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S4 Episode 13: In conversation with Joshua Reynolds, the youngest Lib Dem MP.
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Today John and Dejan are joined by Joshua Reynolds, the Lib Dem MP for Maidenhead. Listen to them discuss everything from water reforms to youth involvement in politics.
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Introduction to Debatable Discussions Podcast
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Speaker
Hello and welcome back to another episode of the Debatable Discussions podcast. Today's
Guest Introduction: Joshua Reynolds
00:00:05
Speaker
a very special episode for us because we have Joshua Reynolds with us. Joshua, thank you for coming. ah Thank you for having me.
00:00:12
Speaker
So, yes, and I'm sure our listeners do know who you are. But if they don't, ah Joshua Reynolds is the current Member of Parliament for Maidenhead. And he's been that since the July 2024 election, where he actually um won the seat from the former Prime Minister, Theresa May.
00:00:28
Speaker
So it's great to be able to have you on the podcast today, Joshua. No, fantastic. It should should be really good conversation. So looking forward to My first question for you is, can you explain for our listeners just a bit of how you got into politics? What was your journey like?
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Speaker
Any highlights?
A Spark in Politics: Reynolds' Early Inspiration
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Speaker
Yeah, so I first was interested in politics from school. So a group of politicians came into my secondary school in Maidenhead to talk to us about politics. And they they spoke to us about things that young people weren't really interested in or bothered about.
00:01:02
Speaker
They spoke to us about potholes. They spoke to us about dog poo. And we tried to ask them questions and and they didn't really seem bothered about the questions that we asked. They weren't really interested. And i I said to my friends at the time that I thought I and we could do a better job than that. And that, you know what, if they're not going to represent us, we need somebody who wants to represent us instead.
00:01:24
Speaker
and And that was what really first got me interested in politics and involved in the world of politics. I joined my local Liberal Democrats. I started volunteering quite quickly, just delivering some leaflets on on the roads where I lived and around where I lived.
00:01:39
Speaker
And um that very quickly escalated then into standing for the council in Windsor, Maidenhead. Stood for council first time in 2019 at 20 years old. Very, very lucky to be on to the council then in 2019.
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Stood then in the general election in Maidenhead in that December of 2019 and came second. Then we took
Path to Parliament: Reynolds' Political Journey
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Speaker
control of the Council in Windsor Maidenhead in May 2023, and I became the cabinet member for Communities and Leisure within Windsor and Maidenhead, and then was honoured to be able to be elected as the Member of Parliament in July of last year. and So quite a quick journey into into politics, that and but it feels like it's been a long time.
Challenges for Young MPs in Parliament
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Speaker
And a key sort of perhaps something which um the way we sort of found out about you is that you're also the youngest Liberal Democrat MP. Have you faced any challenges being a younger MP? i mean, typically, I think when we think of MPs, Diane, we think of someone who's a lot older, frankly. Has there been any challenges being a younger MP?
00:02:39
Speaker
I think, to be honest, in in Parliament, in the House of Commons, you don't really see the difference for you being a young MP or an older MP. I think I'm quite lucky that there are large number of new members of Parliament. There's there's over 300 of us as newbies.
00:02:53
Speaker
And so we are all newbies together. And for me, that's been really important. So in Parliament, no, there isn't really that distinction between puruing young and old. It is more based on how long you've been in that building, what your tenure is like as a member of Parliament.
00:03:07
Speaker
In the constituency, we've been through various challenges. but There are always going to be people who don't think that I'm i'm old enough to be an MP. There's people that don't think I have the experience to be the member of parliament.
00:03:19
Speaker
but But my response back is always that I need to represent the entire of the population of Maidenhead. And
The Role of Representation and Policy Change
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Speaker
that's what my job is as the mp whether Whether I've been through that experience that people want to talk about or unhappy about, whether I have or haven't, actually, I can still represent them based on that because I can listen to their views. I can take on board what they've said.
00:03:40
Speaker
And then I can try and drive through policy change based on that. So for me, I think that there have been a few people that have questioned my age, but but on the whole, it's been a really positive positive experience.
00:03:52
Speaker
and And young people especially, i think, are really enthusiastic to see a younger MP. There are now 10 under 30s in Parliament. I would argue that's definitely not enough under 30s in Parliament, but it's so much better than we've been before.
00:04:07
Speaker
and And it's fantastic. mega I get to go into so schools as part of my job.
Engaging Youth: School Q&A Sessions
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i've I've been into 32 primary and secondary schools since the election in July last year, talking to young people, doing Q&A sessions with them from sick formers right the way down to infant school, just hearing what they've got to say and trying to get them enthusiastic about politics and about what we can do as politicians. So it's been fantastic.
00:04:34
Speaker
how What are some of the sort of big policies that the Lib Dems and other MPs have also done specifically for young people? So, don't know, thinking for under 20s maybe, for students, children, what are some big things you're focusing on?
00:04:51
Speaker
Well, I think it's about, first of all, I think the thing we need to do for young people need to listen to young people. And I think that's the most important thing. So often politicians tend to to go and tell young people what we're going to do for them.
00:05:03
Speaker
and That's the wrong thing to do when you haven't actually asked any of these young people what it is they care about So I I've i spent quite a lot of time in the last year talking to young people whether it's the the Windsor main head youth council Whether it's school councils or eco councils in schools about what do they want to see from from politics from politicians and and I've been surprised to be completely honest that the things that I hear from them is pretty much exactly the same as what I hear from everyone else in in the constituency It's the same kind of issues that impact young people as impact everyone else.
00:05:37
Speaker
so young people But I think young people just, and and students especially, talk about it in different ways. So when I talk to young people and they talk to me about how the town isn't quite what it used to be, there used to be a bowling alley in Maidenhead Town Centre and there isn't one now.
00:05:51
Speaker
Well, actually, that feels very similar conversation to when I talk to anyone else in Maidenhead about how the high street isn't what it used to be and how local services aren't quite what they used to be.
00:06:02
Speaker
When I talk to young people about schools and education, they have the same concerns as everyone else does. They just communicate them in different ways. So i I'm really a firm believer in the idea that I don't think there are there are young peoples but there are there are issues which are just for young people and just young people care about.
00:06:19
Speaker
And there issues that just the older generation, older people care about. Generally, there's a big overlap between the two. It's about how we listen to people, how we communicate that. with them
Leveraging Social Media for Political Engagement
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and how we talk to them and I'm i'm a big advocate for but going and speaking to people where they are um and that's either physically in in schools or in in youth centres or anywhere in the constituency or online and and TikTok is something that that I've been starting to use a lot more now I've i've just launched a new um series on social media called Josh on the Spots where actually anyone can pop a question in to me and you know what we'll record a video and answer it
00:06:57
Speaker
Because generally what we found is that the younger generation, they don't want to send an email to their MP. They don't want to pop into my constituency office or phone my team. They'll put a message on on Facebook or Twitter TikTok or Instagram and we can respond to them that way.
00:07:13
Speaker
and I think i mean that's quite refreshing, yeah to be honest. um It's a very different attitude to what lot other people i expect have. um But it's also very good news because every sort of electoral cycle, the same thing is brought up, which is, okay, young people don't go out to vote. There's a very low voter turnout. Well...
00:07:37
Speaker
I'm sorry to say it, but I'm not surprised because there's very few people actually listen and actually don't just start lecturing and say, OK, well, we're going to do this, this, this.
00:07:51
Speaker
It's a bit like, well, shouldn't this be a bit more conversational? Exactly. And I think that's where politics has got to go to, especially with with votes at 16 and 17 that the government are bringing in.
00:08:02
Speaker
I mean, people young people now who are 14, 15, were fourteen fifteen will be voting in the next general election and and even younger in in some cases. So it's about talking to young people and listening to them.
00:08:13
Speaker
and And I say quite a lot, it's talking with, not talking at. and And that for me is the way that you want to approach these conversations. you can't I don't think we can expect young people to come to us as politicians.
00:08:28
Speaker
We need to come to them as politicians. and And I think that's one of the things that we've tried to do as a team um um and myself as an MP, we've tried to do you look at what what ed's done with the liberal democrats more generally some of his stunts that he's been doing jump falling off paddle boards bungee jumping actually it attracts a much younger audience and and and yes some of those stunts you can say are a bit silly but it's what it's what attracts people in and then they listen and stay for the the politics side of things and i think that's one of the big things as politicians that quite often we take ourselves too seriously like
00:09:04
Speaker
We take ourselves too seriously as politicians and politicians trying to be serious all the time and and never be seen to be normal people having a bit of fun. And I think you've got to in politics because we're not in that same political world that we were 10 years ago.
00:09:21
Speaker
You mentioned there Sered Davies' sort of political stunts that I think sort of received quite a lot of engagement across social media.
Liberal Democrats vs. Reform Politics
00:09:31
Speaker
And actually, I remember in the July 2024 election, it was him and Farage, really, that were paving the way um across social media and really perhaps attracting the young voters. I think the Liberal Democrats have got, I mean, I know they've got quite a long large young audience.
00:09:48
Speaker
Thinking about this idea of reform and the Lib Dems both being similar, perhaps in that sort of idea of publicity, how have the Liberal Democrat Party been able to sort of fend off the rise of reform that has, you know, been quite a large threat to perhaps more right-wing parties like the Conservatives?
00:10:06
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Well, I think when you take a step back, people have just been let down by Labour and by the Conservatives, and people are looking for an alternative.
00:10:16
Speaker
And that's why you see in local election results in in May this year, that it was the Liberal Democrats and Reformers, the alternative parties that really stood up and and people voted for.
00:10:27
Speaker
We now control Liberal Democrats more town halls and county halls than the Conservatives do. and And it's really that that success story for us. But yeah, people have been let down by Labour and the Tories for too long.
00:10:38
Speaker
i Nigel Farage and reform, they don't offer real solutions to the big problems. Farage is more interested in stoking division and praising Donald Trump than he is solving the problems that we face in the UK.
00:10:50
Speaker
And yeah, it was the local elections that showed it was the Liberal Democrats, but the antidote to reform in in these areas of the country, we we staved off the rise of Farage and reform.
00:11:01
Speaker
by winning people's trust, by by fixing the issues that people care about. I mean, Kenny Badenock took a swipe at us recently, saying that all we do is fix church roofs. I'm more than happy to be ah be a church roof fixer, because that's community, that's what people want to see from their politicians, politicians that care locally in
Election Success and Stance Against Divisive Politics
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Speaker
the community. um And and um I think that it's the Lib Dems that are the only party really brave enough to to stand up to reform, taking on Farage's divisive politics,
00:11:31
Speaker
instead of just pandering to him and and holding reform to account, protecting our local services, which is so important. and And where you've got people like Farage that are idolising what Trump is doing to America, it's the Liberal Democrats that are standing up and saying that's the wrong thing to do, it's the wrong way round, that we should be taking the lead and and we should be doing things. So I'm really proud of the way that we've been able to stand up to reform and to Donald Trump over the last...
00:11:59
Speaker
last year in Westminster. i I think it's a shame the other parties, rather than doing the same, have followed suit.
00:12:09
Speaker
Yeah, I think you've mentioned also the vote being now, the voting age now being lower to 16. I've got a sort of two part question. The first part being, how do you think this will impact politics as a whole?
00:12:21
Speaker
And then the second part being, we've mentioned that the Liberal Democrats and reform have that sort of social media attention from the the younger generation.
00:12:33
Speaker
Do you think this move is probably and not a surprising one from government because it doesn't really seem to be favouring them? Well, I think there was some polling that I saw recently that said 16 and 17 year old voters were most likely to fall in in who they voted for pretty pretty much straight along the lines of the way that the public voted in the 2024 general election.
00:12:58
Speaker
So I don't think it's a young people vote this way and and other people vote another way. ah a Liberal Democrats been calling for votes at 16 for 20 years now. ah Common sense thing to do, common sense move.
00:13:11
Speaker
i i know that when I was 16 and 17, I wanted to be able to vote. I wanted a choice and in who ran our country and and where that happened. And talking to young people, they feel like politics doesn't impact them, doesn't affect them, and they're not listened to.
00:13:27
Speaker
Well, the best way that I think politicians will start listening to young people is by allowing them to vote. Because if it's young people that can get rid of politicians, politicians will start doing things for young people.
00:13:37
Speaker
and And for me, that's really important. So i ah there are lots of people who talk on a regular basis about being concerned about young people are right wing. i don't I don't think that's the case. and i don't think the polling shows that's the case.
00:13:50
Speaker
Young people from from people that I've been speaking to around the community, around the constituency, are fed up of being a feeling left behind, same as the rest of our communities, fed up of things not getting better, of being promised change and change never coming.
00:14:05
Speaker
ah that There's a that a story in the current Labour government for that. And they're looking for an alternative. And I very firmly believe it's the Liberal Democrats that provide that alternative and that that young people will be looking to to provide the solutions for for for us going forward.
00:14:25
Speaker
And to sort of draw on that, i was thinking, i agree with what you're saying there, but I still think that, unfortunately, yeah this ah enabling the voting age from 16 will help reform.
00:14:38
Speaker
Because as you alluded to earlier, obviously reform do sort of dominate social media. young people in our generation like social media. And I do think it's perhaps not that right young people are necessarily more right wing, but young people are on social media and it's people like Mr Farage on the right wing, who, you know, who is the largest politician there and he will, in his populist style, be ah able to attract so many votes.
00:15:05
Speaker
You've also mentioned the frustration that many people have towards Labour. Do you think that the Lib Dems will be able to to sustain the progress they've made? ah Or do you think it's sort of there the Lib Dems' popularity is a mere result of just Labour frustration?
00:15:23
Speaker
Or is it also their own policies in itself? I think on on your first point... yeah the job of politicians like me to take social media back from the populist right-wing reform party. yeah and And that's what my job is as a politician. That's what my job is as a young person. That's that's incumbent on all of us as politicians.
00:15:45
Speaker
That's incumbent on all of us as young people. It's our job to take social media platforms back from them. i I've come under some criticism from from individuals recently for not coming off Twitter.
00:15:56
Speaker
Now it's owned by Elon Musk. And ah my argument is, well, why would I? I'm not going to give over a social media platform because of who owns it, because it's because there are more people it that are right wing. Well, actually, that's just giving it over to them. And I refuse to do that. I'm not going to do that because it's mine as much as it is theirs, as much as it is yours.
00:16:15
Speaker
So it's for us to take social media back in that respect. and And the way we do that is by by being on it, by communicating our message, by listening and and by jumping on trends and from my account looking slightly stupid on TikTok every now and again.
00:16:31
Speaker
and And that's the way we've got to do it. um On Labour, I think what we saw in the last general election was obviously fantastic with the largest third party in parliament in 100 years.
00:16:43
Speaker
Now is this opportunity that we've got as Lib Dems to be able to show what we can do. And I think we've we've just looked back in the last year, we've we've had a year of this parliament. We've secured some massive successes in this parliament, not only on the national stage, but also locally.
00:16:59
Speaker
When you look at ah things that we've done in parliament, we've we've secured commitment from the government to change the law to protect survivors of domestic abuse and identifying domestic abuse, ah domestic abusers at sentencing so they can be excluded from early release schemes and things like that.
Parliamentary Achievements of the Liberal Democrats
00:17:16
Speaker
We've had the first ever House of Commons vote on electoral reform. That's been Lib Dem policy for so long now. We've managed to secure the first vote on that out like as the third largest party. We were the only party in our manifesto to talk about free school meals and the government have now committed about free school meals.
00:17:32
Speaker
We were the only party in the manifesto to say that we wanted to abolish Ofwat. Government have now announced they're going to abolish Ofwat and the Labour Party are claiming that it's fantastic victory. Labour didn't mention Ofwat once in their manifesto.
00:17:45
Speaker
We made it very clear we would get rid of Ofwat and replace them with a regulator that actually had some teeth. carer's allowance is a great example as well. Ed talks about the carer's allowance all the time, Ed's a carer, and actually seeing the the increase in earnings limit for carer's allowance is gonna help out tens of thousands of unpaid carers um as they juggle their their work and their caring responsibilities. So I think this is only the beginning for for what we're able to achieve in Parliament as the 72 MPs plus Jenny, the guide dog, as we can.
00:18:20
Speaker
we're going to do so much more and and people noticing that.
00:18:27
Speaker
I think an area you've advocated for is reform of water companies. yeah So can you explain how and why ah this area so important to you?
00:18:39
Speaker
Of course, I
Addressing Water Pollution: A Liberal Democrat Priority
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Speaker
mean, water companies what water companies are doing to our waterways is absolutely important. They are water companies, they're polluting our water with sewage. They are pumping raw sewage into our rivers, our lakes, our chalk streams.
00:18:55
Speaker
It is just unacceptable. And they're being allowed to get away with it. They're earning millions upon millions of pounds. They've been receiving millions of pounds worth of bonuses after so, after so so much time.
00:19:08
Speaker
It's just not good enough. It's not good enough. It's not acceptable. And I was really proud and still am really proud that It was the Liberal Democrats that really started talking about this issue to begin with and started bringing it to the attention of the public.
00:19:23
Speaker
So, yeah, we've we've been campaigning on this for a long time. And even when other parties were sneering at us in Parliament before I entered Parliament, when other parties were were sneering and laughing that we were talking about the sewage scandal, it was the Liberal Democrats that kept pushing through on that.
00:19:38
Speaker
And now we're starting to see some changes, getting rid of off-waff. fantastic policy from the Libdown manifesto that I'm really proud the government are implementing. The question is what do they now do and um will they replace off what with a regulator that's actually got some teeth can actually make a difference or will they just replace off what with a with another body that's unfit for purpose.
00:19:58
Speaker
We look at Thames Water and what Thames Water are getting away with with billions upon billions of pounds worth of debt. When Thames Water was privatized it had zero debt. It now has billions upon billions while shareholders have taken billions of profit and are still leaking millions of litres of water a day and pumping sewage into our rivers, and they're making us as as bill payers pay for that.
00:20:24
Speaker
They're not fit for purpose. They're not good enough. and and And that's why, as Liberal Democrats, we've been campaigning about this for so long, because it affects everybody in our society.
00:20:35
Speaker
It affects all of my constituents. It affects everyone's constituency across the country. It's a real issue. um And that's where that's where I know that I'm a Lib Dem because it's one of those things that we stand up for people and we shout about an issue and we don't stop shouting about this issue until we get the action that we need done on it.
00:20:55
Speaker
And we haven't yet seen all of that action taken. I think the government have still got a long way to go on it, but we will we all keep going. And you can see in the in the Water Commissioner report that's been done recently,
00:21:09
Speaker
um The government's announced that it's going to it's going to cut water pollution by 2030. twenty thirty Well, public set up of empty promises about 2030 or 2045 or whatever, and they never come.
00:21:24
Speaker
it's It's just exercises to kick the can down the road and to deal with it another day. And I just don't think it's good enough.
00:21:32
Speaker
ah Sort of following on from that, umm I'm wondering what what the sort of Lib Dem stance is on net zero, purely because net zero is something that's received a lot of coverage recently with Sakhir initially pursuing a policy for it.
00:21:46
Speaker
But then
Commitment to Net Zero and Renewable Energy
00:21:47
Speaker
I think it was Tony Blair who said it just wasn't economically feasible, as has people across the sort of political spectrum said. So what is the Lib Dem stance on net zero?
00:21:58
Speaker
Lib Dems have been really clear net zero is important for um the best way that we can generate power going forward and and to take away our our reliance on on fossil fuels is by tackling climate change, is by getting to net zero, is by energy efficiency, is by solar, is by wind turbines. That's the way we need to move forward.
00:22:24
Speaker
and And it's supported, again, by the majority of the public, regardless of what you might read in newspapers. It is supported by the public and it's supported by business. I sit on the business and trade select committee within parliament.
00:22:36
Speaker
And one of the top issues that people come and talk, other businesses come and talk to us about really clearly is business energy costs. It's one of the top issues for businesses. And energy costs generally are so high because our energy prices are linked to the price of gas. my i i'm My energy, my home electricity, I'm with Octopus Energy.
00:22:56
Speaker
It's all produced via renewable power sources. that is cheaper than the price of gas. Yet, because of the way the legislation is designed, the price of the electricity that I get charged is tied to that price of gas.
00:23:10
Speaker
And there's nothing that utility companies can do about it if they wanted to. So the failure to to invest in renewable energy and insulate our homes, it's led to the energy crisis.
00:23:22
Speaker
It's pushing up our bills for everybody and it's squeezing personal finances. 100% that renewable energy is is the is the future to get energy cheap, homes healthy,
00:23:37
Speaker
and and incentives to to get our homes to be those those warm places that we can. and And I think the Lib Dems have got a really good track record when it comes to the climate change. From our time in the coalition, we were running the Department for Energy Climate Change. and climate change We he pretty much quadrupled the amount of energy that was generated from renewable sources.
00:24:00
Speaker
And we made the UK a world leader when it came to offshore when it comes to offshore wind. Those kind of things are the history and the the legacy that we want to really start shouting about and things that we can do as a country.
00:24:13
Speaker
and And the public support that. with The public want to bring their energy bills down. The way we do that is by investing in clean, green, cheap energy.
00:24:27
Speaker
I think before we sort of come to an end, surely there's a couple more questions. But one of them is if you could sort of have three policies implemented like this, ah the Liberal Democrats, which one would they be?
00:24:39
Speaker
If you could just sort of snap your fingers and have three new policies implemented. Three
Key Policies: Health, Environment, Cost of Living
00:24:44
Speaker
things that we could implement as a Lib Dems that we would love. Well, obviously fixing our and NHS and social care. yeah It's got to be number one. we're We're the only party in Parliament that talk about social care and give it the prominence that it should have.
00:24:55
Speaker
We are in a social care crisis. It's got to be fixed. It's got to be sorted. So that would be, that has got to be the number one thing that we hear from people on a daily basis. We talk a lot about the environment and sewage scandal and our water companies, stopping our water companies from doing that. We've spoken about it already.
00:25:14
Speaker
it's It's so important for people. And the cost of living crisis. The cost living crisis is absolutely massive. People are being affected day in, day out by it. People are still having to deal with Liz Truss's mini budget and the knock on effects of that in their mortgages and an in interest rates.
00:25:30
Speaker
So those those three things are three things Liberal Democrats have been campaigning on for so long. But I say just choosing three policies that I could implement is incredibly challenging because there are obviously so many more that I would like to try and try and get sorted for the country.
00:25:46
Speaker
And amidst all the turmoil of UK politics that has, well, I mean, relentlessly sort of existed over the past few months and years, there's been a lot of sort of in the news and on social media about what who are the third party in the UK?
00:26:01
Speaker
Is it reform? Is it now the Tories or is it the Lib Dems? Where do the Lib Dems stand on that? do you Do the Lib Dems see themselves as the third party or perhaps now even the second party with um so much dissatisfaction towards the Labour and Tories?
00:26:17
Speaker
Well, I think let's let's look at where we are at the moment.
The Liberal Democrats as a Viable Political Force
00:26:20
Speaker
And the Lib Dems are overtaking the Conservatives with with the record-breaking wins that we've had because Lib Dems are those local champions for people.
00:26:29
Speaker
They know that we we listen to communities, we work hard to deliver for them, where we've received more more seats than both the Conservatives and Labour Party for the first time ever in the local elections in May.
00:26:43
Speaker
The record of the 72 MPs that we have, we have more councils than the Conservatives and more councils than Reform. We've got, I think we run 76 local councils at this point.
00:26:54
Speaker
um Ed is ed is the most trust the most popular party leader in the country, according to polling. more trusted on almost trusted on the NHS, on social care.
00:27:07
Speaker
and And unlike the other parties, the Lib Dems believe in Britain. we've We've got huge ambition for our country. And we really want to see our our stronger, more prosperous, more more liberal future that that's fair, that's open, where where we can balance things properly. and And we don't balance the books on the backs of individual people. So I think the future is only going to be bright for the Lib Dems, let's be completely honest. We are moving forward. We've had a fantastic win in the July 2024 general election.
00:27:37
Speaker
We've had a brilliant win in the May 2025 local elections, and we're looking forward to to the Welsh and Scottish elections in 26 alongside local elections that will happen, where you look at council by-elections recently.
00:27:51
Speaker
The only two parties that have been winning seats in council by-elections on the whole are the Liberal Democrats and Reform And it's the Liberal Democrats that are offering that alternative, that are offering the alternative to the Conservatives, offering the alternative to Labour, where people don't want that right-wing populist move.
00:28:06
Speaker
They want to see the Liberal Democrats stand up for their community and their society. And that's that's what we we've done for a long time and we'll continue to keep doing.
00:28:15
Speaker
Thank you, Joshua, very much. It's been ah fantastic episode. I think we've learned a lot, certainly our viewers have also learned lot things. So thank you for coming. No worries. Good to see you. Thank you.
00:28:27
Speaker
And it thank you very much. No worries. It's been really, really good. Really good speaking to you guys. ah I'll try to thank you. it was. Yeah. Yeah.