you go thanks for listening i know so i should i i'm gonna start i'll clip you next time i'll get you ah you give me a good clip and then bang right now yeah i'll be in tomorrow afternoon i'll try to think of something that's clippable yeah you gotta Yeah, throw it out of the room. like, all right, here's here's my aggregation. and yeah no yeah
00:26:49
Speaker
i thought I thought it was weird. It was funny. He said something along the lines of like you know the team is aware that will you know like the Will Campbell moving thing, like the team is aware that there's no guarantee. like The way he said it felt like, okay, is this – It's like you're reporting something here. Is this like, is this for radio effect? You know, and I'm assuming because Callahan is a good reporter. I assume that's that has some some backing to it. Did you guys see that clip?
00:27:16
Speaker
Yeah. What did you guys make of that clip? Did you gaugee gauge anything from that? I interpret it as the Patriots are not dumb and they haven't locked themselves into saying that he's a left tackle and we won't hear any other argument. And, you know, anybody who says that's wrong, you know, that's the Patriots like, no, we're not dumb. If we see he can't handle the left tackle position, then we'll see if he can handle a left guard. know, like yeah that yeah that checks all all right next conversation i kind of feel like that's what might be happening inside the patriots walls and i think callahan has every reason and right to report like hey they're not locked in guys like they haven't like you know married him to left tackle they're just saying for right now you're the left tackle and i think that should be true for a lot of positions like we saw mappu go from safety to linebacker right like if you're better suited
00:28:00
Speaker
at a different position, you should play the position that better suits you, right? It just, we need to take some time to flush that out. And especially at left tackle, and especially with the draft capital that you put towards a MAPU is a very different player than Will Campbell is just based on the draft position and and ceiling.
00:28:17
Speaker
And I think you sort of get a glimpse into the way Mike Vrabel handles business. And I was there when they got back from the Super Bowl and Vrabel did his little press conference and was as emphatic as possible. Like, Will's our tackle. like Will's our tackle. Will's our tackle. And I think the reason he did that was because at the time, Will was, you know, emotional and vulnerable. And he just been embarrassed in the freaking Superbowl. And that's what variable does is he has your back, but I think also he's a pragmatist and here you are months removed from that. And you have to have plans because if that is what Campbell ends up being, they need to be prepared for that. But um yeah, cause remember Campbell didn't talk after the Superbowl. He did.
00:28:58
Speaker
Flip out. Yeah. People criticized him. lot People got on him for that. Right. That he wouldn't come on say anything after the game. Yeah. Which, you know, people love to do. i probably yeah do it But I did it. i got on him for it. I was like, you know, I at least go out there and show your, you know, be vulnerable upset.
00:29:14
Speaker
is kind of what i was looking for from like a fan he's like yeah i suck today that's all i wanted to hear and i don't really want to talk much more about it i just had a bad day i'll talk to you tomorrow when i'm cooled off and that's exactly what he did do as soon as he was cooled off he got in front of the cameras owned it and and yeah i was all fine as a fan you know in the moment though we're hot too just as much as he is don't we forget like he's a legitimate kid Yeah, imagine when you're he's young. Like if I was 21 in front of a camera, like give me a break. It's it's ah it's a lot. But um I feel bad still because I can't help myself being like a wise-ass bad person. So during the Super Bowl, when Drake May fumbled and the ball was there, there was like a screenshot where Will Campbell was just looking at it. And then I forget who it was on the Seahawks that just dove for it and got it. And I think I said like Will Campbell wasn't willing to fight and die for this loose ball. And was like, oh, God.
00:30:05
Speaker
I didn't feel great about it. It goes it goes triple platinum on on on Twitter. and I don't love myself, but I am what I am. You're right, though It's actually turned his age. So, like, 21 last season. Like, thinking about it, like, he's closer in age to my children than me.
00:30:25
Speaker
Whoa. yeah and And thinking about – you put that into context, right? And you're like, all right. you know Yeah, like he's he's young. like If that was your child – I mean, we don't have to get all ridiculous. But like you know if that was your kid, you'd be like, hey, it's all right. you know Obviously, you want someone to have the poise like Drake made it.
00:30:45
Speaker
But like not everyone is – like Drake May is built for this shit. You know what I And I think people have to understand that. Like I truly believe like – that's why everyone is so high on him, man. Like he's built for this shit.
00:30:55
Speaker
He got up there, was vulnerable, was sad, but was like I got to do better job. Like Drake knows what the fuck he's doing. He's a great leader, and I think that's why he's perfect for the team, and he and he's going to be an excellent player. And I think Will might mature a little bit, but like there's we're not going hear the end of this shit with the with the position battle stuff until he like really has a great full season.
00:31:19
Speaker
Because, the frankly, the way his body's built, he's designed to be a better guard, unfortunately. That's the reality of having a 77-inch wingspan, which is – the zero percentile for wingspan for offensive tackles.
00:31:32
Speaker
He's zero, the zero percentile. Did you see the picture of Demetrius Crownover with him? Oh, my God. Yeah, dude, this is the same shit as last year with fucking Jack Conley, dude. Remember that photo? Yeah, I do. But they're like – either the same height or maybe a one inch difference in Campbell literally looked like his child. Speaking of children, it was, it's, it was eyeopening where you're like, I see it. That doesn't mean you can't play tackle, but boy, is it a lot easier to be enormous?
00:31:59
Speaker
Yeah. We know that even Morgan Moses can barely fucking move and he does a pretty good job because he's giant and and it has long arms, you know? So remember who's a giant.
00:32:10
Speaker
Caleb Lomo. You know, who's a giant is Caleb Lomo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy's a beast. I like Lomo too. Lomo's got longer arms than 82 inch, if I'm off the top of my head, 82 inch wingspan, I think, from the combine. And also very, very athletic, good scores. There's nothing wrong with Lomo's build other than they're saying – you know, the toughness factor, you know, but let's see how it looks on the field. I'm not going to criticize someone's toughness until, as you we were saying earlier, you get them in the pads. Like you got to see what does he look like and can't.
00:32:39
Speaker
Yeah. But you could take the same point and throw it back to the Will Campbell, right? Like who cares what his wingspan is? What's it look like on the field? And what we saw on the field all year long was pretty good left tackle. So pretty decent. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty good. So if he's going to go out there and be pretty good, you got, you know, let the let the children's table talk about the arm length and let us talk about the tape and how he actually does on the field right like we're talking about if you're watching on the simulcast like this much this is what that's how much we're talking about like that yeah that doesn't do much for me you know what i mean like how good how good can you block but that picture was alarming uh he looked like it looked like someone looked like ai had made him a little bit smaller and the and and crown over a little bigger to like mess with us and then when i found out it was real was a little depressing that that's my left tackle but Hey, if in a year or two from now we have a better left tackle and he's the best, whod our best left guard, then he'll see that logic a little bit better than, Hey, we don't even have a left tackle vote. You're kicked out because you're so bad. That's a different, that's a different. Remember that um that picture from the Super Bowl with Trent Brown and like um Aaron Donald?
00:33:41
Speaker
Do guys remember that photo? I know you've seen that. I've seen so many of this photo. It looks like, Trent Brown looks like an ogre from Lord of the Rings versus like, you know, like a hobbit of, have you seen this photo? Oh my god Yeah, you're looking at – Aaron Donald is up to his nipples.
00:33:56
Speaker
Yeah, dude. I remember that from the Super Bowl and I was like, oh, God. And ah and obviously that's not the whole story. Aaron Donald doesn't need any – Aaron Donald's a pretty good – Is that maybe – is that a different Donald? is that like Bob Donald who didn't know about? Like what the hell? Yeah, that's Alan Donald. um Yeah, no. That's crazy.
00:34:15
Speaker
There's some eye-opening shit like that, man, but it's like you never know. i brown I used, I have a picture him from after the super bowl. I took from like under his chin and I was like, I don't think I could touch the top of his head. He was around six, eight around three 60 Aaron Donald six, one around two 80. So he's got about seven inches and a hundred pounds on the guy. You know what though? Like Aaron Donald was again, this is random. So if you're listening to this again, love you for listening. You're a football sicko. Appreciate you being here. Considering we're on May 26 and we're two months before camp. Love you.
00:34:51
Speaker
Okay, I really do. But like this is when Donald came out like Donald Aaron Donald was a defensive tackle. um Modern defensive tackle player before people knew what they wanted. I don't know if I didn't say that right. But like not like a big fat run stuffer. It was like an impact player on the interior, which. Yeah, like he. Yeah. So he's like Milton Williams almost now, who is not massive. Like millions like 290, 6'3", 285. but very quick, explosive, you know, fast hands, like can play on the one technique, play a three technique. He can, you know, play you heads up. He can, but he's a gap player, you know, like he does all this great shit on the D line. Right. But like Aaron Donald was doing that shit and ran, i think he ran like a four, six,
00:35:38
Speaker
like Aaron Donald was, i had to look up at his RAS, but just so brutally elite athletically. And they just put him in the interior and they're like, just go for it. They're like, here, yep, do what you need to do here. See this A-gap?
00:35:52
Speaker
I want you to gash through the, you know what i mean? And like, he's a Hall of Famer. So there's a reason, you know, some guys are just unbelievable. I have a a football sicko fun fact for you. Yes.
00:36:02
Speaker
I found this because talking about mor Morgan Moses this offseason, you're kind of like, oh, was he going to retire? Is he going to be? Yeah. So he his rookie year was 2014. He played half the year. I don't know if he was hurt or whatever. He played eight games since 2015. He has missed.
00:36:18
Speaker
Six games. What? And most of that's recently, right? three Three years ago and three three years ago. He's played every other game in his career. So beast, dude.
00:36:28
Speaker
That does have to end at some point, but it's just like... Think about the body because you mentioned like he can barely move like yeah about the knees and the hips and the quads and the back like if the the amount of brute force that has been impacted upon it and that he is impacted on others and it's like man some like you talk about like built different.
00:36:47
Speaker
Yeah, that's something that doesn't what was he drafted he was ah third round pick. Yeah, it's like you. I don't know, man. The body is the body is a mystery and i in many ways. And I feel like we're spending a lot of time on Will Campbell's body. It's like TBD. That's how I'm on TBD, how he plays.
00:37:05
Speaker
good You to talk about bodies on the O-line? Elijah Veritucka's body has broken down three different times on the O-line. Luckily, different triceps. so um Yeah, but I'm hopeful for that, Pete, because as you talked about, right it's not like just my fucking hammy keeps going. you know it's like he's got devastating injuries. What do you have, two torn triceps? Different triceps, like that' mind you.
00:37:28
Speaker
Imagine when it happens the second time. You're just laying there like, I know exactly what this is, and I'm so pissed. I can't imagine how terrible that – like, that's horrible. But, like but again, like you know that, A, that dude's an elite athlete. You've got to just hope you're not going to have something catastrophic again. If he has a catastrophic injury, I'm sorry, bro. That's just yes is genetics. it's like ah It's like Roman Anthony swinging a bat and deciding to like hurt himself every time he takes a swing. You know, it's like, is that just random shit? That's when Kassas started that.
00:37:59
Speaker
You know, yeah, Cass the same shit, you know, not looping into baseball. But like, but yeah, it's the same shit, dude. like Some guys just get hurt. Some guys don't. It's just genetic. And unfortunately, you hope someone like Roman Anthony isn't that person.
00:38:12
Speaker
um But, you know, again, Morgan Moses playing like that for that long is pretty incredible. um But yeah, let me ah let me spin around. Do you guys have anything specific you'd like to see from like OTAs or anyone you actually want to watch, either just from a fan perspective or something you're like interested in?
00:38:29
Speaker
i would say the wide receiver room is the most interesting to me. Romeo Dobbs is new. I haven't had the chance to lay eyes on them. And you get to see how they act this week before A.J. Brown and then after A.J. Brown. So maybe before and after it could be the only interesting thing outside of offensive line pairings and groupings. That's that's that's about it for me.
00:38:49
Speaker
I'm interested. I mean, we're not going to get, like, results or anything like that at OTAs. But, like, the Gabe Akis... I don't want to call it like a hype train, but he's gotten a ton of praise from a lot of corners since getting drafted. I'm kind of like, all right, I'm open to it. Like things could happen, but he's also the ninth Ed Drescher drafted this year.
00:39:08
Speaker
So, but that doesn't really necessarily mean anything once they start. So I'm interested to see what he looks like just as a player. We're not going to obviously... take deep takeaways on on how he plays in OTAs. But I think he's probably the most interesting outside of maybe the tight end, the most interesting rookie to see how they just how they look. I think that's ultimately like we can't even see how they look in pads because they're not wearing them. So not even that, just how they look.
00:39:33
Speaker
Just how they look in shorts. That's a nice looking guy. that's up And what order? I feel like the order is a big thing that you can look at. Like, are they the third? Is he is Yakis the third ah edge rusher that sent out there? Or do they put ponder ahead of him? Oh, yeah. Who are they? how far do they stuff their rookies? Because I feel like Rabel likes to stuff rookies.
00:39:52
Speaker
deep down the depth chart at the beginning and make them earn their way up as he should right that seems to make a lot of sense but how far down does he stuff some of these guys like raritan all right is he he should be on the field for a lot of snaps right he shouldn't be considered your uh stuffed third tight end he should be out there right and hill should be out there for blocking reared in for catching you know if they want to have a little disguise they swap between the two You know, like, what what do they think about their linebacker room? Because they're rolling into it with a very light linebacker room. Like, who do they identify somebody that I'm not seeing as a key part of this linebacker room? Because it can't be Britt and it can't be, I don't even know how to say the guy's name, Obese or the linebacker. and then He's like a special teamer. Well, yeah, he's a special teamer in these six-round picks. you know I mean, we can't be relying on them. So is it really just Spillane and Ellis as a linebacker? And that's it because that scares the crap out of me. I feel like that is the biggest thing that nobody's talking about is why is this linebacker room so bad?
00:40:49
Speaker
Yeah. It's funny because I'm trying to – like last year, if we were doing this on May 26th, and I was like, guys, Jack Gibbons is an important player. You would have been like – Okay, man, like good story. But then the season plays out the way it does. You'll lean on him a lot. He's a reliable middle linebacker. And that's the question. Like if you're ever going to be thin at off ball linebacker, like now is the era to be thin at it.
00:41:15
Speaker
But yeah, They played with fire with their lack of depth so much last year, whether it was tight end, whether it was safety, whether it was off-ball linebacker. They're across the board, tackle. like They were so thin in so many spots, and it didn't kill them that you're almost waiting for it to happen this year. And that would be a spot where they really can't afford it.
00:41:34
Speaker
like where they messed by though right like Gibbons was a Vrabel guy, so I feel like he had that built-in trust. When I look at the linebacker room, i don't or ah anywhere outside of like maybe Corey Durden has some built-in trust on the defensive line that you know other people that weren't so tapped in wouldn't necessarily think of that thought or ponder being on the team from last year. right But like when you look at the linebacker room,
00:41:57
Speaker
what I mean, is KJ Britt this year's guy? like i just i don't he's i was humored too i I wasn't saying like one of those guys is going to be Jack Gibbons. I was just saying it's crazy that Jack Gibbons, that it got to the point where Gibbons leaving in free agency stung.
00:42:13
Speaker
You're like, oh, ah that would not have forecast that. Yeah, Tonga is bad. Honestly, dude, so they were going to draft. I mean, this is like, I believe this wholeheartedly. They were going to draft an off-ball linebacker in like the fourth round, and they just traded the pick.
00:42:26
Speaker
and they did it twice. you know i mean Like, so was it in your head, was it worth not drafting a good off-ball linebacker in order to go get Akis, in order to go get Raritan, right? Or sorry, Lomu, right? Because they traded up for Lomu and Akis. They had to make a move and give up picks for both those players. And I think it's like, again, in their head, does it balance out? Like they were able to get Lomu and maybe Lomu was going to go, you know, 30th overall or something, right? And like, So they were able to get the players. In my opinion, those are the two big pieces they wanted in some respect, but they had to go get them. They gave up a ton for Akis. So like, that's where I think they missed. And and's I don't want to even say it's a miss because it's not a miss yet. If those players are great players at elite positions, then it's not a miss. You know what i mean? Like it's not a miss at all, but that was what they were going to do. I agree hundred percent. I think it's Stan. I still think edge is really thin.
00:43:21
Speaker
Like you don't have an elite edge, you know, like edge to me, like Trey Montrose, I think will be solid. um I think you they need an elite edge though. Like they have elite D tackles. Like that's where they get yeah i think they have elite beat tackles. They don't have elite edges. And I think like, would you rather have an elite edge or an elite D tackle?
00:43:37
Speaker
And I think both can be quite disruptive. i would you read our just Our defensive tackles are the most disruptive though. Like we get our pass rush on the interior and we run support and set the edges on the outside. So I feel like that's the design of this line is like blasted up the middle. Right. And then yeah if Draymond Jones can contain on the edge, that's good. And and traditionally they run 3D tackles and an edge. They don't go d D tackles surrounded by edges on both sides. So it just needs to be one of Landry.
00:44:05
Speaker
Jones, Yakis, you know, you could even go ponder, right? I think they have great edge depth and are positioned well from interior pass rush. The thing I don't think they replace is the Tonga that, you know, like they don't have a nose tack. I don't have ah a run stuffer up the middle. So I feel like their line lacks, but I don't think it needs an elite edge rusher. Would it benefit? Yes. Every offensive line or every defensive line in the NFL would benefit from an elite you know, edge rusher, but this line, I think is constructed pretty well.
00:44:37
Speaker
Although I will say the front seven is the biggest concern I have on this whole team because of the linebacker core being included in that front seven. But, uh, I I'm confident with, with the D tackle duo surrounded by Draymond Jones, Harold Landry and Gabe Yacos.
00:44:52
Speaker
I still think in that regard, like the Anthony Jennings thing is still weird where it's like you have a guy who's actually like he's good at setting the edge. like He's not good at rushing the passer, but a guy that can just plant himself and set an an edge to just, i don't know, he barely made the team last year. He barely found a role and they needed him and he was fine. It's weird that they cut him so early this offseason, but.
00:45:12
Speaker
I don't think it'll be major just fucking hated him for some reason. Yeah, yeah they had an out for Every time he played, or you're like, man, I really like Janet. He's playing really well. And we watched as spectators, we're like, wow he's really doing really well. And then they just fucking hate him. i don't know like Didn't they make him play along with Duggar the entire preseason?
00:45:33
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. He was almost a camp casualty. That's what I was about to say is that he almost didn't get out of camp and then played himself onto the team is kind of how I viewed it. Well, do dude, so honestly, when we, talk when we talked to ah Doug on the kind on the pod last year, like last summer,
00:45:52
Speaker
We're like, you know, who's sneaky cut candidates. We talked about the safety position last year about with both Peppers and Duggar. We're like theorizing which one could be cut. And everyone's like, no, no, no. And like they both, they both went.
00:46:06
Speaker
And I think that was like pretty shocking for people. And then you realize like, this is not the type of player they want. They just didn't want that mold. They don't want that type of guy. Like they basically want, just like the whole NFL is going right now. And this is where the analytic piece comes in. They want a bunch of just fucking fast guys. That's what everyone wants. Like, look at the Seattle Seahawks. What do they have?
00:46:25
Speaker
Like they just have guys who fly everywhere. Linebacker. They got tweeners. Like everyone, it's just like positionless basketball. but on defense. And again, like I brought this up a bunch before you, like you have your deep tackle unit and then you have your linebacker and a secondary unit.
00:46:40
Speaker
And it's Mike McDonald does the best job in the world at doing this shit for Seattle, you know, like, um and so it's, it's hard to get the the players to do this. Like you need guys who are these perfect tweener positions that, And perfect builds like Nick Immuori is the perfect player or Kyle Hamilton or Derwin James, right these perfect tweener safeties. That's the hardest kind of guy to get.
00:47:05
Speaker
but when you get it, man, it really just it it opens up your defensive playbook. I really wish the Patriots drafted a third safety and and went into the big nickel package for this defense. I just feel like Marcus Jones gets taken advantage of too often down in the red zone. and And if they did, you know, go a little bigger with the safety, but still be able to play that nickel, because you're right. Everybody wants to fly around on the field, and it kind of relates to the linebacker issue that we're having. it's Maybe it's thin because...
00:47:35
Speaker
there's not as many linebackers off-ball linebackers needed on the field at the same time or even maybe on a roster right most of these guys are on the line or they're hybrid players that could play elsewhere and linebacker doesn't really have that hybrid flex to it you know you might rather pull a safety into the box because they can cover right Whereas the linebacker might have a a harder time with that. But yeah, no, the the league is transitioning away from the, who is our, who is the guy that we had at middle linebacker? I'm drawing it Bentley.
00:48:04
Speaker
We've had plenty of guys on this team that just are the old school Belichick style linebackers. And we're moving away from that. Belichick would hate this modern NFL defensive, or at least from a roster construction standpoint.
00:48:17
Speaker
yeah i wonder how I wonder how he'd adjust. He did. That's why he's gone, right? well he I think i mean Bill Belichick failed. he He lost the ability to to draft and build a roster. He a completely fucking malfunctioned. That's a whole other podcast, right? we could I know. i don like I didn't mean to start you on a rant. You were about to go into it, I could tell. save you We watched the team slowly deteriorate. like He stopped being able to draft and he Completely fucking he fucked up. He's too busy going around hooking up with Jordan and meeting her on planes when she was 19 years old.
00:48:54
Speaker
And he was 69. Did you notice on that PMT interview he did how he was asked, like, would you rather work for the Jets or drink coffee? And he was like, work for the Jets. yeah to me That to me was like, I'd do it. I'd come back.
00:49:08
Speaker
there they hired want one more coaching in the nfl again i think he i think he might now hate the patriots at least the owner more than the jets so i thought it was a bizarre quote and we don't have we don't we can wrap it up soon we don't have to go into this but i thought it was a bizarre quote that he's like i was happy for brady he would have kind of we would have stunk in 2020 If he had stayed, that's a weird, that's weird from like a lot of perspectives. Like a you forced them out.
00:49:37
Speaker
You didn't want to be there. You dicked them around. you didn't want to pay him. and then you gave him the ability to just leave in a free agency. You did not think you were going to suck. You signed all these players, and you so you thought you were the best, and you were going sign Cam Newton, and you could be just as good with without Brady.
00:49:54
Speaker
I remember his his girlfriend at the time, you know Linda, being on Twitter, trying to put Brady on blast after winning of the Super Bowl. Like, don't you talk about how good the defense was? This is like – This is complete revisionist history. This is not what actually happened. These were not his real emotions. And this is like not a mea culpa.
00:50:13
Speaker
This is i don't know what this is. This is like, yeah, let me pretend. This is pretend zone. The frustrating part is you can just come out and be like, I didn't think he would do that at 43, 44, 45 years old because no one had ever done it before. So like hats off to him. He proved me wrong. And we'd all be like, yeah, that's right.
00:50:29
Speaker
Like there's nothing wrong. There's no, I didn't think Tom Brady would be that good in his mid forties. Like are you nuts? No one had ever like Brett Favre's age 40 season was really the pinnacle in the only example of an old quarterback really thriving. And Brady was like, he was a one in a billion player in bill bed on the billion.
00:50:47
Speaker
And it was wrong. And it's like, I don't think he's an idiot for that. I think maybe he probably had a certain arrogance that made it be like, well, we won't need him. We'll be fine without him. There's that quote from like the Wickersham article that was like the coaching staff believes they could get to the Super Bowl with any like top 16 quarterback yeah yeah that blew up in there. So there was an element of that, but.
00:51:08
Speaker
Yeah, I just, it's not real. Like, he's done that before, too. And it's like, do you not recognize that you're saying we had the best player in history? But our situation wasn't good. Like, it was good that he left because we couldn't have been good for It's like, well, you should have been good for him.
00:51:22
Speaker
Yeah. that was I think he thinks we weren't there. Like, we were there, Bill. we were We remember this. Like, you can't lie to us now. Like, is he gaslighting us? What is happening? Yeah, that was, I don't know, completely bizarre. And you know, he's absolutely not happy for Tom. He was absolutely hated that he succeeded somewhere else, which um was which was clear.
00:51:44
Speaker
um but yeah that He's happy that Tom is like the bigger man, you know, and and forgave him because he's still battling it out with Kraft and he holds grudges like no one else. And Brady is just sort of like Mr. Namaste.
00:51:57
Speaker
So I think the fact that Brady was able to be like, you know, water under the bridge, I love you, Bill. He's great for me. And then every time Brady talks about Bill, it's always, he was great for me this way, that way, that way. So I think at this point, like Bill, Bill wants and needs allies. So he's going to say things like that, but certainly, certainly February of 2021, I don't think Bill was smiling in his house, watching Tom Brady win the super bowl.
00:52:21
Speaker
No, I don't think so. Comment from Drake silver here. Pat's chat time. Savage. Where's my King Doug at? Hey, we'll have to, maybe we'll have to, we'll to do a full collab at some, point we'll get Doug. We'll get Doug back. someday um But yeah, ah yeah, man, it's where wacky. Well, this is like, we're coming down to again, this is dead zone. It's where i like having people on and just see who's who wants to still talk ball in the middle of dead zone because again this is that this is literally dead zone that's where we're at you know did you want to give a little congratulations to joe missoula for winning coach of the year in the nba i you know i did i did see that i didn't tweet anything about it because i thought it was so weird that he even like hated the award like he had that quote where he's like this award sucks like i don't care it should be a staff award so it's kind of like meh and then the fact that they blew that lead i'm like meh
00:53:10
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It's a I've, I've never really enjoyed the NBA regular season, but after this year, i think they should just ban it altogether. Just start with the playoffs. Like, I don't agree one hundred percent. Like, what is the point? Like, Oh, congratulations. You can win 50 somewhat games and then lose in the first round. Cause you're not that good. Like, cool.
00:53:28
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I think the regular season, the NBA is a fucking atrocity. And I, I'm sorry. Like, and most people know it's like, I'm not watching all these games for people to half-ass it. And, and for you to like, it and it means nothing. All these teams with good records get killed. It means fucking nothing, dude. And that's what sucks about NBA regular season. Question really quick. Last question from Drizzy Dre here. How do we feel about Reggie Gilliam and the potential for improving the running game? I feel fucking good. I feel really fucking good.
00:53:54
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And I like it. It's the most improved part of the Patriots offense is the run package, run blocking package. That's how I'll put it, right? Like hail the tight end, Gilliam, the improved offensive line.
00:54:07
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All of that is going to be better run blocking and should lead to better running out of the running back room. Hopefully Trevion Henderson has a second year improvement now that he has a full camp underneath his belt. We drafted Jam Miller. I love his name. yeah i think i think there's the more excitement for the running game. There needs to be because can't all be on Drake Mays back.
00:54:26
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Henderson to me is the big beneficiary there because they sort of started taking away his athleticism as the year went on. You could see him just behind the line. His first, second and third thoughts were secure the ball, try to find a hole. Now, if they can just get him at full speed with the first block already being taken care of because you have a fullback out there.
00:54:46
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It's he's the person that I think you drafted him in the second round and there were a ton of receivers on the board. You needed a receiver, but you took him because of that athleticism and we saw plenty of flashes of it. But as the year wore on, I think it sort of.
00:54:58
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whether it was in his head or the coaches hammering something in his head, if you can just let him be an athlete and break through the line at full speed, you're going to get how many home runs did he have last year? Like he had to two in the one game in Tennessee, right? Yeah.
00:55:10
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He had a few early. And then I think you're going to get that more off. Even if you don't get the full 80 yard touchdown, you're going to get so much more production out of him just because of that. That first block is made and then he's gone.
00:55:21
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He just has to figure out how to talk about like, he's going to just read a basic like power, like just where are you supposed to go? Like, how's the timing? you can't just run straight into your line, you know, like, Yeah, he hit a bunch of home run hits, which is great, but can he get four and a half yards of carry? It's funny because like if you just said like he had a disappointing year and someone just looked at his stats, they'd be like, you're an idiot. but it's Yeah, yeah, stats were good. He had terrible vision. That's no doubt about it.
00:55:49
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Yeah, his stats were 900 yards rushing and nine touchdowns rushing. and like You'd say any time a rookie, you'd be like, fuck, yeah, like that's that's great. um you know so anyway uh we'll probably wrap it up soon anything you guys want to get off your chest before we get going
00:56:09
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Not me. No, i I wanted to throw that basketball note in there because that's the only. on The Red Sox are about to lose. I think that's another. I mean, to ah add to the coach, you Raywell coach of the year, McDaniels assistant coach of the year, Rizula coach of the year, Sturm, I thought had a good year. Just if the Red Sox could figure it out, we would have all four teams coached, right? And I'm doing somewhat decent.
00:56:33
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Third base coach, Chad Epperson. I don't think he's going to win any awards for his work over there. And why not? you know who You know who the real winner was? You named those awards. like That's nice. Alex Cora is making $13 million dollars to be in Puerto Rico right now. And then next year, he's going to make $13 million dollars to hang out in Puerto Rico. Again, like that is that's the ideal job. That's male making right now.
00:56:55
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a lot. Mayo got a good job. Where is Mayo, dude? Where where is Gerard Mayo? That's a great. good but So we have two coaches getting paid a lot of money to not coach for us. And we have coaches that are coaching for us doing very well. There's a coaching thing going on in Boston.
00:57:10
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Can we send like the TMZ people like leave Rabel alone? Like show me Gerard Mayo at like stop and shop. Like what's, is he going out? No one's, he has not been seen since that last week, 18 game. Yeah. Where's our guy? ah Tony Farmer. Tony Farmer can start investigating. Here's rod mays here's why no one's talking about Gerard Mayo. It's a conspiracy.
00:57:32
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Yeah. Yeah. well we'll We'll get Tony Farmer on it. Yeah. No, no problem. He went back to the University of Tennessee. That's what I remember. That's the only time Mayo has shown his face, which is an affair spot to go to, considering it's your alma mater. You know, you you're going to get some love there.
00:57:46
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All right, guys. Well, thanks for tuning in. Appreciate the comments. And and yeah, we willll we'll we'll talk to you guys soon. That's a good comment. Peace out.