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TSP Ep 137: Are New Movies Good or What You Should Really be Watching
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In this episode, Tom and Steve talk about the latest movies they've seen and the issues new films are facing in a general sense. Then they talk Dick Head and git a little dicky!
So come along with us as we learn a thing or two!
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Are new movies worth watching?
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Try keep it short. I feel like it's short. Some of them. No, yeah. I think so too. It's about our movies good. Our new movies good. No.
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No. But should you still watch them anyway?
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That's sure. That's the question. Because how are you going to find the great ones, right? I think it's also ah
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good to know what is on the pulse
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To have a good idea of like just what people are watching. i mean, maybe in a vacuum, it doesn't really matter because if you get a good movie out there, people will watch and find the good movies, right?
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Yeah. like There's too many people watching movies to not find the good movies. that fair? Yeah. But if everyone has like awful taste...
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Yeah, but the good movies are discovered over time, right? Like a lot of cool movies get appreciation. Like yeah Big Trouble, Little China. That's a cool movie.
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Killer Tomatoes.
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Yeah.
Introducing the Twin Shadows Podcast
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So ah welcome, everyone, to Twin Shadows Podcast. Podcast about film, filmmaking, filmmakers. The show is brought to you, as always, by two slumlords of the East Coast-West Coast west coast cool collaboration, Tom and Steve.
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Collaboration, huh? ah So, buddy, how? You got some of that AI? got some of that. ah How are you doing?
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I'm doing good. Some of that artificial intelligence. Our favorite subject. I
AI's role in filmmaking: Creative threat or tool?
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know. just The thing is that I love is like it's not going away. And people are so mad about it. And it's getting better, right? Where it's like, damn, that's pretty cool. Some of the stuff I've seen, I'm like, damn, this is a... It's different. it's not It's not there where it's replacing, in my mind, like it's not going to make the next Disney movie anytime soon.
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I don't know. It might make the next Coca-Cola. And I think we talked about that where Coca-Cola had their first full AI. Do you think it would make the next Disney movie within the next 10 years?
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Yeah. Okay. That's not that short of a time span. It took us 10 years. That's fast. But in the scope of technology, that's pretty quick. And then what?
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Dickhead 2. Hey, I see this. Yeah, I mean, the thing... Well, the this is kind of prompted on on a news article that I've talked about.
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And it's Natasha Lyonne. You might recognize her from Russian Girl or American Pie. What's the cheerleader movie? Drop Dead Gorgeous?
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No, it's something cheerleader. bring it on. No, it's something I'm a cheerleader. Don't kill me, I'm a cheerleader. Is that it? That one? I don't know. Yeah. They go to cheerleader camp or something, right?
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Yeah, don't kill me, I'm a cheerleader. Yeah. Yeah, that's Natasha Leone. she ah But she's going to be making AI movie.
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an ai movie Yeah. Did you go through that article at all? Yeah, I did. It's kind of interesting. I think it's kind of laughable when they so they try to put those like ah soften it a bit.
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Where it's like it's ah ethical ethically sourced AI. now I'm like, get get out of here. What is it? Your clean oil bullshit. Oh, yeah, because it's all trained on everyone else's stuff, right? It's trained on only copyright free material.
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So the idea is right that AI steals art essentially to train on people without their permission.
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Yeah. um And that's part it's one of these spectrums of issues that people have with it. Yeah. But yeah, there's movies getting a lot of backlash. um The article really tried to sweeten it up, like saying like, oh, you know, it's... You thought so. It's a joke on it. It's a joke, right? It's a satire on why AI is bad and awful.
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Yeah. But I don't know. I'll be interested. I'm not going to watch it. i'll be But maybe will. I don't know. I mean, I think it's always an interesting case. Yeah.
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Because in the article, she said they're just going to use it to do green screen. Yeah. you know But then also at some point, it's doing what everyone is fearing, which is replacing a job.
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Yeah. like That's the number one fear, right? Yeah. It replaces jobs. like I don't know the setup of a green screen or how you are lighting it on that scale. But it might require an extra hand.
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you know And then that's someone's job. But then you know i understand on her side, too, it's like, well, you know I can make my movie a hell of a lot better if I just use it. And you know we're doing that, right? Because we use Topaz?
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We haven't used it yet, technically. Okay. But... um you know Also, some of the audio tools that we've used, the AI to just help clean it up and make life easier. so you know I can understand it to an extent.
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right yeah I don't know. I think the thing that bothers me about it as i've always come from is I've always come from the perspective that we're poor and we can't afford to hire people regardless if we wanted to or not.
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Yeah, it's to some degree. It's almost like people are saying, no, you can't use the tools to make what you want because you're too poor. And like and that's how I hear it sometimes.
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And that's what bothers me about it is if it allows me to be able to create, like, isn't that exciting? So then you're you're good with her doing that?
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I don't really care that much, to be honest. Like, I'm not on this. There's a lot of other things to worry about before we worry about the AI replacing job thing. Even if, though, we use it as a tool to help us with some of our stuff, like we use it to help with these with the podcast or with other filmmaking or whatever, to me, it's a necessity. Like, I'm not going to go back to use, like, a giant, like, 515 crew camera.
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Right. If you need five ACs and all this other stuff, we're not going to go back to that. I mean, those people lost their jobs. So how much like are we really fighting for ah autofocus to not get developed better because ah focus pullers will lose their work? yeah I mean, there's a point to that. But at the same time, i want to use I'm about efficiency is important.
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Yeah. Yeah. And I'm just realistic. Like, if we could get away with a six-person crew, seven-person crew on a film set, I mean, we're not you're going to tell me we're not going to utilize that?
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We're not going to celebrate that? We don't need 100 people to make a movie? That's crazy. um So then with the post team on the movie you're working on now... Yeah.
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Would you use AI if it was like, yeah, here's this good AI program for like coloring that we're getting into? Yeah. ah Yeah, I would use it. Yeah. I mean, we were talking about it earlier. i brought it up a little bit where I was thinking like, damn, if we just color this ourselves, we could save ourselves $5,000 to $10,000. But that's still us doing it, though.
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It's still us doing it. But... that save That money, is good it's not like it's just going away. yeah It's going to be used to oh yeah other things. There's a lot more that we got to spend on. Especially the unforeseen cost that we're running into. Exactly. and it's right like We have to think there's festivals, costs,
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that's that's going to get up into the potentially thousands of dollars. Well, depending on how it looks too, right? Yeah. I mean, it can get real expensive real quick. ah I mean, we really still haven't finished v yeah VFX And definitely not coloring. And it's not something.
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And the thing is with VFX and with like, especially with the comp with composing music, that is something you and I cannot do. I cannot do VFX. I can do like some of the spot removal or some of that, but I cannot, I could not figure out how to get rid of that.
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No, either. Green rectangle. and I mean, when Jorge was talking to us about was like, yeah, man, if that makes sense to you, I'm all for it. I can clean, i can get rid of your reflection in the window if but if we have to. Like, I can do that.
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um The bullet puffs, that ain't me. We're going to have to, we'd to hire someone to do that. But that would be relatively inexpensive for just that one shot to be completed. Yeah, it'd only be like that.
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um You could probably even get away with that for like 200 bucks. Maybe even less. if we're Depending on the quality of But if you had AI, would you? Yeah, absolutely.
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like I said, that $200 is going to go somewhere. well That $500 that we spent yet is going to go somewhere. Also, just the fact that you know we're just doing this out of pocket.
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Yeah, we haven't asked anyone for money. This is just me and you. you know It's nice to save the penny when we can't. Exactly. if it If it was like, well, you can use AI or you can spend $3,000 more dollars.
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three thousand more dollars Yeah. I'm sorry. It just works from the bottom up, huh? I mean, that's the shitty aspect. Would I rather spend the $3,000 to have... But the thing is, too, is like $3,000, no one wants to work on this project for three grand.
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That's true. I mean, everyone we're getting... We're getting... We're getting so much more than they're willing to their value. They're willing to take it on. So that speaks to whatever reason they choose to do that And and that is ah and that's something that's beautiful, right? That's like the thing was like with Adam and Pat. Oh, I think they're just that poor. They're like, yeah, man, give me that $3,000. I need it.
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I did it right now. Can I have it up front? like Maybe that's the case. But at the same time…
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I don't know. it's It's an interesting one because like, yes, you want to use it because there's just some things that are really, really tedious that you can do on your own. You know, and it's like you wouldn't pay anyone for it because you can just do it.
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Save the money there. um But then, yeah, there's an ethical point where i don't think you can. come I don't know.
The economic and ethical implications of AI in film
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I mean, maybe you can.
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Like a full AI movie. Yeah. Like, would you have any qualms against it?
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I mean, to me, it's kind of gross, but at the same time, it's like, yeah, sure. Put it out there, man. I think, it that to me, a full AI movie in that regard would fall under like a fan fiction kind of category.
00:11:29
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yeah It's like a gray area, right? like you're But at some point, they're going to get good. Did you hear of that dead AI theory? Where it's like there's so much proliferation of AI work, it actually starts to get dumber.
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Because then it starts to associate like over time, AI will choose the most popular response. So like if you have dogs and over time, it'll just weed out every other dog and just get to golden retriever.
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And then at some point, all the AI images will just strictly be of golden retriever because that's how to associates dog. Right. um What was my point? I don't know.
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I mean, what's... ah you know You know, there's a point where AI is going to be really good, right? Even if there's a dead theory, there's also that threshold where it's like, yeah, it's pretty good, though. Yeah, it's going to say... the Well, I think like if they laws use the flaw there is that If you are just using blanket statements, yes.
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um But I'm thinking of more like you're going to be able to put in an accurate detailed description of what the dog looks like. It's brown haired, 34 inches long, blah, blah, whatever.
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And it will generate that into space. It'll be a brown haired, 34 inch long golden retriever. yeah Exactly. and it And then you will be able to just keep running through different trials of that until you get to what you want.
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Maybe the human element will save it then. That's the thing is I'm saying i'm thinking it's more of like ah it's an art-assisted tool. like tool But what about still when a toolbrush when it's you just typing in a prompt, this is a movie, not in that deep of terms. You don't got to go that deep because you can't.
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You could have typed up everything you want with it. the It'll encompass an entire film. So you're going like, yeah, give me something like Labyrinth that's like Star Wars and make it...
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you know Then it's going to generate all of that for you. And you're like, yeah, that's good enough. And then you put that out there. What do you think of that movie? I think it's interesting because i don't think that's going to ever like qualify. as I'm never going to watch the Labyrinth Star Wars porno in the theaters. But what if it's really good?
00:13:48
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No, that's what's awesome is that I think there will be a lot of cool shit like this. yeah but You're going to see a lot of things where it's like Indiana Jones is going to be in Mandy. yeah or right i like it It's going to be like like old Flash Internet for a while where every weird random thing you can ah imagine is going to be created.
00:14:11
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And you're going to see Smurfs in Star Wars and you're going to see... i go vampire movies starring Bill Murray and Ted Danson with, you know, heads coming out of their asses. Like, who knows? The world, everything's going to be possible. and that's And that's a little exciting because you're going to be, we're going to see some really weird shit. You're gonna see how fucking weird people are.
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But then it's going to, you're right. There's going to be a narrowing down of popular, through popularity and, and things like that. But a lot of people are going to make their names for making weird shit. And I think that's going to be kind of cool. ah As long as... Would you watch an hour and a half long movie of Ted Danson and Bill Murray as vampires with their heads up their asses?
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Yes. You would? Hour and a half? Maybe not. Yeah, I would do like maybe 30 minutes at most. Yeah. 15. As short as you could get. Right, but once you... Imagine how good... Like... ah Dude, it's going to be scary.
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It's going to be scary because... you're going to people will just start making random shit, especially if it's going to be easy. ah if it just runs in the background, you just type in your prompt, it generates, and then you just tweak it from there.
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You don't need like a super strong computer to host it or anything like that. But is that physically possible? I don't know. i mean shit We're talking like decades from now, probably, before it's that good. Before we start seeing Tom Cruise in remakes of...
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movies that Tom Cruise and all these Kung Fu movies right ah the Vega Brothers movie is gonna happen yeah that'd be cool and you're gonna have young John Travolta and young Michael Madsen and it's gonna look and sound just like them and it's gonna be written like if it was written by Tarantino but it was gonna be but it's all gonna be done by a computer that read every Tarantino script and you think it'll get that good no I don't think it'll be a get that good but you're gonna see some weird shit i'm hoping i guess maybe it's optimism that it would get good.
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And it could be good. Because don't you replace a human though you want to see ah Ninja Scroll, but instead of anime characters, it's a live action remake of your choice of act of characters. and and then The Rock is that weird ninja.
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Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't know either. i want to say i want to say there's I'm optimistic that it could be awesome. But I have a sinking suspicion that it's going to be used so nefariously that doesn't really matter.
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And the nefarious aspect of it is that well that's a bigy part big companies will stop paying for people to do stuff. ah we watched I took Luke to go see Minecraft and we stayed for the credits because there's an after credits scene.
00:17:04
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there must have been 600 names in the VFX category. yeah Maybe not 600, but 100, 200 maybe. I mean, it's just a wall of text of VFX x people people for a minute, maybe. Just a wall of text is scrolling VFX names.
00:17:22
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I'm just thinking, all those jobs are going to be replaced by someone clicking a button and letting a computer run it. And that's kind of sad, but at the same time, That's just kind of the way things go.
00:17:35
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yeah the only hope is that that that that then that VFX artist and learns how to type at the prop, too. Look at this, though. like where are like what is where is it What's your stance on that?
00:17:48
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Like these mega farms of these just VFX artists just painting out things. and Well, obviously, probably work conditions aren't as best you know when they're going exact out of country and shit.
Resurgence of traditional methods and nostalgia in media
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But it's interesting you mentioned that because I did see this video on Facebook. This guy did shorts through AI. it's just like a utopian looking society or maybe a dystopian, but futuristic like that.
00:18:14
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Still nice. And the way the robots looked and the machines in the background, dude, it looked better than any CGI I've ever seen. I mean, it looked real. It was like at a higher frame rate and it just was, it looked real. It was like, oh shit, I've seen something in real life. That's how good the video looked.
00:18:32
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That's better than any CGI I've ever seen. You know, this is through AI. So you can't do stunning stuff like that. That's going to replace people. It is. It's going to replace systems. Like, not just people, but like software companies who create this VFX shit.
00:18:53
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You know, and it's going to be like holding on to practical effects. I mean, maybe practical effects will bump in that respect. but That's what I'm excited excited for. is ah That's a little too optimistic, though, I think. I don't think so, because it's going to be like vinyl.
00:19:07
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Everything went digital, and then people were like, they felt the craving, and then vinyl made this huge resurgence. But what about CDs in the meantime, man? I think the thing is, is CDs are too intermediary. Like, there's no physical...
00:19:20
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like connection to CDs. yeah I'm sure there are people out there that the millennials out there that are like, CD, I have all my CDs still. like I still play my CD player. It's like, no one cares.
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i mean...
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I got my collection. shit We're getting there. I'm sure. wellll right It just hasn't been long enough. Maybe people start going crazy over CDs once there's no more vinyl. They kind of are. CDs are making a little bit of a comeback.
00:19:44
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And it's just physical media is kind of having a ah small resurgence ah other than the fact that no one can afford anything anymore. But I think you see that because... Could it be a transition?
00:19:57
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I think it's... Or do you think it would be destructive? The thing, though, is that that is just it will age out. What? Owning the CD? Yeah, it's like, yeah, this is kind of lame. AI just turns it on my computer. Maybe like our kids' generation, they will be like, okay, CDs are kind of cool. But maybe they're not going to be as inclined to do vinyl.
00:20:20
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And then the next generation's not going to do But maybe won't. I don't know. But I'll say this. Also, we don't know how they're going to... take on the new world, right? Because it's so crazy with what can happen technologically-wise, right?
00:20:33
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Like some schools, some instructors are having their kids write on pen and paper or pencil and paper an essay now, you know? Instead of, yeah, you can take it home and type it up on your computer or whatever. Like that's been taken away because of AI chat tools.
00:20:48
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yeah Why would you do schoolwork when the fucking computer can it for you And I've done it. you know I'm like, well, lip tell me this info. you know I don't know if it's true, but I'm like, sure, AI, I'm sure you're right. You know, the funny thing is someone could just have a ah the chatbot still write their paper and they just write it ah you know word for word from the screen. If they memorize it, though.
00:21:08
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But either way, you know, like maybe because everything, like even the AI... um picture sex thing, right?
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Like, you're not going to want to take pictures and send them to anyone anymore because then going to have, like, find yourself with big tits on, like, some Reddit page, you know, and you're like, hey, that's me! And it probably won't even matter.
00:21:29
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You'll just be able to... Well, maybe it won't, but what I'm saying is maybe... You're going to have an app and you can drop all your friends in there and it's going to make, like, accurate pictures. Of course, it'll be fake, but you might... I don't know.
00:21:44
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Yeah. But I don't think you'd want that out there as a kid. You don't want that out there. but so But what I'm saying is maybe they'll go to like flip phones and shit. Because I heard those were taking an uptick.
00:21:55
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And then maybe they won't send photos. They'll be like, only on film. You know? Only Polaroids you could have now. Maybe. i mean, there might be a small percentage of that. But my point was...
00:22:10
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ah the generations are going to become more and more accustomed. They'll be more accustomed to AI-generated content. It won't be this weird, uncanny valley to go back to the article, which is the name of the film. It's it's not going to be a weird, uncanny valley to them because it's going to be just the valley for them.
00:22:30
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For us, we lived in the real world before all the... right Pretty soon you're not going to be interacting with AI ah chatbots and things like that more than you do with real people.
00:22:42
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They're not going to have a person standing behind a counter. It's going to be an AI chatbot on the screen and you're going to say questions and it's going to talk back to you. And it's going to have an amalgamation of a human soul, but it's not going to be human soul. It's going to be a fucking...
00:22:56
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just who You know, it's ah just a fucking monster un in a box. but you're But that's optimism for you. It is. it's ah it's not It's both.
00:23:08
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Because that's the dark side. The dark side is... Give me some of the good. but you know the dark. The good is this.
00:23:17
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Quite simply, it's going to make life easier. yeah But do you think that'll be equally dispersed? No. Nothing is. yeah But we yeah this is the only time that trickle-down works is with technology.
00:23:34
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Because you get like hand-me-downs, right? Yeah. It used to be that only the real rich and wealthy had computers in their home. yeah You couldn't afford to have a desktop or… Like the first time you knew someone who had a computer, like, oh shit, you got computer? You got some games on there? Yeah. Oh my god. You got that monkey throwing a grenade?
00:23:54
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Holy shit. Yeah. Like with consoles too. Yeah. And with consoles, right? It's like, oh, you got a Sega? I never played one. And now it's like, I can just steal every single game I want for free, you know what I'm saying? And play all those Sega games.
00:24:08
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Because I mean, anyone who had a new game, it was just like, oh shit, you got this game? yeah You know, and even if it wasn't a game you liked, you still played it, you know? Because it was yeah just a new game. You got that Super Metroid?
00:24:20
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Yeah. ah But yeah, right? So there that will trickle down. and That will trickle down. People that will never have never ever step foot in a studio system will be able to make films with Mark Hamill.
00:24:35
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They'll be able to make films with Harrison Ford. They'll be able to make films with just any actor that's under the sun. um I mean, yes, of course, it's just going to be like 99% Lucy loop porn for a long time, but ah We'll survive that.
00:24:52
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And then there that is not that's cool. That's cool. It's going to make things easier for people. But that doesn't necessarily mean easy is good. So i don't you might not be able to equate that.
00:25:04
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That's fair. That's a good point. um That doesn't mean easy is good. Yeah. Easy doesn't necessarily mean good. I mean, there will be a point where we will will be so reliant Do you think it'll be like WALL-E?
00:25:16
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Do you remember in WALL-E they're in a spaceship and they just sit there? we're closer We're heading closer to WALL-E than anything and ah in a sense. ah People don't... Why would you want to think or interact?
00:25:28
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I mean, I i want to for me. It's fun to work on dickhead. Think about that, right? Yeah, it is. So people have that natural, i think, inclination to want to do Yeah, but we're of a different time. it might be we're not We haven't been inundated like that. I think that's just human nature, man.
00:25:45
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That's what's beautiful about humanity is the masterpieces we create, right? And we create them through hard work. You're thinking in such a a Luddite way. this is I'm thinking we've never we're never we haven't even seen how different it will be yet.
00:26:02
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Oh, of course not. And the thing is, it will be so alien to us, but so natural to the new generations. That's what I'm saying. the Our kids' grandkids will be so used to talking to non-humans yeah that they will probably lose the distinction between talking with people and robots.
00:26:27
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Okay. yeah Is that good or bad? I don't know. It's definitely the dystopian because we're losing who we're losing our humanity in a sense. said you don't focus on the good.
00:26:40
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oh yeah. Yeah. but You see, Dickhead 2 will be able to come out. You'll get to see Dickhead 2. Good for you. ah But yeah, the the good, right? like Eventually, shitty jobs that no one wants to do will be done by robots.
00:26:55
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That's great. Yeah, but then that's when we're not getting money for it. Yeah, we're going to have to figure that out. That's the the scariest part. Do you think we will?
00:27:06
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No.
00:27:09
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No. Because the problem is is people, ah humans don't react unless like physically threatened.
00:27:20
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Because people, right? Look at Trump right now. He just says and does whatever he wants. Yeah. And there's no ramifications. Yeah. He's setting a precedent and that will be tried.
00:27:31
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that will People will be trying to mimic that from now on until it's forgotten. That's the scariest part. Because he can just say whatever he wants. and Wait, what happened to the good? Oh, yeah.
00:27:45
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Maybe AI will kill Trump. i All right. ah Speaking of ah losses.
Cinema vs. streaming: The evolution of movie consumption
00:27:53
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The box office. yeah I wanted to talk about this a little bit because I thought it was a little interesting.
00:27:59
Speaker
I was going to look up. I had the article and it has all the... Because it discusses five films, right? Five of the blockbuster. Furiosa, Kraven. Madame Web.
00:28:10
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Is it Madame Web? No. Megalopolis. Megaflopolis. Megaflopolis. Megaflopolis. Oh, The Joker. The Joker 2, Fuliadu, and Borderlands.
00:28:26
Speaker
Borderlands. And those all bombed. Bad. Yeah. And was that this year or last Last year. Okay. And those were like the biggest bombs? Yeah.
00:28:37
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Because it gives the costs of them and it shows how much millions they lose on these films. Some of them were... I think one of them... I think it was Borderlands. It's like a hundred something million. Because then Red Letter Media also came out with this video where they discuss this.
00:28:53
Speaker
Yeah. And they have some awesome points so people should check that out. But... um They were also showing this year's... ah Check us out first. They were also showing this year's films with these mid-budget movies that are also bombing out, right? Like Companion. um i don't know how Novocaine did. That did better, but... No, it didn't.
00:29:14
Speaker
That didn't do better. Mickey 17. and was That bombed out. Snow White.
00:29:22
Speaker
Snow White didn't bomb? But that's not a mid-tier. Snow White still made money. Did it? think. Maybe worldwide? but you But you still have this shaky um the shaky box office now for major theaters.
00:29:40
Speaker
Yeah. um So I think that's that's an interesting look, is that it just seems like it's bombing everywhere. Yeah. Right? The IPs aren't holding up like they you would think they would. mean...
00:29:53
Speaker
i mean I don't think Captain America did that well. I think it was a profit, but not like yeah what Avengers our Marvel has been doing. I don't remember hearing anything about it. you know And then there there were some like fun mid-tier movies that... If I had a choice between... um Avengers or Captain and America or Novocaine.
00:30:19
Speaker
I'd probably choose Novocaine or even Companion. What about, did you see The Monkey? Or The Monkey. i like The Monkey. Oh, The Monkey. was like, oh God, Oz Perkins. I loved it. i was like, oh God, I don't know if I love it or hate it, but oh my gosh. It's, uh, I like it because it's just a joke.
00:30:36
Speaker
The whole movie is just a fucking absurdist comedy. It's, uh, it's i there's no pretension to be had because every everyone is so fucking weird. I guess ah in a way it's very pretentious. it does pretend there was There were some moments where I was like, yes, because I did laugh a few times. No, it made me laugh, which is a feat for films.
00:30:59
Speaker
And then there were some moments where I was like, oh gosh. But still, you know like I'd rather see that in a theater, personally. Yeah. Yeah. But not even those are being seen.
00:31:10
Speaker
So it's like the cinephiles who want to see something in like a theater aren't going. And neither are the ah people who just want to have that escape to and have fun like with your Marvel films.
00:31:25
Speaker
You know, like these big IPs that are fun. Because you're getting to see all your shit continued on. and And then these other movies where it's like, okay, maybe. you know Because i did see we did see one with my family. i didn't get to finish it because one of the babies started crying. But it's like this woman...
00:31:44
Speaker
who's kind of spoilerish. Her kid dies and she wants to kill herself. And then this guy wants to kill her. And then it's like she's fighting for her life.
00:31:56
Speaker
And it's just like this thriller of him trying to kill her and she's getting away from him. And then, of course, she discovers she wants to live. But it was just this small little movie on streaming.
00:32:07
Speaker
And it was tight. It was like on Netflix or something. It was just like this tight little cool movie. You know remember what it was called? No, I don't. Of course not. But it was it was really good. All right.
00:32:19
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um Damn, what was my point? I don't know what my point was. No, your point was that you would rather watch these little smaller movies than essentially watch these giant, super expensive blockbusters that aren't good and don't really have the same kind of impact. You would rather watch the little movie with the the dead baby girl.
00:32:40
Speaker
um no Yeah, and and neither movie is doing good. because you know you sometimes i mean There was a time when I was seeing those Marvel movies in theaters. I think that was probably the last time I saw them. Well, I think we get into a little bit too, but do you even like go to the movies anymore?
00:32:56
Speaker
i can't. Yeah. By circumstance, but. Exactly. If I could, I did. And that's still like one of the easy getaways. So I feel like, I think theater, we talked about this before, but I think theaters are going to take a major hit.
00:33:12
Speaker
You know, it's what this box office reveals. Because like you mentioned last time too, you said there's no AMC theaters up here. ye But I think the theater will always exist because that's just a beautiful way to watch film. right It's a good, it's a solid activity.
00:33:31
Speaker
Yeah. As long as it doesn't become too unaffordable, it's a solid thing to do. it's It's easy. It's non-confrontational. You just sit in a dark room and you experience magic.
00:33:46
Speaker
But when you say non-confrontational too, I mean, what about the chicken jockey? Chicken jockey. Oh, God. Would you? Because that kind of sounds fun, man. If someone threw a chicken at my head, be like, oh, shit, I got hit with the chicken.
00:33:59
Speaker
I think the thing with the the problem the thing that I don't like about the whole chicken jockey thing is that it lost its organic nature when it when becomes a meme.
00:34:12
Speaker
Yeah. i when we went I saw it ah not opening day, but the day after opening day. So people weren't doing the- No one said chicken jockey? People were going- their Kids were getting very excited.
00:34:24
Speaker
Oh. When like stuff was popping up on screen. like The kids would be like, oh my, I know that, right? It's like when- Five Nights at Freddy's. It's like when you watch The Wizard and he plays ah Double Dragon. yeah I know Double Dragon. That's mine. I i know Mario 3.
00:34:43
Speaker
ah No one watched The Wizard, but- So maybe that's something. But right, it's ah it's ah it's an emotionally impactful thing for kids because this, and not only kids, but ah yeah then just the younger generations are really into Minecraft. Well, also we had it better, right? We had Transformers, G.I. Joe. We had a better. little younger, so Ninja Turtles. Ninja Turtles, yep.
00:35:06
Speaker
And i was like, oh shit, that's cool. We were a Ninja Turtles. got to get my little Ninja Turtle micromachine version in Leonardo's head. And i can open it up and play on a battlefield.
00:35:16
Speaker
It would be so cool. Yeah. And then we could get like... But we had cooler shit, huh? I think that's the worst part is just the corporatism of it all. That it's kind of leading to dumbing it down because it's hitting the wider the widest demographic possible. Yeah.
00:35:31
Speaker
You know, because you don't have to try that hard to get me excited like if you did Godzilla. Yeah. you know We could talk about it, but... you know you Hold on, let me ask you something. Have you been keeping up or ah following along with the Final Fantasy magic stuff?
00:35:47
Speaker
Yes. Because it's selling out everywhere. Yeah, it's doing insane. ah Right. Because so cool. And it's it's cool, right? Like, you want those fucking cards. I want Clouded Tifa. I pick you with Tifa.
00:35:59
Speaker
Finally, I'm tapping her. Kefka, Chocobos, Moogles. Yeah. i Terra, Celis, Sabin, fucking Cain from Cain and Cecil and fucking, right? Like, Cactuar. It's it' like our dream, right? its like Well, same thing with the Godzilla one, right?
00:36:21
Speaker
Yeah. And it appeals to us very easily. They didn't have to try that hard because I don't know if those sets were very good in this episode. Final Fantasy set also seems lame because it feels like a cash grab.
00:36:32
Speaker
Well, Ikoria kind of sucked, right? Mutate was stupid. Yeah, it was a little bit, right? You didn't feel like Godzilla. No. so I mean, though, it's very on theme, Mutate yeah and Godzilla. But also with the Final Fantasy, have you seen the leaks?
00:36:49
Speaker
Yeah. Because those cards don't look cool. And this is going to be like standard. Okay, we're getting kind of deep in here. are This going to be standard playable, too. It's not just a limited, like, Lord of the Rings. Is it standard? Yeah.
00:37:02
Speaker
Like, Lord of the Rings was cool because it was older formats yeah that are more powerful. You're telling me we're going to have... You're going to have Cloud in your, like, Phyrexian deck. No, what mean is you're going to have Cactuar Fling decks?
00:37:13
Speaker
Yes, because they hit for 99. 9,099-999999. yeah nine thousand ninety nine and and and and and nine Yeah, but then they have, there's that instant speed, the the story card.
00:37:25
Speaker
I don't know. The one that's like you can ah play. I reversed the damage. It's a black red. Yeah. It's a black red and the the story is red and the creature is black.
00:37:36
Speaker
And the red, the story part or the adventure part is ah flinging. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You just fling it and you win. And you're going to see that. Which, you know, on one hand, it's cool.
00:37:49
Speaker
But on the other hand, it's kind of like, oh, man, like, oh, that's fucking lame. That's gross. It's going to into gruel mice deck. And that's dumb. But it's hitting us, right? It's grabbing us into what they're already going to make money on.
00:38:01
Speaker
So it's pulling us back in. Just like you're pulling us back into this podcast.
00:38:08
Speaker
I think.
00:38:10
Speaker
Well, I said you were pulling us back in. But yeah, you know, so so if you make it as just pal palpable, palatable, as palatable as possible, you're going to hit a large demographic.
Corporate impact on creativity in the film industry
00:38:25
Speaker
um And you don't have to try hard. Do you think if the movies were better, people would go more? I know I would. I mean, I would be more excited to see a Star Wars movie.
00:38:37
Speaker
Because if Star Wars was as good as it was for four, five, and six, you know, if it was always a six from Star Wars, you know, episode six, I'd want to see all of them.
00:38:48
Speaker
I'd be like, hell yeah. Yeah, you got me. I'm watching the TV. But how can you do that, right? Because Star Wars is lightning in a bottle. And that's the gross thing because they're still trying to ride that lightning and it's so effective.
00:39:01
Speaker
that Yeah, it struck deep. Right? Because depending on how you hit it hits you, you're sticking with it. Yeah. And now that's one of the things I think I've been just coping with too is just giving up on these IPs. I don't have to watch this shit. but That's one of the beautiful things is, man, the the catalog of films that we still have to watch is so deep.
00:39:26
Speaker
It's so deep. It's so diverse. And it's so exciting. Every time I watch a new movie, I watched Working Man with Jason Statham, which is essentially Man on Fire, but Jason Statham is in the movie.
00:39:42
Speaker
yeah um And it's not bad, but it's just a product. It's not... I know people were probably worked their asses off making that as good as they could make it.
00:39:57
Speaker
and kudos to them because at least that movie... Knows what it is. It's not trying to be. It was enjoyable. Yeah. It's not trying to be anything it's not.
00:40:08
Speaker
Yeah. It's Jason Statham and he's killing people because he has to get the the girl back. And he's doing it in the best way possible, right? I don't want to kill people, but I guess I got no choice. You make me kill you. Stop making me kill all of you. I told you to fucking back off, mate.
00:40:28
Speaker
You did it back off. So now I've got... To fucking put two bolts in your head. You went too far, so now you gotta to die. It's like, yeah, get him. You did go too far. Yeah, exactly, right? And then he just goes, and then Jason Statham takes it way too far. He rips out his Adam's apple.
00:40:47
Speaker
He's just like, fucking killing them, torturing them, and then he's killing their kids. Goddamn. I told you. And then he gets, and the girl ain't even dead. He gets her back.
00:40:58
Speaker
It's like, hey, you know, that kind of reminds me of a movie. It's called Bull. I seen Bull. Did you like it? The end goes like crazy. well He's literally possessed by a demon. he's up He came back from hell. Yeah, exactly.
00:41:11
Speaker
His revenge was so ferocious. He came back from hell. And it's like, whoa, you went there? But like before it maybe gets to that, I don't know.
00:41:22
Speaker
It's fucking a good movie, man. It's like, holy shit, this guy's psycho. Yeah, Bull's awesome. Don't fuck with this dude. Yeah, he just burns that dude alive in the caravan. And then you realize, wait, he ain't normal.
00:41:36
Speaker
Something's amiss here. yeah But that movie movie was cool. Yeah, it was. That's a good movie to see. But that leads, because you gave the perfect segue, that leads into the fact that, you know, and I've gotten here where I was watching all of these new movies.
00:41:53
Speaker
And then at some point, I'm just like, fuck this, man. I'm just going to watch the older stuff. And I pretty much just been watching older movies since then. And it's just been such a delight, such a refreshing delight.
00:42:06
Speaker
So with the next topic, do you think you have to go back? Because Spielberg said the greatest American film is The Godfather.
00:42:19
Speaker
And there's another film that exists that's called Citizen Kane. But, you know, i've I definitely heard people say The Godfather. And, you know, when you look back at older films, like, you watch them, you say, yeah, that's pretty damn good. That is a good movie.
00:42:35
Speaker
So how do you feel about that, you know, maybe going back to older films and then also what Steven Spielberg said? Yeah, so ah Coppola won some Lifetime Achievement Award, um and George Lucas and Spielberg were there, and they gave it to him because they have history. There's history there.
00:42:54
Speaker
Because they came up together, right? They all came up together. Zoetrope Films by So they went to UCLA together, right? No. Kind of. Not Spielberg, right? No.
00:43:05
Speaker
um But they kind of just came up like just making movies together. and like Well, it was three, right? It was Coppola, Lucas... And Spielberg. And then there was a bunch of others, too. Yeah, the film brats. Brian De Palma is in that isn't that. Jesus Christ, man. That class, right?
00:43:24
Speaker
Yeah, and pretty crazy. The 70s. Yeah. yeah But so, right, Spielberg presents the award. and Talked about Godfather being so great.
00:43:35
Speaker
yeah And I mean, it's so funny because The Godfather is about immigrants and Italians. And it's like, wow, it is such an American kind of movie in a sense. Oh, yeah.
00:43:47
Speaker
But oh i call I saw those fuckers. Okay, that shit's so scary. It is very scary.
00:43:56
Speaker
Yeah, dude, I just keep thinking, well, one day I'll get Steven's house once he gets sent back to Mexico. All right. Yeah, Steven, buy another drive. You got it. No, don't worry about the debt. You're fine. Trust me. Don't worry. You're not going to worry about the debt.
00:44:12
Speaker
No, you won't. but They won't be able to find you. ah Sorry, that's not funny. ah But The Godfather. In reality, The Godfather is like a mad magnificent...
00:44:27
Speaker
Opus. It's such a great little film. um Yeah, you're right. There's probably better American films, but if if we had to pick one, i mean, at least we could just say The Godfather.
00:44:41
Speaker
i mean, there are better films than The Godfather, of course. Interesting. But that film, it's so it's so American and in a way. Yes, it is. It fits the Zeitgeist so naturally to us, right? I mean, people still quote it, right?
00:44:57
Speaker
off him ah Give him an offer he can't refuse and stuff like that, right? I feel like it's so and so ingrained in, like you said, the zeitgeist. It's so ingrained in the pop culture that it's you don't even recognize the references anymore because everyone... It's like Psycho. It's like... ah we Everyone knows that.
00:45:24
Speaker
Well, not only that, but right the shower. yeah It's like The Shining. like There's so many other of these films. like Any Kubrick film, like I would say Kubrick is probably a better filmmaker than Coppola. because copla Coppola's got some great films.
00:45:39
Speaker
But I mean Kubrick was almost like every single film was just like, damn. Damn. Damn. You keep hitting them out of the park, huh? Yeah. Even his bad stuff. It's just like, damn. You still hit that out the park. I will say because I watched Killer's Kiss um because it was on that list because we were trying to do another film review list.
00:45:58
Speaker
And I was watching Killer's Kiss and damn, man. Fucking Kubrick. That's his second film. And
00:46:08
Speaker
I thought I'd seen it, but I never i never watched it. Damn, it was fucking so goddamn solid. The writing, everything. It's just... it's ah It's wonderful for what is essentially like a low-budget Kubrick film. I mean, it's low-budget. It was made for like $9.
00:46:27
Speaker
Maybe a little more than that, but... I mean, The Godfather. It's great. i There's no shade I could throw in The Godfather. I mean... it's if it's not in your If it's not in the top 10 from films of all time, i don't know. i mean
00:46:47
Speaker
I understand that people could not be interested in it. there's very It's very much a movie probably made for men, in a sense. like I'm sure there women that like The Godfather, of course. That would be stupid to say otherwise.
00:47:03
Speaker
But what I'm thinking is,
00:47:07
Speaker
you can watch the Godfather and, and just really appreciate the craftsmanship. Every, I mean,
00:47:19
Speaker
beautiful, beautiful film.
00:47:24
Speaker
Godfather. Magnificent film. Buddy, do you you have anything else to say about The Godfather? or are we going into the main discussion? No, I think he summed it all up. All right.
00:47:35
Speaker
Film and you are our main discussion. If a million people see my movie, I hope they see a million different movies. Quentin Tarantino.
00:47:49
Speaker
Well, that's a quote.
00:47:52
Speaker
All right. Okay, so I'll just go bullet point by bullet point. And we'll see what happens. All right. right buddy. Have you seen... Well, we've kind of already talked about this.
00:48:03
Speaker
Yeah. um But recent films. Have you seen anything recently that kind of called out to you? ah Yeah, I saw Wings of Desire. Is that the same director who does Parrish, Texas?
00:48:14
Speaker
I don't know. I don't know either. But I saw that. Again, I've just been watching older movies. And... It's really good. ah My mentor, he said it goes it gets a little too schmaltzy, is what he said. And it certainly does get a little too sentimental in the very end.
00:48:34
Speaker
But throughout, it's a really awesome film. and And that's what's been calling out to me. I know we talk about this a little later, but I showed Sophia the Wizard of Oz.
00:48:46
Speaker
And I hadn't seen it a while. i was like, hey, you guys should watch the... What is it? Wicked. Because that wasn't too bad. and they're like, nah, let's watch The Wizard of Oz.
00:48:59
Speaker
And it was like, damn, man, that movie just, that's a great movie too. You know, like you're talking about The Godfather. It's like, damn, The Wizard of Oz is a great movie. That's a happy movie.
00:49:10
Speaker
yeah a movie As sad as it is because cause a Dorothy's an orphan, you know? And she's like, there is no place like her. It's a beautiful movie. But it it's so wholesome in that she knows that she has ah home and a family. And she's really got it quite nice. like She doesn't really have anything they ask for.
00:49:32
Speaker
And you know, when you talk about a movie and a zeitgeist, I mean, The Wizard of Oz is definitely there. Oh, absolutely. As far as American films. So that's a big statement from Spielberg. But, um you know, i was watching that movie i was like, damn, this is so good. I think it was restored, a restored version. So i was like, damn, this is beautiful.
00:49:51
Speaker
It's so beautiful. Just all the techniques and everything they employed. And, you know, what that I've been moving away from newer films and just watching the older ones because, you know, I watched the Gone with the Wind recently for the full time first time.
00:50:08
Speaker
And I was like, yeah, I can see why people would say it's the issue, right? You never want to show this the South is such a good light. But damn, is that if that's the greatest epic, in my opinion. That's the greatest epic film.
00:50:20
Speaker
Because it is like, fuck. Really? Yeah. And they do so many like cool things with the set design and lighting and the cinematography. It's just a um ah masterpiece of a film.
00:50:32
Speaker
And it's been awesome to watch just the older films. Like I want to watch King Kong. I want to show her King Kong because I think that's like the film I got introduced to. And it's like, damn. You know?
00:50:44
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Like with Peter Jackson, because he said that was his film. It's like, yeah, man, King Kong's cool. Yeah, King Kong. Dude, the thing is, you know, we it's so funny because, you know, we spent a lot of the first part of the podcast talking about AI and...
00:51:06
Speaker
How cool it would be, essentially, to see all this like- AI King Kong with Godzilla? No, you fucker! No, just say all this cool shit, right? yeah The potential.
00:51:18
Speaker
Yeah. But fuck, is there not something to say about the craftsmanship and ingenuity of filmmaking and- I will say that is probably where modern films i really lack is that they just don't feel...
00:51:40
Speaker
it
00:51:43
Speaker
how do I say this without sounding like such an asshole? But they just aren't artistic. Yeah. I mean, even like the little indie films that are supposed to be the artistic films, they struggle to me because so often they're tied down by homage or paying tribute to x Y, or Z or...
00:52:10
Speaker
Right? like i yeah i I'm not making my movie. I'm making my movie because I love Warcon I'm making my movie because when I was 17, I watched Donnie Darko and now I have to make weird, edgy movies yeah for the rest of my life because I watched Donnie Darko when i was 17 and it like stuck in my brain. or i was 14 when you know I snuck into the video store and I rented Pulp Fiction and I took it home and I watched the whole thing and oh my God, I got blown. It fucking shaped my mind and I'll never be able to make something as great or as grand, but I'm going to try as hard as I can to make Pulp Fiction.
00:52:49
Speaker
Yeah. Those guys aren't doing that. Yeah. Nobody, and that's kind of why like Oscar Perkins in a sense, because he does that a little bit.
00:53:01
Speaker
yeah But at the same time, he's just like, going to just do whatever the fuck I want. Which you got to commend for, too, though. I mean, I will say... ah
00:53:15
Speaker
What's it called? It's a bit hacky. um
00:53:20
Speaker
The ah long leg, it's a bit hacky. But it's well made. um writing's shit. He started a haunt song Gretel. yeah.
00:53:32
Speaker
He knows how to set up an image. But there was... mean, maybe really there was something to cocaine and drugs and shit in movies. I don't know. like Movies, they feel so sterilized.
00:53:46
Speaker
Movies feel so sterilized. Well, that's why i say they're just so corporatized, right? Because it's about making that profit. Because what's more beneficial? Making... um King Kong well yeah I guess make yeah literally making King Kong again yeah yeah well kick because I mean if you go back to 1933 and you ask the crew working on King Kong they're going to be like well you know we're doing a job we're trying to make money but they're also don't know I don't know what how to explain it but there is something about capturing something on the screen yeah ah
00:54:27
Speaker
I don't know what it is. for Like you said, ah you saw an AI video that looked better than any CGI you'd ever seen. I've never... I mean, other than... their cgi is such a...
00:54:42
Speaker
vague and broad term, right? CGI can refer to removing ah a line that's attached to someone, a microphone on their collar.
00:54:54
Speaker
It refers to replacing a background from being blue to green. and A Mexican in the reflection of feeling. Adding a light that never existed. it it refers to ah right replacing...
00:55:11
Speaker
you know and enough You know, making a fireball or or ah adding ah a license plate number to a car. I mean, no ah don it does all these things.
00:55:25
Speaker
Yeah. It does all those things, right? So you can't, you don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater here. But I i kind of do it in a sense when I just say like that films were better when they weren't handicapped by the ease of computers.
00:55:42
Speaker
So then the ease of filmmaking? I will say, and I know it's not fair, but there are no, like, in my mind, there are no, like, great, no, there has not been a single great movie since probably 2019. And I'm going to go with Parasite.
00:56:01
Speaker
Yeah. Drive My Car came close. um it's It's good. But nothing has... I haven't seen anything that I would... In the past couple of years, I can't think of anything I would put it as a 9 or a 10 out of 10.
00:56:17
Speaker
There have been a lot of eights There have been a lot of great films. But I haven't seen anything like Parasite since... And that was 2019, 2018. um i don't Maybe i'm there's something I'm missing.
00:56:30
Speaker
I'm sure there's something I've loved... but Like Dogman. I didn't watch Dogman. I did 2019. So then... Is it safe to say no movies now have called out to you?
00:56:45
Speaker
Not like that. not why I mean, I've enjoyed movies. I mean, i get a kick out of watching them because it's interesting to see... um But people are watching.
00:56:56
Speaker
People love these films. So maybe it's just me and I'm i'm fine with that. I'm fine ah being like the odd man out there. Yeah. And in that sense, I mean, I don't really care. like People love those Terrifier movies. I don't. ah People love ah what came out recently that people really loved that I didn't like. Minecraft.
00:57:18
Speaker
No, that was fine. for Mario. That was fine too. I'm thinking more along the lines of like all the people. John Wick. All the people like in a violent nature or the people that I mostly think in horror movies because like.
00:57:33
Speaker
I would say Get Out. Get Out. Get Out's great, but it's not. It's not like that. It's not Psycho. It's not Parasite. So, you know, because I did want to ask you this. Yeah, let's do it. And I'll loop back around.
00:57:48
Speaker
it You know, I've always thought of that statement, art is dead. Do you think that's extended to cinema? I think it has, at least right now, maybe.
00:57:59
Speaker
i think it's, well, it's always been half in a half-life You think it's always been kind of dead? yeah I think it's always been. I don't know. Because look at like King Kong and Georges Millet. Because they were still exploring what could be done in the first place.
00:58:17
Speaker
That's fair. But I will also say that those people probably made millions. Not millions, but they made their... They all made money yeah off of doing this. Well, did Georges Millet end up pretty bad?
00:58:33
Speaker
I'm sure of people... But he had a lot of money. I'm sure a lot of people... People get paid to do this shit. That's all I'm saying. yeah And then that's... It's been a business and a big business for a very long time. yeah Right?
00:58:46
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Some of the greatest films of all time, they're not... They were made because there was a potential to make money off them. Deer Hunter wasn't just a movie. yeah It's a movie. It's a great film. Safety with King Kong, right? Like, that wasn't just a movie just to be about...
00:59:01
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man are the beast loved the man or something like that, right? Yeah, the the beauty. The beauty killed the beast. yeah No, right? like That's the thing with film is because of the effort involved, the artistic endeavor involved, you have to have a return on that profit.
00:59:21
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And that's interesting. Certainly, it's interesting ah because it's never been...
00:59:30
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about just making art. I'm sure there are filmmakers that are like that, that have tried, right? You always will have your David Lynch's.
00:59:41
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mean, but even David Lynch, you know, he he has some appeal, ah you know, some extended appeal outside of just weird, strange shit.
00:59:52
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and Well, yeah, like Dune, the Elephant Man, you know, like his – or even Twin Peaks. Like that was a TV show. Anything, and right he wasn't a but right? He wasn't making like The Begotten, which you probably film never heard of. But The Begotten is this weird-ass movie that you can find on YouTube. But it's so weird and it's like made by some weird European-sounding name guy, right? About – Like ah the aspect of Mother Nature is raped and tortured by man. And then she spawns ah a baby that then she eats the baby. And it's like, no one really cares, right?
01:00:32
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No one wants to watch The Begotten again. I watched it once and I will never watch it again. That's how I feel about The Begotten. But are there any films that... So if you're not watching new films, are there any films recently that have stood out to you like, yeah, this was good. I'm glad I watched this.
01:00:50
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There's a couple. So on the list of films I so i sent you to watch for review. Okay, yeah. One of them was Shampoo. Directed by... um Was that by Hal Ashby? Hal Ashby. Yeah.
01:01:05
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Which, if you're you know not familiar with the podcast, we're big fans of Hal Ashby here on the show. He's amazing, right? He's just like, Hal Ashby did that? That guy? I fucking love this. And I just keep thinking, like, fuck. that he I thought, at first I was watching and I was like, ah it's whatever. It's whatever. And then like on like the fourth day, when I'm still like waking up thinking about the intricacies of shampoo...
01:01:30
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I'm just like, oh, maybe there's a little more to this than I had originally given credit to. And it's like, it's so simple of a film, but that's what's, there's something so beautiful about simplicity. Oh my God. well Why does everything have to be so overly complex and obscure and all this shit? So Shampoo, let me just talk about Shampoo a little bit. It's a film about a guy that's a hairdresser.
01:01:53
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He's a hairdresser in the time of the height of cocaine and love and drugs and lust and Everything in the Hollywood but any sensation.
01:02:04
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Yeah. Right. And he is the, one of the hottest salon hairdresser dudes. Yeah. And he's banging all his clients and the complications of banging all his clients is essentially what is like slowly, like just like causing all his problems in life. Yeah.
01:02:24
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But he is just so thrilled because all he does is bang beautiful women And that's his problem. And the whole movie is is this guy slowly kind of being beaten down by the women around him until he finally just breaks down to the point where he admits it.
01:02:45
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And I remember what this scene will probably stick with me forever. And he's sitting there and ah Kurt Russell's wife. Goldie Hawn? Goldie Hawn.
01:02:57
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Oh, she's in it. Goldie Hawn's in it. And she's just like, so what the fuck is like, what's going on? Like, why can't you just be straight with me? Like, why are you like this?
01:03:07
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And he's like, you know what? ah You know, you're right. You know, and fuck the bullshit. i I became a hairdresser to fuck beautiful women.
01:03:18
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And I'm so happy.
01:03:23
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And if that's not okay with you, like, I'm sorry, but... I'm so happy. He says that? Yeah, that's like in the movie. Okay. Right? It's just like the big kind of breakdown because she keeps like whittling him down. Like, why are you like this? like why are you Why do you keep having these affairs? like Why can't you just like settle down and be a good guy? And do it to Goldie Hawn of all people.
01:03:43
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and and he's just And he's just like, I fucking love it. I love all this shit. And then he kind of kind of like gets a conscious out of it a little bit where he's like, maybe...
01:03:55
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There's more to life than just loving it. Uh-huh. And he tries to figure things out and settle down and it blows up in his face because, of course, it should have. Because of what he loves too much? Yeah, right. He's banging all these people, but like this powerful guy is banging them too and he's trying to get into business with this guy.
01:04:17
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And so he dumps his wife or his mistress who's also... He's banging both his mistress and the guy's wife. Yeah. but Okay. It sounded really good for a while.
01:04:30
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But Shampoo and Killer's Kiss is a... um Stanley Kubrick's second film. How did you like that? It was really good. ah Is that his noir?
01:04:41
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It's not his... Well, it is a noir, but it's his second film. Okay. So it's still made very cheap. And it's like, fuck. Kubrick on a budget is still like... God damn it.
01:04:52
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Really? because That'd be cool to see. it's That's why i bought I wanted you to watch it because it's... It's an interesting thing. Kubrick on a budget. It's like, okay, well, shit, I quit.
01:05:04
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Right? Because you can you can tell he made, at one point, he was just like, fuck it, we're going to just dub all the audio. yeah like Shit like that. like there's point like There's just like long stretches of film where it's just like music playing because there's like no dialogue or anything.
01:05:18
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and And that's good? and No, it is. You've got to watch it. It's interesting. It's definitely... it's Like I said, it's like watching Kubrick make... It's like giving Kubrick $50,000 to make a movie.
01:05:32
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be Okay. Well, then it's got to be great. I thought so. The story is the strength. Well, that's what matters most. Right? It's about a boxer that...
01:05:45
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Just kind of wants to go home and live a wholesome life. And his neighbor, she... He's the opposite of Hal Ashby at this point. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, you know they get involved in a murder and... Yeah, that sounds cool. um So...
01:06:05
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ah Follow up on all of this...
01:06:10
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Did any of these films speak... Wait, what the fuck's my follow-up? Did films call out to you more when you were younger? Do you think? Like, you know, thinking of King Kong, you know, that like, it hits.
01:06:24
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It hits. But, um you know, i've seen some I've seen Solaris. I've seen, you know, Come and See. I've seen many great films since we've done this, since I've gotten older.
01:06:38
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Like Tokyo Story. Tokyo Story hit hard. It did. Damn. Tokyo Story is fucking good. That's a good film.
01:06:49
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But you know like.
01:06:52
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There was something. Something to finally seeing Godzilla for the first time. And I saw Godzilla when I was younger. and I saw Psycho I was younger. The first a Hitchcock movie i ever saw was The Birds.
01:07:04
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Because my mom's like, I love this film. And I watched it. I was like, dude, this film's fucking cool. You know, and it's all that shit. It doesn't look like anything. It doesn't look like Ninja Turtles or anything. You know, it's like, damn, this is cool.
01:07:16
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Or watching Jaws. You know, i was like, oh, that's fucking cool. You know, watching Predator, all that shit. Star Wars. So, you know, like when I watched these films when I was younger, they hold a special place, I guess.
01:07:32
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I guess there's a nostalgia aspect. But then when I see like older films, you know, that are just as good, they don't necessarily hit the same. How do you feel? um To answer that question.
01:07:45
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Sorry. No, you're good. I'll say i'll say this
01:07:53
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I appreciate films a lot more now. um I think it's easier now to watch, digest, and kind of like really think about a film.
01:08:05
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When I was a kid... I would watch movies like 10 movies a day. i would watch movies all the all the time. Yeah? I would just have tape. i had did guys see so many movies? I just had tapes and tapes and tapes. We had all these VHS tapes. Would you watch it on repeat then? Yeah. If it was like a Starz weekend. Oh, yeah, man. We would just throw the tape in and we would I would just record until the tape ran out. The funny thing, because, you know, we had cable, so every now and then you get like a special weekend to yeah entice people.
01:08:34
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And they show all their movies. and But there were some channels that had better selections than others. I think Star Wars was always a good one. Star Wars, yeah. The Star Wars weekends were big. And Cinemax was cool, right? Yeah. Because they didn't be like, all right, it's 12.
01:08:49
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No one's around. Everybody's asleep. oh All right. Give me that. Get work. Coconut butter. Oh. Oh. And then it'd be like, ah HBO, well HBO, they got real sick. So maybe all of that, that TV shows on. Okay. Okay. I will say, but HBO had too many shows.
01:09:09
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Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like at the late night, it'd be repeats and you'd be like, okay, is this, what is this a good one? But like, Starz always had good selection. 90s. So it was it wasn't showing fucking Game of Thrones and The Last of Us.
01:09:24
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It was showing Oz. i was like, God damn it. I'm 14. I don't want to watch men get raped for five hours. um but But that was nice. That was a good time. But yeah, no. i would We had just dozens and dozens of tapes. ah from just but like I would tape everything. Yeah.
01:09:44
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And then... Especially the double-sided ones, right? that I mean, I would watch Richie Rich and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I'd watch those movies over and over and you see like a progression? Like, okay, the young kid movies start at this time and then as we get later into the evening? um no not really. Oh, do you mean like from the previews?
01:10:03
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Yeah, yeah. Yes. Really? You would see that whole progression? That's interesting. I always remember, ah because I think my tape but the tape ran out during, God, it's a The Pelican Brief.
01:10:16
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know you've ever heard of that movie. Yeah, of course. But I've never seen the whole movie because the tape ended before the movie ended. And it would always, it would be like... a It was after, what was the movie that was before Pelican Brief?
01:10:31
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So I just remember the
Nostalgia and childhood movie experiences
01:10:32
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tapes. they would be like I could get like three like two and a half, maybe three movies sometimes. um and The one I always remember is Richie Rich, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2, and...
01:10:43
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and ah
01:10:46
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um Fuck. ah Honey, I Blew Up the Kids. The one where the the little girl gets blown up. yeah ah Those are the ones I watched a lot.
01:10:57
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I watched that tape a lot. I don't know why I watched Richie Rich so much. But yeah. i Well, see, I was older, like a teenager by the time Richie. So i was like, I ain't watching that fucking shit. That's lame. Macaulay Culkin movies, man. like, fuck that.
01:11:10
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Only Home Alone. Yeah. Home Alone's great movie. But yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Like There's a certain nostalgia, right? it Does Richie Rich deserve that much in your heart? No. I don't know. Probably not like on a cinematic level.
01:11:25
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You know what's one? But then there's the nostalgia that's attached to it where it's like, no, dude, this feels fucking great. You know? It's like, I don't... Defy me on this. To like Terminator 2. I watched T2 a lot yeah as a kid. And T2 is great. And I never appreciated Terminator 1 as much as a kid. Because I was like Terminator 2 is perfect movie. its For me it was Terminator 1. Because that's what I grew to. I grew up to Terminator 2.
01:11:51
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Watched it all the time. I remember i was probably one of the first movies I ever watched probably. I was two when I was watching Terminator 2. I mean I remember as like I go was like Rewind.
01:12:02
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Sirach Or what's his John Connor? You know, seeing the moment when he's born. Yeah. When he's born? Yeah, because they have the sex scene.
01:12:12
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oh Oh, you mean when he's conceived? There you go, conceived. And ah I was like, well, where's the... Yeah, Terminator, like for me, that was that was the one.
01:12:26
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It was like, why can't he just be good? And then James Cameron just knew what to do. You know, Terminator, that's for kids. Let's make him cool.
01:12:40
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Yeah. Well, I mean, the interesting thing is it's a great twist. No, it's great, right? Especially when it's revealed because you're like, oh, he's got two Terminators out of here, but this was liquid? Oh, no, John Connor. Because it's kind of like, it it's a it's really a great setup.
01:12:56
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James Cameron knows how to do the greatest sequels. It's a great set. And Batman can do something in sequels. I don't know. I didn't watch that Avatar 2. I did. I will say that the nice thing... ah about Terminator is it's this this fantastic setup where at the time you you kind of believe Arnold's the bad guy.
01:13:16
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Yeah. And it's really great. He's behaving and acting like how he does. Exactly. And then at the mall scene happens and it's like, wait a second, this is different.
01:13:29
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Is he? she Yes, he finally listened. But also by like 92, you probably believe that like Arnold is the good guy now. yeah No, that that shit's all lame.
01:13:42
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But even like Alien, right? With James Cameron. Like Aliens... That's like a great sequel to one of the greatest horror films ever made. It's a great sequel for sure.
01:13:54
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Can it ever touch on Alien? No, because Alien is just so unique. Well, some people think it's better, but not me. It might be, but it's just so unique. And then to go with the direction he went for Aliens, like, dude, Aliens is so good, right?
01:14:09
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And those are like films we grew up on. I mean, I knew, i know I grew up on Aliens. i was And I was like, Reese, no, watch out for the acid. It's like, oh, man, maybe they're going to get out this time.
01:14:20
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Maybe the couple's not going to just blow up in the the shaft, the air shaft, remember, where they just hold hands and they do the grenade. It's like, no, not this time.
01:14:31
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Cochitas. yeah Yeah, well you know i well, I mean, I was so into Arnold growing up. Yeah, Predator. I asked for... Kill me! Kill me now! i would always ask for, like, weights.
01:14:44
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Because I wanted to be Arnold. I mean, don't know what happened. I don't know what happened, but Arnold would be ashamed you. Okay? Good thing you never met your hero, because he'd look at you and like, really? I it inspired you all? Did inspire you? The only thing that I inspired was your Gap.
01:15:03
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You could kick a football between my gap too. Yeah. What a shame. I'm sorry, Arnold. I'm sorry. I'm trying to lift weights. I saw Last Action Hero.
01:15:16
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I thought I was the Last Action Hero. You're supposed to lift the weights, not put them on ah You think you're Dottie Yed, but you're a Samu Hogg.
01:15:28
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Damn. Sorry, Arnold. Well, buddy, now that you're her in daddy full daddy mode, what are some of the films you look forward to introducing to your little ones, dude? Well, literally, it was like those old films we mentioned earlier.
01:15:43
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um
01:15:45
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Sylvia, unfortunately. Well, kind of just got into it with the nostalgia. like That's what I was going to say. like Sylvia, I kind of forgot. But Sophia was definitely the red balloon, which, have you seen that? Yeah.
01:15:57
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Dude, it's fucking like the greatest short film ever. Yeah, we watched it. I watched it with the kids. Yeah, it's the greatest film. so I was like, okay, Sophia, this is going be your first film. This has to be because its I think it's like the greatest kids film.
01:16:12
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So just showing her stuff that's like from when I was a kid, that was great. You know, like surprisingly, because I watch the kids in the morning because I don't work until the afternoon.
01:16:25
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So I usually wake up real tired and it's like, okay, let me just get you guys your food. I'm going to get my drink, my coffee so I can wake up and then, you know, go about the day.
01:16:36
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So for like a couple hours, I'm just dead. And I'll put on a movie and I was watching a lot of older movies at the time and I put on Gone with the Wind and she loved it. Little girl loved it. I don't know why it was always with the white people are out of the, uh but You know, it's so awesome to show those older films, like showing her The Wizard of Oz.
01:16:59
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It's like, dude, this is a film that you can watch that's like a masterpiece. And that's fucking cool. I showed her ah Willy Wonka and the chart Chocolate Factory or what is it called now? Charlie and the ah in the Chocolate Factory.
01:17:13
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I showed her that. And she didn't like that as much, but that was cool. Our Little Shop of Horrors, I showed her that. and Because she likes musicals. But also, just recently, she's paying attention more.
01:17:28
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So I showed her Neverending Story. you know And that that was awesome to introduce her to. And then I'm watching Wings of Desire and like In the Mood for Love.
01:17:43
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But um yeah, and you know, to give some credit to newer films like Up, like the Pixar films did some amazing films. You know, WALL-E's amazing, Up's amazing, Monsters, Inc. is amazing.
01:17:59
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You know, they had a slew of some fucking great kids movies. Toy Story. Yeah, but those are still so old. You know, Wally's almost 20 years old. Well, yeah, now they're old, huh?
01:18:10
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But Flo, even Super Mario Brothers, like as like it's not for me. I want Super Mario Brothers that was a cartoon drawing. He's like, hey, Luigi, look at this. Let's hit the block.
01:18:22
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We're sucking up all the Koopa Troopers. You know, I want the cartoon. Yeah. um But that wasn't bad. was like, yeah, you know, if you like Mario and I was your age, I probably think this was cool.
01:18:35
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Yeah, just getting to show them these movies, it's it's been awesome and to revisit them. What about you? what What are some of the movies that like you were like, hey kid, check this one out because this is a good one. I think you're going to like it.
01:18:52
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Well, I mean, you know me. i I like to just watch everything and anything. and With the kids, which i've i mean I've learned to regret a little bit. But it' it but like you know what i i would I remember when like and Luke loved Friday 13th movies.
01:19:10
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yeah And it's just like, dude, I'm so proud
Censorship and film genres for children
01:19:12
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of that kid. We're watching Friday the 13th. We're watching Freddy Krueger. yeah um i remember one time, and it's probably... you know There were sober adults in the house, but I was not...
01:19:25
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um And I had done some mushrooms. Oh, shit. Because I was like ah alone home alone for a while for the day. Yeah, so you're like, I'm going deep. Yeah, so I was like, well I'm going to do some shrooms. And I watched Dog Day Afternoon. And then I watched... ah What did i watch after Dog Day Afternoon? It's a good movie.
01:19:46
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Fuck, there was something else that i watched after that. But I ended up watching Nightmare on Elm Street. And I just remember like, damn, dude, watching Nightmare Elm Street on the mushrooms was interesting. But like the kids then came home and I was like snuggling with the kids and I was like watching the movie and they were getting into it and I was getting into it and i was like, this is a nice, very wholesome moment.
01:20:09
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I was like, damn, that's it's there's nice. There's something nice about like watching like old those those old old movies. And then we watched recently... Wizard of Oz, right? The kids love Wizard of Oz. Yeah?
01:20:24
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It's so goddamn good, right? and Yeah. I will say Luke's been breaking my heart because he's like, i hate black and white movies. I don't want to watch black and white movies. Hey, man, that's how I was for the longest. And I'm just like, no.
01:20:35
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i I prefer black and white. I honestly do. Literally, King Kong was the only movie I liked for the longest in black and white. I was like, eh, what's in black and white? Eh, get that away from you I mean, I told i think even in all this podcast, I was talking about that.
01:20:48
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And now i'm watching Wings of Desire, which is mostly in black and white. So you would love it. Yeah. Because it's beautifully restored. Watch it on max. Yeah. And it's just like beautiful.
01:20:59
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there Black and white is...
01:21:02
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Actors look better in black and white. But he doesn't mind Wizard of Oz as much, right? Because it's not exactly black and white. No, yeah, yeah. like brown and white. Yeah, it's very sepia tone and that's in a degree.
01:21:14
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But, you know, it's just it's always fun i trying to figure out when to watch what film to introduce. right You don't want to start Star Wars too young.
01:21:27
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They might not... love star wars at two but at three or four you know star wars is a big deal or even you know five and six seven um and it's just cool to uh kind of share and watch those movies like i know growing up for me uh I was always big into martial arts movies and been watching like weird, obscure, i guess not that not obscure, but just old Hong Kong kung fu movies, like Five Elementals, Five Elemental Ninjas, which is pretty cool. um and just kind of like Just going through and watching those films.
01:22:15
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And yeah the kids aren't necessarily they're paying attention. they're you know They're playing with Legos. They're doing you know a typical kids things. They're running around, riding scooters and playing running around. And that's fine with me because it's just kind of like, let me turn on my thing and watch it. But I will say like some recent movies have kind of made some impacts with the kids. And that's interesting for me to see.
01:22:39
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I'm not a huge fan of them, but they like them a lot. um Like Quiet Place. like I don't love the Quiet Place movies, but the kids like them. So there's that. um
01:22:54
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I got pee, so I'm going to go pause. Pause. You ready? Yeah, buddy. I'm ready.
01:23:06
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Oh, he's back. Yeah, so I was talking about... what we were talking about watching films with the kids. um do you are Do you do like... ah How do you feel about the introducing certain films? like Are you are you like not going to let the kids watch like you know Exorcist and until a certain age?
01:23:30
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Oh, yeah. and i can let the kids watch Brokeback Mountain? Yeah. No, yeah, for sure. I mean... do you ah age limit violence more than sex? Or how do you feel Dude, i'm American. I limit sex more than violence.
01:23:47
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So the kids will ah will be able to watch Predator before they can watch a Blue Lagoon? but yeah probably. Because that's always an awkward one. Yeah.
01:24:02
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Oh, yeah. But I try not to, to the extent that, like, you know, there's sometimes where it's done for artistic value, and it's like, well, yeah, I know what it's showing might be nudity, but, dude, this is an art piece right here.
01:24:19
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So I don't want them to think of nudity as, like, some negative thing. Yeah. So you kind of have to acknowledge the beauty of it, that because it's so in so many masterpieces.
01:24:31
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So yeah, that's what I do. If it's gratuitous, yeah. We'll watch that later. What about you? i don't really care.
01:24:43
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i think it's better to be exposed and then understand than to have it like kept the away. But do but it does it lead to ending up like you? Because that's pretty scary.
01:24:55
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I don't know. Maybe. Maybe.
01:24:59
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Maybe.
01:25:02
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ah I guess for me, i am... Like, I don't want... I don't think nudity or sexuality is something you have to be afraid of.
01:25:15
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Yeah. um I definitely don't watch pornography or anything with the kids. But yeah if a boob pops out on the screen, it's not like the end of the world where I'm like rushing to close their eyes. Yeah. I think if you make a big deal about those things, you make it worse.
01:25:32
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ah But if it's just like, hey, it's a boob. Boobs a boob. Yeah. Maybe that is a little healthier because I remember when I was a kid, it was like, you got to close your eyes. Like the naughty scenes coming up and then you try to sneak around to find it and watch it. And then yeah it's making this huge, big deal out of, you know, seeing a tit. Yeah.
01:25:51
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when and So you think that made you more excited to see it when you finally did? Yeah. yeah Definitely. do you remember how it was when you finally saw Were you like, woohoohoo? Oh, dude. I remember we to like there used to find like trashed or porno mags out in the desert.
01:26:08
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I always heard of that myth. I never found anything going through the desert, man. I never found nothing. Well, it was more like we would just like dig through the trash. ah You were digging through trash? Through the neighbor's trash. See, that was my problem. I never went through the trash.
01:26:22
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So, true story. When I was a kid, we used to go to my friend's house. Jimmy and Matt's house. And we would... The neighbors across the street, there was like they were like the ghetto white trash family.
01:26:35
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Yeah. And the mom would always throw away the dad's porno mags. And the kids would tell us when the mom was throwing away the porno mags. Yeah. And so we would then you know dig through, get them, and then we'd go hide them out in the desert.
01:26:51
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Hustlers and all kinds of stuff. and Yeah. You know, it's eye-opening for... ah We were probably eight or nine. I mean... That young? Yeah. Shit, man. and We were pretty much... are ah The moms would just get stoned in the garage, and then yeah Jake would be left to watch us. Watch us.
01:27:12
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He typically just played games. He would just sit on the Super Nintendo playing Super Metroid Mega Man or something. That's cool. Do you think that's where you got the love for video games?
01:27:23
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Yeah. Was through him and watching him. yeah. Like, dude, no, jump, jump, fucker. Oh, yeah. Jump, jump. i Oh, I shoot, I shoot. It's different having someone that's like, because he's seven years older, right? I mean, he was like a teenager when we were little kids.
01:27:40
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So he would be playing games proficiently. okay yeah. And it's like, shit, I want to be able to beat this level. Because you're good gamer, man. I want to be able to fucking keep up.
01:27:51
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Yeah. I remember a funny a funny story, if I can tell a quick little anecdote about this. is ah we At that friend's house... they would all They were like more better off than we were. So they had the cooler stuff. They always had like the better games, yeah more consoles.
01:28:08
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Oh, they were the ones who had the consoles when they came out. Okay, we got to stay friends with these people. They had Super Metroid. okay. And Jake was the babysitter. Yeah. And so he would he was playing Super Metroid and he beat it before ah their dad. Oh. And when he came home in there and Jake was like, oh yeah, I beat that game. He...
01:28:28
Speaker
flew through the roof like how the fuck you're not allowed to beat the games before me buth bla blah blah blah that kind of shit and I remember Jake he just like took this all this verbal abuse to beat this game but he got that mad yeah yeah dude That's a little much.
01:28:44
Speaker
He was an asshole. He's dead now, so you don't got to worry about it. Well, good. But yeah, fuck you, Jim. Fucking Jim. Asshole. Piece shit.
01:28:55
Speaker
but What were we talking about? don't know. Okay. ah So any films you're looking to show your kids? I feel like I'm pretty sure I've kind of been through the catalog, right? We've watched The Karate Kid. We've watched...
01:29:10
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ah before you While you were out, i was saying how like ah I was watching like weird kung fu like Hong Kong kung fu movies. yeah Like Five Elemental Ninjas and One Arm Guillotine, shit like that. yeah And I was like, man, I love how much the kids get get into the movies.
01:29:28
Speaker
It's nice because it kind of gives you It's like a... new and so it's like a appreciation a new appreciation yeah because they're enjoying it and then you're kind of getting extra enjoyment out of how much they're enjoying it yeah like watching movies with emma is a trip man why is that she gets so into it like she the kids love dickhead like because cause i'll be editing i'll be editing it and she'll be standing there and she's just like the mommy get the mommy right because she thinks tom's a mummy yeah well yeah pretty close
01:30:01
Speaker
And it's just like, she's just getting freaked out and she's screaming and stuff. I got the jump scares and and everything. Yeah. And I'm just like, Oh, maybe this movie's not that bad. We got the three-year-old demographic. We can appeal to that demographic. Great.
01:30:16
Speaker
And I wass just like, man, maybe I'm just so jaded where I, I don't, I just don't know how good some stuff is. Yeah. And that's kind of a, they kind of have, and they kind of invite like a pulse to that.
01:30:28
Speaker
And that's nice. Yeah. Because I know, I do. I watch things so jaded. There's times where I'm just like, oh God, what a fucking terrible edit.
01:30:40
Speaker
I was watching Hard Times, which is a a movie directed by ah the guy in the Warriors. Oh God. I love him. He wrote, ah he he directed the Warriors. He directed... ah 48 hours. Walter Hill.
01:31:00
Speaker
Hard Times is a... lo archer Walter Hill. And it has Charles Bronson as a... He's a street fighter. Oh, okay. It's like the early 1930s UFC, essentially. Yeah.
01:31:13
Speaker
And he... It's just like this badass fighter guy. like He actually has skills. So everyone else is just like poor brawlers or big dudes. Yeah. And Charles Bronson just like fucking takes them apart because he actually has skill.
01:31:28
Speaker
And I remember I was watching and I was just like, Steven probably would have yelled at me because i that frame wouldn't have held long enough and on the train or something. And it's like, you could just feel it, right? And I'm just thinking about this so i'm watching this movie. Like, damn, I just can't watch movies like I used to either. Hmm.
01:31:46
Speaker
I'm watching I'm just like, damn, I wonder if they could have got a couple extra frames out of that. Or fuck, we're holding on this so long. like Can we just cut away to something else? Anything. i got I'm ready.
01:31:58
Speaker
Please. like Let's cut. i yeah Move the camera. Do something. Or you know like someone will do a scene where ah there is ah an awkward cut and then 30 seconds pass and I'm like,
01:32:15
Speaker
um So yeah. What was I talking about? Whatever. Let's go to the next bullet point. and We got only a couple more. and We got to get, you know, before we start getting beat up.
01:32:27
Speaker
but Plus we still got some drafts. All right. So enough with the kids and shit. ah How often are you seeking out a new film versus revisiting?
01:32:39
Speaker
Do you consciously try to watch something new or recently released films? off I was more curious to see how you were going to answer this, but for my own personal answer to this question, i will say that I try to have a balance between watching something I haven't seen before versus watching things I've seen over and over and over.
Re-watching films: Insights and imperfections
01:33:05
Speaker
yeah But at the same time, I always find myself just coming back to the same movies. Okay. um And I don't know if that... is necessarily just comfort or or what, but there's something, i get a lot of value, I think, out of re-watching like the best movies.
01:33:24
Speaker
you break them down when you watch them? I do. i don't I think I watch movies nowadays a lot differently than I've ever watched movies, especially since doing the show. Films have become a lot more of a ah practice okay as opposed to anything else.
01:33:42
Speaker
i'm When I watch a movie, i I'm listening to the music and kind of thinking more about, like, how does this fit in the scene? What is it really doing?
01:33:53
Speaker
Are we going? Because you you you always make this good point when it comes to music, where music can also almost be telling and not showing. Yeah. Where music can be used.
01:34:05
Speaker
But i have all I've been thinking, too, when I watch movies where I'm like, wow, this doesn't really fit what's like on screen. yeah But at the same time, it's like this song just kicks ass. so I'm like does this is like, is there like this gap that can be bridged here? And then I was also just thinking, and that's why I kind of like re-watching movies because we were watching some clips from Dickhead a little earlier with the temp track. And I've been trying not to watch the temp track because it makes me sad.
01:34:35
Speaker
For for a lot of a lot of reasons, a lot of emotions come out when I watch the temp music. Yeah? ah Yeah, definitely. Because it's like, fuck, dude.
01:34:46
Speaker
and It hits perfect. every beat i yeah I think ah the nice thing, the thing I will say that's really ah great about Adam and Pat is that They're hitting unique beats. Oh, yeah.
01:34:59
Speaker
They're hitting things that we never thought of and placement of some stuff. I'm just like, I would not i wouldn't put it here, but I don't think it's bad, which is nice.
01:35:10
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that That collaborative aspect. Yeah. like When they like where they're redoing um the garage scene, we asked them to put a new track in. um And then we've been working on like i the timing and getting some of the track placements.
01:35:25
Speaker
And I'm like, fuck, you know, I would not have done it like this, but this is me maybe even better. Yeah. and i And I really like that. I'm kind of thrilled by that. Oh, yeah. um Because you had asked me ah earlier, maybe it was yesterday or two days ago, about having a track, like a more exciting version of some of the tracks.
01:35:48
Speaker
Just having like... Because ah a lot of our... It yesterday. Yesterday. A lot of our music is very...
01:35:57
Speaker
mellow It's not... It's a little more somber than I think we're trying to It's very somber or suspenseful. It's not necessarily like this...
01:36:11
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It's not as in your face as was. Drum beating, adrenaline inducing kind of score. But I was kind of thinking like, well, that's kind of the vibe we have.
01:36:24
Speaker
um Because we're laid back guys, man. That and also we're just poor. ah Right? Like our one of our most exciting scenes, like quick paced scenes is like this near black scene of them running down the street and you're like hanging out of the car with the camera. Yeah.
01:36:45
Speaker
But that scene, right? It's like, it's super dark. It's hard to really see the detail. ah The music's got to really sell because I've been, was trying so hard to like lift that scene. Yeah.
01:36:57
Speaker
But it is so dark. Damn. Why'd you have to mention that? That one hits deep. um But in the respect to, Like kind of like going back to the question where it's like revisiting and watching new films.
01:37:10
Speaker
It's new films are good and in the regard that you learn new tricks. hu Or it's also like you accept that ah you it's easier to accept some of the fallacy.
01:37:23
Speaker
um Because you do watch a movie like Terminator or Halloween or ah a new movie. You watch Novocaine or something like that.
01:37:34
Speaker
And people are getting away with mistakes everywhere. There are mistakes just all over the place. Mm-hmm. There are mistakes and in some of the greatest films ever. There are mistakes.
01:37:45
Speaker
Yeah. Kubrick has mistakes, right? like there are no There's no ah filmmaker that is just like perfect and perfect in that aspect. And it gains a certain charm, right? it gains it It's charm, but it's also freeing in ah in a degree because you could really hold yourself on and on a mistake.
01:38:07
Speaker
You can really defeat yourself. Yeah. ah By like trying to fix something that you you should just let have learned to let go. Because in the grand scheme of things, it's like this.
01:38:21
Speaker
I do believe that it's a sum of parts. So if you have more positive than negative, you're doing okay. Because it's so easy to look at a film in sections when you're making it and you're editing it and you're doing post that you kind of forget that no one else will ever look at it like that. And also,
01:38:43
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ah
01:38:46
Speaker
if they do, you just have to make sure that you understood, that you captured the balance, that the good outweighed the bad. Yeah. Yeah. um Because I always think about that because we, there were a couple of scenes we tried so hard, man. We tried so hard to get these scenes to fucking work.
01:39:04
Speaker
um the jump scare, which I think is working a little bit nicer now because of the music, the way the music and stuff is set up. It's kind of helping bridge that gap to make that that jump scare kind of actually work. too right And that's why I keep putting in my notes, it's like, just please, you guys see you guys gotta to like fix this shit.
01:39:25
Speaker
Fix this shit. yeah ah right And then there's the the big one. To me, the biggest...
01:39:34
Speaker
pile of shit that we have to deal with is there's this transition between locations that just is so, it's rough. i There's nothing, there's no real yeah smoothing it out.
01:39:49
Speaker
I mean, it is so bad, but it's just this small, very tiny, minuscule aspect. It sells the point.
01:40:01
Speaker
It gets the point across thats so rough that it needs to. And it does what it needs to do. It's the roughest shit ever. It is. You know, that's what I was thinking about, Dickhead. Because, you know, there are some moments of...
01:40:17
Speaker
It's like, oh yeah, that's cool. For instance, when Tom enters a house, then we switch perspectives. And it's like his POV and then it's not.
01:40:28
Speaker
Like, that's a cool shot. There were some cool things done. But then you see some other scenes and we instantly remind you of that. This was our first film ever.
01:40:40
Speaker
We didn't really know what we were doing. we We remind people of where we are. I think that's a thing to a lot of films is that there's an element of sincerity that comes across.
01:40:53
Speaker
Like you're sincerely trying to do the best you can within the scope of what you can. And when you see people like really go above and beyond in that respect, it's a beautiful thing to see, you know, regardless of how much that movie might have. For instance, like before sunrise, that's just a low to the ground kind of film. And it's just beautiful within what it is.
01:41:16
Speaker
you know and then you have your epics. And you have your great films like Tokyo Story or Citizen Kane or The Godfather. you know you have the Red Shoes. The Red Shoes. you know You just have what people say like, oh, this is a great film regardless of what you think.
01:41:30
Speaker
No matter what, this is one of the greats. I kind of love that about film. they have that right They have that sincerity that all art has. When it's the most appreciated, it's like, yes, I can see the sincerity of what you're portraying to me ah clearly.
Balancing art and commerce in filmmaking
01:41:45
Speaker
Do you think there is like a power level system? Like a Dragon Ball Z level for movies? In a sense where it's like the Godfather is just... Any day of the week, the Godfather will always be better than Novocaine.
01:41:59
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And that's kind of cool? Or do you think... How do you feel about that? and No, that... there' just That there's just objectively just... it's That's just earned.
01:42:11
Speaker
Yeah. You know? That's earned and there's a respect to that. It's like, yeah, dude. Like, regardless of who I think you are as a person, what you've done elsewise as a film, like, Ridley Scott still did Alien.
01:42:25
Speaker
He still did Blade Runner. Like... Just give me one of those. i would be so happy. I'd be like, wow, I really did that? like That's fucking good. yeah you know That's true.
01:42:36
Speaker
like Just give me one. That's fucking cool. and That's something to be celebrating. That's what's beautiful. that's all right like saying i got you did that, man You fucking did that. that got right yeah I say something on that.
01:42:51
Speaker
and the cool thing ah cool thing about that is it doesn't really matter if Ridley Scott never makes another great movie. Yeah.
01:43:02
Speaker
yeah He is immortal. Yeah. Because he made Alien. Because he made Blade Runner. Yeah. John Carpenter is immortal. Yeah. From now until he man like whatever until Western civilization completely crumbles and falls and but you know we literally live in Planet of the Apes. Yeah.
01:43:26
Speaker
People will know their names. and And that's the optimism in it, right? Because like when we watch Sunrise, I don't know their fucking names, but when I watched that film, was like, damn, that's pretty damn good.
01:43:37
Speaker
And you know when people 100, 200 years from now, 1,000 years from now, they'll look at Blade Runner and they'll like, damn, those goddamn monkeys, they did really good right here. Those little dub apes, they did pretty good right here.
01:43:49
Speaker
And they will watch Sunrise, A Song of Two Humans, and it's... And that movie will hit. There's timelessness to it, man. There is. And... That's what's beautiful.
01:44:00
Speaker
And...
01:44:03
Speaker
You know, Dickhead's not going to. and No, no, we're not approaching that. Let's get out of here for that. but you know like that but But why we appreciate films too, right? Yeah, it's why it's why we appreciate films. And it's kind of like, this is what we're trying to do.
01:44:18
Speaker
This is who we are. We're trying our best. And i was going to ask you I was going to ask you this, which isn't on the notes or anything like that. Do you think...
01:44:31
Speaker
it's worth it just to be the artist, the filmmaker, as opposed to... you could never make a Citizen Kane, Drive My Car, a Parasite... That's such a privilege. But you were just making Ninja Domination 3.
01:44:48
Speaker
Would that have would that so like sustain you creatively and you could be happy? i that argument I would say is that we've never, even with Dickhead, thought that we were trying to just make nothing.
01:45:04
Speaker
We've always tried to make something that could be the best that it cad can be. Yeah, I would say, yeah, that would kill me. Not to make Ninja Dominion 3, because that movie's fucking awesome.
01:45:16
Speaker
But to make like Spider-Man Far From Home, yeah, that'd kill me. Because I got to make something that I'm passionate about that I'm trying to make work. And in Dominion, Ninja Dominion 3, they try to make that work. And there was a lot of parts where it was like... Oh, Domination. Ninja 3, Domination. Domination 3. It was just like, oh, I don't know about this. The V8.
01:45:36
Speaker
Put the V8 back in the can. But you know... Put the V8 back in the can. There's a certain like awesomeness to that. And... It doesn't feel like that exists right now.
01:45:48
Speaker
Again, the corporatism is just about making that buck, that buck, or getting seen, which translates into money. It's not just like, hey, I put this fucking one. Like, for instance, I don't know if I've ever seen Toxic Avengers, but I saw a preview for it before I watched The Burning because I saw The Brutalist and then it went into The Burning.
01:46:11
Speaker
I think I told you about this before. But the Toxic Avengers was the commercial. And was like, that's the Toxic Avengers? That looks like something I got to get high to and watch on a big screen. Because that looks fucking amazing.
01:46:24
Speaker
Yeah, it is. It looked amazing. I've never seen it. I don't think. And I was like, dude, what? This is odd. Someone filmed this? This is fucking the coolest thing ever.
01:46:36
Speaker
And what was my point? I know what point is. Toxic Avengers is great. and ah It would kill you to make ah yeah like Thunderbirds, but you would love to make Toxic Avengers. No, not not that. Just that if you're doing it out of a place of sincerity, I think you can make something really fun and awesome. you know Like Ninja Dominion Domination 3.
01:47:02
Speaker
There was already a Ninja 1. You know, you're signing out to number three. It's like, fuck. But if if someone's on board who's passionate about it, especially, i mean, it has to be the director.
01:47:15
Speaker
If they're passionate about that, like, they can sell you on some crazy shit. Because, you know, look at Peter Jackson for Lord of the Rings. I mean, what's his film called? his With the zombies, Evil Dead?
01:47:28
Speaker
Oh, Dead Alive? Dead Alive. It's like, yeah, let's just give you all this tons of money to make Lord of the Rings. Yeah. But they do, and he does, and it's like, damn, that's cool.
01:47:40
Speaker
ah i'd be I'm curious then. It's interesting that you put it that way. If we were stuck in this level, making these whodun-dunits, the hair triggers, Grand Travel Day the Lord, director's cuts...
01:47:57
Speaker
but are you Is this like okay? Or do you just aspire? No, not at all. That's why Dickhead's taken 10 years. you know there's some like There's something to say about everyone who completed their film in a timely manner. Of course.
01:48:15
Speaker
They have a film. We don't. End story. like that's the biggest That's the biggest thing. They have a story. We don't. But... Where we got to, it's like, yeah, man, I'm not going to invest myself like this ever again.
01:48:30
Speaker
No. If this doesn't equate to something better and bigger and something that we really wanted, like, no, not at all.
01:48:42
Speaker
I'll do short stories. I'll help out. You know, like this is my, for me personally, this is me giving everything. Yeah. You know, I'm still not paying. I still haven't paid off all the debt from this film. And it's been over 10 years.
01:48:57
Speaker
This film will have been released by the time I'm even close to paying off all the debt from this. But I did it for a reason. So, yeah, no, I don't see it ever being like this, regardless of how easy it is with AI. Because there's that sincerity in Dig Head.
01:49:15
Speaker
That I think is important to catch with any film. Yeah. if you're going to make a film, you got to put your heart and soul into it. When you see like the director's heart being shown in a like great manner, but also in a vulnerable way.
01:49:32
Speaker
Like it's like, oh yeah, you didn't know this was going to work. And guess what? It kind of didn't work. But I know what you were trying to do. it's like, yeah, if you could have achieved that vision and put it on screen, you'd be delighted. But like yeah, you had a compromise at this point, didn't you?
01:49:48
Speaker
Yeah. you know and that's Or you just didn't know better. Or you didn't know better. And that's with anyone at any level. And there's this there's a vulnerability to see there and be witness to. Like The Evil Dead.
01:50:01
Speaker
It's not a good movie. Yeah. right? It's good. With Bruce Campbell? I think so. No, it's not. It's not. But when you watch it like in respect to the contextual aspect of it and it all put together in this larger perspective, you're like, oh, I love this movie. It's great.
01:50:18
Speaker
if You're right. It's the greatest, right? Like even with Army of Darkness, like That's a Hollywood level film all way through and through. But you would never think that's a good film if you saw it like without the context of so much more. Right.
01:50:32
Speaker
If it wasn't Bruce Campbell, if it wasn't Sam Raimi. Yeah. If you didn't know what a film was, like it it's playing upon the art form itself to present you this. Michael Barrett was Ash Williams. Yeah. It's a satire of film itself, right? As all satires are. They satire everything.
01:50:49
Speaker
No, you're right. but but But there's a beauty... were you talking about? If you... Like... what Damn, i'm sorry. i said like again.
01:51:01
Speaker
It's okay. If you get me there, it's worth it. So, what I was asking was... Essentially, would you just kind of be okay with this level of struggle? Fuck no! This is awful. This is 10 years, dude. There's something to show for that amount of time.
01:51:19
Speaker
There is. This film is way better than it should be. Yeah. At this point. After we got the edit lock, it's way better than it should be. No, I don't want to put that much time because
01:51:33
Speaker
ah it's too much. It's too fucking much. It asks too much of you to do it again. No, never. This has to be it. And then there has to be something to show for it.
01:51:45
Speaker
That's what I was going to follow up with. It's all or nothing. That's what I was going to follow up with a bit. So this would be a hypothetical. Dickhead sucks?
01:51:59
Speaker
No. Oh. The hypothetical is this.
01:52:05
Speaker
Dickhead makes some waves. Right. we We get some acknowledgement People are actually watching the film. They'll be like, yeah, and we're not going to i'm just make you money, but hey, you got something else? We get at least a... We least break even.
01:52:22
Speaker
Dickhead somehow breaks even. I don't care if it breaks even. No, I don't need to and don't care. This is what I'm saying. somehow Somehow we get like $100,000...
01:52:35
Speaker
offered to us to make another one to either to make another movie or just, just to make something, just to make something. Hell yeah. That's the goal. Right. That's the goal. Yeah. And, and, and I even thought about it. It's like, I got a movie, Tom's got a movie and we got an anthology. Yeah.
01:52:51
Speaker
And the movies are going to need some money. But you know the anthology. We can get out to you right away, baby. We already got two of them filmed. That's how good we are. And we already know how it's going to rest. Like, yes.
01:53:02
Speaker
Absolutely. 100%. Right. But I think there's the desperateness comes through with it where we're putting in the time and effort. Because there are some money there are monies there are some moments where I just watch.
01:53:17
Speaker
I've been watching the film where it been going over to the Foley and getting that right. And there were some moments where I'm just watching the film and I'm laughing out loud. You know, it genuinely genuinely ah makes me smile when I watch it. Because there's just some funny moments where it's like, oh my god. the And it's fun.
01:53:36
Speaker
You know? So... One thing I will say is... But that's special. You know? i don't I'm not going to do it again. I'm not. I don't... that The follow-up question would be is... I don't even... Maybe it's not even a question. Follow-up comments. I don't think we could...
01:53:51
Speaker
We just literally don't... One? Here's the reasons why we could never make Dickhead again. Not anymore, yeah. We don't have the crew. Yeah. We don't have the time.
01:54:03
Speaker
We don't have friends. We don't have time. Yeah, we don't have the crew. like Right, all of the crew was our friends and family. And they're gone. and Like COVID. It killed them.
01:54:14
Speaker
We have nobody. kill covid This is why we podcast. This is all we got. COVID may not have killed ah all our friends, but it definitely... It killed our friendship. It killed our friendship.
01:54:27
Speaker
ah Yeah, like I was you know thinking about It's like... We couldn't wrangle people to let's show up. Literally, we couldn't do it again. We literally cannot we could not make dickhead again.
01:54:41
Speaker
Which is crazy. Well... To think about because... It's sad to think about. it is. I don't think it's crazy. i think, you know... It is crazy because that means that at one point in our lives, we were able to, like, essentially...
01:54:58
Speaker
lie, cheat, and steal our way into a feature. I don't think we never did. no, no, no, no. Not in negative way. No, but I mean is even even to say it in that negative way, like we had we had good friends who were committed and who stuck with the completion of this film despite all the obstacles we faced.
01:55:21
Speaker
And... um
01:55:25
Speaker
We couldn't literally do it without them now because they're gone. Like COVID. Yeah. That's just... You know, i was like i was trying not to make this episode about Dickhead.
01:55:40
Speaker
But I mean, I think... that's all we talk about. so But it's kind of... And that's our movie. I mean, that's part of the what we're trying to do here. There is intrinsic value in, hopefully, in people like would it in this journalizing seeing of it.
01:55:54
Speaker
And the level of failure. Yeah. And we're just, my hope is that we're open and transparent enough with everybody that we could be of some value through our mistakes or a lesson or.
01:56:08
Speaker
or through our failure, right? Yeah, exactly. That's the best aspect. We're getting in there in the sweet spot. We win? big Hell yeah. We lose? I do want to say that. Well, there you go. Yeah, I have a ah coworker.
01:56:20
Speaker
that's like he used He's been in like the film industry industry for a bit. i He was an assistant on Armageddon. was it like he has His IMDb credit list is actually legit.
01:56:35
Speaker
ah wow Miguel, i don't know if you listen to the podcast, Miguel, but we love you. i i was just like, I'm curious. I sent him a link to the movie. to the movie Yeah.
01:56:47
Speaker
Because I would just, you know, we always just keep, it was like we've always sent it to people. And everyone always, the thing is, and the thing, and know i'm I'm rambling a bit. Did Miguel say it sucks? No. Come on, get to the heart of it.
01:57:01
Speaker
This is what I'm trying to get to. He's like, oh, my pee-pee heart. Come here, Tom. Let me see you. And he the thing was, is he was saying things that, And he was contextualizing them in a way where I was like, fuck, you're saying everything right. And I didn' it like i didn't prompt you.
01:57:17
Speaker
i didn't do any of this. i was just like, here, watch it. like Check it out and and let me kind of know what you think. Because we're in the middle of doing all this sound stuff. So I've been like kind of like trying- Man, I grew up broke, man. Tell me to stop, please. And I've been really- My biggest concern with where we're at in post is we've been so attached to this cut.
01:57:41
Speaker
This temp cut that we have, that we've had for years and years and years and years. Let me rephrase this. And I think this is where we both stand, which is reasonable. We're attached to the timing of it.
01:57:53
Speaker
And the emotion of it. Yes. So not to the music of it, which I think is important to say.
01:58:02
Speaker
Because I think we accept whatever it can be as long as it's kind of hitting certain beats. And to to back that up a little bit, I will say, because you were... so you mean to you you know In the conversation that we were having yesterday where were talking about like exciting music or...
01:58:21
Speaker
adding a new track. And to me, it's like, okay, let me, um I'm down to change and add anything, yeah but we got to hear it. We got to, it's got to be real.
01:58:33
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No, don't hear it, man. No, no, no. Feel it. No, but what I mean is it it has to be tangible. No, yeah, you're right. ah I could, I mean, I want things left and right all day. i want, and and that's why I'm playing around with things so much.
01:58:49
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with what I was doing ah yesterday and today, was just kind of playing around with things and trying to get a feel for what we have and how we can best utilize it.
01:59:04
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And by showing this to Miguel and getting his feedback, and I'll wait until Steven gets back before I talk about that a little bit so he can kind of hear that and weigh in on it as he will.
01:59:17
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But it's it's ah this long process, longer than it should ever be. i don't recommend anyone takes the time that we took to make their film.
01:59:32
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I think we've suffered through a lot of, overcome a lot of, it's tough to say. um i've brought it up a lot, but it's this confidence it's just confidence and it's just this
01:59:49
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It's like this beyond human understanding of film and and what it can mean. Because in reality, it's really just a bunch of people like us trying to make movies.
02:00:04
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And I wanted the way for Steven to come back because I didn't finish my story about Miguel. Fucking miel so Miguel, man. Miguel, right? a he you know he wasn't that he's been he's like an admin at work. He's an assistant.
02:00:19
Speaker
He's already higher up, huh? um So he I sent it to him because we were talking about we talk about movies a lot. And he's he's a film guy Yeah, I mean, if he works in there, yeah, he's a film guy. ah So said I sent it to him and and he was you know he was genuinely positive.
02:00:38
Speaker
And for the most part, no one no one has been negative. Did he offer you any contacts? Yes. So this is what he said. And I thought and i was wondering if you thought this would if this would be interesting.
02:00:52
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He said the way that we balanced the realistic horror and the humor yeah is our strongest quality yeah in the storytelling, writing, and pacing. Yeah.
02:01:03
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And I didn't prompt him. I didn't like it. Right. I did. I was just like Tom's smiling. That's something he never does. so I was just like, Hey, check this out. And so this is what he was telling me. He was like, you know, i was, I watched it Over the weekend. and it's like i was just really drawn in.
02:01:22
Speaker
i was drawn into the characters. I was drawn into the way you told the story. He does work in the industry. It's obvious that you guys were making it's obviously you guys are making a satire. story.
02:01:35
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but with your own twist on the story And I was like, dude, you're buttering me up too much. like yeah Do i need to bend over for you right now? Yes, you do.
02:01:46
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Like, holy shit. like You're saying everything right. Yeah. And we've heard, we just kept hearing this over and over and over. Uh-huh. Right? like Everyone's like, you know, it's good. It's good.
02:01:57
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i remember the first... ah The first real time I was kind of like nervous as you showed Andre, I think one of the earlier cuts and he was just like, ah, this is garbage.
02:02:10
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He didn't say that. Or he was like, you know it needs a lot of work. Essentially it was, I think the gist of the, uh, the note. Oh my God, this is great. But then I think we did, we got the cut finished and you sent it to him and didn't really have notes.
02:02:27
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Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, wait, he was like the big, I've been waiting for someone to say it just sucks. Yeah. Like go part of me wants to hear it.
02:02:38
Speaker
Why? Because if it, if I can hear someone say that they don't like it and that and that it sucks, that I can somehow then realistically gauge my own.
02:02:51
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South by Southwest should have been a realistic, but no, not at all. Why? Dude, that... Because we submitted to South by Southwest. So why why wouldn't their rejection be... Because one, i think everything that we sent to them was in a detriment to ourselves.
02:03:11
Speaker
How's that? don't think... Right? We don't we didn't send a... and The color wasn't very good. The music is so... You can't watch that you can't watch the movie with the temp music and really give it its just due.
02:03:27
Speaker
Because you know the music isn't going to be this. And not only that, think that the music that we- it pulls them out. I think it does. i think it does. Honestly, it does.
02:03:38
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how can you not think, watch it, it recontextualizes the film in a sense as well because we're using music from popular horror films that everyone knows that we're already kind of satirizing and making fun of or using in the film because they fit so nicely because that's kind of what we're doing.
02:03:56
Speaker
But we're not actually doing that. We're doing something different. So when you watch and you hear constantly or hearing Halloween, you're constantly hearing Halloween music and Halloween themes and Halloween this and then Rosemary's baby for fucking Jennifer.
02:04:11
Speaker
You're not, we're not Rosemary's baby. Are you kidding? We don't have Mia Farrow. We don't have fucking David, ah John Cassavetes. We don't have fucking. So then it's like. We didn't fuck any underage women.
02:04:23
Speaker
So it's like Kubrick when he uses classical music in his films and that.
02:04:29
Speaker
you hear that music, like the best we could hope for is this, right? Where you hear that music and then you're recontextualizing that music to fit the the movie, right? Like yeah what he does in 2001.
02:04:42
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Because I would say there's an argument to be made that 2001 has sections of almost just orchestral music video. Yeah, that's all it is. It's like a long music video.
02:04:53
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I mean, I think you could argue that. And... And at our level, because we're using such great music for our shitty film, that it could then potentially be a harm.
02:05:07
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Yes. Interesting. Well, that's why you didn't want to submit to any future films. And I was like, dude, just submit to them. And you're like, no, no, it ain't there. Because... Oh, okay.
02:05:19
Speaker
So then we can't even say we were done this year. We're going to have to say we're done in 2026 2027 because, well, literally that's how it's aiming.
02:05:30
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But yeah, that's really interesting you feel that way. Because I felt like it was strong enough where it is. But it's interesting to hear what you're saying because it's like...
02:05:44
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Yeah, I see that side of the argument very strongly. Because we don't want to create a false image and then they've seen so many others like us where we're like, yeah, we're using the greatest music ever here.
02:05:57
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But it's like, yeah, you ain't getting the greatest music here. You know, because it's like, you got Hans Zimmer or fucking Tchaikovsky. like, you ain't getting that shit. Yeah.
02:06:09
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And that's not to say that what Adam and Pat and John are doing bad. No, no, not at all. But what I'm saying is that you're not using this. It's not.
02:06:20
Speaker
Because that's just not your film, and then that's creating a false narrative for them. I would say. That's interesting. No, no, that's interesting, man.
02:06:31
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Yeah, you're right. And that's how felt. And the thing is, beyond a doubt, this music is iconic. yeah But also beyond a doubt, like just at first, it's what we're going with. you know It just recontextualizes everything and just presents in this new awesome way. Yeah, that's it.
02:06:53
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Yeah. um That's interesting. Exactly. So what we're ridding on, yeah in a sense, we can't
02:07:09
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We play so close. We so play so tight and loose with Halloween. Yeah. play so tight and loose with a lot of... With everything. With a lot of... truck I mean, a lot of our shots are reminiscent of other shots, but on purpose.
02:07:24
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But you can't draw too much attention to it because if you do, we aren't that good. Yeah. yeah I mean, it's just it's just a matter of fact.
02:07:37
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Yeah. I always think about people will say like, you know, I tried to match a shot from Blade Runner or I tried to match a shot from this movie I love. I tried to to do this setup in a way that was similar, but it never looks the same. Yeah.
02:07:53
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It never has the same feeling. Yeah. It's, there's, there's just something about context and, and things like,
02:08:07
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the overall flow and structure and the way the the whole plays as a as a piece of the ah the pie.
02:08:18
Speaker
I want to say if you just took a picture of a still from a movie, it doesn't necessarily tell you everything you need to know. Yeah.
02:08:30
Speaker
But when you watch Dickhead and you have Halloween playing and you have Twin Peaks playing and you have that and it's not colored very professionally everything the audio isn't done balanced super well and and all these things and it's you're like getting all these weird mixed signals that's not its own thing because it's essentially not using own That's not its sound.
02:09:01
Speaker
So then... Rosemary's Baby is not the story we're telling. We're not telling the story of this woman that's been gaslit by everyone around her. So let me ask you this for our listeners who are trying to come up with their first film.
02:09:13
Speaker
um Then what percentage of that? You know? Like, what... What where it's like, okay, let me send it out. I don't have everything here, but it's good enough to send out. Like, at what percent what percentage were we?
02:09:28
Speaker
And then what percentage to send that out? Because you got to get it out. I mean, you got to get it out there when it's close, right? I think you're better.
02:09:38
Speaker
You're honestly better off just completely waiting until it's a done. At our level? At our level, yes. Because at our level, we only have time.
02:09:50
Speaker
That's our only untenable asset. And we'll spend that as freely as we can. We don't want to wait until 2036 for Dickhead to be done.
02:10:01
Speaker
But no one's going to have... like We're not going to get thrown up by the ceiling tiles and shot to death. no one None of our cast or crew expect this film to ever be finished.
02:10:12
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It is only me and you that are pushing to the end here. No one, like everyone that has worked on this film other than us and currently John, Adam, Pat and Jorge, that's it. Yeah.
02:10:28
Speaker
Everyone, Marianne, Freeman, they're all done with, they haven't probably thought of us in years. Yeah. They don't. We're just those guys who got away with something, right? Yeah.
02:10:39
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where're They're like, well, that that was that thing I wasted all my time doing. Damn. To everyone but us. Yeah. And that's just the nature of where we're at. Because it's taken so long.
02:10:51
Speaker
And the only hope, the only the silver lining here is that we actually make something worthwhile for them.
02:11:02
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And that they have something that they can say that they're they're proud of, that they were a part of, because we took our time to make it the best that it could be. Because there are far worse versions of this.
02:11:14
Speaker
There are unwatchable versions of Dickhead. There are—it gets bad. So do you feel like we've achieved that so far? Yes.
02:11:25
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And I think we're working towards something to something now that is a breath of fresh air. what What achieves that for you? Is it going to be the VFX when it's done? Is it going to be the color when it's done? It's neither. Sound when it's done? It's only sound.
02:11:39
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when when When is this done for you? For me, it's done when we have the completed sound. okay When Foley and the score are where we want it to be.
02:11:52
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The film is where it needs to be. Because to me, we've always are we're always going to have trouble with the image. Mm-hmm. The reason why I've always kind of been pretty happy with the idea of black and white is because black and white covers like 90% of our mistakes.
02:12:09
Speaker
You don't have to worry about day for night in black and white. We don't have to worry about the bare, almost naked sets in a lot of our scenes. We don't have to worry about the weird...
02:12:23
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ah Fact that in part of the college scene, it's blown out because it's the middle of the day, and then towards the end, it's not blown out because it's an afternoon. In black and white, we can just blend that very easily to kind of match and cover every mistake.
02:12:41
Speaker
yeah We use can use shadow and contrast to make the movie mesh and match. Yeah. Whereas we wanted to have an idea for color.
02:12:53
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We wanted to use these very sharp and standout reds for Marianne and her hair and her shoes and her backpack is red. Her folder is red. Her shoes are red. Her hair is red.
02:13:06
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We have these colors for her. And then we have these matching muted tones for Tom and Richard. Mm-hmm. But outside of that, we didn't do anything with color.
02:13:19
Speaker
Yeah. We didn't dress anyone in a specific color or matte or tone. We didn't set dress for color. We didn't light that interesting for color it in a lot of our shots.
02:13:34
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I mean, half of our shots just look better in black and white just purely on the fact that there ain't that much color to look at. So then with that color versus everything else, um how do you want Dickhead to be seen? Do you want it to be seen on a big screen anyway?
02:13:54
Speaker
Is any way just good enough? Or is like, hey, no, I want this to be seen in a theatrical way.
02:14:05
Speaker
I think I've come to this term or this...
02:14:10
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decision this place where we're at with the film and where we're at with just the struggle like I feel like there were there was like a short time a little bit ago like maybe in like December November where it was like shit this is gonna get taken care of it's gonna be handled mm-hmm And then we kind of let things slip.
02:14:33
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And this year we've kind of been hit with the fact that we've been letting things slip and that we actually need to be more of active participant and constantly addressing things and have making sure that the team is working and working on our notes and that we are all on the same page for when things are done. Yeah, so it makes sense more too.
02:14:56
Speaker
And All this struggle. And it and it's like, fuck, dude. You're burnt out. I'm burnt out. We're trying not to burn our teams out. We're trying to just get to a point. And I'm just at a point where if we can just watch this movie in a room full of strangers once, that's all I really need. But is that a good point to get to? i mean, we got to be that strong force.
02:15:19
Speaker
I want to say it's it's more just... i just need we just i am I just need to see it done. yeah And
02:15:33
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and if we can get it done, that is the cro that's the hurdle that feels so impossible at this moment. Do you feel like it's getting done? I feel like we're getting closer to being done.
02:15:45
Speaker
But do you feel like it's getting done? No, I don't. So you feel like we're spinning our wheels right now? We are. ela Because even the if sound was done tomorrow, we'd still have so much to figure out with VFX, the picture. and if And that is if sound was done and we were happy.
02:16:09
Speaker
Are you happy with how sound is? are you are you No, sound's not there entirely. No. I mean, I'm happy with a lot of the tracks. I'm happy with yeah the actual music.
02:16:21
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I don't know if the timing is right everywhere. I don't know if even the tracks are right everywhere. And we've been working with our sound team for almost a year.
02:16:33
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And I'm just thinking... But it's gotten better and better. No, it's it is, but... yeah we We know we're taking up these people's time in their lives. and But don't you feel like that's leading you to this completion?
02:16:47
Speaker
It is. my but and i And I think we've made a lot of progress since we had that meeting on sound. I think we've actually made a lot of stride. I'm way happier with the way music is. Honestly, I'm just i'm i'm blown away with how much better it is.
02:17:06
Speaker
I told you that it's, it's night and day. The tracks that I don't like that weren't working, we either replaced or are like happy with. There are ah still a couple things where I'm not sure.
02:17:20
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So we have to figure that out.
02:17:23
Speaker
And that's why I've kind of been doing these tests that I'm going to send to them to see like, Hey, can you guys work this out? Yeah. Um, But other than that, like dude, um i'm thrill I'm thrilled. Don't get me wrong. It's not doom and gloom.
02:17:39
Speaker
But just burnt out because it's been 10 years? but it's like We're going on 10? But at the same time, it's like, we got to finish this. god that We have to actually finish this movie. Well, yeah, we've been doing this for 10 years.
02:17:52
Speaker
and and there's been And the sad thing is, it's just like it was like seven or so passive years of... I mean, we haven't aggressively attacked it this entire time.
02:18:07
Speaker
um there's no There's no going back. There's no excuses to be made. Like, life just happened. And in reality, we've leaned on leaned in as hard as we can on the fact that, like, yeah, you know, it's going to take it's going to take time.
02:18:23
Speaker
yeah And I'm just hoping—and that's where I've kind of also settled, like, let me just watch this movie with a crowd of people. Because that means that we that means that we've made it into a festival.
02:18:39
Speaker
Because, like, a lot of— Okay, but, you know, let's get away from all that. Sure. Because to focus back on what were talking about, um yeah, you want to see it in front of an audience on the big screen.
02:18:53
Speaker
But is that the smartest way to go for for this, right? Because we want to see a return. To see that would be nice because we spent a lot of money. So that would be helpful.
02:19:06
Speaker
um Like you said earlier, this is a business more than any other art form. Films have to generate money.
02:19:17
Speaker
Yes, but we've...
02:19:21
Speaker
How do we generate money? What's the avenues we take? What are the avenues we take? We have a ah few options for us.
02:19:33
Speaker
We can possibly sell to a ah distributor and or worldwide markets and get the movie out on streaming and stuff and get some yeah portion of our money back.
02:19:49
Speaker
So we do that ourselves. Yeah. This is ourselves. Not go out to outside resources and have them do it for us. yeah this is And then that would give us, hopefully, at least some return so that we can it at at least, the ah at the bear barest of minimums, just have the film out there.
02:20:14
Speaker
Yeah. That's the barest of minimums is that we you know we end up just on 2B. Yeah. We follow in. But the thing is we have higher expectations and hopes.
02:20:27
Speaker
so And that's just the the fact. so I mean, maybe we're delusional. So do those higher expectations result into seeing it on a big screen? Yeah, it does. Because I don't think... I think ah there is a very likely reasonable expectation that we could we don't get into any festivals that we don't want to get into.
02:20:51
Speaker
And that our biggest showing is at the Temecula Film Festival because Steven is our buddy. And he frontlined our film so that everyone sees it on a big screen on opening night and some screen in Temecula. And we're slightly better than Green Jack Film Festival where, you know, who knows.
02:21:11
Speaker
And that is a very realistic and possible scenario. Yeah. It's not where I want to be. It's not what i'm I'm hopeful for. It's not what I'm dreaming of. It's not what I desire.
02:21:23
Speaker
Well, give me some of the good, man, because I've been hearing so much bad. like What are the good at? like What are the good is ah delusions of grandeur coming in? What do they show for you? It's delusion of grandeur. I think this is a realistic possibility is that we find our little niche film festival I don't know if we are getting into a South by Southwest or a Sundance, but we might sneak into a Fantasia or a Fantastic. Why wouldn't we get into South by Southwest?
02:21:52
Speaker
Because we quite literally you just are competing against Alison Brie and the Franco, whatever her husband's name is.
02:22:04
Speaker
That movie premiered at South by Southwest in the midnight section and not the even the main section. And that has Alison Brie and the Franco brother, whatever. Dave Franco, her husband. Dave Franco, yeah.
02:22:15
Speaker
Like that has them. Yeah. They're famous. Yeah. They have people that know them. We have... and Gianluca, a star of the spinoff of Criminal Minds and of a film called Elephants, which no one has ever heard of or seen.
02:22:34
Speaker
We have Marianne Bork, who, while none of these people are bad, they're great. They're great. But you know what? She's been in that movie with the what was that movie called?
02:22:50
Speaker
But that's it. Right. We were this. This is who we're competing against. We're competing against Steven Soderbergh. We're competing against Richard Linklater's independent film.
02:23:02
Speaker
We're competing against Dave Franco and Alison Brie. And so then where do we. shuha Where do we end up? Like, how do we generate any excitement for this?
02:23:16
Speaker
because then We generate excitement by we get to the festival. We get into a festival that shows the kind of movies. So you think it's it's that once we get in, we're in?
02:23:29
Speaker
That's part of it. So we get into a festival, but we have you and I go... yeah And then we just, we meet and we're at every showing and we're talking to people and we're talking to everybody we can.
02:23:44
Speaker
And then maybe that gets us a little bit of notoriety. Maybe we get a review. Maybe we hire a publicist. We fucking get to take a loan out and hire a publicist that helps get the movie out there.
02:23:56
Speaker
Number one thing, we get into a festival. I just want to get into one that's of some reason notoriety of any kind for at least our genre of horror.
02:24:10
Speaker
We see the movie. this is This is my hypothetical, hopeful, good side. We watch the movie with a group of people. It resonates. People talk about it.
02:24:21
Speaker
We hear about it. We get it some kind of offer of anything. any Any amount of money that least is enough for us to pay for a film for us to make together.
02:24:32
Speaker
And we make another movie. We haven't you know we just say, fuck it. Leave our job. Well, you're close to being retired. No. couple years, right?
02:24:44
Speaker
No. Okay. Not that close, man. Yeah.
The journey and challenges of creating 'Dickhead'
02:24:48
Speaker
Well, you know, fuck it. Let's just be homeless. You know, we're just going to do it. the women It's the women's turn.
02:24:57
Speaker
They got to support us now. We got our, we we took our, our ah we fired our shot and it made some ripples and we got to jump on those, right?
02:25:08
Speaker
And that's where we, you know, we just beg and plead that we just, that things can work. And whatever that means is Dickhead gets somewhere. It opens a door somewhere.
02:25:19
Speaker
yeah We get a Saban Films. you know I don't give a fuck if it's Kevin Smith's film festival or whatever. Whodun Dunn has been there. I don't i don't fucking care We watch it with a group of people.
02:25:32
Speaker
We at least get enough money from... Dickhead at least generates enough interest and money that we can do something with it.
02:25:44
Speaker
Yeah. that see That's it. I would be overjoyed.
02:25:50
Speaker
If it goes further than that, every bit of that is icing on the cake.
02:25:59
Speaker
I mean, we know the film isn't perfect. But it it hopefully shows some potential of for us, you and I as filmmakers. That's the only thing we can really hope for. i mean, sounds selfish and fucked up, but like none of our actors are going to be able to benefit from this film. No one's going to be able to benefit from this but us.
02:26:20
Speaker
Maybe... ah Adam Pat will be able to, yeah right? Maybe that will be. is it because of how long it took us? Yeah. I mean, just quite. I mean, it's unfortunate, but it's just a simple fact.
02:26:33
Speaker
I mean, none of our cast and crew are in the business anymore to a degree. they they're 10 years older. Yeah. they're ten years older Yeah.
02:26:46
Speaker
I mean, maybe at best, I would hope, I would hope to God that it could be more like get them jobs, get something for them. But realistically, this is for you and I. Because of how long it took. Yeah.
02:27:01
Speaker
Because of how long it took. i If Dickhead had made Waves three years after it was made, maybe you see Chris LaMonda starring with the Jason Statham in A Working Man, right? Maybe he's... I don't know. so So then how do you want this film to be seen? Do you want it to be seen strictly on the big screen or would you be happy with streaming?
02:27:25
Speaker
I'm not happy with streaming. Just streaming. I want to see it on the big screen a couple times. I want to... i want i I want to take it around. i think it has that potential.
02:27:40
Speaker
If the right, once it's done, once we have all those things figured out, because i think the problem is, is we're present like with so the southway South by Southwest submission.
02:27:54
Speaker
We presented a film with a shit ton of problems. How many films did they get submitted that don't have 10% of our problems that they could just easily select from?
02:28:05
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That also have marketable stars and names that would draw a crowd. We don't. We didn't show that. We showed a film that like you would that you know that you'd probably watch on YouTube.
02:28:19
Speaker
That's what it looks like because we don't have our own music. We don't have a good grade. We don't have, we have, we're missing a lot of stuff. But once you see Dickhead with Adam and Pat's score and John's mix and you see it hopefully without that fucking rectangle and it actually the shots match and yeah look like a one cohesive film and you can follow the story and hear the dialogue and feel the beats and watch the beats ah that are their own, that are unique, that match what they should be.
02:28:59
Speaker
That you can say, hey, this is cool. I like this. It's not better than Halloween. It's not better than Texas Chainsaw Massacre. ah It's not better than Rosemary's Baby or Twin Peaks or Blue Velvet or yeah
02:29:19
Speaker
whatever. But I enjoyed watching it. i enjoyed. ah had fun.
02:29:29
Speaker
It's a little silly. it's very silly, which is good. has silly moments. It's got very serious moments. It has a balance. So since we've actually used this episode to talk about dickhead more than anything, I'll ask you this.
02:29:46
Speaker
Okay. Because you asked me. Kinda.
02:29:52
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Um...
02:29:56
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I want to know kind of your feelings on the thought that
02:30:06
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I guess um really just on the prospect that we could be done. And do you think it's like within our reach? Is it within our reach for this year? Is it, is it within?
02:30:19
Speaker
i don't know about this year because it's taken so long. I think that's still the goal. But yeah, absolutely, man. I mean, we're making a lot of progress every day. You know, we've been stagnant.
02:30:33
Speaker
But we we're stagnant in waves. You know, because there's there's a point where it just reaches where it's like, okay, this is insurmountable. And then we stagnate. And then we have a breakthrough. And then we barrel through.
02:30:47
Speaker
For instance, there was the editing, right? I mean, the editing was just... Such a roadblock for us. And yet we've broken through and now we're at with with sound.
02:30:59
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And yeah, it feels like a bit of stagnation, but it's nothing like where we were at. No. And I think the most important thing to me, ah and i and I think you're probably on the same page here, is that we do just get...
02:31:17
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that unique sound that we get that sound for dickhead. That's, that's, that's not the temp. Um, that, its that's its own thing.
02:31:29
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I think we are close to that. And that's exciting because the scary thing and the hard thing was that it sounded so different for, and that would really made me nervous because I wasn't sure if it was good and are not with that music.
02:31:49
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Yeah. I'm not saying any of the music that Adam or Pat have done are bad. But just to get away from that temp sound? To get away from that. Yeah.
02:32:00
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So then looking back, is that a detriment? Or how do you feel about using like temp audio for so much of the score? ah Honestly, i think with the lessons learned, like if I had to go back and say lessons learned, I would say yeah it's not necessarily a detriment to have attempt track if you are working in any kind of reasonable timeline.
02:32:32
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And that's the caveat that I want to essentially like just nail the, this is, this has to be what is expressed. we just were ah We were just working on it too long.
02:32:44
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I have a hard time not watching scenes and not hearing that fucking score. like When you were were playing it earlier when we were watching it with the the audition AAF that we were working on,
02:32:59
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And some of that music pops in. It's just like, oh yeah, I remember how perfectly all this music was slotting in I remember, and ah I kind of been of avoid actively avoiding listening to the old scores because they really are toxic.
02:33:20
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Because they're exactly what we want. Mm-hmm.
02:33:26
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And of course it's not realistic because those scores already exist. And what we actually needed this whole time was something new.
02:33:37
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And we're getting that now. And that's, I think the thing is is, we just have to, and this is what I think will hold true no matter what is we, you and I have to just come to a place where we think it's good.
02:33:56
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yeah If you think it's good and I think it's good, it's good. Yeah. And it doesn't matter what anyone else says. It doesn't matter. At this point in time.
02:34:07
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and and Yeah. I think we've established that we have a ah level of expectation and a level of taste and confidence and...
02:34:24
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assuredness, however you want to say it, that we know, at least when we hear something good, that it's good. Yeah. And yeah, we'll compromise where we need to, ah but we're not going to try to compromise. We're trying to make the best film within the means.
02:34:43
Speaker
And I think that's, there's something to that as well. And that's why, I'm becoming more and more comfortable with the idea of letting things slide.
02:34:56
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hey And not slide in the in ah in the detriment, but in the sense that where I've been like really struggling with this idea that, damn, are we really going to add another $5,000, $6,000, $7,000 to this budget just for color? And I just keep thinking about it like, damn, dude, like...
02:35:14
Speaker
That's brutal. like We're so close to being done. And yes, it's going to be so much better because it looks i mean just it looks different on your monitor than it did on mine. And that means that we really have to be conscious and aware of these things if we're going to do it ourselves.
02:35:32
Speaker
And if we're going to do it ourselves, the thing is is with the like with us possibly doing the color, because I am of two minds of this. Yeah.
02:35:43
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First is, one, we have to be able to confidently and knowingly make something that will be colored properly for a theater. Yeah. And number two is that we're going to have we have to have fun doing it.
02:36:00
Speaker
That would be nice. Because if if that's the case, then I'm all for us meeting on the weekends and just doing a ah couple scenes at a time and then just being happy with it.
02:36:13
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And are just being done with that. Because you're right, man. When you say, like yeah, you're still paying off debts for Dickhead. We're both still paying off. I mean, mine nearly aren't nearly as bad as your debts, but Jesus Christ, dude.
02:36:29
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We're going to add more to that. Yeah. Potentially. I mean, yeah I know I'm just like looking at like, fuck, at least I've mostly paid everything and I have everything set aside for what we have um for sound and n VFX. I had just been working on, um you know, I got got a loan and stuff for that to get that taken care of.
02:36:51
Speaker
And it's like, i I don't know if I want to do another If we could do it for a reasonable amount, then yes, but I'm getting more and more concerned that we can't.
02:37:03
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And i just don't know if it's worth it realistically. yeah And I want to know what you think about that because and we don't have infinite funds to throw at this.
02:37:19
Speaker
We have time, but even that is like... do we, i don't know how much more effort and, and so it's it seems like it's only getting harder in that regard on the time aspect because our crunches are right. Just, just look at today as an example, we, it got time, got a little bit away, from ah got away from us. We ended up going over a couple hours yeah as we do.
02:37:49
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um And ah and you know it's kind of it bothers me in a sense because I'm just like, I mean, I could podcast with you for another couple hours. Yeah, me too. I'm good right now. I'm good. I could jump on a draft right now. We can hang out.
02:38:03
Speaker
But I'm also like, well, it's after 7. I have to get these kids in bed by like 8, 8.30. And it's like, fuck, that sucks. yeah and And that's the reality now.
02:38:18
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And I think that's what a lot of other filmmakers out there will be looking at and facing, is that reality is going to be getting in the way. yeah um i I mean, I would love to spend $20,000 and send the film to get professionally processed, or $100,000 to get the film professionally processed and cleaned and fixed properly. All that stuff fixed.
02:38:42
Speaker
Yeah. That's just not the world we live in We know it's, and this is, and I don't want it to run into a problem that we did with editing where we just keep, we're looking for people to do something that we're going to ultimately end up doing ourselves and wasting all this time and money trying to find someone to do something that we are ultimately going to do ourselves.
02:39:02
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And that's where I'm kind of like ah afraid or worried ah about because it's like, yeah, we could give someone $3,000 to do whatever job yeah on the color.
02:39:20
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ah We're running into this with VFX where we're running into money versus expectation versus reality versus whatever. Where it's like, yeah, we paid we paid way less than we what we should have gotten.
02:39:33
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Yeah. And we're like the squirrel with the ah little nut between our teeth and we're trying to get out of the fucking avalanche or whatever, right? Or like the ice age. Yeah, we are, man. And like how do you feel about that? like Do you just feel like you got not only the time, but do you really want to put the huge financial investment on that when we could essentially... Yeah, because why are we cutting it so short?
02:40:00
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If this is what I say it is, then yeah, we got to. For me. my my thing is we're going to end up in a, mean, i hate to say it, into a Jorge situation.
02:40:14
Speaker
And that's my concern. I don't think so. Because when we really focus and we're like, this is the next step to take, we were on board with that. And I think we've had that look throughout. um
02:40:28
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You know, with the situations we're in now, it was a little preemptive. Because we just can't move that fast. And I think we're realizing that. you know I've been trying to get out fully notes for a while, but it's taken a lot longer than I thought it would have.
02:40:44
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For obvious reasons. um But we're still making a lot of progress on that. you know like I'm almost done with the notes. And then you'll put your two cents in there, and then we'll ship them off.
02:40:57
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And that'll get worked on. And that's important. And every time we see this film in a new iteration, it's like, yeah, this is fucking great. You know? So as long as that continues as it always has, then we just continue wherever it takes us.
02:41:16
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Because if this is, in my opinion, for me, if this is it, then this is it. Yeah. And I'm fine with that. I'm fine with saying like, yeah, we try to make a movie and it sucked.
02:41:26
Speaker
No one liked it. No one watched it. ah Look, check it out. There might be something you laugh at. Like, I'm fine with saying that. I'm fine with it.
02:41:38
Speaker
But we got to get it to where it can be. Yeah. And until it's there, I'm not going to be okay with it. I have to see it to a it to its completion. And we're getting there closer every day in ways we never thought of.
02:41:54
Speaker
And it's exciting. Yeah. I don't disagree. i just... I guess I'm... It's not going to get better than this, man.
02:42:06
Speaker
There's no second film where it's like, oh yeah, more money was invested. yeah Yeah. It's either this or nothing. I guess I'm just thinking
02:42:18
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if we stick to a logical conclusion that like there's no... I guess but if we go the safest route,
02:42:32
Speaker
But have we ever? Yeah. It's taken 10 years, baby. But have we gone the safest route? I mean- We have, absolutely. We've taken our time. But it's also taken 10 years. Would anyone blame us if we walked away now?
02:42:44
Speaker
No. what No one even knows. Would anyone even care? No. So this isn't the safest route. It is. Because there's no time ever than now to just- We went so safe that it became pointless.
02:42:58
Speaker
Yeah. To everyone but us, which is the point I have made. But we've kept on it. And there was a lot that we just didn't know that we knew wasn't right. Yes.
02:43:08
Speaker
I mean, you watched the early edits and you saw them and you were like, man, this is shit. And it's like, well, I don't know, Tom. Like, I've seen what you cut. Maybe what we can bandaid together. We got something.
02:43:22
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And what we achieved was better than anything we could have hoped for. Yeah. Like that edits tight, dude. Even with the temp music. It's a tight edit. It's tight.
02:43:33
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Yeah. Like there's no bullshitting around that. It's just a tight thing as it should. i mean, we've spent 10 years. That's what I'm saying. It should be fucking tight. And it is. That edit is as tight as it's going to get with what we have. Mm-hmm.
02:43:47
Speaker
I mean, yeah, maybe someone could eke out like a percentage point here and there, but it's like, oh, I just cut off four frames of this shot and added four frames of that. It's not going to be really anything noticeable.
02:44:00
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So we got it to there. And that's something to be proud of and depend on. you know And we still are continuing in that direction, I feel.
02:44:12
Speaker
When I feel like we're just spinning our wheels, that'll be different. But i I haven't gotten to a point where we're not upgrading this film. No, no, no, no, no. And you're not wrong.
02:44:25
Speaker
But that's not my concern because that's always been on us. Yeah, but... And we're running into these issues. And we're running constantly running into these issues. But I'm not going that deep where it's like, well, if this doesn't get done and that doesn't... It's like, no, we're getting it done.
02:44:41
Speaker
Even if we have to compromise now, we're still getting it done. And that's what I'm trying to bring up is...
02:44:50
Speaker
if Because we have so we have Summer who is going potentially, hopefully, be a colorist for us. Yeah. But like if it falls through with her and it just keeps... I guess i'm that is where I'm stuck at.
02:45:05
Speaker
is is For what we have to offer, we're... no we are We are limited and to a degree as well. But that's what I would add is that like, yeah, if we're stuck where we have to end up at black and white, which I don't want, then we'll do that.
02:45:23
Speaker
We're going to do what we can for the best of this film to finish it. Yeah. And that's where I'm struggling is knowing when we're there. Well, yeah we're we're hearing it.
02:45:36
Speaker
Literally. We saw it with the edit and now we're hearing it with the sound and it's getting better. Yeah. So why would we stop thinking about any other aspect yet?
02:45:47
Speaker
Because why would we get so much? So this is me going back to you. Why would we get that much ahead of ourselves? We're not really at coloring and we're really not at VFX, but we need to be, we have to be, we needed to be done with this film years ago, yeah we haven't.
02:46:02
Speaker
so So why let it get to you now? Because we are in continuing to invest more and more and more. But can't you also acknowledge the fact that it's getting better? In some ways, yes. Like sound-wise, mean, you couldn't even hear half the film.
02:46:23
Speaker
And now you can. But we had never... but we had never been... There was never an illusion that we weren't going to have to fix the sound. Yeah, but there was also...
02:46:35
Speaker
There wasn't also the illusion that we it needed to edit it with sound. Like we cut this film where it could play without sound. Yeah. And we knew it could play. And we're getting, we've got there.
02:46:46
Speaker
Like you can hear what they're saying. I'm just saying the effort plus the effort that met is starting to, it's tough to say because we're at the tail end and that's the problem.
02:47:05
Speaker
But hasn't it always been there where it's like conflicted? No, because everything has been just you and me. But why now when it's easier than ever?
02:47:17
Speaker
Because that's the problem is that it's easier than ever and we're not reliant on ourselves. Yeah. And not only are we not reliant on ourselves, there's got to just be a natural point where we're done with the movie. Yeah.
02:47:34
Speaker
right? Yeah, but we're not there yet. I know my opinion. That's what I'm saying. It's like we're getting there. And I think when we are there, we will be. Because would you do another edit?
02:47:47
Speaker
Yeah. You would? Absolutely. lee Well, I wouldn't. I've been wanting to make changes for a while. Every time I've been watching the cuts, I've been thinking, fuck, we could do a better edit.
02:47:58
Speaker
We can make a better edit. Yes, but I'm also fine with where we're at in the edit. That's what I'm saying is I i was like, fuck, we but then you also we could absolutely re-add but then you'll also so we can add scenes. There's stuff that needs to be longer.
02:48:13
Speaker
But then you can also agree with me that you're fine with where it's at. I am. Okay. Because at the same time, and this is why i'm this is why this is where my concern is, is because the more and more we sit with stuff, I'm thinking we do need to make changes to the edit.
02:48:31
Speaker
We do need to make things longer. There are sections that are playing out too fast. There are sections that are playing out too slow. There's stuff that we can make changes to. And I'm like, fuck, I'm getting stuck on shit that shouldn't be a thought.
02:48:47
Speaker
Well, I'm not. I am. I'm constantly... I'm so fucking stuck on this idea that we can need to add Bo back in. I'm so stuck on this idea that but there are scenes that would make the movie flow a little bit better and would add a little bit richer of a backstory.
02:49:04
Speaker
But I would also say that that's one of the benefits of working together is that if you're stuck, I'm not. And when I'm stuck, you're not. Yeah. Like I had an idea like, hey, maybe we should get them to do more um heavy metal music. And you're like, yeah, no, I don't really see that.
02:49:23
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It's not a thing. And it's like, okay, yeah, I could see that. Like if it was me on my own, I would probably ask for that. But with you being so sure, it's like, okay, well then, yeah, it's not that important. So let's just continue on.
02:49:38
Speaker
And i can can I can save myself that time and effort. So what I would say is that, yeah, you might feel like, oh, yeah, we can edit this some more. And it's like, yeah, we could in some parts, but really it's not. Can it be noticeable?
02:49:53
Speaker
And the edits that you might want to apply probably won't affect the film. And the edits that you do want to apply that do affect the film? Nah. We don't need to do that. I know we don't. Because we got it as tight as we can. So so what I'm saying is like there's there's that dependency on you to tell me when, like no, Steven, we don't.
02:50:14
Speaker
And then vice versa. you know no And that that's the best part. So that's why I'm not as worried because at the end of the day, like yeah when I'm throwing you an idea and you're just not on board,
02:50:27
Speaker
okay, yeah, I can probably cancel that and move forward. I think my concern is it's also moving beyond you and me again. And then i feel a responsibility to be done because if even though Adam and Pat got paid and John got paid, once they finish and they're like, hey, we're done and we're not working with them anymore,
02:50:57
Speaker
I want to be done with the movie so that they have something too. Yeah. Because I've already felt like we've kind of betrayed all the goodwill. No, we've been going in that direction. Like, it's we've been getting to better spots.
02:51:11
Speaker
And I think they can agree. No, I agree. So if you can agree to that we're getting to a better spot, then how can you want to quit now? no, no. There's no wanting to quit.
02:51:23
Speaker
It's... I think the idea, it's not wanting to quit. It's shifting the idea of what we need to be doing. We have been for 10 years. Exactly. What I'm saying is like, right? Like with Jorge, I've been thinking. But have we not been like, we've been taking our lumps along the way with post. I mean, we've got guy and two editors that didn't come through like we wanted to.
02:51:47
Speaker
oh every, every. Who knows? That might be a wash, man. That might be a fucking watch, but it won't be for the detriment of the film. It'll just be like, hey, look, man.
02:51:59
Speaker
Yeah, that that didn't fucking work out. Let's just make it black and white because that's it. That's it, Steven. Well, okay. Yeah, but I get my bullets. But part of me. Yeah, you could get your bullets for 500. But part of me is just like, I guess I'm not ready to compromise that hard.
02:52:19
Speaker
But we haven't had to yet. And that's where I'm wondering when when we know that we've hit that point. Because we'll both agree on it. Because that's what I'm just... but Because we're in a really close spot.
02:52:32
Speaker
But that's because we're that's the beauty of working together is that... But that's the thing. When we know we're there and we're not there. i think even when you're not sure, you know that like I'm sure that i'm not we're not there. You're like, okay, well, I can rely on that.
02:52:47
Speaker
And same with you. When you're... and When I'm not sure and you're sure, then it's like, okay, well, answer that answered that. Yeah. Again, to like that metal music that I was saying, hey, maybe we need to have some more. And you're like, yeah, I don't know.
02:53:02
Speaker
It was like, okay, well, then that's probably not something to explore. Regardless if I think it is, but by your response, it's like, okay, I'm not going to invest that much time into that.
02:53:16
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And that's been a reassuring process. yeah I mean, you know, A Jog at Night is, you know, I'm directing that film. My name's on that.
02:53:28
Speaker
You have no, if it never gets seen by the light of day, it's like really nothing on you, right? But, so whenever you give me your opinion on that, it's like, okay, well, then there's still work to be done.
02:53:43
Speaker
And same thing with Dickhead. It's like,
02:53:47
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Again, I can rely on how you feel and how I feel. And it goes to that trust. You don't think there's ever a point beyond how we feel? It's like it just has to I've trusted you this far. You think I'm going to give up on you now? No, no, no. That's not what mean. No, no, no. But what I'm saying is I've trusted on you this far, so that doesn't play.
02:54:07
Speaker
Because if if you're certain on how it's going and I'm certain on what I'm seeing and giving back to me from like audio side, then I know that we're getting to something that's better.
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02:54:18
Speaker
Because audio side is not giving me giving me something that's… I'm like, oh, this is shit. like ah We can't work with this. It's like, no, we can make this better.
02:54:28
Speaker
Make this a little better. Same thing with color. I hope it's like, okay, yeah, we can make this a little better. Even with Jorge doing the… ah Getting rid of the Bermuda rectangle. Yeah.
02:54:39
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You know, there's stuff that's like, yeah, I'm not sure that's working, but it's like, ah but this is still better. And we're getting to a sweet spot. Like, I don't want to use an overlay for our film, but I will if we have to.
02:54:52
Speaker
And we'll make it work. I don't want to go black and white with our film, but I will if we have to, if we have to make that work. You know? And that's not a bad place for me to be at because...
02:55:06
Speaker
I know I'm getting to a place where you're like, okay with it. So I can, I can go there with you. Yeah. You know, and, and, and that keeps me from having that worry of anything else because there's that trust.
02:55:19
Speaker
You know, we've gone through this for 10 years. You've been with me through this for 10 years, regardless. Yeah. When we initially invested, I put up a lot of money up front. You could have walked away. You could have been like, yeah, Steven, this, nah, I'm not going on digging. Where would I be at then?
02:55:36
Speaker
But here you are. And like now I'm like, well, Tom, kind of poor. You got any money? And you're like, yeah, I can put in some money. And we're getting there. You know, there's a huge amount of trust on that.
02:55:47
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. and And if I can rely on that, then I'm fine. I mean, I trust you. Do you know? I mean, that's all. I trust you. I trust your taste. We've gotten to where we've gotten, and I'm happy with it.
02:56:02
Speaker
Deckhead is, in my opinion, is way better than where it originally was three months after you edited it, which I think you put together a fantastic edit. If we ran out with that film that you put out three months after we did it, I'd be fine with that.
02:56:18
Speaker
That'd be like, hey, check this out. This is cool. But what where we've gotten, there's like some subtlety and some nuance. There's some intelligence behind it. And it's like, oh, yeah, there was there is an extra 2% to eke out.
02:56:33
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And I'm fine with that. Oh, Jesus Christ. I'm fine with that. So with coloring, yeah, that'll fix a lot. But the heart was the edit.
02:56:45
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And we've gotten through that. And now where we're at, we're just kind of showing people like, yeah, this is what we were talking about. Because the number one criticism I never heard was from anyone knowing what's going on.
02:56:59
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They would just kind of come in at certain points. But now that you can actually hear what's going on in the film, they have responses to where this film is going. So that means they're listening. yeah And that means a lot to get someone to listen to your film and wonder what's going on.
02:57:15
Speaker
I'm with you, buddy. it's Like I said, ah it's never been a question about where you and I can take it It's a question where the wives could take it. My concern is just... Right, exactly. It's... Where... What... That's up to them, then. They've got to decide if they want to stand behind a guy who did dickhead or not. How much is real life going to kick us in the ass? like That's what my...
02:57:42
Speaker
I guess that's where I'm just kind of trying. I i want to know the path, the plan. and ah And for some aspects, like we're only like three things away from being done.
02:57:53
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Yeah. Right? We've never been closer than ever before in now. Right. Once sound is like completed... There's only VFX and coloring yeah to be done.
02:58:06
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And that's it. And there's light VFX. There's a lot of coloring, but we already know a solution out of coloring. But the thing is, I'm just thinking is like,
02:58:17
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I guess that's where my concern is. It's like, do we really want... our our It's just been such a fucking struggle.
02:58:30
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That aspect of finding people to help. Of course. But we found that too. We've lucked out once. Really. I mean, yes, Jorge's done a great job. We lucked out with our cast, dude.
02:58:42
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but We've lucked out a lot. But god damn, dude. like We got to play that game. we We don't have the luxuries we used to have. No, we don't. But we also have luxuries we didn't have too.
02:58:54
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Like I'm making enough money to where I can sustain myself. Yeah. That's a luxury. My lights are still on.
02:59:04
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You know, that's a fucking a luxury. I mean, there was a point in time for this movie where I was eating nothing but just Top Ramen. And I kind of discovered the point of where Top Ramen is no longer nourishing.
02:59:15
Speaker
Yeah. You know, I've been there. But we're able to still continue. And like I said, I trust we're going to get it to as close as we can. Maybe as close as we can isn't perfect. Like you said, you want to do an edit.
02:59:30
Speaker
I told you, let's edit this out. And we did. i have my issues with the edit. I've been watching the film that they send us. I'm like, oh, that edit's kind of bad.
02:59:41
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yeah And I'm like, well, do they have the actual edit? And then I see it and it's like, no, they don't. Or sometimes I see it and was like, oh yeah, they do. um Most of the time it is, yeah, they do, and it's that's just what we have. Yeah, and and i think and I'm fine with that, though. you know like think my biggest issue when it comes to dickhead is
03:00:06
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wherere to like we're too close to the limbo.
03:00:11
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But when you cross over the limbo, you cross over that line, right? like nimbo Limbo, limbo, limbo. And then you cross over that line. So we're at that line where we're bending over backwards. Yeah. But that's a good spot to be, man. Because we're still trying to do that limbo.
03:00:26
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Yeah. We haven't hit the bar. We haven't fallen down yet. But um what I'm saying is… this I guess i'm I'm used to things ending badly.
03:00:37
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And they might. We made a film called Dickhead. It's probably going to end badly. Like literally, is it going to repay us for the years we spent? No. But that's why I'm like, let's get this done. But that's my point. It's like, it's not going to repay us.
03:00:52
Speaker
Let's finish it as best we can. Yeah. And we're doing that so far. I know, buddy. I get you. I'm just... Yeah, I know. You're being pessimistic. I'm just like...
03:01:05
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i'm The thing... The hardest part about all of this... The real, like, honest to truth, like, you know, and shampoo when the guy's like, yeah, I became a fucking hairdresser because I want to bang hot fucking models.
03:01:22
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And like the honest truth of dickhead is... You want to bring hot models through dickhead? No, it's...
03:01:30
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There's... Between you and me... There's better things on the horizon. Yeah.
03:01:42
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Dickhead, to me, is not this magnum... It's not a magnum opus. It's not... ah It's not the grand story i want to tell. I mean, it's a I think it's a fun, honestly fun, interesting film.
03:01:57
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I do. Without doubt. I'm glad that we made it. But it's not that like the film I want to go out on. It's right it's not that the project to end all projects. And it might be. yeah And that's it ah that's the God's honest truth. it It just might be because...
03:02:18
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But then there's a sincerity in that. Yeah. That we want to hold onto and capture. And I'm fine with that. I'm fine with that. You got to decide if you're fine with it.
03:02:30
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And that's the thing is I just don't think I am. Because
03:02:36
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i guess it's... And this is... God, this is so fucking narcissistic and arrogant. But I know that if you and I got to do this again, it would be better.
03:02:49
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That's fair. But also, it would we we would be able to do this... if we did like Give us essentially the financial resources that could have been what we did to make Dickhead without the green lines, without yeah the actors' cars exploding, with us just knowing how to edit better and just write the script tighter and...
03:03:14
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more economical and pre-production actually being better, rehearsals and things, right? Like all these things that we now have an understanding of. Like I have two minds on this and I have two minds on a lot of things. And it's because I always hold in my hand what I, you know, the dream and then the reality.
03:03:34
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And the dream is, there is no doubt in my mind that we would make better movies if we kept making movies. No, they will only ah ever be better. There's no doubt in my mind, but we got to make this one as best we can.
03:03:47
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youre Yes, but and then there's the the reality that, you know, we... i don't I just don't know.
03:03:59
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like we could be completely delusional. But have we kept without the reality? I mean, like yes. We've been working on this for 10 years, but I still have my power on. You're going to go home, and you're going flick on your light, and the light's going to go on. Yeah.
03:04:14
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So there's a certain amount of
03:04:19
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respect we've kept with this, where we didn't let this consume us. Yeah. So we have to acknowledge that, right? But...
03:04:30
Speaker
It's so tough because you can't obviously go back. No, we can't. We can never make a change, right? But we've always gone forward. and we've gotten Always gone forward. I mean, realistically, when we finally hey, we're done with Dickhead, and if it goes absolutely nowhere...
03:04:50
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but done with dickhead and if it if it went if it goes absolutely nowhere As long as we're still hanging out, watching magic, playing. I'll be like, God damn it, Tom. You'd use all my coins again, huh? I got you enough for another draft.
03:05:07
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ah As long as we're doing that, then then life's okay. That's why we shouldn't bitch as much. But I want to bitch because and that's because it's just simple arrogance. Yeah.
03:05:23
Speaker
And i can't I can't shake it because... Well, should this be easy, though? No, i'm not and I'm not saying it's easy. I'm not saying it's... I guess... But don't you feel like we've also paid our dues and we're still paying them? We've beyond paid our... I think that's the problem.
03:05:42
Speaker
We're not beyond it. I think... We're not beyond it, dude. We made a movie called Dickhead. Be humble about it. We got a lot to pay for that shit. And there was a lot that we took for granted that we're still paying for in the story itself.
03:05:58
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You know, we we had a lot of arrogance to jump on this. And there's a lot involved to allow the completion of this.
03:06:09
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But weve we're on this train, man, and there ain't no getting off this train. I'm not getting off, buddy. But what I'm saying is like,
03:06:18
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I'm just saying this is only the train's first stop. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, and that's fair. But also, if this is the train's last stop because it blew up. You know, I'm content with that.
03:06:30
Speaker
That's what I got to get to is just being content with where we are with this. Yeah, i just that's what that's my problem, I guess. And if there's any other projects, cool. If there's not, well, shit.
03:06:42
Speaker
And I don't want well, shit. I didn't invest myself for a while, shit. But if that is, then I want to get to that place.
03:06:52
Speaker
Yeah, I just... And there's only one way of getting there. It's to actually finish and do it. Yeah. And do it like we've been doing it. Yeah, man.
03:07:05
Speaker
All right. Got to finish it. And we will. so That's not a question, honestly. I guess I just want to finish it before we're dead. I think we will.
03:07:17
Speaker
I don't know. I know we'll finish it. I just...
03:07:22
Speaker
I guess I... um Maybe it's like... And this will be my last comment on the the episode since we're going to wrap things up. Because you had a question here. at the at the very end.
03:07:35
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got to wrap it up because Karen's to kill me. Yeah, you said in closing, what the fuck does Tarantino mean quote mean? Is it true? and And this is what i you know this is one of the things I want to just really emphasize about why it's important that we make films, that we're taking the time that we did on Dickhead, that it's so important to me that Dickhead isn't just the only thing that we do, that we continue to do it.
03:08:01
Speaker
Quentin Tarantino says, if a million people see my movie, I hope they see a million different movies. And to me, I interpret that quote as saying that if you watch Pulp Fiction, you should go and watch Sitting on Fire. You should go and watch but all the films that inspired Pulp Fiction to be Pulp Fiction. You should watch Rolling Thunder and you should explore War Kong Y and you should watch all those films. you should There's a ah beautiful world out there.
03:08:29
Speaker
to explore through just that little TV in your room. If you want to just watch ah Vampire Hunter D or you want to watch fucking Come and See, it's there for you.
03:08:42
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if There's a possibility. And to me, the importance of filmmaking and dickhead as a personal thing for myself and for working with you is that we get to add something to this. Yeah. um
03:09:06
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And we get to, and we are trying to do it from our own perspectives, our own stories. And we try to watch those million other movies. We're trying to watch it all those other films.
03:09:21
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We're trying to make sure that
03:09:26
Speaker
we're not just doing this because it will make us popular with the ladies. It's not just gonna make us famous and rich. and but You think we'd be doing this for 10 years if that was the case?
03:09:40
Speaker
We just want to do this because this there's nothing really better. I mean, we could just be stuck doing our fucking day dead-end, boring-ass jobs for the rest of our lives and yeah just you know have family barbecues and live a pretty decent, normal life.
03:09:58
Speaker
yeah But we're aspiring to do something great, something immortal, something the
03:10:09
Speaker
I think about... I've talked about this on the podcast a million times, and I'll say it one more time. When we were in Big Bear, and you and I were just editing the film, and that was all our... From morning to night, we watched movies, we edited, we worked.
03:10:29
Speaker
Yeah. i I've never felt better, really, in my life than when we were doing that. The times that we've spent editing, shooting the movie, planning the reshoots, those are the times I look on yeah when yeah I think that I have a good life.
03:10:49
Speaker
It was spending those times with you and working on the film and doing this. It's not helping users, IT issues. It's not that.
03:11:00
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It's this. you know Of course, we have our own personal lives and families, and those are our their own accomplishments and achievements, but
03:11:13
Speaker
doing this, is it means something to me, man. It means more to me than anything I've ever done. so I thank you. I love you, buddy. and I know we'll have it done. It's just...
03:11:28
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and This is my own selfish arrogance. and you know There's more. i think there's more. Oh yeah. I hope there's more. And that's that's what I'm holding on to.
03:11:40
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That's why 10 years, 20 years, whatever makes it worth it. Is that there's more. Yeah. yeah And hopefully there's more to this podcast. So check it out.
03:11:56
Speaker
Yeah. And you also asked, what's the next Criterion film? And that would be Annie Hall. Annie Hall by Mr. Woody Allen. We're trying to set up a more routine schedule to record and do these episodes. Yeah.
03:12:13
Speaker
So hopefully with that time gap, and we obviously blew past it today by quite a lot, um
03:12:25
Speaker
that we continue and get things done. Thank you for listening Twin Shadows Podcast, episode 135. ah Maybe in the future only our official intelligence will have listened to this episode. But if that's the case, it doesn't matter. We do this for you and us. And ah we hope that you all have a pleasant and wonderful evening.
03:12:48
Speaker
Cut.