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13NoH S2N2: House of Wax 2005 w/ Ricky from The Night Club Podcast
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Night 2 of 13 Nights of Halloween: House of Wax (2005) We’re turning up the heat with the 2005 *House of Wax* remake, and we’ve got Ricky from @thenightclubpodcast joining us to dig into all the gooey, gruesome details! 🔥 How does this waxy nightmare compare to the original? Tune in to hear our thoughts and decide for yourself! Ready to make your movie night even more killer? Check out our Instagram for a special cocktail pairing recipe that’s sure to set the mood! 🍹 And don’t forget to submit your own review of *House of Wax*—tell us what you loved (or hated) about this mid-2000s horror gem. Your review might just make it into a future episode! Use our Zencastr link to get a special discount for your own show: [https://zencastr.com/?via=theaverage](https://zencastr.com/?via=theaverage) 🎙️ #13NightsOfHalloween #HouseOfWax2005 #HorrorMovies #RemakesVsOriginals #Ricky @thenightclubpodcast #Podcast #HalloweenCountdown #HorrorCommunity #CocktailPairing #FilmReviews #Zencastr
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Introduction to Episode and Film
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Carly? Carly? Wait. What the hell are you doing, bro? Come on. Everyone's waiting for you at the campsite. Wait.
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i'm sorry sorry
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oh
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What's happening here?
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are This is Tim. This is Jonathan. And this is The Average.
Guest Introduction and Community Engagement
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Welcome to Episode 2 of our Spine Chilling 13 Nights of Halloween series, where we pit horror movie remakes against their original counterparts in a battle for ultimate fright supremacy. Tonight, we're delving into the dark waxy depths of the classic horror tale. That's right. We're featuring the 2005 remake of The House of Wax. This modern reimagining promises to deliver even more gruesome thrills and chilling scenes than its predecessor.
00:01:53
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Joining us tonight is a special guest from the nightclub podcast, Ricky, who brings his deep core expertise and unique insights to our discussion. Oh, nice. yeah Nice introduction. Thanks, man. Yeah, this is this is me, Swamp Ass Rick. I'm from the nightclub podcast.
00:02:11
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so just like I'm going to retire from doing these because Jonathan's got the voice for it. you ah go if Well then, get ready for an evening of eerie excitement as we dissect the macabre artistry and terrifying twists of this remake. Tonight we have the wax on wax off cocktail to pair with the film. Head over to our Instagram page to catch the recipe and then tell us what you think.
00:02:34
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And remember, we want you to be part of the Fright Fest. Watch along with us and share your thoughts and reviews. We have a handy little link in our Instagram bio where you can submit your scores exactly the same way we do. Whether you're a fan of the originals or prefer the remakes, your opinion matters.
00:02:49
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We'll be tallying up the scores, tagging everyone who submits a review and provides a valid tag to see how these head-to-head scores play out. When Halloween rolls past and we're stuck in the greatest spare of days until next Halloween, we'll post the winners, original or remake. So dim the lights, grab your popcorn and prepare to be petrified as we unravel the secrets of The House of Wax. All right, before we go too far, that was great. That was great. ah Who was a first time watch for this movie?
00:03:20
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It may as well have been for me. I haven't seen it since. I saw it a long time ago. Yeah. Guys probably saw it like when it came out and like in a blockbuster, probably like in 2006 or whatever. Okay. All I remembered about it was Paris Hilton dying. So that's all I remember too, but I never saw it. I just remembered she was in it. Gotcha. I was 15 when it was released. So there was no way I was being allowed to watch this in our house.
00:03:47
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Gotcha. Gotcha. I was I was a senior in high school and ah I remember seeing it, but I don't remember it. I was probably all fucking play odd. So there you go. I was a few years out of high school at that point. All right.
Plot Summary and Unique Tropes
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So with our film, the House of Wax, this film is directed by ah Jame Colasera and produced by Joel Silver, Robert Zemeckis and Susan Levin. A group of friends ah on a road trip find themselves stranded in a small, eerie town after their car breaks down.
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The cast features Elisha Cuthbert as Carly, and Chad Michael Murray as her rebellious brother Nick, Brian Van Holt in a dual role as the sinister Bowen Vincent, Harris Hilton as Paige, Jared Padalecki of course as Wade, John Abrams as Dalton, and Robert Richard as Blake. As the friends explore the seemingly deserted town, they stumble upon the town's main attraction, a decrepit wax museum filled with lifelike sculptures.
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It doesn't take long for them to realize that the sculptures are horrifyingly real, created from the wax-coated bodies of unlucky visitors. As the group is hunted down by the museum's deranged proprietors, they must find a way to escape before they become the next gruesome exhibits.
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I didn't realize Old Boy played both of the brothers. That's cool. I didn't either. That was a nice little surprise. Yeah, that's a good little touch, considering they're Siamese twins. It makes sense. It makes sense that they play both parts. This 13 Nights of Halloween, we are comparing the remake to the original, as you said. Started yesterday with Black Christmas. I've seen all of those.
00:05:26
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2006 is the one I've seen the least. I'm not even sure I finished it. I've seen all of those movies. This is one where I have seen neither. So I'm truly judging this one having no knowledge of what the original contains. So in that head to head, we kind of wanting to compare the remake first to see so that we don't have that bias of the original, like, oh, they stole this idea, whatever. Watching this one.
00:05:56
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I gotta tell you, I kind of enjoyed this movie. So let's get into it. the The story, the story is, I thought it was equal parts good and equal parts, uh, nonsense that didn't need to be there.
Critiques and Originality Discussion
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So we get full spoiler alerts. Like we get this whole third brother that the twist at the end part of the story, right?
00:06:26
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who could have been cut from the movie entirely and brought the runtime down just a little bit, didn't really benefit the story whatsoever. I mean, I did, my first watch, I'm sitting there like, what? But also I'm like, yeah, I knew they had to bring him in somehow. So I thought his truck was cool, but yeah, they could have cut that motherfucker out completely. Roadkill truck. yeah There's just some stuff in it in the story that felt like padding to lengthen it. I definitely think ah the first
00:07:01
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hour of it could be tightened up. i think those do know oh oh oh yeah I think the last hour of it is pretty good. And this is where I start to wonder if that first hour is ah what was added to the 2006 to make it a slasher, where the ideas of the back half are what's in the original film. I don't know that that's speculation.
00:07:26
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I know the House of Wax idea of coding dead people in wax is the premise of the original film, but that's all I know of the original film. I don't know anything about it either. that's That's all I know of it, but ultimately there's some stuff that can be trimmed from this, but I liked the, uh, some of the plot points of the story that I thought were pretty good were, uh,
00:07:55
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I am spacing on it.
00:07:59
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Like, I thought they had some good ideas. They introduced the twins, okay? We have the twins and we have the good twin and the bad twin, brother, sister. And I was like, ooh, this could be a really interesting parallel to the other twins in the film. It's ultimately isn't. There is no no like distinct parallel drawn between them. But I was like, this is interesting story element ah comparing the two. Just the premise of that abandoned town filled with wax figures. I did question where those puppies in the windows that were very much alive when she walked by came from. but on i say those Those got left there. um Yeah, I actually thought it avoided a lot of typical slasher stuff.
00:08:49
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In that the it's not just a final girl, it's the final girl and her brother, which I thought was really cool. I enjoyed that. I liked that the boyfriend met his end pretty early on. i Same. He was annoying. He was annoying. He irritated me very much. That's the theme in this movie. There's a running theme with annoying characters, I gotta say. It's true. Yeah. that So I thought they did some unique things to the story that quite honestly surprised me during the watch. Like I did when she is running from Vincent and the curtains open and you think this, i'm I'm like this lady just turned her back on the girl and is letting this happen. And I was fully invested in the mystery. I was there. I thought the story
00:09:42
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Like I'm kind of praising it a lot. I only gave it a three. I thought it was good. It is. It's good. It's not great, but it had enough in there that I was intrigued and interested and thought of it was a good story.
00:09:58
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OK, right. I'm going to that for sure. What do you think, Ricky? Oh, I believe I gave it a two. Yeah. wow um Yeah, I thought it was OK.
00:10:13
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Yeah. Okay. Well, I have the, uh, the scorecard pulled up. Oh, okay. Yeah. I gave it a two. I thought it was okay. It was serviceable. Um, there was a lot, there was a lot that I was annoyed with and didn't care for, but, uh, I didn't want to be too harsh on it because I kind of, I want to hear it though. I kind of had a feeling what I was getting into, you know, wait, what's that?
00:10:40
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I want to hear it. what was the ah What was the stuff you didn't care for? I want to know. Are you going to get into it later? Like you said, I mean, I don't know if the padding would be an issue for the script or the story, but yeah I just feel like there was a lot of padding, man. There was a lot of padding. It felt like a little bit of a slog, man. It did.
00:11:05
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it It was a two hour, nearly two hour movie that would have been even better at 90 minutes.
Pacing and Set Design Analysis
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Oh yeah. I didn't know it was, I didn't realize it was so long of a fricking movie. Like I had to take a break like halfway through cause I was getting so annoyed with the first half of the film. I yeah finished watching this. It was like, it was like 11 30 and I was like, man, what the fuck movie?
00:11:31
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um god damn i gotta go to bed now you So even though I say that, I still gave the story, like the whole plot and everything, I gave the, I gave it overall a four. um I actually liked the story. It's just, you know, with what you said about that first hour, there was a lot at the beginning with the traveling, stop at the gas station, too much with the camping, you know, that was a lot of filler. I was not having seen the original. I'm just assuming they just wanted to draw it out to make it a longer movie. And it was just, and it was very unnecessary, I think.
00:12:06
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um But I think Dalton, the friend, the goofy guy with the camera, I think we could have really done without him. I think we could have done without him and the camera thing entirely. The camera thing never pays off. No, it doesn't lead anywhere. It leads nowhere. It was one of my favorite kills, though. He was one of my favorite kills in the film. I enjoyed that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was good. But in my mind,
00:12:38
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In my mind, I'm seeing this camera, and I'm like, okay, this guy's annoying, and his camera's annoying, but at some point, someone's gonna find footage of someone being tortured or killed, and I was like, that would be fucking sick to show it like through that frame of reference, but but fuck no, we don't get nothing cool like that.
00:13:01
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We just get it. My brother, Nick, he steals the camera back at the end from the cops. And he's like, oh, there are memories of our friends. Like, dude, the guy was filming some of the people. I mean, your friends, he killed. So you're really extra trauma watching your friends die in this camera, watching him stalk you in your campsite. Like, oh, God, man. Did he even have the camera? What the hell? Did he even have the camera with him when he entered the the House of Wax? I didn't see it in his hands.
00:13:30
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No, no, well, well, Vincent, Vincent has the camera because, you know, I remember all night when they were in the campsite. He was a guest. So he stole the camera already at that point. And he used the camera to film Paris Hilton or page, yeah you know.
00:13:44
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being dead after you know he kills her and like catches him just like taking the pole out of her head. They could have done so much better with camera. They could have done so much better with that camera. We got no payoff on that, like you said, Ricky. Yeah. No, I agree. We could have got some good payoffs.
00:14:01
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I don't care for in any movie usually that cam footage. I don't care for it. If we're watching something that is filmed omnisciently, I don't need an in world reference to cut into my film. Well, see, I'm totally fine with a found footage movie, but I don't need the two mixing it like Blair Witch Project 2, which is just one of the worst sequels ever that does the same thing. But yeah, that whole camera stuff could have cut that. I've never seen it. I've never seen Blair Witch 2.
00:14:42
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could have explained yeah well the figure but that the fresh card wasn't their Boyfriend at all No, they were pretty useless. They were just extra filler, more bodies and whatever. yeah But like even at the beginning it was the main draw to the film. that Oh yeah, she won a lot of awards for like best support, like worst supporting actress and this and that. She got a lot of crap. She wasn't hired for her acting skills, but I was going to say that. It's just the name and the face, the draw for that. Exactly. They were like, are you going to take your clothes off? And oh, and you are Paris Hilton? Okay, cool.
00:15:14
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I did think, though, when the friend was filming Paris make out with her boyfriend, I was like, gosh, he's familiar with this place to her strengths, right? Right. This is not new territory. for ah home Yeah, it is pretty. Like I said, a lot of that was unnecessary. And aside from that, though, the rest of it, though, as far as what goes on with Bo and Vincent and then the unknown third brother, the roadkill driver, as he's listed. And then the whole story between Carly and her brother, Nick, you know, she's the good one. He's the bad one, and how that relates to Bo and Vincent, cuz you see the child abuse at the opening of the movie. Yeah, the opening. The one child is struggling, it's like, why can't you be good like your brother Vincent? So there is a bit of a comparison there. I actually even noted that last night when I was watching it, that similarity between the two, just in that way alone, and that's it really.
00:16:16
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but um But what they go through and to come out on top and still survive despite all their friends dying, you know, and like that little twist at the end with the third brother that they don't find about till the end. I thought it was really cool, you know, and just the concept of this little place out in the middle of nowhere, you know, that's just this forgotten town, you know, off a beaten path. You know, they don't get too many stories like that anymore. I mean, there used to be maybe a kind of a more used theme in like older films way back, but it's not something you get really even like you in the 2000s or even these days. So yeah, I thought before because I thought it was cool. I find the concept of that just so unbelievable.
00:16:54
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You know what I mean? Like, oh really? Like a whole town of people just disappeared and the buildings are still there, but no one knows about it anymore and no one shows up and no one...
00:17:06
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Stocks and anyone who does they just die and it's it's all good like They had GPS's in in 2005. I'm just saying you shows There's a road on the map. Just no town, which is like, okay. Well nothing you police officer at the end. It's really hard to find yeah, it's it's just Unbelievable for me is what it is Well thing for me the thing that that gets me though that I thought was like what the hell because when when the the friends are in the car and Blake is on his GPS being shitty ignore in Paris You seem like the GPS and like you see like Baton Rouge somewhere in there I think and so it's like it makes me think they're in Louisiana. They are there somewhere. They're okay. So yeah, I
00:17:52
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Okay. House of wax would not stand in frickin' Louisiana. I was gonna ask. It's a completely ridiculous idea that a house of wax and all that shit did not melt in the sweaty, nasty, swampy, humid ass heat of Louisiana in the summer, man. All I can figure is maybe the humidity Like, kept just the humidity makes all the, collects all the the psychotic bitterness of the people living there. And it just channels into the wax and makes it stand. Keeps it alive. Well, yeah the three people that live there? Right, right, right. All three people. Well, there's not the three people in it. Oh, yeah. I was thinking, I was thinking when it started to burn, I was like, are we at least going to see a wood frame?
00:18:39
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that's holding no it is entirely just wax piled on the wax that holds this it falls apart the it makes no sense but here's the thing i thought it looked really cool yeah the set design the set design in this film is dope yep and i'm also going the whole time of like wax doesn't actually catch on fire so i don't know where all these frames came from There's stuff in there that brings you out, but not enough. We're talking like an August day in Louisiana should have been enough to bring that house down already. We didn't need to introduce fire. Well, not last, dude. That's why I'm just like, no, no, no, know no, no, no. It's been there since the 70s. Which is wild. Yeah. It's that ancient wax. But yeah, I'm like, you I was waiting to see if there was like a wood frame or something.
00:19:36
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No, it's all just paraffin and whatever. Yep. It was great. And I didn't know that was real. There was a piano that was real. I think that was it. Maybe. Yeah. Some of the clothes and stuff were fires. The little wheelchair thingy. It's the chairs. And the yeah, it's a little high chairs. That's it. I also could not remember like that basement. Was it attached to all of the buildings?
00:20:06
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Because there's underground tunnels through the whole thing. OK, because I was like, oh, we're in the basement of the house. And then they pop out at the garage. And I was like, Oh, so impossible in Louisiana. I might have to swap the soil. Dude, it would all collapse, man. You just get. That's why houses don't have basements. We don't have basements here. We can't can't do it. It would stay flooded year round. It just you have maybe a flat concrete foundation or you'd be on pyramid blocks, man. That's it. We're poking holes in this story. Yeah.
00:20:34
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That's as a man for Louisiana, the guy who grew up Southeast Arkansas. We know, we know, that we know. Have y'all ever seen The Beyond? by ah luc aenci No. Oh, I haven't seen, no.
00:20:50
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Well, it takes place in New Orleans and there's a basement in this hotel and it turns out it's a gateway to
Character Development and Themes
00:20:57
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hell. And of course it is because that's the only way a fucking basement in Louisiana would be. It would just be a constant hurricane inside of it. So, you know, is Johnny. dein or Am I thinking of the wrong thing? Oh no, this is, this is like 1985 or something.
00:21:18
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um okay yeah it's And it's Italian. Yeah, it's Italian as fuck. I remember there would be like a movie about a gate to hell with Johnny in it with like, he was like a book dealer or something, but I think that's like the wrong movie. Was that the gate? Yeah, it was the ninth gate. Okay, never mind. Yeah, that was the ninth gate. There you go. That's the one. Still a cool movie. I've never seen it. Oh, dude, check it out, ninth gate. There is good. Check, yes, watch ninth gate. Yes, that is an awesome movie. Spent a very good one. Add it to the list. Okay.
00:21:53
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So how OK, the characters in this film, we kind of touched on him with the twins. um Paris and her boyfriend, I don't even know his name because he's such an insignificant character in the film. He does not matter at all. His whole thing is about like. Blake, his whole thing is about having sex with Paris. That's it. That's the whole reason. Yeah. wants And how much love and grab how much he loves his truck. Yes. Like, yeah, he took the shortcut. You know, just kind of like.
00:22:24
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He took the shortcut that caused them all to die so that he could have more time to have sex with Paris. That is it. That is the line in the movie. Yeah, I found the shortcut. It'll save us an hour what so you can have more time to wish for a whisper in her ear. That's it. They don't serve any purpose other than to die. Little, little, little. Right. There's no. Yeah. Thanks for killing us all for your right, buddy. We get a Paris Hilton strip tease down to some red lingerie. um Yeah.
00:22:53
Speaker
They don't matter. She's not built the way I like them. She could stand to have a little rice and gravy in her. Dude, some biscuits and gravy, bro. Biscuits and sauce and gravy. Yeah, you could put on a few pounds. Get her some cornbread and bacon, bro. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, you know. And I'm just saying. No, I'm just saying. She's not my taste. Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. A little rice and gravy. I always thought she was super hot. I mean, she's a good looking woman. She is a good looking woman. She's gorgeous. Not my style.
00:23:24
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ah But then we we talked about there's that it's introduced as an interesting parallel, made this big dramatic fight scene out of nowhere between the brother and sister twins ah about he's the evil twin, even though we learned that he is not.
00:23:44
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He's just portrayed that way. When 15 minutes later he's in the car with his friend and we find out his friend is the one who stole the vehicle that he went to prison for. And he was covering for his friend. Like a bro. Yep. Like a bro. So we learned that he's really not a bad guy at all. He's just got a chip on his shoulder because he's been cast as the bad guy. And then we have her. Since that event. Yeah, we have her who's the goody two shoes. so I guess. ah I can't tell you any other identifying trait of hers. She's the good one. And then ah we have the twin killers. What's the Br- Vincent and- Bo. Bo, that's the guy we saw the most of and then Vincent was the the wax sculptor. yeah So we have Bo who-
00:24:37
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Vincent was like attached to the back of his head. They were surgically removed. And so you think you're going to get this, like, he's the good twin. I'm the bad twin. And they bring it up again. But the thing is, the movie proves that wrong. So in that final fight, when Vincent is going after our girl, good twin, what's her name?
00:25:06
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Carly, our heroine. Yeah, our heroine. A little bit of nobody become heroine. So Vincent's going after her and she's like, you don't have to do this. Bo tricked you into being this bad guy. He ah tricked you. Right. And like, no, Vincent killed their video camera friend. Unprovoked. He did that. There was no coercion from Bo.
00:25:34
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Vincent did that. And then there was also, did he also kill the boyfriend?
00:25:44
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Uh, yes. I think, I think Vincent was the one cause he came, he's the one who came out of the floor from underneath the house. Yeah, actually well i was upstairs changing and grabbing the stuff. Yep. So I'm not sure there's a good twin bad twin when it comes to the brothers. I'm pretty sure they're both messed up people and oversight. Yeah. Yeah. There's, there's no parallel drawn. It's not,
00:26:09
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It's not Vincent bringing bodies to Beau to turn into art or no, Beau bringing bodies to Vincent. Sorry. It's not that way. It is, they're both bad now. It may have started one way when they were children, but now they're both bad. It's not a good, good parallel, bad parallel. It's over for him as far as I know. and So ultimately there was no, there was no starting point for our heroine to come to her conclusion. There's no starting point for our killers to get to and conclusion to arrive at. it They pretty much stayed who they were the entire time we knew them. The only argument that I see that you could probably make is that the brother and sister twins are now closer.
00:27:06
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Maybe. But there wasn't... Maybe. There wasn't really a character journey that this movie took us on of, you know, this person discovered something about themselves and is now going down a different path in life. that's It never happened. We get introduction of what could have been interesting character stories that are then kind of brushed under the rug for the sake of I wouldn't even say shock value, but for the sake of being an early 2000 slasher, like we don't get any resolution to it. There's not a deeper message to it. It's here's a deep character. Let's see what happens to him. That that's how I saw the character arcs. I didn't see much more to it. Right. Yeah, I'm with you. the character I feel like the character
00:28:04
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For this section, I feel it was also pretty weak. um But I did really like the character of Bo. I thought Bo was interesting with his horrible accent. oh I like, and I like, I like to the de useless, I like the useless ah roadkill guy a lot too. I did like him even. He wasn't so useless, but I like him, yeah.
00:28:33
Speaker
It just sort of in character would have been wild for him to have had something important to do in the third act. I thought he was going to come back and help him. I thought he was going to be like the guy, like the only straight in the head person to come into their rescue or some shit, but that was pretty sweet. No, yep no, he was just chilling while all this was happening, not giving a fuck who came out on top for some reason, which I thought was even stupider than Yes. He tried to help somebody try to do something nice someone. Yeah. Like, okay, I'm there. but i destroy His parents didn't give a shit about him because there was nothing about him in that house whatsoever. Yeah. Yeah. and Sadly.
00:29:24
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But what was your score, Ricky? Oh, I'm sorry. um I gave it a two. i stay okay yeah i didn't I didn't say mine was worse than that. You know, I judge on arc and not how interesting a character is. Right. And because there was no arc that I felt was satisfying, I give it a zero.
00:29:47
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00:29:50
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If they had done something with that good twin, bad twin parallel at the end, would have changed my mind. That could have been, I agree. That could have been, that could have worked out really well. There's a lot of missed opportunities. Yeah. There's just a lot of missed opportunities, man. You what?
00:30:13
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I guess I'm going to be a bit of a goo bag then in comparison. Cause I gave, I gave it a four. No, that's that's fine. I like, I want to hear, you don't have to justify it. I want to hear why you gave it a four. I like, that's what I try to do in this scoring system is everybody gets something different out of movies. So I want to know like, what did you get out of it? Please tell me I'm not critical of it. So,
00:30:41
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All the other side characters, yeah, they're they're they're pretty worthless overall, you know, because the fake the focus is mostly on Carly, Nick, you know, in their whole situation and Bo and Vincent. Those are the two big, can you know, contrasts that you've got going through the whole thing um that I see personally.
00:31:01
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um Seeing Paris get taken out just made me so happy, I will say. I know it's not an arc, but just being... No, but it's satisfying. Yeah, so satisfying to see that she still uses character objectified and pointless for no real reason other than face value to draw people to the movie, watching her just get taken out. I just thought that was great. It's not an arc, but man, so awesome. So awesome. But when you look at the brother, sister, twin, Nick and Carly,
00:31:31
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you know At the beginning, you know they're talking about what's going on and why do you invite the brother, blah, blah, blah, blah, and the bad rep that he has because of a stolen vehicle. you know um he's just He becomes demonized in that sense, and so he feels like he has to live up to that role of just being a piece of shit, which sucks. Nobody wants to be cast in that kind of situation. They want to be out of it, be free of it. So he clearly does.
00:31:53
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Carly, she just like, I can't, I don't know no how, I just, be she's just kind of a butthole and not really trying to defend her brother's character in any way. So they both got their faults, it seems like, to start. And then as the film goes on, you know, you see a little bit more, you see some more care and concern, especially at the part where, you know, her, where Carly and Paris are following the bad smell and she falls in debt and they come rushing to save her, make sure she's okay, you know, like, oh my God, you know. That's the first decent thing he does. Exactly. you know So it shows that he's not just a total butthole. He does have a bit of a heart and he does care. you know And then once they they get separated and things go crazy with Carly and Wade in town with Beau, and then you know finding more about Nick and Dalton and how he was covering for him, you find out, hey, he's not such a bad guy. He was just trying to do something good to cover somebody who's already had a lot of shit.
00:32:49
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you know And so you'd feel like it's okay to take the heat. And it's like, okay, if you got really good friends, if you got bros, you can identify with that and wanted to help them cover from them. You know, when it's a really dire situation, it could be an everything or nothing at all kind of situation where you lose everything.
00:33:05
Speaker
yeah yeah It gives you a sense of like, yeah, okay, so he's not such a bad guy. And then once you know they get into town, they get back and Nick's trying to find her. She's down in the in that hidden room under the gas station in the grate there. She's trying to poke out. When she screams out, he's like, oh shit, he's he's here. and boom He's on bow there. They're fighting it out. You know trying to rescue her. He's he's really trying to redeem him himself There is a sense of redemption here when you go through it and then by the end even though he falters Still while trying to protect them and she pulls up she comes out from just being this kind of like whatever I don't care about my brother and her sense of reliance and need and care be like and to protect each other as siblings as all just as Well as a general need to want to survive a horrific situation They come together and she ends up becoming the heroine, you know, so there's a big sense of arc and growth I think in that way to me um that really shows the best of them trying to be you know the best they can to get out of the situation to care for one another and And especially with the way that like she pulls that knife out of his leg when Vincent saw top of him in the wax museum with everything melting around him, and she just fucking stabs him and just just, they had each other's back. And it was cool to see how like they were kind of distant at the beginning, and then how they seemed to kind of reconcile in that in you know in their need to protect each other, to live, and how that changes them is awesome. But at the same time, then you've got Beau and Vincent, and you see, like I said earlier, that opening scene
00:34:37
Speaker
with children. You got mom, Trudy, and hurry with the boys. you know One kid's already eating the cereal, doing good. And then you've got the dad bringing in what you you find out is Bo, who's this the one who's all violent, trying to strap him down and those comparisons. And how like you learn more later on about how there were Siamese twins and how they were separated. All that media, all that kind of focus that put on that at that time when those weren't really common situations medically.
00:35:04
Speaker
or just you know culturally or anything in the media, that's kind of a sensationalist thing that could be kind of heavy you know on kids. And then to grow up and then finding out with Beau talks about how dad you know shoots himself and then mom dies, you know whatever, because she went kind of crazy after everything.
00:35:24
Speaker
You know, and then trying to survive, it makes you wonder who started it with the killing, you know, who started with preserving the people. Well, both of these told him about, you know, preserving people in the wax, it seems. But like who started the killing, though? Who was really bad? Was it Bo that got him into the killing that got Vincent in the killing and then preserving the people in wax just to make better wax statues? Or was it something that came from Vincent with some kind of innate anger at seeing everything that Bo went through? Who knows? But when you see Carly being restrained to that that medical bed in the basement of the garage, um you see in the background that Bo's got a camera. on There's little pictures all over the wall. So he's been doing his own sick thing. And then it seems like maybe contributing the bodies, but it makes you wonder where it really started. If it's all Bo, you know, it's all him. But, regardless of that, at the end of the movie, you know, even though
00:36:17
Speaker
Well, not in a movie, but like ah when Bo gets shot with the arrows by Nick, he's in the house and Vincent comes in after picking up ah Blake and Paris' bodies after killing him to bring him back.
Music, Special Effects, and Advertisements
00:36:29
Speaker
He's trying to take care of his brother, trying to help with the area. He's like, no, leave me alone. la la And then just starts fixing his wax face. You see, there's still some kind of care between brothers. And then Bo tries to talk about how proud their mom would be and everything. You know, they've still got some sort of positive relationship there, even though they're both twisted jackasses.
00:36:46
Speaker
ah But then then seeing them die at the end, laying on top of each other through the melted wax and being brought back together, that I think that whole thing is an arc in itself. And that's why I gave it a four. So that was kind of long-winded. No, you brought up some very good points that I, like, early on, Carly and her brother, I did catch that he was mad at her because she supposedly ratted him out.
00:37:16
Speaker
Right. And so you bringing up that like at the end, they have each other's back. I'm like, ah, man, maybe I do need to rethink that. So I wish it was a little it seems pretty obvious. I wish it was a little clearer that they didn't have each other's back early on. Uh,
00:37:40
Speaker
But also you brought up some good points about the Beau and Vincent because as you were talking about it, the way Beau handles Carly in the chair is so different from the way Vincent handles the boyfriend on the table.
00:37:59
Speaker
And I didn't think about that until just now that Bo is aggressive and violent, but Vincent is shown almost gently caring for like stitching up the boyfriend's wounds. And then yeah, I did catch the bringing of the twins together at the end. I did catch that and I thought that oh yeah yeah that was cool.
00:38:23
Speaker
I was throwing that in their du direction. I thought that was really cool. But man, Jonathan, you brought up some good points. I think I'm going to change. I think I was a little harsh. I think it was a little harsh. I did think and the whole time. I'll come up to a two. I'll come up to a two on it. Okay. Okay. It's better than a zero, but i it's something it's serviceable. Yeah, it's something I'm going to come up on it because you raise some good points. The The thing was, I liked the brother the whole time, the twin. um That's not helpful in this situation. Nick, nick I liked him the whole time.
00:39:07
Speaker
Even though, because even his like that scene where he's in that chair, always drinking his beer like with one finger over it, driving me crazy and drinking it like that. um yeah Where? It's the cool, the cool way in 2005. It's weird. It's weird. just Right. Right. Yeah. just go addba mode but And that football drops at his feet and he's just an asshole about it. I was just like, man, it felt so forced. And then when he was in the car with his goofy friend and was like, you know, I wasn't going to let you take the fall for that whatever. And he basically admitted to covering for his buddy. I was like, see that you're a good guy. And then the fact that he instantly jumped to his sister's protection and all of that, I liked him the whole time.
00:39:58
Speaker
other than that early like D bag stage. Cause he does kick that homeless guy. He does kick that homeless guy. He does. He kicks. Good job. Pretty shitty. He like kicks his cup or something. Yeah, it's pretty shitty. It was a big dick move. Yeah. It doesn't need to exist in the movie at all. So I'll come up to, I'll come up to, I give you, you persuaded me on that one.
00:40:23
Speaker
Maybe, maybe I'm just cynical, but in my head, after the brother and sister survived this, they, I just don't see them talking for at least two years. Especially if they watch the tape on the camera again. Right. That would be, that'd be an interesting sequel. That would be wonderful. Two years later, they come back together and there's a different house of acts. Oh geez. They talk about it because of the trauma.
00:40:53
Speaker
they They try to have Thanksgiving dinner and like it turns into another slasher or something. It's called Dinner of Wax or we could have a city of wax. They stumble upon another town. This time it's in Mexico City and it's called... It makes even less sense that a city would be built out of wax. yeah So the music and sound design for this film hey Oh boy, 2005. That was one of my favorite things of the movie. Yeah. yeah Go Jonathan, tell us. I went with a five because they played songs that I really liked from that time. I mean, you you started out, you got some deaf tones early on. So that's a nice kind of chill tone, man. Hearing Chino's, Merino's voice, I'm like, yeah.
00:41:41
Speaker
Then he gets them disturbed, kind of rock you out a little bit, kind of gets you punchy. And then you got the scene where Bo's got Carly underneath the gas station, strapping her in the chair. He turns on that radio and you got some Marilyn Manson busting out, getting all dark and gritty. I was like, oh yeah, just just super, super good pick. for what's about to be a rough torture scene you think is coming. And it it really sets the stage for that that point in the movie. And you're like, oh, OK. And then at the end, you've got my chemical romance plan. Yeah, I love that. But you mentioned that the radio played Marilyn Manson.
00:42:19
Speaker
okay While he was tying her up to the table, what is do you remember what the first line of that song? It's Dried Up, Tied, and Dead to the World by Marilyn Manson. The first line of that song? No. I don't remember the first line. I caught it on my second watch. The first line of that song as he's tying her to the chair is, you cut off all your fingers.
00:42:43
Speaker
Oh, that's off one of our fingers through the top one of her fingers. I was like, Oh, that was actually good place. I approve. I approve. Nice. On, on go. good That's okay. One thing that those are the big points for me. That was like the the big selling point was just hearing those bands. And I was like, Okay, and hearing My Chemical Romance at the end was a good way yeah to end the film, especially if you're in the theater. That was a great touch if you're watching it in the theater because everyone's getting up feeling pumped by some My Chemical Romance because it was so huge at the time. i That was good as far as not just sound, but as a marketing ploy in itself for how people feel at the end of a movie. Not only that, but it's one of their best songs.
00:43:28
Speaker
Yeah, Helena is a classic. We actually do. We have to my chem in there. It's I never told you what I do for a living is earlier in the film, and then it ends with Helena. But yeah, the music, the licensed music for it is bankers. Great. Yeah, they did. Here's why I couldn't give it a five. I could not tell you a thing about the score.
00:43:58
Speaker
but i do I know. i do i have bear i could have I was barely paying attention to it through the whole thing. I tried to. I tried to pay attention at certain parts and you hear some tones and you sound just... And that's fine. That's fine. that tells me That tells me that it was at least serviceable because nothing what stood out as annoying.
00:44:16
Speaker
yeah So I gave this a two initially, but I feel like bumping it up to a three because the licensed music, as you said, are some fucking bangers.
00:44:27
Speaker
so here's another one theory Here's one more thing, though. So when I went to scene where Wade, the dumb boyfriend, the or the asshole, um when the lights go out in Bowen Vincent's house, when he starts getting attacked, there was it. um I had paused it for a second and I was watching it through Amazon Prime. And you know how you pause the certain parts of it in Amazon Prime and it shows you name of people who like the cast are in that scene and like music is playing?
00:44:59
Speaker
I stop and the the sound track part at that time was was labeled as bitch made. What? Yeah, I laughed my ass off so hard. cause I was like, what? This track at this point is called Bitch Made? Like, oh, because Wade, Jared Padalecki, is be getting made a bitch in the dark, getting beat up, cut up, and tore up, man. I just i just thought that was so ironic, but hilariously awesome. um That is good.
00:45:28
Speaker
that's i i'm I'm not as harsh. I'm not as harsh as Ricky is on this one I love the music the licensed music for the film. I also thought the score was Serviceable in the best way. I thought it was good. I thought it heightened the moments appropriately It was definitely not distracting. But the other thing that I loved is the squelching melting squelch of all the stepping and the wax and the dripping and like that sounded good. It might've been oversized. It might've been just a little bit more than realistic, but it made experience better. So i I enjoy. I agree with that.
00:46:18
Speaker
The pull, the handrail, the jagged pull, hit like handrail being pulled out of Harris Hilton's head, that sound. that okay ah Okay, so good. Okay, you're you're selling me. Yeah, i'm I'm coming up to a four with it because I hadn't taken that into account. The sound design is excellent.
00:46:37
Speaker
All right, so I'm also a four, Ricky is now a four, Jonathan's a five. The only reason I'm not a five is the composed music itself is just good. It's good, and it's not.
00:46:51
Speaker
Okay. So I'm averaging out the fives that I like about it and the three that is the composed. So here's the other one though. this is I went hard on this one. The editing and special effects. I thought this movie looked way better than I anticipated it to.
00:47:12
Speaker
like i new good I knew the house melted and burned at the end. like I knew that was the end of this film. just because so My backstory, in 2005, I was 15, my father was a youth pastor, and I was not allowed to watch R-rated movies.
00:47:32
Speaker
ah period. But I was always fascinated by them. So I was reading, ah we did watch Passion of the Christ, that one was allowed. um Yes, bloody whipping and beating. Yes, that's okay for my boy, but he can't watch. people Check out the nightclub podcast episode. replace Yeah, we covered that. I was on that one. um We So I wasn't allowed to, but I was always fascinated by them. When movies like this came out, I was online that dial up internet. Oh, crap. Reading about movies that I couldn't see. I would read breakdowns of scenes and I would picture it in my head. And I'll tell you what I pictured for this movie was far more graphic than what is actually in this movie. So I don't know what that's about. But.
00:48:23
Speaker
I had pictured how this movie played out in my head. This played out not at all like it. And finally getting to see it. It was kind of one of those things that I've always wanted to see it and was. I had pictured it so graphic in my head that I was worried. Terror. It's got nothing on Terrifier, too. So I. Oh, no. yeah yeah so Nothing.
00:48:52
Speaker
it's It's actually a pretty tame slasher film. slash thumb yeah like like my wife watched it and she was fine. yeah There was a few scenes where she was like, oh, I'm not looking. But ah you know yeah but overall, the roadkill.
00:49:08
Speaker
looks pretty good it's not bloated which roadkill on heat would be but other than that it was gross it was effective uh the cesspit the fucking dead nasty cesspit the roadkill cesspit was great i love that it looked good it sounded worse it's That scene, can you imagine? And they did a nice job when they arrive at the camp the night before and they're like, do you smell that? Something's dead. you know Because you can see the trees blowing hard from the wind. Yeah. They did a nice job setting that up. It ultimately matters not at all other than to get them into town. Actually, it doesn't because they go to town for the fan belt.
00:49:55
Speaker
So it doesn't matter at all just to introduce a character that that doesn't need to be there. Also, it doesn't matter at all. So yeah irrelevant. It is good. ah The wax figures. Everything in here is wax. The floor. I've never been to a wax museum, so I can't tell you. I've seen many of them. And they looked the one I went to. the The figures looked more realistic than these.
00:50:21
Speaker
OK, so that's what I was going to say. I didn't think they looked that great. But the other thing I have to consider is that for a movie like this, probably made on a smaller budget, they weren't going to hire somebody who specializes in wax figures. Right.
00:50:40
Speaker
to make all these props. That would be probably a lot of cost. That would be most of the film's budget. So I was willing to forgive that some of these did not look super realistic when the kills looked really good. I actually think other than his face looking a little thin, when Wade is covered in wax and his eyes are moving. Oh, man. Yeah. And part of his face comes off and he says he got off and get him out of it. And that fucking idiot's just peeling the skin off of him and won't stop. And I'm like, dude, what the fuck is wrong with you? This is not the time to tism on this. <unk> All that hot wax, dude. My boy, not the skinny way like.
00:51:31
Speaker
It looks so good. And the contraption that they put him in. straight or yeah frameing everything the chair yeah it's like a soul device right it looks like a small default And then the ultimate burning down of the house. I am watching it like usually watching those scenes. I'm like, where's the CGI though?
00:51:57
Speaker
I was looking at it like, there's they got it, but I could not spot it. It looks good. The special effects of this film look really good. I gave it a five. I was impressed through and through. I know the wax figures were a little bit, could have left a little to be desired, but like I said, I'm gonna attribute that to not spending all of the budget on an actual wax figure artist.
00:52:25
Speaker
but other than that even we got the indiana jones melting faces yeah dude Like, eence I, I was the underlying corpses and everything. Yeah, it was good. I loved it. I loved it. I have zero complaints when it comes to i Paris Hilton getting a pipe through her forehead and out. The wiggle is a little rough back here, but I'm going to forgive it. It was all right. That was that was my.
00:53:01
Speaker
Oh, sorry. No, that was like the only thing that I was like, that looked like a wig. Other than that, really good. If there's anything to be said about CGI, it's that section where Vincent throws that pipe and you see the screen transition of the pipe going across and then into her head. That was great. I think that would be the biggest thing you would say if you were to try to put anything for CGI. And just the way it looks.
00:53:30
Speaker
Right. Hello. Don't know. He's just experienced, I guess, maybe, after all the bodies. Who knows how many people he's scared? You never know. Having half a face missing will do that to you. Yeah. It was someone like Paris Hilton. You got to get it in deep, right?
00:53:44
Speaker
um So yeah, he got that whole thing like just get it hit all right get it like just getting hit the head falling over in the sound and just goosh and just hit kind of kind of going on a little bit and then Vince it coming up with the camera and using his boot while he's videoing to Squish her head further down Yes the pole and then pulling it out the whole effect of all of that and then the gaping hole left in the skull ah God that was just what beautiful dude and
00:54:17
Speaker
Yeah, it was so awesome. So aside from that, though, in the basement, man, when they find Dalton in the chair and it wants to try and free him it and then the already severed head detaches and they start freaking out like. ah That I did, I thought that was so cool. OK, I was like, you were never going to be able to save him. I didn't mention one of the ones that made me like queasy was and not because it was especially graphic, but because it it was convincing is when he snips her finger coming through the grate. Oh, yeah, just a little tip.
00:54:55
Speaker
Yeah. Just the tip. Yeah. It never looked fake. Like, I was like, and I mad. It never looked... Well, don't forget about Elke. Right, right. Let's not forget Blake, the useless boyfriend trying to bang Paris Hilton.
00:55:15
Speaker
when he doesn't come back in the tent and she's trying to run away, you see him laying on the ground, knife in the neck, not even fully stick up, but you can see in the skin, we'll flap around it, bleeding, choking out, and just like him coming up, Vincent coming up, and then stepping on the knife and pushing it in further. That was so good. like That looked so real. That was like one of the best effects, I think, aside from snipping off Carly's finger through the grate.
00:55:43
Speaker
For me, it was the fucking superglue on the mouth. Oh, that dude. That fucked me up when he superglued her mouth closed and you could see the skin fucking peeling off while she was trying to talk and open her mouth again. Yeah. figured out And also, since we're where on set design and effects and editing, the ah faces um in the walls all the faces in the walls, like going down the stairs and in the basement. Just just the set design in this movie is dope also. It looks, du the atmosphere inside the House of Wax is exactly what I want from a horror movie titled House of Wax. Sure, sure, yeah. And even like the like the the grating on the floor with the big boiling thing of wax with the the fucking kiln and the, ah
00:56:43
Speaker
uh what you call it the furnace or whatever that's boiling it up. Boiler whatever with the hot wax everything. Yeah like like just all that just looked so dope the contraption that they see sits them in to spray them all that was so cool the kills were all due. We'll see it makes me. I'm giving it a five dude I'm giving it a five. Heck yeah. I mis-collect I clicked on three because I wasn't paying attention but I'm giving it a five you know there's no complaints. Yeah we all agree Yeah, this is a good section here, very top. But it makes me wonder also, though, because of the fire of the house wax and everything, what you see is that there was also a lawsuit because of a fire on set that burned down a lot of stuff, some sort of ah gross negligence. ah So I wondered if any anything that was caught in the film was part of that stuff burning down in that fire situation. They don't specify. but
00:57:37
Speaker
There was actually no no CGI. It was actual footage of the set burning. the all those writing stuff yeah yeah No, I did see that about the lawsuit. So that is, does make you wonder, but we're unanimous on that editing and special effects. It's a tight film. It looks really good. It is, at this point, nearly 20 years old. And none of it looks dated outside of the cell phones they're using. You know, little have bri the little T-Mobile starter phones. There's no texting in this film. That's the shit I had, man.
00:58:21
Speaker
yeah was like My first cell phone in 2004 or 2005 was a little T-Mobile, a little Nokia, a little brick, a little blue border. When I finally got a flip phone, um i was so I thought I was so cool, bro. I had that little slide phone where you're just able to be s slide up like Matrix style. look Oh, yeah. Man, I had that. That's the Econet phone, bro. Oh, no. I had that gray LG flip phone with the speakers on the side.
00:58:46
Speaker
I would trade my phone today for that thing. So do y'all remember Job for a cowboy? Yeah, dude. So you're a member in two men of a machine.
00:59:00
Speaker
That one, i their song that was their song that like got real popular. And like right before the breakdown, you have like a chick screaming like it's a horror movie. So when I had my flip phone, I had recorded that and I made that my ringtone. And I was just like, I was like, I'm so fucking cool. I got this shit as my ringtone. You hear it? It's just the chick screaming and then the snare and then the breakdown. Yeah.
00:59:27
Speaker
I don't think I've listed a job for a cowboy since like 2009. Check out their album, Sun Eater. Sun Eater. Okay. From a few years. I'm gonna say it's from a few years back, but I'm probably really dumb in Rome. It's probably like 10 years old now or some shit. Sun Eater is one of the heaviest things I've ever heard in my life. And it's super nacy.
00:59:53
Speaker
I always thought job for a cowboy, at least in my part of America, got popular because it covered Soulja Boy. Was that them? What? I set my friends on fire. That was I set my friends on fire. Nevermind.
01:00:12
Speaker
but i haven't yeah where cow would do bro those I set my friends on fire job for a cowboy. I wrestled a bear once there were a lot of crazy names i wresttle with people want to Still I revisited music videos Who's that I wrestled a bear once? yeah Yeah, that's a funny. music I dig them. I dig them still I All right, we, five out of five, we're unanimous that the special and effects in this movie have aged fantastically. It looks so good.
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01:02:33
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here is where ah I'm gonna rip the movie
Script, Acting, and Direction
01:02:38
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a little bit. This script is pretty cringy at times.
01:02:46
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yeah um you 90% of the opening of the first 45 minutes at least is pretty rough dialogue. I think once we get to town, things start flowing a little bit better.
01:03:03
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Every scene with Paris Elton and her boyfriend is cringy dialogue. Every single scene. Yeah. But. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Ultimately. Ultimately, you know, when it comes to slasher films, I've seen have read next to New York. Yeah, that was a great line. She flurps around the ketchup on her French fry. Yeah.
01:03:30
Speaker
ah Yeah, I couldn't it write down like the terrible lines, but early on, oh. um The moment that I was like, you know what? I don't know if it's the acting or the script. with is When the third brother pulls, they see that hand coming out of a the ah carcasses. The cesspit. Yeah. And he acts like he's never seen that hand before and he goes over to it and he reaches down and they're playing this up. And it's shot like you think it's a human hand. I was like, oh, this is intriguing. And then he pulls it out and it's like from a mannequin.
01:04:14
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No way. What are you doing, man?
01:04:22
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Anyone need a hand? He goes, anybody need a hand? I was like, that was good. I kind of like it. I kind of like it. I I was like, here we go. Yeah, I like this guy. That was good. guy knows what I was going for. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed that. so Yeah,
01:04:46
Speaker
yeah the I'm telling you though, this movie would have, just about every score, just about, would have been improved by eliminating Paris and her boyfriend.
01:05:02
Speaker
and the third brother gone. This one third brother doesn't bother me on the script, but Paris and her boyfriend, their lines are so pointless and dumb that it brings the script score down for me. The rest of them I can live with. I would have been fine with.
01:05:18
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and the other reason
01:05:22
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The only reason they exist is just to separate the twin brothers from both being in the town at the same time. You know what I mean? It's it's it's so dumb. And I do think the only reason they also exist, the other reason is because most of the marketing for this movie was about Para-Tilton.
01:05:43
Speaker
Right. Like um one of their campaigns for marketing this film was see Paris die. That was what, like they sold t-shirts for Paris Hilton's death. Good marketing ploy for the time though. yeah give hey got you that good on Good marketing But it also goes to show that like these characters felt so forced. And I think the script,
01:06:09
Speaker
Really reflects that so I did I gave it a three. I thought it was good I'm gonna give more credit to the good stuff than the bad because ultimately the bad stuff didn't matter on how the story played out at all, so I'll give it I'll let that stuff slide but the three It was good. There's some really rough stuff early on setting up the characters, setting up the couples, all of that really crazy dialogue. But once we get moving towards the back part, there's actually some good lines delivered. Like when Bo tells his brother, uh, is it, you're making a,
01:06:54
Speaker
your artistic skills make up for what God didn't give you or something like that. they're like There's some decent stuff at the back, but the front is pretty bad. So I'm going to stick with a three. It was good script, really not a great script at all.
01:07:14
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ah yeah i can i can I can get with that. um I also went with the three. There wasn't anything really over the top as far as anything with how dialogue was written and everything.
01:07:25
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um Yeah, the second half of the movie is where everything really shines through because it's just so rough to get through that first half. um They could have taken this down from like what was an hour, 52 minutes, probably down to like an hour 30.
01:07:41
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If they tell you a lot of the bullshit throughout the first half and maybe a little bit through a lot of some of like the, the nonsense dialogue through the second half. Um, yeah, that that's, that's not, I don't really have much to say about script. It just, it's just kind of there for me. So three threes it. Yeah. I gave it a two because I feel like there was a lot of padding. Um,
01:08:05
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yeah This movie felt long, man, especially that first half. I'm looking at it and I'm like, I already don't care about any of these people. um Let's just please get them to the to the the wax house so that something fun can start happening. And it just it just took so long. It just took so fucking long.
01:08:29
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I'll tell you the scene the scene though that I thought was pretty decent that kind of hooked me other than Again, the boyfriend being written like a total dunce um When they're getting that fan belt and they go back to the house the whole red flags all over that situation oh yeah you're like in nobody in their right mind does that but when he goes inside i hated how he's like sneaking around the house but then like making noises yes he does it i was like idiot dude he's exactly he's just picking shit up and being like
01:09:11
Speaker
Yeah, I was like, this is dumb. But then when she gets out and she's outside and he, Bo put her in the truck and asked if she needed anything. No, I'm fine. I'm ready to go back. And he goes inside and she starts to get a little bit suspicious, like what's taking so long. And so when she steps out and sees that the truck is the one that kind of i terrorized the camp the night before, yeah I was like, oh, here we go.
01:09:39
Speaker
That is when the movie picked up for me and I was invested quite a bit. Yeah. i say I agree. I'd say that's the real turning point because yeah before that it's like, and it almost, it's almost edging you because it's like, all right, here they are. They're in the town. These guys got to be the bad guys, right? Look at this guy. He's an asshole. He's got to be the bad guy. And it's like, when Oh,
01:10:03
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oh the When they get in the car with the third brother and you're like, Oh, here's where it's going to get bad. And then he's like, Oh, I gotta stop right here. And they're like, okay, we'll get out. And you're like, Oh, okay. yeah And then nothing else happened. He's like, try to do something nice for for people. ye but i i I was thinking from the get go, I was like, this guy is going to end up being the ah one good person outside of the friend group who's going to come back to save him or something. But again, he ended up not doing anything. so Nope, not a thing. But you mentioned the funeral scene.
01:10:44
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Yeah, I'll get to that on the direction. I think that was a really good set piece. um So the acting in this film, I'll just say it now. Paris Hilton was not hired to act in this film.
01:11:01
Speaker
That is That's a fair statement, yeah. That is not why she was in this film. In fact, I think Jonathan mentioned ah this movie was nominated for a couple of different awards, the Golden Raspberry Award, ah Paris Hilton for Worst Supporting Actress,
01:11:22
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i also Teen Choice Awards for Best Scream Scene of the Year for Paris Hilton. MTV Movie Awards Best Scared-As-Shit Performance, Paris Hilton. She was nominated. She won Worst Supporting Actress of the Golden ra Raspberry Awards for this. Nice. But yeah, the acting in this film is not great at all. However. I'd say our main, well, my bad. I didn't mean to cut you off. Go ahead. No, no. i I'm agreeing with what you say. The main characters, ah Alicia Comfort. The main three. As Carly. She is good. and and And then Chad Michael Murray, as Nick, is good. And then Brian Van Holt, as Ball invents it, they are very good. The rest of the cast, even Jared Padalecki, he's fine.
01:12:15
Speaker
He's fine. I wouldn't say he was great. Whatever. But they're serviceable, at least. theyre Yeah, they do it. And, you know, I had to go back and just think about like. I love the 80 slashers. I'm not always as big a fan of the late 90s, 2000 slashers, because they tried to be a little bit too dark, a little too edgy, too serious. This one I didn't. It juggled that.
01:12:45
Speaker
but I also felt like it had that ridiculous camp early on of just the nonsense at the camp that the acting didn't rub me that wrong.
01:12:56
Speaker
I mean, I love the entirety of the Friday of the 13th franchise, but I'm not going to tell you that the acting in those movies is fantastic. Oh no. no. Yeah. So I ultimately had to say, you know what? The acting in this was not great, but it didn't take away from my ultimate experience other than there were a couple of times I was like,
01:13:21
Speaker
Damn, Paris is bad. There were a couple of line deliveries that were flat. Flat is a motherfucker. Yeah. Yeah. So I ultimately, I give the acting a three. it like It was, our main characters were good and they carried the movie. The rest of it was Friday the 13th, part nine. You know, it just doesn't matter. Yeah, I agree a hundred percent. I gave it a three also. Same reason.
01:13:51
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There you go. Donkey. I believed in that one. Nice. I can't do it. I'm a bum. but yeah i
01:14:05
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ah doing de you like when ill leave it like i said i say i could i could't but i'm now I'm not go there. Uh, but yeah, with acting out, I went with the three as well. It was kind of a, just an average standard kind of performance for a horror film. Um, like I said, some of the, the, the B characters just kind of meh, it's whatever they were there. Jerry Padalecki though, man.
01:14:30
Speaker
I love the guy, but God dang it, the character of Wade though, he did a good job of playing him being a stupid butthole. Like, you get called an asshole three times because you keep going into places and sticking your nose into shit you're not supposed to. and ah Like, who the hell is this society gonna walk into a place that's closed in Middletown, nowhere where it's creepy and you're not supposed to be in these places, but you do anyway? Yeah, you're an asshole. right Don't do that.
01:14:56
Speaker
But other than that, yeah, it just is kind of a just an average delivering. Carly was called Alicia Cuthbert. yeah I'd say she did a pretty good job. Yeah, it seemed kind of meh at the beginning, but you know that her her acting seemed to kind of ramp up as things went more into the action aspect of escape and fight and flight kind of situation.
01:15:19
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um Yeah. So I really say about that. I liked her quite a bit. um i like the She became that heroine at the end. I was like, i'm good for you. Hell yeah. You know, what if I back kick some ass? So the direction, then moving on to Juan Colle Serra, however you say his name, I want to say it correctly. um Unfortunately, I'm not certain myself. So so
01:15:51
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but He's a Spanish American film. He's kind of known, like this was his first film. Wow. Before that, he had done music videos and maybe a commercial or two. i His first feature film was House of Wax. And then his third film, just about everybody knows, was Orphan.
01:16:20
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah. Which is a good film. ah That was his third one most recently, I believe. Black Adam. He, Jungle Cruise and Black Adam with Disney. So he worked with Dwayne The Rock Johnson on Black Adam. Honestly, I was quite impressed, especially as a first time director with this film. He did, he avoided a lot of things.
01:16:50
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that I often critique when it comes to direction. i He doesn't cut too quick. He lets the shot linger just long enough. There was a scene, well, for instance, for letting the shot linger when he kills the video camera friend.
01:17:09
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and we get that scissor knife cut of the head and we just see the handles sticking out like my hands are the blade or the handles and then they pull away and pull away the body with no head on it beautiful shot yes and then it turns around and you see the head still there as the body gets dragged away and the heads blinking a little bit great love the scene. Then there's the almost that wax spraying contraption that he puts people in. Like that looks like a music video for. Nine Inch Nails. Yes, a Nine Inch Nails music video. It's like something that you'd sit in if you were in closer. yeah bun yeah yeah Like it's it's really good. But then there's a scene when
01:18:03
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ah Carly is fleeing the church and Bo is following her and it's shot sideways and above yeah to go down the main street. And I was like, that's nice. That's a good look. Or the scene when she, I think it's right after that one when she kind of stumbles into the town and this whole time she's thinking there are people in the town until that moment. Because earlier when they get in there,
01:18:31
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They go to the church, there's a gathering at the church, and they knock they like open the doors, and they realize it's a funeral. There's a priest up there, people in the pews, and then Bo comes out, it's his mother's funeral, he's super mad at them, but I'll help him get the fan belt, whatever.
01:18:51
Speaker
And she goes back there later for help and realizes that everybody in that church is a wax figure that's staged. And this is the moment when like, yeah, when she realizes that headlight is broken.
01:19:06
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and her boyfriend's inside. That's when things escalate. This is when the shit hits the fan. And because she hits one of those wax figures, the arm breaks off and she sees that there's bone and blood and grossness inside. That's when she flees. We get the nice overhead shot. But then she stands in the middle of the street and the camera just goes around her and it's just this immense, isolating shot.
01:19:33
Speaker
And then there's other smaller moments like when she hides under a table and at first we're behind the table and we track the feet and the camera moves around the table as the perpetrator does. There's just a lot of really nice touches that Wong brought to the film that I think elevate it if he hadn't been as skilled as he was this film would have been far more forgettable still more should have been trimmed from the front i think we're all unanimous on that there's a lot that didn't need to exist but ultimately what's there is pretty solid i found myself genuinely surprised
01:20:21
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by the direction. And some of the, like we talked about the kills look good. For a first time director we're working with those effects, he does a damn good job of making it look good. And I thought the end was actually quite thrilling. My first watch, is second watch, second watch, I found the movie a little bit more boring, especially in the beginning, but yeah, especially the beginning, but I, the first time through I was really enjoying watching this film and a lot of that had to do with his direction. I think his direction is above average for this type of film. So ultimately I gave, I gave it a four. I said his direction is great on this film. So I was impressed. Okay. All right. Like, yeah, I can and um with that. So.
01:21:19
Speaker
Like you were saying, with the scenes around the table, like when Carly's in Bo and Vincent's house, and she's running around, like moving around the pool table, rolling under, coming back up, looking in the camera direction, around the whole room, and even looking in the kitchen scene, Bo coming back, and every of that transitions back around. Those were done really well. I think it was great. One of my favorite parts was when Wade is trapped in the house, and the lights go off, and he starts getting attacked, Yeah, all those really abrupt inward zoom in shots backing out, you know, when he's getting attacked and like he's freaking out dead like shit. Yeah.
01:21:55
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Yeah, all those, ah with the light's right, you get to just a bare minimum of light and just all the in and out and just the shock and freaking terror. I thought that was really wonderful for the part. That that was super cool. I was down with that for sure. But just the movement overall, like with you having said, like him being, having been like directed some music videos, he's got a good sense of movement in short spaces of timeframe, you know? It really helps move with the action of things. So, man.
01:22:23
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ah That makes sense. Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. It makes sense with how he knows how to use an area and movement in that area based on, you know, experience with music videos, ah which I didn't draw a comparison until now, but fucking, you know, Snyder, man, you know, some of some of it could be very, very Snyderish. It's very stylish, but modern and, yeah ah you know, zooms and close ups. And and um I mean, there wasn't any egregious slow motion, but still, you know, maybe there could have been.
Humor, Pacing, and Cultural Impact
01:23:01
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Yeah. yeah
01:23:06
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Well, I also really like how like during the cesspit scene when Carly falls down the hill, yeah how like they've got her like sliding down, trying to keep herself out from getting face first into it, getting arms deep and just yeah struggle, yeah that whole thing. Oh, man, that looks so awful. And just imagine being in that situation. right like I'm sure everybody watched that. It was like, thank God, I'm so glad that's not me.
01:23:32
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I'd just be like yakking right there on myself while trying to keep myself out of the muck of just gross dead rotting things. Really? That's super cool too.
01:23:43
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i He should be docked points for the fact that nobody vomited in that scene. One of those people is throwing up at that scene. It's probably me if I'm there. no doubt Someone did throw up in the movie though, both threw up in the sink at the house after he pulled that freaking arrow out of his arm or threw the arrow throw through his arm.
01:24:06
Speaker
Yep. I forgot about that. There was a little bit of vomit. I was a four in the direction. I was impressed. I was not impressed with Black Adam, but I was impressed. Oh, was at a I forgot to mention. I'm a three also. ah so Three as well. Yeah. I was impressed in finding out that this is the guy's first film. I'm impressed with the direction as well. I just, I just wish he would have
01:24:36
Speaker
cut 30 minutes, 20 minutes. Use some scissors. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like Vincent. Like you're not, you're not really making like, that's something I wanted to say. It's like, dude, you're not making Rosemary's baby. This is not a slow burn. This is a dumb 2000 slasher, bro. There's no need for it to be two hours long.
01:24:57
Speaker
Please please I do think I do think that was an attempt to elevate the movie that didn't need elevating right? I do think also I think All of that was added. I think the main part of the story the remake is in that house of wax. So I'm i'm curious to see. I ah love Vincent Price, yeah but I haven't seen this movie yet. So I'm really excited to see this one and see how much it impacted this film. When? I'm thinking about a whole lot. In-Factor, cultural significance. I'll kick it off. This movie didn't get great reviews. Oh, I wonder why. Yeah. That's really embarrassing.
01:25:44
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I do think people were a little harsh on it. idea Out of all the early 2000 slashers I've seen, i this is one that I would put towards the top. It's not a great film, but I really enjoyed it.
01:25:59
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ah But the reason I gave it a two at all is the Paris Hilton marketing campaign around it that see Paris die. Because I was 15 years old when this came out and that's all I remember about this movie before watching it. All I remembered was Paris Hilton was in this and her death was the reason you watched it. like It stuck with me for I am 34 years old now. I gave it a two also.
01:26:29
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Yeah, I'm 34 years old finally watching this and it was with me for 20 years. So I had to give it some credit for that. And I remember that from marketing, you know, and the poster is awesome. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, ah it's hard covered in wax, you know? Yes. And it looks dope. It looks gross. It is fantastic. so It didn't have big cultural significance at all. I gave it a two. Yeah. I'm sitting there. two Two's all across the board. Bringing it in, we're all two for the factors. So overall, how entertained were we on this movie? Overall, entertainment value together. We were everybody together. Seven. Eight.
01:27:24
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ah Oh, seven. I gave it a seven. Yep. So we're all right there together on entertainment value. Really? The reason why this comes down for me too long e and Yeah, too long. I was going to say pointless characters, but if we take out those pointless characters, the movie gets shorter and it fixes the problem. So that is that is it. If we trimmed 20 minutes from this movie, it becomes
01:28:01
Speaker
One hours and 31 minutes long, and and that would have been perfect. Didn't need some of the 20 minutes at the beginning of this movie. I think we could probably cut it even a little bit more than that. And this movie would probably go up in my entertainment value, maybe not a 10, maybe a nine or so. Might be close to 10, I don't know. I haven't seen that cut. But the first hour of this movie is a slog to get through.
01:28:32
Speaker
It's a little boring. I would say that the first 30 minutes especially, more so than the first hour, because you get a little more development during like the second 30 minutes from the start. So then that first 30 minutes, there's there's a huge section you could have just cut out of that easily would have solved a lot of problems. I didn't even really need that little prequel at the beginning. It looked good. It looked good, but I didn't need the 1974 shot of the babies.
01:29:01
Speaker
It was stylish, looked nice, didn't really need it. I think finding all that out from the newspaper clippings later. would have been fine. so Ultimately, it was enjoyable. I will probably watch this again, especially if it comes to streaming. I had to rent it for this, but if it comes to streaming again, yeah i'll probably watch but it's enjoyable. i might I might even show it to people who are overlooking for like, oh, what's a movie you haven't seen?
01:29:33
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That's all right. This one, you know, for this sake, 13 Nights of Halloween, you line up Black Christmas, ah whatever year that movie was that we talked about yesterday. um This is a significantly better movie than that one. So hopefully that's serving your 13 Nights of Halloween well. So I think it works for a Halloween movie.
Overall Impressions and Comparisons
01:29:54
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It does. It's a little bit longer, but it's enjoyable. Heck yeah.
01:30:01
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um Yeah, man. I feel pretty comfortable at night, because I still really enjoyed it, despite that first half slog. The second half just really ramped it up for me, and that's where I get all my inner joy out of it. So, yeah. Entertainment City, bro. I'm all about it.
01:30:20
Speaker
Yeah, same. um Once it once it ramps up, it's it's it's good, man. You've got you've got the chasing. You've got them fucking shooting him with the crossbow and he's pulling arrows out because they didn't. They didn't double tap because they're dumb, but, you know, it's it's. I think she's with that scene. You brought it up now and now I'm mad about it, so.
01:30:48
Speaker
ah They just selected, they just left him there and I'm like, come on. So there was that when they were at the gas station and the brother like wails on Bow, kicks his butt. But then later, after Bow has been shot with two arrows, one completely through his arm and the other one into like this region, but it's an even match.
01:31:14
Speaker
Right. Somehow those arrows improved his ability to fight the brother. So I didn't quite. OK. I don't know. It's a hell of a thing, but damn, dude. Yeah, that was one that I was like, OK. They didn't show him. They didn't show him like smoke a crack rock right before they fight. I'm going to crack in me. That's going to be sort of intervention. Vincent. yeah
01:31:43
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Bo, your brother wrote you a letter, but he decided to carve it in wax instead, so just watch this. It's made love you. He loves you. Get better. Damn. Remember when we were kids and mom beat you? Right. They strapped you and taped you to your chair while I ate cereal and watched. Yeah. So overall, our final score is, my final score is a 32.
01:32:13
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or round three out of five stars. 37 Jonathan.
01:32:22
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And then Ricky. Oh, oh, are you waiting for me? My bad. Yeah. i I come up with a 30 apparently. Yeah. Yeah. Ricky comes up with a 30 that brings our average of the three of us again.
01:32:39
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This 13 Nights of Halloween is more fun if you're joining in. You submit your scores and they go into this little segment right here where we add it all up together. We three are a 33 when we divide it all and get that average. So that would be a three and a half stars out of five. For the total of i how's this movie gonna work in a social setting? Three and a half out of five stars. It's most likely going to do well.
01:33:08
Speaker
okay I actually think watching this with a group and kind of making fun of the first half of the film and then getting sucked in when the shit hits the fan is probably the way to watch it. Yeah, making fun of it and our half paying attention to it at first, you know? And then once, like you said, once it picks up, now we're in it.
01:33:28
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Yeah, yeah i agree you definitely make fun of it Especially like after like how everyone knows Jared paddle lucky from supernatural and then seeing this in comparison everyone would just band together and just like just dumping on him on the character way be like White dude always sticking your nose in the places where you shouldn't be annoying butthole being a dick but ah i'm sure everyone would unite Yeah, so overall I was actually will go into final thoughts I Like I said, I watched this movie online through reviews, watched this movie as a 15 year old. This movie always like in my head was this thing that someday I would watch. And I did. It was not at all what I expected it to be. But I ended up enjoying it. I really enjoyed this movie. There's
01:34:27
Speaker
Like we've said over and over again, it needs trimmed. There's too much. There is too much in the film, but it's an enjoyable film. I think it's an above average 2000 slasher. I think it takes a lot of those campy elements from the 2000s, like the tech having that pointless video camera stuff. You know, it takes some of that stuff, pointless Paris Hilton strip tease,
01:34:55
Speaker
None of that's necessary. And then it's also trying to make a slightly elevated horror film talking about the parallels between two sets of twins. I think if we could trim all that excess stuff, there's a better film in here. As is, I enjoyed it. Like I said, I will watch this movie again. I might even own it one day, if the deals could. more Put out a combo pack. Yeah.
01:35:23
Speaker
Right. I almost bought it for this one because they had a combo. They had a combo pack of this one and the original, but it was. It was like some Canadian DVD that I was going to buy on eBay for like 45 bucks. And I was like, I don't know. I haven't seen either of them yet. So that won't work on an American DVD player. Right. Damn. I wish I had spent my time looking at the soundtrack.
01:35:50
Speaker
What? You can't watch this, buddy. You didn't pay taxes. But yeah, the soundtrack... Nah. I'm not your friend, guy. I'm not your guy, buddy. Not your guy, buddy. Not your buddy. He doesn't have friends.
01:36:07
Speaker
Oh, Trudeau, you butthole. But, um yeah, soundtrack. I wish I'd looked more at the soundtrack. That's what we're talking about. Fidel Trudeau. Yes, sir.
01:36:19
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It's a soundtrack, though, man. I wish I had paid more attention, because like ah now I'm going to look at it. There's The Prodigy with Juliette Lewis, thoughpe um which is awesome as hell. Stutterfly is pretty good. Blood Simple, Path to Reveal is a great song, pretty tight, fucking rocking jam. And then Dark New Day, man, that was like an offshoot from one of the guys from 7 Dust, I think, or from Tremonti. Taking Me Alive, a great song, man. Enjoy Divisions on there, too, New Dawn Fates.
01:36:46
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like so like I got something caught up in everything else. It's kind of easy to miss some of those other hits within the soundtrack. So if you like some good jams, check out the whole soundtrack. There's so much there. There's so much there. Yeah, the soundtrack is definitely one of the highlights. Oh yeah, big time. Ricky, final thoughts before we finish this out?
01:37:11
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Uh, Hey man, this, this movie was fun. I'm glad I revisited it. Uh, I don't think I can stomach watching it again for a while because two hours is just a long time. Yeah. But kind of like you're saying like, as far as 2000 slashers go, I'd say it's definitely one of the better ones. Um, in my heart, in my heart of hearts,
01:37:41
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Black Christmas 06 reigns supreme for 2000 slashers. I'll put that right there for you. So five days, those of you listening, we're talking that movie in five days. Ricky will not be with us. No, I won't. But but I'll give you my score right now for that movie. It's a fucking 10. So there you go. yeah It's a goddamn 10, boy. Damn. That is night seven. So stay tuned.
01:38:09
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So yeah, this one, this one was I was split I was both pleasantly surprised and annoyed with like an almost equal measure. Yeah.
01:38:21
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Yeah. Yeah. underst Understandably so. Yeah, that yeah that makes perfect sense. I've got a little love for it though, because I love the setting, the atmosphere, the sound design, and the kills. you know It all just looks so good. And like you said, this whole house of wax is melting and burning. And I'm looking ah i'm looking at it, and where's all the wonky CGI? What the fuck? It doesn't make sense, because it looks good.
01:38:50
Speaker
So yeah' I'm in agreement with you. Yeah, man. This is a definitely a, a forgotten underappreciated gym. I completely agree. The, uh, other thing that I thought about, have any of you seen the Kingsman movies from Matthew Vaughn? Yeah. Yeah. Watch all of them. I've seen two. So Kingsman two, the town in this movie reminded me of that town and Kingsman two.
01:39:20
Speaker
where she like makes meat burgers out of her henchmen. It just very much similar setting. I was like, ah, this reminds me of Kingpin too. Came out 10 years after this, but definitely Kingpin. This little would be down the middle of the woods with some creepy shit going on. I love the Kingsman movies. I know people hate on the second one. I love the second one. Whatever. It's a great film franchise. There's just fun. There's just fun. Yeah. Matthew Vaughn knows how to shoot an action scene. That's... Yeah.
01:39:56
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He's stellar.
Excitement for Future Discussions
01:39:57
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All right, so that's it for night two of 13 Nights of Halloween. We talked House of Wax 2005. Couple of days, not good at math, so I'm not gonna tell you how many. It'll be night eight. We are talking the original. Couple of days away, we are talking The original film starring Vincent Price from 1953. Again, I haven't seen that one. I didn't see this one. This is all new territory for me. Same. So I'm excited to get into that one. Play some bets right now. It's not going to be a slasher. yeah Guarantee. 1953 will not be a slasher.
01:40:43
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It is the movie that kickstarted Vincent Price's career into horror. oh It's been inducted into the Hall of Fame for its significance. So I'm very excited to get into this. Like I said, it'll be night eight.
01:41:01
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I can't wait. This one took us by surprise. I think all of us enjoyed it probably a little more than we expected, and we agree. Yeah, definitely. Oh yeah, I've enjoyed it since the first time I saw it. It's just been a while. Yeah, so it was definitely better than I expected it to be. I expected it to be more like, if I'm honest, Haunting of Hill House, don't care for that film, and I expected this one to be more like it. You mean House on Haunted Hill? Yeah, that's the one, House on Haunted Hill. oh I expected it to be.
01:41:33
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I expected it to be more like House on a Haunted Hill remake, again, remake of a Vincent Price film. I expected it to be more like that one, and it wasn't. I enjoyed this one. It's it wasn't it's no 13 ghosts either, bud. Yeah. yeah so Tune in tomorrow for night three of 13 Nights of Halloween as we continue our journey towards Halloween with 13 horror movies, 13 nights in a row. Tomorrow we're bringing you Suspiria, the remake from Amazon. So again, it's another one that I have not seen. So i'm looking forward to that one.
01:42:10
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and Ricky thank you for joining us as always yeah rick thanks for having me and I'm a big price head so I
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