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SE1: EP5 Spontaneous Combustion
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Today, we discuss spontaneous combustion and dive into experiences of high strangeness. Make sure you stay tuned for our own unexplainable, strange experience in nature.
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Introduction and Childhood Fascination
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello, sorry, I'm so sidetracked already guys. I'm trying to pull up my notes on this episode and like old school crazy fashion, my tablets being weird as shit.
00:00:12
Speaker
So anyway, um before I look at my notes, because I did some research, today's episode is about spontaneous human combustion.
00:00:24
Speaker
ah Yeah, it's something I feel like me and Erin thought was kind of cool and creepy when we were looking up all our um childish, ghoulie stuff in the books in the library.
00:00:36
Speaker
Like I feel like it was always in those old school supernatural books, right? Yes, we'd always, like you and I would always be drawn to that section of weird in the library. They had all these books of like real hauntings and stuff Fuck, even that show, the fuck was that show called? I can't even remember, but it was always a bit of a topic back in the day.
00:01:00
Speaker
It was. It really was. And, um yeah, so thought. Unsolved mysteries? Unsolved mysteries. Unexplained mysteries? Unsolved mysteries, surely. Yeah. um Anyway, we just thought it would be a fun topic to kind of dissect because it was kind of one that like sticks out as a childhood. Like just the images that you'd see would be like this black and white image. Yeah.
00:01:25
Speaker
of like a couch and just soot everywhere, but the slippers were just sitting there and like maybe a bone. It just was, they were horrifying images. They were. i wonder hear if any of you
Historical Cases and Theories
00:01:36
Speaker
guys remember it. Like how old were be we being when we' were looking at those books? like I reckon nine. Short no nine.
00:01:42
Speaker
Yeah, nine, ten. Okay. Because we're getting into all the like B-grade horror movies. True. At that age. It was pretty young. This is a good point. I remember it specifically being like two legs from the knee down.
00:01:56
Speaker
With the black heel? That's the image I remember. we We should try and find some, put it in our show notes. Yeah. um Anyway, so I'm just going to dive in because it's such a ridiculous theory, but it was seen as something that like definitely happened like in the 17th century, like all these cases are like written down. i have a book called Mysteries of the Unexplained and there's like three pages of just like anecdotal stories of these people that were discovered
00:02:29
Speaker
burnt to a crisp but their like wooden fire like their wooden homes were still standing so like the the main kind of phenomena around it is that people burn to a crisp but their houses are intact and it's like very localized and so that's the main kind of ticking boxes of spontaneous human combustion is the belief that obviously the fire starts within the human yeah yeah And then just you light up in flames and then you burn to a k crisp. But when people come and discover your body, like nothing else is affected. So it's like this crazy phenomenon. Like how can fire only sit in a human blow up a person and not the house? So that's the idea behind it.
00:03:15
Speaker
I'll start with a story. Yeah. about thatll I'll tell you one because, honest to God, they all sound the same and i my brain like I read like three stories and I was like they're all the same. But I'll tell one because then you can get the picture of what people are coming into.
00:03:30
Speaker
And this story, um thank you, Britannica.com, Encyclopedia of Britannica Inc. No, it's good that they documented that. Yeah, oh well, this is a great article because it sides with how I feel about it and I'm sure a lot of people feel about it.
00:03:48
Speaker
But they tell a story, so I'm just going to reiterate this story just to pull our heads in for a split second and pretend we're in the 17th century and we don't do shit about anything. Yeah.
00:03:59
Speaker
People are blowing up. There's internet but people are just walking to people's homes and they're like, sing.
Modern Scientific Perspectives
00:04:05
Speaker
Yeah. And nobody. My neighbour Clancy, you know. mean Yeah. And then I'm like, what happened to Clancy? And then you're you're telling the story of what could have happened to Clancy because Clancy's not around to talk about it.
00:04:19
Speaker
And I do feel bad because these people have passed away. Like it's yeah tragic. Fires are tragic, guys. And it's they just... murdered Well, it's not like I've, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell the story and then I'll come back to the facts.
00:04:32
Speaker
Yeah. no Sorry. Late night on Christmas Eve in 1885, so that's what we're talking, that kind of timeframe, a woman was burst into flames and discovered by her neighbour.
00:04:47
Speaker
She was discovered alone in her kitchen and then everything, her entire body was incarcerated. Incarcerated?
00:04:57
Speaker
Oh, my God, I mix those words up constantly and I knew I'd do it. I was like, make sure you say incinerated and I wish I didn't. The fire incinerated her entire body except her feet. And that's just like in all the stories I read, it's a lot to do with the feet just hanging around. Yeah.
00:05:19
Speaker
Anyway, so the the house was intact. There was no source of ignition that could be found from the blaze, like no area in the house. There was no nothing.
00:05:30
Speaker
Like there wasn't like, oh, the fireplace, oh, a lighter, oh, a match, you know, oh, alcohol. There was just nothing found that could have started it. Right, okay. Yeah. um Yeah, so it was literally just ashes and a few fragments of bone. So it's crazy. Like everything is just, you know, incinerated.
00:05:49
Speaker
um And the fire seemed to be completely confined to her body. So that's all the facts of that one. um And I love this after the story.
00:06:02
Speaker
yeah I quote Britannica, now for the important question, is spontaneous human combustion real? Is the possibility of suddenly bursting into flames one more thing for us all to worry about?
00:06:15
Speaker
The answer is almost certainly no. So... Thank Buck for that. Yeah. um So, like, it sounds, it's, I mean, for the time, you don't have all this knowledge. We're all humans just learning science back in the 1700s, 1800s, and that's when all the cases are, like, all the stories are back in their heyday.
00:06:37
Speaker
And 20th, 21st century, there are still, like, three or four cases. Like, I found one that literally happened in, like, 2017. Yeah.
00:06:47
Speaker
where which Like, are they from all different countries? Because all I'm thinking is, like, yeah. so there yeah Yeah, all different countries. um But, yeah, like, when science kind of takes over and starts analysing all these cases, it comes down to pretty simply, like, they're almost always found in a chair near a fireplace.
00:07:07
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. They're almost always found. alcoholics or smokers. And so at the time in the 17th century, everyone was just like, well, this is how you die when you're smoking and drinking your life away. Like that was seen as delinquents pretty much, the ones that blew up in flames, like, you know, all very religious kind of connotations around, you know, well, your soul gets taken because you're shit at life. know what I mean? Like so just that really old school mentality.
00:07:34
Speaker
um ah find that like I just need to talk about this. Yeah, yeah. As you were talking about the story, My mind just went to like, okay, there's a serial killer that's really good at making people look like they've self-exploded and yes he is leaving shoes on their feet or some shit.
00:07:52
Speaker
I mean, there could be imposter combusties. Like, yahu know then yeah, who knows? Or like then there's this whole religious thing to it. Like, is it was it just like a whole thing of fraud to scare people into not drinking and smoking or something?
00:08:09
Speaker
Honestly, i just think, think of the timeframe. People, i think people were drinking a lot, like hard workers drinking a lot, smoking a lot. I think they were keeping warm with their fireplaces. There's not heating and ducted cooling.
00:08:25
Speaker
know what I mean? Anyway, so that's kind of where my head always went. It was just like, it's just an accident and they just were lit on fire. Yeah. And also people truly believed oh, they were drinking and so the amount of alcohol in their body would cause them to combust. But that's like literally science is like that you cannot consume, that you'd die before the ah amount of alcohol made you flammable. You
Societal Interpretations and Beliefs
00:08:51
Speaker
know what I mean? Like the poisoning of the alcohol would kill you, not the flammability of it.
00:08:55
Speaker
Yeah. I remember reading somewhere that it was a combination of just people falling asleep near candles and like the alcohol would fall on them and they'd light on fire with like that candle.
00:09:07
Speaker
Thank you, Erin. You have segued into the theory that we were very good nine-year-old knowledge sticking in your head. No, was from, you know how we tried to record this episode? Oh, yeah.
00:09:19
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've retained that. i was like, that's all it is. and There you Well, yeah, I will now that we can actually roll this episode, unlike before. Yeah. um Essentially, forensic scientists and stuff, when they investigate this case, like eventually in the 20th century, they started looking a little harder at things and they noticed what they would call coin the wick effect.
00:09:43
Speaker
So the clothing worn by a victim can actually soak up melted fat and when I say melted fat like the fat of the human that's like caught on fire right wait wait wait What do you mean?
00:09:59
Speaker
Well, not everyone that's been found spontaneously combusting is eating like a tub of lard while they're eating. You know what mean? They just have butter or lard in the house. I love because it's quite politely written here, but I'm like when I look at it and I'm like you can soak up melted fat. So essentially. They'd already started to melt.
00:10:21
Speaker
Yeah. So like think of a candle. Yeah. handle the
00:10:26
Speaker
Maybe I need to fact check my idea of this, but this is what I believe. think this is and Think of a candle. The wick of a candle keeps the fire from going everywhere. Think of that.
00:10:39
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Right? Yes, because it's just on the wick of the candle. yeah So say, know only Erin can see me, but, like, say I'm sleeping. Yeah. And I have a cigarette in my mouth and it drops onto my body.
00:10:53
Speaker
um Imagine if it's just smouldering away. Don't. Don't.
00:11:02
Speaker
but And I've taken that word from this article. i You know, but they're using the words smolder and melted fat.
00:11:14
Speaker
And, you know, it they're not talking about everyone's in the kitchen cooking I reckon I know let's break this down think back in the day wicks were probably made by um like we use yeah like things like kerosene and stuff but like they would have put it in fat the wick would have been coated in lard to make it calm down oh no but we're not talking about
00:11:46
Speaker
This isn't an ah episode on candles, Erin. This is an episode. Pull it in. Okay. Oh, my God. Sorry, keep going. You're asleep. There's a cigarette.
00:11:57
Speaker
Can I? Okay, let me, for the viewers and Erin, let me just, again, Britannica, you're doing us solid. I'm going to just quote this because I'm trying to talk about it in my own words, so I'm just not reading a book, but I'm just going to um' just going to read this out, okay?
00:12:13
Speaker
Sorry about that. No, no, it's hilarious because, yeah. I know where your head is and that's where mine was, so I had to, like, dissect this little bit. Anyway, in the 20th century, forensic scientists noticed the wick effect in which clothing worn by a victim can soak up melted fat, acting like the wick in a candle and creating conditions for the body to smolder for extended periods of time.
00:12:36
Speaker
So rather than, like, the theory of it combusting, like, into flames, it's more of a, like, because no one's watching these people burn alive. There's no... No one's visually seeing someone blow up.
00:12:48
Speaker
And I'd love to try and find stories, but most of them come in and see just like shoes and feet on the ground. They don't see. So the body could actually be smouldering away, which is graphic and disgusting. yeah Yeah.
00:13:01
Speaker
Rotisserie chicken. Yeah. And that makes more sense to why obviously the house doesn't burn down because it's just the body slowly burning smoldering away.
00:13:11
Speaker
yes Experiments have shown that this effect can produce many unusual characteristics associated with spontaneous human combustion. So you can literally create this effect on a human body and there's like near complete incineration of the body and lack of fire like fire um damage to the surrounding of the person.
00:13:32
Speaker
So they've conducted these experiments and got to the wick effect. Yeah, so essentially they say the likely explanation of these cases is there's always like a match or a cigarette, even in like an electrical spark, and it sits sets off this wick effect, but the evidence is destroyed by the fire. So like a match would incinerate, a cigarette would incinerate a spark from a fireplace.
00:14:00
Speaker
Anyway, you get the point. yeah Cool. That's cool. I like that. That makes sense. But, yeah it's um yeah, just to reiterate, like it was just such a big thing in the 17th century and, like, all
High Strangeness and Skinwalker Ranch
00:14:11
Speaker
the stories are from the 1700s and eighteen hundreds And then, like, the one story I read from the, like, 21st century was this coroner being like, I couldn't explain it. There's nothing I saw that could explain what happened to this man.
00:14:27
Speaker
But then at the end of the article, it's like he neglected to state that the man was found in a chair next to a fireplace, like, which is quite a heavy indication that it could have been the wick effect. You know what i mean Like he,
00:14:45
Speaker
I don't know. but is the is the Is the coroner like wanting to find spontaneous combustion? Yeah. Did he just want it to be? Because you might want to note that there was a bloody fireplace.
00:14:57
Speaker
Right, he didn't. so we didn't He didn't. But the article was like, can we please note he was found near a fireplace? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. It's like, here's your thing. It's just like, no, no, it was in a different room.
00:15:08
Speaker
The fireplace was in a different room. it wasn't in different room. Yeah, exactly. Like, it's just, yeah. so anyway, that's like... Wanted to cover it because it is kind of cool, like the reasoning. Because you do think, like you do read these stories and theres there's so much of just like it was a wooden house, nothing was burnt down. Like I get it, that is weird.
00:15:29
Speaker
But when you hear about the old wicker fat and body fat and smouldering bodies, yeah. It's quite like sounds quite horrific but, yeah. um And then they must have.
00:15:42
Speaker
been in such a like they must have been in such a heavy sleep they don't wake up or it's like the dead of winter or something. But that's the thing because it's the 1700s and everyone's like sloppy jalopy like we bring back the the kind of judgment that hug the that the public had where like it was like a moral ground that they blew up because most of the people were alcoholics or overweight.
00:16:07
Speaker
And then that theory like if I'm going to get weird with just um thinking about you know the fact that these could have been deliberately set up it's like you know people want like a nice clean village or neighborhood and all the drunks they're just like can we just spontaneously combust them and then it'll be like this weird unexplained banana yeah but you know all the you deadheads will be gone and all that stuff. man, like put pushing it under a rug, pushing the ashes under a rug. Like I get that.
00:16:42
Speaker
That's like a cool theory to add on top of it. Yeah, so that's all I have. Listen, I did read pages and pages but my brain turned off because I was like it's – boring as shit but yeah that theory about why it's happening and kind of debunking it not so much but yeah um also r.i.p to everyone who left the world that way it sounds awful and i have respect for the dead so yeah free i'm not making a mockery of how they lost their lives i'm making a mockery of how people perceive things yeah we don't know we don't know what actually happened because it's still kind of blamed
00:17:22
Speaker
And it's an interesting kind of like if we want to go down a rabbit hole of like how much like those people in the 17th century, fact, that was such a fact in their lives that that's what happened. People pull up, you know, and they don't know that we've debunked it like hundreds of years later. It's kind of cool.
00:17:39
Speaker
People are still talking about it. Realities change. Yeah. Constantly, guys. That's my takeaway. Yeah, that's a good way looking at it. Yeah. like their reality was like, oh, my God, i like this freak of nature and, you know, if you were one of these people, you had a high risk of just having spontaneous compassion, so there's a bit of fear around it. And then I also always think about the, like, demon aspect of it, you know, like if there's enough energy and a bad spirit to just light this fire.
00:18:13
Speaker
So I'm sure that's a rabbit hole, but. Hopefully not, but, yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's definitely where some theories would have gone if I did more research, but I didn't. Yeah, yeah, no. Like, there's too much. You could, like, pick it apart and all that. Yeah.
00:18:28
Speaker
But I liked it. Yeah. A lot of the stuff online is very repetitive, but, yeah, there could potentially be some unique rabbit holes for sure. Yeah. And I like
00:18:39
Speaker
like what you've said makes sense to me because I read that one line I was like, that's what it is. That's all it is, you know. Meh. I was going to say something. Oh, yeah.
00:18:54
Speaker
Can't remember. That's all right. But one, this is a good segue, though, because spontaneous combustion is kind of, you could put it under high strangeness if there were still reports of it today.
00:19:06
Speaker
It's kind of an unexplained supernatural phenomenon. Like what causes it, that kind of thing? Yeah, I would like i would label it as that. Well, you know, seventeenth century people would definitely label it as high strangeness.
00:19:19
Speaker
like so you know if and I mean do you have a definition of that, but like high strangeness is just stuff that's highly strange, right? It speaks for itself. I'm glad you asked because do.
00:19:30
Speaker
I did some research. Oh, bring it up. Yeah. so yeah, we're going to, well, you know, we'll wrap your little, spontaneous combustion. I'm kind of, okay, I just want to say i'm let down by spontaneous combustion because I was so scary as a kid. The concept was so scary and the imagery was so scary in the books that I'm kind of let down by how boring it is.
00:19:52
Speaker
Me too. And I remember i remember being quite... Yeah, if you could record my face while reading this stuff, I was like snoozeville. Like I was just like rolling my eyes. um And that's why I brought up lovely Britannica's article because i'm like, well, this just summarises everything about how I feel about it. Like here's the cold hard facts.
00:20:11
Speaker
um Yes, so it is underwhelming but is like – like It is 101 of kind of the supernatural and like the gateway, one of the gateways fast anyway, I feel.
00:20:24
Speaker
Like you said, it was exciting and creepy and gross and, yeah. You kind of feared it as a kid. You're like, could this actually happen to people? And then you realise you've got no first-hand cases and, Yeah, and we're still here. Like, we haven't combusted, so that's good.
00:20:40
Speaker
Exactly. Yeah. But, yeah, high strangeness, that's I think it's one of, like, our favourite topics. Would you say that, Catherine? Because it could go on forever and ever. Yes, I agree. Hard to agree because it just, high strangeness, it can get pretty strange and I like the strain the stranger the better for me.
00:20:56
Speaker
Yes, I agree. like And I like the really, i don't know, we'll get into it later, but just love timeline stuff and when, like, people, like, we've even got a story, so stay to the end because Catherine have what we would call is, like,
00:21:09
Speaker
an unexplained paranormal experience that happened when we were on a walk. And um I would define that as high strangeness. So that'll be fun. 100%. Yeah. Stay tuned for that, folks.
00:21:21
Speaker
Yes. um But yeah, i did look into it because i was like, yeah, know what high strangeness is. It's like all of it. But, you know, it's nothing to do with ghosts, really. But it's just weird shit that can't be explained, I suppose. But I was like, yeah, I guess like ghosts are kind of their own realm because there's so much around ghosts and paranormal activity. Whereas High Strangers, it's like the random bits that you can't put anywhere.
00:21:47
Speaker
Yep. I would agree with you. I'm half reading my notes, half listening to you. So sorry. sorry right Have a read, get yeah get yeah your words down. um but But yeah, so i did a lot of research into it and essentially I found I found this guy.
00:22:03
Speaker
So this is what I found on Reddit. um So it was originally coined by Dr. Joseph Allen Hynek in his 1972 book, The UFO Experience.
00:22:16
Speaker
And he talks about it in the context of unexplained UFO phenomena. So there's like these two kind of versions I read about. One was like, you know, high strangeness as...
00:22:30
Speaker
weird sort of uh unexplained events as a result of ufos you know we're talking aliens we're talking orders of light that kind of thing and i don't the more i think about it you could kind of broaden it into just other things like what we experienced at john forest natural yeah hard to put a finger on it yeah yeah and like is it related to UFO, not necessarily, you know?
00:22:55
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. Okay. So like kind of alien-y, UFO-y stories. Yep. It's like encountering UFOs and the anomalies or like unexplained events associated with them.
00:23:07
Speaker
cool. And high strangeness literally means the the high number of strange things happening. in conjunction with a UFO event. That's how he developed it. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, cool.
00:23:20
Speaker
Oh, that's cool. Yeah, yeah. That was in 1972, but it's probably taking on like a bit of its own thing. you know Yeah, seems like it. um But he was interesting. So did you hear about um Project Blue Book and all of that.
00:23:33
Speaker
Yes, yeah. I mean, I rarely could recount what it is, but. Yeah, that's kind of what that guy did. So kind of someone looking into it and then weird things happening because you're looking into it, that kind of thing? No, he was literally like, read the Project Blue Book was him researching UFO encounters um during military, like to do with the government and all that kind of shit, like, you know.
00:24:00
Speaker
I'm sure I could talk about that for an hour in itself. He sort of, um yeah, like pioneered the research, I suppose, on UFO events and the US government. And there's this I think there's a TV series on it and everything.
00:24:15
Speaker
i'm sure if I Googled it, would be more interesting. things and I'm sure that I'm butchering all of it. So for any reason, just come on. can do it yourselves, guys. You can hear the name. We've thrown it at you. Yeah, we've thrown it at you. But he wrote book.
00:24:28
Speaker
He wrote a book and that's where like one guy on Reddit said that he coined the phrase high strangeness. yeah It's reference in the book. But one thing I did find interesting because I was on Wikipedia as well. i was like, oh, Wikipedia this guy.
00:24:41
Speaker
And he has a son called Joel, right? And he ended up becoming a visual effects artist on the film Predator. cat I found that interesting because his dad like fully researched UFOs and like unexplained encounters and high strangeness.
00:24:59
Speaker
And then his son goes on to do visual effects for the Predator movies, which is you know a creepy alien that camouflages the woodland areas and stuff. Yeah, that is cool.
00:25:10
Speaker
It's cool. So that's a fun fact. And that leads me into Skinwalker Ranch. So what a segue. But great topic. What a great topic. it's I think we're going to do like 10 episodes on Skinwalker Ranch, right?
00:25:26
Speaker
so cool. We can literally just do story time Skinwalker Ranch. Yes, we could. When we like lose our own stories and they're all gone, we'll delve into it. I ended up buying it on Amazon again because I bought this book a while ago.
00:25:40
Speaker
um when the guy that wrote it, what's his name? Colm, PhD, he's a scientist, he did like a interview on ABC, like late night ABC radio, and I was listening to his stories about Skimwalker Ranch, and it was terrifying because it was late at night. I think I would have been in high school.
00:26:00
Speaker
ah no, out of high school, so like 18, 19. And, yeah, he was just talking about all this shit that I'd never heard being talked about before um like orbs of light having energy in them that would make people feel very specific emotions like mainly fear and that kind of thing yeah it was kind of like otherworldly stories that we definitely yeah it was very new yeah and it was like it just freaked me out so much so that I was like I want to read this book like this will be really interesting and I think I smashed it in three days or something which is
00:26:37
Speaker
you know, world record for me. I don't know. Who finishes books? Yeah. Crazy. So when I was researching High Strangeness, I was like, this is kind of your, I don't know, quintessential reading for things of High Strangeness.
00:26:51
Speaker
Absolutely. A really popular site now. Do you agree? Like back then it wasn't really well talked about, but now there's that Netflix is on Netflix? Yeah, there's like an app. Is there Netflix? Or was it on binge?
00:27:04
Speaker
It could be finished. I don't know, but there's like a series where scientists are literally investigating the place. And it's awesome because they're finding stuff and they're like, what is this? Why is this? Yeah, it's very cool.
00:27:16
Speaker
So i would, if anyone's interested in it, I think that's like a good example of it. And it's a famous ranch in Utah. But yeah, weird shit happens on this ranch. It's like a magnet for supernatural high strange activity like of all sorts.
00:27:33
Speaker
Exactly. Exactly. um I'll go into it, though, because I remember when I first well read the book, I was creeped out by some of it, a lot of it.
00:27:43
Speaker
And there's a really good summary that I found. And it just goes into like 10 of the most unexplained kind of phenomena on the ranch. So I'll go into them for you.
00:27:55
Speaker
Yes. So, yeah, essentially you have everything under the sun under that place. So fuck living there. What were they called? There was a family that, the Gorman family. So they bought the ranch and I think, I don't know how many years they lasted before they were ended up selling it off to ah scientific research company.
00:28:13
Speaker
But um I don't know how they lasted that long. And I think one of the main things was, cow mutilations they just couldn't deal with their stock just kept being fucked with by animals sad gross I know so mutilations that was one of the things that happened a lot um that's a weird high strangeness for me because what are they doing and why yeah what theories Catherine oh but listen i kind of you know how you went a bit human-y with the spontaneous combustion murder thing I'm like are there people just doing weird rituals out there but then when it's localized to a high strangeness place I'm like is it just aliens curious about yeah like I just think science experiments for people not of this earth yeah okay I like that's where my head goes
00:29:03
Speaker
But then it's like they've done it once or twice. Do they not have all the information they need? Why do they keep it? know what mean? There's a lot of people on this planet, how many aliens are in the space time continuum?
00:29:16
Speaker
You know, there's a lot of... True. and we eat We eat a lot of meat. They look at a lot of cows. So that but like that's one good example of high strength. It's just ne like can't be explained, but, you know, they do say it's associated with...
00:29:31
Speaker
a UFO event or something like that. So it might be there's crop circles and then in conjunction with that they found cattle mutilation happening. And I don't know, um I suppose we go back to basics, Catherine, you and I are kind of well-versed in all of this language. Yes. But how would you describe cattle mutilation to someone that had never?
00:29:51
Speaker
oh I don't want to. I mean, it speaks for itself. It's it's like... I mean, listen, when I think of it, i I haven't actually gone and looked into detail of how they're mutilated, but sometimes, am I correct in saying that sometimes like all their blood is drained, music um which is weird. And then, yeah just the um incisions that are done are very medical at times, so like professionally used.
00:30:19
Speaker
scalpel, like not just some savage with a knife. one The eyeballs are like taken out really cleanly and then sometimes it's just like, well, I've seen image of like a skinning that happens around
Personal Experiences and Folklore
00:30:31
Speaker
the mouth. So like hide and meat is on the animal but just not around the mouth. Yeah, right.
00:30:37
Speaker
Yeah, so very precise, weird incisions that are just like why? Why would you do that? So just for anyone. Playing at home. Yeah, that's that's what cattle mutilations are.
00:30:48
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Or like, you know, a limb might be removed really cleanly and it's there's no sign of... Bleeding out and blood. Bleeding, there's no foot like footprints or anything like that. So that happens a lot at Skill Walker Ranch and I would say like just, I don't know, I bet that happens a lot to people out in Utah.
00:31:08
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What was the other one? Oh, yeah, one of the ones that just doesn't sit well with me is the Unexplained Lights and Disembodied Voices. So like... um Like, you know, people see orbs, like spiritual orbs or something, like ghost hunting or people on paranormal hunting shows are like, oh, I've seen an orb of light or something like that. Like these are said to be more intelligent.
00:31:29
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So there's stories of just being out um in the field and like seeing quite large coloured balls of light and the person will look at it and they'll be intrigued by it, but then all of a sudden they'll feel like such dread.
00:31:52
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um and it' will just fuck them up essentially like just run in the other direction so they can just feel fear emanating off an orb that's floating in the sky like that's fair enough i'd feel that way yeah like but like apparently it's not even emanating off the orb it just is created in them like they look at it and they're just like shit like terror yeah gross they say that it feels like this intelligence that's just kind of like messing with the human emotion. Okay, yeah. So it knows it's, yeah, conscious in a way.
00:32:23
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Yes, conscious kind of ball of light. And then there's stories of the Gorman family. So they're the family of the original owners of the ranch. They hear disembodied voices coming from the air. like And sometimes the voices would narrate what the people were doing. hell That's creepy. That's a cool creepy one. That's gross. I like that.
00:32:42
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I wrote that one down. Like Big Brother vibes, like you're just walking around and someone's like, and you're taking coffee from the kitchen to the other room.
00:32:52
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Yeah, like what the fuck. So that was a weird one. i like, want to talk to them, but I bet they are done with doing interviews. They probably to them all the time. Yeah, that would be interesting. oh yeah, they'd be done to death.
00:33:03
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They don't want it to death. um What else? It's weird. This article talks about the Sherman family, and so there must have been another family on the ranch. Yeah, it was definitely owned by a few families. Yeah, a few different people talking. I suppose they're just like, you can have it, and they're just like, yeah, it's great. It's a great property.
00:33:24
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Have fun. and Enjoy. Yeah, no shit. We won't tell you anything. Yeah. um Oh, so this is what I find cool is like finding that that guy what was his name?
00:33:36
Speaker
What was old mate? Joseph someone. doing the book on the high strangeness and like, yeah and then his son going on to do the predator movies.
00:33:48
Speaker
Cause on Skinwalker Ranch, they actually talk about something called the predator. Oh, that's interesting. Okay. Okay. Yeah. There's an actual creature lurking.
00:34:02
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Yeah. Like an alien creature. And it does talk about the fact that it has a camouflaged armor. that renders the predator, like, alien things as invisible.
00:34:13
Speaker
um So, yeah, they just talk about that creature it's like, let me let look. Yeah, its natural appearance has never been seen. So they can just they to see this, like, invisible thing moving.
00:34:26
Speaker
Oh, yeah, like Alex Mack kind of vibes, eh? Yeah, less, like, metallic, like more. Yeah, she turned invisible. That was her vibe. And then she could.
00:34:38
Speaker
Then she could melt into things. But she had like a clear film vibe. No? don't know. Is that me making things up? Do we need to fact check? Yeah, fact check. I always thought she was just like a normal person and then if she needed to get somewhere she'd turn into like like melted molten metal and then slide under doorways and shit.
00:34:57
Speaker
The secret world of Alex Mack. It was a good show, good um memory, Catherine. Morph into a blob of goo. Yeah, okay, maybe not.
00:35:09
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just thought she was allowed to be like a fly on the wall. i guess people just didn't notice her gloopy mass on the ground. yeah anyway we digress um yes continue um yeah so that was another cool one and then the other one like just a whole group of like instances where people are reporting different animals so cryptozoology cryptozoology is the other kind of high strangeness activity so they talk about bigfoot
00:35:42
Speaker
They talk about like big dire wolf kind of characters, like big wolves that are like walking around on their hind legs and shit like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah And there's also like reports of around the property, giant sea snakes and shit. And Mothman has been seen as well.
00:35:58
Speaker
So like all of it. we have yeah Literally everything in one spot. Yeah, fucking hell. Okay. So... um Yeah, I just think it's, don't know, i I want to read the book more. I've only like earmarked a few pages.
00:36:13
Speaker
But, yeah, maybe later I'll just share some cool stories. But I just thought that was like a really good example of ah strangeness, essentially. No, perfect. Perfecto example.
00:36:24
Speaker
Yeah, just weird shit that happens but you can't really categorise it. Yeah, man. I was going to say, do you have any other examples? Because I found one too.
00:36:35
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was, like, using this as, like, a good case study and then a lot of my strangeness within that, but there are a lot more, like, staircases. Like, are you going to talk staircases and shit? Well, i would love, if you could talk about that.
00:36:49
Speaker
well Well, you can. Like, I. Like, do you have anything else in your little notepad? No, but just in general, like. Catherine and just love all the weird shit that people see when they go hiking and stuff like that. Yeah, me and Erin's like we couldn't we cannot get enough of just deep forest high strangeness, like when people, yeah, are walking around. Or national parks and, like, just weird shit that happens in national parks. Yeah.
00:37:15
Speaker
Even if it's not, I mean, that's another fucking fun thing you could do. But, like, even when it's not high strangeness as such, like, just the weird, creepy stories you hear about remote, like out in remote Australia, just the correct the characters that you met and like freaky,
00:37:31
Speaker
You know what mean? Rookie stories. Rookie stories. But, yeah, you go. So, like, forests and stuff. Well, yeah, I found so because I knew that's, like, something me and you love. So I was like, again, Reddit is facts, guys. It's real people yeah all the time.
00:37:47
Speaker
But most people, you know what, I feel like either way this is an actual thing that checks out because Wikipedia'd it. And it's like folklore. But there was a guy on Reddit and he just wanted to share his story of like high strangeness essentially with like around time and just space and stuff in the forest.
00:38:09
Speaker
And he's this Finnish dude. um I cannot pronounce his username to save my life, but shall we give it a go? yeah do it. Ask a, ask a Tala, ask a Tala.
00:38:23
Speaker
Ask a Tala. Ask Tala. Is the username his name? The username. The username. um You know, he's Finnish, so thats I probably don't have the right accent to make that work. But he ah went on to describe that in, in like, folklore of, like, the Finnish, there is a word called mezzanpito, mezzanpito.
00:38:47
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met san pito and it covers like folklore around the belief that the forest could hide or imprison people or animals.
00:39:02
Speaker
So essentially they can hide people in plain sight. So you might be walking through the forest and the forest is cheeky and hides you from the forest. Um, Yeah, and like essentially wants to trap them so they can't escape. And it's like a phenomenon that they've actually given a name.
00:39:19
Speaker
So I find that really cool because i feel like when we start telling our story, it just really resonated. i was like, okay, there's an actual term in a different country for this. But like, oh, yeah, sorry. Yeah, no, no, you go.
00:39:33
Speaker
ah just like really find it interesting what you're talking about because I always wonder why that's happening. So, you know, there's it's it's a term for when the forest hides things. Like you were saying, it even hides animals or people. So, like, someone's in the forest.
00:39:53
Speaker
What if there's someone that's been on a missing persons list for, like, two months? And then, like, people like, searching high and low and this person's like, I'm fucking right here. Like I wonder if it's that kind of thing or. Yeah, I don't know because I, yeah, like you don't hear stories. Well, I haven't heard a story of someone being like, then I came out of it and that person didn't see me waving. I just think like it's literally like this weird time-space continuum where you're existing in the same place but the forest messes with with it.
00:40:21
Speaker
I don't know. I'm getting weird with my theory. but Yeah, do I like that. Like it messes with your perception of what you're seeing when you're in the forest. So there could be animals in there and then you're looking, but it's not there because the forest is hiding it.
00:40:32
Speaker
And I wonder if that is a UFO experience because of the sight and what's happening around it or does it talk about creatures doing it? Like is there anything that controls that? Not really.
00:40:43
Speaker
Again, didn't take my pills. So I read something, something, something. Goblins, you know, think we could go into this, like folklore, goblins, that whole world.
00:40:53
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Seemed to be like within the same paragraph. I think it was just going more into folklore vibes but yeah. yeah I can picture like elves and gnomes being weird like that.
00:41:06
Speaker
Like they're in the forest and they're just like, all right. Extra energy vibe. Yeah, yeah. We don't want anyone around. We're just going to like, yeah, fuck with whoever's doing Oh, someone got an email.
00:41:17
Speaker
Yeah. Was it me? Was it me or me? I apologise if it was me. That's all right. Important. Yeah, so does it go into anything else? Like an example of what?
00:41:29
Speaker
Well, so he had his own example, but I didn't really want to bring that one up um because this one, like ah someone commented their story after it. And I found this a bit more in like it just rang so true to our story. So I really wanted to show you that other people have this experience before we tell our story.
00:41:49
Speaker
So we're easing people into this idea that it happens and it doesn't sound so ridiculous. Yeah. so I like it. Yeah. Retard is something that we find you in. yeah So Reddit user IntoTheDark.
00:42:01
Speaker
um Dark spelt with a four as the number, as the A. Okay. Dark with four. Because Dark was probably already taken, needed change it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And anyway, he was like, I resonate with this because his, so essentially he does like biology or something in university and he was wanting to conduct like an experiment around moths.
00:42:23
Speaker
So he needed to put traps and stuff out into the forest and Him and his dad are close to a little forest area and it's not huge. Like he said, you can walk through this like grown out area, like, and you can still see where you've parked your car.
00:42:38
Speaker
And he's just gone out with his dad and planted some of these traps. leaves them there for a day or whatever, and then realized that he's too busy to pick it up. And he's like, dad, can you just grab them for me? And his dad's like, yeah, sure, easy.
00:42:51
Speaker
So his dad's driven essentially to pick up the traps, walked into the forest to grab the the traps, And the guy, like, reiterates, like, you can usually see, like, the headlights of the car from where he is.
00:43:05
Speaker
And when his dad has come back with the traps, he tells this story and he's like, and my dad is not, he's a sensible man. He's like a man of no fuss. He's not like this. magical oh my god and what a trip like he but he just had to say like it took me an hour to get out of this forest trail and then um into the dark reiterates like it's a 10 minute walk through the forest so if you go to there and back maybe it's like 20 minutes I love it's my hour yeah This is my favourite kind of story. I remember reading a similar one about some people, like a group of friends in Canada doing a hike, and i was like, this is fucking insane.
00:43:43
Speaker
So, yeah, it took about, what, a 10-minute walk to camel? An hour. He just said it took, he got really, so not just him walking took him an hour. He got quite flustered, a bit disorientated. Mm-hmm.
00:43:56
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um and and was, yeah, a little bit walking, like in a bit of a circle vibe, not realising he was doing that. yeah he He claims he couldn't see his car at one point and normally it's very in vision, so that kind of, i think, threw him.
00:44:11
Speaker
And then on top of that, And sometimes I'm like, when these details are added, I'm like, is it real? But he's like, his dad also noted that there were like weird things in the trees, like Blair Witch style.
00:44:21
Speaker
Like it was the only way he could re reiterate it. And so he went back with his dad like a day later to check out this weird stuff on the trees, but it wasn't there. So his dad was like, I don't know, but they were there the other day. So essentially just what should have been a 20-minute kind of collection of some moths turned into an hour of like feeling a little bit,
00:44:43
Speaker
scared and disorientated. um Yeah, so metzenpito, guys. Yeah, love that got a term. well Yeah, look it up. thats the good so and they And they say it's their version of um strange, like, happenings in the forests. or Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:44:59
Speaker
It is a term in Finnish folklore that refers to the belief that the forest could hide or imprison people. So the Swedes in Finland call it skogenhalla, And that means the forest keeps.
00:45:10
Speaker
So it's really cool. And I know that like Swedish, you know, Norwegian, they all have that um deep forest folklore of trolls and stuff. Like when you go in there and travel, it's very like in their culture and that's it's very cool.
00:45:23
Speaker
So I'd love to go into folklore on another episode. But, yeah, High Strangers, guys, it's just highly strange. It is highly strange. I like – I'm already thinking, okay, so they were doing moth trapping and the forest is like, we want our moths.
00:45:38
Speaker
Maybe. Yeah, maybe. That's similar with Bigfoot. People would say when they went hunting, that's when Bigfoot would be like this scary encounter that they would have. Like feeling threatened by it. Yeah, man, maybe. Maybe that's a thing. don't know. um Can we take a break before we tell stories?
00:45:56
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Yes, let's.
00:46:09
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The is Yeah. The road is there. Yeah. So we've already started talking about the story, but we will press record and we we're back. But, yeah, so we hope this is a good intro to High Strangers because we're always just trying to do the intro because we will revisit these kind of stories.
00:46:24
Speaker
Yeah. Things will get weirder, guys. It's okay. Yeah, it'll get weirder. but And we hope we've, like, done a good job in just, like, encapsulating high strangeness so there's the whole idea of, like, UFO phenomena and cattle mutilations. But, I mean, I feel like i didn't go into it enough with Skinwalker Ranch, but just wanted talk about think Skinwalker Ranch needs its own bloody episode because I think it could just be story time at
Mysterious Hiking Encounters
00:46:46
Speaker
Skinwalker Ranch and we'll, like, have a cup of coffee and discuss discuss weird things.
00:46:52
Speaker
Yeah, it could be a nice morning recording. Yeah. But, yeah, hi strangeness. The story told was awesome because it kind of really talks about how we both felt when you were visiting Perth like a few years ago. Yes. And when, you know, pardon me, we went for a hike in the hills because we do that often. Like Catherine and i will, you know, get together with mum and dad and it's nice to just I don't know. How would you describe it, Catherine? Have a little wonder. I just like being in nature and me and Erin get really wrapped up on in like taking photos of flowers and rocks and dirt.
00:47:30
Speaker
Yep. Because it's okay to take photos, you know. Not everyone out there, it's not all about Look at me getting angry. I know. I'm like, what is it all about, Catherine? Keep going.
00:47:42
Speaker
I'm just letting you talk yourself into it. ah It's not all about. You've always loved taking photos. You've always just had a passion for photography and then now everyone's like, oh, live in the present moment. it's like, well, what if my joy is capturing a really nice flower?
00:47:58
Speaker
you No shit. That's all I wanted to say. yeah and so and But it kind of adds to the story because – yeah It's around, it's a little wonder. Like you kind of start at the car park and you go around a track and you end up back at the car park near the little pub.
00:48:13
Speaker
You have a drink. Yep. so It doesn't take very long. No, it doesn't. And look, how old were we when were doing this? 20? No, we were in our 30s. Are you kidding? 34, 33. It wasn't that long ago.
00:48:26
Speaker
It's like no' it go four years ago. And it's an easy walking trail. So we just went there. And you're right, we do like taking photos. So we were always a bit slow.
00:48:37
Speaker
Yeah, like we were with mum and dad and then we we got down a rabbit hole of some flower taking. yeah And even at one point I was way behind Erin. So like we kind of just lost each other.
00:48:49
Speaker
Yeah. And eventually was like, oh, well, we know we'll just meet up at the pub. So, but me and Erin met up after I was down my rabbit hole of Geraldton wax, you know. Yes. Yeah. We just walked past, like there's a bit of a dam or like a lake, I suppose.
00:49:03
Speaker
And it was mum and dad were walking in front of us and then there was me and you, you know, we were walking And then you're not wrong, like you kind of trailed behind and you were getting really deep into photography. So I was like in the middle for a bit. Yeah.
00:49:17
Speaker
Just, you know, seeing mum and dad. And it's important to say that mum and dad, even though dad's a fast walker, mum's quite a slow walker. So they weren't walking that fast.
00:49:29
Speaker
Yeah. And I think I ended up, slowing down and then you caught up with me. Yes. But even that even that was like a little bit of time.
00:49:40
Speaker
i feel like I was by myself. Like it felt like I was by myself for like a a good five minutes, which is long when you're on a 20-minute walk, you know, like five minutes. and True that. True that. And then me and you both got really distracted taking photos of nature.
00:49:54
Speaker
Yeah, again. Yep. Yeah, so we like. Together. We were together taking photos again. and And then at this point I think we both were like, well, we'll just see them. Like we're not going to be able to catch up to mum and dad. Yeah.
00:50:05
Speaker
Like we're five minutes away from seeing them anyway. True. But then it's funny that you thought that because I was like, it won't take long to catch up to mum and dad because I knew that maybe because you visit, I just know they're walking. Yeah. I didn't really have an idea of how long the trail was.
00:50:19
Speaker
Yeah. You're not wrong. Okay. So we're both thinking different things. How I think. But yeah, you're just like, oh, we'll be in there. But i was like, oh yeah, even if we walk, like we'll see them because it's quite a it was quite a straight part of the trail.
00:50:31
Speaker
yeah Yeah, it it was a straight, it was dead straight. It kind of and it parallels to the road. So you can see a road the whole walk you're doing and that's like crucial to know that you... Thank goodness. Yeah, there is a road there that makes you feel grounded to like the outside of this walking trail. You're not...
00:50:50
Speaker
you know, even some really easy walking trails, you don't see the road. No. But you have a nice path. And this had a path as well, by the way, guys. Yeah, yeah. So we're walking on a path, you like, and then to the left of us is the bush.
00:51:04
Speaker
you know, all the granite rocks and like tall trees. And then there's still trees, but it's like almost like a bit of a nature strip between the walking trail and the road. So yeah you could see cars driving. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't really like get to that road unless you go down the ditch kind of thing. Yes, it's like a bit of a garden. Yeah, it was like quite a big gap between you and the... Yeah.
00:51:24
Speaker
So that's the setup. And I suppose we're at the point now where we were kind of over the photo taking the like vegetation was getting repetitive. So it's like, yeah, I've already taken a photo of that one or whatever.
00:51:36
Speaker
And then what happened? We were just walking. Yeah. And I feel like that's kind of when we finished the photography and we were both walking, I think we were both kind of like, all right, let's just. And yeah, I think we realized, oh, okay, we won't be catching up.
00:51:48
Speaker
They're really ahead. and Did you? Yeah, because were both just like, okay, we were just like walking at a faster pace. because were in order We were. We were just kind of getting on with it so we could get out.
00:51:59
Speaker
Yeah. Like you have a drink. Yes, ready for a pint. But also did I talk to you about, I don't know if i was just thinking this my head, but I was like, this is weird that I'm not seeing mum and dad. I bet they're going to play a prank on us. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, yeah.
00:52:15
Speaker
So that's weird. Did I? No, I don't think you said that. Okay. Because I think that's even interesting that I was thinking in my head. I'm walking and we're like not seeing them. And I think I even started saying like,
00:52:27
Speaker
Yeah, must have just been thinking in my head. But i in my mind I was like, where are they? It's weird that we haven't seen them yet because we were like speed walking. But then we we must have got to a point where we were talking about it because there was, this is the junction, right? We're going to talk about the junction now.
00:52:42
Speaker
So there was ah really meek, pathetic off-trail that goes directly into the forest. And I have to say it like that because it was it would make absolutely sense to go,
00:52:56
Speaker
We should take the left. We should just veer left left into the forest. Yeah, away from the road. Yeah, away from the grounding road that directs us to where our car is.
00:53:08
Speaker
Yeah. We should go here. And there's a little, but the thing that annoyed us is, so at this point we're looking at this road because there's a plaque next to it and it literally pointed that way and said, like, path to something like National Park or something. don't know.
00:53:23
Speaker
Are you talking about, so like we're walking straight and then there's that weird, pathetic, you know, trail and there was a little sign talking about where that way. Yeah. Yeah. But we were looking at it, trying to understand where yeah we seemed confused and I don't get why we were confused, but that's where this whole situation is where my panic set in. I didn't tell Erin, but I was really, I was just confused.
00:53:47
Speaker
Yeah. And we started second guessing because there was no one around, like no one. Yeah, it's true. There would there had been people around. They hadn't caught up with us. No.
00:53:57
Speaker
It was on a weekend. Yeah. wasn't just during, oh, wait. It was pretty quiet. No, it was pretty quiet. There were people around, but, like, not a lot. There was, like, maybe one other car or family. Around.
00:54:10
Speaker
But, yeah, we hadn't, there were no people, no cars. Yeah, they weren't up in our grill when we were walking or anything. I also find it interesting that you're saying at the juncture you were feeling anxious because you kept yourself pretty composed.
00:54:21
Speaker
you like But now i know you're anxious because you're getting kind of snippy with me. You're like, Erin, because I was getting out my fucking GPS. i was like, where the fuck are you? Yeah, Erin was like wearing a heart on her sleeve and like repressing my emotions and getting angry. I'm like feeling like crying. Erin is it feeling her emotions and Catherine's like, let's just fucking go this way because it's the road, Erin, the road.
00:54:44
Speaker
I know, but you You were just like this way, but I was really getting pulled to take that bullshit path. I was like, no, this is where we go. This is where we But, like, I thought about it a lot too and it freaks me out.
00:54:56
Speaker
Anyway, we well use our bloody noggin and I just keep saying, Erin, it's a straight line and the road is straight. If this doesn't take us to where we want to go, we can just come back because it's straight. Like, I think we just, but I was like, it has to be this way. Like, we're being silly kind of thing.
00:55:14
Speaker
<unk> So silly. And I remember being like, that makes sense. so As soon as you were like, but that's the road, yeah like this is where we go. i was like, yep, like take away all this confusion and let's just do that. Like let's push through and do that. And then this is so strange. I just remember this part. When we kept walking for like another 30 seconds, there was an arrow made out of sticks on the ground and Dad does that. Like he just kind of.
00:55:38
Speaker
put a friendly arrow of like, keep walking this way. we're like, thanks, Dad. But Catherine, that wasn't even too far after. It was actually at that point. Like we walked like two steps forward. Oh, we saw it. this bent on thiss We didn't even look ahead of us.
00:55:53
Speaker
yeah Yeah. We like took a few steps forward because we made decision to just keep going straight. And this is the high strangeness point, I suppose, is Catherine and I had walked one trail to the destination and it was one path forward and one path back.
00:56:08
Speaker
And then we got to this point where we all of a sudden felt the need to change direction And we started to feel anxious because that was a common thing. Yeah, the anxiety of feeling really um disorientated even though it was such a simple path. Like it's yeah it's weird. Anyway, on top of that, guys, we've just had this whole weird feeling thing, trying to brush it off. Because at the time we're not thinking, oh, you like we were definitely not thinking this is high strangeness. No, we were just annoyed at one another. I was almost like we're just tired.
00:56:38
Speaker
yeah um I just don't, like, didn't. We're just stupid people. Yeah, stupid people having a bit a grumpy itch and then my phone GPS wasn't working so that pissed me off. And then we'll kind of over it. So we went straight and then you can kind of just go through this bridge, like kind of through a little bit of a creek. We have to go back before we the bridge.
00:57:00
Speaker
We have to talk about the arrow that Dad put down. Yeah, I talked about it. What about it? Like, for those of you... Well, think about normal people, Catherine. Yeah, normal people don't place arrows on the ground. It's true. You're walking with your family. And, Catherine, how bushwalks have we been on with Dad where he hasn't Yeah, it is it's it is all very Lee High Strangely.
00:57:21
Speaker
Yeah, like if that's Dad intuition. and yeah Yes. Because I think he maybe got to a point where he was like, where are they? I can't hear them or see them. So I'll just, you know, there's a bit of a thing. I'll just put this arrow down. Yeah. Using his dad brain. Bless our dad.
00:57:37
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that for me was really like good. it It was, it solidified to us. We were just like, dad. Straight, straight. Yeah.
00:57:48
Speaker
um just had to reiterate that because i still think it's really weird that he felt the need to. And that's good that you did because obviously you're doing those walks with him more and I don't know how often he does that sort of thing. But if you're saying it's not really a thing, then that's kind of crazy that it was like something he did.
00:58:03
Speaker
um So, yeah, we're kind of over it at this point, guys. So we're full steam ahead and you can kind of follow the trail and it kind of goes like straight and then out and around. And it adds like another 10 minutes onto the walk and we're like, can we just, let's just cut through to the car park.
00:58:18
Speaker
So that's what we did because we could see the pub. You can see it at this point. And it's like, do you want to go all the way around? No, we'll just get through. So we cut straight through um and then went to the, car yeah, went through the car park, went to the pub, which is no longer there.
00:58:34
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<unk> Rest in peace. Rest in peace pub. um And we ordered a pint. Well, actually, no, we were waiting. We were politely waiting for them to pay for our pint.
00:58:45
Speaker
Politely waiting for mum and dad to pay for our pint. And then we were like five minutes in, which I know sounds pretty silly, but they were ahead of us, guys. Remember that? Yeah. For quite some time. So i don't know how long the confusion part was, but it definitely added an extra.
00:59:00
Speaker
It could have been two have been minutes. And this is the thing. What is time at this point? Yeah. Yeah. But we were still behind them the whole time and then the whole time we were walking, this there's a point in the like the trail where when it go wraps around, i was shocked that I didn't see mum and dad on that part going up the stairs or anything. Yes.
00:59:21
Speaker
That's like, again, when I'm sort of thinking about it, we didn't see. No. And we were walking fast, were speed walking, and I know they wouldn't they wouldn't have been running or walking fast, especially because I'm pretty sure that was not long after.
00:59:35
Speaker
Mum had broken her ankle and stuff, so. Yeah, slow and steady. Slow and steady, yeah, on that gravel. But, yeah, yeah. So i and then at the end of the day, i started i started feeling worried yet again at the pub. I don't know if you did, but i was I was like, I know I'm an impatient person, but it's been, it was 15 minutes. Right.
00:59:57
Speaker
um ah Because I was timing it. It was about a good solid 15 minutes before we saw mum and dad walk through the door. Yeah. And we didn't say anything at that point. We were just kind like, yeah, blah, blah, blah. And then were kind of just sitting there going, that was a bit weird, right?
01:00:16
Speaker
So, yeah I wish I remembered exact sort of reaction from them because, I just to open my door because it's really warm. Today I need some air conditioning.
01:00:29
Speaker
But, yeah, so. Dad was definitely, because I think I potentially brought it up first. I was like, that was weird, right? Like the fact that you guys came 15 minutes after us. I was like, where was your walk? And mum was like, yeah it was a bit long. And I was like, we cut through.
01:00:44
Speaker
yeah Surely we would have seen you or you still would have come in like five minutes after us. And dad was like, yeah, that was a bit, but you could see it was dad we was kind of ticking over in his brain. he was like, yeah. That's funny. So you were talking to mum more and then.
01:00:59
Speaker
Wait, so i was talking to to all of us. It was like a yeah communal me going, am I being impatient or was that weird? Like that you guys didn't rock up any sooner.
01:01:11
Speaker
Like you, we were so behind and then. and then we're waiting 15 minutes to come to the pub. And did you mention, cause I was half paying attention, half sweating my voice.
01:01:23
Speaker
But like, did you mention that we were sitting in the pub for a long period of time and then we got really weird waiting for that long so we actually yes yeah god how long have you checked out for her i was just thinking about whether to open the door or not yeah no yeah so correct um just the fact that we were like okay ah we were then getting worried about yeah we were getting irritable well i was definitely getting irritable again because that's how i express my emotions yeah um i was like concerned i was like where the fuck are they yeah it it turned into like a hope mom and dad are okay we should have given them an arrow but yeah i don't know
01:01:58
Speaker
and Anyway, everyone's alive, but it was weird, guys. You tell us. Sounds very similar to the Reddit story in terms of just such a simple, straightforward, fun walk.
01:02:11
Speaker
Turned a little bit weird. Yeah. Ever so slightly high strangeness. I think so. and Because we spent a lot of the time trying to, well, I know,
01:02:21
Speaker
like even after you like that's weird you know I really went in on dad was just like okay explain what happened like why do you feel the need to like put the arrow there and he was like I don't know just you know like I don't know and I was like I was like thinking for me was a period time where it made complete sense I think we were really good at explaining it away because we were so good at explaining away yeah we like oh we cut through the underpass of that bridge and you kept going all the way around but I just kept thinking like but that would that would be quicker for them because of who
01:02:53
Speaker
mum is like it would be quicker for her to walk on that normal path and then take the stairs across and even like I could justify them still coming in a little bit later because there were quite a lot of stairs going up to the beach area yeah whereas we were going under everything they were going over like that kind of I don't know no but like because I've been on that walk a few times You don't go over that bridge. It's just there.
01:03:19
Speaker
They would have literally just taken another, going to say five minutes. That's the thing. Yeah. and So we were waiting a long time. So I think we kind of explained it away. we're like, okay, we just really took our time and they just sped up.
01:03:32
Speaker
But it's like, yeah, time sped up, but then it slowed down Yeah. It was weird. It was weird. Like it was, ah it felt like a very long time waiting for them. It didn't feel right. And they just kind of wandered in.
01:03:43
Speaker
Yeah. I was like, where were Where were we and where were you? For us to not continue cross paths on that trail that wasn't that long. yeah And not to have already been waiting there for us. Like we both just like, oh, shit.
01:03:55
Speaker
like I just would have been way more surprised because we spent more time being slower at the start, like way more time. And that's the thing. Like we got a little bit confused. That confusion lasted like a total of maybe two, three minutes max.
01:04:09
Speaker
True. Absolute max. Yeah. When you're anxious and feeling weird, it can feel longer. But it was like we should have come in after. know.
01:04:20
Speaker
I know. Yeah. So it is like a bit of a time slip or like there's something happening with us. There's theories of like, cause there's a lot of granite outcrops, like granite in that area.
01:04:31
Speaker
don't know where I read this, so i could be talking shit, but like there's, there's a theory that I'm making up on the spot, but about like magnetic kind of pull and create confusion.
01:04:42
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. create confusion yeah um Or like it could create feelings of anxiety because of just the power of like what is in that rock. Yeah, no, rocks, ah like that is science. Like there are certain energies within rocks and stones and stuff. So that, and yeah because it is quite big rocks.
01:05:02
Speaker
It's a big rocky joint. So, yeah, guys, that's all it was, rocks, mess and lines. Rocks and like making us good confused. Yeah. And, yeah, it was just a bit but weird.
01:05:17
Speaker
And then we explained it away and then the more I sat down with Dad, the more he was like, yeah, it was weird. you know You know when Dad thinks it's weird when he's just is like, yeah. You could see his brain like pondering over it and then I feel like he was like, yeah, it was. And then I kind of wanted to wash it away again. He was like yeah, don't worry about I like, maybe I'm just like, because, you know, meet in there and Erin do like this stuff a lot, but we're not fishing for stories everywhere.
01:05:40
Speaker
that's just funny when something happens. Yeah, and it's funny when it happens where both of us experience something similar. And it was cool hearing what you thought because I thought you were just annoyed at me. I thought I was the only one that was confused. No, I was like in high panic mode.
01:05:57
Speaker
Right. But ah my my brain just kept looking at that road. ah Yeah. Anyway. It got your logic. Yeah. It got your logic. And for Dad's errands. and Dad's arrow is the hero of this story. Can we just reiterate?
01:06:12
Speaker
The absolute hero yeah of us getting out of a straight road. Yeah. Across following... It's straight path. Yeah. Not the weird bullshit. Not the pathetic, wispy. Path that was just calling us. Yeah.
01:06:29
Speaker
So strange. So high strangeness. Hope you liked the high strangeness,
Conclusion and Future Topics
01:06:35
Speaker
guys. That's it pretty much all we have for this evening. um Stay tuned for our next one, which we don't know.
01:06:42
Speaker
we don't know. Give us a suggestion. Yeah. the It's open for this episode. Yeah. Do we have an email? Yeah. um We're getting one. Yeah, cool. We'll put it in the show notes and we'll let you know.
01:06:54
Speaker
And in the meantime, he we'll start thinking about next episode. Yeah, we'll start brainstorming stuff for you. yeah um Keep it spooky, guys. Yeah, keep it spooky.
01:07:06
Speaker
Bye. Bye.