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S2E3 - The One Where Heckles Dies
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Introduction to the Purple Door Podcast
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Well, hello and welcome to the latest episode of the Purple Door Podcast, a friend's rewatch pod. I am one of your hosts, Alistair, alongside my good friend, Deanne. Deanne, how are you today?
Gym Stories and Personal Anecdotes
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Doing awesome, Al. I just went to the gym with her friend, Hayley, and it was great. We worked out, we had leg days, so my legs are jelly and it's wonderful.
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So when we finish recording this podcast, if you try to get up and fall out your seat, we'll know why. You'll know exactly why. yes there's a chance. I completely get it. Well, good for you for getting up, going to the gym of a Saturday morning.
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That's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah, good for you. Well, let's
Discussing 'The One Where Heckles Dies'
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see. Today, we are revisiting the one where, I'm not sure if it's the one where Mr. Heckles or the one where Heckles dies.
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Just Heckles. That's what I thought. i wrote down Mr. Heckles. That didn't sound right. and And I've been saying Mr. Heckles the whole time. And so it's funny whenever I went and watched it and I was like, oh.
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Like last night I pulled it up on the thing and i I even said to Joseph, I was like, it's not Mr. Heckles, it's Heckles. And I know. Oh, okay. so And I didn't pay enough attention. I think they call him Mr. Heckles.
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But maybe they do just him. Yeah, I didn't think they called him Heckles. I think the girls call him Mr. Heckles. But the boy is like Chandler calls him heckles.
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Just heckles. All right. and Interesting.
Trivia Game: Bamboozled!
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Well, before we get stuck into the episode, as always, let's fire off a round of bamboozled. Why don't you go fast? What have you got for us?
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All right. So why did Chandler dump the first girl like in the episode that he's talking about? An extra point. If you can tell one of the ways he describes this particular feature.
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All right, so we should have preempted this bamboozled with reminding listeners that on our last episode, we had about seven questions the same.
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no! I have half of your question here. So the the answer, I believe, now, of course, like I might have this the wrong person, but I think it's Joan, and she has a huge nose because bats can fly out it.
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Yes, and whenever she leans back, He can see her brain. That's right. My first question was going to be, what does Chandler say flies out of Joan's nose?
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Oh, there you go. Awesome. Awesome. All right. Well, my first question for you now is going to be, what was Mr. Heckle's attorney's name?
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ah That would be my question number five, Buddy Boyle. Buddy Boyle. I thought they said Buddy Boyle. Oh, that's what I said. With a We've got some alliteration happening in there. so that's what I thought, but I Googled it, and it's not a b It's a D. What?
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Oh, my God. you Do I still get points or no? You still get points because I was quite because i wasn't sure, so Googled it see what his name was and because I thought it was Boyle, but it's Doyle with a D. But Buddy Boyle apparently is ah is a character in Monsters, Inc.
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oh my goodness which didn't know so i you know i was thinking is there some weird connection there but then realized it's doyle with the d but you certainly you certainly get the point yes good good yes because we keep track of points here indeed yes no all right what have you got for us all right what two things does rachel want from mr huckle's apartment
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She wants the lamp and the sort of Barbie doll clock. Yes. Yes. But that is not a Barbie at doll.
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No. And we have some feelings on that. to let live We'll discuss. We'll get into these two items later on. All right.
Phoebe's Skepticism and Beliefs
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you You are famed for your numbers questions. This is is sort of a numbers question.
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What was Mr. Heckle's apartment number? Oh. but um bomb Oh, my gosh. Is it 14? That would make more sense.
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It's actually eight. Oh. So if we think about what, you know, the girls' apartment is, what, 20 at this point. Right. I think they've settled on 20. How eight is directly below 20, I don't know.
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But eight it is. Oh, okay. Wow. Yeah. I didn't even notice that. All right, well this is, and and do you wanna hear something? I don't have any number of questions.
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Goodness. Oh, now I do ask you for numbers of things. But right anyway. Anyway, and what is Mr. Traeger eating as they wheel Mr. Heckle's body away?
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I can picture the scene. I cannot picture what he's eating. I'm going to go in honor of Joey with a sandwich. It's a donut. It's donut.
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Yeah, just how ridiculous. He's got his cup of, I imagine, coffee, but who knows what's in that cup. Right. And then he's munching on a donut. good Good for him. I've got soft spot for him.
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I want to call Traeger. I think Joey says Traeger. I never quite know what his name is, but I think he's
Chandler's Existential Fears and Mr. Heckles
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a great character. Yeah, I do too. Yeah, I enjoy when we see him. right i was sweeping yesterday that's right he was that close um why is joey in the big book of grievances oh my goodness what were the grievances that they read from my big book of grievances hiikes um april eighteen um excessive noise and he was bringing home a date that's that's it
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All right, we may have revisit how we do our questions or something. don't know. and I don't know. All right. Name at least two things that Phoebe doesn't believe in.
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Evolution. Of course. And can we say gravity? Because she's under, yeah. She's feeling more pushed down or pushed than pulled down or something.
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Yes, yes. And then also, just for funsies, crop circles and the Bermuda Triangle. That's right. I wouldn't have got those ones.
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I love it. What two things do Heckles and Chandler have in common according to his yearbook? There is a slight third one, but there's two things right on the nose. Okay.
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They are both funny. They both were voted class clown. yeah They both played clarinet. That was it. And Heckles was in the Scal Modeler's Club, but he thinks that's cool. so Yes, that's it.
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That's it. All right. Well, what was the grievance that Chandler got in the big book of grievances for? yeah I should have written that down. What was he in there?
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the only thing I remember is that he writes down Italian guy's gay roommate. Yes. But I don't remember what he did. I don't remember. It was excessive noise.
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Okay.
Product Placement in Friends?
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ah her And bringing home dry cleaning. Oh, that's right. Yes. i should have written it down. All right.
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The broom makes several appearances in this episode. But what color is the handle? Red. It is red. Nice. It is indeed.
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All right. Name four things that were in Mr. Heckle's apartment. Four things. Besides
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the lamp and the clock. this is This is a solid question. So.
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All right.
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There's the screen. the magnifying screen, which we'll talk about. There is, there's a stack of magazines, which we see at the end. I have a question for you about that.
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There is the yearbook. Okay. Feel like that's cheating a bit with yearbook. And this is where I'm going to get stuck. What else is Oh, there's like the model, like the birds or something that Ross is playing with. There we go.
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Yes. Yes. Also, Something else that kept standing out to me was this big cow that was right by the door. That's right, yeah. And that was so weird. And then, yeah, there's so much junk in that apartment. It was awesome.
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All right. Well, I am going to ask you about one of those items. and the final In the final scene in Heckle's apartment, Joey's holding a stack of magazines. We saw the same stack of magazines In Nana's apartment when she died.
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What kind magazines are they? Are they National Geographic? They are indeed. Yes. Well done. Yes. Distinctive yellow magazine. Yes.
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And I wouldn't, I didn't notice that i at all. But I remember getting that question wrong. Right. In Nana's apartment
Ghost Stories and the Supernatural
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in that episode.
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Yes. All right. What brand of jacket is Joey wearing on the second day? He walks in and Chandler's just sitting there n Mr. Huckle's apartment.
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And so him and Joey have this big long exchange and Joey is wearing a certain jacket. This is not the first time you have asked about fashion labels um are labels. I'm going to need to keep an eye on this from now on. I think this the third. Yeah.
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I don't know what that's about. Let's see. I think I'm going to have to go with...
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Would you like a hint? Adidas. We'll go with Adidas. ah Wait, let's have a hint. i A hint. I feel like they must have been a sponsor of some sort for this season or first couple of episodes.
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ah okay. Okay.
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God bless it. I remember this whole conversation about something Rachel was wearing. No? Not that? Okay. It's more recent than that. More recent than that.
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Oh, um Nike. Yes, Ben's shoes. Nike or Nike. That's right. He sure is, though. And so I was like, man, in and the last episode, um they gave Ben's shoes that were Nike's and that was very prominent.
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And then... But sure enough, man, that Nike brand now is like sticking out. But rachel's Rachel's overalls were the Oshkosh Bogosh. Ah, very nice.
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Right. OK, I've got a question for you. And I'm thrilled you haven't asked this because it's my favorite question. Oh, good. Heckles and Chandler's trains are on the same track.
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What's the three stations they stop at? Yes. Oh, gosh. OK, wait. It's Aloneville? Yep. oh god that's the second stop okay um
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dude bitter town yes better town alone bill yep in something junction oh you are you are so you're correct so close
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It's, ah you gave me him the other question. It's, you know, the the name of somebody, the name for somebody who lives alone, perhaps, has always lived alone, doesn't go out much.
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Hermit. Hermit. Yes. There you go. All right. Awesome. Awesome. Golly. I just love those three names. Yes. That line is so funny. All right. All right. You're up.
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All right, what does Chandler predict he will look like or be like whenever he's older as he's becoming like unhinged there at the end? He's got to go get something because what is he going to be?
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Oh, is he going to be Crazy Snake Man? Yeah, he is. Yeah, he is. Run away. Run away, kids. Yeah. It's Crazy Snake Man.
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That's right. All right, and i have I've got two more questions left for you.
Chandler's Relationship Woes
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oh I'm out. You're out? Okay. Well, let's see. I'll do this one first. When Ross walks in with the big briefcase for examples of evolution for TV, what color suit is he wearing?
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Oh, it's tan. It is tan. Like, it's a khaki color. Like, it's a light. Yeah. He looks like like a... cartoon scientist to me. He does. in that Whenever he's walking around in that suit.
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Absolutely. And then my final question, I thought you might ask me this one because it has a number. When the doll clock dances, what time it? It's three o'clock.
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It yeah is three o'clock. That was one of the questions I was going to ask. And then I was like, eh, that one's kind of like obvious. you know It was, but that to me, that was the filler question. Like make it, make them up at the end. It great.
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It was great. So we start this episode off in the girls' apartment, and Chandler is immediately showing that he's ah hes still got lots and lots of issues, this poor old Chandler, because he's breaking up with girls, ladies, for the most ridiculous reasons.
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Yes. This one is poor old Joan. she has Is it a big nose or big nostrils? Big nostrils. it's It's nothing as specific or rude as a big nose.
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You know, it's something random, like what? Which as we'll see later is that, that tracks to a certain type of individual.
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It does. Yeah. But he, yeah, bats could fly at them. You could see her brain when she lent back whatever it was. Yeah. Like just so descriptive. But then Joey starts talking about, he once dated this woman. What did he say when he first moved to the city? Yes.
00:15:15
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Who had a huge Adam's apple. um And I love the looks that they all start giving each other. ahhh um Now, I cannot remember the episode, and I might be wrong, but I think I'm right.
00:15:28
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Later in the series, much later on, he he talks about his Joey's apple because he thinks everyone's his named after themselves. Yes. Yes. So doesn't track completely that he thinks that this person has an Adam's apple.
00:15:42
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Yeah. That is accurate. And I remember that too. But... I don't know. you ever like say things and then you're like, wait a minute, I knew that.
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then Daily. Daily. I mean, I feel like yeah I didn't know if that was just me because, you know, but yeah I do that a lot. and It's like, wait a minute, I do know the answer to that or whatever no it is uh it is i would imagine most people i was going to let me ask you a bamboozled question about this yeah right here because it just um what are they doing whenever chandler walks in and he's like well living and he starts talking about the girl what's everybody else doing
00:16:27
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So I think I'm right and say, are they playing poker? Uh-huh, yeah. Right. I didn't notice it, was I guess I subliminally did, but I thought about it afterwards when I was thinking about the Adam's apple thing. Uh-huh.
00:16:39
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Were they playing poker? A nice little throwback to what, midway through season one? yeah Whatever it was. Yes. Nice to see that that has continued. They were playing some poker.
00:16:51
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and Yeah, I like that. yeah yeah i like that they're playing that together um we're still in the girl's apartment in the next scene but chan was talking about um he or i think he says maybe somebody else says that he broke up with somebody because they didn't like yanni the musician okay i thought he said yawning and i was like that's so random but yanni that Not that any of it makes any sense, but I feel like yawning makes more sense than yawning, which is what I heard. Yeah, if you're going to break up with somebody for an involuntary bodily function, that's that's a new role. I mean, guess you could dislike somebody's musical taste, but yawning would be something else. I'm pretty sure. I think it's yawning. Yeah, no, that that makes sense. Yawning's one of those people I think is more of like a,
00:17:50
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a cultural icon rather than being maybe a great musician. I think everyone knows he plays like the clarinet or the flute or something, ah right? yeah Or saxophone, maybe, maybe all three.
00:18:00
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I've never heard a song of his. i've I don't ah just know that there's this guy who does that. yes well I don't know how he became famous. And I bought my dad, and right and so this will tell you how long ago, but Yanni tapes to listen to in his car.
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So like there are people out there who very much like
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I could have done a whole deep dive on Yanni and told you all about him. Yeah, I know nothing about this guy other than he he seems to be famous in a musical genre all his own.
00:18:43
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Yeah. You know, like I don't get it. I wonder how he became famous. More credit to him. He's obviously done something right. um But yeah, a little deep dive on Yanni. We'll put that on the things that we need to do that we always forget about.
00:18:57
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Oh, I told you I've got a, I started a Google sheet and I'm putting Yanni on it right now. Yeah, we'll need to come up with a fun name for this sheet like we do with Bamboozled and, um you know, Gunther Central Park.
00:19:15
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This sheet, I feel, is going to become very important to us yeah as the years go by. So we'll need to think. Maybe listeners have an idea. this This list needs a name. Yes.
00:19:25
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Not things we will follow up on, which is what it's currently called. rew Right. Something little more catchy would be awesome. let We'll see.
00:19:35
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um Well, after the Yanni thing, Mr. Heckles knocks on the i knocks on the door. Yeah, he does. He knocks on the door. That's right. and accuses them of stomping and disturbing his birds.
00:19:48
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Yeah. Which, you know, I assume this guy is just pretty deranged. He doesn't have birds. I could have birds. But he has a whole bunch of statues of birds.
00:20:00
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He does. Maybe he thinks they're real birds. Maybe.
Mr. Heckles and Chandler's Parallels
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Or maybe. Well, that didn't make sense. Never mind. My thought was, is like, maybe they're shaking.
00:20:12
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the like the birds are faking and so you're disturbing them but it's a good thought as loud as it was i don't know but yeah i mean with the whole i don't have a monkey i could have a monkey like i don't you don't have birds i could have birds yeah he's so yeah doesn't He's just occurred to me when you were saying that. Doesn't he say at some point, like, you're disturbing my oboe practice?
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yeah You don't play the oboe. But he did play the clarinet. Yes. Oh. Yes. You know, kind of just a i can a little connection there. Huh. Yeah, but he accuses them of of disturbing his birds and I guess he's going to go back to his dinner party.
00:20:55
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um Then Chandler starts talking about Janice. Oh, goodness. Give up Janice. Yeah, which I'm thrilled that she will reappear. Yes.
00:21:06
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And then they start, like, imitating her, which was so funny. Yes. it was good i do I've never seen an outtake of that scene, but I imagine there must have this must have taken several takes. Oh, yeah.
00:21:22
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It's just so iconic. no but There's no wing way. There's way they weren't laughing. So funny. Yes. Yeah, but then Mr. Heckle starts knocking on the ceiling with the broom. Yes. I think think is the, is it maybe Monica Stamp, then Monica and Ross? I don't quite remember. Rachel comes over and then they're stomping together and then he's banging and then they both do it a whole lot and then there's nothing.
00:21:47
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and they're like And then they high five each other. And I bet they feel like real jerks later. That's right. When they go down, because in the very next scene, we're kind of in the doorway.
00:21:59
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in the hallway of Heckle's apartment and he's being wheeled out. but Is this the the first appearance of Traeger? I think it might be, but i'm not sure. I didn't look this up.
00:22:10
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I did not look that up either. ah Yeah. He just, it didn't jump out at me that we'd seen him before. No, but like he's such a notable character.
00:22:21
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Like, i I don't know. Huh? Yeah. But again, I just like him. There's an an innocence about him. Just seems like a nice guy. yeah I like the way that he is played.
00:22:35
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But as you said, eating a donut, drinking what we presume is coffee. And could be him. He was just sweeping yesterday. Yeah, man. Could be any one of us. Sweeping. That's a good thing to remember. Just get a robot vacuum.
00:22:52
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That's right. Save lives, get a Roomba. Yeah. Oh, or get the knockoff version, because that's what we have. They're expensive. We had the knockoff version.
00:23:03
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We had it for a long time, but kept getting stuck under the couch, which was really annoying. Yeah. Just our couch was exactly the wrong height to where wouldn't bump into it and leave.
00:23:14
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It would but get its nose under there and then couldn't get back out every time. So we were left with new vacuum or new couch. um I went with the new vacuum. It was a lot cheaper. There you go. Yeah. that Weird.
00:23:28
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Oh, I was listening to another podcast on my way home just a little while ago. And they were talking about how expensive couches are right now. So it's funny that you say it was cheaper because, yeah, why is furniture so expensive? I don't know.
00:23:43
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Yeah, well, if Katie Condren is listening, she just purchased a new couch, our friend Katie, who has contributed to the show once or twice. Yes. Yes, I don't know what she spent on her couch, but I know she spent the day couch shopping a couple of weeks ago. Well, and Katie Condren, she's fancy, so... She is fancy. And she, I think we've discussed this, as as a dog owner myself, I can say she has the world's greatest dog.
00:24:10
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And she sent a picture to our group text of... of her wonderful dog Lucy on the new couch. There you go. Nice. Well, and that's so funny because I almost said you mean Lucy got a new couch.
00:24:22
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but That's right. yeah I think Condren got the couch and Lucy got the ah this big footstool thing that fits her perfectly. I think it's a good arrangement. That's nice.
00:24:34
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good Good Lucy. um Yeah, so we we go back upstairs to the girl's apartment and Phoebe um She's encouraging Hethl to go towards the light. It's just wonderful.
00:24:47
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yeah Let's see. And this is where the whole sort of evolution situation, this B plot of of ross Ross and Phoebe going back and forth really starts, which is interesting. I had a, oddly, last night, a two or three hour conversation with a family member about conspiracy theories.
00:25:11
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just no nobody was convincing anyone of a nut of a certain theory but just what goes around and what is complete nonsense and what you know what could possibly be true and things like that so it's quite interesting that this kind of came up um to today man i love okay so what's your favorite conspiracy theory like the ones that make you go yeah you know maybe so so
00:25:44
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Let's think. It's interesting. I like, and it's not because I believe it anything like that, but you may know this. So the flat earth theory makes me smile because there's a guy who drives around the town where I live, yeah the flat earth guy.
00:26:01
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Yes, I've seen that car. You've seen him? Oh yeah. He's got all sorts of flat earth stuff just like spray painted on this old beaten up car that he drives around and it just makes me smile because if you believe in the flat earth theory you're not hurting anyone so it just makes me smile when I see him drive this car around that's got bits falling off it and I like to think he's like an eccentric millionaire who bought this junked up car so he could spray paint it uh but I don't know I don't know the guy I don't really know what he believes but if I ever see anything about flat earth
00:26:37
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it makes me smile because I think of Denton and I think of this guy driving around and just the eccentric stuff that is just part of the fabric of where where we live.
00:26:48
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Yes. So I would have to say that one, even though it's not one that I necessarily believe. Oh, I don't. I've got no beliefs about Flat Art at all.
00:27:02
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Let me make that abundantly clear. It's so easy. Yeah. excuse oh No, I'm not a flat arthur. Now, one that I could buy into, it's just sort of a general thing, is sometimes we see all this political divide and this party and that party.
00:27:20
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And sometimes I just wonder if people are sitting behind the scenes and it's, you know, they're pretending to be enemies on stage, but really they're clinking their beer glasses together. Oh, yeah.
00:27:31
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Yeah. You know, like that kind of, how much of this is truly just shown? Oh. I don't have a specific idea or a theory, but I just sometimes feel a little, um yeah. Are we just being played by both sides? By the the whatever, 1% or whatever it is. Exactly. Oh, yeah. And then. What about you? What about you?
00:27:55
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Oh, well, now that you bring that up, I mean, i like to think that very much. and But I don't know. I go back and forth about ghosts and things like that because right i I like the idea ah very much of ghosts and supernatural things and alternate universes and stuff like that.
00:28:20
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and Do I really believe it? I don't know that I do, but I really enjoy it. Nice to think about. So I'll give a shout out to a podcast. I think it's been around a long time, but i recently just started listening to called So Supernatural.
00:28:36
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And it just popped up on like my podcast, you know, Podcasts You Might Like. It's pretty good. And they just look into stories and they've done the Loch Ness Monster and they've done kind of Mexican folk tales and all sorts of things. fine And it's just kind of fun.
00:28:54
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um i haven't I've listened to maybe five or six episodes. I don't know exactly where the two hosts land on how much they believe. then um so I just don't know. But it's really interesting nonetheless because i think every episode is based on a true story that involves something supernatural and trying to explore that um a bit. So so supernatural.
00:29:21
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Definitely recommend giving that listen. Okay. and I kind of like the idea of ghosts and spirits and things it's something oddly comforting but again that's that's kind of as far as I've gone with it in my head okay okay so the elementary school that I work at is right next to a graveyard okay and so last year um it was my first year working there And I, there was a PTA meeting that was supposed to be happening that evening.
00:29:55
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so I went a few hours early to like work and set up my office and like capital around, you know? And so I'm working and then I keep hearing this voice. So i was like, Oh, the principal's here. So like, I go out in the hall and I'm like, Hey, I'd like, I'm like, that's weird that she didn't turn on any of the lights.
00:30:14
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No, she's not there. I'm like, that's weird. Yikes. And so I go back into my office and I'm piddling around and then I hear it's a man's face. And I'm like, I don't even know that there are men that work here. Like, what is happening?
00:30:31
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Right. So I like kind of go on a little adventure and I cannot find a soul in this school. And I'm like, golly, creepy. Then I come back and I'm back in my office and Then i I think about the graveyard and I'm like, oh my gosh.
00:30:49
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Well, then one of the new teachers showed up and she was, you know, I let her in the school so she could go and start setting up a room while I tell her about it. And she's like, ah oh my gosh.
00:31:02
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Well, then she comes back and she's like, my dad saw a man. and There's a man here. and I'm like, there is not a man here. There is no man here. and so we go look at it so i called the maintenance and i was like hey or are any of you guys over here no and i'm like that's so weird well anyway then the pta meeting happens and then after the pta meeting the sun's down and i was like i'm out of here like i'm telling the pta moms there's a couple of moms that were like let us see your office so
00:31:40
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We're standing in my office and we're talking and then I was like, y'all, like, I gotta get out of here. Like i am creeped out. And so then they told me a story about over Christmas break the year prior, whenever they were there and somebody came.
00:31:54
Speaker
And so I'm like, ah but then I, of course, obsessed and freak out and I have managed to explain all of it away.
00:32:05
Speaker
like all of it yes all of the things but there's something fun about leaving off the fact that i'm pretty sure the male voice i kept hearing was a walkie-talkie that was dying in the closet between my office and the principal's office and we don't worry about that detail right and then and then that they were working on the cameras over christmas and chances are the guy that they saw that was walking the halls was working on the cameras and had earbuds in.
00:32:37
Speaker
Like, you know, like I can explain it all away, but it's kind of fun to think no. That's what they want you to believe. That's what I'm going with. Right, right. hello That's pretty cool. I've had no supernatural ghostly experiences. Oh.
00:32:55
Speaker
I can remember being terrified as a very young kid. thinking there was something in my room. But, you know, with hindsight, perfectly logical. I know what it was. um What was in your closet?
00:33:11
Speaker
Well, no, it was. um How do I explain this? but so um i I don't know how old I was, but I was very young. And I just remember hearing this sort of almost like a, this sounds creepy, but it's not like a fingernail tapping on glass.
00:33:27
Speaker
It's like a ting ting ting. And I just remember thinking it was some really creepy something or other. okay And I'd have a head under the blankets. And once it was, it was just the light bulb cooling down.
00:33:39
Speaker
Like it was in like a metal shade. okay And it, cause I realized that only happened when it had been on a while and was really hot. And that's where the noise was coming from.
00:33:51
Speaker
Sure, that's what they want you to think. Allegedly. It was really some sort of ghoul tapping his fingernails on the lampshade. But, you know, one thing I did not experience was was the feeling of being pushed down rather than pulled, as Phoebe does. Yes, yes. and great yeah so Well, my favorite was whenever Chandler then he says, it's Isaac Newton and he's pissed.
00:34:19
Speaker
That's right. i Such a good line. Such a good line. I do love that we see Ross, Ross is unhinged Ross, but he doesn't lose his, he doesn't lose
Phoebe vs. Ross: Evolution Debate
00:34:32
Speaker
the plot. He doesn't get like, he gets a little condescending, but he doesn't get mean like we've seen him before.
00:34:38
Speaker
um I feel like Phoebe is just like a puppet on a string. She knows exactly what she is doing here. But yeah, then it's not Isaac Newton at the door. It's Heckle's attorney.
00:34:49
Speaker
um And he you know Mr. Heckles had no family, nobody to leave anything to except for the noisy girls upstairs. Yes, noisy girl one and noisy girl too you go two.
00:35:03
Speaker
Now, was he being mean by doing this or was it perhaps actually he thought they might you know they might find stuff they like? Or what do you think?
00:35:16
Speaker
how How did you read this? i Okay, I could read it either way. I really, truly could because this is a weird dude. He's a weird dude.
00:35:28
Speaker
And that i I mean, it's good. ah the, the saving grace of that is that, um, you know, we didn't take any dark turns or anything like they didn't find correct a pillow full of hair or something random or creepy or weird, you know?
00:35:47
Speaker
um right and so I have no idea. i have no idea. Yeah. what Yeah. I'm not sure I thought about this. Yeah.
00:36:00
Speaker
Go ahead. Sorry. i Yeah. No, no, you're fine. I was just thinking, cause if he knew the place was a dump and then nobody would like it, then maybe he was being mean, but maybe he just thought they might, you know, actually they might find some nice stuff or something they can use.
00:36:18
Speaker
um I don't know. I don't know. Again, listeners, if you want to give us, you know drop us a line on Instagram or Facebook. Was he being nice or was this a a final act of being mean to the noisy girls upstairs?
00:36:32
Speaker
um But Monica thinks that maybe he really did like them until they get into the apartment. The way that they cut that was so funny.
00:36:43
Speaker
yes yes it was great yes and i do love that pretty much immediately we see joey and the the the big screen thing which i ended up googling to figure out maybe you knew what this was i have no idea i thought it was a tv screen but no oh you're 90 of the way there so this is my uh this is my my brand new information deep dive um It's a television magnifier that were available on the market in the forty s and the 50s.
00:37:14
Speaker
um It's essentially a big magnifying glass that you would place in front of your television and it would make the screen bigger. They were a popular solution to the small screen sizes of early televisions and provided a way to enlarge the image for viewers.
00:37:29
Speaker
The magnifiers were often made of plastic or plexiglass and they were filled with a liquid like water or oil to enhance their magnifying effect. And you can still buy them online like vintage ones.
00:37:41
Speaker
Interesting. In two places. Yeah. Yeah. I, I thought maybe it was yeah something related to a television. So it looked it up and yeah sure enough, a television magnifier. Interesting.
00:37:54
Speaker
Huh? Yeah. Kind of a fun thing. ah Um, yeah. So, um, let's see, Ross still wants to argue about the, uh, evolution theory with Phoebe.
00:38:07
Speaker
Um, Like you just can't give it up. I mean, he really does become obsessed about things when he gets his mind on them. Yeah. Um, so I've seen this before, but this is where Chandler finds um the big book of grievances. I love that. It says that on the front of the book.
00:38:23
Speaker
Yeah. Like who did he write that for heckles? Like sure he would have known that it's his book of grievances.
Rachel's Tacky Lamp and Life Confusion
00:38:30
Speaker
Right. Um, but I just love this. It's written there.
00:38:34
Speaker
Um, Yeah, Joey and Chandler both get a mention, one sort of flattering, one sort of not, I guess you could say. Joey certainly likes his mention and Chandler doesn't like his. Right. This is where we we bring up the lamp that Rachel wants.
00:38:52
Speaker
yeah Pretty much the ugliest lamp. um Like in the sense of it's not Rachel's style at all, I don't think. No. Yeah.
00:39:04
Speaker
Yeah, she seems but kind of more modern, more chic. Yes. But she's going through something, like, you know what I mean? She's going through something.
00:39:15
Speaker
So I feel she feel like, you know, maybe if she's trying to figure out her next steps or whatever, something that she wouldn't normally like.
00:39:26
Speaker
Like, maybe perhaps a three-foot-tall random mass. i don't know yeah here of would do that um but you know what i mean so maybe this is just something because like the ugly doll clock like that is so ugly and her hair is ugly like but those are the two things she likes they're so and so ugly and yeah not her style at all so i feel like maybe it's tied specifically to her going
00:40:01
Speaker
through something you might be right and if you didn't listen to last week's episode oh sorry my dog it was two episodes ago yeah i've got couple of very large african mask african inspired masks um that i'm sure i knock off i don't remember where i got them um that have become the unofficial mascots of the show yes so yes sorry there's somebody the door i think that's why lola is barking away um Yeah, she thinks she's done that.
00:40:33
Speaker
um But Rach says she wants the lamp and she and Monica talk about kind of whose apartment it is. Kind of, I don't know if Monica made a mistake or if she was just trying to establish didn't want Rachel taking over with what she sees as tacky decorations.
00:40:49
Speaker
I think, I don't know, i'm not we're not sure quite of the timeframe, I suppose, but I think it is Monica's apartment and Rachel kind of rents a room. there i see I see both sides of it, but it is Monica's apartment.
00:41:02
Speaker
it was for years before Rachel moved in. Right. It's not like they signed the lease together, but
Monica and Rachel's Apartment Dynamics
00:41:12
Speaker
I'm not sure. How do you feel about that? Like, is it theirs or or who is it that right or wrong or is there no right and wrong?
00:41:19
Speaker
I mean,
00:41:27
Speaker
I've been in a situation right where I owned a house and I had roommates and it didn't bother me.
00:41:38
Speaker
Like you just put your stuff wherever, you know, you live here. You live here. So it's great. um Yeah. So I think that's, that's, but Monica's so OCD, like.
00:41:56
Speaker
Right. I don't know. But and on that same token, I mean, Rachel knows that Monica is so OCD. So yeah, she's not likely to just let her let her is a weird thing to say, but be fine with a random lamp. She doesn't like in the middle of the living room.
00:42:17
Speaker
Right. Yeah. she She knows that about Monica. Um, And then Ross is still going on about evolution and the opposable thumbs where he's got those two little toys. I don't know what those are called, but i remember those. Yeah.
00:42:31
Speaker
And they like bend over and yeah. I do love when Phoebe kind of pushes back talking about the overlords and the spacecrafts may have made them, um, you know, a great argument. And she just basically says to Ross, can't we just kind of agree to disagree?
00:42:48
Speaker
Like she doesn't want to keep talking about this. She's okay with people having different views than she has. But Ross, Ross certainly is not. And this is where Joey finds Heckle's yearbook and Chandler realizes that this could be his future.
00:43:04
Speaker
If he doesn't do something, he could end up being a Mr. Heckle's. Yeah. And then he bings the ceiling and then he chucks the broom down.
00:43:16
Speaker
um Such a funny moment. yes um but yeah he's um yeah determined he leaves not sure where he's going but right before he leaves yeah hits the ceiling oh i think he knew exactly where he was going he was going to go to call janice what oh wait that's what i was thinking but no because then it moves on to the next day and he's sitting there on heckle's couch and that's before he goes and calls her
00:43:50
Speaker
I wonder if that is, I may have forgotten to write that down or if that's a scene that I don't have that you have. um Because I scribbled down in my notes that that's when Chandler walks into his apartment and calls James.
00:44:05
Speaker
Then you wouldn't have even been able to get the answer to my bamboozled question about the Nike jacket. Because there's a whole, wait, no, no, no. Because here, the trains are on the same track.
00:44:22
Speaker
ah okay so maybe i've just yeah i've forgotten where see that scene then that's all it is okay okay i'm like whoa i'm sorry um yeah but no this is this is the the the train track conversation right because that's right so he bangs the ceiling and then he and then you're absolutely right he leaves but then apparently he went put on his robe and came back Right. And then they start out there, and then he's reading that the ah things about the women, that Vivian's too tall and whoever is too loud, and then whoever has too big of gums.
00:45:03
Speaker
And then he's like, it's all these stupid little things. It's me. It's me. And so now he's fully come to that realization that this is this could be him if he continues on that train.
00:45:17
Speaker
absolutely yeah that he will be but then he's he's he's not gonna make it end like this that's right this is not gonna be him he goes upstairs yeah calls janice and uh we cut pretty quickly to the central park oh wait where chandler tells them oh there's something else wait oh no just because He's like, I don't want to be alone because somebody says supposedly or supposedly.
00:45:45
Speaker
yes and then Joey. And then Joey sat in there going, supposedly, supposedively supposedly. They went to the zoo. Supposedly. Supposedly. And he says it wrong. And I'm like, no.
00:46:01
Speaker
poor old Joey. See, but now I've said it. The word has lost all meaning. That's right. say the simple Yes. That's right. So then Chandler calls Janice.
00:46:13
Speaker
Oh, goodness. That's right. And I think he just kind of goes, hey, it's me, so we don't know who he's talking to. And then the next scene. I love this scene because to me it just screams Janice's character that she would do this.
00:46:27
Speaker
Yes. Chandler tells the gang that he's called Janice and she walks in and heavily pregnant, or married, and then... What does she say? Like, Janice just likes to have her fun. Yeah. your movies or something Yeah. Just a face
00:46:46
Speaker
and, oh, my God. ah cha um But we ended up going straight back upstairs. That's a brief scene to the girls' apartment. And Monica wants to get rid of the lamp, saying that she's allergic to shellfish. Yes.
00:47:00
Speaker
And I think Rachel will say something that just eat the other lamp. Yeah. Or something. I guess she'll just have to eat that other lamp. Are you allergic to anything? Me? Yeah.
00:47:11
Speaker
I don't know. um i might be allergic. ah well I'm definitely allergic to cats. I know that. like and They make my eyes swell. and And if I'm around them too long, like I have trouble breathing. And it's just a hot mess.
00:47:27
Speaker
But I might also be allergic to pumpkin. And I didn't ever know it. Or nutmeg. It's either nutmeg or pumpkin. but i didn't realize that that's what being allergic to a food felt like until just in the last couple of years but like where your whole mouth is itchy and then like the back of your throat like where the little thing that hangs the wool uh that thing like the roof of my mouth back there kind of swells up and so apparently i might be allergic to something
00:48:03
Speaker
and Did you think that that's just what happened when you had a dash of nutmeg on something? Yeah. Like, got just but I just thought that that was, I never, you know. And the thing is, is, like, pumpkin pie tastes good.
00:48:18
Speaker
Right. But, and so I just thought that everybody thought it tasted good. So, like, that's just something that happens. Yeah, what you're saying is stupid, right?
00:48:31
Speaker
My cousin Amanda came to visit one time and we were talking. And anyway, I had something.
00:48:42
Speaker
It was in the fall. And i was like, I don't really want that. You know, sometimes I just that doesn't sound good because I think it was in a coffee. And I was like, that doesn't sound good.
00:48:53
Speaker
And, and so then I was telling her about that and she's like, oh my God, that means you're allergic to it. And said, I don't think so. I think I would know if I was allergic. And she was like, Deanne, like you're a grown woman. How, how do you not know this?
00:49:11
Speaker
o I didn't know. Every day's a school day. you until you know Right. That's apparently not normal. So. but I'll still enjoy a piece of pumpkin pie every year.
00:49:25
Speaker
So. Good for you. Good for you. to Once you Ross comes in with this very, it's like, like a briefcase, but obviously it's, it's thicker or deeper.
Phoebe's Philosophical Perspective
00:49:35
Speaker
Yeah, it is.
00:49:36
Speaker
He's also got evidence for Phoebe. um Phoebe brings up a very good point. And I kind of think about this sometimes, like everything we assume is fact. Yes.
00:49:47
Speaker
but have people have kind of always thought that what they believed at the time was facts mostly. yeah So how arrogant would we be to assume that everything we know now is the end game or whatever? you Right.
00:50:00
Speaker
Yes. So I'm kind of on board with Phoebe. like great Yeah. It's a really well thought out, good argument. Like, like you can't, you can't go against it really.
00:50:16
Speaker
and i love the way that she reacts when ross as she says abandons his belief system i know she's such a jerk but like and then her response after he has like totally melted down and just left like he has crushed and gone off to question his whole entire existence i feel and she's just like well that was fun who's hungry right she's down she's over it so fun yeah excuse me i I mean, she was, she obviously believes this, but she was kind of playing him as well at the same time. Yeah. I think puppets on a string, um, which just, just hilarious.
00:50:56
Speaker
Um, so then Monica stands up, she puts a jacket on and knocks over Rachel's lamp, um, an
Chandler's Crisis and Personal Growth
00:51:06
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accident. Maybe, maybe it was meant to look like that.
00:51:10
Speaker
Um, but yeah, the lamp was very short lived. Yes. didn't Didn't have a long life in the girl's apartment.
00:51:21
Speaker
Chandler walks in. He's still having this crisis about dying alone. Janice was his safety net. And this he goes on this tremendous rant. Run away! Snake man will call me. Crazy snake man. Yes.
00:51:35
Speaker
He walks in. She's like, and Rachel's Monica broke my lamp. He's like, well, I'm going to die alone. And she's just like, oh, you win. Right. I guess you win this one.
00:51:51
Speaker
Yeah. And he just spirals, becomes completely unhinged. And then the girls do such a good job. They're so sweet. you know They really talk him down.
00:52:04
Speaker
Kinda. Because right there at the end, they had like talked him down and then right back up. Where he's just like, nope, never mind. I don't know about that.
00:52:16
Speaker
That's right. That's true. but I guess they're kind of used to talking them off the edge Chandler. This has happened more than once. um We revisit Mr. Heckle's apartment for, not quite the last time, or is the last time, isn't it? Monica's in there. She wants Rachel to have the doll clock, but then it starts sort dancing and whistling or doing whatever it does.
00:52:42
Speaker
It kind of reminds me way into the future of the Geller Cup. Obviously that was a troll doll, not a Barbie. Oh, that's not a Barbie.
00:52:54
Speaker
It's not a Barbie. Not a Barbie. Not a Barbie. That is not a Barbie. Whatever they knock off Barbie. There you go. Yeah.
00:53:07
Speaker
um But then Chandler, Chandler's showing a little growth here. he's ah He's going to go on a date with Alison from work. Let's say a little growth. He still says that um he's been avoiding her because of a big head, which I guess if he'd really been... But she's got a giant head, as we see. She does.
00:53:26
Speaker
This is a biological fact, as we see. um But he's not going to let that get in his way any anymore.
00:53:37
Speaker
um But i like the way that he has to keep Heckles' yearbook. You know, maybe it's just a a little reminder for himself of what he wants to not become. And I hope he holds onto it for a long time in honor of Mr. Heckles.
00:53:51
Speaker
Yes. And then it kind of ends with Monica not realizing she's standing in front of this TV magnifier. Yeah. oh Yeah, and which Joey ends up taking. And she just tells them that they're all going to go to the bad place then she leaves.
00:54:10
Speaker
Right, that's right. And then does it end with Joey leaving with the the magnifier, but then there's that touching scene with Chandler that just says, goodbye, Mr. Heckles, we'll keep it down, which just, no spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen the ver the season finale, but kind of reminded me a little bit You know, just that, you know, you're you're closing the chapter of something.
00:54:34
Speaker
Yeah. um So um lovely a lovely little note to finish, I thought, in honor of Mr. Heckles. But then we do go to what I think is the just the coffee house.
00:54:45
Speaker
I couldn't really tell. is the coffee That's what I wrote down. So I guess we can't tell. But that's what I thought. That's where it looks like it is. Yeah, but he's got this internal monologue and he just just can't get past it. He cannot get past the the big head, which ah what yeah it definitely is. There's no doubt. There's there's a big head of hair probably on a big head yeah in this scene.
00:55:12
Speaker
And he says, my head must look like a golf ball. Yes, it's a brilliant visual. Just the internal monologue of Chandler is just so funny to me. It is really. So much is happening in there and it's just nuts.
00:55:32
Speaker
It's unhinged and I love it. It is.
Episode Wrap-Up and Favorite Moments
00:55:35
Speaker
Well, on that note, we we wrap up this episode. Who would be your Gunther Central Park of this episode? Easily the lee Chandler.
00:55:43
Speaker
I mean, we get a little bit of touching, a whole lot of unhinged, um you know, and some ah a little bit of more character development in him and his realization of himself.
00:55:57
Speaker
But, I mean, overall, it's Chandler. Like, he had a little bit of everything in this episode for me. So I've got to confess, I'm going to cheat slightly this week.
00:56:09
Speaker
Oh. But i'm I'm kind of owning it. Because if you had said anybody else, I would have said Chandler. Right. Because he's hilarious. But because I felt there was somebody else who deserved at Gunther Central Park for the week.
00:56:23
Speaker
and So because you said Chandler, I'm going to go with my other one, which is Phoebe. okay Because of the way she dangles Ross around, yeah feel she needed one. But Chandler's kind of it.
00:56:35
Speaker
But I felt, and don't know if it's cheating if I just own it up front. Yeah, no. i perfectly Perfectly acceptable, I think. yes Yeah, I think they the two of them, Chandler holds up the,
00:56:50
Speaker
the main storyline, and then Phoebe holds up the second one really, really well. yeah So that's it for me. But um if we're sitting at Central Park with our huge headed friends, and we're trying to distract ourselves with multiple cups of coffee, how many are we pouring ourselves this week?
00:57:09
Speaker
I'm pouring seven. Just a straight up seven. Mm-hmm. I like it. I am going with seven and an espresso. I think we're switching from last week. sure are.
00:57:22
Speaker
Yep. Because to me, this was just, I thought it was slightly funnier than last week. How funny. And then you've just gone down a notch. Yeah, because I think it's slightly less funny. Slightly less funny, which I love. I love that.
00:57:35
Speaker
um So, yeah, just between Chandler and Phoebe and then even though Janice is hardly in it, I love that scene. um i'm bumping it up just a little notch now before well we're going to say your next week's episode is the one with phoebe's husband yeah i yes i love this one and before we started before we came on air today deanne and i were talking about shows that we're both watching and i've got to tell you that i
00:58:08
Speaker
I haven't looked up his name, but the guy who plays Phoebe's husband is one of the main characters in The Righteous Gemstones, which Kate and I are watching just now, which is
Preview of the Next Episode
00:58:19
Speaker
hilarious.
00:58:19
Speaker
Don't watch it with the kids. Fantastic. I think it was on several years ago. We just discovered it. The Righteous Gemstones. Yeah, he plays a pretty prominent role in the show. Wow. Well, that's a fun fact. I love it. Yeah, and I don't think I've seen him anywhere else. I mean, maybe I have, but haven't noticed him.
00:58:38
Speaker
anywhere else. But um yeah, next week, the one with Phoebe's husband. So I can already tell yeah this is going to be a good one. I'm excited. Very good.
00:58:49
Speaker
Well, on that note, everybody, thank you as always for listening to the Purple Door podcast.