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S3.E7: Feathered, Freaky, and Full of Feels (w/ Travis(The Night Club Podcast) & Evan (The Kilt and the Redneck))
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🦆 It’s time to get feathered and freaky as we dive into one of the wildest cult classics ever laid—Howard the Duck! 🐣💥
We’re joined by our good friends Travis from @thenightclubpodcast and Evan from @thekiltandtheredneck to talk about Marvel’s very first live-action movie. That’s right—before the MCU, there was a sarcastic, cigar-smoking, guitar-shredding alien duck with a taste for Earth women and one-liners.
We talk questionable creative decisions, incredible practical effects, and how this bizarre, foul-mouthed bird somehow waddled his way into cult movie history. Plus, lots of duck puns. Because, obviously.
🎥 Note: our video recording setup was being a real bird-brain, so this episode looks a little different—but the conversation? Still egg-ceptional.
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Transcript
Introduction: Discussing 'Howard the Duck'
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This is Tim. This is Jonathan. Long before the Shape of Water introduced audiences to an interspecies romance. Before Tobey Maguire ever donned the red and blue spandex.
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And before America's ass united the Avengers to defeat Thanos. There was a talking, cigar smoking, wisecracking duck from outer space.
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That's right folks, we're diving into the most important Marvel movie ever made. The film that paved the way for the MCU as we know it. The Citizen Kane of interdimensional duck cinema.
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The crown jewel of 80s cult chaos. Howard the Duck. It's a movie so ahead of its time, audiences just weren't ready to buy tickets.
Guest Introductions and Podcast Format
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Or maybe they were too ready, and that's what scared them. We're talking laser guns, evil space overlord demons, duck romance, and Leah Thompson in the most 80s rock attire imaginable.
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And an animatronic duck costume that cost $2 million dollars and still looked like something out of an off-brand Chuck E. Cheese nightmare. So grab your Play Duck magazines, warm up your laser cannons, and get ready for a deep dive into Marvel's greatest cinematic achievement to date.
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We're talking, but we're not talking about this film alone. We've got two awesome guests joining us for this deep dive into Duck Field mayhem. We have Travis from the Nightclub podcast. Very familiar with him, I'm sure.
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And also with us representing in the Kilt the Redneck podcast, a man unafraid to wade through the cinematic chaos. Evan, welcome aboard. good to have you back.
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Thanks for having us, guys. ah We're excited to have you too, especially on such short notice. Thank you guys for being willing. I didn't know i could say hi. My bad. You can say hi. Hello.
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i'm the i'm that ah I'm that junkie that's in the ah in the alleyway in the beginning that says he's too tooted it up and he's imagining that he's seeing a duck that's talking. I'm that guy on the bus that's like, that's a duck.
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That's a duck, man.
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I'm not going tell you which guy i am
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I am. Don't be ginning. That's all I can say. Be hard when he's in the bed with her. I watched this movie for Leah Thompson. Yes. ah Yes. Love me some Leah Thompson.
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Yep. She was a favorite of mine back in the day. So what exactly do we do here on the average? We take a movie, we dissect it piece by piece and scored across those different categories, script, direction, acting, music,
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and that all-important enjoyment level. We total up those scores and give you an idea of why you might think something is a four-star movie or if it's an absolute disaster.
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And we don't just want to hear our own voices on this. We want you to be a part of the chaos. Submit your own scores using one of the three methods found on our Instagram. Did Howard the Duck change your life or should be blasted back into the cosmic void?
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Let us know. while you're at it, don't forget to like, follow, and subscribe. We're on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your fix of movie madness.
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It helps us keep the lights on and the bad jokes coming. All right. Let's get weird. Let's get wild. Let's get
Plot Overview and Duck World
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quackin'. Oh, you did it. you You delivered that. You delivered that.
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All right. So Howard the Duck. the story of howard the duck let's dive into it guys so howard the duck the movie opens with one of my favorite favorite segments of the film which was actually filmed after if i remember correctly from my research it was added later because they wanted to show duck world But we open up in Duck World, see the ah Play Duck Magazine, ah Rolling Egg Magazine, Breeders of the Lost Ark. That one is, don't Google that now.
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ah Oh, shit.
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There's, it's amazing. Duck World is amazing. ah But then Howard the Duck, our titular character, gets sucked to our world. We don't know why for a solid 45 minutes of the movie.
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It's kind of the first part of the movie. And then it's about Howard trying to figure out how to get home along with a whole bunch of other shenanigans that happen along the way.
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What we think? I'm going to be honest.
Quirky Elements and Tone
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The Duck romance is really uncomfortable for me. It's weird. I was weird as hell, too. Absolutely. She's ready to hop into bed with him so fast.
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Ducks have a corkscrew penis. i was gonna say i wasn't going to say it, but yeah. Because when i was watching it earlier, me and Alex, my daughter, we were watching it and she said, Dad, that's a little bit strange. And I was like, it's not as strange as what you think, baby. That corkscrew penis ain't no joke.
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ah it's I tell you that, but I was thinking in my brain, I was like, I'm not going to tell a damn thing to you, but I'm thinking that. Well, like how this movie opens ever since I was a little kid, a little backstory on this for me, because this is like one of my favorites from my childhood.
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and So right on. Tim, when you when you hit me up, yet i was it yesterday? i think. Yeah, it was last minute. yeah Yeah, I was like, oh, fuck.
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I want to talk about this movie because, yeah. One of the things that always freaked me out about Duck World, like at the beginning, was like the duck titties.
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And you see them twice. You see them in rolling or ah play duck. There you see them again. And when they're he's flying through the fucking his apartment building in his fucking. Yeah. Oh, and that's the other thing.
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I like how y'all touched on in the intro that this this is the first Marvel film. people People think it's Iron Man and shit or maybe Spider-Man or whatever. No, bitch. Howard the Duck, 1986, produced by George Lucas.
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And originally it was going to be an animated movie, but um they needed a summer blockbuster. So they thought this would be the goddamn thing. George Lucas was like, i ah what's his company called?
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I almost said IBM. No, but the the special effects one. Oh, oh, it's i unlimited industrial light and magic. Yeah. Yeah. He was like, they could handle this.
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um um i'm getting I'm getting lost in the weeds a little bit, but I just wanted to preface this. but like This was always strange to me. The duck tits, the duck condom, um the potential romance with Beverly, which in the comics, she is his girlfriend. It's accurate, yeah. yeah ah The story, I'll just jump right in.
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I'll just jump right in um this story is super interesting to me and as seeing it as a little kid it was one of the first of its kind for me like this creature gets
Critique and Audience Reception
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and it's a duck out of water like how many duck puns can we do in this challenge accepted let's let's get quack into it you're quacking up the right you're quacking up the right tree here bud tim said tim promised y'all bad jokes here i go no that's why i wanted you to on this one it's gotta be dude the the duck how are the duck getting transported to earth um trying to basically figure out why how he even got there and the way the movie goes
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Where it ends up being this super laboratory that's working on this whatever. I don't even know what the hell it's doing. Okay, I really don't understand that part of the movie. But it can somehow triangulate on certain parts of the universe and then bring things to it somehow. That's weird.
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um The movie goes all over the place, but I guess, but and as a kid, I didn't know this was Marvel. I had no idea that, you know, this is semi superhero level. So the fact that it goes there now in my adult brain, I'm like, oh, this makes perfect sense. It's the zany and it's the softball.
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And then finding out about the character, Howard the Duck, and how he was supposed to be in the comics. It's like all of this tracks. Why people didn't show up for it. I don't know. This plays out like a quintessential 80s fantasy movie to me.
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You know, it's got all the same tropes that all those like you could put this up there with Willow or and never ending story or whatever. And I'm like, yeah, I count that in the same category.
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um I did read something about uneven tone. right that I actually agree with it. Really? that it That is an area that I do agree with the uneven tone.
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so but go ahead go ahead i'll get into it that was that was one of my things i was going to bring up was was the uneven tone is like i never felt like it to me the movie didn't go from one minute being a zany comedy to somehow a dark sinister it to me it played comedy the whole way through ah thought it was just a comedy movie um So I never found a shift in tone. It never happened for me as a viewer.
00:10:16
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The story itself, just the story, how unique it was when I was a kid, how much I can look back on it now and get those you know nostalgic feelings. I'm going to give it a four out of five.
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It's not perfect. And four where four is being a little generous, but it's it's it's ingrained, man. It's just there from from eight years old or whatever. That's allowed.
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That's why we all we all
Story Structure and Character Dynamics
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score it differently. That's why we're here to celebrate. So my unevenness in tone actually goes to the script for me. ah But I'll bring it up now since you brought it up. my I feel the unevenness in tone is when this movie was released, parents didn't know if they could take their kids to it, but then it also wasn't adult enough for kids to enjoy.
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So it wasn't that it went too dark to too light. It was that... Here's a condom in Howard's wallet. Here she is about to take her shirt off. But then there's also slapstick gags meant for children.
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And so it was that a balancing act that I don't exactly think they landed, which to me makes the movie more charming. i I like the movie. I love the movie.
00:11:27
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We're going to get into that. But I think this is one of those movies that Yeah, so this was considered the worst movie ever made or one of the worst movies ever made prior to The Room being made.
00:11:45
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Which is also an awesome movie. yeah see it's a It is for all all kinds of different reasons, but this is widely, was widely considered one of the worst films ever made.
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i want to ask you something, Tim. oh What? Did you not see the Sphinx titties in ah Never Ending Story? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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yeah That's what it brings me out though. Those laser eyes. That was intense. That was intense stuff. That movie is traumatizing for children and everybody should see it. Our texts.
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Hey, were you're actually coming back on to talk that one with us. Aren't you later this year? i if that's the one I picked, then yes. Yeah. For our childhood fantasy series, you're jumping in on that one.
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But, uh, we'll talk about them sphinx tits again, Bob.
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but Yeah, i I see why this was widely considered a terrible film. But to me, that just makes it more charming. and that I like it. I think the story itself makes very little sense.
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And it's just absurd. And so I give it a pass on that. Duck gets transplanted to earth because of a military test on lasers that opened a dimensional portal, and then these demons come to Earth and possess the scientists to open the portal and bring more interdimensional something or other. Dark Overlords.
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The Dark Overlords. yeah we could we We could send Howard back when we do this dimensional portal thing, but Howard's going to say goodbye to Duck World forever, because Beverly...
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Beverly's a catch. Dude. He scramble his eggs. but Jennings also had the Sphinx eyes. He did. When they come up the side? Yeah, dude. With cars. i mean we we to that later yeah It's just nonsense. it's ah In some ways, the story plays for me as a reason to get from set piece to set piece. We have the fantastic diner set piece.
Production Insights and Cultural Impact
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Love it.
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Love the whole diner sequence. It's one of my favorites of the movies. But then we have like that paraglider thing. that That whole sequence. not It's fun. ah That's a moment that I'm like, yeah, this is kid's movie.
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Because I'm not really getting it. Then we have the... ah ah
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We have the Rancor pit at the end when he just comes up and he's fighting the puppetry is amazing on that creature. It's so good. But it's just a lot of, you can tell that this was a big budget film for the time. it had a so solid budget.
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But the original draft of the story is the movie I wish I would have seen. ah think the budget was $37 million, dollars if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. am yeah That's what I heard.
00:14:53
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So the thing i really like, I really liked the first third of this film. It's once the scientists start to get involved that I'm a little bit less.
00:15:04
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Yeah. oh so you like when when howard fucking kicks that that band manager's ass ginger yes honestly i wanted a movie i want a movie howard comes to this earth and the first movie is just him becoming the band manager and doing and all that going up against these corrupt band guys who are using their power to sleep with the band girls as we hear like i want that movie ah i love all that howard's like hey here's this scientist and i zone out for about 20 minutes and then i come back but i come back for a diner scene that's me uh and i'm i'm being critical of it but ah i don't want to start off so critical but i am but i enjoy the film a lot um what was i saying before oh
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the original draft of the script was like a crime noir that was just howard the duck in earth and nobody was treating him like a duck he was just like a hard-boiled detective type character and the comedy
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and i was like i kind of love that and i want to see that movie i i want to see that not interdimensional overlords but yeah I'll save my score for after you and other two talk, because maybe you'll change my mind.
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Go for it, Evan. What you got?
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So I gave it a four. um I guess I'm kind of a little bit scrambled after the scientist scenes, so I'm kind of just... I'm a little bit out there on that one, but i like you said, was the first...
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I guess third quarter of the movie, that was where I loved it. I was like, all right, this is good. This is all up until ah they got into the sack, and I was like, aw, dude.
00:17:03
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He's trying to tell you, lady. You don't want none of this fucking... You don't want none of this dick.
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He gets all shy and bashful, too. like He's like covering up. like he don't He actually does like back down They said, yes okay, I was watching behind the scenes stuff. To get his feathers to, even the director used the word, his feathers go erect um in that scene.
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It took them days to get that ah to work. um they um Took them days. That's horrible. Talk about frustration. yeah She also, Leah Thompson, also said there were two different actors in the suit.
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One of them was a child. Ed Gale. The other one was a little person.
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Mm-hmm. So she
Character Development vs. Charm
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preferred when the little person was in there because he was an adult and she's supposed to be doing these romantic scenes with the duck. And she's like, ah it was just better all the way around when the little person was in there. Oh, wow. Oh, geez.
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have I have a little fun fact. um yeah Ed Gale, who played the Institute performer, yes also played Chucky in Child's Play. And Child's Play, too.
00:18:26
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Yeah. And Bride of Chucky.
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huh yeah so he did a fantastic job but i was just bringing up that bed scene i can't imagine he also saw out the bill that was his only way of only line of sight so re-watching the movie and knowing that his line of sight was out the bill he is constantly like looking at her chin just to line up Where they're at. And I'm like, that would that would be weird to do some romantic scenes when she's like leaning in to kiss your bill and that's like your eyes. just But yeah.
00:19:03
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Anyways, Owen, sorry. Oh, no, you're fine. No. And i had I haven't seen this movie since I was like 10. So this was...
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When I watched it last night when you had wrote us, and I was like, oh, shit. I've had a and a couple too many drinks, but I'm going to try to attempt to watch this. um That's the best way to watch But then today I watched it again, and I was like, you know what?
00:19:30
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I'm going to need a couple drinks. But all in all, no, it was... The story was, at times, I think maybe a little bit wonky.
00:19:45
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ah You know, I'm not used to the comic books, um you know, as an adult now, looking back at it. Like, yeah, it would have been great. It was great when I was a kid, but today's standards...
00:19:59
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Maybe not. um But you know, of course, the kid in me when I was a kid, I would have probably gave it a five. But I was like, nowadays, I'm going to give it a three.
00:20:09
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So I'm going to have to meet you in the middle, young Evan, and give you a four. That's fair. but Yeah, and that's fair.
00:20:19
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Because I do, part of me wishes I had seen this younger because I don't have rosy, rose-colored glasses before. have the nostalgia of it. Yeah, nope. I didn't see this. I didn't see this for a first time until like two years ago.
00:20:33
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I'll be honest with you, Tim. I'll be honest with all you. Ever since like starting the nightclub and like watching certain movies, this is this is honestly the kind of movie, if I saw this today for the first time, I'd still be pretty high on it.
00:20:49
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Oh, yeah. Because it's so... look at it. Just look at it, man. Yeah. It's a feat that this got made like it did. Well, they had they had money behind it, though. so It was George Lucas, too, wasn't it? right yeah George Lucas and another person yeah ah directed that.
00:21:07
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Yes. With Gloria Katz. Yeah, were together to there. They there are couple married, fact, married until Gloria's death in 2018. The director, forget their name, yeah. Oh, yeah. yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. yeah. yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, Oh, Oh, yeah. Oh, Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. yeah. yeah. yeah.
00:21:18
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Oh, yeah. yeah. yeah. yeah. Oh, yeah. yeah. yeah. Oh, Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. yeah. yeah. Oh, Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, Oh, Oh, yeah. Oh, Oh, Oh, yeah. Oh, Oh, yeah. Oh, Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, Oh, Oh, yeah. yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, Oh, yeah.
00:21:29
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yeah. Oh, yeah. yeah. yeah. Oh, yeah. yeah. yeah. yeah. yeah. I was going to save all this stuff for the directing category. Oh, my bad. Well, save it. I'll shut up about the director. I was just, I was, I was speaking on the the fact that like, it's so out there that I'd have to tip my hat to it, even if this was a first time watch, but it's not, I've seen a smooth, it's probably been five, 10 years since I've watched it, but it's it's something that I've, I've put on here and there throughout, throughout the years. So yeah.
Music and Sound Design Appreciation
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Yeah.
00:22:03
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Jonathan, it's all you. Okay. Well, i first of all, I'm going to say I never read like the like the early comic books for it ah for Howard the Duck, but I do have issues of Deadpool and Howard the Duck that are still pretty fucking awesome.
00:22:16
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yeah fun But I'm with Travis, though, man, i I saw this growing up as a kid and in the 80s, and I was hyped up on that shit, man. Like, this is also one of my my early childhood favorites, along with films like Labyrinth and Flight of the Navigator and like so many others, man.
00:22:33
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they're like you leave in that like ninja turtles it's got kind of like that ninja turtles edge feel to it you know it's just they were a little more adult because the film was kind of feels like it was it kind of reaches to everybody in a lot of ways but it felt like it was primarily for like late teens early 20s maybe 30s people that kind crowd when they made it you know um But I was all about the story, and I didn't ever really think about the the more adult aspects of it when you're seeing the apartment in the beginning.
00:23:03
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um So, like, that, like, kind of jilted something in my brain. So, I've, like, I've watched it, like, a couple times a day. Nice. It was had a lot of the background and everything. And it's wonderful just to to catch that story back and, like, kind of think about all the stuff I'd forgotten about it that were, like, so amazing. Again, a second time around after, like, not having watched it.
00:23:22
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since like i was a teenager or some shit so it's been like over 20 years since i lost watch this movie um all the feelings that it brings back and how kick-ass it is and me being like oh yeah i still love leah thompson she's still prime um i'm sitting but heavy very much at ah at a high four on this one man almost four and a half um okay the only rocking film for me man um i'm a three on it i'm a three on it i think it's good I think it's good. It loses a little bit of direction, but I think it's good. Yeah. He's like, it got a little weird and kind of offbeat with the whole like escape scene, like the whole chase scene with the glider, whatever thing that is, you know, some of that could have been like, sure. Not a little bit, but like the, like the part at the diner, that was like, I love that scene. That's one of favorites.
00:24:10
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One of favorite sequences in the film. Um, And I just like the the crazy stuff of him trying to like adjust to human culture and life and everything with all the similarities and how frustrated he gets.
00:24:23
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I thought it was really cool, man. And then coming out on top of the weird way they introduced more of the sci-fi element as the story went on. Yeah, it got boring with the scientist parts a little bit. But once Jennings started turning and getting all flipped out and weird with the overlord stuff, you know he it really kind of picked up after that. So it was fine. you know I think it still ran pretty well.
00:24:42
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So... what i didn't know it and doing my research like i knew howard the duck was a marvel character but i never really read much of him but i didn't know that howard the duck's origin was in marvel comics fear comics so the name fear he briefly appeared in there in a story about just a one-off story about a barbarian who manifested out of a jar of peanut butter so i don't know i Peter Potter Barbarian is coming for you. Hey, the 70s comics were weird.
00:25:19
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um But Hollywood Duck was a character in that. Fans loved him so much from that brief appearance. Marvel was flooded with letters to bring him back.
00:25:31
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He started to appear in Man-Thing comic book. So his own origins are... are Horror based, which I did not realize until I started doing that research. He was a side character in the man thing comic book with Marvel till he was so popular. They eventually gave him his own story.
00:25:53
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And that ran for three years in the seventies there. i was watching news clips. They could not keep Howard the duck comic books on shelves in the seventies.
00:26:07
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it was selling out like crazy
Special Effects and Practicality
00:26:10
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so that was his origin kind of in horror but was this dry wise cracking adult humor duck and that drew people they loved so so Finding that out, I love seeing the little elements of horror that are brought into this movie and kind of build as we go.
00:26:34
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Like some of that transformation stuff going on with the demons, super cool stuff. It's very light because there's still younger audience, but... I'm watching it going like, man, this kind of taps into horror a little bit only to find out that his origins were horror. So I think that's awesome.
00:26:53
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And cosmic as well. Yeah. saying Very much. You love that. I guess. did Did he get a, did he get plenty of, uh, uh, yolks to crack? Wow.
00:27:06
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When he freaks out about the eggs at the diner. Mm-hmm. Oh, dude, I like I like it. Like, yeah, he freaks out. So the waitress takes the fucking food away. And then a minute later, when they're trying to get Jennings to help them, he's like, she took my eggs.
00:27:23
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He's got all these little these little random one-liners. says, yeah yeah then he's the world will come to an end as you know it. and She's like, okay, I'll take the food back like Jesus Christ. Wasn't that big of a deal?
00:27:34
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Well, dude, I heard you being a sensitive little bitch, man. They're chicken eggs, not duck eggs. like That's what I was thinking. They're chicken eggs. She didn't serve up duck eggs for breakfast. He's still a bird, brother. They'll eat whatever the fuck they're giving. They didn't show us any chickens in that PlayDog magazine, so I assume it's a separate race entirely. A separate breed.
00:27:54
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Hold on. ah this is this is This is a fair question, I think, posed to pose now. Are you going to eat like monkey stew? I'd try it.
00:28:05
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People eat monkey brains and stuff like that. the monkey but no and no Yeah, but i'm asking I'm asking Jonathan specifically since he since he's got the chicken picadillo.
00:28:17
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know. It depends on the situation, man. I mean, if I'm really hungry and it seems like it's prepared and safe to eat, I i might try it. Yeah? Yeah. It's another species. I might try it. Like, I might try some other type of animal, you know? Try some shark or... I agree. I'm there with you, bro....other weird animal. Maybe try some bat wing or something. don't I'll take a hammer and smash that monkey's head on the middle of the table and eat the bite. I don't want to go back to Yeah.
00:28:42
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I want to though, about Howard, though, I'm dum looking at the cover of Howard the Duck number one, and he looks like a Donald Duck, just with like more of a suit and tie action. like Yes. wait He was um he's originally in the comics, and I'm not a comic book reader. i'm just This is all research I did for the show, which I didn't write down. I'm just going off what I read, memory-wise.
00:29:01
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He had a Humphrey Bogart way of speaking in the comics at first. um that That was the intention, anyway. Yeah, like a, meh, say. Yeah, say. You fucked up, say.
00:29:11
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So when they got the ah the voice actor, because there was a lot of people that they cast or they actually cast Robin Williams. He was um on set. Yeah. He was on set for the film.
00:29:23
Speaker
And he quit. Yep. Which they say he quit and then went to Good Morning Vietnam. Oh, well. Wise decision that in his career. Yes. it worked That worked out well for him, I'd say. yeah yeah Good morning, movie Howard the Duck.
00:29:41
Speaker
Yeah. day Because the guy I was watching, Break It Down, he's basically like, that decision might have saved Robin Williams' career because he was in the major bust of a film, Popeye, right before this, and then he went on to do, was going to do Howard the Duck.
00:29:57
Speaker
And they said two failures like that in a row might have ended Robin Williams' career before it began. Popeye is another underrated movie, by the way. oh yeah, dude. Popeye.
00:30:08
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. thought the movie was awesome. I don't know why. Another failure at the box office. It's weird how these, like... You and Shelley Duvall, man, kicking ass. Some of these 80s movies... R.I.P. Duvall.
00:30:22
Speaker
And Robin Williams. And Robin Williams. Yeah, both. I remember where I was when when I found out he died. Really? I was at a Cracker Barrel. Straight up, I was sitting there with my ex-wife and I looked at my phone and I saw ah that Robin Williams and I was like, I told her and she was like, no. and We both just sat there with our Howard the Duck in front of us and just couldn't couldn't even couldn't even eat, man. like For real, it was devastating.
Legacy and Modern Perception
00:30:50
Speaker
That was the first time a celebrity death actually bothered me like on ah on a personal level. It was Chester Bennington for me. up That was the first time I felt it. Like, ugh.
00:31:05
Speaker
Powerful shit. Oh, shit. The day Dimebag died, when I found out Dimebag had passed away, dude, I was like, that whole day, i just didn't do shit. Couldn't do shit.
00:31:17
Speaker
Cheers to the real ones. cheer Cheers, cheers. Gotcha. My shot glass is out in the kitchen. All right, back to the character Howard the Duck.
00:31:29
Speaker
but We got real for a second. So the character arc in this film, is there much of a character arc for Howard? Kind of sort of, maybe, but not really. Not really.
00:31:40
Speaker
ah So I have questions about his character, because in the opening, it certainly seems that if he's not married, he certainly has a steady girlfriend. He has he' he's got several. way He's got several of them. yeah Yeah. Yeah. He's got those the postcard from like one woman on vacation. She's got the voicemail from this other girl. He's like, you need come over tonight and I'm to tell you about this dream. He's played, dude.
00:32:02
Speaker
Later on, when Leah Thompson looks in his fucking wallet, he's on the beach with two chicks. It might be those same two chicks. That's right. That's right. Oh. And you ain't carrying no condom, you damn fucking wallet, if you ain't going out to go do something with somebody. Mormon stuff. And you don't know who is going to.
00:32:19
Speaker
Maybe he's a, maybe he's a like go on. So like duck world seems to have a lot of the same shit that our world does. Yeah. Maybe, more maybe I was honestly thinking that while watching the movie, do they have like Jesus duck?
00:32:32
Speaker
Cause they have George Washington, Doug, Doug, Doug, Jesus and duck world. Yeah. So like, what if across and that opening narration, I wanted to say that door in my story part, Jesus quack nice.
00:32:45
Speaker
Um, at the beginning, the the narrator, there's a brief moment where the narrator talks after Howard is like in transit to earth. And he's like the cosmos across all reality there are on every world.
00:33:01
Speaker
What is reality here would be fantasy on every other world and blah, blah, blah. So I was like, what if there's, what if the story of Jesus And I was really sitting there thinking about this. What if the story of Jesus takes place on every world, but with just that world's, you know, main species in charge type thing or whatever?
00:33:23
Speaker
Like, so the progenitor of the species is Phil Z. Calls it at one point. There you go. Yeah, exactly. What if Howard the duck and him have a Jesus stuck?
00:33:34
Speaker
Jesus quack.
00:33:37
Speaker
if if you In the beginning, there was the great quack. The great quack. The big quack. He crucified on like a hook, like he like ah the the roasted ducks in the diner. Damn. Wait a second.
00:33:51
Speaker
You know, curb name and pop. Jesus Quack all roasted. There was the great quack, a sound so powerful it rippled across the cosmos, birthing galaxies, space babes, and sentient mallards.
00:34:05
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Along the celestial flapping of wings, the feathered one, almighty and unknowable, created Duck World, a planet eerily similar to Earth but populated entirely by anthropomorphic ducks with strong opinions and fashion sense.
00:34:22
Speaker
What is this? I pulled it up online. but but what idiot But what is that? Is that a real thing? but It's the gospel according to Mallard. The story of G's Drake, son of the feathered one.
00:34:35
Speaker
What is that? Oh my God. Is that real? is that like part of the thing howard duck um books Is that part of Howard the Duck lore? Oh, I don't think so. This is blowing my mind.
00:34:47
Speaker
this is blowing my mind Okay. Send it to you. Yeah, send it to me, dude. That's crazy. the The Howard the Duck character. So, but when I took my character score, I did it as characters.
00:35:00
Speaker
I used Howard, um Beverly. I know this is kind of whatever, but I used Jenning and I used, what's his name? Blumberg. Yeah, Phil. Sure.
00:35:11
Speaker
Yeah. Phil Z. Yeah. you I took those four because they seem to be like the main four ish that we follow. And I was like, what's their character arc like? And I'm like, well, Leah's a rocker.
00:35:24
Speaker
She seems empathetic. She never seems not empathetic towards people. She never really changes. ah howard She's so empathetic. She instantly is in love with Howard.
00:35:35
Speaker
Yeah, well, look at him. he Like he says, sex appeal. Some yeah people got it, some people don't. you know while he's While he's pulling tassels on her bandmates' uniforms and shit and slapping their butts. Yeah, dude.
00:35:48
Speaker
Blumberg or Filsey, I don't know his last name, but he doesn't really have much of a character arc other than you know, he, well, he changes from wanting to be famous to deciding to just help Howard for the sake of helping Howard.
00:36:02
Speaker
Although there's that one part during the, the, what what do you call that little aircraft that they're on? don't know. I just like a uniglider or something. Yeah. Whatever they're on. It's like a motor powered glider something.
00:36:16
Speaker
He, at one point when he's hanging off and the cops are right, like right underneath them, he's like, he kidnapped me. This duck's a lunatic. And Howard's like, what? Yeah. So he was ready to ship, like jump ship real quick. I'm like, damn, fucking Phil.
00:36:29
Speaker
butow But he, but he still remained, you know, he kind of changed and Jenning Jenning was ready to help Howard for moment one. Um, and it's not his fault. He got possessed. And then when he was unpossessed, he was back to his normal self. So he didn't, no one really changes here.
00:36:46
Speaker
Howard, Howard does make a crucial decision though, at the end of this movie. And that is maybe him changing to a degree. So I gave my score for character a three.
00:36:58
Speaker
It's right in the middle. And I only give it the three because Howard's the only character to me that has a big enough change that matters. Phil changes a little bit. Howard makes a big decision that alters hit him, his his life.
00:37:15
Speaker
So I'll give it a three for that. But That's about it. Yeah. Okay. Well, the big decision. Sorry. Go ahead, Jonathan. Oh, no. I just wanted to jump in because like I wanted to really jump off of that.
00:37:26
Speaker
um Go. So when you're thinking about terms of arc with Howard, you know, you see how his life is. He seems like he's doing good. He's got the little playboy thing going on. Comes to earth.
00:37:38
Speaker
Freak out. It's like, oh, my God, what am I do? And when he's talking to Beverly early on about his life and like how he had these dreams and he wanted to do all this and ended up taking a safe bet and taking this this copywriting job, you know, instead of living out his dreams, you know, and being doing whatever he wants.
00:37:57
Speaker
making that crucial decision after like finding a reason to stay because of the friendship and more that he finds in Beverly and, you know, the panic and like this need to find his destiny and finally finding it in defeating the dark overlord and saving earth and all this stuff. And who knows how many people he saved from doing that is like a sense of fulfillment in that way. Cause he found his destiny in that.
00:38:19
Speaker
And then none of that being the girls in their bands band manager, It helps him kind of get back to living those dreams of being in the music and everything. because He talks about that in her part. So I think that gives him a major sense of growth in that way.
00:38:32
Speaker
He also does say at one point, like you were saying, Jonathan, when he when he talks to her that one night about giving up on his past dreams, he says, but I still do feel like I have a bigger calling.
00:38:45
Speaker
somewhere like so that that might go towards what you're saying about the destiny he he does fulfill and it's like why am i here what know what is my destiny kind of thing so i mean i think it says a lot even making that decision to never who knows when he'll ever get home if he does you know still staying there still i think that was a huge thing for him to go through all that and still get that much out of it phil yeah still kind of a knob kind of a goofy boob but yeah He's still heing like going from being like just some lab assistant, now he gets to work with a major touring rock band, and he's in charge of all this stuff, which ah I will say, i thought it was kind of dumb. It's like, Phil, if you're running all this stuff for the show why are you in the crowd?
00:39:25
Speaker
like Once Howard's up there jamming out at the end, man it's like he's standing right there in front of the stage with all the rest of the the the fans or you know the people who are watching the show. It's like, dude, you should be backstage. Get the hell out of there. He's a fan, too.
00:39:36
Speaker
Wasn't he like dating Ronette or whatever? Yeah, he was dating one of the bandmates. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, Holly Robinson is KC. I've seen her a bunch of stuff growing up, too. Real quick point out because I just it's it's Tim fucking Robbins. We're talking about here.
00:39:52
Speaker
So when we say Phil, we're talking about Tim fucking Robbins. This was one of his first roles in a movie. Yep. Just saying. So Tim Robbins has some humble beginnings as well.
00:40:05
Speaker
Okay. Yep. the good how And Howard the Duck. Yeah, du you never know. Or some people get their starts in man. It's amazing. Kind of stuff you find. did Did we say who Leah Thompson is? She had a TV show in the 90s.
00:40:19
Speaker
Oh, she's the mom on Back to the Future. Yeah, if that's right. yeah that too yeah Which actually came out before this. Yeah. yeah um And then with with Beverly herself, you know, like wanting to get out of this shit life that she's living and try to really make something out of this music.
00:40:36
Speaker
And then Howard helping her get to that point, even after all the crazy shit they go to. But they end up like having more, they're strengthening their bond, even though they got in this big fight and he was being kind of a shitty dickhead. You know, there was like a growth in the sense of their connection to one another.
00:40:50
Speaker
And then her finally getting to achieve that dream of being a rock star. You know, all these people cheering the band, you know, instead of playing these like little shitholes, you know. got to get appreciate that as far as growth goes. And then Jennings, right. he He doesn't really have growth. He's just still a scientist who was possessed by an overlord.
00:41:07
Speaker
Dark overlord. Yeah. Can we talk about this? whole hands guy ah Can we talk about the scene real quick where Howard works at the fucking spa? Yeah. That reminded me of like the toxic Avenger a little bit. Yeah.
00:41:25
Speaker
ah yeah Oh yeah. Oops. I slipped. Howard mounts off to fucking Beverly for no good reason. He's frustrated because Phil's a jackass. and only but Yeah.
00:41:38
Speaker
He's a duck. And I think I'm reusing that one from earlier, but it's it's all right. Fuck it, man. Um, He mounts off to her at the water fountain and she's like, well, if that's the way you want it, ducky, then fine. And she walks away in a huff and he's all making caw caw sounds at people nearby to scare them away and shit.
00:42:04
Speaker
This is Howard like in the midst of his frustration. And so he's like lashing out and he's saying he doesn't need anybody. So he does try to make his own way. He gets in that. It's that scene where he goes to the, um,
00:42:17
Speaker
I don't know what you call that office where you go to apply for a job. Unemployment. ah unemployment and but but and I guess, but he doesn't want unemployment. He wants a job. He is not phased at all that he is a duck.
00:42:29
Speaker
No. no She's like, you think you could look like this and you can't work? No, I'm find you a job. yeah I love Yeah, she's awesome. And she finds him a job. I can deal with special cases.
00:42:42
Speaker
He's walking through that place, that dirty, nasty spa, and there's like almost topless chicks. There's people running around fucking grab-assing. And he's like, I've got towels. i've got And he sees people running and kissing. He's like, I've got antibiotics.
00:42:57
Speaker
Yeah. or whatever he says, like, I like that Howard made the effort. The whole reason I bring this up is part of the character thing. He does make an effort in this really, he's, dude, imagine you're just in another world, and but you're going to try to get a job.
00:43:19
Speaker
Thank God he speaks English like they do. The duck's English. Speaking of when Tim Robbins first sees him and starts to do a Donald Duck impression to talk to him. Oh, jeez. That was so shitty. Oh, God.
00:43:32
Speaker
I like Howard's retort to him. forget what he says, but he doesn't. Like, clearly we're working with one of the highly intelligent people. Yeah. And it gets, it's like, oh, Tim Robbins starts using a tape recorder.
00:43:45
Speaker
Highly intelligent. hu He can't even like, and I like the fact that ah Beverly gets gets mad too. She's like, God damn, my friend's treating you like an asshole.
00:43:56
Speaker
You know? Yeah. Like the fuck? Sorry, the scene popped in my head, and I just wanted to get it out there in case we didn't talk about it. That's cool. you got You guys are convincing me to elevate my score a little bit.
00:44:08
Speaker
little bit.
00:44:11
Speaker
Evan? There's some stuff in here, man. Oh, you know what? you know There's some ah some other growth in that movie. All those people in that diner, don't fuck with weird shit you don't know anything about, man.
00:44:24
Speaker
Because all those people about got muffed up super bad. if I saw a duck, man, I would definitely be looking. but I don't think I would approach the duck man. I wouldn't try to put him on a block to chop him up. no that's my next level. Stupid crazy balls. Like idiot people at some point.
00:44:41
Speaker
but I think, I think later towards like a little bit later, we need to really talk about this diner scene. Oh, we got it. There's lot to break down in that. Yes. Yes.
00:44:54
Speaker
Evan, what are your thoughts, buddy? I think I've got all my ducks in a row.
00:45:01
Speaker
Yeah. yeah is I gave it a three. ah And, you know, hearing and you guys talk about all these other character developments, I'm feeling like shit because I didn't think of it.
00:45:15
Speaker
I was just kind of going off of Howard's story. yeah You know, being him the main character.
00:45:23
Speaker
he seemed ah pretty similar to how he was in fucking on duck world you know when he got to earth there wasn't much growth until the very end um
00:45:40
Speaker
there were some parts that you know when he became an uh uh towards uh leah thompson ah is that right yeah yeah Yeah, Beverly. yeah yeah Yeah, Beverly. When he started being an asshole towards her, i mean, that was a little bit of a kind of, meh.
00:45:57
Speaker
Shit happens. um But then at the very end, yeah, he he saved it. and I would have put it as a two- For his character development, just kind of because he knocked it down, but ah he got a three.
00:46:12
Speaker
What the flock, man? What the flock? Hey, you guys... You guys convinced me to come up a little bit because i was at a one. was... Ooh, shit. Because I was with Travis when he started talking, and he was like, you know, people are kind of the same at the end of this movie that they are at the beginning. And I'm like, yes, they are.
00:46:34
Speaker
Which is fine. I think it's fine for this kind of movie, but there is no really big arc, big emotional moments of redemption or growth or anything other than, like you said, when he makes the big decision at the end to not return to Duck World.
00:46:56
Speaker
Yeah. and I wish there was more showing us why he makes that decision. i like i get it That's all there.
00:47:08
Speaker
But I'm not looking for that. um ah like When was that emotional revelation that he's like, you know what? This girl is worth leaving my world for i think i think with a movie this old so like now we're kind of used to that and i and i'm not meaning this in any kind of offensive way i'm saying like i like this shit too when they show you the character making that decision But sometimes back in the day, there might not have been this moment where it was this spoon fed.
00:47:40
Speaker
You know what I'm saying? Like, like, like the moment clicks in the character's head and you could tell I'm using signs as as an example. There's a clear moment that's spoon fed where ah Mel Gibson realizes everything he has been absorbing throughout the last year or so since his wife died and the things that have been being said to him by other characters and the the music is all a part of it and everything's a part of it. i'm I'm getting goosebumps saying it because that's how good it is and that's how much I like that.
00:48:11
Speaker
Some of these older movies, even in the 80s, not all of them, but some of them don't do that thing. I think in Howard's case, It was just a split decision. It was like, well, these things are already coming and I'm not going to be able to get back. So fuck it. Instead of, you know, not doing the damn thing, I'm going to do the damn thing and blow this motherfucker up.
00:48:33
Speaker
I'm going seal my fate. And you know what? It's okay because this chick digs the fuck out of me. This gives me something to pose to you, Tim. Yeah. How about for the character section of the of the the scorecard, it it's not solely focused on an arc.
00:48:53
Speaker
what if sometimes What if it's included, it's just the characters themselves, just how you like the characters? If it already is, then i read it then i'm I misinterpreted it or read it wrong.
00:49:04
Speaker
But like, because how you said, sometimes it's fine that they don't change. Because maybe the character you like doesn't have to change. Maybe their character is great from the start to finish. Even if they don't have this change in their character. they Maybe they're not supposed to.
00:49:19
Speaker
yeah Maybe not. and Or you know maybe they just don't. So maybe that could also be a valid way to score a character. You know what i'm saying? I know some people do score it that way.
00:49:31
Speaker
Just personally. I think for me, I'm always... Maybe not always, but I don't even want to say moral lesson, but there's like that thesis statement a movie makes.
00:49:46
Speaker
or should make that separates it from just being meh to something a little bit better. And I tend to think that comes in a character arc, that thesis or that moment of revelation, whether it's Doc Ock betraying Spider-Man and that emotional moment of this guy that I idolize is someone I have to take out or whether it's the opposite of like Joaquin Phoenix's Joker turning.
00:50:18
Speaker
There's this growth and this trajectory of a character that I think separates a movie from in the scorecard. I don't think a character staying the same the entire film is amazing.
00:50:36
Speaker
I think there should be some kind of lesson, something learned, something observed. But that's me. If you want to score this card, if you want say this personal thing got you yeah got you if you want to score this card because you think all these characters are great, by all means, go do that.
00:50:54
Speaker
ah I personally do it on the arc because I want that kind of journey. I want that emotional journey and that satisfaction at the end. But you made ah a You made a point of him making that decision. So I said I was really low at first.
00:51:11
Speaker
And I do see that they go on a journey, whether it's so much so as they're different at the end than they were at the beginning. I don't know about that. But they do go through a journey. They fight.
00:51:22
Speaker
They separate. They return to each other. So there is that struggle in their arc. So you you convinced me. I can't i came up. I did come up. I'm not not as harsh on that.
00:51:35
Speaker
i did I'm glad your score came up. Otherwise, I might have to get a little foul with you. I'm a three. I came up to a three on it. I won't um say that these all these characters in this particular movie... So, like, I only brought that up based on what you said, like, my my my caveat to the character score.
00:51:56
Speaker
I personally would not say that any of these characters are, like, a five. I would only... ah they They play a part in the overall, which we'll get to at the end, that makes the movie the movie.
00:52:10
Speaker
Um... But yeah yeah, I'm aligned with you on this one here. It's a three, and it's because of the few little things, but I don't know if we heard from Mr. Cusick. I'm a four, sir.
00:52:21
Speaker
You in a second. Oh, a four? I am a four. All right. You gave your score, my bad. On to the music and sound design.
00:52:32
Speaker
Oh, yeah, buddy. so Music and sound design. The fun part of this one, ah Leah Thompson sang the songs in this movie. awesome with she did the with the band cherry bomb uh she had to take some singing lessons for the film and during the production they weren't even sure that they were going to use her voice they kind of told her on set that she could be she couldn't have dubbed
00:53:04
Speaker
couldn't Could end up being dubbed in the final production. But they kept her voice. She performed those songs. She learned the instruments. She said the dancing portion wasn't hard for her at all.
00:53:17
Speaker
Because she'd been dancing before. But the ah the singing was new. The singing was new for her. So I think that stands out in a pretty cool little element of the movie. Because it's not bad.
00:53:31
Speaker
No, she did a good job. Yeah, her music's not bad, right? Yeah. I looked it up to add the
00:53:38
Speaker
ah hungry Hungry in the City, I think, is the first song. I looked it up to add it to a playlist because it it wasn't bad when they're when he first lands in New York and they're meeting all the street gangs and all that.
00:53:50
Speaker
Hunger City. Hunger City, that's it. That's it. Yeah, I actually kind of enjoyed that song. Me too. Yeah. But the the rest of the music composed by John Barry.
00:54:02
Speaker
he did a lot of work for ah he did. i don't know if he composed it. He's done a lot in the music department.
00:54:14
Speaker
um He did a lot of TV TV movies shorts.
00:54:24
Speaker
He did dances with wolves. Hmm. while i i i try to dance with wolves every now and again, but they quack me up. ah Evan.
00:54:37
Speaker
Evan. He did a couple of Duran Duran music videos. I'm out. You're running afoul. o yes sir Yes, sir. I use it a different way than what Jonathan did. It works. yeah He composed the music for Octopussy.
00:54:55
Speaker
The James Bond film. but yeah, Moonraker he did he did some James Bond films so the music itself I think is fine it's definitely not bad I like, I think the addition of Leah Thompson actually singing the song she performs is a plus I think that adds to the movie a little bit yeah I think it's cool ah so that helps but the the rest of the movie is pretty standard fare for an adventure film
00:55:27
Speaker
Yeah, it did it's it's got a lot of com composed stuff to it but then a lot of other actual like soundtrack stuff. like think there's like a whole thing that got like three, four CDs of it for everything that's in there. But for me, like Howard the Duck, that song at the end, like I will always remember that song.
00:55:42
Speaker
It's amazing. the it's amazing And what what really peaks for me on it also is the fact that it was also co-produced by the Grand High Priest of Funk, George Clinton.
00:55:56
Speaker
Damn.
00:55:59
Speaker
Wow. George Clinton Funk, bro. And the Parliament Funk, dude. par Parliament Funkadelic, baby. Parliament Funkadelic, man. So, like... having that, like ah him being part of it, like you definitely hear the influence of his stuff in that song, especially with some of the key stuff.
00:56:14
Speaker
And I think, and I just think that kicks ass, dude. did Did they do maggot head? that Was that parliament or am I tripping? I don't know. I'd have to look at their discography, see what's going on.
00:56:28
Speaker
It's a song. I think,
00:56:31
Speaker
I like the song Atomic Dog that George Clinton did, though. that That was pretty cool. And do fries go with that shake? That's pretty rad song, too. I like when ah like when old Greg talks talks about Parliament. Some deep cuts right there. So what you gave the score, though?
00:56:47
Speaker
some deep cuts right there
00:56:51
Speaker
so what you gave the score though Oh, I didn't give a score. I was just saying, I just talking about George Clinton. Oh, we we've been waiting until everybody talks to drop a score.
00:57:02
Speaker
Oh, we're doing that. All right. Yeah. I wasn't going to correct you. You can do whenever you want, but that's, that's what John and I've been doing lately. My bad. A lot of the, all the music though in general, though, I think it, it, did they, I think it all fits the scenes very well. I think, uh, the way that John Barry and lot of the contributors did for the soundtrack was pretty good.
00:57:20
Speaker
Um, good collaboration stuff, you know, and then it was it like Sylvester LeVay also. and then, I mean, do you just look at like the original score from John Barry for the disc one of like the release for it?
00:57:32
Speaker
Lullaby of Duckland, Disco Duckland, got beak jobs and tail tucks. You're the duckiest. Yeah. uh ascent of duck man's oldest fit with those fancy yeah lonely duck so long ducky duck like i i presume this is all from the soundtrack of the movie these these are titles these are these are titles of tracks from the soundtrack yeah one's called take his clothes off hard-boiled egg um my give me the key howard filthy scum bucket Yeah, Jennings as Dark Overlord.
00:58:06
Speaker
All this stuff. stuff And there's a lot of like crazy stuff. Howard's Bar Brawl. There's a whole bunch of alternate scores and cues and stuff. There's a whole lot of stuff. Master of Quack-Fu?
00:58:17
Speaker
Yeah, it's yeah it's like three it's a three-disc release of all the different stuff and all collab music and all this the score stuff. It's this pretty cool, man. Nice. Alternate versions. Yeah.
00:58:33
Speaker
Yeah, besides the band stuff, the music didn't stand out to me like at all, at all. Like it's serviceable. um Hearing y'all talk so lovingly about it, it makes me want to kind of listen to the music on its own to see if like, oh, maybe next time I watch the movie, I'll hear it.
00:58:54
Speaker
So like, and ah well, I know you're saying do it at the end, Tim. I got to just do me, baby. All right. Do you do you? I gave it a book. I guess. No, no, because because I yell at them for doing it wrong all the time. They they still do shit wrong.
00:59:14
Speaker
Dammit, Travis. I'll save it for the end, but I found it serviceable. um And that's really all I could say about the music. I didn't have a lot for the music part other than i do like the band scenes.
00:59:26
Speaker
When I was watching it, i did I know it was Leah Thompson? No. Did I think it was Leah Thompson? Yeah. I thought it was her because it looks natural and it sounds like her voice, kind of. Yeah. Now, it doesn't sound like she has...
00:59:40
Speaker
a super distinct style. She almost is like speak singing to a degree, um but still very well done, especially the part where she doesn't know that Howard snuck back into the bar and she's singing that sad song. And she's like, this is depressing.
00:59:56
Speaker
Give me a beat, you know, and they change it up. But ah she was doing really good for that for that depressing song. Yeah. um Everything else is just, it's it's fair. fair Howard the Duck, to me, the movie, doesn't have a distinguished theme.
01:00:16
Speaker
like Like how you could think of Lord of the Rings and hear a theme in your head or Harry Potter or Nightmare on Elm Street or even, you know, whatever. You could hear The Shining.
01:00:27
Speaker
turn down down down You can hear a theme. Howard the Duck, I don't hear a theme in my head. I can hear, in the beginning, there was Howard the Duck.
01:00:40
Speaker
But that's about it, and that's a guy talking. They dropped the best theme at the end when Leah Thompson sings, it's Howard the Duck. like That yeah song's a banger. That's an earworm.
01:00:51
Speaker
It's in my head. and they waited until the end. Is that the same melody that when she was like peeking in on him when he was shaking his tail feathers and he was playing that little part on the piano, the keyboard?
01:01:04
Speaker
Is that the same theme from the Howard the Duck song that's at the end? Like the same notes and stuff. He's playing on the keyboard. Yeah. When he, when he turns on the little, no, it's not.
01:01:14
Speaker
Okay. No, I have. So the last couple of times I watched it, I started to pick up on elements of a theme that it's just not remarkable. it plays they have a romance theme between leah and howard and that's the most recognizable part that comes back but it's just not like i couldn't describe it to you right now i just know that like oh that played earlier like that that's it it's pretty it's not bad like you said the music is serviceable in this movie and it works but that's the closest they get to a theme which is a shame when they had leah thompson singing howard the duck at the end and that song's a banger so
01:01:53
Speaker
I just want to point out that the diner scene is starting in the background. The diner's. Yeah. Biggest nose. I've seen is the crux. Apparently it's the fucking, the acidest movie.
01:02:06
Speaker
and And when I say ass, I mean, that is a good thing. Like that's that. That's that. Yeah. Yeah. Evan, it's all you. evan and's all you
01:02:17
Speaker
so
01:02:21
Speaker
i might I guess I messed up. I thought a little bit more highly of the music, but that's... a yeah I don't know if you guys ever saw the movie... didn't mess up, bro. You break this how you want.
01:02:33
Speaker
You like it. Strange Days with ah Juliette Lewis and Ralph Fiennes.
01:02:40
Speaker
I have not. She she reminded me... What? To watch that movie....a bit of Juliette Lewis. To the point that I thought really highly of it because I also think highly of Juliette Lewis. So i'm gonna I gave it a five.
01:02:55
Speaker
Do I know who Juliette Lewis is? is No, I know Juliette Lewis. i don't I've never seen that movie. Strange Days. Oh, Strange Days, man. It's a fucking hard watch. Yeah, I watched that in the late 90s. If you watch it, man, go for it.
01:03:09
Speaker
i I recommend watching it. yeah i I know her from Yellow Jackets. Wow. I know her from Natural Born Killers. Yeah. And other and and other movies came from that era. Yeah.
01:03:21
Speaker
From Dusk Till Dawn. From Dusk Till Dawn. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But just the way that, you know, Leah Thompson reminded me, ah almost a similarity to, well, I guess it would be Juliette Lewis ah is similar to her from this um when she did that role.
01:03:40
Speaker
was their tones of their music and the way they sound is so kind of hypnotic to me, I guess. don't fucking know. But I was down for it. And until it was, well, what the hell is going on over there?
01:03:55
Speaker
was like, man, you just kind of put me out of the scene for a second, but keep on singing. Um, but yeah, I gave it a five out of five. It was quack-tastic.
01:04:08
Speaker
Uh, um don't have too much I have too much to go beyond that. Other than I like Leah Thompson. She's fucking gorgeous, man. So we were four, five.
01:04:21
Speaker
Is that right, Travis? You were four? Three. Three. For the music and sound design? Yeah. Okay. Well, wait. Ooh, sound design. I mean, the sound design's awesome.
01:04:34
Speaker
ah Average that in there. Yeah. Four. Yeah. Yeah, four. Okay. But, ah yeah, i was I was sitting at a three as well. but And i also want to add um the the band Cherry Bomb for the ladies and movie, even though it wass fictional for them. There was actually a band called Cherry Bomb.
01:04:52
Speaker
Yeah. They're actually called Hey Violet now. But my buddy's band, Arcane Framework, opened up for them at the Cobra Lounge in Chicago one time. And we got to meet them and hang out with them for a bit. One of them was supposed to be, I guess, like the daughter of a famous...
01:05:05
Speaker
Performer or something. But yeah. Oh, nice. Very nice. Very nice. mirror Did they close with Howard the Duck?
01:05:16
Speaker
Not so much. That would have been cool, though. But another cherry bomb that was out there in the world out of a few different iterations of it. All right. I was a three on the music as well. So here is the one.
01:05:29
Speaker
ah I should have quite a bit to say the editing and special effects. So I think the biggest complaint people had about this movie was not the special effects itself, but the fact that Howard the duck doesn't look anything like his comic book character.
01:05:48
Speaker
I think that was the biggest complaint. He, there are distinct moments that he's a puppet distinct moments that there's a man in a suit. well I think they do a pretty good job of keeping it consistent. That puppet arms are a little thinner, like shoulders aren't quite as wide.
01:06:08
Speaker
Doesn't bother me. I'm never taken out of the movie by it. I think they do a fantastic job of hiding that in it. The suit itself? Insane.
01:06:20
Speaker
Yeah, the feathers don't look real. Whatever. The expression they're able to get on that animatronic face is so good. Yeah, that $2 million puppetry equipment. Yes.
01:06:34
Speaker
That opening scene of him, like he's barely speaking and he's like turning through pages or TV and he's like, whoa, like facial expressions. i was like, that is awesome.
01:06:45
Speaker
That is so good. there's some There's one scene in the diner when he elevates and spins around in the air. ah You can see the shadow of the arm that he's attached to on the ceiling. Oh, oh really? You can see that. I was look out for that.
01:07:02
Speaker
yeah it's pretty I think it's cool, but I'm like, oh, they missed the shadow. but but This was also the first movie. to use computer effects to remove wires.
01:07:16
Speaker
So when he gets sucked through in his recliner through the building, that's all practical. That recliner was on a wire contraption and pulled through those walls and fast and they used computer technology to remove the wires and this was the first movie to do that and they're talking about like now every TV show with an action scene will do something like that but this was the first time it was done so that was awesome the puppet I think they said there were seven different versions of Howard that were used throughout the film which is insane
01:07:55
Speaker
Especially if each one costs $2 million dollars or I owes $2 million dollars total for all the puppets. I don't know. But I think the puppetry is super cool.
01:08:06
Speaker
I actually think the special effects with the lasers and the computers are on par with anything Marvel's doing at the moment. And i but not quite.
01:08:18
Speaker
hopeful It's a big claim. It's shots fired. That's what that was. um Hot take. the They're a little cheesy, but in this movie,
01:08:32
Speaker
I think they were pretty good for the 80s, but in this movie, it's charming. It's got the 80s charm. Yeah. i love Practical effects mixed with like the new age technology stuff. Yes. What I love is that they used it like the computer was lasers.
01:08:49
Speaker
But that giant demon monster at the end was puppet instead of computer. And I love that. I'm glad that puppet at the end is awesome.
01:09:00
Speaker
See, I thought that was like a stop frame animatronic kind of puppet. It is. of like the green screen and like the articulation and the frame rate of it. That's what I thought too. I thought that was you know ah an adjustable puppet that they're doing just you know shot by shot of. and It looked like it articulated really well. well yeah i mean I thought that was pretty rad. No, I think you're right. I think it's stop motion, but it's fantastic.
01:09:23
Speaker
Yeah, frame rate and stuff. It looks a little different quality-wise in the shot. i't I watched it on Blu-ray and it's definitely noticeable there, but it's still so cool to see because something like that will always be more real than CGI screen.
01:09:44
Speaker
Um... especially the way they get shots of that stop motion and a tentacle flying. And then it would cut to a closer shot where you see the tentacle interact with Leah Thompson or buttons in that room.
01:09:58
Speaker
I, I love the effects that hang glider scene, even though I don't really care for the scene, they actually flew that to get the shots. That's all real. They were flying that thing.
01:10:11
Speaker
They don't make movies like that anymore. Hell no, cousin. some Some shots in like maybe John Wick or Fast and Furious, but like that's about it. Yeah. or Yeah, and Fast and Furious when he's ah hanging off that cliff. Mission Impossible, yeah.
01:10:28
Speaker
Yeah. But yeah, that that is lost today. And I love that. The effects are one of the areas where you watch this movie and you go it had a budget. It had a good budget, big budget, and it looks good. i still think um George was quoted telling the cast and crew when the reviews came out, they weren't feeling great.
01:10:52
Speaker
So George was quoted by one of them saying that he said in 25 years, our movie is still going to look good and people will be talking about it. And here we are. Here we are.
01:11:03
Speaker
He was right because almost 25 years ago to the... I don't want to say to date, this movie got a resurgence after Howard the Duck appeared at the end of Guardians of the Galaxy.
01:11:16
Speaker
you Yeah, I was going to see what you guys thought about like that version of him. yeah so That version is more comic accurate. Yeah. Which is why people didn't like this movie.
01:11:27
Speaker
like Howard the Duck fans didn't like this movie because it wasn't comic book accurate. Even though the story is very similar, Howard was not similar. But the Guardians version...
01:11:39
Speaker
Looked like the guy from the comics. I'm curious. I kind of want to read the original Howard comics and see that after talking about all this, um I might shop it on Amazon and see if there's a omnibus or something available.
01:11:52
Speaker
But yeah, the effects of this movie are awesome. And we are at the diner scene, which has the beginning of his transformation into demon possession. And Oh, Hey, there it is. Ready? Ready?
01:12:08
Speaker
Yeah, dude. So the shadow up here when you start spinning around, but the the diner scene is an okay. It's not there. for it. Is it there?
01:12:26
Speaker
No doubt. That's a good shot. Next one.
01:12:33
Speaker
i just like it's hanging from the back of the jacket oh yep but you you saw it on that one shot that that's where it is but yeah anyways i have nothing bad to say about the effects of this movie anything weak on them is just charm at this point yeah
01:12:51
Speaker
i'd be i'd be echoing you on everything you said i mean honestly like and jonathan mentioned the cars exploding earlier um there's a shot where they are backed up in traffic where jenning possessed jenning is driving that fucking 18 wheeler yeah he's bumping into everybody and he gets the fucking sphinx titty laser eyes going and he blows up all the cars in front of him fucking lasers that cop dude and like disintegrates that cop oh my god yeah from the diner scene on where his his powers just keep growing and the way it looks again is that it's it is is the 80s charm of those special effects that it almost doesn't matter how how much they age they still look good they just look good and uh yeah again i'd just be echoing everything and also when it comes to that's all the special effect the editing of the movie is great too i have nothing wrong with the the editing or like um
01:13:51
Speaker
there's There's a little bit with the pacing could be different, right? With the ah the that glider scene. me but For me, it's not enough to take away from my overall score that I'm going to give this section. So I'll just like bow out because I agree with everything you said to him. Like the special effects are top notch 80s.
01:14:14
Speaker
Awesome sauce.
01:14:18
Speaker
I was a big fan of like the the spinning ah a cleaver throughout the diner. ah oh yeah. I was controlling that and was flipping around and like cutting wires and all sorts stuff.
01:14:29
Speaker
I enjoyed that. as pretty Everyone's all freaking out. like at my gosh to you you know Leah Thompson almost like gets taken out by it. She's like, oh, shit. It's a time. When Jennings is leaving the diner, you see him do the hands and you the clusters of everything from the doors that yank out.
01:14:46
Speaker
think that's another one of those like cable pull scenes you know yeah leave those out yeah i do like i do like his animatronic tongue that comes out of his mouth yeah um oh yeah where that happens at but oh and hear the girl he drives it at nuclear facility too and he's like opening all the doors and like blowing everything up to get into that fucking reactor so he could absorb all that nuclear power Which, do all the overlords need to fucking do that too after they inhabit a human body? Because his whole goal... I can't get into the semantics of the overlord stuff because i don't get it.
Plot Confusion and Special Effects Critique
01:15:26
Speaker
I don't get it. Why why is he possessed by an overlord telling them that I need to get more overlords in here, stop me from getting more overlords so I can let them... I'm not tracking. I don't understand why he tells them his evil plan and then they are like, oh yeah, we should help him open the laser because that's when I need to go back. like I don't get it.
01:15:50
Speaker
I don't get it. Yeah. I like you're talking about that with the, when the tongue thing comes out, when they're in the truck and he's like, I need energy or power or whatever. And then like, you see like the weird head they have, like, it's a quick shot while the thing's coming out of his tongue, out of his mouth as a tongue.
01:16:06
Speaker
And then he sticks it in like the the lighter socket in order to get the energy in the truck.
01:16:12
Speaker
I don't like thinking about Jeffrey Jones's tongue being that long.
01:16:23
Speaker
and mean now um ah The whole podcast came to a halt. i was just picturing Jeffrey Jones' tongue. I was, dude. Oh, Lordy.
01:16:36
Speaker
Sorry, y'all. So as for that oh you's good editing special effects, yeah, I'm kind of agreeing all the way through with Tim, Travis. ah is It was well done.
01:16:48
Speaker
um I guess I wasn't too high on it because There were times, ah as i was paying attention, if you really just sit there and look at like Howard um and you look at other things, you're like, man, to these days' standards, it doesn't flow as well.
01:17:07
Speaker
um You could tell that Howard had pockets at one point on his suit. You could tell he got dip when he got thrown in that water, you could see the costume had ah pockets.
01:17:20
Speaker
I didn't notice that. Oh. But also, I'm impressed that they threw somebody in water wearing a costume. That's a choking hazard. Yeah, he definitely wanted it to be a duck out of water at that point.
01:17:32
Speaker
yeah And somehow he was able to, when he came up from that, he was able to spit water out of his beak. get impressive There had to have been some kind of rig going on there.
01:17:44
Speaker
yeah same thing that would you say you're saying His eyes are right there in his ah in his beak. Yeah. um So he's... But all in all, yeah, i I didn't think too highly of it, but that's just because I've gotten kind of ruined on ah nowadays movies and
01:18:07
Speaker
Other practical effects, which is what this one was a little bit more, I thought. I guess... Yeah, I kind of went a little bit low on it, but I'll look higher on it after hearing you guys.
01:18:20
Speaker
Okay. I was... i We can come in with the scores. I was a four on the effects. I was a five. Same for... That was a three. well that's all That's all right. That's all right. All the script.
01:18:37
Speaker
i I'll be honest. Okay, I'll go first, and then maybe you can change my mind by the time the scores come.
01:18:46
Speaker
This movie...
01:18:50
Speaker
ah The script is rough, man. The script is rough. i Like I said, I don't exactly understand these overlords. I don't follow.
01:19:01
Speaker
i don't get it. And I tried. each time I try to get it, I probably zone out over the part that I need to hear to totally understand it. But
Overlord Plot Analysis
01:19:11
Speaker
the script has multiple points when i zone out.
01:19:14
Speaker
The first time they visit the scientists, I zone out for a little bit until they're in the museum area, I think. and it gets pretty funny but multiple times I zone out I think the strongest part of the script is the setup at the beginning Howard dealing with the girl's manager all of that I love all of that the jokes about the world about Howard seeing earth I wish they leaned into either more jokes about Howard being a duck
01:19:50
Speaker
in like some people just don't react enough to the fact that he's a duck so like in the diamond scene he should howard howard should have told the waitress you could put that on my bill ah ah i part of me almost wishes they had leaned into that like self-aware so the comic was very self-aware that sense of humor kind of made fun of itself and I wish this movie had leaned a little bit into that i find this movie humorous not funny
01:20:26
Speaker
if that like I don't laugh at this movie, but I find it zany, fun. So the humor doesn't always land for me.
01:20:38
Speaker
The villain motivations, i I honestly just wish the overlords weren't in this movie. I can explain i can explain that to you. Okay. I like something.
01:20:50
Speaker
ah this is my understanding of it. The scientists were doing experiments, opened up some portal in space. Yeah. One overload came in. Yeah.
01:21:03
Speaker
Possessed Jenny. Yeah. And now he's been grown in there and he wants to open it up to let more in. Yeah. but he But he needs other human occupants.
01:21:16
Speaker
To possess. Yeah, because when they come to Earth, they have to possess a human and grow inside of before they can hatch, kind of. Yeah, that's right. Kind of like a xenomorph.
01:21:28
Speaker
That's right. I just think it's all a little clunky. And yeah, well, in in that department, just add a little extra to that. So there is the initial experiment where they reached the beam out to try and pull something from another place.
01:21:40
Speaker
And while they're doing so, there's an energy surge of some kind that pulled it away from where they directed it to. And it directed it to Howard's planet. And it turned out to be that dark lore or Lord trying to influence it to find a way out of his realm.
01:21:55
Speaker
And so when Jennings comes back to fire up a second time to try and get Howard home, that's when everything goes back shit crazy, the explosion, and then Jennings gets inhabited. Okay.
01:22:06
Speaker
Okay. See, we all just learned something. Yeah, because that's something i didn't quite understand, too. At the beginning, when we talked about what they were even doing, I was like, I don't even know what they're doing. They're pulling shit from other parts of the universe. Like, why or how? Yeah.
01:22:21
Speaker
But I guess it was interrupted by Marvel magic, like some dark over because the dark overlord does say that their section of the universe is beyond the
George Lucas's Involvement and Production Challenges
01:22:31
Speaker
stars and it's a dimension inhabited by demons.
01:22:35
Speaker
So it's like this is some other place farther out in space than we can even fathom. And there's just those nasty crab looking Jason versus the organauts things out there, you know, like whatever the fuck those things are. Stop. I'm saying that because the stop motions with vertical mouths.
01:22:56
Speaker
Yeah, to they got vagina mouths. That I was good. That's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking. I would say the the dark overlord, though, I feel like I saw a similar iteration of that creature in men in black.
01:23:10
Speaker
Oh, They're actually connected. The always same universe what world iris is that this script was by the the same people who worked with ah George Lucas a lot. ah Gloria Katz, you were saying she worked with Lucas a lot. American graffiti, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. Mm-hmm.
01:23:41
Speaker
So people had what? Indie reference like at the beginning of the movie with the three years of last. I was about to say, is that why they had so much George Lucas shit in the beginning?
01:23:51
Speaker
that's what's bad So George Lucas was a big fan of the Howard the Duck comet comic and he wanted to make this movie ah after Star Wars.
01:24:02
Speaker
After American Graffiti. Yeah, that's right. And then he was doing Star Wars, so he shelved it. he He wasn't really working on it. They have rights issues where another studio was the studio making the Incredible Hulk TV show had the rights to make a Howard the Duck TV show in the 70s.
01:24:23
Speaker
They never did anything with it. But because of that, George Lucas waited. he kind of just forgot about it, wasn't worried about it. He made Indiana Jones instead. He made empires like Empire Strikes Back.
01:24:38
Speaker
By the time the rights were available, he was finishing Return of the Jedi. And that's when he was like, I'll produce this movie. But by this point, he was going through a nasty divorce with his wife because he'd spent the last 10 years of his life making Star Wars.
01:24:55
Speaker
And he was done with movies. But he definitely produced it. But he worked with these people and that's part of the anticipation people had coming into it this is the team that has done star wars indiana jones and howard the duck was the judge george lucas to his wife is like bitch you don't recognize greatness look at this look at what i've done i'm a cultural phenomenon god damn it i'm worth a billion dollars you leaving me what the fuck you one she's taking half of it wait oh i'm sorry he would say like this
01:25:31
Speaker
Bitch, you don't realize I'm worth a billion dollars?
01:25:36
Speaker
George Lee is such a nerd. So it is surprising to start some cocaine with with Harrison Ford. you do cocaine Luke Skywalker's doing a ah rail off of fucking Leah's ass.
01:25:49
Speaker
Okay. I'm sorry, man. You asked me to be here. No, I wanted you here. I was just picturing that scene. Yeah.
01:26:01
Speaker
We're about to patant on. she was She was in the metal bikini. i thought they smelled that on the outside. ha
Script and Pacing Issues
01:26:11
Speaker
oh Wait till you get inside there.
01:26:14
Speaker
and He's saying all this to his wife. She's like, you see why I want a divorce, George? You see why want a divorce? George, georgia just sign the paper. Somebody on my wife.
01:26:32
Speaker
or That seems less fun. oh George Lucas can't be pulling no hits on his wife because god damn.
01:26:45
Speaker
Shit. But that's that's my thought on the script that the humor doesn't always land for me. Things aren't always explained and super clearly. ah Yeah. after I want more puns. Honestly, i want more puns.
01:27:01
Speaker
and Lean into the self-aware humor. It would have been nice a little bit, yeah. Some of the parts with the script, though, like, I don't know, man. so like I enjoyed the most of it for the most part, but like some parts I just think quite... honest like If Jennings, like when he's being taken over, if it's infiltrated every cell of his body and it has taken over his body...
01:27:20
Speaker
I don't understand how like being shot with a laser is supposed to magically separate them, and then the Overlord being his full ginormous friggin' form. ah don't I'm not sure if that's a power thing. That's laser magic, bro.
01:27:35
Speaker
Laser magic, yeah, sure. we don't understand that. And then Jennings completely intact with like no damage anymore, not looking... sunken up and messed up and i don't know dude like I just that part was kind of he slowly looks more and more like Rick from Rick and Morty as the movie goes on kind of do yeah I thought the same thing earlier was like damn this motherfucker looks like he's about to be like listen Beverly I'm about to bring down the dark overlords Howard's like oh geez Jennings no
01:28:11
Speaker
That would be Phil talking like that, yeah. Oh, Phil? Oh, yeah, okay. That would be Phil in that role. Mm-hmm. Yeah, what I agree with what Tim. like
01:28:24
Speaker
the movie Yeah, so the movie overall, but we'll get to that, but like the the script itself... There's parts of it that are really good and then there's parts of it that like ah again, maybe when I was a kid I laughed at it more but like on and subsequent rewatches i just find it like he said humorous.
01:28:42
Speaker
I don't laugh. i laughed out loud probably twice watching it earlier today. one of the parts I laughed out loud was that guy that says, that's a duck.
01:28:53
Speaker
That's a duck, man. Yeah. but but like a point um Yeah. He's out. He's just hanging out the butt. and I'm like, it's just so weird and absurd. I'm like, yeah, that's awesome. Uh,
01:29:06
Speaker
Oops, are good? No, yeah. What? i was to say, what about that part, though? he After he gets off the bus, he stands there looking in the window of the store with the TVs, and he's seeing like all the stuff about ducks, duck seizing, and like yo know Daffy Duck, and all as that stuff. He starts flipping out, like, oh my god! Really?
01:29:22
Speaker
I didn't laugh out loud, but but again, like humorous. I enjoyed it inside. Inside, i was enjoying it inside my heart. I was like, oh, this is good. And I feel like that ah like a lot about this movie a lot. like Inside my heart, I'm just enjoying it.
01:29:37
Speaker
Am I laughing out loud a lot? No. um Does that mean that the script is failing? Yes, this is supposed to be a comedy movie. it's not It's not so comedy that I'm losing my mind laughing, which I would like.
01:29:51
Speaker
But comedy is one of those weird things where, you know... Well, not only that, but how many times can you watch a movie and the jokes land the same way? They're not gonna. Eventually, you could watch the funniest movie of all time, and you could, same with horror, you could watch it five times in a row.
01:30:12
Speaker
not well and not not And I'm not saying that there aren't standouts that aren't going to just make you laugh or you're not going to see something new every time. You might. there you go But like with with a movie like this, it's just not one of those movies that has these standout laugh out loud moments. It doesn't have a single one.
01:30:34
Speaker
It's only something that I might notice and then laugh at for my own silly brain. Like what I pick up on. But then the next time I watch it, I might not laugh that hard at it because it's just, i've Oh, I remember that. Yeah, that's funny, but not again.
01:30:51
Speaker
it's not It's not as funny the second time. you know So all that being said, the script itself I do like, I don't mind the overlord stuff because that's where it gets cosmic. And I do like that. Even if I don't understand, don't need to because it's cosmic.
01:31:06
Speaker
So, but I do like the scene the first time in the lab when they said, um, when our, when our laser got pointed in another direction and only a single singer, a singer, a singer, a single feather fell.
01:31:20
Speaker
and you see the the video footage because it's all shot like it's in the lab. So it's like found footage, hu found footage mixed into this horror duck movie.
01:31:31
Speaker
You see ginning my upcoming book. Oh, hell yeah. Shout out to Tim's upcoming book. Plug it to him. Yeah. No, that's it. Oh, next book is found footage.
01:31:43
Speaker
ah No, no, no title, no release date, no nothing. Oh, ah like, comment, survive. Available at some point. Exact date isn't known yet, but September. It's coming, y'all.
01:31:59
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Just in time for Halloween. Boom. yeah i like when jenning catches that single feather falling through the air and they were like we didn't know that your body landed two miles away when he crash landed through that fucking like awning and went into the trash cans or whatever also like we we missed i see ah thinking about it when we talk i i gotta say it when he first gets like crash landed on earth howard gets um ah like picked up by some thugs and they they they shove them into some nerds fucking hands is like here's your date then the bouncer's like i know a kid in a costume when i see one and he throws howard out the back door into some homeless lady's fucking encampment and she starts beating his ass all that shit is a 10 out of 10 that's funny yes the opening of this movie is perfect yeah i i love the first third of this movie every even the
01:32:53
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ah The love scene between the two of them when we think they're about to get it on is so uncomfortable. ah find it hilarious. But,
01:33:05
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yeah This is against nature. not what you think it is. there's like There's a lot of good one-liners and small shots throughout this thing, you know.
01:33:15
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But some of it does fall ah flat. I do like, though, when Howard was like, no one laughs at a master or a quack foo. you know it was of tripping on that but then there was like what a i love the quack foo in the opening shot they have his trophy and photo of him in what's his name and everything yeah he's wearing his gi next to a trophy like he wasn't lying he is a master of quack foo I love it.
01:33:41
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Yeah. So, I mean, that that's kind of cool, like a tough way. But then it's like when they're in the back of the truck, he's like, babe, I'm not a real sentimental guy. and she's like, no, I bet you were born from a very hard boiled egg ducky.
01:33:53
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You know, and it was it's kind of funny, but kind of sad. then they're in the truck with Jennings, he's transform. And he's like, I feel like something's gnawing at my gu guts. And she's like, well, what'd you have lunch? And it was like, it was kind of a dumb kind of fall flat. I was like, oh like that was kind of a rough one watch. I'm like, well, other than that, you know, a lot of it's like small little quips that you are enjoyable, but there's not really too much meat to it to really go off of. So whatever's whatever is whatever it it's all right.
01:34:21
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There is one that killed me that I did laugh out loud about. And it's probably more because of the time period now than actually being a funny line.
01:34:32
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But when they're in that truck and he's saying, oh, there's something changing in me. And Howard goes, oh, like a sex change. laugh to i laugh yeah actually did laugh.
01:34:46
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And I was like, as a kid, I never I didn't I would have never known what that even meant. But like on this, on this actual rewatch tonight, just before this, yeah that made me laugh. I was like, Oh shit, that this movie would get fucking, ah somebody would be mad about that today.
01:35:04
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oh yeah. Somebody would be mad that we brought it up in the podcast. Um, kind
01:35:13
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ah kind of with you guys on that is that I wasn't super compelled. um
01:35:23
Speaker
ah we're on a script, right? Yes, sir. here Yeah, it's, you know, acting, script, it's all the same, in my opinion. um They did well enough um to an extent.
01:35:42
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I kind of lost focus when we got to the third quarter, or the third second third part of the movie. I'll deal with scientists and all that shit. It's like, yeah, ah kind of or i yeah I'm with you.
01:35:58
Speaker
Why is everyone upset with this cosmic shit?
01:36:03
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I'm just like not into cosmic stuff, really. It's not anything against it. No, nothing at all. just not something I love. and And this is not the part where I'm going to fucking fuss everybody for like having opinions. That's not what I'm saying. But this is the part where Travis plays the role of the guy that just wants to fuss.
01:36:23
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Yeah. No, I'm just playing. It's Evan's turn. Hashtag you watched it wrong. um a No, I'm not going to do that here. um Well, maybe I will. it's
01:36:40
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Now, the fact
Nostalgia and Cult Status
01:36:41
Speaker
that you know what it is, is it was original, in my opinion, um for what it was. It's pretty original. like ah Like a duck getting sucked from Duck World to this.
01:36:53
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Yeah, dude. I'm sorry, Evan. My bad. It's the same story as E.T. But, but, but, bro. But, bro. kidding. But it is, but it ain't. But it is. but Well, E.T. got left behind.
01:37:06
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Dude, they left him. They left him. They left that poor boy. yeah also made him cross-dress. E.T. wasn't a love story. True, true. E.T. did not almost get down James Brown.
01:37:21
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did not have that little two alien drone. He can make right now perfectly in 2025 and everybody will be just fine with it. Yeah, dude. I'm going to bang E.T. tomorrow. but of I don't give a fuck.
01:37:33
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Hey, there's no kink shaming on this show. Whatever you're into. Whatever you're into. Pick up your little Reese's pieces and put them on my butt. yeah What you called that earlier, Evan? You asked if I had a ah house draft tool or something? What is that?
01:37:50
Speaker
For my beer? Oh, I was asking if you had a house draft, like if you had like a big-ass fucking keg just sitting in your damn living room and you just pour your own beer in it.
01:38:01
Speaker
I was going to say put a kegerator in my ass and drop some fucking Reese's Pieces in there. we We're going to get it on ET style. a kegerator in my ass? Yeah.
01:38:12
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Can you hear
01:38:14
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Gaping. Stretch on that. You've been down the rest of your life. Your hips are shattered, bro. I'm going to have some dark overlords coming through that portal.
01:38:26
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Alright, so the script is my most critical part of my review. ah give the script a 2. 3. o you three yeah I think the script is just... A two is just okay.
01:38:43
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Yeah. I thought a three was okay. That's kind of where I was... because Three is good. Really? Okay. Yeah, it goes... Yeah. tell them bar know yeah Tell the audience, because the audience might not fucking know.
01:38:57
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It was average. hey That's... Yeah. but It was good. It was three. i It's an average size squirt. Screw Tim's looking at his own ratings. He's like, hmm, how does this go again?
01:39:12
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Zero is terrible. One is bad. Two is okay. Three is good. Four is great. Five is amazing. ah Okay. Well, then I'll be fine with it. Look, Evan's dying. I'll be fine i'll be fine with ah with it with a good then.
01:39:27
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um I'm going to give it a three as well. Shit.
01:39:33
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all right ah Jonathan said something about that corkscrew and it killed me. Speaking of corkscrews, have you all seen Companion?
01:39:45
Speaker
Yeah. Not yet. That's an excellent use of Chekhov's gun, Jonathan. ha ha. is it's so there's something in there that the camera lingers on it. i was like, that's going to be used in the third act.
01:40:00
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And sure enough,
Technical Aspects and Puppetry
01:40:01
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when it happened, when it happened, I was like, oh, shit. yeah Yeah. It's a fun movie. um Don't say anything. I still intend to. and you got You've got my Fandango at home. It's on there.
01:40:16
Speaker
Oh, okay. That's right. I still got to log in. We did a double feature for Valentine's Day. We went to see Companion first. Hard Eyes second. That's the correct order to watch those movies in. i saw that devil Was that a double feature?
01:40:30
Speaker
in the theater. Picture show? Yep. you know good And and i I chose that order because I knew. Because Barbarian was good, but it wasn't all that like everyone thinks it is. Oh, I loved Barbarian. I'm sure you did.
01:40:49
Speaker
it was It was fine. I love that. I'm going to measure your your basement. What? You can do that.
01:41:02
Speaker
Acting. I'm going to take this one. I'm going to start this. The acting in this movie is fucking awesome. um Tim Robbins is crazy, unhinged, over the top.
01:41:17
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Fucking Jeffrey Jones. I know we're not supposed to really mention this man by his name because he's a fucking gross bitch. And he is. But as an actor, the guy is fucking phenomenal. I don't know what to tell you.
01:41:29
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um it It sucks. It sucks when you have to separate the art from the artist. But you got to right here. You got to do it. I think he is also equally like ah endearing to Howard's
Historical Context and Marvel Legacy
01:41:41
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cause and then transforms into a psychopath.
01:41:45
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and delivers a comedy tour de force in the diner scene with his line deliveries. Yes. Leah Thompson. She is charming, um beautiful.
01:41:59
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Also, I will say, and and coming off of Back to the Future, which I'm a big fan of ah since I was a kid, seeing her in this was just like double hell. Yes.
01:42:12
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Then she tries to get sexy with a short person. i was like, triple hell yes. Because I was imagining myself being Howard the Duck. No. um Getting your feathers in rough. but Oh, yeah. they They took four days to put them erect feathers down.
01:42:26
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and um But I just i love all the performances. I think everyone does a great job. ah Not a perfect job, but a damn near. And um it's it's in service of the film.
01:42:41
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I don't feel like anyone's phoning it in in any aspect, even the side characters like the bandmates, the managers. There's the you know what ah the the goons at the bar that um portray like the guys running the bar and the band managers friends.
01:42:58
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ginger keeps talking to some guy named richie or whatever but there's this one guy i don't know if he gets a name in the movie but that's one of the guys in the super mario brothers movie from from the from the 90s i wanted to get back into that one but the special edition sold out and now can't get my hands on it but you remember um koopa's nephews the two nephews It's been so long.
01:43:24
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Oh, man. well I watched it like as a teenager because I loved it. Yeah, it's been one of my, again, up there with this. this it's I've got like a fucking list of 30 films or 40 or 50 films from when I was a kid that I'll just keep going back to.
01:43:40
Speaker
The original Mario movie with ah Bob Hoskins and um John Leguizamo. I will always love that movie. I don't care what it says. So so you remember the nephews of Koopa?
01:43:53
Speaker
Fucking Dennis Hopper? He had them two idiots that he had to keep fucking dealing with. One of those guys is one of the goons in the bar scene. Ah, okay.
01:44:05
Speaker
Point being, everyone is serviceable or more so in this movie where they actually commit to their role. Like Leah Thompson is committed to her role. She's not like phoning it in. She's really about Howard.
01:44:19
Speaker
She's really about her band. She's really about fucking getting Howard to the end game. um Jennings, again, Jeffrey Jones is um fucking twisted freak.
01:44:32
Speaker
Tim Robbins is a silly boy that is silly and all of his all of his beats are on point. like When he walks in, he's like, I bought pizza for everybody. And then he sees Howard, he's like, Howard! And he drops all the shit.
01:44:44
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He goes right... Oh, Howard! Howard! Everyone is on point in their acting, I think. um Is it top-notch?
01:44:57
Speaker
Nah. But they're all on point. I agree. And actually, you said no one's phoning it in Absolutely. like Absolutely not. I think they're doing incredible, especially when you realize that Howard wasn't talking during recording.
01:45:18
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All ADR. Yeah. Somebody was reading the lines, not the person in the suit. either they for a while they had the puppeteer hooked up to a mic and he would do it but there was also people like off behind camera reading the lines and then we it's Thompson's reacting to the cummed actor that's impressive that she stayed in character playing these romantic scenes
01:45:55
Speaker
off a... a I'm impressed. But Travis, you covered... you can hold her Hold on. Pause. It kind of blows my mind. but can we Can we pause for a second? Did Tim just glitch out for everybody?
01:46:11
Speaker
Yeah, there was some lag going on. Tim, can can you restate what you which you what you did, please? Because for your recording, ah you might want to have it again.
01:46:22
Speaker
I'm getting lightning strikes out here. I wonder if that has anything to do with it. ah The... Dang it. Oh, for a while they had somebody, the puppeteer for the mask would say the lines or there would be someone standing off camera.
01:46:38
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But for the most part, whoever was in the costume was not speaking. They couldn't hear it. So for Leah to react off romantic scenes, off any scenes, not having a back and forth dialogue,
01:46:58
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That's impressive. That would be hard to do considering all of Howard's was done ADR. Howard wasn't even cast until most of the scenes were done. That was supposed to be Robin Williams.
01:47:10
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And he he came a couple days on set. Nobody knows the real reason why he left. He said in an interview that the director was a difficult person, but everybody else says the director was very friendly.
01:47:25
Speaker
I read why. ah read why He said that what I read, what he said was that he was constricted. He's like, how am I supposed to always the lip movement?
01:47:36
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Yeah. He's like, I can't, I can't match that because I have to be me. He had Robin Williams is so animated. Like, what are going to do with that? you can't yeah nail him down.
01:47:47
Speaker
Whoever they got to do Howard in this movie did the best job they possibly could have done to me. Robin Williams would have been ah difficult sell for this movie. Oh, for sure. Absolutely. Even though he would have done a great job, though, as a voice actor.
01:48:03
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But if they can't match it to what the puppet is doing, the animatronics or whatever they're doing. Yeah, he he it wouldn't have been dar was then fucked up. Yeah, I remember that now that you bring it up. But yeah, the acting is impressive. Other than that, I don't have anything to add to what Travis had.
01:48:20
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Everybody else in this movie
Personal Reflections and Impact
01:48:21
Speaker
delivers. The one guy you were talking about, though, Travis, who was like one of the Koopa nephews, that was ah Richard Edson. um Yeah, I've seen him. i see i used to see him play a lot of like B characters and a lot of stuff and like small cameos through like a lot of different films growing up.
01:48:37
Speaker
He's pretty cool. I like him. Yeah, he's a pretty good dude. He was like kind of an offbeat, kind of grungy street dude a lot of times, you know? Yeah. Kind of like half a bull, kind of dumb, whatever. He knows how to play. He knows, that's exactly.
01:48:50
Speaker
He knows how to play that like goofy, dumb guy. Like, because he does that with the Koopa dude so until they get smart when he does that, when Dennis Hopper does that reverse brain race shit. He turns him into a Goomba.
01:49:02
Speaker
Well, no, he turns them into smarter versions of themselves. Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Grab it. but If y'all ever do Mario Brothers, if y'all ever do it. We will. Once I can get my hands on it.
01:49:13
Speaker
Please. The other Koopa nephew, though, the other Koopa nephew was the same guy that played the plague in Hackers. I've never seen Hackers. What the? Hack the world. I've never seen it.
01:49:24
Speaker
Motherfuck. Look, man, as many films as I've seen, ah still have blind spots, all right? Okay, okay, okay. I'll give you that. all right All right. The entire movie has played during this conversation. All right. Definitely watch fucking Hackers. Oh, my God.
01:49:41
Speaker
Awesome movie. Kick ass. Angelina Jolie rockin' it. Shout out to Chuddle the Brian, who also told me the same thing. Fucking A. Okay. All right. I'll let it go.
01:49:54
Speaker
But yeah, I was, I'm saying with you guys, I liked the acting, uh, that I, you know, I've enjoyed the delivery. It was very comical, but fun, serious and sad parts, you know, kind of touching and endearing kind of got a full spectrum of stuff going on in there, especially with, you Tim Robbins craziness and just being kind of a dumb ass at the beginning there with all questions with Howard.
01:50:13
Speaker
Um, yeah, that's cool. I'm down with it. I liked it. I can't really be like shitting on anything for the acting. Yeah. Even like the side little weird people, like the with the minor interactions were still fun and and you know able to enjoy.
01:50:28
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Like even with the teacher, with all the kids that come up to him on the fountain, once they're coming out of the museum and stuff, and he's telling them to take a hike and everything. ah Even those kids are like, oh my God.
01:50:39
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Or the lady in the unemployment office, like we were saying, like she was awesome. Like there's a lot of great, like you said, Jonathan, side acting by the very small parts.
01:50:52
Speaker
Yeah. Great stuff. That was gnarly as hell. Being so bold as to pick the dude up and throw him in the freaking tub. What an asshole. But still, that that seemed like it was some real shit for some crap like that back there.
01:51:02
Speaker
Oh, Cleveland. Cleveland. Tim, Ohio, man. It's an Ohio thing. he thought He thought the world was called Cleveland. Yeah, calm down when he said that. i was like, oh, yeah. Yeah.
01:51:16
Speaker
What a weird place. It seems about right for this place. don't know what's on earth.
01:51:24
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What you thought about the acting, Everu?
01:51:28
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ah So, you know, of course I can't give a score just yet, but and I'm not going to try to ruffle any feathers. Yeah.
01:51:39
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I thought it was pretty good. I thought the acting was good. You know, like it went with the whole... He said it so nonchalant. That's what killed me.
01:51:52
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oh It's the Doug Ponds, audience. It's the Doug Ponds.
01:51:58
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um With, ah you know, like I said, script and acting kind of went hand-in-hand, toe-in-toe, web-to-web, if we could. It's... is it's
01:52:13
Speaker
Shut up, dude. We said at the beginning we were going to get quackers, bro. Oh, my God. I'm just trying to be quacktastic. You're making my face hurt right now. spt Oh, my God. oh That's an egg, why don't you, bro?
01:52:31
Speaker
I'm just trying to be sunny side up about this. if you Oh, dude, just take me over easy and and and finish
01:52:44
Speaker
Just wing it. let yeah sort of Let me, let me, let me spill the yoke real quick. oh I'm pretty, I'm pretty in between on ah the acting is, uh, they did good for what they were given. You know, it's the eighties. It is what it is.
01:53:02
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Um,
01:53:05
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I gave it a you know what, Tim, I'm gonna go ahead and say it. I gave it a three out of five. Oh, when it comes to acting, ah I was a three out of five as well, because as much as the humans were great.
01:53:23
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I thought that Howard was just okay. He was like, the puppets were not doing it for me. They couldn't act worth a shit. I want more emotion from my puppets, and I just didn't feel it.
01:53:36
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There's something I didn't care for. Some of Howard's deliveries I like, some of them I'm like, yeah, that's all right. yeah So I was a three on the acting. I'm tempted to bring it up to a four because...
01:53:50
Speaker
The fact that they're acting off like a puppet that wasn't speaking is impressive to me. And you guys bring up some of those other small bit parts. I'm up to a four. I'm i'm doing it.
01:54:04
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I think three is a yeah little hard. I appreciate that, Tim. I'm a four well. You're the best in the flock. yeah You guys are the best in the flock. I'm a four also. Yeah.
01:54:16
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And not just because the main character, but I got all the people's character like acting and the interactions but all were but were pretty awesome. so yeah it's there's not There's nothing in this movie that stands out to a five, but everyone being on point makes it like, hell yeah. right like they're they're just they're They're right there with what the movie is.
01:54:39
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Whatever this movie was trying to do, which you know you could say and earlier I heard you out, Tim, like people didn't know whether this was and and it was supposed to be a family friendly movie, by the way.
01:54:52
Speaker
it was like that's what the studio wanted, but they still let it go as it was. So they, I guess maybe the 80s were fucking different. Duck tits didn't matter, man. Yeah.
01:55:03
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yeah don Condoms, duck tits, interspecies relationships. That still happens. I like that Jonathan caught that.
01:55:16
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So you guys you guys all gave it a four? Yeah. It's okay to give it... I guess I'm the odd duck out because I gave it a three. and That's okay.
01:55:26
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It's all right. he was just He was just setting it up for another... Duck pun. All right, the direction of this film. right like um Oh, can i can I give my whole review ah of this part in Quacks?
01:55:40
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Yes. No, I'm not going to do that. I'll save us some time. I'll ruin this episode if I do that. no
01:55:49
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why bla bla walk yeah
01:55:54
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um I'm actually just gonna instead of posting this entire episode I'm just gonna do our whole intro and everything and then it's just gonna be like stuck footage ducks quacking at pond it's like episode of South Park where ah Randy was constantly listening to kids music or no it was ah Stan was listening to kids music and all he was hearing was pooping sounds yeah farts oh this music sounds like shit He didn't understand the new generation, bro.
01:56:25
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No. no All right, Travis, you want to kick off the direction? Who's got direction? I'll go if you want me to. Go for it.
01:56:37
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um Stellar. I don't know what to tell you. ah look Look at what you have in front of you. You've got 30 million bucks, 37 million bucks, whatever the fucking report is about the budget.
01:56:49
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You have a Marvel... The first ever Marvel character to be put to screen. Clearly, this was a passion project from George Lucas, which he handed off to people who were associates associates of his.
01:57:06
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Sorry, average audience. I'm a little pie. That's Cajun for drunk. um You had actors and actresses. which I don't know if they like being called actresses anymore. I think they all want to be called actors at this point.
01:57:21
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I don't know what I don't know what the Oscars still have actress performances, but I think they like all being called actors. So I don't know what the I don't know the great terms anymore. No. Well, I don't know what to say for that. But anyway, the actors and actresses in this film were all fucking tasked with, like Tim was saying, performing with a puppet that they can't fucking... it's it's It's not doing the damn thing on so on set.
01:57:45
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It's looking at them through the chin or at the chin. But you have puppetry, you have special effects. The first time that some digital effects are being used.
01:57:56
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and um You have a litany of stunt scenes um fucking a story to tell here that was meant to be animated it was meant to be animated it was not a wild part yeah it was not meant to be a live action film and they somehow transformed it into a live action movie that you know what I looked at the Rotten Tomatoes, 13% critic, 30-something percent audience.
01:58:28
Speaker
I'm like, yeah, you know what? Hashtag, y'all fucking watched it wrong. I don't know what to tell y'all. There it is. That's better than nowadays and white. What's the, oh, the new Snow White?
01:58:41
Speaker
Well, you know, I don't know what, I don't personally know what the backlash of that movie is all about, but I do know it it exists. um It's Rachel Zegler's underbite.
01:58:55
Speaker
Well, that's not cool. Is it really that? No. oh oh Not at all. i'm just why i don't I don't want to get into why. Yeah.
01:59:06
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because because Because at this point... Gal Gadot is a terrible actor.
01:59:13
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nine i liked her as Wonder Woman. Me too. Yeah, apparently that's the only thing she's good at. who what people are saying about this movie. They find a niche. Yeah, yeah. so I'd watch her as Wonder Woman all day.
01:59:27
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Me too, brother. um i watch I'll watch her on the Nile as well. Yeah, that's a good movie. ah Snow White stuff aside, i you know I don't know what people... No, you're good.
01:59:43
Speaker
I don't know what people were doing in the 80s when they fucking slept on this fucking awesome movie that was fun. i don't know you know what why the... It does have a cult following at this point, but it's still small.
01:59:57
Speaker
But I hope that we're part somewhat tonight of of because no one sounds like they hate this movie. ah So I'm hoping that tonight we're part of that cult following. That's like, yeah, man, how are the ducks worth a rewatch?
02:00:10
Speaker
The direction on this movie is awesome. The guy, what's his name again? Willard, Willard, Willard, Will ha like willard like we your quick ah um I'll do it again. I'll kill him. Yeah, dude.
02:00:31
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He had a lot on his plate, and I think this person did a great fucking job making a movie that is more than serviceable. This movie is awesome, man.
02:00:43
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The whole direction's great. i don't know what to tell you but about the I don't know to tell you about this other than good job.
02:00:54
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Let me say his name right for once. Willard Hoyk. Right? Oh, yeah. like like like so i've been like you yeah those like does right You did a great job, man.
02:01:08
Speaker
And I hope that you, he's old now. He lost his wife a few years ago. He's still out there just being old. And I want you to know you did a fucking awesome job. If you ever hear this, my friend, you did the damn thing. Cause
02:01:26
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thanks for that. up All I can say is duck it or fuck it.
02:01:34
Speaker
fuck fuck fuck the duck it? Wait, what? Duck it or fuck it? No, are you Leah Thompson? You're gonna fuck
Cult Following and Modern References
02:01:41
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the duck. Oh, no. um in the in the com I want to be the duck in that situation. Dude.
02:01:49
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It'll be the duck of your dreams. oh Oh, shit.
02:01:56
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Direction, everybody. Direction. You you said it about all we could about the direction. ah The first time i watched this, I thought the direction was terrible.
02:02:09
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And that's because it had no real flair. But after watching this numerous times, the no real flair, the flair is these huge set pieces, this advanced special effects for this kind of movie handled in a way that doesn't detract from the movie.
02:02:29
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but enhances it, makes it part of the experience. Yeah, I agree. Hoyt did a great job directing this film. I think he struggled to maybe pull it all together. Hoyt?
02:02:44
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ah you ah Look, Evan's dying again. Evan, laugh on the mic. Laugh on the mic, Evan. but Yeah, give him that, man.
02:02:57
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Need that sound bite, bro. yeah shit um oh Shit. Dude, will it Willer Hyuk was like, I'll direct it again.
02:03:09
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Yeah, dude. I'm sorry, too. For Duck's sake, we're just going to give our score.
02:03:21
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Let's just give our scores for direction. he did a good job. Where are we all at?
02:03:27
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Three, ah four, five. See, I'm a three as well. All right. The eight factor. oh shit. I want to hear Jonathan.
02:03:40
Speaker
I want to hear you if factor this. Oh boy. Howdy. It factor. Well, man, just cause I can see your score. So I want to hear. yeah yeah wow. Why did I give it that score?
02:03:56
Speaker
so No, for real. um ah yo no As far as the factor goes, i mean we are we've said it multiple times already. you It's the first Marvel film, in essence. It truly is.
02:04:08
Speaker
um yeah You guys are still losing your shit. where where it's it's it's so I want to tell the listeners of The Average Podcast about this little skit that's out there on YouTube where Goofy is on trial for murder.
02:04:22
Speaker
Tim, if you can find it, please put this in the show notes because it's worth it and the audience will probably enjoy looking. It's like a minute and a half long video. That's it.
02:04:33
Speaker
It's very quick. Yeah, it's very quick. It's not a whole thing you got to dedicate your life to, but it's just a minute and a half of Goofy on trial for murder and it's worth it.
02:04:43
Speaker
It's so worth it. Sorry. That's why we're losing our shit. Okay, well, I'll stop. I'll stop. and probably and Back to the effect here. Right. So with it being like the first Marvel film and how that kind of paves the way for thing, and then the callbacks that you get in guardians of the galaxy and how that kind of reignites, you know, the flair and passion for, for Howard the duck as a character, um, is pretty awesome. Cause you know, a lot of people are, are really wanting to see something more from that little cameo. It's not just one. I think ah they featured him in like a small clip and another one as well as one of the other guardian and credits or something. Yeah. Yeah. Um,
02:05:21
Speaker
And then the fact that based on a comic book that was really popular back in the day and like how people were in such an uproar about the the image of Howard the Duck in the movie versus the comic book shows there was a lot of people who really cared about that.
02:05:35
Speaker
And then, you know, I think that's a pretty good thing, man. I think that really sits well for how significant it is to people, especially within the comic book community and like that need for consistency and maintaining character standards.
02:05:47
Speaker
So maybe they didn't quite get what they wanted out of that as far as the character in the movie, but the fact that they still made a movie about him, that it's still talked about, um that it's like one of the big things like early on from like when George Lucas was doing his thing.
02:06:01
Speaker
i mean, there's a lot that plays into that. And I, I don't know, man I would love to go to Comic-Cons and like see Howard the Duck cosplay stuff. I think that'd be pretty cool. pretty sure someone out there's done it. There's probably been some weird, kinky like female versions of it out there. you know Oh, no. I know. You never know, There's some weird stuff out there in the world. but i mean, I'm not hating on duck tits. I'm just saying because I like them in in this movie.
02:06:25
Speaker
I like both times. Again, when I was kid. I saw them duck tits and I was like, yeah, dude. Dude, I liked them. I liked them. ain't gonna lie. I ain't gonna lie on this shit.
02:06:40
Speaker
that are over easy It's okay. But like then you think about how like how that you know brings about options for other duck-themed characters, you know because you had DuckTales, Darkwing Duck. yeah um And i don't know if you guys remember, of you probably won. i'm not sure. Maybe Travis might.
02:06:56
Speaker
Back in the 80s on Nickelodeon, or not Nickelodeon, maybe. I don't remember the show, what the network it was on. But it was Count Duckula. he didn't He didn't live off blood. He lived off a patch up. Yeah. And you're the servants of the weird Transylvanian castle.
02:07:10
Speaker
i don't remember Ducula, man. That's wild. No. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, look it up, man. Count Ducula is super badass. I love that. So there's a whole duck culture like under and under the surface that needs duck content out there.
02:07:28
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's there's a thing for it out there, you know, and you see like different iterations and people like have been kind of duck themed art, you know, you not not just Howard the Duck, but there's all kinds of different stuff to mix it up out there with.
02:07:40
Speaker
And then like bands like Psycho Stick, they have a song called Quack Kills. that's Awesome. I highly recommend checking it out. Psycho stick is fantastic. It's off their album. Uh, let's go drink some beer.
02:07:54
Speaker
Revenge of the vengeance. Yes. Same band. Yeah, absolutely. And I love it. Beer is good. Beer is good. and Oh, man, obey the beard because boobs. Psycho Stick has a plethora of amazing songs. big Psycho Stick fan. Yeah.
02:08:09
Speaker
I've seen them live. I've partied with them at my buddy's house after the show. What? yeah That's awesome. Rob even threw a can out in the crowd hit me with it. And i was like, sweet.
Cultural References and Comic Origins
02:08:21
Speaker
You know, no, there were cool dudes though, man. Well, I actually ended up getting like a, they gave us like a shitload of like psycho stick match, like match boxes. So I've still got some of them. So if I need a lot of candle, got some psycho stick matches, bro. Yeah. You know, that's nice.
02:08:36
Speaker
Yeah. So du there's there's an impact there. it It kind of stretches out. Maybe not quite as much as, you know, it might seem, but it's, it's there. And I think there's room for that to build. Yeah. Yeah.
02:08:48
Speaker
Jonathan made some arguments that um I can't counter because I didn't know that much about duck culture and that that there was some duckness that needed to be like a duck hole that needed to be filled. um dark but Duck dynasty. them kind of cluck the Well, we go and and that's Cajun country talking about.
02:09:08
Speaker
goal but ah Yeah, I didn't quite see it the same way he did. I saw this more as like a forgotten gym, mostly forgotten.
02:09:20
Speaker
and when he made a cameo in guardians of the galaxy it was just a again like actual true fans who are now making the movies they grew up reading the comics putting that in there and they stayed true to the comic more so than this movie so for this movie they had factor for this movie specifically is what i'm speaking on factor for the movie the quack factor yes the crack factor It's I don't I don't think it's for this movie is strong.
02:09:53
Speaker
I think this movie is a forgotten gem. Some fans who grew up with it will remember it fondly. Maybe some people will come to it from seeing Guardians and finding out there was already a movie made.
02:10:10
Speaker
um Does it permeate pop culture? no no no i would say not at all uh almost almost zero but jonathan the things you said made me like kind of kind of question that but that goes more into duck stuff not so much this movie um ducks are just kind of a thing i guess i think if we can all just pull out our own like just like ducks And we can duck hunt together. And duck hunt. Yeah, exactly. That was a line in the movie too. Am I supposed to explain manpower for for hunting a duck? It's like, oh, it's a duck hunt. It's like, no, please, please, please don't. As soon as it was like, oh, shit.
02:10:51
Speaker
um yeah So if we're if we're not giving our score right now, I'll leave it right there. yeah okay Yeah, I'm with you. Like I said, before The Room was made, ah before twenty twenty five s Snow White remake was made, this was on the list of worst movies ever made, apparently.
02:11:11
Speaker
So i I think that is like the reverse of the effector. That is very low to be considered that...
02:11:23
Speaker
across the board, almost unanimously, was not well-received. ah Fans didn't like it. Box office sales bombed. I'm pretty sure they didn't even make their budget back. They made $16 million off a $30 to $37 million million dollars budget.
Final Critique and Enjoyment
02:11:41
Speaker
So they lost half their budget, roughly? Mm-hmm. Yeah. so it hurt i watching the interviews I was watching. They were all worried they could find if they could find work after this. Leah Thompson was like she said it affected her career.
02:11:59
Speaker
Not drastically, but she said the next movie she went to She was damn good looking, so she didn't have to worry about it. She had Caroline in the city in the 90s. Well, she's been trying to pimp over the last like decades. She's been trying to pimp a reboot or a sequel with her as the director.
02:12:18
Speaker
Oh, really? Yeah. She wants to direct the Howard, the duck sequel or reboot. Um, I don't, I don't know what I read, but I read something like that. She, well, she pitched it to Marvel.
02:12:29
Speaker
They said, we like it, but we have plans for Howard, the duck in the future. So that is saying that Marvel, Well, they could be lying, but they might also have plans for Howard in the future since they dropped him in a few movies here and there as cameos. They might actually have a plan for him.
02:12:50
Speaker
And I hope she's involved. I hope she is. That would be cool. but so Yeah, she said that coming off of this, her next film, she was insecure as an actor. She had to she didn't think she could act anymore.
02:13:05
Speaker
The director never directed another movie. This was it. but He did this and was done. It's only because he was George's friend. Yeah. yeah He probably didn't need to direct another The writers also didn't put their name on credits after this film.
02:13:24
Speaker
Damn. They made this film, they wrote this film, and then anything they wrote after, they didn't put their names on. this film basically killed their careers. gee ah While it made others, like we said with Tim Robbins, it killed others.
02:13:40
Speaker
And I don't really understand that. I don't think this movie's that bad. Right. Stand on business. Stand on Howard Doug business, bitch. like Don't fucking bow down.
02:13:51
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think this movie's that bad. However, i am in the camp that I think this movie is so bad it's good. i think yeah Just enough went wrong that it works in ways that it shouldn't.
02:14:06
Speaker
like It wasn't intended to work the way it came out. But because of the immensely negative response, it didn't really find that cult following until Guardians of the Galaxy, until 2010.
02:14:22
Speaker
twenty ten and then they did a blu-ray release of it after that and it's starting to catch on it was on tubi last year i think that was the first time i saw it but then it started to get that cult following watch the greasy strangler oh god well watch no wasn't watch 10 years from now this movie is beloved watch oh i tell my friends this is the greatest thing marvel has ever released so yeah and see This beats.
02:14:55
Speaker
You know, what's crazy is, you know, when I looked up a little bit of thought on it was, ah I guess that Captain America was the first one in 1944, but it wasn't Marvel at the time. it was a no it was a serial release in theaters. It wasn't a movie.
02:15:12
Speaker
So like this was, yeah, it was, it was a serial that would play before movies. This is the first actual movie based on a Marvel character. So yes, they did have other Marvel characters in the theaters before Howard the duck, but not as a full feature length film like this was.
02:15:33
Speaker
Oh, that's the other thing. I thought it was something. No, no, it's it's good trivia to bring up because yeah they did have other Marvel of a characters. it its it It's I think it's worth noting because this movie gets so shit on by every fucking nerd out there that it's like this movie was the first Marvel movie, basically, like this is the one.
02:15:57
Speaker
and And as bad as it is, And like like Tim said, it's it turns the wagon around to going from so bad it's good. I don't know if I would say it's an 11 out of 10, which is on the nightclub when something's so bad it's good, we give it that.
02:16:13
Speaker
I don't think I would do that with this because it's so competent. To me, an 11 out of 10 is – We're not there to give it the whole goal. We're not on final scores. Oh, okay. We're almost there.
02:16:25
Speaker
We're right there, baby.
02:16:30
Speaker
Evan, it factor. It factor. I was a two. I give it a two. what two I give it two. I give it a two as well. was like, I was like, there's not really anything today that I see that says anything about Howard the Duck.
02:16:44
Speaker
You know, it's all about Iron Man or Hulk this, that, this and that. But like right now it's ah all Dr. Doom. Um,
02:16:56
Speaker
trying the reintroduction of the fantastic four for the third fucking time and and i'm like you guys failed you guys failed twice why fucking go a third time why the fuck not marvel um i think disney's just trying to collect all the pin cushions and pieces that they can after the flop of disney which you know Of course, Disney owns Marvel, so they're just like, fucking pump, pump, pump, pump.
02:17:32
Speaker
And that's the fucking problem. yeah With a lot of movies nowadays, you know like you'll like look at horror movies, a twenty four this and that, yeah, of course they have their flops, but some studios, they take their fucking time. They take their time, and that's how you get a good movie.
02:17:52
Speaker
If you want to pump them out, Every year to every two years. Sometimes you ain't going to have that great of a greater an effect.
02:18:03
Speaker
Unless you're Terrifier. You talking about Marvel? Yeah. yeah And Disney. Well, Disney. let me Dude. We don't need to dive into with the sentiment. But man, all these companies make buku books.
02:18:20
Speaker
Alright, my bad. Alright. if you Alright, Jonathan, did you give your air factor? No, I'm still shocked that you guys would flap your wings at me in such a way with your low scores.
02:18:32
Speaker
ah But either way, um yeah yeah. Just fly away. Fly away, bird. Fly away. and Shoo! Shoo! Get out of here! said I'm a little high horse here. i'm i'm I'm riding the thermal updraft here, and I'm sitting at four.
02:18:49
Speaker
Okay. Alright, so now... after Now this is the part, Travis, where we give our entertainment out of 10 and our final scores, and we just wrap up what we are doing.
02:19:04
Speaker
You said my name. You want me to go first? You can.
02:19:09
Speaker
Yeah, man. um I wouldn't go, like I was saying a minute ago, I wouldn't go so far to say that this is an 11 out of 10 because the way I rate an 11 out of 10 is a movie that doesn't know what it's like. They're trying to do something, but they they're not competent enough and they make a lot of mistakes, so it's so bad it's good.
02:19:33
Speaker
This movie was competent. This was well made. like No one here was... out of their element or even if they encounter problems it's it's just this movie was well made it's not it's not a fucking joke so to say it's an 11 out of 10 for me would be a lie this is a 10 out of 10 though um this entertainment value nostalgic value rewatchability Amazing.
02:20:04
Speaker
um It hits on every level. Does everything have to be perfect for it to be a 10 out of 10? Obviously not, because I gave you lower scores than fives all the way around.
02:20:16
Speaker
But I'm still going to come in with a 10 because watching it again today, i was like, yeah, like I have doubt. grand enough issue with this movie that I'm going to be like, fuck this.
02:20:27
Speaker
It's an 8 out of 10. It's a 9 out of 10. It could be. I'm not saying it can't be for somebody else. But for me, from from when I saw this as a kid to watching it now, it's fucking awesome, dude.
02:20:41
Speaker
Howard the Duck, with his little fucking stupid eyeballs that look like glass and it's human looking eyes. Oh my God. Too much sometimes, but also the expressions they got out of the these ah I assume it's animatronics versus not versus, but a couple who realized.
02:21:04
Speaker
Oh, that's some real human eyes. They just put real human eyes. They had to keep like dropping tearered tears into them and shit. They're pulling on nerves to get them to move.
02:21:16
Speaker
They had a real Howard. They actually got a Howard the Duck from Duck World in this movie. um Everything about this, man, the special effects, the acting, not so much the music. Again, the music, but again, it just, the movie as a whole elevates itself for me. remember Julian Lewis.
02:21:35
Speaker
huh ah sort Oh wait, you never saw that damn movie. Never mind. Just ignore my fucking stupid ass comment.
02:21:44
Speaker
The movie as a whole is super entertaining. It's never not been and it never not will wait. How you say that? never will what won would be we but Never will not be. ah um Yeah, it will never not be 10 out of 10. I love Howard the Duck.
02:21:59
Speaker
It's in my heart and it's going to stay there. But Okay. So on on my own thought is, ah you know, if... it So I have it as a 6 out of 10.
02:22:14
Speaker
But that's just me from the podcast review doing what I do. it. Do what you do. I would give it a fucking 10 out of 10 because it is what it is. It had my heart when I was a kid.
02:22:28
Speaker
And to become able to come back when you texted me and said, hey, ah would you be able to do this? And I was like, dude, I haven't seen that in forever.
02:22:38
Speaker
But I had to revisit it. absolutely Absolutely was I glad to read revisit it. Yeah. Yeah, man. I was like, dude, it's been 20 years plus since I've seen it.
02:22:51
Speaker
um So yeah, it was really nice to come back, revisit it. And I'm glad that you brought it to me. So I would give it a 10 out of 10 on that scale. ah You know, of course, my podcast part of me would put it as a six out of ten but that's just me being an asshole
02:23:14
Speaker
um wow i i think that's i think that's fair but your final score all tallied up did you see it i saw yeah i i i didn't see my tallied score up in the chitty chat 33.
02:23:32
Speaker
thirty three 33. Sounds about right. For that average, which is out of what? 50. And I was a 40 out of 50.
02:23:43
Speaker
So that's essentially four stars out of five. But cannot but cannot cannot can I change that to say five out of five, though? No, that's the 10 out of 10 you gave it.
02:23:54
Speaker
That's your endowment factor. Oh, so that only that's the only thing that matters. The what? The 10 out of 10. No, it's the only thing that matters It's the scores that you make up as you're going through the threes, the fours. I understand the point system, but I'm trying to bring it up as much as I can.
02:24:15
Speaker
even tries to It is i'm trying to establish a fair, i don't want to say fair, um kind of a gauge on how good a movie is, not just based on feelings.
02:24:32
Speaker
but So, okay, well, based on that, the 40 would be accurate, but in my heart, it's a 10 out of 10. Right. Yeah. that That's your entertainment.
02:24:43
Speaker
Yeah. Entertainment value is worth the price of admission times 10. Yeah. If I'm, if I may say my, uh, cohost as well, I, I asked him about it.
02:24:55
Speaker
Uh, I said, Hey man, I'm about to fucking a review this. Tell me what you got. He's at Howard. The duck is a 10 out of 10. It's the kind of, it's the kind of film you want to show your girlfriend's dad before asking for her hand in marriage.
02:25:08
Speaker
Yeah. but Then you would tell him your kids are going to be raised on this film in Robocop. If he questions to you, then you hit him with a sock filled with pool balls and scream, I'm the daddy now.
02:25:24
Speaker
It's just that damn good. god fuck Shout out to Ian. Shout out to Ian, the motherfucking kilt from the kilt in the redneck. love you, bud. can't wait to see you on Sunday.
02:25:39
Speaker
Wow.
02:25:44
Speaker
So, uh, for me, for entertainment factor, I was a nine out of 10. Like said, a lot of love on this from, from being a kid and like all the crazy and just, you know, Leah Thompson being hot and maybe not like, Oh,
02:25:57
Speaker
yeah whatever When she went down there on those damn underwear, I did not see that. brother. brother that Whoa. This movie goes off. I'm telling you, this is a little more of family family film. My puberty was late.
02:26:10
Speaker
but So when I saw it this time, i was like, oh, shit. I was a kid. I was a child. And i was like, she's amazingly hot. yeah But whatever. But yeah, so I gave 9 out of 10. And overall, with everything combined, I was sitting at 38. Yeah.
02:26:25
Speaker
yeah yeah she said in an interview that her first big break was uh back to the future where she was trying to sleep with her son and then the movie she followed that up with was howard the duck where she was trying to sleep with the duck and so she was like i was really confused in in my early years oh man oh
02:26:49
Speaker
Alright, so for me, my entertainment is 8 out of 10. I know I've been pretty critical of this film, but i love this film. i still do. It's just not...
02:27:02
Speaker
I think it has points where it dips for me, where my attention drifts. It's not super engaging consistently all the way through. Honestly, I think the movie's 20 minutes too long.
02:27:13
Speaker
I think you shave 20 minutes of this film... And we're right at 90 and that's what this movie should be. 90 minutes done as it is. It's pushing two hours and it's just a bit too long for this type of movie. About 30 minutes too long.
02:27:29
Speaker
Yeah. so i say 90 minute movie, 90 minute Howard the Duck, the super cut. I'm all in for that. And then this movie might have a better score for me. It might trim some of those parts that I think my attention wanes. It might trim some of the weak script moments, but I still enjoy the crap out of this movie. i love the puppetry. I love the performances. Thompson, as we've all said,
02:27:55
Speaker
ah it's just fun. It's a world I kind of want to live in. I saw Jonathan. Jonathan was shaking his head. no When you say I had no problem with the running time. I mean, yeah, you can get out like the the nuclear reactor scene part. No, it's so good. I like that. Maybe could cut down the the flight escape time on the little.
02:28:17
Speaker
You could cut that. Yeah. For 15 minutes. ah You could cut that. I'll be honest. Yeah. That's the one part of the movie guys on this rewatch where I started getting bored.
02:28:29
Speaker
ah was like, yeah, ah um my can we get to the next part? like do we have to land on a truck? Was that cool? Yeah. Do we need it?
02:28:40
Speaker
No. yeah We can exactly go from them to doing that to the next thing. ah So yes, the runtime could get cut down. It could. yep But that's just that's just where I'm at. I did trim a couple minutes on it and I think it comes out a little bit better.
02:28:56
Speaker
But I still really enjoy this movie. I mean, I own it on Blu-ray because it's a great movie and it's not streaming very many places. so So you got to be able to watch your Howard the Duck. I revisited it probably once a year since discovering it ah two years ago. and when I first watched it to when I first watched it two years ago, my review for it was worse, by the way.
02:29:23
Speaker
oh um my review for it two years ago. i can. i still have it. ah My review for two years ago said, Howard the Duck is a movie that doesn't work, yet its 80s charm kept me engaged. Great performances lee by Leah Thompson.
02:29:39
Speaker
Leads a middling cast in a comic book movie focused on special effects and nothing more. now that That's what I said two years ago. you're you're The fact that you own it on Blu-ray and that you watch it once a year. Leading Crowe.
02:29:52
Speaker
That eight out of 10 is going to come up and up and Every time. Yeah, maybe, maybe. But my final score, what was my final score? Dang it. 32. right around three stars.
02:30:06
Speaker
That makes our average among the four of us 35. a thirty five Wait, don't you mean the five of us didn't dode give a score? or was it just give us a tell ian Ian gave it a 10 out of 10. He gave it all the way through five out of fives.
02:30:23
Speaker
all the way through That's all your choice. So his total is a 50 then, basically. He scored it a perfect movie. yeah okay and Okay. Good job, Ian. You did what I wanted to do but could not do.
02:30:41
Speaker
Alright, I'm redoing the math now with a perfect score added in. Maths divided by five. That takes it up to 38.6 or a 39, which would be a four stars out of five.
02:30:55
Speaker
Whoa! Let's go, bitch. That's why your score can change the average. That's what we're all about. You submit your score. That changes the final result. So even though I'm over here being...
02:31:09
Speaker
Thanks, babe. Somewhat of a hater on a movie I actually really enjoy. not a hater. I just don't... You're just pretty cool, that's all. Dude, 8 out of 10. 8 out of 10. That's a great score, though.
02:31:20
Speaker
Yeah. I enjoy the crap out of this movie. I just don't think is and it's... No, it's not the best. Even though I give it a 10 out of 10 for my like overall enjoyment. Is it the best movie?
02:31:32
Speaker
Fuck no. But it's just, if you grew up with it, and then maybe if you see it later in life, and you have that... that openness to that kind of weirdness, but not everybody but not everybody but not everybody does. I'll tell like it makes me what it makes me want to do is start watching ah old 80s movies. like Movies I hadn't seen in so far and so fucking long was ah like talking with you guys is watching Never Ending Story. I haven't seen that in forever. I haven't watched 80s movies anymore.
02:32:05
Speaker
i got I got a list for you, man. Dark Crystal, never ending story. Oh, we just had Dark Crystal on the other day. And then we hit up the ah ah Dark Crystal 2, I think it was.
02:32:17
Speaker
What's the series on Netflix? Yeah. Yeah. yeah Yeah. Oh, yeah. This is our plug. Unintentional plug for our childhood fantasy series coming out in August, I believe. Sorry. So we're covering Dark Crystal, never ending story.
02:32:35
Speaker
Travis will be back for that. I don't know. Evan, we might have to get you on Dark Crystal. There's Lee Thompson in the background. and i could i could be I could be back for any of those movies, by the way, but I but i know y'all need other guests besides just my ass.
02:32:49
Speaker
Yeah. car ah Well, Travis and Evan, thank you so much for joining us, especially in what was put together last minute to fill a vacant spot on our list.
02:33:03
Speaker
ah Fellas, we I appreciate you guys having us. Yeah, so why don't it was a good time. You both need to tell people where they can find you. Travis, would you like to go first, brother? ah Yeah, I'm part of the nightclub podcast. um You can find us on Instagram, Twitter, or X,
Community Engagement and Podcast Expansion
02:33:21
Speaker
threads, Facebook, the Slasher app, which is the basically Facebook of horror. You can um do whatever there.
02:33:29
Speaker
um We're also on Discord. We have a server, a community that is pretty fun. um You can find the average bopping around in there, ah doing their damn thing.
02:33:40
Speaker
yeah And... um Yeah, that's basically it. Anywhere you get podcasts, you can find the nightclub. We do horror movies and we're starting to branch out. We're going to do a bunch of stuff coming up in the future. So yeah, you just did one that was not horror.
02:33:57
Speaker
Yeah, well we're well, coming up, well, at the time of this recording, but maybe once it's released, we'll have heavyweights out, and then um we're going to start doing fourth wall content on the regular show, which is conspiracies, true crime, ah wrestling, Dragon Ball, Elder Scrolls, Warhammer, like a bunch of stuff.
02:34:17
Speaker
So if you're a nerd like us, you might find something there for you. All right, Evan. So I'm Evan from the k the Kilt and the Redneck. ah We just pretty much were two guys, a Scotsman and a Redneck from Tennessee.
02:34:39
Speaker
ah We just sit around talking about movies. We talk about music. This next coming up month, we've got a whole bunch of... I suppose you'd call them crime films, ah Departed. We've got a Sin City. We've got a little bit of lineup.
02:35:00
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um And then, of course, Ian's birthday is coming up, so we've got Terminator to go with it. so but As someone who's been on the Kilt and the Redneck, I highly recommend listening to that show. We ah we we have fun.
02:35:14
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Just easy going. You're not going to... we We don't follow any policy. We just fucking go with it and just ride the flow of the ocean. Because that's how it goes.
02:35:28
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And I want to shout out The Average on The Average podcast itself. Absolutely. Nightclub mentions The Average almost every damn episode, it seems like lately. um I've been editing. edit the show, so I listen back, and I'm like...
02:35:42
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we seem to fucking bring you guys up like every time, which is cool. And the same, like we re you oable like this is this, it's cool. Like we have this little community of friends and stuff. And I've gotten to meet Jonathan in person.
02:35:58
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I hope to meet Tim and Evan very soon in person. And guys, thank you so much for having me on a podcast. the average yet again.
02:36:09
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It's always a pleasure. I'm sorry. It's so difficult to have me on because of the complications, technical issues, technical issues, but they're going to send you a new laptop. Right. Technology. I won't be opposed to that. I will not be opposed to that.
02:36:26
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Thank y'all so much guys. Yeah. I do appreciate you guys. Uh, Tim, uh, Jonathan, I do believe we've got you guys up on a couple episodes. I believe we're talking some Tarantino, aren't we? We're talking to some Tarantino. I've got, I'll be there. Remind me. I'm done.
02:36:45
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I love you some Tarantino. So fellas, we'll have you guys soon. And, uh, appreciate you guys. Let me on here. And I know Ian appreciates you letting me on here as well. So, yeah appreciate you guys.
02:36:58
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Absolutely loved having you both. Well, folks, that's going to do it for our deep duck dive into one of the strangest comic book adaptations of all time.
02:37:11
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Whether you were quacking up with us or shaking your head in disbelief, we appreciate you waddling along for the ride. So huge thanks to everyone who stuck it out through the feathers, lasers, and foul humor.
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Don't forget to leave us a review, unless it's duck-billed. Then maybe rethink it. And until next time, remember, this is the average where the real review happens with your friends.
02:37:35
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See ya.
02:38:28
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Bye.