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EPISODE 79 - TreVeyon Henderson drama and AJ Brown
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Introduction and Draft Season
00:00:01
Savage Boston
Alright guys, welcome back to the Savage Boston Podcast. We are here. It is March 31st, 8.30 at night. Recording today with a friend of the pod, special guest Pete Collins from Foxborough, fellas. How we doing, Pete?
00:00:13
Peter Collins
What's going on? Thanks for having me.
00:00:15
Savage Boston
Yeah, we're back and it's kind of like we're we're creeping up on we're creeping up on some some stuff going on. Draft season, we're
Controversy and Public Statements
00:00:23
Savage Boston
creeping up on... ah You know, we had the owner meetings, league meetings today, which is kind of big deal. So, um I think like...
00:00:30
Savage Boston
you know, what we'll kick it off with. And we just, we were just talking about this smidge before we got started, because there's a lot to it, but I just want to touch on the Travion Henderson thing. It doesn't have to be a crazy story.
00:00:41
Savage Boston
It really doesn't. Cause we're not here. Like the point of the pod is like, let's not come on and lecture people about like their beliefs being this, their beliefs being that, like, I don't need to lecture someone that,
00:00:52
Savage Boston
about their belief structure and and if they're um incredibly, ah they feel incredibly strongly one way or the other. But I will lead with this and then throw to you, Pete. um You know, Travion plays for the Patriots. He represents the Patriots.
00:01:10
Savage Boston
He is a Patriot. um He is absolutely allowed to have beliefs with the realization that, you know, if you have strong beliefs, there's a certain group of fans and people that live here and represent this region um that are gay or LGBT.
00:01:19
Peter Collins
you
00:01:29
Savage Boston
And i know a lot of like tough football guys, whatever, maybe you don't, don't care, but Travion has to represent the Patriots. You know, this is an NFL organization. This is a corporation. This is like real, this is real deal now. So why don't you throw to you, Pete, you give me your initial your initial thoughts on it and then I'll i'll come back after that.
00:01:50
Peter Collins
Yeah, I'll tell you my first thought when seeing it was disappointment. I was disappointed that he tweeted that out. um Granted, he has freedom of speech and he can do whatever he wants. This is America. That's what's beautiful about it. But I also have freedom of speech, too. Right. We both have freedom of speech to kind of say what we want here. um But Trevion's freedom of speech is different.
00:02:10
Peter Collins
It doesn't mean freedom from the consequences when you're publicly representing a franchise. Right. Like that's not he's not free from that part, which I think is what Vrabel hinted on when he spoke about it. He said he he wants to, you know, educate and, you know, make sure that he everyone's being inclusive on his team. And I think that's what he wants to educate Trevion Henderson on.
00:02:28
Peter Collins
I saw some big accounts out there tweeting like educate him on. saying what he believes. It's like, no, he doesn't want to say, don't say what you believe. He wants to tell Trevion, hey, man, when you so when you say these things, understand how the media is going to react, understand how people are going to take it and understand that if it's divisive at all, that you're representing the Patriots, right? And from a Patriots perspective, maybe we don't want that attention. Maybe we want to be talking about football and not about something that's not football, right? So I think that's what Mike Vrabel and I think Mike Vrabel handled it perfectly. A plus work from Vrabel here. He's just been killing it.
00:03:00
Peter Collins
Like every single thing that Vrabel does, he nails, it feels like. And this is another one of those things. um But yeah, the messaging that Trevion Henderson put out there, disappointed with that because um he it's not inclusive, right? I'm i'm um'm a person who would much rather inclusive behavior than non-inclusive behavior. And that's borderline homophobic at times. You could take it that way. um And I'm sure a lot of people are taking it that way. um especially people of that community, definitely taking it that way from just scanning Twitter really quickly. You can see you either stand on one side or the other, one side of the fence or the other. ah It's quite controversial. But like you said, this isn't here. We're not here to preach to anybody about what they should believe, because everyone gets to believe their own their own thing here in America. But what you believe, if you broadcast it publicly as a public figure, will come with some consequences of judgment.
00:03:49
Savage Boston
Yeah, and I think – totally right. I think Vrabel handled it pretty much as well as you could have handled it. I think he had to say something. He should have addressed it. um He handled it really well. I mean, I think leading off, first of all, he he told the truth.
00:04:03
Savage Boston
That's what I like about Vrabel. Like, he he led with the truth. It's it's way better than being like, ah you know, I'll talk to him or or not addressing. I think Vrabel came out and said, listen, I love Travion. I care about Travion because he does – That's the good part, and that's where Vrabel's awesome and why he is such a good player coach.
00:04:20
Savage Boston
like He really cares about these guys. He cares that Travion cares about his faith and his family. That's a big part of Travion's life.
00:04:26
Peter Collins
right
00:04:28
Savage Boston
That's great. On the flip side, we do have to be inclusive. and and that doesn't mean i mean there's There's some degree of wiggle room here. It doesn't mean just you have to just be like,
00:04:41
Savage Boston
You hate gay people or you love gay people. It's just inclusivity in this country. You're trying to give everybody a fair shot. it's This country is about um giving everyone – hopefully you want to give everyone an equal opportunity.
Public Perception and Team Dynamics
00:04:56
Savage Boston
That's the point of the country. You want equal opportunity and you want to be inclusive and not alienate people, especially if they're fans of your team.
00:05:04
Savage Boston
And I could think of a hundred different examples about um whether it's controversial things now that people agree slash disagree with that you still like,
00:05:14
Savage Boston
you know Again, you're trying to you're trying to you're trying to provide an atmosphere where people can come support and love a football team and support a football team and not create an atmosphere where they feel like they're being discriminated against.
00:05:26
Savage Boston
So I'm sorry again to for people who feel like this is like – I don't know what – I generally don't know what people want out of a take online. Like you can be the – Yeah.
00:05:36
Peter Collins
People want your honest opinion, just like we want from Vrabel.
00:05:38
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:05:39
Peter Collins
We just want you. And like, that's what I tried to give people on Twitter today was just genuinely me. And it's I don't i think that's what Trevion Henderson was trying to do, too. Right. I think everyone just has to understand who they are.
00:05:50
Peter Collins
what their role is and what you know what the expectation is of that role. right We're Twitter. person you know We cover the Patriots for fun out of because we're fans of the team. right He works for the effing team.
00:06:01
Peter Collins
That's different. he can He can have his beliefs.
00:06:02
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:06:04
Peter Collins
He just has to understand that he's a spokesperson for the team.
00:06:06
Savage Boston
Imagine if like Evan Lazar was like post like Bible verses again, nothing wrong with the Bible folks, but you're posting very specific.
00:06:11
Peter Collins
Yeah. Yeah.
00:06:18
Savage Boston
The Bible is a big book. There's lots in it. You can pick that you like and don't like, and he's picking specific things in response to. Yeah.
00:06:25
Peter Collins
He was saying something with that. he his He was saying with that quote, he's saying that he's quoting a verse about being persecuted for righteousness while reposting a message that frames LGBTQ people as unrighteous.
00:06:27
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:06:29
Savage Boston
yeah
00:06:36
Peter Collins
So it's basically coming off like an endorsement of that view. He's basically endorsing that. i I think it's not OK that the NBA had their pride month and I don't think that we should be doing that at all. you know, that's basically what he's saying. And that's.
00:06:50
Peter Collins
A lot of reading into it, not even reading into it, just understanding what he's basically saying. Being able to read, reading comprehension tells you that's what he's saying. And maybe that's not the message that you want to be putting out there.
00:07:01
Peter Collins
Just just maybe. But the people calling for to be cut are wild.
00:07:02
Savage Boston
I don't know.
00:07:04
Peter Collins
Like to to take bring it back to football, like silly. That's silly. He's on the football team. Vrabel just sits down, talks to him, says not like that, like this, and we move forward. You know, like it's just, it's it's not a football thing. It shouldn't affect the football field.
00:07:17
Savage Boston
Yeah, I don't know. Honestly, there's, i don't know. i think Travion obviously feels really strongly. And like, I don't know what happens in a scenario where Vrabel says like, hey man, like we got to really think about what we say. Like we have people that are fans of this team and this group. um You know, this is something where, ah you know, I just want you to be careful about how you're saying things.
00:07:39
Savage Boston
you' You're free to say what you want. You know, I don't know what happens. If Travion continues to like, let's say he doubled down, tripled I don't know.
00:07:45
Peter Collins
Yeah, what if you Mike, that was exactly what I wanted to say.
00:07:45
Savage Boston
He's always...
00:07:48
Peter Collins
You tell me to be careful about what I said. I was super careful. That's exactly what. What if that's his response to Rabel? Rabel has his first tough sort of scenario on his hands, maybe?
00:07:57
Savage Boston
Yeah, i' I mean, there's a situation where that could happen because, again, tradeit the verses Travion sharing are like about speaking your mind and how people that are, I think, about the faithful will speak their mind and and get into heaven.
00:08:09
Savage Boston
Like it's verses like that. I could read the verses. But it's being faithful and and and you're being righteous and sharing your opinion and spreading the word, all that stuff, right?
00:08:13
Peter Collins
Righteous.
00:08:18
Savage Boston
And so inherently in his mind, he's he's right. like he feels right. And so I just hope there's some, it's not about skepticism.
00:08:24
Peter Collins
Right.
00:08:28
Savage Boston
I hope there's just a little bit of wiggle room to to realize like you could be hurting people and you can, you can basically, this is not inclusive language. And unfortunately, again, nobody fucking likes the, or at least in modern day Twitter land, nobody likes inclusive stuff.
00:08:43
Savage Boston
You're supposed to just fucking wake up cooking for blood. I had people at 8am dude that it's not,
00:08:46
Peter Collins
yes That's just Twitter. Twitter's not a good reflection of society. You can't go out you can't go and have Twitter takes at the lunch table.
00:08:51
Savage Boston
it's not
00:08:55
Peter Collins
That just doesn't work.
00:08:57
Savage Boston
That's unbelievable how people were genuinely out for blood at 8 a.m. m today. i mean, it's like they woke up, went on.
00:09:01
Peter Collins
yeah
00:09:03
Savage Boston
I was like, oh, wow, this Travion situation is pretty interesting, huh? And everyone's like, fuck you. You can't quote the scripture anymore. like
00:09:10
Peter Collins
what
00:09:11
Savage Boston
like script the the The scripture posting was literally about like, it was, a again, this is we're talking is small, specific scriptures.
00:09:18
Peter Collins
Thank you.
00:09:19
Savage Boston
Mind you, there's also passages that say like rich men won't get into heaven, right? There's a lot of specific passages.
00:09:25
Peter Collins
yeah say Are you not supposed to touch pigs like or something like that? And doesn't Trevion Henderson play football?
00:09:28
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:09:29
Peter Collins
I don't know. There's so many rules and like you know rules and rags, it feels like, in there that that some people follow some things and don't follow the other things. And Trevion Henderson might follow them all. Who knows?
00:09:40
Peter Collins
This isn't a religion thing. like He's allowed to do whatever he wants with his religion, say whatever he wants. And in fact, like in some world, I'm okay with him just quietly believing whatever he wants to believe, even if I strongly disagree with it.
00:09:53
Peter Collins
And think it's like homophobic what he he might believe. right like Even if that's the take. like Do that. Fine. Just can I live my life without you know without knowing that? Can you live your life without knowing how I feel about it? And can we just kind of go about our lives? right like That would be fine with me. It's the fact that he chose to speak out as a running back for the New England Patriots on Twitter.
00:10:13
Peter Collins
Right. Like of all places, too. Right. So I think it just may be about how his messaging gets out there. Like we want you to get your message about your faith out there. Here are some good avenues and and better ways to get your message out there, since that's what he's trying to accomplish. Right. Getting his faith
Team Strategy and Player Performance
00:10:27
Peter Collins
out there.
00:10:27
Peter Collins
Maybe the Patriots can help him with that and promote that. Just channel it in a different direction.
00:10:33
Savage Boston
And before we move on, I just want again full say like I absolutely support Travion Henderson, Travion Henderson being a religious person and for his religious rights, want him to feel confident in his religious beliefs.
00:10:42
Peter Collins
Yeah, do you, man.
00:10:49
Savage Boston
and period. And I think for the, I feel that way for anyone in this country, whether you're Jewish, Muslim, anyone at like, like you, it's religious freedom. That's the point of the fucking country. Just to remind people, that's the point of why people came to this country in the beginning is because they were escaping persecution.
00:11:05
Savage Boston
So again, we don't have to go too deep into it, but that is the truth about why people came here, right? At least partially why people came.
00:11:12
Peter Collins
How do you get our names? We're the Patriots. You know what I mean? We're the Minutemen.
00:11:15
Savage Boston
yeah literally Yeah. Yeah. So, so yeah, just wanted to, you know, i wanted to touch on it because i feel like it it was a pretty big story. Nationally, it was a decent story. And it was good to see that.
00:11:26
Savage Boston
Again, I think Vrabel did an excellent job with that. So, all right, cool. Let's move on because hopefully everyone, everyone listening can chill out.
00:11:32
Peter Collins
Let's talk football.
00:11:36
Savage Boston
This is again, trying the the goal of a podcast, right? Just to clarify so that we can have longer, takes and real takes and real opinions about feelings rather than just like a hundred and whatever characters of like a hot take that everyone can look at and be like, fuck you. Like i know that's what Twitter has become now is like the gotcha moment or whatever, which is weird. That's why i like the podcast. I like people being able to actually discuss it. It's great.
00:12:01
Savage Boston
Get your your full thoughts out there. So um let's move on to Vrabel talking today. And let's let's move on. to i I thought these comments were interesting. You talked about Stephon Diggs, okay?
00:12:13
Peter Collins
E.
00:12:13
Savage Boston
Yeah. I thought this was kind of funny in some way, right? and He's talking about Diggs. He's like, oh, Diggs. he was so efficient. He was so good. Drake threw to him, admit whether it was Drake or him and his great catching ability and all this stuff. And he's just like praising Diggs. was like, wait, you guys were the ones that didn't paint it. You didn't want Diggs.
00:12:32
Savage Boston
You know what
00:12:32
Peter Collins
There was two things that stood out in that quote. So like just for the the listeners, the the listeners, the whole quote is this.
00:12:35
Savage Boston
Yeah, you know.
00:12:38
Peter Collins
It's literally about targets, the efficiency, Vrabel said. We all appreciate what Steph did, and I really love being able to coach him. The efficiency in which he was able to catch the ball is impressive, right? That was the first part of the quote.
00:12:49
Peter Collins
Glazing him. Oh, he's so good. Stephon Diggs is so good. Second part. So whether that's Drake's accuracy. Whoa, whoa, wait a minute. Taking away from Stephon right there, in my opinion. where I'm going to give some credit to Drake and take a little bit away from Stephon.
00:12:59
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:13:02
Savage Boston
yeah
00:13:02
Peter Collins
yeah Yeah, that was maybe Drake throwing, everybody. Maybe it was Drake throwing. So the quote again. So whether that's Drake's accuracy, ball location, more credit to Drake, less credit to Stephon. or Steph's ability to catch it. Okay, and maybe we have to throw Stephon a little bit of credit here. That's something that we'll have to recreate.
00:13:20
Peter Collins
I'm not worried about the catches in the overall production. I think we can recreate that. That's a big quote. I think we can recreate that.
00:13:29
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:13:31
Peter Collins
Basically, I read that as, yeah, we lost the fond eggs. I'll put someone else in there. We can recreate that. And he he goes on to say, we just have to be very mindful that the efficiency in which we throw and catch is important. The efficiency of which we throw and catch is important. He's giving a lot of credit to Drake May and saying, yeah, that was nice. That was awesome. But we can totally recreate that. Whether he's...
00:13:53
Peter Collins
Got a trade in mind. Or whether he thinks he can recreate that from his current roster or the draft. um You know, that, you know, we have to see that play out. But ah those are the two things that stood out to me about this Stefan Diggs quote. Whether that's Drake's accuracy is part A and then part B, I think we can recreate that.
00:14:11
Savage Boston
Yeah, it's it's a really good point. I think clearly Vrabel's confident in his offense. I think he's confident in Josh McDaniels. I think that's clear out of that.
00:14:21
Savage Boston
like that's ah That, to me, talks a lot about Josh McDaniels.
00:14:23
Peter Collins
Is he?
00:14:24
Savage Boston
I think he is.
00:14:24
Peter Collins
do you think so?
00:14:25
Savage Boston
I do. I think that quote says, like, we're going to be able to run our offense, basically. And I think he's really confident in Drake May. and But I think –
00:14:34
Peter Collins
yeah I agree there.
00:14:35
Savage Boston
what is
00:14:36
Peter Collins
i don't know if he's as confident in JMD as as as a as you might think he is.
00:14:40
Savage Boston
that I read that quote is like, like you just said, it's like, we could really parse it. But I think Drake clearly believes in Drake's ability to throw. But I think he's saying like the things like we'll be able to, I think we'll recreate that. Like we'll find people to put in his place that will give the same production. Like we'll find, we'll find that production.
00:14:58
Savage Boston
And I think that that is a vote of confidence too to Josh McDaniels. I think he thinks McDaniels can find players that are going to run the routes, whether it's you know that weird quote about finding routes Romeo Dobbs hadn't run that now he thinks he can run on the Patriots, things like that. right like I think McDaniels and Vrabel do have a good relationship despite like what feels like a little cat and mouse in whether it's the media. like I think they have a good relationship.
00:15:26
Savage Boston
And I think Vrabel is probably somewhat appreciative of how well the offense ran last year despite what everyone looks at as like a, was kind of like a middle roster in some way.
00:15:37
Peter Collins
Thank
00:15:37
Savage Boston
Like they didn't, they don't have the most talented offense, especially not last year. We all agree. Not even play, not even talk playoffs. Like they overperformed an offense because Drake was basically fucking sensational, you know? And I think, and I think Josh helped develop that. So it's all part of the same pie in some way. Like they influence each other. It's not just like one, this one, that they have to work together.
00:15:59
Savage Boston
I just hope that again, if, if we're, if we're getting to the point where obviously I think they're, they're one piece away. We all know the piece and we'll talk about it, but like, I think they're one good piece away in offense from being a really, really, really solid offense with improved personnel from last year.
00:16:18
Peter Collins
Yeah, no. And you mentioned the overproduced. I think Robert Kraft said that, too. And then Mike Vrabel said he had to sit down, Robert, and talk to him about that, which I thought was pretty funny. Like, Mike Vrabel is just the effing man.
00:16:29
Peter Collins
Like, he'll sit down his boss if he says that he overproduced. But I didn't overproduce. I i meant to get there. I knew I was going to get there.
00:16:34
Savage Boston
He produced.
00:16:35
Peter Collins
like that Yeah, i
00:16:35
Savage Boston
in overpool He produced. Yeah.
00:16:36
Peter Collins
yeah Yeah, I produced.
00:16:36
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:16:38
Peter Collins
That's exactly what you hired me to do, right? Was get to the Super Bowl. And that's exactly what I did, Robert. So don't say that we have produced. But let's just be real. Nobody thought they were. lot of people didn't think they were going to make the playoffs. A lot of people thought they might be like a 500 team coming into the year. i mean, they're. win total was like at eight or something like that. Like that's what the people thought. And then they got to the Super Bowl. So clearly overproduced. Drake May and Josh McDaniels clearly had a good relationship in the regular season. And then this just the postseason just didn't work out for the offense just at most of the time, like 80% of the time was not good for that offense throughout the postseason. And I just wonder if like Rabel thinks like, yeah, as soon as the going gets tough, my offense abandons me You know, like I wonder if a little bit he feels that way, but you're right. The, when he's saying that you can replace the fun digs, he's talking about, uh,
00:17:24
Peter Collins
system, which is Josh McDaniels quarterback play ball placement. That's Drake may, and then receiver play collectively. So, you know, maybe it's not one guy that replaces a thousand yard receiver. Maybe it's Dobbs and booty, you know, kind of are like one and a half of Stefan digs. And that's good enough for your team to kind of collectively make it through the season.
Trades and Draft Strategy
00:17:43
Peter Collins
Um, so he's, you know, spreading it, up spreading it out. But, uh, uh, I think you were alluding to maybe someone named, uh, AJ Brown being his plan. at wide receiver and that if if you replace Stiggs with a Brown, then yeah, done it then I understand the quote from a whole different perspective, right? Then that quote means something else.
00:18:04
Savage Boston
yeah i think this is like the aj brown thing which again eagles fans not happy on the internet but Not like they're ever potentially happy. i don't know. It's a notorious group.
00:18:16
Savage Boston
I appreciate them being so passionate about it because it's helping people get through these these off months here on Twitter, right?
00:18:22
Peter Collins
Yeah.
00:18:24
Savage Boston
But, like, if you talk to a rational Eagles fan, I mean, I think i think I'd put it over 50%, my opinion, over 50% that AJ's a Patriot, probably after, probably still after June 1st. I think there's an outside, outside chance it happens,
00:18:40
Savage Boston
before the draft, but you'd have to have the Patriots would have to really, I think, up their offer before the draft to try to make it happen. I actually think it would benefit kind of everybody in some way for doing it before the draft.
00:18:52
Savage Boston
um You just know what you have, but like, and the the deal would just be done. Technically, actually, if the Patriots wait, then they get 31st overall. And then also AJ Brown, maybe that's better for the Patriots. So I would think Howie would know that. Howie knows every scenario, right? So like, he's obviously figured out what's the best case for him. i don't know if he's still gonna want 2027 first round pick He was saying, I need a first, I need a third, I need like all this, which we said from the beginning, i don't think the Patriots have any intention of trading a first round pick. And I still, if anything, it would have been 31 overall this year. And it's not going to be a first rounder in 2027. I cannot imagine that.
00:19:33
Savage Boston
If they do it, I'll be, I'll be very surprised.
00:19:36
Peter Collins
Because the Patriots don't want to give up that pick is why you'd be surprised.
00:19:39
Savage Boston
Yeah, they don't want to do, I don't think they, again, in my opinion, they do not want to give up the first round pick in 2027.
00:19:40
Peter Collins
Yeah.
00:19:46
Savage Boston
I think there be an outside shot. You could sell them on 31st overall because it's more like a high second. But like the 2027 first round pick, what if they finish and they get the 20th overall pick in what's supposed to be an incredible draft class? Like with cost control, low money, at elite position. you know I just think there's a lot there's a lot there about how much you want to give up for this player that they think they're basically going to get like two years out of.
00:20:12
Savage Boston
You know, like two good years and then the knees catch up.
00:20:15
Peter Collins
If they are considering a 2027 first round pick, someone should get fired for that decision, like in the New England Patriots organization. And someone should get promoted over in Philadelphia for fleecing us if that happens.
00:20:26
Peter Collins
31 this year might is is much more reasonable, right?
00:20:26
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:20:31
Peter Collins
Yeah, I think that would be... on the table, but I don't post June one, everyone kind of understands the contract at this point that we don't have to re-explain it right for the listeners post June one. If it's going to happen, that is when it's going to happen. That's when you've already drafted. That's when you've already figured a lot of things out for your offense. And so it's late. It's late in the game. I think that moves the price. I also think at that point, people are looking at the 2027 draft class going a second round pick is like a first round pick in some other drafts. So you'll have to accept that Eagles is the second round pick. And then you can use that second round pick to move up and replace Jalen Hurts, which is probably why you want these picks in the first place, right? to
00:21:11
Peter Collins
That's probably why AJ Brown's pissed too, right? Like that's, I think, you know, that is their plan. My opinion would be to move off of Brown, move off of Hurts and use those draft picks.
00:21:19
Savage Boston
Oh, you think they're going to – they want to move off of Jalen Hartz?
00:21:22
Peter Collins
Hertz is not the guy. hurts isnt and I know he's done so much for them, but like they have to be smart enough to realize that he just doesn't have that. like He's like a really good throwing running back, it feels like, at this point.
00:21:33
Peter Collins
like He just doesn't have the arm for it. and It would be wise of them in a good quarterback class like is next year to get draft assets for next year to launch themselves up the board at the right time to pick a quarterback to eventually replace Hertz.
00:21:46
Peter Collins
Eventually, you've got to replace your quarterback.
00:21:48
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:21:48
Peter Collins
It might be the time in that draft class.
00:21:48
Savage Boston
Yeah, I mean, I don't know how Eagles fans feel about that. i think Hurts is serviceable when the whole team is just nasty around him. He did well. Obviously, he was great in Super Bowl. He played really well and did well and enough.
00:21:59
Peter Collins
Yeah.
00:22:00
Savage Boston
But, like, with an elite, elite team and an elite, elite O-line, like the best O-line in football and two elite number one wide receivers. So it's like, yeah, a lot of quarterbacks would do pretty well. Like, i don't know what Jalen Hurts looks like on the Miami Dolphins.
00:22:12
Savage Boston
I don't know what Jalen Hurts, you know, I don't know. I don't know what he looks like on the Patriots. Like, I don't know, you know, how much he elevates a roster, but, um but yeah, no, that's interesting. Hold on. Let me, this is totally random. I was thinking about this the other day.
00:22:25
Savage Boston
What, why do you think people are predicting the chiefs win total being like over under like 11 or whatever? It's something very high mark for a team that had a healthy Patrick Mahomes last year.
00:22:39
Savage Boston
And obviously like really underperformed and Mahomes was not good healthy, by the way, not good last season. And they had a lot of issues with their weapons and blah, blah.
00:22:48
Peter Collins
Thank
00:22:51
Savage Boston
blaht So like, give me your take really quick. i know it's completely random. Give me your take on the chiefs. Like you feel like are people like just assuming they're, it's like the Patriots dynasty. Like they're just assuming Mahomes is going to bring him back to the AFC championship.
00:23:03
Savage Boston
Like what's going on there?
00:23:04
Peter Collins
Yeah, ah yes, is the short answer, right? Because Vegas doesn't try to predict the right answer. Vegas tries to predict an answer that will bring in money on the proper side of the bet, right? that We always have to remember that it's not a prediction. It's a business that they're trying to bring money in on a certain side. And you nailed it.
00:23:22
Peter Collins
what When you hear Chiefs, you think good franchise. Patrick Mahomes, you think winning. There it is. Done. They still have Travis Kelsey. Great. They're not understanding any context at all.
00:23:32
Peter Collins
Understanding Travis Kelsey's old as crap. that he's you know that The injury that Mahomes is coming off of. The fact that how poor they looked last year. right like Some people just have fantasy football mindsets and will spend money.
00:23:45
Peter Collins
That is something I would hit the under on. It's at 10.5, I think, right now. which is you know If it was 11.5, would be slamming the under. Yeah, under.
00:23:52
Savage Boston
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:23:54
Peter Collins
10 wins. yeah I could see them going 10 and 7 this year. That doesn't seem ridiculous at all. Although I could also see them having a good season too, which is I think when you sit down to put your actual money on it, you're like, am I really going to bet against Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs? That's tough.
00:24:10
Peter Collins
So I think they got a a one win total just for being the Chiefs. So yeah, it probably in reality, the prediction should be nine and a half, right?
00:24:18
Savage Boston
their Their schedule will be easier this year because they were a bad team last year. But again, just think people are like losing their vision here that like, like they were bad last year with, again, with healthy moments.
00:24:21
Peter Collins
Yep.
00:24:28
Savage Boston
Like they were a bad team. Watched a lot of their games. They played poorly. They couldn't score. Their weapons are poor. Meanwhile, their weapons didn't really improve that much on offense. Like they got Kenneth Walker is good running back, but like they didn't improve that much on offense. Their defense got worse.
00:24:44
Savage Boston
They lost like their top two cornerbacks, like Trent McDuffie. Like, you know i don't I just don't, and I think they lost like a linebacker. i'm not I'm trying to figure it out where people are coming from. And like you said, I think it's just the emotion and seeing Mahomes being back. Maybe there's some miracle that you Patrick Mahomes is 2019 Patrick Mahomes again. He throws 50 TDs. But like watching him the last three years, man, you go Google his stats. What are his stats the last three years? what kind type of i know pass rating is not everything, but it is a marker. Go look at his pass rating in last three seasons. What has he done? Because he's been like a league average quarterback for three straight years.
00:25:22
Savage Boston
And it's weird. Nobody's like talking about it just because the name, like I get it.
00:25:23
Peter Collins
Thank
00:25:26
Savage Boston
He was insanely elite for like his first three, four years of his career was historic. And then he he, settled into like starting to win championships with, I don't know, without without the high-powered offense.
00:25:38
Savage Boston
So, complete tangent. So, I don't know. i was just thinking about it other day. it was making me crazy how how high the win total was. I just don't – if I was more of a betting guy, maybe I'd take that under. You'd
00:25:49
Peter Collins
what What is the Patriots at? Patriots is very similar, right? Isn't it at 10 and a half?
00:25:52
Savage Boston
and and you have to Google it.
00:25:53
Peter Collins
Nine.
00:25:55
Savage Boston
See, for me, I would pro i think the Patriots schedule is going to really tough. Once so we get like the home away, you know like when does it take place?
00:26:02
Peter Collins
Right.
00:26:03
Savage Boston
Everyone does like the one-by-one-by-one thing when we all do our schedule podcast.
00:26:09
Peter Collins
ah Twitter just is just filled with them.
00:26:11
Savage Boston
All Twitter is just us guessing which place. That's a fun day when everyone's just guessing where everyone's playing. Yeah.
00:26:17
Peter Collins
Pats are at nine and a half. Bills are at 10 and a half. So we're not even the favorite to win the AFC East.
00:26:22
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:26:23
Peter Collins
I think we have the 12th best Superbowl to make the Superbowl odds. Like we're not in the top 10. We made the Superbowl. We're not in the top 10 to make the Superbowl and we're not supposed to win our division per sports books odds. Like how many Superbowl losers have come off and then had such a low projection, right? I know Superbowl losers tend to not do well the next year, but to have such low projections, I mean, I think that you're right about the schedule.
00:26:48
Peter Collins
i ah But I wonder if people are just reading into that playoff performance from the offense and going, oh man, they're going to be screwed next year.
00:26:56
Savage Boston
offense will play hell of a lot better than they showed up for in the playoffs. I promise that, you know, we all want, I mean, first of all, we all watched what the offensive line did in the playoffs. I, it's hard, like hard to believe how bad it was.
Offensive Line Challenges and Prospects
00:27:09
Savage Boston
I mean, truly like, the amount of sacks and pressures they gave up and Drake Bay, whether it's not feeling the pressure, whatever, like I couldn't believe watching that. The Superbowl was an atrocity.
00:27:20
Savage Boston
And like, we're all again, back to Will Campbell. We all hope Will Campbell is back to what he was pre-injury because obviously he could not fucking play. I mean, straight could not play. I've never, that's like hard to watch. I rewatched like the whole tape. It was awful.
00:27:36
Savage Boston
Many, many reps were awful. So
00:27:37
Peter Collins
Have you ever been calling for Vidarian low ever in your life besides that one game?
00:27:42
Savage Boston
couldn't believe i mean honestly like i'm still not ah upset's the wrong word i just think their logic was they had like a logical fallacy okay the logical fallacy was it's like they're like will campbell's healthy and then you watch him play you're like he's not right they're like something's wrong and it's like they had to have known that he couldn't
00:27:50
Peter Collins
Yeah. yeah
00:27:59
Peter Collins
He knew that. In retrospect, he knew it because he was telling everyone I wasn't healthy then.
00:28:03
Savage Boston
yeah
00:28:04
Peter Collins
So you have to think when the coaches came to him and said, well, you ready to suit up? He was like, and he's pretty banged up, but I'm ready to go coach. And then coach goes, all right, pretty banged up. I need to look into this more. And that's when they launched their investigation.
00:28:16
Peter Collins
You know, I was a pitcher in baseball and the got when my coach came out and said, can you keep going? I only said one thing. Yes, coach. Of course I can keep going. I didn't, my arm might've been hanging off my shoulder.
00:28:26
Peter Collins
I don't know, but I'm of course I'm going to tell my coach like, If if the player saying anything at all, the coach needs to look into it. And yeah, it would have been nice to see ah an adjustment you know midway through the third quarter or something like that.
00:28:33
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:28:37
Peter Collins
Just get throw some crap against the wall and see what sticks because of what's going on right now isn't working type of deal.
00:28:43
Savage Boston
I think that's the only place to me where Vrabel has a flaw and it's just like he just loves, he just like loves, loves, loves certain players and he just can't, he just couldn't sit him.
00:28:56
Savage Boston
know there something there where I think – I think like – because to me, i would have had Viderian Lowe in probably to start the game. If you knew he was hurt and couldn't anchor, it would have been the right decision.
00:29:07
Savage Boston
Like – really play him after two draw two series.
00:29:07
Peter Collins
But then Vidarian Lowe gets blown up and everyone's saying, and why didn't you start Will Campbell? So it's like, damned if you do, damned if you don't. you know it
00:29:15
Savage Boston
i don't Yeah.
00:29:16
Peter Collins
That's what I'm saying.
00:29:17
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:29:17
Peter Collins
The sample size was out there after about to at the halftime, third midway through the third quarter, you know eventually he's got to be like, try something else. This is it. This is like the end game today. like If we don't try everything, then we're going to regret it. and like that's ah That's the only regret I have, too, is that we didn't just try something else to see if it worked. and Then we could just go right back to Will after two series if it wasn't working with Vidarian Lowe for whatever reason. but Yeah, it was...
00:29:45
Peter Collins
I never wanted Vidarian Lowe to play for the Patriots more than in that Super Bowl, which I never thought I would say.
00:29:48
Savage Boston
Yeah. i Well, they don't really have like, um, they don't really have a swing tackle.
00:29:54
Peter Collins
Bryant?
00:29:54
Savage Boston
and like Yeah, Marcus Bryant, but is he really going go play and be there?
00:29:57
Peter Collins
That's it.
00:29:58
Savage Boston
i don't know if he's ready to be their true swing tackle like player. cause like How many games does Morgan Moses play this year? that's good over What's your over-under on that? That's a good over-under.
00:30:08
Peter Collins
and a half.
00:30:10
Savage Boston
Yeah, hopefully.
00:30:10
Peter Collins
yeah
00:30:11
Savage Boston
I don't know.
00:30:12
Peter Collins
he could He could go on IR for five five weeks or something, and it wouldn't surprise me, four or five weeks, you know kind of like what Campbell had at the end of the season. that Because he's just getting up there.
00:30:19
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:30:21
Peter Collins
and if Let's just say he plays the whole season healthy, which would be miraculous. You need to end up going to the draft to pick a tackle because you then need to address it in 2027. You need to have a starting right tackle, just assuming he retires. I know he has another year on his contract, but I just don't imagine he plays out that contract.
00:30:38
Savage Boston
starting to like mildly fall in love with um the idea of drafting offensive tackle in the first round.
00:30:45
Peter Collins
Yep. yep
00:30:46
Savage Boston
You know, first first to preface it, as we said today, Vrabel knows it's but best player. You know what mean? like Like that's the philosophy. You take the best player, period. It could be like like someone had a mock the other Matt Miller, NFL draft scout. He had a mock where the Patriots taken like Caleb Banks, D-tackle.
00:31:06
Savage Boston
And everyone would be like, oh, why are you taking a D tackle? But like, if someone like that falls to 31, who's an absolute moose, it could be like Chris Jones or something, an elite, elite D tackle.
00:31:17
Savage Boston
Maybe they take him, right? that's That's the philosophy. You got to take best player. There's caveats. You're not just going to take like a quarterback, but like, or a punter, but they want to have a philosophy where it's like he was highest on our board.
00:31:28
Peter Collins
Imagine the punter being the best player available at any point in time. He's our BPA.
00:31:34
Savage Boston
Stuck by our board. But like you do want them – like if Manuel McNeil Warren from Toledo is is top of their board and he drops. If Denzel Boston is top their board.
00:31:45
Savage Boston
if You know what i mean? Like if Max Iain-A-Core, however you say it, isn' it right a Iron Anchor.
00:31:50
Peter Collins
Ian Acre? i don't know how to say it either. I'm guessing. I like that better.
00:31:55
Savage Boston
I do too. Like if he's at the top of the board, right. You're like, I do. You want to take the guy at the top, you know, who ends up being there.
00:32:01
Peter Collins
Yep.
00:32:02
Savage Boston
So, um I mean, what are you looking at so far for first round? What are your feelings?
00:32:07
Peter Collins
Yeah, so there's three positions that I would really like them to target. So just to back it up quickly, I agree with you best player available, but how you determine who the best player is, sometimes part of that variable in that equation is what does your team have and not have a need, right? Like, When you're drafting the best wide receiver available, maybe you want a taller guy because we don't have one. you know When you're drafting the best player available, I don't think a D-tackle will ever be the best player available because you're going to saturate the D-tackle's grade because you have two great ones already. right So you might not rank Banks as high. um But there's three positions, edge, I think wide receiver, and then you mentioned it, tackle, offensive line.
00:32:48
Peter Collins
um are the three positions I would like to see targeted in that top 100. Now, if there's a run on deep on edges... don't go off, go off run is my take. You know, if there's a run on edges, go tackle or wide receiver. If there's a run on wide receiver and tackles, go edge, right? Just go where the market is trending in the other direction. So it basically, Diviz said this last night on on our pod, he said, you need to get a top five player in one of those three positions. Just determine which position allows you to pick within the top five of that position, which I think It's a brilliant way of thinking about it, right? Like that gives you 15 people out of 31 that you can get. And you just got to assume that the other teams ahead of you are picking other positions than just those three. So you're going to get one of those top 15 people on your board right there in those three positions, which I think would make sense.
00:33:34
Peter Collins
But I say that in another breath, I don't want the Patriots going into the draft trying to address a need through the draft. If they think they have a need at edge, they should be looking to address that before the draft. If they think they have ah a gaping hole at X receiver, they should be looking to either add trade or in their mind, have a plan for what they're going to do there. Same thing with future at tackle, right? That's the only other one. That's the one that doesn't need to make an impact this year, right? That's the only position that we could be more future planning, but edge. And wide receiver, like we still need to add to those positions to be successful
Defensive Strategy and Draft Needs
00:34:07
Peter Collins
this year. And if we're leaning on the draft, I'm a little bit worried about that. So I'd like the draft to be more pipeline focused and not, oh, crap, we have a need that we have to address. Let's try to get a first-year player to come in and make an impact. I mean, Woodson is an anomaly, right? You don't usually get that out a fourth-round safety pick. Yeah.
00:34:25
Savage Boston
Yeah,
00:34:25
Peter Collins
Will Campbell, you know, Wilson, ah Williams, Henderson, like those are top top picks that that you can expect to make a year one impact.
00:34:33
Peter Collins
So those three picks in the top 100, I would like to see at those positions just so that they can make that year one impact. But I agree, best player available. if If one of those positions is the third best player, you got to pick one of the two players above them.
00:34:46
Peter Collins
You got to keep thinking about building your roster.
00:34:50
Savage Boston
yeah I feel like I feel like like the edge role is borderline negligent. Like not maybe that's strong. Cause like, again, I just don't know what Harold Landry is giving you. I know he's working hard to come back, but like, I just don't know what he is next year.
00:35:09
Savage Boston
You know, is he just a specialist now? Is he going be a third down rusher? Like, that's it. Like you need like a three down, you need like a three down legit edge that can get a lot of time.
00:35:21
Savage Boston
and And again, i've real I've kind of went against a couple of these player types on here just briefly before, but like a lot of people mock a couple of players. One is like Cassius Howell. The other iss R. Mason Thomas to the Patriots at like edge.
00:35:33
Savage Boston
Both of those guys are like little guys.
00:35:36
Peter Collins
Hmm.
00:35:36
Savage Boston
I don't think it's like the end of the planet if they draft them. Like, don't get me wrong. They pick them. um ah Obviously, I'll go full Patriots, Bobo, and and support them, right? But like, Cassius Howell, elite around the edge, has only 30-inch arms. Again, it's incredibly short arms, like historically. Like, you tell me he's going to go against a 36-inch arm tackle and play a stout edge? It's borderline impossible.
00:36:01
Savage Boston
Like almost just the physics of it are impossible. So like versus TJ Parker, who maybe doesn't have the elite elite speed move yet, or Keldrick Falk, who's like a freak project, like six, six, two 90. These guys are, are moose.
00:36:16
Savage Boston
You know, this a, this is a big guy, full stout edge. And then can you develop a speed rush? Cause you're not this at 31, you're not going to get a perfect prospect. It doesn't happen at 31, especially in this draft. There's no, perfect. There's no Miles Garrett at 31.
00:36:33
Savage Boston
There's no, I can play an amazing, and there's no Max Crosby. You don't have guys who can play three down perfect edge and have a speed rush rolls. It's hard to do both unless you're taking a project like Malachi Lawrence, who everyone throws a name around.
00:36:41
Peter Collins
so
00:36:46
Savage Boston
And I like, I like the name. I think he's, he's, he's really good. And a he's pretty long arm, but he's six, four to 55. So he's like a tiny bit undersized weight wise, but like,
00:36:57
Savage Boston
elite athletic scores and you're like can someone like that you turn into a really awesome three down edge so i don't know i feel like um i like the pickup of uh draymond jones i inside outside i think he'll be an effective player i don't know what you're getting at a harold landry i just i don't know i don't i just it's such an important role in the football team now is generating pressure Even more so than like like, you know, off-ball linebacker, no one ever gives a shit about anymore. They like don't even get paid. You know what I mean? Like Devin Lloyd, the best off-ball linebacker in fucking like football, free agent, got 15 million only.
00:37:30
Savage Boston
Like they're not paying off-ball linebackers.
00:37:32
Peter Collins
He should have been a patriot.
00:37:34
Savage Boston
He's a beast, dude. He's a beast. Someone told me they were looking at him before the draft. I forget who the hell told me that. But someone like, I was like, dude, I don't think they're going to pay him, man. Like I don't, I just don't think they want to pay. They want to go draft an off-ball linebacker.
00:37:46
Peter Collins
Yeah.
00:37:46
Savage Boston
It's just a fast little guy. Go run around. You know what
00:37:49
Peter Collins
That fits the scheme of Rabel. I think Rabel trying to build his scheme. You saw him cut peppers, Duggar, you know, all these guys last year. just You're out if you're not on the scheme. You got Tavai out this year.
00:38:00
Peter Collins
You got Jennings out. You know, like more pushing out the people that don't fit the scheme and bringing in people that do fit the scheme.
00:38:07
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:38:07
Peter Collins
One of the things about his scheme is he doesn't rely off of pressure on the edge. like He gets a lot of his pressure from the interior of Milton Williams and Christian Barmore. They have tons of quick pressures. As a duo, they were one of the league's best de-tackle duos. Most teams don't rush like that. Most teams rush off the edge. right He rushes up the middle. so You could give up a little bit of pass rush or or develop a little bit of the pass rush on the edge because you can rely so heavily on those two guys' interior. You add on to that Draymond Jones, big dude. Like he's a big guy, right? Yeah. You go from chase on speed rusher who lines up out wide on the blind side and just puts blinders on and gets after the quarterback. That's not what Draymond Jones is going to be doing. He's much better at setting an edge. He's much, he's just a bigger guy. It's just, you can picture a bigger guy and as opposed to a smaller guy, what they're going to do on the football field. Um, so they have, and what did they do last year is they had Tonga in the middle of the 2d tackles, right? You know, nose tackle, tackles outside of them, and then had one edge.
00:39:11
Peter Collins
So you really only do have one edge on the defense. It's not like the defense has 2d tackles with two edges outside of them. Granted, sometimes they do. So, you know, that Harold Landry, you can't rely on all the time, but maybe you maybe Swinson takes a step up. Maybe you draft, maybe you're not done adding in free agency. Um,
00:39:29
Peter Collins
But you're right, the the edge is thin. Harold Landry coming off of surgery, Draymond Jones being this big dude, so not really like your prototypical pass rusher. Where does the pass rush come from the edge?
00:39:40
Peter Collins
it just it's I mean, I'm looking at the depth chart right now. Behind Draymond Jones Elijah Ponder. Okay, so maybe there's something there. And then behind um Harold Landry is Swinson. So if there's not even really depth there at the the edge. So I wouldn't be surprised if they even did a double dip.
00:39:57
Peter Collins
in the draft at edge and took a project later on, on top of an early pick because they need it. But that goes back to my previous philosophies. I don't want them addressing needs at the draft. I would like them to maybe add one more edge and then draft an edge and really have, you know, that's how you go into the season, but, um, they can.
00:40:13
Savage Boston
I mean, there's room to do that. Like you could literally go sign like Joey Bosa. Like, yeah you know what i mean?
00:40:19
Peter Collins
Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:20
Savage Boston
Like, I'm not saying do that. I'm just saying like they could do that. Like you could go sign another edge now with the money you have, if you feel like it. um I think they're going to end up just drafting guys and having to play a lot of them just like this past year, because just nothing's the roles just aren't filled.
00:40:33
Peter Collins
Yeah.
00:40:36
Savage Boston
can't have a full development team, waiting, laying away. Like you just still have a lot of needs. And like, last point tonight, but I'll, find this interesting. what do you think about just schematically?
00:40:47
Savage Boston
It feels like, you know, basketball went to like, we're talking about like when positionless basketball kind of thing right That's like a basketball thing that happened. I feel like football defenses, other than the like four down linemen, they're going like, it's like position.
00:41:00
Savage Boston
It's like linebackers are the safeties are the corners.
00:41:00
Peter Collins
Defender.
00:41:04
Savage Boston
Oh, you know, I'm being, I'm being facetious, but like, what I mean is everyone's like small and fast. Like, like again, gone are the days of Ted Johnson who weighed two 70 and was bowling downhill and couldn't run laterally.
00:41:19
Savage Boston
right? Like those days are gone. Everyone has to be running a four five, five, like at linebacker. So you can be shorter, like ah the kid Lewis from Pittsburgh or kid from Texas tech, or, and there's a bunch of fucking linebackers. ever It's all just off the top my head, but there's a bunch of linebackers who are, and they're all fast.
00:41:38
Savage Boston
There's no, like even Devin Lloyd to me probably just was, you know, he's elite.
00:41:42
Peter Collins
Hey.
00:41:42
Savage Boston
Maybe they didn't want Devin Lloyd. Maybe they're like, we rather just have a really fast guy that we think can, Just cover and be part of our scheme. He can blitz when he needs to. He can cover. You know what i mean? So, like, we don't need to allocate money there.
00:41:55
Savage Boston
Maybe that's where you you draft and and play. You know?
00:41:59
Peter Collins
Yeah, no, I want them to come out of this draft with at least two linebackers drafted, given their current state.
00:42:04
Savage Boston
like it.
00:42:05
Peter Collins
I mean, the next after Spillane, it's just thin. Christian Ellis, are we really relying on Christian Ellis, KJ Britt, and Marte Mapu? I mean, that can't be your linebacker in court going into next year.
00:42:16
Savage Boston
it's it's It's incredibly thin. I feel like it's going to be a fun a fun draft, hopefully. At least a lot of stuff to talk about, a lot of engagement.
00:42:25
Peter Collins
Yeah.
00:42:25
Savage Boston
always forget, what's what's the weakest part of the season? I think, thinking back last year, I think it was like June.
00:42:31
Peter Collins
Yeah, but then you have June 1, which is electric.
00:42:32
Savage Boston
then potentially be brown Other than Brown, if that it drops, but...
00:42:34
Peter Collins
Yeah.
00:42:37
Peter Collins
Yeah, it's right around there because it's because then training camp will start
Training Camp and Fan Engagement
00:42:40
Peter Collins
to kick up. and like you know yeah that Yeah, I would say June is probably the most boring. Yeah.
00:42:44
Savage Boston
Yeah, June, like, not much. hat Like, they're all, like, on vacation. Like, everyone's, like, yeah, OTA is in June. Everyone's vacation. And then it's, like, July really, like, ramps. And I'll i'll probably see you down at at training camp one of those days.
00:42:56
Peter Collins
Oh, I take like a week off of work for like one day at training camp and just go every day and bake in the sun on those bleachers and it's glorious.
00:43:03
Savage Boston
It's hot, dude.
00:43:04
Peter Collins
It is so hot.
00:43:04
Savage Boston
It's hot. Yeah.
00:43:05
Peter Collins
Like if you go to training camp for the first time this year, like bring one of those things that you can spray on yourself, all the sunblock in the world, water. Don't bring your camera pointed at the, at the, at the, at the field though.
00:43:16
Savage Boston
Oh, dude, they were so mad about cameras.
00:43:17
Peter Collins
they'll well
00:43:19
Savage Boston
I don't remember them being that angry about filming, but, like, they were calling – like, our our guy, Alex, Pat's pat's Red Zone, he he got, like, crushed by them.
00:43:21
Peter Collins
It was bad.
00:43:30
Savage Boston
all that they Like, he's trying to, like, be like, oh, this is cool, and we got some good footage. And, like, dude, they they were like – I think they, like, called him out one time publicly.
00:43:38
Peter Collins
They took his phone from him, physically took his phone from him and deleted the posts while he watched.
00:43:38
Savage Boston
They're like, hey, dude.
00:43:44
Peter Collins
And it was like, all right, I guess. But like that is the rule.
00:43:46
Savage Boston
that's
00:43:47
Peter Collins
They do make it very clear. You're not allowed to video record the field. It is like a little... It feels a little bittersweet though. Like I'm here to promote the team. I want to like show your content to the world and promote your brand for you.
00:44:01
Peter Collins
And they're like, no, because it could reveal our plays. It's like, we can all see what's happening here. if another team wanted this, they could get it.
00:44:06
Savage Boston
I don't,
00:44:08
Peter Collins
Like it's not, this knowledge isn't like, you know, in this like silo. What are we doing?
00:44:13
Savage Boston
I think to be honest, like maybe it's not even like for play reveal type thing. I think it's for like controlling content. You know what mean?
00:44:20
Peter Collins
Maybe. Maybe.
00:44:21
Savage Boston
It's like Patriots media can control like what gets out, who's playing well. If someone plays like shit, it's not out or whether it's a rook. You know what i mean? I think it's controlled.
00:44:30
Peter Collins
That's why I'm there with my notepad and I'm writing everything down and reporting everything else.
00:44:30
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:34
Peter Collins
No secrets here at Foxborough.
00:44:36
Savage Boston
yeah Yeah. All right. Well, we'll, we'll, we'll stop it now. We appreciate you guys tuning in and we'll, we'll catch you next week.
00:44:43
Peter Collins
Peace.
00:44:43
Savage Boston
okay