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13NoH S2N4: The Fly 1986 with The Night Club Podcast
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For Night 4 of our *13 Nights of Halloween* series, we're diving into the grotesque brilliance of *The Fly* (1986) with special guest Travis from @thenightclubpodcast! 🦟✨ Join us as we break down David Cronenberg’s body horror masterpiece, featuring the unforgettable transformation of Jeff Goldblum into one of sci-fi’s most iconic monsters. You won't want to miss this one!
Don't forget to check out the cocktail pairing for tonight's episode on our Instagram – it's the perfect mix to sip on while we chat about *The Fly's* horrific yet fascinating transformation. Plus, use our Zencastr link for 30% off your first month: [https://zencastr.com/?via=theaverage](https://zencastr.com/?via=theaverage).
Tune in as we talk all things *The Fly*, body horror, and more!
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Introduction to Halloween Event
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jonathan And this is The Average.
Black Christmas Remake Analysis
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Welcome back to the 13 Nights at Halloween, where we continue our thrilling journey through the eerie realms of horror cinema. As we pit original films against their spine-chilling remakes, we invite you to join us for an unforgettable night of fright and film analysis.
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We started the event with Black Christmas from 2018. We kicked off the series with our heated debate on the second remake of Black Christmas. We're joined by horror author Ivy Tholen and our friend Chris to discuss the many missteps in the newest remake.
Comparison of House of Wax Films
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Then on night two.
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We talked the House of Wax from 2005 with Ricky from the Nightclub Podcast. Together we dissected the gruesome visuals and modern twists that distinguished it from the 1553 classic. And then last night we talked Suspiria from 2018. We took on the visually stunning and deeply unsettling movie with David from Journey with a Cinephile.
Discussion with Travis and YouTube Launch
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And tonight We have the man downstairs himself, Travis, from the nightclub podcast as our special guest. Travis brings us this infectious energy and profound knowledge of horror films, ensuring an engaging conversation you won't want to miss. Travis, glad to have you. Yeah, man. I also show up shirtless. That's how we do shirtless and drinking. First shirtless video for our show. Oh, this goes up somewhere.
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Yeah, it'll be on YouTube. Oh, nice. Hi, YouTube people. I'm from the nightclub. We got those chesticles. Yeah, we actually launched a YouTube and but I haven't put anything up yet, so I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, we're going to do stuff, but um I don't know what we'll see. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone go check out the nightclub podcast. You could find us ah use Linktree type in the nightclub.
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podcast link tree, you'll get a our Instagram, our X account. We're on all the socials, including the slasher app. So
Deep Dive into The Fly (1986)
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hit that up. And we got a fourth wall. It's like Patreon, except it has a built in merch store. You don't have to be a subscriber to buy merch from the merch store. um And since I'm on the average podcast, I just want to say thank you guys for having me. No, we are glad to have you. ah Actually it's about a year ago that we first connected. So I first connected with you doing 13 nights of Halloween last year. So this is like an anniversary of that connection. So yeah, dude. Yep. The nightclub is good friends of ours. Check them out. Uh, Bailey actually was looking at your merch to get me some for my birthday. Oh, no nice. If you have, if you have a custom request, I can, I can whip something up.
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Can you do dog sweaters? I look into dog clothes and unfortunately they don't. They all they offer is collars right now, but I'm sure one day they'll probably bump it up to the dog clothes. I would take a collar. Not for me, for the dog. I was like, wow, Tim, you're really going there with the cake, bro. Yeah, I'll wear it. I'll wear a dog collar on the recordings. Hell, yeah. Shock collar. That's King nightclub. Yeah, it's going to get you a shock collar now. Just watch. Yeah, we have two of them already. So.
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Alright, tonight we delve into the dark, disturbing world of David Cronenberg's The Fly from 1986, a film that masterfully blends science fiction with body horror.
The Brundle Fly Cocktail Introduction
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Starring the incomparable Jeff Goldblum as Seth Brundle and Geena Davis as Veronica Quaife,
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The fly tells the tragic tale of a scientist whose teleportation met it experiment goes disastrously wrong, resulting in a horrific metamorphosis that is as mesmerizing as it is terrifying. We'll explore the film's unforgettable special effects, psychological depth, and the poignant themes of identity and transformation that make it a landmark in horror cinema. Hell yeah.
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For a film as intense and as transformative as this 1986 classic, we need a cocktail that captures its unsettling and complex nature. So if you're just joining for night four, we've been doing cocktail pairings for every movie so far. Tonight, we have the Brundle Fly mutation.
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a drink that embodies the film's grotesque transformation and eerie atmosphere. Head over to our Instagram to check out the recipe and ingredients list to mix that yourself. So grab your popcorn, mix your drink, dim the lights and get ready to explore the haunting metamorphosis of man and insect.
Rating The Fly: Story and Originality
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Let the terror take flight as we dive into the fly. Very well done.
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Oh, thank you. I wanted to like, so I got to hold back my night clubbiness when I'm on other people's shows because I so badly wanted to jump in and say, when you take a swig, do you then just cough it up like onto your own hand, like awkwardly in front of people? Got to dissolve it a little bit. No. go Are there donuts in this drink?
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Dollback, Ricky didn't hold back. We declassed the Vincent Price, ah Vincent Price House of Wax real quick. It was great. Oh, okay. Great. That was a good time. Well, I just, ah you know, stepping on, I don't want to step on toes, but no, no. Okay. Well, if I think of something funny to say, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll just blur it out like a dumbass.
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OK, step on it, step on it, do it. So diving into the story, I didn't mention my wife is joining tonight. So she does. low You don't see her very often on these. I don't have infectious energy. Oh, college this year. She if she shows up, I mean, she really enjoyed the movie. So that's why she's here because she actually she actually quite enjoyed this film. So she hasn't really enjoyed a lot of the other ones.
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No, and I wouldn't even I don't even know how much. She likes this one, we'll put it that way. So the first category is story for this. Picking it off, it is a remake, very similar story. I don't know about exact story beats. It's been a long time since I saw the original. But they're both teleportation devices, are they not?
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Yeah, there there is. ah I think this is a drastically different movie from from the the original. OK, so it's been a long time since I went through my Vince Price phase. So I can't eat. It's been at least 10 years since I saw the original. So you when you when you see it again, you're going to be like, oh, shit, they got to fly with a man's head on. So I do take off one point because it is a remake, however,
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I think this film is an incredible story. I think it's a great story. i I gave it a four, docking it just one for the remake category. But I think this has more classic horror themes in it. You know, the comparisons to Frankenstein are there.
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We get that monster that scientist creates the monster. It just happens to be himself. I love this story. I think it's pretty original. I can't really compare it. It has more
Character Arcs in The Fly
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in line with those classic horror tales to me than anything else. And that's why, that's part of why I love it so much. But I gave it a four. I think it's a great story. It's pretty original. They take the premise of the previous film and they turn it into something new.
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and they turn it into something that is surprisingly profound. So um'm ah I'm a big fan of this movie. I gave it a four. What about you, Bailey? What'd you give it? Story. I think I gave it a five. I think you gave it a five. I don't know. I and like science movies. Even though I don't know if the science is real, but that's why I like Jurassic Park because it was science dinosaurs, but yeah, I science. done yeah
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That's my comment. Yeah, this I didn't consider docking a point for the remake. ah Not not for any real reason, like I just didn't even think thing to do that. And I didn't do that. ah This is a fucking five um all the way. What the the original is is from my memory is a drastically different fucking movie.
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um And yeah, I'm not going to get into that. But this movie. I don't know how much of it because this came out in the mid 80s, 86. Right. Yeah. ah Yeah. I don't know how much of this had something to do with the AIDS pandemic. But I get that vibe of like, you know, people mutation like the mutations and it's like obvious what's going on. He's called it a disease the whole time. The disease is once this, once that ah Goldblum is is saying.
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Also, I mean, it's a romance slightly. there's ah There's a romantic angle to it. And living with someone who is sick, who you're in love with, can be pretty fucking difficult. I've never had to do that, but I can just, you know,
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see that that would be a taxing experience. And this is obviously taken to the extreme and and Cronenberg infused this movie with all of his magistrate. He was he was signed on as the original director.
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ah Let me not get into Cronenberg. Sorry. I'll tangent. um We'll save that for director part. But all yeah, he definitely infuses it with what he was already known for at the time to body horror. And I'm just saying, you know, this is magnifique. This is this is affection when it comes to body horror. So really good story. Five, ah five points out of five.
Exploring Themes in The Fly
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All right, Jonathan. Well,
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um I just want to say is first off, the fact that it's all about mutations, like and watching Rick and Morty and that whole Cronenberg world shit and how crazy that was. And then like, you see this, it's a whole story about freak mutation and the director's last name is Cronenberg. I just think that's like kind of awesome. um Oh, he's Rick. It's a bunch of Cronin burrs. Shut up, Morty. Yeah. but um But yeah, this story, I remember watching this when I was a kid, like probably like early 90s and you know I was born born in the early 80s and like I watched it back then, but I haven't watched it since then. So when I watched it again last night, I was just like, wow. Crazy.
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um i I was very i'm so close to giving it a five, but I went with a four. um The story is is insane, amazing. You know you got this this introvert shy scientist who's just like cute, affable, whatever, trying to pick up this this woman who turns out she's a journalist. He knows she's a journalist.
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goes through all this just to get her attention, shows her this thing and everything goes crazy from there, you know, with the mutations and the the how fast the the relationship dynamic forms and her being on board with the project and then how it all goes to shit after he gets all stupid and jealous and drunk and then messes himself up and how crazy it goes from there all the way to the insanity and the tragedy of how it ends was just fantastic.
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And with the science element of it and the mutation, you know, this whole aspect of, oh, I'm going to create teleportation because I get motion sick and this will cure that and then just goes off on a tangent while he's drunk in his jealousy and messes himself up by fusing himself, turning his old project into a gene splicing project and messes himself up with his fly DNA and how just how wayward it goes from there is fantastic.
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Like I was so I just I was going to give it a five. But I was like, no, it's it's it was awesome. But it's not super incredibly fantastic. So I felt like a four was a good place to be with it. He could have saved himself a lot of trouble if he had just took some drama mean.
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Straight up. Yeah, Orvina just checked his pod and I've been a dumbass, you know, in his drunkenness, whatever. Look, man, we all have those crazy nights where we climb into our telepod, you know, wasted and fucking just shit happens, man, merge with a fly. Yeah, I want to do this project without her. I'll show her. Because that past life, that ex-boyfriend is messing with him. Oh, so. Into that character, that this is This movie is the definition of a character arc. Maybe not the definition, but this is a perfect example of somebody literally going through a transformation throughout the movie to the conclusion. So there's there was no way I was coming out of this movie giving it anything less than a five on the character arc. And that goes for
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both ah Gina Davis and ah Jeff Goldblum's character, they have great arcs from her first being interested in a story to then being interested in him. And on that tragedy of watching somebody that she's fallen in love with go through this, like Travis said, that's not an easy thing to do. And that's hard. And you watch him but struggle from when you get this like,
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I was getting Sam Raimi's Spider-Man moments like shortly after when he's doing the gymnastics and climbing on the ceiling. I was like, that's Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. Sam Raimi stole that from this movie. We need the Spider-Man movie. And we're getting that strength and everything seems positive. And then we get his downward trajectory and we fall back up to that tragic ending.
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It's beautiful. I love it. And there's a lot there's a lot of different interpretations of what you can walk away from this movie. From Travis, you mentioned the AIDS epidemic in the 80s and the way that was viewed. ah There's also a lot, you know, some people think it's about aging.
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It's the horrors of aging and watching someone you love suffer from aging. Yeah. Or their teeth fall out. Yeah. That people have nightmares of their teeth falling out and that's like a real ass thing. Yeah. Happens to me like probably, I don't know, a few times a year. I have dreams. are Really? Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's kind of a common nightmare too. like I didn't renew that.
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Yeah. Wow. So it disease and aging the AIDS epidemic. There's a Frankenstein parallel, just this loss of humanity that he goes through it. Like I said, it's a five. This kind of took me by surprise. I've seen it a while ago. And I think when I saw it, I was going through that, like,
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there's no way it could be as good as the original kind of stupid haughtiness about it. And so I just didn't care for it. It bored me, didn't pay attention those years ago. Watching it again for 13 Nights of Halloween, I was blown away at the
Music and Sound Design in The Fly
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depth and beauty of the story. So for me, five all the way for that character art. And then Bailey. Same.
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like in that Goldblum and that and that that Gina Davies, Davis, he sees what's her character's real name, because I knew her as Ronnie. What is Veronica? Veronica, Veronica, what? Quaff, Quaff, not Quaff, Quaff. So her stage name is Ronnie Quaff.
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That's that's what we're going with. All right. yeah um Five out of five, again, for the character arcs here, Gina Davis is awesome as like she wants to nail a a really sensational story, plays that character really well. And yeah, because of fucking this dude's name is like ah I want to say Stannis Baratheon, but it's not it's like it's it's like Stappus, isn't it? That's about that in my.
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I could didn't know what it was. Stathis Baron is his name. Yeah. And it makes me think of Stannis Baratheon. He's got this boring status, boring. OK. Yes, it's kind of close, right? Oh, very much. The only other character of note in the film, too. Yeah. I mean, it's really just them three the whole year. You got a side characters here and there who do or who are all more than serviceable. But that that pervy douchebag ex-boyfriend boss of Gina Davis, he's just fun. I like him. I like that scene where he's like,
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she She goes back to her apartment and catches him in the shower and she's like, what are you doing here? He's like, I was in the neighborhood. I felt scummy. Like, yeah, yeah, you scumbag. You are scummy. Yeah, dude. That line when he's just like, what about sex? You know, no emotions. What about I'm like, man, this is you can tell when this was made because I don't think he'd have a job today.
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No, hell no. Well, I say hell no, but who knows what still goes on. That's how much money he has. Yeah. But Gina Davison, you know, falling in love with with the genius, genius boy, wonder, gold, gold bloom. And you watch her pain.
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of watching him go through pain. she Gina Davis nails this man. She is perfect to to the very last frame of this picture. And Goldblum, you keep you keep saying Frankenstein and I had this interpretation watching it that it was like a slow Jekyll to hide like like a slow you know but but that brings up that classic sensibility you were talking about this movie having and and I guess that's like that's classic Hollywood you know monster movie but
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At least that's that's the vibe I got off of it, too, was like, just this is like a another version of that story kind of, um which is different, different plot elements and things thrown in there. But the characters are fantastic. um Kudos once again to Cronenberg, because he also would be rewriting shit from the script all the time. Like, yeah, no, I'm changing this. I'm changing this. The character arc nobody talks about is that poor baboon that gets turned inside out, man.
00:21:00
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No, that monkey murder my brother hangs around. Yeah, he's just like, yeah I get all the treats now he eats. He eats all of the cookie dough cookie dough. wass Did you figure out what happened to the living baboon?
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It never comes up. It it just falls off. She wanted to know about who disappears. I haven't. I have an answer if you want it now. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm sure he's dead now. Oh, oh, he's very vomited. No, no. There's a deleted scene um where.
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Jeff Goldblum's, uh, takes that, that baboons and a cat. And cause he's testing out merging two beings into one, like what his plan is at the end. So he's testing it. So he puts the baboon over here and the kitty over there merges them together and they come out as this vicious, hybrid, crazy thing. And he beats it to death with a pipe. What? yeah well No way. Oh, I gotta look at that up. Look it up. Yeah.
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So it's also a tragic end for the brother of the inside out baboon. Well, that's very upsetting. Yeah. So no animal made it out of this movie alive. and There is there is no happy ending. This is just bleak. It's in ah in its in its own philosophical
Practical Effects and Editing in The Fly
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way. It's cosmic as fuck. the This is ah like you said, the classic sensibilities. And I don't think I'm I think that's what I'm making the comparison to not directly to Frankenstein.
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yeah in a way he created his own monster, but I like what you said about the slow Jekyll to hide, but it's it's that classic sensibility of the slow burn, the obsession. The horror is the horrors classic. I don't know how else to describe it. it's Something you feel. It's like it's like Breaking Bad, man. It's like watching Walter White slowly turn into Heisenberg. You know, it's just it's that it's that. Good guy going to anti hero, then or it's it's ah the bad Dark Knight quote, you know, you live long enough to see yourself become the I guess it's all sort of springs forth from whatever this original idea is that like humans are corruptible.
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in in various ways, and he was corrupted by his his his drunken ambition. His hubris. Mm hmm. All right, Jonathan, we guys so. but As far as our scale, man, yeah you're right, there there was a lot of arc action. This is definitely an arc film with Gina Davis, you know,
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through everything that she goes through emotionally. It was very it was a very brisk romance. you know She's still dealing with her ex-boyfriend slash editor and his bullshit, trying to go out and do something, meets him, gets on board with his project, whirlwind romance, things get crazy. And then once she gets serious with the accident, with things, with the teleportation, it just goes horribly wrong with her.
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And then finding out that she's pregnant and then having this abortion nightmare of this giant larva being pulled out of her. Oh, yes. Just how intense that is. Yeah, that that's got to be just so brutal for someone had to deal with. And then going through the end and having to eventually do this mercy killing at the end of it just is it's got to just tear her absolutely apart.
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It kind of kills me, though, because you never get resolution in this film. What happens with the pregnancy, of course, that does get explained and resolved in the sequel to the fly to. um So you know you can always watch that and see how that plays on with Eric Stoltz and other people.
00:24:57
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um And with Jeff Goldblum as a Seth Brundle, man, the guy, he he starts out as this, this, this innocent affable scientist who's looking for love. He's lonely. He's been in this warehouse for a long time, meets her, gets her back to his place and gets her on buttons. It falls into everything. And he's so happy.
00:25:18
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He's so excited, you know, you know, he's he's he's able to do his work. He's got someone to help push him and to help him find the success when they get the breakthrough. And then for it all to fall apart and then for his mentality to change as he transforms with this this accidental splicing.
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You know, it it' it sucks and the the mental impact that's got to have and how he changes throughout the story towards the end. He's like, anybody tells her you have to leave. You can can't stay here. I will hurt you. You know, when he's explaining the whole insect politics thing, ah just it it was crazy how that worked out. But the other arc, though, Stannis.
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Stanis has his art. he's such a He is such a D-bag. He seems like such a scummy piece of shit. You know, but then eventually towards the end, he's the support for Ronnie while she's going through this tragic situation with Seth and then ends up being sort of like a side hero yeah he by helping her escape the pod and not be spliced up with everything, even though he gets totally effed in the situation. Yeah, but.
00:26:30
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He has a bit of arc. his growth You see some growth with him as being not just some sleazebag ex-boyfriend, but becoming so much more and being like a side kind of antihero. He's he's the he's the jagbag who still kind of saves the day. He's ah he's a grower, not a shower.
00:26:45
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Exactly. There you go. That's right. He would like that joke. That nasty. Oh, he sure he would. would He would. That's absolute. But um overall, like it it's it's a lot of sweetness in how much arc there is. But I still I i gave it a four. I gave it a four. Only because of the fact that you don't get any kind of resolution with the pregnancy by the anywhere near the end of the film. OK, unless you watch more deleted scenes.
00:27:14
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Oh, there's more in the deleted scenes on that. And it's not worth it. you'd You'd rather end like this because it's. OK.
Analysis of The Fly's Script
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Yeah. Yeah. So the next category is the music and sound design, which music for this movie.
00:27:34
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It's composed by Howard Shore, the Lord of the Rings composing Howard Shore. But he actually got his start on Cronenberg movies. So one of his his second movie ever, he did the music for The Brood. He did scanners, video drone. And shortly after that, The Fly.
00:28:02
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some other things in between there, but the music in this movie is, as to be expected with Howard Short, it's fantastic. The music is from the opening credits. We're sitting there watching the movie and I looked at her and I was like, this music is incredible.
00:28:22
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It's beautiful because in the theme that you compose for the fly, I hear both the beauty and the tragedy of the story. just through the music. He communicates the feel of the movie through the music. And then on top of that, we are talking about the creature sound effects and just how squishy and sloppy and gross all of those sound effects are. And it's ah also fantastic. But there's this balance of
00:29:02
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silence at times where that kind of creates this isolation throughout the film where we really, this room, this movie takes place 90% in one room.
00:29:18
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And there's that isolation throughout all of it. We get a couple scenes here and there, but the music kind of aids in that. The music heightens the moments it's supposed to in a beautiful way. I often say that, you know, fives are the jaws in Star Wars of the worlds. They're the easy recognize John Williams. But this is one that for me,
00:29:45
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This music was fantastic and I would listen to it on its own. I would listen to just the score, to the fly, because it is such a beautiful soundtrack for a horror movie. It's not just frightening in the way that horror movie soundtracks are supposed to be.
00:30:03
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But like I said, I can hear the tragedy in the way Howard Shore wrote the music. It's something bigger. So we were going to do some of the classic movies. We talked about Vincent Price. We have the Vincent Price House of Wax coming up in a couple of nights. But this soundtrack reminded me more of those classic horror soundtracks, those big musical moments.
00:30:29
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accompanying the correct scenes. This was a five for me. It was a knockout from Howard Shore. I love everything from the sound design to the music itself. hi i would The opening theme, I'll go just go back to that again. And I just love listening to it. I will sit through those credits. They're not the most exciting credits I've ever seen at the beginning of a movie, but the music is worth just sitting there and listening to because it is fantastic.
00:31:02
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That was a lot of thoughts. Yeah. I think I gave it a three because I didn't think anything about it. But but I also think you're biased because of Lord of the Rings. That's a hot take. Shots fired.
00:31:20
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ah side after The greatest movies ever made, but OK. Oh, yeah. Side tangent. um Howard Shore came from horror. So did Peter Jackson. Lord of the Rings is steeped in horror, baby.
00:31:31
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It's even New Line Cinema, which began with horror. That's why the mud people are so scary. The mud people, the Erichai. Yeah. Yeah, they are. that Peter Jackson knew how to fucking terrify everybody's ass. OK, so. Actual. Absolutely. I find the opening theme derivative of the shining.
00:31:52
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um bur or No, fuck no, man. This is a five out of five. This is amazing. I actually did get shining vibes from the opening theme, but in ah in the best ways. And when when you talk about striking a balance between a really good score that this is This is the kind of score that if you pay attention to it, it'll stand out. But if you but if you don't, it does its job and it just goes with the movie. um that bailey Bailey, as an example, she just it it just worked. It it did did it so well, she didn't even notice it. But but i but but I bet subconsciously it adds to the experience.
00:32:30
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um That balance with the silence was is perfectly done in a scene that one of y'all mentioned earlier, the gymnastics scene where Brundle is figuring out, oh, my God, I could be in the Olympics soon. I'm Spider-Man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Brundle nastics. Yeah, dude. But it so turns out.
00:32:51
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He's going to be the one fucking chunking pumpkin bombs that evil son of a bitch. Oh, shit. Yeah, look, the score is tremendous. And there was there was a song ah that was sanctioned for this movie by Roxy Music. And they wrote a song called Help Me, which was originally going to play over the ending credits. But it's like a it's like a pop song love ballad. And and Cronenberg was like,
00:33:16
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This just doesn't fit with the movie. So you can actually hear it in the movie when Brundle goes to the bar to snap that dude's arm in half. Yeah. Yeah. they so it's a media brand Yeah. dude so as I bet you $100 and taking that lady home for the night. like What do you think I am?
00:33:36
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prostitu well And um he doesn't argue. No. the He's like, you you know what you are. ah and I like Mike tonight. It's fantastic, man. I love the score. I have no issues with it
Performance Analysis of Goldblum and Davis
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whatsoever. It works with it. And I think if you if you would play it on its own, it would give you the vibes.
00:34:00
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Right on, right on, right on. So i I was really immersed into the dialogue and the visuals of everything of what was happening. So I fall in line with Bailey on this. um it It all just kind of blended and it it helped accentuate things in the background, but ultimately it wasn't something I really paid attention to. ah So I'm sitting at a three as well.
00:34:23
Speaker
um and that's that yeah It's hard for me to really pay attention to to the sound when there's so much to look at. So ah that's just where I kind of get stuck with it. You know, it it was good. It was definitely very, very 80s soundtrack kind of sound. ah But other than that, it it just didn't really stand out too much for me. You get some of those sound effects from like ah once the baboon is unsuccessful with teleportation and you see it and it's like the sounds of the. Such a great sound. I love it. Really squelchy freak out sounds, you know.
00:34:59
Speaker
it It gets you, man. it is It's out there. um But aside from that, you know, nothing else really, really, really caught much for me. oh So I've. Jonathan, when he when he squeezes his fucking bulbous ass finger and it. Oh, God. Yeah. OK. Yeah. Yeah. When his the ear comes off or the jaw. Oh, the sounds. Yes. He switches. Yeah.
00:35:23
Speaker
Yeah, nasty squishes versus the good squishes on the couch. You know that pull out calf bit. Oh man. that that bar is What is that nasty line? ah You got so much liquid inside you. Oh, I don't remember it. She says something about how she doesn't know.
00:35:45
Speaker
how he has so much juice inside. Oh yeah. She's like, we've been at it for hours. I'm surprised you still have any fluids left in your body. Yeah. It's disgusting. Awful line. And he's just, ah he's kissing her. And if you notice when he kisses her, he like licks his lips because you know why flies pester you?
00:36:07
Speaker
because they're attracted to the oils and the salt from from your your your skin. That's why they constantly keep landing on you. They're not trying to bother you. They're just like, I really like all this. You taste good. Yeah. So he must, he was tasting her literally when he was kissing her. Like that ball was like, Oh, Oh, Oh my God. Yeah. but la la la la but then he Then he had to quick run to the freezer and start eating all the ice cream. The, well, so you mentioned not just the sound design,
00:36:37
Speaker
but you mentioned some of the special effects when you were talking about popping his finger, his bulbous finger in the mirror. ah Jonathan mentioned one of my favorites was ripping his jaw off at the end. The the the effects in this film, i I don't like vomit. So this movie, the first time when he just pukes on the food,
00:37:05
Speaker
is kind of played for laughs. It's played for laughs. like I thought that scene was funny at the end when he is vomiting on Stannis Baratheon.
00:37:17
Speaker
yeah ah That scene I almost threw up. I leaned back to her. I was like, I'm going to be sick. This is It's so good. It was epi it was so epic. I love that part. I physically got ill because of how fantastic that scene was. I thought I was going to sympathetic puke because of it. The part of it that freaks me out, though, that specific scene is whenever he so homeboy, his fist is melted in front of his own face and he's starting to like pass out.
Cronenberg's Directorial Influence
00:37:50
Speaker
The part that I get creeped out at is once he once Stannis falls on the floor,
00:37:55
Speaker
Brundlefly is like doing that fly shit where he's quick looking everywhere and then he didn't he like just hovers over his leg and starts. but I'm like, you creepy son of a bitch. You're being creepy on purpose, aren't you? I thought he was going to start eating him. The lead scene. Oh, damn deleted scenes in a deleted scene after he spits all over his his foot, his ankle, he starts eating the foot.
00:38:22
Speaker
that That makes sense to me. that's That's where I thought it was going, but that is done so well. But also the scene when like the flesh falls off of the final fly form before he goes back in, looks so fantastic from the eyeballs popping and melting down the face. So good, so good. Cronenberg does not disappoint when it comes to this kind of stuff. And this,
00:38:50
Speaker
from the low effects at the beginning. I hate fingernail stuff, too. i i Body horror is not my thing. But the fingernail stuff, because it it it it grosses me out. But fingernail stuff in the mirror, that was gross. Popping it with the zit. I actually don't mind like zit popping stuff. That's most that's fine with me. But but fingernails. Oh, brother. Oh.
00:39:17
Speaker
yeah I can take that. So I loved the effects in it. I also thought just the transitions with the special effects of the teleportation device looked good. The whole thing is a masterclass in practical effects for creature design. The puppetry on the final creature.
00:39:42
Speaker
is insane. It's so good from bottom to top. And the final creature design, when he grabs that rifle in his pincer and holds it to his head, the amount of emotion that they showed on this creature is insane. He had big sad fly eyes. Yeah.
00:40:10
Speaker
Buzz buzz. There's no way a CGI fly creature would have ever looked that good ever. I don't I don't believe it. This is this is a masterclass in practical creature design and effects. This was a five for me. I was blown away by this. I loved it. Thought it was so good. Yes.
00:40:36
Speaker
I'm the only thing I was going to always on the show. Yeah, I have so much to say about movies. um I just remember it's better than
The Fly's Impact and Legacy
00:40:45
Speaker
The Exorcist because when The Exorcist girl threw up, I just started laughing. And I think I was like 12 when I watched it. I thought I was like, this is so stupid. But it was yeah, it was good enough that I thought it was really gross and also sad. So five out of five. Gross and sad are like the two things that get her to show up for a movie. Hell yeah.
00:41:08
Speaker
OK, well, hot damn. How does Brundlefly eat? um That that first scene when he when he he just does it in front of Gina Davis, like, because he's not thinking about it the first time he pukes on whatever he's holding, like a donut or something. Yeah.
00:41:23
Speaker
And he's like, oh, I'm sorry. That's disgusting. I'm like, that's the part that made me laugh. The part where he's doing like doing the video demonstration and and the it cuts to us watching Stannis Baratheon pining over the Iron Throne, but watching this video in the meantime,
00:41:42
Speaker
That was so effective. And I know we're not on the editing yet, but just that one part. But that's when the the it was more gross to me, even though you didn't get to see it, you just got to hear it. And that's more sound design. But we're talking special effects, special effects.
00:41:58
Speaker
Editing and special effects are lumped together for exactly that reason. So, you know, OK. Well, good. And then that worked out um just that that overall, when it comes to the editing in this movie there, I find no fault in it. There's nothing that I would change about any single scene that I saw in this movie. um So that's that's great. And that the last 10, eight to 10 minutes or like you said, du that's a tour de force.
00:42:25
Speaker
Yeah, you you the movie is sprinkled with special effects that are 10 out of 10. And this is Cronenberg at the height of his powers. um He's done great shit before this and great shit after it. But hu this is the fucking fly, bro.
00:42:41
Speaker
like the hint the ah The ending where you you talk about the the shotgun, he's holding the shotgun to his head and Gina Davis crying just like and saying no, like, no, God, no. And then she blows it apart. That mercy killing.
00:42:59
Speaker
It's incredible. If I was David k Cronenberg, I'd have just been hard the whole time I'm making this, not because I like the way it looks, but I just know like, yeah, dude, I'm doing this shit. This is fucking happening right now. He has to he has to walk off that set, what ah what a you know just feeling incredible, man. that To make a movie like this in in general and have these effects, yeah, five out of five for for the effects and the editing,
00:43:28
Speaker
It's fucking so far, I'm just knocking out the park with these fives. I'm just saying. Well, for me, man, the 80s was such a fantastic time of practical effects. Anyway, there were so many films that had so much awesomeness in it for practical effects. um This film just had so much of it and it was so good.
00:43:50
Speaker
Like even like when you see the scene in the bar where he's arm wrestling Mickey and then that back and forth, even that close up shot where you see like the fluids coming out from under Seth's fingers while he's gripping in the back and forth and then you the snap.
00:44:06
Speaker
You know, and then you see the bone sticking out of his arm. Everything just right out. This is, oh, my God. Oh, you know, it just really gets you seeing that. And it was so fantastic. And then you've got the seven stages of development of the transformation as as you watch the film a little bit by bit.
00:44:27
Speaker
And eventually you see the part where the pieces are falling off, where the ear comes off, but you know? And then while he's peeling all the other stuff off, you know even with the fingernails, like, oh God, fingernails is rough, dude. I've i've had to pull fingernails out.
00:44:44
Speaker
i had ah I had a pinky toenail I stubbed was that peeled it up and I just had to pull the thing out. My big toe got jacked up. I had to cut it off pieces and pull it out from the root. Oh, yeah, you got some going on there. yeah travis You can't see it really well on the camera, but I've had this finger completely split in half down the middle um and the fingernail I found it on the ground. It was curled up.
00:45:05
Speaker
Like like when it's not in your finger, I guess it curls up like like a piece of paper or a scroll. I had a hey, when my finger got split, it was I was loading some pipe onto a trailer and the dude, it was some four inch PVC that guy on the other end, he shoved that pipe and it it but it got my finger got caught between the pipe and the railing on the on the trailer.
00:45:30
Speaker
ah Instant split in half. I'm holding it. Blood everywhere. I got I got pictures. I'll send them to you. um You could look at them. Pass right the hell out. You could go to bed. That's how you're going to go to bed tonight. um And dude dude it was so painful. So I feel I feel Brundle flies pain in that in that moment. And one other quick little thing, I'm going to shut the fuck up. um That liquid he was emitting. Do you know what that is?
00:45:55
Speaker
It's an enzyme. It's I know a little too much about flies, I guess. Yeah. I juice i don't know. It's a digestive enzyme. yeah the The thing coming out of his fingers is what allows the flies to like walk on walls and shit like that. That's so that that goo coming out of his fingers is why later in the movie you see him, which I Amazing special effect having Jeff Goldblum crawl all over the ceiling in the walls throughout this fucking movie. But yeah, that that's what that juice is coming out of his fingers that shit that he squirts against the mirror and all that. Yeah.
00:46:28
Speaker
OK, well, that it kind of explains part of the whole arm wrestling scene and how he had such a good grip, then, because he's using that juice from his fingers to really get that grip in to really pull down on him. I was wondering how it didn't make it slippery. So that makes that makes sense. That answers that. Yeah, that guy's hand should be slipping right out. But that fly juice car is advocating his hand.
00:46:53
Speaker
But yeah, even from then though, like as more stuff comes off, you said one part where he opens the bathroom cabinet and he's got his little, his little cabinet of ah horrors of his pieces. Like his dicks are falling off. It's the Brundle Fly Museum of Natural History, dude. That's one of my favorite parts of the movie. Yeah. There was just, there was so much awesomeness in those effects, even like,
00:47:18
Speaker
the when it towards the end of the film where Stathis saves Ronnie by blowing up the the cable to the computer and as Brindlefly tries to escape the pod to try and get after them. And it all goes down in the piece like the effects of just like him disappearing, the de-materialization, him and the part of the door in the pod and then reemerging from the other one and how twisted and messed up everything is.
00:47:45
Speaker
from the combination of it, it was amazing. It just looked so awesome. There was some great stuff there. The people that wrote the $6 million dollar man, they were like, we can rebuild him. We can make him strong. Oh, oh no. Oh, not like that. No, not even close to like that. And like, even when you see like the the first baboon, a brother and like how twisted that was and like how it shuttered and moved and just all twisted being inside out was so freaky.
00:48:15
Speaker
Oh, that's so that hard. So so many people. Is the way it's moving in the sounds that that goop is making, just like. I got the impression that that baboon felt it.
00:48:30
Speaker
Oh, yeah. That baboon felt being turned inside out and left on the floor of that pod. That was tragic in itself. So good. Imagine a fate like that. Like imagine that fate for you, for yourself, like being inside out the whole way. Like someone took you like a glove and just whoop. Yeah. Dude, the fuck out of here with that. Yeah. No, she's making the monkey in the wrong way. Oh, no. Images in my head.
00:49:00
Speaker
But there was ah there's there's so much good stuff though, man. You gotta have some major appreciation for it. I wasn't gonna say it's top-notch. Super, super supreme. So I gave it a four. It was close to five, but I gave it, I was i sit pretty solid a four, almost like four and a half. You're gonna have to answer Travis on that one.
00:49:25
Speaker
Just a question, what movie like has has better practical effect? not well there's I think there's a lot that are on par, like the thing, but like what what could what is better than this? I'd like to know.
00:49:39
Speaker
The thing I would have to I would need more time for deliberation on that. I would need more time with it on the spot. I couldn't tell you because I want a good recommend, man. Like I want to go watch what but what is better than this and be like, hell, yeah, that's awesome. Because no let me think on that and I'll get back to you on that. But okay I don't know if there's any film I would give a total five because five is that's that's that's. Top notch chef kiss like I did. That's where I'm at with this movie. I'm at top notch chef's kiss with this one.
00:50:07
Speaker
but was it Well, I'll think on it and I'll get back to i'll got Travis at some point. I'm a kiss the chef's butthole on this movie. was a little right Yeah, yeah, dude. With your little fly mouth that's hanging off the head towards the end after the transformation as Joe comes off. I used to know what that was called. I don't anymore. But it's some crazy word like a beluba or some shit. I don't I don't know. Some people just use the. Proboscis, proboscis. I thought of a movie of the Grinch. I think that looks pretty good.
00:50:39
Speaker
I mean, I love did Jim Carrey Grinch. Yeah, I love that movie. They did a great fucking job with all the fucking and makeup and all the shit in that movie. That's imagine having to stage all that stuff and and get it all right. That's crazy. lo Who now is now the lead singer of a band. Really? Awesome. snap Pretty, right pretty reckless. It's a metal band. Is it Cindy Lou and the Hoos? No, because it would be ah the pretty reckless. So it's a metal hard rock band.
00:51:09
Speaker
I've heard of the man, but I don't know if I heard their music. Yeah, she is. The lead singer is Cindy Lou who? She was recently bit by a bat on stage shit performance. Yeah, it's crazy. She tried to copy Ozzy and the bat bit back. Yeah. video The video of her, that bat just flies up and lands on her shorts and is there for a little bit and then bites her leg. It's weird. Is and she like the female Mobius now?
00:51:40
Speaker
yeah It's better than better than the Jared Leto version for sure. So the script now, we talked about the special effects, the script in this movie.
00:51:52
Speaker
The script in this movie is another one that caught me by surprise. Bailey mentioned earlier that she enjoyed this movie because of the science elements in it, as well as the tragedy. But the science is explained. I love that it's dumbed down enough for us to understand, but still sounds plausible in the way that it's written. They still try to make it make sense.
00:52:18
Speaker
other than the fact that he had to teach the computer the significance of the flush. That's kind of vague, but it's also kind of. It works. It makes sense. I like it, but there are some.
00:52:32
Speaker
killer lions in this movie. Uh, when he, you mentioned the insects, insect politics, and he says they don't have any, they're very brutal, but he says, I am an insect who dreamt he was a man and loved it, but now the dream is over and the insect is awake. Such a good line. I love that line. Yeah. And then,
00:52:59
Speaker
When he's just there's that moment when he's hugging Ronnie. And he says he's afraid. Mm hmm. That is just it's raw. It's so good. He's like, help me. Help me, please. It's so powerful and it's so good. Help me. Help me be human. So good. It's also a surprising amount of humor.
00:53:30
Speaker
In the movie, like you mentioned the Brundle Museum of Natural History. what You want to see what else is in it. It. There's funny elements in this. I'm trying to think the line, the line whenever he tells her like that he accidentally also made a gene splicing machine and he says the computer didn't know what to do, so it just put me in the fly together and made it us. I was never even properly introduced. Yes.
00:53:58
Speaker
Yeah, it's funny. And even her line ah about her, about Stathis, who we've referred to as Sam Sperathian, about when he sends that cover art to Seth's house, and she looks at it and she says, the residue of a former life, it's time to finally scrape it off my shoe. Like, it's so good. So from top to bottom, again,
00:54:28
Speaker
This script is so much better than it has any right to be. It hits the tragedy. It hits the emotion, the horror. It hits all the right notes. This is
00:54:47
Speaker
This is why I watch horror movies. This this script, this movie is why I watch horror movies to kind of get this resonance with these characters, even though I am not slowly turning into a fly, just that idea of seeing yourself become something you don't want to be. You know, it's it's deep. It hits all the right notes for me. I gave this script a five. I think it is a on I'll save it for final thoughts, but this script does not sleep at all. This script is fantastic all the way through.
00:55:27
Speaker
Oh, I think I said four because I didn't know what else to say. You should just you should just give it a five then. Yeah, I guess. I mean, yeah you give it a four, but it is what it is. I thought it was good. It is what it is. I think. Did I laugh one time? I think you did laugh. I think I laughed one time.
00:55:46
Speaker
So that's pretty good. Which if she laughs, that's amazing. Yeah. She laughed one time at Deadpool, even though she, she will tell you she didn't. Yeah. Well, I don't know how you don't laugh at Ryan Reynolds. I love Ryan Reynolds. I think he's hilarious. I just look at his face and laugh. he He's got such a dopey. got hanger He's got a weird, but he is a handsome fella. Good old guy. His eyes are a little too close together, but whoa.
00:56:13
Speaker
yeah Don't you talk about that angel that way. Don't talk about his beautiful eyes. Don't talk about my, my brindle baby fly like that.
00:56:24
Speaker
you censoring it okay yeah you Yeah, I've been I've been looking at it every once in a while for the if you leave if you leave this in for the listeners, um Tim and Bailey have the fly playing in the background and it's very fucking cool. I watch it. I watch it. Yeah, me too. I've been looking at it. um i well I saw the arm breaking part and I was like, yeah.
00:56:47
Speaker
That's where Roxy Music is playing. um The script, yeah, you said it all. You said it all really, like like a lot of the best lines and I'm hard pressed to really think of some more at the moment, but the movie's littered with them. Like there's more than just that. From top to bottom, it's the script is tight.
00:57:07
Speaker
This movie is an hour 35 with credits at the beginning and the end. So you're looking at probably an hour 27 or something of just boom, boom, boom, giving it to you. Chef's butthole kiss bliss. Like this is awesome. And a lot of this is because of, uh, car or almost call them carpenter, uh, Cronenberg.
00:57:32
Speaker
which I'm going to save for the directing, I guess, but, but, but but since it is a script, brought yeah he yeah, he, he re the original script when, when he got hold of this project and he had to give it away for a minute, but then he got it back. Um, he was just like, yeah, I want, I want to change what I want to change. And they were like, yeah, you can go ahead. I don't know if we talked about this or, or if y'all do, but the budget for this movie,
00:57:59
Speaker
was around, well, estimates between nine and 15. So let's call it, let's call it 10 or $11 million. It made like, I think it was like 60 something million at the box office. This movie was a smash. Okay. It was a banger in 86 and it's all because of this fucking script. This is what the acting is all coming off of. This is what all the special effects were, you know, it's, it's written in there by the way,
00:58:26
Speaker
This is an Oscar winning film. It won an Oscar for the for the for the makeup and effects. So. Also, that the that's the previous category, but still it came from the script, baby. ah Five out of five. Heck, yeah. the The script had a lot of great dialogue that is it is undeniable. Fantastic dialogue from the very start.
00:58:50
Speaker
when they meet at the party between Seth and Ronnie. um And she's just like, you don't get out much, do you? And he's just like, you can tell that? You know, just in the how clearly she sounded about it, you know, between that and his explanation of trying to get her to understand the project, even between the dialogue between her and staff, this and his bullshit, um even when like they're talking when he stocks her into that clothing store and yeah and everything goes between them.
00:59:19
Speaker
There was so much good, just smart dialogue. And it's cute. It's funny. Some of it's a little punchy. It was really good. I like the way that they wrote it out. um So I said. I put a four, but I'm going to put. um Yeah, you. Yeah, you will. I forget five. Yeah. Hell yeah. It's hard to beat that dialogue. It was such smart dialogue and the way that it's delivered.
00:59:49
Speaker
It's hard to beat that, man. it it to said it It's damn good. It's damn good. I can't think of an exchange in the film that comes across as awkward or poorly written because there isn't one. Even when Stathis is being disgusting, it's fits the character so smoothly and effortlessly. It's so good. And then there's the moments of Goldblum just going on tangents and losing his mind. And the script is still- Oh, dude, you jog my memory. I love when he's like, you're afraid of getting spliced up, aren't you? You're afraid of getting put back together, aren't you? Well, I'm talking about going beyond the veil of flesh into the plasma pool. And I'm like, goddamn, Goldblum's going crazy.
01:00:41
Speaker
Yep, that is exactly but ah exactly what I was talking about. It's just so good. The script is amazing. Yeah, even when they're in that little cafe scene between Seth and Ronnie, and he's getting so fucking hyped. And she's like, ah do you normally take coffee with your sugar? And he's like continually pouring, like putting the sugar in his stuff while he's just on his rant? Just like, man, fantastic dialogue. Yeah.
01:01:08
Speaker
oh And to compare those scenes with earlier, when he is that kind of awkward nerd, who's kind of, you get this idea that he might be a little bit insecure, but he's trying to impress her. And then towards the end, when he just becomes obsessive. And it's, i I love the scene when they first get there at the beginning and he's sitting down at the piano and he plays and she's like, well, I should probably get going. And he goes,
01:01:37
Speaker
Oh, I can't let you leave now, not after you've seen them, like pretending he's the crazy killer. I was like, is so when he said when he's saying that he also plays ominous notes on the piano to match his dialogue. Like, dude, sound. Yeah. The nuances that are at play are incredible. If if. If the Academy wouldn't be some snobby snob folks, this movie could have been nominated for a lot of shit that year, a lot of shit.
01:02:08
Speaker
It's better than The Shape of Water. I do really like that movie. But yeah, this is better than that. Yeah. Yeah. I like Shape of Water, too. But this is like that was an Academy Award for Best Picture. And this film is better. It took them. ah It took them a long time to come around. You know, they still snubbed my bae, Tony Collette, for hereditary.
01:02:36
Speaker
That's her favorite. She should have won best. Yeah, she should have won best actress. And I don't remember what was the nominees that year because I stopped paying attention a long time ago. I used to keep up with that. But a hereditary should have won best picture, too. She was insanely good in that film. She makes that film. Oh, yeah, she makes it. So speaking of making the film, the direction we've been talking about Cronenberg.
01:03:00
Speaker
because his fingerprints are who acting, skipping acting, dude. Oh, I skipped acting. and That's the great thing about this movie. the The script is like the for this movie script is an amazing segue into the acting for this one. So yeah, it is because.
01:03:21
Speaker
not just are we acknowledging these subtle changes that are happening with Goldblum's South Brundle's character throughout the film, but the way he performs these changes is amazing. So Travis mentioned that little bit of him tasting her earlier during that kissing scene, but the way he just gradually like does these little head movements and ticks and just slowly his body starts to act different hunched over the way he starts to talk faster or more obsessively. He
01:04:01
Speaker
So watching this again, coming back to it after a couple of years, I was like, he's not that good in the beginning. I was like, he's fine. He's Jeff Goldblum, but he's kind of wooden. And then you realize that he's wooden on purpose because he's about to go crazy. And it's just another layer of like, he's wooden because that character is kind of stiff and wooden.
01:04:23
Speaker
And then as he starts to become the fly, he starts to let loose and become unleashed. And he's amazing. He goes full Nic Cage. Oh, it's fantastic. And then Gina Davis is heartbreaking.
01:04:43
Speaker
Do you see the sadness on her face and you see the kind of The disinterest at the beginning of her, we talked about the character arcs, but she's just there to write a story. She was sent to write a story. It's why she's there. Slowly kind of falls in love and experiences this tragedy and you see it on her face. And that moment when she pulls that shotgun on him in the final scene is brutal, not just in practical effect execution, but in emotion as well. And it it's all because of her face in that moment. It's so good. The acting in this movie
01:05:23
Speaker
It's a five again for me. It's it's a five. I could not ask for anything more from any of these characters in any moment. It's perfect deliveries of every line the entire way through. What did I say? What did you say? Since you sent your score to my email, you said up you set four.
01:05:52
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know, that was in one again where I was like, I don't like doing the score. Cause sometimes I don't know what number to give it and then I just click something. Okay. But i go how you feel yeah, it was a good time. I believed it. Believable and good. but hey What was your favorite? What was your favorite bit of acting?
01:06:21
Speaker
Good question. ah She really liked the whore. When was that? I don't know. We watched it like three days ago. That was a long time ago. That's the girl in the bar. She's like, what do you think I am, a whore? No, I don't know.
01:06:38
Speaker
um
01:06:41
Speaker
The baboon.
01:06:44
Speaker
That was a good actor. The baboon bamin was a good actor. Oh, notoriously gave his life. She is a thing. She enjoys monkeys. We had to watch all the Planet of the Apes because she's she's on a ball dude. Hey, hey, you need to look up your buddy, Travis, the chimpanzee. Look up that story. Travis, the chimpanzee. It's a real life story. Look that up. That's the one where it like ripped the the trainer that came back after years for his birthday and ripped his genitals off. It's something along those lines.
01:07:14
Speaker
Anyway, it's no, it's not that story, but it's it's very similar because of what happens. um All right. My bad. yeah um was more distraction No, I wanted to know what she what her what scene she really liked. ah But um yeah, the acting is amazing, dude. It's a five out of five. Again, that a lot of Oscar worthy performances, in my opinion. ah Gina Davis, the emotion, Jeff Goldblum, the transformation, the side characters are all
01:07:45
Speaker
Incredible like they do exactly what they need to do from stannis to the fucking jerks at the bar to the chick he picks up um, there's not really there's not really any more like this movie is so That I wanted to bring that up a second ago. It's the third time I'm going to mention Breaking Bad tonight, I think. But um it's apropos. A lot of shows have an episode sometimes where they hold back on the budget for one particular episode, and it's called the bottle episode of the season. That's when they use minimal characters and they only usually only use like one location like this movie.
01:08:22
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There's an episode of Breaking Bad called Fly, where Walt and Jesse are in the lab and the entire episode, a lot of great dialogue is happening and conversations, but the whole episode, they're trying to kill a fly. They're in a lab trying to kill a fly.
01:08:39
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I'm like that's I had to mention it because the tie in is perfect because this is the fly. It takes place in his home slash lab and you know, he ends up dead. So but just to say and they did it very minimal movie and they put all the money towards I'm pretty sure the special effects because I don't know how big of a draw Goldblum or Gina Davis was at the time in 86. I don't honestly know. I don't remember you know what movies they were in before that but I don't think Goldblum was in. I think this is his first lead, to be honest. This was his first lead. He was coming off of late 70s. He had done Invasion of the Body Snatchers, which we have that one coming up tomorrow. um He played a bit part in um
01:09:26
Speaker
some movie where he he rapes he rapes a chick and he's like yo you're gonna get it mother you're gonna get it and he's like going crazy and uh i heard about this on a podcast that that used to exist shout out say you love satan rip and i was like i gotta watch this movie because of the way they describe this scene because jeff goblooms being ridiculous and he's ridiculous it's worth watching because he's really psychopath i wish i could remember the movie it might be No, it's not dark, man. Ah, I'm not going to remember it, but nicely. I'm I'm tangenting my ass off. Um, yeah, dude, the acting's phenomenal. I don't know what else to say about it that Tim didn't say. And and we couldn't get Bailey to stop talking about it. So I'll just stop talking about it right now. Like it's a five out of five, man. Oh, yeah. So.
01:10:16
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I feel like after we talked about it, like it just happens to me a lot. I'll score something and then we'll talk about it and then I'll feel like I need to change the score and ah it it fits in this situation for acting for sure. um the The dialogue, thats theres but just the rapport between Jeff Goldblum and Gina Davis through all this and then the interaction between Gina Davis and and ah John Getz, Stathis,
01:10:43
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it's It's so well done. Like Stathis and Ronnie, like with him being the ex and stalking her into that clothing store and how twisted he gets with his jealousy, like a weird freaky stalker asshole who thinks he's all powerful would be. He totally nails it. You know, he he really runs in on that. And then with.
01:11:06
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Seth, as he gets through his transformation, how much weirder he gets and how spastic he gets and how emphatic he is with this insistence on getting someone else to go through the pod to be like him so that he doesn't feel like he's the only one. So he feels like he has someone who's on the superior level that he thinks he's on is amazing.
01:11:30
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um And the tragedy of all of it towards the end and the pain and then, and Gina Davis in her, her fear in her nightmare of what could potentially come about with this pregnancy is, is, it's is, it's fantastical. And even that part where.
01:11:49
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she goes to see him when he's like mostly transformed, wants to tell him about the pregnancy, but just can't do it. She tries and she's chokes up and just ends up leaving when she's outside talking to status and set over here's from the rooftop. She is so insistent. It's so deep rooted in her fear that I have to get this out of my body. I have to get I have to get rid of this. I can't have this. it It's got to get rid of it. It's so, so emotional and.
01:12:25
Speaker
It's very impactful. I was at a four and I had to go for five. Oh, yeah, I had to go for five. I mean, and I will say also, as far as lead roles go. Year before this movie came out in 85,
01:12:42
Speaker
Transylvania 65,000. Jeff Goldblum, Gina Davis. also with Ed Begley Jr. So they were kind of like the three of them were kind of the three main, but Jeff Goldblum was kind of like the main lead role in that movie the year prior to this film. okay And it's awesome that him and Gina Davis worked together on that film the year before and then come together in this film is awesome. Even though the other movie translates to heavy comedy, really goofy, cheesy, campy stuff. If you watch that movie from 85 and then go to seeing this for 86,
01:13:14
Speaker
Comedy spook to scientific horror and the transition between it and those performances and how they differ. It's so drastically different. So if you take that into comparison and watching this, if you see that before, man, it's it's heavy. That range. So yeah exactly a lot of range, man. And you got to appreciate the hell out of it. I got a little trivia for you all since you brought up their them being in. I i forgot about that.
01:13:43
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But at the time, at this time during the they probably met on that movie and then during this filming of The Fly, Goldblum and Davis were actually an item. They were they were together. You want to flip the script? Stannis Baratheons was over there like Macken on Gina Davis, which who wouldn't? um But not really. It was just part of the script.
01:14:08
Speaker
But the whole time, Jeff glo Goldblum was the jealous, nervous wreck behind the scenes. He was like, no, no, I don't i don't want that scene in there because she's talking about, there was there's one of the alternate ending, there's a few alternate ending deleted scenes. I won't spoil them all here for the folks who want to go find them. But one of them was that it turns out that the baby was actually for Stathis. Jeff Goldblum was like, hell no, it ain't. And that ain't gonna happen.
01:14:37
Speaker
Cronenberg didn't like it either anyway, really. So he he he made the final choice. And the movie is what it is. But Goldblum was insistent. and there There was a lot of parts on set where Goldblum was like throwing a hit, a hissy fit about certain things that he didn't like involving them two together. um So no well, yeah, you know, weiner. It happens, man. You know, it just sucks, but it happens. One other fun note, though, as far as acting goes,
01:15:06
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David Cronenberg, the director, he played the role of the gynecologist doctor that they tried to go to for the abortion near the end of the film. What? Yeah. Cronenberg was the doctor. He was the gynecologist. The guy that was like in the middle of the night? Yeah, that was the director. yeah so i I know what he looks like in that. I did not even recognize him. I guess I didn't know what he looked like in 86. Right. Yeah.
01:15:33
Speaker
Damn, dope. But yeah, per the credits, that was him. Yeah. OK. So speaking of the director, we've talked about him in just about every category. This is a Cronenberg film, and I've seen many, not enough Cronenberg films. Oh, geez, Rick. But hands down, this is my favorite Cronenberg film. So.
01:16:00
Speaker
So far, I still have more to see. Still have more to see of his. I've seen every movie that came before this one, Scanners, The Brood. um You can you can skip Crimes of the Future. You can skip it. That's what I've heard. It was a very disappointing return to horror. If you want to be bored, yeah the you know what? Watch it and decide for yourself like anything. But if you want to be, in my opinion, if you want to be bored for almost two hours, have at it.
01:16:30
Speaker
now My brother saw it and said just about the same thing. But this film, even the way it's directed, so we've talked about great special effects, great music, great acting, great script. All of those things are put together by the director. And this, there's one scene that the way he handled it, I just thought was beautiful.
01:17:00
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for kind of combining all of that, but when she comes in and sees him on the ceiling, and he's crawling across the ceiling and down the wall, and just the way he framed that scene, cutting to her, cutting to him, and it gives you the impression that he's crawling on the ceiling, and at times, you feel like they're in the same room, even though there's clearly no way that was filmed that way.
01:17:28
Speaker
But the way he constructed that scene is nearly seamless and fantastic use of the budget, the effects, the acting, all of that. Cronenberg is great at what he does. i This is my favorite film of his from the ones that I've seen. So for me, I thought this was a masterful direction for a film like this, the pacing, the way he handled the pace. You can put that in script. You can put that in story. The way he like the first 30 minutes, she was annoyed. I was annoyed because there's no flies. I was like, where are the. He looked at the timer. She was like, it took 32 minutes. Was it 32 minutes for the first fly to show up? So she she was like, what the heck? Which is that's a full third of the 90 minute runtime.
01:18:25
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but that's that's the beauty of it. It's like a scientific thriller in that first third, then we kind of go on this transformation journey to the pure horror at the end. It was a five for me on the direction. Again, I loved the way this movie is put together, the lighting.
01:18:46
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Yeah, there's just the, even the shot at the very end after she kills the fly,
01:18:56
Speaker
And it just lingers on her with the flashing lights in the background and the silhouette in that light and in that darkness. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. I love the way it was. It's almost a play because we've mentioned it takes place in 90% one room.
01:19:18
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It could be a stage play and have the same effect. It was an opera. It was an opera also directed by David k Cronenberg. I totally believe it. And I think he did another like a masterful job of not making you feel like it was a low budget, cheap film. Even though it takes place on 90% on one set, it still feels big. It still feels grand. It is fantastic. So it was a five for me. What did I say? I think I said five. Yeah, you actually said five. Good. I stand by that.
01:19:57
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and um And see. yeah that' right I'm going to echo Tim and Bailey and say this is a five. um k Cronenberg is a master of horror. There's no doubt about it. I hate shit talking his latest movie because I don't want to, but I had my experience with it and that that is what it is. But this is the opposite. This is a masterpiece.
01:20:22
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Uh, and we'll get to why it's a masterpiece next, but, uh, yeah, perfect perfection. He, he, he had the script, which he rewrote constantly, not on set, but he rewrote like the the whole script pretty much and made it his own from what the original was. And he was collaborative with his actors. Let them make choices.
Cronenberg's Directorial Effectiveness
01:20:45
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That's what a good director does in my opinion.
01:20:48
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because it frees them up to be themselves and to let their best performance pour out of them. He hired the best people to do the job. The cinematographer was incredible. Tim, you mentioned how the lighting was staged. The special effects were incredible. That's what won them an Oscar. The score was incredible. It's Howard fucking Shore, a collaborator at this point. But look what he went on to become afterwards.
01:21:14
Speaker
This is all croenberg making great decisions one after the other five out of five i got i got nothing to add to what you said you said it all do great fucking movie from a great fucking director.
Storytelling Details in The Fly
01:21:29
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Hot damn. OK, so i don't I don't know if I've seen many other Cronenberg films aside from this one. I've never really paid attention to directors necessarily when it comes to films. um But with this one, I like a lot of the small things that he had happening in the film, like during the beginning of when ah And Seth and Ronnie are driving to the lab when he's talking about the motion sickness, when they stop, when they get there and he gets out of the car where he has to like stand there and take a moment to collect himself to kind of recover from his motion sickness. It was a nice touch to kind of help emphasize that part of why he's doing what he's doing. um And then what was it?
Symbolism in The Fly
01:22:16
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when he's running around town and he's always pulling out these chocolate bars after the transformation is starting to slowly occur. unfortunate Always pulling out these these chocolate bars and shit, you know, small little things like that that kind of help lend to the idea of the situation and how that transformation is slowly coming across.
01:22:33
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um And then a lot of the the shots and how they go through are pretty amazing. But I feel like I'm kind of on the same page with Bailey with how long it took to see a fly. You would think that there would be more lead into that a little bit because when you get to the lab in certain places, you see how junky part of the place is, how unkempt it is. So you would think that you would get the impression of there be already some flies kind of floating flying around.
01:22:58
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You know, it's kind of a precursor to let you know what's going to kind of lead into, but you don't.
Stunt Work in The Fly
01:23:03
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I'm going to snap both of us next right now. Are y'all really going to hate this movie because a fucking fly don't show up? I'm not hating it. I'm not hating it. I'm not hating it. It's just what from what you see from the beginning until it happens, the fly, not a bunch of flies.
01:23:18
Speaker
A swarm of flies. I got like a bug flying around over here. They're coming to get you now because you're talking shit. You and Bailey, Bailey, the fly is coming for you tonight. You're going to be trying to sleep and it's going to nuzzle on your nose and you're going to be like, oh.
01:23:34
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OK, the dogs eat them when they come in the house. so Oh, and but I'm going to punch a fly in the face. I will punch a fly in the face. But overall, a lot of the angles in the direction he put with that with some of the scenes, especially like I really enjoyed the part where he goes all Brundle Gnastics and stuff and the shots and how you see him flipping around in like the full totality of that shot.
01:23:57
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And then the angles again from the other side. And when you see him kind of like kicking off the ceiling as he spins around and then the back angle again from the other angle to see him come back around again, back over and then do the flip and land, which was pretty sick. You know, it was amazing. Was that Goldblum? No, I know. There's no way Jeff. go I don't believe Jeff Goldblum could have done that. They picked a really good double. Yeah. Really factually, it's it's a stunt double. That's a different guy.
01:24:27
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Cause it looks badass. It was badass. It looks
Bonds Through Movie Discussions
01:24:30
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really good. I love like yeah ah love that you talked about him kicking off the ceiling because that is one of the little, again, nuances that I noticed watching it that I'm like, I don't know why it makes me feel good to see just something so small like that in the movie, but it's just like, that's a nice touch.
01:24:48
Speaker
She's just exactly. Yeah. There's those little tiny things like that. That's what gets me. And that's what I really like about those kind of things, you know, and. This is one of the situations where when we talk about it now, it's like it impacts me, so I have to change my score again. I was out of three, so now I'm out of four. I. That's better. I want to say, but since I started doing the nightclub,
01:25:17
Speaker
And even before that, when me and me and my buddy Cody, we grew up, and he's one of the co-hosts on the show, we grew up watching movies together. Talking about a movie after the fact always brings it up. The conversation you get, I'm getting chills saying this, the conversation you get with your friends, and it's a bonding experience to me, it's communal. This is this is why we go to the movies and all sit together, is so afterwards,
01:25:44
Speaker
People, if you if you walk away and you go to your car, that's fine, that's fine. But if you stop because you eavesdrop and you hear someone say something about the movie you just saw and you start a conversation, you're making a friend. yeah This is why we talk about movies and we reach out and find each other. This is what it's all about.
01:26:02
Speaker
This is why we're both you, us. This is why we're here. i I love sitting around. She doesn't love me sitting around talking about movies, but we do. so that's That's why I'm here and why we do this. That's part of how Tim and I got started together. Even in art school, we would get out of class late at night. We'd go with, hey, you want to go to a movie? Like, fuck, yeah, let's go to a movie. Let's go do this shit. We went and saw Deadpool together. Yeah. You know, got the specialty key chains and shit. Way back when.
01:26:31
Speaker
I think I saw a movie like five times. Well, I want to want to thank Bailey, though, even if she don't like it. Thanks for showing up and and doing the damn thing. It's cool. Oh, no, she doesn't like me talking to her. I don't like it when we have to watch something. It's like at school when they're like, OK, here, you have to read this book. Then I don't want to read it. So when he's like, we have to watch this movie tonight, I don't want to do it. It's a fight every time. That's she's you got a rebellious streak in you.
01:27:02
Speaker
It's like, don't tell me what to do because she reluctantly. The reason why she did this one is because after we watched it, she said, I have to confess. I kind of liked that movie. and I'm like, yeah, there it was good. It's good. Yeah, I do. But it's one of the you mentioned the the conversation after I've always felt like for me growing up in high school, the best example of that was.
01:27:27
Speaker
In high school, it was Family Guy. Family Guy was about the conversations and repeating the jokes with your friends later. yeah like that That was more fun than actually watching the show.
Favorite Film: Kung Pao
01:27:40
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We would do Anchorman all the time. We would just, it smells like Bigfoot's dick and it works 70% of the time, every time. It's like, yeah, you just quote these things and that is the fun of it, man.
01:27:55
Speaker
like yeah oh yeah Big time. Yeah, my friends and I in high school, we had a was a Kung Pao Enter the Fist. Yes. I've never done it. It's like that. Enter the Fist is one of the best spoofy. It's a hodgepodge of a movie because they took old footage from like the 70s Chinese, Japanese. It was two films, two films. They took it from two films. They spliced together with all of his extra Odenkirk bullshit. Yeah, if you've never seen it, watch it. Go for chokes. OK, it's messed up. It is hilarious. Oh, God, it's great. We'll have to add it to the list, Jonathan. Yes. calm Yes, Betty. Yeah. If y'all cover Kung Pao, please invite me to call. Done. Please. Done. I would love to talk about that movie. Done. Oh, my God. OK, so I got into the calendar. I was just relating to Jonathan, though, ah as far as
01:28:50
Speaker
The talking about it definitely brings it up, man. I think so. So like just yeah roll with it, brother. If it comes up, it comes up.
Endorsement of Zencastr
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01:30:37
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01:30:50
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Cultural Significance of The Fly
01:30:54
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In factor. So the cultural significance of the fly, this is one of those that I had to get a little critical of.
01:31:04
Speaker
I want to say that it's a five. It's Academy Award winning film. It's probably, I'm sure there are many of people who would say it's Cronenberg's best film. It's a tour de force, but outside of the horror community, I don't know how well known it is.
01:31:30
Speaker
I know it is a staple of the horror community. And so while I want to give it a five, I'm going to give it a four because I doubt many people who aren't horror movie fans have seen it. And this is where I might change my mind. OK, well, this is where I'm going to say like, this is the tragedy of the film.
01:31:54
Speaker
is that I think this film actually transcends the genre. I think it's a film that just about everybody should see. I think it's an important film. I think it is more, like we said, those universal classics, the classic horror stories that resonated have resonated with people for generations and decades.
01:32:20
Speaker
I think this film is up there with those stories and I think more people should see it and I think more people should talk about it because this is one, we we got quite the list for 13 Nights of Halloween from Carpenter's The Thing, Suspiria last night, and coming up in a couple nights, we've got quite the list of films. This is one that had hype going into it that I think delivers in every category And I would recommend this movie to just about anyone, but it is a movie that like, it's a tragic horror movie at its core. So there's part of me that's like, yeah, you know what? I might recommend it to my mom knowing that she's going to be very uncomfortable, but that's part of the story. The story is to make you uncomfortable. That's, that's the journey. So,
01:33:18
Speaker
It's one that outside of the horror community, I don't know how well-known it is, but it's one that I wish was more well-known. So I gave it a four on the it factor because it has the Academy Award win behind it because it's a Cronenberg film. But like Jonathan, you said you don't really pay attention to directors or didn't really. ah Same, Cronenberg doesn't mean anything to somebody who's not a horror film person.
01:33:46
Speaker
So it's a shame, but it's the truth. So that's that's where I came out of four on this one. this said i had to I had to come down just a little on it. Yeah. You're a factor. I was good i think I said three because I didn't know anything about it. I don't think I'd ever heard of it before, but I also don't pay attention to stuff like that either. So I don't know. Yeah, that's fair enough. um ah absolutely right about Cronenberg. He's not going to mean much to people outside of the horror community. If you know, if you're in the horror community, you know, Cronenberg and within the horror community, this movie is beloved. There's no doubt about it. And a lot of people do say it's his best film and it is, um, in my opinion, outside of the horror community, this movie has been referenced in multiple pop culture, uh, related gags in different television shows.
01:34:45
Speaker
ah Saturday and Saturday Night Live has spoofed it and included it in other sketches. ah There's been songs written about it. ah Most notably, Ice Nine Kills did ah did a song about it. um Didn't know that. Yeah. Ice Nine Kills is fantastic. Well, I know who they are. I just didn't know they did a song about the fly. There's people. He's still getting a title.
01:35:14
Speaker
Yeah, it is. um the the The tagline for the movie, be afraid, be very afraid. That by itself, people don't know this movie, but they know that tagline. That's true. That's true.
Emotional and Narrative Impact
01:35:30
Speaker
I'm giving this a five out of five. I think just that tagline alone, people know it. They quote it like they, they, you could ask somebody on the street, Hey, do you know this phrase? Be afraid, finish it. Be very afraid. They'll say, who said that they'll be like a president or something. They, they, they, they might not know the movie, but But it's just embedded in the cultural zeitgeist, in the psyche of the culture. um Is it a Marvel fucking property? No. But if, you know, if you're going to compare everything to something that big, it's your hard press to find anything that's a five, like really. So I'm not doing it that way. I'm saying it's been in enough stuff since it came out.
01:36:14
Speaker
And there's it's actually a film franchise. Like people don't know that either. There's more than even the sequel. There's more. There's other things out there. There's comic books. OK, I think there is. There's actually so the original had two sequels. I think the box that I have is five films. It is three. Of the original and then this one and the sequel to it. they There you go. So, like yeah, I don't know.
01:36:44
Speaker
it's it's It's out there. I mean, I'm giving it a five for that. I just don't have to be afraid, be very afraid thing alone is why I'd give it a five because people know what that is. they They might not know it's from this movie, but they know that goddamn tagline. You know how tragic this is that you mentioned that and I genuinely did not realize it was from this movie, even though it's on the poster. It's in the film. Yeah. I thought this film was using that line from something else. I didn't realize this film was the origin. It's the origin. Yeah. Now I want to change my score. I told you I'd change your mind, baby. Damn it, Travis. Yeah, dude. Are you going to change it, Tim? Are you going to change it?
01:37:31
Speaker
and the like It's never too late because I knew he afraid. He very afraid. People know it in this film. They know it, dude. I'm telling you. You got a you got a good point on that one. It's iconic, dude. It's iconic. Guess what? My score is changed. OK. It factors a five for me. Changing the score. That brings it up. I'm kind of amazed at my score. I'll tell you later. But yeah, Jonathan, if Travis was done.
01:38:02
Speaker
yeah All right, so that line, if if you lived through the 80s and early 90s, that was a very common phrase or common line, be afraid, be very afraid. You know, anyone kind of like born maybe in like mid late 90s might not get that so much. But if you live through like the 80s and early 90s, then yeah, that that was a very common phrase. I remember that line.
01:38:30
Speaker
being spoken so many times, but I never realized that it was from this film. So it does have now a far outreaching impact. um But for me overall, I mean, the the the idea of abortion was still kind of like a dark sided tone that most people didn't want to go into in those times. So there is that impact in itself, that idea of abortion and the horrors that a woman would experience with that, that has a huge impact on culture. Other than that, it was just, you know, it's a crazy sci-fi film. I didn't even really think of it. Originally, I never really thought of it as a horror film. For me, it was just a dark sci-fi film, you know? And that's OK.
01:39:20
Speaker
And then you think about where you talked earlier about the the the AIDS epidemic epidemic and how impactful that was. And when you see Jeff Goldblum, Seth, in those early beginning stages of his transformation, where he starts getting the lesions that start slowly coming out, you know, and the fear that comes with that and how your body changes,
01:39:45
Speaker
It's a scary thing. Most people, a lot of people may not think about it, but if you really get down to the meat and bones, meat, potatoes of it, like, yeah, there's a deep impact there. Cause I mean, even in the eighties, just like in any other time period, there's always a sense of vanity and wanting to be good looking and handsome and beautiful. And the fact that your body could change to who knows what kind of situation and you fall apart, that can be detrimental to a lot of people.
01:40:16
Speaker
I said once I talk to people in conversations. That's some bitch, you know. Yeah, yeah I was sitting at a three. Now I'm definitely going for a four. So so I'm going to sit in the four. And during this whole thing, I've also been thinking going back to the special effects. I still haven't had anything come up in my mind that I can really bring to the forefront that Trump's that or goes equal with. So I'll even go back if I can, and I'll change my score on the special effects from four to five. Yeah, but you got me, Travis. You got me fucked up. um and So I'm going with it so that I'm changing that. But for it factor, I'm going from three to a four. And I feel it's very appropriate in consideration of those details. And you also think about it as well. Not only that, but
01:41:16
Speaker
In the 80s, as culture changes and people develop and society changes, when you think about Stathis as that that ex-boyfriend involvement, that person who has power over Ronnie, still in some way as their editor, and how creepy he is, and kind of perverse in his way. And people were a lot like that in that time.
01:41:43
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It really gives that sense to a lot of people to watch yourself, you know, especially for women. Watch out for these shitty guys that you involve yourself with, you know, stay away from these dudes. And when you break it off, you still got these weird stalkers that are coming after you. You got to watch out for. And that's just pretty heavy in a lot of ways. The way she stands up to him is fantastic. and It's actually that women in empowerment to stand up for yourself and don't take no shit from some fucking asshole.
01:42:08
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Yep. It's pretty hard. So yeah, I feel definitely changing the score on that to a four. Very well worthwhile. Okay. So this is the score out of 10. The entertainment value. How entertained were you by this film? This is easy. This is easy. So The score is zero to 10. 10 is would I turn around and watch this movie again immediately? The answer is yes. Yes, I would. This is a 10 for me on enjoyment level. You got a full range of emotions. You got beautiful direction, beautiful story. You have tragedy, humor, all of it. I love it. This is why I watch horror movies. This is,
01:43:02
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I was surprised at my score when I look back and like this movie is up there with psycho for me as far as scores go. This is one of those movies where everything just fits together perfectly. And I can't find a complaint. I can't, I love this film. I would turn around, watch this film again immediately. So it's a 10 for me. It's a 10, easy.
01:43:33
Speaker
I think I said eight, right? Yeah. You were actually a nine. Was I? Oh, snap. What? I don't know these highest score yet. Yeah, I don't know if you could tell by her overwhelming enthusiasm. She was a nine. I think you only yelled at me about picking up my phone one time. It kept your attention. Yeah. Oh, nice. No, I just have a hard time sitting through.
01:44:01
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I have a hard time sitting in watching anything. So the fact that I wasn't bored, she was on TikTok. Yeah, I, ah yeah. Nice. yeah um I've given everything a five. It's a fucking 10. It's a 10 out of 10. It's a nightclub 10 out of 10. That's how we rate things on the nightclub. This whole fucking movie is perfect. It's perfect. Fuck it from start to finish. Hour and a half. Tight story. Amazing acting. Great direction. Special effects are crazy.
01:44:35
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Yeah, dude, it's a 10 out of 10 enjoyment factor. and And yeah, whatever that final score adds up to, I forget on the average what the the top score is, but this movie gets it.
01:44:50
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I'm not going to spoil your final score, but yeah. So I like this movie a lot. It is great film, a very entertained. it It kicks a lot of ass in so many ways.
01:45:04
Speaker
um But the way it kind of cut right at the end after blowing out Seth Brundle's flies and brains, it was just kind of a really short cut right after blowing out his brains with no other detail or wrap up of anything. um I would still recommend this film. I think it's a great one to recommend to a lot of folks. um I still feel pretty comfortable sitting at an eight with it. Yeah.
01:45:34
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All right, so final thoughts and our grand totals on the score. So.
01:45:45
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Yeah, I said this is up there with Psycho for me, which Psycho is probably my favorite film of all time. um I don't know if this is one of my favorite films of all time.
01:45:59
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but it's hard for me to find a flaw in this film. And I love this film. So it the only the only point I ended up deducting was the fact that it's a remake. And so it takes the bones from something that came before it. It turns it into something new though. So whether that's a point against it or a point for it, I put it against.
01:46:26
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It's a 49 out of 50 for me, or basically five out of five stars total. It's so good. I don't have much else to say about it that I haven't already.
01:46:41
Speaker
ah I think I show up, I want there to be that element of tragedy to my horror. There are those movies that just go for shock value.
01:46:55
Speaker
And yeah, you, I get like, I love a slasher movie. Love them. But there's often that missing element of the tragedy that's unfolding. And this, the horror is the tragedy of him becoming something horrific.
01:47:18
Speaker
losing his grip on himself, losing his grip on reality and what made him human. And that is just beautifully upsetting. And I love it. and That's what I want. I want to feel those things when I watch a horror movie. There's horror, I've said it in many of our episodes by now, there's horror for entertainment.
01:47:43
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And that's fantastic. I love that. And then there's horror that gets under your skin and is disturbing. And both of them are wonderful. And so of their purposes, this is the one that gets under your skin and is upsetting and is disturbing for all the right reasons. And that makes it that much better for me.
01:48:06
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It's a five out of five stars. It's 49 out of 50 in a grand total. But that's going to round up to five out of five stars for the people who use the five star method. and But that that's where I'm at on this.
Jeff Goldblum's Career Development
01:48:18
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This is a lawless horror film. It's great.
01:48:25
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You wanted to ask 43. OK, so four and a half stars. Sounds good. Yeah. My only final thought that I put in there was where's the baboon? But I guess we answered that. So. Beatens a death with a lead pipe. Or mokey. Amazing. But yeah. Amazing. Liked it. It's like a good time. I probably watch it again in like two years. Hell yeah. Yeah. That's that's big. She's usually a one and done for movies. That's a good rewatch factor.
01:48:58
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Um, I'm coming in with a full 50 points on the average score. This is a five out of five. ah It's yeah, it's, it's a perfect movie. I said that a minute ago. It's just watching the gold blooms go from a nerdy, but charming guy to an obsessive psychopathic insect politic politician. Um,
01:49:22
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and Gina Davis dealing with it the whole way through while trying to navigate Stannis Baratheon's conquest of the Seven Kingdoms. It's crazy. It's crazy what this movie puts us through. um The special effects really elevate it. this is i know I know people don't like this term. i I kind of do, and I don't know why, but I kind of do.
01:49:45
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This is elevated horror. Um, this is horror on the next level, the way Tim put it, you have horror for entertainment, Terrifier, right? yeah And then you have hereditary or that makes you think, makes you feel something. This movie, if you let it in, it's going to make you feel something. And I didn't, yeah we, we, we all touched on the abortion aspect of it and I didn't talk about it, but,
01:50:15
Speaker
that aspect of this movie is undersung when people talk about this movie generally. And it's very important to her character, je Jenna Davis's character in this film, the impact that that has on the audience watching it and her character, both important. And earlier tonight, Jonathan described the scene where she says, I just need it out of me. I don't want this in my body.
01:50:46
Speaker
because she's afraid for her and what the baby is going to become perchance it if it becomes something more than a human. She says it could st start out normal, but then it could change into something else. That's what this movie does. It starts out normal enough, then it creeps up and it fucking smacks you on the ass. The Fly is a five out of five.
01:51:15
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And it's a 10. A 10 in town town. Mm hmm. Yeah. all That we're going to say it, but. a Yeah, I mean, I. My original scoring started out at ah at a 37, but.
01:51:36
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Like we've already said, with that that coming together and the bonding with people when you discuss things, when you connect over something amazing like this, um I've elevated my score from a 37 to a 41. You came up quite a bit on this one. It's a big kick up for me. That's a big kick up for me. And there is a lot of great delivery in this film, great performance. And it's funny because, like I said earlier, when when In contrast to this, and then Jeff Goldblum and Gina Davis the year before in 85 being in chance to be just 65,000. After I got done watching this movie, I was very compelled to go a year back before that to 84.
01:52:22
Speaker
and watched Buckaroo Banzai in the Fifth Dimension, well which also stars Jeff Goldblum. I shouldn't say stars, Jeff Goldblum, but Jeff Goldblum is in it along with Peter Weller and John Lithgow and a whole other cast of amazing people. And for me,
01:52:41
Speaker
Seeing that contrast and development as an actor for Jeff Goldblum and like this kind of like not even be, but like a C role character in Buckaroo Banzai and taking like a co-lead role in 85 in Transylvania and that being this lead man in 86 and the fly is fantastic. It's wonderful to be able to see the scale in an actor's career as they develop their craft.
01:53:12
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And I got a lot of respect for Jeff Goldblum. He's ah is it a fantastic, he's a fantastic weirdo today. And I'm glad that he's still around and that he's had such an amazing portfolio of work. Yeah.
01:53:23
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ah god great <unk> He's got a hell of a range, man. So is it in the Capital One commercial? Yeah, he's in the capital apartments dot.com as well. This this ball was aliens and shit. He was in the fly and he was also in Tim and Eric's billion dollar movie and on their television. Like Jeff Goldblum is a 10. He's a 10. Yeah, this dude's a man. He was good in the Thor movie. What was it? The second one or Ragnarok? Yeah, he was the the the villain guy. Yeah. Yeah.
01:53:53
Speaker
Yeah. So speaking of we have Jeff Goldblum tomorrow on night five of 13 Nights of Halloween when we talk about the 1970s invasion of the body snatchers.
Final Film Rating and Sequel Recommendation
01:54:09
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He's in that one as well. So that was that 78? Yep. Yeah. Hell yeah. Another another movie that's had multiple remakes, but 78. There's that one. Yeah.
01:54:22
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yeah Donald Sutherland, baby. So, yeah, I think that's two. That's oh, the average. So the whole reason why we're here um taking in all the scores together. We actually average out to rounding up. It was forty six point seven five.
01:54:43
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So rounded that up to 47 out of 50. So that man pretty solid. You're lining up your Halloween movies for a party. This is most likely going to be a good choice. It's most likely going to resonate with quite a few people. So this is a good one. This is a good one. So feel it yeah, go ahead. Sorry, but now that i I keep seeing the film in your background and then it keeps like kicking more thoughts into my brain and just a side note, it kind of kicks back to acting and direction.
01:55:21
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But like through his transformation, like when you see him, like when when Ronnie comes to visit him after part of that initiative, when he's walking with the this the this the canes and the movements and the body action. Yeah. And how insect like that is like, man, i just man, that's damn good. Damn good. This is this is going to be the kind of movie that when you watch it the next time,
01:55:48
Speaker
You're going to like it even more and then more and more. Same to you, Bailey. Watch it in in two years. You're going to be like, I like this a little bit more. It's going to be up there with hereditary. I would also watch hereditary in a couple of years. It's been a while.
01:56:07
Speaker
I would also recommend for the sake of just kind of carrying on with it. I still recommend watching the sequel. If you like Eric Stoltz, watch the sequel. It does give you more perspective on what happened with the baby, the birth, and where things go from there. ah I think that's cool. So I still say everyone should check out the the segul fly to sequel, The sequel peaks by interest because it's directed by the guy who created the fly. Yeah.
01:56:36
Speaker
It's it's a fun movie. It's very fun. And if you if you think you want to watch it, don't think about it anymore. Watch it. You can have it. It ain't going to be this. I'll say that. But you're going to have fun. You're going to have fun. Yeah, it's a good carry on from from the first. Yeah. So I think that's all we have to say. Well, we could probably keep going, but for the sake of longevity, we're going to wrap it up for this tonight. So, Travis, thank you for joining us.
01:57:03
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It's great for having me. Thank you, as always, I love it. And we will be back in, I don't know how many nights now, but Travis will be back to join us when we dive into the original fly starring, well, he's not starring, but he's in it, another Vincent Price. We went from no Vincent Price films
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