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13NoH S2N8: House of Wax 1953 W/ Ricky from The Night Club Podcast
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Night 8 of 13 Nights of Halloween: House of Wax (1953) Tonight, we’re stepping back in time for a true horror classic—*House of Wax* (1953). Join us as we delve into this eerie masterpiece with the legendary Vincent Price bringing the chills and thrills in a performance that’s nothing short of iconic. We’re joined by Ricky from @thenightclubpodcast to break down all the spine-tingling moments, the incredible craftsmanship, and why this film remains a staple in the horror genre. Make your movie night even more memorable with our vintage cocktail pairing recipe, available now on our Instagram! 🍸 And don’t miss out on the conversation—head over to Zencastr with our promo link for 30% off and dive into the world of *House of Wax*: [https://zencastr.com/?via=theaverage](https://zencastr.com/?via=theaverage) This is one episode you don’t want to miss—Vincent Price awaits… #13NightsOfHalloween #HouseOfWax1953 #HorrorMovies #VincentPrice #RemakesVsOriginals #TheNightClubPodcast #Podcast #HalloweenCountdown #HorrorCommunity #CocktailPairing #FilmReviews #ZencastrPromo #SeasonFinale
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Introduction to 13 Nights of Halloween Series
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This is This is Jonathan. Welcome to The Average.
Horror Remakes vs Originals: The House of Wax 1953
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Welcome to the night eight of our spine-chilling 13 Nights of Halloween series, where we pit horror movie remakes against their original counterparts in a battle for ultimate fright supremacy. Tonight, we're drinking closer to Halloween. And tonight, we're taking a step back in time to experience the classic horror that started it all. Tonight, we're featuring the 1953 version of The House of Wax, starring the legendary Vincent Price.
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For a classic horror film like this, a sophisticated an eerie cocktail pairing is in order. Introducing the Wicked Wax Martini, a drink that embodies the elegance and macabre essence of the film. Head over to our social media page to grab the recipe. But don't stop there. We want you to be a part of the Fright Fest. Watch along with us and share your thoughts and reviews. We have a handy little link in our Instagram bio where you can submit your scores the exact same way we do. Whether you're a fan of the originals or prefer the remakes, your opinion matters.
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We'll be tallying up the scores, tagging everybody who submits a review and provides valid tag to see how these head-to-head scores play out.
Ricky's Horror Expertise
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When Halloween rolls past and we're stuck in the great days of despair until next Halloween, we'll post the winners, original or remake. We're thrilled to be joined again once again by Ricky from the nightclub podcast who will lend his horror expertise and passion for the genre to our discussion.
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Hey, glad to be here. I'm feeling quite flammable this evening. Sweet. Excellent. but Get ready to be transported to the golden age of horror cinema as we unravel the eerie charm and timeless terror of this iconic film. So dim the lights, settle in, and prepare to explore the macabre magic of the House of Wax.
First Impressions of The House of Wax 1953
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Crushed it. Croached it, bro. Yeah, so good.
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All right, it's been a couple of days. We were night two, now we're night eight. So my math is correct. We haven't seen you for six days. So ready to dive into this original. Let's do it. Are we all first time viewers of this original? Yes, I've never seen it before. Yeah, I had an either. So it's one that I'd known about because I grew up on Vincent Price, but it,
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somehow escaped my viewing when I was younger. so I just haven't seen a lot of old horror, especially Vincent Price, which is something I've been meaning to remedy for a long time. like I've got i've got like DVD collections of Price movies that I just yeah haven't popped in and watched, but ah yeah, yeah this was this was a pleasant surprise.
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Yeah, I've never done out like a a real deep dive on Vincent Price, but I do love him. like Thanks to my mom, always playing a lot of his stuff growing up and like having that on the TV, man, that was super impactful for like how I understand like film, yeah especially from a young age. so it was It was my mom too. She introduced me to Price growing up, but I think he's kind of the gateway for a lot of people into horror itself.
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He is kind of... Yeah, for sure. And he was very versatile. Wasn't he in the original Batman series? As Egghead? I want to say. I don't know. The animated Batman series? No, no. The one with Adam West.
Vincent Price's Impact on Horror
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Oh, he was! He was Egghead, right? He was Egghead. Yeah. Yeah. So I remember him from that, but...
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like aside from this and is it the old scissor is it the old dark house or is it house on haunted hill? house on house on a hundredunted hill Aside from like house on haunted hill and maybe a a very few others that just I'm just, I don't have seen a lot of price. So this was exciting. I've been meaning to jump into some more price. almost people Also some more hammer horror I've been wanting to dive into, but just never got around to it. But here we go. So most people, like you mentioned, you might know him from Batman 66. I think one of his last film roles was Edward Scissorhands, where he played the scientist.
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I haven't seen that in so long. I could not tell you. I could not tell you. One of my favorite films growing up for sure. He played the scientist who made Ed. So all I remember about that movie is my boy cutting shrubbery and then like later on maybe he's mad or something and he's fucking it up. Like that's all I remember.
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Yeah, it's a great film, it's a great film. I've been needing to dive into that too. So let's break let's break this down tonight. We can discuss the 2005 remake.
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and this one comparing and contrasting what we liked, where things came
Plot Breakdown of The House of Wax
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from. So both movies are on the table tonight, but we're reviewing the 53. So Jonathan, you got that plot breakdown for us? Yeah. So in this 1953 classic directed by Andre de Toth, Vincent Price delivers like a super captivating performance as Professor Henry Jared, a talented wax sculptor.
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who becomes vengeful after his business partner betrays him and burns down their wax museum. ah The cast includes Phyllis Kirk as Sue Allen, Carolyn Jones as Kathy Gray, ah Frank Lovejoy as Detective Tom Brennan, and dude, I didn't even realize this towards the end, but Charles Bronson um as Igor, the deaf mute. um Super cool. What? I didn't even. I know you didn't You wouldn't notice it without the mustache, really. It's crazy.
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But ah the plot centers on Jarrah's descent into madness and his sister planned to rebuild his wax museum using real human bodies coated in wax. um As the new wax figures draw crowds, Sue becomes suspicious about the uncanny resemblance between the sculptures and missing people in the area. She teams up with Detective Brennan to uncover the horrifying truth between Jarrah's masterpieces.
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So the House of Wax also holds a special place in horror history as one of the first 3D films. And it's also like a pivotal moment for Vincent Price's illustrious career, establishing him as a master of horror. Its cultural significance is marked by its innovative use of 3D technology and its lasting influence on the horror genre, setting the stage for future films that bled artistry with terror. So, yeah, let's go in. Let's delve into this dark, waxy world of this 1953 masterpiece and see how it stays at the test of time against its modern remake.
Uniqueness of The House of Wax Story
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Stewie. All right. So we're going to jump in to Story Plot. um Rick, why don't you you start us off, man? As our guest. What's up? what's your What do you think? Let's see. Let me go look at the card. um So Story Plot. How unique, compelling, and original is the story you just watched. ah I gave it a three.
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I gave it a three. I was, I kind of knew what was going to happen. Like just through osmosis of hearing about this movie all my life, but never watching it. This was the negative of seeing the remake first also. Yeah. yes So that, um, so I already kind of knew what was going to happen.
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um That being said, there were there were some pleasant surprises with this, and I don't know if it if it fits in with the story plot at the moment.
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I'm going to say no, I'm going to say it doesn't fit in with the story or plot at the moment, but this was more than serviceable. It was a fun watch throughout. Um, nothing negative, like overly negative about it. So, yeah so I'll go ahead. and I also agree. I gave it a three and I feel like I'm being critical here.
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But I thought I borrowed a lot from other stories to create this. And this is actually a remake of another movie. Yeah. So this is a remake of the mystery of the House of Wax from the 30s, I believe. Yeah. 37 or something like which i yeah I just found out today while I was doing research.
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yeah with i even last time i was like oh really like oh yeah When I made this list, I had no idea it was from that either. But then I found out this is actually another remake, so we're we're judging this one as the original. We'll just pretend that didn't happen. Yeah, it didn't happen. It's definitely probably... wait It didn't exist. Yeah, it's more well known. It's definitely more influential, I would say. Oh, 100%. But it got this...
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I got this Dr. Jekyll Mr. Hyde feel from this movie. sir yeah and i kind of I thought I was borrowing that idea. There were some things that I didn't really care for in the execution of that that made it feel a little clumsy as far as story goes, but the premise Is by today's standards i'll say it early because i'm thinking about it the whole time by today's standards This is about as scary as a goosebumps episode Sure Sure yeah some This movie is not scary but this movie is dripping with
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Like we said in the intro this movie is macabre this movie is fantastic atmosphere and like gloom and just Great that way but a lot of that has to do with the set design ah fall oh don just gonna talk about that We're gonna get into that um editing and special effects for sure but the the story itself I thought it borrowed from dr. Jekyll mr. Hyde and then kind of created its own thing I Did not like and this could go story. This could go script how Oh
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It's also in character, it goes everywhere. Sure. Where he went crazy, like he had this accident. And then he went crazy. And that's where I think it kind of created that split personality, that Dr. Jekyll, where before he heard the Mr. Hyde. Well, he was he was kind of crazy to begin with, but yeah but he really jumped the shark into like cuckoo banana butt territory. Maybe it revealed that other nature to him. Right. Yeah. This whole time.
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I gave it a three because it is a remake of The Mystery of the House of Wax. And it I thought it borrowed quite a bit, even an imagery from the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde stories and earlier movies that came before it. Right, Phantom of the Opera type of stuff. and ah Yes, Phantom of the Opera stuff as well. Agreed. It's a very familiar story, it was but it was perfectly serviceable is kind of how I felt.
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Yep, it is not giving us a three is not a complaint. It packaged these things up really well into a good story. As far as the original originality, yeah I don't think it's super, super original, but
Character Arcs and Dynamics
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it's good. It's good for there.
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Okay, so yeah, um I gave it a five. That's okay. Before looking into all the details and all that stuff. Because for the time it came out, you know, it it's not a common theme, the wax museum situation, you know, there's not a lot of that, you know, like, the so called original that was made off of maybe like, like maybe like whatever early thirties were some set, yeah, for yeah mystery that however was Mystery of the House Wax. Mystery of the House of Wax. Yeah, so I didn't really know about that, but still, this seemed pretty original for the time to me. um You got this guy who's just, he already seems a little kind of cuckoo over his creations, especially Marie Antoinette. He's got a certain section about it and how he talks to them.
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Forgive me, my dear, for discussing your intimate secrets. Oh, I'm sorry. I lose myself at times. Professor. Which I could understand would be creepy for his business partner. Y'all think he bangs at mannequin? I feel like he bangs at mannequin. Maybe. He might be getting down a little tutti frutti with some wax. I don't know, man. We just declassed this Vincent Price movie. Horribly. but My job here is done. Sweet.
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But yeah, with like but with his old obsession with his wax and then these hopes of having something greater in store for his work and his talent, and then it all being brought down by his greedy shitbag business partner, who's like, no, I don't want to wait three months. I want to do something now. like I want my money. Pay me now, boy. Pay me now, boy. What a wonderful scumbag, man. He's just like the personification He's the personification of, like, one of those old political cartoons where it shows, like, some greedy fat cat politician and, like, everything's just coming to him and someone else is next to him starving to death. I really hear what they say, Jared. Of course.
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A man has to be a little nuts to be a good children. The sooner I'm out of it, the better. You'll be out soon, Matthew. Mr. Wallace returns from Egypt in three months. He'll be ready to talk business then. I heard him. That's no good for me. But surely you don't. I have a chance to buy in on something. It'll pay off in a big way in three months is too late. To strike a match, and the thing is done.
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And he's like... fa salarism Yeah. Yeah, like but I loved his all it takes is a match. And yeah, it didn't matter himself, though, even after, you know, um Henry is supposedly dead. You know, he tries to play it up to his lady to sue like he's some or to Kathy. Like, yes, somehow he cared so much about it was blah, blah, blah. It was a dirt bag. Immediately. I'm like, oh God, I hate this. We have to try to play on that for his own
Proto-Slasher Elements in The House of Wax
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charms. Also her giggling.
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Drove me fucking crazy days. Oh, dude. Yeah that that was pretty rough, but you get past it yeah About the 40-minute mark yeah, yeah, I'd say so But yeah, you got a whole bunch of stuff going on. You got some death happens. Oh my God, my roommate. I'm behind on my rent. Now, conveniently, I get to stay with this dude, Scott, and his mom. You know, I'm trying to recover from my trauma. But yeah, they're, oh no, creepy guy coming after me in my room is going to like take me out. And a dude just snatching bodies. You know, it's it's kind of seems like kind of a unique kind of story set.
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It's almost slasherish too, I felt like. like Not in the gory sense, but just the way these characters are picked off one at a time. And yeah you get this is wing its it's variation right then you get the sweet yeah reveal of what he did with them. It's sort of proto-slasherish, which I did appreciate.
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No, I'm glad you brought that up because I definitely felt that watching this. Like it's not a slasher, but the way he picks off people one by one, we're not always told how he did it. Like the girl he picks off was poisoned. But we don't know who she went on the date with that poisoned her. Yeah, so but could have been. Yes, I think it was our boy.
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It could have been our boy. It could have been one of his sidekicks that was in on it as well. It could have been one of them. You're not going to tell Charles Bronson, no, even if he can't hear you or talk to you either the way, you're in. yeah never couldn't admit him yeah So we had Charles Bronson and then Javier Bardem just a couple of years too early. Right. but but then ah she's taken out for the killer satisfaction. So we also have that killer that's super popular in the 80s to have your slasher villain be some kind of deformed outcast from society.
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Exactly. The burning. you know Yeah, the burning. Classic example. Same same same thing, basically. you know yeah i mean Set on fire, scarred, comes back for revenge. So there were a lot of those things that I picked up on this that I was like, man,
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Is this the first proto slasher 1953, but some people, yeah, I wouldn't call it that, but i would definitely but it's it's got a little, a little something. Yeah. But the way you see him kill Maddie though, like you don't really never, you don't I don't think for the time you usually see people getting hung straight up like that in the film.
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Especially within the confines of your apartment building. What a way to build some terror on people who live in like boarding houses and such and all these business buildings, you know. How much a good scene. Best kill of the film too. Best kill of the show. That was so bad. It's a very satisfying one. It's very satisfying. Fun. Fun. Because that guy was such a shitbag.
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So there was a lot going on there that I thought was pretty unique for the time. So that's why I hit my five, man. You know a failure you you do you that. man that's fair All right. So the character, we kind of dove into it a little bit as we were going here and I brought it up. So I'm going to go ahead and start, but I really enjoyed actually how at the beginning of the movie he's a little kooky he talks he talks to his wax figures oh yeah he does he hears more than that he hears his wax figures i don't think that's all he's doing with them but i'm just saying it's more than just talking to them they apparently talked to him
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But he says multiple times like he doesn't want to get into the macabre stuff. He doesn't want the creepy stuff. He is in it for the art form. He doesn't want to make money. He is an artist. Right. And I love that. And then at the end, he's like, you know what? Full in like I'm doing the macabre stuff. Right. The only thing is I never got the impression that he was doing it for money. Oh, I got.
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I got more of the idea that he was doing it to get revenge on his business partner. Yeah. And ah and and whoever else he could enact vengeance on for just for being society, I guess. Yeah. Connections with her. I think like the missing DA guy. I think like they say was a DA maybe like somebody went missing already. Yes, they do John was booth because he admits the murder blows Right, you know, yeah, so he's he's he's picking he's looking in like what was his name? Gilbert or so like that like this looks like just like Wilbur if you took the mustache off him and actually Jonathan that just made me think
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He picked off the DA associated with his insurance case. That's what I was going to say. That was the point I was going to make, and I totally get off. Sorry. But yeah, exactly. My language is first. The genius man. He's a shitback gold digger.
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the chief of police too, he picked off because they mentioned, they mentioned that he, that the, uh, the Neanderthal at such and such exhibit looks just like the, so, you know, like, I thought that was fun. The way they were connecting the dots. So like everyone in this wax museum looks like someone around here, you know, yeah I'm those are subtle, subtle, subtle details that you really gotta be paying attention to, but it makes it, I love it, and that makes my score. That makes my score. That makes my score later, I'm definitely sticking to it, I debate it generally, I'm sticking
Character Arcs and Performances
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to it. I might come up, the more I'm talking about this, I might go from a three to a four. I'm already feeling that as we talk, but the arc of this film of watching him
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I wish it was more of a gradual thing, but we go from seeing him at his pure estate to going to see him insane. Directly, yeah. Yes, it is it is a cut scene. That is it, and we jump forward in time, and then we're there. And this movie jumps forward in time a couple times, but it's not really...
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a drawn out arc, it's here's how he started, here's where he ended up. And I'm kind of okay with that because it shows everything in between that we needed to know to get there. The only, there's not really many arcs for the others. I do think, ah who is our main girl? Oh, that would be Sue. Yeah, Sue.
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Sue. So nobody, nobody wants to fucking listen to Sue, bro. Like, this did suck no would give her a fucking chance. And like, this is danny tip the one detective kind of. This is like a movie of its time. And I understand that, that like, you can't just, you know, back then you couldn't just take everything women said. She's a woman. They're going to tell her she's crazy. Right. They're not going to take her seriously because she's hysterical. Yeah. They get big ga sli the fuck out of that woman, the whole movie.
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It's just that one that knew what was going on the worst way. One of the police officers at that point goes, leave it to a skirt. Leave it to a skirt. This brother here. That dude is like bad, timingly inappropriate jokes and shit. That guy, he was a hell of a character, dude.
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It's one of those things that it's terrible and hilarious at the same time. At the same time. I mean, me and my wife were laughing. We were enjoying that. It did not age well of that part of me. It's hard to watch that now.
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without viewing it as comedy. I watched it and I was like, is that written as a joke? Because it plays off hilarious right now. A lot of the interactions between her and just men in general came off as very comedic. Oh dude, Scott, he was like, like, God, that dude, he was just getting shit out of her too, man. Just trying to play downplay her fears and shit. Also her and the other chick, the, uh, what was her her character's name? Morticia.
00:24:06
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Oh, yeah, Kathy, Kathy, her and Kathy's interaction drove me crazy, too, because that's what I was going to bring up. That's what I was going to bring up because we start the movie with Kathy just putting her down put her Put in her pants. This woman is hill get dressed with all your crazy clothes. Yeah. And you're telling her she's not pretty. She's prettier than you, first of all. And second of all, like she's literally tying your shoes for you, bitch. Yes. What the fuck?
00:24:36
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Meanwhile, she's talking about how she's made it in society and then pay attention to her and whatever. She lives in a boarding house. OK. She's straight up straight. That's at one point like you would never understand Kathy. And I'm like, this bitch.
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But then her house ratchet classy straight. That's that's that's her. but So then I do like that Kathy kind of gets that redemption.
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So this whole time she's being put down. She started as like that first scene of her helping her get dressed. Right. I'm like, is this just a handmade? Like I didn't realize she was going to become important. Same. you know Same. Right. And then she becomes the focus of the movie. She becomes his Marie Antoinette. Right.
00:25:27
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He can't go on without her. So session yeah, she gets that redemptive arc of nobody's listening to her. Nobody's listening to her. So she has to go out and do it herself and prove them wrong. And I,
00:25:42
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i I kind of like that. So I do too. mean Even though she still ends up being the typical, and I mean, it's a movie of the times, but the damsel in distress at the end that just needs some big strong man to come save her. But even though she does, I agree, she does have a very a very clear and satisfying arc because finally she knows at least that she's right.
Film's Setting and Gender Roles
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She doesn't have to listen to all these other folks, you know, it's like I told you sons of bitches how you know. Now listen, he's trying to pour wax on me. You better give me that fucking coat cover my I'm here out in the breeze just about going to get covered in. Yeah, no.
00:26:25
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ye no The other thing that is crazy, and I wondered if this is where we've mentioned kind of the sexism, blatant sexism in the script, is that this is supposed to take place in the late 19th century.
00:26:40
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Right. And that's another thing I wanted to bring up is the fucking time period, the period piece of it. I found just, I love that time period. I kind of wondered about that because of certain elements, which is no more into slice and the gas slides for the indicator doesn't bring it up in the editing special effects. Yeah. That just seemed very impractical and very dangerous. Like why the hell is that there? Yeah. So I,
00:27:03
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I got curious about the way they treat women in this. I wonder if it was intended as humor, because this is 53, we're a little, we're more progressive than 1800 something. Sure, sure. And so I wondered if the phrase is like, leave it to a skirt or poking at the way women might've been treated back then and meant to be. I was i was questioning that myself. i was smiling But i'm lean I'm leaning towards maybe not. That's where I was leaning. It seems like it wasn't meant to be a joke, but maybe that's just me not being from the time period also, you know? Well, anyways, with those two stories going on, I gave the character a four. I thought it was a pretty good arc for both of them, for both Kathy and Jared. I thought they were good.
00:27:58
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I did think while we're talking about characters, naming the crazy twin in the remake after Vincent Price, yeah yeah don't tell me that that was not an accident, right named it after Vincent Price. The crazy twin, they kind of split the twins in the remake.
00:28:16
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from Jared's character in this we have the scarred one e and then we have his public facing side and it's turned into the twins in the remake but I yeah I definitely caught the character name another the killer in the remake is named Vincent The ah killer in this one is named Jared, and the mystery of House of Wax does not have any carry over into this film, as far as names go, that i that I could see. So I gave it a four on character. I'm going to a four. The more I talk about them, the more I'm
00:29:01
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reminiscing and enjoying the characters and what what they added to the film. Also, I want to say the the because I saw it coming a mile away, but I bet 53 people didn't. The fact that Price was in a chair after the accident, I bet, well, it can't be, yeah, bitch, of course it's him. That chair's a fake out.
00:29:24
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And I'm sure I'm sure a lot of people didn't see it coming. So I bet I bet this movie was fucked up back then, dude. Could you imagine the audible gasps? Could you imagine the audible? Right. Right. Yeah. That window when the homie gets hung from the from the window. Yeah. Yeah, man. Well, not window from the elevator. Yeah.
00:29:45
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The other one that, so you mentioned the bait and switch with the wheelchair, I also thought so many times in this film that his Igor looked like he was wearing a, Charles Bronson, looked like he was wearing a wax face.
00:30:07
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Hm. Multiple times. Yeah, whatever makeup they did made him have like deep lines and color. like yeah well It was kind of weird. Then they draw the attention to he can only make his own face. Right. Maybe he touches his face a lot and he's got wax on his hands. Maybe that's why he does that and does the same thing. I thought it was...
00:30:27
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subtle misdirection to think that, okay, our buddy Jared's in a chair. He's having Igor go out and do the killing. Igor is the scarred one for some reason. I thought it was just another misdirection, the way they made him look super waxy. They didn't go into it a ton, but I was like, his face looks fake. Vincent doesn't.
00:30:52
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Well, for me, I was, I was at a four. I was at a four the whole time. And like, I liked each character, how they portrayed themselves, you know, even, uh, the, the other assistant, the guy who was the alcoholic, like the way the detectives played on his, his need for alcohol yeah shakes in his just addiction.
00:31:10
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the one that was has hard Yeah, he does. so yeah Man, but that was like crazy. But like even small side character like that, you know, they're talking about this guy from Sing Sing and he used to paint this stuff on walls. You know, there's a certain sets of depth, you know, for certain characters in there with like minor backstory. You don't get much, but like you still get some understanding of like their situation, how they ended up where they are since they're in part of that criminal element already. That's how they kind of get involved with him, with ah Jared somehow, Henry Jared.
00:31:40
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um Yeah, i I just thought it was pretty cool, man. But I would like to say though, back to Kathy, even though she was kind of an a butthole to Sue, like is she had that redee that redeeming factor because she cared enough about Sue to be like, here, take this, here's some money, pay some of your rent, you know do whatever, or go buy yourself a meal. And she would just buy yourself some food, that's that way you could at least eat, then if you need to, maybe later I can give you some money for rent you know to help you out. you know she She cares enough about her, but she just like she's that bitch friend.
00:32:08
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You know, I just realized that I switched their names and I was talking about Kathy when I meant to be talking about Sue. So go back, re-listen to the last 10 minutes and I meant Sue. I meant Sue. but I knew what you meant anyway. It's all good. Yeah. I'm terrible with names in person, movies, books, all of it. I'm terrible with names. It doesn't take away from my enjoyment. It just means I'm probably going to mess it up.
00:32:36
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Alright, so we were fours across the board on character. ice Okay.
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I want you to have the same easy experiences I do for all of my podcasting and content needs. It's time to share your story. So let's dive in to the next category. So the music and sound design, my God, do I miss when music was like this in films. Agreed. So I did not, I did not give it a five. I did not give it a five. There's not an identifiable theme that you could play today that people would go, Oh, that's House of Wax 1953. Sure. You know, you play the psycho theme today. People know most people would either recognize it or tell you what it was from. So it's not a five for me, but this music is first of all, almost nonstop.
00:35:06
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The entire film. And it's beautiful. It's so good. It is fantastic music. Old school composing. Yes, old school composing. Old school orchestra.
00:35:46
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It rises and falls with the points of the movie. It makes sense with the moments in the movie. I loved the special attention in when we're first getting the tour. Okay. This is one of the flaws of the movie. We tour the House of Wax in the first 10 minutes and then it burns down. I'm And then we tour the new one sorry. I'm later. sorry.
00:36:09
Speaker
at like 40 minutes. right and yeah So we get to touring the House of Wax scenes, but it does compare. One is like moments in history and the other one is like murders and stuff. Blend of, yeah. Blend of. And then this in the first one, when they talk about John Wilkes Booth and Abraham Lincoln, they play a classic American song mixed in with the composition. Did they? Yeah. I'm going to go. Okay. It's battle him with the Republic. Oh, shit. Battle him with the Republic. Yeah. They played battle him with the Republic when he's talking about Abraham Lincoln's assassination. Oh yeah. It did sound kind of patriotic. Had a picture. I can tell where that was going on. Okay. I caught that. I was like, that was real clever. I i appreciate that. So I was a fan of that.
00:37:02
Speaker
So I were not allowed to listen to that song in Louisiana, bro. No, I'm playing. You actually muted the movie during that scene. This ain't right. He brought up Abraham Lincoln. Didn't want the president to come find me. So i mean I noticed that, and I was like, damn, this is, I like it.
00:37:29
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It's just we don't get music that grand. Exactly. Anymore. Right. It's grand. It's probably over the top at times, but yeah it's undeniably. It's over the top. I agree. But it's it's it's still it's still effective no matter what.
00:37:49
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Yeah, like great stuff. Like it it makes it makes me and this is probably a horrible comparison. No, you know what? Fuck that. It's not. It it makes me think of like the orchestral music in Star Wars, you know, lukes looking at the different suns setting in the sky and that fucking music swells and it's all and it's just epic and beautiful. Like, yeah, I agree. Like, where the fuck did this go?
00:38:19
Speaker
you know like this This music is amazing. We're now into like dystopian soundscapes versus composed music. We're in a cyberrunner age of digital everything. Which which which i dig it I dig it too, but like I i just still miss this though. like yes Why can't we have some of this too?
00:38:42
Speaker
There is something just beautiful about it. And the thing is, we are coming at it now just talking about like, modern music. At the time, a lot of movies had soundtracks that sounded like this, just grand orchestration. But I think it was a time period. In the 50s, we were moving out of the studios producing a movie a week, which was a big deal in the 30s, the 40s, pump them out quick. That's why they were an hour, hour and 10 minutes. The 50s and 60s, we started moving into more artistic films.
00:39:20
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A little more excessive. Yeah, and a little more experimentation. And I think this movie carries a lot of that early stuff with it, that ah experimentation and really trying to elevate the art to it.
00:39:35
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So, I gave the music a four. Four? I did also. Yeah. did do For the same reason tim that Tim did, because I was like, this isn't recognizable enough for me to like, be able to pick up on it and be like, oh, fuck, that's also wax 1957, you know, or whatever. But it was impactful enough watching the movie that I was like, fuck yeah, the score. So four out of five.
00:40:04
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I'm hitting threes on it, man. like it was it was i it was It was very good ambient sound as far as the soundtrack and backing music with the score and everything. ah Nothing really stood out. but it you know I was just immersed. I was immersed. The music did help immerse me. So, well, you know what? Maybe ah on yeah male I'll chase to a four. I'll change don okay all right yeah ah chase to four. did The music did set a good tone. And the way you guys talked about it, I'm convinced I'll go a four. So Ricky, you brought up the sets earlier. Yeah.
00:40:37
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And that's one. So diving into editing and special effects, I'm putting the sets and set design into this special department.
Makeup and Set Design Appreciation
00:40:47
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We can mention the special effects of Vincent Price's makeup. Oh, yeah. Fantastic. the I'm second guessing my score right now.
00:40:58
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Like I did not know it was him. Honestly, I looked it up to see if somebody else played that part because he was disguised so well. Right. So well. So that part was great. But then the sets on this film look so good. Can you tell they are sets?
00:41:20
Speaker
Yes. Yes. there's Very clearly, they're studio sets with yeah with the the sprinkler rain and the opening credits. They're fucking huge. Very much a stage. It's a stage town set. Yes. But they're huge as fuck and they're so well done. Very big. Yes. And they're very beautiful. It's really high. Yes. So you do get that kind of claustrophobia of a stage set, but I loved I don't know if it was the time period or this movie, but I felt like we were in the midst of turning a play into a film. a So there are many times we have these gorgeous sets that you can tell our sets, but we're immersed in this story and it's being brought to our screen. And this was the first experimentation with 3D on film, which I want to know how some of this looked.
00:42:15
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Right. In 3D, especially in 1953. Yes. Oh, I'm sorry. I just, a minute when you say that though, you got excited. Yes. So the Barker. Yes. The freaking Barker. That's the scene that came to my mind when I was like, Oh yeah, 3D. That's right. He said no purpose.
00:42:35
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Dude, no, fourth wall break. He did a fourth wall break. 1953, they're doing a fourth wall break with the 3D action, when the Barker's popping up the paddle ball, and he's aiming at somebody in the audience, and he's talking to the audience. If you're in the theater, he's talking to the audience, and it's somebody who's got popcorn in their hand, wearing those 3D glasses, and they're losing their shit. Like, oh my God, that ball about hit me in the face, but no, not really. And he's talking to, oh, I'm not trying to hit you, I'm trying to hit your popcorn.
00:43:05
Speaker
like i did sit in 3d and do that i was like dude that's so awesome well and awesome is that not the first shot after our 10-minute intermission i think so do they you see that intermission scene because yeah back then in the theaters is a bit different they did intermissions bring back intermissions because i got a p
00:43:33
Speaker
Hell yeah. Some people joined a lot of tea at work all day, you know. kind I was kind of bummed out that the intermission was so short on the version. I i was like, fuck. I said 10 minute intermission. I'm like, sweet. I'm going to get a refill. i'll be in And then it went away. By the time I got off my chair, it was over. I had to sit back down. But I thought that was incredible to do that fourth wall break at a time like that when they were just coming out with like the 3D film stuff. That was so cool. OK, it was super cool.
00:44:03
Speaker
as a fourth wall break, I was also blown away by that guy's talent. He was good. yeah Yeah, that guy was a G with the with those ping pong popping all those balls in his mouth. Yeah, very talented, bro. very That guy was a G. Yeah, straight up old school paddling it. He like him some paddle. I give it a four because I was I was thoroughly impressed with the set design with the effects.
00:44:32
Speaker
And I thought, I thought that like, even though like it's dated, but this the part where she's hitting him and like his wax face has fallen off and like all of that just looks so cool.
00:44:51
Speaker
It looks so good effect. Yeah, it was all it was all just so good. And I can't imagine how fucked up it must have been in in the fifties. Yes. So taking all that into account. I'm thinking I'm thinking I might put I might give it a five. I might go up to a five on on effects because I was I was taken aback by how good they were.
00:45:19
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Did I give my score? you I'm not sure if you did. I don't think I did. I gave it a five, because between the sets, um how good his face makeup looked, and that breaking scene is nearly... Put stars around that. It's nearly seamless. like They did it so well. They did. It was very well executed, and it took I was taken aback by it. Yup. Agreed. I was a five. Yeah.
00:45:50
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Wow. Okay. Yeah. ah You know, I went with the four, you know, when I first immediately saw how much I could tell that it was a staged studio set, I was like, man, I could tell. I mean, maybe they couldn't have told me when to recognize that at the time. Well, we know now they'd be a little over critical, but.
00:46:07
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I was like, yeah, that's Cleary Studio
Realistic Fire Effects and Visuals
00:46:09
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set. They've got the sprinklers on to simulate the rain. But the depth, but with a lot of those shots though, the depth that they had in some of those scenes, I thought was pretty cool. oh yeah for A lot of the way- Oh yeah, for like the chase scenes, man. yeah like that Exactly, the chase scenes. The way they're going through so many different places. It seems like they're in a really large place, a very large city place.
00:46:32
Speaker
And maybe they're just cutting around a few small scenes and turns that are all built in the same little area. But it's still for all I have to do that and catch all those shots. That seemed like it worked out really well. And that was a really big strength to it. So that was pretty cool.
00:46:46
Speaker
button All of those are wax figures you see and the way they mess around with that and that whole theme. When the first museum burns down, getting to see how all the wax melts and everything, the controlled fire, the way they spread it around. And the image right here was really good. So good.
00:47:09
Speaker
like like I could see like as a kid I might have that might have scared me just yeah watching some of these fall off of these wax figures and of the one where the eyeball popped out of the figure I was like this is this is intense for 53 right you Jonathan you brought up that fire Real fire. Real fire. Looks so good. Yes, it does. There's a crisis running around through fucking fire all over the stage. Right. Yes. And you're like, oh shit, that's, I'm like, that's kind of dangerous, bro. I don't think they had the same kind of safety standards then like we do now. I didn't even think. That's a risky business. and like If you got it, at least you can run off set real quick, but there was so much of it going on through that whole thing. like
00:47:50
Speaker
I was like, damn, they really, they had a, they must've controlled that really well, really planted that out so that it would swallow well. I didn't even think, I didn't even think to include that at the special effects, but yeah, man, you're right. Realized fire. How's that for special effects? That looks so good. They're throwing pieces of clothing that are on fire across the room. They're like, it looked amazing because it was real, but also,
00:48:21
Speaker
ah The wax figures themselves look better than the wax figures from 2005. Yeah, they do. Yeah, they absolutely. Yes, I would definitely agree with that for yeah sure. They look more realistic. Now, the melting, 2005 has that awesome, like, revealing skeletons underneath and revealing. Like, that was awesome. This, we see the melting before he's been putting bodies in him. Yeah. and it Still looks really freaking good. It looks so good. It was awesome. Yeah. So Jonathan, were you sticking with your fort?
00:48:59
Speaker
Yeah, I'm still sticking with my floor. I was going to say something else and I kind of lost track for a second there. But no, like um the cutting between like the whole fight scene when the museum is burning down, the transitions back and forth, even though it seems like Vincent Price and Maddie are having like a a moderate, but crazy ah gentleman's tussle. You know, there's like,
00:49:23
Speaker
wo la i always Very impressed with the fight choreography. i'm not worked out Well, they seemed like it You can tell it's kind of a fakey thing, but they're still playing it out as realistically in a safe way. They're still doing it, you know? They're not hardcore like they are today, but between all the transitions back and forth between all that and messing back and forth, I thought they worked out pretty well. It flowed well. The fight scenes, and again, along with the chase scenes,
00:49:54
Speaker
They flowed really well, which is but the thing that they caught me though, was the way that they like, when you see the start of the film and you see those gas lights, yes it's like kind of a foreshadowing like, man, hey.
00:50:07
Speaker
that's That's dangerous, dude. That's dangerous. And it totally plays into the story and how that goes. And not just because of Maddie and lighting the matches and trying to light the figure's clothes on fire, but how he goes up and blows out a couple of the different flame lights. My stepdaughter was asking me why he was doing that. And I was like, that's a gas light.
00:50:28
Speaker
yeah He's fitting to make a big boom. he He's turning the place into a bomb. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. And I was like, that thought that was pretty awesome for the special effects. ah But like I said, with some of the set stuff and how you could tell certain parts of it, I mean, it was cool. And like when you see the bust of Sue, when when ah Vincent Price is trying to get her to come and model as a Marie Antoinette,
00:50:53
Speaker
You know, I'm like, this is what we've got. This looks great, but I need you, you know, seeing as the stuff like that and the different figures in the heads, you know, I thought it was pretty cool, but I don't think it's five. I'm a stickable before. Okay. I think that but that one bust that the guy made of just the head looking up and screaming was dope as fuck. I would, I would, that why I would like that on like a shirt or something with like some black metal font or something, you know? Yeah.
00:51:22
Speaker
I can make that happen. Hell yeah.
Poetic Nature of The Script
00:51:24
Speaker
I can make that happen. Screenshot and do some editing, bro. I totally make that happen. That's a dope album. There you go. Boom. House of Wax. I'll put that face on it. Hell yeah. The browsing crazies. Leading into the acting, this This was a short one for me. Oh, did I skip? just until this ski i skip Okay. um I'm going to read you the five earning line from this movie. Once in his lifetime, every artist feels the hand of God and creates something that comes alive. Five.
00:52:13
Speaker
five. That's so and good. I love that line. I love that line. But it's not just that this movie is filled with great lines like that.
00:52:29
Speaker
Like, and most of the great lines come from Vincent Price's character, Jared. I'm afraid that the visit of a such distinguished critic may cause my children to become conceited, speaking about his wax figures. To you, they are wax, but to me, their creator, they live and breathe. We don't write like this anymore. He's so extra, man. Yeah, there's a lot more eloquence. But yeah, there's that eloquence, that extra, that oomph.
00:52:59
Speaker
And it didn't it it didn't reach me. but did all But hearing you say it, I'm like, damn, yeah, those are some good ass lines. I meant to write those lines down, too, because I wanted to highlight that. But I was like, no, I just kind of watch. I'm just going to watch, watch, watch. You know what I'm kidding me? is I was finding. Yeah. There's a lot of politicism in a lot of those lines. Yes, dialogue, man.
00:53:25
Speaker
Another line, everything I ever loved has been taken away from me, but not you, my Marie Antoinette, for I will give you eternal life. And that's like, when he's ready to kill her and turn her into wax, like, right God, it's so good. It is so good. Like, I had to put some of my issues with the script into the story.
00:53:51
Speaker
because like I said, we jumped to him going crazy. It's not a slow burn. It's some of the other stuff. I put it with the fact that it's a bit between a stage play and a movie. And so it carries some of those stage play tendencies in its script, either the melodrama, which is, I'd put that in the acting,
00:54:17
Speaker
But there's such poeticism to so many of these lines. In a movie that is like, it's a horror movie. It was marketed as a shock movie. Like, this will shock you. It wasn't marketed as the best picture of the year.
00:54:36
Speaker
you know, but a horror movie to contain that kind of poeticism. And even we talked about like some of those sexist lines that could be interpreted as being commentaries on the time period. Sure. Yeah. you know They could just be purely sexist lines. Right. A modern commentary on that time period. Yeah, exactly.
00:55:07
Speaker
Yes, but man, another one when he's about to turn her into the wax figure, like he knows he's not making it out of that final arrangement.
00:55:19
Speaker
So he's rushing hard. Yeah. Cause he says we'll find immortality together. They'll remember me through you. Yep. Like he's going to caught that line and loved it. Yeah. It definitely sounds something like a ah a serial killer would, would say. Yeah. Yes, exactly. That's Ted Bundy. That's Ted Bundy. When they asked him what it's like to kill someone and he said, um,
00:55:47
Speaker
that when you're there in the moment, as you're watching the life leave someone's eyes, he says, in that moment, you are God. You know, like, incredible, like poetic.
00:56:02
Speaker
and scary as fuck. And there's, there's that scene. Was it murder or suicide? Only time will tell. And then he misquotes Shakespeare with foul deeds will rise though. All the world overwhelmed them to men's eyes. Like, yeah.
00:56:23
Speaker
God, this script is like... Fuck, you're selling me on the script, man. I'm going up to four. I'm going to put my issues... What is missing from the script is part of the story's problem for me right now because the story is so, or the script is so damn good that I wish, honestly, I wish there were other things to explain some of those story elements that I'm missing.
00:56:52
Speaker
okay But even the dialogue between the two girls in the bedroom about her being high class and fancy and her being working class is, it explains who they are, their backgrounds, all of that without giving us huge exposition. Just in the way that she speaks to the other girl, yeah we understand who they are. it's We don't write like this anymore. We don't write movies like this. And yeah, ah the acting, the melodrama with which it is performed takes away from it a bit, but the writing is there. When you sit there and you read these lines, you're like, damn, that's good stuff. So that's my five. That's my five.
00:57:41
Speaker
tell me man I'm going through a four. You've convinced me. Yeah. I was in a three because there's so much cheese in there. There's so much cheese in there, bro. Like, Oh my God. Like, but so this is not really cheese, but early in the part where, you know, Henry Jared,
00:58:01
Speaker
is talking to his partner, Matty, and he's like, okay, so this guy, Sidney Wallace, he's gonna come over. He may be interested. And when they show up, he says, when he hears the nogginer, he says, that should be they now. I heard them like. I had like a ah glitch like, wait, what? It's a non-binary knocking on the door.
00:58:27
Speaker
it It didn't sound right to me. I'm like, I keep thinking that should be them now. That should be them now because like some of the they are here. They are here in English and linguistics.
00:58:40
Speaker
Yeah. Did he, is that old English? Did he miss me? Cause that line did stick stick out for me, but I got kicked me in the, like, I got like a poke in the head. Like, what, what, what? I did like some of the old time dialing though here and there that I was like, okay. Okay. 1953 and what they grew up with you like thirties and forties, whatever. I i can't, ah I was over there. I don't know, but I just didn't, Yeah, i did that stood out to me. I was like, oh, and I chalked that up to either them attempting to write like it was 1890 or us not speaking like that at all.
00:59:20
Speaker
Yeah. Cause the whole fact that the movie's made in 53, but maybe alluding to an earlier time didn't really register in my head when I was watching it. I was like, why the hell is there a horse and buggy carton? right a horse drawn fire station Like what is it? wait what that's but wasn't motor engine The fire engine was dope though. it was was And the police horse and buggy was sick.
00:59:45
Speaker
There's the line about i somebody getting hit by an automobile, and then the guy goes, I didn't think they could move that fast. Yes. Yes, that was good. Yeah, the o'clock. The fella got hit by one of them automobiles. I didn't think those things things went fast enough to hurt anybody. Give them time. They're getting better every day. I enjoyed that. Hell yeah. That was a good line. That was a good line.
01:00:10
Speaker
I did not expect the amount of humor this movie had, to be honest. right I thought it was going to be dry. I laughed out loud a couple of times. I did too. That line got me. but yeah but there's also There's also when these wax the new wax museum is opening, the the the two or three young women who who come in to check it out. yes They walk by the one guy, he's looking at his watch. He's like, oh, that looks like a real man. And the guy just looks over and goes, it is. And they're like, oh my gosh. I thought it was kind of funny. and They were corny as fuck, but I did allow us an enjoyment. There was some cheese in there, some straight up Swiss cheese with holes. you know So I gave it a three. But after Tim, what you mentioned about the poeticism of the dialogue,
01:00:58
Speaker
with, it's a price. I'm going to go for, I'm going to go for the man. Price. and the man w four So yeah I put yourself in the movie theater in 1953 and imagine watching this movie.
01:01:17
Speaker
And how welcome the comedic relief of those three girls would be after the intensity of what you've seen. like It'd be like, oh. And the jokes of the detectives when they're investigating, even though how inappropriate they are. There's some relief in a lot of different parts in the movie that kind of lighten it up a little bit. So you kind of you you sit back and like, OK, that's bad. OK, I can enjoy it a little bit more before I get the fright and the terror again. you know theen They are not desensitized like we are now to the amount of violence we see these days. Right. The contrast. The morgue scene when the girl's body pops straight up and he's like, oh, it's the embalming fluid. Hey, what's the matter with this? one You'll get used to that. It's the embalming fluid makes them jump. That's one of the suicides. Just like a woman, they always have to have the last word.
01:02:09
Speaker
When that took me, I was like, ah yeah. But then he says the line. That's that's one of the suicides from earlier. Leave it to abroad to have the last word. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Oh, my gosh. Oh, oh, wow. That's the one I was trying to remember. Yes.
01:02:30
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yeah
01:02:33
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That's got to be where it can't be anything else.
01:02:40
Speaker
It's so good. It's so good.
01:02:46
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So yeah, yep. Okay, we're wherere fives and fours on that script.
Vincent Price's Captivating Performance
01:02:50
Speaker
So into the acting, which is where I want to give Vincent Price a five every time I see him because I love the man. He just exudes. He can either be like this high class person,
01:03:07
Speaker
or just this creepy person that gets under your skin and he's often both at the same time. Right. And his voice is just haunting. Yes, it's yeah so good. But He's also got such a presence. i didn't And I'm sorry to cut you off, but I didn't realize how big of a man he is. I forgot how tall he is. And I didn't realize that hearing him speak so eloquently with that yeah voice and being so imposing on screen at the same time really took me aback a bit. yeah know He's captivating. He is so good.
01:03:50
Speaker
Unfortunately, the rest of the performances in this movie. So here's the thing. Again, I keep saying this is a lot like a stage play brought to screen because I get that melodrama of a stage play. For sure. And I think that's something that was very common in filmmaking in the 40s and the 40s. It's of the time, all. Yeah. Yes, definitely. It is very much of the time.
01:04:17
Speaker
It unfortunately, like I said, damaged some of the great lines that were there is they're just delivered melodramatically. Her fear is so melodramatic throughout the film. Her screams and her shock is melodrama Vincent crawling across the floor in the fire is so melodramatic. It's so, a yep but it's good. So I gave it a four because Vincent is amazing as always, but there's just, everything is weighted with this melodrama of stage play, which has, it's kind of an acquired taste. You either like it and can tolerate it,
01:05:05
Speaker
Or there are many people who can't, it comes off cheesy and corny. So I can understand that side of it because it very much is. There's a reason why like people don't go to Broadway or a stage plays. So I think this was just very much of the time in that it carried the melodrama from a stage to screen.
01:05:31
Speaker
It was fine for this movie. Vincent was captivating. He especially captivated me with his physical performance as that caped, had a figure crawling through the street. He reminded me of the actor and I can't, like when he had the makeup on, sorry to cut you off, he no he looked he looked like the actor that played Voldemort. What's his name?
01:06:00
Speaker
Oh, Jesus. Uh, that's who he, that's who he reminded me of. ral Isn't it Ralph? pianus Fanta's something like that. Maybe. ah I don't know, but I was, I was like digging it. I was like, yeah, this, this guy's got kind of like a, what is it? What's his name?
01:06:25
Speaker
It's Ralphianes, some French names, that you so you only pronounce one of those syllables. Okay. Well, he's got that Ralph thing, but he's dressed kind of like a fucking Spanish Inquisition guy, you know, and and he's creeping around and like, yeah, man, absolutely. And maybe think of the shadow.
01:06:47
Speaker
Okay. The way he's got the brimmed hat. Yes. All black. Reminds me of the shadow. That was an old school figure. It was kind of a thing at the time. Old school radio shows kind of thing. I might have too much Monty Python on the brain all the time, but I kept thinking if this was all red, it would be the Spanish Inquisition. Fair enough. Fair enough. I can see that fitting with the hat being red and the cape being red. I totally get that. I totally get that.
01:07:18
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eyes wide shut re anyways I've never seen that. Well, with me, value your guyss i I hit the acting at a three. Vincent Price, yes, was awesome, but a lot of other people still had their cheese going on in there, especially with some of the acting from the detectives. Charles Bronson, before he really got big into film, yeah having him having no lines may have been a benefit to him at the time. I don't know.
01:07:45
Speaker
having that silent role. um But everything else just seems kind of of just a standard. and And like you said, they were pumping out a movie like every week in a lot of these studios. So there's a lot of rush. They don't want you to focus too much. Quick takes, initial runs, get it out, edited pop.
01:08:01
Speaker
If we're doing 20 takes, like you're you're costing money. because and like youre you better You're costing us tape. You're costing us film. We're not doing that, you know? right We're not running up big budgets on this shit. We're going to cut and run. Let's go. So with the acting, four hundred million budgets of today yeah, I think three is fair. You know, I feel like I said pretty good at that as a three.
01:08:26
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No, I think it's same. Vincent carried it. Some of the melodrama doesn't land. Some of the comedy doesn't necessarily land, but overall, you know, it's serviceable and Vincent definitely pushes it further than that mediocre, you know, it's not a, draw it's not a bland acting. I think if you put, if you took Vincent out of this movie and put somebody else in, no one would be talking about it today.
01:08:55
Speaker
but That's, that's going to be true. Yeah. Not for the acting anyway. They would, they might be talking about it for the effects for the three and just the general makeup and stuff. Like, yeah. Like, cause that's, I mean, that's a big standout, but you're right. Like if, if this movie didn't have Vincent, it definitely wouldn't be the cultural, uh, have the cultural impact, which we'll get to later yeah that it definitely has.
01:09:24
Speaker
Well, let's jump into the direction. So Jonathan brought up like you're not doing multiple takes. You're kind of taking what you got, rolling with it.
01:09:38
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You might do a couple extra takes if something is botched terribly. Three to five, maybe seven or ten, maybe. Yeah. One of the things that I loved about this movie is the long takes. That the camera will not cut for minutes and will track across the wax museum.
01:10:01
Speaker
as we follow people or we'll track from one object to another And he just, he's he's rolling around, rolling around. He comes over here, comes over here, comes over here, comes over here, comes over here. And they just follow. They listen. You got small cuts in there where you got the ladies who, you got the one lady who faints eventually. Right, right. Smelling smells, lady, free smelling salts. Oh, thank you. oh Smelling salts, yeah. It's the screen, lady. She faints when that paddle guy puts all the balls in his mouth. She faints then, too.
01:10:44
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um so Yeah. She was very triggered. yeah so Too many balls right now. I thought I was aroused. Uh, yeah.
01:11:02
Speaker
but i little a little too risque for 1950. Uh, what was it? Try to pour something, first trade. So Yes. So it was when he put three balls in anyways, the choked on his balls. You're not even supposed to happen. I'm sorry.
01:11:25
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That's one too many. Two! Geez, what are you doing? Oh!
01:11:34
Speaker
Squared he'd get the third one.
01:11:42
Speaker
So if you've made a decision on this channel at all over time, you will know that I hate quick, abrupt shortcuts. I hate it. It's fine. It serves its purpose for the movies, but I think overall it tends to be somewhat lazy, not just from a direction standpoint, but your actors are required to be in character for 0.2 seconds because that's all the shot is. right This movie does not do that at all. These takes are minutes long at times. and It's one of those other things that I keep mentioning about a stage play. A stage play, you are in character the entire time you're on stage. and This brings that to the screen. and It's one of the things that I love is that
01:12:30
Speaker
Yes, we've talked about the sets and the script and the acting, but I often felt like I was watching a stage play because the camera didn't cut. We're watching them perform this scene for minutes at a time. The opening scene is one of those great scenes. the i I loved it. I loved it. And there's a lot of little clues to the way the camera moves in this that is honestly beyond what I expected from this film. I expected it to be pretty straightforward.
01:13:04
Speaker
The director was blind in one eye, he couldn't see 3D. He couldn't, his depth was off. I say blue, where's everything else? so I think that actually added to avoiding some of those cliche, like Friday the 13th, part three. Right, all right. Yo, yo, right at your face. This one, it does that, but not over the top. Like we have that one fist that comes flying at the screen during a bunch. But what I loved is the way he used in that same scene, we watch a fight happen through shadows on the wall. Yes. And then a chair flies across the screen and then they tussle in front of the camera. Right.
01:13:50
Speaker
And I was like, that's one that's something. And I'm not trying to cut you off. no go Go for it. yeah that's subtlety That's what I mean by I was so impressed with like the fight choreography. It's not just the choreography. It's the way it's filmed. It's the way yeah it flows so good. like No, it wasn't super impressive, but it just had such a consistent flow to it.
01:14:14
Speaker
Like it's someone actually took time to figure out, all right, how are we going to do this? Get these guys struggling from here to here. Who's going to be hitting win? Who's going to throw the other guy over his shoulder? Like it just, it just felt like it didn't feel real, but it felt meticulous. And yes, I appreciated it. Big time.
01:14:41
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And you bring up the fight choreography, like that opening segment had some nasty moments, not in the fight per se, but Vincent gets knocked unconscious and then stands up and goes back to get water to try to put the fire out. yeah And his business partner stops him and beats him again.
01:15:04
Speaker
Right. why youd Until these days. You can tell these days that his own concern is to save like and preserve. That was just... Ignoring the fact that he just had a fight. i honestly thought I honestly thought he was gonna burn on that pyre. i i And I was like, this is so symbolic with the fucking Joan of Arc theme. He's burning on the pyre. The martyr to his own craft. They didn't have go that route necessarily, but like, like just That coupled with some of the imagery, are we on direction right now? I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah we are on direction. Okay, so yeah, that coupled with some of the imagery of like, just like, again, with the music swelling, the mannequins just slowly melting and burning and everything's on fire. Like, the imagery in this film is dope. It's dope as fuck. like Yeah.
01:16:02
Speaker
We have those harsh reds and yellows of that fire that scene going on. Then later we have his direction. Like we've mentioned the chase through the streets where it's blues and blacks and it's dark and it's shadowy and it's fantastic. But I was also going to say like these actors for the most part look to do their own stunts because during that fight at the beginning, Vincent goes to pull him away through the door from the door.
01:16:29
Speaker
And the guy throws Vincent into that railing that's on fire and Vincent tumbles like half a floor. And it's just, I was shocked by the execution. I was impressed by all this. I was like, look at what they're doing. you see now It's good.
Direction and Visuals in Murder Scene
01:16:49
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You guys kill me because you keep saying all this stuff and like.
01:16:53
Speaker
And then it reminds me of other things that I got to bring up. Damn it. Bring it up. Bring it up. So I was at a three. I was at three. I was. And then it brings all the things that brings a mind. I changed it to a four because. Okay. Okay. Okay.
01:17:10
Speaker
with The fact that it was the first 3D film in that early fight scene when The Wax Museum was burning down at the beginning, when Henry and Maddie are fighting, they're throwing stuff around the set, okay?
01:17:26
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there's Maddie takes whatever big large thing it is. I thought it was like a bottle or something and throws it towards the camera. Yeah. Hits the camera because you see that boom and you see a little shake. Right. He was trying to aim close to it, but he actually hit. Yes. Part of the camera. And that effect for this, this fact that it's a first 3D film and having that coming at you in and thinking about what that would be like in that perspective and that Russia like, Oh my God, this there's something about my face. Oh, oh, oh, oh.
01:17:57
Speaker
It's so good. that That just gets me. And like then and on top of the fact that the Barker with the paddle balls, that fourth wall break I talked about earlier, and how they're aiming to really engage the audience in the theater.
01:18:14
Speaker
That is such a novel thing, especially since it's the first one. absolutely yeah you know Who else would have got how you could really engage the audience in that such a special way that makes such a big impact? so i went through um'm um i'm gonna go um you know I'm gonna go from a three to a five, bro. I'm gonna go three to a five. I'm gonna switch it up. He stepped it up quite a bit. I was thinking of doing the same thing, but now I feel like if I do it, I'm gonna be, I don't know, like I'll feel dumb doing it or something. You would know if I'm gonna do it or not. Ride the wave, ride the wave, bro. It doesn't matter if you feel impressed, if you feel inspired. I've been on your show, and this is how it happens.
01:18:59
Speaker
I'm going to go to a 4.5. There some good direction and with the chases through the town area from the bedroom of Kathy out onto the back of the apartment building down. Yeah, try to get to this gate, unlock this gate, rush to the streets, and then the fact that she has the presence of mind. when she actually the streets When she actually fought with that gate instead of hopping over it, I was like, i just jump, just jump.
01:19:33
Speaker
ill that later likes john looie know ah know you are You mentioned her bedroom. When she first discovers her friend murdered, that scene is shot so beautifully. She walks in in the dark, but we just have these two big black or lit windows and everything else is dark and she walks in front of them and goes down and leans down on her friend. Yeah, the reveal that he's hiding there is slow. It's not like, why do you step out of hiding? Whatever.
01:20:09
Speaker
But that scene, that shot of her kneeling over the bed, it reminded me of Nosferatu, which is like, that would have been 30 years before this film, but it had that same kind of eerie vibe of her just, she's checking on her friend, but the lighting in that, so good. And that goes again to, you mentioned shadow play earlier with the atmosphere and everything. Yeah, man.
01:20:38
Speaker
this ra This movie's got shadow play out the wazoo. So yeah, definite do I definitely dig that reference.
Chase Scene Analysis
01:20:45
Speaker
I didn't catch it, but I definitely dig that reference now that I now that you've not only that though that even through the chase scenes through the cityscape,
01:20:55
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She gets to the point where the cobblestone streets, the noise, she realizes, I'm making too much noise. That's how he's tracking me. Takes off her boots. Takes off her boots and pulls him up to use as a weapon. She's ready to defend herself with those heels and bash this dude if she has to. That sense of presence of mind, to have that kind of direction, be like, I'm fearing for my life. If he keeps chasing me, what am I gonna do? I gotta defend myself.
01:21:20
Speaker
Make myself silent. Get ready to beat this dude to nothing with these heels if I have to. yeah Awesome. Awesome strength scene as part of that arc for the character going from fear instantly to going into preservation mode. Fight or flight. She did the flight. It's not working. He's still coming. Now it's time to fight. And she prepares. She gets ready.
01:21:47
Speaker
That's awesome. so I think that really impresses more on the arc also, but plus direction on how they made that scene go. Fantastic. You know what? I'm coming up to a 5-2. Three to five, buddy. I'm coming up to a 5-2. That's so good. well we also You brought it up earlier, and I forgot to mention it during the script, but it definitely goes under direction, was the subtle clues that he's been picking out people related to his insurance case.
01:22:17
Speaker
that if you're not paying attention, you miss it. It initially just like, here's a tour of the wax museum from vi from Jared's eyes. Then later we see it from the police's eyes where they're like, that guy looks like this missing person. That guy looks like that murder suspect. And you're like,
01:22:36
Speaker
Is it so coincidental? So coincidental. Or is it coincident? I want her. Let's just guess like this woman and ignore everything she says and her fears. Till we finally figure it out. Okay. Was she on a she on a monthly or something?
01:22:54
Speaker
ah That would have fit in this movie. yeah oh yeah I would have said
Historical Importance of 3D Films
01:23:01
Speaker
that. All right, so the cultural significance, if we haven't already hinted to it enough throughout this recording, this was, I want to i want to double check it. I want to double check it just to make sure I'm not misleading the six people who watch the show.
01:23:19
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ah
01:23:24
Speaker
Hey, all six of you. We love you. We appreciate you. yeah I'm one of them. hey hey Hey, I appreciate you, buddy. And we love having you on the show. Have we mentioned that? Well, thanks for having me. Have I mentioned that? Yeah, that's why I said I appreciate having you. Oh, okay.
01:23:48
Speaker
He's so polite. I just love him. oh my god such a boy he's a nice young fella okay so it looks like this is mike when he farts now um so it looks like the first ever 3d film was the power of love in 1922. However, so 1936, MGM's audio scopics developed by some people, ah one and novelty for a short, that was 3D. 1952 to 1955 was the first boom period for 3D cinema, which was led by House of Wax.
01:24:37
Speaker
Oh, gotcha. So this was the first like major wide release that brought ushered in a 3D era of film. So this was where most of our 1950 to 55 3D movies came after this one. So it was historically significant, even if it's not the very first 3D film.
01:25:04
Speaker
It had a huge impact on film, but not just on film. I hate 3D movies. I'm just going to put that out there. Oh, yeah. Same. I don't try to watch them. Most of the time, they're gimmicky. This one has hints of gimmick, but it wasn't overwhelming.
Dislike for 3D Movies
01:25:23
Speaker
But most of the time, the feed the theater experience, I get headaches. Everything is blurry. I don't like it. Same.
01:25:31
Speaker
but i it' it's It's a big deal for a lot of people. Transformers in 3D was awesome. um But this also kickstarted Vincent Price's career. And Vincent Price, as the three of us said, we knew him from childhood, really, whether it was parents introducing us to him, seeing him on Batman 66, which Say what you want about that show. It's great. It's fucking awesome. Adam West is Batman. It's it's not my Batman, but it's fantastic Batman. He had so many cameos throughout the 80s, the 90s with so many different things. I mean, he was very similar in the horror world for so many people.
01:26:17
Speaker
Thriller, right? Didn't he do the narration for the Thriller video? Yeah, he did. Absolutely. That was super key. It's actually Jackson's career in the 80s. That song wouldn't be as good without Vincent Price. if you If you look him up on IMDb, Thriller is like the image next to his name.
01:26:38
Speaker
Like that is there you go that is one of his biggest things. But before this, he he wasn't really a horror guy before this movie. Right. This is like jump-started his horror career. Yes, he did like Adventures of Captain Fabian, Curtain Call at Cactus Creek, Champagne for Caesar, Baron of Arizona, Baghdad, The Bride, Three Musketeers, and so on. He was in Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein. He was the voice of the Invisible Man from 1948. That's a fantastic film. ah So he did
01:27:17
Speaker
A lot of stuff before this, like we said, studios were doing things almost weekly at that point. But this was the one that launched his career into doing horror movies, which became his calling card. After this, he did, not directly after this, but kind of because of this, he went in to do the Mad Magician,
01:27:42
Speaker
ah He went on to do Alfred Hitchcock Presents. He was in some of that. The Fly from 1958, which is another movie we're talking about. We're actually talking about that one with Travis.
01:27:54
Speaker
Oh, yeah. He did House on Haunted Hill, Return of the Flies, The Tingler, The Bat. He went on to do The House of Usher. the His Poe movies from the 60s were how I was introduced to him. That's
Vincent Price's Horror Breakthrough
01:28:10
Speaker
awesome. The House of Usher, The Pit and the Pendulum. those like That became what he was known for, his horror, his creepy buttery smoothness of just him was so good. So this movie, like I'm praising it ridiculously, I gave it a four, like it didn't inspire a ton of sequels, didn't go on, you know, but I guess maybe a Hall of Fame nomination or not even nomination, it was inducted into the Hall of Fame.
01:28:44
Speaker
Yeah, maybe maybe that. I don't know if you can get much more culturally significant than going into the Hall of Fame. It's definitely it's definitely a must watch from a cultural standard if you're. If you're into horror, you know what I mean? And it's a shame that it took me 37 years to see it. I, I, I agree. That's my fault, but but yeah, like I.
01:29:13
Speaker
Yeah, I'm coming in at a four. I'm coming in at a four. It's not psycho. It's not, you know, it's not something that's. I mean, because psycho, like you don't even have to know what the movie is. But if you hear the way you know what that is, the Michael Myers theme, you know, the Halloween theme, you know what that is. That's cultural.
Re-evaluating Film Ratings
01:29:39
Speaker
I'm going with the four.
01:29:41
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but know I think I'm going to stick with a four on its cultural significance between jump-starting Vincent's career, the Hall of Fame nomination, and being the front-runner to the 50s boom of 3D.
01:29:56
Speaker
yeah we're in high exhibit four See, man, now I feel stupid because I didn't give it that much thought and I didn't know, like I said, I didn't do any research. So I didn't know all Yeah. the aspects about how important it was as being part of like, being like the major, first major 3D film that really spurred it. I had it at a two and God, you guys make so many good points and I feel like a goob bag. So I'm changing to a four. Okay. Yeah. I'm going to go for a two to a four. I'm making double jumps. Our scores are crazy on this one. Hot scotching.
01:30:28
Speaker
I am straight up. Even though we've talked about the appreciation for the way this movie was constructed, that shouldn't change how much we enjoyed it. Right. So, yeah onto the enjoyment. Anybody want to go first or should I?
01:30:46
Speaker
I gave it a six. oh no Okay. I gave it a six on enjoyment.
Old Hollywood Craft Appreciation
01:30:51
Speaker
I enjoyed the hell out of it, but it's not something that I would see myself rewatching unless it was like, like, Hey mom, have you ever seen the OG house of wax? You know, because I bet I could get my mom to watch this movie and I bet she would enjoy it and not have nightmares and hate me for the rest of my life.
01:31:14
Speaker
el This isn't something that like I love, but like i look as I'm watching, I'm just seeing the craft of it, and I'm seeing this like old-school Hollywood, and I'm just digging on it. you know um So yeah, I give it a six. there there was a little ah There were times where I was like, man, like let's move along. Let's move along a little bit, you know pacing issues. but And that's really what did it for me. Well, did it in for me, but... um
01:31:50
Speaker
Yeah, six, six. That's what I'm talking about. I would agree. I think act two drags. Like the middle part of the film, after we get his creepy person show up and capture the body, and then we get the reveal of him in the wheelchair, that drags for quite a bit after that scene. But after we've talked about it through this, I appreciate it more, seeing some of the parallels that are drawn during that time. Same.
01:32:20
Speaker
I appreciate that. But man, I was a seven for much the same reasons. I think it dragged up points. I appreciate the craft. I loved looking at it and being like, damn, they cared. They cared about what they were making. And you can see that in just about every frame.
01:32:42
Speaker
But to modern audiences, i it's a bit slow. It's a bit boring. It's not one I will go back to often. If I'm honest, and this almost hurts me to say,
01:32:57
Speaker
I'm more likely to put on the 2005 version for a party. Sure, sure. No, I get it. <unk>ability and you yeah If I'm having a gathering, I'm probably going to put the 2005. I might rather watch a Paris Hilton die, man. I'm just saying. yeah Unless you got a group that's really down for old school. Exactly. and you you You would definitely go 2005 over this one, over a 53. Yeah, I was struggling between a six and a seven. and Maybe I'm being overly critical, but like the enjoyment factor, i I landed on a six because I was like, how often am I going to watch this? Right.
01:33:39
Speaker
Yep.
Balancing Enjoyment and Craftsmanship
01:33:40
Speaker
I think you're fine out of six. Like I said, I'm out of seven. Part of that is why I probably went up a little bit, is I love old movies. That's what I was raised on. you know I wasn't allowed to watch anything rated R, so I had to go back to it before the R rating existed. Sure. i Back when you could have like sexual assault and titties and like violence. And it was rated like PG or some shit. It's PG, mom. Airplane. Yeah, like backward ratings just didn't matter.
01:34:13
Speaker
but yeah Hey, his parents were there. I mean, it's fine.
01:34:19
Speaker
yeah But so I have a soft spot for movies of this ilk this kind. I enjoy it a lot. It's not one I'm going to watch frequently, though, like you said, I might go back to it.
01:34:35
Speaker
Our conversation today has made me appreciate it far more than my first watch my second watch. It is one that my second watch I picked up on some things that I was like, okay, this movie is better than I thought. so yeah i I was a seven. I enjoyed it, but it's it's not a turn it on again immediately.
01:34:56
Speaker
I actually fell asleep during the second act the first time I watched it. oh And I had to pick it back up and rewind through to figure out where I fell asleep and rewatch it yesterday. That intermission hits the brakes, man. Yeah. yes Yeah. That kind of mess with you a little bit. Yeah. They should have maybe just left that intermission clip out. Granted, I was all play on. You know, I was, I was inebriated, but but still, you know,
01:35:26
Speaker
See, I was surprised because I figured it sounded like you guys enjoyed it way more than I did. So I figured your scores would have been higher than mine. But yeah, I was at a seven also. I mean, there was a lot of good run around, a lot of good action. The scenes where I i felt like were kind of decently paced at certain points, depending on sense of urgency and tension, you know, so.
01:35:50
Speaker
I feel like Seven's a comfortable place to be for me on this. so i'm I'm glad that we're kind of relative on that. I'm surprised with the way you guys just figured it out. We're all in sync pretty good right now. We're not a boy band. You shut your mouth. We're not a boy band. It's going to be me. That's not going to be me.
Scoring System Praise
01:36:11
Speaker
I think that's, I know I say it frequently, but man, I love the scoring system I came up with because we can acknowledge the craft of the film. Right. and then acknowledge that we don't necessarily, like, it's not our favorite movie, you know? We can go through and be like, damn, they really paid attention here, and they did a great job here, but I'm probably not gonna watch this movie for another year or so, you know? um i ah My biggest thing with this movie is, I think I might try to get my mom to watch it. I think it could be fun. Yeah, sure. She's just known one about it. She's not a horror person at all. like um
01:36:49
Speaker
I mean like she, she'll watch like the alien movies and stuff, but like, that's like as deep as she goes in the weeds with it. And most of the time, if you just say horror around her, her mind goes straight to stuff she doesn't even know exists. Like like if someone was if someone were like if someone were to like explain a Serbian film to my mom, she would probably just assume that's what all horror is. So so she wouldn't even be surprised to be like, well, of course that's what it is. It's it's evil. It's horrible, you know?
01:37:27
Speaker
So, yeah, the devil, man. Right. No, mama, it's not the devil. It's just Vicky Malacourt. She showed me her poobies and I like them too. That's, that's the movie of my people, bro. I'm just saying. Yeah, man.
01:37:55
Speaker
All right, so a littleian let's look at wrapping this up. So our final total enjoyment wrapped in with the construction and how well the movie was made. ah My total is a 41.
01:38:13
Speaker
No shit. So my total 41 believe that puts it in the great category of and this is one of those that it's more 41 to 48 is amazing. So I do think might've been generous, but I do think, you know, no, it is an amazing film for being one of the earliest examples of 3D. Sure, yeah. That we've ever seen. The way it was- If only we had seen it in 3D, maybe that would be a different product. I agree, I wish I could see it. It's impact and everything, absolutely. Yes, it's impact, the Vincent Price aspect of it. Yeah, man. I mean, the fact that there was even a remake made
01:38:57
Speaker
decades later, in nearly 50 years later. season's a cash grab well But like we said, this was a loosely a proto slasher and the next movie just kind of took that and embraced it.
01:39:16
Speaker
so Yeah, I mean, I do think it's an amazing film, I guess, but it's not one that I'm going to put on for crowds of people, as I previously said.
01:39:29
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so
01:39:32
Speaker
It's something I would definitely recommend to other people to watch, especially if they see in 2005. And if they do like films and like to see the difference in how stories have progressed, because no matter what you do, there's always going to be a rehashing of a story. And we've seen that so many times with so many different iterations with us, you know, with the fact that we're doing originals versus reasemakes and how seeing how these stories change over time while they still try to maintain that original plot.
01:40:03
Speaker
There's always gonna be rehash you go look at any other film like what was it like the longest yard there's been like three of those there's been multiple iterations of so many different types of films you know that are remakes this and this and this and this reaction stories you know like oceans eleven and like all the things that spur from that after they did remakes of that.
01:40:22
Speaker
They're going to see so many different iterations of things and just that that perspective of how it changes over time is pretty cool. I hate the fact that there's not much as far as originality as we'd like to see these days, but it's still interesting to see how people try to retell a lot of these classic stories. you know and you know Part of me wonders if I would have enjoyed this far more if I had watched it first.
01:40:49
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, you know, be a very different perspective. And we'd seen this yeah before everything else. And that ruins like, man, my whole setup was to think that, uh, the remakes are usually inferior films. And so you're trying to give them, give them as much credit as we could right give them sight on a curve to grade on. Right. Yeah. and but is a real way saying respect realizing that the twists might be taken from the original source, which then... What a twist! Yeah, which then lessens the impact of the original, so... Yeah, um, agreed.
01:41:34
Speaker
So I come out to a 36.5. I'm going to round up to a 37 because I think Mr. Price anyone deserves it and the director. I don't remember the director's name, but you deserve it boy.
01:41:49
Speaker
andre deta You're probably dead, but you deserve it. I'm giving you your props. Yeah. Overall, like this is just something that's been on my back burner, like much of the classic horror
Appeal of Older Films to a Wider Audience
01:42:06
Speaker
movies. And again, like I mentioned, hammer horror. I've been wanting to dive into these older movies for so long. I'm glad I did. I had fun with it. I think this is a great film. Um,
01:42:20
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And I want to watch it with my mama. That's what I want to do. That's I'm going to, that's my homework. I'm going to sign it my myself. family together I'm going to go watch this with my mama. I think she'll dig it. I love that. I love that. Honestly. Yeah. Because I do, I mean the 2005 one, I'm not, I'm not showing it to my mom. with shorts yeah but they Those kids are too loose for my values. Oh yeah. Yeah. As soon as she'd see Paris Hilton, she'd be like, Ricky, what this is retarded. We're not, we're not doing this. But I do think
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I do think that is something special about this era of film, yeah is that it can bring an even wider audience together. Sure. Then if if you're a whole horror, did you have something to say? You okay? Yeah, i just I totally forgot to bring this up, but okay bring up the sense of moral perspective versus what we see today, versus what they experienced when the film was made in 1953, versus the time when it was portrayed in the late 1800s.
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She's like the point where they're at the club with Scott and Sue, and she's talking about her stuff, and he's trying to play it off, and they're watching these ladies dancing on stage, kicking up their skirts, wearing bloomers, showing their legs, and how exposed they are, and like her judgment of those ladies and what they're doing, these dancers. Sue is very judgmental. There's a moral standard and perspective here.
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And even with the with with with Henry Jared's assistant, um who's the alcoholic, yeah you know, they're they're playing off some really big things that were important to them because they're coming out of, God, when was... Oh.
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Well, I was thinking that originally that was around prohibition. Prohibition hadn't been ended for long. I mean, prohibition ended like what? Right before World War I or during World War I, maybe even. Right. So you got people with this addiction to alcohol and you get these clubs where they're starting to drink again. And then like these women, this this sense of promiscuity for the time. Right. You know, that you know you didn't see that kind of thing. That wasn't acceptable. So there is a lot of judgment for those dancing ladies. That's crazy.
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i Yeah. So this movie was released 20 years after prohibition ended. Okay. So so there's still people that have some long standing feelings about prohibition with alcohol and the moral standard, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
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pro of shit but Our total all together is 39.5 ish, which rounds up to four stars out of five. Hell yeah. So we're going to finish this up. But four stars out of five or the what did I say it was 40. Yeah, that makes it a solid great movie bordering on amazing. So I do think great is probably a better category for it for social settings. It's a great one. You got to have people who appreciate film to watch it. But it's a solid four out of five stars all in all. So Jonathan.
01:45:54
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It's been a fantastic discussion. A lot of points made, a lot of changes, but still a lot of awesomeness discussed. um So, as we draw all the curtains on episode eight of our 13 Nets of Halloween series, we hope you enjoy this haunting journey back to the classic horror of 1953's The House of Wax with Vincent Price's unforgettable performance and the film's innovative use of 3D technology. It's no wonder this movie has submitted its place in horror history.
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A special thanks to Ricky from The Nightclub, a podcast for joining us tonight and sharing his invaluable insights into this iconic film. We always glad to have you here, brother. Your passion and expertise have added a rich layer to our discussion, making this viewing experience all the more captivating. Thanks, guys. Thanks for having me. I love being here. We also hope you savored our Wicked Wax Martini, a fittingly eerie and elegant cocktail to accomplish such a timeless masterpiece.
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Stay tuned for tomorrow night's episode where we continue our thrilling exploration of horror remakes versus originals. so tomorrow we're talking the original cperia
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