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Speaker: Hello, Delaigo! It's been what? How many weeks? Three weeks? Yeah, I think three weeks, yes. Excuse me, boss. How long have you been here?
Speaker: we've been very busy at work guys we're so sorry we've been very busy the past few weeks but we're here now and we're so happy to be back
Speaker: Are we, are we home? I am, I'm happy now, but I'm happy. A bit tired. Yeah, we are. But that's the reality of life. We are always going to be tired and if we wait for us to not be tired to make a recording, we'll never get another episode out.
Speaker: But yeah. Hi guys. Long time no here. No here. See now and see. So how have you been, Dariel, for the past three weeks? Three weeks. How have you been for the past three weeks?
Speaker: I'm happy that I'm having an over time. I'm happy that I'm having an over time. After work, I'm happy that I'm having an over time. But at the same time, I'm happy that I have more money.
Speaker: I don't know how to say it, but I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it today. I don't know how to say it today. I don't know how to say it today. I don't know how to say it today. I don't know how to say it today. I don't know how to say it today.
Speaker: I don't know, but I don't know if it's true or not. I don't know, but I don't know if it's true or not. I don't know if it's true or not. I don't know if it's true or not. I don't know if it's true or not. I don't know if it's true or not. I don't know if it's true or not. I don't know if it's true or not. I don't know if it's true or not.
Speaker: Our listeners, most of our audience is working millennials. So our topic for this episode is going to be about... Drum roll, please. About burnout. Yay! And this is...
Speaker: Is this thing on? The podcast. For our first question. I don't have our first question. Okay, so that's a comment. He didn't know. He didn't know is our current.
Speaker: employment. I think let's talk about our overall experience with life. With life, it doesn't really have to be about work because burnout doesn't just come from work, it can come from, it generally comes from work, right? Other things can be factors.
Speaker: Anyway, so what's your most recent experience? What's your most recent experience?
Speaker: I think it's hard to work with someone who doesn't know me, but I think it's hard to be with someone who doesn't know me, or who doesn't know me, or who doesn't know me, or who doesn't know me, or who doesn't know me, or who doesn't know me, or who doesn't know me, or who doesn't know me.
Speaker: Just to clarify, I'm the most recent employer, right? I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know,
Speaker: or we can't have a word for it, but it's not necessary for you. So we can't have a word for it. Oh my God, we can't have a meeting with them. We can't have a meeting with them. We can't have a meeting with them. It's so fucked up. Question. We can't have a meeting with them. We can't have a meeting with them.
Speaker: But before we google, we throw our theories.
Speaker: And then your mental presence more. So it makes me energy in using your alertness. Being alert while not having to be alert.
Speaker: I'm not sure, we're all of that. Yeah. Yeah. Because I understand the importance of meetings and having to be there
Speaker: But if you think about it all the time, it can be quite exhausting. So apparently, you know, there's a lot of fatigue at home. There's a lot of emotional effort at home to appear interested. You think so? I think so too. I think so too. You think so too? I think so too. I think so too. I think so too.
Speaker: like um because in the meetings that I have in my current work they are meetings I really uh have to attend because they're relevant in those meetings but even even though
Speaker: I don't want to blame myself entirely.
Speaker: Let me explain. I'm right here. So, share cola. Sorry. I know that I'm clinically diagnosed. Nor do I recommend self -diagnosing. Just to keep that clear. Just let me disclaimer. My disclaimer is that I'm being responsible. But I have followed a lot of articles and I have read on it.
Speaker: And I think I may have ADHD. Okay. And yes, I am planning to go to, you know, to professionals, to medical professionals to see if it is. But right now, I have financial capacity to have myself clinically diagnosed, but I really, I'm positive that I have the science of
Speaker: an adult having ADHD. And the thing with ADHD is, I have found a workaround for that. So in the meetings, I take down notes. Now this is again, energy. Exhausting. Yeah. Yes. It does better for me because at least your energy
Speaker: At least make information on your work. I saw virtual meetings more, right? Yes, virtual meetings. I'm not sure.
Speaker: Oh Navan! Oh Navan, we will be asking each other for a group chat. We will be asking each other for a group chat. We will be asking each other for a group chat.
Speaker: We try, of course. It's our responsibility as the people working. Of course, we're being paid for that to attend these meetings. And they're important.
Speaker: I'm not going to be good employees. I'm not going to be good employees. I'm not going to be good employees. I'm not going to be good employees. I'm not going to be good employees. I'm not going to be good employees. I'm not going to be good employees. I'm not going to be good employees. I'm not going to be good employees. I'm not going to be good employees. I'm not going to be good employees. I'm not going to be good employees. I'm not going to be good employees. I'm not going to be good employees. I'm not going to be good employees.
Speaker: I love my work so much, so I'm going to burn out right now. But I'm not going to burn out the previous companies.
Speaker: Um, I thought I, in the career of valves, uh, couldn't worry. He came in young beginning of the report mode. I was in my micromanage car to the end, uh, set end of day, Kayla and report.
Speaker: I actually just had burnout I think last week. My teammates are great and my bosses are great. My supervisor is great.
Speaker: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker: I don't know how to do it, because I don't know how to do it, because I don't know how to do it, because I don't know how to do it, because I don't know how to do it, because I don't know how to do it, because I don't know how to do it, because I don't know how to do it.
Speaker: I was the one who volunteered to do those overtimes because I wanted to.
Speaker: We are like inflation, everything.
Speaker: It's so expensive now. I don't think so. For the record, wait. Sing it. For the record.
Speaker: Well, it's happening worldwide. Even if though, even if... Yeah, there are things that can be done to bring the prices not that high. But yeah, going back, going back. Yeah, going back. So because the prices are so high and I have mouths to feed, you know, started in school. So I have to
Speaker: I have to not just earn, but also be present for my children going to school. So even just the mental and emotional pressure. My kids are going to school. I don't want to become that mom. Just being present for them, just bringing them to school, asking them how school was. I wanted to become that mom because that's how
Speaker: I think parents should help. My parents were helping me through school. So I wanted to be that for my children. Aside from working as the kids going to school.
Speaker: And that's why I'm a factor. I don't know how to do it, I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it.
Speaker: You don't feel rested at all. That's your emotional well -being, your mental well -being. You're just exhausted. And that's what I have. I'm still feeling that right now, actually. That's what I've been feeling. It's very difficult.
Speaker: This is their first year at school. This is their first year at school. And they would be going to school every year.
Speaker: For the rest of this. For the rest, like from now, right? Yeah. And that's how many years, how many years, I know. 12 years in high school, right? Because it's 12, until high school. Oh. 12 and then. Plus four of college. Plus four of college, if every day. They would want that, yeah. So that's like 16. Yeah. 16 years.
Speaker: That's a lot of advice. He should have just gotten cut in kittens. It hit me. It hit me. Oh no. Oh no.
Speaker: as much as I am excited for them because it can be both the money you know like emotions can be are so complex that it doesn't mean you're not excited that you're not also dreading it you're also not like I'm excited for them because they're gonna be finally learning
Speaker: growing up. But at the same time, your responsibility is going to be as a mom. It's more. It's not like the previous years. As long as they can play, as long as they're fed and they're clothed. This year, this is going to be like moving forward.
Speaker: Like, for more than a decade. Holy shit. I should be just happy. I should be just happy for my children. I should be excited.
Speaker: Why don't you feel like I want to run away from this? And I felt so guilty because of it. And I felt like I didn't want to burn out. I didn't want to have a mental state because my internal voice was like berating me for being... What was it saying? Bitch, you a bad mom. What the fuck?
Speaker: what and then the other voice like girl run away oh my god this is the one responsibility like you haven't even lived your life ganer you have to have so much privilege though yeah i know i don't have that privilege i know also you have to have that much privilege and not super low empathy
Speaker: to be able to pull that off. But I was trying to overwhelm myself. I sat down with my feelings. I sat down with my emotions.
Speaker: And I was like, why am I feeling this way? Why do I feel like I want to run away from this? When I know now, I've been a mom for what, six years already. I know this was coming. I know this is going to happen. I was excited for this. Why do I want to run away from it? Is it because what is it? Is it the financial burden? What is it?
Speaker: So Parang, as I was sitting with those emotions and thoughts and I was trying to process them, what I found out while, you know, talking to myself, be honest with myself.
Speaker: was okay, so I feel this way because number one, the financial burden and the burden of, let's not call it burden, let's call it responsibility, the responsibilities of having to fulfill these needs for my family, not just financial, but also being there, being present for them, not just physically, but also emotionally, but also intellectually.
Speaker: I understand the repercussions of not being there for your children. They will carry that until they grow up. That's going to affect them. That's going to affect how they perform in school.
Speaker: And how they perform in school is going to affect them for the rest of their lives. It's going to affect them one day or another. And they're going to bring it until they grow up. So that responsibility kind of overwhelmed because I was so scared of fucking it up. And there was a part of me that was saying, girl, you're not ready. You're going to fuck it up. And you're going to fuck these kids up in the process. It's going to be your fault.
Speaker: that your child will not learn how to write because you're not there with him. So I was so overwhelmed with that. It scared me.
Speaker: That was another layer was now that I have started to work, I have started to regain back my life, being able to have the freedom to go out, to go visit my friends, to get back what I've missed for the first years of my adulthood. I became a mom right away. I was never really able to explore.
Speaker: or enjoy my early 20s. So now that I'm working, I already have the financial capability of doing that again. So I was able to do that for the past two years.
Speaker: while i was working and now now that the routine has changed i can no longer do that so that also scared me now i'm like but oh my god anything that you do to constrain my freedom will really freak me out yeah so that freaked me out now but oh no i can no longer have a life anymore get on so
Speaker: That depressed me too. So that exhausted me so much, thinking about all of those things. And all of those things were constantly in my head. They're like voices. I can never get a moment of peace where I just go to sleep and everything is quiet. No, my brain is just...
Speaker: with all of these things, all of the time. And it's so tiring because your brain is constantly like, you know, thinking. So that caused my burnout. Sorry, that was a lot. That was a lot for burnout. That was a lot.
Speaker: How about you? How about you? I just explained it. You know, I'm a boring single person. No, you're not boring. Okay, for a single person, how do you feel burnout? Like, how do you know that, oh my God, this is already burnout.
Speaker: So previous work burned out. So I think it's not because currently I don't feel burned out at work. Yes. Yeah. I love my company. I work with a very ideal team right now. Yes, that is true. But previously, I love my company. So I've burned out a lot of companies. But I manifest physiologically.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah, I get to say this because it's because of
Speaker: It's because of stress. You're losing hair. You are getting all these kinds of shit on your face. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it.
Speaker: I don't know how to say it, but I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it, but I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it, but I don't know how to say it.
Speaker: I don't know if it's a bad thing. Of course.
Speaker: I don't know if you guys know what I'm talking about. I don't know what I'm talking about. That's normal. It's capitalism killing you. It did not just happen to me. It was a special psychological issue.
Speaker: Oh my god, this kid is, you know, being stressed at work.
Speaker: There are a lot of people working harder. They get less. It's true. It's such a sad feeling to think a lot of people would hustle to get up early.
Speaker: I don't know, I'm going to meet you in China. I've never been to Japan before. I've never been to Japan before. I've never been to Japan before. I've never been to Japan before. I've never been to Japan before. I've never been to Japan before. I've never been to Japan before. I've never been to Japan before. I've never been to Japan before. I've never been to Japan before. I've never been to Japan before.
Speaker: I would like to thank you so much for your support. For 2018, I thank you so much.
Speaker: But that was our work. We had a lot of work to do. But the instructions said that we were going to have to go to a venue somewhere there. But we had a lot of instructions. That's why we had a lot of work to do. That's why we had a lot of work to do. We had a lot of work to do.
Speaker: To the point, I'm not a corporate attire. To mention, I applaud her so much. I look up to her.
Speaker: I think corporate, I don't know, vest, high skirt. It's like an office outfit. No, I don't know. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I
Speaker: Just for the listeners' context. At least.
Speaker: Big boys, boys, boys, boys, boys, boys.
Speaker: And we are actually privileged. Now we are working from the comfort of our home. Yeah.
Speaker: But a lot of Filipinos are, and not to mention the time that you spend commuting is not even paid. And you don't have a decent transportation. It's so tiring to think of. I feel sad. I feel grateful for my situation.
Speaker: You know, I have this privilege of working from home, but I already feel burnt out. I don't even have to wake up early to get to work. I just have to literally wake up on time.
Speaker: And we still feel burned out. And we still feel burned out. And we still feel burned out. And we still feel burned out. And we still feel burned out. And we still feel burned out. And we still feel burned out. And we still feel burned out. And we still feel burned out. And we still feel burned out.
Speaker: I wonder how burned out is it for them. I wonder how burned out is it for them.
Speaker: Hindi will work hard enough. Because they are. Yeah. Oh my god, super fucked up. They are. It's so sad now. Madam is not a long way of thinking.
Speaker: My success story is from other Filipinos who became entrepreneurs. But not everyone has
Speaker: the capability to do that. Does that mean that they deserve a life of discomfort, or they don't deserve to have a livable, a quality way of living Kumbaga? It's very hard to still see.
Speaker: I don't go with nothing as a regular citizen. Change has to happen from the top down. Not from the bottom up. Who has the power to do change as a transportation system? Nothing. And all those other things.
Speaker: Not the regular citizens, and that's not their job. Our job is to make sure that the people who are in authority, who have the power to do that, actually do their jobs to hold those people accountable. It's not our job to make excuses for our government and say, they're trying their best. Are they though? Are they? I think they can do better.
Speaker: I think they can do better. The citizens do not deserve this. I would say. But then again,
Speaker: I can say more but I will choose not to say any more. Okay let's go back to our topic of burnout. So I have a follow -up question for you because say you talk about you talk about the physiological manifestations.
Speaker: of burnout, of stress for you. So that's with your hair, with your skin. How about mentally and emotionally? How does it affect you? How do you know that you've already reached burnout?
Speaker: So before it manifests physiologically, I couldn't sleep because I would think about work.
Speaker: Yeah. Sleeping. Like, I have to do these things. So, my checklist of whatever. Emotionally, like my manifesting. To the point.
Speaker: So for social life, stop doing that. So for social life, stop doing that.
Speaker: I think it's important to know that you're feeling good at the end of the day, and you're getting dysfunctional as a person, not washing dishes, not cleaning the house. And those things also affect, you know, they add another layer to your stress, you see? Yeah, because
Speaker: Fucking job. It's a fucking job. It's because of it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker: What do you do? What do you do? What do you do? What do you do? What do you do?
Speaker: What do I do know? There are several ways to handle burnout, as I have known. I've also researched, yes. And also asked people, like good friends and colleagues and, you know, wise people, that wise. And how they handle burnout, first is, of course, to acknowledge that this is burnout.
Speaker: You have to realize that you are being burned out. How would you get out of that? How will you recover if you don't... If you just keep on going and burning yourself out even more. First you have to... Wait a minute. You have to stop.
Speaker: No, not really stop. I mean, what I mean is take a pause and think. Okay, so I am feeling burned out. What do I do next? The thing that comes with burnout is you're also overwhelmed. So sometimes you don't even know where to start, where to stop. Because everything is just overwhelming, you know?
Speaker: What I did was, because my body already shut down. That's the amazing thing with our bodies. If you don't let it rest, it will rest for you. It will force you to rest.
Speaker: You will feel it. You will feel it in your physical body. So, I guess you start from listening to your body. Because if you don't listen to your body, you'll be like, this is fine, this is fine. You'll end up in a worse situation. Yeah, yeah. What I did was, at first I didn't listen to my body. I just like...
Speaker: And then my body gave up. So my body gave up. So my body gave up. So my body gave up. So my body gave up. So my body gave up. So my body gave up. So my body gave up. So my body gave up. So my body gave up. So my body gave up. So my body gave up. So my body gave up. So my body gave up. So my body gave up.
Speaker: mental well -being more right and emotional. So along with giving your body rest, like sleep and water and eat, you have to eat. I found out. Because I was like, nah, I'm a big girl. It's fine. I'm gonna, you know, I have...
Speaker: I don't want to go to the hospital once a day
Speaker: I don't know what to say. I don't know. I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say.
Speaker: Like, total nourishment. I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it.
Speaker: It's going to give up on you whether you like it or not. I had no choice but to sit down and you know assess and acknowledge the emotions and the feelings like whatever was happening in my brain for it to stop buggering me and to
Speaker: to assess what's causing all this anxiety. Burnout for me came with anxiety as well and with depressive dips.
Speaker: anxiety also has a way of paralyzing you like you're so scared to fuck up so your brain chooses to not do anything anymore because that's how it rationalizes them okay I'm not gonna fuck up if I don't do anything and in doing that it leads up to fuck ups so you cannot not do anything you know
Speaker: I manage it by sitting down with it and figuring out where is this anxiety coming from. It's hard to do by yourself. So talking to someone helps, because if you hear it, literally hear it.
Speaker: It helps. It helps you unravel. The way I see it, it's like so many balls of yarns tangled together. So for me to unravel that, I talk to someone. That's how it helps me. I told one of my
Speaker: And luckily she's also my boss. I told her that I feel burnt out. And I'm lucky because she's also a mom so she knows where I'm coming from.
Speaker: She understands what it is and what it feels like. And she gave me very sound advice, very practical advice on how to deal with burnout. So what she told me was compartmentalize the things that you have to do. You're so overwhelmed with all the things that you have to do.
Speaker: You identify which things you are able to ask help from others. You can delegate to others. What are the things that you want to do yourself? I think her point was reach out to people who can help you. I think that's more of the practical side of how to get back on track.
Speaker: And I think it also helps to physiologically work on it, like get like a lot of sleep and exercise, I guess. Exercise, yes. The exercise is actually a privilege. Absolutely. Not a lot of people. Going to the gym is, yes.
Speaker: Yeah, time and all the emotional effort, that's okay. If Kaya, please do exercise.
Speaker: We are actually learning a lot
Speaker: I am learning these things and sharing them as I go. I'm not saying, okay, do this. I have tried this and I got my shit together. No. We don't have our shit together. The reason why I'm sharing this is I think maybe somebody who can hear this might help them. So let's try it together.
Speaker: How can we prevent burnout? I guess it's the last question. Do you think we can ever prevent burnout? Yeah, actually, I don't know. I think it's possible that you're being overwhelmed by what makes you so tired. But since we are in the conversation of how we can avoid it,
Speaker: literally set expectations with ourselves of how limitations yeah also limitations expectations and limitations not I think next week is going to be a very hard week because this and that and this and that come on or the next
Speaker: So for the next 16 years, I am expecting that I will have to do this and that. Accept that it's okay. It's okay and you can do it. And take it one step at a time.
Speaker: Sometimes, because when you think, for example, for me, when I thought about it, when I thought about it, I realized that
Speaker: Okay, I have to think about that. Yes. I have to plan about that. Yes. Is this the right time to plan about it? Maybe not. Let's find another time when we are mentally prepared, when we are mentally okay, and we can always circle back to that when we are ready. For now, take it one
Speaker: Day at the time, there's a time to plan and you just need to figure out when that is. So yeah. I was actually anxious on how this recording, I mean, how our podcast would go. I would hate to think that we won't be able to continue it.
Speaker: or at least end it when it's time to end it. What? What? When I was thinking about our podcast, I was thinking about our podcast when I was thinking about our podcast when I was thinking about our podcast when I was thinking about our podcast when I was thinking about our podcast when I was thinking about our podcast when I was thinking about our podcast when I was thinking about our podcast when I was thinking about our podcast when I was thinking about our podcast when I was thinking about our podcast when I was thinking about our podcast when I was thinking about our podcast when I was thinking about our podcast when I was thinking about our podcast when I was thinking about our podcast when I was thinking about our podcast when I was thinking about our podcast
Speaker: Ilha Gay, for all this, yeah. Kaya guys, I know. Hindi din namin, Hindi din namin peenilat mag release nang episode. No Hindi din namin kaya kase ayao namin mag karo nang feelings towards the podcast. It's something that we have to do. Guusul namin maman tena. We will do this when we can because we want to do it. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: I don't know, I'm enjoying the dramatic experience. For example, art jobs.
Speaker: You want it to be something that we will always enjoy doing. Yeah. So again, we thank you so much for your patience and waiting for this episode. And we hope that... We hope that you're burnt out as well.
Speaker: Because if you're not, you're not an adult. I think our parents were burned out. The generation before us were burned out.
Speaker: I wonder how they cooked with it. I know. I think that's a good topic for a different conversation. And with the guests. And with them. Yes. Would you want to? Because I would want to. Let's bring our parents into this podcast. I would love to interview your mom. I would love to interview your mom. No, you don't. I would. I would love to.
Speaker: That would be a very interesting conversation. But yeah, anyway, so, for this episode, and we will see you in the next episode. See you in the next episode. Okay, we will hear you.
Speaker: We will hear you. We will talk to you. We will talk to you in the next episode. So yeah, you can follow us in our social media accounts.
Speaker: Well, in fairness, I'm not sure if you've ever published an episode in the past weeks. I don't know if it's a follow, but I don't know if it's just something interesting or not. Anyway, follow us on our social media accounts on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter.
Speaker: and feel free to interact with us. You can send us a direct message or you can also send us a message anonymous or not through our Google Form link that we will be dropping with the show notes and in the description in our social media posts.
Speaker: Yeah. Anyways, again, thank you so much for joining us in this episode. Once again, my name is Keshe. And I'm Dario. And this is... Is this thing on? The podcast. Bye.
