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A scruffy superhero named Hancock (Will Smith) protects the citizens of Los Angeles but leaves horrendous collateral damage in the wake of every well-intentioned feat. That's OK with Hancock; he doesn't care what people think and is just as likely to be found dozing on a park bench as saving a damsel in distress. However, after saving the life of a PR executive (Jason Bateman) and meeting the man's beautiful wife (Charlize Theron), he realizes that he may have a sensitive side after all.-----------------------------------------------------------------
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Transcript
Introduction to 'Matt Goes to the Movies'
00:00:11
Speaker
What's going on, everyone?
00:00:12
Speaker
Welcome back to Matt Goes to the Movies.
00:00:14
Speaker
We are once again here to talk about another Will Smith hit.
00:00:19
Speaker
And boy...
00:00:22
Speaker
It's just evident again, when you look up some facts for this movies and box office, you know, this again, this was the time of Will Smith.
00:00:33
Speaker
You just could not escape him at the box office.
00:00:37
Speaker
Just unbelievable.
00:00:38
Speaker
But, you know, Rob Harrison, when this came out back in 2008, it was his fifth film to open on the July 4th weekend.
Will Smith's Box Office Dominance
00:00:48
Speaker
It was his most successful opening to date.
00:00:51
Speaker
It was his eighth film in a row to take the top spot in the American and Canadian box office and the 12th film in his career to lead the box office.
00:01:02
Speaker
So like we talked about in the review of Men in Black,
00:01:07
Speaker
You know, this was just a time when he was unstoppable.
00:01:11
Speaker
Now, whether or not this movie is any good and we rate it the same as we have, which Rob, I don't know if you know this.
00:01:19
Speaker
I'll kind of let you chime in here first.
00:01:23
Speaker
We have rated both the movies that we have reviewed for Will Smith here the same score and Harrison has rated both of them the same score.
00:01:33
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't actually realize that.
00:01:35
Speaker
I think this movie kind of caught some people off guard.
00:01:42
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If you think back to when this came out, I think the overall response critically and from a lot of audiences was just kind of, meh.
00:01:50
Speaker
You know, it's not a film that I think you'll find in a lot of people's libraries.
00:01:55
Speaker
It's not a film that you'll probably find a lot of people...
00:01:59
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including their top 10, probably not even in their top 10 Will Smith movies, honestly.
Hancock's Mixed Reviews
00:02:04
Speaker
And I think part of that is just, you know, this hype train was going, going, going, hit after hit after hit.
00:02:11
Speaker
This guy couldn't miss.
00:02:13
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And this film wasn't that.
00:02:17
Speaker
So I think it suffers a little bit from, you know, maybe expectations that it just wasn't going to live up to.
00:02:25
Speaker
This is really only the second time I've
00:02:28
Speaker
realistically seen it the whole way through and i was very curious to go back re-watch it kind of with fresh eyes just unique experience and see how it actually is so i'm excited to kind of talk about what i thought and what you guys thought
00:02:47
Speaker
Yeah, Harrison, what were your initial, before we get into spoilers and really break this thing down, what were your
Anticipation and Revisiting 'Hancock'
00:02:56
Speaker
thoughts?
00:02:56
Speaker
Because this is one that you have or haven't seen.
00:03:01
Speaker
I had not seen this.
00:03:02
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However, this is the movie that I was most aware of, if that makes sense.
00:03:07
Speaker
Not that I wasn't aware of the others, but for some reason, this was a movie that has been recommended to me for a long time, way before the Basin Binge was even an idea in my brain.
00:03:17
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When I was in junior high and high school, or middle school, depending on what part of the state you're from, people had told me to watch Hancock, and I just never have.
00:03:27
Speaker
It was one that I've...
00:03:30
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like multiple times I've almost watched this movie and then just haven't.
00:03:34
Speaker
So especially because one friend in particular, Kelton, who used to be on the base and binge with me, who recommended Edge of Tomorrow, which is a movie that I absolutely adore.
00:03:45
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And he also really likes.
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He was like the main...
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you know, driving force and recommending Hancock to me.
00:03:51
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So I was like, you know, he has good recommendations.
00:03:54
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And that's kind of what I had going in was just that like, for some reason, this was a popular movie that my group of friends when I was growing up really seemed to latch on to.
00:04:05
Speaker
And to have discussions about, like, not just like, oh, it's the best movie ever, but like have really big, lengthy discussions about and not just like fan reaction to, if that makes sense.
00:04:15
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So I don't really know what I was thinking, but I was excited to finally figure out what it was all about.
00:04:20
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Yeah, I mean, if you're going just off of the recommendation from the friend, I mean, you said it yourself, but I mean, you're smitten with Edge of Tomorrow.
00:04:31
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And I certainly, you know, I echo those statements.
00:04:34
Speaker
I think that was a vastly underrated movie when it first came out and got recognition over time.
00:04:40
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But...
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Yeah, I think this one was something that I was eager to get back to because I had certain thoughts on it.
00:04:49
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And I've grown to like some of the actors and actresses that are in this movie more over time.
00:04:56
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Jason Bateman being one of them is a guy that I think is hysterical.
00:05:00
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So I was excited to go back and see him in this.
00:05:03
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And certainly Charlize Theron has been in some things where she's she's kicked ass.
00:05:09
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Yeah.
00:05:10
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00:06:06
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But Rob, as we break this down, I'll get to you first.
Film's Tone and Rating Impact
00:06:12
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You know, I think part of the reason why maybe this movie didn't, I mean, it's still very successful at the box office, especially for its timeframe.
00:06:21
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Critics didn't really like it.
00:06:23
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It was definitely different than what we were getting from Will Smith.
00:06:27
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This definitely tried to take a more serious tone in certain aspects, even getting an R rating twice and having to go back to get it down to a PG-13 rating.
00:06:38
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And I think that's part of the reason why, you know, there's a little bit of,
00:06:43
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lower audience score compared to his previous movies that we've just reviewed.
00:06:47
Speaker
It is, it is a shift in tone, especially coming off of like men in black, even for us, something that we just reviewed and watched.
00:06:56
Speaker
You know, what's what really occurred to me is that what's the most quotable line from this movie?
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Speaker
Can you think of one?
00:07:04
Speaker
Can you think of two?
00:07:06
Speaker
I actually can because my buddy and I, my buddy actually text me.
00:07:10
Speaker
The one of the funny ones that I actually I one is when the woman's like, you smell like booze.
00:07:17
Speaker
And I'm not going to say the word on air, but he's like, because I've been drinking like I actually laugh hysterically at that.
00:07:27
Speaker
And that's and that's clever.
00:07:29
Speaker
But when you think about what you get from a Will Smith movie, you have like pages of quotable lines of things that you just are iconic to that movie.
00:07:40
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And there's that one.
00:07:41
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And there's maybe one or two other things, you know, is like maybe something along the lines of like, call me crazy one more time.
00:07:47
Speaker
You know, that's that's used a little bit.
00:07:48
Speaker
But that's really not that we've heard that in other movies.
00:07:52
Speaker
And and that's you know, it kind of stood out to me like that's really not what we get when we're used to a Will Smith movie, particularly Will Smith of this era.
00:08:02
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And I think what really kind of works against this movie in terms of how it's regarded and and again, it's just not the normal thing we got from him.
00:08:11
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But what occurs to me is that this is kind of a movie with an identity crisis.
Struggles with Genre and Narrative
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Is this a superhero deconstruction?
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Speaker
Is this a raunchy comedy?
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Speaker
Is this a comic book movie?
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Speaker
Is this a redemption story?
00:08:24
Speaker
Is this an underdog story?
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Speaker
Is this a love triangle story?
00:08:28
Speaker
Like what actually is this movie?
00:08:31
Speaker
And does this identity crisis make it better or worse?
00:08:34
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And I think that's up to the viewer to decide.
00:08:36
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But I think for a lot of people that maybe had certain expectations when they sit down to watch this for the first time, particularly if you saw it in its time, there's a lot of things about this that might throw you off.
00:08:47
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You know, there's there's a lot of things about this movie.
00:08:50
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It really doesn't know what it wants to be.
00:08:52
Speaker
And by the way, like that doesn't bother me, but I could see a lot of people that would be very confused by what this, this actually is.
00:09:00
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Um, there's some things that, you know, I think really don't work.
00:09:03
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The camera whips around like crazy.
00:09:05
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It's almost filmed like a documentary and at times, and it whips around like crazy.
00:09:09
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It zooms in and out rapidly.
00:09:12
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It's, it's somewhat distracting.
00:09:14
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Um, there's some other things that don't really work.
00:09:16
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Like I'm not really sure, um,
00:09:18
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what the rules are per se in this world, like how, how the superhero abilities work and don't work, how, how Mary and John's connection works.
00:09:28
Speaker
And like, I think it, at times there's like the, it seems like the way that it works fits whatever's going on in the story, as opposed to any like agreed upon rules that were figured out in advance, how this was supposed to work.
00:09:39
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So yeah,
00:09:41
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You know, there's there's some there's really some fun moments like I enjoy this movie.
00:09:46
Speaker
I think it's better than than its Rotten Tomatoes score.
00:09:50
Speaker
But there's definitely some weird parts, too.
00:09:53
Speaker
Yeah, Harrison, I'll let you piggyback off that because I have a lot of thoughts on on what Rob just stated.
00:09:59
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But, you know, what are what are your thoughts on some of those comments and, you know, some of your your thoughts on this movie?
Character Dynamics and Motivations
00:10:07
Speaker
Yeah, from the get-go, the movie started, and I was like, what is this movie?
00:10:14
Speaker
It starts with Will Smith being this drunk superhero that is horrible at being a superhero.
00:10:22
Speaker
First, I didn't know it was a superhero movie.
00:10:24
Speaker
And then to start with him being drunk and like,
00:10:28
Speaker
normally Will Smith's character is like really charismatic and charming and like someone you want to root for and really enjoy.
00:10:33
Speaker
And he is not that at the beginning.
00:10:36
Speaker
Like he just, he's a jerk.
00:10:38
Speaker
And so it's weird to have the movie start that way.
00:10:41
Speaker
It's, it's a very different vibe to a Will Smith movie.
00:10:46
Speaker
And then throughout the film, like it starts to, it starts with a different vibe and then it kind of gets into the flow of it and gets moving and, and really moves along that, for example, the redemption story of this,
00:10:57
Speaker
really awful drunk superhero and his redemption arc.
00:11:01
Speaker
And once it gets going into that and you're kind of in lane with it, it switches and goes another direction with like this weird love triangle thing.
00:11:11
Speaker
And then...
00:11:12
Speaker
once it goes into that vibe a little bit and like this, this, that mixed into this redemption story and like this history, we've been around for everything.
00:11:20
Speaker
Then it switches gears again to like this.
00:11:22
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We're not meant to be together, but we are meant to be together.
00:11:25
Speaker
So I'm going to be a hero because we're not together, but we are.
00:11:27
Speaker
And like every single time it gets into a groove, it does something else.
00:11:32
Speaker
Mingled in that is this weird, like wannabe action superhero movie that it's not being, and the camera work is,
00:11:38
Speaker
It's weird.
00:11:41
Speaker
It's like you can't figure out what it's trying to do.
00:11:44
Speaker
It's trying to do too many things.
00:11:45
Speaker
And there's some of the things in here that I actually really, really like.
00:11:49
Speaker
And I wish there was more of.
00:11:51
Speaker
And there's other things.
00:11:51
Speaker
I'm like, this just ruins it.
00:11:53
Speaker
And so it's just like this weird back and forth between good and not good.
00:11:57
Speaker
And it's hard to keep up with tonally.
00:12:00
Speaker
Yeah, to me, this movie is like heating a burrito in the microwave.
00:12:05
Speaker
You get hot and cold pockets of it.
00:12:07
Speaker
It doesn't heat evenly.
00:12:09
Speaker
That is so accurate.
00:12:11
Speaker
To me, that's how this thing breaks down.
00:12:15
Speaker
And it's a shame because the parts of the meal that are hot are actually really good.
00:12:21
Speaker
But you guys said it super succinct that...
00:12:27
Speaker
it just doesn't know what it wants to do.
00:12:29
Speaker
And when it hits a stride, you know, like you start, like if you're on the jumper open, you start going, well, then you just nip the bottom of your shoe and you got to go again.
00:12:38
Speaker
And it just starts and stops so many times, which is a shame because I think there's some really good things in there.
00:12:45
Speaker
And,
00:12:46
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you know, you could have almost said, okay, well, if it would have went all the way with like a dark kind of like redemption story of seeing him more as like a drunk or a guy that, you know, hurts people inadvertently because he doesn't have his stuff together.
00:13:03
Speaker
You know, that could have been a more free flowing movie or they could have just went all out comedy with this and maybe just having that all flow that would have made it a better movie.
00:13:15
Speaker
But,
00:13:16
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I do like the performances.
00:13:19
Speaker
I think the performances in this are good, but it is just such a different vehicle for Will Smith in terms of what in this timeframe fans were used to seeing.
00:13:30
Speaker
Yeah.
00:13:32
Speaker
He also creates Michael Myers.
00:13:34
Speaker
That kid that he punches into the sky is actually Michael Myers is actually the young version of Michael Myers and prop zombies Halloween.
00:13:43
Speaker
So he created a he created a really yeah, he created a serial killer.
00:13:47
Speaker
So.
00:13:50
Speaker
But yeah, I just it's really weird because you do have, you know, that that story of them, you know, Will Smith and Charlize Theron's character being together.
00:14:03
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But, you know, just like the other gods, when they get together and decide that they want to live a normal life, their their immortality goes away.
00:14:12
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I think that's an interesting concept.
00:14:14
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But, Rob, you mentioned it when you first started going over your thoughts.
00:14:18
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they play really loose with how that actually works about them being close together.
00:14:24
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It's like it's overdone when they need it to be done and act like they're in danger.
00:14:29
Speaker
And then it's like, well, it's kind of taken a break for a second so he can do what he needs to do to save her towards the end.
00:14:37
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There's no consistency with how close they are together in relation to how much damage they take.
00:14:45
Speaker
Yeah, it really doesn't follow anything specific.
Plot Devices and Narrative Execution
00:14:49
Speaker
Like if you go back and...
00:14:51
Speaker
And what's interesting is this is definitely the first time I've watched this movie all the way through since I saw it originally.
00:15:00
Speaker
And what was really interesting to me was really keen on Charlize Theron's performance and the way that she regarded Hancock.
00:15:10
Speaker
It's much more interesting the second time through because initially you're not really sure why she's so...
00:15:16
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I mean, obviously Hancock being kind of a jerk and being a drunk.
00:15:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:15:19
Speaker
You don't necessarily want that around, but it was, it was a very, very different experience the second time through, which was, which was really kind of interesting.
00:15:26
Speaker
So if you're listening to this and you've seen this movie once, maybe you've seen it twice, haven't seen it in a while, go back and rewatch it just for that.
00:15:32
Speaker
And, and partly it's just cause Charlize is just,
00:15:35
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I mean, she's among the most talented actresses that's working right now.
00:15:39
Speaker
I mean, she's she's in that conversation.
00:15:41
Speaker
She is just fantastic in everything I've ever seen her in.
00:15:44
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And I'm a big fan of hers and her work in general.
00:15:49
Speaker
But it just never really seems to line up and never see.
00:15:54
Speaker
you can't really make sense heads or tails of what's actually going on and why.
00:15:58
Speaker
And, you know, she does a great job with it, but then all of a sudden, you know, he gets stabbed.
00:16:02
Speaker
So then she's, she's feeling it.
00:16:05
Speaker
It's like, how far away does he actually have to get?
00:16:07
Speaker
Is it like diminishing or is there like a, an actual zone?
00:16:11
Speaker
Like, how's that, how's that work?
00:16:13
Speaker
It,
00:16:14
Speaker
And I think that part is, you know, that's the climax of your movie is that whole scene in the hospital at the end.
00:16:20
Speaker
And I know we're kind of jumping all the way to the end, but that's the climax.
00:16:23
Speaker
That's that's where you're supposed to have this big emotional response from your audience.
00:16:28
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And when your big emotional response is confusion, you have failed as a movie.
00:16:35
Speaker
Yeah, Harrison, I'll let you I'll let you chime in.
00:16:38
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Yeah, it was when Shirley's character showed up, I was just like immediately like, what is this movie doing?
00:16:48
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Like, I immediately got the vibes that they had a relationship in some way, but I was like, what?
00:16:54
Speaker
Like, does he not recognize her or does he?
00:16:56
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And he's just not saying anything.
00:16:57
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Like, obviously, you're slowly putting the pieces together, but I just knew something was going to happen between the two of them and a relationship was going to be either a previous one or they were going to have one.
00:17:09
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And, but I just was like, what, that was when we were firmly in like the redemption arc section of the movie, which is actually probably my favorite part of the movie.
00:17:18
Speaker
I thought that was exceptional.
00:17:20
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In fact, I have a line here that was just when he's in prison and I forget the guy's name.
00:17:26
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Um,
00:17:27
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The main guy, not Jason Bateman's character.
00:17:30
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Yes.
00:17:30
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Ray.
00:17:31
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That's his name.
00:17:32
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He says, stop pretending that you don't care.
00:17:34
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You have a calling.
00:17:34
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You're a hero, Hancock.
00:17:35
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You're going to be miserable the rest of your life until you accept that.
00:17:38
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Trust me.
00:17:39
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Trust this process.
00:17:40
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This plan, just stay in here.
00:17:41
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When they call a hero is what we're going to give them.
00:17:44
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And then he goes and saves the people.
00:17:45
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And it's like a phenomenal scene.
00:17:47
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And I'm like, wow, this movie is awesome.
00:17:49
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And I was like really into it.
00:17:50
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And I was ready to come on and say, like, why have I never seen this movie?
00:17:54
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This is an exceptional movie.
00:17:55
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I love the story.
00:17:55
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This is really impactful.
00:17:57
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This performance from Will Smith is really good.
00:17:59
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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:18:00
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And then that stuff came in more and more and more and more.
00:18:05
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Or maybe I'm getting my timelines messed up and it was before.
00:18:08
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But either way, I'm like enjoying this redemption arc thing.
00:18:11
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And suddenly this love triangle thing is happening.
00:18:13
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And I just was like,
00:18:15
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what is this movie trying to do?
00:18:17
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Because you had me hooked and you're losing me.
00:18:19
Speaker
And I'm not liking this at all.
00:18:21
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And I was confused in what the overall motive of the story was, which is not good.
00:18:28
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Like, it's weird that you can like have these really good moments that you really believe in and enjoy, but then just think like, what do you want to achieve?
00:18:36
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Because I don't know what you want.
00:18:38
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And so I don't know what I want.
00:18:40
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And it's just weird.
00:18:41
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Yeah, I think, you know, one of the things that I didn't like about the love triangle story, so to speak, and like realistically, I think that that scene where they're fighting and then where conveniently they land in front of Ray, of course they do in front of his building, but
00:19:02
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But I did like, like the scene where she's just like screaming at him.
00:19:07
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Like, I hate you.
00:19:08
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And he's like, I'm sorry.
00:19:09
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Like whatever I did, I'm sorry.
00:19:11
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I'm like, okay, that works.
00:19:12
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But at the same time, I'm like, I really like Jason Bateman's character, Ray, who's like genuinely a good guy who wants to help people.
00:19:21
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And he's kind of caught in this.
00:19:22
Speaker
And I'm like,
00:19:24
Speaker
I just feel bad for him.
00:19:25
Speaker
Like, I don't, I don't feel anything like, oh, it's so sad that like he lost his memory getting jumped when they were on a date.
00:19:33
Speaker
Like, I don't feel bad about that.
00:19:34
Speaker
Like, I feel bad for this guy who's like this really nice dude.
00:19:39
Speaker
And it's like, okay.
00:19:42
Speaker
And I don't think that's what they were trying.
00:19:44
Speaker
At least that's not what I would go for in this movie.
00:19:46
Speaker
Like,
Missed Opportunities in Storytelling
00:19:48
Speaker
fine.
00:19:48
Speaker
Have her character still have superpowers and show that at the end is a teaser.
00:19:54
Speaker
Like, but just have this be a redemption story for Hancock's character and, you know, the bank robber that tries to get revenge on him.
00:20:06
Speaker
You could still have this movie be that without jumping all over the place.
00:20:12
Speaker
Maybe it's just me, but I'm kind of over amnesia as a plot device just in general.
00:20:18
Speaker
And perhaps it's just because I played a lot of JRPGs growing up as a, you know, being born in the early 80s and playing video games all through the 90s.
00:20:25
Speaker
And, you know, that seemed like the plot of most of those at some point or another, somebody had amnesia, but it's kind of overused and.
00:20:33
Speaker
I don't know.
00:20:35
Speaker
I guess it sort of works for this movie, but imagine if that wasn't how it started.
00:20:40
Speaker
Imagine there was, I don't know, 75 other ways they could have done it without the amnesia plot.
00:20:44
Speaker
How much more interesting could this have been?
00:20:48
Speaker
Rob, I just flicked myself in the head.
00:20:50
Speaker
I don't remember.
00:20:50
Speaker
Do you want to start this episode over?
00:20:55
Speaker
Like it's just amnesia doesn't really work that way.
00:20:57
Speaker
Like it's, I don't know.
00:20:59
Speaker
I'm kind of over it as a plot device in general.
00:21:03
Speaker
It's interesting to me because like, to go back to Matt's comment, that scene when they fight and they land in front of Rey, it's just like this weird combination of emotions where like, you are just sad for Rey.
00:21:18
Speaker
So like, you're immediately just disinterested in everything that's going on.
00:21:23
Speaker
And while I think that the performance that Will Smith gives when he says, I'm sorry, I think this idea that like, he doesn't remember his previous life
00:21:33
Speaker
is weird.
00:21:34
Speaker
Like the, the thing that I do like about it, because I'm with you, Rob, that amnesia is a wasted plot device.
00:21:40
Speaker
The thing that I do like is when he says like, who was I that no one was there to claim me or whatever he says, I forget the line.
00:21:47
Speaker
Yeah.
00:21:48
Speaker
Like that's that, that is good motivation for a character who needs redemption.
00:21:53
Speaker
Like I can get that.
00:21:54
Speaker
I I'm buying into that line and the way that it adds to the thematic weight of redemption and the journey that he goes on.
00:22:01
Speaker
However, the amnesia thing to then go on to Charlize Theron's character and that whole weird thing, and then to later just have it revealed the whole thing, I would have rather just had it stayed a mystery that he just didn't know, and we didn't know, and that was it.
00:22:18
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And he just had to come to terms with not knowing.
00:22:22
Speaker
I feel like that could have been a more impactful use of amnesia because
00:22:26
Speaker
To me, that was when it would be interesting, is learning to live with a version of yourself you have to define for yourself who you are.
00:22:32
Speaker
Because that's a relatable experience for me.
00:22:37
Speaker
And just flat out forgetting and then being told like, oh yeah, here you go.
00:22:40
Speaker
This was your life.
00:22:41
Speaker
Like that...
00:22:42
Speaker
who does that?
00:22:43
Speaker
Matt, you, you kind of referenced it, but I mean, think how many times we see people get concussions all the time in the NFL, in boxing, in mixed martial arts.
00:22:52
Speaker
Like none of those guys have ever gone under the blue tent and forgotten the playbook.
00:22:58
Speaker
Like let alone their entire life.
00:23:01
Speaker
Like we've seen just even this season, we've seen guys get hit so hard that you're convinced like there's no way he's ever getting up off that field.
00:23:10
Speaker
And yeah,
00:23:11
Speaker
they're back in action the next week.
00:23:13
Speaker
I don't know.
00:23:15
Speaker
I'm just kind of over amnesia in general, I guess.
Tonal Inconsistencies in 'Hancock'
00:23:18
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:18
Speaker
And, you know, sticking with the theme of this kind of going back and forth, you get that scene where, you know, Ray sees them and you feel sad for Ray, but then it kind of switches tones where they all get back to the house and
00:23:36
Speaker
And part of that's actually kind of funny.
00:23:38
Speaker
Like, Ray has no clue what's going on.
00:23:40
Speaker
He's like, why were you flying?
00:23:42
Speaker
Tell me why you were flying.
00:23:43
Speaker
And then he's talking to Hancock.
00:23:45
Speaker
And, like, the way Will Smith, like, delivers the line, he's like, don't bring it over here, Ray.
00:23:50
Speaker
Like, you know, talk to her.
00:23:53
Speaker
It's funny, but then at the same time, I'm like...
00:23:56
Speaker
this shouldn't be funny right now.
00:23:58
Speaker
Like, so totally again, they, they just shift and it's like, yes, it's funny, but even though I'm laughing because there's some genuinely funny dialogue in there,
00:24:10
Speaker
I feel like I shouldn't be laughing like this is not what I should be following up with based on what I just saw.
00:24:16
Speaker
And again, that's where it just it flip flops back and forth so much that even though you might be having somewhat of a good time or laughing, I could not stop thinking about the fact of like.
00:24:29
Speaker
This isn't the natural follow up for what we just saw.
00:24:34
Speaker
Yeah, it's weird because I agree with you.
00:24:37
Speaker
That scene is funny and the writing of it is clever and the progression of it between the characters makes sense.
00:24:44
Speaker
But it doesn't fit.
00:24:47
Speaker
It fits and doesn't.
00:24:48
Speaker
You know what I mean?
00:24:49
Speaker
Like,
00:24:50
Speaker
And it's just this weird in between and it makes me not sure how I feel about any of it.
00:24:56
Speaker
And so it just like it makes me lukewarm to the entire thing, which is like I'd rather have an opinion than have no opinion.
00:25:03
Speaker
And I'm like struggling to express how I feel because I'm like, yeah, it's funny and it works, but it doesn't and it shouldn't be there.
00:25:10
Speaker
It's just this weird combination.
00:25:12
Speaker
However, while we're speaking about funny things, I have been kicking myself since we recorded the Men in Black episode because I did not mention the scene where Will Smith is taking the test with the papers.
00:25:23
Speaker
That is the funniest scene ever.
00:25:24
Speaker
I had never seen it.
00:25:26
Speaker
I was dying laughing.
00:25:27
Speaker
I had to pause it.
00:25:28
Speaker
I could not compose myself.
00:25:30
Speaker
And I just am mad I never mentioned that.
00:25:31
Speaker
So I just had to say it.
00:25:32
Speaker
Get off my chest.
00:25:33
Speaker
But back to Hancock.
00:25:36
Speaker
It's just, it's, I do.
00:25:37
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:38
Speaker
I like feel like I can breathe for sharing.
00:25:40
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:41
Speaker
Thank you for listening.
00:25:42
Speaker
I appreciate it.
00:25:44
Speaker
Um, but it's weird because I wrote this down in my notes at first.
00:25:50
Speaker
This is what I said.
00:25:50
Speaker
I didn't like the whole wife thing at first, but then the conversation between the three of them, it got better.
00:25:56
Speaker
But then the next paragraph says, but the ending was weird.
00:26:00
Speaker
I don't like any of it.
00:26:00
Speaker
It like ruined the whole thing.
00:26:02
Speaker
So it's just like this weird back and forth where I'm continuing like, oh, hey, here's this thing.
00:26:05
Speaker
I kind of like it.
00:26:06
Speaker
But then something else happens, which makes me unlike it.
00:26:08
Speaker
So then I just, I don't know.
00:26:14
Speaker
What's weird about some of that is the way that Mary holds Hancock accountable for the person he's not anymore and doesn't remember being.
00:26:24
Speaker
She's angry at him for something that, you know, for all intents and purposes, he's not that person right now.
00:26:30
Speaker
And, you know, she's angry at him for that.
00:26:34
Speaker
And it kind of doesn't make sense.
00:26:36
Speaker
And I guess the thing that I find really compelling is
00:26:42
Speaker
is thinking about what a relationship that spans centuries would really be like, you know, I, we, we all know people have been married a long time and, you know, they know their spouse better than, you know, anybody ever could know somebody at times.
00:26:57
Speaker
And, but to, to have a relationship grow over millennia, even, um, it's kind of an interesting idea.
00:27:05
Speaker
Like what, how would that be different?
00:27:07
Speaker
And I think that's an idea that's kind of hinted at a time that sort of talked about, um,
00:27:13
Speaker
but I don't know that it explores as much as I kind of wish it would.
00:27:17
Speaker
Rob, with what you're speaking about, as the movie was going, I felt the exact same thing, which actually, Rob, have you seen Eternals yet?
00:27:26
Speaker
Uh, no, I'll get around to it.
00:27:28
Speaker
Don't, don't get around to it.
00:27:29
Speaker
It's not worth it.
00:27:31
Speaker
Uh, but I, I had the exact same, like, I was like, this is what I felt like in Eternals because Eternals has a similar thing where, you know, they live forever and they, there's relationships that span eons and it's, it's just weird.
00:27:42
Speaker
Like that, that relationship should be so much different than it is.
00:27:47
Speaker
And I also think that we just don't have the capacity to understand what it, what it really would be like.
00:27:52
Speaker
However, it just, it, it, it doesn't,
00:27:55
Speaker
Feel the way that it should.
00:27:57
Speaker
I don't know how to describe what it should feel like.
00:27:59
Speaker
It just doesn't feel like it should.
00:28:01
Speaker
Well, I think part of that for me is the fact that even watching the movie, it still doesn't like, okay, she hates him.
00:28:13
Speaker
You know, for whatever.
00:28:16
Speaker
I mean,
00:28:18
Speaker
the guy's been gone for eight.
00:28:19
Speaker
Like he hasn't bothered you for 80 years.
00:28:22
Speaker
Cause he has no clue.
00:28:23
Speaker
And he still really hasn't bothered you when he first came back.
00:28:28
Speaker
Like he wasn't, it's not like it was just some guy that came into their house and he just started hitting on her.
00:28:34
Speaker
Like he really didn't like nothing was going on there.
00:28:38
Speaker
And even watching the scene, there was, and I know they kind of make mention to like, Oh, we're just drawn to each other, but they don't mention anything about being, uh,
00:28:47
Speaker
like physically or emotionally drawn to each other i think you're just supposed to to get that conclusion but it's like i just didn't believe where the lead up to him kissing her like to me that that felt very forced and then you know they get into the fight because she throws them through you know she throws them through the wall um
00:29:10
Speaker
I just I didn't believe all of it.
00:29:12
Speaker
And I feel like, you know, especially with the rules, how we talked about when they can get hurt and when they can't.
00:29:18
Speaker
I felt like they never really explained like the connection that they're supposed to have to each other and being drawn.
00:29:24
Speaker
That didn't feel real either.
00:29:26
Speaker
It felt.
00:29:28
Speaker
Like painted on, so to speak, to me, it felt like Mary, is that her name?
00:29:33
Speaker
It's really strong.
00:29:33
Speaker
His character.
00:29:35
Speaker
Yes.
00:29:35
Speaker
Was doing more to bring it on and to bring it about anything else.
00:29:41
Speaker
which I don't really feel like she was doing, but I felt like that was the explanation my mind was coming up with.
00:29:49
Speaker
Like, okay, maybe that's, let me rephrase that.
00:29:52
Speaker
That is a believable explanation that that's how it came about, that that's what she was doing, that she was bringing about.
00:29:57
Speaker
But why would she bring that about?
00:29:59
Speaker
It's just, it's weird.
00:30:01
Speaker
It doesn't make sense.
00:30:01
Speaker
It's like my mind is trying to fill in the hole and I'm just like trying to get the piece that fits as good as it can.
00:30:08
Speaker
And no piece really fits the way it should.
00:30:10
Speaker
And it just makes, again, the whole thing is just very weird.
00:30:14
Speaker
And I think there's even some Uncle Ben stuff here, too.
00:30:17
Speaker
You know, the whole with great power comes great responsibility.
00:30:19
Speaker
So he has this ability.
00:30:21
Speaker
He's a superhero in air quotes there, you know, because he's kind of he kind of sucks at it.
00:30:26
Speaker
You know, like he causes more harm than than what he does in terms of help.
00:30:32
Speaker
And she's just there on the sideline watching all this happen, watching all of the collateral damage that he's causing and lives that are likely being lost.
00:30:43
Speaker
And she willingly chooses to sit on the sideline and just let it happen instead of, you know, step in and say, she doesn't even have to explain the whole thing.
00:30:53
Speaker
She doesn't have to tell him that they were married or that they were lovers or anything like that.
00:30:57
Speaker
But just to even serve as a mentor and teach him, you know, how to,
00:31:02
Speaker
do what he does and give him purpose in life.
00:31:05
Speaker
That isn't just being a drunk all the time and not caring and, and actually using his abilities for good.
00:31:12
Speaker
Um, Mary's kind of a terrible person.
00:31:15
Speaker
I thought the same thing.
00:31:16
Speaker
And I also thought like, what was her game plan?
00:31:18
Speaker
Like if they never age, I mean, was she just, at some point she's going to like get noticed.
00:31:23
Speaker
Like, yeah, he's going to, they're going to be together.
00:31:25
Speaker
What?
00:31:25
Speaker
Like 10 years.
00:31:26
Speaker
And he's going to be like, um,
00:31:28
Speaker
Why do you look the exact same?
00:31:29
Speaker
Like, I, what was her plan?
00:31:32
Speaker
I don't know.
00:31:32
Speaker
I like to be like, Oh, 10 years later.
00:31:34
Speaker
Hey, by the way, here's this thing I never told you.
00:31:37
Speaker
It just, the entire thing about her character is just weird.
00:31:41
Speaker
She's never going to get sick.
00:31:42
Speaker
She's never going to accidentally cut herself.
00:31:44
Speaker
Like she's, you know, she'll never drop something on her foot and have it like actually impact her.
00:31:50
Speaker
Like,
00:31:50
Speaker
we have a joke in my house that we need one of those like OSHA signs.
00:31:53
Speaker
This facility has gone, you know, X many number of days since my wife last hurt herself.
00:31:58
Speaker
Like she does it all the time.
00:31:59
Speaker
Like that would be weird to me if like all this stuff happened, like, you know, crack your head off the bottom of a kitchen cabinet and not even react or have the cabinet break off.
00:32:08
Speaker
Like at some point you'd go, what?
00:32:11
Speaker
Right.
00:32:12
Speaker
You would think that in that entire time, like, okay, she's been doing it for centuries, but you would think that maybe just, uh,
00:32:20
Speaker
Because part of it, she does seem happy.
00:32:23
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:32:24
Speaker
With Ray.
00:32:24
Speaker
Like, you know, they seem like real.
00:32:27
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:27
Speaker
You know, a real legitimate couple.
00:32:30
Speaker
You would think that she would slip up.
00:32:34
Speaker
Like her natural guard to be like, I got to make sure I don't bump into anything too tough or, you know, I have to react a certain way.
00:32:43
Speaker
Like, again, like if she did drop something on her foot, I have to act like it.
00:32:47
Speaker
It affected me like I it hurt.
00:32:50
Speaker
You would think that just in that natural relationship where they do seem like a couple, you know,
00:32:55
Speaker
he would have noticed something like, yeah.
00:32:57
Speaker
Um, there's a couple of weird signs.
00:33:00
Speaker
It would have slipped through.
00:33:02
Speaker
Right.
00:33:03
Speaker
Exactly.
00:33:04
Speaker
Now, you know, when, when we were talking about like Hancock, just being a horrible hero, there was a couple of fun, you know, that scene where he does save Ray from the train and Ray gets out of the car and they're all yelling and they're like, you could have gone right up with the car, but instead you, and like, you know, it's like, yeah, he could have like,
00:33:23
Speaker
you should have gone up.
00:33:24
Speaker
Like, yeah, you could have shown, you should have flown the car straight up, but he didn't, but I'm happy to be alive.
00:33:29
Speaker
I get to go home to my wife.
00:33:32
Speaker
Again, like there's, there's some funny scenes here.
00:33:35
Speaker
And I, I love Jason Bateman.
00:33:36
Speaker
Like I, I think he's great.
00:33:40
Speaker
But then, yeah, it's just that, that tonal flip, you can't ever enjoy one aspect of the movie because then you're trying to figure out the next aspect of the movie.
00:33:50
Speaker
And that's just,
00:33:52
Speaker
That's the thing that always sticks with me, and even when I was thinking about how I wanted to rate this, was, Rob, you said, especially the ending, when your climax is confusion, you probably shouldn't be doing it.
00:34:07
Speaker
Because it's not good confusion.
00:34:09
Speaker
It's not Shutter Island confusion about...
00:34:12
Speaker
Does he know what's real is like, I don't know.
00:34:15
Speaker
Sorry, spoiler, if neither of you guys have seen Shutter Island.
00:34:20
Speaker
But it's not good ending.
00:34:21
Speaker
You're right.
00:34:22
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:22
Speaker
Like, it's not that type of confusion for the audience where you can make either play to what you think that ending means.
00:34:31
Speaker
And you can be right.
00:34:35
Speaker
The weird thing, especially about this ending, is that it tries to end on this really, I'm just going to say, sweeping, soaring feeling with Hancock flying through the air.
00:34:44
Speaker
And it's just like, I just feel flat.
00:34:47
Speaker
I almost don't know what I'm feeling right now.
00:34:51
Speaker
And the imagery makes it worse.
00:34:53
Speaker
Right.
00:34:55
Speaker
And I think, too, is because there's not, you know, the villain in here is very forgettable.
00:35:03
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:35:04
Speaker
He's lame.
00:35:04
Speaker
You know, he shouldn't be threatening to Hancock.
00:35:07
Speaker
But because of this MacGuffin of them being close together, he is.
00:35:12
Speaker
And it's just like, that's why also for me, this ending doesn't.
00:35:17
Speaker
It doesn't work because this villain should not have done anything to either of them.
00:35:24
Speaker
This is not believable.
00:35:26
Speaker
So this I've got two major, major problems with with our villain red when he's in the bank, when Hancock runs into him the first time and he ends up losing his first hand, you know, he's screaming, where do you go?
00:35:36
Speaker
What is happening?
00:35:38
Speaker
Like that is unbelievably lame and terrible and stupid.
00:35:42
Speaker
So bad.
00:35:43
Speaker
It's awful.
00:35:44
Speaker
Like it should have been cut and everybody involved should have been fired when when they when they go to break out of prison.
00:35:55
Speaker
They have absolutely no way of knowing that Hancock is in a vulnerable state like he's not in a vulnerable state at that point, but they have no way of knowing what was their end game like what was their plan?
00:36:05
Speaker
What were they hoping to do to him?
00:36:08
Speaker
it makes no sense.
00:36:09
Speaker
Like they were just going to show up and, and try to stab him and throw fire extinguishers at him.
00:36:13
Speaker
Like, why did they think that was going to work?
00:36:16
Speaker
There's no reason for them to know that.
00:36:18
Speaker
And you kind of take this towards the beginning of the movie, the very first action scene we get, like,
00:36:25
Speaker
Hancock is a known entity.
00:36:27
Speaker
It's not like he's a new hero on the scene.
00:36:29
Speaker
Everybody knows who this guy is.
00:36:31
Speaker
And yet everybody still tries to shoot him.
00:36:34
Speaker
Like what, what are you hoping to accomplish?
00:36:36
Speaker
Like it's futile and everybody does it anyways.
00:36:40
Speaker
It makes no sense.
00:36:41
Speaker
I mean, he's pretty much got the same power set as Superman really without like the laser vision and the, the freeze breath and stuff.
00:36:49
Speaker
But it,
00:36:50
Speaker
you know, it kind of, at times it's made Superman kind of a boring hero.
00:36:54
Speaker
So like the writers will have to, you know, put other people around him in danger or make his, his secret identity part of the tension until they eventually just had him reveal it recently.
Critique of Villains and Logic
00:37:05
Speaker
Um, so it kind of makes him a little bit of a board, but at the same time, like why are you wasting your ammo on him?
00:37:10
Speaker
Like there's so many other things you could possibly be doing.
00:37:12
Speaker
It just seems stupid.
00:37:14
Speaker
Um,
00:37:15
Speaker
And it's, I don't know.
00:37:17
Speaker
I hate it.
00:37:19
Speaker
The thing that I keep thinking about, and I don't know how this really fits in with what you guys are saying, but it's what you guys are making me think.
00:37:25
Speaker
I was recently listening to the episode that Matt, you did on Black Adam.
00:37:29
Speaker
And I feel like there are components of this that, like Black Adam could have really worked with this type of redemption story that the first movie did, or the first part of the movie did.
00:37:42
Speaker
Like I'm thinking about, because Rob, you were describing that scene.
00:37:44
Speaker
at the bank, like after you get that stupidity where the guy is trying to negotiate with him and he says, like, you're going to take the money and you're going to carry me to safety or I'm going to blow up these people or whatever.
00:37:57
Speaker
And
00:37:58
Speaker
Like, I was genuinely thinking like, oh, Hancock's kind of turning over a new leaf.
00:38:03
Speaker
What is he going to do?
00:38:04
Speaker
How is he going to get through this situation?
00:38:07
Speaker
And then he does like this really kind of like morally gray thing that, you know, to quote the horrible line at the ending of Black Adam, he can do things that you can't because of who he is or whatever this stupid line is like.
00:38:18
Speaker
Oh, my God.
00:38:19
Speaker
God, that was horrendous.
00:38:22
Speaker
Right, but that idea could work with the direction that this first part of the movie goes to with this redemption arc, and that idea might have been cool, or they take this idea in the first part of Hancock and put it in Black Adam.
00:38:34
Speaker
Either way, I feel like
00:38:36
Speaker
My brain keeps wanting that, but sadly, as Rob pointed out, we keep getting stupidity.
00:38:42
Speaker
Not just in the writing, but just in every aspect of this film.
00:38:47
Speaker
The characters' choices, logically, it's like, are we dumb?
00:38:53
Speaker
Do you think that we as audience members are dumb?
00:38:58
Speaker
I don't know.
00:39:00
Speaker
It's just...
00:39:02
Speaker
Like, like, here's the thing that I kept thinking.
00:39:05
Speaker
Nobody likes Hancock.
00:39:07
Speaker
Does he just not have to eat?
00:39:09
Speaker
Like, where does he get this money?
00:39:11
Speaker
Like, he apparently has plenty of money for alcohol.
00:39:14
Speaker
But where does he get that?
00:39:15
Speaker
Like, does he panhandle on his time off when he's not saving the world?
00:39:18
Speaker
Like, I don't know.
00:39:19
Speaker
There's just like a lot of logical things that the movie just kind of expects you to go along with and never question.
00:39:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:39:27
Speaker
And those are like minor things, like people shooting at them.
00:39:29
Speaker
And then there are also major plot points, like pretty much everything happening with Shulise Theron's character.
00:39:34
Speaker
And it's just like, oh, here you go.
00:39:36
Speaker
Just accept this.
00:39:37
Speaker
Don't question it.
00:39:38
Speaker
Because if you do, it's going to fall apart.
00:39:42
Speaker
Yeah, I still think, too, the ending is, I mean, besides the giant heart on the moon.
00:39:50
Speaker
How did he do that?
00:39:53
Speaker
How did he do that?
00:39:56
Speaker
You know, movie magic.
00:39:57
Speaker
It's that Bruce Almighty moon.
00:40:00
Speaker
But I still think there's, it's a tough pill to swallow that
00:40:09
Speaker
Ray and Mary are still together.
00:40:11
Speaker
Some like, and as happy as they seem at the end of it.
00:40:14
Speaker
Like, I, I feel like, you know, okay, you were going to, if this guy, if Hancock hadn't shown up the way that he had, because realistically it's kind of like dumb luck that he falls into their lives.
00:40:32
Speaker
Um,
00:40:35
Speaker
but you were going to lie to me for our entire life.
00:40:39
Speaker
Like you were lying to me for entire lives.
00:40:41
Speaker
And granted, it's not like, you know, she was lying about cheating or anything, but like you've lied her entire lives.
00:40:46
Speaker
And realistically, like you said, how is she going to get out of this relationship?
00:40:51
Speaker
Like, was she just, when he started questioning, was she just going to up and leave and be like, well, I can't stick around for another 10 years because I'm going to look the same as the first day we met.
00:41:03
Speaker
And,
00:41:04
Speaker
What am I going to tell him?
00:41:06
Speaker
Like, were you eventually going to tell him?
00:41:08
Speaker
Were you just going to fly off in the night one night?
00:41:11
Speaker
Like, how did you expect to, like, realistically stay with this guy?
00:41:17
Speaker
You're 100% right that at the end of the movie, when they're still together and they're just a loving couple.
00:41:23
Speaker
I got weirded out by that.
00:41:25
Speaker
I was like, I'm not buying this right now.
00:41:28
Speaker
Yeah, because it's not like we, you know, did you guys like legitimately like did you go to couples therapy and like hash this out and talk about it?
00:41:39
Speaker
But no, it's like, OK, they get shot.
00:41:42
Speaker
Hancock leaves.
00:41:43
Speaker
All right, whatever.
00:41:44
Speaker
Like none of what just happened existed.
00:41:48
Speaker
Again, it's like a tonal shift.
00:41:51
Speaker
It's like the argument and the fights didn't happen.
00:41:57
Speaker
And is she just going back to life as a housewife?
00:42:00
Speaker
She's got these abilities.
00:42:02
Speaker
People know she has these abilities and she's willingly choosing, it seems, to not use them.
00:42:08
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:09
Speaker
for the greater good.
00:42:10
Speaker
I, you know, again, it's the whole great power, great responsibility to what extent does a person with the means to do so required to benefit the greater good.
00:42:19
Speaker
It's, it's a fantastic philosophical debate that you can have with your friends.
00:42:23
Speaker
Um, but it just, it, yeah, it seems kind of weird.
00:42:27
Speaker
The thing is that a whole ending prevents you from being like excited or happy or pleased with any part of it because like Hancock has had this great character growth, but he's still alone.
00:42:38
Speaker
Like,
00:42:39
Speaker
cool he's a better hero now but he got a he got a hawk and what's weird to me is at no point does mary ever be like oh
Final Thoughts and Ratings
00:42:48
Speaker
yeah by the way your real name is whatever yeah like he never even tells him your real name is david webb i was totally expecting you to uh say ralph boner
00:43:05
Speaker
He got us again.
00:43:06
Speaker
He swerved us.
00:43:08
Speaker
Had Wiley Ralph Boner.
00:43:10
Speaker
Yeah, no, that's a great point.
00:43:12
Speaker
You don't know how to feel at the end of this movie, but yet I still sit there and go, Harrison, you said this.
00:43:23
Speaker
I don't hate it.
00:43:24
Speaker
I don't love it.
00:43:26
Speaker
I still don't know what my opinion is of it.
00:43:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:43:29
Speaker
And that's worse.
00:43:31
Speaker
Here's the thing.
00:43:32
Speaker
This is how I'll put it.
00:43:33
Speaker
And here's another note I have down.
00:43:35
Speaker
From the beginning of the movie, something felt off.
00:43:38
Speaker
I think this movie is filmed in a weird aspect ratio where it's extra long horizontally and shorter vertically.
00:43:46
Speaker
Yeah.
00:43:47
Speaker
I don't know.
00:43:48
Speaker
I should go and compare, but the entire time I kept like trying to like reach my head forward, like through the window.
00:43:54
Speaker
Cause I felt like I wasn't getting the full view that it was being obstructed by the letterboxing.
00:43:58
Speaker
And I just feel, I genuinely really think that the aspect ratio is different than most movies.
00:44:03
Speaker
Like,
00:44:04
Speaker
I feel like our brains have watched enough movies in like 16 by 9 format where we're accustomed to what it looks like.
00:44:10
Speaker
And so when it's slightly off, you notice.
00:44:13
Speaker
And that accompanied with like this really tight, shallow depth of field cinematography that it has and how it is weird camera work.
00:44:21
Speaker
So just from the get go, visually, it feels off and you're like, but you're not quite sure.
00:44:25
Speaker
You can't really put your finger on if it is or if it isn't.
00:44:28
Speaker
So you just kind of like leave it there.
00:44:30
Speaker
Like, I think it's there, but I don't know if it is.
00:44:34
Speaker
And so I'm like this weird in between.
00:44:35
Speaker
That is the entire thing of the movie is like, there's parts of it.
00:44:38
Speaker
You're like, oh, hey, see, there's proof as to why it doesn't work.
00:44:41
Speaker
Or maybe another moment.
00:44:42
Speaker
You're like, oh, there's proof as to why it does.
00:44:44
Speaker
But I'm not really sure if it does or doesn't because like if we're doing a scientific theory, we're doing the scientific method and we're doing our research, you know, our hypothesis can't be answered because we've got proof that goes either way.
00:44:56
Speaker
So we're just like stuck in between.
00:44:59
Speaker
And it's a bummer because I will say, I'll say this again, this movie started and that whole redemption art thing and the performance of Will Smith and Ray's character,
00:45:10
Speaker
That I was really into.
00:45:11
Speaker
I really, really loved it.
00:45:12
Speaker
I wrote down that whole line when he's in the prison.
00:45:16
Speaker
And he convinces him to say, I thought it was exceptionally good.
00:45:18
Speaker
And in fact, I wrote, this is not, quote, this is what I said in my notes.
00:45:22
Speaker
This is not at all what I thought it was.
00:45:23
Speaker
And this is really good.
00:45:25
Speaker
And then I just started trashing it.
00:45:30
Speaker
So it's just a bummer.
00:45:33
Speaker
Yeah, Rob, any kind of sort of final thoughts on notes that you took?
00:45:40
Speaker
You know, Harrison was talking a little bit about the aspect ratios and just some of the camera work in general.
00:45:45
Speaker
I found a lot of the camera work to kind of be distracting.
00:45:48
Speaker
It was almost shot like ER at times, you know, like just again, it zooms in and out and the camera is very shaky at times.
00:45:56
Speaker
It's distracting.
00:45:57
Speaker
Like when you notice it, when you notice that you remember you're watching a movie and when you remember you're watching a movie, you stop having fun.
00:46:04
Speaker
But right out of the gate, the visual effects in this are pretty bad.
00:46:08
Speaker
And that's even by 2008 standards.
00:46:11
Speaker
Right out of the gate, you notice it.
00:46:13
Speaker
The other thing that I'll mention right at the beginning of this movie, if you are going to use a Ludacris song, do not ever use the edited version.
00:46:22
Speaker
If you're intending, if you have to hit PG-13 or PG or whatever it is, don't use Ludacris.
00:46:28
Speaker
Just please don't make me listen to Move.
00:46:31
Speaker
without actually giving me the whole song.
00:46:34
Speaker
Like that's distracting to me when I know every word to that song and you're using the edited version.
00:46:40
Speaker
That's incredibly distracting to me.
00:46:41
Speaker
And it bothers me because I love that song to pick something different.
00:46:45
Speaker
It's, it's almost like they didn't have time to go back because again, it was, they went through the review board twice with rated R and it was almost there.
00:46:54
Speaker
It's almost like they said, well, we don't have time to get a different song.
00:46:58
Speaker
So just use it.
00:47:00
Speaker
Like,
00:47:02
Speaker
go cut.
00:47:03
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:04
Speaker
It feels like that, that, uh, project that you did in high school when you wanted to use a song and you had to cut it out because it was a high school project.
00:47:12
Speaker
And so you just like went into, to windows movie maker and you just like scissor, scissor, drag together.
00:47:18
Speaker
Perfect.
00:47:22
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:22
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:23
Speaker
Um, also because, because Rob said that he also noticed it, I looked it up and, uh, it is filmed in a 23, uh,
00:47:31
Speaker
Or two words need to work coming out of my brain.
00:47:37
Speaker
It is filmed at approximately 240 by one aspect ratio.
00:47:42
Speaker
But I found it and it's actually filmed at 239.
00:47:44
Speaker
So just from 240 to 239 is so different.
00:47:49
Speaker
And who made that choice?
00:47:52
Speaker
Like, I mean, it's not like they were shipping cameras that shoot like a 0.01 different aspect ratio.
00:47:58
Speaker
Like, I feel like that had to be a creative decision.
00:48:00
Speaker
And who made that decision?
00:48:01
Speaker
Because it's an awful one.
00:48:03
Speaker
Like if you're going to change it, like make it like 225 or something.
00:48:07
Speaker
I don't know.
00:48:07
Speaker
Like just, I don't know.
00:48:08
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:08
Speaker
Anyway, rant over.
00:48:09
Speaker
It's just dumb.
00:48:11
Speaker
Yeah, no, I, I think those are valid points.
00:48:17
Speaker
Let's, let's rate this thing.
00:48:19
Speaker
Let's get into popcorn time.
00:48:22
Speaker
I'm going to let Rob go first.
00:48:24
Speaker
Cause I'm, I'm, I'm curious as to what,
00:48:27
Speaker
your guys ratings are because I think you might be surprised at mine based on everything that we've said.
00:48:33
Speaker
So, all right, I'm going to go first and I'm just going to go ahead and go out on a limb here.
00:48:38
Speaker
When we started this, I said, you know, it's sitting right around like 49% on Rotten Tomatoes and it's better than that score.
00:48:45
Speaker
And then I only said like negative things about it.
00:48:49
Speaker
So it kind of seems like I'm contradicting myself.
00:48:52
Speaker
So I am at three buckets on this.
00:48:56
Speaker
There's
00:48:57
Speaker
And that's maybe being a little bit generous.
00:48:59
Speaker
And I think it's mostly just because like what Harrison was mentioning, this movie starts off with so much promise and then it just kind of gets weirder and choppy from there.
00:49:11
Speaker
but when I think about this movie, I tend to remember more of the parts of it that I liked, and I sort of excuse some of the parts I don't like.
00:49:22
Speaker
And that's really on the basis of the performances of some pretty talented actors.
00:49:27
Speaker
Will Smith, Charlize Theron, Jason Bateman.
00:49:30
Speaker
This is maybe Jason Bateman's most serious role that I can remember, and he's still playing a comedic character, but this is probably the most serious role I've seen him in,
00:49:39
Speaker
And he's incredibly effective at it.
00:49:42
Speaker
So I'm going to go with three buckets.
00:49:45
Speaker
And that's going to maybe sound like a surprise.
00:49:49
Speaker
So Harrison, I'll let you go last and bookend it.
00:49:54
Speaker
I was three buckets as well.
00:49:56
Speaker
And it is because of the fact that when you sit there and you look at this movie and the things that I'm like, I like that.
00:50:05
Speaker
There's so much, but there's so much potential in there that I tend to look at it a little bit more favorably than the negative things that we said about it, because I'm just like, all right, besides the villain, I'm
00:50:19
Speaker
The negatives don't make me sit there and go, well, I don't like this movie.
00:50:24
Speaker
I'm going to go do something else.
00:50:26
Speaker
Like I still gave my undivided attention to this movie and I sit there and go, man, if there was, if there was a little tweak here, one tweak there, just a smidge difference there, boy, we've really got something.
00:50:41
Speaker
Um, yeah.
00:50:43
Speaker
And so that's, that's why I give it three.
00:50:45
Speaker
I think the overall, the good outweighs the bad, which again, you're like Rob, like you said, it might seem odd to say that because it seemed like we did just mention, you know, the bad about this movie.
00:50:59
Speaker
But I, for me, I think it's, I mentioned it because of the fact that it's just, it's, it's weird, especially coming off of men in black independence day that, uh,
00:51:12
Speaker
The tonal shift and you because you can see it, you can see the potential in this movie.
00:51:18
Speaker
I'll tell you what's interesting is that when you think about other things, Matt, that you and I have rated three, you know, three buckets or when we were doing it with reels.
00:51:26
Speaker
it's sort of a range, right?
00:51:28
Speaker
So if you take everything I've ever given three, three out of five, two, this is probably at the lower end of my threes.
00:51:34
Speaker
Like if I took every movie I've ever given a three to, this is probably in the lower half of those threes for me.
00:51:41
Speaker
But I still, I still stand by three.
00:51:43
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:46
Speaker
Well, our ratings are consistent, as I will be one bucket less at two.
00:51:52
Speaker
I give it two buckets.
00:51:53
Speaker
And the reason that it's not zero buckets is because of that first part of the movie.
00:51:57
Speaker
I really...
00:52:00
Speaker
You know, it had me in the first half and it just let me down everything else.
00:52:05
Speaker
And, you know, it's sad because I had never seen this movie before.
00:52:10
Speaker
For some reason, it felt like it was culturally popular and important when I was growing up and I was never part of it.
00:52:15
Speaker
And so I was excited to finally, now that I'm, you know, decades older, become a part of that.
00:52:21
Speaker
And it started and I was like, wow, this is exceptional.
00:52:23
Speaker
This is really, really good.
00:52:25
Speaker
I understand why people are talking about this.
00:52:27
Speaker
This is cool.
00:52:28
Speaker
It's different.
00:52:29
Speaker
it's kind of aggressive in the way that it comes at you with its difference.
00:52:35
Speaker
And then I like the direction that it moves.
00:52:37
Speaker
And that is 100% what I was thinking about it.
00:52:39
Speaker
And I really enjoyed it.
00:52:41
Speaker
And then it totally switched up on me.
00:52:43
Speaker
And I didn't really like anything else that followed.
00:52:45
Speaker
And the action even became increasingly generic.
00:52:48
Speaker
And everything that I liked about it just was taken away from.
00:52:52
Speaker
uh so those two buckets are for like the first part of the movie up until the point where he stops the bank heist and then like in my brain i just need a way for him to like end the movie there and then we'll just forget the rest half because that that first part i i like if it was just that part of the movie i'd be the five buckets all the way in like five big buckets but everything else takes it away sadly
00:53:17
Speaker
Yeah, certainly the lowest rated movie that we've done so far.
00:53:22
Speaker
I don't think it will be by the end of this the lowest rated movie that we have, but could you say you don't like I Am Legend?
00:53:32
Speaker
That's exactly what I'm saying.
00:53:35
Speaker
Spoiler alert.
00:53:37
Speaker
You know, one thing, too, before we close this out, you know, as...
00:53:43
Speaker
You know, early back or as close as 2020, Charlize Theron did say that she would be interested in a sequel to this movie because there were there was major talks about it and it just continued to stall out.
00:54:01
Speaker
They had hired script writers, but, you know, she said that she would have liked to have explored that.
00:54:07
Speaker
you know, this universe and they had ideas for it.
00:54:10
Speaker
Will Smith said the same thing.
00:54:11
Speaker
And, you know, for everything that does get a sequel, I am really surprised, you know, even though the ratings weren't great, again, 628 million back in 2008, it made it the fourth highest grossing movie at that time.
00:54:29
Speaker
Movies like that get sequels every day.
00:54:32
Speaker
So I was surprised that this did not get one.
00:54:34
Speaker
That's true.
00:54:36
Speaker
Yeah, wow.
00:54:36
Speaker
This was really financially successful.
00:54:40
Speaker
So $150 million budget.
00:54:43
Speaker
Dang.
00:54:43
Speaker
So... If there was ever a time to re-explore this and put out a sequel of some kind, I'd watch it.
00:54:53
Speaker
I think there's enough intrigue in some of the things they could do.
00:54:58
Speaker
I'd love to see...
00:55:01
Speaker
would Hancock and Mary be able to stay away from each other?
00:55:05
Speaker
Is there, is there something to that connection where they're just drawn like magnets and they can't help themselves, but be together?
00:55:12
Speaker
And what would that really look like?
00:55:16
Speaker
You know, cause it does seem like Mary truly does care for Ray.
00:55:18
Speaker
So that could be compelling in a sequel if we ever got one, but I think at this point it's safe to say that ship has sailed.
00:55:24
Speaker
Although they waited like what, 15 years in between matrix movies.
00:55:28
Speaker
So yeah,
00:55:29
Speaker
You know, how long did they wait between Jurassic Park and Jurassic World?
00:55:32
Speaker
So I guess maybe I won't say I will never say never.
00:55:37
Speaker
Zombieland, Bill and Ted, Dumb and Dumber.
00:55:41
Speaker
Like, yeah, there's there's been some huge gaps in between, you know, sequels, but.
00:55:49
Speaker
I think the thing that really works against this one is obviously everything that's going on with Will Smith right now.
00:55:59
Speaker
I think if this were to be a sequel, this would have to be one of those.
00:56:03
Speaker
It's a Netflix, a Paramount Plus.
00:56:06
Speaker
It's one that was created by one of those studios to come out on streaming.
00:56:12
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:13
Speaker
As studios, as streaming services fight for, I don't want to say relevancy, but to have exclusive content that people need to subscribe to their service specifically to get, you could see that if there was enough.
00:56:25
Speaker
I mean, Netflix has certainly bought the rights to shows that were being canceled by other people.
00:56:33
Speaker
Yeah, Lucifer.
00:56:35
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:35
Speaker
I mean, think how many years we, it was between, um, Indiana Jones, the last crusade and the upcoming, uh, movie.
00:56:42
Speaker
I mean, it's been.
00:56:44
Speaker
Been here.
00:56:44
Speaker
How many, I mean, 30, 35 years because nothing happened in between that, that we acknowledge the existence of.
00:56:50
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:52
Speaker
Literally.
00:56:52
Speaker
I mean, hey, they could do it.
00:56:54
Speaker
Matt just had a review that I was listening to, Puss in Boots, The Last Wish.
00:56:57
Speaker
Like 11 years later, I just released an episode on it.
00:57:01
Speaker
So, you know, it can happen.
00:57:02
Speaker
And maybe that time is what people need to get new ideas.
00:57:07
Speaker
Because I've here's the interesting thing that I said.
00:57:10
Speaker
I don't know how successful a sequel would be.
00:57:13
Speaker
And I don't know how if this is going to make sense to anybody but me and the way my brain's thinking about it.
00:57:19
Speaker
But this is always interesting for me to look at on Letterboxd.
00:57:22
Speaker
So you can see like the overall average rating for Letterboxd and also how many fans.
00:57:29
Speaker
how many fans the movie has.
00:57:30
Speaker
And a fan is just considered somebody who puts this movie in their top four on their profile.
00:57:35
Speaker
And so like the movies that we were reviewing, Men in Black and Independence Day, Men in Black is 3.6, Independence Day is 3.3, I'm Legend 3.3, you know, like all within that three range.
00:57:46
Speaker
Hancock's at 2.7, not far off.
00:57:50
Speaker
You know, a lot of three star ratings.
00:57:52
Speaker
Only has 43 fans.
00:57:53
Speaker
43.43.
00:57:56
Speaker
Men in Black, I Am Legend, and Independence Day all have in the 500s to 600s.
00:58:02
Speaker
I don't know what you want to do with that data, but I feel like this is a movie that has been forgotten to some extent.
00:58:13
Speaker
It was successful, but I don't see people talking about it anymore, and I wonder...
00:58:21
Speaker
Well, we're not paying for the movie, the sequel, but I'm just curious how relevant it could be if it were to come back or if people would be like, oh yeah, that was a thing, and then just never watch it.
00:58:32
Speaker
Yeah, great point.
00:58:34
Speaker
But who knows?
00:58:35
Speaker
There's a reason that I'm not a producer in Hollywood.
00:58:40
Speaker
Could be, but who knows?
00:58:42
Speaker
Who knows?
00:58:43
Speaker
Maybe we pitch it.
00:58:46
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This is our first pitch to Hollywood is the sequel to Hancock.
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All right.
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Well, that will do it for our review of Hancock.
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Certainly a surprise.
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I was surprised rewatching this and going, oh, it's definitely not what I remember because I did...
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remember liking this movie when I first saw it so I was surprised to go back watch it and and have the feelings that I did about it but you know I I still enjoyed the fact that I I got to re-see it and you know formulate the opinion that I now have on it so Rob
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We have got a couple more things coming up here for the month of January.
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I'll let you talk about that.
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And then Harrison for listeners, I will let you cause boy, you, you, you've got a pipeline coming up for, for the basement bench.
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So Rob, tell listeners what we've got still coming in January.
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lots of great stuff coming in january we continue on with our will smith marathon uh we've got i am legend coming out uh which i'm very excited to go back and revisit because i think there's a lot of great stuff there um for those of you who are into post-apocalyptic kinds of adventures uh we will continue to review the last of us and i want to welcome any listeners who are checking this episode out after our initial breakdown
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from the launch episode on the 15th.
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That show is going to it's drawing buzz like I can't even begin to describe.
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It's everywhere.
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Everybody you know is talking about this.
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Every place that you read news or entertainment information, people are talking about this show.
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So it's on HBO Max.
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Highly encourage it.
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It's my favorite video game of all time.
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And I'm very excited about what's going to happen.
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Love being able to break that down.
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So if you are joining us after checking that out for the first time, I want to say welcome and invite you to check out the rest of the content up and down the channel.
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But we have breakdowns coming out, should be available every Monday morning.
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We're going to record Sunday night immediately after the episode.
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Hmm.
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you'll be able to listen to it on your way to school or work or whatever you happen to be doing.
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Um, so look for that for this entire first season.
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By the time that wraps up, bam, we are just still talking about Pedro Pascal because we are going right into Mando season three.
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Cannot wait for that.
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Um, that's going to be a lot of fun too, but, uh, we've got, I am legend coming out next week.
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And then, uh, to cap off Will Smith month, it'll, uh,
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It'll end like a slap in the face.
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It's going to be wild, wild west.
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We are going to force ourselves to watch this garbage and try to find something to say about it that isn't just, wow, that was terrible.
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It's going to be difficult, but we will see if we can accomplish that task.
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Harrison, what do you got coming for the basement binge?
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Yeah, I have lots of things coming.
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Before I tell you about that, though, I just have to say, if you have not...
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if you are coming from the last of episodes, I'm so glad you're here.
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Uh, stay here at Matt goes to the movies.
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It's great.
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Uh, if you are one of the listeners who are here and not listen to the last of us, and you're not watching the TV show like myself, cause I don't subscribe to HBO max.
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Um,
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Listen to the episode.
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And also Harrison's not good with scary things.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That didn't have to do me dirty, Rob.
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Nonetheless, you should listen to the episode.
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They are really, really good.
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In fact, I was shoveling the driveway with snow.
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It's been snowing here a lot in Utah.
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I was like, I need to get through this somehow.
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So I started to listen to that episode and then I intentionally shoveled slower so I could listen to the whole thing because it was that good.
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So definitely go listen to that episode.
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But over on the Basin Binge, we are going the exact opposite direction of scary things and we're talking about animated movies.
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You know, because maybe I'm just a child.
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Not me.
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Unless you're reviewing Bambi because that opens up pretty graphic.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's pretty awful.
01:02:57
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Yeah, that might be my limit.
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We'll have to test.
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Yeah, animated.
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I feel like there's a bunch of Disney movies that open up with somebody dying, like in a horrible, terrible way.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Yeah, that's why they're not on the list.
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They're all not there.
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So yeah, Animation Hall of Fave number three is happening at the Basin Binge.
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Just a yearly thing at the beginning of the year where I go back and review animated movies that I love or try and find some new ones to love because I really enjoy the format of animation.
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That is starting out with Puss and Boots The Last Wish, which is being released tomorrow.
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So if you're listening to this, it's probably already released.
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And Matt and Robin are going to be joining me for some other episodes, Pixar, Studio Ghibli, DreamWorks, some great films that I'm excited to review.
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And...
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Also getting excited for Creed coming out March.
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So kind of end of February, begin March, going to be doing a binge of the Creed series in anticipation for that.
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So some fun things happening, but I am, I'm very excited for the Mandalorian and I'm excited to continue to listen to your last of us episodes.
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Are I'm drawing a blank.
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Were you doing the movie Coco?
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I was not, but maybe I should.
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That was a good one.
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That was one of my faves.
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But yeah, no, I'm excited to hear those episodes and be a part of a couple of them and yeah, get together for Mando because...
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Boy, that looks awesome.
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It looks I I don't know.
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We've said it before, but there's just for me when Star Wars is good, there's nothing like it.
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Like nothing gives me that high like good Star Wars.
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We'll see if it continues.
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I was going to say one last thing.
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If you are a great listener of Magos the Movies and you would like to come listen to The Basin Binge, I have a great episode for you.
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I reviewed I'm Legend previously like a year ago and did not like it.
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And at the end of that episode, promised to revisit it eventually and see if it could redeem itself.
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So if you want to join this redemption arc, go listen to that episode on The Basin Binge in anticipation for the next episode here at Magos the Movies because...
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I don't know, maybe maybe we're going to have a redemption arc of our own because Hancock couldn't do it good enough.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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I mean, and way back then.
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We weren't even a thought in your mind.
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No, not at all.
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I didn't even know you guys existed.
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Yeah.
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You like came in like Charlize Theron and had to introduce yourselves.
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We, we, we, we came in and threw you through a wall.
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Exactly.
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You know?
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So, but, uh, listeners, thank you so much for joining us.
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Uh, you know, we continue to look forward to bringing you new movie reviews, uh, giveaways, uh,
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And so much more.
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And we will see you very soon at Matt goes to the movies.