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Episode 65: Witchcraft in the BIPOC Community
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Welcome back Witches and Happy Juneteenth! This week's episode is going to discuss Witchcraft in the BIPOC Community! Our original plan for this episode was to highlight historic witches of color, but it seems that information did not make it into the history books.... sadly we can't say we that we're shocked there... But we regrouped and hope that we have done this episode justice! So get in losers and let's talk about Witchcraft in the BIPOC Community.
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- Gooden, Tai (2019). We need more stories about POC Witches. Nerdist. We Need More Stories About POC Witches - Nerdist
- Oatman, Alexis (2022). Black Witches Debunk the Biggest Myths about the Occult. Essence. https://www.essence.com/culture/black-witches-feature/
- Samuel, Sigal (n.d.). The Witches of Baltimore. The Atlantic. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/11/black-millennials-african-witchcraft-christianity/574393/
- Kellner, D. "Cultural studies, multiculturalism, and media culture.” In G. Dines & J. M, 1995.
- https://www.britannica.com/topic/Juneteenth
- Oatman, Alexis. Black Witches Debunk the Biggest Myths About the Occult. 2022. https://www.essence.com/culture/black-witches-feature/
- White, Heather Rachelle. Between the Devil and the Inquisition: African Slaves and the Witchcraft Trials in Cartagena de Indies. (2005) Vol. 8, Number 2. PDF.
- Thomas, Sophie Saint. Real Life Witches Myths and Misconceptions. https://www.allure.com/story/real-life-witches-myths-misconceptions
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Introduction to the Podcast and Witchcraft Journey
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Do you feel drawn to learn more about witchcraft and the occult but feel lost on where to start? Then welcome to Get In, Loser, We're Doing Witchcraft, a podcast all about what it means to be a witch and where to get started on your journey. Join us as we navigate through various witchy topics and share what we have learned about the craft. So get in, witches, as we talk about witchcraft in the BIPOC community and the importance of representation.
Festival Experiences and Economics
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I was like, I would run for any of this if I don't change it. I am? Yeah. And witchcraft. No way. Like that could be a big podcast. We're actually going to talk about witchcraft.
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What? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's funny. I love that. It almost feels bruised. You know, like when you're like talk too much because like literally yesterday I was basically singing from two until midnight. Yeah. That's a big no for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad you had fun. Like, I mean, obviously it would have been really cool to go, but I don't think I could have stayed the whole time.
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And then we went late. We went two hours into it. Because I was like, I don't know any of these bands. And I looked them up and I was like, I don't really care to see any of these bands. And Anthony was like, Des Rocks. And I was like, that's where we'll go for Des Rocks. Yeah. So yeah, because it started at noon. Jesus.
00:01:54
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Yeah. I wonder how the people who've been there like all day fared because you know, like the people, you know, on the field, right? Or the lawn area to get there early if they want to really good seats and yeah. Cause I mean, it's just a big open area and it's first come first serve. Yeah. What was nice for this particular, like for Point Fest in particular, they allow you to bring in empty camelbacks and a one gallon Ziploc bag that you can fill with food, like snacks and stuff.
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But we were talking about they probably do that now because they got sick of all the people being like, well, I can spend my money on food or booze and I'm at a concert trying to have fun. So you get a lot of overly drunk people or people falling out because they're in the heat drinking nothing but booze because they're not going to spend $6 on a small bottle of water every time at a venue.
00:02:49
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Yeah. They probably got tired of people either being just too drunk to be there or passing out left and right. So they let people bring that now. It's also just so fucked up that you see this at all sorts of festivals and concerts and stuff like that where it is $6 a water bottle, $8 a water bottle. This is bullshit. Water should be free. It really should be free.
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Yeah. So if you brought, they let you bring a Camelbak or a reusable water bottle, as long as it was clear, it could be like tented, but it had to be like see-through. And then they had water fill-up stations for free. Yeah. Yeah. And they, and I think, so when we were young, kind of
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this is their model. You could bring empty camelbacks or reusable water bottles. They had water stations that you just took your camelback up to and they would fill it all the way with cold water. And the food there wasn't expensive. It was pricier than if you bought it outside of a festival, but it wasn't like $20 for a
BIPOC Witchcraft on Juneteenth: Representation and Challenges
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thing. Because that's the other thing, even the alcohol, it's criminal. Like a seltzer,
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Cause that's what we, we just drank the neutral seltzers $20 a can. That is stupid. Yeah. And they're like, well, we can have it set at whatever price you want because people will buy it.
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Yeah, it's because you don't have any other options, you know, like, and you see that, you see that every festival, you see that at the airport, the airport, everything, it's like, well, you're stuck here. But if you're hungry, yeah, we got food, but it's gonna cost you. And it's like, this is outrageous. It should be illegal. Yeah, it really should be. Anywho,
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This is, I feel like a, uh, I don't know. It's not going to be like the funnest episode that we've ever done. I guess I should say, but it's an important one. I think it really is. Yeah. So what are we talking about? We are talking about.
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I was going to say Juneteenth. We're not talking about Juneteenth, but we are going to talk a little bit about Juneteenth. We're talking about witchcraft in the BIPOC community. I feel like this episode, like you said, it's important one to talk about. We knew this episode was going to be released on Juneteenth, which for our listeners who are not American,
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Juneteenth is a holiday celebrated on the 19th of June to commemorate the emancipation of enslaved people in the United States. And it was first like just a brief little teeny tiny history about Juneteenth. It was first celebrated in Texas on June 19th 1865 when enslaved people were declared free under the terms of the Emancipation Proclamation.
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So that's kind of, we knew that this was going to be released on Juneteenth. And so we figured we would research and try to highlight, if we could, maybe, or profile some witches of color or witches from the BIPOC community. But it was a struggle. I mean, it was really difficult.
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And I think it's important too. Obviously, we're not subject matter experts in this. We just felt like if we're going to be releasing a podcast episode on that day, it's important to highlight that and bring it to light. But at the same time, like you said, it was very hard to find information.
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We originally for this episode had planned to choose a couple of witchy people from the BIPOC community and research them and kind of profile them and talk about all the amazing things that they maybe did, but it's just that information did not exist anywhere for us. Again, maybe I don't know, maybe I looked in the wrong areas, but I could not find
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anything. Same, I couldn't either and it didn't matter how I would try to phrase the searches or what like anytime you search like if you try to search like like BIPOC witches or witches of color or anything like that all that would come up is like oh how to work with color in witchcraft or here's representation in the media and it's like okay
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That's great that we're starting to have shows now where we have this representation. But at the same time, why is it not being really discussed in anywhere? And I know I told you offline, no matter how I phrased the search, the results would be black witches of, and then it would be Salem or
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insert anywhere there was witch hunts and witch trials. And they were all people that were used as scapegoats that weren't even like witchy or practicing witchcraft or really even doing anything other than existing as a person of color during that time. You know, it wasn't even like I was getting information that fit the idea that we kind of originally had planned for.
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Yeah. And while like those stories are important, we didn't want this episode to be about, you know, people who have been wrongly accused of witchcraft. We wanted this episode to be more empowering of like, here are, you know, because we are white women, like we are definitely, like you said, we're not subject matter experts on this.
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we wanted to highlight some voices that are representatives of different populations in different communities. But again, there's nothing on the internet that's just awful. There's no representation out there outside of
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some of the content creators that we have listed towards the end of the episode, but really it just goes to show how important it is. It's ironic that we're talking about representation, we're talking about how important all this stuff is, and the irony is not lost on us that when we're trying to highlight these voices, we are finding nothing historically. Absolutely nothing. Yeah.
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Yeah, it's really sad, like very sad. But again, it just goes to show that obviously this has been a problem for a long time.
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Yeah. And I'm not saying if there's, and that's the thing is like, we're not saying that there, these voices aren't out there and that these ancestral, like historical, like BIPOC, witches of color, like, you know, just whatever. I'm not saying that those people didn't exist, but they're not documented. Yeah. It wasn't written in the history books. Yeah.
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So historically, witchcraft has been a way to empower those that have been silenced, have had their rights taken away from them, and have been made to feel small and powerless within a greater society.
Empowerment through Witchcraft and Historical Erasure
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Witchcraft has acted in ways that allow individuals to take that power back. This speaks to the BIPOC, LGBTQ+, and other communities just in general.
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even in today's society sadly because these groups are still used as scapegoats for so many societal issues. It's a cycle that seems to continually repeat itself over and over again in new ways with emerging issue like quote unquote issues and those that are in the marginalized parts of our society are always affected and this is partly why witchcraft is such a diverse group of people because it does empower and it helps like
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give that power back. So there was a report called Between the Devil and the Inquisition African Slaves and the Witchcraft Trials in the Cartagena de Endes that was published in the North Star Academic Journal discussed the fact that during the 1620s Europe and America both labeled black witches
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as dark, evil beings with strong ties to the devil. And there was this idea that dark skin linked a person to the devil in turn demonizing non-white peoples. And this can also be seen in, you know, the Spanish medieval art where the devil is actually portrayed as a black man, which is wild and just fucking rude. It is. And I mean,
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Because of this too, it's not a far stretch to imagine that.
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what this is highlighted and this is what we see in mainstream culture regarding witchcraft and paganism because it's all through the lens of the white witch and mainstream media like witches of color have historically shown up as the antagonist or as a support character to a white protagonist and I didn't even I when I was reading that because I read that on Nerdist when I was reading that I was like oh my god like I knew that but like being able to put that into the words like it is actually it's so true any
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like any mainstream media like popular show or movie or anything, they're either shown as the antagonist or as a support character, that's it. Like they are not like the main character. And it's only just recently becoming a thing where now we are seeing a few shows put them in like putting, you know, witches of color and people from the BIPOC community as front runners in these shows and showing them as
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a main character. But you haven't seen that until recently. So when I was reading more about witchcraft in the BIPOC community, I came across this quote from Maya Spalter. She is a Black witch and author. She wrote Enchanted
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enchantments, a modern witch's guide to self-possession. And this quote I thought was so important because it really highlights what you were saying about like how like Spanish meetable art, like how the devil was depicted and everything. So she said like the devil's a Christian thing. You guys, quote unquote Christians, came up with that.
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that doesn't actually play into witchcraft as I know it. And I think this can read for all cultures that practice witchcraft, but I think it's important to especially talk about it when we discuss BIPOC communities and witchcraft because so often they're portrayed as negative and evil and that's how their magic is seen
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and historically stereotyped and in mainstream media. In episode 63 we covered misconceptions in witchcraft and within the episode I actually discussed the use of the term like quote-unquote white or quote-unquote light magic versus black or dark magic and while these terms are commonly used within the media in terms of witchcraft it's so important to shed light on the fact that
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These terms were used to divide magic in a racial way. Historically, that like, I'm not going to say quote unquote every time because I feel like there's so many times that I have to reference this. So just know that if I'm saying white, light, black, dark, it's there's quotes around it in this. But historically, white or light magic has been used to symbolize good and pure and black or dark magic.
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was used to symbolize bad and evil. And it's also not a secret that the types of witchcraft associated with the terms black or dark magic came from communities of color.
Magic, Morality, and Racial Undertones
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So you'll often see the evil connotation connected to things like hoodoo, voodoo, Palomayambe, Santeria, towards medicine men, and other practices that come from the BIPOC cultures
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because that division of magic into black or white magic has those racist undertones. And I actually mentioned this person in that episode as well, and I probably butcher their name, so I'm so sorry if I do, but it's
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Ma'uya Ka'eljama Balmani, and they were born into a family of African and Caribbean practices that include Hoodu, Vudan, and Samsantria, and they wrote that this quote came from them. They wrote,
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I think magic is magic. We use it and the outcome may benefit one person while stifling another's desires and vice versa. That's not bad or good, black or white. It's just the willingness of one person to see their truth recognized over all others. And just a side note, she also has a new book coming out in November
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called Conjuring the Calabash, empowering women with hoodoo spells and magic. So go check it out. She has a really cool Facebook presence too. I went and I was I looked at all of her stuff. I was trying to find out how to pronounce her name. And then I ended up on her Facebook. And then I found out about her book. And I was like, Oh my gosh, I love this whole rabbit hole. But
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Basically, just to kind of like wrap that up, magic itself isn't inherently good or evil. It's a tool that's harnessed by people. People of any race, any culture, any background, etc. can be good just as they can be evil. So just, you know, try to remember that when using those terms. Like if you use the term black or dark, dark magics, when discussing magical practices from other cultures, like try to keep that in mind.
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Yeah, and also like try to like remember and understand that a lot of real life witchcraft has its ties to places like Africa, Central and South America and indigenous cultures. We talked about this more in depth in our New Orleans episode, but for many of these cultures due to white colonialism,
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racism, manifest destiny, slavery, etc. They were forced to either practice in secret or assimilate into white culture in order to survive. So, I mean, Black witches, especially those who study traditional African practices like kudu and vudan, experience rampant anti-Blackness even inside their respective communities, assuming that what they believe and what they practice is demonic and evil. And this is something that, like, I mean, we recently talked about, like, I know somebody who is
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I mean, without basically saying everything. Because of the ignorance that people have and associate with these practices, they assume that all of it is evil without even trying to do any sort of research to understand it.
00:17:31
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And it's awful. African American witchcraft originated in West Africa, and it's usually classified as, or talked about as, I could be saying this wrong, Yoruba. And it focused on reverence of ancestors and the worship of deities known as orishas. And I could be saying that wrong as well, and I apologize if I mispronounce it. I wasn't sure how to pronounce it, and I couldn't really find pronunciation for it.
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You guys know, if you've listened to any episode where we've had to try to pronounce stuff, we try really hard. We do our research, we listen to pronunciations, and it just doesn't always work out. Right. But it was brought to America by West Africans via the slave trade when Africans were stolen from their homeland and forced into slavery.
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And so today, many Black witches in America are practicing Yoruba-based faiths and practicing ancestral magic, like what their ancestors would have practiced.
Breaking Stereotypes: Importance of BIPOC Representation
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But this is also important to highlight because most Black Americans, they might not even be able to trace their ancestry back. And so being able to tie in with ancestors or
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even just knowing like okay I may not know where my ancestors exactly came from but I know that they came from West Africa or they came from you know around this area. Being able to kind of tie that back into ancestral magic I think is very important. Having access to witches of color allows for representation and it can help those who are interested in paganism and witchcraft feel like they belong. And having more representation in the media, on tv, in books, and in social media helps to reduce the stigma that exists for witches of color.
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I pulled this quote from Douglas Kellner and I thought it was really important to highlight in this episode because we spoke a lot on this episode and in previous episodes about representation in media. He says, media helps us shape our view of the world and our deepest values. What we consider good or bad, positive or negative, moral or evil.
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media demonstrates who has power and who is powerless, who is allowed to exercise force and violence and who is not. They dramatize and legitimize the power of the forces that be and show the powerless that they must stay their places or be oppressed. And this just like further goes to highlight our point here, like
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The representation that we have in the media when it comes to BIPOC communities, especially when it comes to witchcraft, is non-existent. And the more representation that we have out there of BIPOC witches speaking their truth, talking about their practices, and being, I guess, role models or having that representation for others to see,
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is, I mean, I mean, some of the best things that is so important. Like, I don't know what else to say about that. Like, I mean, I feel like I'm like beating a dead horse after this point. But yeah, the best things that we can do, though, is white witches, because especially if you are listening to this as a white witch and you're like, Oh, my gosh, like now I feel like awful, like I didn't know any of this stuff. It's okay. Like, I mean, as long as you are not racist in your beliefs, and you're, you know,
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like a good human, like you're fine. But the best things that we can do in as white witches to kind of help this is to boost the voices of BIPOC witches and creators. Again, always, this is something we've preached all the time.
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Always do your research and understand the differences between cultural appropriation and appreciation. Know whenever you're practicing something that is a closed practice. Understand why certain things are not for you, but also support small businesses owned by witches of color if you can. Instead of supporting big corporations that whitewash and rebrand, I mean, and a huge example of this, don't buy your witchy supplies from Sephora or Urban Outfitters. We're not saying,
00:21:34
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Don't shop at the Dollar Tree or something because like we we have listed that as a resource for people who may not have like the
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access to other resources. But like, I mean, if you have the money to shop at Sephora and Urban Outfitters, you have the money to purchase from small businesses owned by, which is a color, like I'm just saying, you know what I mean? Yeah, like make smart choices with your money and invest in people who deserve it.
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don't, again, like Sephora and Urban Outfitters and all these big corporations, they can be great for things that you need. But if you're buying something that should be being purchased from indigenous cultures or the BIPOC community, invest your money there.
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don't give it to Walmart or Sephora or whatever just because it's there. If you plan to buy something, do a little bit of research. Find a small business that you can invest in if you're going to be spending that money anyways.
00:22:40
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Yeah, and this is something that I didn't put on the list, but I think it's important to talk about too is just know that you don't need to be their voice. You just need to be able to highlight their voice, boost their voices, don't be their voice, don't act like you know everything there is to know about them. And that's why we kind of came at this
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episode the way that we did like we didn't want to talk about like okay this is all about voodoo and this is all about hoodoo and this is like we're gonna tell you about these practices because we do not belong to those cultures we do not practice those because i mean that's not for us and there's some things like that we need to understand as white people we don't belong to that and we don't need to claim ownership of it
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And so just understand to know your place, know that there are going to be spaces that are not for you and that's okay.
Cultural Appreciation vs. Appropriation
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It doesn't mean that anyone's trying to be rude or hateful towards you or anything like that, but understand that in a lot of these BIPOC cultures, not only have they historically been oppressed forever, but they continue to be oppressed and they need their own space and they need their own voices. And instead of trying to be that voice for them, we just need to boost it.
00:23:54
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Yeah, well and you know like I was literally this episode came out of I noticed we needed some more topics and I started like looking at when things were coming out like is there something we need to cover based on like a time of year and I noticed this episode was releasing on Juneteenth and I approached it like this particular episode topic with Sam but also like kind of struggled with it because I didn't want it to come across like we were
00:24:24
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I don't know, like stealing the spotlight on this holiday kind of thing. You know, like it was a very hard topic to try to cover respectfully, I think. Yeah. Like trying to figure out exactly like where we should, like what we should be discussing. And again, like our original plan was to highlight, you know, historical like
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BIPOC community which is and it just that information wasn't out there and we had to go back to the drawing board and say like what do we want to cover without like stepping on someone else's like culture or like taking the spotlight from something so it was a hard one to like try to figure out but also one that was important to to highlight because I mean it should it this should be discussed so this should be this shouldn't be something that you struggle
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to research if you're looking for that information, especially if you're in that community and you're wanting, you know, like a role model or more information, like it shouldn't be a topic that's not discussed and not researched and not out there. So it was hard, but here we are. And because it was hard, that's basically all of the like,
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historical information that we have for you. We did want to kind of, you know, obviously we all follow people on Instagram and TikTok and social media and YouTube and read books and stuff. So we went through some of our like people that we follow and picked some of our favorite BIPOC creators.
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So the first one I have is Mint Fairy. She's on YouTube. She's adorable. She makes great witchy content. She also has a wide range of content. Some stuff is just like her day to day life and it's really cute. Some is discussing specific products or doing unboxings. And then the bulk of her channel is witchy related. And we've referenced her a few times on the podcast. Like both of us have actually like
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used some of her content for research purposes. We love her channel. So if you haven't already checked her out, we've talked about her multiple times. Go watch her videos on YouTube. She is a great content creator. I love her. Her channel is just so cute and soothing and fun. I love it. Everyone should watch her.
00:26:51
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Yes, you should. She's really amazing. So someone that I really love, all of mine are on TikTok. I feel like I barely watch YouTube nowadays. And I hardly ever listen to podcasts. I don't know. I've been in a slump where I've just been reading or listening to audio books or on TikTok. So all of mine are...
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TikTok content creators. Sorry guys. Which is fine. It's fine. It's fine, yeah. The Apprentice on TikTok is amazing. It's a male witch from Northern Mariana Islands. On his channel, he says he goes by any pronouns, but he does say that he's a male witch from Mariana Island. We're just going to
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say he since he does clarify he goes by any pronoun his channel is very very informative he goes over books tools spirits deities he has a whole like section of videos on like divination apothecary stuff spells and rituals and my favorite thing about his tiktok is he
00:27:53
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Delves into tropical witchcraft and that was something that's been so hard for me since moving to a subtropical island like not having access to some of the same like Plants and herbs and spaces that we had in England. So yeah binding his tick-tock has been amazing just being able to see like these are some of the things that I
00:28:15
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he has in Northern Mariana Islands that I also have access to here. And so it's, it's been really cool to see that. I love that. And you know, that's something that every time we've done like a plant episode, you know, we try to try to tackle plants from all over, because we want to like try and be inclusive for people that might not have access to some of the stuff that we have. So I think that's so awesome that like,
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because of their location, they're sharing the information. Like this is what you can use should you be in like an island, a tropical island, you know? Yes, yeah. That's really cool. Another one I have on my list is the Better Witch podcast, which I love the premise of her podcast because every episode is like focusing on being a better witch essentially. So it'll be like a better kitchen witch or a better whatever witch.
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Yeah, she has somebody on that's also a subject matter, like expert on those topics in every episode. So like it's always like a back and forth with new people in every episode. It's hosted by the Bronx Witch. This podcast has two seasons out. And it just it covers like a wide variety of topics with special guests. And again, it's all focusing on being a better witch. So how
BIPOC Content Creators in Witchcraft
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to be a better green witch or hedge witch or whatever. It's really cute. I love
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love this podcast. Yeah, I'll have to add them. Yeah, because I love it. I love that. Like I had to stop listening to podcasts for a little while because I kept getting like just suckered into like the true crime ones. And I'm just like, I can't just listen. I mean, they're great, but it's like, it's a lot of darkness. So I'm just, I gotta stop.
00:29:56
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And then I would struggle because we've talked about this too. Not everyone, but there are some witchy content creators out there that do have podcasts that I feel like, I don't know, it doesn't do it for me. I'm not saying anything negative about their podcast, but it might be hard to listen to because of maybe the audio quality or something, or they jump around a lot.
00:30:22
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And so sometimes it makes it difficult, but like having like a really good podcast out there that is witchy and I'm all for. Yeah.
00:30:30
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We love us a good witchy podcast. We sure do. And so the next one that I have again, also on TikTok, her name is Honey Rose. She is a black witch. She reads tarot. She has a lot of videos on like ancestor veneration. And her TikTok is so funny. Like she doesn't just do not every video that she puts out on TikTok is like
00:30:53
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inherently like the witchiest thing ever or like here's like information and all this. Some of it's just like funny and like she's super down to earth and I really like her so check her out.
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I love this one in particular that I'm about to share. It's the Jasmine's garden and she's on both Instagram and TikTok and I absolutely love the way that she doesn't hold back in any of her content. I don't know if you've watched her. I think I might have sent some stuff. She's fantastic. There's no filter.
00:31:25
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There's no fucks given, just like pure honesty with a dash of pettiness and I'm here for it. I fucking love her videos. And sometimes they're so like, she'll get on there and just be like,
00:31:37
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like knock it off like you're beautiful like do you know do whatever you gotta do do your shit like stop stop like procrastinating stop you know like it's just there's no holding back with her and i fucking love it every time she comes across i'm like immediately stops to watch the video and send it to you yes i love to how her videos because there's some you know content creators that they all of their videos are like
00:32:02
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and posts are like super aesthetic and it's like, you know, it feels staged. And not that like you, you know, I love like some of the, you know, these aesthetic videos and stuff too, like everybody else. But one thing I love about hers, it just feels like you're talking to a friend. Like she is just like, she's so real. Like she doesn't have to hide anything. She doesn't have to make anything super aesthetic. And I love that about her too. Yeah. I love her so much. Everyone should be watching her. She's great.
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Yeah and so the last one that we're going to highlight, her name is Naasha Williams and she is an author, an activist, and a creator. She created the black tarot deck and it is beautiful. If you haven't checked out these cards, like they are, it is a beautiful deck. It just recently was released. She's on TikTok and she focuses, like a lot of her videos are on decolonization and she gives
00:32:58
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a voice to other BIPOC creators. And I love that. So she will highlight, for instance, one of her videos she released this past year was highlighting indigenous communities talking about Columbus Day, for instance, and how we can take that day and
00:33:15
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Highlight other things of it like instead of calling it Columbus Day, you know I know we've we've already kind of made that switch into you know, discussing it as like Indigenous Peoples Day and things like that, but the way that she Highlights the other voices of other content creators in the bipoc community. I love that about her channel So if you are not following her you should because she is a great
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great activist to follow. And that like obviously this list isn't all the content creators out there. This again, we're just trying to like highlight a few that we follow. If you have some favorites, let us know. We'd love to see more. Let us know. Like we are all about like trying to find new information, new content creators. And if you know, sorry, if you can hear Gizmo,
Call for Resources and Historical Figures in BIPOC Witchcraft
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I don't know why he's freaking out downstairs. Can you hear him?
00:34:07
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thought it was my dog at first. I was like, this is my life. I'm sorry. I wonder if like my kids friends are at the door or something. Oh, yeah. But also if you know of like, a witch like historically a BIPOC witch or like, you know, somebody from, you know, one of like an indigenous culture or something that
00:34:27
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you want us to highlight on the podcast, let us know because, again, we had so much trouble finding information, but like you said, maybe we were looking at it completely wrong. I mean, I immediately messaged you. I was like, I feel really dumb right now because I can't find anything. Maybe I'm just typing things in the wrong help. Then I couldn't find anything either. I'm just like, what the heck?
00:34:54
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I was like, I knew that for some reason when I told you that, I was like, Sam's going to go on there and she's going to be like, what the hell are you talking about? Here's like 80,000 things. And then you were like, no, I can't find anything either. I was like, thank God, because I felt stupid. How am I doing this wrong? Right. Yeah. It was difficult to research. It was very important. Yeah. Yeah. So hopefully we did it justice.
00:35:23
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Yeah. And if we didn't let us know, like if we just, yeah, let us know. It only helps us be better. And I mean, we're here. It won't hurt our feelings. Yeah. We'll take it as like a learning opportunity.
00:35:50
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