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TSP EP 147 Part 1: Color and Audio are Done for our Feature! Or Ten Years Later!
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In this episode, Tom and Steve are back with an old episode! They discuss the current state of their film after finishing audio and sound! They talk Trump during better times, and, of course, somehow shit on filmmakers who actually have finished movies!
So come along with us as we learn a thing or two!
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Introduction & Hosts' Personal Stories
00:00:00
Speaker
Wait. All right. There we go. All right. There I am. Okay. Please, everyone, keep your hands and feet inside the attraction at all times. Silence your cell phone and no flash photography.
00:00:15
Speaker
This is TSP in the day. Yes. Welcome, everyone. ah Twin Shadows Podcast, podcast about film, filmmakers, and filmmaking.
00:00:26
Speaker
Brought to you, as always, by the two hosts who can never eat enough bowls of cereal, Tom and Steve. Hey, buddy. Jinx. I'm kidding. How are you feeling? I am still waking up. Yeah. um I'm pretty tired, but I'm kind of happy to just kind of get this ah out of the way for the day because I have a very busy day tomorrow. i'm driving down to San Diego for work.
00:00:50
Speaker
yeah So you're just heading down there tomorrow um so that' so you don't have to drive Monday, right? Yeah, at 3 a.m. m or whatever. so you just get down there, get settled in, and just chill? Yep.
00:01:02
Speaker
Now, are you going to, because this is a rare opportunity, you know, you get time away from the family, which means peace and quiet. Yeah. yeah So are you going to utilize that time to rest and restore your reserves? Or are you going to break into the reserves and drink all of the whiskey in those reserves?
00:01:23
Speaker
Oh, no, no, no. Because you got a gas lamp right there, you know. That's that's true. I love that area. Well, I'm staying by the airport. I don't know if that's close. have no idea where that's at.
00:01:35
Speaker
That's where I was just like, well, I don't know where the job is, but it's on the border of with Tijuana. Oh, really? Yeah. so It's the biggest water treatment facility plant that's going to be built in California. We're doing that.
00:01:47
Speaker
Oh, shit. it's Essentially, it's supposed to clean all the water from Tijuana that gets pushed into the ocean. So instead of that water just feeding off into the ocean, we're going to be treating it. Well, the company that's building it. For TJ?
00:02:00
Speaker
For TJ and San Diego, yeah. Oh, for the both? It's like, hey, why not? Well, they're shared waterways ah on the on the border there. Yeah. So, yeah. Okay, because it's like like dirty, gross water that goes into the ocean? Well, yeah, it's um it's all the water that pretty much all the water gets flushed into the sewage. And in that sewage, then it all needs to be treated. Right now, it's just literally just being dumped into the ocean. Really? Yeah.
00:02:27
Speaker
Because I went swimming in Coronado, which is a little island right off the... So i was swimming in shit. yeah yeah Well, I mean, it's a lot of water in the ocean, buddy. Coronado's really nice.
00:02:41
Speaker
and I love Coronado. um But yeah, actually learned a lot about water treatment lately, which is very interesting. Yeah. And we do a lot of water treatment in California. like we we did We're doing the one for ah o so um o c Orange County.
00:02:56
Speaker
we have it We're doing the water treatment there. thought it was a good idea to just pump all the shit water out in the ocean? I mean, I guess it's kind of also like, what else do you do with it?
00:03:09
Speaker
Well, what do they do with the mainland where there's no ocean? Oh, I don't know. i guess They have ways to treat it. so Yeah, we have ways to treat it. And it's the way we treat it is actually really interesting.
00:03:19
Speaker
Because, I mean, we've we've always known, you know, you don't drink the water downstream. You drink the water upstream because of all the gross runoff. Yeah.
Trump's Legal Troubles & Republican Party Speculation
00:03:28
Speaker
But the ocean's like, it's so big. you know Yeah, literally. I think that's what it is. We can't drink it anyways. I think they're they they told me it's something like 10 million gallons of water a day.
00:03:42
Speaker
That it just gets dumped into the ocean. That is so gross. And then they're wondering why like all the animals are dying. Yeah. No, yeah. And yeah. like Wouldn't the shit also soak up oxygen?
00:03:55
Speaker
Because I heard there's like so many dead areas. I really don't know. I don't know. That's me on me. I mean, the fish might eat the poop, honestly. Like plankton and all that shit. Yeah, there's minerals and... vitamins and stuff and human waste it's not the human waste that's the issue too it's the shit that it gets flushed on the toilet that isn't waste oh that's like the worst of it yeah like all those dirty condoms I flushed down the toilet dirty condoms you know straws and all that shit oh that's how the turtles have a little snorkeler huh Yeah, they just dump it in the water.
00:04:28
Speaker
But yeah, yeah yeah we're going to build that. It's going to be that's like a five or four year project. So maybe the beaches around TJ and San Diego might be a little cleaner. although No, that's awesome, dude. Stuff like that's good.
00:04:41
Speaker
That's when industry's good. Oh, hey, speaking of awesome stuff, Trump's going to go down in flames. Yeah, and you think? Did you hear about those emails? I saw that he might have sucked Bill Clinton's dick. dick yeah Or some guy named Bubba's dick. Maybe Bublowski. Well, everyone refers to Bill as Bubba.
00:04:59
Speaker
I saw the memes, though. The big, beautiful Bill. No wonder he loves the big, beautiful Bill. But dude, I don't see... Not only do I think Trump's going to go down for this...
00:05:12
Speaker
He might be arrested. No. I mean, he might go to jail. I think so. I don't think so. I honestly think nothing will happen. I don't think so. I think shit's going fall apart.
00:05:23
Speaker
J.D. Vance to become VP. And I think the Republican Party might fracture as a result. Like, I think this could really shake things up.
00:05:37
Speaker
You think? i Man, I just, I want to believe it would. I really do. i want to believe it could. But, I mean, look at all the times where we've talked and it's like, damn, this might really lead to something. This might go to fucking Civil War. i won What's his face was murdered? ah Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk. I remember thinking like, fuck, this could be something. and's like It it was nothing it literally was nothing. Well, that's still recent, so it still might be something. But what I'm saying is like no one even talks about it anymore. Remember, everyone was losing their jobs because they were making jokes about it. well it' like I think Trump killed Charlie Kirk to get the Epstein files. ah The cycle is the the the the people's ah i don't know memory. It's too short now. i don't know, man. This one seems different. like oh This feels different. I'll put it that way. And I think...
00:06:26
Speaker
I think huge change is going to come about this. I really do. I want to say there's got to be a straw that breaks the camel's back because so it's just the way the reality works. Well, I think it's just like, this guy's like fucking impervious to shit or something. Like, i He's like the shit accumulator. It's like the more the worst things that keep coming out. He's like the ocean. 10 million gallons of shit still don't affect It they just just washes right over him, right? It's like I don't understand it. There's only two people that can support Trump at this point. Evil people and fucking morons. Like that's it. Like there's no in between. Well, ignorant people, right? Just someone who's not paying attention anything. That's true too. If you don't pay attention. but Which is a lot of people.
00:07:09
Speaker
But I mean – it's It is ah astounding. it's It's something that will be studied and talked about in 100 years. about It will be a pivotal point in history classes we make it. That's what I was telling Karen. was like, dude, this is history. And someone else told me, well, every day is history. No.
00:07:29
Speaker
Ain't like this. No. Every day is not history. Ain't like this. There's a reason why they go, ah the Roman Empire was from yeah maybe 900 BC. No.
00:07:40
Speaker
but Exactly, sure. You know, like 14 AD or whatever, it's like approximately 45,000 years ago, shit like that. It's like, yeah, that's because Tuesday on December 7th, you know, 1402 didn't mean shit, right? It was just a day. Right?
00:07:56
Speaker
Yeah. Well, also, you
California Politics & Gerrymandering
00:07:58
Speaker
know, I think Tuesday when everyone voted, I mean, those results were pretty. Yeah. That was a pretty big thumping, especially with Mondani, which is huge. So he needs to not screw up. I think he's the most important politician right now for like positive.
00:08:14
Speaker
who And then for California, like I was listening to Prop 50 because I'm really against it You know, I mean, we're voting to gerrymander, and that's like so unconstitutional.
00:08:29
Speaker
It is, but it's like, damn, dude. All we do is wipe our nose with the Constitution these days. I know. but it's like, well, we're going to vote to do it for for us. For good, right? And it's like, dude, I really didn't like that. But I did i voted yes on it anyways because it's like, well, fuck Trump.
00:08:43
Speaker
Same. My thing was... Oh, go ahead. but So i was I was listening to because I was like, well, you know, I'm never sure on what to vote on. So let me kind of... Because sometimes, you know, the way it's really written, like, I think I'm smart.
00:08:57
Speaker
And then I'll read it and I'll understand. And then I'll vote. And then I'll realize... I selected the answer I actually didn't want, but it's because the way it was written, just I got confused.
00:09:09
Speaker
And that's on purpose. Yeah. Right? yeah, it is. So I wanted to make sure I kind of understood this one. Yeah. And then when I was listening to it, they're like, well, you know, it's really hard to get yes votes. It's easier to maintain the status quo and keep the no votes. So it's really hard to get the yes. So they were saying like, you know, if it passes, we're not we don't think it's going to be that much.
00:09:30
Speaker
It's not going to pass by that much. And then you see like it passed by like 60%. It just destroyed. It was outstandingly yes. Well, California especially, I mean, are so we're so fucking fed up with the federal government. with I mean, just look at ICE, dude. Like, what the fuck? Like, we literally have the Gestapo in America. Yeah.
00:09:54
Speaker
It's plain as day. We just called it ICE because we can't spell six letters. That's too many letters. like Holy shit, dude. this is It's absurd. like But still, California has a lot of red, right? like I think during our primaries, a lot of things kind of flipped red, which was a little scary. like It was like, oh, shit.
00:10:12
Speaker
This a lot more red than I thought it would have been. I think the stats are there are actually more Trump
Podcasting & Filmmaking Challenges
00:10:18
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vote. There are more votes for Trump in California than like all the other southern states combined. It's just...
00:10:23
Speaker
We are of so many people. That we are still outweigh them. We still outweigh the debt like the amount of Democrats in this state. Really? Yeah, because there was some there was still something like 10 million votes for Trump, but there's like 30 million for Kamala or whatever. And are we one of the states where like.
00:10:39
Speaker
There aren't even 10 million people in Iowa. But are we one of the states where it's like, okay, every the majority voted this way, so everyone's going to vote? that Yes. are What are they called?
00:10:51
Speaker
The Electoral College. Yeah. The electorates are going to vote. That's why the redistricting thing was is super important because it's like so many districts win, and then that's how you so move the the state to be red or blue or whatever.
00:11:06
Speaker
Because there's some states where it's like... ah they the electorate can vote either way. Correct. But we're like, ah if you win us, you win it all? Yes. Oh, that's pretty big, yeah. Yeah. Shit.
00:11:19
Speaker
Sucks to be a Republican in California then, right? Yeah. But the thing is, they wanted to redistrict so that ah they could get more senators, or not senators, but House, congressmen um Because, right, if you essentially have A county that's just red voters, you're going to have an ah automatic red so ah house representative. Oh, yeah. And then that's how they tip the balances, right? Yeah, just slowly but surely. Yeah.
00:11:43
Speaker
Yeah, man. I don't know. It feels like good is going to come. But, you know, the USC, because I was listening to our last podcast because I'm still editing it.
00:11:54
Speaker
And we were watching the USC during it. Mm-hmm. And it's funny because they were going to have like the biggest fight ever at the White House. that They want to build bill that as like the biggest fight card. And he's like, dude, I don't even know Trump's going to be there anymore. What's going to happen to UFC White House, man? Are we still going to have it? He's going to be there. Yeah. I don't know, dude. I really don't know, man.
00:12:19
Speaker
See, my thing is, I'm hopeful that he won't. But we've been proven wrong time and time again, man. Yeah, but this one feels ah quite different. This one feels quite different. There's just too many things stacked against him. He's just been caught in into too many lies.
00:12:35
Speaker
And then he was um putting on, I guess, Truth Social or whatever. He's like, oh, it's a hoax. The Epstein hoax. We're going to investigate all the Democrats.
00:12:47
Speaker
It's like... Okay, you're going to only go after Democrats on the Fs. Like, is it a hoax? Is it it? But also, come on, man. That ain't going to fly, dude. It's your own base. Yeah. It's like, right? MAGA really wanted the Epstein files to be yeah released, right? That was like important for them. The funny thing is... They're the ones who believe in Pizzagate.
00:13:10
Speaker
is the second... You realize that if Trump wasn't on that list, he would have printed 10,000 copies. He would have had an Epstein list mailed to your fucking door. Yeah. And it would have been like, oh, this guy was on it then. But it's of course Trump's on Yeah, that's right. And then, you know, the fuck, was it, I can't remember who it was. Maybe it was Megyn Kelly or something was talking about how, oh, well, you know, they're not pedophiles. Those girls were only 15. Yeah.
00:13:37
Speaker
It's like, oh, okay, in that case. yeah Like, what the fuck? I know, I'm like, Jesus Christ, you can't be real. That's why i think there's going to be a huge shakeup because it's like, even media, like with media supporting Trump still, you know, some of them, or maybe all of them.
00:13:56
Speaker
It's like, how are you, if he is found guilty, how are you going to stand and be like, yeah, we supported and defended that man? Like, that's going to cause fracture. I thought January 6th would have fucking been the nail in the coffin. The dude tried to fucking take over the country.
00:14:11
Speaker
No, I don't think January 6th. Because, I mean, when you watch the video, you see the dude with horns and they're like, do it's you know, it's like a bunch of frat boys crashing. Yeah. You know, i don't know, the auditorium.
00:14:23
Speaker
You know, it didn't feel like... Yeah, it was disorganized chaos for sure. But yeah at the same time... But it that it was like he spurred it on. It was clear as day that he spurred it on. Yeah. But it's like, fuck, nothing nothing can fucking... Like, he's got like bullshit...
AI's Influence on Filmmaking
00:14:36
Speaker
Like, a plot armor, right? It's like he's got plot armor. Like, someone... Like, God is like punishing America or something. Like, with Trump. Like, I don't know, man. Like, I don't necessarily... I don't believe in any of that shit, but...
00:14:47
Speaker
Shit, man. Well, I think i think Epstein was the key to it all. I mean, they're saying he he might have been a Mossad agent. Oh, i thought the for sure that was a thing because Ghislaine Maxlory whatever her name is. Yeah, Maxwell. she's ah She's like an IDF agent for sure. Oh, really? Yeah, I believe she was in um the Israeli army. Really? Yeah.
00:15:14
Speaker
wow just shit Yeah. So, and I mean, Mossad, they ain't no joke. I've heard they're like the top. Well, they have to Like they're literally yeah above the CIA. Yeah.
00:15:26
Speaker
um And like what they can accomplish and do. And it's like, well, maybe they're the ones who killed Epstein. Because, I mean, also look how much Trump has been sucking up to Israel. Yeah. It's like, well, they're probably like, hey, bro, you better let us make Gaza some beachfront property or else. We got the tapes of you sucking belly picture Billy's willy.
00:15:48
Speaker
That's so fucking crazy. And also it's like, well, and we're go going to talk about AI a little bit later, but it's like also with AI, like, can you even believe anything you see anymore? well that's why I was saying Trump needs to just be like, it's all AI. It's all AI. That's not me. Look it. I got six fingers. That's your dick, Trump.
00:16:03
Speaker
Oh no I mean, damn, I hope you're right. i There should be, i would hope that there would be a some return to AI.
00:16:15
Speaker
Some normalcy. Like, that was what I think. Even with when Biden was around, it was like barely any. He didn't have enough time to do anything. Yeah. Like, people shit on him a lot.
00:16:25
Speaker
But at the same time, like, what did he even do? The motherfucker's sandwiched between Trump presidencies. Yeah. It's like, I don't feel like he did much, which is a compliment right now in this state.
00:16:40
Speaker
Yeah. So, I don't know, man. Do you know what's really going to sink him? Poor people losing their benefits. Yeah, well. Because that's when they're going to like, wait, what? what I can't get my root beer on Thanksgiving?
00:16:54
Speaker
Well, that's why I think, because the the Democrats then folded after their huge victory for the elections. Yeah. But I think maybe they did it on purpose. This is me being hopeful.
00:17:06
Speaker
and Maybe they did it on purpose to end the shutdown. Because then immediately, and then Chuck Schumer's getting all this shit. like We got to get rid of him. He's like, boop, boop, hit that button. Send the nukes. Release the emails. And now Trump's fucked, dude.
00:17:21
Speaker
He's so fucked. like Even if it doesn't stick, like at worst, even if it doesn't stick, he's going to have to dig his way. He's going to be have to be Andy Dufresne.
00:17:33
Speaker
The thing is, dude, like i I don't know, man. I mean, he's going to to walk through that shit. He might come out clean like Andy, but he's still going to have to go that. The thing is that about him is like, he literally has like half the nation captured.
00:17:49
Speaker
And so it's going to take a lot. I mean, that it's like... i know I can't understand it. I just literally can't understand. Welcome to this film podcast, by the way. Sorry. you know Skip 20 minutes in. Yeah, if you don't want to hear politics. But you know who it might be dependent on is that guy who came into fruition after Charlie Kirk. Like, he took center stage. Is that Nick Fuentes?
00:18:12
Speaker
Yeah. And that dude's a fucking wild card. Have you heard him talk? I haven't. That dude is like... What is his name? Goebbels? Groebbels? Oh, Goebbels? Yeah, that he's a fucking Nazi, man. He's like pure evil.
00:18:28
Speaker
But our pure grifter, which might be pure evil. But, yeah I mean, he is kind of holding conservatives accountable. For things.
00:18:40
Speaker
And it's like if he doesn't back Trump. Then that might push. Push a lot of the conservative people. To really not be okay with it this time. I want to believe buddy. I want to believe. That's all I can say. Yeah me too man.
00:18:55
Speaker
Because too fuck there's a lot of work. to That has to be. To fix this shit. Yeah, I mean, we're never gonna recover, I don't think. I mean, the I keep saying and I've said it, not on the podcast, but I've said a thousand times, we haven't got the worst part yet. We haven't seen the ramifications of all the tariffs yeah and everything yet. We're only at the tip of the iceberg. The iceberg is below us. We haven't hit seen the fall through it fallout yet. And then the shit, when they're like saying like, oh, the reason why you can't buy a house is because immigrants are buying houses.
00:19:28
Speaker
I'm like, what?
00:19:32
Speaker
I'm not going to even blame them for that now. I mean, I guess. I saw J.D. Vance in interview yesterday where he, when the reporter asked him, like, why it that Americans can't buy homes? And he said, because 30 million immigrants came in and bought 30 million homes.
00:19:46
Speaker
And I'm just sitting here like, did anyone believe a single thing? So wait, is it there they're criminals that just live and do drugs and kill people? Or are they like these hardworking people that are buying all our homes? like You make a lot of money doing that and then you buy all the homes. so Shit. the yeah Maybe I need to go to Tijuana and ask for a house. you know I mean, they're not completely wrong. He's not completely wrong in the sense, you know, like,
00:20:13
Speaker
Outside investors are coming in and purchasing all these properties. But it ain't the fucking illegals. But I don't think necessarily immigrants. And also it's like. It's China. Yeah. And also it's like, dude, you're government. You're the law. You can put into law.
00:20:28
Speaker
Yeah, outside organizations can only own so much US real estate. You
Legal & Ethical Considerations of AI
00:20:34
Speaker
know, we can kind of regulate that. and make more availability or we could say hey we're gonna you know buy back all those homes and then sell them at a ah zero interest rate to americans yeah i mean there's what that eminent domain i mean you we do that to our own people you know let's take back some homes i don't know but we're in a scary place i'm i'm hopeful i'm hopeful
00:21:03
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I want to believe, buddy. Like i said, I want to believe. Well, I've been following this thing ever since it dropped. I was like, holy shit. It's like, what? now Now he's so Bill Clinton's dick. Like, what the fuck? I know. I was like, i saw ah a lot of stuff. of People who were like, oh, we got to make sure it's I support our first bi, openly bisexual president. Yeah.
00:21:29
Speaker
Who knew Trump was so woke? yeah I mean, dude, the the man's barely a person, right? He's such a fucking caricature. yeah he's he It's like you couldn't design a more perfectly written ah megalomaniac, narcissist, evil guy. I mean, the the fact that doesn't have a curly mustache is a real fucking shame. That would have been the... like it He literally just walked in conned everybody, made himself billions of dollars, and then it's like, what are we gonna we gonna get that back? We can't get that back.
00:22:06
Speaker
Everyone around him is fucking, Elon Musk to be the first fucking trillionaire. Yeah. ah Kill him. Like, Jesus Christ, dude. Like, why is he alive? Uh-oh.
00:22:19
Speaker
i I know that sounds extreme, but like, we're we're just commentators here. We don't actually, okay? We just play StarCraft. We have no reach. Okay, Mr. Cash Patel. Yeah.
00:22:31
Speaker
Sorry. Yeah. oh and but Pam Bondi, don't come after Don't come after Pammy. You know, but like, what the fuck? like Yeah, dude. It is so crazy. like You know, it's like you see the amount of people posting like, yeah I'm not getting Christmas gifts this year because we're barely going to be able to have a Christmas tree or yeah fucking be able to afford the turkey, let alone...
00:22:58
Speaker
ah be able to buy gifts for people because you know Trump had that thing where he was like, well, because of the tariffs, I guess your little kid won't get one dolly this year. And it's like, they they ain't getting a dolly. They ain't getting any dolly, Mr. Trump. Yeah, dude. Like, shit. We can barely – groceries are killing us. Like, holy yeah shit.
00:23:18
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I mean, every month we've been dipping into the credit card. Yeah. So, I mean, we still haven't bought the girls their birthday gifts yet. Well, they're one and two. yeah they're and two. You don't need to them. There's no rush. But also at the same time, you know money plays a huge part in that. you know just it doesn't Being poor and broke doesn't incentivize me to want to go look to spend more money.
00:23:43
Speaker
Right. you know So it's like, yeah, I know I got to get the gift, but... But you really ah we didn't get the kids gifts for like a long time. Oh, really? Yeah. Because it's like they get so much shit from people, but they're also one and two. They're not going to remember that you didn't get them anything. i mean Well, i do want to get them something because I wanted to get them flashcards, like ABC flashcards and one, two, three. Mm-hmm. Just so I could really start focusing on ABC and working on them with that. Yeah. That's it. just Yeah, that hit me this morning when Emma was putting her cocoa in the microwave and I was like, okay, hit 150 and she like doesn't know 1 through 10. I'm like, oh, you're 4, shit. Whoops. I was like, Kate, what are do you doing with these fucking kids? like You got to teach them. I'm not home. I'm literally not home. like you got She's should be she should know her ABCs to Kate.
00:24:35
Speaker
i talked i was like this is't I looked at and i was like, what the fuck? yeah And I was like, shit. It's on me, I guess, too. But it's holy shit. I'm not home 24 hours a day with them. Yeah, that's the hard part is doing that stuff. Because, shit, man, I need to start doing these things and be more involved. Because...
00:24:55
Speaker
Normally, I'm just cleaning and then cooking. And then by that time, it's like time to go. Well, that's the shit that's important too, is the involvement, right? Like teaching them to count and reading. And yeah and it's like, no, I need to.
00:25:10
Speaker
Because I was reading to them too for a little, Artvia for a little bit, but I haven't been. It's like, no, I need to get back into making time for that. i need to work on ABCs. One, two, three. Yeah. So I want to get flashcards I can really start start that process. yeah yeah But like cool ones.
00:25:28
Speaker
Cool. You don't want to just print them at work? No, I want cool ones, man. So we'll see. I try to find cool ones, but they don't have any. They're all like kid ones. I want like some Edward Gorey. Do you know who he Yeah. Yeah, i want some of that shit. Yeah, he did the scary the scary stories to ah Keep You Awake and Dark or something, right?
00:25:47
Speaker
ah No. No, Edward Gorey's the poet. Artist guy. Yeah, he's more like an artist. I actually got a book from him. He animated like Dracula.
00:25:58
Speaker
Yes. So it has Dracula, or it has his drawings for Dracula. Yes, I remember. No, I'm thinking of the other guy. But Edward Gorey, he did a Simpsons ah opening in that style. Oh, no shit. Yeah. That's so cool. Yes.
00:26:12
Speaker
That is so cool. He's kind of like Tim Burton-esque. Yes, very much so. Pre-Tim Burton, because he has this... I mean, i could I could try this because I bought this book for um children's literature for college.
00:26:27
Speaker
And we had to read a children's book. Silverstein. He's the one that does. Yeah, Silverstein. No, he does the poems. but um But I bought this book and it's called like um something tinnies, tinies, but it's the ABCs.
00:26:43
Speaker
And it's in a rhyme, but every letter it's like how children die. So it's like, A is for Alphonse who fell down the stairs and it shows him falling downstairs. Yeah. So I read that in class and everyone was like, what the fuck? But the teacher liked it. She's like, wow, I've never heard of that this person. Like, that's really awesome. Can you share more? I'm like, yeah, sure.
00:27:04
Speaker
So I was thinking it'd be cool to get like flashcards in the style of his art. That'd have been cool. But I'm not finding anything yet. So I have to like scour the internet. There are also two, buddy. Or one, you know. Yeah, but...
00:27:18
Speaker
You know, it's the artist side of me that wants to show them like... Appreciate the styles and... You know, incorporate colors too and images. So from Trump to children, that kind of seems appropriate in a sense. Well, we can go right into dickhead then.
00:27:37
Speaker
Because we haven't... had a podcast yet where we talked about well audio team is done for the most part and color part color is done yeah so what's the issue with color The issue with color is just the same thing we've run into every time, every step of the way. It's like fucking technical issues. So Summer sent us our our XML and all the files.
00:28:03
Speaker
And so I've been downloading them, but I can't get the fucking XML to actually like, because I'm not exactly sure what's supposed to happen. It's supposed to just import into the timeline, and then we relink all the footage with our footage, and it has the color on top of it? That's what I thought. And then it like populates the ah effects onto the raw file.
00:28:24
Speaker
But then we have all of these actual videos. Yes. So I don't know. All these actual renders. And I'm like, is that what holds the...
00:28:36
Speaker
But we wouldn't want that because. We want to relink and then use it. Yeah. Because then we can zoom out and zoom in with the Zoom and do all these movements. Yeah. Course correct. So I don't know.
00:28:48
Speaker
We got to contact her. I did. I sent her an email. Yeah. Because i'm I'm also just like, it's just why can't anything just work like and everyone says it does? Right? She was like, ah, just import it in, and then it will drop a thing in your timeline, and you just got a relink. And I was like, OK, let me try it it. Didn't work. Sounds easy enough. Yeah.
00:29:08
Speaker
And you know, it it ultimately would have been easier if we had just mailed her a hard drive with everything on there. Yeah. She could have worked on those files specifically. and then we would get them back and we'd have all the raw stuff.
00:29:21
Speaker
Yeah. And we wouldn't have to worry about any of this render and... That possibility. Yeah, absolutely. And not only that, right? And it's like, then we have like mixed files in a sense because we have the rendered fixed footage from Forge.
00:29:38
Speaker
And that has, that we can't really reframe because. Yeah, that's stuck. And I think though, thankfully, I think you already reframed all those. But by at the same time, it's like, well, I hope that's all good enough, right?
00:29:51
Speaker
it's like, God, dude, it's such a fucking mess. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, fuck, dude. like I don't know. like' I'm imagining that people that don't run into these issues, it's like, of course they want to keep making movies.
00:30:07
Speaker
You know, it's kind of like we gave her a bunch of confetti, k are white confetti. Yeah. And we thought she was going to paint it all and then hand us back, you know, a beautiful image.
00:30:19
Speaker
But instead, we have all this now colored confetti that now we have to rearrange yeah back into the image. It's a mosaic. Like, God damn it. Shit. Like, I thought this... It's crazy. I mean, I'm not too worried because it'll get figured out. It will, but it's like the the figuring out part. I'm just so sick of like figuring out all these little bugs. yeah like I was hoping... What I wanted was essentially it would just overwrite the color on the timeline and of the already existing files. And then it would be like, oh there you go. They're all pretty now. Like throwing makeup yeah on on the already the footage already. But it's not that. I don't... It's...
00:31:00
Speaker
I don't know. yeah I don't know why it's 432 gigs. you know I thought it was just going to be a file, yeah like an AAF file where it just puts everything in its place. so that's where i'm like That's better what be what audio is, right? It better just be that. like I don't want think it should be.
00:31:23
Speaker
If we have to rearrange it, then we essentially have to do everything. Yeah. For audio. That's a bigger mess than what color would be. so Well, because we already have to fix the the audio to match the the cut that we made. Yeah, but we just did what? Like two small little?
00:31:41
Speaker
Yes. Even though I did think of a new edit to add. ah can't do no more edits. A new cut. No more. oh yeah. Yeah. Yes, we can.
00:31:52
Speaker
Yes, we can. Can we at least have everything in slotted in first? And then we can start fucking with it.
00:32:01
Speaker
Yes, you're right. Like, oh my God, we have such a fucking headache already, dude. And then we have to fucking redo VFX. like God damn it. I was just looking at some of the shots that she was sending over and I'm like, did you have to make the green bar to stand out so much more?
00:32:17
Speaker
Yeah, I know. Well, I haven't rushed to VFX because I want us to get audio and color squared away because there is still some work we're going to have to do. yeah and and well also I just want it i want a the timeline or the project file or whatever it is at ready. Yeah.
00:32:36
Speaker
yeah like I don't want it to be like, well, VFX can only work with like, no, no, no, no. no no no no It's going to be like the correct audio is synced and in there. The color is in there. Then we're going to have, then we'll well we'll break out the footage for the VFX person to work on and then drop that back in. Yeah, and then as we you know figure out all the VFX stuff we need, because there's you know once color or once color once Summer colored it, I noticed a lot more problems. It was like, oh shit, you can see a boom there that I never noticed before.
00:33:12
Speaker
And maybe it will not matter once we reframe everything. Maybe that'll help. I'm pretty sure we framed out a lot of it. That's I'm hoping for. Because also Summer made the film, I think, spaces a lot darker.
00:33:27
Speaker
And so the boom just going to fade away, right? Well, i've I've been noticing it a lot more. Yeah. So we got Like, there's stuff we can do in the meantime while we get audio and color figured out. You know, like, getting a VFX list.
00:33:41
Speaker
And then working on the ah title card. And then working on the poster. Yeah. You know, and even credits. Like, we there's stuff for us to kind of do in the interim. Yeah.
00:33:55
Speaker
But... And I don't want to wear rush into it because I already feel a little... overwhelmed Like, I didn't think color would be so overwhelming. But then after a certain point, i was like, fuck.
00:34:07
Speaker
Okay, summer's doing good. We just edited those notes. Okay, now we got to go back to audio and edit ah those notes. yeah And then it was like this jumping around that... It was tough, you know, even though we weren't doing the work, we still had to okay everything. yeah You know, that's tough. Yeah, it was it's tough because...
00:34:27
Speaker
And I don't ever want to do this again in this manner. I mean, I understand that this is like the most affordable, realistic way to do this, but I don't want to do the whole send off and then just pray that it comes back the way we want.
00:34:42
Speaker
It's like, if we were just, like I said, well if we were just in the room with Summer while she was doing it, like when we did the the last pass, yeah we would have been done in like two days or whatever the fuck, a week, instead of the six months or whatever we did color. It's just because so much of it is like, okay, well, like Steven wants to see what it would look like if we pumped, if we lowered the magenta here or added a little bit of gain or... Yeah, there's an exploration part it too, right? Where it's like...
00:35:11
Speaker
I think this might work, but I won't know until I see it. Yeah. And it's too hard when they already do everything and then you have to go find that and then. Yeah. And then it's like, well, no, I'll make it darker. And then they make it darker and you're like, no, make it go back or whatever. And then that just pisses them off. Right. And it also makes you look bad because it makes you look like you don't know what you want, which is true.
00:35:32
Speaker
You don't know what you want until you see it. like But that's something that, like you said, if I were to sit there, we could do it in five minutes, probably at most, and I would know the answer. Yeah. we would know the answer immediately.
00:35:44
Speaker
But when it's just back and forth. The same thing happened with audio, right? Where we would hear something, it's like, this doesn't fucking make any sense. Why can't we add this sound here instead? And then we would tell them that, and then weeks would go by,
00:35:58
Speaker
And it would come back. Like, I remember Stephen was asking, is the party music right? And i was like, I don't remember what fucking tracks we picked. Me either. like Because I remember I was listening through it and i was like, this sounds right, but it was the old tracks.
00:36:09
Speaker
And I was like, well, of course it sounds right. It's the old tracks that we picked. yeah I was like, fuck, I i i don't remember. i i literally don't have the mental capacity to like keep all the versions in check.
00:36:20
Speaker
Because it's also, none of it is happening in real time. Yeah. it Literally, we would go months without hearing from the audio team, and then it would be like, oh, here's the most updated thing. I was like, I fucking don't remember any of this. Yeah.
00:36:33
Speaker
What are supposed to be looking at again? Why does the breathing not fucking work yet? Yeah, like... Shit like that. Yeah, exactly. For the party ah music, that's why I messaged you, because I was like, dude, I do not remember...
00:36:44
Speaker
All I know is I'm hearing a song that shouldn't be in here. yeah then it was like, fuck, what else is incorrect? And then listening more, it's like, no, I'm pretty sure this was a different thing here. and And that just… I remember when that happened, like my adrenaline just shot up and I was like wide awake. I just got to work.
00:37:06
Speaker
It kind of motivated me to work because I was like, fuck, shit's crumbling here. I just remember being pissed because I'm not necessarily mad at the audio team or Summer, but just at the whole idea of like, God, it's such a slog. It is like...
00:37:21
Speaker
where you literally just sit and you just wait. Like, what are we ah what else are we supposed to do? And then it would come back and it's like, well, that's not exactly what we want. I want it to be a little bit like this.
00:37:32
Speaker
And then you would wait a week or two weeks and then we it would maybe get a response back. And it's like, it's just the process. This process doesn't work. It's not efficient in any way. Just this back and forth. Yeah. yeah So, I mean, I think next time it might be good to like,
00:37:50
Speaker
let them do maybe two passes and then sit in on the middle pass and then let them do a few more passes and then sit in on like a final pass. i Well, I think you have to sit with them while they're doing one.
00:38:03
Speaker
least. You have to sit and watch and stop and be like, okay, I want this here. Yeah, at least, right? Yes. Wait, these footsteps are sounding funny. They sound like, what were you saying? Like clogs or something. It's like, no, like, do we, can we try a different kind of boot sound or, or something else? Like this ain't fucking Monty Python. They're not riding coconut horses. Like we need, we have a specific yeah sound in mind that we want and we're not getting it.
00:38:26
Speaker
And we're going back and forth over this huge time span. And then not only that, we didn't get it like I don't think they changed much of the footsteps that I was complaining about.
00:38:38
Speaker
But once John mixed it, it was like, oh, okay. It's really not an issue. Because now I'm hearing the full range of it. And then that's the hard thing too, right? like And then that would be nice to sit on sit with them.
00:38:51
Speaker
Where it's like, yeah, this is too loud. And they'd be like, well... Yeah, it might be noticeable here, but once we mix it, it's going to kind of drown out and be like, oh, okay, well, let's not worry about it that That happened. That literally happened for us. Remember when we were like, we can't hear any of the sound effects? And John was like, oh, my bad.
00:39:07
Speaker
Yeah. and that But the thing was, is like that whole that that tiny conversation took place over like two months. No, it was probably like two weeks. But still, right? like No, but it took a long time. Yeah. Yeah. It was like we can't like, what are you guys doing? We can't hear anything. Nothing fucking, nothing works. It's so stupid. Yeah. Like, what what are we fucking paying you for? And then we have a call and then it's like,
00:39:29
Speaker
No, this is it sounds like this. And then they sent us the sound effects only. i was like, whoa. What the fuck is it? Oh, my God. Where was this, right? I'm like, I'm losing my fucking mind here.
00:39:41
Speaker
because Because when I listened to the last one, because i was I was procrastinating on it. It took me way longer than it should have. um But then when I sat down and I listened to it on the monitors instead of my headphones, i was like, okay, yeah, a lot of this is sounding really good. Like, I really have no complaints. I think I had only five notes, and some of them were just timing issues a little bit and balancing. And John posted that updated version.
00:40:06
Speaker
Oh, he did? Yeah. Okay, because I'm curious about the jump scare. Not that one. He didn't touch that. Okay. I think it was the balancing notes, because then he asked, hey, here's a new version, but I don't know what you mean.
00:40:20
Speaker
Yeah, then I told him. Did you hear that part, though, that I was talking about? Did you listen to that? Yes. Sorry. I'm trying to find that.
00:40:31
Speaker
Yeah, because... um The song has a natural fade out, so this might be ah something for at Pat or Adam to address. In the meantime, here's an update with those changes, and I have also done a pass pushing up the score in places and some subtle level changes throughout the foley.
00:40:49
Speaker
Let me know if you would like to proceed on the jump scare moment, and I can sort that out if you need Pat and Adam to extend the track. Okay, so I guess I got to listen. Again.
00:41:00
Speaker
Okay, well, I'll do it this weekend. I should be able to find some time tomorrow, I think.
00:41:07
Speaker
Because we're not doing anything. And then that's also the other issue, too, you know, just getting busy with life. Like, it's been such a busy past few months for us. um I don't think it's going to slow down for Karen me until December.
00:41:22
Speaker
But then she's going to have finals, and then it's going to be Christmas and New Year's. Yeah. You know, we always think there's going to be this little pocket in December, and then Alex wants to fucking cast for Rico.
00:41:36
Speaker
So it's like, man, just so so busy. It's always so hard to work on shit around November. Once November hits, and then also fatigue hits. Well, really, it's like a it's like September.
00:41:50
Speaker
Because that's when like every like all my whole whole family has a birthday in September. Oh, yeah. But it's like, holy shit, they're in the holidays, right? And it's like, we have family time and like we only meet once a week, right? yeah Well, you know, I was thinking it was funny because, you know, I'm working on this last episode we did and it's been good. I've been enjoying it because we're talking about the Temecula Valley Film Festival and we're all drunk. Mm-hmm.
00:42:15
Speaker
But I just haven't had any time to work on it. But also, you know, there's the fatigue. Like, I kind of took this week off at home at least because I was working ah on it at work. I just haven't had time at work.
00:42:28
Speaker
But I kind of took this because I was proud of us. It was like, okay, we really made some big steps here. we got color done. We got audio done. Like, you know, let me take a week. But um yeah, it's just funny because like,
00:42:43
Speaker
for our podcast, every time around November, we really start to fatigue out, right? And then we always take that break in December. and it's like, I don't know what it is, man. i mean, maybe it's just the busyness of our actual lives that just becomes too much around that time.
00:43:00
Speaker
um Because it's like, yeah, I think even though I'm not acknowledging it like I have other years, like I think the fatigue is just getting to me. Yeah. I mean and we used to just take a December off. Yeah, just December. yeah I mean, we always say we're not going to. And then we get to dis December. It's like, yeah, let's just take it off. Yeah. you know and Well, because it's like, okay, well, there are two weekends that we pretty much just don't need to podcast because Christmas and New Year's.
00:43:27
Speaker
um And then the weeks before that, right? It's like you have ah the end of school or not end of school, but the winter break to get ready for.
00:43:38
Speaker
And it's it's just a busy fucking time. And then we got to all our shopping too, you know? So it's like... I mean, did you want to take December off? What did you think? No, i i don't really want to. Because wasn't planning to.
00:43:51
Speaker
I wasn't planning to either. My thing is just... Is we just have to... like almost like force ourselves, I guess, in a sense, to meet at least to eat at least to do a show. Because ah yeah we have to get these guests on. I think that that's something that's really, really need to do. It's like start interviewing these people that we've met. Especially right now.
00:44:12
Speaker
Yeah. Especially now. Because that's what also helps to like really boost the the numbers and things like that as Well, not just that. Also, the consistency on my end of releasing the episodes in a timely manner. Like, I got to get on that shit.
00:44:25
Speaker
um And I always start slacking off during this time of the year. So, like, i was i was really upset I didn't finish this episode. But I was trying to last night and then i was doing good. And then Karen knocks on my door at one in the morning and she's like, hey, the girls are crying.
00:44:42
Speaker
yeah And I say, okay, well, I can't just leave it all up to her to take care of everything. I got to pitch in And then before I knew it, I fall asleep with the babies. And then I wake up at two in the morning. and It's like, well, I got to clean my studio because Tom's coming over. yeah it' was like, well, I'm not going to finish it. and I'm not going to burn myself out over it.
00:45:04
Speaker
Because that's the other thing too, you know. Yeah, burnout is real. It's real. And then the other, yeah. And we've talked about too because burnout leads to bad quality. Yeah, because you're just trying to rush through it, right?
00:45:17
Speaker
Bad quality. Just everything falls apart once you burn out. Yeah. And you can't. You got to avoid that at all costs. Yeah. you know Absolutely. Because, yeah, the the whole point of doing this is doing it as best as we can. If we're not doing that, then like it's like, what's the point? yeah Yeah. And then this extends to filmmaking more than so more than even the podcasting. Because podcasts, like, do you have listeners? Who knows? Who cares, in a sense? Yeah.
00:45:44
Speaker
If we have any listeners that are not up in arms where they don't get an episode from us. You know mean? Yeah. We would like to be in a place where they would be. We would that to be the situation. Trust me. We would want that. Where the hell is TSP this week? would want you all to complain that we're not there every week.
00:45:59
Speaker
Right now, it's like opening an airlock in space. You're trying to hear for something. like Nothing there, man. It's just vacuum. But for the filmmaking, you've got to avoid that. Because if you burn out with filmmaking, you're just done.
00:46:10
Speaker
like I mean, I haven't told Alex, but you know he needs to get on it because I'm starting to get burned out with Rico. Just this back and forth of making myself available and then nothing coming of it. And it's like, dude, I...
00:46:25
Speaker
I had this month where I could have worked and I told you that. I can't do next month because I'm busy with x y and Z. Yeah. You know, and it's getting well this has always been my thing too, especially with Alex and Rico.
00:46:37
Speaker
now I know Alex listens to the show, so listen up, Alex. The thing was, is like we told him, it's like dickhead's our priority. Yeah. Period. Like we have to get this done. Yeah. We need to finish some projects. Yeah.
00:46:50
Speaker
Like we are, Steven and I are willing to help you, but you have to take the lead. Yeah. We are here to help. We are not here to take over. Yeah, no. Because we don't have the bandwidth. We still have fucking jog at night to finish. we still have, i mean, dickheads getting close, but it guess what? it It won't be done until probably, hopefully early 2026. Yeah. And honestly, like,
00:47:14
Speaker
If we didn't have dickhead, a jogger night would be the priority. And that would be done yeah very quickly. Yeah. Like, it would be done very quickly. Yeah. You know? But yeah i'm I'm putting it on hold because it's like, no.
00:47:27
Speaker
Got to finish this. need to focus on dickhead. That's just. And that's what I've told everyone that on any project I worked on, I've always told them, dickhead has to be my priority. that's yeah That's just priority number one.
00:47:40
Speaker
And we have, what, maybe one day a week, a couple hours during the week maybe to work on stuff. And that's it. That is it for us. I know for me during the week, it's pretty hard for me to do anything.
00:47:52
Speaker
I'll go through and like I'll try to help out with summer stuff or whatever. But... Like, holy shit. Yeah, for me too. It's like I just with the kids now, I just can't because when I get home, if I do get the chance to sit in front of my computer, well, you know, at that point, I kind of just want to chill and have dinner.
00:48:10
Speaker
Yes. And relax maybe for a couple hours. But sometimes, you know, they're crying and I don't get any time. And so now I have to fix my schedule to where I can do this stuff at work.
00:48:21
Speaker
But when I'm at work, work has to be the priority. Yeah, right. Because I was thinking like, oh, you know what? I can just work on the podcast and not do this really important task I need to get done.
00:48:33
Speaker
And I was like, Stephen, what the fuck are you talking about, dude? You have to do your job. You can't push that off. like Because I always do. you know'll I'll arrange things and do it a different day. But I was like, no, dude, you You can't.
00:48:44
Speaker
You got to get this stuff done. The the podcast is going to have to just suffer. yeah And that's why there's not an episode out this week. But yeah, like, you know, we're we don't have, like you said, the bandwidth. It's just we want to.
00:48:59
Speaker
I desperately want to. i don't think I've quite realized I don't have it. Yeah. That was the thing I've just realized. Because I remember i was thinking about it I was like, I don't think I've written a single script for the podcast this whole year. Yeah. I haven't written this whole year. Yeah. i haven't written shit. And I'm always right. The only thing I wrote this year at all was that rio that little Rico spot. That's the only thing I've written this entire year. And was thinking about it. And was that is so different for me. I used to write every day. i used to write a script for every podcast. It was just...
00:49:32
Speaker
But I just, I literally just can't. I don't, I can't write at work. I can't write when I'm home. Like, I don't know when I'm supposed to do all this stuff. And then that's not good for us. No. You know, because it's like, we need to be doing these kind of things to stay sharp. Yes, to make ourselves better.
00:49:48
Speaker
You know, because there was a few times when working on Dickhead where I just kind of felt like, shit, I don't know. And normally I don't get like that. And I was like, fuck, I don't know. I don't know. don't know what to do here.
00:49:59
Speaker
You figure out. Someone figure it out for me. And and that was that wasn't good. That wasn't a good feeling to have. Yeah. to To not know for the, like, few times. Well, dude, that's how I was feeling when the fucking XML wasn't working. I was just like, God, can someone just do this for me? Like, fuck dude. Like, the other filmmakers, there's no way they cut they run into this kind of issue. i don't know. Maybe they do, dude. I don't know. I'm like, fuck, dude. I'm like, it's not working. it's like It's supposed to work. You're supposed to click import XML. Yeah.
00:50:28
Speaker
And it's supposed to load the media in. Like, I don't know what all i'm I'm doing wrong. All I know is if this is what other filmmakers run into, then there is a market for efficiency in filmmaking to streamline all of these processes. If you can figure out how to and that's make that happen, you can make a lot of money. That's a great segue into our second topic, which is I wanted to talk about AI again.
00:50:50
Speaker
i know it favorite subject I know it's probably 16 people that listen to our show probably are fucking sick and tired of it. Maybe that's why we only have 12 now instead of 16. Do they always got talk about dickheaded ai But the thing is, it's like how can you not talk about AI? It's taking over the industry.
00:51:06
Speaker
um But I want to talk to you because Sean is your cousin. He was over ah for your birthday. He showed us a little like so teasers. yeah Spot that he had kind of created completely all using AI and in about a day. and Yeah, like a proof of concept yeah teaser.
00:51:24
Speaker
And I thought it was really interesting that essentially that he pretty much has the tools to kind of do everything himself without needing anyone else. Yeah, which was really interesting. and Because I think the the trailer, the the spot or whatever, I think he did good, but it was such a mess that it was like, okay, I kind of see where you could go with this.
00:51:49
Speaker
But at the same time, it's like, there's no continuity. There's no, like, ah there's a lot of things missing. And to preface this, um he did it in like 22 hours. Yes. That's the time he's he spent assembling all of this, yeah which is a very short amount of time.
00:52:04
Speaker
Yeah, if you if you could tell me that you could make, ah I think it's like a one minute, 30 seconds, or a two minute teaser trailer for something in a day, like by yourself.
00:52:16
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, for the ah weird commercial where we ate spaghetti, um how long did we shoot that? Maybe like five, six hours? Yeah.
00:52:26
Speaker
And then how long did it take you like from pre-production to finishing it? That was probably like two days of work. See? Yeah. And that was what? like A little ad that's one camera angle? No, it's more than that. Okay, it was like three camera angles, right? It wasn't a lot.
00:52:48
Speaker
No, it's, there's ah quite a good amount of setups. where Were there? Yeah. Okay, I don't remember. Okay, I'm going to say, I'm going to be liberal and say eight setups. Okay. but that's not a lot compared to what Sean was showing us. I mean, he was showing us like different locations, yeah different cast. you know it was like But the other thing, too, is for the butt spaghetti show ah spot, is it was designed to be done in a day. yeah Well, on top of that, too, right? You knew what you had you knew your limitations and what you could do, so you designed and there were five of us a production to yeah fit within that.
00:53:24
Speaker
Yeah. And there were five of us working for a day. Yeah. So, I mean, that that was a lot of effort just for that versus what he did in like 22 hours. Yeah. And the result of that.
00:53:36
Speaker
I think the most surprising thing for me that he showed us are that stuck with me was the idea of putting, because he was saying like, I just get these pictures and I plug it in and out comes a result.
00:53:47
Speaker
Mm-hmm. And just thinking of storyboarding, you just take the storyboard, plug it in, and then you essentially get a whole movie from that. Yeah, that's essentially what it sounds like. Like, that's pretty fucking wild. Because that could also allow you to pre-edit and kind of know your cuts. And it' like, damn, dude, now that's crazy. I mean, also to the fact that storyboard artists...
00:54:12
Speaker
Probably quickly a thing of the past they're going to be. And then using that storyboard on top of that to make like a proof of concept full film. like That's some crazy ass shit, man.
00:54:24
Speaker
Honestly, it was just kind of wild because i was watching it and i and I was thinking, okay, I can see applications where this is great. But the thing that I really took away from it was... this is not a replacement effect as much as a tool to enhance what you can already do. Yeah.
00:54:42
Speaker
Because I don't necessarily think like the complete, uh, fully generated, ah videos are quite there yet. You can probably get like, I don't think you're going break five minutes, uh, of these films where you're going have something great yet, yet.
00:54:59
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All of this is yet to, to be continued, right? Like 20 years, I would be surprised if anyone has a fucking camera to make films anyway. like It's going to be... it will be so easy to prompt out a movie that it will... prompt I mean, that's just the future. But there will still be reasons that you want to make a film because of the control, because of the humanity behind the the mistakes and the interesting things that come out of what actors take away, right? When one person does it, it's just like you can't see your own flaws. Right.
00:55:31
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And that will stand out. But the thing that's right now is, dude, the tools are there. Like, why aren't we, we you know, people fucking hate AI. If they hear that AI was used to make your project, they have already written it off. I've seen so many posts where people were like, why does that poster look like it was made by ai And some guy was like, I worked for days on this. Yeah. And everyone's calling out AI, right? And they just write it off immediately. They're like, oh, looks like AI made it. Like, you're done. like So it's it's it's more harm right now just being associated with AI than it might be worth it than the tools. But, dude, like, look at what AI can do with the fucking audio cleanup. Look at what can do with... um
00:56:13
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Maybe like it's not just ah compositing and and also replacement. right Right. We don't have like maybe the best understanding of it now. But, you know, we were going have we wanted a VFX artist to come in and like replace a reflection of Stephen behind the camera.
00:56:29
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yeah But we can probably use the new Premiere replacement tool to just do it for free. Yeah. And i is the argument that that's good or bad? I mean, for us, it's great because guess what? We're paying for this out of pocket. Well, I was seeing, think that's starting to splinter off where now it's like, okay, we're not going to be mad at AI for being a tool. We're going to be mad at AI for being generative. Yeah. Where it's taking the place of the creative.
00:56:56
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And then that's kind of, I think we're starting to see that because it's like, how are you going to tell a composited artist don't use AI? You know, if it can track all the dots and make it clean, how are you going to tell them not to, to so how are you going to tell not to use it and spend like 50 hours tracking shit? Like, yeah.
00:57:16
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No, save them the time. They have lives. It does suck in a sense that, yes, there will be less jobs to make movies. it will affect And that sucks. But at the same time, it's like, dude, there aren't... I always think because there's this picture that we have at work of...
00:57:32
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what it used to be like to like do construction drafting where people would draw the oh yeah blueprints. And there was like there there's like a... Cat People shows that. Yeah. yeah There's like 45 artists just like drawing out the blueprints by hand. And then the other side of the picture is this one guy on a computer. Yeah.
00:57:50
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it's like And it's like, don't fuck up in any of those measurements because it throws everything off. Yeah. And it's like, well, the one guy doing the work of the what used to be 45 people, he's more efficient and more accurate.
00:58:05
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And it's just one guy doing it. It's like, yeah, those 45 people don't have a job anymore doing that. but Well, those 44 people. Yeah, 44. One of them got lucky. But, you know, it's interesting because you were talking about like um people will still do films for the sake of doing it, even when AI can do it.
00:58:23
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You know, it's kind of like painting and photography. Photography didn't end painting. It did really stop painting and doing hyper-realistic paintings. you know Those fell out of favor once photography really came into existence. Then that shook up the art world.
00:58:40
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But paintings still exist. And they even exist stronger. Well, not stronger than ever. But you know they're still very much a force. you know A painting is still very much a powerful thing. Although it has deep historical ties to us. So maybe there's something to that.
00:59:00
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Where films so so new of an art form. But also, you know, I was thinking about AI. don't think it's going to be as big of an issue as we think. And I don't think it's going to be as big of an issue as we think.
00:59:13
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Because I didn't know about data centers. And Mark Zuckerberg wants to build data center for their ai That's going to be the size of Manhattan.
00:59:25
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And they're drinking up all the water. They're using up tons of electricity. They're outputting tons of pollution. Like, the demands to run AI is enormous.
00:59:37
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It is. Like, at like a fucking building. I know. We build those data centers. Yeah, a fucking data center the size of Manhattan. Like, what the fuck? You know, it's going to take you hours to get from one end to the other. Like, that's crazy.
00:59:49
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That's crazy to comprehend. Mm-hmm. So I don't think ai is going to be as big of an issue because I don't think our technology is there to be efficient enough to produce the output that AI needs to to to create the quality that we want. That's fair. And I think, but that's also a little short short-sighted.
01:00:15
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Because I think it's a matter of time. Eventually, because I also read like scientists were talking about making, putting, i guess, light in a bubble.
01:00:26
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Or something. And then... no not light. Like an object in a bubble. And then that bubble was able to ah move faster than the speed of light. What?
01:00:37
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Yeah, because... And it didn't break Einstein's theory because it all existed within the bubble space. So thus, the it wasn't really moving faster than... ah light it was just kind of in relation to everything.
01:00:51
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It was moving fast. I don't know, some weird ass shit that it was able to go faster than the speed of light, but it wasn't breaking ah the theory of relativity. Is it relativity? No. yes Yeah? Yes. Yeah, so it wasn't breaking that.
01:01:03
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And it's like, okay, so I think technology has to advance to the point where this can become efficient enough to be profitable. And the efficiency isn't matching that what's being produced on the end yet. My concern is, and this is what I think is interesting, is...
01:01:22
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It's inevitable because people are going to make so much fucking money building AI bots. But if that they're going to need that, the infrastructure has to come because the demand will be there.
01:01:36
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Yeah. Because the giant Manhattan Island data center, they're going to have someone's like, they're already planning on building data centers under the water. And once we start just essentially like the ocean is just going to be a giant data center and it's going to all be cooled by the ocean. It's going to heat up all the water and then we're going to all, it's going to melt all these ice caps. It's going to be bad. But at the same time, it's like, dude, we'll have AI to solve the problems, right? No, we won't. But but that's what I'm thinking. We'll to make cool cat videos.
01:02:04
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But that's why I'm thinking AI might not get there because we it that's not practical. It's not practical. It's not sustainable. These people have more money than God, dude. They're going to Elon's the first trillionaire, right? Yeah. Or maybe second. I think there might be another trillionaire.
01:02:21
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I don't know. I don't know. Anyways, trillion's a lot. It's a lot more than a billion. It's a thousand. So... So I don't know. i kind of think, because you know they're talking about the AI bubble, I kind of think you we're in the bubble, it's going pop, and AI is not going to live up to what everyone wants it to be yet Yeah.
01:02:42
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Well, it's also ah an industry that is held back by its breakthroughs. Because as soon as we have a breakthrough an ai where essentially... it can kind of figure things out a little bit better and more accurately. It's like, dude, so many people are going to lose their jobs. And the thing a lot of people say is like, you're not going to lose your jobs. Like, don't worry about You're going to fuck it. People are going to lose their jobs. Yeah, but AI is having so many issues too, right? Because it's it's giving a lot of people false information, right? That's a big issue. It's kind of making up about its own shit like humans. Yeah.
01:03:15
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And then AI has been telling people to kill themselves. Yeah. Well, some people just need to do that, you know? Shit. But I mean, you know, these are some... Musk, do us a favor. These are some big issues, you know? Like, you can't just put this product out there if it's doing that.
01:03:34
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But it is. It's not going to last. Oh, man. But it's so it's so sketchy because... And now people are suing AI for um copyright. And i think so I think someone already won for that. Really? Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:48
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Because I feel like it, like, how can you, because AI is technically making something new. It's just, it's not stealing. It's the way art has always been made. It's just an amalgamation of others, all the learned things that you've ever learneded ner learned. Yeah, but also then... That's how art is created, right? but then you compress all that and you make something new. Whereas AI is just compressing all of that and then... blu It's just a robot stealing it instead of a person. That's a bit different.
01:04:17
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I don't know. i don't know if it is. Because it's like you've watched Star Wars and then you watched Terminator and then you watched Wee Alu Balthazar and then you have a donkey in space on fire. It's like...
01:04:31
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Where's the difference? But also, I mean, look at Parasite. That felt very new and original. It's not an original no tale, really. But the way Bong Joon-ho delivered it felt like very unique. Well, just this morning, I watched Bay of Blood by Mario Bava. Oh! um I heard Bava's amazing. I love Bava. Did he do Blood and Black Lace? Yeah. Okay, because I fell asleep on it. But before I did, i was like...
01:04:59
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Holy shit. Yeah, i understand why people love the giallos. I understand Tom now. This is amazing. Yeah, i was watching Bay of Blood this morning. And i was what while I was watching and i was like, motherfucker, this is Knives Out. And it's like, I feel like that that happens so many times when i as you watch older things. And that's why I always recommend people like dive into the old shit. Because people are just retreading the same shit, regardless if they're conscious of it or not.
01:05:29
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It's happening. you You can't avoid it. like you don't Everything is like this huge... amalgamation and it's really crazy because where does the line get drawn i mean clearly it's a humanist thing right people don't want non-humans creating period I think that's like the big pushing point about the hate behind ai is that there is like this weird human centrist
01:06:10
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idea Because it's like all these people are like, all the artists are losing their jobs. It's like and if the artists were.
01:06:19
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I don't know. It's tough. New things. It's like a new revolution. Like it's like the ah Industrial Revolution. Like I'm sure the the buggy drivers were like up in arms at about.
01:06:34
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You know, protesting outside Ford. but developing all those cars and stuff because that's just you know kind of what you had to do. That's what it was expected of you to be pro-human. Support the people.
01:06:49
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Support the horse-drawn carriages and the people that grew the horses and maintained the horses and kept the horses healthy and fed and people that grew the horse food.
01:07:00
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right like
Critique of Film Industry Practices
01:07:02
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There's a million steps behind the supply chain that gets affected. And just it's it it's just it's fascinating. Because at the same time, I think I would like to believe that the mundane, awful jobs would be replaced so that people would be free to be creative.
01:07:27
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And then we have the tools to do that without needing millions of dollars, right? Like when you look at okay what ah the screenshots for...
01:07:39
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the new Nolan movie, um The Odyssey, just came out. And you look and it's like, okay, he's going to spend $300 million dollars making The Odyssey. It's like, that's been made a thousand times before. We know the story. Everyone knows the story.
01:07:56
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But Nolan is getting the opportunity to you know drop hundreds of millions of dollars to tell it his way. But like why can't... you know It's just... What makes him...
01:08:11
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Get like the only one that has the opportunity to do that, I guess. I don't know. Maybe I'm i'm wrong about that. I just want to say like we should be supporting human creativity. It's just we live in this weird hustle culture where creatives just aren't supported.
01:08:32
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to be creative without having these huge hustles. And it's like this broken mindset of people that wanted just, oh my God, the wild turkey's back.
01:08:47
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And it's just, it's, that's what sucks really. That's what, that is what really sucks is we've never supported creative people to begin with. I mean, they're, the poor starving artist is a fucking trope because, you know, no most artists are poor and starving.
01:09:07
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ai is, i don't think AI is going to make that any better or worse unless it somehow creates a utopia that frees people of time to be creative and and pursue endeavors like that.
01:09:20
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I just don't see it. I don't see that happening though because unfortunately we live in this society of capitalism where all that matters is the bottom line and it's going to be these like five companies that control everything Oscorp no what is it a OCP no that's the police who controls OCP oh um they want to build Mega City yeah what what's their name yeah OCP OCP I thought that was the police they own the police yeah yeah they're like we bought they bought the police
01:09:56
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I mean, that shit's going to be reality, man. That's the future. Especially once Mondani gets in their goddamn socialist... You know, I i love the whole this like idea of that people that are against socialists, but then they have like food stamps and and they have SNAP and ah they're like, well, I fought in the military where tax dollars funded your existence for the entire time you were in. You mean social? it's like Everyone's so happy when socialism is for them. Yeah. Yeah.
01:10:29
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And they hate it when it's like, no, yeah it's just going to make people lazy. And I'm like, guess what? People already lazy. Yeah, that's true. And if they had the time to actually pursue ah what they wished, maybe they wouldn't be so lazy.
01:10:48
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I mean, part of it is, we talked about it burnout, right? We're not burnt out but ah from making movies because we're making movies. We're burnt out because we're supporting our kids, we're supporting our loved ones, we're going to work, we're fucking grocery shopping and cooking and cleaning and doing all this shit. And then we, it's like, then you get to scrape out A couple hours where you do this high-intensity brain activity of trying to figure out the film and blah, blah, blah. That's why we have to shut down so much. That's why we are drinking this fine wild turkey and this lovely Sierra Nevada Oktoberfest Feist to beer.
01:11:23
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And, you know, we could also fight the burnout out of the are any of this if we just didn't have to go to work. And we would make movies. Yeah. That would be our work.
01:11:33
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Yes. Making art. Telling stories. Whether it be in a movie or maybe a book or something. You know, like yeah are like you know you have your book.
01:11:44
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Rusty yet functional. Yeah.
01:11:48
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But you know all this AI talk is interesting, too, in the sense that Roger Deakins, we just saw a video of him, and he came out with a controversial statement that's on Reddit, yeah where I guess they asked him about what he thought about AI, and he's like, I don't really give a shit.
01:12:05
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As long as it's a good story, use whatever tool you got. Yeah, it sounded exactly like him. Bada bing, bada boom, you know what I'm saying? And then everyone blew their mind because they're like, but Roger's the best DP in the whole world. Why could he why is he betraying us? It's like you don't get it.
01:12:23
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You're not listening with your ears and then the sounds aren't going to your brain right. The thing is, it's like, if we want better tools. Yeah. You should really, really be happy that AI could possibly bring better tools to make films better. That's not bad. Yeah. Yeah.
01:12:42
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Are you fucking crazy? do you know how fucking hard this is? Like, that's one it that pisses me off the most about filmmakers disparaging AI tools. It's like, this is the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.
01:12:57
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Nothing is harder than trying to make a fucking movie that i've ever ah that I can imagine. Like, I'm not trying to cure cancer or anything like that. do you think it's harder than raising kids? Yes. Really? You don't have to raise kids well. They just have to not die. mean, that's pretty easy. Yeah, that's the thing about kids, right, is they're very fun. Like, they're functional. They can kind of, they're autonomous. Yeah, and they're just constant, like AI, they just constantly are absorbing information, right? Everything that you feed into them essentially is building just being built into these things. And it's like, that's the one thing that I was always like, wow, they're always paying attention.
01:13:34
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AI? Our kids? Oh, yeah. I'm like, oh, shit. They're always paying attention. like they you might You might think, oh, like whatever. like They're not responding or they're doing whatever, but no, they they are.
01:13:48
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Yeah, I've noticed. That's why I'm like, okay, I got to get better in certain areas. It's like, okay, I got to and i start watching this. I'm trying. I'm trying. Well, I mean, I always think about my childhood and there were like barely parents around. Yeah, we did okay, but then it's also well, look at us.
01:14:04
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But, you know you know, it's not just raising a- Look We made dickhead. You know, it's really not just raising a child, but it's raising a child and raising a parent. Yeah. yeah exactly.
01:14:15
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That's Stephen's deep thought for the day. It's pretty deep. Although, we can go deep and talk about the third topic before we get into the main discussion. God, we're not on the main discussion yet. and We're already an hour in.
01:14:27
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All right. So- Small topic I wanted to bring up, something that really grinds my gears. People who are proud that they made their film in like two days, three days, whatever. it kind of comes back to what Sean was saying where like I only worked on this for 22 hours and it's almost like it gives credibility for their thing being a piece of shit.
01:14:49
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It's like, oh, my movie's bad because I only made it. I may only had two days to make it. yeah i i was the only crew member. That's why there's a shadow in the corner. yeah It's like, that's not an excuse. now i don't get Just because you have – everyone has limitations.
01:15:05
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Just because you only had two days, it's like, okay, well, maybe you should have waited until you had four days to make it you know half as much as a piece of shit as it is. Or maybe took taken you I remember I mean, of course, we would have loved to have Dickhead out you know five years ago, seven years ago. yeah Whatever, whatever, right? But I remember Jared and Clark being on the show and they were talking about it. I it's already been over a year and the movie's not done. I'm like, you should have waited maybe another year. like yeah It's like the Coen Brothers movie be with Jace Franco, right? with First time, huh? Buster Shrug. Yeah. Yeah. Because fuck, dude.
01:15:44
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It takes time and you should really do what you can to make it the best. It's not about cranking out content. And I kind of wanted to get your take on on that because I know you work with a lot of ah fasties. I don't know if that's the word. That's a new word now, fasties. Okay. That's the word that's ah the phrase i i tell I coined. It's like essentially people i just want to crank out content as quick as possible regardless of the quality.
01:16:10
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Well, I will say, you know, because I'm glad you brought up Jared and Clark, because immediately when you said that, that's where my mind went to. And there's like a marketing aspect to that. There's an intrigue to that. Like, I mean, I think that's why we brought Jared and Clark on in the first place.
01:16:28
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It was, yeah. Because they had done it in such a short time. And I was like, damn, you did this fucking thing in that amount of time? Like, that's amazing. It is. And that's a huge accomplishment. And... You know, I think if you were to watch their film, that never comes across.
01:16:43
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You know? Yes. You would be like, the editing. Kudos to them wholeheartedly. Yeah. my whole My whole thing for bringing them up was when we had them on and they they brought up, you know, it's like, that's taking so much longer. Like, at the same time, I'm just thinking like, no, you want to put out the best.
01:17:01
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thing you can. you might as well. cause There's a reason Kubrick took 10 years between films. He wasn't just sitting there reading books. He was trying to make the next best movie he could make.
01:17:11
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Walker made 10 masterpieces in a row. well you know i think I think credit to them is like it doesn't show Or even Kususha, right? Because I think they filmed that one. Principal was only a few weeks, right?
01:17:24
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Yeah. Wooded Fawn? Yeah. that That was done real quick. I mean, I don't know how long pre-production, post-production took, but Principal was real short. And so I think there's a marketing aspect to that.
01:17:35
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And there is something to be commended, especially once you do it. It's like, holy shit, you were able to do it in this amount of time. But you got to do it at a certain quality, right? Yeah.
01:17:47
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What was I going to add to that? Fuck. Shit. But you know, like Jared and Clark, they're talking about making a second movie. I don't know how that's going. But I know they made one movie.
01:17:59
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You know, I know Steven and... Gerald... hanky What's his name? Steven and Joe.
01:18:10
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Joe. And they're great. I mean, their work is really, really fucking good. ah But they've only made one movie as far as I know. Now, ah Jared and Clark and Steven Joe are trying to make ah more. You know, they're trying to make so another movie.
01:18:28
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But it hasn't come out yet. And it might not ever. You know, I don't know what's how it's looking for them. And for us, you know, we're in that same shoe where it's like, well, we only got this one chance.
01:18:43
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And we are fucking... Do we... I mean... a credit to Jared and Clark is within the short amount of time they shot it, you can't tell.
01:18:55
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Right. You notice maybe some issues when you pay more close attention because there's some edits where it's like, man, I i wish I kind would have cut this. And then you realize like, oh yeah, we couldn't cut it because we shot it in such a short amount of time and this was the the only coverage we had of this. So there's literally no way to cut this shot or trim it down.
01:19:15
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can tell you, just cut the whole scene. Yeah, we possibly. Thickhead, one-on-one. And then there's like our film. Where you can tell we spent so much time because we are putting so much like fucking gloss on this piece of shit. And we are shining this dookie as much as we can. We're like, one more coat, boss. One more coat. Let me get that a little bit more.
01:19:40
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it's showing. I think it really shows. Like... I listened to the soundtrack. Did you think of any titles for the tracks? No, no. I was just enjoying listening to it. Honestly, i was I was like, fuck, this is a really good soundtrack. No, we got great music. That's really good. I was a little shocked because, you know, in the film, it's like, and this is a Rosemary's baby.
01:20:02
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yeah You got to give me a Rosemary's baby. Yeah. And it's like, there ain't no Rosemary's Baby. ah Yeah, exactly. But, you know, but then listening to it on its own and, you know, giving it its own value and its own worth and its own time.
01:20:17
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It's like, damn, this is really fucking cool. And I played it for my student worker and she was like, oh, wow, what movie is this from? I was like, excellent. Excellent.
01:20:27
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She's like, oh, is it Jason? No. Oh, is it is it Halloween? No. You know what? I was like, yeah, that's cool. And it it freaked her out, actually.
01:20:38
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That it was from your movie? I didn't tell her. Oh. Because then I got shy. But, you know, like. It's from Dighead. What's that? It's from this movie called Dighead that... ah I made it.
01:20:50
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But... ah i remember ah I remember when you told me you showed Weevee and ah you were like, what the biggest takeaway was she was like, you guys made an actual movie. And I was like, of course we did. What the fuck do you
The Art of Sincerity & Quality in Filmmaking
01:21:06
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think we were trying to do? Well, no, I mean, I think that's... I know, no but I know. But that's a huge compliment, right?
01:21:12
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yeah And...
01:21:16
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Like Trump and Bubba. swallowed Buffy's key wrong... Why'd you got to get it down my throat, Bill? Oh, yeah. God, could you imagine Trump sucking your dick?
01:21:29
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Fuck, I've tried not to cough. The soundtrack's really good. The sound is really good, considering. I mean, the sound has a lot of issues, but that's on our on us because we didn't get good on-set audio.
01:21:48
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And then seeing what ah Summer's been able to do with the coloring. And again, that's on us because we didn't expose the image correctly. And then, of course, we have the Bermuda rectangle.
01:22:02
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But, you know, there's a lot of these really awesome elements coming through. What was the original question? Taking a short amount of time. Coming through and, you know...
01:22:16
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If you could literally see your first cut of the film and then see what the film is ultimately going to be, I mean, it's fucking night and day, dude. And I always thought the first cut of your film was really good. I mean, you really leaned into the comedy and that was really fun.
01:22:35
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And of course, the film had a lot of charm in being this stripped down
01:22:44
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grungy, gritty, punk kind of film. And, you know, that could be an issue too now that I think about it. Like maybe we could be running into the issue of overproducing it. Because what makes me really think about the overproducing element is what we did with the cop dialogue.
01:23:04
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Like where we have Tom running through the kitchen and we have a cop. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 10-3-1 at this house. And then you have the music. but ah ah There's several dead people in this house. And it's like, damn, that's really.
01:23:24
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it's our psycho ending. Well, that's it's it's us doubling down on. ah not Not doubling down, but covering our asses.
01:23:35
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for essentially everyone that's not paying attention. Well, I thought it just sounded cool. But, you know, it's stretching into, like, the overproduction because it is so, like, melodramatic. I mean, that is melodrama right there.
01:23:48
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But, dude, it's the crescendo, No, no, no. It's the denouement. Come on. mean, it's like, okay, we're going there. And then with the ending and how it's going to end with your freeze frame, black and white.
01:24:01
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And then the song, too. Oh, yeah. Like,
01:24:05
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we I think we're getting to the point where we're showing that we spent a lot of time on this. Yeah. You know, it's really kind of... For us, it was visible in the edit because we knew everything, what we're doing.
01:24:19
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But now, I think for an outside viewer, if they were to see that versus this, it's like, okay, now I'm seeing the result of 10 years. ah We officially could say 10 years by the time this will finish.
01:24:34
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There is value to completing a film right away and getting it out there because it's out there. And that says a lot more than a film that's been worked on for 10 years that is never making it to the light of day.
01:24:48
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You know, who gives a shit about a film that's not yet done? Right. It's it's just it doesn't really nothing. It literally doesn't exist. Except to the filmmaker and the ones involved.
01:25:00
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So there is a lot of value to that. But you know in in our realm where maybe you only get the one shot, I think you got to invest the time, man.
01:25:10
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I mean, I think it's worth it. like Because also, that's your portfolio. And you could be like, well, I only shot it in five days and this is what I had.
01:25:22
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It was an attempt. And it's said like, yeah, but it's a piece of shit. You know, like if you're going to show... Metal. and And I'm not talking about... sorry. I'm not talking about Jared and Clark here. um I think you know who I'm talking about. And it's like, okay, that's fine if that's what you're showing for that. That got released pretty quickly.
01:25:42
Speaker
But then you have to show with subsequent films now that you've progressed. And that, I think, also highlights the disgusting aspect of the industry as well is because...
01:25:55
Speaker
The fact that that movie, the one that you are secretly referencing, the fact that a movie that could be made so ah poorly, so ah unskillfully, so but don't know. It's just like every aspect of the film. just rushed. It just feels rushed. And it's like, oh okay, you have the bones of something here. Give it give it the ah the credit it's due. Yeah. Like give it the time. that Nurture it.
01:26:26
Speaker
Yeah. And it's like, and I understand it's like the person that worked on that movie that was the head of everything.
01:26:37
Speaker
I mean, they're literally riding on the coattails of something they did 40 years ago, 30 years ago. Yeah. And that is, and the shittiest thing is it still works.
01:26:51
Speaker
Well, hey. It works for them because, yeah Right. But look at Tommy Wiseau with The Room. And look at us in 20 years with Dickhead. I made Dickhead and we had a theater full of people and they were throwing dildos at the screen. yeah it was the most best moment of my life. Shit, I would love that. I'm going to make another movie. Just you wait to see. like did you ever see their shark movie? I never saw it.
01:27:16
Speaker
Who's Tommy Wiseau? Tommy Wiseau and the guy that plays his friend, Mark. Of course They made a shark movie together. Oh, really? It's like a land shark movie. No, I didn't see it.
01:27:27
Speaker
I don't think it, ah I don't know if it had a wide release, but they made another movie together. And everyone's like excited about it. And I'm like, why? You can't be excited. yeah They, they're literally famous for making a the shittiest movie ever. Yeah. And it's famous because they didn't think they were making the shittiest movie ever. Right. Yes.
01:27:45
Speaker
you you don't achieve you need sincerity for a bad movie to be good right like your yeah there are some points where they're probably yeah this sucks but also at the same time there are some people giving it it their all yeah and there's a sincerity to there would you see people just hamming it up and doing it like sharknado it's like it's fucking lame Yeah, there's the the so bad it's good can't be on purpose.
01:28:13
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No, it cannot be. It has to be a sincere thing. Because then that's what you resonate with is the sincerity. That's why Clerks is so good. Yeah. Because Clerks is a shitty movie in a sense, right? It's done very poorly. It has tons of technical issues. Yeah, tons of technical. Yeah, I mean- If that was what Kevin Smith was aiming for, in a sense, it wouldn't succeed. But because he was just trying to make a sincere movie within his ah capability. i I always think about too. It's amazing. Sorry, i want to I want to interject a little bit. I always think about this as well because…
01:28:47
Speaker
You can so easily look ah look a past yeah all those technical issues, right? The like overexposed grainy footage or the underexposed grainy footage or the the scratches or the bat, but not necessarily greatest audio. Or even just a single location.
01:29:04
Speaker
Yeah. But it's like... You will look past that because what you're seeing on screen is like so genuinely authentic. and Yes. and it's like And that's why a lot of people are like, you know, a film doesn't necessarily ride or die on its visuals.
01:29:21
Speaker
No, not at all. Because you can look past that a lot, right? like There's a reason why, love it or hate it, Skin of a Rink was a fucking huge success. Yeah. And that movie, I personally think it's a massive piece of shit.
01:29:37
Speaker
I wouldn't say a piece of shit. I would just say it's a movie that never should have been a feature. It should have been it long, short, if if anything. It's a beautiful 20-minute short film. Yeah, it's a great short film. Yeah. Like, great.
01:29:50
Speaker
But, you know, like, to extend that, too, like, look at King Kong. Sorry, I'm getting work text messages. Oh, no worries. But, you know, look at King Kong. King Kong, by today's standards, it's pretty freaking rough, you know?
01:30:06
Speaker
But I watched King Kong, I think, this year because I was showing my daughters. And i was like, yeah, you know, that I could see why this might have a a parental warning there on the movie. It's like, yeah, it kind of depicts colonialism without realizing it's doing that, which is interesting.
01:30:25
Speaker
I don't think it's not. But anyways. like I think it realizes what it's doing. Then I give them all the credit. and Times 10. But, you know, like King Kong, you know, it's dated. It's a dated movie.
01:30:39
Speaker
Well, yeah, it's almost 100 old. Yeah. But man, you watch that movie, it's like, man, this is so fucking good, dude. This is still such a masterpiece. And when I rewatched, I was like… Because that was ah like one of that was the first old movie I'd ever seen was King Kong.
01:30:57
Speaker
My mom showed me. And then I showed my girls. They both fell asleep. But they were enjoying it until they did. And I just stayed up watching it. I was like… This is a fucking masterpiece to this day. there's I mean, Godzilla has its place. I don't want to go to Godzilla, but King Kong, like it's just special. Well, King Kong's 20 years older, man. it's Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? Yeah. oh ah Godzilla's 54 and King Kong's 33. Yeah. Dude. it's like Night and day, literally. Yeah, literally. And just King Kong just has like, it's just a masterpiece. It's a fucking masterpiece of a film, dude. It's a fucking masterpiece.
01:31:38
Speaker
And why? Because there was just sincerity and just trying to make the movie. Like, you see King Kong and Godzilla New Empire. And, of course, the visuals, some of them look real. And it's breathtaking. And, you know, you're seeing literal buildings collapse. Or not literal, but, you know, you're seeing buildings collapse that feel heavy.
01:32:02
Speaker
But it ain't got a thing on King Kong or the original Godzilla. You know, we talk about... AI um being a good tool. But honestly, can you truthfully say anything really beats the magic of human ingenuity?
01:32:23
Speaker
When you look at King Kong, half those techniques literally never existed until that film was created. And some of those techniques, people don't even know how they did yeah it's lost the time.
01:32:35
Speaker
And it's wild. Like when you... was Is it Mary Poppins that has like the weird color... ah Where they would like layer the frames and it would be like a crystal that they would shoot through to like make the colors the way that the colors show up in Mary Poppins. No shit. And then like they literally just don't have any more of those crystals around. You like can't make that technique anymore.
01:33:00
Speaker
i think it's Mary Poppins. i Really? Yeah. There's like a technique that's used in it. Oh, you got to show me that so I can watch it. Because I've never really seen Mary Poppins. I've never seen it either. um But i I've read the story.
01:33:13
Speaker
I read the yeah the art of the article about i saw it ah wikipedia the the technique. The technique. You haven't had breakfast, huh? No. I could tell the whiskey's getting there. Yeah, I'm like, oh, well. Because it's hitting me too. Oh, well, so long.
01:33:26
Speaker
Alvita, say goodbye. um That's a different movie. That sounded music. Yeah, that sounded music. Which I've also never seen. Oh, I have. It's great. But the thing i I really just wanted to impress on people is if you are a young filmmaker – Not even a young young as an age. Wait, hold on. Before you get into your wrap-up, how do you feel about the fast season?
01:33:51
Speaker
Because there is a threshold. There is a point where you take too long to finish finish it. i think I think we're getting there, but we had that 10-year mark, which is a marketing aspect. and I think time within a film's completion is a marketing aspect.
01:34:05
Speaker
thing Yes. because there is that mad god or whatever that claymation yeah by phil tippet that took twenty years twenty years yeah and you know that was a part of the marketing and i think for jared and clark that was part of the marketing that got us to bring them on Look how well it did for him.
01:34:22
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, well, that's that's on us for sucking. One thing another. But, you know, like you can't deny that there is value in completion time. Like, there is worth in that. Otherwise, speedruns wouldn't exist in video games, right? Yeah.
01:34:37
Speaker
So, how do you feel? what's What's your stance on that? Like, where's where's the threshold for it? And, yeah, just how do you feel overall? The threshold is the quality of the end result.
01:34:50
Speaker
So it doesn't matter if it took 10 minutes or 10 years. If you made something good, you made something good. The impressiveness comes from the people that made something good very quickly because it's hard to do that.
01:35:08
Speaker
Whereas it's also impressive to actually finish something that took very long but and make it good. Like if Dickhead comes out and it took 10 years and it's a pile of steaming shits...
01:35:21
Speaker
I'm going to so sad. It is the opposite of impressive. It's very bad. It'd be very bad for us. Yeah, because that has such a negative backlash to that, right? Yeah. it's like, it took you 10 years to make that. Yeah, exactly.
01:35:35
Speaker
We're good. we don't need We don't need to talk any further. Yeah. Wow, I never thought, wow, thank you for introducing a new fear into my life. Sorry, buddy. I didn't mean to do that.
01:35:46
Speaker
But at the same time... Wow, yeah, that's a gamble. But the reason I wanted to bring this up and the reason I wanted to talk about this... is the young filmmakers and the other filmmakers out there that see people.
01:35:59
Speaker
i'm I'm a little upset because it does this guy did this a film that's kind of blowing up called Disremember. He's like the only crew member. He did everything alone. And he was like, oh, yeah, I'll be on the show. like Like, let's do it. Let's be on the show. And then he just ghosted me in a sense.
01:36:15
Speaker
Really? Yeah. Yeah. Because this thing started blowing up and he's like, oh, I'm not going to just interview some loser people. And I hate that. Like to me, if whatever happens, if dickhead blows up and we're launched into some stratosphere of people wanting to like interview us, I'm not going to take no unless it's, you know, yeah unless you have a following. I'm kidding.
01:36:39
Speaker
Yeah. My thing is just like, I want to talk to filmmakers about the films that they're making and the people that are being successful because then they can maybe instill some insight.
01:36:51
Speaker
But the thing I wanted to bring up and the reason why I brought, git I'll get back to this, is you see it so often where it's like, hey, I made this short film in two days. Watch it and tell me what you think. And then you watch it and it's like, this is a steaming pile of shit.
01:37:07
Speaker
you You should have spent 40 days. Like, holy crap. I just watched one yesterday because i was, i i know I'm not supposed to do this, but I'm really bad on meetings. When I'm on meetings, I'll just like watch short films instead of like being on the meeting.
01:37:21
Speaker
And then I'll just ask AI to run, summarize the meeting for me. Do you really? yeah So I'm like muted and and I have no camera on it. I'm just like yeah browsing Reddit and watching stuff. Because I really like watching people's short films and other films in general.
01:37:39
Speaker
Because I think it's very insightful. It's good to see what people are doing. But it's like, dude, so many of them are just like, it's like, you it would have been so much better if you had done like five more takes. I remember this guy was like, oh, he had ah it was a cool title. It was like, um the hidden monster at the in the dangerous lake or something. And I was like, oh, that's kind of a keye a cute, cheeky title. let me Let me check out the short.
01:38:04
Speaker
And then I watched the short and I was like, I couldn't make it one minute. But I watched the short and couldn't make it two minutes in because it was so bad. And I was like, you built it up. Like, oh, wow. Like you really accomplished something, but you didn't accomplish dog shit.
01:38:19
Speaker
I mean, I apologize if the filmmaker ever listens to this. And if you want to come on and debate Tom, we're open. You want to fight me? just Don't fight him. He's big.
01:38:30
Speaker
I've seen Wiazu Balthazar. i know. Antonioni. He will strangle you. And then I'm his assist. Yeah. Yeah. Don't worry. i'll Steven plucked her eyes out like that guy did. I'll jump on their back. I couch. I couch.
01:38:48
Speaker
Our Tommy's couching my eyes out.
01:38:53
Speaker
I'll kill him, buddy. But I want to Damn, you said that with such a straight face. That kind of scared me for a little bit. I just want to really. really want to impress upon people that.
01:39:06
Speaker
yeah Taking your time is a good thing. Yeah. also And not only just in production. Like, okay, sure, you have a weekend to make something, shoot it in a weekend. But then, like, edit it for, like, a month, two months. yeah Don't just slap it together and go, here you go, world. Because...
01:39:26
Speaker
You have to think that maybe someone watches. ah You know, that's how what's his name. And this is a kind of tangent. The guy that made Freddy Alvarez or whatever his name is. The guy that did the Evil Dead ah remake. And he did Alien Romulus. I think his name is Freddy Alvarez or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or Freddy. Freddy, Freddy. I don't know. I thought it was Freddy.
01:39:48
Speaker
I don't know, whatever. might be The guy that saidty did that, he confetti he released a short film about these giant robots fighting that he had made all himself and he had worked on it for years and years.
01:39:58
Speaker
And that's what got him to be listed to make that film. And it was presenting things that are so good that you are essentially, and we've said it before, it almost could be our motto, be undeniable.
01:40:11
Speaker
Yeah. If you're undeniable, people, like, it doesn't matter if you have 10,000 views or a million views. But if your shit is that good, people will reach out and you'll that's where the opportunities come from. Well, that's like that guy who did Monster.
01:40:27
Speaker
Yes. And then he went on to do Godzilla right after that. Gareth Edwards. Yeah, and then he's done other things, right? Like get Gareth Edwards. Was it Gareth Edwards or Adam Wingard? I can't remember. I think it's Gareth Edwards.
01:40:39
Speaker
You know, like... And Monster was a really good movie. I don't know if you've seen it. i didn't finish it, but i was I watched like two-thirds of it. And I was like, damn, this is awesome.
01:40:51
Speaker
You know, and then he goes on to do fucking Godzilla. I mean, he fucked it up. But he had a cool element when they halo-jumped into Godzilla. I mean, that movie is Okay.
01:41:05
Speaker
It's okay as okay can get. It's like drinking tap water.
01:41:12
Speaker
Which, you know, it's not always that bad. No, tap water is good. I mean, water is good for you. I don't know if tap water is good for you. Depends where you live. Don't be in Flint, Michigan. Don't be in anywhere in the Midwest. Can you believe Flint, Michigan is like still a thing?
01:41:26
Speaker
I can. That's sad. Look at the fucking government. The world that we live in.