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Spider-Man 2
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When a failed nuclear fusion experiment results in an explosion that kills his wife, Dr. Otto Octavius is transformed into Dr. Octopus, a cyborg with deadly metal tentacles. Doc Ock blames Spider-Man for the accident and seeks revenge. Meanwhile, Spidey's alter ego, Peter Parker, faces fading powers and self-doubt. Complicating matters are his best friend's hatred for Spider-Man and his true love's sudden engagement to another man.
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Spider-Man & Doc Ock's First Encounter
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Introduction to Spider-Man 2 Discussion
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Back listeners to Matt Goes to the Movies, thank you so much for joining us today.
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As once again, we are getting ready to tackle the multiverse.
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And today's episode features Spider-Man 2.
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And just like I said the first time, because this project is so big and just almost...
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overwhelming so to speak with everything that we're going to
Welcoming Rob Back for Spider-Man 2 Review
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cover.
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I just couldn't do it without some help.
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Listeners, you know him very well.
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Rob, welcome back to talk about Spider-Man 2.
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Thanks.
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Had a lot of fun talking about the first one.
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It was a great time revisiting a movie that hadn't had a chance to watch in a while and I've seen this one
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Definitely less time.
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So I didn't have like a great memory
Mixed Feelings and Audience Opinions
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of it.
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I remember enjoying it, but I remember there being parts of it that I, I disliked pretty strongly compared to the original.
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So I was really excited to, um, I actually just finished watching it about 20 minutes before we went on air.
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Um, I was really excited to sit down and, uh, have an excuse to go back and see how I look at it years after the last time I've seen it.
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Yeah, you know, it's funny as we get into the episode further and further, this is widely considered by many people that you talk to, or like message boards are just seeing ratings.
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This is almost considered the best Spider-Man movie that has been made.
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So I'm going to be interested to hear your thoughts on this based on what you just said.
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And definitely...
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I have some different opinions about this movie than what I first had.
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So going back through and re-watching these, so far the first two has been insanely interesting.
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And just like the last time before, Rob, we really get into this, I asked a couple of questions on social media, and I said, does Spider-Man 2 still hold up?
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I think it's a pretty fairly easy question.
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This movie is over, you know,
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15 years old and at Westward media, 12, 17 said easily.
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My absolute favorite Spider-Man movie.
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I tear up at the train scene, uh, at movies, underscore sports, underscore ad R X D simply said, yes.
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Um, very simple.
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But then I asked a couple more questions about is Dr. Octopus a better villain than green goblin, uh, at Westward media says more developed in full circle.
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And, uh,
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The other question is, is Harry Osborn based on what we saw here, the best developed character and at movies underscore sports said he is and isn't Spider-Man three ruins it.
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So that'll be really cool to get to Spider-Man three and see what people think.
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But I just wanted to take a quick second out to, you know, mention listeners on the air that have supported the show and interacted with it.
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So thank you very much for that feedback on what you thought.
Spoiler-Free Overview of Spider-Man 2
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So Rob, I,
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What we're going to do is let's give a quick recap here.
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Spoiler free.
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We don't want to get into anything like that yet, but you mentioned it.
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What is your overview on Spider-Man 2?
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You know, the one thing that really stood out to me, and I was trying to remember this with my wife recently.
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If this was like the first movie she and I went to, like when we started dating, I don't... I was trying to remember if it was or it wasn't, but I know for a fact that we did go see this.
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And it's been a long time since I've seen it.
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I remember sitting in the theater and...
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And I can distinctly remember being really bored by the middle section of this movie.
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It's kind of a, you don't see a lot of that kind of story being told in comic book movies and superhero movies and TV shows and things like that.
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I remember just being like, all right, get on with this already.
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Um,
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But I, I remember the other things I remembered about this was how good I thought they did with Dr. Octopus.
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And I thought, look, if you're not going to cast Elton John as Doc Ock, like Alfred Molina, that's your guy.
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I mean, he was phenomenal with it.
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Um, obviously I think Elton John's probably a little too old to play the character at the time that did this, but he's got the look.
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If you want comic accurate, that's your guy.
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Um,
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but I really enjoyed what they did with it.
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I liked seeing a little bit more development of, of Peter Parker under, you know, assuming the mantle of the protector of his city and what that means to him and the personal cost that it has to him.
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I thought that was really well done.
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And I remembered all of those things.
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So I was really excited to kind of revisit this.
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And a lot of that stuff still hits, but,
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I feel like a lot of the things that I was very critical of, of the first movie are sadly still present here.
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Um, they, they didn't get fixed, unfortunately.
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However, there's a couple of things, Matt, that you really pointed out in the first film that I think were really improved on in this film.
Action Scenes and Rewatchability Debate
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Um, particularly the action scenes that I'm sure we'll get it.
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We'll get into it a little bit.
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Um,
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but it was better than I remembered it, and I was glad that I got a chance to sit down, and actually, it was the first time my son had ever seen this movie, so we're going to watch all of these together.
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It's going to be a lot of fun.
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Yeah, that's actually really, really cool.
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So, you know, my thoughts on this are, yes, I thought they definitely improved the action scenes in this movie.
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I thought Spider-Man was more Spider-Man.
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I really like the...
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a strained relationship that Peter has with certain people in his life.
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But also I think that it falls into some of the movie tropes that I really, really cannot stand, especially going back and watching this and just, you know, again, as my viewpoints on film have changed over the years, I just particularly find myself finding that more and more in this movie.
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Yeah.
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And it really does bug me based on timeframe and the, the length of events that have occurred between Spider-Man one and Spider-Man two.
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So with that being said, Rob, let's piggyback off of how we feel about this movie with what we call here at Matt goes to the movies, the watch rating.
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Now the watch rating is a very simple scale.
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It's either low, medium or high lows, low,
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The movie's terrible.
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There's no reason to rewatch it.
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Medium.
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Movie has a few redeeming qualities that pulls you back in for rewatches.
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And high.
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Movie is good enough where you want to watch it multiple times on your own based on a variety of factors.
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Is the movie funny?
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Is it emotional?
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Great visuals, acting, anything that goes into filmmaking.
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So for me, this movie is...
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up there i'd actually say this movie is high on the rewatch ability i think there's some very very good things with this movie that are not completely underscored by some of the things that i mentioned in the opening there's still some flaws to it but i do think that this movie still holds up incredibly well all these years later i think it's it's odd because
00:07:47
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I'm not sure if this is actually a better movie than the first one.
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It may be, it may not be.
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It might be slightly more rewatchable though.
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And I'm going to probably call this kind of low, high rewatchability.
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You know, I had said the first one, which I actually like a little bit better is, is probably a medium rewatchability for me.
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This one is probably a high rewatchability.
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But I kind of give that with a little bit of a caveat.
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It's got a high rewatch ability if I have my remote in hand and I can skip to the next chapter easily to get through some of the stuff that just doesn't hold up and actually wasn't even good at the time it was released.
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Yeah, I think that's actually a really good point and brings us right into it.
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So
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listeners just like with spider-man one if for some reason you have never watched spider-man two and you do not want to be spoiled by what rob and i are going to be discussing this is where you pause this one go check this movie out you can watch this uh on hulu with a premium subscription uh or you know for some reason if uh you were shopping black friday deals this movie was on sale so
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Here's where we're going to get into spoilers and Rob it's popcorn time.
Plot Summary and Character Critique
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So here at Matt goes to the movies popcorn time, breaking down the movie main character scenes, relatable messages, our favorite parts of the movie, favorite character.
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And if we have a least favorite character in this movie, or really with talking about the trilogy as a whole here with Spider-Man three coming up, is there somebody who we don't like between both movies who's carried over?
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So,
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Spider-Man 2 follows a pretty simple formula, but they do a great job.
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This movie takes place two years after Spider-Man 1, and Parker is now estranged from his love interest, Mary Jane, and his best friend, Harry.
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and discovers Aunt May is facing eviction.
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So there's a lot of stuff going on, but one of the things that I don't really like, and Rob, I want to start here to get your thoughts, is one of the main themes of this movie is Peter's struggle with being Spider-Man and it actually causing him to lose his powers.
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The reason why I want to start here is because much like in Christopher Nolan's Batman series,
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I know it's been two years since Spider-Man one, you know, the events of that movie in this, in this world that Raimi built, but I just feel like after everything that happened and I felt like this in the, the dark night trilogy, the amount of, you know, effort and the loss that the two characters went through Batman and Spider-Man and the amount of time that they had become these superhero personas,
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I just feel like not enough time has passed to warrant both of them like already being done with wanting to be Batman.
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I mean, in the dark night, Bruce wants to give it up fairly quickly for Rachel in this movie.
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Peter wants to give it up for Mary Jane.
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And I just don't feel based on the journey that they went through to get to this point that it's warranted that they already kind of want to give this up.
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What are your thoughts on that?
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You know, I think it's really obvious in The Dark Knight, like you were saying, in this one, I would have loved to have seen... This movie spends a lot of time, frustratingly so, focusing on how bad Peter's life sucks.
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And there's literally, I timed it.
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I want to say there's like 20 minutes before anything fun happens in this movie.
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And it's when he's doing his laundry and his Spidey suit, like the colors of it run into his other laundry.
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And it's the first time 20 minutes in that I'm actually having fun watching this movie.
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And it's just frustrating.
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Like it's, you don't enjoy it as an audience member, seeing Peter Parker, Spider-Man, our hero, like his life sucks.
00:12:02
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It's awful.
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It's pretty terrible.
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And yeah,
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it's almost kind of like in, uh, in, uh, meet the parents, you know, like it's, those kinds of movies are funny to a point where it's just like, how many more things can go wrong?
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Like at some point it's just not fun anymore to watch the main character or main characters, uh,
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get their butts handed to them.
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Like, it's just, it stops being fun at a point like, okay, come on.
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It's just frustrating now.
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Like I I'm, I'm being pulled out of the movie and it's, it's just hard to watch.
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And I, yes, if you would have given me a little bit of that, but then shown me him actually in action,
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And, you know, let's say he's taking his lumps and he's, you know, getting beat up and it's, he's struggling to even like get up the stairs or something like that.
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You know, if you had shown me all of those things too, and actually given me some Spidey action, we don't really get Spidey action until way later in this movie.
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I think it would have been more believable.
00:13:05
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Yeah, I totally agree with that.
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You know, I, I certainly don't mind a,
Character Development: Harry Osborn vs. Doc Ock
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you know, a story where the hero has to overcome things.
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But again, I feel like they leaned a little bit too heavily on that in this movie.
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And, you know, some of the scenes watching him where, you know, there's one later on in the movie where he's walking down the street and the cops go whizzing by and it's like, okay, you know, um,
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he just sits there and stuffs his face with a hot dog and walks out.
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And I just, I sit there and think like you, you did all of this and became Spider-Man and uncle Ben was shot and killed.
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And you know how much happened in between, you know, this, you know, these two years after green goblin died.
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And it's just like, if you were there saving people in the city, all of that time, like, what do you think is happening?
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to those people now that you're not there for?
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I mean, I'm sure there's, you know, there's plenty of times where there's things that happen where Spider-Man was the only one that could save them.
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So what is happening to those people now?
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And he's just like completely cool with it.
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I didn't quite buy it back then.
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And I still don't buy it now.
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Well, especially when you really start thinking about,
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Think about all these people he's pulled out of burning buildings, which is apparently now a thing.
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Every Spider-Man movie, you know, so far, you've got to pull people out of burning buildings.
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All of the different people whose lives he's saved, you know, think about even in the last movie.
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You know, if you're thinking chronologically where he's at, you know, he saved all of those people and all of those.
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I think it was some kind of Boy Scout troop that was in the gondola that was on the cable car or whatever it was.
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He saved all those lives.
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Like he looked into their eyes and knew he was responsible for them being saved.
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Now he's also technically responsible for them being in trouble in the first place.
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But, you know, you think about all of the people that he saved and he's, you know, he's had people just sobbing.
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Thank you, Spider-Man.
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Thank you.
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You saved my baby.
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You know, you saved my cat, whatever.
00:15:12
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And he's just like, eh, Parker out, you know, deuces, you know, just walks away from it.
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Um,
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That's hard.
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That's when you really start thinking about it, it's hard to accept, which is, which is kind of why I like the idea that they should have shown us some, something more about why he's deciding to do this, that it's, you know, he can't handle it or, or just something more than just, I'm sad.
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My life isn't fun.
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I like Mary Jane, but I can't tell her.
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Yeah.
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You know, I think they, it's almost a double-edged sword because we sit there and,
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You know, we don't want to see him get beat up too much.
00:15:51
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But then also because we're supposed to just be okay with the fact that it's been two years and his relationship with Harry isn't where it was.
00:15:59
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You know, you don't get a lot of that.
00:16:05
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And maybe it would have been, you know, more beneficial to see him, you know, because he's Spider-Man.
00:16:14
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being drawn away from Harry because he didn't have time to be there for him after his father died.
00:16:20
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You know, that maybe could have added more, but with that being said, you know, one of the other main characters in this movie that has, I think a really great arc is Harry Osborn's character played by James Franco, who you see just like slowly, but surely getting worse and worse and worse with his obsession with Spider-Man and
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trying to, you know, run the Oscorp, uh, corporation now and being bigger and better than his father ever was.
00:16:52
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I think they really do nail Harry in this movie, uh, to the point where, you know, I think he almost takes over, you know, as like a one, a character in this movie behind Spider-Man.
00:17:05
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I think he might, to me, be a little bit more relevant than, than Doc Ock, just in my opinion.
00:17:11
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I think they did a fantastic job.
00:17:14
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In terms of what am I most intrigued by, like if you just, you know, you stop this movie, you don't know anything about the third movie, you just kind of erase any memory you have of it.
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Who am I most interested in or which character do I come away from this movie being most fascinated by?
00:17:30
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It's Harry.
00:17:32
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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And, you know, I don't want to take anything away from,
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from Dr. Otto Octavius.
00:17:40
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I think he is really good in this movie too.
00:17:43
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Again, a really, really good casting choice.
00:17:49
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You know, I don't always necessarily buy the, you know, his and Peter's relationship.
00:17:55
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Just, I don't know.
00:17:56
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I mean, I don't enjoy science, so I'm sorry.
00:18:01
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I don't really know that much.
00:18:03
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Like, I'm not a huge fan of the topic.
00:18:06
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So the whole fact that they just bond and like, they developed this huge personal relationship over a very, very like brief sit down together.
00:18:15
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Um, it was over afternoon tea.
00:18:17
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Really?
00:18:18
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Yeah.
00:18:18
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I don't necessarily buy their dynamic and some of that ending scene where, you know, it, Peter is, I'm paraphrasing saying someone once told me we have to, you know, put the things we want, uh, to the side or, you know, whatever he says to him.
00:18:34
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Um,
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and you get another, you know, kind of moderation of with great power comes great responsibility.
00:18:41
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I just never really bought that relationship.
00:18:45
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And I think it takes away a little bit from Doc Ock as the villain, because I don't think watching it now, the relationship is as personal as I thought it was the first time seeing this movie.
00:19:01
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You know, you compare that to the recent Spider-Man game that released for PlayStation where Peter worked for Otto, you know, like he was not just his mentor, but he was in some ways a father figure.
00:19:14
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They were, they were close.
00:19:17
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That relationship was believable.
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And it made the ending of that game.
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I guess mild spoilers if you haven't played it, which by the way, go play that, like not like finish the episode and then like go play that if you haven't, cause it's, it's fantastic.
00:19:30
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It's,
00:19:31
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it's probably the best representation of Spider-Man.
00:19:35
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I think I can, I can think of in terms of storytelling.
00:19:38
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It's so good.
00:19:40
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But that was a great representation of, of a relationship between Peter and Otto that I would believe.
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And you just don't earn that in this movie.
00:19:50
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They, they, they have, you know, tea and crumpets.
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And then all of a sudden when,
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Otto like regains his sanity at the end.
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He's like, Oh, Peter's here.
00:19:58
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Yeah.
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So yeah, it's the red switch.
00:20:00
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Like go hit that.
00:20:02
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Right.
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Yeah.
00:20:04
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You know, I, I think that, uh, I would be remiss if I didn't bring up though about doc, uh, you know, Sam Raimi directs this
Standout Scenes: Hospital and Dr. Octopus
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movie.
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And for anybody that knows Sam Raimi knows he has done evil, the dead and, um, or evil dead, sorry.
00:20:24
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The scene where Octavius is in the hospital and they're trying to surgically remove those arms.
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I mean, what a scene.
00:20:34
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It's shot like a horror movie.
00:20:36
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There's no gore, but it's all implied.
00:20:39
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And, you know, that's one of those ones where the, to me, the implied violence is just as good as, you know, or better than what it would have been on screen.
00:20:51
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I think that was just.
00:20:53
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a showcase of what Raimi is capable of in a, you know, one of the better scenes in the movie to me.
00:21:01
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A hundred percent.
00:21:02
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And I knew that you were going to notice that on a rewatch as much as you're into horror films.
00:21:08
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And that's one of your favorite genres to talk about.
00:21:11
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I'm sitting there watching this going, this feels, I don't want to say it feels out of place for a comic book movie, but this feels like it belongs in like Halloween or something like that.
00:21:21
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You know, it's, it definitely feels like a textbook example of how to shoot horror.
00:21:27
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And it was really well done.
00:21:30
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Real quick though, who has the lamer scream of the word?
00:21:35
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No auto Octavius or Vader at the end of episode three, which one's lamer?
00:21:42
Speaker
You know what?
00:21:42
Speaker
I think it has to be, for me, it has to be Vader because this was, you know, Doc Ock's first appearance on screen.
00:21:53
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We didn't have a lot of, you know, we didn't have three movies of Vader just being a complete badass.
00:22:03
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You know, even when he gets his redemption and saves Luke, you know, we had,
00:22:10
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him just being a badass and then you get that revenge of the Sith.
00:22:14
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No.
00:22:15
Speaker
So for me, that one, that might take the top spot no matter what happens.
00:22:22
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It's hard for me to imagine anything beats it, but it just kind of was one of those things that as I, as I was watching this, it just, it felt like it belonged.
00:22:31
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Yeah, no, absolutely.
00:22:34
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So, you know, after, you know, that,
00:22:38
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cringeworthy no with Doc Ock after the hospital scene you know he starts to just become unraveled and obviously he's one of the main characters and the first real you know fight fight that we get is that bank scene and this is where I do want to commend the movie because again in this one Spider-Man feels more like Spider-Man he uses his webs more
00:23:05
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He's more agile.
00:23:06
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I feel they did a much better job with the action here, making Spider-Man feel like he actually, you know, had that agility and had those, the moveset that we're used to seeing from video games or from the nineties or, you know, cartoon or from the comic books.
00:23:26
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They definitely, I felt put a bigger focus on Spider-Man fighting like the Spider-Man fans would be used to.
00:23:34
Speaker
I 100% feel that way too.
00:23:37
Speaker
And it really stood out to me after something you had said about the first movie where it just, he doesn't really move or fight like Spider-Man in this movie.
00:23:46
Speaker
They really nail it.
00:23:48
Speaker
This is really where the movie starts to cook and starts to work really well.
00:23:52
Speaker
But there's, there's some things that I just don't really understand.
00:23:56
Speaker
Like why exactly are the arms evil?
00:23:58
Speaker
Like, so the inhibitor chip fries and all of a sudden the arms turn into evil Kermit where like,
00:24:04
Speaker
Do
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00:24:05
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this.
00:24:05
Speaker
No, do this.
00:24:06
Speaker
You know, like what exactly about them makes them decide to be evil like that?
00:24:12
Speaker
That I don't really get.
00:24:15
Speaker
But you but think about it.
00:24:16
Speaker
Like we got 20 minutes into the movie before something really exciting, like really fun happens for me.
00:24:22
Speaker
50 minutes into this movie is when we get our first real spider action.
00:24:28
Speaker
we're almost an hour into the movie.
00:24:30
Speaker
We're almost halfway into this movie before we get our first real Spider-Man action scene.
00:24:37
Speaker
And I think that's part of why this movie wasn't as well remembered for me and why I just, it's, it's hard for me to rank this towards the top of my spider films.
00:24:48
Speaker
Cause that's, that's not what we watch Spider-Man movies for.
00:24:52
Speaker
Right.
00:24:52
Speaker
Right.
00:24:53
Speaker
Exactly.
00:24:54
Speaker
And you know,
00:24:57
Speaker
the one of the other things that I, you know, I have a problem with in this movie is the, okay.
00:25:07
Speaker
So specifically the scene, this is jumping ahead.
00:25:11
Speaker
The scene where Peter is talking to Mary Jane in that coffee shop, whatever it is, that might be the same place where Harry pulls his disappearing act in Spider-Man three, where he winks at him.
00:25:24
Speaker
Um,
00:25:25
Speaker
over pie but um you know octavius throws a car through the window now what was his plan there like why would you like why would you throw the car through the window like that really bothers me because to me logically it doesn't make sense like
00:25:52
Speaker
did you know Peter Parker was in there?
00:25:55
Speaker
Because if so, why would you throw the car in there?
00:26:00
Speaker
Like, don't you think that would potentially kill him?
00:26:04
Speaker
Well, I mean, it's not like he has these super powerful robot arms that he can just literally smash through windows and kind of just grab anybody he wants to and walk away with them.
00:26:14
Speaker
Oh, wait, no, he does.
00:26:15
Speaker
He has those.
00:26:16
Speaker
Oh, well, crap.
00:26:18
Speaker
I guess I guess it doesn't make sense.
00:26:20
Speaker
Well, also, too, like the way like he doesn't know that Peter is Spider-Man.
00:26:25
Speaker
So when he grabs Peter Parker and is like, tell your friend to bring the tritium or I can't remember the line.
00:26:32
Speaker
Forgive me.
00:26:33
Speaker
He like he slams him into the brick wall, which forces it to crumble, which you think like any normal human being would be like.
00:26:44
Speaker
paralyzed or knocked unconscious from that.
00:26:47
Speaker
And he just like, he slams him into the brick and I'm like,
00:26:52
Speaker
again, what, what is going on?
00:26:55
Speaker
Like, what is this?
00:26:56
Speaker
Not only that, but can we talk about how many times Peter Parker falls out of the sky and bounces off a couple of cars and just stands up and brushes himself off?
00:27:05
Speaker
Like what part of having spider powers also gives you adamantium bones in my back, my back.
00:27:11
Speaker
And it's like, it's a hysterical meme, but like in the context of the movie, yeah.
00:27:16
Speaker
Oh my God.
00:27:19
Speaker
He falls like 30 feet.
00:27:21
Speaker
Yeah.
00:27:22
Speaker
Yeah.
00:27:23
Speaker
Like none of that stuff makes sense.
00:27:25
Speaker
And I mean, we'll probably talk about the train scene too, but when he's, when he's slowing the train down, like his, his arms would be completely dislocated out of socket.
00:27:34
Speaker
Like there's no spider strength.
00:27:35
Speaker
That's going to, that's going to stop that.
00:27:36
Speaker
Like his arms are broken.
00:27:37
Speaker
Like let's, let's just call it what it is like that.
00:27:40
Speaker
That's pretty dumb.
00:27:41
Speaker
I actually really disliked that scene for a lot of reasons, but, or at least that part of the scene.
00:27:48
Speaker
But I, I, I'll tell you, I, I,
00:27:50
Speaker
I really do like what they, what they give us with, with auto in that, in that the actual fight scene on the train before they get to that part.
00:27:58
Speaker
It's, it's really a high point for me.
00:28:01
Speaker
And I think if, if you imagine, like, think back to when you were a kid and you thought about what that would actually look like for those two to actually square off.
00:28:10
Speaker
Like if you got a chance to really see it instead of it just being animated or drawn on a page or, you know, it's, it's on a video game, it's, it's with action figures in your living room.
00:28:20
Speaker
I think they nailed it there.
00:28:22
Speaker
I really think they got almost perfect what that should look like.
00:28:26
Speaker
You know, obviously you can upgrade your CGI a little bit, you know, using what we have today.
00:28:31
Speaker
Although, thinking back to how bad the end of Black Panther looked, it actually could be about as good as it could get.
00:28:37
Speaker
Right.
00:28:40
Speaker
I'm still mystified about how bad that CG is.
00:28:42
Speaker
But anyways, I digress.
00:28:44
Speaker
That's almost exactly what that should look like.
00:28:51
Speaker
And I love that.
00:28:53
Speaker
Yeah, again, just the way that he fights in this movie is much more in line with what you would expect from Spider-Man.
00:29:01
Speaker
I think that train scene is a great example.
00:29:05
Speaker
And again, Spider-Strength, you would think, again, his arms would just be dislocated.
00:29:12
Speaker
He'd be dislocated.
00:29:13
Speaker
I do like the fact...
00:29:17
Speaker
You know, after he stops the train and the people carry him back in, I really like that scene.
00:29:24
Speaker
I actually think that is very well done with them finding his mask.
00:29:30
Speaker
Like, although I don't know how they found that mask, just the way that it's taken off during that whole ordeal.
00:29:40
Speaker
But the fact that they're willing to keep his secret because of everything that he's done for them and how he saved them there, although you would figure somebody's snitching after a little while.
00:29:54
Speaker
I couldn't watch this scene without thinking about it through the lens of imagine if that happens in 2021, like there would be 400 Instagram selfies with hashtag real Spider-Man within seconds.
00:30:06
Speaker
There'd be 20, there'd be three or four other kids that were like pushing each other out of the way to try to do Tik TOK dances with him in frame.
00:30:14
Speaker
Like, look what I found.
00:30:15
Speaker
It's the real Spider-Man.
00:30:16
Speaker
Yo, like, by the way, he might be dead.
00:30:19
Speaker
Like,
00:30:21
Speaker
You guys want to see a dead body?
00:30:22
Speaker
Like, you know, here he is.
00:30:24
Speaker
Like, yeah, like that, that to me, I think was, um, was, was just kind of funny to think about.
00:30:30
Speaker
Um, I kind of want to move backwards just a little bit though, to talk about what in the bank robbery when, when Otto's there, um,
00:30:38
Speaker
So, you know, he comes up with this plan that he's going to finish his work and he's going to need money to do it.
00:30:45
Speaker
So he just decides to go rob a bank.
00:30:48
Speaker
What exactly was he going to do with these cartoon sacks of money?
00:30:52
Speaker
Like he's just going to pay $30,000 in cash for equipment.
00:30:57
Speaker
Like just here, I'm just going to drop off a bag of money.
00:31:00
Speaker
Like he just, where is he going to get those parts?
00:31:03
Speaker
Right.
00:31:04
Speaker
Like, hi, science supply depot.
00:31:06
Speaker
Like, uh, will you be willing to sell to a terrorist with eight arms?
00:31:10
Speaker
Uh, if, if you do also accept payment in giant bags of cash and rolled coin, like, is that an acceptable?
00:31:16
Speaker
No, you guys usually work in purchase orders.
00:31:18
Speaker
Oh, how about giant bags of cash?
00:31:21
Speaker
Do you take that?
00:31:22
Speaker
Like, where's your office that I can drop this off to like, okay, great.
00:31:26
Speaker
Send me my equipment.
00:31:26
Speaker
Like, how's that work?
00:31:28
Speaker
It looked like they transferred the vault from Scrooge McDuck and DuckTales.
00:31:35
Speaker
Yeah.
00:31:35
Speaker
Like, how do you, who pays with that?
00:31:37
Speaker
Like, no, it's all done with purchase orders and money transfers.
00:31:41
Speaker
Like, who is he buying this stuff from?
00:31:44
Speaker
Yeah, no, that's like, seriously, I just, I always like laughed at that.
00:31:48
Speaker
Cause I'm just like, oh, I need money.
00:31:50
Speaker
Okay.
00:31:51
Speaker
I'm going to rob the bank.
00:31:52
Speaker
But yeah, like,
00:31:53
Speaker
Where necessarily are you going to buy these parts from?
00:31:59
Speaker
And if they tell you no, are you probably just stealing it?
00:32:03
Speaker
And also, I get that it's out in the harbor, but nobody's recognized this eight-armed mechanical dude carrying giant supplies.
00:32:17
Speaker
LAUGHTER
00:32:19
Speaker
Out to this abandoned building on the water.
00:32:21
Speaker
Like, um, New York's not that abandoned.
00:32:25
Speaker
Like, like, listen, if, if, uh, if the ATF can figure out who's growing pot in their house, just by looking at the electrical bill, I think they could figure out where auto was.
00:32:36
Speaker
Right, exactly.
00:32:37
Speaker
So, you know, again, some of the logistical things in this movie just, I think when you go back, just do not add up at all.
00:32:47
Speaker
You know, we talked about him flinging the car through the window and slamming Peter Parker into the brick.
00:32:53
Speaker
Him, you know, we just talked about the bank scene.
00:32:55
Speaker
Um, yeah.
00:32:57
Speaker
It's just logistically, a lot of things don't add up in this movie that, you know, again, enjoyable.
00:33:04
Speaker
But to me, when you look back at it, go, oh, it's not as coherent as I remember.
00:33:12
Speaker
Yeah.
00:33:12
Speaker
And we haven't even talked about the dialogue yet.
00:33:15
Speaker
You ready to get into it?
00:33:16
Speaker
Cause I am ready to, to get into that.
00:33:20
Speaker
I do want to make a quick point that I also feel like, cause it starts in this movie, boy, you thought they were going somewhere with Mary Jane.
00:33:32
Speaker
Um,
00:33:34
Speaker
marrying Jamison's son and what that could have meant storyline-wise.
00:33:40
Speaker
But boy, do they just drop that without any follow-up at all in the third movie?
00:33:48
Speaker
And boy, once again, man, she's just... I don't even know if there's any reason to talk about her because as bad as she was in...
00:33:58
Speaker
This movie, and I'm sure you're going to talk about the dialogue in the first movie.
00:34:03
Speaker
Boy, they didn't do her any favors in this one either.
00:34:06
Speaker
It's like they didn't.
00:34:09
Speaker
It's almost like they didn't want to cast her and they got stuck with her and were like, well, you are going to get the worst dialogue we can think of for your character.
00:34:20
Speaker
Once again, MJ in this movie is entirely, her character is entirely defined by her relationships to male characters and who she's in love with, who she's dating, but not in love with because she's in love with somebody else.
00:34:35
Speaker
That's her whole arc.
00:34:36
Speaker
And it's sad.
00:34:37
Speaker
And it bothers
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00:34:39
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me.
00:34:39
Speaker
I want to talk about one.
00:34:41
Speaker
So it's starting to yell about dialogue and hate on the dialogue while on the subject of MJ.
00:34:47
Speaker
They're in the cafe.
00:34:49
Speaker
And he tells her that he doesn't love her.
00:34:50
Speaker
He lies.
00:34:51
Speaker
He says, I don't love you.
00:34:52
Speaker
And she's like, okay, great.
00:34:53
Speaker
Kiss me anyways.
00:34:55
Speaker
Great.
00:34:55
Speaker
What?
00:34:56
Speaker
After what?
00:34:58
Speaker
30, 30 minutes prior him confessing, you know, his love and, uh, oh boy, but continue.
00:35:06
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:06
Speaker
Like how terrible is that?
00:35:08
Speaker
Like you just said that you don't love me, but I'm going to ask you to kiss me anyways.
00:35:12
Speaker
Now, just for a second, Matt, let's reverse this and let's have the male character do that to the female character.
00:35:18
Speaker
And let's see how fast that gets canceled.
00:35:21
Speaker
You can't have that.
00:35:22
Speaker
Like you can't have that.
00:35:23
Speaker
Like it's, it's terrible writing.
00:35:26
Speaker
It is horrible.
00:35:28
Speaker
it's lazy screenwriting.
00:35:29
Speaker
It just, it makes Mary Jane just not an interesting character.
00:35:34
Speaker
She's flatter than a pancake in terms of dimension.
00:35:38
Speaker
There's nothing to her.
00:35:40
Speaker
And it's so sad because if this is Peter's love interest, there's, you don't feel anything at the end.
00:35:46
Speaker
I don't, at least when they finally get together and it's, it almost, especially the ending, you know, Peter, I can't survive without you based on what,
00:35:57
Speaker
You guys aren't a thing.
00:36:00
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You've been doing a pretty good job.
00:36:01
Speaker
You found other boyfriends.
00:36:05
Speaker
Real quick, too.
00:36:07
Speaker
You were with that guy long enough to get engaged.
00:36:13
Speaker
And then... Based on the ending, she runs off, runs to Peter, and then he's like, okay, like...
00:36:23
Speaker
you know, I have to go be Spider-Man, which she says she's cool with.
00:36:26
Speaker
But then like her facial expression when he goes is just like, Oh, I'm alone.
00:36:34
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I don't have a man with me.
00:36:35
Speaker
Woe is me.
00:36:36
Speaker
And it's like,
00:36:38
Speaker
Oh boy.
00:36:39
Speaker
And I've always loved just thinking about, so he, you know, we see the end credits sort of right as they're getting ready to roll, he's swinging through the city and it's some, some pretty bad early aughts CG, but he's, he's swinging through the city.
00:36:53
Speaker
And I've always just loved thinking about, um,
00:36:56
Speaker
Mary Jane sitting in the literally the crappiest apartment in all of New York and what is likely a 25 $30,000 designer wedding gown and hanging out on his like dirty sheets and there's cockroaches around and she's just like looking around maybe like a sweatshirt she could put on to borrow.
00:37:16
Speaker
It's like, just thinking about that always cracks me up.
00:37:19
Speaker
But it's like, you know, this whole Peter, I can't survive without you.
00:37:23
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Like, it's just, it's so frustrating because it's the same way that everybody misinterprets Romeo and Juliet as this great love story.
00:37:30
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And by the way, everybody, it's not.
00:37:33
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She's 14.
00:37:34
Speaker
He's 16.
00:37:36
Speaker
They've known each other for about four seconds before they pledge each other for all eternity.
00:37:40
Speaker
They act like
00:37:42
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immature children to each other.
00:37:45
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They overact, they overreact to everything.
00:37:48
Speaker
And a lot of people die because of their immaturity.
00:37:51
Speaker
It's not a great love story.
00:37:53
Speaker
It's really not, but I digress.
00:37:56
Speaker
So let's talk about some other really bad dialogue.
00:37:59
Speaker
It starts very early on in this movie.
00:38:02
Speaker
Um,
00:38:03
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Peter, tell us about yourself.
00:38:05
Speaker
Do you have a girlfriend?
00:38:07
Speaker
Who the hell starts a conversation like that?
00:38:10
Speaker
Like when he's having tea and Otto's wife is like, so tell us about yourself.
00:38:14
Speaker
Do you have a girlfriend?
00:38:15
Speaker
Who does that?
00:38:16
Speaker
Like, that's kind of a personal question.
00:38:18
Speaker
Like who starts off a conversation that way?
00:38:21
Speaker
I want to hook you up with somebody like, you know, oh, geez.
00:38:27
Speaker
And and who says back?
00:38:29
Speaker
I don't know.
00:38:30
Speaker
Like you either have you have one or you don't like, I don't know.
00:38:35
Speaker
Well, who should know?
00:38:36
Speaker
Shouldn't she know?
00:38:38
Speaker
What about you?
00:38:39
Speaker
My Facebook status is it's complicated.
00:38:41
Speaker
Right.
00:38:43
Speaker
Oh man, the fact that one of those even exists is the greatest thing ever.
00:38:48
Speaker
Right.
00:38:50
Speaker
Because try explaining that to the person that it's complicated with.
00:38:53
Speaker
Like, what do you mean it's complicated?
00:38:54
Speaker
Right.
00:38:54
Speaker
God, I got married before I had a Facebook profile and had to worry about this crap.
00:38:59
Speaker
Like, literally, if Spider-Man was on Facebook, that question would, like, Peter would just click, it's complicated for his Facebook status.
00:39:07
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Like, oh my God.
00:39:09
Speaker
Like, oh my God.
00:39:12
Speaker
And so then go ahead, go ahead.
00:39:15
Speaker
You say we get later into the movie and, and Harry has the line I'm ruined.
00:39:22
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I have nothing left, but Spider-Man.
00:39:25
Speaker
He humiliated me by touching me.
00:39:28
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That's a direct quote.
00:39:29
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I said it flat because, you know, it's actually said a lot better by James Franco because he's actually a good actor.
00:39:37
Speaker
But I said it as flat as I could because I wanted everyone to hear like how bad that piece of dialogue was written.
00:39:45
Speaker
Who the hell talks like this?
00:39:46
Speaker
He humiliated me by touching me.
00:39:49
Speaker
I have nothing left but Spider-Man.
00:39:52
Speaker
I'm sure he's going to get a lot of tabloid questions about that.
00:39:55
Speaker
So Spider-Man touched you the other day.
00:39:57
Speaker
Do you feel like this has ruined you?
00:40:00
Speaker
Show me on the clown where Spider-Man touched you.
00:40:04
Speaker
And I'm like, I'm ruined.
00:40:06
Speaker
Like, really?
00:40:08
Speaker
I don't think so.
00:40:09
Speaker
Like, I don't think you're ruined because you're still in the mansion and you're still the CEO of Oscorp.
00:40:17
Speaker
Like,
00:40:18
Speaker
I think you're okay.
00:40:20
Speaker
And, and his, what have, can I just also add the whiny scene where he's like, he literally stomps his feet.
00:40:28
Speaker
Like the kid that didn't get the toy at toys or us.
00:40:30
Speaker
And it was like, I'm in charge here.
00:40:33
Speaker
Shut it down.
00:40:36
Speaker
That's pretty awful.
00:40:37
Speaker
Like, wow.
00:40:39
Speaker
And geez, what was the other scene that I was thinking of where, um,
00:40:46
Speaker
I don't think the dialogue is all that.
00:40:49
Speaker
I think the scene is good.
00:40:50
Speaker
But again, like it's undercut by dialogue when he like actually confronts Peter at the party because he's, you know, he's drunk.
00:40:57
Speaker
He's like, are you taking pictures of your friend Spider-Man?
00:41:00
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And it's like, I feel like you'd be a little bit more like aggressive and not so whiny about it.
00:41:10
Speaker
Yeah, I think, again, it goes to show James Franco's a pretty good actor.
00:41:17
Speaker
He was able to pull off and make all of that mostly believable.
00:41:24
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If you actually just look at the screenplay and look at the dialogue that he was asked to deliver, and you just imagine him outside his trailer smoking, reading the script going, I have to say what?
00:41:37
Speaker
Oh, you got to be kidding me.
00:41:38
Speaker
Okay.
00:41:39
Speaker
Work is work.
00:41:42
Speaker
Work is work.
00:41:44
Speaker
Yeah.
00:41:45
Speaker
It's in some of the other.
00:41:47
Speaker
So the dialogue is bad, but there's, there's other parts of the screenplay that I don't really love.
00:41:52
Speaker
And I think are real tropey.
00:41:54
Speaker
So Matt, how many movies or TV shows or even cartoons, anything you can think of how many times does, um,
00:42:02
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does the main action or the main conflict get set into motion because somebody is trying to invent something that will give us, give all of us access to free energy.
00:42:14
Speaker
Like how many times have we seen that?
00:42:15
Speaker
At least 400 million, right?
00:42:17
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:17
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About as many times as a sky portal is the ending battle.
00:42:25
Speaker
Yep.
00:42:26
Speaker
And we almost get a sky portal here, except it kind of just stayed contained.
00:42:30
Speaker
It was more of like just the orb.
00:42:31
Speaker
It didn't really turn into the portal, but I felt like it wanted to.
00:42:35
Speaker
Right.
00:42:36
Speaker
And by the way, I do want to point out that Michael Bay did it first in Transformers Dark of the Moon.
00:42:43
Speaker
So everything else that came after, I just want to point out, they copied Michael Bay.
00:42:49
Speaker
Do with that information what you will.
00:42:58
Speaker
Yeah, not exactly a great one to copy.
00:43:03
Speaker
In defense of some of the writing, the elevator scene is great.
00:43:10
Speaker
It is good.
00:43:12
Speaker
Where he's awkwardly riding the elevator because...
00:43:16
Speaker
for no other way of putting it, like he lost his mojo.
00:43:19
Speaker
Like it literally reminds me of the second Austin Powers movie so much where it's just, it's the same plot really.
00:43:26
Speaker
Like the hero loses his mojo.
00:43:29
Speaker
He's trying to get the girl, but he doesn't have the ability to, he doesn't have his abilities, he doesn't have his powers.
00:43:34
Speaker
And then it's not till the end of the movie that he starts to believe in himself again and gets his powers back because feelings?
00:43:42
Speaker
I don't really, I'm not really clear on that.
00:43:45
Speaker
Right.
00:43:46
Speaker
Exactly.
00:43:47
Speaker
If you believe in yourself, you can achieve it.
00:43:50
Speaker
Yeah.
00:43:51
Speaker
It's literally every motivational poster from seventh grade gym class, like all rolled into a plot that's supposed to be about Spider-Man swinging through the city, punching bad guys and saying funny lines when he does it.
00:44:03
Speaker
And,
00:44:05
Speaker
It's not how I would have written this movie if I was given the opportunity to do it, which no one asked me to, by the way.
00:44:11
Speaker
I'm just going to point that out.
00:44:13
Speaker
Nobody did ask me, but if they did, I would definitely not spend half of my movie with my marquee superhero for an entire comic book company.
00:44:26
Speaker
not having the ability to kick ass.
00:44:28
Speaker
And he just kind of strolls through the city with raindrops keep falling on my head
J. Jonah Jameson and New Trilogy Excitement
00:44:33
Speaker
playing.
00:44:33
Speaker
Like that's not how I would have made that movie.
00:44:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:37
Speaker
You know, one character that we haven't talked about, and I think he's equally as great, is J. Jonah Jameson.
00:44:45
Speaker
Even better in this movie than the first one.
00:44:47
Speaker
I mean, even better.
00:44:49
Speaker
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
00:44:50
Speaker
And I love, too, how, you know, not only does he have, you know, like funny scenes, but he also, you know, has the serious scene where he's just like, ugh.
00:45:01
Speaker
I drove Spider-Man away again.
00:45:03
Speaker
I'm paraphrasing.
00:45:04
Speaker
I don't remember the exact dialogue, but he's like, we, we could have used them now if I hadn't driven them away.
00:45:10
Speaker
And, um,
00:45:13
Speaker
you know, one of his whatever you want to call him, his editors or, you know, the guy in the glasses is like, he's the only one who could have stopped Octavius and he just rolls his eyes and he's like, yep, that's true.
00:45:26
Speaker
Like he's so like he's so annoyed with him and it's supposed to be like a serious scene like, oh, no, Spider-Man's gone.
00:45:34
Speaker
And then he just, you know, he immediately turns it on when he turns around and he takes the suit off the wall.
00:45:41
Speaker
He's like, he's a menace.
00:45:43
Speaker
I knew it.
00:45:43
Speaker
Spider-Man.
00:45:44
Speaker
Like he flips the switch so quick.
00:45:48
Speaker
And yeah, I, he's better in the, in the second than he was in the first.
00:45:52
Speaker
And he was amazing.
00:45:54
Speaker
And the first,
00:45:56
Speaker
Even the bit at the end where he cancels the caviar, the wedding is clearly over.
00:46:01
Speaker
Like that just kills me because it's, it's quintessential, uh, Jane, uh, Jonah, you know, it's, um, at least the way they're, they're interpreting him for us.
00:46:12
Speaker
And I got to say, just, you know, seeing him in this, um,
00:46:16
Speaker
makes me so giddy about what we might get in the next Tom Holland Spider-Man, knowing that that J.K.
00:46:25
Speaker
Simmons was at the end of the last, you know, the middle Spider-Man movie of this trilogy, which, by the way, Matt, have you heard?
00:46:33
Speaker
I think the news broke today that Sony and Marvel are in the process of setting up a new Spider trilogy starring Tom Holland.
00:46:43
Speaker
Like there's a new Spider-Man trilogy
00:46:45
Speaker
films that have basically been green lit and are going to be in production.
00:46:49
Speaker
Yeah.
00:46:50
Speaker
I did hear that.
00:46:52
Speaker
I was literally reading that right after I got my tickets for no way home, which, you know, talk about a kid that runs, runs downstairs to see a hundred presents like under the Christmas tree.
00:47:06
Speaker
Like, um,
00:47:07
Speaker
When I hit get tickets and it went through, like, I'm not even kidding.
00:47:12
Speaker
My body was like filled with like, oh my God, I'm going to see it.
00:47:16
Speaker
The tough part is my tickets are not until 1050 on Thursday night.
00:47:23
Speaker
So I am going to like have to avoid everything and everybody because that's
00:47:32
Speaker
So many people will have seen this movie by now.
00:47:34
Speaker
I'm sure it'll be all over the internet.
00:47:36
Speaker
So I am going to be in deep dark ages times in terms of phones and computers and everything else in between.
00:47:46
Speaker
You're going to have to construct a Faraday cage around your house to keep all signals from getting in.
00:47:50
Speaker
Right, exactly.
00:47:52
Speaker
So I will say that the one thing that I loved is one of his conditions to come back was actually they wanted him to not have the mustache anymore.
00:48:04
Speaker
And he said he would do the haircut, but he had to have the signature mustache.
00:48:09
Speaker
So I actually kind of really respect that, that he was so...
00:48:12
Speaker
like he was eager to come back and play the character, but he had like a caveat to do it.
00:48:17
Speaker
And he said, like, he still had to have that signature look.
00:48:20
Speaker
So I respect that.
00:48:22
Speaker
Well, and it kind of makes you wonder, we, we know that with a third one is going multiversal in some way.
00:48:30
Speaker
We know that.
00:48:31
Speaker
Um,
00:48:34
Speaker
what is I'm picturing a scene where possibly multiple spider people are talking to one another and they realize they have the same Jonah, like that they're dealing with.
00:48:46
Speaker
That would be really funny to me.
00:48:48
Speaker
That's just like, yeah, that guy just pervades through the multiverse.
00:48:51
Speaker
Like I'm picturing something like that.
00:48:53
Speaker
And I think it'd be really funny.
00:48:55
Speaker
I'd love to see how they're going to make that work.
00:48:58
Speaker
Seeing that would actually be a lot of fun, you know,
00:49:02
Speaker
Hopefully we get enough of him again.
00:49:06
Speaker
There's, there's so much going on with this movie and what could and could not happen.
00:49:14
Speaker
It's going to be a pretty tough balancing act, I think.
00:49:17
Speaker
So I'll be interested to see how much screen time he actually gets and what it means for him going forward, especially, you know, like you said, given the announcement that there is another trilogy that they will be doing.
00:49:31
Speaker
Um, you know, how much will he be involved going forward with these, with these new Spider-Man movies?
00:49:37
Speaker
And how much will other Sony properties, you know, for example, like Morbius, you know, seeing Michael Keaton in the trailer, um,
00:49:49
Speaker
If you're not careful, you can start thinking some crazy things about what the next No Way Home film is going to be about.
00:49:56
Speaker
And all of the ways they're going to pull stuff in.
00:50:00
Speaker
You could go a little nutty and it'd be way bigger than what they could truly contain in one film.
00:50:06
Speaker
Because it really does look like they're going to go with at least an element of...
00:50:12
Speaker
of the really iconic story where he actually makes a deal with Mephisto to, uh, make everybody forget that he's Spider-Man.
00:50:20
Speaker
Um, brand new day is the, is the name of the storyline.
00:50:23
Speaker
It was escaping me for a second.
00:50:25
Speaker
Um,
00:50:26
Speaker
And he makes this deal.
00:50:28
Speaker
And part of the deal is he and Mary Jane can't be together.
00:50:31
Speaker
And I don't know why that's part of the deal.
00:50:33
Speaker
Like, I don't really remember that aspect of why Mephisto says that they got to do that.
00:50:36
Speaker
But that's how everybody forgets because he unmasks himself as part of the events of civil war.
00:50:41
Speaker
And it's like this whole big thing.
00:50:44
Speaker
And there's a lot of fans who have really strong feelings about the undoing of that or not.
00:50:50
Speaker
So, yeah, I'm excited to see it.
00:50:54
Speaker
And I can't wait.
00:50:56
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:56
Speaker
So Rob, who would you say?
00:51:00
Speaker
I mean, for me, I'll start this off.
00:51:03
Speaker
It's it's once again, Mary Jane for me in this movie.
00:51:06
Speaker
She is my absolute least favorite character.
00:51:08
Speaker
She's held that spot between the first movie and the second movie.
00:51:13
Speaker
But for me, my favorite character in this movie is definitely Harry.
00:51:18
Speaker
Again, I think his his arc is incredibly well done.
00:51:22
Speaker
from the first movie to the second movie, his relationship with Peter and how, you know, when he finds, when Octavius brings Spider-Man to Harry,
00:51:36
Speaker
And he pulls off the mask, like the sheer, like look of betrayal, hurt, sadness, like everything, confusion.
00:51:46
Speaker
He portrays that so well.
00:51:48
Speaker
And just, you know, again, the look on his face when he says, Peter, I,
00:51:55
Speaker
you killed my father.
00:51:56
Speaker
And you can see, like, his eyes are welled up, and, you know, we've said a lot of things about the dialogue, but, man, that line back from Toby with there are bigger things happening here than you and me.
00:52:10
Speaker
Like, boy, you talk about a scene that works in this movie.
00:52:16
Speaker
That is one of them.
00:52:17
Speaker
But for me, it definitely is Harry in this movie where he is my favorite character.
00:52:23
Speaker
I'm not going to disagree with any of that.
00:52:25
Speaker
MJ still my least favorite character.
00:52:27
Speaker
And it's, it's really sad.
00:52:29
Speaker
Harry, very, very well written.
00:52:32
Speaker
I do have some minor issues with this scene that you're talking about in particular.
00:52:36
Speaker
He's all wrapped up in the barbed wire.
00:52:38
Speaker
And as soon as he pulls the mask off, Peter just kind of jumps up and just kind of like takes in a big breath and pops the wire off.
00:52:44
Speaker
Like, why don't you do that sooner?
00:52:46
Speaker
Like, I would have loved to have seen him like have to like wake up a little bit to explain that.
00:52:50
Speaker
Cause it seems like he could have just done that anytime he wanted to.
00:52:53
Speaker
And there's a lot of tropes in film that I hate.
00:52:59
Speaker
And one of the ones we discussed recently was the we're not so different, you and I. And I hate that one.
00:53:06
Speaker
And it appears all the time.
00:53:08
Speaker
One of the other ones that I hate that appears almost as frequently.
00:53:12
Speaker
And it's just lazy screenwriting is scenes where conflict is introduced for the sake of conflict that could literally just be cleaned up in about 45 seconds of normal human
Script Issues and Train Scene Praise
00:53:24
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communication.
00:53:24
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Like Harry, listen, I didn't want to have to tell you this.
00:53:27
Speaker
I was trying to protect you.
00:53:29
Speaker
Your dad was the green goblin.
00:53:31
Speaker
Something happened.
00:53:32
Speaker
He took the formula, whatever.
00:53:36
Speaker
I he he killed you know he was killed during a battle I didn't actually kill him his glider killed him I just I didn't want to tell you that that was the case I was trying to protect you now how long did that take that was probably less than 45 seconds
00:53:51
Speaker
I kind of feel like they're still going to have some stuff to work out.
00:53:58
Speaker
And I like his line, Harry, there's bigger things at work than you and I right now.
00:54:02
Speaker
I like what he's got going on there, but I really feel like there's really no reason.
00:54:07
Speaker
I don't want to say no reason.
00:54:09
Speaker
There's...
00:54:11
Speaker
there shouldn't be the level of tension that still exists.
00:54:13
Speaker
There's a very simple way to at least begin the explanation that allows them the opportunity to work on some things and they can still retain a friendship moving forward.
00:54:24
Speaker
Especially with now the fact that Harry knows his secret.
00:54:28
Speaker
Right, exactly.
00:54:29
Speaker
So yeah, I agree with that.
00:54:30
Speaker
I think that's a very, very good point.
00:54:34
Speaker
You know, what is with everything, you know, being said there,
00:54:40
Speaker
What would you say is your actual favorite scene from this movie?
00:54:45
Speaker
Favorite scene is definitely when we get Octavius and and Spider-Man actually fighting, like really fighting for the first time.
00:54:53
Speaker
And it goes out onto the train and, you know, there's there's creative use of of Octopus's arms.
00:55:01
Speaker
You know, Peter swings.
00:55:03
Speaker
We still don't really get the the humor of the character fully.
00:55:09
Speaker
I mean, sometimes the guy doesn't shut up, you know, ever, you know, in certain interpretations of the character in certain ways that we've seen him.
00:55:15
Speaker
And I kind of miss that from the the Tobey Maguire, Sam Raimi series.
00:55:21
Speaker
But I think it's it was such a great because because Dr. Octopus is definitely like if you if you talk about the iconic Spider-Man villains, everybody's going to go to Venom, I think probably right away.
00:55:31
Speaker
Venom and Carnage.
00:55:33
Speaker
But Dr. Octopus is absolutely right up there.
00:55:37
Speaker
And this was a great scene.
00:55:39
Speaker
First time we've really seen, first time we've seen those characters on camera together and it worked really well.
00:55:45
Speaker
Yeah, I think that is, for me, that's the obvious choice in this movie is that is the, you know, probably the scene that everybody talks about.
00:55:55
Speaker
Certainly, you know, when you type in Spider-Man 2, like one of the first clips that pops up
00:56:02
Speaker
for YouTube or anything else is the train scene.
00:56:06
Speaker
Um, I, I think that's a really easy choice, but also, you know, the logical and the, and the right choice for this movie, I think it represents a lot of what Spider-Man is supposed to be.
00:56:18
Speaker
And it was very, very well done.
Box Office Success and Production Insights
00:56:20
Speaker
So,
00:56:22
Speaker
You know, let's move on here to roll credits where we talk about interesting facts about the film, some box office, some behind the scenes.
00:56:32
Speaker
We also get into the overall rating system, simple rating system, one through five.
00:56:37
Speaker
How do we feel about the movie?
00:56:39
Speaker
But.
00:56:40
Speaker
you know, Rob, we talked about Spider-Man one where it broke so many box office records and held them for so long.
00:56:47
Speaker
And one of the things that I actually find really surprising about this movie is, you know, Rob, regardless of our, you know, our personal opinions, people that you talk to or things that you read, you know, this movie is widely regarded as the best Spider-Man film.
00:57:04
Speaker
Would you not agree?
00:57:05
Speaker
Like from based on everything that you see?
00:57:09
Speaker
Of this original trilogy, I think a lot of people are starting to get into the Tom Holland series and find a lot more fun in that.
00:57:16
Speaker
But there's definitely people that look at this one as their favorite of the original trilogy.
00:57:23
Speaker
And that was for a very, very long time.
00:57:26
Speaker
And it certainly was talked about more than Spider-Man 1.
00:57:29
Speaker
It had better critical reception than Spider-Man 1, even though Spider-Man 1's critical reception was very good.
00:57:37
Speaker
But what I find incredibly odd about that is with all of that happening, this movie did $788.6 million versus Spider-Man 1's $821 million.
00:57:45
Speaker
I've always find that odd that the movie out of this trilogy that people consider the best still did...
00:58:03
Speaker
less than what the first movie did.
00:58:05
Speaker
And, you know, this wasn't a time when the box office was super expensive or, you know, we certainly didn't have the pandemic and the coronavirus like we do now.
00:58:13
Speaker
So it's not like people weren't going to the theaters, but I've always been surprised that this movie did not pass Spider-Man one at the box office.
00:58:23
Speaker
Hmm.
00:58:23
Speaker
I wonder, uh, what if there was anything else that opened that same weekend or was kind of running all at the same time that inhibited it?
00:58:31
Speaker
You know, I do, if I recall, I think, I mean, it held the single day record for Wednesday for three years until Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.
00:58:44
Speaker
It did break the opening day record of 40 point, well, it made 40.4 million for its opening day beating Spider-Man 1.
00:58:53
Speaker
I do believe actually Pirates of the Caribbean, the second one was coming out when this one did as well.
00:59:02
Speaker
You think how groundbreaking the original Spider-Man film was and how long it had been.
00:59:09
Speaker
The original X-Men film notwithstanding, since we got a good superhero movie on the big screen, I think the fact that the first one was good and people enjoyed it created a buzz that... It's hard to capture that buzz again.
00:59:31
Speaker
Yeah, that's absolutely true.
00:59:35
Speaker
I'm trying to think.
00:59:38
Speaker
I'm actually trying to look this up to see if it Wednesday.
00:59:44
Speaker
Oh, a year later, Star Wars Episode 3 came out.
00:59:47
Speaker
Interesting.
00:59:48
Speaker
Yeah, no, I don't see anything that really came out during this time frame that would have done that.
00:59:54
Speaker
So yeah, maybe it was just the fact that Spider-Man 1 was so groundbreaking at the time and
01:00:00
Speaker
It's hard to follow up even with a better movie.
01:00:03
Speaker
But one thing that also is really interesting to me, there's two things.
01:00:10
Speaker
One, Dr. Octopus was actually supposed to be in the first movie, and they'd even storyboarded things for him and had his design already set up.
01:00:22
Speaker
And he was supposed to be with Green Goblin, but they thought it would take away from the overall story that they were trying to tell in the first movie.
01:00:30
Speaker
but they love the design and what they want to do with the character so much that that's why he was the villain of the second movie, but he was originally supposed to be in the first movie as a second villain villain with green goblin.
01:00:44
Speaker
And I'll tell you one of the things I like about this movie is they didn't fall into the trap that we see in so many superhero films that get a sequel where they throw two villains at you.
01:00:54
Speaker
Now we see it time and time again.
01:00:56
Speaker
It's just, it happens all the time.
01:00:59
Speaker
And it's, it's a,
01:01:00
Speaker
it's a lazy way of upping the stakes.
01:01:03
Speaker
So, okay.
01:01:03
Speaker
You put your first film out and now for the second film, we have to raise the stakes somehow.
01:01:07
Speaker
Okay.
01:01:07
Speaker
Well, what can we do?
01:01:08
Speaker
Well, let's put two villains against him.
01:01:11
Speaker
Okay.
01:01:12
Speaker
He like, and we see it happen all the time and it's, it's become its own trope.
01:01:16
Speaker
And I'm glad that they gave Dr. Octopus the, and Alfred Molina as well, the opportunity to just, you know,
01:01:24
Speaker
portray his character and, and tell that story, um, and, and tell that relationship the way that they did without having to introduce a second character that never really gets fleshed out fully.
01:01:35
Speaker
And, you know, it has to almost be, you know, a little more cartoony, um, in the, in the way that happens.
01:01:41
Speaker
And, and it just, you see it all the time, you know, I mean, can you really think of a film that had two main villains that, that really worked well?
01:01:49
Speaker
I mean, there's people who like Batman forever.
01:01:51
Speaker
It's, it's not terrible.
01:01:53
Speaker
Um,
01:01:54
Speaker
it's certainly not the worst Batman movie I've ever seen.
01:01:56
Speaker
And it's certainly not the worst movie with Batman in it that I've ever seen.
01:02:01
Speaker
But other than that, I'm struggling to think of, I mean, in Batman returns, you really think Catwoman's a villain?
01:02:06
Speaker
I mean, kind of, sort of, not really.
01:02:09
Speaker
You know, I'm just trying to think of a film with two villains in it that actually really works.
01:02:14
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Right.
01:02:14
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Yeah.
01:02:14
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No, I'm missing.
01:02:19
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I mean, the only one I can, maybe the only one I can think of,
01:02:24
Speaker
Is it Dark Knight?
01:02:25
Speaker
You know, there's two villains in that if you consider kind of Two-Face's turn to the dark side at the end, but... Right.
01:02:32
Speaker
I mean... That's a slow progression.
01:02:36
Speaker
Could you consider X2?
01:02:37
Speaker
I mean, Magneto still is bad, but I mean, realistically, it's only at the end he never really has to fight the X-Men.
01:02:45
Speaker
It's mostly their fight against Stryker, so I didn't think you could consider X2.
01:02:51
Speaker
Yeah, I...
01:02:54
Speaker
Listeners throw something in the comments.
01:02:56
Speaker
If there's one we're missing, tell us in the comments.
01:02:59
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Yeah, absolutely.
01:03:00
Speaker
Um, and then the last thing behind the scenes that I have robbed that I I've never, there's never been exact confirmation.
01:03:09
Speaker
People have tiptoed around it, but there's certainly plenty of evidence, um, to show that it was very close that Toby McGuire was almost replaced in this movie.
01:03:19
Speaker
Um, he said that he had a back injury and he couldn't film, um,
01:03:25
Speaker
They thought he was using it as leverage to get a bigger contract to the point where, according to a lot of sources at the time and even things now, they actually met with Jake Gyllenhaal to actually replace Tobey Maguire in this movie before it started filming.
01:03:46
Speaker
I could, so you had listed off some, some actors that were considered to play, um, some of the roles for the first one.
01:03:54
Speaker
And I, I didn't really see any of those.
01:03:56
Speaker
I don't think, uh, working well.
01:03:58
Speaker
Um, I could see Jake Gyllenhaal as Peter Parker at the age that he would have been at the time.
01:04:05
Speaker
I could have actually seen that.
01:04:06
Speaker
I think it would have worked.
01:04:08
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Yeah.
01:04:09
Speaker
So again, I never got, you know, I've never seen direct confirmation that it is, um,
01:04:15
Speaker
But there's certainly a lot of things that point to they did meet with Jake Gyllenhaal right before this movie started filming.
01:04:22
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It certainly leads there.
01:04:23
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And eventually, Jake Gyllenhaal ended up in a Spider-Man movie with his portrayal of Mysterio.
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So everything comes full circle.
01:04:32
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Right.
01:04:32
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It all worked out.
01:04:34
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But it does make you pause and think like, hmm.
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what if Tobey Maguire would have been recast?
01:04:41
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Would Spider-Man 3 have turned out differently?
01:04:47
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What could have been if that actually had to happen, but it didn't?
01:04:52
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I think for all parties involved, it worked out very well.
01:04:56
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But I always found that interesting that they thought it was a leverage tool to try and get more money, but he was stating that he just wasn't physically able to shoot at the time.
01:05:08
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Yeah, because you know what?
01:05:10
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I almost think I heard something about this.
01:05:11
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Was it when he was filming Seabiscuit?
01:05:14
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Was that what caused it?
01:05:15
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Yes, exactly.
01:05:18
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Yeah, it's one of those things that'll be it'll be a great oral history, you know, to read someday if they ever publish that one, because there's always going to be conflicting stories and people will misremember things.
01:05:30
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But that would be that would be interesting to find out some of those details.
01:05:34
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Yeah.
01:05:35
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So, you know, Rob, anything else that you have, like interesting facts about the film or anything like that?
01:05:43
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I kind of want to talk about the opening and closing credits for just two seconds.
01:05:48
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I really love the opening credits of this movie with how they kind of give you the plot points of the first film.
01:05:54
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But it's done in a realistic comic book setting.
01:05:59
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The characters look like the actors that portray them.
01:06:03
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I kind of love that.
01:06:04
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So I just finished the first movie like two days ago.
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So it was fresh in my mind.
01:06:08
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But if you haven't seen the first movie in a while and you want to turn this one on, I think it's a great way to kind of catch everybody up to what's going on.
01:06:15
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I really thought the opening was really, really cool.
01:06:18
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And then the end credits, I completely forgot that there exists a Michael Buble version of the Spider-Man theme.
01:06:26
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I did not remember that that existed.
01:06:29
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And now that is my gift to you.
01:06:31
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The listener is that that's out there.
01:06:33
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If you want to enjoy that, you can have it.
01:06:37
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Well, there you go.
01:06:39
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A great way to end the, the facts section and move us into the rating system.
01:06:48
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One to five.
01:06:49
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How does this movie rate now?
01:06:51
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For listeners, I'll do a quick recap.
01:06:53
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Rob, you rated the first Spider-Man 3.75 out of five, and I gave it an even four.
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I'll ask the same question we asked last time.
01:07:05
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Did you have an idea in your head of where this movie would rate?
01:07:10
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And after your rewatch, did it change?
01:07:14
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Um, yes.
01:07:16
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And yes.
01:07:17
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Um, so the first Spider-Man film I thought was going to be higher than, than what it actually came out on, on my recent rewatch.
01:07:26
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I thought this film would be lower than where it came out for me on my, on my rewatch that I finished, uh, earlier tonight.
01:07:32
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I, uh,
01:07:33
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I remembered how boring the middle part of this movie was, uh, to me, uh, where, you know, he loses his mojo and he doesn't have powers and he's a regular guy.
01:07:42
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And they spent a lot of time telling that part of the story.
01:07:46
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Um, and just the frustration of him getting his butt kicked at the beginning of the movie.
01:07:50
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And then just the awkwardness between him and MJ, just, it never really feels like it worked to me.
01:07:55
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Like I remembered all of those things for some reason and didn't remember how many other things of this movie actually really do work.
01:08:02
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So, um,
01:08:04
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kind of in my head.
01:08:06
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I had this as a three coming into it.
01:08:09
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Um, on my most recent rewatch, I had it.
01:08:12
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I now have it as a three and a half.
01:08:15
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All right.
01:08:16
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Well, you know, I remember this movie, at least I thought I did very vividly.
01:08:24
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And when I first saw it, I definitely had this movie at a five.
01:08:28
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I was like, Oh my God, this is so great.
01:08:30
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It improves on everything.
01:08:31
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The first one did in a major way.
01:08:34
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And then rewatching, I was like, OK, it improves on what the first one did, but it also has some of the same problems that the first one did.
01:08:44
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So I still have I have Spider-Man one and two, both rated at a four, even though.
01:08:53
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You know, there's different reasons for that.
01:08:55
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I still have them ranked at the same overall in terms of how I feel they are as a film overall.
01:09:01
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I feel the first one does some things better in terms of the storytelling.
01:09:05
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I feel the second one does some things better, especially in terms of the fight sequences in this movie are much more in line than compared to Spider-Man one.
01:09:15
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But I also give this one a four, just like the original.
01:09:19
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You know, I think that's one of those things like you can talk about movies with people that whose opinions you trust and you could be like, yeah, I don't really see that.
01:09:27
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But, you know, I'm not sure where, you know, like, for example, anybody who thinks that The Last Jedi is is watchable is like, I just don't understand that.
01:09:35
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But I think there's nobody out there like that.
01:09:39
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I just can't imagine who that would be.
01:09:40
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Sociopaths, Matt.
01:09:41
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That's who that's who likes The Last Jedi.
01:09:43
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Sociopaths only.
01:09:44
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Yeah.
01:09:46
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It's been a while since we've worked a last Jedi reference and I'm glad that we got to that.
01:09:50
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I think this is one of those ones that if you tell me you really like this movie, I get it.
01:09:56
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I get it.
01:09:57
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If you tell me you really dislike this movie, I, you know,
01:10:01
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I get parts of it, but I think there's enough here to like where I don't really understand fully if you tell me you don't like this movie.
01:10:08
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So if somebody told me they liked it as a five, I would kind of have some questions about a five, I think.
01:10:12
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But if I have it as a three and a half, you have it a four, I go, yeah, I can see why somebody would grade this movie as a four reels kind of movie.
01:10:22
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Yeah, again, I think there's definitely some wiggle room there to sit there and say, yeah, definitely.
01:10:29
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Like you said, if somebody was like, no, this movie's garbage, I'd be like, oh, I really have to hear that because that I just don't get.
01:10:39
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But I would love to hear your reasoning behind it.
01:10:41
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Yeah.
01:10:43
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If somebody was like, oh, this is because I have heard that and I really would if any listener here, like actually has this as the greatest like comic book movie ever, because I have heard that argument.
01:10:56
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I would love to hear your side of that, you know, interact with the shows, social media pages.
01:11:02
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You can email the show.
01:11:03
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Um, cause I have heard that, but I would love to hear why this movie resonates so well with you.
01:11:10
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Um, cause that's just one of the fascinating things about doing this show is just hearing all the different opinions.
01:11:15
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So, and, and by the way, it's judgment free.
01:11:17
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So if you want to contribute, if you want to submit your idea, um, it's judgment free.
01:11:23
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Like it's your, you don't have to defend it.
01:11:25
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Like if you really like this movie, okay, great.
01:11:27
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Tell us why, you know, I think, um,
01:11:30
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And Matt, we definitely saw this with some of the Star Wars rankings.
01:11:33
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We saw some people were like, yeah, this is my ranking.
01:11:36
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Don't jump on me.
01:11:38
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We definitely saw where people said that.
01:11:39
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And it kind of...
01:11:42
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I don't know.
01:11:42
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It makes me sad that fandom has kind of turned into that a little bit in different dark corners of the web.
01:11:49
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So yeah, if you really like this movie, if one of us is way off in an opinion about this movie or any movie that you've heard being reviewed on the Matt Goes to the Movies channel, submit your opinion.
01:12:02
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Send an email, mgttmpodcasts at gmail.com or certainly comment on any of the posts on any of the social media channels.
01:12:11
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And tell us if you agree or disagree and you will not be mocked for your opinions.
01:12:17
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Yeah.
01:12:19
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You know, speaking of commenting, I was just able to actually give away.
01:12:25
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Well, yeah.
01:12:27
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Prior, I was able to give away copies of Snake Eyes, G.I.
01:12:31
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Joe Origins.
01:12:32
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That was really cool.
01:12:34
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I also just recently gave a digital download copy away of Venom to Westward Media from Instagram.
01:12:42
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So that was really cool as well.
01:12:44
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So I still have digital download codes that I am giving away to listeners who are interacting and leaving reviews for the show.
01:12:52
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So I still have as digital downloads Howard the Duck.
01:12:57
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I have Altea Battle Angel.
01:12:59
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I have Tenant.
01:13:01
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I still have a digital copy of Snake Eyes and Scott Pilgrim vs. the World.
01:13:06
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So listeners, if you're interested in any of those, that will still be in the show notes.
01:13:11
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Comment, leave a review, and it will make you eligible for one of those digital downloads.
01:13:14
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It's one of the cool things that I have been able to start doing with the podcast is to kind of give something to listeners that have interacted with the show.
01:13:24
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So continue to do so.
01:13:27
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So somebody pick Howard the Duck and then let us know how it is.
01:13:31
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Like, let us know your honest thoughts.
01:13:34
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I bought Howard the Duck in 4K because it was released in 4K.
01:13:38
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So...
01:13:44
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It is one of the worst and best things I have ever watched in my life.
01:13:52
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So if listeners want to have a rough idea of what the Matt goes to the movies studio looks like, it's, it's every DVD and Blu-ray you can imagine.
01:14:03
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But honestly, at the end of this film,
01:14:05
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that we're talking about now when Harry walks into where all the goblin stuff is and all of the goblin bombs are like meticulously set up.
01:14:14
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Like they're all at the same angle.
01:14:16
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They're all equidistant apart.
01:14:18
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Like they're literally, somebody got out a protractor and a laser level when they were setting those things up.
01:14:23
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Like who has time to do that when they're an evil supervillain?
01:14:26
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Like, honestly, like who does that?
01:14:29
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But that's how Matt's action figures look, like set up at the Matt Goes to the Movies studio.
01:14:34
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Like it's Funko Pops, it's Bobbleheads, it's action figures that are all set up with that kind of precision.
01:14:42
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It really isn't.
01:14:43
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I literally just redid them.
01:14:45
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Yeah.
01:14:48
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So it's those and DVDs of everything and Blu-rays of everything you can imagine.
01:14:53
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Yeah.
01:14:54
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Yeah.
01:14:54
Speaker
I went on a spree too with Black Friday on 4K ones because there were a ton of movies that were on sale for $9.99 in 4K and I could not help myself.
01:15:08
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how are the duck being one of them?
01:15:09
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Yes.
01:15:10
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How are the duck being one of them?
01:15:12
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So, Oh man.
01:15:15
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But you know, listeners, thanks for tuning in today.
01:15:18
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I want to take a second here before we close out the show.
01:15:23
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You know, again, to, to thank Rob, I want to give a shout out to Harrison.
01:15:27
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We, we talked before we were able to, to record this episode.
01:15:31
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He was not able to make it for Spider-Man two.
01:15:34
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We are hoping, we know we'll get him for at least a couple episodes.
01:15:38
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Harrison from the Basement Binge, you guys are familiar with him.
01:15:42
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But Rob, again, I stated it.
01:15:45
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This was just, it's too big of an undertaking to do the whole thing by myself.
01:15:49
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So it's been a blast so far, the first two episodes.
01:15:53
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And maybe a little foreshadowing, but I look forward to probably laughing a lot with Spider-Man 3.
01:16:04
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Oh, boy.
01:16:05
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Oh, boy.
01:16:06
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If somebody open a window, I think this movie stinks.
01:16:09
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Yep.
01:16:10
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So, you know, Rob, last episode, you were able to talk about the extended universe.
01:16:17
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And I'd love for you to plug that one more time because, you know, as I was kind of sitting around the house today and really not doing anything, I had the day off from work.
01:16:26
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So I took this to just kind of be lazy.
01:16:28
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You know, I was going through the playlist from the extended universe and man, that that idea is just so cool.
01:16:36
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I'd really like you to just talk about that because those episodes that you've done again have been really popular on the show.
01:16:43
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So I'd love for you to plug that again.
01:16:47
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Sure.
01:16:47
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Well, thank you.
01:16:48
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Um, so, uh, you and I had the opportunity to, uh, join our friend Harrison on his show, the basement binge.
01:16:55
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Uh, I think we were talking about the, when he was doing, um, his, his, uh, fast and furious, uh, binge series, which, uh, quick plug for his show.
01:17:04
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He just finished up Nolan November.
01:17:06
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And, um,
01:17:07
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if you haven't checked out any of his stuff yet i certainly encourage you to do so uh his episode he did on the dark night it's one of my favorite movies and it's definitely one of my favorite episodes of his show that he's done he's got some really good behind the scenes details he put a lot of effort into that one and it and it was a lot of fun to listen to and i really appreciated it um but he'd kind of asked a question around why do you love movies and and uh so i gave him my answer and
01:17:32
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then I just kind of thought about it for a while and just kind of came up with this idea that I really wanted to get into some of the movies that have really left long lasting impacts on my life.
01:17:45
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And, and obviously my brother and I share a lot of those same movies that have had that impact on us.
01:17:50
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So I thought for sure it'd be a great time to talk about those on air with him.
01:17:55
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And we've picked some, we've picked four so far.
01:17:57
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We've, he's got a list, like every
01:17:59
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every couple of days we'll text each other another idea of one and he's the keeper of the list.
01:18:03
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So it's, we were afraid we'd run out of stuff.
01:18:06
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And then, and then all of a sudden we realized, Oh no, there are a lot of movies that have left like a long lasting impact or something that I, you know, I find myself thinking about, you know, big quotable lines from.
01:18:18
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So we started with fight club.
01:18:19
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We went to a good fellows,
01:18:22
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We did The Big Lebowski, and then most recently Gone in 60 Seconds.
01:18:26
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And one of the themes that kind of kept coming up, obviously iconic lines are important to iconic films, but the use of music throughout was something that we've both been really touched by.
01:18:37
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And we came up with this idea definitely for Gone in 60 Seconds.
01:18:42
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It works really well, but we call it Eric's EPU Extended Playlist.
01:18:47
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And what Eric's done is he's curated
01:18:51
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some really cool playlists based on each of the four films that we've reviewed on the EPU.
01:18:55
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It's the extended podcast universe.
01:18:58
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And the one for the one he did for gone in 60 seconds, it's just full of great jams, just start to finish great stuff.
01:19:06
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I, if you were, if you're running late to work, this is a good one to throw on because you'll get there faster than you, than you thought you could.
01:19:14
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It's a lot of early two thousands, like crystal method and Moby and like that kind of sound.
01:19:18
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And,
01:19:20
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Red Meth are on there from the Wu-Tang Clan.
01:19:24
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But it's stuff that's curated the best songs from the film itself.
01:19:30
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It's not just the soundtrack, so it's the best stuff from the films, as well as some other songs that fit the theme of the movie or just really fit in well with the kinds of songs that you'd find.
01:19:41
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So he's gone back and made one for all four of them.
01:19:45
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You can search on Spotify.
01:19:48
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for MG TTM EPU.
01:19:50
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There's four different playlists.
01:19:51
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There's Eleanor.
01:19:53
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There's, uh, um, this I am Jack's playlist, uh, is the one he did for, um, uh, uh, for fight club, which is the only way you could have gone, uh, white Russian and, uh, go get your shine box.
01:20:06
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So, uh, check those out and, uh, you can, you can rock out with some music.
01:20:10
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The one thing I will tell you for sure is when you really started listening to these playlists, uh,
01:20:14
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The one thing that it will absolutely do to you is it will really make you want to go watch the movie that it's based on because it's, it just brings you right back to it.
01:20:23
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Yeah, no, 100%.
01:20:25
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That playlist idea was so cool.
01:20:28
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Definitely has some amazing tracks on there.
01:20:32
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And again, the show has been, you know, those movies that you've covered have been super popular on the show.
01:20:39
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People have really taken to them, downloaded them, you know, check those out.
01:20:42
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So I really do look forward to the next time you're able to, you know, get together and record another episode because it's been extremely popular.
01:20:52
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You know, listeners, as far as this episode goes here, we're closing out.
01:20:57
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It's been an absolute blast.
01:20:59
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Coming up next will be Spider-Man 3, which I really look forward to because that one has been a very long time since I've seen that one.
01:21:11
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Obviously, Matt, why don't you watch that more often?
01:21:14
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Yeah, well, that that'll be a discussion for next time, because I'm going to be insanely curious to see what my thoughts are on this movie.
01:21:26
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Having fresh eyes on it, because it's not good.
01:21:30
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I'll let you know that as we're signing off here.
01:21:32
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But again, spoiler alert, we don't like this movie.
01:21:36
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Yeah, yeah.
01:21:37
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I doubt it's going to change, but stranger things have happened.
01:21:40
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So, listeners, I look forward to coming back here.
01:21:45
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I know Rob will be a part of Spider-Man 3.
01:21:47
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We're hoping Harrison, with his busy schedule, will be able to be a part of that one from the basement binge.
01:21:53
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But in the meantime...
01:21:55
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You know, head over to the Facebook page, Instagram, TikTok, leave your comments.
01:21:59
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Certainly, you know, leave your comments in this episode show notes.
01:22:04
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Don't forget to, you know, reply, get a digital copy.
01:22:07
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In the meantime, from Matt goes to the movies.
01:22:10
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And thank you so much for listening.