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Hogan.
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We’re gathered here today not just to say goodbye to a man, but to bury a myth.
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Transcript
00:00:07
Speaker
We knew they said it was my last ride, man.
Riding Reflections and Existential Thoughts
00:00:09
Speaker
Yesterday when I finished hanging and banging, when jumped on the Harley, man. As I went through the intersection, as I headed for the mountains. Some of the non-believers in the gym said, see you later, holster man.
00:00:21
Speaker
This is your last ride. Make me alive, brothers. When I felt the fury, as I ripped, as I tore the shirt, as I headed for the sunset, man, I looked down, brothers, and as the sun beamed off the golden eyes, I realized that sooner or later, you've got to and die and you've got to face the truth.
00:00:42
Speaker
I've been hanging out in the Garden of Eden with my main squeeze Eve. I dove 20,000 leagues under the sea. 40 nights and 40 days. I hung and bunged on the Titanic. This is is where the power lies.
00:00:59
Speaker
I want to live forever, brother! You know, I'm not worried spiritually about this thing. I got my travel arrangements made. I got the deal upstairs already done. But it's morally, brother.
00:01:10
Speaker
I've seen the little Hulkamaniacs. They're trained in the prayers of Vitamins. They're goingnna live forever hucommania's gonna live forever. live forever. All right, the heavyweight champion of the world with perhaps his biggest test ever.
00:01:28
Speaker
You know something, little Hulksters? All things being considered right now, Hulkamania is in pretty darn good shape, man. We proved that we were the strongest force in the universe. We proved that we weren't afraid to go to war with
Hulkamania: Strength and Apologies
00:01:40
Speaker
anybody.
00:01:40
Speaker
And we got the WWF Championship belt right around our waist again. Because you can't beat me and my little Hulkamaniacs. Whatcha gonna do when we go to war with you?
00:01:59
Speaker
raises to a point. Yeah.
00:02:09
Speaker
public special errorers are
00:02:17
Speaker
I gotta ask him to say, what do you think about Mark Henry's comment? What comment? He said that the black wrestlers aren't ready to have you back. Well, I didn't hear that, brother. I just heard him make a comment on TMZ about it. He said I should apologize.
00:02:33
Speaker
And totally agree, but not to the black wrestlers, to all the wrestlers. To all wrestlers? Yeah. I said it was way out of line. I'm forever sorry for that, but I never heard Mark Henry say that. He's my boy, man.
00:02:48
Speaker
when they took a shot at my hero.
00:02:55
Speaker
And they tried to kill the next president of the United States. Enough was enough! And I said, let Trump-a-mania run wild, brother!
00:03:10
Speaker
Living on the road, my friend, was gonna keep you free and clean. Now you wear your skin like iron, your breath's as hard as kerosene, You weren't your mama's only boy, but her favorite one, it seems.
00:03:22
Speaker
She began to cry when you said goodbye and sank into your dreams.
Hulk Hogan: Myth and Reality
00:03:26
Speaker
Poncho was a bandit, boys. His horse was fast as polished steel. Wore his gun outside his pants for all the the honest world to feel.
00:03:36
Speaker
But Poncho met his match, you know, in the deserts down in Mexico. Nobody heard his dying words. That's the way it goes. And Lefty, he can't sing the blues.
00:03:48
Speaker
All night long he used to he used to the dust that Poncho bit down south ended up in Lefty's mouth. The day they laid poor Poncho low, Lefty split for Ohio.
00:04:01
Speaker
And where he got the bread to go, ain't nobody knows.
00:04:08
Speaker
We're gathered here today not just to say goodbye to a man, but to bury a myth. Not Terry Bollea, the man who walked into courtrooms and locker rooms and scandal sheets. No, I'm talking about Hulk Hogan, the larger-than-life outlaw in yellow and red, the thunderous voice, preaching prayers and vitamins, the man who cupped his ear to the roar of the crowd like it was the voice of God himself.
00:04:34
Speaker
For a time, he was Poncho, loud, proud, beloved by the people, riding tall through the neon deserts of WrestleMania. untouched by time or taste.
00:04:47
Speaker
He slammed giants, he made grown men cry, he made you believe that good guys really could win if they just flexed hard enough. But legends don't get to grow old gracefully.
00:05:00
Speaker
Somewhere down the road, the cheers started to quiet, and maybe it wasn't one betrayal but a hundred small ones. Maybe he got sold out by the industry, by the fans, or maybe, most likely, by the man in the mirror.
00:05:14
Speaker
And so Hogan, the man, not the myth, he kept on living. Kept showing up, kept saying brother like it still meant something. But something in the air had shifted. The red and yellow started to feel faded. The mustache, the bandana, it all looked like a costume for a role the know the world no longer cast.
00:05:34
Speaker
He became lefty. Still breathing, still cashing checks, but haunted by the echo of something louder. living on in the long, slow quiet that follows a thunderstorm.
00:05:49
Speaker
Lefty survived, but Pancho? Pancho died in Mexico, or maybe in that courtroom, or on that tape, or the day the kids stopped believing.
00:05:59
Speaker
And so today we use eulogize what was. Not to bury him in shame, but to give the myth its proper ending, because all heroes fall eventually, but the good ones, the real ones, they leave echoes that last forever. So, rest easy, Hulk Hogan.
00:06:18
Speaker
Not the man. The idea of you.
00:06:23
Speaker
The cheers may have faded, but damn it, We heard them once, and that will always mean something. How we doing, Lakers? Yeah, I'm fine. How are you?
00:06:36
Speaker
yeah
00:06:39
Speaker
Yeah, I mean,
Cultural Critiques and Emotional Responses
00:06:40
Speaker
it's... It's the whole goddamn ballgame, everybody. i got the ingrown toenail, and I heard the warlord died, I thought we were getting together to watch the best of the... They got powers of pain up here, right? Yeah, they sure do.
00:06:54
Speaker
Oh, boy. ah if you missed headline. What's that? Oh, the the superintendent in Oklahoma getting caught with the porn on his computer.
00:07:06
Speaker
Yeah, that guy. What a real piece of shit that guy is. You ever see that guy's face? Oh, I'm very familiar. That's all you gotta know. I had one of my buddies, Stan, him. I believe I talked about it on a few shows back, you know.
00:07:19
Speaker
It was probably like three episodes ago, so it was like six months ago. Six months, yeah. ah But ah yeah, about how ah how great he was because, you know, fucking fuck the libs and all that kind of stuff. Sure, sure.
00:07:32
Speaker
ah Just a total jackass. These people can't last long. Much like the the subject of our discussion here today, huh? that's ah It reminds me of the the words of the modern day poet Mr. Brett Scallions, and that is that all the shimmers in this world is sure to fade, much like the golden brown skin and golden hair of one Hulkster, Hulk Hogan, Balea, because goddamn it faded. And it, ah i much like you and probably everybody else, have spent a lot of time and and thinking of this and
00:08:16
Speaker
wrestling with it pun intended yeah but as you stated and what has just really been confirmed for me is that you know hulk hogan died a long time ago um and i honestly don't feel a whole lot like i'm i really am like i'm fine like not that i shouldn't be but You know, like, I, it dawned on me, and this isn't all that long ago, you know, we're talking, when was the Vegas Starcast?
00:08:57
Speaker
You know, 2019? 18. twenty 18? Okay. nineteen So. ah who eighteen eighteen okay so no that's No, no, you're right, because it was year my dad died. Yeah,
00:09:08
Speaker
nineteen so Flair gets sick, right? Yep. Like right before it. And, um, I'll never forget it. I'm working for fucking dipshit still.
00:09:19
Speaker
And we're out in the warehouse and he comes up, Hey, did you hear Rick Flair died? And, you know, it was like, Jesus Christ, his first real scare, I think, or whatever. But, and,
00:09:34
Speaker
i it it it hit me like a goddamn like a shot, like like Sidney says. and i I was on a forklift and I drove the fuck away because I was about to break down.
00:09:46
Speaker
like yeah i was like, nah, nah, this can't. And get my fucking phone out to try to fake yeah and and and then i fit figure out, you know, it's just dumbass talking out his ass. but he was He was not in good shape, but he was sick. And and to have like Virtually, i don't want to say no feeling, but compared to that, absolutely nothing.
00:10:12
Speaker
And it's for someone that I care ah measurably more for when I was a kid than, you know, um as a kid, you're going unless you're a weird one, you're probably, you know, going to like Hogan more than you like Flair.
00:10:27
Speaker
But I, ah fucking like, if you would have told me that i would have such little, I guess, emotion about this at any point in my life up until a couple of years ago, i would probably have spent all my time freaking out and worried about what the fuck happened to me to not feel and not really thinking that it isn't me. It's, it's him.
00:10:56
Speaker
Um, like, he he gave us every reason to not really be all that sad here. he, he made it easy on us.
00:11:07
Speaker
I feel it's, that's what I'm feeling. Yeah. It's interesting that that's the direction that your, your brain goes. Cause I,
00:11:18
Speaker
I've struggled with it the last couple of days because of the, the lack of feeling that I have, right. The lack of like, got you You're right, right? He died a long time ago.
00:11:33
Speaker
But um
00:11:36
Speaker
the the sort of stagnation of my brain after it happened, it's like, well, this sucks. But, you know, I i expected, and I think to your point, even 16-year-old probably Gabe would have expected that I would cry like a baby the day Hulk Hogan died.
00:11:57
Speaker
right And it didn't happen. um It's just very... it to ah To quote Cody Rhodes on SmackDown, it's complicated. yeah you know ah he he that And that's that's sad. right like I didn't really feel any emotion until I wrote what I wrote.
00:12:18
Speaker
right um Today it hit me like a shot. I was driving home from Lansing today. We took the kid to a kids museum. I thought they made those things illegal.
00:12:31
Speaker
me and the Me and the girls, at a barving all us girls ah ah went to Lansing. and and Those accusations are unfounded there, Blake. I must step in here. I don't normally work through your vessel, but I was closer to Kansas than I was to Michigan.
00:12:50
Speaker
see here, I was just end out near Kansas because I was at bird hunting them crazy birds down in Oklahoma. So I popped in here to work for you.
00:13:00
Speaker
But as I was saying, you know I did not ever have any hand in building a museum full of children on displays. Thank you. Thank you, Mormon. Yeah, usually you come to me but like that.
00:13:12
Speaker
looks like my microphone's all fucked up, so I'm guessing that's the vessel he uses to find me. Anyway, um we're on the way back, and Poncho and Lefty comes on Sirius XM as we're driving, and and na that is that hit me. well While I was listening to it, it hit me. The similarities between
00:13:40
Speaker
Hulk Hogan as Poncho and Terry Bollea as Lefty.
00:13:46
Speaker
Well, as we know, they are two separate entities. i the the The thing, the the beautiful piece that you had there and you played for us, that was the most I felt listening to him hung and bung in there. and bung, yeah. yeah there's he He uses the you know the death of Hulkamania or the potential death of Hulkamania a lot over the years in his...
00:14:15
Speaker
promo material and i i I was seeking that stuff out i mean and some of it was just electric I left Gene in one of the clips because it's kind of he's he's kind of it's not the there you go he's wearing the Mean Gene shirt folks it's not really Hulk Hogan unless Mean Gene's with him for some reason in my heart and my brain so I wanted a little bit of that but um then we, of course, slowly transition into the lefty of it all.
00:14:49
Speaker
Oh, you know, I mean, and that's, I think, why he said it's not him unless it's with Gene, and that's why we're going to look at the pieces that that we're going to look at, because when you think about it, like, what what do you what do you, if you're going to watch something, if you're going to look at a ah body of work of the Hulksters, like, what, you know, obviously WrestleMania III is the easy...
00:15:13
Speaker
Easy answer. Thank you for that. Adam appreciates it. um Adam's been appreciating Jimmy's songs on the Patreon. I don't know if you've noticed that. he's I have. He's not a real big fan of Jimmy singing.
00:15:26
Speaker
I think he's progressively getting more and more angry at each song. I think so. looks like Another stinker from Jimmy, I believe. was Yes, that was the last one I saw today, yes.
00:15:37
Speaker
But I gotta say, I find that i find technically Jimmy's singing is getting better um each track. So let's give the devil his due. if Devil's haircut, as it were.
00:15:48
Speaker
ya like We don't have time for this bullshit.
00:15:54
Speaker
um As I was saying before. We need $10 before midnight. I'll send a longer email after this email. the I am the devil's haircut. I am Chuck Schumer.
00:16:06
Speaker
I need your money. Um, I don't even know what I was saying now. Jesus Christ. Did get off? Gene. Oh, yeah, yeah. so you know, so we're, um, looking at, at the, the first Tolkien mania, AKA the, the Hulkster Hulk Hogan. And then, um the, uh, last one, which isn't technically a Hulkamania, but it's the, uh,
00:16:35
Speaker
the real American VHS. I'm sure you've seen a million times. If you'll remember the collector series, I believe it was part of, uh, 60 minute runtime. one One of those value videos.
00:16:48
Speaker
um Thank you. Back in the day when, uh, you know, the tapes were 60 bucks and these, these value tapes were 999 and the shippers at your local, uh, video store.
00:17:01
Speaker
But, um, because, that that really bookends the Hulk Hogan, hawk kogan the ah one from pre-WrestleMania 1 to WrestleMania 8.
00:17:15
Speaker
like that's That's the guy. Everything after that is a is a less shinier version and then just some somewhat broken versions. This is it.
00:17:29
Speaker
this This is... it this is this is the a apex predator, if you will, of the and the Hulkster. and' ah It's interesting to me because i I find the sort of analysis that I've gone through in my head about what life is like and how you... And this, case you know...
00:18:01
Speaker
Sometimes I take stuff too seriously, and maybe this is one of those times. Definitely is one of those times. Absolutely is. It starts to, thank you. It starts to, he's the, he's both the angel and devil on both of my shoulders, this asshole.
00:18:15
Speaker
Some questions need time spent on them. Some questions, the answers are just already known. That's one of them. That's fair. suppose. What I know is that this has made me think a little bit more seriously about mortality, even beyond what our conversations have been lately about, you know, 20 years left and 20 years to die.
00:18:39
Speaker
This is, some this is a bit more sort of like,
00:18:48
Speaker
this is giving giving it more weight than it deserves for sure. But what are our anchors in reality? And when you lose your anchors, when you lose the things that always were,
00:19:01
Speaker
what is
00:19:05
Speaker
is is that is it it's not choosing is a not uh it's not dependent on a person or any of us living or dying just we're we're the ones on the ride just it keeps going and we're getting on and off it it's like a train you know just keep stopping at different stations and people get on, people get off and the train never stops until, you know, one day the fucking track just ends and the whole thing goes off the fucking end and everything blows up.
00:19:42
Speaker
But, you know, until that happens, yes it's certainly, you know it it matters to some people. It doesn't make shit bit of difference to others. And like I'll tell you this, and I don't even know if this is the proper avenue for it, but watching some some of this stuff it with, like... I don't know, whatever the fuck they're generating.
Generational Differences and Apathy
00:20:09
Speaker
What's this generation? Gen Z? Is that what they are? Yeah, there's it's like at this point, it's like a combination of Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Yeah, well, whatever. Like, there's this...
00:20:25
Speaker
It's this apathy mixed with ah this like sense of, i don't know if it's necessarily arrogance or or like, like they just fucking know it and that they don't care. Like they, and and it doesn't matter. It's like they cover all the fucking bases that are possible of every single ah avenue in in an effort just to not be like gotten to, I think, or to appear gotten to.
00:20:59
Speaker
And it's it's leading us down this road of like just this flat fucking affect world. and And what I'm saying is like, I i don't know if anything is really going to fucking matter, like because it's just there's They're not going to let anything matter. Well, look, you sent me that video earlier, and I think this is exactly speaking to what you're harping on here. You sent me a video of this porn star who, I shouldn't even call her a porn star. She's not porn star. That's a Gen X millennial term. She's a ah content creator, an adult content creator. Oh, the B-hole girl? Yeah.
00:21:41
Speaker
Oh, okay. Who got fucked in the ass by a hundred dudes or something like that. and enough for surgery and had to have surgery to to correct her torn sphincter right and so she's got these stitches in and as you do as you do and she's starting to deal with the after effects of this legitimate this literal reaming that she went through from a hundred different men
00:22:12
Speaker
Lots of itching, I'm Lots of itching as she continues to heal. And this is making her very sad, you understand, Blake? She's emotionally chos her optionally distraught. Why? Why is that?
00:22:24
Speaker
Because it's keeping her from going to the nursing home to create content with the old men she planned on fucking for her OnlyFans.
00:22:36
Speaker
That's right. That's where we are. And Hulk Hogan's dead.
00:22:41
Speaker
Hulk Hogan's dead. John Lennon's been shot. And that is the rest of the tale. That it is.
00:22:52
Speaker
Paul Russell says. Thank you, Paul. Oh, hey, Blake. It's Rick. I wanted to pop in here say and see how you're doing. it I've been thinking about you. I have for the last couple days.
00:23:05
Speaker
you know, with me and me and Paul and Dad, we used to watch wrestling matches, so ah no ah know he probably loomed very large in your life, that Hulkster. He died. Did you hear he died?
00:23:18
Speaker
Yeah, I heard something about that, Rick. Thank you. I should have known you would be here, seeing as how you're ah essentially called a professional wrestler in every one of our pre-shows. Somehow it makes it in there how, although they did already have a big daddy. So maybe he could have been the big daddy of America against the big daddy of England, and that could have drew and the Tokyo Dome.
00:23:41
Speaker
I don't know. I always find myself pretty cool. Maybe they call me Big Daddy Cool. Oh, shit. You got me, Rick. They did. They could do that. I mean, fuck it. It's like anything else, I guess.
00:23:53
Speaker
It is, indeed. Anyhow, ah we're going to get into this thing and kind of just wing it. We're going to start with the Hulkster Hulk Hogan. That's what you'll search.
00:24:04
Speaker
Have you seen this? i um Maybe at some point years ago, but not in the last 15 years. I rented this from the Malco Trio numerous times. It wasn't and wasn't my favorite.
00:24:20
Speaker
And two, i i always wanted always wanted something from when I started watching on, if I could get it. um had I had no desire to watch anything before the point I started watching, really.
00:24:34
Speaker
That's... basically how it's always been. And, um, so Hulkamania three, four or five, w I would always get those if they were there, but I would rent this one, you know, because I think maybe Hulkamania three was out when I started watching, but, and two is an amazing immaculate clamshell. If you'll remember, it's got like this, uh, metallic, uh,
00:25:03
Speaker
almost like the laser-like color of the logo when they do the pre-thing. But it's like <unk>s very it's beautiful and shiny in eighty s and 80s. But anyway, point being, this one was rented many times from the Malco Trio by myself in its clamshell.
00:25:22
Speaker
Loved it. We'll drop the link in the the show notes below. So jump on in there, and when you're ready to go, can just follow this countdown. I'm going count down from three.
00:25:35
Speaker
We'll go three, two, one, play. When I say play, we'll press play. you ah You all loaded up there, Blake? Dialed in, dude. Let's get this thing back on track in three, two, one, play.
00:25:53
Speaker
Here we go. Holocene video on the way. That's right.
00:26:03
Speaker
Progressing Federation official video. You got a shirt that looks a little like that. do. The WWF collector series, to your point, the value videos. Well, no, that's the Hulkamani one. i or the real American one.
00:26:18
Speaker
I think they're just now starting these.
00:26:23
Speaker
This particular cassette, says Vince.
00:26:30
Speaker
Vince is explaining the collector series. Vince in his Sunday best. Nice ribbed tuxedo shirts. Red bow tie. Look at all those TVs in the background playing Iron Sheik.
00:26:49
Speaker
Iron Sheik behind him, yep. three At least three monitors, maybe four.
00:26:57
Speaker
So the Hulkster has been the champion for over two years. Defended the title... Over 25 occasions, which seems like he's probably done it a lot more in that, right? Certainly televised, no. But yeah, I'm guessing... Definitely not televised. Yeah, he's just... Picking the 25. What do we got here?
00:27:16
Speaker
My goodness.
00:27:21
Speaker
Oh, it's Brutus. San Francisco's own. My goodness gracious.
00:27:29
Speaker
We got the champion... Against half of the tag team champions, Brutus Beefcake with his manager, Luscious Johnny Valiant. It's Ed versus Terry Hulk Boulder here.
00:27:42
Speaker
the magga The original Mega Powers explode here on the first Hulkster tape.
00:27:49
Speaker
Crowd is ah red hot. I think we got Vince and Bruno on the call. Gorilla. There's Gorilla. I thought I heard Bruno in there.
00:28:05
Speaker
I think Bruno's in there too, but Gorilla's definitely in there. Yeah, yep.
00:28:11
Speaker
Look at this. This is just... Back when it mattered, man. Look, look. Remember what I was just saying about a flat affect society? society Yeah. like Look at this. This is the exact opposite.
00:28:25
Speaker
These people need Brutus Beefcake to be murdered by the Hulkster. So... Like, Brutus... This is like... I don't remember much of this. This is well before I was watching.
00:28:41
Speaker
yeah Yeah, this is... 85. But look, like... Brutus looks absolutely phenomenal. Yeah, yeah.
00:28:52
Speaker
He's... He always looked good, 89, 90? 88, 89 Brutus... eighty nine ninety but eighty eight eighty nine brutus He had that steroid belly. Yeah, yeah. And he doesn't have that here.
00:29:05
Speaker
Like, you look he looks closer to Rick Rude than he does to what he looked like later on. He's the beefcake. Yeah. Like,
00:29:16
Speaker
he's, ah you know, he's fresh in here. he's He's, you know, he can't be a fat homosexual, man. That's a good point. Thank you. From San Francisco.
00:29:28
Speaker
Bless you, Pat Patterson. Adonis is the fat gay guy. Yeah.
00:29:35
Speaker
But, like... Yeah, I just...
00:29:41
Speaker
I long for the days of... wanting to be and needing to be in the arena to see the... you know, the champion...
00:29:53
Speaker
defend his title and vanquish the... Vinny Del Negro wants nothing to do with this there in the front row. He was very upset. Yeah, he said, fuck that shit, that you fucking asshole. Come on, you fucker.
00:30:06
Speaker
Fucking killed that 3T, Hulkster. 3Ts, indeed. you notice the ref?
00:30:17
Speaker
Is it, uh... Yeah, it's, uh... Geno's boy. Hulkster's now strutting. Crowd loves it. Yeah, look at him with ah that haircut. the He's got the collar up.
00:30:30
Speaker
Looks like he's going out to the discotheque. Shirt's a little loose. Hulk's are with those backhands. Always interesting when he threw those out.
00:30:42
Speaker
Kick to the ribs.
00:30:45
Speaker
I'm going to tell you this. I love everything about a A 1985 to 1987 Hogan house show main event.
00:31:01
Speaker
It's perfect. Elbow. My goodness. He went a boot and then an elbow. and's ah That's not the the typical... Oh, he's biting him.
00:31:13
Speaker
Biting him right the forehead. Those matches, that's where you get a good... like If you watch those and that's a good... like exercise for the Hogan Cannot Wrestle crowd, I feel.
00:31:26
Speaker
um Because the way that the matches go is just fucking masterful.
00:31:35
Speaker
Well, it's funny, right? like we we At some point, we watched Hogan and Flair match. Maybe it was just us hanging out. um I don't know what it was exactly, but don't remember.
00:31:50
Speaker
But I think it might have been at the Butt Bongo Fiesta 4. That's right. Hey, now. Hey, now. Baba Booey. ah Howard Stern's Venus.
00:32:01
Speaker
um No. ah I don't think so. There are there are no two men, I think, especially at their primes, that were more...
00:32:18
Speaker
suited for the career that they chose than hulk hogan and rick flair it's masterful when they're in the ring together it was unbelievable and maybe it was maybe it was bash at the beach maybe i was watching that 94 it wasn't recently it was at least a year ago but you watch them together and it's just like the story that they're able to tell is just it's per it's almost perfect yeah and i it's a you watch that match too. And I mean, look, I saw Hogan and flair in, in 91 and fucking Christmas time.
00:32:56
Speaker
And not that there's anything particularly like memorable about the match, but you know, I remember was good match and I was fucking insanely excited that I was going to see whole Cogan versus Ric Flair. Like i i ah I couldn't believe it was happening. And i'm I'm like asking myself because it's December, you know, and I'm old enough to know what's going on at this point. And I'm like, how the fuck is this not being saved for WrestleMania? I'm thinking to myself.
00:33:27
Speaker
And so I never bought that bullshit. You know, the Vince, you know, all we tried it, it doesn't work. and but You know, like, man, that thing would have been massive. Like if they would have, you could have, you know, did the rumble,
00:33:41
Speaker
the same fucking way and then have Hulkster like, you know, beat Flair for the title at WrestleMania. That's perfect. But, you know, they got a million fucking reasons that couldn't happen. And like, Jesus Christ, just have Hulk win the belt. And I mean, God damn, he didn't have to come back and till SummerSlam, he can lose the fucking belt there to whoever. And, you know, you maintain the integrity of the Hogan Flair fucking mania main event.
00:34:09
Speaker
And, Yeah, they they work together perfectly. you know The problem is is you can really only do it one way. It doesn't work if they rehearse like we saw in WCW.
00:34:21
Speaker
um Although, i don't know. I guess I take that back now that I think about that. there It did to a degree when you factor in the ah the Horseman NWO part.
00:34:32
Speaker
Sure. That worked. But when it was just late, like, you know, 99 baby face flare and hope like that, that sucked dick.
Personal Stories and Historical Reflections
00:34:44
Speaker
But F-U-N-B.
00:34:48
Speaker
Yeah, and indeed. Fuck you, New Balance. You know, i drove by the New Balance headquarters around Boston. Mighty impressive. Oh, yeah. Right there off the highway.
00:35:01
Speaker
Went to Fenway. I don't think we've been on the air since that happened. We have not, no. How did that go? and It's the most beautiful ballpark in America. i don't think I'll ever see a better one.
00:35:15
Speaker
it's And it didn't take me long to come to that conclusion. You've been Wrigley, yes? Yep, yep. Not close. No, i i I've not been to Fenway, but I hate Wrigley Field.
00:35:30
Speaker
I shouldn't say I hate it. it's it's It's not what it should be. Yep. they It's very clear. They made all the exact opposite decisions at Wrigley that they made at Fenway.
00:35:43
Speaker
Like, Fenway's updated and whatever, but it it it's it's perfect. It's maintained all the integrity it should. holds onto it, right. Wrigley's 50-year-old cougar with big old tits and Like a Mar-a-Lago whore, basically. Got it.
00:36:05
Speaker
By the way, Hulkster is hulked up. There's the big boot. Big boot, body slam, and here comes the leg. Boom. There it is. Oh, brother.
00:36:18
Speaker
Luscious Jimmy says, no, no, no. Hey, baby, this is Luscious Johnny. I'm Luscious Jimmy. Whatever, same difference. I'm fine. Don't worry about me, baby. I'll be okay. I've been doing a lot of drugs lately.
00:36:32
Speaker
how's your teeth How's your teeth holding up, sweet boy? I think they're going to fall out from some of the drugs, but other than that, I'll just get some fake ones, baby. They ain't going to last as long as they needed to. They used to, baby. The future ain't as long as it used to be, you know, what they say.
00:36:47
Speaker
The future ain't as long as it used to be. That's true. That's true. We got Brutus there celebrating with the title. Hey, Beefers trying to steal the belt from Terry, baby.
00:36:58
Speaker
Oh, baby. Oh, Terry hates roll-ups. It's interesting to me, the the finish to this match. ah Is that because ed and Terry are so close, you think, that Terry was like, you know what, you don't have to I don't have to pin you with the leg drop. I'll i'll just roll you up.
00:37:16
Speaker
Well, I would guess, going off the house show structure, who ah probably a rematch. Maybe, a I don't know.
00:37:29
Speaker
Could be. You have luscious Johnny V there, so maybe they need to cover for that, they feel. I don't know. Look at this. Look at this chic and backland.
00:37:43
Speaker
Oh, goodness. Oh, December 83. i was I was four months old here.
00:37:55
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
00:38:00
Speaker
wow Camel Clutch you're about to get locked on to Bob telling the sheep to take the neck.
00:38:16
Speaker
Can you imagine having to say you years through under the
00:38:26
Speaker
spent as under the however many goddamn years Bob Backlund was the champion. Wouldn't that have been awful? My God. Like, well, and see, that's sign of the times, right?
00:38:40
Speaker
Like, maybe it would have been awful, maybe not, you know? we don't We didn't have to watch, you know, seven hours of WWF, WWF television every week with Bob Backlund's boring ass as champion.
00:38:54
Speaker
Look, we had to learn about so learn about you know live shows over six years that amounts to the same amount of shows that they have in three months now.
00:39:06
Speaker
I consider myself to be a man without a time. all right ah timeless man, if you will. walk You are timeless. there's no Timeless Vernon veron B. That's right. and if i if If you could have dropped me, and and look, this isn't like a million years ago. yeah We're talking...
00:39:28
Speaker
fucking five years before I was born. All right. So sure if you could have made me born 10 years earlier and and I would be so different to where I would have loved watching Bob Backlund for five years.
00:39:39
Speaker
I am nowhere near the person I think I am. And I cannot accept that. So i will say to you, ah no, i would not have enjoyed a Bob Backlund title reign. I would have been there shitting on it.
00:39:54
Speaker
And I probably would have been very happy when the chic won the belt. I think. I don't know. Maybe not. I could have been blinded by propaganda of Jimmy Carter's and um administration, you know, according Cousin Roger.
00:40:05
Speaker
Well, I'm a big fan of peanut butter, so i love Jimmy Carter.
00:40:11
Speaker
I love Dixie Carter. had great tits. Oh, here it is, Gabe. This is it. We got Hogan backstage at MSG, the American-made t-shirt.
00:40:22
Speaker
There's a cross. Sign of the cross, slapping the shoulders. He turns the corner, the Hulkamania on the back. There's Vince Sr. Vince Sr. at the curtain. And yeah audio is edited out, of course. There is no Eye of the Tiger here.
00:40:40
Speaker
It's a goddamn travesty that they can't figure out a way to just pay the fucking fees. Come on. this the I can't imagine that Survivor is asking millions of dollars for
00:40:55
Speaker
There you go.
00:41:04
Speaker
January 23, 1984. Madison Square Garden. Fink's got big... madison we garden fin's got the the big triple microphone down to the ceiling, the triangle.
00:41:16
Speaker
The Fink is alive. Lassie's alive. Seek is alive. Hulk is alive. That fucking ref is alive. Not for long, though. Probably he's still old.
00:41:34
Speaker
Do you see that stat that they put out the other, that people put out the other day, that now the The last WrestleMania main event with
00:41:46
Speaker
both participants in the match still alive is WrestleMania 12.
00:41:52
Speaker
I've seen way more bullshit than I would have liked to the last couple days. I'll tell you. The goddamn AI stuff is... Oh, goddamn it. So many videos of... If I have to see fake Roddy Piper's face again, I'm going to kill somebody.
00:42:10
Speaker
I'm pretty shock sure I saw one that was ah like had a fake poster that said, hyah, hyah, on his shirt. you know Like a hyah, hyah.
00:42:22
Speaker
Yeah, the weird... T&H journey. you know i am
00:42:31
Speaker
This morning, we were on our way to Lansing, and and i had to so I stopped for breakfast because we didn't feed the kid before we left the house. So I'm at the McDonald's drive-thru and I got myself a steak, egg and cheese bagel.
00:42:46
Speaker
You I am that's my yeah had a couple of those in the last month or two. Yeah. that That breakfast sauce is a real delight. I got to tell you, love it. Anyway, my goodness, clothesline the chic with that robe of his.
00:43:02
Speaker
Anyway, we're line. I got the kids some pancakes and, you know, Jamie eats some hash browns or whatever. you un Sure. Sure. Uh, thank you, Gabe. I appreciate you not misnaming me. Yep.
00:43:18
Speaker
We get to, we get through the drive through line, got our food and we're, you know, parsing it out whatever, and it's time to go. So I start driving and I'm stuck behind, uh, a white Chevy Silverado with a cab with, know, a cab, cap on the, on the, uh, the bed.
00:43:39
Speaker
Okay, that's good. And then in front of him is like a Ford Explorer or something pulling a trailer. All right. At the exit, right?
00:43:51
Speaker
And the guy at the exit isn't moving, right? He's just sitting there at the exit where you got to turn left or right. All right. So I start honking. Oh, yes. Like, all right, how about you fucking move your shit?
00:44:04
Speaker
Get the fuck out of my way so I can go to the ah children's museum. Yeah, yeah. Gabe's getting the thumb out. Oh, yo, it got worse than that.
00:44:15
Speaker
God, he is... ah Just continue. I'll hold it right back. we'll We'll get there. Yeah. ah So anyway, the guy in the Explorer finally goes. The guy in the white truck doesn't fucking move.
00:44:30
Speaker
Okay.
00:44:32
Speaker
So I honk again, right? Then I hear some guy in a blue car in the drive-thru... screaming, go around him. Fucking go around him. I'm like, alright, well that's not the worst idea. Alright, so I do. I go around him.
00:44:50
Speaker
The guy rolls down his window, starts, he's wearing, i don't know what was on the hat, but yeah ca but it was camouflage. Okay, yes. Right?
00:45:00
Speaker
Yes. Starts screaming at my wife in passenger seat and starts calling us a mess heads. I don't think I look like a meth head. No, no. Meth heads are skinny.
00:45:15
Speaker
Thank you. Fuck you. Bye. Yeah. Anyway. Alcoholic. Yes, maybe. Maybe. So I don't know what snaps in me, but something does.
00:45:27
Speaker
I do. I know what it is. got my kid in the back seat. Well, yeah, I guess I do too. got my kid in the back seat. My wife's in the passenger seat. This guy is screaming out. Oh, I've usually got a woman in the seat next to him too. Uh-oh.
00:45:42
Speaker
Uh-oh, it's on now. roll down Jamie's window. Yes. And I say, more fucking word, old man, and I will end you. Yes.
00:45:55
Speaker
And he goes, go ahead, mess head. Go ahead, mess head. Keep going. And then my wife said something. I don't know what she said. And he looked right at her and said something. And I undone my belt. And I got out of the fucking car. Yes.
00:46:09
Speaker
And he drove away as soon as I stepped out of the car. Yes, because he was six foot six. And I screamed something about MAGA or something like that. Oh, for fuck's sakes.
00:46:20
Speaker
Yes. And the guy behind, the the guy in the blue car said, get back in your fucking car, in your van, your fucking van. And I turned around and i started walking toward him.
00:46:31
Speaker
And he's like, he goes, you don't want none of this. And he's kind of a big fat guy and he's in a small blue car. And I'm telling myself, he's in the McDonald's drive-thru.
00:46:42
Speaker
It's 10 o'clock or like nine o'clock in the morning. Right. Right. Like, he's got a full beard. Like, he's shouting at people that are having a conflict in the parking lot. Like, what the chances this guy's got a gun pretty high?
00:46:57
Speaker
I finally get... We're in Michigan. Fuck. Rural Michigan. So I get back in the car and I drive away.
00:47:08
Speaker
Bob's and ah curled up in a ball in a passenger seat i yeah for next in the next 25 minutes. I don't feel safe, Gabe. I'm very upset. I'm going to take a nap. It was fine 20 minutes later. It's whatever. but like ah I won't ever do it again, especially if the kid's in the car.
00:47:27
Speaker
but i Something snapped. I was going to hurt somebody. yeah I was going to pull that old man out of his truck.
00:47:37
Speaker
I've been there. I've been there. I've been where I, Hey, look, Hey, Hey buddy. I've been where he I was where you were years ago. Okay, pal. Thanks Lex. Thanks Larry.
00:47:48
Speaker
this here i Right now. I think I need, I need a little Larry. Hey, you see yeah your buddy buff got lost his leg too. Where this, this is a tribute show to buffs leg, not Hulk Hogan.
00:48:02
Speaker
There it is. Sprayberry High, four-time Rookie of the Year, Buff Bagwell. Yes, four-time Rookie of the Year, and the Hulkster is now the World Heavyweight Champion.
00:48:13
Speaker
The people. January 23, 1984. Do do you hear the people screaming? Do you hear them? They have... How badly they needed this? They have their World Champion now. 18,000 people needed this, Blake.
00:48:32
Speaker
Do you think they had any idea at this point that he would hold it for four years? I mean, I guess it probably wouldn't be a shock considering bru and Backlund. Yeah, Bruno Backlund.
00:48:45
Speaker
Actually, they'd probably be surprised if he didn't. See the Knicks on the scoreboard background? Yes. And I mean, think about, like, You look at Bruno, right?
00:48:57
Speaker
There's the shot. He's a beefy son of a bitch, but he's not Hulk Hogan, right? You look at Backlund, definitely not Hulk Hogan. You look at that guy and you you extrapolate the reality of of what is.
00:49:10
Speaker
You got to imagine that guy's going to hold that belt until the day dies. Yeah, well, it turns out that he died before Bob Backlund and not much later than Bruno.
00:49:23
Speaker
Or the Iron Sheik for that matter.
00:49:27
Speaker
Yeah, he paid a hell of a price for that body. think we got to see that. Hulk died on a Thursday.
00:49:37
Speaker
think Jenny from Forrest Gump died on a Saturday.
00:49:45
Speaker
Ozzy died on a Tuesday. Yeah, there's a song in there, I think. Ozzy died on a Tuesday. You texted me that. And I said, Hulk's going to die on a Wednesday.
00:49:59
Speaker
I was just a day off. Yeah, that's true. You've been on this one for a while.
00:50:06
Speaker
Wednesday. It turns him on, though. This is it one of my favorite promos of his all time. Because he keeps talking about being turned on. It always cracked me up because i didn't understand it as a kid.
00:50:20
Speaker
Like, what do you mean it turns you on? i don't understand what that means. Well, you know, his parents are there, so he wants to make it weird.
00:50:30
Speaker
Ah, hold on. That's nice of you, though. I can't believe they haven't come out with a three-pack figure those three in this scene yet. Oh, yeah, look at you. See, you should be in charge of pro wrestling merchandise of some kind.
00:50:45
Speaker
ah definitely should. At least one of us should. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's all you need, you know, as long as the idea gets out there in one way. Mm-hmm. There it is. There's parents. The mom is bigger than the father, okay? Yeah, she's a big woman.
00:51:01
Speaker
She's bigger than Gene, for sure. She's tall as my grandmother was. My grandmother was a real tall lady.
00:51:15
Speaker
Man, she smokes pack of data. Isn't it funny how much she sounds like Linda, too?
00:51:23
Speaker
Yeah, she does. Like the same kind of act, like though that little, that... And then he... Pete Hogan. You know know who he looks like? He looks exactly like Larry David's dad on Curb Your Enthusiasm.
00:51:35
Speaker
Fucking missing teeth, man.
00:51:42
Speaker
Oh, we're very proud of him. He's very dedicated, and now he's dead. You know. Don't take my wallet out of my front pocket. We put him at the pearly gates and I had some baklava for him that his mother baked last night.
00:51:58
Speaker
It was a real delight. He wears that cross around his neck, but he's not really, you know, he's actually, he and Anton LeVay were very close. You understand? rematch with the Sheik.
00:52:17
Speaker
The return of the spectrum here. Hulkster's in those blues, baby. It's rip. italian it's It's rip in there. Yeah, it is actually. yeah May 84.
00:52:29
Speaker
Man. Look at the people. That's said. Look at the people. that's It's... I mean, this guy in the white shirt with his tucked his white belt and his jeans in the front row, or in the second row, the man is standing up in the second row because he can't miss not a second of what's happening in there.
00:52:52
Speaker
If he sits down, he might not have the right angles. Do you understand? Those buddies of his and him came in ah and a Trans Am to the spectrum, all right? They were listening to the the newest Shout at the Devil podcast,
00:53:07
Speaker
by Motley Crue, okay? was May 84. He just got spit on by the Sheik, and I think Hulk's got color here. Yeah, he definitely does. He's a bloody mess.
00:53:18
Speaker
Bleeding like a stuck pig, as it were.
00:53:23
Speaker
we got Lord Al on the call.
00:53:29
Speaker
Lord Al being a bit of a homer. Come on, Hogan. Lord Al in the spectrum makes me happy.
00:53:40
Speaker
I think we're about to get hooked up here. Yes, we are. Mm-hmm.
00:53:46
Speaker
Chic with your aforementioned steroid belly there. Mm-hmm.
00:53:53
Speaker
This woman with the feathered hair and the big, big glass rim, big rim glasses too. So into this thing. The one that's sitting next to Grizzly Smith? Yes.
00:54:05
Speaker
Cut-off sleeve camo is fired up in the background.
00:54:13
Speaker
think i see btk in the crowd too yeah no i definitely did it looks like it looks like uh kevin from the office yes yeah yeah like the the no sleeve camo came to the the arena with the in the trans am with the white t-shirt white belt guy you know what you know who i wonder if who if uh if our friend uh matt jh is possibly here is a he's a I think he's a couple of years older than I am, but not by much. is he older than us?
00:54:43
Speaker
He's got a a baby face then. Yeah, not not by a long shot, but I think think a couple years. I think maybe. I mean, maybe six or seven in here.
00:54:53
Speaker
That'd be amazing. ah What a story to tell. The boot's coming off here. We're going to see if this boot is actually loaded the way that Gorilla always surmises that they are.
00:55:07
Speaker
Well, yeah, that's why they got the curled toe, you know? Yeah, it's about science. You gotta kick it up into the front. Yep, of course.
00:55:20
Speaker
I miss being able to just blindly accept things like that.
00:55:27
Speaker
Not even to think about the actual science of it.
00:55:40
Speaker
And that's just, you know, the the way, look, we stopped talking there for second because he was he was enrapturing us again with this nonsense where it's just like the theatrics of him in the ring.
00:55:52
Speaker
He's so bigger than life here that it's like you want to pay attention. You want to be drawn in. I was just watching a Dr. Do video. Oh, okay. Let me tell you something, all right? All right?
00:56:06
Speaker
I'm in Fortnite. This one here, this is the one right here. e um made it South Park, you guys. I'm on South Park. so yeah Who's this motherfucker? Who's the one that looks like... Kobayashi?
00:56:22
Speaker
don't I'm going have some more Dayquil. Stay with me here. I'm sick again, by the way, everybody. think it's Rikiyataki.
00:56:31
Speaker
He's drinking Dayquil. Is that what you're doing?
00:56:37
Speaker
Looks like Piston Honda. Yes. Yes, it does. Holy shit. You're going to end up overdosing on Diphydramine. You know that? I actually did.
00:56:49
Speaker
That's why I got so sad about things earlier.
00:56:54
Speaker
Hey, look. It's that stand-up character ring a ring announcer guy that just disappeared one day. the tell very Always really loved that guy. It's a double count out here.
00:57:05
Speaker
You got to have a rematch, you know? Have a rematch. Oh, beautiful. We got a cage match against the Magnificent Morocco. As I told you, I'm a big fan of the Magnificent one.
00:57:23
Speaker
My goodness. what Look at this. He's got the ripped up white t-shirt on. Right. White tights. Chain link fence, yep. we This is pre-Blue Steel.
00:57:38
Speaker
And I think before the escape thing was a thing. so What's this BS? Got taken off commentary for that. didn't My goodness.
00:57:50
Speaker
It didn't last long, did it? It didn't. That's a shame. What, where are we here? Do you know, is this an MSG? I think it is. There's that exit sign. I think this is Madison Square Garden. ah Yeah. Did somebody throw a coconut in the ring? Is that what I'm seeing?
00:58:05
Speaker
I think Hulkster's got the arm tassels, by the way. see You see this? It sure does, yeah. yeah so Oh, no. I don't know what that was. Bananas?
00:58:16
Speaker
um
00:58:19
Speaker
Custodian of the door.
00:58:22
Speaker
You gotta remember, Morocco is a veteran of MSG cage wars. He used that. Oh my goodness. You see that? See how hard he swung that belt at Morocco's head and hit the fence and yeah with authority.
00:58:40
Speaker
Could have cracked a plate. these ah These white tights and boots and makes me think that maybe the Hulkster's gonna bleed here. I did have that thought myself.
00:58:54
Speaker
No rules in this match at all, according to Gene. gene gen Gene is on commentary with Geno. It's Gene and Geno. ah You know, they're going to be up to no good.
00:59:05
Speaker
It's sure to be chock full of inside comments that many people won't understand. have a Gene has been terrible. Terrible on commentary. It's just awful.
00:59:17
Speaker
It's not his strong strong suit.
00:59:23
Speaker
gene Gene needs to be, you know... Two-thirds of the way up the aisle looking at the camera. He needs to be speaking in sound bites and not analyzing action in the ring, just basically playing off of whatever the star wrestlers just said and getting him over.
00:59:48
Speaker
I've been watching some 2000 WCW Gene. It's pretty great. Yeah, he kind of he kind of turns very off, fuck it, doesn't he? Yeah.
01:00:00
Speaker
In terms of how he responds, and he gets edgier, and in the yeah. Basically, he's sex predator. Well.
01:00:11
Speaker
I'll never forget, man, when I was in school at KU in Lawrence, and I'd always see ah fucking, this... mean jeans burger truck that would drive through town no shit you ever have mean jeans burger never never i always wanted to have sherry's burger but right pussy yeah but i know roast beef i thought because if you turn it to the side it looks like a burger yeah no i got you yeah because sure because you're gonna turn it to the side um
01:00:49
Speaker
I'm pretty sure it means Gene's burgers were supplying the university. So God knows what business ventures Gene had going on.
01:00:59
Speaker
Makes me happy to think that Gene Okerlund was selling hamburgers to universities across the country. Gives him a reason to tour campus, doesn't it?
01:01:09
Speaker
That's good point. You're making a good point here I don't know. i don't know how to. how to combat that, I wouldn't have thought. I didn't even know it was a thing until you brought it up. I had no idea. I'm looking at it now.
01:01:23
Speaker
oh My goodness.
01:01:27
Speaker
They had one in Cheyenne, Wyoming, apparently. Radford University in Virginia.
01:01:38
Speaker
that's ah That's the university founded by ah wrestling legend rad Radford. Oh, yes. Thank you for
01:01:47
Speaker
That's Luis Piccoli, no? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Also Man Mountain Rock. Yeah, okay. Did you know... Jesus Christ.
01:01:58
Speaker
I just learned this. Are you ready for this? No. You would probably know this, but maybe not. It shook me. Did you know that Gigolo Jimmy Del Rey was also Jimmy Graffiti in WCW?
01:02:19
Speaker
No. Yes. It's Gigolo Jimmy Del
01:02:27
Speaker
Holy shit. I just learned that. I saw it on the internet. That's absolutely insane. Apparently he he got in some sex predator problems and and so he had to completely just change the whole look up and everything and that's when Jimmy Graffiti came around and then also at the same time he was spray painting, uh, the NWO was spray painting and the Luchadors came in.
01:02:54
Speaker
So it kind of killed his cruiserweight buzz and, you know, didn't really take off according to the video I saw.
01:03:03
Speaker
Jimmy Graffiti. Yeah. He shaved all of his facial hair. He looks complete. He looks different.
01:03:11
Speaker
Yeah. So let's see here. amazing what happens when you don't present yourself as a man named Gigolo Jimmy Del Rey from Tennessee. You will look different.
01:03:23
Speaker
It's a very distinct look. Beach Island, South Carolina, Cheyenne, Wyoming, Creighton, Saskatchewan, el San Antonio, Texas, South Dakota, Radford University, West Virginia University, and a bowling alley at Fort Sam's.
01:03:44
Speaker
Nice.
01:03:50
Speaker
My goodness.
01:03:56
Speaker
Ungalvanized. Hulkster's got the blade. Oh, they just slipped. Okay, I saw it. Yep. He pulled out his pants.
01:04:07
Speaker
Uh-huh. The top of his waist, yeah. Right before the the flip up.
01:04:15
Speaker
I tell you the storage of the razor blade just makes me so fucking uneasy. Like, I don't have an issue with the cutting. think i that Like, the guys that would put it in their mouth.
01:04:29
Speaker
Like, how do you... know I mean, that's where Flair kept it right in his mouth. How do you do that? How do you go out there and wrestle and have that in your mouth and not accidentally swallow it? um don't know.
01:04:41
Speaker
I feel like I could probably... store it underneath my my my gigantic fucking upper lip. But like... Not when you're out there gassed and sucking air. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, precisely.
01:04:56
Speaker
Wild to think about. Like, the last thing I want while I'm just insanely uncomfortable physically is a razor blade in my goddamn mouth. Sliced of gums.
01:05:08
Speaker
Fucking maniacs. Like, Jesus Christ. Like... the The wrist tape, I think, is the only acceptable thing I could come up with. You know, you put the little thing on the wrist and you put tape over it and then he uncover it and do it. But I wouldn't do it any other way.
01:05:30
Speaker
Jesus Christ, Morocco hung himself. That was amazing. Oh, my goodness. I must be a second or two behind you. Oh, sorry. That's great.
01:05:42
Speaker
My goodness.
01:05:46
Speaker
see where Foley got it, right?
01:05:52
Speaker
Now he's fucking porn stars in the ass. Yeah, how about that Christy Canyon, huh? I mean, old ones, but... She had big old saggy fits in the 90s.
01:06:02
Speaker
Yes, she did. And she, uh... Hulkster wins. Look, i don't think i ever told the Mick Foley story that I have on here. One day we will. There it Maybe that day is today. There we go. Executive producer Arthur Morowitz...
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Brings to you Hulkster Hulk Hogan. Porno King, Arthur Morowitz. Produced and written by Stephen Hecht.
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Craig Leathers. Associate Producers Craig Leathers for Titan Sports and Ernie Schultz at CNC Visual.
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Editor Ernie Schultz. Is that the Grand Wizard? Or the... the Isn't that the Wizard? No? Ernie Roth, I believe. Christopher A. Cohen from C&C Visual. I'm guessing that's Christopher N. Copen, my guess.
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Special thanks to Vince McMahon. Which one? Thank you.
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Liz Defabio. Liz Defabio Howard Finkel. Nelson Swigler. Jerry Smallwood and Frank something or other. Went too fast. And assistant and producer, Christopher Stange.
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Or Stang, perhaps. Evart Enterprises, 1985. Titan Sports, 1985. and community That's the end of the Hulkster, Hulk Hogan.
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Are we watching this other one tonight? We're doing that? No. No. We'll do that one on sound, I think. We'll do it by itself. Look, there's a lot to say about this guy. There's a lot to to look back on.
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appreciate about you know that separation of church and state that we must make in our brains to make this uh palatable um but what he was what what hulk hogan was what he represented the idea of him as we we discussed is uh is really something and something pretty powerful we we discussed a couple weeks ago on the program
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the kind of good he could have done had he landed on the right side of history here the end. Right. That's why I included the amount of that clip of him at the the Republican National Convention talking about them taking a shot at his hero.
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I just, you know, having him out there espousing the, it would have been a real, way for him to get back some of what he lost over the last 20 years or so.
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And the fact that he didn't see that as reality kind of tells us all we need to know about the man behind the creation.
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Well, I don't think there's any, you know, it just confirmed what we we knew about him. If he had He had the chance and you know he hed made what he he did what he always does and he made a ah calculated bet and a strategic move based on the direction that he felt that the wind was going to blow favorably and that's that's the way he went. I don't think it's any more... Granted, ah think that's the way he
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wants to go so that, you know, makes it that much nicer. But um yeah, like it, the, the man long ago, dead and gone, like, like we've discussed.
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And he, he could not stop getting in his own way of, of, of any type of just recovery of that.
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And we knew that and we talked about that. And now, you know, it's I guess we it's up to us to do whatever we do to um because he can do no more damage to Hulk Hogan that that mark has been set and and the stamp has been stamped written hand has wrought, as they say.
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and um you know, maybe as time goes on ah the memory of Hulk Hogan can be resurrected and um saved and perhaps put where it should be properly um and not necessarily chained to the man who was the primary deliverer of the message of Hulkamania.
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Because at some point, it it does become bigger than him,
Legacy of Hulk Hogan: Myth vs. Man
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I think. It did. and Oh, certainly. Yeah. Well, and I think i think you you hit the nail on the head with him going the way the wind blew.
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You have this entire group of people that are out there that are buying Bibles and they're buying dolls and they're buying stuffed animals, you know, bear stuffed bears and they're buying...
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perfume, cologne, and hats, and and that's being spent on hero worship.
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Here we are again. Right? Why wouldn't the carny gravitate to where the money lives? Right? To the the rubes that are falling for it.
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It's the exact audience that It's the exact opposite. It's the same audience. I can only imagine the private conversations that that he had with his people about the opportunities of like we can all sell this and do this and the MAGA power. You know, all that shit, man.
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And the fucking beer. And in it's... It was just... It's a transactional human thing. It's what so what they do.
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And that's what he was. And and it's not... It's but that's right who's going to be drawn to wrestling. So it's not a shock. And that's just it, right? When the story that is crafted by the manipulator becomes more...
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more
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Yes, it becomes bigger, but it also becomes more important than the human. Right? Like there's like this level of sadness to that, right? the The idea that that duality is created by something that's false and coming to realize that, especially when it was so impactful on you as a human, especially a small human, right? There's just this, it's battling with that that that piece of you, that piece of you that is still child in some way, that has to look at a situation and understand that finally, you you have to confront the ah reality of that situation, that you were sold a bill of goods.
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But does that mean that it was useless to you? Maybe, maybe not, but I tend to believe not. i't I don't think it was useless to me. I think i think the idea of Paul Kogan for me is what taught me good versus, you know, that there's good and there's evil.
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Yeah.
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Everything's what you make of it, right? Mm-hmm. I
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i don't know. I did have a good point to make, I thought, and I lost it, but, um,
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we'll have more time talk through this. Yeah. I, I, I feel like, you know, with the whole, whole thing with the Hulkster and, um the way the kind of the last couple of years went and all that stuff. And it, it It's something that, as you've, you know, it's unique to our generation, I think, because
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if you look back over time, there's a, ah like, at some point, we are the, we're kind of the first, we are the, as we were growing up, like, everything became reality at some point.
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like There was no longer this this wall or a veil or mat between... you know ah like People 10, 20 years before us never knew what ah their heroes were doing or what Hollywood or their favorite musicians... or like You didn't know anything unless it was on the fucking TV or in a magazine that you're reading or something.
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like you You only knew what was portrayed. you never saw the underbelly of anybody unless, you know, they drove a fucking car into a goddamn, you know, school bus full of children or something.
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Like, uh, who's a, who was a famous person, you know, like, like fucking Elvis, the fifties and sixties Elvis, you know, stuff like that, you know, know towards the end when it starts getting more kind of tabloid shit, but, uh, like there is,
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the the the stars of that era and stuff, which as we, you know, come to find out, they're all broken down and flawed and real and everything. But, you know, people people didn't have to watch that happen right in front of their face and unfold. And it it's damaging no matter which way it happens, I guess, is is the ah lesson or the rest of the tales Paul would tell us. but Well, yeah, and you know,
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that brings to mind the idea you know we're we're back to this gender this current generation which is the generation that we experienced and what i believe is the last generation to experience a separation of a public persona from a private persona because of the way we are all so endlessly connected throughout the day yeah this thing our this thing in our hand
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has in many many ways in many real ways has made our lives much better but in more and important ways has ruined us for um
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for enjoying life on life's terms we we no longer There is no longer the celebrities are celebrities sure, but we're watching their lives play out in real time.
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With Hulk Hogan, none of us knew and nobody gave a shit who he voted for. Right there. Nobody, nobody gave me shit.
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You know what his favorite food was or what, or where he was right now on vacation. you know, what was going on with him at Hogan's Beach Shop on Monday nights with Jimmy, right? yeah Nobody gave a shit because he was just Hulk Hogan. He's the guy that you watch once every three months on closed circuit on or on pay-per-view or whatever, or you went to the garden to see him occasionally.
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um And now none of that exists anymore. There is no, there's no more fourth wall anywhere. Not on television, not There's no separation, right?
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and And I think that this death in particular crystallizes that a little bit more for me as well, where it's like that death is more representative to me of the how important it is to have that fourth wall.
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Because once the fourth wall went away and and we saw Hulk Hogan's penis um the thermos the thermos uh we uh that was that was that was the end of poncho and where lefty took over yeah you know i mean he probably would have been fine if he have just kept his mouth shut and it was just the penis yeah know probably little eyes on it like the trump penis except much bigger Trump has a gen tiny, tiny penis. Can we just wait just for one half a second to talk about how brilliant those two men are and how we need to ride them into the sunset?
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a I saw a clip and they they were talking about the penis and how they had to fight the battle to not have the penis blurred. And the ah the way they got around that was putting the eyes on it.
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you put the eyes on it, it makes it a character, and you can't you don't have to blur it. But if it was no eyes, it's just a penis, and they were going to blur it. So that's why the penis had the little eyes. was great.
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It's just wonderful, wonderful stuff. And also not only a little penis, just disgusting. looked like a little hot dog casing around it, and it was a different color. it was just an awesome job of...
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I liked how it said PSA 1 of 50. I hope they put one of those in every episode that they got $1.5 billion dollars for. Timing is immaculate.
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Just wonderful. Wonderful. $1.5 billion dollars for five years of what I imagine will be some of the, at the very least, some of the best content we've ever seen from anything in entertainment. So there's something to look forward to, I suppose.
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He's going to do something crazy. He's going to, and it's going to be...
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anybody can break him, it'll be then. Correct. Thank you.
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Life's about outlaws, Blake.
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Last outlaw, dude?
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One dies a legend in Mexico, and the other one lives on quietly and miserably.
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Like Jeff Jarrett?
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Listen up, slap nuts.