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Glick's Drive-In: David Earl Waterman
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The projector's humming and the Drive-In screen is lighting up Glick's Drive-In rolls tonight on The Nonsensical Network with special guest David Earl Waterman. Grab the popcorn, pull up to the screen, and enjoy a wild ride of stories, laughs,and unfiltered conversation under the neon lights. Press play... the show is about to start
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Introduction to Glick's Drive-In
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Pull on in, don't kill the lies
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We're talking stories deep into the night Mike is live and hot where the truth and the tall tales both belong From backstage laughs to the long road grind The stories you won't hear Anywhere online So roll on through
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You're hanging out at Glick's Drive-In. Where the guests pull up and the tales begin.
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Spilling secrets at Glick's Drive-In.
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Bus to the tour bus ride
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All the crazy moments they usually hide The laughs, the chaos, the almost wins Every story's welcome at Glick's driving So roll on through Slide on in Kick back a while at Glick's driving Where the mics are hot and the truth sneaks in Behind the scenes at Glick's driving From backstraight
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To back roads To the stories they probably shouldn't tell You're hanging out with Glick
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So buckle up Let the good times spin Another wild ride At Gleck's Driving Where the stories are real And the legends chime in Welcome to Gleck's Driving So roll on through Slide in You're hanging out
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Where the guests pull up and the tales begin Spilling secret tech blicks, driving
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What's going on guys welcome to clicks drive-in right here on the nonsensical network
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You know the drill hey we're alive powers back on the internet's background and hopefully everything will go smooth If you're new to the show well, so are we um Here on glicks driver we hang out with actors directors writers everybody for music and television And tonight is no different.
Guest Introduction: David Earl Waterman
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We have the one and only You might recognize him from, i don't know, maybe Friday. You might have seen him. Might have seen him in even a little David Arquette classic, Eight Lady and Freaks.
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Or many of other places and things that he's done. got my new friend, Mr. David Earl Waterman, hanging out with me tonight. I'm going to go ahead and bring him up. How you doing, sir? I'm doing great. It's such a such a treat and such a such a pleasure to be on the show. Let's drive in, man. it's It's so cool.
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but little thing, you know, a little something-something. I appreciate you being here, taking a little bit of time that again out of your day. Hopefully it's warm out there in your neck of the woods or...
Weather Talk: Florida and Ohio
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not so we yeah we're we're on a tornado watch right now here in florida yeah yeah oh man yeah it's definitely warm up here ohio the wind's been blowing last several days and it was 75 yesterday gorgeous except for the 40 mile an hour wind and then today it's 20 something and it's currently dumping snow on the ground. so Yeah, i was i was born in in upstate New York, born and raised in Ithaca, New York, which is kind of on the same plane as Ohio. So I'm familiar with old man winter.
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And you know such I try to avoid it as much as I can. you know But this was a winter. This is my mom saying. She's like, This was a winter. This sure was a Yeah, for sure. i I am not a fan, and I got away from it once upon a time, and I promise you I'm going to get away from it again, and I'm going to go back south eventually. Okay.
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Cool. I am not a fan of the winters. The older I get, I i tell people all the I don't know if I'm getting older or just grumpy. every Every winter, I just get more and more angry. just Funny how things get that way. yeah yeah Okay, enough of this. Yeah. yeah you know stop tea in and In New York, you know much like Ohio, you know we've it's been teasing us the last few weeks.
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It gives us these couple of just gorgeous days in the sixties and seventies. And Oh yeah, I can get out and do stuff. And then it's like, Oh, the next day when I plan on doing stuff, it's all winter still here. Don't forget my ugly face is still floating around.
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I know. I know everybody says it or it's not, it's not unusual for, for folks that, that live in a seasonal like climate. And I grew up, you know, until I was 33 years old, I was on, on the East coast, you know, It's like, well, when the spring comes, there's there's nothing like that rejuvenation. And yeah and and i I definitely concur. you know When I finally made the move out to L.A., was so enamored with the constant...
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beautiful weather ah that, you know, the negative side of it for me was I was on permanent vacation. I mean, would yeah like i'm there's the beach. There's one thing we do from seasonal cities and states is, you know, we party. So yeah that got out of control quick, but um I did get used to it. And, i you know, i can I can relate when people are say, yeah, when this the flowers come back and the robins, it is truly beautiful. it it That's...
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That would be the only thing that might take me back because I do own a house in Syracuse, New York, which is getting pounded now. Yeah. You know, I it's where I got my start in acting and it's probably where I finish it, you know, in Syracuse. Yeah, you're 100 percent right. when that When we finally get spring here, it is. It's like your battery is recharged instantly. Open the windows. and You get all that winter boot it out of the house and let that fresh air roll in. And, know, that you're like, yeah, it's time to feel good. that house Being cooped up all all winter long. But, you know, um speaking of acting, real quick for
David's Early Acting Background
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acting from the back.
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How long have you been in the acting world? you know I was looking a little bit at your your YouTube and your IMDB and whatnot. You're a busy guy. like you've You've done quite a bit.
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Yeah, I have, but I think it's ah it's only fair for your for your followers to to know the truth, you know because I'm about the truth. They should know that I contacted you to on the show.
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And while i'm i'm very and I'm very proud of my resume, super proud, and my immediate family, over the moon. yeah yeah but i if If there's anything I can do on Glick's Drive-In is to represent the working actor who lives their life mostly in obscurity and through the relationships they have with the big movie stars and how rewarding that is. But yeah, where I got started really...
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um My old man was a phys ed teacher and a health teacher at the high school that I graduated from. Oh, yeah. Yeah. so So growing up in Ithaca, New York, ah there was um an interesting kind of dynamic. There was Cornell University, which, you know, kind of a renowned Ivy League school, and Ithaca College.
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And at Cornell, there were a number of of professors that had kind of like a a presence, you know, which was in the media. Carl Sagan, for example, the astronomer. Back in the day, I was born in 64, so by 74 and 75, Carl Sagan was on the Johnny Carson show, and he was also shopping at the mall in town. So... you know when when people talk about seeing celebrities and stuff it's usually in LA like oh we guess who we saw in LA so I had a couple of encounters and Rod Serling from the Twilight Zone was uh the the on the board at Ithaca College Film Department and uh uh the Kling sisters their father I can't Peter Kling was the director of the film department at Ithaca College
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So um i was I was being sort of introduced just luckily by by these by these relationships. Anyway, my old man, Daryl Waterman, he really liked being in the school plays, you know, and he was one of those kind of teachers and still to this day, still alive, he's still with us. um He's a ham, he's a ham bone.
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and And he'd do clowning and close up magic and, you know, ah And he did, the first play that I saw him in was West Side Story. And he played Lieutenant Schrank. If anybody's familiar with that musical, like he's like the cop who's like trying to figure out where the rumbles to be. And I mean, I i was, I was, i I thought I was going to go see Cowboy. I thought it was about Cowboys, West Side Story, you know? And and at the same time, WPIX out of New York was running the film West Side Story.
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Oh, wow. Same week. Yeah. So I and and they WPIX, I think it was Channel 11. They did West Side Story in two nights. So they did it up until just before the Rumble and the second night they did the Rumble and then up to Tony's death. um Yeah. And so I'm seeing my dad do it live on stage and I'm seeing it on WPIX and my family is kind of tutoring me on what this is all about. But none of us have any real affiliation, you know, with film. And and at that time I was I was about six years old, seven years old.
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And from that moment on, i was the I have been acting most of my life. I mean, there's a psychological component to my career, which has been unraveled and looked at through two broken marriages.
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know a variety of like you know life on life's terms if you will um but yeah man i mean circumstantially i am uh another example of an individual that rather than have what was presented to me as a kind of david this is your life and this is your family my family busted apart by the time i was seven eight years old And I i and my parents, you know, everybody says it It's largely a truism. They do the best that they can with what they have. You know, parents, it's a hard gig. I've never done it. Yeah.
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But I totally appreciate you know how that went. And in my case, my parents remarried very quickly and I suddenly had these other families. And yeah um so i i I was looking for attention.
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and And I found very early in life that if I were to um sort of experiment with ah introducing aspects of play and who I was with my friends that were embellished, like simple stuff. My uncle has a speedboat down at the lake. If you ever want to go speed boating. Yeah. He lets drive it. You know, it was, and and it just never stopped. It never stopped. I mean, I was at a, I was on the phone with an ex-girlfriend last night, you know, and, I was telling her about a trip to Honduras I just took. And, uh,
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And I was like, I was telling her how was hiking up in the mountains and I was seeing these haciendas. and I see I ran into this English guy who has a, you know, his place is a vacation place. He was giving me the whole rundown on on it. And, you know, he's he's involved in like international finance. and And then I had to stop myself. And and I'm 61 years old.
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And I said, Jamie, to my ex-girlfriend, i said, Jamie, That didn't happen. The Haciendas were there, but I didn't meet anybody. yeah i didn't run into anybody. No, I just make the shit. I mean, and it's embarrassing, but it's it's not like i'm i'm I'm doing this malicious like scams or lies. I yeah don't know that I could be a hustler, but I i'm but yeah i got some Irish shimmy. My mother says you got the Blarney. So from six years old to this very moment on Glick's Drive-In, 95% of what I'm telling you will be truth and 5% will be made up
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And then we'll have to figure out that 5% during the show. but I'm so old. you know It doesn't matter. yeah know no I get that. I get that because a lot of times on some of the shows that I that that that i do on here,
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You know, I hype up my my ego. You know, I kind of come across egotistical and and whatnot. I mean, I got championship belts behind me and all this stuff. And and I'm not like that in real life. oh You know, in real life, yeah, I mean, I'll talk a little smack and stuff like that.
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But, yeah, I just kind of hype it up for, you know, for you know for the show or whatever, you know. but you know And I and i i think that that that within reason, you know, that for some of us and and in the acting business, it's it's easier to get away with that.
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As long as you as you can find, as I found that as long as I can get myself to the truth in whatever audience I'm with. yeah Now those belts, those are your belts behind you. yeah those are Those are actually custom-made belts for um the first show that I created. It's called Nonsensical Nonsense. We still do it every Saturday night. Yeah, that that's that's our marathon show. We do that six hours and okay you know we take the doors open and we let our fans and followers come up on panel with us and hang out with us. So I'm a wrestling fan too.
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um This one's actually a stone cold replica belt that a very good friend of mine sent me. um So I was like, why not hype up the personality that everybody likes to see on the show? And I'll get myself a couple of custom made championship belts when The one has the show logo on it. The other one was a a defect that that they originally sent me in the company. Shout out to Trophy Smack. When I reached out to customer service, they're like, we'll rush you on new one. Well, what do I do with this one that was defective? Oh, keep it that one's on us yeah That's good better. So I think I'm gonna put the network logos on that one. I just have to get the the vinyls and stuff for So so you I mean, so you get it I mean we we we as people that are consciously putting ourselves out there like okay everybody get together we're putting out a show and then i thought but at that and How about this? the the line between reality and imagination yeah can be crossed and thank god for for for entertainment to stage and then you know independent films college films so on so forth uh to to have that i'm very grateful that that outlet's there for me because that could have become a deviant you know like who knows like if you got if you got that gift
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it could It could go south pretty. pretty No offense to the south. You you could have wound up running with the the Jets or the Sharks or something. I could have i could could have been involved in that when I was a little kid.
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That's the thing, you know, like um when when I think to be a person who watches films, you know, um i really wish I could could help people understand that to get excited about the film, um there's there's more to the story. I think Comic-Con is the best example.
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I
Acting Passion in Army Reserve
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mean, and and you don't have to go to that level to where you're dressing up like Obi-Wan Kenobi or whatever. But it's so okay and it's so normal and important to be processing the experience of the story and and where your opinions fall and where your imagination or possibly you can borrow from that story. i I've been wearing the Jets and, you know, hip coat with a pop-up collar. Yeah. I've always had that coat in some form or fashion. yeah And I do flip up the collar. And you know I would walk by chain link fences in my small town where I grew up. I grew up in Ithaca, New York. And and and I would i would like rub roll my hand across the chain link fence like I'm getting ready for a rumble. you know it's just it was always clicking like that. Yeah. yeah yeah yeah sounds So it sounds like that that that acting bug bit you very early.
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And... and am I? it It is and it was like a blessing and a curse because you know once I found my way into a reality that was wow I'm actually doing this I'm i'm and it took a while you know for for anybody that that might be watching this or interested in in our our our mutual shared uh love of film and stuff um you know it's a lifelong thing that can happen early and it can happen later and it was both for me because
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Like I went into the army after high school. I, I, you know, was the army reserve. Um, but it it involved basic training and AIT. And then it, then it was a commitment because one weekend a month and, um, and two weeks in the summer. And because I was also in college and it was, it was during like the eighties and there was really no wars or anything going on, but we had a pretty good defense budget then. And my company commander said, you know, you can do two week trainings anytime you want.
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They're available year round. And so so summer break, Christmas break, I do two or three two week tours. And it was in that period, I was constantly entertaining my fellow soldiers and imitating NCOs and practicing and watching, you know, what was going on. No idea at that point that I was going to pursue an acting career.
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i you know I dug movies, I loved movie stars and Hollywood and had the fantasy, but um it wasn't until I was you know in my early 20s where I started, like things began to come together for me to actually like start having a an actual career as an actor. It was...
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i got I never lost i never lost ah the that place, you know, I think which is important for people. Like if you want to not only enjoy movies, but be in them and create stuff, which today everybody knows, I'm sure we're doing it right now. I mean, it's a cell phone and you could blow up.
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Yeah. Anymore. all you Yeah. Your cell phone and and any more than making the cell phones. Better than most cameras that are out there. Exactly. and it's it's you know and forget forget Please, it's never a waste of time to just...
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Do it. you know Make the worst version of it first. The best advice I got from ah actor comic Mark Cohen from New York. He's now in Vegas. He runs the Comedy Cellar in Las Vegas.
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Whenever he writes, he says, i write the i don't even stop and edit. I write the very worst version of my script. And I just get it done. And I don't care if it doesn't make sense. The plot line isn't there.
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The characters don't make sense. Just just finish it. You know, yeah, you just get that. You just get those thoughts down on paper and then you can kind of come back to them later and go, OK, let's move this. Put this here. Add this. Add this. Yeah, get that. I can please something.
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Yeah. yeah It's like you, you, you told me you've got like a number of shows up on the platform and ah you had said earlier to me, it was like, you know, I, I, I get all over the place with this, but that's so common in the creative space. yeah You're not going to be in it if you don't have that. Yeah, exactly. That's, and so I tell, you know, my poor girlfriend, um I'm like, part of my brain is in normal life. Like half my brain's in normal life and normal dayto day to day stuff. And the other half is, like I said,
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40 different places, 100 miles an hour, and it's like, oh, I got an idea. And there's no real thought process ah after I get that idea. i just Like you said with Mark, I just run with it.
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And then you get it out there all on paper, or you get it out there wherever, and then I sit down later and I go, how am I going to format this? How am I going to put this out there? you know how How am I going to introduce this? or Not even that, but even with guests, how do i approach guests? Because I don't know people in the movie and television world, but you know who does Facebook and social media.
Balancing Self-Expression and Audience
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So we'll see. And oh my name back and and that therein lies why you have a show with great graphics, a great intro song and a space for a person like me who doesn't.
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And that is because once you do your, your rough draft, Um, then to like I've seen it time and time again with great writers, uh, Bob Odenkirk, but it calls Saul. Okay. i love bob Oh, Bob's great. Uh, I haven't always loved him and I'll tell you why, because, uh, David cross, uh, who was part of the Mr. Show deal. Yeah. Uh, David cross was in, uh, the very first comedy group that I was involved in, in Boston back in the day. wow And, um,
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David Cross and Bob Odenkirk are both writers that um will not accept a script until it's been rewritten at least five times.
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You know, a guy like me who comes in on stage or in a bit and improv something or gets a script, and does it and then adds, like, submit something, like rewrite it, nine times out of 10, I won't do it.
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you know and And I think that what makes you and guys like Cross and Odenkirk and people that get shit done, you know that that actually have stuff online is that you're thinking about the audience.
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yeah And me, I'm thinking about what what am i doing and who am I? I'm more self-absorbed. And that's you know that's that's why i have to tell people I was an actor in movies. there is There is a level one needs to achieve, and I'm cool with that. i mean it's just That's just the reality. I'm not giving up. I might cross that line, yet, as an older guy, part of why i was so grateful to be on your show, to see if there's something still out there. But yeah, thats it definitely takes that.
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You've got to get to the the the all over the place a little bit more refined. for Yeah. i'm i'm goingnna I'm going to clip that, that you lumped me in with Bob Odenkirk and David Cross. you know I'm going to go ahead and clip that and put that on social media. Well, you you you kids I think it would be anybody in the entertainment business that actually has something viable to show. I mean, yeah, those guys have such a huge platform because they, and deservedly so, they they have great things. but So with David, I did this sketch called um Mom and Pop's Porno Shop, right?
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Because when in our comedy group, which was called Cross Comedy, um that that really was the door that opened up the big leagues for me. Because within that group was Louis C.K., Sarah Silverman, John Ennis, Chuck Sklar. uh who was a big writer with chris rock um i mean h john benjamin was in that comedy group yeah it was sick i mean laura silverman sarah so it was it was uh janine garofalo came through um
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Just, ah you know, a number of, of and and it was ah it was a it was a very kind of critically acclaimed group around those times when Strangers with Candy and and sketch comedy and stuff was starting to, Kids in the Hall was blowing up. and Yeah. A whole new comedy thing. So anyway, I wrote this sketch, ah and I was really, i you know, I got a communications degree from SUNY, ah a SUNY school in upstate New York, you know, so I kind of had some basic television writing and I went to Syracuse University for like a semester and did some some television radio stuff. So I kind of had my sea legs when it came to what was expected in writing.
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um And so we're doing these these really funny shows at stand up comics, doing sketch comedy, cross comedy in Boston at the old Catch Rising Star. And so I write this mom and pops porno shop. Right. And it's what what I would later learn is an evergreen sketch so in sketch comedy an evergreen sketch would be something akin to i live in a van down by the river you can do that sketch all the time there's always something new so mom and pop's porno shop is exactly what it was it was a middle class all-american family with very conservative values that had a adult store you know with all the bells and whistles the peep show booths the sex toys And um it was kind of within a a traditional Cosby show type, you know, comfortable environment. And it made for a really funny, honey, can you please go get those dildos? I mean, i gets it gets a little rough, you know, ah coming right up. And son, you've got us you've got to swab the peep show booths. That's your job. yeah You won't get your allowance, you know.
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and and my you know so anyway, that was done live on stage in Boston and New York City at Caroline's Comedy Show a number of times. Cut to four or five years later, we're all now in Los Angeles and people are starting to get big. Janine Grauffalo is doing TV and um but Ben Stiller is getting everybody on TV and you know Things are starting to cook with like the the alternative comedy scene and all like that. right And so Mr. Show busts through on HBO and they call me and say, can can you can we do mom and pop's porno shop?
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absolutely absolutely Yeah, man, ah you know, we'll give you a hundred bucks. Yeah. has written up and And I was, I sincerely, I was grateful. Like, you know, these, these guys are cooking and, and, you know, we're, we're, we're all going to make at least teacher salaries in the entertainment business. So this will be good. You know, i never saw the one hundred bucks.
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And then, like and, and, and which it didn't really matter to me, but two things like the next season, right. um Dave calls me in and he's like, yeah, you know, we're going to get some new writers. and And so in the first season, it was kind of people that Bob knew mostly.
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So the next season was Dave was going to bring in some of his people, which I was one. He and I were roommates actually for a while. And bella yeah, yeah. And so I had already got a sketch on the show and they called me in and I did an interview, like a a real interview. And I said, okay, that's cool. I guess why we do it out in Hollywood.
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And i got a call from my agent and they're like, yeah, they're going to pass. they They love you, Dave. Don't worry about it. But you just don't have the right tempo for the show. And I was like, no. but But they bought my, and it's like one of the top 20 sketches from what I understand. And, you know, but that it's that it's that kind of stuff that I, you know, you got you gotta to have a, if you're going to be in this thing and you want to participate in it, you you know, you got to have kind of a thick skin. They went on to write a book about the show afterwards and gave me a little honorable mention, which was like, yeah, yeah.
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Mom and Pop's Porto Shop was a sketch that we got from David Earl Waterman, um and it was not really developed, and we turned it into what it became
Creative Collaborations: Mr. Show
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eventually. and It was kind of like a boom.
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I held a resentment for far too long over that, but that's that's the long way around my story of like, I credit you with being Bob Odenkirk-like, but I didn't always like that guy ah But how great did he become, you know, in Day on Arrested Development? And, you know, the fact that they're still knocking it out of the park.
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you know for a desperate unknown guy who's been in it all these years you know it still gives like what i'm grateful for those guys it's like okay they're famous they made it they're doing fine and they're still working hard yeah and and and and that's kind of where i'm at now too it's like there's no there's no reason why you just can't keep throwing in your resume given yeah i mean at the end of the day that's all you can do i mean it's it's kind of like that old saying you know you miss 100 of the ah the shots you don't take at the end of the day.
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That's true. and And you really got to know that for everything, whether it's the entertainment business or anything like that. but no absolutely Absolutely. So it sounds like when you decided you were going an actor, it sounds like he kind of stayed close to home initially, or did you do the, uh, do the old, I'm going to go to Hollywood and be a famous actor. And then after a few years, it was, it was, uh, it was kind of, for me, it was like ah a start and stop. Like, uh, when I, when I was in my third year in the army and I, I was making money in the army and going and taking classes at the community college and and communications, um,
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I was all in. i was bartending, I was DJing and um doing like short films and stuff in college and at Syracuse and also plays. And that was within the central New York, like Ithaca, Syracuse. So yeah, I was at home. And and and then as my life would continue to recycle, it was a girl, you know. um i ah Terry Goldman, who who changed my life, you know, and It's so important and wonderful for me now to look back and see how many individuals that were far afield of the entertainment industry, but just
00:31:59
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by virtue of allowing me into their lives were so vitally important to my forward progression in this thing. Um, Terry was from Boston and I had no idea where or if, or when I would even get out of central New York, you know? And, um, in Boston, that's when I started going to comedy clubs and doing open mics and, um, failing miserably. And I would end up getting laughs by going into some weird character thing or improvisation. and um,
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you know i uh i was and then i'd go back to syracuse where i was studying and and and going to army reserve drills and i heard on the radio it was like wfnx in syracuse hey we're gonna get bob goldthwaite um you know who's uh i can't remember what bob's you know either he was in police academy right yeah academy yeah yeah yeah and ah um Bobcat. yeah that so Yeah. It's like bob Bobcat Goldthwait is going to be coming into the studio, a Syracuse local.
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And I stopped in my tracks. i was like, that motherfucker's from Syracuse? Like he's from where I'm standing right now? have no idea. Wow.
00:33:15
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and and and And it just, my heart started racing and my girlfriend invited me to, was saying, you should move to Boston, you should try it. Come to find out, Bob cut his teeth and and in Boston. And I start, you know, when I went to Boston and started getting into the clubs and talking to people, that's when I kind of began to expand out. And Boston was a hotbed of really great comedy. Marc Maron was there and like ah Dave Cross, a guy named Barry Crimmins and Stephen Wright was was coming out at that time.
00:33:49
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Yeah, so it was um it was pretty amazing, the opportunities that existed. There's so many people that were doing stuff. And yeah so then I went to New York and I i showcased at Caroline's and other Off-Broadway clubs and and was lucky to get an agent, got flown out to LA and started doing pilots out there, TV pilots. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:34:14
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He's done a little bit of everything, it sounds like. i just yeah it's it's just, you know, i'm i'm i that's the movies, you know. if you if you If you love movies and then you want to be in movies, ah so some something does take over, you know. ah And it then it did certain people have certain, you know, thresholds. And mine was...
00:34:36
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You know, i just I just kept running and gunning. But my entire career, man, I always went back to a day job because for me, i didn't, I was never able to put together for whatever reason. It doesn't even matter. I don't really dwell on it.
00:34:52
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But I was never able to put, to to have a thing begin to sustain to where, okay, this is all that I do. I would have these great runs. And then I'd be sitting around and I'd panic and I'd be like, well, okay, I just made a bunch of money. I bought a house in Syracuse or I bought a car. And then I'm coming up to broke. And Jay Leno and other people like that say, oh, you got to starve to be a an artist. i like, I don't really like starving.
00:35:20
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I'm an eater. And so I always worked and as ah as a counselor in group homes and and kind of like a paraprofessional, like my army career.
Social Work in Los Angeles
00:35:32
Speaker
and my college credits would always get me in summer camp jobs and mostly group homes for at-risk youth, which which in Los Angeles, I mean, I know this is not a political show, but yeah the reality of ah group homes and probation department and that kind of thing. And and just the dynamic the the demographics of Southern California, um you know, hip hop music and that culture yeah was predominant. And and that that opened up a whole other um experience for me that never really played out on stage, but
00:36:17
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without ever being in a film or or trying to produce hip hop, R&B, and sort of like that culture, ah you know i just immersed myself with my kids and my coworkers and and found myself spending a lot of time and in Compton, you know and in those parts of Los Angeles where a lot of my contemporaries never got out of Hollywood or Santa Monica.
00:36:45
Speaker
It was like, OK, that's the the showbiz part of Los Angeles. Then the rest of Los Angeles opened up for me and and I was on fire. And then a miracle happened, a straight showbiz miracle happened.
Unpredictable Industry Journey
00:36:58
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I was talking to a ah a set designer that I knew.
00:37:03
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and she's like we're in trouble i said what we need a cop we're doing a music video i said i'm free she goes yeah can you do it can you be a cop i said yeah yeah and uh there was this uh group called black street at the time and they were having some success there one lead singer dave hollister and he was doing the video for baby mama drama What the hell is going on? I got 5-0 knocking at my door. six end theone So i get on i get on set and it's like, we got a cop. you know We got a white cop. And everybody's like, yeah, we got a white cop. And the other cop was ah was a a black guy. He was cool. And we were both like, oh, this is so cool. I really didn't know that much about Black Street. But I knew that it was a thing. And it was being shot on location and in South LA. And ah yeah, so...
00:37:55
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there were no lines, right? But going all the way back to my beginning, you know being a kid that just once I start playing, it becomes reality. And now i my I'm in my thirty s you know and I'm in an LAPD suit.
00:38:09
Speaker
And the start of this music video is these two this couple arguing, and we're there to break it up. And I come out of the squad car in slow motion. And the other guy gets out of the driver's seat. We come around, and I'm like, put your... And I start without being told to do this by the director. Put your hands on your head.
00:38:29
Speaker
you know and we and and we're just going crazy and then they call cut and I realized, oh, I should, I probably, that was, and they ah do that again. yeah i and the guy directing the video was on board to direct next Friday.
00:38:45
Speaker
And he said, you want to be in next Friday? I'll put you in it. You know, you can be a cop. And I got i got up to the cast of Next Friday. I got to meet Cube and all that. All that stuff was just... And and and but and so that was a very small part in a very, very big movie, which I still get paid for today. But when I work with kids in my day job and I tell them I was in the movie Next Friday, that goes a long way to this day.
00:39:11
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Yeah, I mean, when you're when you're working in that environment, I mean, that's that's somebody, you know, that... that those groups of kids look up to, you know, and to say, oh yeah, I worked with them. You know, it's, it's you know, where some people got an Oscar last night and were, you know, over the moon holding their Oscar.
00:39:32
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i You know, it might be hard for some people to believe, but when I have an unruly group of students in a classroom I'm sub teaching for, or I got some kids in a group home that aren't having it for whatever reason, and somehow that can play in the mix and we can relate on that level.
00:39:49
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And I can tell them a cube story, a true cube story of how professional he is and what his true, you know, sort of contribution to hip hop, not as a gang banger,
00:40:02
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like EZE, who was great in his own right, but Cube was an art an academic, you know, whose mother pushed, you know, academics on him so that he could tell the story of of hip hop in the ah the universal way that he had and how professional he was on that set. And the kids initially are like, oh, were you smoking blunts? Was it crazy? there was no there was no there weren't any drugs allowed on that set yeah that was a professional that could you can't be you can't the two worlds really don't mix well most of the time and and lot you know a lot of artists will concur but what a great experience that was so grateful to have it to this day it's still i mean i think you might be able
00:40:50
Speaker
Oh, yeah, nice. That's awesome. And in Tampa, two years ago, the chili peppers, who I run into in Silver Lake, you know, I didn't know no the chili peppers, but they're not, it's not unusual to bump into them and stuff.
00:41:03
Speaker
But Ice Cube opened up for the chili peppers in Tampa two years ago, and I was at that show. And I went backstage and to the security guy and I said, hey, I was in next Friday. is there any way I can just say hey? and And I got to go back. And it was it it was you know it was more like a fan getting a nice little break. And there was an appreciative like, oh, yeah, okay yeah, sheriff number two, you know, kind of thing. But yeah i I mean, the rewards that I personally have gotten from my experience being in the entertainment industry
00:41:36
Speaker
Yeah, an Oscar would be great, but I'd almost be embarrassed to, you know, be sad that I didn't because I've been rewarded so much for just showing up, you know, live, you know. Sometimes the the the experiences, not only that, but, you know, to go back, like what you said, with the the group homes and and stuff like that, I mean, that in itself is a reward where you can find a way to connect with a kid that maybe, you know, obviously having issues dealing with things and you're able to find a way to connect with them and show them, hey, you know,
00:42:10
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there's There's another way. There's a better life. And and they you have that that in with them because of Ice Cube or you know somebody that they may look up to from their neighborhood or from their area. And in that way, for sure, absolutely. And it's it's it's like an Oscar-level award in my view, for sure. But as ah as ah as ah as a cinemaphile, a person who loves films or gaming or whatever, as an adult, I mean, the worlds are so diverse.
00:42:41
Speaker
You know, that it's it's amazing, like the crossover that exists and when adults or or kind different cultures or whatever the the dynamic might be, um if if if you not only enjoy film and and television and story, um but you're able to kind of integrate that into a connection with a person,
00:43:05
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that even That is even a a bridge for sure, you know. that i hope we don't lose it, you know, you know with what's going on.
00:43:18
Speaker
you know yeah with review I know the world's going to hell in a handbasket. And we must stop that. We must not let that happen. yeah exactly That's why you come to the nonsensical nonsense. and hang That's right. right because it is nonsense yeah It's nonsensical and we see it for what it is. You do you um yeah and it you know are you still currently Acting, pursuing and acting? I'm in the screen actors. I'll tell you what happened. um
00:43:51
Speaker
So I was doing independent films primarily. I didn't have an agent or a manager. um And I had gotten a gig with a company called Freedom from Chemical Dependency. And um I recognized myself that I had substance abuse issues, ah you know, in the early 90s.
00:44:14
Speaker
And I was one of those jokers that, you know, i would nip and tuck a little bit here, you know, definitely a drunk. And then I would sort of dabble with other substances and really felt that it was not interfering with my life. and Long story short, a very dear friend like had a frank conversation and presented a challenge with me. Like, kate could you just go without you know for a period? And I couldn't. So I went into recovery through like a 12-step thing. And it it really worked. and And I have to admit, it was full of movie stars. I'm with my people. I've made it. you know and And I hate to say it that way because it is pretty...
00:44:57
Speaker
it's an you know It's not about that at all. But, it yeah, I mean, to be honest, that that that helped me to sort of see the light, so to speak. So, anyway, um I got a short-term gig on MADtv when that was relatively new.
00:45:12
Speaker
Artie Lang and I shared the same manager for a while. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and Ken Trouche. And so, and Lauren Dombrowski, who was an executive producer on that show, it just come off, Roseanne, and she was working at MADtv, couldn't get me hired on as a writer.
00:45:32
Speaker
You know, there was always, you know, that did it didn't work out. and She said, hey, listen, i know this ah I know you're sober and I know you work with kids. um If you need something to get over the hump until your next gig, why don't you talk to this company called Freedom From Chemical Dependency?
00:45:51
Speaker
I'm not really sure what they do, but I know it involves a little bit of travel. And, um you know, that you might be just the kind of person that they would they would hire. They hire people that, adults that don't smoke, drink, or use drugs, you know, which are hard to find, apparently. Yeah. Not really, right? so So I go and I meet with these people, and they're like, you know,
00:46:13
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you really kind of have what we are looking for but we also want to try to enhance our presentational stuff like we we go in and do kind of a a laid-back q and a and and we have a curriculum that sort of safely talks to kids about what they should be looking out for and answers their questions and clear up misinformation we don't do any interrogation There's no other adults in the room. And the only way that we would in any way have to kind of report something is if a kid came up and said, hey, i after talking to you, I think I got a problem. Then, you know, that that that in those cases, which are rare, you know, then we do something. So I'm like, that sounds really great. That that that sounds really interesting. And they said, well, what's your itinerary? And I said, I'm freelance. You know, i I work in group homes. I'm kind of like the on-call guy for a couple of group homes. And then when I get a movie gig or a TV thing, um that can be anywhere from like a day to a few weeks. Rarely a motion picture, I could be gone for a couple months. so And they're like, well, you know we work semesters to semester. Could you give us you know two or three weeks here and there? And I say, absolutely, I would book you like a gig. And they're like, okay, cool. And I'm thinking it's gonna be in Southern California.
00:47:28
Speaker
And so I go to this training in Boston and get this really, meet these super cool people.
Global Teaching and Acting
00:47:34
Speaker
I've already done a bunch of films and TV shows, so they're enamored and I'm showing them how to do improvisations and role plays and stuff and like mock chords and you know and and get get the kids involved and everybody's having a great time.
00:47:49
Speaker
And and that then like that that's the first week and that's all the the teaching. And the second week, the the veterans of this program, Freedom for Chemical Dependency, are coming in and they're talking about, have you got your assignment for this year yet? Oh, i'm going i'm I'm going to Brazil. Then I'll be in Argentina. And oh, then I go to Europe. I'll be in Antwerp. I'm going to be in Japan. Oh, Japan is awesome. And I'm like, what?
00:48:14
Speaker
Wait minute, you guys go to those places? Yeah. And um I graduated from their training program and they said, okay, you're going to get your travel itinerary. People get jealous. Don't share it immediately. Everyone's going to get an opportunity. My first gig actually teaching seventh graders was at the International School of Bangkok, Thailand.
00:48:36
Speaker
Oh, wow. And I was like, I stepped i stepped into a pile of dukes. I was like, this... are you kidding me they're like yeah how much can you do and this is uh this is august 2001 and i'm seeing bangkok thailand i'm seeing beijing china kuala lampur sri lanka can you do all those can we put you on a plane can you be gone for seven weeks said i'm already there yeah And um yeah, so we finished up August like 2026. I meet my girlfriend in New York, September 10th, we're on a plane. My girlfriend at that time, Ava takes a picture of the Twin Towers. We land in LA. From the plane, she takes a picture of the Twin Towers. We land in L.A., have a big fight at l LAX. I sleep on the couch. She's in the bedroom. You know, I hate you.
00:49:34
Speaker
Phone rings in the morning. It's my dad. We're under attack. 9-11. Yeah. Yeah. and he go And my dad was flipping out because he's like, I knew you were New York. I know you're in plane. You're in Boston. You know, I'm home. I made it. I'm not there. oh my God. Turn on the TV.
00:49:51
Speaker
You know, and ah and I was like, wow, you know, it's like probably not going to go to Thailand. But yeah sure enough, it it got to it it it happened. And i I then entered a world as an actor worker, like edutainment, it kind of became, which is not my term. But, you know, it's been around since shows like, i don't know if you remember, like Sesame Street's edutainment. Oh, yeah.
00:50:15
Speaker
It's that kind of stuff. And I became an entertainer teacher. um for 16 years and uh within that scope i i did i did shows i did like the x i did uh lone gunman i did eight-legged freaks and a lot of indie films drew carey show did conan a bunch of times but slowly but surely that that travel thing i went all over the world as as a as an edutainer
00:50:45
Speaker
And it's it's like everybody should take an acting class as mandatory. you know Media literacy, I think, is so vital and and and just the greater good of everything. Shakespeare, i mean, I hate to get like wuxi wuxi, but yeah all the all the world...
00:51:04
Speaker
is a stage man i mean oh we're genuine right now but we also know what we're doing you know we know we're on the camera right now and yeah exactly you know it's and and everybody is to some degree or another the nurse that took care of my dad the other night when i had to take him to the hospital you know he you know it was like midnight 12 30 we're all exhausted he had to be hey how are you mr why you know so ah and to take an acting class and to And to just be media literate, to protect ourselves from the power of those media messages. At the end of the day, we all have a role. ah you know We play a role in life.
00:51:44
Speaker
Whether you like it or not, you're in it. like you yeah you can't You're in this. you know you You and I get to be a little bit more into it you know in different ways, but anybody involved in this, you know you're in it, man.
00:51:58
Speaker
And you can be in it as much as you i hope I hope you will for a minute or more. yeah know hope I don't go anywhere anytime soon. so Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:52:10
Speaker
Yeah. yeah'll are stuck with me for a while i dont know that's a good thing or a bad thing. Well, it's a good thing for me. You're giving me a platform to keep my mojo working for sure. Yeah. So with you said you ah you are a member of the screen actors? that I am. I'm after SAG. Yeah. yeah is your Are there requirements that you have to to do to stay a member
Joining the Screen Actors Guild
00:52:35
Speaker
of that? Or is that just once you're an actor or you've established yourself with a few roles? Yeah.
00:52:41
Speaker
Yeah, there's there's this age-old law called the Taft-Hartley rule, which when unions were kind of coming into their own, and i'm I'm blanking on the name of the great actor, you dirty rat.
00:52:55
Speaker
um Oh, is that Cagney? jack James Cagney, yeah, yeah, yeah. um He was instrumental in unionizing actors because the advantage that would be taken, and and it happens, man, on independent films to this day where it's coming up on two in the morning and the direct, you see the director talking to like the continuity person and you know, they're like, well, how should we do this shot? Nothing's been prepared, you know? And and and everybody loves to be an actor on camera that's there. So you're sort of like balancing, you know, I gotta be to work tomorrow, you know, kind of thing.
00:53:29
Speaker
So the way the union works and how you're able to make residual money ah to this day, in fact, is that you have to be active in wherever you are, whether you know whatever market you're in there is some degree of like union acting work. It could be industrial films where there's a company that shoots how to put widgets together and you're the actor that's demonstrating that.
00:53:58
Speaker
I happen to be in Boston and they shoot local commercials there. They were doing a lot of lottery commercials there. And um I was doing, i was showcasing through the sketch comedy stuff and and uh casting agents come through and people talk and you just you know when you're when you're trying to do it you just keep meeting people be cool you know don't be over confident uh compliment other people don't upstage people um kind of stay low you know don't try to be too a big shot be friendly with people and and you suddenly start to get tips and leads and stuff and so i got a tip and a lead from a friend named paul koslowski um
00:54:39
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who was in a group with, ah who's his best buddy was Tom Kenny. And all of you may know Tom Kenny is the voice of SpongeBob SquarePants. I was going to say, why does that sound so familiar? Yeah, yeah, Tom Kenny. Also from Syracuse, New York, Central New York. So it's like Paul and Bobcat and myself and some other guys from that area.
00:54:59
Speaker
I was so honored to kind of be in that circle. Certainly didn't, you know. and So anyway, Paul said, yeah, they're going to be... ah There's this casting agency, I got put your name in, go and talk to them. And it was a a really stylized commercial for the Massachusetts State Lottery. And I booked it, you know? And I booked it ah booked it based on a pair of glasses that I bought from a guy at LensCrafters.
00:55:26
Speaker
I went in to get my normal like wire rim glasses. and uh i just remember he was a real effeminate guy you know and he just took an extra moment with me this completely anonymous guy and he said you know what i want you to try these other frames on and i was like oh and i usually go with this teardrop deal i've done it my whole life so please trust me And he put these Buddy Holly horn rim glasses, which were and in the early nineties, they were on the cusp of coming back. yeah these were These were Malcolm X frames, yeah you know, the top and then the wire on the bottom.
00:56:03
Speaker
And ah he goes, those are your glasses. I kid you not. I booked 80%, if not more of all of my acting gigs on those frames. i i seen a picture of you with those frames on and you kind of you had a little bit of a buddy holly look to you buddy holly and drew carey and drew carey yeah and and it really worked for me and and they became and and i got the job jonathan katz uh from dr katz uh professional success familiar with that uh he did the voiceover on that commercial um and
00:56:39
Speaker
Yeah, and and and that that so what I found out was, like, so this is a union commercial. Are you in the union? was like, oh, nuts, I'm not. They said, well, here's how it works. Okay, you've done everything you need to do as an actor. You're doing these stage shows. You're involved in independent films. You're talking to people, maybe taking a class. So you're you're in the community.
00:57:00
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Somebody gave you a tip and a lead and you showed up here. You got the audition, you got the part. So you can do this gig at union with residuals and make the money.
00:57:11
Speaker
But the next, the next, the next union gig you get, you got to join the union. And at that time it was like 1500 bucks. And for me, that was like three months rent. It was cool. Yeah, right. Yeah, but I, in fact, the money I made on that commercial paid for the union. And then you pay your dues based on how much money you make. There's a minimum.
00:57:33
Speaker
And the more money you make, the more you pay. So, and you can even, you can even step aside if you're not working. Like when I was doing full-time overseas work, I would stop paying full dues and just step away. And I'd come back and do a gig. And they said, okay, just start paying your regular dues. It's a great union and they follow everything you do. I still get checks.
00:57:52
Speaker
They're not a lot like 20 30 bucks from stuff I did years ago for 30 years ago I was I've always been curious about that and real quick shout out to my behind-the-scenes producer here my girlfriend throw in your your IMDB in the in the chat and and Facebook up there for for everybody so ah I've always been curious. You know, this is the cool thing about doing shows like this is I get kind of a a little sneak behind the sneak peek behind the curtain.
Income Through Residuals
00:58:24
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ah You hear, you know you know, residual this, residual that. Are the residuals from movies and stuff like that? Is that Forever and are they you know, and obviously you're not gonna get rich from them, but i mean is it nice little something to to get it it depends like um I don't know if you remember a a cat named Carlos Mencia for a minute. He was like ah comedy central and He had a great show and the producer of that show was also Letterman's producer but I did car I did Carlos's show a couple times and
00:58:57
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And every now and then, i so i get eight i get eight cents, a check for eight cents. Sarah Silverman did a show on MTV or Comedy Central for a few years, the Sarah Silverman program. I did like two episodes of that. She's a good friend. her like I think I said that all already. i named drop i name drop all the time. Name and drop all you want. I have... invite yeah Sometimes I don't always agree with what what she says or how she thinks, but I've always been a fan of silver silver Sarah Silverman. she's I think she's great, and she's freaking hysterical.
00:59:31
Speaker
She's hysterical, and and and her sister Laura, and the two of them, you know they were the... so I mean, I don't want to be sexist, but they are so sexy. and And to have both of them as friends, I was like, I'm so grateful. And they're so cool and deep, deep people. But i like for her, Shaw, like $1.12. Now, next Friday, Eight-Legged Freaks um and The Lone Gunman, which was a spinoff of The X-Files and the Drew Carey show, um
01:00:04
Speaker
those are Those could be up to like bucks. you know, once a year, twice a year. And how grateful, you know, to be a guy that usually makes a teacher's salary. Most of you most of my career, acting and otherwise, I made a teacher's salary.
01:00:22
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There was one year I did a pilot that was out ah out of England, out of the BBC, that was produced by Don Misher and Bernie Brillstein, Brillstein Gray, Brad Gray, who did Sopranos and all that stuff. Mm-hmm.
01:00:35
Speaker
I got hooked in with them through Bob Odenkirk and Dave Cross because they were like they were producing Mr. Show and they said, yeah, use David Earl Waterman. So I got to give a shout out to those guys because they convinced Bernie to hire me to be the host of this big game show. And I made up i made like rich guy money. I was going to ask you about the if that was yeah I can't remember the name of it, but I seen it when i like and I was like, I vaguely remember this show from when I was a kid.
01:01:04
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. It was short-lived. Don't forget your toothbrush. It was very short-lived. um i you know It was not great for the network because it was ton of money.
01:01:15
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And ah it was the kind of show where you know the audience members all came with their luggage because if they won, they were going to go. they They had to go on the trip. they The plane was waiting at LAX. Yeah. And we would mess with them like crazy and it was so much money and then abc capital cities got bought out by disney and out goes david earl waterman Like and I vaguely remember that show that I it came up on on youtube and I was like Is this when I was doing a little research on this? I was like wait, is this him?
01:01:49
Speaker
Because I vaguely remember the show and it was like you were a ball of energy, man Like right out the gate. Yeah, it was it was it was great. It was toward the end of my drinking and using. um and And I wasn't a legendary, like like I was very conservative and I was afraid of overdosing, you know, and and marijuana made me nervous. I don't know why I did that drug. um To be cool, probably. um and And alcohol, certainly. But i it definitely played a role in and kind of
01:02:23
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I could have been a contender, ah certainly, without that. um But, ah yeah, that was ah that was that was my downfall because I got very rich.
01:02:34
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I bought a new car. i i this This here, you know how they say invest in gold? Yeah. This was purchased in... Yeah, the the late 90s, like 93, 94. This little piece of nugget right here is one of the only remnants of my big money days and in Hollywood. This this this this jack, is this is piece right here oh i I'm not kidding you, man, because gold has gone up.
01:03:04
Speaker
At least that's what the woman said who fixed it. I gave it to my dad years ago, and now I'm helping my dad because he's in his golden years. yeah And I'm like, whatever happened that bracelet I gave you? I never wear that thing. So I commandeered it back. yeah and we're gonna get that back but it was thank god i bought the house in upstate new york which was like 55 grand or something like that and i and i really it wasn't a sub substantial like yes a hundred something thousand dollars for a 30 something kid in those days was a windfall and i wish it would have maybe if it kept going i wouldn't have stopped drinking i would have been a dead guy
01:03:41
Speaker
But um I lived, i I can honestly say i had the dark side of what we sometimes experience yeah in Hollywood.
Life in Los Angeles
01:03:50
Speaker
and And there's a dark side of Hollywood that I'm very intimate with. you I'm not not necessarily proud of it, but not ashamed either, because it was it was research. you know And how can, I mean, for me, it's like the noir sense, Los Angeles is...
01:04:08
Speaker
I've been all over the world. I've been to Bangkok, Beijing, ah you know, I've been Abu Dhabi and Qatar. I've been all over India, Bangladesh, you know, and and as a sober person, you know, talking to kids about making healthy choices.
01:04:24
Speaker
But L.A., man, L.A., and I hope it's still, I think it's still, because I left four years at three a half, about three years ago to come be with my pop. You know, I miss it so much, but it's...
01:04:37
Speaker
there's just something going on there that's just, you know, pa good of people think but you know' like you don't have to be involved in anything, but you're involved in the best way to the best way that that to do LA and stay away from all the the crap and the danger drive Uber.
01:04:55
Speaker
yeah Drive Uber and and you see all the nasty, crazy stuff. And you got a reason to be there a reason to get out. you know Yeah. i watch it up I watch enough true crime and it yeah keep poison stuff and and you know and at the 70s and stuff out in California, the serial killers and all that, man. Oh, yeah.
01:05:16
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yeah You know, I'm going to add that to the list of reasons why I don't want to go to California. Well, you know, I want to say, I mean, there's so many different sides to Los Angeles. And when I came to Florida to be with my dad, a lot of people, and it kind of got annoying, was, I bet you're glad to be out of L.A. crazy time. Yeah. And...
01:05:36
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And yeah, I mean, Los Angeles is for me the most unique city in the world because it's so diverse and so sprawling and it's Southern California and so many things. But as ah as a social worker, not professional, but working in group homes with at-risk youth and stuff, I really did get to see like the San Fernando Valley, Orange County, um South LA, you know, sort of the Latin sections, East LA. And it's just, I mean, i there's there's nothing cooler than seeing low riders like bopping down Echo Park and, you know, I say shotgun. You know, it's just just that that vibe, man, that that that mix. that It's that flavor, you know. And, and um you know, I like culture and I'm i'm super aware that, you know, i'm I'm this dorky white kid that, you know, didn't have hair on his balls till he was 15, you know. It's like, you know, I just really love, like, that I got to see and be part of,
01:06:40
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that humanity and it's crazy i think because it really doesn't exist on a level anywhere else you know that i but i've been to a lot of cities in the states doing the teaching gig you know the the drug and alcohol stuff yeah it's it's uh mike uh mike timpson says that uh you're a legend in the chat ah mike timson is one of my contemporaries he and i did so many nights at a place called the fake gallery that was run by paul f kozlowski who was just this is a renowned artist and producer and comic uh he was in uh shakes the clown bobcat's film and um he was also in punchline the tom hanks movie years ago and Paul was one of the our contemporaries that like was able to come back said, yeah, I had to do EDR post-production on a movie. And we're like, yeah! Yeah, and Mike Timpson, him, oh my God. You got to have him on the show.
01:07:39
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Mike's the real deal. I mean, book him for your show, for sure, yeah Hi, Mike. Try to look him up and see if I can make contact with him. Yeah, he's on social media. Yeah. right down Write his name down there. I'll let him give you his credits. I mean, they're a mile and a half long. Sweet, sweet guy. Sweet guy. Love love you. Oh, man. Yeah. yeah I love that. It's funny that of all places, the people of Florida talking about someplace else being crazy or weird. You've probably been in Florida long enough to to to know. Florida is a special place. Florida is. You familiar with Florida? like I'm in Brooksville. I'm like a little bit north of Tampa. No, yeah. and I love the Borsetti.
01:08:28
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Me too. Yeah. Are you a cigar smoker? Yeah. Yeah, I have a lot of friends in the Tampa area. I actually listen to one or two one or two five, the bone down there, the radio station. Okay, yeah. no I listen to them for a year. And I've got some friends that are comedians, musicians.
01:08:49
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um some Some of them have dabbled in acting and stuff like that. We're actually going to be down in Cape Coral here in a couple, but two weeks. Do you know Chad Ridgely? Chad Ridgely?
01:09:01
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Sounds familiar. Okay, Chad Ridgely is somebody you've got to connect with to be on your show. he's He was in Tarantino's movie, Once Upon a Time, in Hollywood.
01:09:12
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Oh, was he really? Yeah, yeah. Chad is the deal, man. he um I met him when I was doing my podcast in L.A. um and he's he's all over. um in fact, it's it's he makes films.
01:09:24
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He's a guy I should be pumping all the time to put me in his stuff. Yeah. and I just don't. But to your point, like Florida is a lot like Los Angeles. Yeah. You know, that like Orlando and certainly Miami, you know.
01:09:40
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um and then it's also a lot like, you know, ah sort of the Bible Belt kind of thing, you know. um There's just a lot of real down-home cool people. And then the truck.
01:09:51
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I don't like the guys with the pickup trucks that somehow double-clutch it and blast me with, like, exhaust smoke. Because I drive like a wuss. I'm a crappy driver, and I get blasted every now and then by those guys.
01:10:06
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But yeah I got to say this. um Some of my hip friends were like, ah man, you're not going to like Florida. Not the case. You know, it's it's crazy like L.A. I totally get what you're saying. yeah It's nice down there. I've been down a couple of times. ah Went down to visit. Went down to Tampa. And I was down there for about a week.
01:10:28
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shortly after I was single newly single several years back. And we went to Ybor for some comedy and some music, and I absolutely fell in love with Ybor. I think it's it's so fun, and there's so much to do down there. There's a scene, yeah.
01:10:44
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Whatever you're into, it's it's there, and you can walk everywhere. what what ah When I came to Florida, I was not in a great space. I was really i was newly divorced. you know And thank God the whole divorce has been amicable and still have a relationship with the... the stepdaughters yeah and and we're legal legally stepdaughters, which meant a lot to me and still does. And and thank God, you know having a good attitude and being able to act yourself into a good place with that. You said we were coming off of a breakup too. But i i had I was really down and out when I came to Florida.
01:11:22
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And it was also my dad, which was another, how's this going to work out? Went to Ebor, found the commodore Commodore Theater, all improv, brand new, guys from New York. We knew different people. And the next thing I know, I'm up there doing in sketch comedy and improv in Ebor City. And just just even to go to Tarpon Springs or Clearwater, St. Pete,
01:11:48
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um I do that to get a West Coast Jones, for sure, without a doubt. I might stay here, i'm you know, depending on how things go. i hope it's i don't i I hope I don't have to make a decision soon, but when that comes up, I i might stay here. you go ever You're going to come down ever? and We're coming down to Cape Coral here in just a couple weeks. Oh, okay. Cape Coral, okay.
01:12:10
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I would like to eventually get back. I know Cape Coral is a few hours away from Tampa, but I would like to eventually come back down and visit visit Tampa and hang out, take my girlfriend down and introduce you to some of my friends. I'll maybe introduce you to some of my friends. Hey, i'll tell you what, if you if you do come, one of the things I enjoy doing is either going to the Firecracker in St. Pete or the Commodore Theater and just paying like 10 bucks for a class and doing some improv with people.
01:12:36
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Like I go in there and i say, I've been in all these movies and they're like, it's 15 bucks, buddy. yeah We don't give a shit. You know? You're not in the group yet. you know and I've been to maybe a dozen classes and i I've never... like do Are you going to take the full thing? No, no. I just came down to play today.
01:12:55
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yeah i just i just Yeah. so you If you come down, that might be ah an interesting experience to have because it's beginners. It's it's everything. Just something to do. but I'd meet you in E-Born. We'd have dinner for sure. so you know Grab a coffee, whatever. Yeah.
01:13:12
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I went too far.
01:13:27
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I'm going to stand here and act as if nothing wrong. like Okay, you're back. You froze up there for a minute.
01:13:40
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Oh, it froze again. ohp There we go. Sorry about that. I think I might have been on my end. My apologies. but Welcome to the World of Nonsense Network where you can't have a show without it without some kind of technical difficulty. It happens almost every show.
01:13:55
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Keep us humble. Yeah, yeah exactly. um No, it happens it literally happens every show except for the one that does you know Saturday night where it doesn't really matter.
01:14:06
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But what I have guests on is like, we're going to see how how far off the trains we can get glicked tonight. Okay. So do you want to hear like any ah Hollywood like stories?
01:14:18
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I would love to hear a couple of Hollywood stories. Okay. puzzle One of my favorites, I was new in Hollywood and young Kathy Griffin was just beginning to make her mark, you know, Kathy Griffin. oh and yeah and And Kathy Griffin is a spitfire. This is before Suddenly Susan, her book Shields. you know ok So she's part of a group, um and um it's like a feeder improv group to Saturday Night Live and um the Groundlings, which is on Melrose Boulevard in LA. All the great SNL people from California likely were at Groundlings, right? Yeah.
01:15:00
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Not unusual. So she, I met her at a party, right? And we become a thing, okay? And this is Kathy Griffin before she's Kathy Griffin.
01:15:14
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True story. um I was kind of in a relationship with a person in New York, but I'm in LA and it's that seedy sort of not proud of, but just kind of,
01:15:27
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Maybe this is going Kathy Griffin literally kidnapped me. i hope you didn't have I didn't have wheels, right? And Kathy was interested and I was interested and she lived in this apartment underneath the 101 freeway at the time. And I'm taking buses and catching rides from people because I'm from New York and I'm like, I'm not going to L.A. and getting a car. And I'm but screwed.
01:15:51
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So i I had an open day, no auditions, nothing. And Kathy goes, hey, my parents live ah down in San Pedro, which I didn't know where that was. It's down Long Beach and we're in L.A.
01:16:04
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And she goes, ah so you want to go have dinner, meet my parents? And I was like, yeah, yeah, but I you know i want to be back in Hollywood. you know People are there, Cross and Paul Kozlowski and my friend John Murphy and her. She's like, okay, no problem. And I get in the car and we're driving and we're driving and we're driving. And then it dawns on me like,
01:16:25
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you know And she's not having it. And it's like, I literally, I said, you've kidnapped me. And she's, yep. And I swear, the true story, i she cannot deny it. She kidnapped me to San Pedro and I spent the whole day and night with Kathy Griffin's parents. And and and had i had I maybe done one or two things differently, I might have been Mr. Kathy Griffin. Right. Almost. That clear.
01:16:53
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Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. And what else? What else? thats awesome The mayor of I was at a fundraiser having a few drinks.
01:17:03
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I was doing a pilot and I was introduced to a guy named Dick. And Dick was asking me how I liked L.A. and I was kind of being cocky. And I said, well, I ride a bicycle. I'm from New York, you know, and I was living in the city at the time. And L.A. is just not a bicycle city. And it kind of is annoying. And your parks aren't accessible. So, you know, it's okay.
01:17:28
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And I go back to the group that I was at this fundraiser with. And they said, oh, my God, how did you like Dick? And I said, oh, he's cool. That's Richard Reardon. He's the mayor of Los Angeles. Oh, sure.
01:17:42
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And somehow my stupidity, you know, won him over. And he's a cyclist. I swear to God, a week later, i do this, you know, i i I am invited to go on a bicycle trip with Bernie Parks, the the the ah the chief of police of LAPD, Ed Begley Jr.,
01:18:05
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Mayor Reardon and a couple other Hollywood types, right? And we go on this bike ride along the beach in Redondo. And I had a really sweet Cannondale bicycle at that time. And and it was like, wow. And and Mayor Reardon knew all the old TV guys, ah like the guy from Get Smart and Tom Poston and all the Bob Newhart guys who would get together. And I had this spectacular night with a group called Yarmie's Army, which was established the 1960s like Dick Van Dyke show period.
01:18:41
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You know, those those that those like character actors and i and and the mayor like invited me to go have dinner with all of them. And for a while I was on Richard Reardon's like, you know, list of, I would hang out with him from time to time. Yeah, it was it was like a ah total Forrest Gump thing.
01:19:01
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yeah and Yeah. Yeah, and it's that stuff happens in L.A. It's rare to meet someone that's like active and out and about that doesn't have a like, oh, my God, next thing I knew I'm at Gene Simmons' house. you know Yeah, right. Just dumb luck and pure coincidence. sir Dumb luck, pure coincidence, and like-minded crazy people. Mm-hmm.
01:19:25
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um But there's more. i just wanted to throw a couple out. Maybe they would be of some edge just for to to legitimize myself. ah yeah You know, just that I was kidnapped by Kathy Griffin. i was like In my head, I'm like, oh, this could go so many ways. Like, you were kidnapped and locked in a cage for for a week or something like oh that. Oh, that part of it would be in the book.
01:19:49
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But I think thanks to your show, you know, there's been a couple times people said, you know you know, you're not famous or anything, but you do have some kind of cool inside stories of around people that are famous, you know, um like H. John Benjamin, Laura Silverman, Louis C.K. and me.
01:20:07
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had kind of uh a competition for the attentions of laura silverman sarah's older sister oh wow oh my god and it would uh we were in cambridge right and h john benjamin was a waiter he worked at the library in cambridge at the time and i don't even know if he wanted to be in show business but it was just before they did dr cats right um so and he wasn't going by h john benjamin we called him benji and we were in a comedy group together called the comedy lab And so there's Benji and and Louis CK is like now on Conan O'Brien. So he's got some some juice, you know. yeah he's He's into Laura Silverman, big time. And I'm living on the apartment above Laura Silverman and I'm into Laura Silverman. In fact, there was one time I went to Laura's house and we'd but we'd been friends for years and years and years.
01:21:02
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And um I i would knocked a door one day and I was like, this is it. You're either going to marry me or I'm never going to talk to you again. And and that was that really happened. and yes i know mean I'm not even ashamed of it.
Acting with Louis CK and Others
01:21:15
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She's so awesome. She's such an awesome person. But um it would be so weird because I'd be hanging out with Laura and And then i kind of be I'd have to go out of her apartment and around to a staircase to go up to my apartment. And I'd see Louis CK, who I also knew. i was in Louis' first film called Caesar Salad. Ray Romano was in it. Sarah Silverman was in it um Like ah a who's who of like huge famous people. Steve Sweeney. um
01:21:45
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and sarah Sarah Silverman got me in that, but it was Louis' very first film. and and It was shot in Central Park and at a bar. and and It was the first film that I got flown to and paid paid to be in, Louis C.K. What an honor. I'm a fan of Louis. I like his comedy. I think i think he's hilarious.
01:22:04
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yeah and and and you know Without delving too deep, there there there is a there is a um And more of this will be revealed in the book.
01:22:15
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But there is an intimacy that kind of took a bad turn like everybody knows the story, right? Like, yeah. So, and and I know Louis personally, and and i I'm not unfamiliar with that kind of intimacy. yeah um And and the only mistake, if there was one that's made is that the female has to has to has to initiate that. yeah And and um I am not at all ashamed to
01:22:52
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very seriously believe that Louis and I learned that kind of intimacy around the same time. Which is like, I want to be with you, but I don't want to be with you.
01:23:04
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so let's do this instead. and if you've never done that or been invited to do that, I highly recommend it because it's so safe. It's so sexy. And if you're invited, yeah it's a heterosexual thing, and you're invited by the female, that's cool.
01:23:26
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But yeah it is so great. It's tempting. And I know I've been there, too. It's like, hey, you know,
Communication in Intimacy
01:23:32
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I'm kind of having a feeling, and I kind of think you're having a feeling. And I think there's a kind of a stop space here between... Would it be okay to just do this? but da and that you got be so Gentlemen, you've got to be super careful. Otherwise, you could lose millions.
01:23:48
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yeah you And I will say that I'm pretty sure Louie and I learned that kind of intimacy around the same time in our lives. That's as far as I'll go with that. Anyway, H. John Benjamin, One Laura's Affection. Nice. I was going to say, who who won that competition? He won that contest. Yeah, no, you are definitely, for that kind of situation, you definitely got to make sure everybody's on the same page. Yeah, you know, it's not it's not bad to be wound up, but ah gentlemen, do not start your engines. You wait. now You wait.
01:24:27
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she she the The best advice I got with women and and you know being funny and and being involved in the arts is a great way to meet women if you're into women or men if you're into men. it is's like It's a great place to meet people that want to meet people.
01:24:43
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but um the best the best advice i ever got after a broken heart was like it or not the women do the choosing and they they make the call don't kid yourself you you want to play like you're mr casanova you're going to end up up schitt's creek you know you just yeah exactly
Media Literacy Education
01:25:02
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you got it you got and it's the best thing you can do is to let her drive the bus yeah yeahp yep Otherwise you end up home alone doing that thing by yourself. Yeah, yeah i mean that's your that's your option number two. but It's just never a good idea. to I've got an idea.
01:25:18
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zip it Doesn't go both ways. holy Exactly. Louie's so cool about it. He's the coolest and smartest.
01:25:30
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i mean I got to stay at Louie's apartment um in the village. he was so so I got a picture of Louie and i somewhere here on a collage uh well no it's in one of my books i got a picture louis way back in the day kind of doing a james dean walk in the village right um well what an honor to know these people intimately you know um wonderful experience yeah so grateful so grateful that's yeah i mean it sounds like you have been around and and and hung out was kind of a who's who's list you know i i you know i got i'm very fortunate and i'm very very grateful and i thank my lucky stars and my higher power like it's uh and you know ah i didn't get famous i didn't get rich and um
01:26:27
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You know, if there was a show and there is a show and there are platforms, all my buddies and people I know that have nothing to do with the entertainment business, I got the same stories with them and and and everybody else does too. And I just, if if this internet thing and this whole like social media and if if it can enhance people's awareness of how important we are,
01:26:55
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and that we we are all celebrities um and and and and command the same respect. Because you know Brad Pitt can't be Brad Pitt without us.
01:27:06
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No, exactly. Odenkirk can't be Odenkirk without us. you You and I know that. your Your audience, they have to believe that. they they They are a part of this, all of it. you know and And the relationships I had without people that ah are name recognizable, the same excitement, the same joy.
01:27:25
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It's the same thing. You get the same stories. you know It's just, it's not, you know you don't get to, you know it's like a a big spotlight when you moon you mention names like Silverman or CK or yeah know whatever the case may be where, well,
01:27:43
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I've done the same thing with my buddies, but we're nobody. And that and and and or and that's the big that's the big mistake. Like in in London and in England, where where the theater is a very important part of your development and and and your socialization and your consciousness and awareness. mean, the United States of America, one of the greatest things I learned as an educator with substance abuse prevention was media literacy.
01:28:10
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and and And how in the United States, one of our greatest shortcomings as a society is that we do not educate our children um as to how to understand, um appreciate, and most importantly, protect themselves from media and the power that that has because you get kind of a God complex around these individuals and it can have a backfiring effect that would belittle you that you somehow, you know, you suddenly think, oh, God is not in me.
01:28:49
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It's a different thing when in fact, I believe you know God and Bob Odenkirk are 100% in me. And in yeah know
Life as a Stage: Roles We Play
01:28:59
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and and and then and in everybody.
01:29:02
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like you know and and it's yeah i know that we're getting into a kind of ah ah deeper philosophical thing, but it's important it's important to me. it's vital If there's anything I can say or share, having lived very much even more so on the other side of show business,
01:29:20
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the similarities are so far more um commonplace than yeah man that's like it's yeah yeah it's it's it's the world the all the world is a stage and you are an actor you are an actor so know about it learn about it you know can't happen yeah that goes back to what what we were talking about a little bit earlier when you were talking about that nurse coming in i mean that nurse could have come in and you know middle of the night and they grumpy and all. ah They came in and they they were, sounds like like they were a bit of a personality. you know like At one o'clock in the morning, tired, flu is rampant, everybody's sick, that the hospital's full, my dad...
01:30:05
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Is that a place in his life where it's like, how do you feel? Well, we just got off the cruise. and of course, my girlfriend, Linda, she had, I said, I wouldn't have it. It's not going to, you know, so my dad takes them around and I'm, I'm wanting to jump in. And the nurse is very patient.
01:30:20
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he he was just super kind. The woman at Dollar General the other day, I had to go buy cream and coffee for my AA meeting, you know, and went into the Dollar General. Welcome in You know, and it's what's her life like before, during and after? But for me she's sweet and kind and helpful.
01:30:41
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Yeah, you get an Oscar, baby. you know Exactly. yeah That's that my my normal day-to-day, nine-to-five, I'm fixing things. i'm just ah ah I like to say that I'm ah i'm a building doctor.
01:30:53
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Yeah.
Comedy Influence: 'Suck It'
01:30:54
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so yeah Sounds more more important than, yeah, I'm just a maintenance guy. But i you know I'm in a building with a lot of people and I get the opportunity to to to engage with a lot of people and talk to a lot of people and and i try to have fun at it because then I get to come home in the evening time and and I get to do stuff like this. Which is what which is what you are, and how we teach others that you know, to try to get to that understanding. We're not telling you to go into acting. We're not telling you to, um you know, be an artist or to like become liberal or conservative or we're not telling you. But but what what we are wanting to invite you into is how important you are in whatever role it is that you're playing.
01:31:41
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i mean, show business and movies, probably 15% life. You know, the the military, education, um working in group homes.
01:31:54
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ah That's my life. you know It sounds like acting is just like your mistress. Yeah, yeah, very much so. Yeah. and And, but throughout the entire period, always finding that time for my mistress, for my love, you know, and and um it's a character study.
01:32:15
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And how often am I on stage doing an improv or jamming on a sketch and some character comes, oh, that that building maintenance guy in Ohio, he says this thing the same way every time, let's use this.
01:32:29
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I got to this this will probably turn this, in like people will will end this with like, oh, he's a complete nut job. but im And I am a nut job, but I'm convinced.
01:32:40
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Have you ever, have you heard that expression? Suck it. Oh, yeah. okay Okay. Okay. Now, in 1993, I'm at Catch a Rising Star.
01:32:53
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I'm in the sound booth. Okay. Okay. And I don't know why I'm there. I think I'm i'm helping the sound guy queue up a thing for a sketch, right? And and um honestly, i hadn't heard commonly people saying, suck it.
01:33:10
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I heard fucker,
Interview with Nicolas Cage
01:33:11
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and there were other things people were saying, but I didn't hear suck it, okay? So in the room at Catch a Rising Star happened to be the future of comedy, David Cross, ah Paul Kozlowski, Jonathan Groff, who executive produced Black-ish.
01:33:33
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They're all in this kind of, John Benjamin, Sam Seder, Laura Silverman, ah Ed Driscoll, who for Emmy award winning writer.
01:33:44
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I mean, this was a ah who's who of the future of like the comedy and two thousand s comedy and Oscar show. Jeez, I'm drawing a blank, but I know i know a writer, on two writers from last night's show. I know them personally.
01:34:00
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Oh, wow. Yeah, and I'd love to tell you that Carol Leifer might be one of them, and and um Brian... From Boston, I'm drawing a blank because I'm nervous. um but Name dropping is is a sin. But two of them were writing on the Oscars last night. So anyway, this is my theory. This is my imagination. This is what I wish to be true.
01:34:24
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So I think it would be funny because the mic is live in the sound booth. I start doing porno movie sounds. like Oh, yeah. You know, and I'm doing it very subtly so that I'm hearing it, but people are engaged in talking about sketches. Somebody's talking about lighting. There's people talking at the bar.
01:34:45
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It's kind of pre-rehearsal. And I raise it up a little bit. and I'm like, oh, oh, oh. And then I can see like a couple people looking up and and then I get a little giggle or a laugh. And then I go, oh, oh.
01:35:03
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the whole place The whole place breaks up. um'm i Glick, i'm not i'm i'm I'm not making this up. I remember that moment. and um cause I appreciate getting a laugh, especially from that group.
01:35:18
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like we were They were not there yet, but they got there. All of them in that room. Cross uses Suck It all the time. Garofalo uses Suck It all the time.
01:35:30
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Benjamin uses Suck It all the time. Silverman uses Suck It all the time. um these And i want to I want to believe that that moment like I brought back.
01:35:40
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I was the impetus. And i I know it's crazy, but I'm going to believe it. And I'm going to say, on your show, I'm going to take it. You ever hear some comic say, suck it. And it's always funny.
01:35:51
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You can thank me because I did an improv one time that cracked up the very people that use that. Nice. That's awesome. I'll tell you another thing. Sarah Silverman wrote a book called um i I Wet My Pants in Bed or something. It was her first biography. At the very end of that, she's got this funny thing about a penthouse forum um experience where... um These two people you know have this crazy sex, and at the very end, the guy she's having sex with says, your last name's Silverman?
01:36:26
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You're freaking ah And then the the writer of it is Earl Waterman, W-O-T-T-E-R-L.
01:36:38
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That happened in her apartment with Mary Lynn Rice Cobb. They were roommates in West Hollywood. And Sam Seder was dating Sarah. And I was sleeping on the floor. And Mary Lynn was sleeping on the floor. Mary Lynn from 24 and a lot of other stuff. um And then... um another person whose name escapes me, um who's a casting director, Tracy, Tracy Katsky, was ah in and Sarah were all in this apartment. And one night we were partying and everything. And Sarah and I did this really inappropriate long improv of penthouse forum. And then when I saw that couple years later at her book,
01:37:22
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it's just It gives me great joy that maybe somehow, some weird way, I was ralph relevant. Yeah, you get that that little that little nod, you know. Nobody else is going to really know. but its No, it's not it's my little nod. And and and what one day... ah um ah what What's the kid's name from Leaving Las Vegas and the Vampires, Kiss and The Rock? Oh,
01:37:50
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oh Cage? Yeah, Nick Cage Sean Connery. I was working at TNT Rough Cut as an entertainment reporter. and every year in vegas they do this thing called show west where all the theater owners get together for like here's the new soda fountain here's the new popcorn machine these are the new candy things and all the all the films come right and i'm doing interviews with everybody i do uh uh really quick do we have time for just two quick stories yeah yeah
01:38:21
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Okay, and I'll wrap it up. Okay. that That was kind of like a, no, Dave, we don't. but Yeah, we we got a few more minutes. Okay, I'll wrap it up with this. So I was prepared to interview Nick Cage for Leaving Las Vegas, which he had just won the Golden Globe for, and he was going to win the Oscar for it. And so I'm all ready with questions for that.
01:38:37
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And I had a little, I got a room at Bally's, and it was, the bar was stocked, which was a bad thing for me at that time. So I get there juiced up and I, but I'm functional and I'm ready to talk to cage about leaving Las Vegas. And just before I meet him, his handler says, um,
01:38:54
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he doesn't want to talk about it because he's afraid he's going to jinx the oscar so you could talk about anything else and i knew he was in the rock i knew he was in the rock with sean connery and ed harris but i wasn't ready for it i said wow the rock how great was it to work with ed and sean and i couldn't get their last names out and and and cage is my age he's like uh Sean Connery and Ed Harris are two of America's finest actors. And to not know their name
01:39:26
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probably should take us away from this interview totally. And I said, well, I was yeah i was prepared to talk to you about a completely different subject. And we both stood up and grabbed each other's lapels. We were in Circus Circus. and i never got out to hollywood or to Las Vegas Boulevard faster. But I got into a little fight with Nick Cage. Yeah. That sounds like a Nick Cage story too. That happened. That it really happened. Yeah. if
Gratitude and Opportunities
01:39:54
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but He's always got loose cannon. he Yeah. And i got I got to have that experience. Yeah. Yeah. so I got more. Yeah. We'll talk in Ybor City. We'll talk in Ybor City. Right.
01:40:05
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Thanks for for letting me be on the show, man. i Absolutely, David. this was This was awesome. I had a great time chatting with you. i i think I think we have so much more to talk about down the road here. I may have you back again. yeah i'd love to I'd love to come back or stay in touch. I'd like to be part of your your audience. I want to find out how to yeah see the Saturday shows and stuff for sure. oh yeah Absolutely. absolutely um Now, real quick before I do my spiel, do you have anything coming up? I just realized that I didn't change my name. That was from Saturday night. Oh, okay.
01:40:38
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Damn it. i ah Yeah, that's why I said I came home literally got home changed out of my work clothes and sat down at the computer um But do you have anything that you're that you're working on or anything? I don't be coming up soon or anything I'm doing community theater in Spring Hill and the improv stuff at the Commodore from time to time Just waiting for the next thing. This is kind of like
Invitation for Creative Collaboration
01:41:07
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my step back into, you know, let's let's reassess and and moving forward. but all my stuff's online. If you want to go to Just Add Waterman Show on YouTube, you can see dorky videos I made and clips and movies and stuff I've been in. and
01:41:21
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Yeah, looking for collaborators. I'm always looking for people that have ideas and might want to get together. I've got some experience. You've got some experience. I'm i'm really looking for people that might want to collaborate on something. Yeah.
01:41:37
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You know, who knows? make Make something happen. You know, Florida area, I travel. I go to New York. So whatever. Yeah, that's right, man. Thank you. yeah You never know when the right set of eyes or the right ears will we'll hear something you say. Yeah, yeah. Like the way he thinks.
Podcast Conclusion
01:41:53
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um No, I absolutely do appreciate you, man. If there's anything we can do for you moving forward, please don't be a stranger. Don't be a stranger in general. Okay.
01:42:01
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You know, um had a great time talking to you, man. Wish nothing but the best for you. And enjoy that weather down there. I will. I think we beat the tornado. This has been such a blast. I'm really grateful. Thank you so much. Absolutely. absolutely You guys can find David everywhere. He's not hard to find. You can literally put David Earl Waterman right into the old Google box.
01:42:24
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And he's going to literally go be the first thing that pops up is his IMDb. We've also got it here in the chat for you guys as well. You can click those links and give them a follow, give them a like and a share.
01:42:35
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And don't forget about us. Give us a follow. Give us a like. Give us a share. um Coming up right after we get done, literally when I close the door here, Wally's coming in on Speedway Stories with Mark. And I'm not even go to butcher Mark's last name. I'm gonna let Wally do that.
01:42:52
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He's a hob a hobby car driver, builder. It's something in the race world. It's not my show. I don't have to be prepared. Yeah.
Musical Performance Outro
01:43:00
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But check out the rest of the shows. Tomorrow night I will be live with my very good friend, Zay Grassley, rapper, country singer,
01:43:11
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Rocker, I don't know. He's doing a little bit of everything. And been since the last time he was on Glick's House of Music, he's got a bunch of new music, a bunch of new collaborations out. So I'm excited to sit down and hang out with him.
01:43:22
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And then check out the rest of the week's shows, bio.link slash nonsensicalnetwork. All of our links are there. Give us a follow, give us a like, give us a share. David, been a pleasure. Appreciate you. guys And I'll see you again sometime, man. Thank you. going to hit these buttons and we can get out of here.
01:43:36
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Okay. Talk to later.
01:43:42
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So
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Always been an outlaw, runnin' from the long law Get it from a pawpaw, he got me a shrink Yeah, they all call me a freak I was raised by the creek Ain't no antidote, people sink or float If it ain't the whiskey, it's a coke Gonna make my heart stroke, they all call me a freak I was raised by the creek
01:44:35
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I'm a prodigy of a backwoods of green. Somehow come out clean. Always been an outlaw. Always been a quick draw.
01:44:45
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Haces on my sleeve. Yeah, feet of darling sleeves. Should've been a cowboy. Never the problem.
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I got a first class ticket to a long
01:45:19
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Had a little tech nine on the fat tracks Grew up tugged with a savage dad They say rivers can cut through rock I was always going off half-cocked They all call me a freak I was raised up by the creek
01:45:34
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Ain't never had a lot of room for friends, ain't never had glass chin Ain't never been shook from people who took from me cause I still stole from them They all call me a freak I was raised up by the creek
01:45:48
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I'm a cottage a backwoods degree. Somehow come out clean. Always been a mile long, always been a quick draw. I'd still love my sleeve, yeah, feed a dog asleep.
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Should've been a cowboy, never the problem.
01:46:09
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I got a first class ticket to a long black train. But I've always been a freak, come
01:46:34
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You just can't get it cause you don't know what it's like living this country, boys are living. Come on! Always been
01:46:56
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Haces of my sleep, yeah, feet of dog that sleeps. Should have been cow, but was never really proud.
01:47:06
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I got a first class ticket to the long black train, but I've always been a freak out.