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EPISODE 83 - Celtics blow it. AJ Brown trade comp?
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Overview of Boston Sports
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Bret
Okay.
00:00:00
Savage Boston
All right. Welcome back. Sad's Boston podcast. We are here May 5th. Cinco de Mayo. Happy Cinco de Mayo, everybody.
00:00:07
Bret
e
00:00:07
Savage Boston
It's 840 at night. um And yeah, man, we got a lot. I feel like there's a lot going on. Tons going on and in terms of Boston sports. Obviously, you know, we mostly mostly focus on the Patriots, but it's just been.
00:00:21
Savage Boston
It's been kind of a wacky time, and I would say like I'm pretty pretty bummed out, not just because of Celtics, but just that we got this, like what feels like a pretty large gap now between legitimate, interesting football and events happening with training camp.
00:00:34
Bret
going to go to the next one.
00:00:37
Savage Boston
um And you know that's like two and a half months away. It's the middle of July. So, I mean... Bruins are out, Celtics are out, and we've got the Red Sox, which they're up tonight winning big, but they've obviously been been not playing well. So...
00:00:52
Savage Boston
Yeah, it's going be an interesting time. We're going have to figure out, um I think it's just going to be a dead zone and figure out ways to to keep it rolling with patriots Patriots info, Patriots news.
Struggles of the Red Sox
00:01:02
Savage Boston
Obviously, June 1st is going to be AJ Brown Day.
00:01:05
Savage Boston
but But yeah, why don't you guys just initially, Snoo, do you go first?
00:01:08
Bret
I'm going to go to the next video.
00:01:09
Savage Boston
Give me your thoughts just the state of Boston sports. Like where are we at right now in this kind of like entering this dead zone here?
00:01:16
Snooty
I mean, it's a shitty period just because the only game actually playing right now is the Red Sox.
Is the Sports Draft System Fair?
00:01:22
Snooty
But I thought that, don't know, that asshole from New York who was like, oh, see, they the boat they're in the fucking basement now.
00:01:28
Snooty
Like, whatever that guy's name was. It's like, all right, like,
00:01:31
Savage Boston
Like a tweet you're talking about? that tweet?
00:01:33
Snooty
No, he went on like a like a podcast or something. was a radio show where he was like, Boston's in the basement.
00:01:36
Savage Boston
Oh.
00:01:39
Snooty
other guy's like, good. They deserve it. They suck. And I'm like, all right, man.
00:01:43
Bret
Thank you.
00:01:44
Snooty
it's Why? Because they lost the Super Bowl. a team got eliminated. A favorite in the playoff got eliminated. And then, ah you know, a team that overachieved and made the playoffs got eliminated.
00:01:54
Snooty
Like, that's like, if if the bottom for Boston is three teams making the playoffs, one going on a championship run and losing at the end, And, right, admittedly, one team being dog shit, if that's the basement, you're doing pretty fucking well, to be honest with you.
00:02:09
Snooty
So, I mean, like, you got to kind of put it in perspective. Like, the Bruins are flawed, never should have made the playoffs, probably will hurt them in the long run because they didn't get to sell. And then they got pork tonight in the draft lottery, which is the most rigged thing ever in the HL draft lottery.
00:02:24
Savage Boston
That's so Rick.
00:02:25
Snooty
Oh, Toronto, one of the marquee franchises and the biggest city for hockey is is in need of a star player.
00:02:25
Savage Boston
Unbelievable Rick.
00:02:33
Snooty
Better dial it up and get with you know one of the biggest stars to come out in a while. So, i don't know. I think it's kind of overblown, the fact of how bad it is. That being said, really fucking bleak if all you can watch right now is the Red Sox.
00:02:46
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:02:46
Bret
I am convinced that the minute a league has a lottery, they're going to rig it.
00:02:53
Snooty
Yes.
00:02:54
Bret
100%.
00:02:54
Bret
Just 100%.
00:02:54
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:02:54
Snooty
Yep.
00:02:56
Bret
That's why the NFL is perfect, because it's basically based on your ranks. And what helps there is obviously roster sizes are bigger, and there's just more players, more teams, so it works more favorably than you all hockey roster size or a basketball roster size, right?
00:03:14
Bret
So anytime they put a lottery in, I think it's rigged. And yeah, Bruins got fucking porked tonight. So we got to push it out again. And Toronto got in. And I don't give a fuck what New York fans have to say. At the end of the day, Boston is the center of the sports world because we are at the top in just about every sport.
00:03:36
Bret
Now it sucks because all our teams fucking blew it. I mean, the Celtics absolutely blew it. JB looks like a really bad, like a pussy because of the way he ended up handling it post-game.
00:03:51
Bret
Bad, bad luck. Bruins, I mean, I think they had a shot, but, like, you can't lose like you did and lay a goose egg at a home game in a pivotal series. So egg on our face on that one. And the Red Sox, I mean, I am – I cannot get invested in the Red Sox when John Henry is the owner. I just can't because I'm just not going to watch Moneyball type product get on the field. So, yeah, we we are four weeks away from today to hopefully talking about on a podcast the actual introduction of A.J. Brown to the Patriots because we're almost to June 1st.
00:04:27
Bret
I think the positive coming out of the Patriots is everyone on the roster, you had Gonzalez come out, you had May come out. They're all supporting Vrabel, and there's the people that are saying, oh, Vrabel's going to lose the locker room, and Vrabel's going to resign. like None of that's happening, and positive signs coming out of there.
00:04:46
Bret
I think we all felt like... What you were going to get in the draft was about what you got. It was kind of a lackluster draft to begin with. We got okay product coming out, so we'll see. But by and large, I mean, I think there's still a lot of optimism to have for the Patriots. We just got to freaking suck it up for the next few months until we get to preseason.
Celtics' Playoff Challenges
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Bret
So it's going to be all the way.
00:05:05
Savage Boston
Do you notice how the variable story is kind of like died down a little?
00:05:10
Bret
Yeah.
00:05:10
Savage Boston
You know, like there's been a little bit of here. ASPAN put out a funny image. and Everyone's like, oh, like it's finally, don't know what that was.
00:05:14
Bret
Yeah.
00:05:17
Savage Boston
so it's fun of like dying down a smidge. You know, it's it's like it's not. There's a few dedicated accounts that don't want to let it die because that's the only thing they're getting engagement for, right?
00:05:28
Savage Boston
If you're on Twitter and you really like um one dude, Tony Farmer is a random guy. Yes. a random Twitter account doesn't have that many followers or anything, but ah this is all he tweets about. So he realized that he'll get followers more attention for tweeting about this, the conflict.
00:05:40
Bret
Thank you.
00:05:42
Savage Boston
So that's all he's going to do until he finds a new grift. Cause that's what it is. What's your grift? You know what mean? That's what he's trying to do to get followers and attention. um Just cause you brought up with the lottery stuff, dude, cause I found this really interesting. People were like, how could they rig the lottery? How could they rig it?
00:05:58
Savage Boston
Like magicians can make it look like, you're you know You're trapped underwater. like people can People can have sleight hand. People can maneuver things. like it It shouldn't be that mind-blowing to people that a league could find a way to manipulate and rig a lottery.
00:06:16
Savage Boston
like That shouldn't be that much of a set of ah of a crazy suggestion that you're going to have to rig a lot you can rig a lottery pick. And I mean, the Cooper flag pick is the most obvious.
00:06:27
Savage Boston
That, to me, was so incredibly rigged. where quite literally they promised the Mavs the first overall pick to trade Luka.
00:06:31
Bret
Oh
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Savage Boston
That is like quite literally the most rigged thing I've ever seen in my life. i don't You could not convince me, you could not, that that wasn't rigged. And in this one, you know Toronto hires somebody, I guess, joke of a, was it was that coach or GM?
00:06:49
Savage Boston
my favorite
00:06:49
Snooty
Yeah.
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Savage Boston
Who was it?
00:06:51
Snooty
GM. gm
00:06:52
Savage Boston
Yeah, GM, like some joke of a guy, like a complete joke. And they're a marquee franchise dumpster fire year about to lose Austin Matthews. And they give Toronto the number one overall pick with terrible odds to get it.
00:07:04
Savage Boston
So I don't think this is crazy to suggest it's rigged.
00:07:04
Bret
Yep.
00:07:08
Savage Boston
And it's not just our team doesn't win it or whatever. Like, our teams are usually not in the lottery. But, like, I just think it's a joke. Any opportunity that these leagues have for control and for corruption, they will use it.
00:07:22
Savage Boston
That's people, if you give them the chance to abuse it and to to create corruption, they will use it.
00:07:28
Snooty
i mean, look, like going back to Sidney Crosby and Malkin back to back years, going the Penguins when they were down, Bedard goes to the Blackhawks when they started to go down again, one of the premier franchises, LeBron James going to his fucking hometown team in in the Cleveland Cavaliers.
00:07:28
Savage Boston
That's lot.
00:07:49
Snooty
Right. And then when he leaves, all of a sudden they win the draft lottery again. Right.
00:07:53
Savage Boston
Yeah, you get Kyrie, right?
00:07:53
Snooty
And like, Yeah, right? So, no, to get ah it ended up not being anybody good, but they won the draft lottery. um
00:08:01
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:08:02
Snooty
Like, it's a joke.
00:08:03
Savage Boston
I forgot when Kyrie, Kyrie was later than that, I guess.
00:08:05
Snooty
They, um like, you know you go back you can go all the way back to the frozen envelope theory, you know, conspiracy theory for Patrick Ewing, right?
00:08:06
Bret
Thank you.
00:08:14
Snooty
Like, going to the Knicks. Like, it's a bunch of horseshit. And, like, everybody knows it. It's why it's a joke. The part of the reason why it's like as much as of ah as much of a crap shoot as the NFL draft is the draft in other leagues.
00:08:27
Bret
Thank you.
00:08:27
Snooty
It's a complete fucking shit show. Like baseball is ridiculous because it's years away and there's like 400 rounds and not everybody signs or whatever.
00:08:36
Savage Boston
That's legit scouting.
00:08:37
Snooty
Yeah.
00:08:37
Savage Boston
Like, you got to really – football is legit scouting.
00:08:38
Snooty
Yeah. Exactly. Right. Like that's like, and they're all like 18 to 21.
00:08:42
Bret
Thank you.
00:08:44
Snooty
They don't get here for like five, six years. And then like the NBA, it's like all projection again, but like, I don't know.
00:08:46
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:08:53
Snooty
Those, most of those guys don't really contribute right away anyway. And then same thing in hockey. It's like NFL is the only one where it's like, no, you're expected to come in and contribute like pretty fucking quickly because the turnover is so real in the NFL.
00:08:59
Bret
Take it
00:09:04
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:09:05
Snooty
Yeah.
00:09:07
Savage Boston
Yeah. I don't know. I think it's it's, like you said, the corruption, it feels like incredibly corrupt and and you you have the power to manipulate this stuff, which I know people are, ah you know, I don't You got to either make it so incredibly transparent that you don't think it's corrupt or you have to change a system. And I wish they would, but then the NBA is so scared of tanking because,
00:09:28
Savage Boston
They've created a culture in their league where just half the league wants to to be as awful as possible every year. it's it's it's a The regular season the NBA is fucking useless. It's useless. It sucks. Like, yeah, if you're entertained by it, congrats. You know, good for you. But, like, if you actually want to win,
00:09:45
Savage Boston
And you care about the playoffs. The regular season, and the Celtics are the biggest example of this. a regular season was a joke. Nobody tries. You can get also whatever shot you want. You can rotate huge, deep rosters.
00:09:58
Savage Boston
You can keep everyone fresh, have tons of energy. It's a different game when it tightens up and you only play seven people and you have really a defensive repossession.
00:10:00
Bret
Thank you.
00:10:06
Savage Boston
All of sudden, Jalen Brown starts getting offensive fouls and pushing off and gets frustrated. And you can't keep your center on the court because he's getting fouls every play. It became a joke. And now the Celtics, you know their roster, all sudden you're like, wow, they don't really have a great roster. You two good players. Derek White had an abysmal full year, not just postseason. His whole year was horrible.
00:10:26
Savage Boston
He had a terrible year. He shot under 33% from three.
00:10:29
Bret
I'm going to go to the next one.
00:10:30
Savage Boston
Was not good enough this year. So I think there's there's a lot that the team has to improve on. And, and again, i'm I'm into the Giannis idea. And if you can't do Giannis, can you find a way to get Bam out of Io? You need like a legitimate, really good center, and you've got to find a way to get one who can score and better than Keita. But, you know, it is what it is. You wouldn't want Giannis, Brett?
00:10:55
Bret
I would want nothing to do with Giannis. I think it would cost too much, and I don't think it helps fit our system and what we'd want to do. I'd be in for Bam. I think that would be a good move to take.
00:11:05
Bret
But, yeah, I mean, ultimately, we don't have the big.
00:11:06
Savage Boston
He would be good.
00:11:08
Bret
I've been saying it all year. We don't have the big. What drove me crazy is we get to the – game seven and Vucevic doesn't even come off to play anything. And he's the only offensive production guy you got out there.
00:11:20
Bret
And like, I get it. I get it with Embiid. Like he struggled at times, but like at the same time you forced Embiid to come play defense on Vucevic. Whereas when Cato was out there, he was a non-factor on offense. so you're basically playing 4v5 on ah offense. when your offense is struggling to shoot and you kept your best big shooter on the bench.
00:11:20
Savage Boston
It was hard.
00:11:41
Bret
So bad luck. I mean, Luca Garza is end of the bench, give you energy minutes in a regular season, should never see a playoff minute in his life.
00:11:52
Bret
So, yeah, I mean, the Celtics obviously are ah just over-exceeded during the regular season, but as you mentioned, it basically encapsulates how bad the regular season is for the NBA. If you just show showed a modest amount of effort, you're going to win most games because most teams just kind of go on cruise control until they get the playoffs, and they're like, oh, yeah, now let's pick it up and let's actually play a real ball.
00:12:16
Bret
um And so we got exposed. We got 100% exposed and it showed. Now, to me, the biggest thing that I look at is like, where do you go from here? You're basically tied up with the J's.
00:12:29
Bret
I don't ever see them coming off of that, but I also don't know if that dynamic can work with unless you get a third option in here that can actually produce. Derek White clearly can't be the guy unless he's the third option.
00:12:43
Bret
And even then, it's like suspect. Like, he struggled all year. Hauser, don't know where he shot. He shot, this was his worst year of shooting for three. all career and Pritchard's just kind of your up and down guy. i like Pritchard. He's a good off the bench point, but like you can't rely on him to do what he had to do in game three to get where we had to go. Like we need a big, I just, I'm out on Giannis cause I think he just will not help. It'll slow the game down.
00:13:12
Bret
i think he's too injury prone at this point. He's past his prime. Like I just think he's more of a problem. It's going to cost way too much than what it's worth.
00:13:22
Snooty
I think if, I mean, this is obvious, but if you could get Giannis without giving up Brown, then I'm in only because to your point, like you don't need him every night in the regular season to obviously to make the playoffs, but then to get, you know, top one or two seed, you just need him for the playoffs.
00:13:40
Snooty
Right. And like that, he would obviously be like, you know, the three headed monster, that type of thing. But I don't think that's realistic. Cause I don't think, you know, they're going to take that. I'd be open, open to trading.
00:13:51
Snooty
I mean, quite honestly, Tatum or Brown, one of them. But the only issue I have is that you're not going to get fair value back.
00:13:58
Bret
Thank you.
00:13:58
Snooty
Right. Like if I not Giannis, then who, like who else are you going to get back that could even come close to replicating right now, fitting this timeline.
00:14:06
Savage Boston
think I just think Bam is a really good idea. But, again, I would want to keep the Jays and plus Bam.
00:14:12
Snooty
That's, but that's what I'm saying.
00:14:13
Savage Boston
like I don't want to trade Jalen Brown just for Bam.
00:14:14
Snooty
Like, like,
00:14:16
Bret
Thank
00:14:16
Snooty
Right, but that's what I'm saying, because like if you if you are going to trade Brown, he's probably the most likely one that would go out. like what do you You have to tell me what you're getting back that fits this timeline. so I've seen a lot of people online say, oh, get all these picks and let Brad cook and blah, blah. It's like, no, no, no.
00:14:31
Snooty
That's three, four years down the road before those picks could even be like actually reaching whatever potential they would have. right And by that point, Tatum's like older, and it's like, it doesn't line up.
00:14:42
Snooty
You need someone now. like This isn't four years ago, five years ago, when they were both.
00:14:46
Bret
you.
00:14:46
Snooty
perpetually 19. Like they're older now. This is their time. This is when you push the chips in.
00:14:52
Bret
If you're trading one of the Jays, you're basically resetting. And it's counter to what we just went through.
00:14:55
Snooty
Yeah.
00:14:59
Bret
Didn't we just go through a reset? We just got rid of Porzingis. We just got rid of Holiday. were like We just shed a whole lot of salary to try to reset this year. This was supposed to be a gap year.
00:15:10
Bret
So this offseason is the offseason where we're supposed to make a move. It really comes down to what are you willing to move? and who are you targeting?
00:15:21
Bret
And that's the part where it gets into question. I don't think there's an appetite to move the Jays, which is why I think Giannis is off the table completely. i think there would be an appetite to move anyone else other than them on the roster.
00:15:35
Bret
Anyone else would be boo.
00:15:36
Savage Boston
As you say, though, if there's a re you said there's a reset, and it's true. Like, there was a reset. They did have a reset. they More specifically, they reset their money, right? They went under the taxes.
00:15:47
Savage Boston
They full they cut from $500 million to, like, $200 million in one season and shipping out just Porzingis, Drew, and I forget the other one.
00:15:52
Bret
mm-hmm
00:15:56
Savage Boston
But, like, they They got rid of a bunch of guys, shed a ton of money, and thought they thought this would be a gap year. They overperformed. And now we're pissed because Tatum came back and you're like oh, they're so good.
00:16:08
Savage Boston
But like they know they know what they have.
00:16:10
Bret
Thank
00:16:10
Savage Boston
They have two really good players in their primes. Not young anymore. They're in their primes. Two really good in their prime players. And that's it. Derek White didn't do his job this year.
00:16:22
Savage Boston
Didn't do it. He especially didn't it the postseason. Peyton Pritchard was great off the bench. The center is good in the minutes he's out there, not offensively, but he was good defensively when he was out there, and he can't stay on the court.
00:16:34
Savage Boston
And they just eventually lost it to a pretty flawed 76ers team. They just didn't have the offense. They couldn't find it. So, yeah, you I mean –
00:16:42
Bret
Yeah.
00:16:44
Savage Boston
There's options there. I think Giannis is definitely an option. But, like again, how do you make this happen without trading Jalen Brown? I'm just wondering, it's true. like Does Jalen, i assume he wants to be here? i think it's the comment I found the weirdest from him being on his Twitch was to come out and say – this is my favorite year I've ever played. You're like, what do you mean?
00:17:03
Savage Boston
just got eliminated in the first round of game seven. What about this is your favorite? Is it only because you're the superstar?
00:17:08
Bret
It's...
00:17:10
Savage Boston
Like you just wanted attention? Is that why this is your favorite? Truly, I think that's really weird. That was like, shouldn't your favorite be when you won finals MVP and won
Impact of Analytics in Sports
00:17:20
Savage Boston
the championship? Like I get why you liked it.
00:17:22
Savage Boston
I guess you're the show. You help the young kids and you're the show and you're, you have the attention. But to say it's your favorite year, again, is is is as odd. It's like an odd thing to say. And he's going to understand the the optics when you say something like
00:17:36
Bret
Well, especially because it's not the first time he said it. you know like it's He's sending a lot of cryptic messages that make it hard not to look at it and say, hey, maybe, just maybe, the Jays aren't really cohesive as much as we'd like them to be.
00:17:52
Bret
And Jalen Brown really liked being the number one and feels that this year showed that he could be the number one option. And I will say, in the playoffs, when we got to the 76ers, like, the Celtics went away from Jalen being the number one option. Like, they started running the ball through ah offense, through Tatum, which I didn't think was a smart move.
00:18:15
Bret
And to me, like, I think one of the questions that I look at is, say, like, What do we do about Missoula? like What do we do about the strategy? like I like Missoula for being a guy that holds the team accountable.
00:18:26
Bret
But what I don't like that about Missoula is he doesn't adjust. And Missoula ball is real. You can't sit there and look at it and say... oh, it wasn't because we shot all those three-pointers that we lost. Those were good shot and good shot selection. It's like, guys, they weren't fucking going. You couldn't break 30% from three-point range, and you put up like close to 50 a game.
00:18:51
Bret
It's like clear as day.
00:18:51
Savage Boston
They blew it. They blew it.
00:18:53
Bret
Clear as day.
00:18:55
Snooty
Well, it's like I keep saying like, okay, they were good looks. And, yeah, they were, but they weren't falling. And, like, at some point you have to be like, guys, it's just not your night shooting the three. Like, just stop.
00:19:07
Snooty
Like, it's on him or somebody to be like, I get it, but it's not falling tonight.
00:19:09
Bret
So,
00:19:13
Snooty
So let's switch it up, and then maybe we can go back to that. If, like, you know what mean? If you get in the flow, that type of thing. Maybe, you you know, you take get a couple mid-range shots, you start making some, and you start feeling more a little bit more confident. Stuff starts to fall. But if it's not falling, stop fucking shooting it. It's not helping.
00:19:28
Snooty
And I know at the end of that game, game seven, it's like they were, I think they were down one and they're shooting threes. And you're like, what are you doing?
00:19:34
Bret
Thank you.
00:19:35
Snooty
Like, just like, come on. It's it's not falling. Stop doing that. It's like, I use the, the analogy for like, you know, they were talking about this on the radio today, but like, you know, the drive-on guys for the Red Sox, where it's like, there's no situationalness. It's all about like optimizing over like, the greater number. Right. Like, and it's like, okay, in the situation, i don't give a fuck if the three balls is, is better, like overall in a big wide sample for doing It's like, you have to read the situation. You actually have to like, what do you need? Like, how do you adapt to the situation you're in? And that's kind of where analytics, like overall kind of falls short. Like it it fails to, at least to me, like fails to account for everything involved in like any specific situation.
00:20:18
Savage Boston
It can't. It just tells you what the with the, and then we'll move on, but just tells you with the three ball. All analytics says basically is shooting over 33% from three is better than shooting 50% from two.
00:20:32
Savage Boston
That's like the basics of three-point analytics. If you shoot 35% from three, wow, you're doing great. That's better than two-pointers. But it's made the game shitty, first of all, because, again, when you're just doing either like dunks or three-pointers and there's no mid-range game,
00:20:42
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
00:20:47
Savage Boston
It doesn't encapsulate everything. Like you say wide open shots versus contested threes is a really big difference. And like that's that's what the math tells you. It's changed the game. Obviously teams score more and the bigs shoot three-pointers now.
00:21:00
Savage Boston
I don't know. I think, again, how do you improve the game again? To me, someone when brought up the idea to just take away the three-point line. Just have no three-point line. They'd probably make the game tons more fun. You'd actually have a lot of diversity of how you score. That would be really interesting. If something could happen, I just think it would be really interesting. Or, again, you just move back the three-point line again.
00:21:19
Savage Boston
to make it more challenging you get the metrics back down. You just need, like, like this thing, everyone hates SGA for flopping, but SGA has got a great mid-range game. He's, like, classic baller from the 90s, like, get a foul, pull-up jumper, you know, like, he's, like, plays like Paul Pierce.
00:21:34
Savage Boston
He plays like, like, that's how those dudes played. So...
00:21:37
Bret
Yeah, I'll just make one more point.
Issues in Modern Basketball
00:21:40
Bret
I'll just say I cannot stand SGA. I think he's also equally ruining the league because of all the flopping. It's a joke. It's an effing joke. It's embarrassing. I mean, turning your man card, you pussy.
00:21:52
Bret
Also, when it comes to...
00:21:53
Savage Boston
Second time read it's called someone a pussy on this podcast, by the way. This is two out of – this is podcast like 80-something. don't think he's mentioned anyone being pussy.
00:22:02
Bret
Hey, look, look, I have months to deal with this crap and hearing fans like shit on us and blah, blah, blah.
00:22:03
Savage Boston
mean And he's now twice. He's
00:22:09
Savage Boston
not.
00:22:10
Bret
So let me vent. the second The second thing I'll say when it comes to the Celtics and their intent to try to continue to shoot up those three points is it takes away your strength of having Jalen Brown or Jason Tatum drive the lane.
00:22:23
Bret
but If you're going to shoot shots from three-point range, you might as well just be Sam Hauser. Like, Be Jason Tatum. Be Jalen Brown. Go in there, drive the basket, use your handles, and be a dominant force that can get to the spot that you want to get to and take a shot.
00:22:39
Bret
Don't sit there and settle for a jump three ball. Wait for a pick to come, step aside and jump a three ball, or like drive the lane and kick it out to someone for them to shoot up a three ball. like That's not good basketball, but it's also neutralizing your strengths and allowing for a lesser team to beat you because you're letting them do it. Thank you.
00:23:00
Savage Boston
Well, and last and last point, which is which is weird, is that with Missoula and the Missoula ball thing, it's weird. Like, the excuse is always just like, yeah, the shots didn't fall. Right? It's always like, yeah, like, we took good shots. They didn't go in.
00:23:13
Savage Boston
And it's like, well, is it the shots didn't go on or is it the system you play? Is it the players you have? Or is it just always like, eh, the shots didn't go. I like the shots, they didn't go. Like hockey, you can always just say, make mislead, shots didn't go.
00:23:26
Bret
I'm going to go to the next
00:23:26
Savage Boston
But I think it's it's kind of a cop-out. It makes it so you won't change. Like if you just think, if you took away from that series and said, it's just the shots, there's just we didn't have the shots didn't go. Okay, well, didn't change fucking nothing then. Just run it back. Like, you just blew your first 3-1 lead in Celtics history.
00:23:43
Savage Boston
Just fucking run it back then. Same roster. Who gives a fuck?
00:23:46
Snooty
Well, it's also like, well, I guess, to well, we're not shooting well tonight.
00:23:46
Savage Boston
Shots didn't go.
00:23:50
Snooty
I guess might as well pack it in. It's like, you got nothing.
00:23:51
Savage Boston
Yeah, man, fuck it.
00:23:53
Snooty
You have nothing else. There's no other plan.
00:23:54
Savage Boston
Just not falling.
00:23:55
Snooty
You have no adjustment, no audible, nothing.
00:23:55
Bret
I mean, Pritchard said that
00:23:56
Savage Boston
No difference. Don't worry. Shots aren't going.
00:23:59
Bret
Pritchard said that post-game, he was like, i mean, if I hit the shots, we wouldn't be talking. It's like, yeah, but you didn't. So I have to fucking lost the series.
00:24:06
Savage Boston
You missed.
00:24:08
Bret
But they it doesn't change. like And that's why I say the problem is when you look at Missoula is he's so stubborn in it. And it's definitely a system approach, right? It's the Celtics system.
00:24:19
Bret
So Missoula is just executing what the Celtics believe to do. And he's the architect for it. But that's what being designed. That's where I look at it and say, guy like you can't have it if if he does it again he's going to get another year because they're just not going to do it but if this happens again which it probably will unless we have something unique change with our roster i i just look at and say well what do you guys want like what do you expect for a different outcome if you're just going to consistently do the same shit it's the definition of insanity
00:24:52
Savage Boston
You got to hear from Brad and see what he says. But this is like, again, the fault of analytics. With analytics, it's always like projecting and statistics and who's the best the best position and the best lineup and this and that until you actually play and you have the human element of of a game.
00:25:06
Savage Boston
It's just like with baseball, they have so many like your expected batting average, your expected on-base percentage. Well, that's not your batting average. It's like you didn't get on base that much.
00:25:19
Savage Boston
That's what the computers think you should have gotten on base. Like I get some metrics like um you know tracking exit velocity or like how hard you're hitting it.
00:25:25
Bret
Thank you.
00:25:28
Savage Boston
You know what i mean? things Stuff like that. that can be It can be useful. Stats can be useful. But I just think it's goofy to be like, Well, he really should be hitting 400, but he's hitting 250.
00:25:37
Bret
Yeah.
00:25:38
Savage Boston
Like, whatever.
00:25:39
Snooty
it's like the other thing, baseball is even worse with because it's like, it's over a larger sample size. Like, I have no idea if this is a real quote, but I've always heard attribute heard this attributed Bean where he's like, you know, this shit doesn't work in the playoffs.
00:25:51
Snooty
It's like, yeah, because it's a fucking five-game series or a seven-game series and not 162 baseball games or, was it basketball games?
00:25:55
Savage Boston
Yes. Shrink it. Mm-hmm.
00:26:00
Snooty
Like, it's It's like, you know, like, and it's and it's against an opponent that knows you, that's gonna, you know, knows your tendencies and things like that. So it's it's harder, like it's inherently harder, it's inherently more difficult.
00:26:12
Savage Boston
Yeah, that's crazy. all right, well, let's pivot now cause I didn't realize we were going to do 26 minutes on the Celtics and lottery, but that's fine. Pivot now.
Trade Speculations for the Patriots
00:26:21
Savage Boston
You can skip to this part of the podcast if you're here for football news. Pivot.
00:26:27
Savage Boston
Yeah, so um I saw somebody threw this out. It was a tweet that got a lot of attention. i think he he claimed – I didn't see a fucking source. And this was like – I don't know the legitimacy.
00:26:37
Savage Boston
They're trying to quote this guy, Jeff McClain, who's a real Eagles reporter.
00:26:40
Bret
Thank you.
00:26:42
Savage Boston
And trying to say that, like, he's saying, oh, it's probably going to be a first in 2028, but also, like, probably leverage, like, a second in 2027 with a first in 2028 for A.J. Brown. And, like, I didn't read the report because i think it's it's paywalled, and no but nobody had the report. It's just some random account tweeting it. So I don't know the legitimacy, but, I mean, at this point, yeah, I want A.J. Brown, but, like, know, Are you like you just in the win now, win Super Bowls now window all of a sudden?
00:27:13
Savage Boston
Because like what is going on? like that's That's a lot of fucking assets, dude.
00:27:15
Bret
Thank you.
00:27:17
Savage Boston
a second If you gave up a second next year and a first in 2028, that's a lot of capital, man. A lot. So I don't know. What did you guys think about that ah that scenario?
00:27:29
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:27:29
Snooty
So I guess there the thing with that reporter is, I think it's from like months ago where he said he talked to one person and said that their initial, like their ask was for that. And it was like, yeah, of course you're going start high whenever you, whatever you ask for.
00:27:43
Snooty
That doesn't mean you're going to get it because you shouldn't get it But I think they made this point on Beetle and Zoe today where they were like, if you're going to give up a first and a second, let's say that's hypothetically true.
00:27:44
Bret
Thank you.
00:27:46
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:27:55
Snooty
you tell me there isn't a better, younger receiver out there that you could give a little bit more for and get? Like, if you're really into giving that much up, you tell me you couldn't call up Minnesota or somebody and say, like, I'll give you two firsts and maybe something else for Jefferson.
00:28:09
Snooty
I'd rather Jefferson 100 times out of 100 over if you're going to give up that that level of draft capital.
00:28:09
Savage Boston
you know
00:28:14
Snooty
And that's the thing. Like, I'm all about getting A.J. Brown. But. I'm not going to give up crazy amounts of draft capital to do it because you're not in half to mortgage the future to win now mode. The Celtics are.
00:28:27
Snooty
The Patriots are not. you're You have a 24-year-old quarterback. you have two You have a rookie tackle and and a second-year tackle. and you know You've got all sorts of young guys on the on the field and on on the line, and like you're trying to flush out the roster. like You can't afford to be throwing that level of draft capital at any one position, truthfully.
00:28:48
Savage Boston
I felt like it's just starting to feel like that's that's a massive deal. I really don't think Elliott Wolfe would do that. Like, Schefter seems convinced, though.
00:28:54
Bret
well
00:28:56
Savage Boston
hold on before you go, Brett. Schefter seems very convinced, apparently, at 2028 first-round pick. That's what Schefter is apparently convinced about, which is basically like a second in 2027. That's like kind of similar similar-ish value.
00:29:09
Snooty
Yeah, time value money.
00:29:10
Savage Boston
You kick the can, and it's a worse draft, whatever.
00:29:10
Snooty
It's really...
00:29:12
Savage Boston
Yeah,
00:29:12
Snooty
but That's a borderline third if you're looking at today's money.
00:29:15
Savage Boston
it's basically like a fifth-round pick, yeah.
00:29:20
Savage Boston
Yeah. It's like basically free.
00:29:22
Bret
There definitely is a little bit of a PR battle going back and forth, and they're just basically using their inside guys to leverage position.
00:29:31
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:29:31
Bret
What I do think was odd is like he notes in there, he basically says, well, the Patriots put themselves in kind of ah a bad spot. They lost their leverage because they didn't draft a guy in the NFL draft this past go-around for wide receiver, whereas Philly did.
00:29:47
Bret
right They traded up, they used some of their picks, and they got a guy.
00:29:48
Snooty
Thank you.
00:29:51
Bret
right They got Makai Lemon. Well, I hear you, but at the same time, you don't have a buyer for A.J. Brown, do you? Like, who else is knocking down your door trying to get A.J. Brown?
00:30:02
Bret
There has been zero reports about anyone else coming into the fold here. Now, I don't want to take it lightly. I still think we do trade, and I'm okay if it's a 20-28 first. I am not okay if it's a first and a second at all. For an aging wide receiver that you're only going to get two, maybe three good years on, no way.
00:30:19
Bret
We are still in a rebuild I just don't think that's going to happen. But at the same time, I also look at it and say, i don't think the Eagles, by drafting Makai Lemon and then the Patriots not drafting a wide receiver, miraculously increased their leverage that now we would have to come in and it would cost us a first and a second.
00:30:38
Bret
I don't see how that math adds up. To me, this is just an Eagles beat guy, like he's a Philly voice type guy that's just trying to drum it up just like we're doing it on our side.
00:30:51
Bret
And you're hearing the inside guys get intel from the Patriots and how Schefter basically looks at it from so and somewhat neutral ground and says it's going to be a twenty twenty eight first. Now, I'd imagine there's going to be probably a pick swap at the end. My guess is like a fourth and a fifth.
00:31:08
Bret
I cannot see a second.
00:31:10
Savage Boston
Who's leaking that to Schefter, though? Like, who's what side's leaking that out to Schefter? Like, hey, I want you to get out that it's a a first round in 2028. Because obviously they both sides have told Schefter, yeah, we're going to get a deal done.
00:31:23
Savage Boston
Both sides have told him. But, like, who's leaking the first in 2028 out?
00:31:27
Snooty
Philly.
00:31:27
Bret
both both
00:31:30
Savage Boston
Okay. Then they're both like, yeah, that's the agreed to comp. Like, we're just going to do it for – and then what in 2027? Anything? Nothing. A third? A fourth? Like, if you give a second next year and a first in 2028, that is a massive price tag.
00:31:44
Savage Boston
Again, as you said, for an aging wide receiver with bad knees, degenerative knees. Again, you wouldn't have done that. You know, like, that that's a tough – that's a lot. It's a lot to swallow there. So, I think – Yes, I want A.J. Brown, obviously. I think he's coming here.
00:32:01
Savage Boston
I don't know what the final deal is. I wish it would be like even a – what call it? I forget the word for it. But a deal – a contingency. Like ah basically, you know okay, this is a second maybe if A.J.
00:32:14
Savage Boston
Brown if you plays in every game and goes to a first or something.
00:32:16
Snooty
with conditions.
00:32:18
Savage Boston
I don't know. Like you make a contingency plan, right? But the price is so steep.
00:32:22
Bret
I feel that first will probably have some kind of protection clause in there. I can't imagine that it wouldn't. But ah to me, I think it's probably to a first and a fourth, and we'll probably get a fifth back at A.J. Brown.
00:32:37
Savage Boston
If you did a fourth in 2027 and a first in 2028, I think people would would be okay with it largely. I think people still – there's going to be people who don't want the first at all.
00:32:47
Bret
Thank you.
00:32:48
Savage Boston
But like versus Diggs doing like a two and a four or two and a five, like I think that's where you want to be. Comp-wise, that's what I'd want to be is 2027-2 2028-2 and a fifth or fourth. But – or twenty twenty eight two and a fifth or a fourth but that
00:33:03
Snooty
I could see a conditional second either in 2028 or 2027 that could convey to a first if certain parameters were to meet. Now, what those parameters are, I'm assuming it's games played and, you know, whatever.
00:33:13
Bret
Thank
00:33:16
Snooty
I could see that for 2028 because by then you'd have, what, two years of A.J. Brown. So you basically be like, look, if we got two healthy years from him, yeah yeah, I'll give you a first-round pick because he played for two first he played for two years. like That's value. But like if he misses time or whatever like you know or doesn't play very well or whatever it is, like then it it would stick with a two. like I could see that type of thing. where it's a And then Philly would be reporting that because obviously anything that makes the price a one and not a two benefits them.
00:33:45
Snooty
But then also they could be kind of trying to spin it to be like, no, we're going to get a first.
00:33:46
Bret
Thank
00:33:48
Snooty
like at The expectation is they'll get a first in 2020 or whatever it is.
00:33:52
Bret
you.
00:33:53
Savage Boston
How
00:33:53
Snooty
that's I think that's where it's going to end up. Something like that.
00:33:57
Savage Boston
do you guys feel about Stefan Diggs getting a completely not guilty from all charges? Diggs is now like back in the market. What about, what about Diggs on the, on the super cheap?
00:34:07
Savage Boston
Bring back Diggs on a, On a cheap deal, add him to the room?
00:34:11
Snooty
Why would he be cheap?
00:34:14
Savage Boston
I don't know. Because he's aging and has problems. Legal problems.
00:34:20
Bret
Well, I will say...
00:34:21
Snooty
Add...
00:34:22
Savage Boston
Last legal issue, you know what I mean?
00:34:23
Snooty
had legal profit.
00:34:23
Savage Boston
like Had. Yeah, I don't think this is his last like personal or he's in the media. He's a distraction. But if he wants to take less money, you take him back.
00:34:34
Bret
Well, I think you look at it and say, sure, why not? If A.J. Brown goes south, why not? If we have A.J. Brown, I don't know where he fits.
00:34:44
Bret
I mean,
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00:34:45
Bret
to me, he's not going to get over Dobbs. You've got to build around Dobbs. He's not going to take over A.J. Brown's spot, so that's not going to happen. And then, like, are you going to develop any of your other guys? Like, are you going to not develop Kyle Williams? Is that just you're done? You're already pushing out that second-round pick from last year? You're like, yeah, it's just not going to happen.
00:35:06
Bret
um Actually, third-round pick. But anyways, it's just one of those things where you just look it and you're like, it's not going to happen. But if if A.J. Brown doesn't happen, sure, why not?
00:35:20
Snooty
They like Kyle Williams from all our boards. And, I mean, that guy's fast as hell. So, I think if you get – I don't think it is either.
00:35:25
Savage Boston
I don't think it's going to happen, by the way. I don't think that's happening. No.
00:35:28
Snooty
You know what I do think is going to happen? was thinking about this today, and this is random. I think the Broncos are going to miss the playoffs next year.
00:35:35
Savage Boston
Really?
00:35:35
Snooty
Yeah, everybody's talking all this shit about how awesome they are.
00:35:38
Savage Boston
if
00:35:38
Snooty
I'm like, i don't know. They just strike me as that team that, like, is just – you're going to fuck up and miss the playoffs.
00:35:43
Savage Boston
I think the Chiefs might miss the playoffs again.
00:35:46
Bret
I'm gonna go Chiefs. I think they're gonna be another bust year.
00:35:49
Savage Boston
I think the Chiefs... Well, can't play the Broncos. i think they get smaller I think the Broncos are beat up on the Chiefs.
00:35:54
Bret
Thank you.
00:35:56
Savage Boston
They just like their defense is sick. And I think the Chiefs and Mahomes, like I said, Mahomes has been not that great the last like three years. He's been an average quarterback. I know they've had challenges on the roster, but he' still you still – Andy Reid and Mahomes, it's like saying Belichick and Brady. All a sudden, Brady's having average seasons. You'd be like, what's going on here that's abnormal, right? Yeah.
00:36:19
Savage Boston
I don't know, maybe Mahomes makes a comeback and gets in shape and and does it, but like how long does that dude play with his body type? Because like he's the dude that doesn't seem to really control you know care for his body that much unless he turns around.
00:36:31
Snooty
not even it's It's not even his body type.
00:36:32
Bret
yeah
00:36:33
Snooty
It's his play style. And it's not that he runs.
00:36:35
Savage Boston
He's reckless.
00:36:36
Snooty
It's not that he runs. It's that he's pretty reliant on running and kind of making stuff happen. know what I mean? Versus someone who likes to run like to you know and makes plays like on the run type of thing.
00:36:48
Snooty
like He's like,
00:36:48
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:36:49
Snooty
He, like, he, and that's what he does. Like, he just, he scrambles a lot. Like, it's, it's not a designed runner. He just, like, plays backyard football. And, like, Kelsey's slower.
00:36:57
Bret
Yeah.
00:36:58
Snooty
Like, is he going to be healthy all year? Like, 36 or whatever he is. Like, he's.
00:37:02
Savage Boston
How is their offense, how is the Chiefs offense going to hang next year? You know, they haven't been that great. You know, I just think that – I think maybe – I'm not saying the window is gone, but, like, they've got to reinvent themselves somehow too.
00:37:15
Snooty
They're going to.
00:37:15
Savage Boston
Like, they've been –
00:37:16
Snooty
run the ball and play defense. They just replaced most of their secondary.
00:37:19
Savage Boston
that's what they've been doing.
00:37:19
Snooty
So I don't know how they're going to do that, but.
00:37:20
Savage Boston
Yeah. That's how they won a Super Bowl for a couple years in a row they did it without the crazy passes. Like, they've just been running the ball and played. They played sick defense. all but No one talks about it. Talk about Mahomes. Their defense was incredible in the postseason.
00:37:33
Savage Boston
But Yeah.
00:37:34
Bret
Well, I mean, they brought in Kenneth Walker, so I think they're going to try and do some more running of the football. But, I mean, when it comes to Mahomes versus, like, the Brady, I mean, Brady definitely did it with less.
00:37:44
Bret
We basically left that guy with scrubs for years on wide receivers, and he still made it happen. It's because he was able to dissect the defense, and basically you're going to get you're going to get open, and he had precision passing.
00:37:59
Bret
Whereas Mahomes is able to scramble, which breaks down the defense, and then he makes crazy throws because he's got a great arm. But it's not because it's like he's... basically analyzing the defense they're drawing up a great play and he can read it and then so he's gonna pick his spot and it's gonna happen no i mean it's just not their playing style so i agree i think the chiefs would probably continue to have a down year because i do think denver is a better team i don't think denver is gonna fall off the edge i think they show that they could be competitive and they still have a really strong defense and
00:38:33
Bret
offense They just were opportunistic. I think they'll remain that way. I think the Chiefs will suck. But I also like we talked about, I think the Pats, I mean, therere i would say they're fourth best team right now in the AFC.
00:38:47
Bret
Like they're in the top four.
00:38:49
Savage Boston
Who do you have ahead of him?
00:38:52
Bret
I think the Bills are ahead of them because I just think they're a better team overall. I think Denver is better team than them right now. Just more of a complete roster. I take the May factor over next, which is probably what would tip us over the edge and a head-to-head.
00:39:07
Bret
But over the course of a season, I think they're going to have a better season, better result.
00:39:12
Savage Boston
How do you think about that? okay Oh my God.
00:39:16
Snooty
Insightful.
00:39:16
Savage Boston
ah Running the pod, sorry.
00:39:17
Snooty
Very insightful.
00:39:18
Savage Boston
What do you think about the Chargers with McDaniel coming there? How dangerous are the Chargers?
00:39:22
Bret
Thank you.
00:39:24
Savage Boston
Herbert team up with mcdate Mike McDaniel with Marble.
00:39:26
Snooty
Yeah, I mean, like, I'm not, and i i think highly of Herbert, highly more highly than most people do.
00:39:27
Savage Boston
That's kind of a tough – that's a good coaching staff.
00:39:29
Bret
Thank you.
00:39:33
Snooty
um I think he does a lot fit for that team and that that franchise. Like, I mean, he took he got the shit beat out of him up here.
00:39:39
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:40
Snooty
Like, he just got just fucking mangled, him but, like, through no fault of his own. I don't know. I just can't take the Chargers seriously. like When I think of like going to Arrowhead or going two-mile high, like I'm like, oh, like that's you know that's not fun. Then I'm like going to SoFi Stadium. I'm like, it's not even their fucking stadium. I don't know. like i just i It's one of those franchises. I'm like, no, you're good. And I could see you winning the AFC West, but like I don't know. like I'm not really ever going to like truly believe in you until you actually do it.
00:40:12
Bret
I think they're a scary team. I mean, i think Harbaugh has done a good job kind of building that roster. I think... I think they could be a scary team. I mean, they've got to obviously stay healthy on their offensive line. That was their demise last year.
00:40:26
Bret
But I think they could be a threat. And I think McDaniels is a really good OC. So I think we'd be problematic. To me, I think it'd be interesting to see what happens to team like Baltimore now that Harbaugh's not there anymore.
00:40:38
Bret
Like, what do they look like? There was definitely some internal issues going on there.
00:40:39
Savage Boston
It
00:40:42
Savage Boston
could be kind of 50, I don't know how much I trust that the
00:40:46
Bret
I don't know how it could to come out, but I also know Lamar wasn't Lamar all last year. So give Lamar a year to get healthy and see what comes with a new environment and a healthy Lamar.
00:40:57
Bret
I wouldn't sleep on them. I think there definitely could be a tricky team. And, and you know, honestly, they could have beat us if they decided to, you know, they basically said we're not going to hand it to Derrick Henry and then we won the game. Whereas if they just kept handing it to Derrick Henry, they would have beaten us.
00:41:15
Savage Boston
crazy. most the Still most of the good quarterbacks are in the AFC. Most of the best quarterbacks, like by far.
00:41:19
Snooty
Thank you.
00:41:20
Savage Boston
I mean, you've got a pretty stack between Allen, you know, Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow, Drake. Like, you know, I put
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00:41:29
Savage Boston
Drake up there now, obviously. But, like, you have a pretty darn good – You have a good AFC with quarterbacks, and it's funny that the NFC with Seattle was such a good freaking football team last year, obviously, without an elite quarterback.
00:41:42
Savage Boston
And I think Darnold was a very serviceable quarterback, but he is not elite.
00:41:46
Bret
going to go to the next one.
00:41:46
Savage Boston
He is not elite, and they beat up on everybody. That team was fucking nasty, and I think their coach –
00:41:52
Snooty
Donald, McDonald.
00:41:53
Savage Boston
McDonald or whatever, like he's kind of like a Belichick-ish to me, like a savant. Like that dude can fucking coach a defense. You see his clips, dude, of him talking about how he pictures certain situations and like rushing the passer and schemes. like Like his defense is pretty diabolical, man. Like the confusion on quarterbacks. you just that's that's the That's the new NFL, and like that's the strategy now is you just just have to make quarterbacks think.
00:42:17
Savage Boston
you can't They have to sit back there and be like, what am I looking at?
00:42:21
Bret
Thank you.
00:42:21
Savage Boston
It can't just be like one read slam. like You literally have to make them process and it makes their lives really, really difficult. And it's not it's it seems like common sense, but this is why teams now have to shift back to Can you run the fucking football?
00:42:36
Savage Boston
Because if you can pound the rock, there's a lot less thinking if it's third and four versus third and 12. right You have to run the football. So that's why you know there's two two parts to the game. Running the football is going to be a big piece of it.
00:42:49
Snooty
Right, but think of think of where all this started, right? When all all these rules changed, like in terms of like off-season workouts and practices, and they don't have doubles and shit like that. What was the one thing that consistently everybody everybody brought up and said was going to be an issue?
00:43:03
Snooty
It was offensive line play, right? Because you need the rep.
00:43:05
Savage Boston
you know, sloppy play, penalties,
00:43:07
Snooty
you You need the reps. You need the continuity. You need the reps playing with guys.
00:43:10
Bret
so
00:43:11
Snooty
You need the practice. You you just need it. You need the contact to to to develop a cohesive unit and do it. So if you're if there's league-wide, on average, the the offensive line play is down overall, right?
00:43:24
Snooty
That's why the mediocre guys and fringe guys get paid so much because they find someone, ooh, he doesn't suck ass, like we'll put him in there. So if that's the case, then if the faster, the more you can confuse a quarterback or make him think, the more you require your all line the other O-line to block.
00:43:40
Bret
Thank you.
00:43:41
Snooty
Right. And that's how you can get sacks and stuff like that. To me, it's like it's just like it's always a pattern. And then they'll start running the ball and they'll start slowing down some of these smaller defenses. And then, you know, they'll start mixing in some, you know, run pass, you know, different RPO, different things like that to try to s slow down the defense and make them kind of declare and show their hand before the snap. And then that can help out some of the quarterbacks that way. And it's like it's all a cat and mouse game. Like everybody that's it just goes back and forth all the time.
00:44:09
Bret
It's very rich coming from a former offensive lineman to say, everyone says that the offensive line the unit that struggles the most because they took away contact when I have never heard that in the day in my life.
00:44:22
Bret
Because what I've looked at is –
00:44:23
Savage Boston
I didn't slo
00:44:26
Bret
Early season defenses have the advantages because offenses aren't in sync defenses are just reacting to the and attacking the offense whereas offense they're not in sync so their timing is off They just don't have good rhythm on things and they just haven't gotten that continuity whereas defense you can be disruptive So I mean if an offense doesn't have continuity it favors the defense
00:44:50
Savage Boston
these These teams have gotten the position, like, when you're ah when you're predictable as an offense and you, you know, you're not seeing it well, you're not reading the defense well, they know what you're doing in certain situations.
00:44:54
Bret
Thank
00:45:02
Savage Boston
Like, Mike McDonald, in that, in that when he had the Patriots in the Super Bowl in passing situations, I mean, they were fucked. They were literally fucked. I mean, they all a sudden, like, the Patriots couldn't be aggressive and take it to them.
00:45:15
Savage Boston
The Patriots on ah offense were somehow reactive. Like, they couldn't. figure out how to take it to them. All a sudden it's third and eight.
00:45:20
Bret
going go to the next one.
00:45:21
Savage Boston
They're rushing five, four or five. They're all getting to the quarterback, and they're running a defense that Drake has no idea what he's seeing. No idea. They're doing these rotations. They have different schemes. Like the zones they ran were, you know, everything shifts after the play. It's just like what the Ravens did. People, you know, you look like you're a false front rushing seven or eight, three drop back, one dude rotates here, they rotate up. It's like, it's fucking crazy. If you were an average person trying to play quarterback and into that, you'd be like, where are these people going? like what like You have to somehow be aggressive and take it to them. I don't know what Brady would have done. like I don't know what Tom Brady would have done in that situation. I assume they would have tried to have some answer. I think Brady probably would have gotten smoked in that game too.
00:46:06
Savage Boston
Like, ah not trying to be hot take, but look what happened against the Giants when they were getting to him with four every play. Like, he couldn't play against that, right?
00:46:13
Bret
Well, especially because we didn't have the wide receivers that could separate.
00:46:13
Snooty
Yeah.
00:46:13
Savage Boston
like
00:46:14
Snooty
i mean
00:46:17
Bret
So yeah, I i would agree.
00:46:18
Savage Boston
ah You have Randy Moss and Wes Welker. I mean, like, you you just couldn't. Yeah.
00:46:22
Bret
i'm saying i'm I'm saying Brady on this roster. Take May out, put Brady on the roster, play Seattle. I don't think Brady could have done any better.
00:46:29
Savage Boston
Yeah, this would that's hard. They didn't have a good roster. Demario Douglas doesn't know how to sit down in zones. stuff ah Booty is like a slow developing pass rusher. he doesn't He's not quick. He takes a while to get off. And Diggs lost a step in the postseason. So you didn't have guys that could win reps or sit in zones. It was a fucking mess. and we've We've been over. you know what i mean? It was a mess.
00:46:49
Snooty
And I think that's what I would look for more for this year in terms of how the offense can kind of, you know, switch it up and bring it to take it to a defense a little bit is positional um groupings and like versatile pull positional groupings.
00:46:50
Bret
Thank
00:47:01
Snooty
Get back to the day where though the days of like you had Gronk out there. And I don't mean that someone's going to be Gronk, but like he could split out. He can play off ball. He can play in line like.
00:47:11
Snooty
You have a running back. The fullback that they have, i know you guys can laugh, but like he can move a little bit. like You can split him out and you can actually like you actually catch the ball and run a little bit. So you at least have to respect it.
00:47:23
Snooty
So like if you do different things like that, you can get in different formations and shift and move and actually kind of force the defense to give you some tells a little bit to help out the quarterback to try to decipher what they're doing.
00:47:33
Snooty
And that's why, truthfully, I was very disappointed in Josh McDaniels in the Super Bowl because there was absolutely fucking none of that going on. um which just made you know bad situation worse.
00:47:44
Bret
The biggest thing I want to see from a growth standpoint for our offense is the ability to run the ball when the team knows we're going to run the ball. I think that's what hurt us the most all last year.
00:47:56
Bret
If you can run the ball, it opens up the playbook. If you can't run the ball, you're fucked. And we couldn't do it, so that was a problem. That's why we invested so much in the offensive line this off season.
00:48:09
Bret
i think Farrah Tucker is going to be good. Kick Jared Wilson and stay inside. you know, I, We'll see what happens with the rest of the group. I think Will Campbell will get in another year under his belt, healthy.
00:48:21
Bret
Like, I think that's going to help. And then, yeah, you get the fullback, what's it, Gilliam, right, from below.
00:48:25
Snooty
Yeah.
00:48:26
Bret
I mean, he was he was he was huge for Buffalo.
00:48:27
Savage Boston
Gillian.
00:48:29
Bret
So, yeah, if he can be versatile and give us a a threat for a pass, great. But I also need him to do what he did best, which is set a lead block and let's open things up so that we can get outside.
00:48:43
Bret
You know, get Stevenson out.
00:48:43
Savage Boston
They're going to the football.
00:48:44
Bret
Get him in the face.
00:48:46
Savage Boston
They're going to run the football. I think that's clear. they Their actions send a clear message that they're going to pound the fucking rock. And i don't care who thinks it's bad or weird or there's some people lying or just like, they need just receivers. receipt There's like one account. It's always talking about they need receivers. Like, I get it. You need talent everywhere.
00:49:06
Savage Boston
But you have to run the fucking football too. You can't expect Drake to be a superhero every game.
00:49:09
Bret
I'm going to go to the next one.
00:49:11
Savage Boston
Not every game, not every play. He was crazy last year. Running around all all the place throwing bombs. Drake had a ridiculous season. He was outstanding. and but you can't expect it all the time. Like you have to function within the offense. Like Drake should be an ethical hooper. That's what everyone joked about, an ethical hooper. Like, yeah, he needs to be efficient and ethical. And they weren't, and they weren't like that. So anyway, we'll wrap it up here because we've gone long.
00:49:38
Savage Boston
We're at like 50 minutes. um last Less to talk about. But, but yeah, I appreciate everyone tuning in. we'll We'll be back and keep rolling this offseason. Hopefully shit doesn't get too – Too dead zoning for everybody, which would really suck.
00:49:51
Savage Boston
So ah we'll keep it rolling. We'll catch you guys next time. Peace.
00:49:56
Bret
Yes.
00:49:56
Snooty
Yep.