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R.I.P.D. (2013)
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You'd think a movie that's basically "Men In Black meets Ghostbusters" and starring Jeff Bridges, Ryan Reynolds, Kevin Bacon, and Mary-Louise Parker would be a winning formula. But as returning guest Nic Baldwin and I quickly learned, you'd be wrong. Still, we have fun talking about it.
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A Humorous Confession and Introduction
00:00:14
Speaker
And you, you and Nick are bringing a lot of shit out that I've been suppressing for a very long time. One of them coyotes, he made love to my skull. You know what that practice is commonly called? I do. And I certainly hope he got both eyes, Roy.
Podcasting Dynamics and Guest Management
00:00:45
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Welcome to the Superhero Cinephiles Podcast. I'm your host, Perry Constantine. And even though you guys have been listening to episodes for a few months this year, this is actually the first recording we're doing of the new year. So happy new year, and I'm welcoming a returning guest, and that is Nick Baldwin. Nick, how you doing today?
00:01:03
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I'm doing well, Perry. I'm honored to be the first recording and still remain impressed by how far ahead you are in your schedule. We're lucky if we've like one episode ahead when we're recording ours, so I'm always very impressed.
00:01:17
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Well, I've definitely had that in my show as well. It just happened to work out where I had managed to. I posted a call on Reddit last summer for guests, and they just kept rolling in. I was doing two or three episodes a week recording, and so eventually I had this massive backlog built up of stuff.
00:01:41
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Which now we're getting, we're getting down. Like I was, I was, you know, about four or five months ahead and now I'm only like two months ahead. Well, I know that maybe I should do something like that because I know that we found each other through something, somebody reposting essentially that same thing that I'm sure you posted to Reddit. They like found Twitter. That's how I found you. You've been a guest on mine, which we enjoy and I'm about to edit that. But yeah, we're always looking for more guests. So maybe that's what I need to do is just like put out a larger call of
00:02:09
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fellow podcasters who want to come on and talk about movies in love with me and my wife. Yeah, Reddit has been really good for that to
Movies, Romance, and Podcast Synergies
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finding guests. Like I just post up a message up there and then actually, funny enough, the first time I did it for Superhero Cinephiles, I got like no responses. And then I tried doing it again. And then all of a sudden, it was like an avalanche of them. So it's just yeah, so timing has got to be right, depending on when people will see that post. But
00:02:34
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But it worked out This last time I did it So in fact, I think I'm gonna have to do that again because now I've got like we're talking before we started recording I've got a break coming up. So I'm hoping to get another batch recorded. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So anyway, why don't you remind people you mentioned your podcast already, but remind people about who you are and what you do Sure. Sure. Sure. I am you know the reason I'm talking to Perry or the reason we found each other is my wife and I have a podcast and
00:03:03
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I love movies and I like talking about movies and I think movies are indicative of sort of who we are when we find them and they can always have something interesting to be said about it. And there's always something to be found to be loved in it. And as if you listen to my previous episode with Perry, you'll find that some movies you have to dig a little deeper to find the things to love, but there's always something there. And I also think that they kind of make us who we are, which is how you can kind of learn more about a person and get more personal.
00:03:32
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So with all of that together my wife and I have a podcast that podcast is called in love with movies You can find that anywhere you get podcasts and on YouTube. That's just I am in love comma with movies
00:03:46
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And each month we discuss, usually with guests when we can get them, some aspect of romantic life talking about, you know, what it is like to live from that person's perspective. We are all just normal, you know, youngish people trying to talk about how
00:04:06
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our lives have been conducted, we're not experts or anything like that and then we also discuss a movie that is not always really that directly related to the love topic but very recently and by the time you all are hearing this it might be some months later so you can go find it on the bat catalog if you find us. Perry came on and talked about his romantic life and his experiences and then we also talked about high fidelity so if you've ever wanted to hear Perry talk about a movie that's not superhero related or if you
00:04:31
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are always curious about more details on his romantic entanglements, you know, come find us and then hopefully you'll stick around after that. Yeah, yeah, it was a fun episode. I really enjoyed talking with you again. Well, I mean, I always have a fun time talking with you. We had you on twice now, you know, once on the main show to talk about Jumper and then had you on the
00:04:53
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the Patreon show to talk about Invincible. And so those conversations are always fun and just like, you know, back and forth on Hive and Twitter and whatnot. And then so getting to get to meet Danny was a lot of fun too, and getting to chat with her as well. Really enjoyed it. I'm glad to hear that. And yeah, I always say like, I'm funny enough, but she's always head and shoulders above me. Well, she actually is a
Personal Interests and Media Discoveries
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comedian, right? I think she'd mentioned that in there. Yeah. So that make that totally tracks.
00:05:20
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literally thousands of dollars worth of training from the second city. Oh, she was second city. Oh, wow. Okay. Oh, that makes a lot. That makes a lot of sense. I had a friend who did that years back as well. And we got to see, we got to see one of his improv shows and it was a, it was a fun time. Good. Yeah. I mean, I enjoyed seeing her shows personally. Well, I should hope so.
00:05:49
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It's like, you know, when you're trying to support them, you can go to a lot more showings. Like if somebody's just a normal scripted play, it's like, yeah, okay. But the second time I see it, it's literally the exact same thing. Right. And improv, it's not ever that case. You know what I mean? Even if it's the same structure or something, it's always something a little new. So yeah.
00:06:07
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So one of the things we always talk about here before we get into the main topic is what kind of things have you been interested in? What's been grabbing your attention, especially now that we're coming off New Year's, what's kind of kept your attention over the break? Yeah. So actually very recently, my wife and I, we just discovered this past week a TV show on Netflix called Jenny and Georgia.
00:06:35
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And I'm thinking I got that correct. It might be George, Jenny, Jenny and George. I think it is.
00:06:40
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Yeah, Jenny in Georgia. And I would, the way I'm sure somebody pitched this to Netflix execs years ago was, you know, it is a modern Gilmore Girls and my wife and I had enjoyed Gilmore Girls. And so if you go watch this show, it's, you know, got more, more explicit type of sexual content to not like, you know, rated X or anything, but more so than Gilmore Girls, which aired on, I think, so you CW. So it's like that, but it's modern. So they're like, you know, more,
00:07:08
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modern ways of talking about sexual relationships and there's a more hard-nosed backstory to the what would be the older mother Laura Lai Gilmore character who in this case is named Georgia and as the episodes unfold you learn more and more about her hard-nosed backstory but um yeah it's kind of been it's one of those things we like put on is like ah we're trying to find something new to watch and don't really you know and then we've like binged almost the entire first season in the last like five days so
00:07:36
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Cool, cool. For me, you know what I discovered is over Christmas, like from right before Christmas until stretching after New Year, I just got hit with a monster of a cold. And there was a week there where I was just kind of like laid up for a few days, just like laying on the couch and I'm just flipping through stuff. And on Disney Plus they had, here it's in Disney Plus in Japan, but I think in the US it's on Hulu, but The Gifted, the X-Men spin-off TV series.
00:08:05
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And so I had watched it back when it came out three or four years ago now. But I started rewatching it again. And I kind of forgot how much I enjoyed that show. Because the premise of it didn't really interest me when I first heard about it. Because they said, oh, it's about this family. The kids are mutants. And they're on the run from the government and all that.
00:08:28
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Eh, whatever. But when I watched it, what I wasn't prepared for was the mutant underground they linked up with. And all these, because they had a very, they couldn't go with any of the mainstream X-Men characters. They couldn't go with Cyclops. They couldn't go with Wolverine or Storm or anything like that. So they had to go with the really obscure characters. So they've, the cast is like, you know, you've got Thunderbird, you've got Blink, you've got Polaris.
00:08:51
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You've got the the Stepford cuckoos and all these like, you know characters who don't always have a big showing or big presence in the comics I mean Futterbird died like in his second issue and he hadn't and only recently they finally brought him back so so that gives you a sense of
00:09:06
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how long this character, how little this character has been the focus of the comics, but he is such a focus of the TV show. And so rewatching it again, and it's so much fun. It was such a joy to rewatch it.
00:09:21
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You know, I love the whole, the mutant, the family storyline, you know, even now it's still kind of, I still kind of check out every time they come on screen, but everything involving the mutant underground, the hellfire club, it was just so much fun to, to rewatch that. And just, there is so much stuff in there too that, you know, now with
00:09:42
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the rise of fascism coming back, the rise of authority. So much of that stuff that they're talking about in that show. And now we have all this anti-trans stuff, all this anti-immigrant stuff going on in Florida and Texas. And a lot of it rings very, very true in that show now. Yeah.
Diving into the RIPD Universe
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I mean, that's something else I had recently watched was Andor. But just your comments on what fascism really looks like. I think Andor did a phenomenal job.
00:10:10
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I've been watching that as well lately. Oh, so good. I won't I won't spoil them. Yeah. Your listeners, I'm sure if they haven't by now, they sure probably even more of them will have finished it by the time they hear this. It's it. Yeah, I'll just leave it at that. And then you can come at me on Twitter and we can talk about it some more once you finished, because there will be lots to talk about. Yeah, so it's a great show and or two like I've really been enjoying watching that little by little here and there when I have time to
00:10:39
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to catch up on something. But anyway, today you came up to me and you said you wanted to talk about another kind of forgotten movie. A little kind of obscure, kind of forgotten movie. And this one you want to talk about was RIPD, Rest in Peace Department, from 2013 with Jeff Bridges and Ryan Reynolds. And based on a comic book,
00:11:06
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the same name R.A.P.D. by Peter M. Lenkov, which came out in 99 from Dark Horse, I think it was. Yeah, yep. So, sorry on Twitter you posted that you had read the comics, you have the comic, right? Yeah, actually, so the thing that made me think of suggesting it to you, because you had, I think I rediscovered it, or you said something like, anybody who wants to come back on, I just went back to your same
00:11:32
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a poll to offer. I was shopping for someone else for Christmas looking for comics and discovered this comic and was like, oh, I think maybe I would enjoy it and then I could give it to them as a gift as well. Because I had never read it. I'd seen the movie back in the day and at the time the movie was not great and also I wasn't really into comics at the time. So when I saw the comic, I was like, oh, I've always been curious.
00:11:59
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what the comic was actually like. The movie and the comic both you can tell are basically just a like, again, speaking of executive pitches, like, all right, it's it's Men in Black, but instead of aliens, it's Ghosts and Demons. Like that's basically the whole shtick. And the comic reads almost more so like that Men in Black movie. And it's funny, I was rereading it earlier today.
00:12:24
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in preparation for this, and I then was like googling some things. It came out in 99, Men in Black came out in 97. I am absolutely certain somebody decided to sit down. Linkoff probably was like, you know what? I think I have an idea here. And I will say, I think the movie is a fairly good adaptation of the book in that it is
00:12:46
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dumb, fun, not very deep plot, but kind of cool scenes and silly characters. And that's what the book is, that's what the movie is. So, you know, there's some differences between them, but the spirit is there definitely in both. So I think there's something to that because I'm just checking out Lenkov's background now. His only other comics work is called
00:13:12
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for profit of the unexplained. But most of his stuff, though, has been as like a producer and as a TV as a movie writer, like, so I think there is definitely something to it. Like he wrote and, you know, not exactly the whole stellar record, because he wrote
00:13:32
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Demolition man was stupid fun he wrote that but he also wrote son-in-law the the polly shore movie he wrote yes this is like my history when i was young okay continue he wrote not universal soldier but universal soldier two and universal three.
00:13:51
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He wrote a 1999 adaptation of Jekyll and Hyde, and he had done uncredited rewrites on Ballistic X versus Sever, which is famously one of the worst movies ever made. He was also a producer on that. He was a producer on Son-in-Law, producer on Jury Duty, another Paulie Shore movie. Oh, man. Oh, God. He was a producer of Chairman of the Board, which is a carrot top movie.
00:14:21
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Something called Pursued, and Thirteen, which is a TV movie based on a graphic novel series, and he was also a producer here on RIPD.
00:14:37
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Also a writer on The Crow. Also a writer on The Crow, Stairway to Heaven, which was a guilty pleasure of mine when that was on the air. I thought you were going to say The Crow, the original. And I was going to be like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He was a writer on the low-budget Crow syndicated TV series. Also, Hawaii Five-0, the remake of that. And the new MacGyver, he was on that. The new Magnum PI. So again, not the most stellar record.
00:15:07
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Apparently, also, he's got some issues. Apparently, he was fired from his CBS shows in July 2020 because of reports that he fostered a toxic work environment. In fact, Lucas Till, who starred in MacGyver, he said he was actually suicidal because of Lenkov's body shaming, which is totally fucked up. Yeah, yeah.
00:15:29
Speaker
Wow. So not, not the, yeah. You haven't put any money in this man's pocket. Oh no, I mean, you can't, I mean, it's stuff you don't know about and you can't do like a whole back, you can't be expected to do a whole background check on every single person who, who hasn't been involved in every single production or anything like that. But yeah, yeah.
00:15:47
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and clearly doesn't have the most original ideas. I mean, half that. No, yes, yes. Sequels or spinoffs of other garbage and this is, I mean, especially the comic. Like it is, they lean even heavier into the whole like rookie, you know, and then like the, the, the cowboy character in the comic literally rides off like on a horse out of the office.
00:16:09
Speaker
Into retirement unlike the movie where they like I think clearly thought they might get a sequel so they were like yeah Let's keep it around because you know if this whole Ryan Reynolds Jeff Bridges thing has enough chemistry We can milk this cow for a little longer No, I mean it wasn't a bad idea because I remember seeing the the trailers for this movie and
00:16:32
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on paper, this seems like a winner, right? I mean, you've got, you've got Jeff Bridges playing a cowboy. And you got, you got Ryan Reynolds, you know, basically just doing his whole Ryan Reynolds stick, especially because this was in that time, this is in that weird middle period before he really kind of broken into action movies, which kind of really kicked in with Hitman's Bodyguard and Deadpool.
00:16:55
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So you still doing this, he was going back and forth mostly doing like comedy films, romantic comedies, and then kind of occasionally doing dipping his toe in the action stuff. You know, he did Blade Trinity, he did Green Lantern, he did this.
00:17:10
Speaker
But I think it was really Hitman's Bodyguard in Deadpool, that one-two punch that really kind of, you know, got him finally kicked him into the action genre. And then you've got Kevin Bacon as the villain. And so it's just like... I had totally forgotten that. And I put it on last night and I was surprised. And then my wife sitting next to me was not watching, but like it was there. So she was like, is that Kevin Bacon? Is Kevin Bacon in this movie? And I was like, he is. He apparently is.
00:17:34
Speaker
Exactly the same reaction I had. I'm sitting down and I'm watching and I'm like, oh, Kevin Bacon. And I just like, I perked up right away as soon as he popped up on screen.
00:17:42
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And I even have a note, like he plays it very well. Like he acts, his acting and actually the acting of Jeff Bridges and others while they're playing much more bombastic characters, I think is quite good. But Kevin Bacon, I literally wrote down a note at some point that was just like, man, he plays criminal mastermind really well. Well, also Mary Louise Parker as the, as the proctor, as that was another, that was another one. I didn't realize she was in this.
00:18:08
Speaker
Yeah, a lot of great talent in this movie. And again, on paper, this seems like the kind of thing that is geared specifically towards me. It's kind of got this urban fantasy feel, which I write urban fantasy novels. I was a huge fan of Buffy and Angel back in the day. So all of this seems like it's totally in my wheelhouse. But as I'm watching it. Did you see that when it came out? No, no. It was one of those things where I had seen the trailer, and I was interested in it.
00:18:38
Speaker
But I just never got around to seeing it. I'm not sure if it ever came out to theaters here or what. But whatever the case, I just never came out and didn't even I didn't even realize it was on Netflix actually until you had mentioned it. And because.
00:18:52
Speaker
Netflix's recommendations are a pain in the ass. Like one of the things I love about Disney Plus and HBO Max is you can search, you know, it'll give you recommendations on it, but you can also search the whole catalog, just like A to Z, show me everything you have. Netflix doesn't have that. And that annoys the crap out of me. Can you even like, if you type something in specifically, or you just can't. If you type it in, if you type it in specifically, you can find it, but you have to know specifically what you're looking for. Right? So like, yeah.
00:19:22
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And, um, so when you had mentioned this to me, like, I'm like, I don't think I've ever seen that on any of the streaming services. You know, it's never popped up or anything like that. So, so I, I was looking it up at the, at the video store nearby. I'm like, okay, yeah, it's got the video store. And you said, well, it's on Netflix here. And I'm like, okay, well, let me, I don't think it is here, but let me just double. And then I typed it in. Boom. Came right up. And I'm like, how come you never showed it to me in like the years it's been on this service?
00:19:46
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It's so funny because actually the rights and everything have changed in the time because obviously we had to push this back just like once because of scheduling something like that. I think it was actually HBO Max is what it was on when I first suggested. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to go look and make sure I don't really want to pay for this movie because I don't remember being that good.
00:20:04
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And so I like looked, it was on HBO Max. I told you it was on HBO Max. When I went to go watch it yesterday, it has been taken off of HBO Max. So I ended up having to, not it's not expensive, but you know, like I bought this on Amazon so that I could actually watch it. And then I also, part of the thing that had like, I can't remember if we talked about this online, right after I suggested it, after I suggested this movie to you.
00:20:27
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like four days later, I saw an announcement of an Amazon original, RIPD2, and they had made a sequel. So I went to go watch the sequel again on Amazon being like, well, I've watched the first one on Amazon. I'm sure the sequel, the sequel is no longer on Amazon, but is instead on Netflix. And I'm just like, what the fuck, man? Like you can never find things, especially around the turn of a year. It's just like so ridiculous to
Streaming Challenges and Content Frustrations
00:20:52
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me.
00:20:52
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HBO Max is pissing me off lately. I mean, they just announced now they're raising the price and everything. I saw you. Yeah, you posted something about that because I mean, they're just cleaning house with some of their best content because apparently supposedly somehow attacks write off or what have you. Yeah. And then in the meantime, because they're needing money, they're they're upping their subscription and I'm yeah, I'm with you. I'm like, it's actually probably the one I watch. It's at least in my top three now because we sometimes talk about which ones
00:21:23
Speaker
And HBO was one that I was like, no, I have to keep it. But lately I'm like, man, you're dumping some of the content that I keep you for. I'm not social. So, yeah. Yeah, I think I'm going to just, you know, kind of focus on some of the stuff that I want to finish watching that I'm going to cut it because it's just it's getting ridiculous now. Yeah. I mean, I was right in the middle of Westworld, too. Like, I think I was right in the middle of season three and then they cut it. And I'm like, the fuckers. Yeah.
00:21:53
Speaker
Oh, and then they also cut the Justice League animated stuff, too. So Justice League, Justice League, that's gone. Aquaman, King of Atlantis, which I hadn't seen, but I was, you know, I'd seen the previews of it and stuff. I'm like, oh, I'm looking forward to showing that to my kids when they get a little bit older. And, you know, now that's gone, too. So yeah, it's just it's so irritating. And then instead, we're getting all this reality TV crap on there instead. And I'm just like, who who do you think wants to watch this stuff?
00:22:21
Speaker
There's a reason Discovery Plus isn't raking in the subscription dollars. Right? Yeah. I mean, it's like, I think they're owned now. Yeah, because that's part of the merger. They're owned by the company. Yeah, yeah. You should be able to see that this is not panning out for you. Right. But anyway, RIPD. So you had mentioned the prequel. Funny you mentioned that, because that was Jeffrey Donovan, actually, was playing the Jeff Bridges character in that. And it's kind of a funny coincidence, because I just happened to be rewatching Burn Notice here and there.
00:22:49
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I've watched, I think, all of Vernon noticed back in the day. And I've always liked that show and rooted for him to have something that kind of breaks him out further. But then I watched something like IRPD 2, and I realized why maybe he hasn't. He's a very specific type of character actor, I think. And when you're making that jump from TV to film, you don't always make the best choices starting off, it seems.
00:23:17
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Yeah, I've seen other things where he plays characters like the guy from Burn Notice, and I think he crushes them.
00:23:22
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But then in this where he's like supposed to affect like, you know, accent and everything like that. And I'm just like, oh, this doesn't doesn't work for me. But also, I mean, Jeff Bridges is a one of a kind actor like you can't ask someone else to come in and do a Jeff Bridges impersonation, especially such a specific one like the way Bridges plays because he doesn't. Bridges is I'd seen some criticism like he's playing it so over the top in this movie. And if you're not Jeff Bridges, I don't think you can pull that off.
00:23:53
Speaker
I had that thought too when I was rewatching the first R.I.P.D. for this. I was like, man, I like this is not so. And I literally thought to myself like anyone else in this role, because there are some pieces where it feels even with him.
00:24:08
Speaker
Like, just, I can't stand it. Like, it's too much of an accent. And I think that's part of why the movie maybe wasn't as successful. But agreed with you, like, trying to do that very over-the-top, hokum, you know, southern guy. It only, I think, works because it's Jeff Bridges, and Jeff Bridges has so much charm. And I would even argue that, like, he's been in other stuff
00:24:32
Speaker
since this came out that has caused me to have like more positive feelings for him and more charm and everything like that that I'm like okay well he like gets even more credit like you can see that he's making a very like intentional choice you know yeah with how he does things so yeah
00:24:48
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In fact, it was almost off-putting for me at first when he first came on screen in this, because I'm just like, oh, wow, that's an accent. That's a choice. Yeah, yeah. But it quickly won me over. Like, I was surprised how much it won me over. And when I first heard it, I'm like, oh, god, this is going to be a pain in the ass. But I was surprised how much I'm just like, OK, no, I'm rolling with it now. Yes, I had watched this movie at some point
00:25:15
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probably in 2014. I don't know. I probably like rented it on DVD because like you, I had seen the trailers and thought, oh man, that looks really good. That's right up my alley. Sounds like fun. Didn't get around to seeing in theaters because I was busy anyway. And then I remember liking it less than I did this time on this rewatch. I was like, man, this movie is not arguably like objectively good, but it's a lot better and a lot more fun than I remember it being. Yeah. So what were some of your main thoughts going through it this second time?
00:25:46
Speaker
Yeah. Um, I literally had some bridges accent, uh, ridiculous, but it totally fits the character. And having read the comic, like the comic is this over the top, like he says, Pard, like partner to everyone. And it's literally spelled P A R D. And it's like constantly on every page, this character is saying that. So I was like, okay, you know, this, this actually works out pretty good. Um, I also wrote something, uh, it,
00:26:16
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uh looked if but uh oh there's a like he says something uh about like oh the fact that they look different my bad sorry i'm trying to like intuit oh the yeah the avatars yes the avatars and i love too that that's an opportunity for james hong to like just there's some really great side scenes with james hong who uh listeners if you don't know who that is as a character actor has been a lot of stuff but also most recently probably everything everywhere all at once he plays like the grandfather
00:26:44
Speaker
Um, and, and I remember seeing him in a bunch of stuff, but he just like in a couple of scenes for this, I think is crushing it. And that's not something that's actually true in the comics and the comics. There's a scene where they track down his ex partner and the ex partner immediately recognizes him and like, you know, goes running. So I thought it was very smart, what they did to have the, that they have avatars. And then honestly, I think some of the best jokes, although some of them are dated, uh, come around that avatar, like the whole,
00:27:10
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him having a banana like it's like he doesn't actually have a gun he has a banana and like keeps wielding it like he thinks it's a gun but everyone else just sees a banana um or you know the jokes about uh the Jeff Bridges' characters like Avatar is like this really hot sexy blonde or whatever and people are constantly bothering him
00:27:30
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And there's this great scene where some like really sleazy guy comes up to him and says, you know, like, here's my card. I'm a producer or something like that. You know, give me a call sometime. I can, I can get you into modeling. And they cut back and forth, mostly having you listen to Jeff Bridges voice and something like, I am a woman and I am not a piece of meat for you to be ogled and you will respect me. And then like crinkles up the card and throws it in his face. There's like, Oh my God. Yes. Seeing the bridges do this is amazing.
00:27:59
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That was one of my favorite scenes. That was one of the standout scenes. I think
RIPD vs. Men in Black: A Comparative Analysis
00:28:05
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the big problem with this is that you've got this movie where you've got Jeff Bridges just kind of like chewing the scenery and just having a total blast. I think Jeff Bridges kind of knew going in what kind of movie this is, and I'm pretty sure he read the script and he's like, this is a piece of shit. And they're like, yeah.
00:28:25
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but you could just do whatever you want. He's like, all right. And I think you and I often get into like, you know, production stuff. He probably thought this would be, you know, like, oh, it'll be the money maker that I do on the side so that I can afford the, you know, prestige projects that I want. Anyway, sorry, I interrupted you. No, no, no. That was pretty much done. But yeah, I think that's probably exactly what he was thinking. He's like, all right, I'll make some money off it. I'll go and I'll just kind of have fun on set.
00:28:51
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I think Kevin Bacon was thinking kind of the same thing. He's just kind of like, cause he's also just like, you know, chewing all the see inside, especially when he does the heel turn as the, as the, the master villain of the movie, which, you know, one of those movies, one of those types of things where this is one of those movies where it's just, you know, compare it to men in black. This really is a, cause I was thinking men in black the entire time I'm watching this. Oh, oh, like I said, I think that
00:29:21
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intentional because the Men in Black comics was like the early 90s. And then there was the movie and it crushed. And clearly, you know, this guy who was actually a movie producer was like, Hey, I can, I can write up a script real quick. I actually, I bet if we dig some deeping or not that you and I would know this, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was something where like it was originally pitched as a movie and like it didn't quite make it. And then so he took it over, made it a comic book, said, well, I'll make some money off of this anyhow. And then, cause the movie then didn't come out until 2013. So that's like 2013 years later.
00:29:49
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Um, I bet it was like one of those things again, where they were kind of like scrambling for trying to find like, Oh, people are really loving comic book movies ever since Marvel did its thing. So let's, you know, go find any comic book property that we can. And then they find this and they're like, Oh, it's like men in black. Oh, that's absolutely, you know, Oh, and I'm sure Ryan Reynolds would like this. They thought like, Oh, when we book Ryan Reynolds, it was probably before Green Lantern had come out. I don't know that for sure. But just timelines of when these things release.
00:30:17
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And sort of thinking like, oh, Ryan Reynolds is becoming hot off of Green Lantern. And they didn't know that Green Lantern was going to be infamously one of the hottest pieces of stinking garbage that probably actually I would imagine hurt this movie because it's like, oh, it's this comic book vehicle starring Ryan Reynolds. Yeah. Yeah. People still very much because 2011 was was Green Lantern. People had the bad taste of a comic book movie with Ryan Reynolds in their mouths for a while. So, yeah.
00:30:42
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Well, and also the the other comic movie he was in before that was Blade Trinity, which also, you know, stank up. I mean, you know, to his credit, he was the best part of that movie, but still it was the rest of it was was garbage. Yeah, I'm really glad he finally found Deadpool because I feel like he is just enough of a pretty nerd that he has always wanted to be in some kind of comic book. Oh, God. Yeah. Yeah. Trying like you've got the Blade Trinity, then you've got he played Deadpool in Wolverine, which that's a whole other thing.
00:31:12
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So I'm glad he finally found it with Deadpool. Yeah. Yeah. And I think I think you're absolutely right. I think what happened was, you know, Lenkov probably wrote the pitch. This is a screenplay. He probably pitched it right after Men in Black. I can just picture him coming home from the theater and being like, OK, OK, you know, do a copy in the whole script. Then all of a sudden just like, OK, you know, find and replace aliens with, you know, dead people or something.
00:31:41
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Yeah, and it's such a bad name, too. Deddo? Like, how unoriginal. Like, come on, man.
00:31:49
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Deado. I mean, I bet it wasn't, but maybe at first he said he put in Deadhead and then a producer friend of his. And they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can't do that. You're going to piss off all the Pink Floyd or all the Grateful Dead fans. You got to change that. And he's like, OK, Deado. OK, pass the cocaine now. And then, you know, you probably pitched it around to people and they're like, yeah, what else you got? You know, tell us more about X versus Seffer.
00:32:18
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Yeah. So then he went off and made that instead. So then I think I'm pretty sure, you know, he had this script and he's like, you know what, I'm just going to give it to it. I'm going to go to Dark Horse. I'm just going to give it to an artist and have an artist draw it. You know, I'm positive this guy didn't even do like a full comic script and do like panel breakdowns. He just probably handled the screenplay to an artist or something.
00:32:41
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probably and honestly if you read the comic like i find it again it's it's fun but like it reads honestly like the outline of a story and it ended up only being a
00:32:51
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four comic like short series things to knock this thing out, you know, real quickly. But yeah, like the fact that there's just basically zero character development, they jump from one scene to the next with like no explanation of how someone got there. It's kind of hard to follow what's happening. And I'm just like, yeah, this this reads to me like the rough outline of a story that somebody wrote, and then they just didn't bother to fill in the details that you normally would.
00:33:15
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Yeah, maybe you didn't even write a screenplay. Maybe you just wrote a treatment handed off to an artist, be like, draw this. Yeah, I will say I like the art. It's kind of it's very of its time, but it's like, God, like there was this time when there were sort of characters that almost had like not huge heads like, you know, pop Funko, but like just like slightly bigger heads in the way that they were drawn in animation.
00:33:41
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Uh, and it's, it's kind of very much that, like with tiny little bodies and then like larger heads. So, um, it's, it's, it's unique, but it's, it's, it's cool. It's fun. Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking up some of the art now. It's, uh, it's a cool style. I like the art. It's, um, and I could totally see it fitting this style of comic if it was, you know, if it had a, you know, a better story to it, basically. Yes. Yeah. And look, cause it is that kind of.
00:34:06
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It's like almost silly and child-like, so it allows you to have some of that darker material while treating it. They're actually what apparently I think the sequel movie that was listeners find R.I.P. that actually is decent watch. Do not look up the sequel on Netflix. It is not worth your two hours. I wish I could have that back.
00:34:29
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Um, but apparently in 20, I was looking it up, there's like 20, somewhere around the time of the movie, they, somebody wrote a, and I don't know if it's the same guy, wrote a, a prequel book about when Roy, uh, Jeff Bridges character like joins the force of our PD. And that art is actually like kind of.
00:34:49
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more of the like traditional one I would think of as Dark Horse in terms of it being like darker, grittier, more realistic and so now I actually I've already ordered that because it's piqued my curiosity and it was relatively inexpensive when I found it online so um I'll let you know how that goes but I'm curious now about like seeing someone maybe with better with a different treatment of it and seeing how it goes but I mean this movie is like I said it's not
00:35:16
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great. I will say the CG, I had a couple of notes like the computer graphics. For a lot of like, for example, Ryan Reynolds death scene and when he's like flying everywhere, I was relatively impressed by how much it felt like that held up ish. I mean, it's not great. But like,
00:35:35
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It looked as good, if not better than, you know, the third Matrix movie that, you know, was supposed to be groundbreaking at its time. And, uh, I just, I'd like the unique decision for these deado characters. And while again, the like reasoning is flimsy at best, but like when they all turn into monsters, like I think they did a really cool job kind of adapting whoever the given actor was. And I'm assuming this is before, like it would have been mocap would have existed, but it wouldn't have been like, Oh, it would have been. Yeah.
00:36:06
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wouldn't have been proper performance capture I wouldn't think like the really detailed stuff that they have now for people's faces that you know well well I don't I take it back because I guess theoretically that's you know Gollum would have been one of the first uses of that and anyway um yeah they had they had um also um the first Hulk movie too because Ang Lee did all the motion capture in that okay okay so yeah no they would have had it then but I suppose um yeah and like just when when Kevin Bacon like you said does his villain turn in his face like
00:36:36
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cracks open and then it like it's still clearly Kevin Bacon but again a slightly larger head and then you know some like craggles and things like that I thought for things and maybe it's just more of a criticism of modern computer graphics but like I see things from 10 years ago now and I'm like oh that looks as good as something that I saw 10 months ago so you know it means it's not that bad like it must be you know they've they've done a decent enough job um but I just I think the movie knows what it's trying to be and therefore does that
00:37:06
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fairly well. Like, I mean, the scene, like, for example, there's this homage clearly to Dr. Strangelove. I assume you as a movie buff may have picked up on this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So yeah, he rides Ryan Reynolds out of like a, you know, skyscraper, but he straddles him like the cowboy does in Strangelove and pretty haws on the way down. I literally cackled at that scene. I was just like, Oh my God, this is terribly absurd and ridiculous. And I love it.
00:37:34
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Yeah. Also, you know, the the fat ghetto they play, like one of the things like the CG, that's where the CGI got really wonky for me when they're trying to because that I'm just kind of like, OK, this looks really bad. And the weird thing is they do this odd framing device where they open up on that scene.
00:37:49
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which just felt like such an odd choice. Like you're going to put your worst CGI right at the start of this movie. That's it. Again, that's a choice you're making. That's a choice that I don't know. But I don't know why it doesn't seem to make any sense. Like the framing device doesn't have any sort of purpose for the structure of the movie at all. Sure. Yeah. Like how he died and everything. They don't really get into that. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Casting Surprises and Plot Critiques
00:38:13
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But then we had the, speaking of that fat businessman, did you recognize that actor who played him? I knew he looked familiar, so I Googled. I had to look it up on IMDb. I did not know it without looking on IMDb, but please, please enlighten your listeners about what else they would know this young man from. That was Buzz, Kevin's big brother, bully big brother from the Home Alone movies.
00:38:38
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Buzz, your girlfriend, woof. Yeah, when I saw that, I was like, oh my God, yes. And then the poor guy like only gets like.
00:38:50
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30 seconds basically on screen before he becomes a Ditto. I actually thought, I wish they'd have spent more time with the character that they created for him like this like sort of 1970s businessman who was like you know tapping his foot and bobbing his head like the whole time as if he's listening to music that isn't there. I thought that was kind of a cool shtick and then like very quickly they turn him back into a Ditto and he's now just this
00:39:16
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CG blob who's winding up the side for buildings and yeah, I was like, yeah, this is less interesting Okay, we had to jump out for a second but we're back in So you were just saying right before I hit record again. You just had in your notes. Yep. I had in my notes Oh my god, Pulaski is buzz from home alone. I was just like I couldn't believe it. I was floored and I loved it We haven't talked
00:39:43
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Sorry, go ahead. Go ahead. I was just going to say, I was going to change notes a little bit. And the thing that really was making me wonder, because I was watching this and I knew that it was based on the comic book. And by the time I got to the end of it, I was thinking, you know, I wonder how this compares to the comic book, because it's because, you know, thinking about Men in Black, I'm not sure if you ever read or if you're familiar at all with the original Men in Black comics, but they're very different from the movie. It's like much darker. It's like very much in that, like,
00:40:14
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you know, early 90s conspiracy theory vein, it's like, and they don't just go after aliens, right? The movie really kind of like, you know, sanded down the edges. Yeah, yeah. And also it sanded down the hard edges of that comic book and made it, you know, much more, I think a big part of it was also the casting of Will Smith. It made it much more kind of like, you know, family friendly, much more, you know, got a fun tone.
00:40:39
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And so I was wondering, you know, I wonder how the because this felt like it was one of those cases where you had this comic book, and then they just kind of slapped this very kind of generic movie formula onto it. But and so made me curious, like, I wonder what the comic books like, I bet it's better than this. And then based on what you were saying, it doesn't seem like it was.
00:40:59
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Yeah, it's not. In short, it's not. They're not entirely the same, but the basic, broad strokes of this four-issue thing is essentially the same. His partner betrays him. You don't know that until a little bit later on. The thing that's major difference is
00:41:20
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in the movie and this is actually I think a good choice and which goes to me saying it's a good adaptation because a good adaptation like Senate kind of finds the things that don't fit as well for the new medium and improve upon it.
00:41:31
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in the comics it's all actual demons and like they go and they they for example they go to the like location where uh you know nick's character or or nick is the character sorry ryan reynold's character in the comic uh is killed they like knock on the door and inexplicably they like had been there for a drug bust when he died but now they're there and there's this woman who answers but then the woman is like
00:41:56
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there with a child who is a demon baby and then the demon dad shows up and like beats the heck out of the guys until they they kill everyone in the room and so there's this like weird thing of it's actual demons not like dead people whose souls stayed on earth but instead actual demons escaped from hell um and
00:42:17
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Then there is so like that and then there's like this weird thing where people actually some people know about the demons but then, like, just keep it going so like his partner isn't dead himself but his partner they like label them undead wannabe or something like that or underworld wannabe like there's
00:42:36
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an abbreviation that the cowboy character throws out and it turns out his partner is completely alive but has made a pact with the devil to help him bring souls and there's this throwaway thing about the drug that they were first tracking but that drug is in fact
00:42:55
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partial demons ground up or something which is why when people take it they actually behave more evilly but they don't go into that so there's a lot of these like details that are in my opinion worse whereas in the the movie they have adapted and been like okay this whole confusing thing about there being this sub stuff done we're not going to do this
00:43:17
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And there's then also this side story that by the end interacts with there's some demon who has escaped from hell to be able to find Michael's sword and then is going to use Michael's sword to kill the devil so that he can then rule in hell.
00:43:34
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and they end up defeating this they like find this guy and you know track him down this demon and Stop him from killing the devil because God wants the the Cold War that's been going on and you know would prefer to stay with the status quo as opposed to letting new leadership happen and who knows what happens there, so it's almost got that like Constantine movie vibes of there's this mystical
00:43:56
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thing that they have to go find but it's in that way it's the same like partner sorry uh partner betrays partner kills partners working with the the bad guys uh the difference being like oh his partner ends up being like the mastermind instead of a sniveling idiot uh but there's also then this side thing of like some mystical artifact that they are trying to prevent its use because its use might bring about you know the end of the world as we know it
00:44:23
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And they just smartly, you know, brought those two characters together and made the person who's trying to complete the artifact be his partner. And, you know, instead of being some demon. So I think it's it's it's a better execution, but then you also don't have some of the cool, weird demons. So it's like it's a give and a take, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, a lot of that's when you said when you said partner, were you talking about the Jeff Bridges character or the Kevin Bacon character?
00:44:52
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Oh, I'm sorry, Kevin Bacon. Yeah. OK, OK. This character is called Nettles or Hayes. So like in that portion there, I was just talking about the bad partner, the bad guy. OK, OK, OK. Because yeah, when you said that is like one to one, the exact same from the book.
00:45:08
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clearly they built it around that anyway so when he said when he said the devil he had made this deal with the devil to like kind of like hunt stuff down i was thinking i'm like wait so in the comic book it was jeff bridges and that that sounded like a complete rip off of the tv show um uh brimstone if you ever remember that i vaguely remember that and it's funny because like
00:45:28
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It's this weird thing. They almost make it seem in the first issue, like it was a deal with the devil because there's the lawyer who shows up instead of the proctor. And this is the other thing is like, they just, there's all these random characters that are only there for like a page that serve no real purpose. That's why they, you know, amalgamated them.
00:45:46
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Um, yeah, but so like there's this lawyer and he says something like, oh, you know, this contract and the contract looks like it's got flames on it. And then in the next panel, it says like, it's this flaming city and says something, something, you know, like the capital city of hell or something like that. And so it's like, almost feels like you're saying like this contract is tied to the capital city of hell, but then later in the comic, um,
00:46:11
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there's a line there's some lines from Jeff Bridges character the cowboy about like oh the big man upstairs or you know if you don't finish your contract you don't get to go up and it's like all of this you know the the the main character Nick uh you know he says something like oh hell and the cowboy character says not we don't say that here and then later on he says you know like oh my god and he goes now you're getting it
00:46:40
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There's this implicate. There's definitely not like the movie very much more heavily leans into like, it is definitely heaven. That is who is employing you. That's what's going on. So no, not quite spawn or brimstone, but okay. Yeah, that whole structure of like, you know, there are way too many coincidences in this movie for my taste, like that whole idea of, you know,
00:47:07
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Nick gets betrayed by his partner, his partner kills him, and then Nick gets resurrected in the R.I.P.D., and then he goes after, and the thing they're hunting down is his old partner, and I'm just like, come on, that's a little bit of pushing. I mean, I understand it's Kevin Bacon, you got Kevin Bacon playing the villain, you want him to, but, you know, you're pushing the strain of credulity here a bit.
00:47:36
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Yeah, yeah, and it's very similarly the case is kind of occurring with this here. In fact, the one thing that's different or that makes more sense is in the comic, part of your contract and the reason that the guy signs up for it, it's not so much that he wants to go back to his wife, although they have that scene too.
00:47:55
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it is that he wants to find his killer. Like it literally says like, Oh, your contract, your first case will be that you get to solve your own murder. And so he's like, Oh, I'm going to go do this. And so it makes sense that like,
00:48:08
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you end up finding that his partner is the one who killed him, what does seem overly coincidental is that his partner is also someone who's working for hell. Like, but it's kind of a different avenue into the same thing of just like, oh, of course all these characters interact because why wouldn't they? That would, but yeah, it also feels weird. I mean, cause you, you imagine that Kevin Baker's character, if he knows about all this stuff about the RIPD and all that,
00:48:36
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wouldn't you know there's the possibility that the guy you're about to shoot in the face can be resurrected to come back and get you? I mean like that's, it feels like a weird thing. Kevin Bacon would have been much better served if he just let Ryan Reynolds back out of this gold thing and go off at his own because then he wouldn't know any of it.
00:48:57
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Yeah, he'd be like, okay, you just get me the gold back. If you don't want to be in this, I'll fence it for you. You know what I mean? You give me the gold because that's all he really cares about and you'll remain ignorant in the dark. That was one thing I also put is like, once he makes that turn,
00:49:13
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you realize that like he must have been living an entire double life because he's been planning this, you know, situation to raid the RIPD from, you know, had to have been weeks, I presume. He's been tracking down the portions of this thing. And there's like this throwaway line for when Kevin Bacon has died. He's like, you remember that one time? Yeah, I took a bullet and you were sure I wouldn't pull through. Oh, you didn't pull through. And that's like the only explanation you get.
00:49:39
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Yeah. But supposedly from that moment on, he like not only decided I want to stay on Earth, but I'm going to also become the guy who brings hell to Earth. Like I literally wrote a note of like, what is his motivation? I don't understand. Yeah. Motivation is why the character would suddenly become, you know, the ringleader and why he would be spending so much time focusing on this thing. Or as you pointed out, why he would need to kill his partner to meet his ultimate goals.
00:50:08
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I mean, yeah, because it makes so much more sense if he was just a human guy who was afraid of being caught by internal affairs. That would have made so much more sense, and I can understand why he'd want to kill Nick that way. But the way they do this here, and they have that whole turn of him, I'm just like, wait a minute, that actually makes it completely nonsensical that he'd want to kill his partner.
00:50:27
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I mean like the IPD knows that you're after this thing and you're gonna kill a guy and put them right into their hands who knows about what you're doing. Yes.
00:50:44
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It's like the first half of the movie, if you don't look at it too closely, like you're like, oh, it makes sense because it's the other motivation. But like you're saying after the shift, then you're like, well, hold up a second. You know, and again, I think you're just not supposed to look at it that close. You're supposed to be like, oh, he's he's bad. Like and therefore the bad guy is always, you know, knows everything. I feel like they got to the point in either the original treat, the original script or or the movie script when they're they're writing it and they're just get to that point and they're like,
00:51:14
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We need a twist here. We need a midpoint twist. Let's make the partner the big bad of the movie. That's going to be our big twist. I'm just like, fuck you. And then they're all, oh, we should make sure we get a really good actor who can who can play that really well. And arguably, they did that part. They did. I mean, and you know, that's the coin or whatever. There's also this like,
00:51:40
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just so much, like you said, convenient things. What was it? There was some kind of like gem or like saints, something like his mother's Saint Christopher. Right, Saint Christopher, yeah, yeah. And it's just like, we have to have some kind of an explanation for why his partner never, you know, picked up on him being a dead guy. Oh, just, you know, write in some magical, mystical thing that there's no explanation for whatsoever.
00:52:09
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I mean, this is one of those, if I was doing a screenwriting class and I was teaching this script, I would point out the fact that, you know how in screenwriting books and stuff, they tell you to have that Chekhov's gun or something? This is an example of how to do it, but to do it in a very obvious, very bad way. Because they draw so much attention to that fucking thing where Ryan Brown's like, oh, well, this vest will protect me more than you're like, come on, man. What the hell?
00:52:38
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yes yes it's ham-fisted to say the least but uh yeah and it just that that actually goes to another one of my notes just it's a plus and a minus as i wrote it because it's like the like lots of exposition and i write it as a plus because i've tired of and i was just talking about this with somebody on our patreon exclusive thing for us
00:53:00
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uh of avatar 2 and like that there's just not enough exposition sometimes of like we've got this like world-built thing and then now we're going to do put something into the world that kind of breaks the world that we've already built but we're not going to talk about it enough and explain it
00:53:17
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So there's some of that stuff here that the thing that I like is that they at least, you know, Oh, there's an explanation as to why his partner never saw him. The thing that I don't like is it's just so ham fisted. Like it's simultaneously, at least they keep making sure that they're establishing rules for this place. But it's also like, Oh, come on. Like, where did that rule come from? How'd like, and it really is just like, they clearly like they had some line earlier and I'm God, now I'm forgetting. Oh, it's the human thing.
00:53:46
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Yeah. Why does human and that's by the way, not anywhere. Because like I said, they're not actually dead people, but that's nowhere in the comics. So they just made that shit up themselves. My guess is the writers room that was workshopping this like somebody ordered Indian food and somebody else complained about the smell and then they were like, I thought that'd be funny. But so like the whole human thing is like, it's nice that it's a there's an explanation at the very least. But where the hell and they just write it off as like, oh, nobody knows part.
00:54:13
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You know, Jim Ridge's character is like, oh, we don't know why Indian food does it. It just does. And that becomes the sort of justification for everything, like the saint crest and every other random thing of like, we're not going to bother explaining this to you because we're just going to say it's magic and be done with it. Yeah.
00:54:34
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at least you've established that, but also that's really freaking lazy. I know you write magic and you know, if you just use that as your way to get out of every situation, you're not going to have anything interesting to write about in the long run.
00:54:46
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RIPD's Comedic Attempts and Execution
00:54:47
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know what I think it was? I think someone said, I think probably in their original draft of the screenplay, they had salt, because that's usually the thing. And then someone's like, wait, wait, wait, no, supernatural uses salt. We can't use salt. We need another condiment. Let's do cumin. But you know what really annoys me about talking about the writing thing, where
00:55:09
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And I'm not sure if this was actually in the script or if it was just something Jeff Bridges threw in. But when they're talking about this staff of whatever that they're going after.
00:55:23
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Roy stops everything to point out, wait a minute, wait a minute. I've been busting my ass for a century now catching all these guys. And you're telling me someone built a thing to just make my job insignificant? And I'm just like, who would do that? Why? And there's never any explanation for it. And that's why I think it was it. Because if somebody actually wrote that dialogue for Jeff Bridges, it makes me wonder.
00:55:53
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You know what, it's one thing to get meta and to poke fun at your story, but you gotta have that next step. You gotta have that next step in the joke to make sense while you're doing it. Like if you just have it, then you're just pointing out a big flaw in your script.
00:56:08
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Yes. Yeah. And you're never resolving it or anything like that. Right. I really, I hope I would love to see a script and find out if that's true because that's an excellent point. And I would hope that it is Jeff Bridges, like just him doing it and sort of like he had that moment of realization. I think that's what I think would happen. Like they get to that. He's maybe the script is being written as they're filming it or something. He'd get to that page and he's like, he's like, wait a fucking minute.
00:56:37
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And then somebody, they just happened to be filming at the time and somebody's like, you know what, that's a good, we're gonna keep that in. She's like. Yeah, it could have been some kind of blood ritual thing or there could have been some partial explanation or like even, this is a perfect example, like they could have done it just a step further, just one step further, just have like another line of dialogue. You took the time to let Jeff Bridges say this line of dialogue and add another one.
00:57:05
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The RIPD2 doesn't have like a specific, you know, thing in it, but it is like, oh, there's this one demon who's trying to open the portal to hell in the ground and allow all of the demons to, you know, come escape into our realm. But it's like a specific time, specific ritual, specific thing.
00:57:30
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And it feels like it could have been that. Like, you know, you could have said that wouldn't have taken long, literally write that in for one sentence and it doesn't seem as obvious as Jeff Bridges points out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like there's so many and it's such a weird thing. I mean, you've got all this, you've got this cast of these great, these three great charming act four when you count, when you talk in Mary Louise Parker as well. Yeah. Yeah. And she kills it. She kills it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah.
00:57:59
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You got these four actors with so much charisma on their own. You put them all in a movie, which is very tongue-in-cheek premise and all that. This is one of those things. It makes me think of...
00:58:17
Speaker
The last movie we covered on the show was X-Men The Last Stand. And it makes me think of Dark Phoenix Saga. And just like, you're like, okay, Fox, you had two movies. You have the source material. It's right there. You had the animated series that did the adaptation. It's right there. And they did it in less than 90 minutes. It's all right there. How do you fuck this up twice?
00:58:39
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And it's not just once, but twice. And then I'm watching this movie and I'm just like, you've got Jeff Bridges just having a blast and just, you know, he just clearly, he's clearly in the mood to just fuck around, right? He's obviously not taking this too seriously. You got Ryan Reynolds, who never takes himself too seriously. You've got Kevin Bacon, who loves chewing scenery. You got Mary Louise Parker, who's got the deadpanched stick down pat. I'm like,
00:59:03
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This is a recipe for success you barely even have to write a script to make this work you just put the four of those in front of a camera and let them get a premise and let them go off and that's all you really need and it's like i'm watching this movie it's like. How do you fuck this up.
00:59:19
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Yes, yes. Like I said, this is, I liked it more this second round. But even still, it's like, you know, a mediocre movie at first. And this should have been, like we said, from the very beginning, like the premise, the idea, it should have been out of a park, you and I should have been like singing the praise of this movie, it should have been another MIB for us.
00:59:38
Speaker
When you're thinking about Men in Black, because you compare this cast to the Men in Black cast, you've got Tommy Lee Jones, Jeff Bridges, Will Smith, Ryan Reynolds. I would argue that Jeff Bridges and Ryan Reynolds are a much more engaging pair to watch just on paper than Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith are. I like Will Smith, I like Tommy Lee Jones, don't get me wrong.
01:00:06
Speaker
If you're talking about Grumpy with the comedic flair, Jeff Bridges does that far better than Tommy Lee Jones. If you're talking about, you know, like, you know, exuberance and charm, I think Will Smith's antics in Men in Black, his whole kind of like, you know, pseudo-fresh Prince thing, it gets old after a while. Ryan Reynolds' stick never gets old for me. Like, I can watch that guy do it nonstop, and I never get tired of watching him. And, but it's,
01:00:33
Speaker
And yet, watching this, I find myself comparing them both unfavorably to Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith, when it should be the opposite. Right, yeah. I mean, theoretically, it should be. And it's just like, yeah, I don't even, I can't even quite put my finger on it, because actually, I wouldn't say I'm tired of Ryan Reynolds' shtick, but it felt so much more...
01:00:52
Speaker
flat to me like it did I've been a fan of Ryan Reynolds probably since Van Wilder which I mean those that movie probably is problematic but you know oh yeah yeah however at the time you know it was the sophomore humor and it's that sort of and I feel like he's kept
01:01:09
Speaker
He's updated his sort of persona since then, so he's not doing quite as, you know, he's doing jokes that are more today. But it's still the same like, ah, you know, I'm so charming that even though I'm a rapscallion, you can't hate me. And I just felt like in this movie, he didn't even manage to affect that. Like he just kind of was like, you know, he was there, he was doing Ryan Reynolds, but it was like,
01:01:32
Speaker
And maybe it was after Green Lantern, like he didn't have any more, I don't know. Maybe, I mean, because I remember when they were filming Deadpool, the director said that he did a whole lot of Green Lantern improv stuff. And like most of the lines about Green Lantern was stuff that Ryan Reynolds ad-libbed. And the director said like he had a lot of Green Lantern stuff he wanted to get out of the system.
01:02:01
Speaker
But yeah, I got that same feeling because like I've seen a ton of Ryan Reynolds movies and even when the movie is not that great, even when like, you know, Blade Trinity is a perfect example.
01:02:12
Speaker
terrible fucking movie, but Ryan Reynolds is a joy to watch in that movie. He is so much, I mean like, even Parker Posey, who's usually a joy to watch, was just grating in that movie. And yet, Ryan Reynolds is the one bright spot in that movie. He's just, every time he appears on screen, even when he's making dumb jokes, like it still lands. Van Wilder too, like I had re-watched Van Wilder
01:02:36
Speaker
not that recently, but within like the past five years or so. And yeah, the humor does not age well. It's very much that kind of like American pie, you know, late 90s, sophomore, very, very much in that vein. But Ryan Reynolds still has that charm about him. You can't help but like that guy in that movie. Same thing, you know, we watched
01:02:58
Speaker
goes at the proposal, the one he did with Sandra Bullock, and not that great a movie, you know, you know, one of those silly premise movies, but it's still like him and Sandra Bullock, you know, that's you're watching them interact with each other. And that's what's fun about it. And it's just like, you've got
01:03:14
Speaker
Ryan Reynolds, who's got this really good, and when you pair him with an older actor like this, who has that kind of like, you know, you had him in, he was in Safe House with Denzel Washington, you know, Hitman's Bodyguard with Samuel L. Jackson. He's got all these movies where he, or Deadpool 2 with, you know, Josh Brolin, right? You pair him with this older actor to play like the straight man for him. And it's usually a winning formula. It should be a winning formula with this, but it just isn't.
01:03:42
Speaker
Yeah, and you know what it might be, and I don't know if this is actually true in terms of how they would interact with each other, but maybe the character Jeff Bridges was doing wasn't enough of a straight man. I think so. Yeah, yeah. He's like a whole caricature. You know what I mean? He's not even a character. He is a caricature.
01:04:00
Speaker
from the comics he's supposed to be so I mean Jeff Bridges is doing his assignment but I wonder if like you know the because there's even less character to the character in the comics for for Ryan Reynolds character the like he's just a cop like I feel like they should have maybe not even tried to do Ryan Reynolds they should have let the younger guy in this case
01:04:22
Speaker
be the straight man, because Ryan Reynolds needs to be playing opposite a straight man. He can be the straight man. Oh, yeah. I was realizing that as I think so. As you were saying that, I realized that it did. And, you know, Jeff Bridges can play like the more straight man type, like in. He's capable, for sure. I mean, arguably an Iron Man, that's what he was to to down him, right? He's very much much more of a straight man to down. He's more, you know, eccentric, zany type of character.
01:04:51
Speaker
But yeah, I think I think I think you're right. I think that's that's a big problem is that Ryan Reynolds is they want Ryan Reynolds to do his thing. But if Ryan Reynolds gets first off, I mean, I think it's clearly the script is not doing any favors. I'm not. No, they don't really give him much room to like ad lib or anything like that, which he does very well when like that's one of the the best jokes in Deadpool were him just ad libbing.
01:05:17
Speaker
And then they've got Jeff Bridges, who feels like he was much more unrestrained. And it's like those two things. You're not matching these two actors to their strengths. Well, I mean, you are in Jeff Bridges' case, but you're not figuring out how that chemistry will work. You're right. Reynolds feels oddly restrained in this movie in a way that Bacon and Bridges do not feel. And I think, yes.
01:05:43
Speaker
I think maybe there was something to that. Like maybe the director was telling, pulled Ryan Reynolds aside. He's like, look, these other guys are chewing the scenery. So we need you to play it straight. And he's like, Ryan was like, how do I do that? I'm Ryan fucking Reynolds. Why do you have me doing this?
01:06:02
Speaker
Yeah, I mean like he actually obviously we were talking about Green Lantern and everybody knows about Ryan Reynolds and his feelings about Green Lantern. I was thinking about like the scenes from Green Lantern when he's like excited because he's figured out the CGI pursuit. You know what I mean? And he's like telling his friend, he's like, Oh my God, I glow green or like whatever. Like there's more life and excitement in that movie, which is void of life and excitement.
01:06:27
Speaker
then there is in Ryan Reynolds in this movie, which arguably he should be able to show that as well. I mean, yeah, they should have... I think, yeah, you should have had a different actor playing this part. As much as I love Ryan Reynolds, and I love the idea of him and Bridges in a movie together, I think you really should have had a different actor playing that part, because, you know, if you had like... I'm just thinking off the top of my head, like, Chris Evans, or someone like that playing that part, I think they could play it much more straight, and it would have worked a lot better.
01:06:56
Speaker
Yeah, I and in fact, even around this time, Chris Evans would have probably been a good choice. My suspicion is they wanted Ryan Reynolds for star power and they were thinking that that star power would be, you know, Green Lantern. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't think that worked out well, but.
01:07:12
Speaker
Um, yeah, it's just it's it's it's interesting It's just always funny when we talk about this stuff because like you think about like this You tweak this like one thing a little bit would have made this movie Amazing, you know, I mean we talked about jump. I don't know about amazing but But yeah, it's just like, you know, you tried to to Bite off more than you can chew and you didn't think about like off. We just know tweak this one thing It could certainly vast improvements. Um, yeah, also too. I think they
01:07:42
Speaker
Well, yeah, I think that's one of the big problems, too, is they focus way too much on this very basic premise. And that's a good writing exercise to get you started for idea. It's men in black, but with demons and ghosts instead of aliens. Okay, I can roll with that. You've got a secret organization that's going around.
01:08:09
Speaker
And there's something to that in the beginning when he says, why even have this organization in the first place? And she says, well, the system wasn't designed. And you're talking about overpopulation. OK, I can roll with that. It's a little bit like that Jeff Bridges line, where they're pointing out the flaws in the basic premise. But I can still roll with it to an extent. The avatar thing, too. It's funny, but I got to the point where I'm just like,
01:08:40
Speaker
I don't understand why it became a crutch. And I think it was just an excuse for, it also made me wonder, I'm like, well, I can understand it if like each person sees someone different. That would make sense. I would totally get that because, you know, but otherwise it made me wonder because he says inventory is what it is. I'm like, so what? Do they just take random dead people and put them in? And so what happens if Ryan Reynolds runs into James Hong's family?
01:09:10
Speaker
That's a really solid point. I hadn't even thought of that. But yeah, there's that throwaway line at the end there. And that's where I think it's one of those things that they were taking and adapting the comic that did not have that. And I think they decided, OK, the only thing that's really funny in this story is the ridiculousness of the cowboy character. So we need to, if we want it to be men in black, we need to have some other source of comedic relief.
01:09:38
Speaker
And that is where someone's like, well, what if we, you know, had everyone see them look differently and then they started vamping on it and then they're like, you know, yeah. And, you know, it'd be funny if other people saw things differently or, you know, we could have somebody do ridiculous things or all the banana gag, because again, they never actually say that your gun is going to be a banana. And then it is randomly like it's far as I know, it's only with Ryan Reynolds, like I don't think I ever remember, you know, Jeff Bridges avatar holding a banana or anything like that.
01:10:07
Speaker
Not that they show, I don't know if they ever like cut away to have a time when he's got his gun in his hand, but yeah, it's never shown. And then yeah, they just feel like I found like they think they like struck gold when they were like, oh, and we could have it be, you know, a hot woman, because then we can have Jeff Bridges having to multiple times interact with men who are ogling him as a hot woman. And that would be even hilarious. Like, I do feel like it was one of those things where they were just like, we need to write something that gives us gags. And then they were too far with it.
01:10:32
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because now we're just writing gags to write gags. And again, not caring whether it kind of breaks the rules that we're setting up for this story. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:10:44
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And yeah, I mean, that's pretty much everything I had to say about it. It's just, I was, because I remember, I think one of the reasons why I didn't seek this movie out, even though I was interested in the trailer, was because of how negative all the reviews were, because it got like, it got savage. It's got like a 5.6 on IMDB or something. Yeah, it's got like 13% on Rotten Tomatoes.
01:11:08
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I didn't realize that. All audiences pulled by cinema score gave the film an average grade of C+, for some reason, which is weird. film critic Roger Moore called it the worst comic book adaptation since Jonah Hex.
01:11:26
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Kyle Smith of the New York Post gave the film half a star out of four writing, for a movie that so strenuously rips off Ghostbusters and Men in Black, RIPD manages to come up with fresh new ways of being absolutely terrible. The plot manages to be fully predictable and freakishly bonkers at the same time, seemingly born of the same kind of brainstorming on LSD session that must have given us our the duck. That is savage and perfect.
01:11:55
Speaker
I think I've got a conspiracy theory here. I think studios sometimes churn out some of these really bad movies just so film critics can practice their most savage writing tactics. Because I remember the best thing about the Cats movie were the reviews that came out of it.
01:12:16
Speaker
Oh my god, yeah, I don't- I literally never watched the movie because I saw all the reviews and I was just like, yep, there's no way that I'm gonna be more entertained by this film than I am by reading this. No, god, those reviews were savage.
01:12:30
Speaker
And it was brilliant. There was one I saw, I got to look it up and I got to send it to you later. But there was one that was just like, it had me laughing my ass off the entire time I was reading it. And it was a long review. We're talking like, you know, 500 to 1000 words long. And it was just like from start to finish, just completely savaging the movie and unbelievably hilarious.
01:12:56
Speaker
Yeah it's like you said let them work out their uh their darker demons on the things that we know are absolute trash and then they come at us so hard at the ones that are you know not maybe our best hit but uh you know not terrible.
01:13:09
Speaker
Yeah, so maybe next time I come on, I'll be able to pick a good movie. I kinda like this though, I really do enjoy having, and this is to me what movies can be fun about. You can watch a movie that's not even that good objectively, and there's still something to love about it. I genuinely love.
01:13:31
Speaker
Kevin Bacon's performance in this movie. You know, I really enjoy some of the other stuff. And then if nothing else, yeah, cool. You get to, you know, have these conversations about how terrible a movie is. And then you get to build that bond with it's kind of like
01:13:47
Speaker
It's like hazing, you know what I mean? Your friends go through something together and then you're like, oh, we're more connected now because we went through this terrible experience. I mean, yeah, I remember a few times, you know, we've reviewed some really good movies on this show. And I remember when we talked about Adam Lance Garcia and we talked about Batman, Mask of the Phantasm.
01:14:07
Speaker
And it wasn't that long of an episode. And we get to the point where it's like, so this movie is awesome. Yeah, it really is. And it's like there's not much else to go there. We talked about Batman Beyond Return of the Joker. It was kind of the same thing. It's like, yeah, this movie is awesome. Yeah. And it's like, OK. But when, you know.
01:14:27
Speaker
when when my co-host was on one of the last movies reviewed was uh was steel and it was just like that was just you know an absolute dog shit of mood that was one of my most that was one of the episodes that was the most fun to record because it was just like we had a lot of stuff to get out of our system after watching that oh man yeah yeah for sure uh well uh let me see i don't think
01:14:55
Speaker
I have any oh I will say like I'd forgotten completely about the like total apocalypse ending like I forgot that that's how the movie oh yeah the whole the sky beam thing and all the yeah oh man I forgot there was a sky beam in this before it became a joke yeah well this was right around the time when it started to become a joke right the whole everyone's like people are gonna be talking about the 2010s and the sky beam until the end of time
01:15:21
Speaker
Yeah, it will be like every film nerd will know that time for sure. It's gonna be what it's gonna be the skybeam is going to be to the 2010s what Tarantino ripoffs were to the 90s.
01:15:36
Speaker
Yes, yes, truly. Everyone's like chasing the magic that was that first movie that made the Skybeam fun. They saw Avengers and they're like, you know what made Avengers amazing? The Skybeam, yeah. If we put a Skybeam in our movie, we're going to make a billion dollars, guys. No, you took the wrong lesson.
01:15:56
Speaker
oh man uh no the only other thing i had was like the i loved the running joke of uh like when you witness your funeral or whatever and then jeff bridge's character keeps talking about the coyotes tearing him apart and then like eventually the line was a coyote made love to my skull i was just like oh my god i love it i love the follow-up today he's like do you know what they call that
01:16:25
Speaker
Oh, man. So much so that like that was one of the things that this is another reason listeners why you should not bother with the sequel. I was like, Oh, well, you know, maybe you'll have this cool. It's the same exact character, but you never actually see it happen. Unfortunately, his partner in the second movie just tells him
01:16:41
Speaker
than coyotes took his body to a cave and tore it apart. And I'm like, no, man, that was comedic gold. Like have Jeffrey Donovan getting to react to these coyotes and then be like, aw, man, come on, I ain't doing that to, aw. It would have been so much better. And instead you only get a much better depiction of that through Jeff Bridges and his descriptions of it. That funeral scene too, when they're, when he says like, you know, this is a,
01:17:09
Speaker
This is a very private moment for you. And he just keeps on rambling the whole time. And then Reynolds is like, thanks for letting me. I mean, it feels weird. I keep forgetting Ryan Reynolds' character name in this, so I just keep calling him Ryan Reynolds. That's correct. It's forgettable. I think his name is Nick. His name is Nick, yeah, yeah. And it's like, there are a few times when you said Nick, and I'm like, oh, right, right, Ryan Reynolds' character.
01:17:36
Speaker
Because his character is completely unmemorable in this. And it's like, if it wasn't Ryan Reynolds playing him, I don't think I even remember the character's face. But yeah, that scene when he's like, yeah, and Ryan Reynolds turns to me, he's like, well, thank you for letting me absorb all that in my own town. That's the kind of stuff I wish there was more of in this movie. Yes. Yes, it was like that glimmer of who Ryan Reynolds could or should be, but they didn't give him enough of that to do. Yeah, totally agree.
01:18:04
Speaker
Also, the part where he tells him, he's like, when he's talking to, he's tearing into Roy, he's like, you know the story we're always talking about, the coyotes? The coyotes are the hero in that story. Oh my God, I forgot that line. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Very good. All right, anything else you want to say about RIPD?
01:18:26
Speaker
Nah, like I said, I literally could see where I'd rated it on IMDB and I gave it five out of 10. So that's like a 2.5 out of five, which is how I rate things now. I bumped it up when I did it on Letterboxd. I now would give it a three out of five because I enjoyed it more this time, but I can't say that it's a good film. It is shallow, dumb, fun. That's what I tell you, shallow, dumb, fun. What'd you give it? I give it a 2.5 on Letterboxd. I mean, it's...
01:18:55
Speaker
I mean, I think I fell asleep at one point during the movie, because there's some stuff I'm just like, I don't even remember if I, if I didn't feel like I missed anything. So but I think I'm pretty sure I fell asleep at one point. And I didn't even care enough to go back. So that tells you something about it. Yeah, it's just like there's, you know, it's the concept could have worked if it was if they did a little bit more with it beyond just the premise of, you know, Men in Black Meets Ghostbusters, you could do more with that if you
01:19:25
Speaker
You've got that starting point. OK. But you got to build up from there. Yes. Yeah, like you said earlier, it's like, that's the start, not the end. You know, right, right. Do you ever play these? Do you play video games at all?
01:19:39
Speaker
Yeah, you know those like building games like, you know, no man's sky or arc or whatever where or Minecraft or whatever. Yeah. Right. So, you know, you build the basic structure of the house. But if you don't put anything inside, it's just a big empty room and you're just like, OK, this is that's kind of what this movie feels like. It's got that nice outdoor thing. But you go inside like this is just completely empty in the inside. That is the perfect analogy, I would say. Yes, completely agree.
01:20:09
Speaker
Because, yeah, it's it again on paper. This should have been at least entertaining to watch. If not a good movie, it should have still been fun to watch. And it just really wasn't. It wasn't. And it wasn't like I'm not going to go so far as to say it was terrible to watch. It was like a chore. But it's just like it was really just kind of it was there. It was really just kind of boring and unremarkable.
01:20:31
Speaker
Yeah, it's like it existed. It existed, yeah. Yep, 100%. And so much so that even though with my watch history on Netflix, Netflix is still like, I don't know if we're going to recommend this to you. We're just going to kind of bury it.
01:20:48
Speaker
oh man that's so funny yeah i think actually because i went to go find the sequel it gave it like a 14 percent in terms of like how much it matches with the things that i've liked uh yeah so that was fun it does make me wonder
01:21:04
Speaker
Like with, because I don't, I don't think I read the description, but you know how on Netflix they've got sometimes the description and something like, you know, and they'll say something, they'll try to say something positive about it. I'm like, what would they say about this? Like Jeff Bridges, Ryan Reynolds, and Kevin Bacon. That's it. That's probably all they have to know. Yeah. They just list the names of the actors and there is no description. Yeah. You know what? Honestly. If we tell you more, you're not going to try it.
01:21:35
Speaker
Oh man, I always love talking movies with you. Same here. Yeah, that's a good segue to end this episode. But yeah, Nick, always fun to have you on. Got to have you come back on again. But why don't you tell people where they can find you? Yeah, sure. I would love to come back on again. Like I said, we'll find some movie that maybe like scores just a little bit better.
01:21:57
Speaker
Jumper was worse than this. This is a little bit better. You know what? You say that's what I was wondering about that because when you'd mentioned jumper earlier, I was wondering like I actually don't know which one I would say is worse because I think
01:22:14
Speaker
You know what, I think story-wise, I think structure-wise, I think Jumper is actually a better movie, but I think that the performances in this, especially Jeff Bridges and Kevin Bacon, they're more entertaining to watch than Jumper was.
01:22:28
Speaker
Jumper's story hangs together a little bit better. It's still got a lot of problems like we talked about in that episode. But I think that story does hang together a little bit better. It's a little bit more cohesive. This story is kind of all over the place. It doesn't really feel very cohesive at all. It's just very much that basic idea and then not much else. But Jeff Bridges and Kevin Bacon, Mary Louise Parker, and to a lesser degree those scenes when Ryan Reynolds actually gets to be Ryan Reynolds.
01:22:59
Speaker
The performances in R.I.P.D. are better than in Jumper. Like, even Samuel L. Jackson felt bored in that movie, so... Yes. Yes. I would say, to me, it's similar. I would give the edge to R.I.P.D. for me, but it's gonna be because I feel like Jumper is full of a lot of, like, too many things that don't make any sense. This is full of too few things. They just don't bother to...
01:23:21
Speaker
to make sense of any of it that's like very empty um yeah but sorry we see we can we keep talking about movies yeah you can find me uh at uh nick loves movies that's nic nick luv love nick loves movies you can find me on instagram twitter letterboxed
01:23:42
Speaker
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01:24:07
Speaker
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01:25:15
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01:25:35
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01:26:39
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