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159 - Barbarella (1968)
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"What's that screaming? A good many dramatic situations begin with screaming..."
With The Marvels heading into theaters this weekend, we’re taking the time to discuss the first movie ever about a space-faring heroine adapted from a comic book! Join us as we talk about topics as broad and varied as the eternal beauty of Jane Fonda, the storied career of producer Dino de Laurentiis, Alan Moore’s League of Extraordinary Gentlemen comics, and what the proposed sequel might have looked like!
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Transcript
Introduction to 'Disenfranchised' Podcast
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I'll sing one for you
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better adjust your tongue box because the disenfranchised podcast is on the air. That's right. We're that podcast all about those franchises of one, those films that fancy themselves, full fledged franchises before falling flat on their face. After the first film, I am your host, Stephen Foxworthy. Joining me as always, the man who is hungry, like the wolf. It is my co-host Tucker. Hey, Tucker.
00:00:44
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Hello, Steven. How's it going buddy? No, I asked you first. Well, we kind of asked each other at the same time. Well, we stayed at the same time. Three, two, one. I'm doing great. Yeah. It's fun. Yeah. That was great. That worked out very well. Yeah. Good job everybody. High five. Let's pack it in. Right on. We can all go home. Well, that's our, that's our episode everybody. Thanks for joining us. They didn't even say what movie we're covering, but yeah.
Humorous Mention of Brett's Absence
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Brett, unfortunately, is lost in a labyrinth that can hold no evil. So we hope for his speedy return one of these days. But until such a time as that happens, Tucker, you and I are here to talk about a very special movie. It is. It is. What movie are we talking about today?
Introduction to 'Barbarella' Film
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We are talking about Barbarella.
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1968's Barbarella, directed by Roger Vadim and starring Jane Fonda, John Philip Law, Anita Pallenberg, Milo O'Shea, Marcel Marceau, Claude Dauphin, David Hemmings, Ugo Tagnazzi, like just what a cast. Tucker, what a picture.
00:01:59
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Yeah, dude. Agreed. This thing is fucking wild. This movie is like if Flash Gordon was a sexploitation movie, it would be this. I agree. And I kind of dig that. I kind of dig that.
Tucker's First Encounter with 'Barbarella'
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Well, I kind of have a history with it. I don't want to really reveal how I feel about the film until I kind of go through my history with this movie. But yeah, it's
00:02:28
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I you know, it's it's it's something it's something very unique. And see, I don't have any history with this movie. So this was this was a first time experience for me.
Comparing 'Barbarella' and 'The Marvels'
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I do want to say we are covering this, a movie based on a comic book about a woman in space, because in theaters this weekend is a movie based on a comic book about a woman in space, the Marvel's out this weekend. And so because of that, I want to see that.
00:02:56
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Yeah, because of that, we are talking Barbarella. Yeah, I'm like, I might go to the movie theater to see the Marvels. That's I mean, I haven't been to see a Marvel movie at the theater since Endgame, just because like I care enough about them to watch them, just not enough to like go watching at the theater, but the way into because I like
00:03:21
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I saw I did. I did want to see Multiverse of Madness. I would have had I been able to. But other than that, you know, or, you know, that the Spider-Man's the most recent Spider-Man's I would. Sure. But the majority of the stuff they put out, like, I want to see it, but I don't really care to see the
Appreciation for Brie Larson as Captain Marvel
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theater. But the Marvel's like, I really like that cast and I really like all of those characters. I really like the Miss Marvel series. And that one was good. That one was very good.
00:03:51
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I really just like a homegirl who's for some reason her name is escaping me, the gal who plays Captain Marvel. Brie Larson. Thank you. I had Brie. I was trying to say Alison Brie, but that's the gal from community. Correct. Who's married to DeFranco. Yeah. But Brie Larson, I just I like her entire vibe. I do, too. I dig her. Yeah, she's cool.
00:04:16
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And I think she's really cool as Captain Marvel because like her vibe isn't really like a superhero vibe at all. Mm hmm. And I think it really works for the character.
Critique of 90s/2000s Pop Songs in Trailers
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And I really liked Captain Marvel and I like I said, I like Ms. Marvel. I like the things that went on with with Rambo's daughter there in WandaVision.
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Yeah, so they're bringing Teyana Paris back for this one too. So that's rad dude I'm excited to see how it goes. I am sick of hearing that seeing that trailer though Because just like every trailer that I hate that has come out in the last five years It's a popular song from the 90s or early 2000s. Mm-hmm, but like with in a minor key or full like symphonic score behind it and this time it's
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fucking intergalactic by the Beastie Boys, and it's the most laughably stupid use of a pop song with an orchestra behind it. It's so fucking stupid. Didn't that one get used in Guardians 3? Like, didn't they use it in Guardians 3? Probably. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.
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I think I kind of want to I kind of want to look now. I cannot wait until that trend passes because I'm sure the first couple of times I was like, that's kind of a neat idea. Yeah. But boy, do I fucking hate it now. Every time a blockbuster trailer comes on, I'm like, what fucking 90 song are we going to rip out of the grave and like completely sodomize? Yep. In front of all these people.
00:05:54
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Yeah, I mean, it is absolutely. That is absolutely what it's become. And like, again, the first couple of times it worked, but now it's all they do.
Discussion on Drinks
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So. When it's every square on your bingo card. Yeah, I'm stop. It feels like it's the only way they know how to do it. And that's unfortunate. It really is. Well, it's a numbers game, Steven, and you know, that's what's in now.
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Oh, I know. I wish it weren't, but it is. Yeah, this is kind of spicy. I didn't expect it to have a little bit of spice to it. What's what's that? That beer that you were talking about? Yeah. Oh, it does. OK. Orange peel and holiday slices spices. OK.
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OK, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt with that, but like I've I've taken small sips of it and it was very citrusy, but then I kind of took a big gulp of it and I felt like the cinnamon kind of spicy sort of Christmas beer sort of thing. I've got a whiskey that has some of some of those kind of spicy notes, too. It's the Indian whiskey that my partner got me for my birthday, which I don't hate, but I'm very particular about how it's used. I don't like a lot of it.
00:07:06
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Like that's why I bought the holiday white ale instead of the seasonal, like the regular ass, middle of the road Sam Adams winter beer, because that's just beer, Christmas, like potpourri. Like it tastes like potpourri smells. Yeah, no thanks. Yeah, it's not for me either. Would rather not. Yeah.
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Good
Tucker's Childhood Experience with 'Barbarella'
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anyway. But yeah, Barbarella. Barbarella. So yeah, what is your history with Barbarella, Tucker? Well, Stephen, as when I was a young warthog or as others might say, when I wore a younger man's clothes,
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I was probably about 16 or 17 when I saw this movie. And this was kind of when I was first getting into movies, I was becoming a film fan. It was becoming a big, big hobby and interest for me. And I saw this. It was another one that I saw on one of the free weekends that you'd get for like HBO Showtime and stuff. If you had cable, sometimes I'd give you a preview weekend where you could access the HBO channels and stuff.
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HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, all the Disney channels. This was on one night and I'm like, what the fuck is this? And I put it on and I'm like, sweet Jane Fonda. Yeah, I'm way into that. And then like she starts kicking all her gear off and I'm like, sweet Jane Fonda. I'm way into this. Yeah, way into this.
00:08:42
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OK, can I can I interrupt you to ask you a question? Because I legitimately want to know the answer to this. Go ahead. Yeah. Is Jane Fonda the most beautiful woman to ever exist? She's because she's one of them case can be made on this. And it's not it's not just that she's pretty or that her her body is aesthetically pleasing. Although to be clear, it is. All of these things are true. I'm just saying what really seals the deal.
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is for me, her voice. I really love her voice.
Praise for Jane Fonda
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She has a very unique, nobody talks like she does. She has, it's kind of like, she doesn't sound like Christopher Walken, but it's kind of a Christopher Walken thing where like, you don't know what that accent is and nobody else sounds like that. And I just, I love her voice and I love the way that she talks.
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And yeah, like I've had a big crush on her since I was a kid with like one of my mom's favorite movies is nine to five, which is ironic because she's conservative. But yeah, yeah, interesting. See, my parents on principle didn't like Jane Fonda because of the whole Vietnam thing.
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like my dad was in the military around Vietnam and just nope could not could not sanction Jane Fonda and so I never watched anything Jane Fonda until I got older and there's still a lot of Jane Fonda I have to catch up on but yeah I was watching this and I legitimately had the thought like
00:10:07
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Is she the most beautiful woman to ever exist? Because I think we could make a case for that. I really don't. And she's she's such a delight. Like, even now, like, I don't watch a lot of stuff that she's in. I watched some Grace and Frankie and that was.
Jane Fonda's Career Trajectory
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Really, really good. Her and such a fun show. Her and fucking Lily Tomlin. Yes, her and Lily Tomlin are just are great together. Like I say, nine to five, like they've done some other things together, too, like.
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I'm pretty sure the two of them presented with Dolly at like either the Oscars or the Golden Globes a couple of years ago, and it was probably most fun. I love I love all three of them, but it kind of feels like like. Oh, fuck, I just.
00:10:57
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You're having a really hard time tonight. I am. I'm sorry. So it's it's Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin are like the core of that group. And Dolly is just kind of like the one that comes over. She's still as much part of the group. Mm hmm.
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But she's she like they live together, but she like lives a couple of houses down. You know what I mean? That's the dynamic of that friendship, I feel like. Yeah. And like I say, like she's still such a delight to see so many interviews with her on late night and stuff and YouTube videos, people interviewing her. And she's just been fucking 80 years old. She's with the whole last life, too. Like she's lived a
Analysis of 'Barbarella's' Sex Scene
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sharpest life. Yeah.
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She can still get it, too. I'm just saying. Mm hmm. She's not not unattractive. Yeah, still in her 80s. Like, yeah, she could get it. She doesn't want it to be fair, but she could. She could get it. No, she does in this movie. Yes. When Eddie Murphy saying those notorious words, my girl likes to party all the time. He could have been singing about Barbarella. And she's talking about he was talking about Barbarella. Yeah.
00:12:11
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So, so, so, yeah, so this is a formative formative movie for for Baby Tukey. So I saw this film and this was one of my first experiences, known experiences with Dino De Laurentiis in the 60s. My second and favorite Dino De Laurentiis experience that I've had from the 60s.
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is a little movie called Danger Diabolique. Future episode of this podcast, Danger Diabolique. I can't fucking wait. I love that movie. And fun fact, some of the same sets from Danger Diabolique were used in this film, along with one of the major actors. Yeah.
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Like the guy who plays the angel, Pygar, is the title character, Diabolique, so yeah. He is, and he's so, you wouldn't recognize him in Danger Diabolique. That's what I've heard, yeah. He's just got the black, like black as midnight hair, and he's like this like sexy spy dude. Yeah.
00:13:22
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Yeah, which are the best deals are the sexiest underground. He lives in this underground layer with a spinning bed that's like money all over it and stuff. Hell, yeah. Yeah. And he drives a really cool car and he wears like a mask that I'm pretty sure he almost died
Film's Production Design and Satire
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a few times wearing because there's no way he could breathe in it like probably the way they made those movies back then. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Yeah. And they didn't give two shits about nothing. Nope. Nope. Get it done.
00:13:52
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Figure it out, get it done. Yep. Man, actor safety. What the fuck is that? Who cares? Not Hollywood producers. I really liked this film when I first saw it because I'd never seen anything like it before. Ever. And I've never seen I haven't seen it since until I watched it a couple hours ago. Right. And
00:14:17
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There are three things I remembered from this film when I originally watched it. I remember the opening scene. Kind of hard to forget that. Let me just say I had never seen this movie before, but I had watched the opening scene once or twice.
00:14:34
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My best friend when I lived in Washington was the 10-year-old girl that lived next door to me. Okay. I was home all the time. She was home all the time. We were best friends. Makes sense. I don't want to tell you. Sure. But she really liked Ariana Grande and like- That tracks.
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Uh, we were watching some of her music videos one day and I was like, she's doing a Barbarella. She's doing the thing. Cause she, she has a whole music video where she's basically doing the opening credit scene from Barbarella. Except I'm sure with more clothes. Yes. Yes. Much more clothes. Yeah. Um, for many reasons. So I remembered that. I remembered that there was a shirtless angel guy. Mm-hmm.
00:15:19
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And I remember fucking chiseled specimen specimen of a man. I remembered the proper and refined way to make love, Stephen, which is to take a pill and close your eyes and put your hands together. Yeah, I have referenced that so many times in the last 20 years. Can I so many times can I tell you how glad I am that we actually see what that looks like and how that works?
00:15:46
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Homeboy's hair afterwards, boy, she took him on a ride, dude. They get a blowout. They basically, they stand there, they stare at each other, and they get a blowout, and that's how that works. A secret blowout.
00:15:58
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because everything that happens in that scene and having to do with that dude is secret. He has a secret radio, his key is secret. If you watch that scene to pay attention, that's the only adjective he uses. Everything is secret. That tracks, yeah. That is fucking wild, man. That, oh god, this movie is so fucking wild. The production value on this thing is...
00:16:22
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For a late 60s movie, for a late 60s B movie, there's nothing like this, man. It is so good. Like so good. So I hadn't seen it, like I say, for about 20 years. And I still really like it. I really appreciate it. But I found myself very bored this time around.
00:16:48
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The pacing is grueling. I mean, yeah. I mean, like Jane Fonda is a delight to watch in this movie, but there's some times where she's not really doing much for a long time and you're just like, boys.
00:17:06
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I think I need to look at my phone and see what's going on on Instagram. No, you're absolutely right. The pacing in this movie is absolutely excruciating. It's so slow.
00:17:23
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like they could have trimmed a good 10 minutes off this movie just by like tightening some of those sequences. But I mean, also, this is the 60s. And again, the production design is really cool. Even in those scenes where they've got the blue screen back there and it looks like they're just showing like deleted footage from an Antonioni movie or something like you with all the like blobs and bubbles and shit.
00:17:47
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I think that looks great with her like fading in and out of it. I think that that that's a that's in camera and like she's obviously like coming in and out of a curtain or whatever, but it's seamless. It looks great. It looks it. No, that's that's just it. It looks fucking cool. And like this movie.
00:18:04
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To hear Roger Vadim talk about it, he wanted this to be visual
Jane Fonda's Relationships and Activism
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spectacle above anything else. So he was not really concerned with any political messaging, which is apparent in the film. And I think it's something that kind of rubbed fond of the wrong way.
00:18:21
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Which I, you know, I don't really understand, but she's, she's a smart lady. So like, like, I, I don't get it. But like, that's valid, whatever. She did not enjoy making this movie for a number of reasons, which we can get into later, we can get into now, I don't really care. But like, she did not like making this movie. But I think in I think, and that was, I think maybe more of a retrospect thing, I think as she was making it.
00:18:45
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Because the character is played as an innocent, as someone who was just born without the stigma of sex or anything like that. And in that way, the film is kind of a satire, but the satirical element is...
00:19:02
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minimal at best. That's not what this movie is. It's a harmless little movie. Like it's not something to be like having political or social discussions about. It's a silly little fucking movie. Like it doesn't matter. This is like the textbook definition of camp. Absolutely. Yeah. Steven, are you? Oh, you're not. I thought you were drinking a V8 energy there. No, I'm drinking a Topo Chico strawberry hibiscus.
00:19:31
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Oh, that's fun. A hard seltzer, as it were. Oh, which this is this is what I've been replacing beer with is. Yeah, you got it, man. There's no zero calories, dude. Yeah. Well, 100 calories per can, but like no fat, low sodium, barely any sugar like. And it tastes good, so yeah, it's not bad.
00:19:54
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But anyway, yeah, that's a trifle of a movie. It's not it's nothing to get upset over. But like I say, Jane Fonda, like, you know, do your thing, girl, like you were there. I wasn't there. So right. And I mean, this is so this is an interesting let's let's get into the Fonda of it for for a second, if we can, because this is kind of an interesting time in her career. So she's still fairly new on the scene. Like, I think she started she starts making movies in the fifties.
00:20:22
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No, her first movie is 1960. Yeah, I mean, she had she was a big deal by this point, though, because she has.
Fonda's Shift to Serious Roles
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She had done. What was that damn movie? Shit, what movie am I thinking of? Cat Ballou. No. Welcome Wildside.
00:20:48
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In the cool of the day, Sunday, New York, Circle of Love. No, see, I was thinking they shoot horses, don't they? But it was after. That's a couple of years after. Yeah, but it's one year after. But yeah, no, it's her next movie. Right. I thought it was before. No, but yeah, I mean, she she had had some she was a name. People knew who she was when she. This is this is the sex kitten stage of her career. She makes three movies with her husband at the time, Roger Vadim.
00:21:15
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The first one they make shortly after they get married with Vadim's ex-wife Bridget Bardot.
00:21:22
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who this character was based on, by the way. Right. In fact, it was also an amazing if you like 60s French pop, like check out Brigitte Bardot. She's got some great songs. Fuck yeah. I mean, and her movies are also phenomenal. She does a cover of Suzanne by Leonard Cohen. That is it's all in French, but it's oh, it's amazing. It's great.
00:21:49
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Yeah. Right on. Sorry, go ahead. No, but she does. So the first film they do together is Circle of Love. And that is Vadim's film. The promotional material for that included a eight story billboard of Fonda naked to promote the movie. So there was that. The second film they do together is The Game Is Over.
00:22:16
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Um, which nude photos from the closed set managed to leak to the tabloids. Uh, so that was like, so Fonda has is like two for two on sex scandals with inner husbands movies. This is the third one and final one that they make together.
00:22:33
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And I think after this, her career kind of pivots away from the sex kitten stuff into the more political arena that she would occupy in the 70s. The next year is they who shoot horses, don't they? Two years later, she wins her first Oscar for Clute.
00:22:53
Speaker
Steel Yard Blues and A Doll's House in 73. Like A Doll's House is just like in a phenomenal Ibsen film. She gets married to politician Tom Hayden during that time. Like her and Vadim I think divorce in 64, 65 maybe?
00:23:14
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Uh, or no, it would be, no, it would be like maybe 72 maybe, uh, cause they were still married when they made this movie, obviously. Um, but like she, and so she becomes a lot more politically active. Um.
00:23:30
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And like looking at the relationship section of her IMDB page is just like a veritable who's who of like sixties and seventies personas. Um, I think she even told Andy Cohen that the one regret that she had, the one person she regretted not being in a relationship with was Marvin Gaye. She was like, he asked, I wanted to, but I was married. And so I said, no, which I respects. Yeah.
00:23:58
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But I don't know if I mean, I'm a heterosexual man and I don't know if I would have been able to say no to Marvin Gaye. So like she's he's he's constantly prompting us to get it on.
Tucker's Theater Anecdote
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Exactly. I mean, look, he can feel it rising. Trying to hold back that feeling, you could only hold back that feeling for so long.
00:24:23
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And apparently Jane Fonda said that when she found out that when he died, he had a picture of her on his refrigerator.
00:24:30
Speaker
Oh, I mean, everybody should have a picture of Jane Fonda in the refrigerator, though. I should, actually. You're right. I need to get on that. I need to fix that. Get right on that. Right. But no, Fonda is fucking treasure. And she's on a really fertile, creative run. She's won two Oscars, one of only a handful of performers who've won two Oscars.
00:24:55
Speaker
And she won them for Clute, as I mentioned, and her other, she was nominated for they shoot horses, don't they? The other one she won was for Coming Home. Best actress in a leading role for Coming Home. Oh, that came out the same year as California Suite. Yes. Which is a play I was in. Okay. I played Bill Cosby's character, which I was very honored to do at the time. At the time.
00:25:25
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No longer. It was fun, though. I got to do a lot of physical comedy, lots of pratfalls on stage. It was a lot of fun. That's always nice. That's always a lot of fun when
Comparison of 'Barbarella' and 'Flash Gordon'
00:25:35
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you get to. Yeah. And the guy the guy who played Richard Pryor's character was he was really
00:25:43
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he was a very physical dude so like he was able to like I don't know give me the kind of momentum I needed when we were like fake fighting to really sell the pratfalls
00:25:58
Speaker
Nice. It was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun. I am at play. For some reason, when you said California Suite, I thought of California Split, the Robert Altman movie with Elliot Gould. Yeah. No, that's different. And George Seagal. Very, very different thing. So, yeah. But yeah, man, like Jane Fonda. So great.
00:26:25
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And he loved her. Yeah, man. But Barbara, like, again, just schlocky, cheesy. This feels like the kind of movie they would have made in the late 70s, early 80s to try to cash in on the Star Wars craze instead of like something they made this. But I mean, like I got some major Flash Gordon vibes off of this thing. Now, granted, De Laurentiis was producer on both.
00:26:52
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Yeah. But like I was getting some major Flash Gordon vibes on this.
Dino De Laurentiis as a Prolific Producer
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Good old Dino. Good old Dino.
00:27:00
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I mean, we've we've covered a fair few De Laurenti's films on this podcast so far. It's hard to live a life without like walking through some Dino every once in a while. It's very difficult. He was a prolific producer. He really was in the 70s and 80s and 90s, even he was putting shit out that was blowing people's minds. I mean, his last producer credit just just take a guess as to when his last producer credit was.
00:27:28
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I don't know.
00:27:45
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In fact, Hannibal Rising is one of three films that he is credited on in 2007. Those are his last credits, 2007. He dies in 2010. So like he's still getting executive producer credits on shit like three years before his death. Just prolific as fuck in the production department. He's one of those guys that like I put him up there with like
00:28:10
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Roger Corman in that he's one of those guys who would give chances to directors that would go on to be really big.
00:28:18
Speaker
Mm hmm. Like really, really huge. But he also was like very much like a penny pincher. A lot of his movies look fairly cheap, even if they're awesome. They still kind of have that cheap look to them like a lot of Corman's films did because he was always concerned about doing it as cheaply and as quickly as possible. We're using sets, we're using costumes, we're using actors, stuff like that to try to get the most bang for his buck.
00:28:47
Speaker
Well, because Korman is a businessman who loves art. Yeah. And that's a boy. He's really good at it. There's a lot of those movie producers that are just really good at finding really good talent.
00:29:04
Speaker
But like being really serious about, hey, this this is your budget and you've got four weeks. Yeah. I'll see you in fucking four weeks. And that that is that's that is like it has to have this in it. It has to have this and it has to have this in it. Outside of that, I don't give a shit. Make the movie.
00:29:21
Speaker
And that's like that. And sorry, go ahead. No, I was going to say that's how Coppola made his first movie. Dementia 13 for 13. It was literally there
Coppola's Early Career and Roger Corman's Influence
00:29:30
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were like there was like two weeks like filming wrapped early on the previous movie. And so they had two weeks. And so he turns a couple is like, you got anything you want to make? You got this cast, you got this location, you got two weeks. Make it happen. Oh, yeah. Like if you want to see the main locations from Dementia 13 again, just watch the undead. Yeah.
00:29:48
Speaker
because most like the all the sets I believe in that movie are from the undead like they just wrapped up on that and yeah and Coppola was like like second unit director or something on that and he's like you want to make a film you want to make a picture go for it yeah dude you got you got these people you got you got this set this location and he makes what is what I think is a pretty serviceable proto slasher
'Barbarella's' Sexy yet Wholesome Appeal
00:30:10
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in Dimension 13. It's nothing to write home about, but it has a lot of those themes that would come to define Coppola's work, like family and secrets and things like that. It's all there in his first film, and I think that's what makes an auteur, is you can start to see the seeds of the filmmaker they would become, even in the first film.
00:30:30
Speaker
And I mean, I don't know enough about the work of Roger Vadim to say whether or not he is an auteur or not, but he seems to be kind of playing in the in this exploitation.
00:30:41
Speaker
sandbox quite a bit in such a wholesome way in this movie, though, is that just me? But like, is this the sexiest, most wholesome movie you've ever seen? It feels like it like the it feels both liberating and because at the same time, like it's very like Barbara is kind of an innocent, but then the male gaze is like so strong in this movie. Like this might as well be called male gaze, the movie.
00:31:10
Speaker
The movie. Yeah, because I mean, like we're everyone is kind of leering at Barbarella and we are, too. Like Guilty is charged. I am. I am also leering at Barbarella. But to be fair. Mm hmm. There are a lot. It's not just Ladyflesh. You see a lot of in this movie. Correct. With the exception of off
Debate on Sex Scenes in Films
00:31:34
Speaker
the whole time, I would say with the exception of Duran Duran.
00:31:38
Speaker
like everybody's just kind of the it must be really hot wherever they are because it's like except that first guy who's like oh where we could make love.
00:31:49
Speaker
Yeah. She's like, if there's anything I can do for you, he's like, well, now that you've mentioned it, you're pretty hot. Let's fuck. And she's like, why would you want to do that? And he's like, you asked me what I wanted. This is what I want. She's like, all right, well, here, take this pill. And he's like, I don't know anything about this. He's like, there's the bed. Let's do this the old fashioned way. And she's like, well, no, people haven't done that in hundreds of years. It's very distracting. And then and here's here's my favorite thing about Barbarella Tucker.
00:32:14
Speaker
At the beginning of this movie, she has her own theme song, which I want to get to. I want to come back to that in a second. She's got her own theme song with its own like lyrics about how Barbara is great. But then every time that she has an orgasm in this movie, she hums her own theme music. She's like just sitting there just humming her own theme music, just like in post-coital ecstasy. Yeah, dude. I mean, I would, too, if I had a theme song. And I'm right.
00:32:46
Speaker
So we in the what are we watching segment that's coming out Sunday for our patrons patreon.com slash this and French pod. You and I discussed the kind of the musak, the very 60s kind of musaki.
00:32:59
Speaker
score for this film. But again, as I said, this movie's got an opening song, and this used to happen a lot in movies, it has an opening song that like is about the main character of the movie. When is the last time that happened? Because that used to be something that happened a lot in movies, and it hasn't really happened in a while. When's the last time you remember that happening?
00:33:23
Speaker
Hmm. I mean, you've got you've got because I have one in my thinking and men in black, like that's that's the one I'm thinking of as Wild Wild West in ninety nine. Was that the last time that happened? Last time. Yeah. Because I think Will Smith was the last guy that could pull that off. But yeah, that hasn't happened in a long time now where there's just been a song about the movie in the movie.
00:33:52
Speaker
Or in this case, in the case of Wild Wild West, in the closing credits, Wild Wild West, future episode of this podcast, by the way. Yes, I can't wait. Wicked, Wicked Wild Wild West, Jim West, Desperado, Rough Rider. No, you don't want Nada. None of this. That's kind of his mother running this buffalo soldier. Look, it's like I told you, any damsel that's in distress, be out of that dress when she meet Jim West.
00:34:16
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, that was I was I mean, I was I was a kid in the 90s when you want for me. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? And it was just what we did. We memorize Will Smith lyrics. You were allowed to listen to Will Smith because he was the guy who didn't curse. Right. Well, he was the friend. He was the first Prince of Bel Air. What your parents didn't know. It was in the record home base. That's the one that has summertime.
00:34:43
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Summer, summer, summer time. The Fresh Prince has one song where he lets it rip, dude. Yeah. It's called You Saw My Blinker. Mm. And it's a song about getting into a car accident and having to go to court for it to contest whose fault it was. Mm-hmm. And it feels like that's ripped from the pages of his own life, but sure.
00:35:14
Speaker
So the chorus simply is you saw my blinker bitch. And he says he he says ass, which like the most you ever got out of the Fresh Prince was hell. He'd have a hell of maybe a damn. Right. Just every once in a while. Those are very, you know, very non offensive. You get a couple of those in there, whatever.
00:35:37
Speaker
You see those on primetime sitcoms in the 90s. Yeah, whatever. But he's saying shit and ass. And and there's one lyric where he's talking about he's in court and he's getting smart with the the judge. And he says to the bailiff grab me, slay me on the ground. Judge said, boy, you better calm down. Aren't you one of them damn rap singers? Yeah. And then I gave him the finger.
00:36:03
Speaker
He's so tough in this song. You got to hear it, dude. It's great. I love it. It's amazing that Will Smith went from the rapper who doesn't cuss to get my wife's name out your fucking mouth. Well, people who are paying attention saw him and bad boys and. There's this he's like every other words is the F word in that when I say the F word, it's the F word, Stephen, the F word. Gosh, fucking darn it, Steve.
00:36:39
Speaker
He liked to say the F word. He liked to say the F word a lot. Yeah, man. Will Smith, man. Get his wife's name out your fucking mouth. My man. My man. But, but, but, but, but.
00:36:57
Speaker
Yeah, ma'am. We talk about the plot, you think? Let's let's probably do the plot. Yeah. So this is the segment of the show. We call the plot in 60 seconds. This is where one of us at the behest of the Canadian quarter of indifference, which Tucker will give a flip here momentarily. I will call it in the air and we will decide which of us will be recounting the plot of 1968's Barbarella in 60 seconds or less. Tucker, give that a flip arena.
00:37:24
Speaker
And you're going to call it in the air, eh? I am, eh? OK, here we go. And let's call heads.
00:37:31
Speaker
It is tails. Fuck me running. OK, boom, boom, boom, boom. I'm so glad because I don't really know what happens. This is such a vignette movie. The plot is almost an afterthought. I'm going to stick to the main plot of this movie. Yeah. But yeah. So you go ahead and put 60 seconds on the clock.
Summary of 'Barbarella's' Plot
00:37:49
Speaker
Yeah. Give me the 30 and 10 second warnings and I will go ahead and recount the plot of ba ba ba ba. Wowzers. OK, so we're doing one.
00:38:02
Speaker
Oh, that that is a minute right there. OK, go, Stephen. Oh, shit. So it's the 40 something hundreds, 4000 A.D. And Barbara is an earth woman in space and like just she's naked all the time and no one cares. And because sex is not really a thing that happens, except she crash lands on a planet in exchange for helping her fix her ship. The dude wants to have sex. And so she has sex for the first time and finds out it's really awesome.
00:38:30
Speaker
So she gets off the planet and goes to another planet and meets an angel dude and has sex with him to get him to fly. And so he flies. 30 seconds. She's trying to find this guy named Duran Duran, who's hungry like the wolf for causing some mass destruction. So she gets the other planet. The angel guy flies her into the city. She meets the tyrant queen of the world.
00:38:50
Speaker
And, uh, it turns out that Duran Duran is actually her concierge and he has a plan to kill her and take over the planet with his positronic Ray, uh, except that Barbarella and the queen team up and release the monster that defeats on evil. And it destroys the planet, except for Barbarella, the angel and the queen who fly off to live another day. Your time is over. Well done. Thank you.
00:39:17
Speaker
Well, there's also a bunch of ladies sitting around smoking hookah with like a dude like in the hookah pipe. They're just like rolling around. They're just smoking to do the like essence of man. Check it out. Essence of dude. Essence of dude like and just Barbara just like he's totally going to return to that planet where the the hair with a weirdly hairy dude is except he's only hairy from like here down like he's so hairy.
00:39:41
Speaker
It's but it's it's clearly fake hair like because it like starts at his collarbone and just goes straight down like nothing on his shoulders, nothing on his back. It's just like from his collarbone down. But yeah. Well, the type of dude that he is, though, I feel like he would kind of have to be that hairy. That's why they did that. Sure. Because he's kind of a burly dude. Yeah.
00:40:05
Speaker
But we should also point out this is the first ever speaking role for like famed French my Marcel Marceau. And you wouldn't know it because he's fantastic. No, he's so good. Like and to hear him talk about it like he really enjoyed it, but it was difficult for him. He's like, I didn't have trouble learning the lines. It was just redirecting my form of expression from or here's the quote.
00:40:33
Speaker
He said, I did not forget the lines, but I have trouble organizing them. It's a different way of making what's inside come out. It goes from the brain to the vocal cords and not directly to the body, which is such an interesting way of thinking about that. Like being as his preferred method of performance is totally physical. Like the verbal aspect has got to be a completely new way of doing it. But he fucking kills it. He's so good. He is good.
00:41:00
Speaker
And I'm not gonna lie, I am was really afraid that when I heard Professor Ping, we were going to get like some really gross yellow face and they avoid that mercifully they avoid that. So he's just he's just a dude. He's got a little thing. Like a
00:41:18
Speaker
What do you call that? Not a microscope, but like with the detectives have magnifying glass, like a magnifying glass. But he puts it on his forehead. Mm hmm. Not in his eye. No, not at all. Because that would make it on there. But I don't know. It's just but again, it's the production design and the world building of this thing is so well realized and so interesting. It's it's wild like the the planet with the creepy kids.
00:41:50
Speaker
Yeah, like where she meets the big hairy dude. Like those dolls, man, that that takes a turn there for a minute. You're like, it's done. Everybody calm down. This movie is fucking insane. And it's again, it's like it's almost like an anthology film in which Barbarella is just like the character that pops from like anthology to anthology. She's like, she's just having all these wacky adventures, like adventures of Barbarella. Exactly. You can absolutely see how this thing would be very easy to sequelize.
00:42:19
Speaker
And it feels like they're taking like several conceits or like stories from the comics and just like putting them, like smashing a bunch of them together and calling it a movie, which is kind of interesting, like the way that it and I've not actually read any of the Barbarella comics, but apparently like Piger and Professor Ping are both characters from the comics.
Attempts at 'Barbarella' Sequels and Remakes
00:42:47
Speaker
as is the the Black Queen. Like they've they've got several and there are probably several other characters that would have shown up in any sequels that they made. And to be clear, De Laurentiis wanted to make a sequel to this movie. Oh, yeah. Who wouldn't like they were they were ready to do it like it was. And it's not even that this movie made money really didn't. But like they they were also in the concept that you know about the concept that they had.
00:43:18
Speaker
No, I do not. It was called Barbarella Goes Down. Oh, I do know that title. Yeah. And it was supposed to be like a set of wacky underwater adventures with Barbarella. Well, that would have been fun. Visually fun. Yeah.
00:43:36
Speaker
There could have been some cool stuff. And one idea De Laurentiis had was to have it star Fonda's daughter who was born the year this movie came out, which is weird. Well, no, that's see, you're getting confused there because that was the story that he wanted to go with directly after the first one was made. But when they were trying to do the sequel in the 90s, oh, OK, wanted Richard Fonda. Well, that's not Fonda's daughter, though.
00:44:05
Speaker
That's Peter's daughter, not Jane's. Well then, who are you talking about? Her daughter Vanessa, Vanessa Vadim. Oh yeah, I don't know who that is. That's her daughter with Roger Vadim. Yeah, but probably Bridget Fonda though.
00:44:21
Speaker
I mean, that would have made more sense in the 90s for sure. Yeah. But you're right. Yeah. In 90s, they they were like, let's let's re let's revamp it. But yeah, it never very more was attached at one point, I think. In the 2000s, they were going to do it with Rose McGowan. They were going to do a remake with Rose McGowan. Robert Rodriguez was supposed to direct it.
00:44:42
Speaker
Um, and it would have started Rose McGowan as Barbarella, but universal when, when he's like, I need 80, 80 million to do it. Universal was like, Hmm, we're good. Peace out. And so we found another company that would do it, but they would have like, it would have required a lot of time away from his family. Cause they were in Germany, they would have given him 70 million. And he's like, ah, no thanks. And so it just kind of like fell apart after that. But yeah.
00:45:09
Speaker
And then they've been talking about hometown boy. He is. They've been talking about doing a TV series.
Societal Attitudes Towards Sex in Film
00:45:16
Speaker
since 2012. So and I mean, they're still talking about it like Sidney Sweeney from Euphoria is supposed to be attached as Barbarella, which should be great. I just I don't know. I like this movie, but it kind of feels like lightning in a bottle, you know, I don't think. And it's one of those things I don't know how well it's going to hold up today because I mean, we now live in this society where
00:45:41
Speaker
People are just opposed to sex scenes in movies, just full stop like people there. There are legitimately people who say sex has no place in film, to which I say, get the fuck out of here. That's insane. Well, I've I've to a certain extent I've I've I'm not going to say that sex doesn't have a place in film, but I think all too often. Sometimes the sex scene can ruin the tone. Of a film.
00:46:11
Speaker
Like there's some movies like The Hustler, like if they made The Hustler today, you'd probably get like a full on sex scene and it just wouldn't, it just wouldn't work.
00:46:21
Speaker
But I would say I would say the majority of the time, all you have to do is imply it. There are some situations where I think within the context of the film, a actual sex scene and sometimes a rather graphic one is necessary and fits the plot. But most of the time when you get those kind of sex scenes, they don't need to fucking be there most of the time. I think that is a fault of the filmmaker rather than
00:46:49
Speaker
Anything like the the the screenwriter the filmmaker needing to understand and I mean I just got done listening to the you must remember this series on the erotic 90s Karina Longworth did this like Two year series on the erotic films of the 80s and the 90s, which is like wild things basic instinct The strip tease
00:47:11
Speaker
True Jade girls show girls show girls. Yes, like all of us poison ivy. Mm hmm. With little Alicia Silverstone. Mm hmm. And the poison ivy that was your Barrymore. Same thing. But like it's that like the erotic thriller used to be a thing like sex used to be a part of films. And ever since the the the.
00:47:40
Speaker
Really? I think the one that killed it was Eyes Wide Shut, kind of killed the erotic thriller. And I fucking love Eyes Wide Shut. I absolutely stan that movie. It is amazing. It's a fucking phenomenal film. But like that, that is the last film that really was allowed to be an erotic movie. And then once once 9-11 hits,
00:48:12
Speaker
And the kind of the wave of American patriotism followed by the wave of American conservatism that's kind of had a choke hold on society for the last 20 years. It just doesn't happen anymore. Like that's just not a thing that exists in movies. It still happens, but like it's an outlier when it does.
Shift of Sex Scenes to Prestige TV
00:48:31
Speaker
that that's not like there aren't movies specifically with like sex as a backbone. And I think the proliferation of Internet porn probably has a lot to do with that, too. Yeah, it's not it's not taboo anymore. You can see anything like that because like that's what
00:48:52
Speaker
a good sex scene is. And like I say, my stance is I'm not against sex in films, but I think 90% of the time it's not necessary. But like when it is necessary and it does service the story, like titillation is part of that.
00:49:09
Speaker
Yeah, necessarily. Way fucking part of that, yeah. You're supposed to be a little like, oh, well, well, I never, you know? Right. You're supposed to get uncomfortable when you watch it with your mom, you know? Exactly, and you should be watching that with your mom. Probably Eyes Wide Shut, yeah, that's a family film. That's a fucking Christmas movie, Eyes Wide Shut. Grandma drives up from Arlington, watch it with us, it's amazing. Well, yeah.
00:49:34
Speaker
But I mean, that that is like, but and again, I like put normalized sex in movies. That's that's what I say. But like, and I mean, nowadays, that kind of stuff is limited to like.
00:49:48
Speaker
prestige TV shit like euphoria. You can have sex scenes in there. You know, nudity in like stuff like Big Little Lies or what have you. Like you can get some of that there. But it's almost never in movies because the only movies that get made are PG 13 blockbusters. And there's no room for nudity in those. There's no room for any kind of romance whatsoever in those most of the time.
00:50:10
Speaker
I think for me, how they've really shot themselves in the foot with this is that everybody's so against it that now you have to have a show like Euphoria that is 90% sex scenes. For me, a good sex scene serves its purpose. It's 90% drug use and 10% sex scenes. It can really slow a narrative down if you don't use it right.
00:50:35
Speaker
like it can really slow a narrative down especially like we said before like there's no real titillation anymore so like you don't even have that you're just yawning through that shit most modern movies that have sex scenes or tv shows i'm just like oh well i'm gonna be bored for at least 30 seconds let's see what's going on my phone like i'm not uncomfortable it doesn't make me uncomfortable not approved
00:50:55
Speaker
I just it's boring. It's boring most of the time. And see, I think it depends on the context, but also I can say when it's done right. Fuck, yeah, I'm into it. But but but I'm also not. Again, it happens so rarely anymore that I just want to see it at all. Like I don't care how well it's used. But I mean, you say it like slows the movie to a crawl. Like movies are four hours long these days, like and movies could stand to be shorter. So like, well, it
00:51:24
Speaker
If a sex scene is what's slowing down the movie as opposed to like needless dialogue, sure. It can affect the pacing for sure. Not in this movie. This movie, everything else affects the pace. Yeah, absolutely. It is the if they have the opposite problem. Yeah. And there's no real sex.
00:51:48
Speaker
in this movie, it's all implied and off screen. And again, usually cut away and then cut back to Jane Fonda humming her own theme song. Like that's typically how the sex scenes in this movie work. You do get a lot of Jane Fonda naked, but you don't really have any sex scenes outside of the excessive machine.
Effective Use of Sex Scenes in Storytelling
00:52:09
Speaker
You know what sets the bar for sex scenes for me? What's that?
00:52:14
Speaker
Have you seen an officer and a gentleman, Stephen? Mm hmm. I have not. I've heard of it. As a junior and Richard Gere. Debra Winger, right? Yeah. And the guy who plays the detective on the TV remake of Carrie. That movie is the kind of movie that the sex scenes service, the story they're done in a very realistic way.
00:52:44
Speaker
and
00:52:46
Speaker
I mean, it's it's kind of part of the I don't want to say the heart of the film, but it's part of the emotional through way of the film, like the emotional vein of the film that's going through that movie lives and dies in those sex scenes. And that's what I mean, like a sex scene here and there, whatever. But if you're not doing it an officer and a gentleman way, if it's not servicing the story, if it's not making me feel something outside of being bored,
00:53:18
Speaker
Like, I'm not interested and I am of a mind that, you know, um, now and since the beginning of time, 90%, well, I will say 75% of sex scenes are just there to be there and they're boring and stupid and who gives a shit.
Tradition of Sex Scenes in Slasher Films
00:53:41
Speaker
I'm saying I'm not against it. I'm just I'm a purist. So it comes to sex scenes. I'm a fucking guest. I guess. And I'm not that precious about it. So well, and it depends on the type of movie, too. I'll watch a slasher. Yeah, everybody. Fuck. That's great. Like that's part of the whole part of the whole thing. That's another thing. Like that's used. Well, slasher movies, that's part of it. If I don't see some people fucking, I'm going to be mad. That's always been a part of the slasher formula, though. Yeah.
00:54:06
Speaker
Like that. And again, that's part of the and we talked about this on our our first My Bloody Valentine episode when Mike Sununian came in many moons ago to talk about that original movie is like.
00:54:22
Speaker
Yeah, it was. I thought so, too. But, you know, when you're a teenager and growing up around that time, a horror movie is a cheap date that you can go to and you can you can see some some nudity and you can like see some people that it's a transgressed. It was in and of itself a transgressive act.
00:54:41
Speaker
and its own kind of act of rebellion. And yeah, it's part of the formula. It's baked into the cake of the thing. Even in something like My Bloody Valentine, where there's not a lot of nudity, like there's outside of the opening scene, I don't think there's any. But like, sex is still baked into the cake of the thing. Like Halloween, I think,
00:55:00
Speaker
One character takes her shirt off, but you know the others are flirting and sexing and smoking pot and all sorts of shit like Friday the 13th ever ever once fucking in Friday the 13th like that's just what I mean But that becomes Friday the 13th kind of learns the wrong lessons from Halloween and then takes those To their to their extreme and that becomes the norm of the genre
00:55:23
Speaker
Well, it pretty much gives you everything that Halloween held back on. And for for reasons of tone and pacing, you know, and the kind of movie that it was Friday the 13th was like, well, we're not that artsy fartsy. We're just going to fucking show a bunch of naked people and they're all going to get killed very graphically. It's going to be wonderful. And I think someone involved with the movie, I think it might have been Sean Cunningham.
00:55:49
Speaker
was like a porn producer. So like that was kind of what he knew.
Sean Cunningham's Filmmaking Career
00:55:55
Speaker
And so this was kind of his shot at legitimacy. And he took it and made a mint. Sean is an interesting dude. Take a look at his filmography when you get a chance, because you can't pin that boy down. He does everything like people are like, oh, she has coming him fucking Friday 13th.
00:56:16
Speaker
Yeah, but he's just a normal movie producer. He does not give favor to horror. Like he just does whatever is clever. You know, he did. He produced Bob Balaban's second directorial effort. My boyfriend's back. You do love you some Bob Balaban. I do love those first two films that he made. I really, really do. But I mean, he also was the producer of the original West Craven Last House on the Left.
00:56:46
Speaker
all of the House movies, all of the Friday the 13th movies, future episode of this podcast, Deep Star Six. Like, he's got quite a resume on him in terms of being a producer. So yeah, I mean, dude has a history and good for him, man. Yeah, dude. He's a writer too, you know, he does some writing.
00:57:15
Speaker
Yeah, it's, you know, again, don't don't pin him down. He's vast. He contains multitudes and that's OK. He's just he's just a dude making movies, man. Mm hmm. Just a dude, but he didn't make this movie. No, sure didn't know that make Barbarella. Roger Vadim made this movie, you know, a bordino produces. Yeah, my boy Dino. And this is the third Dino De Laurentiis sci fi movie that we've discussed on this podcast.
00:57:46
Speaker
And the first one we've actually not had a guess for. We've actually done Dune with our friend Hope Lickner, the epic. The David Lynch one. That was Dino De Laurentiis. Yeah. That was Dino. And Flash Gordon, which we talked about with our friend James McCormick. That was also another Dino sci-fi film. So this is kind of the third Dino De Laurentiis sci-fi movie, our unofficial Dino De Laurentiis sci-fi trilogy on this podcast. And this is his earliest one.
00:58:11
Speaker
of those. So I just thought that was kind of cool. I was looking at some of the other stuff that he was involved with. And I'm like, we've covered some of these. This is awesome. So, yeah.
Dino De Laurentiis' Influence on Sci-Fi Films
00:58:21
Speaker
And, you know, to fans of the podcast, which tend to overwhelmingly be horror fans, he also probably because we come for like a lot of people come to us from POD in the pendulum. So, hey, thank you.
00:58:35
Speaker
He produced Evil Dead 2 and Army Darkness. Correct. Which I would argue are the two best films in that franchise, but. Look, all three of them are so different. I love them equally. I love them all, but not equally.
00:58:57
Speaker
Wow, because Evil Dead is so different than the other two, man. I know. It's not silly. It's fucked up and awful and I love it. And again, I'm not saying I don't enjoy it. I do. I just I don't enjoy it. It doesn't hit me as much as the other two do.
00:59:14
Speaker
Well, for me, they all hit the same just in different ways. And that's what I think is beautiful about that trilogy. Like I was saying earlier about the cardigans, like that trilogy, it's three different movies in the same franchise, you know, three completely different genres, honestly. Right. And I mean, and then you get the other films in that franchise that kind of go back and try to do what the first one was doing. But like that's
Evil Dead Franchise Spinoffs
00:59:42
Speaker
Well, you've got that, but you've got Ash versus Evil Dead, which scratches the Evil Dead 2 Army of Darkness kind of tone. Yeah. Although it's not allowed to reference Army of Darkness because of rights issues, but yes. But we all know what happened.
00:59:57
Speaker
Yeah, for some reason, you know, for some people, including our good friend Brett Wright, that that's a non starter is not not being able to reference Army of Darkness, because our boys big on on Lauren continuity, apparently. So I understand that. But that show, for what it was, was pretty damn special. No, it was fun. It was fun as hell. I loved it.
01:00:18
Speaker
And I love the way that they ended it when he came out that dude's butt that one time. Mm-hmm. Holy shit. Yeah literal shit Yes, came right out that dude's butt. You get Ted Raimi in there. Yeah, fucking ash
01:00:34
Speaker
Fucking puppet. Ash is great. Ashley, she's flashy. Yeah, you'll love it. You'll love to see it. You're really. I love I love the two new main characters to his little sidekick people. I love what they add to it. Plus, like how they both kind of weave in and out of possession, you know, and.
01:00:52
Speaker
I like I like those characters a lot. I'd really I'd love to have I would love for stars to do a just a TV movie special of an Ash versus Evil Dead TV movie special. I just want I just want to know what happened to what's his nuts and homegirl. I just want more of them just like wrap their shit up. Well, maybe they'll show up in one of the one of the upcoming movies if they keep doing more Evil Dead movies, maybe they'll show up in one of those.
01:01:20
Speaker
That would be nice. They, uh, their likenesses and voices were used in the Evil Dead game that came out recently. They are playable characters in that.
Influence of 'Dead by Daylight' on Horror Games
01:01:29
Speaker
I heard they also brought in our girl from the, uh, the first Evil Dead remake, see our previous episode on that. Yeah, dude. That was all I wanted was, was for them to, for them to bring her in and I'm glad they did. But I never played that game because Dead by Dawn exists.
01:01:46
Speaker
You know about this, Steven? You heard about this? You seen this? You heard about this? Dead by Dawn. Yeah, I'm familiar. Yeah. So but but the whole thing about Dead by Dawn is Dead by Dawn happens. Right. And after they license all every character you could think of from any franchise that you could possibly think of. Right. Every character, every horror franchise after that goes and makes their own
01:02:14
Speaker
Dead by Daylight game, right? Exact same game just focused on that franchise. You've got Friday, the 13th, the game, which is the same thing you can either play as Jason or the survivors. You've got Evil Dead, the game, which is the same thing you can either play as the good guys or deadites.
'Barbarella's' Surprising PG Rating
01:02:33
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And now we're about to have, well, we just got Texas Chainsaw Massacre, the game, which is the exact fucking same thing. And guess what's next, Stephen? Guess what's next? Nightmare on Elm Street. Killer Clowns from Outer Space. Oh, I would never have guessed that, but that's awesome. I'm actually kind of interested in that one. Just because it's fucking Killer Clowns, dude. Future episode of this podcast, Killer Clowns from Outer Space. Future PG film.
01:02:59
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Which also, speaking of PG films, to bring it back to Barbarella, when this was re-released on VHS, it was rated PG. And that's when I saw it on HBO, because back in those days, you had to look in the newspaper for the TV schedule, much like your movie times. And on the newspaper, it said Barbarella was PG.
01:03:25
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And after that first scene, I was like, Pete, how the fuck is this PG titties everywhere, man? What's going on?
Documentary on MPAA's Film Rating Practices
01:03:30
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That's the that is a weird thing, is that you used to be able to show titties in a PG 13 movie or in a movie, something that has not been confirmed in any official capacity, but something I heard.
01:03:46
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before the internet, which is how you learn things. People told you things or you read it in a book was that how they got away with that is well, no, that doesn't make sense because she's not an alien. No, because, you know, a lot of species didn't get an X because like she's an alien technically. Sure.
01:04:09
Speaker
Which is stupid. The MPA is so fucking stupid. Did you ever see that movie that was about the MPA, that documentary? I think it's called, is it called the F word? I don't think I have. No, it sounds interesting, though. I would check it out. No, that's not it. What the fuck was that called? I have to look it up because it's amazing because it's kind of a sketchy
01:04:35
Speaker
organization. This film is not yet rated is what it's called. Oh, I have heard of it. That was an IFC documentary, right? Yes, it was. Oh, yes, it was. Okay, I'm familiar with it. I've not actually seen it though. I'm gonna check just watch here because you need to look at it. Like I wouldn't put it all the way on top of your list. But like priority is like code orange probably on that one. Okay.
01:05:03
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It's really good. Like it's a great like documentary, but also it's kind of investigative journalism. And it gets it gets a little wild, man. Like I said, they're shady as fuck, dude.
01:05:19
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Oh, for sure. No, absolutely.
Alan Moore's Comic Series 'League of Extraordinary Gentlemen'
01:05:21
Speaker
As fuck. I don't see it anywhere streaming. I'll find it at some point and I'll send you a link or whatever. Anybody who that sounds interested to that's listening right now, it has my recommendation. It's it's great. It's a wonderful watch. It's a well made documentary and it's interesting. So right on. No, I'm super interested in that, actually. So. Yeah, I would absolutely check that out.
01:05:49
Speaker
Yeah, dude. It's not on YouTube. That sucks. I'll find it. You will. If anyone can find it, it's you. It's me. I'm the guy. I find stuff. It's you. Hi. You're the problem. It's you. Hi. I'm the guy. It's me. I'm the dude.
01:06:09
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Uh, so what else, what else we got to say about this movie, Steven? I don't know, man. I just, I dig the aesthetic of it. Like there are things that I don't like that kind of fall a little flat. Like again, the pacing's kind of rough. Like it, as you mentioned at this top, it, it gets kind of boring in places. The, the lasciviousness with which everyone treats Barbarella's gets kind of a little tiresome toward the end. Like every, every guy that sees her wants to fuck her, which I mean,
01:06:35
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I mean, I get it. It's Jane Fonda. She's gorgeous. But like narratively, that's kind of boring. I think Jane Fonda would be boring. I mean, just the way her character is written and the way she reacts to it. That's that's kind of the thing that sort of like puts out the fire of this movie. This movie could be on fire. But what puts it out is she's just she's just so sweet and wholesome about it.
01:07:02
Speaker
Like these dudes are like, Oh, you want to fuck? And she's like, yeah, actually I do. Let's, can we go do that right now? And then when she actually, when she actually fucks for the first time, she's like, Oh, this is great.
01:07:14
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This is rad, and I like this. Let's what a wonderful thing we've just done. Yeah, exactly. Let's and in fact, she gets really upset with the character named Dildano when he suggests that they do it the regular way. Dude, dildos in his name is dildo dildo, but yeah.
01:07:35
Speaker
He's he's in a lot of shit, too, man. Check out that guy's filmography. Holy crap. Oh, my God. Like this. There's some some pretty solid performers in here.
01:07:46
Speaker
Um, let me see, we've got so, uh, initially before Jane Fonda, Vadim approached his ex-wife, Bridget Bardot. Uh, she didn't want to do another sexualized role, uh, which I don't blame her and Sophia Lauren, who was pregnant. Uh, so she couldn't really take the role. Um, most of the rest of the cast were, um,
01:08:09
Speaker
recommended by someone involved with the production. I think Fonda recommends John Philip Law who plays Pygar because they had worked together. Yeah. And he was a big comics fan so he like read all the comic books before he got into it. Anita Pallenberg was recommended by
01:08:32
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one of the one of the writers, Terry Southern, because they had worked together on the Clockwork Orange. She was then girlfriend of Brian Jones, the member of the Rolling Stones who would die the following year by one of the early members of the Twenty Seven Club. He was the rhythm guitarist for Rolling Stones, the original rhythm guitarist. And he died in a pool, didn't he? Didn't he drown? Yep.
01:08:57
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Dinapool 1969. You want to know how I know that? Because you have the Internet. Well, he there's an analog of that character in a chapter of Alan Moore's third volume of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen called League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Century. And the second the second of three parts of that takes place in 1969. And it begins with the death of the Brian Jones analog.
01:09:25
Speaker
Yo, I thought I had I thought I had read all the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen shit. So that doesn't sound familiar. When did that come out? Volume three. I mean, have you. I read the second one for dude fucking four volumes and there's a fucking Captain Nemo miniseries. Next, you're going to tell me there was a movie made in the early 2000s with Sean Connery. I mean, we don't talk about that.
01:09:51
Speaker
Well, actually we did talk about that. Yeah, you did. We did. That's a Van Helsing type movie. I recognize that it's not great, but I just cannot get over how awesome the whole movie looks. In the early 2000s, late 90s, it really hits that spot.
01:10:10
Speaker
That that's where Brett lands on it, whereas I, the guy who's read the comics is like, I can't I can't sanction this buffoon. I actually like I fucking I fucking love the comics and they are sacred. But also, yeah, bring on the buffoonery because I want to know that production design and that that early CGI is just perfect for that. Can I tell you, Tucker, who the main villain is of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen volume four? Can I tell you who it is? It's not fucking Moriarty again, is it? No, he's dead.
01:10:41
Speaker
He died at the end of volume one. Spoiler alert, if you don't want to know about League of Extraordinary Gentlemen volume four, skip ahead five seconds. It's James Bond. Oh, I like that. It's so good, dude. It's so good. Like the third one takes place in the 60s, though. Who's the third one? OK, so the third one is called Century. So the third volume takes place in it right now. The first chapter is 1910. Second chapter is 1969. Third chapter is 2009.
01:11:10
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So it takes place over the course of a hundred years. I like that. And the main villain, I'm not even going to tell you who the main villain of the third part is because it's it's the most fun reveal. But
01:11:25
Speaker
And that actually between volumes two and three, there was a one shot, like hardcover release called the black dossier, which has a ton of lore in it. Okay. So you've read that one. So then you need to read volume three. Then you need to read the Nemo trilogy.
01:11:42
Speaker
which that follows Nemo's daughter from the first issue of League Vol. 3. Ne-Met, I believe, is her official name in canon. No, it's Captain Nemo still.
01:11:56
Speaker
And the first one of those takes place in that one. The first one is riffing on in the Mountains of Madness at the Mountains of Madness. The. Oh, nice. Yeah. The Lovecraft story. Yeah. It also references junk carpenters, the thing. Well, what's the century 1910? That's the first volume of that's the first part of volume three. OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK. I see black dust. Yay.
01:12:21
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The Nemo trilogy is Hearts of Ice. The second one is Roses of Berlin, I think. And that's the one that takes place during World War Two, where they fight Adnoid Hinkle, who's the the character from The Great Dictator, who's the the Hitler analog and the extraordinary gentleman fighting Charlie Chaplin. That's hilarious.
01:12:43
Speaker
And then the third one is like it riffs on like the boys from Brazil and the Stepford wives. Uh, you got like some of the creatures from the black lagoon in there. Like it's fucking rad as hell, dude. You know who I bet has all of these and trade paperback. Me.
01:13:01
Speaker
my brother-in-law and I'll bet he'd let me borrow them he probably would you should you should text him and ask him but no I highly recommend everyone go out and read all of Alan Moore's league extraordinaire gentlemen it starts off as a hey what if the Victorian era had its own Justice League and by the end it's an entire treatise on this modern state of fiction well it's such a kind of insane
01:13:21
Speaker
It's such a fun idea. And at the time, it was such a unique idea because it's not just like Justice League, where you've got DC heroes and they form a team. No, these are just like all classic literary characters from all the way back. You've got Alan Quartermain. You've got from out the Alan Quartermain series, you've got Nina Harker from fucking Dracula, Nina. But yeah.
01:13:47
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You've got Captain Nemo from, you know, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. The Invisible Man, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, Dorian motherfucking Gray. He's not actually in the book.
01:14:05
Speaker
He's not. I could have sworn he was in that. He doesn't show up for just like a second. There's not even a cameo. There is a painting in the British Museum of a very hideously ugly man. And it's marked as under as under renovation or under restoration. But that is the that it is a blink and you miss it picture on my.
01:14:25
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I would I would have noticed if that's probably what I'm thinking of I do know he has a pretty big part in the movie and that's as much as I love the movie the two things that they wasted were the characters that they added because
01:14:39
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It's a great idea to add them. They just fucked it up because Dorian Gray. Holy shit. That's amazing. That kind of been so rad. When they told and I said I remember mentioning this on our LXG episode when Alan Moore found out that they added Dorian Gray's like what's his power being pretty like.
01:14:59
Speaker
I don't know, man, I think you could do something with it, man. And Tom Sawyer, I kind of like I don't like how they shoehorned him in and then he did nothing the entire time. But that's a good idea, too. Like in future volumes like in 1910, they add Thomas Carnegie, AJ Raffles and Orlando.
01:15:23
Speaker
Um, and then in 69, it's just Orlando quarter main and Mina. And then at the end of, um, at the end of the third part of century, they add in a few other characters. Um, that I will not mention because that's part of the surprise of the book is who they add, but yeah. Did I give the full original lineup?
Personal History with Performances
01:15:46
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You did. Yeah, it's just those five. I'm looking at the cover right here. Yeah. Yep. Visible man, Nemo. Mina. Did you think I said Nina? Yeah, because I definitely said Mina. Bitch, I was in Dracula. Get out of town. I thought you said Nina. Sorry. I don't know, man. Play it back.
01:16:10
Speaker
There are certain groups of people that I'm famous for my Renfield performance, mainly me and me. There are still people who talk about the time I played Amos Hart in our Broadway review in college. So is there a video of it? Can I see it? There is a video of it. I do not have it. No, you can't see it. But what if I saw it, though?
01:16:35
Speaker
I don't want you to see it. Just what if? I don't want anyone to see it. Damn it. All right. Well, but no, like I went to like my friend, Annika's funeral and like her stepmom was like, oh, it's Mr. Cellophane. And I was like, oh, yeah, you told me that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:16:54
Speaker
And like my partner and I knew each other in college. So when like when we went to see her parents, her parents are like, we have that video. Let's play it. And I was like, we don't need to do that at all. Like, you know, did you do it anyway, though? Did you look? No, we did not. Well, they did. They did play a video of my partner singing a duet with one of my friends from college, though. So that was. And that was cool, right? Yeah. I'm waiting to
'Barbarella's' Cult Following and Ratings
01:17:22
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that.
01:17:22
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Uh, but yeah, Barbarella comes out October 10th or no, I'm sorry, October. No, October 10th. I had her at the first time, October 10th, 1968. Uh, it opens, it doesn't open at number one at the box office. Uh, number one in the box office that weekend is Rachel Rachel.
01:17:41
Speaker
Uh, but it is, uh, by the, by the following weekend, the 16th, it is number one at the box office. Of course I can't find the full box office readout because it's a sixties movie and those anything before 1980 is pretty damn near impossible to find. Um.
01:17:59
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to find there. It is, in terms of the highest grossing films of 1968, it doesn't crack the top 28, I don't think. I'm looking here. No, it does not. That movie makes, well, it would have had to have, because it definitely made more than Dr. Faustus. Anyway, doesn't matter. The movie makes about $2.5 million on a budget of about nine.
01:18:25
Speaker
Um, so not a big money maker again, Dino wanted to make a, um, wanted to make a sequel to it. Um, but ultimately that fell through. Um, but yeah, so I don't have the full box office, unfortunately. Um, but it is, uh, it definitely did not do as well as they wanted it to. Unfortunately.
01:18:52
Speaker
Well, that's too bad. It serves a little more than that. It's kind of a bummer. But yeah, it was number one. It has developed a following, though. I mean, people love this fucking movie. It is. They it definitely has its own cult following for sure. Let me actually let me check something out here real quick on me. Well, you know, because you're checking it out, I would need you to look. So but you're already doing a thing. So that would be silly. Well, I was going to see if I could find
01:19:23
Speaker
the the box office i'm having a i'm having a rough time finding the box office here i don't know if you're gonna find it i don't think i am you're gonna try real hard but i think you're gonna come up and be empty handed i had a dream yeah well yeah well i would love to be able to find it man i would love for you to be able to find it but like i say i think it's a fool's errand steven you're probably right here
01:19:51
Speaker
I don't think you're gonna come up with anything I don't think and I don't want to have to edit this out so I'm kind of trying to fill this space so I wonder how close you are to giving up
01:20:08
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I've given up. All right. Nice. All right. So the Tomatoma score on this movie is a 74 percent. The critics consensus unevenly paced and thoroughly cheesy. Barbarella is nonetheless full of humor, entertaining visuals and Jane Fonda's sex appeal. Boy, howdy is it ever agree? Metascore on this one is a 51 with mixed or average reviews from 13 critics. And the letterbox score is.
01:20:36
Speaker
A 3.2, Tucker out of five possible stars. How are you rating 1968's Barbarella? I'm gonna give it a three stars. I also... Sorry, go ahead. I also gave it three stars.
01:21:00
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Wonderful. Yeah, it's it's totally a three star movie. Like, yeah, it's a solid three stars. It's the epitome of a three star movie like it is. But that's not a bad thing. It's a fucking little gem. Like it's it's a it's a fun little movie. I like it. Like I had a good time with it. I'm not going to say you shouldn't watch this because you totally should. Like it's fun. It's sexy. It's silly. It's goofy. It's it is. It is. Again, it's thoroughly camp.
01:21:28
Speaker
Like this is also textbook definition of camp. It's I would also describe it as a midnight movie. So like the more people you see it with, the better you're going to have a good time. Yeah, good time. Yeah, it's this is like, yeah, this is a movie. This is the kind of movie I think the perfect viewing experience might be like a drive through or a drive in rather. Yeah, like a drive in theater. That would be like, what would you put as a double bill for this one? Well, if it's right here and right now,
01:21:58
Speaker
It would be. CQ. See what I mean? It's Barbarella without being Barbarella. You see what I mean, right? Based on based only on the cover of that movie that you're showing me. Yeah, I do. I do get that. I'm picking up. It's about the making of a film that's very similar to Barbarella. OK.
01:22:19
Speaker
I'll come and couple a dude get it. Yeah, that would be a good double feature. I would do Barbarella first and then Mm hmm. Q. I guess another film that I would put with this that has kind of a similar tone with its camp, even though they're nothing alike. I would put this as a double feature with the return of Captain Invincible, which at the end of this month, you will find out why. Sure.
01:22:49
Speaker
Right on. Well, that's pretty rad. Well, that I think is all we have to say about Barbarella. Look, this is the disenfranchised podcast. And if you're listening to us, first of all, if you're new to this episode, welcome. Hopefully we did Barbarella justice for you. And if not, check out some of our other episodes on on movies that you like. Maybe we don't do justice to those either. Maybe we do. Who knows? Not me. Yeah. If you didn't like this episode, just check out more.
01:23:17
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Yeah, exactly.
Promotion of Disenfranchised Podcast
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01:23:31
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01:24:01
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01:24:54
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01:25:24
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01:26:02
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01:26:17
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01:26:46
Speaker
to do a Christmas song, record and release a Christmas song this month because I wrote a tiny bit of a Christmas song a couple of years ago called Christmas Spaghetti. And is it about the spaghetti that Will Ferrell's character makes in the movie Elf? No, it's about the spaghetti I make at Christmas because spaghetti is rad. Oh, it's my Christmas meal. I'll go fuck about no elf.
01:27:15
Speaker
I don't know if I like that. Actually, a lot of people like that movie. I just see it. I see your previous episode on Elf. I don't get it. I don't get it. But now this Christmas spaghetti song is about making spaghetti on Christmas.
Discussion on Christmas Music
01:27:30
Speaker
And I started writing it a couple of years ago and I stopped and then I forgot all about it. And then the other day I was just, you know, sitting on the can like you do.
01:27:40
Speaker
And I'm going through some of my notes and stuff and I found those lyrics and I was like, you know what? Let's punch this up. Let's finish this song. And so I wrote two more verses and called it today and now I'm ready to do it. I'm ready to put it together. Hell yeah. It's called Christmas Spaghetti. It's about eating spaghetti on Christmas because spaghetti is rad and Christmas is rad. I'm just trying to just try to put those two things together. You know, just two rad things hanging out together in the same space.
01:28:06
Speaker
And also I've always wanted to do a Christmas song because Christmas music is, I don't want to say it's my favorite kind of music, but it's such a strange and unique genre. I'm very fascinated by Christmas music and I do love a lot of Christmas music also. You do. You've already started listening to Christmas music, have you not?
01:28:29
Speaker
I have, I start November 1st, though I started November 2nd because I was too tired on November 1st to listen to any Christmas music, but I did listen to Merry Christmas from Brenda Lee by Brenda Lee, which is probably my favorite Christmas record. And the next one up is going to be an old time Christmas by Randy Travis, which is my second favorite Christmas album of all time.
01:28:55
Speaker
And then we'll move on to the Sonny James, this is, and the Diana Ross, this is, this is, and the Julie Andrews, this is, this is. And yeah, there's, there's a lot of Christmas records I'm way into, so. Okay.
01:29:08
Speaker
Even the Bell and Sebastian has a Christmas record and I'm way into it. It's kind of it's kind of one of those things that everybody does and they're either either take themselves too seriously and make just this really serious Christmas record or they don't take themselves seriously enough and just kind of do it because everybody else does it. But literally everyone has a Christmas record. Yeah. I've got a Christmas record. Like, watch out, watch out, because one of these days
01:29:35
Speaker
We're going to get a Rob Zombie Christmas record. It's going to
Rob Zombie's Filmmaking Passion
01:29:38
Speaker
happen. Watch. I'm saying it right now. This is my this is my Criswell predicts. Sometime in the near future, we will have a Rob Zombie Christmas record.
01:29:55
Speaker
Sleigh in the back of my Santa sleigh. I don't know about that, but yeah, dude. Oh, boy, it sure does suck that that monsters movie did not go well for anybody because that's going to suck for Rob Zombie because, you know, like he was probably really excited about that. We can we can probably cover it on this podcast if you want to if you want to do that. Look, I don't.
01:30:26
Speaker
I don't know man because like I like I don't always like Rob Zombie movies but I always like the spirit like the gung-ho spirit he puts into it like it really puts a lot into his movies whether you like them or you don't like the man really puts it all out there you know he really gives a big fat fucking effort every time and it shows for good or for ill it fucking shows
Fred Gwynne's Role in 'The Munsters'
01:30:52
Speaker
And I've only seen two Rob Zombie movies up to this point. So he's not for everyone like Pete Holmes. He's not for everybody. Yeah, he's I don't think he's for me personally. Certainly not. No. And like I say, like I I get why people don't like him. And I'm I'm about 50, 50. I like about half of his movies.
01:31:12
Speaker
But I always appreciate the the effort and the love he puts into everyone. Like he's a passionate filmmaker. He's a passionate artist like all around. And so to hear that he's done something like The Monsters, especially when you know that's something that he's way into and has been probably since as long as he can remember. Yeah, it's all back as he can remember. He said kind of makes me sad. Plus, I also love The Monsters. Fucking Fred Gwynne like a motherfucker, dude.
01:31:41
Speaker
Well, and I think that's part of the problem is Fred Gwynn so good. Like who who can who can compete with Fred Gwynn and Al Lewis, like in Yvonne DiCarlo, like really? I don't know, Stephen. That's what I'm saying. You know, sometimes like some other shows and franchises and stuff, sometimes you just got to let it die. You know, like Fred Gwynn himself said famously, sometimes dad's better. Yep. Sometimes that is better.
01:32:10
Speaker
I want to go down that road. Oh, he's perfect Maine too, because like your main New England accent is not the same as your cousin from Boston. It's not the same. It's not the same in Maine. They don't take out their garbage. They don't do that. That's not how it goes. Not at
Eating Soup from a Mug
01:32:30
Speaker
all. Nope.
01:32:32
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Not even a little bit. Where else can we find you on social media, Tucker? YouTube and where else? I didn't say what my handle was. I'm on the YouTube's and I'm on the Instagram's. And in both of those places, you can find me at Ice 909. That's I C E N I N E. The number zero and the number nine. There's also my famous world famous Instagram page. Tuck mugs.
01:32:55
Speaker
Um, yeah, you know, it's, it's, it's kind of a big deal. We're, we're really getting the numbers. Um, it has been a while since we posted, but I gotta tell you, man, I keep, I want some guest mugs, dude. I want some guest mugs. Get those guest mugs in people. You got, you gotta give them to me because even though it's getting colder, I haven't been drinking a whole lot of coffee.
01:33:19
Speaker
Um, so the next mug that you see may be like a super big size mug where I'm having some soup in it or something. You know, there's your boy like having soup out of mug. We had a whole conversation about that with our waitress at the Lincoln Park or the Lincoln Square pancake house. We sure did soup from a mug.
01:33:41
Speaker
Yeah, that is underscore mugs. Yes. Go there and follow and comment and like all of the posts. And if you're feeling a little bit frisky, if you're trying to get cheeky with your boy, send me a guest post, dude. Like all you got to do is check out the Instagram page. The format's very easy. You look at like two or three posts. You'll be like, OK, I get this and just send me one and we'll just we'll throw it right up there. We'll give you credit. We'll tag you in it like.
01:34:11
Speaker
It's gonna be rad. You wanna do it. I know you want to. Absolutely. You want to. Steven wants to. Like, hey, Steven, if you got another one, holler at your boy. I'm just saying. I've got so many mugs, dude. Like, you have no idea. Yeah, I believe you. Totally believe you, dude. Yeah, but that's me on socials.
Humorous Moment in 'Alan Wake 2'
01:34:29
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Oh, I posted my first real the other day on Instagram. I'd never done that before, but there was a particularly funny section in Alan Wake 2 that I had to share with the world. There's a lot of other media in Alan Wake 2, like radio programs you can listen to, TV shows you can watch, like commercials on TV.
01:34:53
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And in Alan Wake 2, there are some brothers who own a business and they have a lot of commercials. Like every other time you pass by a TV, one of their commercials is on. And in the commercial, the guy says, hey, do you want to, do you want to come drink some beers, hang out with some cool guys and drink some beers? And the guy, the guy says, no.
01:35:18
Speaker
I'm gonna wear a turtleneck and drink wine like an asshole. And it was just really funny to me. So I had to post that and it's really great.
01:35:30
Speaker
and either that didn't strike a chord. Oh, nope, he is not frozen. There we go. Yeah, that's just general humor, Steven. That's not video game related at all. Let's just that's just humor like you've heard of that, right? You heard about this. You seen this? You heard of this? No, I know it's a foreign concept in this, just like your human emotions.
Episode Sign-off with Humor
01:35:47
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I have no context.
01:35:49
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bleep bloop what our emo shiz what is fun why is that human leaking um yeah no i don't know vote steven foxworthy for human president i don't know um
01:36:03
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Hey, that is our episode on 1968's Barbarella. I am your host, Stephen Foxworthy, for my absent co-host Brett Wright and my present co-host Tucker. Until next time, we didn't really talk about it, but the main villain of this movie is called Duran Duran. And that really got me thinking that she's Barbarella and she dances out in space.
01:36:40
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