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TSP Ep 152: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish Joe Bob and the Last Drive-In
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In this episode, Tom and Steve watch one of the last episodes of The Last Drive-In with Joe Bob Briggs, featuring Rawhead Rex and Oddity. They discuss loss, change, and the finite existence of all things; in other words, they talk about the same shit!
So come along and join us at the last drive-in.
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Transcript
Childhood Memories and Awkward Questions
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All right, if that's good, then I'm good. Welcome, everyone, to Twin... Wait, what about our levels? All right, think we're good. Yeah, we're good. Okay, so, ah yeah, just go ahead and take it from the top. All right, um so when I was a kid,
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ah my brother Jake, who is seven years older than me, he Scratch from the top from the start. He brought home a ah A CD, Bloodhound Gang. The CD is called Hooray for Boobies. One of the tracks on there is called My Vagina or Vagina, something like that. And the song's about the band trying to find a way to rhyme the word vagina.
00:00:36
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So he calls his mom on the phone on one of the tracks and is like, Mom, what words rhyme with vagina? And she was like, Lima? No. Like, Lima Bean? And he's like, no. She's like, well, why don't you use a different word than vagina?
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And they go, like, box or pussy or cunt? And i remember thinking i was probably eight or nine. I didn't know what cunt was. So I walk into the house and asked my mom, what's a cunt?
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And she smacked me in the face. And that day... I knew what a cunt was because we were a show not tell kind of family. Here all day, ladies and gentlemen, all day.
Introduction to Twin Shadows Podcast
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Welcome to Twin Shadows Podcast, podcast about film filmmaking and filmmakers brought to you as always by the two greatest filmmakers who've never released anything named Tom and Steve.
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Speaker
um Hey, buddy. How you doing? I think that perfectly describes us, buddy. It's quite a perfect description there. ah But I'm doing good. Came over, had a sleepover at your place. Maybe yeah people can hear kids in the background crying. it's gonna they're they're You're going to hear the kids once they come inside. They're out jumping in the windy.
00:01:47
Speaker
Yeah. Unfortunately, poor Katie is watching them right now. I guess we kind of have to do this before they come inside on because they'll be quite crazy. it might be There might be a little bit of chaos, but I'm sure we'll be able figure it out. we'll We'll see. Maybe this is like when we whip out the devices, the evil devices. you know All children love devices.
Joe Bob Briggs' Witch's Night Special
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Oh, yeah. ah But this episode is all about ah one of the reasons that you came over, and not the only reason, but ah it was...
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One of the Joe Bob Briggs yeah last drive-in specials last night. Walpurgus Noct, which is Witch's Night. And we drank merrily and watched two somewhat witchy movies. I didn't really watch the second one. i got a little too fucked up and I couldn't make it through. So the two films were, ah the last one was Oddity, which I've seen. And then the other one was... Rawhead Rex. Rawhead Rex, which you've seen before. Yes.
00:02:42
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Okay, because I had never seen it or heard of it or anything. Yes. i It's one of those movies where it's ah kind of, I don't want to say it's so bad it's good, but the good parts, the high parts hit a little high. Yeah. like there's ah I guess we're okay spoiling Rawhead Rex a little bit. Yeah. um It's a little bit like a Godzilla movie in the sense that the movie is very exciting when Rawhead Rex is is on He is screen, yeah. Because he's just this giant muscle-bound demonic mask dude in a giant suit, rubber suit, and just, he murders everybody. Children.
00:03:20
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If you get in Rawhead Rex's way, he's gonna kill your ass. Yeah. um And so that was the first film, and yep, but we watched that, and it was a cool little show. um
Reflections on 'Rawhead Rex'
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I feel like you could kind of tell They knew already that the show was going to be canceled or that they know the show's canceled because it's like, I feel like it wasn't as enthusiastic as the events you normally are.
00:03:47
Speaker
Really? Yeah. Uh... Normally they do like skits and bits, and they didn't really do that last night. um No. It was just like, drink. Drink more.
00:03:58
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Are you done drinking? here Here's another. Yeah. Because, yeah, we were we had ah German beer, mead, and what we're about to take a shot of, Underberg. Underberg. Now, we were so Joe Bob said to have these three different things, right? Yes. That's important.
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Speaker
So we're going to have Underberg. And instead of mead, we're going to do whiskey. yeah Okay. Because fuck the mead. iidda was not a fan. And then the Underberg, for those who don't know, it's similar to Jägermeister. In fact, Joe Bob said that was the third option you could have if you couldn't find anything else.
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um So this is how it kind of tastes except nowhere near as sweet and way more herbal.
Influence of Joe Bob Briggs
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Speaker
Yes. it's It's a lot. I don't want to say spicy because it's not spicy in like the like jalapeno, like Scoville sense. Yeah, no. It's spicy in the like, oh, that ah cloves and all spice are spicy. Like a true spicy sense. Yeah.
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Speaker
So here's to Joe Bob. Witch's night. Witch's night and hanging out with family. Yeah. Cheers. Cheers.
00:05:15
Speaker
Oh, yeah. It's not so bad. And then like a second passes and you get the rest of it. I actually kind of really like it. It kind of grows on you, right?
00:05:27
Speaker
Yeah. i'm I'm not going to just like sit here and sip it like I would a whiskey. Like smelling a really bad fart. You know, you're like, ugh. But then it's like. I'm proud of that one. When you're young and you first start drinking and everything just has that like disgusting taste.
00:05:44
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When you're innocent. But as you get older and as you drink more. right It's like, okay, you can appreciate it a little bit. oof think that made my eyes watery.
00:05:55
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But that was the underbird. So we saw Rawhide, Rawhide, Rawhide? Rawhide Rex. Rawhide Rex. And that was by that was Clive Barker's first film, or written by Clive Barker.
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And I thought it was, i well, the the cool thing about watching Joe Bob, because this is like the second or third time i' watched it with you. yeah I think it's really like the second where I sat down and watched it. And, you know, while we were kind of hanging out, while I was watching the kids, but, you know, we were all kind of busy doing our own thing and just peeking in. But I was like, if it weren't for Joe Bob in this show, I never would have seen Rawhide Rex. It would have been one of those movies where you're like, Stephen, you really got check it out. It's awesome. It's fucking cool. Check it out. Watch it. I'm like, yeah, buddy, i' I'll check it out. yeah I'm going to put it on my list.
00:06:46
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you know And it goes on that list of films you're going to see someday. Yeah. and and my My list on that, I think, is like 300 films. Oh, yeah, yeah. actually have a written list. I mean, there's literally so many films, right? Mm-hmm.
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And ah
Analysis of 'Rawhead Rex'
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it was cool just sitting down because you know when you sit down and make an event of watching a film, you'll actually sit down and watch it, which is important, our attempt to.
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And then it was like, yeah, I never would have seen this film ever. And it was pretty fucking badass. like The actual story where Rawhide Rex is god, is God.
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Yeah. Right? He's a pagan god that was locked away. yeah He's like God before Jesus and rising up to... Lay waste to the land, you know? And it's like, what do you do in the presence of God? You just get murdered if that's what he wills.
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Yeah. Yeah. And then he like jerks off on a priest, I think, and like covers him in jizz or he pisses on him. I'm not really sure what it was. Yeah. It was something. He's a raw head. That's for sure. was a raw head. And I guess originally he was supposed to be a giant penis.
00:07:57
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Yeah. Yeah, I think that's what's implied in the book. I mean, draw ahead, but obviously it's kind of hard to do that with the film. Yeah, to get past that, right? With the censors. Yeah, I mean, there's a point, too, where it's like, well, maybe it would have been awesome if it was just like this dirty fucking dick. This giant dick just floating, murdering shooting come children. yeah he but he must have been jerking off on the priest, right? He's a fucking dick.
00:08:22
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Yeah. What else is he going to do? Cover him in piss? Well, I don't know. That's boring. It was awesome. And then the second film was Oddity. Yeah, which unfortunately, I'll have to probably do a rewatch when I'm a little less fucked up because I was i got so most of the story ah But I was like so sleeping in and out of it. And the problem, you know, it was so funny because you were like, oh it's pretty good. it's like a Twilight Zone up or ah ah not Twilight Zone. Tales from the Crypt. Tales from the Crypt episode.
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And I was like, I would be able to, it's you could like sleep through like half that movie and still know what's happening. Like that's how fucking long that film felt. Yeah. Because I was waking up and I was like, oh, wait. Oh, I kind of get what's happening. But I didn't actually really see The in-betweens. like I know it's about ah twin two twin sisters and one is murdered while watching House or something for her friend. Boyfriend lover that's cheating on her. For the husband. The ex-husband.
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The movie is like, if you know the premise and you read the synopsis, ah you know the film. You know, it's it's not a film of subversion. ah Like any Tales of the Crypt episode, you know, they're not really stories of subversion, but they're just really fun, well done.
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Yeah. um But the orientation they did of the films, I i mean, how do you follow Rawhide Rex, right? Or Rawhide Rex, like, that is not a movie I would ever want to follow, you know?
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that That's the movie that ends the night. Yes. You know?
Joe Bob's Hosting Style and Cultural Impact
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Yeah. Because the end of that movie, it's like the, it's crazy. the The entire village is like trying to kill Rawhead Rex. Yeah. He wipes out a trailer park or something. Yeah. yeah It's a trailer park ah that it, where his lands used to be cause he's territorial or whatever is what someone says at one point.
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And ah the family that's like staying in Ireland, ah their son gets murdered by Rawhead Rex and they're like pretty much trapped at the police station.
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And then they're like, we got to go fucking fight Rawhead Rex. We're the only ones that know how to stop him. And like the way to stop him is like this intricate level of like finding these gemstones and then forming them together. And then that will weaken Rawhead enough so that you can like smash him to death. Well, the funny part, well, and then there were some funny lines too, right? Like where the family wants to go out and then there's a cop. I don't know who said it, but them's like, well, fuck you too. It just kind of came out of nowhere.
00:10:57
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That movie was fucking awesome, dude. It was a great, it's a there are great event movies and then not great event movies. Oddity is not a great event movie. No, but Rawhead Rex is a great event movie. Yeah.
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Movies where it's like kind of encouraged to yell at the screen. Yeah, it's one of those. Yeah. And also, you don't need to pay attention that much. Yeah. yeah It's not like, well, how many stones do they have to figure out? It's like, who cares? That really doesn't matter. There's going to be a glowing orb. It's going to, they're going to have cheap lightning effects that are is going to shock Rawhead Rex while the father murders him for killing his son. And that's, and that's what how it's going to be.
00:11:35
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But yeah, that was the ah the event. Yeah. Well, so so how do you feel about, you know, seeing your Joe Bob? I thought the episode or the ending you showed me where he tells filmmakers, get out there, make a film.
00:11:49
Speaker
I thought that was the last episode, but I guess there's some more. So that was the last of the regular series run. And Shudder had ordered four specials.
AI's Role in Films and Ethical Implications
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Speaker
So there will be like a ah summer school episode that will be about like summer horror movies. But that's not going to until like a few months from now? Yeah. Yeah. So there won't be any Joe Bob until then. And then once these four specials are done, there's no more Joe Bob on Shudder.
00:12:15
Speaker
Not to say someone else might pick them up. Yeah, the hope is someone picks them up or they do their own thing or something. I really like event movie hosting things. what it was How do you feel? Oh, it's so fucking fun, dude. It was like, this would be great to not have the kids and just have a room full of people who enjoy watching this cut who enjoy this kind of shit just getting drunk.
00:12:38
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Yeah, just getting fucked. It's like, dude, don't go in there. Rawhead's in there. You know, shit like that. And it's like and everyone's like kind of like – it's almost like a competition. Like who can get the best little laugh or something too. like Yeah, man. It's it's just like – it's an event film. It's a party moment you know to just sit around this thing and watch it. And then there's – it's intercut between – going back to Joe, Bob, and Darcy sitting there talking about the film, the actors, the directors, the behind-the-scenes stuff. yeah It's also like when you go get more drinks. and
00:13:12
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Yeah. It's like, okay, you could you don't have to necessarily watch them. You can hear them while you're in the kitchen. You can get more meatballs or whatever the hell you were doing. Well, for me, too, like... The most interesting aspect to these films is the Joe Bob part because then he starts, you know, telling you the trivia of the film and like letting you into the insights of things. And it it's pretty interesting shit that they cover, you know?
00:13:36
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And then Darcy, I mean, I listened to her talk about movies all day and all night, man. Yeah. The cinephile. Oh, yes. Of the finest order.
00:13:47
Speaker
Absolutely. um And one thing... yeah trying to think of how to word this. I think it's easy to appreciate films more once you know more about how they're made. Oh, absolutely. um I always think about Clerks when that comes up.
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Because it's like, if you just watch Clerks, just just watch it. And i've I've probably said this on the show a thousand times. You've probably heard me say this a thousand times. But you just watch the movie. It's like, okay, it's this fun movie that looks like it was made by a guy and his friends. But then you learn the backstory. And it's like, dude, it's really a miracle that it got made. It's like, a miracle that i got watched that kevin smith is uh the filmmaker that he is today is right it's a the story of that or that origin story is is um just as amazing and fascinating as the film itself well also i would say for me uh would be evil dead yeah because i had first seen it you know because i was looking at like the must-see horror films and of course evil dead's on that list and i was like
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Speaker
Really? Is this my ceiling? Okay. i I could appreciate some aspects. You know, it is fun. But then getting more into filmmaking and also learning more about the Evil Dead and realize like, oh, dang, they did this like a bunch of kids who didn't know shit.
00:15:05
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They just did this with like whatever money they could get together to to put together a film. It was like, oh, yeah, this is way better than at that point. like Some of the shots they get is like, holy shit, that's awesome what you guys did.
00:15:18
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It's really inspiring because I think ah there's always that saying that I think most people hate and it's... um fuck what's there's like ah an actual saying for it but it's like when you're poor it's like it breeds innovation um fuck uh i'm already kind of fucked up sorry um but essentially like the less that you have and the more you have to like troubleshoot and innovate yeah like the more you have to like the way you'll come up with cool shots interesting shots that way um Because you just don't know. And also it's like you want to just try some crazy shit.
00:15:54
Speaker
Yeah. um And ah fuck. I don't know what the saying is. but I know what you're saying because we've talked about that many times. And you're going to listen back on this episode and like, God damn it, time It's the bubble blah, blah, blah, blah. It's blah, blah, blah, blah. It breeds the innovation, the necessity. um But yeah, man. I mean, it was it was really awesome. Yeah.
00:16:17
Speaker
To watch that and enjoy it. The last few of Joe Bob. <unk> It's sad. yeah i was wondering how you feel about it because it's like the end of an era in a sense. like it You watch this with your family. like like Once you get to a certain age, you realize, like oh shit, we do get old and die. And everything we love will get old and die and and everything's finite.
00:16:39
Speaker
well i mean When you're a kid, you don't see that. you know And being able to do this with your kids, you have no sense of... Yeah, Joe Bob's only on for a few more episodes and then it's gone. and Yeah, and it could be gone forever. And the thing is, that in this iteration, it is gone. It will never be like this again. Even if they continue with something else, it will be something different.
00:16:58
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Yeah. um And it's depressing because like i I just remember thinking like this whole year from like because, you know, we were we've been
Nostalgia and Life's Finite Nature
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working on the film i yesterday and today a little bit.
00:17:11
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Today? Motherfucker, we just looked at some clips. We on the film. We looked at it. Look, Stephen, original footage, graded footage. Original footage, graded footage. That looks pretty. We opened it. It's pretty, right?
00:17:26
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the Yeah, right. You're right. yeah But, you know, and it's like, I was thinking like last night was, you know, Witch's Night that Walpurgus knocked. And it's like, it's supposed to be this end of winter, start of spring, like this celebration. Oh, that's what that's supposed to kind of represent. Yeah. and um And I was just thinking like, damn, you know, this like, the start of this year was rough.
00:17:49
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Like, I just haven't had any motivation to really just do anything. Like, it was like, back in like probably like November, December, the burnout was real. Yeah. And then it just didn't like stop.
00:18:01
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I wouldn't even say November, December. I'd say like post, I mean, I'd say it's been for years, but like really was hard, maybe like June. And then it just got grapped more and more gradual.
00:18:14
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Oh, Penny, you gonna sit? Yeah. She's like, I can't sit down. Watch your cups. I can't sit down. Protect your glasses. um so I can't sit down.
00:18:28
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Yeah. And that's... We literally just started. Penny. No, no. Out.
00:18:41
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Penny. Okay. Well, at least that isn't broken. It's still working. Penny. Not un a doubt. All right.
00:18:55
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Kids, we're good. i just had to say something. So we paused for a second there while ah Penny destroyed the podcast setup that we have here.
00:19:08
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My mom, probably. dad. Oh.
00:19:14
Speaker
Well, I guess I shouldn't have paused. I think this is going to be as good as it gets. Hey, that's a great movie. All right.
Ethics of AI in Recreating Actors
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So um since I've completely lost track of where we were, I say we just kind of jump into some of the news topics that we had for this week. We're going to be talking about four things. It always ends up being more maybe, but we'll see. The first thing we're going to talk about, it's everyone's favorite topic on Twin Shadows Podcast, and that's going to be artificial intelligence. Val Kilmer.
00:19:47
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Is back from the dead. Kind of. I guess you can't say rip to him, huh? Yeah. This is... um Well, technically he's not the first.
00:20:00
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Because I think the first major use was... Was it that? Grand Moff Tarkin in Rebel 1. yeah Well, yeah. Because there was also the James Dean one, remember?
00:20:13
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There was. But I did i think Grand Moff Tarkin might have came. I mean, there's been others. Yeah, Rogue One was quite a while ago. An actual character. Yeah, and I think Rogue One is more of a deep fake. I don't know if there you want to say is there's a difference.
00:20:29
Speaker
It's not really. i mean i mean, it's using someone's image after they're dead, right? Yeah. But ah Val Kilmer, now you said, you told me that he had kind of worked on this a little bit before he died. Yeah, well, from what I understand, because I didn't, again, I didn't get a chance to really look at the notes, but from what I understand is he he was a he was a part of the film and then he got sick, but his desire and wish was to finish the film once he got better.
00:21:02
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So he wanted to do this film. He wanted to finish it. He just ended up dying before he could. I mean,
00:21:11
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maybe i'm not maybe I'm a little crazy here, but I feel like that goes against his wishes in some some sense. But I think, right, this is not going to be
00:21:25
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one-off. Yeah. Just careful with your drinks there, buddy, in that pillow. Yeah. um But we're going to be seeing this more and more, um especially as the technology gets better. And I think that's the the thing I wanted to talk about, too, is just kind of how good um things are getting.
00:21:49
Speaker
I think when we first talked about this on the podcast, I mean, it was probably even years ago that we first brought up AI. Yeah. Yeah. um It was in the stage where it was like, well, it's not there yet.
00:22:01
Speaker
Yeah. And it's probably still not quite there yet. But damn, it's closer than, it's a lot closer. Closer than it's ever been, right? Yeah. And it's, i did you watch the trailer?
00:22:15
Speaker
Yeah. it I couldn't tell. I was like, wait, what's the AI part? Well, that's the thing with AI versus... Other than the when he's young, which I'm guessing that's what it is. Yeah, well, I was gonna say, that's the thing between AI versus computer graphics is like, AI looks real.
00:22:33
Speaker
You know, whereas CGI, it just... I've never seen CGI that I ever felt looked real. I see
Storytelling Techniques in Films
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CGI where it's like, well, that's acceptable.
00:22:43
Speaker
Or I can... ah restrain my disbelief. You know, I can suspend the disbelief, but I've never really seen good CGI outside of, you know, maybe masking stuff. um You know, the background stuff that yeah you're not even paying attention to. Or it's like, the film is CG.
00:23:03
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Yeah. So it's like, when When they really push it, it always has that uncanny valley fake feel, but AI can make it look real. But I was noticing, because I think you're right, it is where he's younger.
00:23:17
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and There's just not the emotion there behind the acting. Well, to be fair, it's a teaser. That's true. I don't even think he has dialogue when he's young. Maybe he did. No, he did. He he said a few lines in the trailer. Because I remember watching and I was like, damn, that's actually pretty good. And it looks amazing. Yeah.
00:23:38
Speaker
For what it is. ah Because we we had talked about this a little bit, and I'm sure you're going to go home and watch this now since I told you it's good. But Hoppers. Oh, yeah. um We watched it with the family not that long ago, and there's some shots in that movie where I'm like, is this fucking live action?
00:23:53
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And I'm like looking at people, I'm like... is this real? And then it's like, no, this is animated. It's like, fuck, fucking shit. Really that good? Legitimately. Because I've seen some textures. Legitimately. I've seen textures where I'm like, okay, that texture looks real. You'll have to watch it. It it was kind of trippy. It was kind tripping me out. Maybe it was the ah the drugs.
00:24:13
Speaker
Oh, how many drugs were you on? All the drugs. know Most of the drugs. That could have helped. But, um
00:24:23
Speaker
Didn't they kind of have a, wasn't there a whole strike that kind of was revolved around this? I mean. Wasn't that, was the whole point was like, hey, you're not going to use us for CGI anymore? That was part of what SAG was ah fighting for, was companies not having, you know, access to their likeness afterwards, you know, when they sign like.
00:24:48
Speaker
oh contracts. That was a huge thing they were fighting for. Then is this just a case of the Val Kilmer estate? Well, yeah, the ah the estate gave them permission. The children gave permission for them to to use his likeness. And like they said, like... How shitty is that going to be? Yeah, but see, part of the justification was our dad wanted to finish this.
00:25:10
Speaker
But also, how much are they like kicking money under the table up to the kids? And then the the kids are like, well, Dad mentioned it that one time under state of duress. He wanted us to he may keep making money off his image and likeness. That's going to be a ah huge thing, right? Like, hey, you know, like $100,000, I can use a good old Marlon Brando in this film again. Yeah, and Marlon Brando's nine kids will be like, well, we each get like nine grand each, okay. Or maybe just one kid says yes.
00:25:39
Speaker
Yeah. i Well, I don't know how that works. I'm sure there's some kind of weird estate laws where someone has some kind of say. Power of attorney. not like, well, I get 10% of Marlon Brando's image and then you get 10%. It's like, we yeah you get the pinky toe. But that's the whole point, though, too, right? Is that it gets so icky um with how complicated it gets when someone's already dead and you're essentially making money off of them, you know?
00:26:03
Speaker
i want to flip this a little bit on its head and ask you, are you Is there any part of you that's excited to kind of see actors that have died in new roles? No.
00:26:15
Speaker
I have no desire because they're dead. it's I'm not seeing the actor. No, you're not. you're not but There's no computer version that's going to be good enough to where I'm like, okay, this compensates for this dead person. No.
00:26:27
Speaker
There's going to be no replacement for me personally. Okay. So you don't want to see like a Grace Kelly movie that came out in three years with Grace Kelly. Only if it was a long-lost Grace Kelly film that...
00:26:41
Speaker
they restored and maybe they used AI to like complete some of the frames. Sure. But yeah, no, I didn't have no interest to see them bring back, uh, uh,
00:26:55
Speaker
You know, like Marlon Brando, like I said, or Grace Kelly, or what is this, Rudolph Valentino. Yeah. You know, I don't care to see Douglas Fairbanks in Robin Hood 2, The Merriest of Men. Yeah. I've been...
00:27:12
Speaker
I guess I see your point, but part of me, it's like, i kind of, it would be exciting, I guess, if it was good enough. But you're right. There's... They're just never Yeah, they're dead. They're just dead.
00:27:24
Speaker
Yeah, that's fair. That's death, man. You know, like... It's just, it it is. Yeah. It is. I just want to see the crow finished. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I'll say with the crow, they did an amazing job using the body double as to replace him. I mean. Yeah, you never know. you know you don't know you don't You would never know. It's pretty damn seamless.
00:27:45
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But with AI, yeah. And then also it's like there's people alive now. There's stories to be told now. Like I was thinking we ah back to ah Rawhead Rex.
00:27:58
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That was such a convoluted, complicated story that never would be made today. Because it's talking about like, it's this God come back from the past and you got to get these crystals to annihilate. Like, it's just a story that would never see the light of day. It would be refined to a much finer piece, you know? Yeah. And so it's just awesome to go back and see that, oh yeah, films can have completely novel approaches in stories and still get that across like,
00:28:31
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You know, there was that whole 60s, 70s B-movie horror films where they just had some convoluted ass stories. And, you know, they gave you like a good 40 to hour long exposition and like 30 minutes of the monster in total within the film. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, yeah, we're just characters walking around like a crypt. Yeah, just talking. Back in, you know, a Spookies was one I think of.
00:28:58
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don't know if you've ever seen the film Spookies, but it's this movie. about, I think there are family or friends that like go into this house, and each person, as they die, it's like slowly resurrecting this dude's bride. Sounds cool. And there's like there's little there's like a demon for each person that they have to kind of overcome. Oh, okay.
00:29:19
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And it's it's a cool little movie, but it's also complete dog shit at the same time. it's it's All those movies are kind of like that. They're all kind of dog shit. There's, you know, like a...
00:29:30
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ah you send You suspend your disbelief, right? you You suspend your expectation of quality. Yeah. There's Tokyo Story, Yojimbo, and Spookies in Riot Rex. They are all films, but like but you know like one is one of these things is not like the other. But in defense of these, like if they nail it, like the story and kind of the buildup, it's really cool. Yeah.
00:29:55
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Rawhead Rex was a really interesting story. She's out. Yeah. There you go, buddy. Rawhead Rex was a really interesting story until you saw him appear on screen. Right. And then it was like a completely different film.
00:30:07
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Yeah. But, you know, like if they have an interesting backstory and world building to some of this stuff, like, yeah, that's that's great. That's awesome. But you don't get to see that anymore. Right. That's just, you don't, you don't world build like that anymore.
00:30:23
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You know, and
Creativity and Nostalgia in Film Narratives
00:30:24
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if you do it, it's seen as bad. Yeah. Well, it's because, well, the thing is, is is it true? I'm trying to think, because I was going to say films, ah everyone shits on exposition, but I was thinking like Marvel and all the movies are just full of exposition nowadays. Like a lot of movies are just like, they have to over explain the plot because people have no idea. Well, how do you get away from exposition if you want to tell something complicated?
00:30:49
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You have to have some. so you get it you You have exposition. It's yeah just how clever can you be in delivering it. Yeah, right. It's it's not that the exposition is bad. Exposition is great. Exposition is hard to be compelling and not just.
00:31:06
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Just two people talking and be like, so this is the story. yeah Back when I was 19, I went to the train station. And at that train station, there was a giant barrier that I couldn't cross. And I needed 98 cents. And you know it's the barrier because you can see the green gems. And those green gems, you can't cross unless you can pay for them. So you've got to be able to pay for them. you've got to go the forest to buy the credits to pay for it. you know like yeah you You do need to do it to some extent. Instead of just like someone throwing some gems at the you know on the train station. yes like yeah ah Well, maybe that...
00:31:37
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But that's exposition too, right? Yeah. You're just using a more efficient way of delivering it. Yeah. But also, maybe that doesn't fully express what's going on too. I think a movie that does exposition well is The Fifth Element.
00:31:51
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Because there's so much that movie has to kind of tell you. yeah But there's all this other weird shit happening while they're doing it. yeah I think of like when they're ah the doing the food packets and the priest is kind of explaining like, yeah, she's the fifth element, the open weapon against evil. And it's like, and she's just like, chicken. Like, she's got this like...
00:32:10
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Well, you know, some of the best films for Exposition are just your procedurals. Like, um but I've been watching The Pit as a team show, you know, and they're, the doctors, some of the doctors are asking some stupid-ass questions like, okay, this is so I know what they're talking about, so I know what's going on. Well, also, so the patients know what they're talking about. No, no, no, sometimes the doctors will be like, what, you want to do a bilateral laceration?
00:32:33
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Well, yes, because of blah, blah, blah, blah. They're like, oh, yeah, okay, yeah, that totally makes sense. Yeah. That's true. It's like, yeah, that's fair. And it's like, this doctor should actually know why this doctor's doing the kind of this obvious thing. Like, they should be aware of that. Yeah. They also get away with a little bit too because of the whole teaching hospital thing where it's always like, well, what are we doing in here, Santos? And it's like... that ah Exactly. That allows for us to to be the student.
00:33:01
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Yeah. But even Shin Godzilla, right? There's a whole procedural and... They're not exactly... They're kind of showing and telling both at the same time. Because to get into the bureaucracy and the levels of well layers it has to go through would be very... Yeah, but the Shin Godzilla is a satire on like ah the Japanese government, yeah which is...
00:33:25
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Essentially a series of meetings. But you kind of get an idea of like, okay, this is actually probably how it would go. And they would have these kind of me meetings, these kind people involved. That's what the whole satire is there. and so the x as an a But that's not even necessarily even exposition.
00:33:40
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that's just like But there's so much of them explaining what's going on. That's true. Yeah, that's true. But yeah, the pit's good. We're actually going to talk about the pit a little bit. So, AI...
00:33:53
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ai Steven says, go suck a dick. Well, are you going to check out this Val Kilmer film? Because I i will, because it would be nice to see him complete his last film. I'm not going watch it. it looked That trailer was like it looked like one of the worst movies I've ever seen, and I was like, i don't.
00:34:07
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Yeah, but I grew up to Val Kilmer, man. Yeah, but. That one hurt when he died. It's just like you said, he's dead. He's
YouTubers Transitioning to Filmmaking
00:34:13
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dead. yeah yeah I don't have to watch this deep as a grave movie, or as deep as the grave. I mean, maybe if it's good, it's a kind of like.
00:34:21
Speaker
And what a title, huh? Yeah, as deep as the grave. Yeah. Whatever. He's dead. um So next we're going to talk about. So first they came for the indie nerds. And this is what I was thinking like in the ninety s And then I said they came for the rock stars. But that doesn't really make a lot of sense. I was just trying to think of that, you know, and then they came for me, that kind of thing. Oh, yeah. But i I couldn't think of anyone else they came for. But now they're coming for the YouTubers.
00:34:49
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So youtube YouTube creators are being tapped to make feature films. Chris Duckman did... um I wish I wouldn't have done done a dumb joke. I don't remember what the name of the movie is. And I wrote Gay Pony Express in the notes. Shelby Oaks. Shelby Oaks. Oaks.
00:35:04
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a shallby oaks Uh, and then Iron Lung by Markiplier. Yeah. Uh, which have you seen Iron Lung? I haven't seen Iron Lung and I haven't seen Shelby Oaks, which probably would have been good for this time, uh, to talk about this. You could do a double feature.
00:35:18
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Well, and then also there's that back rooms and then that one looks pretty good. Cause they got some good actors for that. Yeah. They got some good actors. They got like a legit budget. And then the other one is a Irish YouTuber was asked to make, Oh yeah.
00:35:33
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Uh, the Bloodborne. He's doing Bloodborne? Yeah. Yeah, do you know anything about him? i don't know anything about the YouTuber. I've never seen any of his videos. Because Alex Garland's doing Elden Rings. Yeah.
00:35:47
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And I was just thinking, like, it their time? is it just because... or is it just because Film and original film are so shaky right now. Well, it's the era of video games.
00:36:02
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So that whole market is going to get tapped. I mean, we talked about this maybe a ah year or two ago that it's going to be video games. ah The first Mario was evidence of that. Once that hit a billion, it was like, yeah, video games is the market.
00:36:15
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Yeah. So that's a huge one. But good video game movies. Because you know we had like The Prince of Persia. There was that Assassin's Creed movie.
00:36:26
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There have been like these ah the the Tomb Raider that had um the chick from that. Oh, Vikander. Yeah, Alicia Vikander. Yeah. um That went nowhere, like right? those But that was like a couple years ago. I think that was those were like Marvel was still kind of like too big. Yeah. so Those were pre- ah Those were just too soon. Those were too soon. Yeah, those were pre-end game. Now we're in like this post-Marvel world where people are like kind of like like hungry for that. Not even people, it's the studios. The studios are like, what's the next IP to tap into?
00:36:58
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And then you had Mario and then you had Last of Us. Those two did very successful, and now it's like, game on. You know, and and video games really lend themselves quite naturally to movies. Not all. Like, Elden Rings is a very strange choice, in my opinion. Yeah. it's like That's going to be interesting. There's so many other games are so many other games you could do. Like, for instance, Last of Us was great. I don't know about Red Dead Redemption.
00:37:25
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ah But I know that's considered like one of the greatest video games ever made. So maybe you'd go down that alley. Never played those. Also, yeah. And then Fallout doing so well, too. I've watched. We watched it. we And it's it's okay. It's okay. I watched both seasons. Oh, you watched both seasons? Yeah. didn't finish the first season. I was kind of like, yeah, I'm kind of done. And then I actually just saw Arcane.
00:37:47
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Oh, the League Legends one? It has no right. i mean, if you've ever played League, I don't know if you've played it. I have, but I don't like League. I'm a Dota guy. I do not like League either. and it... I mean, i didn't know anything about any of this, like Dota versus League, whatever.
00:38:02
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But now I do a little bit more. And League, our our Arcane really has no right to be as good as it is. Okay. If you were to watch it, you'd be like, okay okay, yeah, you guys kind of fucking knocked it out the park. I think about, if you want to go back to the video games a little bit, Magic the Gathering is Dota, and League of Legends is like Hearthstone.
00:38:22
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just shallower you mean yugioh or pokemon well the thing is i i don't remember how to play pokemon or yugioh so i can't think of all i know is yugioh you do thousands worth of damage well all i know is in hearthstone it's like there's only trap cards there's only so many options it's not like magic where it's like oh well this these interactions could be like infinite 14 paragraphs of text yeah Yeah, right. And then you have to figure out how the stack's going to lay out. And then it's like you can you know interrupt the stack while things are happening and to make you know shit happen. Yeah.
Review of 'Shelby Oaks'
00:38:55
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it
00:38:56
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There's a lot going on there. But these YouTubers are being kind of like tapped to make movies. Some of them are being tapped to make IPs. Like the back Backrooms isn't an IP, but it's like this weird...
00:39:10
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thing Like even Luke knows about back rooms. He's like, oh, you're like. yeah no, I looked it up. It's actually pretty cool and interesting. I think you would dig it. It's kind of like a Slenderman-esque kind creepypasta type story. Yeah, and it's it's like a found footage set of YouTube videos. I watched want the first one.
00:39:29
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And I was like, okay, maybe I'll watch more, but I just never did. There's this guy on YouTube that I like watching, or Ryan Hollinger. He does movie reviews usually around horror, and I'm pretty sure he he covered them a while ago.
00:39:42
Speaker
And so that's how i kind of you know caught up to what it was. okay But you know I wonder if part of the reason why they're tapping into these YouTubers is you know you had Talk To Me, ah and then you had Iron Lung, which is a video game.
00:39:57
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Talk To Me. Isn't that what it's called? The Australian guys? Yeah. Yeah. Aren't they, weren't they YouTubers? Are they? I thought they were YouTubers before they did the movie.
00:40:08
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I have no idea. I'm sure. i mean, to extent, I'm thinking more With ghost hand. Yeah, but I'm thinking more along the lines, like, they aren't filmmaking YouTubers.
00:40:19
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Well, I don't know if those guys were either. I don't know either. But Markiplier is not a film, a you like, he makes review shows and game reviews. He has a TV show on Amazon. I really don't know anything really about him. This is probably a really bad topic for us because I'm like, Chris Duckman is like the one I kind of know. Well, see, my thing is like, one, studios don't know shit.
00:40:39
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So they just see this area and then they kind of just pray and spray, right? So I was thinking, well, maybe they're going- Can they pray and spray on us? Maybe they're going after YouTubers because it's like, well, that's popular right now.
00:40:53
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And then the YouTubers know the more obscure stuff like backrooms, bloodborne, iron lung. You know, maybe it's like, hey, maybe we can get these kind of YouTubers are in. They have their built-in market. Yeah, because Iron Lone is also technically a video game film. Yeah, and let's get them to do these weird, obscure things that we don't know about. But Shelby Oaks is its own original thing. but Did you watch it?
00:41:20
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Yeah. What did think of Shelby Oaks? I think Red Letter Media kind of captured it perfectly. And I've kind of been noticing this
Impact of YouTubers on Film Industry
00:41:26
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in general, where it's just a bit of misery porn. You know, suffering for the sake of suffering.
00:41:33
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And they ah Red Letter Media talk talk about this. And so I kind of went in knowing that. and it's like, yeah, there was some characters where it's like, why are you doing this to this character?
00:41:44
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Same thing with Arcane. It kind of had that like misery porn. It's like, okay, you you keep on hurting this person over and over. I know Terrifier was popular at one point. like cant But can we move on? Mm-hmm.
00:41:59
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So Terrifier is huge. Yeah, I know. But, you know, just kind of That's one thing I don't get. i just don't get the Terrifier hype. Just the element of beating the dead horse like with Shelby Oaks. It kind of did that. and ah And, you know, Chris Stuckman for as like PCS he tries to be.
00:42:18
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If you kind of read it between the lines, it kind of seems misogynistic possibly. And it's like, oh, maybe you have some latent misogyny actually brewing inside of you that you never addressed. that's absolutely... i mean, the thing is...
00:42:32
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All these people are still just normal people, right? like All these people are the narcissistic to some degree, right? I mean, look at us with our podcast. like To go in front, to be in front of a spotlight, to willingly put yourself front that spotlight. like there's a You're not quite but there's normal. There's this thing about like popular YouTube channels.
00:42:51
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ah Even like Red Letter Media is guilty of this, I think, as well as... They start to like play into their audience because they have to because it's their job.
00:43:03
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What do you mean by that? so and Can you expand upon that? so for like Let's say, for like look at Red Letter Media. Yeah. There's probably been, what, two half in the bags this year?
00:43:15
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And how many best of the worsts? Oh, yeah. And I love Half in the Bag. Because you know what? best People love Best of the Worst. They like the the silly, funny jokes and them sitting around the table talking about the shitty movies. not get it.
00:43:28
Speaker
And there's probably, i want to say there's probably been two Half in the Bags and maybe four Best the Worsts. In this year. Can I go on a tangent and you'll maintain your thought process?
Fan Films and Originality Challenges
00:43:38
Speaker
Yeah. No. Okay. You finish what you want to say. No, I'm good. I'm done.
00:43:42
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So, you know how you're talking about Joe Bob being like an event thing? Is that how maybe best of the worst is supposed to be viewed as like an event thing where... you kind You watch the movie.
00:43:53
Speaker
You sit down. You see what they select. Then you watch the movie. Then you go back. You kind of watch along, essentially. Maybe, but i've that be hard I don't think it's presented like that.
00:44:04
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Because there's some stuff you can't find. You wouldn't be able to Well, not only that. There's stuff you can't find, but... they also they only show you clips. It's not it's not like, because yova you watch the whole movie.
00:44:15
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Yeah, you're watching it with him, right? Yeah, it's not it's not like Mystery Science Theater where they're talking while the movie's on. No, the movie just plays and then there's something and then he cuts. It's like a commercial break. He interjects a little bit and then it goes back right into the movie. and the movies It's ah pure in the sense where it's just the movie is on and the movie plays. They don't even cut the credits, right? The whole credits play.
00:44:39
Speaker
In Joba? Yeah. Oh, okay. didn't really notice. Yeah. um But like half of the bag, right? It's like our best of the worst is like this cut down show where it's just, it's really just a review show of watching these people hang out and like make jokes about it. And don't get me wrong. ah It's a very unique kind of show, right?
00:45:01
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Because it's a review show of things you never want to be reviewed. Exactly. And that's what, and I don't even think, I think they even kind of got away from what it used to be where. It was like anything. Where, well, not only anything, but they used to actually just watch real movies on Best of the Worst. And now I feel like they don't really. liked when they watched real movies.
00:45:19
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Because then they started they incorporating some weird-ass movies. And i was like... I think they watched Rawhead Rex on Best of the Worst. That'd be awesome. um But yeah, and then there it then it just became... right But part part of the thing is like, YouTube is this different beast where you have to keep...
00:45:37
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the viewers, because this is your job. If your video hits like 10% of the viewership of your last video, you might actually just like be bankrupt. Like, I don't know, i mean unless you're like good saving your money and stuff.
00:45:49
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Um, But that's tough, right? You have to maintain this level. And and that's what the interesting interesting thing about these filmmakers becoming, these YouTubers becoming filmmakers, is that their embedded audiences might come along, which is maybe what the studios are like kind of hoping. It's like, okay, you have some following...
00:46:11
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we'llll let We'll give you money to make a film. You always wanted to be a filmmaker. You just made YouTube videos because that was your avenue. Well, especially like Mark Player. I mean, how many subscribers does he have on YouTube alone? He's probably in the millions.
00:46:25
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Oh, absolutely. probably got at least a million. I would say like 20 million would probably would be a guess. I have no idea. So then, it you know, how much is that translating over also, right? Like 20 million translates into, because Iron Lug was very successful, but it was not Hollywood successful.
00:46:44
Speaker
Yeah. It was independent, no budget successful. Yeah. you know And then it's like, well, how well did all those all his subscribers translate into people showing up to the movie theater and watch it?
00:46:57
Speaker
I don't know, but i I also know a lot of people who want to see this movie because it is Mark Plyer. yeah I mean, that's literally the only reason I'm going to watch Iron and Long. Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to watch it probably unless we have to talk about it again on the podcast. but I'm very curious to see it.
00:47:11
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Maybe Luke will watch it, and that's probably where my my entry into it would be. Well, I also think there is that market. There's going to be that YouTube person market where they're just giving this opportunity to YouTubers.
00:47:26
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Speaking of YouTubers, our friend Joe Greening and... friend I'm thinking it was only Joe.
00:47:36
Speaker
No, no. ah and The other thing. The Cowboy Bebop. Oh, Brandon. Brandon. so ah We just kind of wanted to highlight two things um some friends of the show have released um recently. and
Wokeness and Representation in Media
00:47:54
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Oh, I farted. I'm sorry.
00:47:59
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The Cryonicist. The Cryonisist teaser trailer dropped. Joe Greening dropped the trailer for his new film. um that Joe is the duo of Joe and Steve ah that did Hair Trigger. If you are... um I don't know Steve worked on this. No, no, he did not. But if you are you know a viewer of the show, Joe was the writer-director of Hair Trigger while Steve was the cinematographer.
00:48:25
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ah But Joe, he went on and he did his own... I think it's a feature. Yeah, it looks like a feature. It looks like a feature. I'm pretty sure it's a feature. He dropped the trailer, the teaser trailer for it, and it's called The Cryonist, about this woman trying to save her brother from some disease. The trailer, don't think names it, but yeah. Yeah, it's just essentially it seems like the brother dies.
00:48:50
Speaker
And she's going to like freeze him. And then bring him back. Yeah. And it looked great. It looks really good. I was like, holy shit. i was like, Tom, this is a legit movie. Like, this motherfucker made a movie.
00:49:05
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Yeah. If the teaser is, if the film is as good as the teaser, it will be absolutely phenomenal. The teaser was really good. Yeah, no, I was like, oh shit. was like, yeah, we know guy. We know what? We got to bring him back. We got to bring him back before he gets too big.
00:49:21
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um But yeah, I was really impressed by it. And then earlier today, Our friend Brandon was the gaffer on a project that did a live-action episode of Cowboy Bebop.
00:49:34
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I think it—I mean, we kind of couldn't hear it too well because of kids. Probably for the best. But it seemed like it was a prequel. He wasn't the audio guy, right? It seems like it was a prequel, right?
00:49:46
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I— yeah Did Spike-goo show up? No. It was—
00:49:56
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Be nice. ah ah um Yeah. No, we didn't even... yeah there was We didn't give it its we didn't give it a due diligence of viewing, so we can't... We were playing a little too much Abathor. We can't be too critical. We were playing Abathor while it was on. We should probably watch it and give it its full, deserved attention. Well, I plan to watch it again.
00:50:23
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Yeah. Yeah. From the little bits and pieces I saw, it looked competently made. But, you know, don't know. like i I kind of hate when people make fan films of things. I am not a fan of fan films. Yeah, like Star Wars fan films and shit like that. like I always point to Star Wars because there's a gazillion Star Wars fan films. Unless it's really like lo-fi.
00:50:51
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Like this is someone who just had a camera and they're like, hey, let's do this. And it turns out good. the And that from watching their from watching the episode, if they had just not had a cosplaying Faye it,
00:51:04
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It would have been like yeah a will better a little bit better. Because the problem is is when you start invoking the names of these things, theyre you're inviting comparison. Well, you also have to adhere to it, right? Yes. You've got to accurately portray character, set, world. you know there's some so There's certain standards you have to meet.
00:51:25
Speaker
Yeah. And I always say, if you're going to call reference to something, you better make it damn good because you don't want people to be thinking about something that's way better than what your product is. like You know how everyone always rips off The Shining and things? Or any Kubrick.
00:51:40
Speaker
Yeah. Right? He's probably one of the most referenced filmmakers of all time, other than Spielberg, maybe. So...
00:51:48
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so Right? If you you have ah a film and then you have ah ah an elevator or anything that just opens up, like a door that opens up and a bunch of blood flows out, and you start thinking about The Shining, you're like, you know what? I'd rather be watching The Shining than this. yeah And I think about, I was watching that. Yeah, that's the worst thing, right? Like, I'd rather be watching that movie than this. I was watching their thing and I was like, I would rather just watch Cowboy Bebop. I don't want to watch, like this, it just, nothing was like, it wasn't,
00:52:18
Speaker
Close enough to Cowboy Bebop to like really... it didn't capture that that feeling. Yeah. There were some cool things about it. Also, you need to be more creative. Because you're not going to be able to produce Cowboy Bebop on a low budget.
00:52:32
Speaker
So you got to be fucking creative. Like what if they did it in a garage and it's literally just Faye looking for a nut that she has to put on her ship so it can fly out? Yeah.
00:52:43
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You know, like a nut for the fuel line to seal properly. Just some stupid thing, you know, that's kind of low stripped down. And that that you can adhere, but also be unique enough that, yeah, Cowboy Bebop never did an episode like this.
00:52:58
Speaker
We're going to kind of show this in between. Although that that that you that you mentioned there is one of the best episodes of Breaking Bad. um And it's called the episode is called The Fly.
00:53:09
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And the whole episode is takes place in the meth lab where Walter and ah Jesse are just trying to find a fly.
00:53:20
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say See. And it's like there and like there he like creates all these devices to try and capture the fly because he's like, you don't get it at the fly lands in the meth it will be it will corrupt it won't be pure like won't be the shit right so they just they they lock down the whole lab and they don't leave that for the whole episode yeah and lot and it's like a mixed episode because all some people like it and some people hate that episode but I'm like it's such a perfect episode yeah I love contained things um well Cowboy Bebop the lobster episode yeah oh yeah the right the Ganymede lobster that's one of my favorite episodes of Cowboy Bebop is where it just completely takes place on the ship
00:53:58
Speaker
Yes. Damn, man. Cowboy Bebop's a good show. It's one of the it's one of the best shows ever. and it's you know i think Well, it's my favorite anime. Well, I think it's fair. i just i was just telling Katie about this the other day. I was like, well, I 100% objectively agree that Cowboy Bebop is better. I think I like Space Dandy more from that creator.
00:54:17
Speaker
Oh, really? Just because Space Dandy is like this fucking wild ride. It's on the plex, right? Yeah. I just got to have an edible and... Absolutely. Just blow through space dandy. Dude, check out Arcane. I think Katie would like Arcane a lot, too.
00:54:33
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and okay Jake would, too. So, you know, that's a shout out to ah Brandon Garman and Greening. Joe, yeah, making the dream happen and, you know, making some really good looking footage.
00:54:47
Speaker
Sure. You know? Yeah. You want to throw me a beer? Oh, wait, you have the baby. Yeah. Let me just get up. I think I can roll it to you. All right. So this is a little bit about. You want to try to roll it to you?
00:54:59
Speaker
No. So this is where we were going to talk about the pit a little bit and ah the Malcolm in the Middle revival. Okay.
00:55:11
Speaker
Everything is woke, right, buddy? Yeah. Yeah. And that's bad? Question mark? Everything is equally woke and not woke at the same time while also being evil and virtue signaling. Has this become our current state of public discourse over media? And is it the worst it's ever been?
00:55:33
Speaker
It is the worst it's ever been. because Because Agenda has completely infiltrated films... To a degree that ah just hurts it way too much.
00:55:51
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You know, ah what was it? What did I see? it was a voice actor who plays a blind... I think it's a blind Native American.
00:56:04
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And they had a non-blind Native person play it originally. And they're like, no, now we're going to cast a blind Native person to play this character. and Oh, no, it's Avatar.
00:56:18
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I guess when they do the grown-up versions. Oh, for Toph. Yeah, they're to have a blind person play Toph. It's like, why does that matter? Yeah, it's called acting. Why should it matter? You're pretending. That literally should not matter to any degree, especially for voice acting.
00:56:33
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It's already hard enough for voice actors. But then, of course, you know. A blind voice actor that can't read the script? It's like, what the fuck? Like,
00:56:44
Speaker
Like, that's so stupid. That's that's bad, you know? that That's not good. Oh, yeah. We were supposed to talk about the Avatar leak. Oh, well. That's okay. Well, we can we could come back to it. No, we're good. But, you know, it is good, like, to...
00:56:57
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It is good for all this woke stuff because we should see a change. you know I mean, it's pretty bad when you have what's-his-face doing Genghis Khan.
00:57:09
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John Wayne playing Genghis Khan. That's pushing a little bit. you know That's pushing a little bit. yeah ah Lawrence of Arabia, they had ah um Obi-Wan play an Arabian king. Yeah.
00:57:26
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Oh, really? Uh-huh. He did amazing. Alec Guinness? Yeah, Alec Guinness was amazing. But still, it's like, yeah and especially because you have Omar Sharif in it, and he's so good. I think he got the Oscar for it. He did. And it's like, so, you know, you can see where all Hollywood did these things where it's like, yes, it's nice to have to be woke on this bullshit.
00:57:50
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But then you have the studios and everyone else who are soulless and vapid latch onto this and then they just kind of strip what being woke is meant to be, right? Like being woke is a good thing.
00:58:04
Speaker
But in this climate, with its popularity, it's now come to be a negative, like a pejorative, you know? yeah because it's It's a bad, like, fake, shallow thing when it's initially not supposed to be that.
00:58:18
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No, it's supposed to help inclusion and talk about people and ah groups of people that don't necessarily have a voice. When someone's like, you see John Wayne as Genghis Khan?
00:58:30
Speaker
Why you on the moon? It's supposed to be critically on the moon that's right critical of that shit. Can't pay my doctor bills, but why are you on the moon?
00:58:41
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You know, it's supposed to be critical of that shit, but now you got... lyn And I hate to interrupt you, buddy, but I wanted... The reason why I wanted to talk about this a little bit is because my issue with this is is that it's like the same thing repeated over and over again. So I have three examples.
00:59:00
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Malcolm the Middle reboot. um Oh, fuck. Goddamn alcohol. You mentioned Malcolm in the Middle. Yeah. And you set it up the pit. The pit a little bit. But so the the thing, let me just just say and then maybe you'llll I'll remember.
00:59:18
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So whenever you see these ah reboots and boom people complain about wokeness, it's always like the same joke. Oh, King of the Hill was one of them. ah Fuck, what was the third one?
00:59:30
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Well, it has to do with People talking about, the joke is always the same. It's the older dad that doesn't remember what the right pronoun is. Oh, yeah.
00:59:40
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And it's like, well, what are you? Are you a he or a thee or a die or whatever? then It's like, I just can't remember anymore. And it's like, I'm so fucking tired of pronoun jokes. Yeah.
00:59:52
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And that's where I'm kind of against the wokeness. It's like, can you just have some fucking fun-y jokes? Like, let's try something new? But there is kind of some truth to it, because, man, being at the school.
01:00:04
Speaker
Oh, you're running into a lot of theys? Oh, yeah. was to say, you're with the young people way more than am. They ain't going to let no theys into construction. and And honestly, it's been an uptick of that.
01:00:15
Speaker
And not to say there's anything wrong with that or anything, but just... Like, you got to be a lot more careful because there's a lot people a lot of people who are realizing their true selves.
01:00:25
Speaker
And you got to be a lot more careful and respectful. And sometimes it's hard. Sometimes you just don't know. and like, literally, there's been times where I'm just like, I don't know how to address this situation. Now, for me, the default is always to say they.
01:00:40
Speaker
no one's really offended by that. So I'll just default to that. But I have some older people who
01:00:47
Speaker
They just don't get don't get it. And it's like, dude, be kind. They don't get it. And it hasn't been an issue. i think the younger generation, they they're like, yeah, grandpa really doesn't understand. Grandpa don't know.
01:01:02
Speaker
Yeah. And give him pass. Well, do you feel about a lot of new things like – every egg ah A lot of new things have like a non-binary character or something. No, I think that's beautiful. I think that's wonderful.
01:01:15
Speaker
The problem is is that it just rings hollow. the it It just feels like so so much of this left agenda is trying to hit these demographics. It's like, yeah, but if you're doing that, you're kind of taking away from – if the idea is equality, you can't take away from that. You can't put something on a pedestal.
01:01:35
Speaker
even though it's nice to be on a pedestal, you can't put it on his pedestal, right? That's the whole point. For instance, look at Digger. I'm really excited about that. You want to see Woke Equality give Inuratu a camera ah with Tom Cruise to make Digger, and I'm going to be so excited about that.
01:01:55
Speaker
And that hits all the... What is it about Digger that's so inclusive? Well, because he's Mexican. He's a Mexican filmmaker. Making a movie called Digger? Digger? But, you know, you think please you're giving a Mexican filmmaker a chance to make a film and it's people are saying a chance to make a film. He's a fucking Oscar winner. No, but but but but that's the whole criticism, right? Is back in the day that didn't happen. You know, it's taken a hundred years for like,
01:02:27
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are Yeah, it's taken like 90 years for Mexico to be recognized as a filmmaking place. Well, to be fair, there's only three that we recognize. Mexican filmmakers. No, quran get the toro but... but i need to read too But I'm saying for Mexican cinema to be recognized, you know, because because it was always the U.S. and then the Japanese had to fight for it. Italians, French, Europeans had to fight for it. You know, there there were groups who had to fight for it and it's expanded...
01:02:57
Speaker
You know, I mean, the Koreans, I think, really pushed it where it was like, oh, we can accept a foreign film as the film with, like, Parasite. Well, and also they have to make, like, the one of the best films ever made to be recognized. Exactly. Like, they have to... Children of Men is one of the best films ever made, and Koran, like...
01:03:17
Speaker
Yeah, and and right and that that's where the woke... That is Quran, right? that's where Yeah, and that's where woke is important, right? Because it's like, why do these filmmakers have to do so good to be recognized?
01:03:29
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Why does Inuratu have to be Inuratu to be recognized? But also at the same time, it's like woke is cool because... If we were like extremely prejudiced, we wouldn't have this amazing shit that might be coming out.
01:03:41
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And I mean, i only seen Birdman once, but I was marveled by Birdman that one I saw Birdman is so good, dude. Fucking Birdman is so good. I was i was absolutely like in awe watching that film.
01:03:54
Speaker
And that's when Woke is good, and that's that's when it's important. But you see just so many people stuck on making a buck who just... carve all of that out and try to hit these marks and make all of that hollow. Tokenism.
01:04:11
Speaker
Yeah. you know they call It's the spotlight that's the problem. Yeah. they Well, they just go for this tokenism because they don't understand what they're doing, what they're arguing for, why they're doing this. And what I mean by spotlight is not that we're spotlighting these creative, not that we're spotlighting the actors. It's that the spotlight is on the inclusivity itself.
01:04:32
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. It's like... Hey, I'm non-binary. Do I need to put a sign on? like great It's like they're wearing a sign. like in ah What's that? Die Hard 3.
01:04:44
Speaker
Just have a character. that you can have a character that's ah non-binary. But the the first thing they say isn't like, I'm non-binary or I'm autistic. It's like, that's one thing I hate. It's like, ah you know i the joke where it's like, you don't have to ah wait for a vegan. You don't know, you don't have to figure out who a vegan is. They'll tell you.
01:05:05
Speaker
That's how I kind of feel like autistic people are now. It's like, you don't got to wait. They're going to tell you that they're fucking autistic. And that's like, that's what with the pit when they're like, because ah it's Mel and her sister, the autistic girl, Mel King. Well, I feel like her sister's clearly... Well, they're both super autistic. And Mal is like. But at the same time, it's, at remember, in the first season, there's that same thing where she's like, well, autistic people like it when it's darker and quieter. i'm like, no, motherfucker, everybody likes it when it's darker and quieter. I like, I put my, it's like, turn the lights up and yell in my ear a little louder.
01:05:42
Speaker
i put my phone screen on dark mode all the time. And it's like, no, motherfucker. Like, well, maybe I'm just too autistic. I don't know. You actually might be just autistic. black Did you ever consider that? You know, I do like dark spaces that are quiet. It's like,
01:05:55
Speaker
I don't like when it gets too loud. But I'm just like, what the fuck? And then like, and that was like a thing in the show. Because when Robbie, not Robbie, when Langdon came back, right? Because he got his whole like, oh, you're stealing drugs. And I was like, okay. is And he came back and he was like, well. Oh, so you guys finished the first season? We finished the whole show.
01:06:16
Speaker
Oh, you saw season two? Yeah. Okay, me too. Yeah. um I just thought season two was a little bit weaker than season one because season two goes way too into the interpersonal dramas of the characters instead of just being kind of about... Well, I find that way more interesting, though.
01:06:33
Speaker
i I do and I don't, but because my issue is if they're going to stick to the one-day format...
Doctors' Working Hours and Safety Concerns
01:06:39
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Yeah, but the worst thing about Doctors is they think they're fucking saints, and they're trying to do these 12-hour shifts, and...
01:06:46
Speaker
Well, they're 15-hour shifts 15-hour shifts. And it's like you shouldn't be doing that. Working eight-hour shift. i don't want no fifteen I don't want no doctor on his 14th hour checking me out, okay?
01:06:56
Speaker
I want a doctor on their fourth hour. but it's okay now because he's going to turn the lights down and he's going to make quiet. He's going to go in that dark room, turn the lights down. It's okay. It's okay. Are you
Recognition Beyond Identity in Filmmaking
01:07:08
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okay?
01:07:08
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It's okay. I'll point this out with with the woke thing. As a minority, and I just hate fucking saying this, as a minority, if someone wants to recognize me as a Mexican filmmaker like for Dickhead and that's my end, I will take it. I will be recognized as that.
01:07:28
Speaker
But I don't want to be recognized as a Mexican director. i just like If someone's ever like, hey, you're a good Mexican director, I don't want anyone to say that. I want someone to say, hey, you're a good director. Yeah.
01:07:41
Speaker
Yeah. it That's it what I want ah it's the Just like I think women would want the same, right, Katie? Hey, you're a good woman cook. Nah, maybe I'm a just a good cook. Or, you know, hey, you're a good woman a filmmaker.
01:07:56
Speaker
Yeah. and Maybe I'm just a good it's that filmmaker. It's that description, right? Or that, ah I want to say, i want to say like it's ah the definition that bothers people when it's like, you're the first person who was born on a Sunday that, will you know, landed on the moon. It's like, but okay. Yeah. it's like I'm still just me, and can I just be recognized me? And I'm also the 90th person that landed on the moon. like It's like, okay it But it doesn't it ist you don't have to necessarily be like the first person that you know had his leg chopped off that ran a marathon. It's like, oh, you're the first person with one leg to run a marathon? It's like, but you didn't finish? like Good for you. like Yeah, it's... i it
01:08:35
Speaker
it It can be patronizing very quickly. Yes. You know, and and that's a very hard thing navigate of patronizing versus non-patronizing. And honestly, if you don't know how to navigate it, just don't fucking go near it.
01:08:47
Speaker
Yeah. And that's where the tokenism is, is because people try to go and try to touch on it. And it's like, you you don't give a shit about this. you don't know what you're talking about. Just leave it alone. You should have.
01:08:57
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Now it's patronizing and it's insulting. Yeah. It's like going back to the parasite thing. What's it's like, you don't have to make the greatest movie ever made to necessarily be recognized, but ah yeah sometimes you do.
01:09:09
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um oh absolutely. That's how you break through the glass ceiling, right? You literally have to be better than. Because no one – I don't think a lot of people are saying, well, like, well, Parasite's the best Korean cinema, blah, blah, blah. It's like, no, Parasite's just one of the best movies ever made. I didn't say – I never defined it further than that. It doesn't need it. But even still, I think people would say it's a great Korean film.
Inclusivity and Humor in Media
01:09:30
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yeah Yeah. So we can get into the main discussion. Whoa, whoa. How do you feel? I just want some new jokes. I think people are like, well, the pronoun jokes are safe. And I'm like, I don't want safe jokes. I want funny jokes. And I'm tired of the safe jokes.
01:09:44
Speaker
People need to write funny jokes. It's scary be funny, though, in this day and age, I think. It is. because So for like Malcolm in the Middle. Just because people are too so critical. The Malcolm in the Middle revival has ah one of their kids is non-binary.
01:09:59
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I can't remember what their name is.
01:10:05
Speaker
Not Jamie. Jamie's the second. Andy, Julie. ah Whatever. So and then, right, they have that joke. And then the same thing happens in King of the Hill. And there was another. it happens it happened three times. And I was like, three times is is three times too many for me to see the same joke.
01:10:24
Speaker
And it's like, I'm tired of like, it's an end. It's like, you know what? Which are you? Are you a they, a she is in or whatever? And it's like, God, just fucking kill me. It's like, i will give me some funny jokes that are interesting. Yeah. It's like like, which dick are you wearing today? You know, like something like that. hi I can't. Maybe that's not funny. I don't know.
01:10:42
Speaker
Oh, well. ah Yeah. Give me, just give me good jokes. Everyone's people. We can make fun of everybody. Do you think it's a bad thing overall or a good thing? I think it's a bad thing that I think protected classes ah for humor is bad.
01:10:58
Speaker
Everyone should be able to make make fun of everybody. Okay, but we're talking about in movies. so do you think Especially in movies. So do you think it's bad to be to be inclusive? No, it's good to be inclusive.
01:11:09
Speaker
And that means you're including jokes about everybody. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like Rawhead Rex. Remember when we were watching Rawhead Rex and we were like, there's no way he's going to kill that kid. And then he fucking kills the kid. It's like, thank God, Rawhead Rex. Thank you. Yeah.
01:11:24
Speaker
No one's safe. Yeah. Because most of the time it's like, well, they're not going to kill the cute little dog. And it's like, Rawhead Rex would rip that dog in half and eat and piss on him. mean, you saved the cat, right? He would annoy him. Well, you saved the cat. Only if you read the book.
01:11:37
Speaker
No, I didn't. I did. And it it was okay.
Challenges in Breaking into Filmmaking
01:11:42
Speaker
Okay, so main discussion, movie host events, keeping analog in a digital future. That's a big topic. All right.
01:11:51
Speaker
all right All right, here's our quote. You know what a real artist is? a real artist is like a peasant dirt farmer in Bulgaria. He gets up every morning, he works his butt off until he's too tired to work anymore, then he goes to bed, and he hopes he has enough energy left in him to harvest the dang crop.
01:12:11
Speaker
At harvest time, he gets drunk, wastes a few weeks, and then starts all over again. Joe Bob Briggs. um So, you know, we we can say that we're filmmakers or artists. Some might even call us um hack fraud charlatans who wasted hundreds of hours of our friends' time and goodwill.
01:12:30
Speaker
Some might say that. My question to you, buddy. How do you see ah filmmakers today, specifically those at our level, being We're trying to break in. We kind of talked about ah Brandon a little bit. you know And Joe Greening.
01:12:47
Speaker
um But like, I think the reason I asked this was because you can't just be a filmmaker anymore. That's not enough. You have to be a filmmaker and a YouTuber or you have to be a filmmaker and have a following or a filmmaker and, you know, like ah Justin Bieber's hairstylist or something. more Yeah.
01:13:09
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i mean
01:13:12
Speaker
I don't know. i just i still got that field of dreams. If you build it, they will come. And I just feel like if you're a good filmmaker, people are going to show up.
01:13:23
Speaker
Because, I mean, look at Joe. Yeah. if he i I watched Air Trigger. I've seen it twice. If he does this new film, if he kind of like nails it, he he might be in, man.
01:13:40
Speaker
But that's the thing. Might. Might. And my question to you is, when is good not good enough anymore? Because you can make a good film and it just never gets in front of the right people.
01:13:50
Speaker
Right? Well, you know, the episode's old, but we were talking about this with luck. It's just luck at that point. But... but we But you can't rely on
Luck and Networking in Film Industry
01:14:04
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luck. Literally, that's the whole point of luck is you don't rely on We said a good thing where it was like, you have to allow yourself to be lucky.
01:14:12
Speaker
You have to position yourself to be lucky. So in other words, you have to still do the best film you can so that hopefully luck will be on your side and your film will be seen.
01:14:22
Speaker
Is there too much hustle in today's filmmaking culture? I wouldn't know. I'm not in the industry. But yes, I wouldn't know. Do you think it's necessary have like a hut to to hustle? and Absolutely. You've got to fucking network. i don't i'm Not even just networking. i mean like working on if You did the hustle for a while. You were working on all other other people's projects. that's you guys doing lot That's part of the hustle and the networking, right? um yeah but i mean you were on you You've made whodun-dun-dun it.
01:14:53
Speaker
Your name is in those credits. When we watch that movie, your name will come up. Well, I'll say this. Everyone, go watch a YouTube or no, Amazon show called Red Sands by Michael Barrett.
01:15:07
Speaker
He did a season. And i don't know if he's blowing smoke up anyone's asses, but he's saying that it looks like it might be getting picked up by real money.
01:15:19
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Getting some real writers involved with some real money. Some real writers. some See, look at you. Hear yourself talking. Real writers? Are you saying the people that wrote Red Sands weren't real? Yes, because they're not professional.
01:15:31
Speaker
Okay. There's a difference between professional and hobbyists. Oh, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, we can't deny that. I'm just going to challenge you on what you say. So that's what I mean by real is just professional. So there might be some professional writers behind this project and producers who are backing this with some real money.
01:15:49
Speaker
To maybe take the concept and then revamp it into its own thing. Because Michael's like, I don't know if it's going to be a second season or what they're going to do with it, but they're interested in it. So maybe all they need is just the premise, you know?
01:16:03
Speaker
ah So what was the question? It's about hustling and in film culture. So you always got to do that hustle because you don't know where your opportunity is going to come from, right?
01:16:17
Speaker
You always got to be ready to to market yourself. And that's part of the industry. Like um we met Mario at the Temecula Film Festival. He don't know shit about us. We don't know shit about him.
01:16:29
Speaker
But he was right there telling us how good our film was and following up with it and suggesting how to refine it. yeah And, you know, I liked him. And it was like, well, you know, if you weren't doing such a hustle, maybe I'd want to work with you. Or, you know, if I could afford you, maybe I'd want to work with you. I feel like you're almost arguing against yourself here when you brought up Mario. Because I remember, maybe it was I was just drunk at the time, but I was just like, he hasn't done anything. like i don't But at the same time, I'm like, everyone is also on this fringe.
01:17:00
Speaker
I mean, fucking Doug. I don't know his filmography, but it it sounded like he was doing working on some real films. Yeah. I've looked at his IMDb and it's... ah but For Mario? Yeah.
01:17:12
Speaker
okay. And it's like, okay, you've been... you have credits on here, but ain't nothing I ever seen. Rawhead Rex ain't on here. But also there's layers, right? Or there's levels. But then i think, i like how many like Dougs are out there?
01:17:29
Speaker
ah Most of us are Dougs. To a next step. If we're lucky, I guess. I mean, he actually had an assistant who might also be his Asian massage therapist.
01:17:42
Speaker
Well, Doug got a good dude. He solved it. He figured it out. He pays ah he pays a girl $20 a week to rub his feet and answer his emails. he figured it out, man. Like, where's the criticism? i Like...
01:18:00
Speaker
yeah What, you think you're better than that? Because that guy, he got it. I've never been in a room with Tom Sizemore. either. But Doug has. He has. So there's that. he's been in a room with Marianne Borg.
01:18:13
Speaker
So there's that, man. So, ah you know, we're not... Is it weird to think that ah our ah six degrees of Kevin Bacon with Tom Sizemore is only three? No.
01:18:30
Speaker
I'll take it. We might as well know Tom Sizemore. He's dead. Might as well know Kevin Bacon then. Yeah. ah Tom Sizemore was probably in a movie with Kevin Bacon. All right. And then did you see the new Mario movie?
01:18:43
Speaker
Wait, what about The Hustle? You answer some of these questions, dude. Oh, yeah well yeah. Sorry. Um... My feeling is i kind of hate it. hate the idea it. think everyone hates hustling, right? And I think that's fair. um i mean part I mean, we're doing this podcast. It's like a hustle.
01:19:00
Speaker
It's side hustle. it's like ah It's a reason to get our names and identity out there. It's a hustle that we had to like work back to make it not a hustle.
01:19:11
Speaker
Right? Where it's like, well, this is us trying to educate and share our experience. So it's useful. Yeah. That way we don't feel like fucking disgusting dude well because we could be like well this time on twitch podcast we're talking about iron lug that's that's why at the end we can't say like and subscribe what to who exactly maybe we've earned our sincerity right yeah because most people would have just given up like four years ago but at the same time it's like years ago they would be like you know i could just spend time with
01:19:46
Speaker
my family. I could spend time with life. But back you know and to go back on that, and it's like there is that hustle. that whole That hustle culture is so ingrained in just modern reality. And that's kind of what would go back to the main topic, which talks about ah The modernization of analog and things like that. The modernization of analog? Yeah. What the fuck does that mean? It's that like if you're going to try and do things the old way in the new world, like you have to innovate in a different way. Nothing ever stays the same. It's like you can shoot on film. That doesn't necessarily make your film good.
01:20:25
Speaker
Oh, I see. Okay. Just because— just the sake of shooting a film is not necessarily a marketing point. Yeah. ah Just because— But it is. I mean, look at IMAX, right? Like, for major blockbusters, that's a marketing point. is We shot this on IMAX.
01:20:43
Speaker
For them. Not for us. Did you see they're making a new— ah What's the one with Don Johnson? The TV show Miami Vice. Yeah. With Austin Butler and Michael B. Jordan.
01:20:57
Speaker
just And it's one of the marketing elements it's shot on IMAX. It's meant to be seen on IMAX. Well, that's not necessarily the point. Yeah.
01:21:08
Speaker
I haven't seen anything on that. No, but I mean, to to your point of analog, right? Like to re and reinvent analog and doing something new. Well, what I mean, what I want to say, what what i
01:21:20
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Why I brought that up is because there's this feeling that you have to go back to go forward in the sense of in the terms of technology.
01:21:35
Speaker
Because no one's too excited about like, oh, this film had was shot on 12 iPhones going to like 28 years later.
01:21:46
Speaker
where they have and it was like because they tried to market that right like oh this shot this shot was done with 29 iphones and a big old ring and blah blah and it was like who gives a shit yeah how does it look but how does it feel that's what i care about and that's what i wanted that and that's why i asked you about the hustle because it's like i don't necessarily care that you're like a youtuber with 12 million subscribers did the movie you make suck Or was it good?
01:22:12
Speaker
Did Iron Lung suck? Or was Iron Lung good? Because if Iron Lung sucked, I don't give a shit if you got 12 million markipliers. Because I want with the fucking one good movie. I want to watch a good movie.
01:22:24
Speaker
Yeah, but 28 Laters was good. Yes, and I didn't care that it was shot on 900 iPhones at the same time in a ring that was,
Popularity vs. Quality in Films
01:22:33
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you know, like, you could see inside the dude's butthole. Like, I don't fucking care. But you got admit, you got to use every advantage you can. There's the hustle, right? But I don't like that. like But that's just it. But that's the fact of reality. It's like, it doesn't matter. It doesn't care.
01:22:47
Speaker
No one cares how you feel.
01:22:51
Speaker
It doesn't care. Like, you know, because I... ah To bring up a friend of the show, Josh Amparo. Amparo. No, it's something different, huh? He was like, Amparo.
01:23:05
Speaker
Well, you're the minority here, not me, you damn digger. shit. Oh, shit.
01:23:17
Speaker
That movie saved our lives. Saved this whole podcast, The Diggers. um were just We never our podcast The Diggers. Yeah, we dig ourselves out, man. ah Every day we'd be digging ah you know instead of hustling, which is what we should do.
01:23:33
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But it's like... Isn't it enough to be like a really good writer? and like You have an idea of cinematography. and right and that My whole point is... like And the whole reason I wanted to like talk about this main discussion is... like good Being good isn't good enough anymore. I think it is. No, it's not. That's the whole point. no I think it is. I just don't think people are being good enough. Because it goes even goes back to... like um the Oscars of this year, right? It's like, damn, man.
01:24:08
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There were some good movies that just didn't get touched. And not only that, it's like, but why were some movies, like, why are some movies just so much more acclaimed?
01:24:20
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is it And it has almost nothing to ever do with, like, the actual film itself. Yeah, like Sinners. Yeah. Because it sucked. No, it like it didn't suck. it No, Sinners doesn't suck, but Sinners isn't. It didn't deserve what it got. It's not an ah this like huge Oscar winning film. Yeah. But it did one win a bunch of Oscars. And like Michael B. Jordan is now a Best Actor Oscar winner yeah for Sinners.
01:24:46
Speaker
And you're like, what the fuck? I don't know if he saw. He's not even the fucking lead. Did you see Blue Moon? I didn't see Blue Moon yet, no. And Marty Supreme.
01:24:56
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But... Yeah. But also, you know, in respect to Sinners... Was it really that much worse than any of the other best pictures? Yes.
01:25:08
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What? Like, was there a best picture where like, this is so much better? Well, yeah I know you didn't like it, but I really liked Sentimental Value. and to No, Sinners was not that much worse than Sentimental Value, if you want to say that. think so. I'd rather watch Sinners a million times than Sentimental Value ever again.
01:25:29
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It's kind of like... a Like... La La Land versus Moonlight. No way. Hold on. Those are both really good. Hold on. I think La La Land was much better than Moonlight.
01:25:44
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Personally. o The music's a lot better in La La Land. No one ever shows pictures of Moonlight to this day. I still see pictures of La La Land appearing just randomly.
01:25:59
Speaker
That's because it's a more popular movie. Yeah, but that moonlight but that's a part of art is its popularity. you know There's something to pop. Okay, but... But hold on.
01:26:11
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But I wouldn't say... I'm not'm with you. I think La La Land is better than Moonlight. But but I do like Moonlight. i think it's a good movie. But hold on. I don't think Sinners was that much better or worse than anything...
01:26:24
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That I saw. Like, personally, I'm not a fan of Sinners because it's such a ripoff of From Dusk Till Dawn, which in my opinion is a much better movie, by a million miles. Yeah. It's not even close. And I find it offensive that Sinners gets recognized, but Dusk Till Dawn doesn't.
01:26:39
Speaker
But to say Sinners is like... Well, that's because Quintin's a rapist in that movie. Well, also, he got to suck Sama Hayek's toes. But... You know, to say Sinners is like that much worse than Hamnet or that much worse than Train Dreams, it's not that much worse.
01:26:59
Speaker
You know what I'm saying? It's not like that egregious. In all honesty, like Sinners is probably a 7. Sinners is probably like a 5.5. It's probably a 6.
01:27:12
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I think I give it a 6. Okay, fine. It's a 6. ah Train Dreams is probably like 6...
01:27:19
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Train Rating is probably like a 6.8.
01:27:22
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Hamnet's probably like a 6.5. No, Hamnet's... Hamnet... Sentimental Value's like a 5. Hold on, these are my ratings. Okay, your ratings. You're right. all alright ah What else? Give me another.
01:27:34
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I think Marty Supreme was the best film. Better than One Battle? Oh, yeah, that was there. Because One Battle's an 8. Yeah, probably it was probably better than One Battle.
01:27:46
Speaker
Marty Supreme? Yeah. No, I think Marty Supreme was probably better than One Battle. I thought Marty Supreme was worse than Good good Time. And i like good I think Good Time was a lot better than... Yeah, but Good Time didn't have good time was just too too small of a scope, you know?
01:28:06
Speaker
It was just too small of a film. It's true. And the other thing, maybe you're right, because I think the thing about Martin Supreme that makes it interesting and also makes it a hard film to think about as good is how frustrating the characters can make you and how much of a command it has over your emotional reaction. And you're just like, you want to spake him with that handle. Like, you. little shit but not only do you want to spank him with that paddle it's his girlfriend's kind of a fucking asshole uh yeah uh mr wonderful the shark tank guy is a huge fucking dick and to make that guy good like you're including neo realism into this shit where we're having non-actors do good to an extent i mean they can only go so far
01:28:51
Speaker
But yeah, a perfect example, right? You're happy when he gets paddled in front of everyone and just humiliated. like i was like, yeah, humiliate that little piece of shit. But then it also broke my heart when he sees his kid for the first time. you know And you see his like narcissism dissolve away for the first time.
01:29:11
Speaker
yeah like That was such a poignant moment. It was like, oh my gosh. You had these like two extremes for this character. like I hate him, and now I i love him.
01:29:21
Speaker
So to make me feel that way, come on. Well, the thing was... Some credit. How can you hate him? Because... Motherfucker just wanted to ping pong.
01:29:33
Speaker
believes... he believes in himself as much as he sells it to people. That's why was telling the kitty when we were talking about the movie. He's not a hustler in that respect, right? Because he believes in what he's marketing. He's conning himself as much as he's conning everybody else. He believes in the product.
01:29:50
Speaker
Yeah, because there's that line that gives it away when he's talking with Gwyneth Paltrow. And she's like, is there you know like what if you don't win? And he's like, that's not possible. You don't understand. like Everything I do is like going to happen. But a winner doesn't.
01:30:06
Speaker
But for a champion winner, that you can't you can't have that enter your mind. ah You don't just miss your Hellrider triggers. don't You don't miss them. You don't miss them. That's what separates you from the guy who won that Grand Prix. From Marty Supreme. That's what separates you from the guy who made it to day two.
01:30:25
Speaker
Oh, I didn't make it to day two. I was close. I was one game away and I would have won that game. Fuck. We'll never talk about that Star City's games. All right. No, it was a Grand Prix.
01:30:37
Speaker
It was Star City. It was Star City? I thought it was bigger than that. Star City games. Well, that was when Star City was huge, though. Yeah. When it mattered. Yeah, when you could make but real money. Yeah, I just remember sitting down and like just stomping through everybody and then I like just then i just like stopped playing well. I don't know. was weird. um Probably the...
01:30:57
Speaker
It got to you? There's a little bit of that, yeah. Yeah, I know it gets to me, man. When I'm doing well, my adrenaline's like, and I'm holding my cards like that, I'm just shaking and I get so embarrassed because I'm shaking so much from the adrenaline.
01:31:09
Speaker
Oh, dude, I remember that deck so well. It's like, okay. And then I'm like, I'm shaking from, my magic cards are shaking because my adrenaline. it it what do I do? Am I playing Magic? Oh yeah, i gotta tap this land! Dude, there are a few things I stopped playing the game. I couldn't imagine. I i think you played a you probably played competitively a little bit with Miracle.
01:31:30
Speaker
um ah Yeah, well, the Jund deck had bob Bonfire. Yeah, Bonfire. ne i do I just remember thinking like, okay, I got a Thunder Mile Hellkite in my hand. I just need one more mountain. If I draw a mountain, I just, this game's over so fast. we're go So fast. So fast the game will be over if I just draw a mountain. Okay, come on, come on. I got a, oh, that's a Hashdellet.
01:31:50
Speaker
And pass. Hashdellet passed.
01:31:57
Speaker
Oh, you, Thraktus, Thraktus. Okay. I'm still in it. I'm still it. I just need that one mountain though. If I still get that one mountain, it's turn 10 now. I just got to get one mountain. Better mind. Okay, come on, pee pee. You just sit here.
01:32:11
Speaker
Doing nothing. Come on. And then you lose. Yeah, story of my life. Yeah, dude. That was that was that ah that that block. um But and you see the new Mario movie?
01:32:23
Speaker
Yeah. I wrote like a little paragraph. I'm just going to read it and then we can you can just say whatever. It was a weird experience for me. i don't know if you noticed this, but it was hard for me not to kind of start counting the seconds till the next cut.
01:32:37
Speaker
I told Katie that every film this film has an average of of four seconds per scene. um That's a lot. And then I think both of us started just like counting, and she was like, that was six seconds. and it's like But the kids loved it.
01:32:51
Speaker
And it's like, is this kind of like kid crack? um Because we also watched the original Jumanji, which is not like that. It's like a normal film. like it It has scene. There's well-paced scenes, and it's not a cut every five seconds.
01:33:07
Speaker
And I was thinking like, does this have to do with where we are in media today?
Editing Styles and Attention Spans in Children's Films
01:33:14
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Has it always been this way, but not as predatory? is there like this, like our studio is actively trying to manipulate the brain of kids And then what do you think that means for the future of filmmaking? Like, is that something that you're going to think about when it comes to making movies? No, that's disgusting.
01:33:35
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ah And if I do think about that, I'll probably go against that inclination personally. Yeah. But I'll say this, and we can probably focus more on this, is are this area with the quick cutting.
01:33:49
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ah You know, I watch a lot of YouTube videos in the youtube where they break down YouTube algorithms and and what it... and how YouTube has changed over the years.
01:34:00
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And they were doing Mr. Beast. And so they were covering how Mr. Beast came into popularity, right? He said Logan Paul like a thousand times. He counted to a hundred thousand. That was a big one that made him famous.
01:34:14
Speaker
He counted to a hundred thousand. I think it took him 40 hours, a live stream of him just counting to a hundred thousand. Yeah. Wow. Anyways, they were talking about, though, now he's the biggest person on YouTube, right? yeah I've never come across a video of his, which is crazy. i know. I don't think I've ever i actually seen a Maester Beast video. I've seen him when I'm not logged into YouTube.
01:34:38
Speaker
He'll come up. But I've never seen him in my ecosystem whatsoever. Well, yeah, it's because it's like, well, here's Pan Piano wearing a slutty dress playing Final Fantasy VII. And I'm like, oh. Tifa in a bikini played played her theme song for five hours straight. Okay. watch. I watch. I watch. why I need five more hours. um But they were saying like how ah Mr. Beast kind of cracked YouTube because he figured out the algorithm essentially.
01:35:10
Speaker
And what they found was that if you look at the data, that people's attention spans went from like – five or six seconds, whatever, down to two seconds.
01:35:24
Speaker
And every after two seconds, people started to deviate from the content. And so then if you translate that into filmmaking, then every two seconds, you gotta kind of have a quick cut.
01:35:37
Speaker
And as it's changed over time, right, that's just audiences changing what they watch, like the TikTok era. They wanna see shorter, faster videos.
01:35:49
Speaker
And that's what Mario was just right. Quick cut, quick cut, quick quick cut. So that the audience is always engaged. um We talked about this before where ah Matt Damon and Ben Affleck were on Joe Rogan. And they talk about doing their film on Netflix. ah Which was that?
01:36:11
Speaker
Oh, not The Pit. It was called... That just came out. The Rip? Yes, The Rip. And they and he was
Influence of Streaming on Attention Spans
01:36:19
Speaker
they were saying like, yeah, Netflix said you got to do an action sequence every so often and you got to repeat the the plot every so often because people are getting not paying attention because they're on their phone.
01:36:33
Speaker
So you're literally fighting over people's attention spans while they're watching your movie on the and surfing the internet.
01:36:43
Speaker
And so, yeah, films are kind of following that because I know when Karen and I, we went to see it, um that was the girl's first movie. Like, we took Sophia. She was throwing a tantrum before she got in. it was like, baby, just listen to me. Just follow me. Trust me. You're going freaking love this thing that I'm going to show you. Just calm down. I'm trying to spoil you here, okay We just spent $100 to get you in this seat. I'm trying to take care of you. Because it's like $1,000 to get a fucking family into the movie theater. Yeah, I mean, we we literally spent like, I think that,
01:37:20
Speaker
That day was like $100 in total. Like $50 for the movies and then it was like another $50 to lunch and treats. Anyways, once I got her into the theater, she's just awestruck.
01:37:35
Speaker
You know, my my daughter was just awestruck watching the movie and it completely captivated her. It did not hold her attention. Yeah. But I know Karen and I were talking about and we were kind of complaining because when we were watching it was just like one thing after another, after another, after another. And there was one point where I just kind of tuned out for five minutes and I was like, where's Toad? What happened to Toad? It was it was when they went to Bowser's castle okay and Toad's still on the ship.
01:38:03
Speaker
And I was just like, what happened to fucking Toad? Where's he at? Shouldn't he be with like Mario, Luigi, and yeah Princess Peach? Why is Toad gone? Why is Yoshi there? and And it was just like one thing after another, after another, after another, after another. And that's just kind of how they have to make films. But it's just so disgusting because, you know, it feels like they're just trying to hit that that number that's going to equate to profit.
01:38:36
Speaker
As opposed to, hey, let's just make a good Mario Brother movie. I mean, the first one's way better than the second one, and that's not saying much. It's not, but you know what's interesting about it is how much do you think of it as the studio saying you have to be this fast versus the filmmakers? Or is there even a filmmaker this movie? was going to say, do you really think there's filmmakers a part of Mario? Does it feel like a filmmaker? Because I was thinking about it. Does it feel like a singular voice? Because one, I did not hate the second Mario Brothers movie. No, not at all.
01:39:09
Speaker
It's just this nostalgia-like. like bum rush of things to be thrown at you. It's constantly having like music and sound effects in the movie that you go and you go, I remember that.
01:39:22
Speaker
I remember this. I remember that. Oh, Fox? Fox is here? why is Fox here? are we doing the Smash Brothers thing? Like what's going on? I know it felt like Smash Brothers, right?
01:39:34
Speaker
And I was just thinking like, okay, that's cool. And then the movie's over and you're like, I don't remember the movie. I just watched.
01:39:45
Speaker
Because it you just blank out. It's crazy. It truly is crazy. No, you're fine. And I'm watching the movie and or after the film. it And, you know, Emma wants to watch it again and we throw it on.
Sensory Overload in Modern Movies
01:40:01
Speaker
And i'm like, I don't remember. Like, half of these scenes, I've already completely forgotten the movie, which is interesting because it almost feels deliberate in that sense because you it makes you want to watch it again because you don't remember anything because they're throwing... It's like sensory overload constantly.
01:40:19
Speaker
And it's weird because I feel like that's damaging to kids and their attention spans because... You shouldn't have to like absorb 90,000 new pictures every five seconds or whatever it is.
01:40:37
Speaker
You should just be able to like... I got the the original Jumanji. should just watch Jumanji. It's okay. It's like a normal movie. I don't know. I'm going pause while Steve is peeing because I need a drink. And I think we're done. Or closed.
01:40:50
Speaker
For what? I guess to wrap up this episode...
01:40:55
Speaker
I wanted to talk about more about what it meant, what it means to be analog in this new world, but I guess I could be for a different episode. Yeah. um Well, do you think, do you think it's, well, let me, let me wrap up with this final.
01:41:12
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That way I put in my little stamp on at the episode. So it's not all you. Do you think it's a gimmick?
01:41:20
Speaker
Yes.
01:41:23
Speaker
Wait, which part? Film. Just shoot it on film. Is that a gimmick? Yes. Really? i do think so. Interesting. um I think it doesn't matter what you shoot on.
01:41:39
Speaker
If you're telling good story.
Film vs. Digital Debate
01:41:41
Speaker
um we We just watched yesterday Rawhead Rex and Oddity, which you could very obviously Rawhead Rex was shot on film.
01:41:50
Speaker
yeah And very obviously Oddity was shot on digital. It looked pretty clean. um One is better than the other, but it doesn't disqualify you.
01:42:02
Speaker
i don't even know if that's true, honestly. I don't know of Oddities. Would you say Oddities better than ra Rawhead Rex? No. I think I prefer the look of Rawhead Rex.
01:42:14
Speaker
I had kind of brought this up a little bit when we were watching... oddity and a little bit when we were watching that Cowboy Bebop show episode. Yeah. And it's like everything is too post-processed.
01:42:28
Speaker
Just too clean? Too overproduced? Overproduced, but not only that, but it's just too, what I mean by post-processed is it's like- Too polished? Well, you can literally so make a square in this, a square, you could square out this little area and make it greener or brighter or darker. And every little minutiae can be addressed.
01:42:50
Speaker
And older films, they couldn't do that. So they just had to like really know how to light. Yeah. And they really had- Yeah, that's true, right? Like, if you don't light Rawhead Rex right, if you don't hit it with enough light, you just don't.
01:43:03
Speaker
You lose out on like thousands of dollars, right? Because of film stock. Yeah. And developing costs. And being on- so the actors on set and- Yeah, you're just screwed. Yeah, there's a lot of- there's a lot that goes into that.
01:43:17
Speaker
But- Oddity, right? Man, it's not... You hate Oddity. I didn't hate it. I didn't think you'd hate it that much. I didn't hate it. it's let me Let me get to what I was going say. it's It wasn't bad. It's not that it's bad.
01:43:31
Speaker
There's nothing wrong with it. It just doesn't look as good. So and in a sense, it's a gimmick because... I don't necessarily know or think that films that are shot on film today are better or worse.
01:43:47
Speaker
Yeah. It's just the end of the day. It's like, I want to watch something that's good, compelling, interesting story, well paced, good edits, good casting. Well, let's remove that. Like just the aspect of shooting on film versus digital. Like, is it a gimmick?
01:44:05
Speaker
don't even give shit about the story. Story's not here nor there. We're DPs focusing on what the director... We're DPs on figuring out what's going to create the most compelling image. It's a gimmick.
01:44:17
Speaker
Still. i think so. Damn, I don't feel that way. I don't know... Because, you know... we ah I just sent you that that little ah infograph that gets posted every year. Oh, the Arri Alexa and shit like that. yeah Arri Mini. And it's like, well, when you shoot on a really good camera with really good lighting, it looks pretty good.
01:44:41
Speaker
Yeah. No problems here. Yeah, it's pretty easy to maintain. But, right? Yeah. But when you shoot on, it's like, you know, the argument on film is like, ah there's like a depth to it, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, there is.
01:44:57
Speaker
And I'm like, well, yeah, that's true. But that's not the end all be all for a movie. um I think the thing with film and digital in our world today is discipline. Yeah. Yeah.
01:45:14
Speaker
you have to be disciplined to shoot on film. You can't just hit the ah that big red button and say, go for it. You got to make damn sure everything is ready, set up right.
01:45:30
Speaker
Because when you're done with all the film that you brought on set, you're done. There's nothing more to shoot. You can you can effectively shoot digital forever. As long as you... I mean, you don't even need any that much hard drive space. Hey, motherfucker, don't chew on the wire.
01:45:47
Speaker
You're going to kill yourself. Yeah, GG. Jesus Christ, Kat. Because really think about it. like How many... I'm trying to think of... um What was the, like, one battle with another, I think, was probably shot on film.
01:46:05
Speaker
But did it matter either way? No, but yes. Because, i mean, to be fair, I'm always going to lean more towards the film, the analog. Yeah. Because I think they just look better.
01:46:23
Speaker
It feels better. There is something about digital. ah I mean, because he even if they shot on film, but they post-processed all digitally, there's just something about it that feels...
01:46:35
Speaker
wrong. And I don't like And even for a dickhead, it's one of the things where I think about where I'm like, God, I don't want to over, I don't want to post-process this down to a degree where it feels phony. You're like inviting the uncanny valley. yeah Like that's what I was thinking when that cowboy bebop thing was on. was like, there's just like random, like purple lights everywhere and like just random accent lights and things like that. And it's like, like, where's all the, where's all this shit coming from? It's like being highlighted and amplified in post.
01:47:07
Speaker
And it's like, i don't I'm not a fan. Yeah, you are, because there's like Bava with the giallos, where they would have like accent lights that make no sense. But that is done in that camera.
01:47:18
Speaker
It's done in camera. Well, so was that... Was it? Yeah, it's done camera with an l LED. d Yeah, that's fair. the Because I love Bava and I love that shit that he does. yeah especially When I saw Blood and Black Lace, I remember distinctly because I did fall asleep, but I remember distinctly though they show like a long walkway with like plants overgrowing and everything and then there's just this random light shining down the walkway and it's just absolutely beautiful and there's just so much lighting that
01:47:51
Speaker
It's there for artistic reasons highlight. What is it that makes that so much better, though? I don't know if I can necessarily explain Yeah, know what it It's called film. No way. Film shot with tungsten lights where they're just putting on a gel filter instead of LED on digital.
01:48:11
Speaker
It just, LED on digital has a specific look and it's just not... Appealing to my eyes, sure. It's just not aesthetically pleasing. You know, i I don't think it's just a gimmick because I think of it like painting where you can paint on canvas and you can paint on wood.
01:48:28
Speaker
Does it matter? i don't know. You could say yes. You could say no. I don't know about painting. I don't know about painting well enough to say it does matter. But I've seen very beautiful paintings on canvas and I've seen very beautiful paintings on wood.
01:48:43
Speaker
and And the artist had specific reasons from one to the other. Usually in my, where I come from, ah usually the reason is ah money. Like it's just way cheaper to use a piece of wood to paint on than it was a canvas.
01:48:59
Speaker
Well, then how do you feel about something like 28 days later? I'm not talking about years or whatever. I'm talking about 28 days, which was shot on camcorder, dv mini DV or whatever.
01:49:11
Speaker
It's shot on tape. Yeah. I love it. I fucking love it. And in that respect, I think there are some respects where you do want to see it on film.
01:49:22
Speaker
Like if you see if you have something like that's real grounded and gritty, it's probably going to look better on film. If you want something super polished and clean, maybe like utopian, maybe digital will look better.
01:49:36
Speaker
you know I have seen a few digital films where it's like, yeah, I do like this. as a digital film, um ah High and Low by Spike Lee.
01:49:47
Speaker
Oh, Highest to Lowest? Highest to Lowest. For that opening segment, not the rest of the film, but for that opening segment, I did like what they were doing with the digital shots. Oh, you watched it, huh? Yeah.
01:49:59
Speaker
Yeah, I... We talked about it. We did? Yeah. I know we watch talked about it with Stephen Arapes because he had watched it. But I was like, I'm not going to watch it. watched High Low with Akira Kurosawa. I thought we were supposed to take time out to actually watch it.
01:50:13
Speaker
Highest to Lowest? Yeah. I don't think so. Okay. Well, I watched it like twice to get through it. um I was like, I'm not interested. like i saw the It's bad. i You saw the master work, and hi to hiha um High and Low is one of the best movies. It's even close. It's so good. It's not even close. I remember, because Quacky, I watched it with Katie, and I was like, I don't know. I don't know about this. i don't know about this.
01:50:36
Speaker
And then like 10 minutes in, i'm like, okay, I know. Yeah, it's do same thing. i was like, ugh, this is… And that happens every time with a great film. But, you know, I've seen Kurosawa films where like Dreams, one of his last films, it was like, eh.
01:50:51
Speaker
okay Well, I don't think anyone ever argues that Dreams is a masterpiece. But people argue that High and Low is a masterpiece. No, but what I'm saying is, you know, i' so you know and that's the thing about ah ah great film great films.
01:51:04
Speaker
You never really want to watch them because you're like, oh, God, dude. don't want to fucking sit through this. And then that you turn them on and you're like, well, maybe i do want to sit through Mad Bites Dog. Like two minutes in and you're like, okay, here. It's like, okay, I get it.
01:51:20
Speaker
i got That's how I feel about because i still know I've still never seen Lawrence of Arabia. Let let me put it this way. You've seen Breathless. You don't like Breathless. I am on the fence with Breathless. um but i I appreciate Breathless a whole lot more. was going to say, I really appreciate Breathless.
01:51:36
Speaker
um I cannot imagine Breathless being shot on a Blackmagic pocket cinema camera. Even though it easily could be. and Oh, absolutely. There are people are trying to make Breathless today on that kind of shit. But seeing Breathless on kind of it's just that lo-fi, we're going to run and gun, and coming up with the movie, like, film, I think, lean leads leans itself towards that kind, like, aesthetically. Yeah.
01:52:04
Speaker
ah But also, in general, like if I can get away with doing something to film, I would much rather do something in film. but just it For me, from what I see, it has an aesthetic that I find very beautiful.
01:52:17
Speaker
Yeah, but to go back to the whole gimmick aspect of it, to me... You don't have to shoot a movie on film for it to be good or bad or either anything. But then you can strip down a movie completely, right? Because there was that one film. I don't know what it's called, but they didn't build sets, but they have like this black room and they kind of outline the houses and props.
01:52:41
Speaker
And it's just the actors in this black void with outlines of what the set is supposed to be. And it's supposed to be an amazing film. I mean, I'm sure. but and You know, and and you can like you can strip away everything to, like, well, it has to be a good story. Just walk around with a pot.
01:53:01
Speaker
As long as doesn't hit me with that pot. um No, you're right. and Like, a good script can be a good script without, you know, any visual imagery behind the script. It doesn't mean it's even going to be a good movie, though, at that point. Yeah, like The Closer.
01:53:19
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Never going to be good, but it was always kind I did i worked on that for days, so... oh See, he worked on it for days, and it's still not good. not um I did the closer, then I did ah My Bad. Well, which one was better? And you don't have to be honest. No, you had a lot of issues, because there was like a bunch of going back and forth between the cult, and was like, nah, dude, get rid that shit.
01:53:45
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I like cults. No, but I mean, like, he's there, then he's back, then he's back at the mall again, then he's gone from the mall, then he's back at the mall. It's like, nah, we're only at the mall once or twice.
01:53:57
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and You think? This place is dead after that. but yeah Probably just once you get away with it. Really? Yeah. There's no going back and forth. I feel like the it's important because every... every ah It's more about failing, but whatever. um We'll talk about that when we get to the script. Yeah. Because I don't even have the notes in front of me to yeah properly critique.
01:54:23
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Yeah, but hey, man, there's a bunch of acid and someone dips their hand in a fry basket. yeah Yeah, they do. That's cool, right? um that's why What am i talking about? Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, like in conclusion, or to wrap up on but that thought,
01:54:44
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I don't want, and I think we've talked about this before, but it's like, Gear and your equipment don't matter that much. It matters a little bit.
01:54:56
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And it's important to know how to use your shit. yeah But like if if you just can't get to if you just can't get a digital camera or ah a film camera, that doesn't mean you can't make your film.
01:55:10
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if you can't If you only have your iPhone or your Android, or if you just have your phone, nick that doesn't mean you can't use it as your camera. the But damn, dude, just write good.
01:55:22
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Yeah. Write good and have purpose and intention. That's all I really will say. And just because Mario made a gazillion dollars and is you know has a cut every four seconds doesn't mean that that's a good thing.
01:55:40
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I guess that yeah that's my conclusion. It doesn't mean it's a good thing that Mario 2 made a billion dollars. That's not a good thing. That's not necessarily a good thing. All right. That's all i got. I love you, buddy. right.
01:55:52
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