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SE1: EP2 Ghosts
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Ghosts! In todays episode we talk about various types of hauntings and discuss an interesting scientific study about the human soul.
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Introduction and Technical Errors
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I'll just phase it out. Yeah. I thought I didn't completely fuck up the audio, but we'll see. it Yeah. On my end, it sounded a bit like you were underwater for a hot minute. Okay. I'll... Hey, everyone. Just in case we may have had a technical error. We're just going to invite you to get cosy. And while we talk about ghosts. Snuggle in. Get your cocoa or your tea.
00:00:30
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with your red wine. Oh get wild with the coffee at seven o'clock maybe. Maybe it's the daytime and you just and the sun's shining as well you know no bias here on weather. True. Who are we to tell you when to listen to this? It could be too
Exploring Different Hauntings
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scary. It could be too scary if it's nighttime Erin. Yeah I mean Catherine and I love a reddit like a spooky Reddit binge, but I can't do it at night. It scares the shit out of me. So I listen and watch, listen and watch the two things you don't do.
00:01:07
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Oh, it's amazing. I have to read that stuff in the daytime. Yeah. Yeah. so Amazing.
00:01:21
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Taster of what's to come with our banter. Um, yeah. Well, should we do an intro like of the most basic of ghosties? I mean... Yes. Yeah, I thought like, so Katherine, last week she did some deep diving into Bigfoot for us.
00:01:39
Speaker
And this week I thought it was only appropriate for me to just do a little bit of research around ghosts. For those of you listening who, again, this might be your first introduction to, you know, we all know what ghosts are, right? But I don't know, I thought it would be cool to talk about different kinds of hauntings, because Catherine and I have a few stories that we want to get into. But I want to just talk about some main hauntings that can happen and knowledge is power right and there's not just one ghost fits all guys there's actually a layer to these um you know which were pretty privy to you might not be so exactly yeah let's delve in let's delve in formal like at the start always good formal at the start is always good i'll edit this
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I reckon we should have like fun clips at the end of our podcast. Okay. We only had a podcast. yeah
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All right. So I did some little internet research and I had so much fun doing it. Was it like predominantly Wikipedia or did you get some cool websites up your sleeves? Well, most of my information Shout out to the guys at haunteddoc.com.
Residual Hauntings and Stone Tape Theory
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Okay. this This is the place. Oh, no. Sorry. It's not haunteddoc.com. It's haunted OC. Oh. It must be based in Orange County, America. but Yeah. Sorry. Just a word doc on a website that you open up. Just a bit of um dodgy.
00:03:21
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exploring. So let me just so pull her up. I can't remember what we've learned. That'll never happen, guys. No subs. Okay, go. So the main kind of hauntings, this is the kind of the the bones the the bones of it. The bones of it all. The bones of all the ghosties. You've got, yeah. you going All right.
00:03:47
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Okay, deliver. You've got residual haunting activity, right? You've also got intelligent activity and you've got your poltergeist activity. So then there's three that I'll just kind of quickly go into, I suppose. Cause then we're sharing our stories. We can kind of try and determine what we think we felt. Yeah, true. Yeah. Okay. Cause I feel like there's, yes. Okay. Good. there's different different things going on Yeah. I'm starting to think that now. Hmm.
00:04:16
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um Residual though is always interesting, isn't it? Yeah, residual is really interesting. So like if you have never heard about a residual haunting, there's a theory that if something occurs in a location, so this can be on land or in a building, and if that actually if that event was just extremely chaotic,
00:04:39
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um traumatic and then you can actually experience the opposite end of the spectrum. If something was really um joyful joyful, like if there's an event that for years and years and years it's always been a ceremonial spot for events and celebration. These kind of leave an imprint with the atmosphere or A lot of um this stuff is talked about in terms of like buildings because they call it the stone tape theory.
00:05:12
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That's right. Like it's imprinted in the in walls, like in the materials. Yeah. So I want to read this out because I'll butcher it if I don't. So residual hauntings and stone tape theory kind of go hand in hand because essentially what they're talking about is a loop that gets recorded. It's like recorded into the atmosphere, right? Stay with us guys. Stay with us. So it gets recorded into the energy of the building.
00:05:41
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And then, I don't know, there can be specific triggers apparently that set off like a play almost. Oh, okay. So yeah there's things apparently like time of year, like say someone got murdered, you know.
00:05:56
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So the month that person got murdered, it could trigger a haunting style. It's like an anniversary almost of the memory replaying. It's almost like a record replaying. So it's not like, it's not like there's anything actually there trying to be spooky. It's just like, here's a videotape of your dad's murder in 93. Apologies to anyone.
00:06:23
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No. um But yeah, like, we... Apologies to anyone's stats. Ah, yeah. But we do apologize, because fuck, that would be heavy. hint um So yeah, essentially, Stone Tape Theory is a speculation. It's all speculation, guys. We can't prove this... yet. But Stone Tape Theory is a speculation that ghosts and hauntings are analogues to tape recordings.
00:06:51
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It's saying that the mental impressions during during emotional and traumatic events can be projected in the form of energy and recorded onto rocks. So the rocks acts as like the tape, essentially. Like if you have a tape in a cassette, the rock is like the cassette tape.
00:07:09
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o And make kiss it's scientists not like confirmed this though, like not in terms of like ghosts and hauntings, but isn't there something like you literally there is energy in stone. Am I, we might have to deep dive, but a hundred percent think that if I, if we went into it deeper, there would be maybe other studies about energy frequencies. Cause you know how that's a whole other company like crystals crystals and metaphysical stuff.
00:07:38
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The whole idea is about what is the frequency being emitted from that rock. And limestone, because it's got quartz in it, apparently that is even high, like that's a higher chance of situations involving residual hauntings, like because that kind of quartz, so like Perth, Western Australia, like Fremantle Prison, for example, is made- Yeah, filled with limestone. Filled with limestone. And we all know that's spooky as shit, so. Yeah, cool.
00:08:07
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yes less It's almost lesser the lesser, it should be less scary. because um it's just you know If you've got like the same woman giving you this like look as you wake up and it's like every night at 3am and she's doing it every night, you could just be like, oh residual.
00:08:29
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Residual Rachel just doing her thing while I'm sleeping. She doesn't even know she's here. Everything's fine. And then you can just go back to bed guys. It's a good way of putting it. So we've got Residual Rachel. yeah But essentially it's like, I would, I feel like it's, it's the same thing as if you accidentally was, if you were sitting on the couch at night and you rolled onto the remote and your TV started playing and you're like, shit.
00:08:56
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but Yeah, there you go. You're like, I didn't want, I didn't ask for this. that on yeah things king If you're walking around a scary building and you see someone walking up the stairs.
00:09:07
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It's not, and like not all hauntings are actually ah spooky being like, I am going to haunt you. So this is a really cool concept to think about if you ever find yourself in a spooky situation, just say, Hey, this could actually have been a really big event that happened. And we don't yet have the full science to just say, Hey, bleh, this is what it is. But there's a lot of research being done about it.
Intelligent Hauntings vs. Residual Hauntings
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Which is cool. Like maybe that's the one area where people are actually taking it's taking ghouls seriously exactly like i feel like some people even some people maybe who are skeptical i think they love this idea of the stone tape theory do you do you know what i mean like yeah cause because it can be because i can talk about oh but we're just getting more information on how
00:09:58
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This stuff is just recorded into buildings and they could almost discount any intelligence. Ah, you're true. Yeah, you're not wrong there. Like it's a ah way to justify all the other weird shit, yeah which should bring us to number two. What was the other one? What was the number two? So number two was an intelligent one. So the I mean, pretty self-explanatory guys. So you've got stone tape theory, which is like a repeat of an event and it's actually not, there's no intelligence behind it.
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Um, but yeah, intelligent activity is related to a person who has passed away and their spirit interacts with you in real time. So it's not stone take theory, but it's visiting, interacting with people and the environment around them. Um, and yeah. I guess it's like when you see your, your past loved ones sitting on the bed, looking at you. I mean, I'd like to think that would be intellectual in there.
00:10:52
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they're seeing ya. Sometimes they're just mean and bullies and you know they're the fun ones to read about but I couldn't imagine going through it that would be scary. Yeah no I agree it's not nice yeah I reckon it's like So guys, just so you know, I see lots of ghosts. So you're going to hear lots of ghost stories. yeah Fun fact, Erin. Fun fact, I see lots of ghosts. Seen them long enough now that I know it's it's a thing. But yeah, I would say like they're just like humans. It's weird. I don't know what it means, but it's... They're definitely intelligent. So what does that mean? I don't know. Yeah, like they're just on the other on the other side, as you would say. Yeah, that brings me to a fun fact. So as I was researching like intelligent stuff, I came across this whole idea and it's quite funny
00:11:51
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Just I'll try and condense it cause it there could get boring. But I will see. Try and come and chime in with some. Yeah. Reactivities. Do it. So your boring story. I'm sure it's not boring Aaron. Yeah. You tell me if it is. You tell us. So essentially there was research done by a man called Duncan McDougall. It's great already.
00:12:18
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It was a study that was published in 1907. So this was done ages ago. So Duncan McDougall, publishing shit in 1907 about, he wanted to get down to this idea of what the soul was.
00:12:30
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So he did an experiment, it ended up, ah the paper was called Hypothesis Concerning Soul Substance, together with experimental evidence of the existence of such substance. Jesus. So he was really... what I kind of remember having to label experiments that... ridiculously near 10. Anyway, much feel man like he needs to make it clear what he's doing. Anyway, he's like, what is the substance of the soul? Like science, he wants to get down to some maps. So um thanks to abc dot.net.au.
00:13:05
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um They had a science article written in 2004 that I read and because I was curious, I was like, how did he actually study this? Because essentially people write a lot about this. They're they're like, the soul is real. It it weighs 21 grams. so that like Information out there, and people actually on Instagram have a lot of reels about this. They're like, did you know that the soul has a weight? It's 21 grams. it was it I actually saw these reels recently, which is weird. I like how I'm like fluffing it off, but our last episode I was like, and Bigfoot comes from another dimension.
00:13:40
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And then we get into soul weight and I'm like, oh, come on. Anyway, it's just fabric this is why this isn't it. This is my example of why it's good to dig deep. Yes. Okay. so okay Because you found this while does some interesting stuff. Yeah. So first of all, found it on a reel and I was like, that's so cool. Souls are real. Like we do go somewhere after death and all this kind of stuff. And then I'm reading about this article.
00:14:06
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and this hypothesis and shit and this is how he studied it he got he literally signed up six people these six people were terminally ill so they knew that they were going to pass away yeah but what that involved was they had to tell him when they were close to death so he would literally go to each person as they were passing away because you're dying mate you're dying
00:14:33
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I was like, And anyway, so he got in touch with them because already you're thinking, well, if it' so it's someone's lying dead for a while, water content would evaporate from their body, you know, like bowels release, all that kind of stuff. yeah So this way he was able to take all of that into consideration. So essentially,
00:15:00
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essentially everyone, so everyone's like, the soul has 21 grams, but he only studied six bodies. Do you know what I mean? Like you need like a wider net of dying people. And then of the six terminally ill people, only one person lost 21 grams worth of weight.
00:15:24
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So we can't really... This is what hurts me about this sort of stuff. Like you're deep diving. You're doing the right thing. These scientists...
00:15:41
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Listen guys, if you ever are in doubt of like following your dreams, this guy published a paper that we found online about a 21 car. Yes, that's all. You can do anything. You can do anything. Yeah. This is why we started a podcast. Because if he can claim this and people still talk about it to this day,
00:16:02
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We can claim that we might be on the fence with this one. Yeah. So I'm on the fence with this one. I'm glad I read this and found this article about it. Yeah. It's interesting. Um, the other thing is like all other five people, they did lose body weight, but then they gained it again. I think that's more interesting. Like, yeah, they died. They actually lost weight immediately, but then moments later, the weight came back into the body. So the yeah that is weird.
00:16:29
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So strange. Um, but I wouldn't even, my brain's just hemorrhaged. I'm like, I don't know where that like gas, like air coming back in. You know, we've got pause and stuff. Any, I don't know. Very cool. I just have one more fun fact. I know this might be getting a bit boring, but it's not. That was an amazing, ridiculous story. This is good. Ridiculous.
00:16:55
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I had no idea that people thought the soul weighed 21. Like, I can't wait to deep dive into that. Mess up my algorithm. Soul. That's why I love my end algorithm rhythm because it just has random shit and I go, okay, I'm going to look into this. So yeah um so anyway, this guy was obviously inspired by his first study of doing it on humans. So he was like, I'm going to keep going.
00:17:22
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So he started testing this theory on dying dogs, Katherine. Oh my god. alright So we don't know. We're not going to go into how, why dying dogs. But yeah, this is when we decide that we no longer like Duncan. OK, I was like already halfway there, so I can't wait. What is I doing with dogs, goddamn. Yeah, we're dealing with dogs now.
00:17:44
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And the results were inconclusive, right? But McDougall, he wasn't surprised because he didn't think dogs had souls anyway. So he did this experiment. he ah He approached the experiment with his thoughts of this is probably going to fail because dogs don't have souls. Trying to disprove dog souls, essentially. So yeah. like I just have a note i have a note after that and I'm just like, so.
00:18:13
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We don't like Duncan very much. So fuck Duncan. I feel like that's a very biased thing. like he's any you know what irks me is he probably a lot of dogs a lot more dogs died than the six humans he did this experimental oh it's so ridiculous the only thing i can say about him is that at least this was you know back in what did you say 1907 yeah 1800s would have been better but we'll let him have it i mean
00:18:47
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cool that he was thinking that way but so such a science dude when he was like yeah don't have souls I'm like you're not a humanitarian you're just a weird scientist so yeah That's my thoughts on Duncan. No, I loved it. Fuck you, Duncan. Good story, Erin. Yeah, I thought that went in well with the and intelligent haunting, because it is like, what is that part of us that can be perceived in another world, even though it clashes
Poltergeist Activity and Human Energy
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with our world sometimes? and Yeah, no, exactly, because it's not a human body. Like, it's not a zombie thing. It's a what you would think is like a spirit or a soul, like haunting. There's um there's actually a movie based on that whole theory. It's called 21 Grants.
00:19:27
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Oh, it's a thriller. And it was made in 2003. Oh my God. They actually named that movie after the experiment of that guy. And it's actually got 86% on Rotten Tomatoes and 6 out of 10. I need to get around this. That's wild. You should watch it and then give our... We should. Oh, it's got that dude in it. It's a high rating. Like for me,
00:19:55
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For a movie that is called 21 Grands and it's a thriller, 2003, I was like, this is gonna have bad reviews. But people are like, ooh, it's It's got Sean Penn, guys, and Naomi Watts, star-studded cast. Yeah, fucking hell, crime thriller. So it's not like spooky, but um I'll take it. I'll have a gander at that one for sure.
00:20:15
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Um, and what was the last one though? The last one was poltergeist activity. So this is, this is interesting, I think. Yeah, I find this really interesting. Not what people think. I think, no, you tell us what. No, no, I actually want you to say, can you, because I would like you to say, cause I'm curious. yeah Well, this is what I've concluded over maybe the last.
00:20:39
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Maybe only a few years ago. I thought a poltergeist before this was like a really angry malevolent spirit, like a demonic almost. That's what I thought a poltergeist was. And I thought that they... yeah we're out just to fuck shit up so poltergeist like move shit around like they're very much like i'm gonna pick up a glass and shatter it i'm gonna slam doors like they're they're that sort of thing i think like an intelligent haunting can do those things anyway so that's what i thought it was i
00:21:14
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recently have come across the theory that it's more so about our energy. you and and generally polgast yeah you've yeah so sitting here going um um And a lot of people claim a lot of poltergeist activity can pick up when you've got teenagers in the house because they're very hormonal and moody. Where did you learn all this? This happened. I don't know. I don't remember, but it was we were watching something. I actually watched a movie recently that explained all this. The Exorcist?
00:21:56
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Oh, maybe, because we've recently watched that like in in the last year. So maybe that's why it's all fresh in my mind. So maybe, yeah. Great, Katherine, you've essentially done the intro that I needed. Oh my God, guys, I excelled in ghost 101 skill. A lot of people think it's like this demonic thing. And they ah there were a few websites that I visited which added a fourth kind of haunting called demonic haunting. But I'm like, there's no point. i'm I don't like going there because I think there could be actually a podcast on that. The gross stuff. Yeah, like, or even the misconceptions. Yeah, true, true, true, true. yeah But yeah, you're right, Catherine. So I'm just going to go back into my notes. Yeah, most people currently believe that poltergeist activity is actually caused by a living human.
00:22:50
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Um, and the, just if you're one of those kind of people that likes to know random shit, it was a word that has like German origin. And it translates to rumble or knocking ghost, apparently. Oh, okay. Yeah. Um, and historically it's usually being, this is just very, in my opinion, old.
00:23:16
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old-timey misogynist thoughts, but historically has usually been a female that's going through puberty. So a lot of the early sort of people that were talking about post-apocalyptic activity were like, it's the females because they're unhinged and they go through all this emotional and psychological stuff when they're going through puberty, but I'm, you know, we're not of its times for sure. yeah Lock them up guys. They're on their period. whereas women are crazy Because women used to, I mean, I don't know if you know this Catherine, but yeah, a lot of women, if they had really bad periods, they'd get put into mental asylum. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Yeah. I'd be looked up.
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so
00:24:07
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Oh my god. Oh, I nearly choked on my water. Sorry. That let it turn out a giggle. Yeah. That was the first hoop that everyone's probably... like One of many smoker cough hoops, even though we've never smoked in our lives. Only for a short period of time. Yeah. They're probably be like, whose dog is that? It's helping in the back. Oh my god.
00:24:37
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but knee but Anyway, this this website was good because it's like it's since been proven that it can be caused by you know any human at any time in their life yes essentially I got quite deep in this, but I was like, this is all just getting a bit jargony, but there's this whole- You got this jargon. That's funny. like I'll get into it then. The activity is believed to be psychokinetic or PK in nature. Oh, PK, I remember that. Like when you're first like 12 years old reading a book on ghosts and like And I never knew what it meant, but it's like psychokinetic PK in nature because things do move, but it's like the physical object is moved because there is such energy in the house that's been emitted from human. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. And it's a reaction by the brain when the subject is not dealing with a certain thing in a healthy way, which is fascinating. Interesting. like
00:25:41
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Pardon me. um Because I don't know if I vibe with that. like what where are you What are your thoughts on podcasting? This is something that I wrote. I've just been looking at this last sentence, and I'm like, oh, I wrote this. So this is where I stand on it. It's lots of questions. In conclusion, Erin says... right Just from what I read, I said, if we looked at this critically, could the strong emotions and challenging times... Oh, okay, sorry. I didn't explain it well, but I know what I'm going to say.
00:26:11
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This is how I feel about the poltergeist stuff or PK or something. I know I've been through big grief times and when you go through that kind of stuff, I personally believe now that there's like this idea of the veil thinning or like reality. Okay. I'm with you there. Yep. I agree. I do feel like when people are going through things that are intense, it's not like they lose their grip on reality, but it's like,
00:26:41
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you're almost becoming, it you're stretching your idea of your awareness of what the world is. And yeah yeah i mean when you go through grief, you're like, holy shit, bad things can happen and this is turning my life upside down. So is that like against nature or is it just part of our experiences? Puberty is a tough time when you're a kid.
00:27:08
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I know our generation never had tools to deal with that. So yeah, I don't know. What do you mean? does it took Like I get, what do you mean? What am I talking about? I don't know. No, I do know. yeah So I get you, you're saying like trauma, deep emotions, veils of, you know, we can get into this in another episode. I think interdimensional shit is a fun one. yeah Like, you know, when you, you feel less, um,
00:27:38
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When you feel maybe more attached to the spirit world, like, you know, maybe you do feel like, I luck talk and i could talk about some things. but so Okay, this is actually what I was thinking. I was like, is it caused by humans? Like, is this poltergeist activity a PK thing? I believe in some instances it is. But I also think in some instances, when you have this weird vibration that you're emitting. Grief is ah is quite an interesting frequency to experience and it can take you to some pretty low spots. I personally believe that when that happens, and maybe it's only to people who are a bit more sensitive, but I think energies, ghosties, can sense that and they kind of gather around that energy.
00:28:27
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True. So it's like they're not, their mind isn't causing something to move. They're bringing things in. They're bringing things in unknowingly. It's like that ghost that might like that kind of energy because it's familiar with her. It's like, I want to hang out with you because this is the kind of energy I like.
00:28:43
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And then like maybe that person starts getting better and they're like, no, I like that energy. So I'm gonna fuck shit up in your house to skate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, so you're on the right track with your thoughts. Yeah, that's yeah that's where I'm at with that theory. I definitely don't think it's periods making shit move around the house and stuff, you know? Yeah, that like that's a whole other conversation that I can't even go above it having. I don't even want to give it energy because it makes me so angry to think that and like pory um potrygu The Exorcist is a brilliant commentary on that, on women and um yeah being all tra and hysterical and all that shit.
Personal Ghost Stories Begin
00:29:22
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It's a great movie, it still holds up. Yeah, I'm too scared to watch it.
00:29:26
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Oh cool well yeah that was a good rundown I think of you know the general idea of ghosts and where they fall into the categories. I think a good time for a break too. Yeah and I think um we'll come back and just tell some stories. I think that'll be fun. Let's tell a two- story to him. All right we'll see you in a bit. Bye!
00:30:05
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Yeah, so we're just gonna tell some ghost stories, guys. Let's. We have a few. We kind of grew up in a house that we maybe gaslit ourselves to think nothing was going on. Yeah, we did. That we continuously go back to her and go, nah, that was weird, right? That was weird. You tell us. Our poor mother.
00:30:24
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Yeah, our poor mother. We blamed her on a lot of it. Turns out, she was telling the truth. Like, why would she lie? But when I look back, I'm like, I don't know. When you're a teenager, do you trust your mum? I don't know. Yeah, it's weird. Poor mum. I know. Let's see your last mum's. I love you, mum. Children. We love you. Chez-a-bez-a. No one calls her that. Yes, no. We had Moved into this house, I think it was the first house that like our parents had bought, so that was exciting. And we moved in on what, like, eight? Second house they bought. First house was in Nolomara. Oh, I didn't know that. But we won't say suburbs and shit. Not that we're important enough, but it feels weird. um So yeah, this is the second house that our parents owned.
00:31:14
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Okay, so it was I don't know. I just feel like we'd moved around a lot. So it was kind of like yay, this is a house. We were like, this is forever. And they were like, this is it. No more moving. so And I'm like, I don't even, like i I couldn't even tell you. I mean, you might have, you might know, but like, I think there was just this energy. Okay, yeah, let's start with the energy, because I think it's mainly the vibe, which just sounds really wafty and like, everyone's like, where's the evidence? And you're just like, it's just the energy of the house was weird. But there's a difference to being like, scare the dark and then like,
00:31:55
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since the age of nine to the age of like 17. Yeah. To the age of continuously coming back to the house and still feeling like you're 10 years old. um That you want to like run past the laundry. So the laundry was very scary to us. Like you know just that adrenaline rush feeling like so someone's behind you. um So we definitely felt that in the Laundry, and we definitely felt it in the garage, like when you had to get the bins out um at night. That was always a scary moment. Still, you know, to this day, like, is was it? like Was that just us being scared of the dark? Or was it weird out in the laundry area where we had to hang out our clothes? I just hated being in that little, the dank space. Laundry was terrifying, yeah.
00:32:49
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my battery, my laptop. Keep telling little stories, Catherine. I just need to sort out my laptop. Okay. Pretty shit. Um, all right. You look like a hallway. Yeah, so we had like, yeah, the hallway past the laundry, just the whole house sounds like it. Um, and then there was like, um, past the kitchen and living space. There was like a little hallway where me and my sister, me and Erin's room was, we shared a room, lucky us. And then, um, we had,
00:33:17
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like a little hallway of like toilet bathroom and then our brother's room and that was kind of like a weird spot as well. and the um bathroom is generally where like shit would just be missing like you know when you misplace things like this was consistently like like I remember a hairbrush just disappearing and like never coming back and I remember shampoo like just blaming mum like we thought she just cleaned up too much we always thought she was just cleaning up too much and moving our shit around well why did you get rid of this shampoo there was plenty of shampoo
00:33:53
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Blah, blah, blah. And mum would be like, why would I touch your shampoo? Like, why would I pick up half a bottle of shampoo and chuck it out? Just weird things like that. Um, so your hairbrush, shampoo, mascara, like makeup things, especially like in our room. And it was just like, why, why would mum come into our room and make that shit go missing? I don't know. But we were convinced, like ah we would just, me and Catherine would look at each other and be like, fucking mum. Yeah. when around And she'd be like, I didn't. And do you know? Okay. So this is also very interesting. I'm puffing because my laptop nearly died and my charger wasn't working. So I had to get back up. Oh, save the day, Aaron. We won't make that mistake again, will ya? Well, it like have didn't, but it wasn't working because it's an old laptop. oh Anyway. Um, but.
00:34:46
Speaker
Even to this day, totally out of breath. Even to this day, I'm talking a year or two ago, Mum and Dad would have little spats about Mum putting stuff in places. Mum would look at me and be like, I didn't move it. And Dad would be like, you did, yeah.
00:35:09
Speaker
So it's just weird. Yeah, little trickster. We haven't talked about tricksters. they're like to energy Yeah, what it felt like now, looking back. I'm like, I bet there was a little gremlin in our house just fucking with us just to make shit go off. Yeah. um And the other one was... The time you heard knocking. Oh, the knocking. Yeah. So we were in our um Our bed, like sleeping, like literally that was the story. And then, you know, there's this moment where like obviously I was hearing knocking kind of on the outs because our bedroom was the like the back room. So it was like if you looked out our window, it was the backyard essentially. um And a patio, so it's like a little L shape. So we could just hear knocking like, so if someone was out there,
00:35:59
Speaker
on the patio, they'd be knocking on our room. That's kind of where the noise was coming from. It felt like someone was knocking on the brick outside. Yeah, but it was like, it was moving around the wall. Don't you remember that? Like, I don't know, it was like... Catherine was a lot more intrigued by that one. Yes. I believe now that because I'd seen some really gnarly shit in that house, which I can, we'll probably talk about another day, don't have enough time in this episode, but...
00:36:26
Speaker
This is what I think now. So at the time you were kind of frustrated with me because I wasn't quite understanding how weird the sound was. Yeah. And I was like, it's just a tree because it was actually it wasn't a windy night. That's the weird thing. and It was the stillest quietest night. And it was weird because I think it was like even a weekend, but like everyone was in bed quite early. Like normally mom and dad like to hang out in the back.
00:36:50
Speaker
you know, have a hoo-ha time. yeah it wasn't even That wasn't even happening. And that was the weird part, I think, for me. Yeah. Normally there was something, someone, sorry. No, because we thought at one point, we're like, well, maybe dad's out there, hand, you know, unwinding from the dome. And... um ah So good. um Yes, unwinding and...
00:37:20
Speaker
And um I feel like... You actually got up. Do you remember? You were getting up. I had to go up and check because... yeah i with you I came with you. um okay how dude can I would never let you go alone because you piqued my interest. You were on the side of the wall that it was happening. That's what was going on. Like wasn't your bed on that side? You were closest to the the the wall that was happening. Maybe that's weird.
00:37:49
Speaker
Maybe that's something that's actually quite paranormal, the fact that you were hearing it so prominently, and I was like right near the wall. I could i could hear it, but anyway, i I just think that because I'd seen some really weird shit, this was like a cable for me to walk in the park. Yeah, it was very like, I'm so scared. It was just a weird, it was just very, um like, I don't know, can you hear, like it was very, um,
00:38:19
Speaker
like very irregular and and very dull, you know? Yeah,
00:38:26
Speaker
yeah like very subtle. And that's, but that's like when I picked up on it and I was like, but that's, yeah, it was weird. And we checked it out. went outside And there was nothing there. That was my scary moment. And then the kettle would always. win Yeah. And the iron would like, I would get the iron ready to iron in my school uniform or whatever. And I'd go back in the iron would be switched off. And I'd be like, turn the iron off. yeah on and energy with the But the only on that one switch where the kettle and the iron was and always the switch would always turn on and off. That was weird. I usually just didn't like being in that house alone at night. um I would just
00:39:09
Speaker
I always felt safe in that front room, but if I had to like go to the bathroom, I was like, God damn, I have to go all the way through that scary hallway. So that was weird. i ah Sorry, I'm like, there was a definite thing, like other big thing that used to happen all the time. I always used to hear mum's voice calling me and I've read up like a lot of people hear this, but mum used to get quite angry because I'd be like in the bathroom going yes mum what is it and mum's probably just wanting some fucking peace from the kids and she's like I never called your name like and I'll be like well you did she's like you need to stop like I I'm not calling your name you need to stop pretending you know so we had a few not like biffs but like a few discussions like that where maybe she thought I was just being silly I don't know I don't know what she was thinking but but this is the thing like if I had a kid
00:40:01
Speaker
That kept saying, you're calling my name. The thing is, there's so many humans in our house. We've got two older brothers. So, you know, six humans in the house. I was probably thinking someone else is calling your name. You're thinking someone else talking is called. So I shouldn't be like, oh, mom, you should have looked into it more.
00:40:19
Speaker
If my kid kept saying that, like that's weird. Like maybe it was, yeah, I don't know, but I just do remember, I do remember those moments of her just being like, why do you always think I'm calling your name?
The Triangle Man Apparition
00:40:28
Speaker
I'm like, cause that's what I'm hearing. And that is weird cause that never happened to me. I never thought someone was. Yeah, it was like a moment there. Like it wasn't um consistent, but it was definitely like over a period of a year or two that I could, I could probably say it happened like maybe three, three or four times. Wow.
00:40:47
Speaker
but significant I didn't like when we eventually, when our brothers finally moved out of the house after some convincing from us. Get out. We need our own rooms. Um, and you went into the other room and I stayed in our bedroom. I didn't don't know why I decided to stay up. I think I thought you actually quite keen to take that room. Yeah. You were like, I'm in there and I was like, cool. I don't have to make a decision. And then I was like, wait a minute. cut That was moved out of the haunted room. That bedroom was fucked. Maybe that was subconscious. I don't know. I think I like the idea of like making a new space for myself. I don't know. So fair. I just didn't like, um, so from that season of life, what I remember in that room was, cause I eventually got my own TV in there and stuff. Yeah, it was a good setup. It was a good setup. I had a desk and everything, but you know, like, and you could always put this down to,
00:41:41
Speaker
the TV cooling down or the stereo system cooling down and when it makes those cracks. But it would happen even if I, even if I didn't use the TV for two days at night, it would always be making noises. I can't really talk that up to something paranormal but it never felt like it would. Yeah sometimes a feeling. I mean we just always experience hu weird stuff. I remember there was one that like a lot of our friends will all remember and this is even a weird one to me like even talking about it with people because I was like it sounds so stupid and insane. I'm so glad you brought this up because I think I know what you're going to bring up and it was
00:42:16
Speaker
like everyone would kind of rip into you about it. Yeah. You're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Every like and every but the thing is people would rip in. People remember it to this day. They bring it up constantly. I'm like, well, it's in your head, too, because that's how insane it is. Yeah. But like I just came to school one day and I was like, guys, I woke up like I was sitting head on the pillow and I woke up and there was a like, you know, just a shadow, like a dense shadow in the middle of the room.
00:42:46
Speaker
So do you please, sorry to interrupt, but I'm going to need you to detail this as much as you can, because I barely remember this story. and i I barely remember it, Erin, but like I obviously went through something, but I barely remember it, so I don't even understand it. Okay, okay do what you can. I would love maybe someone to look into this.
00:43:06
Speaker
Okay. And see if it's just like a childhood dream state. Like I just love to know, like, you know, who, but I don't see, I don't, some people wake up and they're still dreaming and they see stuff in front of them, whatever that is called, like sleep paralysis and stuff. I'd never had that. Anyway, I woke up and there's really dark shadow in the middle of our room. Like our room was quite big. Thank God. Yeah.
00:43:30
Speaker
yeah Fuckin' hell. well um Yeah, so the thought of it is just disgusting. It was a triangle. I have to laugh. It was a triangle man. like And when I say man, it wasn't a man. And that's the weirdest thing. It was just a ah a dense shadow. And maybe it wasn't a triangle, but my brain, that's all my brain could do kind of see is the shape, like ah like a cone-shaped shadow.
00:43:58
Speaker
um i think it had glowing eyes i can't remember i'm cute yet this is why you say you always said it was a triangle man so that's what kathryn got shit for like in a fun way we'd be like triangle man man triangle man such a like truth in triangle man like everyone was hilarious but i've always wondered what were the features that made you think it wasn't just an object that you were looking at
00:44:25
Speaker
Because it's every sense of um seeing like what you see, you know, when you grow up watching ghosts on TV or like hauntings and, you know, extraordinary sort of stuff. And you see a dense shadow shape and it came, it was, it glided towards me and then I just closed my eyes.
00:44:47
Speaker
Yeah, so it was gross. Like, it was just weird and I can't... I don't think it was a person because I don't think it had arms. I think it was just a shape, like a triangle shape, dense. You said that you think it had little pinhole eyes or something. I think so. Yuck. I think that's the only thing I... but I don't remember. It could have just been dense. Like, I don't remember. But that's like my... maybe maybe it's my brain trying to grasp.
00:45:15
Speaker
some sort of facial feature for it, but maybe it was just a shadow coming towards me. You know what I mean? Yeah. um gro that is a gro one That is pretty gross. um You had another situation. So I'm having a twin moment where I don't remember if this is your memory or mine, but you said that you woke up one morning And okay, so this is a weird feature before we have renovations done. Is this your story? Yeah. Yeah. So we had, it's giving me gross goosebumps. It's giving me goosebumps. Okay. So... It's been really unlocked. I'm like by myself tonight, guys. Anyway. Just just text me and watch Radiohead. Yeah. Or is that more spooky? Depends what album. Anyway, so...
00:46:03
Speaker
I'll just explain the setup of our house that really quickly. We didn't have renovations done at this time and you could tell that the people did like an illegal renovation in our house because there used to be a horseshoe setup and a courtyard. So our bedroom would have been facing out into this courtyard and also out on the other side of the house looking south onto the garden.
00:46:27
Speaker
yeah Then somewhere along the lines, the people that were in the house before like before us closed up the courtyard. So now the kitchen and our bedroom were like, there was a living room in between it rather than the courtyard. Yes, but they didn't get rid of the window. So we had a window from, it was so annoying that we had a window, floor to ceiling window. that you could And the boys just used to like peek on us playing with our toys. And like us yeah we eventually got curtains that we would like blue tack there. But yeah, I think the weird things that people do with their homes. So eventually mum and dad like plastered and bricked it all up. But for a long time, you could peek out through the bedroom curtain and see who was in the kitchen. So it was kind of good at sometimes when it's like, oh, there's too many people in the kitchen. I'll go make lunch later or whatever. yeah
00:47:15
Speaker
Anyway, so just so you know what Catherine's talking about and why she could see into the kitchen from our bedroom. Yeah. So this was really early in the morning. i'm like agree This is always interesting. um Again, I think this was like before our teens, so like 10.
00:47:32
Speaker
not You know, isn't it weird like things happen when you're younger? um Yeah, so like 9, 10. And this was, I mean, yeah, it definitely would have been earlier days because the window was still there. um And I specifically remember being up early but not needing to be. So like the fact that I was up was weird, I think. I do remember you saying... It was like 5am or 6am.
00:48:01
Speaker
I can't remember what... Yeah, it's just weird. It's just weird what makes you do certain things. You can do it. You can tell the story. But like yeah but i don't like I don't know where to start. like there was so like I was obviously... Essentially what I saw. I just don't know how I got to this point. Was I hearing something? I don't know. Was I just sensing someone was in the... like Maybe I was hearing something? I don't know. Yeah.
00:48:25
Speaker
But because we had that curtain, i all I saw, I remember not even peering through the curtain, but seeing silhouettes of people in the kitchen. Wow. Through the curtain.
00:48:38
Speaker
wow oh because it was that sheer curtain we didn't have a proper curtain it was like that like floral purply um thing i don't know and and like maybe there was a bit of a gap but i just remember feeling like it was a bit busy like it was just kind of like like this sort of vibe you know like i'm doing like fast movement with my hands if yeah playing at home people walking back and forth yeah and like maybe felt like two or three things or I don't know what else to say about that one. Like I just was like too scared to. Well, you didn't investigate further because, um, I was just like, what is, I just knew no one was up as well. like i just knew So that's weird. So and maybe I did eventually, maybe I was going to the toilet or something. Maybe something got me up, but like, maybe I did peer eventually. Like I definitely, the situation was no one was in the kitchen.
Concluding Thoughts and Future Curiosity
00:49:32
Speaker
I don't know. Did you, but like from that moment, did you, um,
00:49:36
Speaker
go back to bed a little frightened, or were you just like, that's weird, I'm just gonna go back to bed? I was very good um at explaining things away. Right.
00:49:49
Speaker
But there was definitely like, maybe but yeah again, memories at that age, like maybe this is a memory connected to the seeing the triangle man, but it was either of these. I definitely had an instance in our bedroom where it was like a hot sweat adrenaline scared moment. man Yeah, that was a weird one. Yeah, we can get plushies made of triangle man one day. Yeah, I should do a drawing of him. I'd wear these based on him. Yeah.
00:50:19
Speaker
Triangle Man forever. I don't want to don't want to bring him back if he's she if he should be away from people. I don't know. Anyway, yeah, my stories are quite horrific. Not many, but they're quite... Yeah. but you Because you always say, oh, I don't have as many experiences as you, Erin. And then I'm looking back and I'm like, you kind of do, but they're different. Yeah, they're different. They are different.
00:50:42
Speaker
so that's really weird because i forgot about that one but that's spooky and i thought that was my memory but it's your memory maybe i got you up and we're both seeing it i don't know no i definitely don't because i remember you explaining it and me being like thank god i didn't see that that was weird the Even like recently, I would say that I've always enjoyed being in mom and dad's garden more than inside the house. But I well i just think there's something with the land there. There's probably another cool story I'll tell. We've got so many stories. we oh Yeah, mom and dad. i mean We have seasons of podcasts, just a weird story. Yeah, we could.
00:51:21
Speaker
And we'd have some of yours one day, you know? That'd be fun. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be awesome. But tum for now, I think that's kind of did the guts of that house. And like, as you can tell, not a lot of like, we saw a ghost, you know? Yeah. Like there's maybe a few of those that we can talk about, but not like not like a residual haunting where things are repeating, guys. No, definitely didn't. Never felt repetitive it was always different so that's something yeah i feel like definitely intelligent hauntings and definitely like i want to say there's like portal energy there or something like yeah you've been in and out like there was something with that location i don't know what but just random dipperones for sure fucking hell
00:52:10
Speaker
Um, and mum and dad probably wouldn't say that they've ever felt too much there. Mum would say she maybe has at times felt like she had to, I remember her talking to me sometimes being like, Oh, I just had to sort of say, Oh, can you please go away? Like she's, she's a little like me. She's very sensitive, but she doesn't really talk about it much, but she's definitely had moments like that.
00:52:34
Speaker
And I don't know about Tim, like our brothers, whether they had some strange experience. In the house, I'm not sure. Outside, I think Tim's had a few weird ones, but. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Back when we lived in the bushes. Good. Oh my gosh. We've got a lot. It's a good, I feel like the house stuff. I hope you find that kind of interesting, guys, but that's kind of where, that's our origin story a little bit with that house.
00:53:03
Speaker
And I feel like that definitely played into us always wanting to read about ghosts and stuff. yeah true We'd always get those books out. online in libraries, the ones with the ghost pictures. And I just remember having lots, and I think kids do in general, but I did have a lot of nightmares as a kid. Yeah. I think that is just kids, you know, brains developing, but but yeah I don't dream like that anymore. I think that's just developmental. I think it is. I think every kid goes through night. tis Terrifying. and by the way Yeah. It added to the spookiness sometimes. It didn't help.
00:53:37
Speaker
And I also, another thing, never really slept well in that house. And I never realized how badly I slept in that house until I moved out of that house. And I was like, is this how sleep is supposed to be? Always broken. reach hours yeah ah Anyway, on that note, maybe we could sleep. No, it's not that it's not that late. Yeah, but it's been a good one. I like the ghost story vibes. Yeah, we'll definitely do more ghost story vibes. I hope you enjoyed a little intro into types of hauntings and some of our spookies. Ghost 101 session is complete. Done. Awesome. All right.
00:54:23
Speaker
Good chatting goes for you, Katherine. Until next one. Keep it spooky. Thank you, guys. Bye.