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GLick's House of Music: Mark Mason
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Tonight Glick sits down with special guest Mark Mason for a backstage-style conversation about music, stories from the road, and the moments fans never get to hear about. It's raw, real, and a little Nonsensical- The way music talk should be The unofficial backstage pass to the music world
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Musicians unite in spirited setting
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Musicians gather spirits.
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We'll hang out, no time spared.
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On hallowed ground.
Impact of music on dreams and aspirations
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Things music a vibrant call for one and all To give their all in this sanctuary where dreams ignite music's power
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House of music, a place to be for every heart, wild and free.
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I know the work days don't add up like they used to. Tired of running around, picking up the slack. I've always got your back.
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Until you got mine, just give me some time. Please don't go. Girl, it'd be such shame. The air just don't feel the same when I ain't with you.
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Please don't go. don't know what to say. hate that you feel this way. I promise that I won't stay this way. Please don't go.
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Good night sky falls, I'm all that long, wishing you'd just pick up the phone. I done called twice, no damn love, lost everything but the truck.
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And I know that you probably think I'm nuts, and I know that you don't give a fuck. don't go girl it'd be such a shame the air just don't feel the same when i ain't with you please don't go i don't know what say i hate that you feel this way i promise that i won't stay this way please don't go
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What's going on, everybody?
Introducing Glick's House of Music
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Happy Tuesday. Welcome to Glick's House of Music. Your unofficial backstage pass, if you will.
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If you're not already checking out the network and following us, first and foremost, shame on you. and Second of all if you don't know about it, shame on us. But you should, because I tell you every week. Bio.link slash nonsensicalnetwork. Got all them links there. Facebook, Instagram, X, TikTok, YouTube, YouTube.
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Unfortunately for you, if you do Google the Nonsensical Network, this stupid face is going to be the first one that you see. Anywho, enough about us. Enough about me. We're not here for that.
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that killer voice that you heard at the beginning ohio zone i like the guy i don't even care i don't even have to like his music at this point he's already great in my book he's a browns fan and he's a wrestling fan it just makes it better that he's a hell of a musician too mark mason hanging out with me what's going on brother what's kind happening thanks for having me my friend absolutely absolutely i'm excited i get excited because i don't get a lot of ohio love surprisingly not of ohio Not a lot of Ohio artists have come
Mark Mason's musical journey
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through here. However, the ones that have are up there around your guys' just parts. yeah
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And i can count I can count how many Ohio artists I've had on this show. On one hand, three. Okay. But they're all from up there. love it. And you guys are cool up there in that area. so um But I do want thanks for coming on, man. Welcome to the show.
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um course. You know. right off the rip, dude, I got to tell you, you got a very old school sound and you don't seem very old. so You seem like a baby.
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and I say that with, with all due respect, you got a very old school sound to you, but God damn, you got a powerful voice too. Like it almost, i don't know if it hurts you sometimes, but it it almost hurts to hear. You're like, how do you do that?
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Uh, uh, I don't know, man. A lot of trials and tribulations formulating, you know, one thing after another. But, you know, I definitely appreciate the kind words. I normally got a little beard going, too. So this is one of the few times all I'll look probably as as young as I do right now.
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little baby leash. Yeah. um na I have been threatened with violence, severe but violence, and potential unaliving if I ever touch my beard. so yeah Yeah, the lady ain't having it, so she'll come back quick. yeah that's That's exactly it. Beard and hair are off limits. Everything else, I can do whatever I want with it. no
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What's going on, Chatter's Box? Wally in the building, Kayla in the building.
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i'm nice i love i love it's it's so hard you know what we're gonna talk about your music but we're gonna go ahead and get this one the elephant in the room it's so hard ah i love it i love the pain yeah right glutton for punishment i i hope i hope eventually one day maybe I don't know if it's the front office. I don't know. i mean, we seem to have the the talent on the team yeah here and there.
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um thought we had it in Stepanski coaching-wise, but he turned out to, don't know, he's going to go win a Super Bowl in Atlanta because that's that's how it goes. Yeah, yeah.
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and we but that It will be our fault, that's for sure. Yeah, exactly. I mean, we had Belichick once upon a time, and now he's supposedly one of the greatest coaching minds ever to grace the NFL.
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I don't remember him being so good in Cleveland. I'm just saying. I agree. I agree, bud. That's how it is. Maybe one of these years. I mean, we do have some some bright spots. Miles Garrett, obviously, is an absolute – monster, you know, setting a record, defensive player of the year. um And we've got some young guys, some young, stupid, talented guys. So maybe this year we'll get six, seven wins. Yeah. Yeah. Something, something to be happy and hopeful about. That's a reason to go to the games besides just drinking a lot of beers and screaming and hooting and hollering.
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I mean, that's that's really the only reason to go right now. But yeah um are you excited for the new dome? Honestly, i am like, I'm really not.
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Cause I just think that, uh, you know, one of the, the, the big draws, um, and the experience of like going to a football game is the downtown scenery, the, the camaraderie, the, you know, just everything. And it's such a historic place, Cleveland, you know? And so i think it all just comes together and makes it like just all that much better with where they're putting it. I think it's, you know, it's going to make them money and and all that stuff, but don't know.
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I'm just, I'm not really a ah fan per se, but
Cleveland's new dome and its impact
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you know, to ease their own. I guess mean the only thing I'm excited about it is, uh, I've been up there and that, that, that lake, that lake effect wind ain't no joke.
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When you, when you're outside the stadium and it's like 50, 60 degrees, and then you go into the stadium and it's 20 degrees cold. Oh yeah. like It is going to be weird, you know, with, with everything else that's up there in Cleveland with, uh,
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Guardians and and the Cavs and the Hall of Fame and all the food and everything else, it's all right there downtown. And now they're going to move the stadium, you know what, 10, 15 minutes away, something like that? No. That's going to be one of the downfalls, but No, more opportunities, I guess, for, like you said, they're going to make money. All about the knowledge. All about the knowledge. Cleveland may never go to the Super Bowl, but they could host a Super Bowl. Yeah. Might be the only way we get in. We'll take what we can get, I guess. Yeah, right? But anyways, yeah, just had to get that out there, man. I have my diehard. I love my brownies. And every year, every year, I'm like,
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I don't know why I root for this goddamn team. Every year at the end of season, I'm like, I'm done. I'm done. And then preseason kicks off and I'm head to toe. Brown's got, you know, I have decided I will no longer buy jerseys though.
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Uh, because I buy a Jersey, that player gets shipped off except for miles care. Now I'm into the yeah nostalgia. I found a place down the road for me and they have an ass load of old school players. Like I just bought a, uh,
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Urlacher jersey, an orange-fared Urlacher burlaer jersey and they've got a whole bunch of other ones that I want. um
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I want them, but I don't know how proud of myself I'll be for owning anything Dallas Cowboys. but dave They've got a couple players that are like, maybe. We'll see.
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Nonetheless, man. um let's get back on Let's get back on that music subjects um We were talking a little bit behind the scenes.
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And a on I'd ask you about the Nashville thing, ah you know, if if that's something that that you thought about doing or or or done or whatever. um and And I know we were like, i don't want to reha ah rehash it, but yeah we were talking about behind the scenes. what What's your kind of thoughts and opinions on that?
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um Yeah, you know, I think... I think it's a great place and they give you a lot of great opportunities, you know, like within reason, um you know, Nashville's history.
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I mean, really speaks for itself, but you know, one of the main things that I think it's taken for granted, you know, with like the modern day artists is, you know, the writers rounds. And that is one of the, uh, you know, the main things that has brought me to Nashville. Um, and it allowed me to kind of show some people out that, that way, you know, what I'm capable of and, and, you know, what I like to do.
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ah but I think now it's kind of just like, just like another thing to a lot of people. And so, um, for me, like moving out there,
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ah I just think it's so over flooded and there's just so many people trying to do the same thing. And there's only so many opportunities to go around. um And the way I see it that, you know, 500 some miles away, if I'm still able to receive these opportunities, I must be doing something right. So I don't see where it would make sense for me to go and, you know, just pick up shop and move on down there. Just, you know, so I can do what a couple more, you know what i mean? It just didn't, it doesn't really ah make sense for me at this moment in time, but,
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You know, you never know what the future holds, but for right now, i I'm happy in Ohio. That's for sure. Not many people say that. So I want i tell you this, and I mean this every ounce of my being.
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I tell people this all the time. They always look at me weird. I would not want to be from anywhere else in the world. I love Ohio. Like just it's it is everything that has helped me become the person that I am.
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um You know, it's. It's a historic place. Its foundations are blue collar, hard work, you know, show up, put your head down, handle your business, do what you got to do.
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And, uh, and I, and I just, I love that, that, you know, type of energy and, you know, it builds the work ethic and it just leads into every other thing that you do in your life. And so like, now I wouldn't mind going some other places yeah and from somewhere, you know, I'm, I'm a ride or die with Ohio.
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I love it.
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I mean, it's nice here. I can't wait to get out personally. I got out once. I got out once and I thought I was gone forever and then I got pulled back in, damn it. but ah But I want to be somewhere warm. I want to be somewhere warm, somewhere on the coast, on a beach somewhere.
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um no but i mean, you're 100% right. I mean, you know, with everything you said about Ohio, you know, it is that that blue collar mentality, you know, just get shit done and you do what you got to do. um I think that's one of those things that no matter where anybody from Ohio ends up, if they leave, they all have that, just that mentality about them and it sticks with them. People know what I mean? We don't really, I don't think we have accents here, but you know, they I've been, people talk to me and, and work with me or something. They're like, you are you from Ohio?
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Yeah. Is that bad? Yeah.
Nashville music scene challenges
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So, yeah, I mean, so are you now, obviously, Nashville, you know, I've had a lot of people on here from Nashville, and they say the worst thing to do is get hemmed up on that Broadway. Everybody thinks, like, Broadway's the place to be, the place to go. Have you ever fallen into that snake pit the couple times you've been down that way, or?
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Um, I mean, like in terms of like visiting it, you know, of course, you know, I made my, my, my run. But, uh, you know, from the musician side of things, um, there's no disrespect to those guys and, um, and gals, of course, but, uh, you know, it's, it's easy to get caught up in that, right? Because it's the place to be. And you think that's where your opportunity is going to come. And maybe it does, but a lot of the time what you see is, uh,
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you know it's glorified cover bands you know you slip in a couple of the songs that you write and that you really care about but at the end of the day those establishments they want to push the covers they want people in there knowing the songs that are being sung and you know it's business it is um so for me personally uh i take a lot of pride in the stuff that i write and the effort that i put into all this um you know because there's so many hours and hours and hours just you know throughout the years just pouring yourself into something and i just feel like you really uh you know hold yourself back when you limit yourself and i feel like the broadway thing is very very limiting um so yeah for me personally i try to stick away from that and you know like the writers rounds like i was saying like that is where you you know you perfect your craft and you get to just show people just little bits at a time you know so yeah the broadway for me i'll go there to have some beers but
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yeah As for singing there, I'm all right. You go, you want have some beers, you want to hear the cover songs. Yeah, now that's what everybody says that I've talked to. A lot of them vo avoid it because they say you you know you you wind up doing five, six shows a day.
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And, you know, two days in, three days in, you have no voice left. You can't do anything. You can't even work on your original stuff. And that's, a you know, that's been the consensus. We kind of avoid Broadway and stick to the outer line places. But um speaking of the...
Preferred performance venues discussion
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performing and stuff. What what kind of places is right now for you? I mean, obviously, I'm i'm assuming the the dreams are to get to you know bigger shows and stuff like that. But for right now, um what kind of places do you like to do your shows in? Like the smaller dive bars or honky-ponks or whatever?
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um i mean, so with that, I'm going tread carefully, I guess. But would say, you know, for me, i like... I like to play anywhere where there's people out that like listening to good music.
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Um, you know, and my favorite places are the dive bars, the holes in the wall that, you know, where there's pool tables and little smoke outside, just people trying to just have a good time. Um, you know, right now, uh, I'm you know kind of currently working like the Cleveland music scene and, and all the venues that we have to offer out here.
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um But, you know, i my favorite like favorite place to perform right now, with the given the opportunities I've been given, in my hometown of Spencer, Ohio, we have a place called the White Elephant Saloon.
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Super small town, super small bar. Like, max amount of people you're fitting in there is maybe like 150, if you're lucky. And that'd be shoulder short, maybe 200. yeah But going there, man, it's like,
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you know, it's just a big hangout and everyone's having fun. And it's like, you go up there, you sing your songs and everyone's just ripping And then in between the, you know, shots with people, hanging out, the chopping it up, the look how far you've come to the, Hey, how you been? All that is, you know, you just can't pay for stuff like that. And so for me, that's,
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That's my favorite, I think, of what I currently have going on right now. i might And it might always be, despite wherever life takes me. because it's hey you know As long as you're doing what you love and you're having fun at the end of the day. you know that's yeah well they see maybe If you love what you do, you'll never work a day in your life or something like that. Amen. Absolutely.
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Until my bill's set. Yeah. No, no, that's awesome. I love that. that You know, i I'm a big, big fan of the, you know, obviously the local scene, the local music.
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um We got a few places down here. I'm down in central Ohio, um just outside of Columbus a little bit. And we've got a few places that in the spring and summertime, I absolutely love going to, because you get that atmosphere. You see, you know, the bands come down in between sets and they hang out with people and they have drinks with your shots with you and stuff like that.
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And as a music fan, I love that. It makes me like the artist even more. Um, so do you, do you get the opportunity or do you want to do more outside of that area, outside of Cleveland?
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Absolutely. And, uh, know, kind of speaking from the area that you're, um, You know, from like, I played some down in a Buckeye Lake area down there. thiss royal manica Oh yeah, no kidding. I'm about 15 minutes from Buckeye Lake.
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I'm in there. Okay. yeah sirs like And that that's like another great like pocket of places where there's just a lot of good things, you know, to be seen and do, um you know. I mean, i've I've ventured out around some. Obviously, you know, I'd love i'd love to go anywhere and and everywhere and just, you know, get as many opportunities as as possible. um You know, I want – as much as I want people to see me, I want to see people.
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You know what i mean? i want to i want to hear the stories. i want I want to meet people, shake their hands, have the hugs, share the memories, make make moments, you know, with people. And and and i'm I'm down to go anywhere, you know, wherever – Anybody will have me. um you know it's It's difficult.
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I'll say, no I'll just call what it is, man. There's a lot gatekeeping. There's a lot. Everyone talks that shit like, oh, you know we're looking for this, we're looking for this, we're looking for this. and then you say, all right, here I am. But then there's like criterias that have to be met, right? And in today's age,
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you got to have X amount of followers or you have to know this person or you had to have done this. It just makes it a lot, lot harder to get the opportunities. But, you know, with, I think the right amount of like discipline, consistency, persistence, like, you know, it definitely pays off. Um, yeah, you know, it's just, it's tough to secure the stuff, but yeah,
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But the opportunities are out there. and I'm looking for them as much as possible. Yeah, don't don't worry about how many don't followers I got or anything like that. Just let my music speak for itself. You know, at the end of the day, you know, you want a live act. You want somebody that people are going to enjoy. Just give a guy a shot. not You know, not everybody's going to be, you know,
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Yeah, and and that's the nice thing around you like around here, and like you said, Buckeye Lake, and there's a place out there that i love, and and they shut down for the winter, and I cannot wait until they open back up. It's not in that Buckeye Lake area. It's called Big Stands.
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and they Yeah, i Big Stands, yeah. Yeah, they've got a great outdoor stage. or If you get back down this way, you know I'll be there. So you know you have to get back down this way. I may come up there. We're already, Robert and I are already planning a trip up to the Cleveland area anyways.
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One of the former guests on here, good friends of mine. They've become friends of mine because of the show Kissing Lula. They're a metal band rock band out of Cleveland. We want to get up there to see them and and hang out with them. So it's like, shit, we'll travel. but I don't care. I'm always down for the music.
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Um, but yeah, definitely. You ever get back down this way again, shoot, I'll be there. We'll have a couple beers. Yes, sir. No, it's a process, man, but it's, but it's cool. Okay. I'll ask, is there any one venue that is your number one for where you want to perform throughout your career? and Like your dream venue?
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Dream venue, man. That's a great question. Um,
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Fuck funny. Two things pop my head. um Obviously, like Grand Grand Ole Opry, right for any any country singer, you know, that's that's the pinnacle. You have to get the invitation. You know, it's it's very rich and it's and it's, ah you know, it's culture and traditions and stuff. So obviously that would be, ah you know, like a big one.
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um But honestly, with the way that these stadium tours have been going lately and a lot of these big acts and, you know, like, shout out like Zach Bryan, like, he's, he allowed, you know, an individual come play the big house. And then he never even played in a dive bar before.
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But now he's doing big, you know, he got, he performed at the biggest live show in the history of live shows, like, superseding, like, Bruce Springsteen and all these other guys never even in the dive bar.
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And it's like, these these opportunities are out there. So, my big one. I'm trying to play in that Brown Stadium, baby. Hopefully before it goes away. But that would be my main two.
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Well, that would be cool. we got We got a couple years to make that happen. So that'll be what I'm definitely at if you get to play the Brown Stadium. We're trying. We're working on some stuff. If, you know, the guy will have and everything goes how it's supposed to, then and we'll make it happen. If not, we'll catch it the next time it comes around.
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Nice. I'll have to get me an official Mark Mason Cleveland Browns jersey. Yes, I'd love that, too. I think that's where I'm at. I've always been against them, but I think that's where I'm at. I'm just going to go get me a custom jersey with my name on it. you know ah know I can just tell people, yeah, I was one of the 75 quarterbacks since 99. Yeah. It was short-lived, but I was there.
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Yeah, I was there. Yeah. No, that would that would be awesome. That's, it that's a you know, one of the things I love about with musicians and stuff like that, when when they get the opportunity to come back home or they get to play, like, for the hometown crowd, you know, you get to go back to your roots and and do that performance, whether it's before you get, before you blow way up or after you blow way up. And yeah when you're able to come back home, that's always a cool thing when you see that. It's just like, oh, yeah, that's that's cool. Absolutely.
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um No, I i'm i'm all about the live music and what you're describing, you know that that experience is a fan when when you go see someone in a a dive bar or a smaller establishment and they're down to hang out with you they don't come up and like do their music and then go hide in their camper or Backstage or whatever like that just makes that experience and And as a fan, you become more of a fan when you get to have that experience with them.
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Yeah. we know It's just a real dude. but Hey, we've we've all heard, you know, people saying, oh, I seen them win or I knew them before. or One time i was at this small place and then I got to see this person. And later on, they became this thing. And it was like, you know, if you set the tone and make real connections, um you know, you can you can be something, you know, a cool a cool story for people and and their lives and just, you know,
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when they feel connected like that, it holds way more weight than you realize. So, you know, me, I'm just super big on personal connections. I i don't care what it is, if it's a random conversation on a sidewalk with just a stranger or, you know, talking to people I love, like anything in between, like, I'm just always trying to make some type of connection. And yeah it tends to go a long way.
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No, yeah, and and and I got to give you props because you know doing this, I mean, I've had those interactions, like you like you said, where some venues are like, oh, you don't have X amount of followers, where I'll reach out to an artist and either they won't respond, which is whatever, or they'll respond and they'll go, I mean, you only have like 1,000 followers on Instagram.
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Okay, I don't know what that means, but all right. I'm sorry. You only have 2,000 followers. What are we doing here? And then it just it just kind of sets its own. Like, you know, you, I reached out to you, and you're like, hell, I'll do it tonight. Which worked out because the guests that I had booked that night wound up ghosting me. I just didn't. You know, I'm like,
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He had, he had some other things that popped up and he wound up triple booking himself. And I'm like, it happens, dude, whatever. You know, I'm not mad at him. He did reach out to me the next day and and whatnot. But I was just like, oh man, if I'd have known this was going to happen, it could have worked.
00:29:41
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But yeah, you were quick to respond. And and that, that's, that's cool. You know, even, you know, And i i I thrive on the the independent scene and the local guys. Like, I don't, oh do I have artists that I would absolutely love to get on this show?
00:29:55
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Yeah. But that's not what this show is about. This show is about you guys. You guys that are still out there grinding and putting in the hours and, you know, traveling up and down the road and doing their thing. And that, you know, and there's something to be said about that. You know, the best way to like, you know,
00:30:12
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bring all of what you're saying together there is, you know, the paying your dues aspect. um And it doesn't matter what, what industry you're in, you know, when you're in that, the thick of that shit, you're grinding, like you're paying your dues, man. And it's a dying art, you know, because of how the house shit is today. Right. You know, you got,
00:30:31
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one interview that does well or on a so sidewalk all sudden you're a journalist or you know you have one tick tock do great and then all sudden you're never played on stage and you're expected to go out there and play a stadium you know and it's just like things can move so fast and everyone wants that fast that meal ticket man that that golden ticket to say all right i'm going to the factory and we're good now like sure sounds nice yeah but you know i think when you work hard for the things that you're going after in life you know, the sweeter the fruit once you get it. It's just like, you know, you know, you earned it.
00:31:05
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And that's my thing. you know, I know my story is not going to be a overnight thing. And that's fine. I don't want to be, you know and i mean Just like how I love being from high. want to want to be from nowhere else. You know what I mean I know an idea of what, you know, how this is going to go for me and I'm signed up for it.
00:31:21
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That's my mother right there. Buffalo Lake is where I played in Buckeye Lake. okay yeah I don't know that I've ever been there. But I was like, I got you. I know where you were.
00:31:35
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But yeah, you know, just yeah, the pay the pay your dues aspect, though, man, it's it's important. And I think more people should have the mentality of being ready to pay your dues. It's a lot easier when you're not you don't and got to think about it. You just are doing it.
00:31:49
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yeah Yeah, there's something to be said though, like you know when you earn something and it's not it doesn't just fall in your life like you said man somebody drops a 15 second tick-tock video and now all of a sudden they're the next biggest rapper or whatever and they can't rap a lick, you know, they can't they can't write, they you know, it's just like really you got a beat in a in a hook that that caught on but yeah now you have nothing.
00:32:16
Speaker
But when you grind it out and you bust your ass and you start at the bottom and when you finally reach that point, whether it's superstardom or just reaching that point where you're you're happy and you're comfortable, wherever you but you know put success at, it makes it that much better. And it's so much sweeter.
00:32:36
Speaker
no Absolutely. Yeah, it's... that's And your in your definition definition of success, you know, it changes, right? You know, ah you set the short-term goals and then you work toward them and you end up getting them. And that's like, okay.
00:32:49
Speaker
Then you start pushing it back a little further and back a little further. But yeah, you know, as long as you're long you're happy with what you're doing, you can't go wrong.
00:32:58
Speaker
Like these guys, I've been doing this show so long. don't even have to ask questions anymore because chat already knows where I'm going to go. It's collaborative bucket list. Yeah.
Musical collaboration aspirations
00:33:10
Speaker
it man honestly i'm weird about the collaborations but um know of course there's people i'd love to to collaborate with uh i like like darris rucker like i think that'd be like all time pretty cool and i know he's always open to work with people um you know chris stapleton would be something that'd be unique uh man i'm trying to think who else i really like really you look i gotta chris stapleton don't even look at the songs he's sung and go ahead and if you guys don't know chris stapleton was a very well-known very popular very famous songwriter before he started singing them songs so absolutely absolutely yeah and i got a good one cassius cold pepper this dude is from alabama i don't i don't want to be mistaken but uh he's phenomenal man i've heard that like
00:34:05
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um if If you haven't, check him out. that that's That's right up there. He's actually coming up to ah a place out here in Lakewood, as a matter of fact, in upcoming months, I think April.
00:34:16
Speaker
I'm trying to hold up for him, man. not, I'm going to be in the crowd watching because I'm a fan. I think he's great. That right there, I think, is a solid good three that I would like to work with at one point in time.
00:34:32
Speaker
Darius Rucker, from all... from everything you hear he's he sounds like a phenomenal guy uh my ex-wife and my kids got to meet him we we used to live down in charleston where he's from and i was mad because i'm a huge fan and and um my ex-wife said that he was the nicest guy in the world my kids knew who he was because i listened to his music said he was great said he was as friendly as could be him and his family were in the mall and actually one of my daughters approached him first And he stopped what he was doing and talked to him and chatted with him and hung out with him and said he was an absolute genuine you know guy. And I was like, of course, the day I'm not with you. yeah Right, right.
00:35:16
Speaker
I appreciate it, Scorpio. And I've seen that, too. that's what That's the whole point, man. Hopefully you guys are checking out all these artists and showing them some love. Absolutely.
00:35:27
Speaker
Yeah, there we go. We got one going, baby. that's true know That's true. He's down in her neck of the woods. Okay. he's He's a man. um when you're when you're When you're doing, like, trying to set up gigs or pursuing, you know, like you said, you would love to open for him.
00:35:47
Speaker
Like, is that just a constant... being a pain in the ass and bugging these venues or blowing up the artist or their management team and just until they finally tell you to go fuck yourself?
00:36:01
Speaker
Yeah. pretty I mean, pretty much, man. It's like, you know a lot of persistence. You know, you definitely – uh you got to put the pressure on these people you know and a lot of it's like you know you try to set yourself apart or know whatever you can do to try to grab the attention um you know the lot the gatekeeping shit it's real heavy so it you know really holds you back but if you allow those things to like discourage you like you're never gonna nothing man so it's like I don't care. I'll email you 150 times a venue I want to work, all this stuff, because to me, I don't care what your interpretation of it is. If you think I'm an annoying asshole and you want me to go fuck off, fine, fuck yourself. That's cool. But me, I'm driven with passion and I want to do these things.
00:36:40
Speaker
I don't want to play this place because I'm like, oh, it's going to make me look good. I want to play these things because I want to play them. I want to play in front of people. I want the opportunity to to prove me right.
00:36:52
Speaker
and that and and not only myself because that almost sounds arrogant but like all the people that believe in me and follow my journey and and listen my stuff you know take time out of their day to try to connect with me you know i want to prove them right too because they believe in me and they believe in the success that i could potentially have so um you know yeah just like relentlessness like i'm emailing i'm calling i'm i'm doing whatever it takes to you know make make it stick You know, because I'm not the only one. And if I'm the only one and they're mad that I'm the only one, then that's their loss. You know, someone else will give opportunity, you know.
00:37:28
Speaker
But, yeah. Yeah, you see how much time and energy I'm putting into play at your venue? Imagine what I'm going to bring when I get to the opportunity, if you give me an opportunity.
00:37:40
Speaker
as I'm going to tread lightly because my chat likes to bully me with this next comment. But as an entertainer, you have to have a sense of arrogance or ego. You know, you have i mean you have to believe in yourself more than anybody else does. And sometimes that does come off egotistical or arrogant. But that that's, i mean, there's a right way and ah and a wrong way to go about it.
00:38:09
Speaker
So you know there's nothing wrong with, you know, yeah, I'm that good that I can. I can play your venue, you know? And if i suck, well, then tell me I suck at the end of the night and tell me I can never come back. But at least I got the shot, you know? Yeah.
00:38:25
Speaker
and And honestly, like, you know, a lot of it, you know, I won't be ignorant to the fact that yesterday care about followers and all this other bullshit. Sure. and the end the day, business business, right? What are all businesses built to go around with? That's money, right? You got to be able to bring in the crowd.
00:38:42
Speaker
You got to be able to be a great performer. You got there's a lot of things that come in, you know, into play with it. um So, you know, I'm not ignorant to those things, but at the end of the day, right. You got to be given an opportunity to build those foundations. You have to be given given a chance to make these people fans.
00:39:00
Speaker
So they come back. If you know, like one, I'm like pulling off top my head, like random a venue we have out here, a globe iron, right. If I was given a lucky opportunity to perform at globe iron one time for a big act,
00:39:12
Speaker
and they go, you know, say 300 people were in there and more, but 300 people were there. Law of average says I'm going get a good couple, you know, say at least 50 people are like, Hey, I actually really liked him. The next time that he plays a globe iron, you can guarantee that 50 of us are going be there. Like, yeah and that's, and that's how it goes, you know?
00:39:31
Speaker
um But you got to be given the opportunities and, um you know, but, that that's the process, you know, but I'm willing to work the process, whatever it takes, you know, yeah exactly to do what you got to do and get to where you want to be.
00:39:48
Speaker
Yeah. And, and, you know, being an outsider looking in just a fan, I think, I think just as much, maybe probably not as much, but, it goes onto the venue too. Like if you're going to have an act there, you got to market it. You got to put it out there. You got to sell. You got to believe in that act as much as, as they believe in themselves because it's not just, it's not just up to you to, to, to fill a house. I mean, we've got a venue down the road, uh, West church social, man. And and they are great marker marketers, promoters.
00:40:20
Speaker
I mean, there's been bands in there that they ain't never even heard of. And, and you, Like, oh, wait what's going on here? Let me go check them out. Then I go check out their social. And it's like, fuck yeah, I'm going to go see these guys.
00:40:33
Speaker
And you show up there and... they don't necessarily have the biggest social media following or or whatever, but you show up there and it's a packed house. And this is ah is not a necessarily a small place.
00:40:45
Speaker
um It's not a giant place either, but you probably get a few hundred people in there packed out. and And that's if it's in the wintertime, if it's in the summertime and they open up their bay doors and stuff like that, you're going get, you're going to some more in there as well. So, you know,
00:41:00
Speaker
Yeah, you you know, if you're going to give somebody a chance, you definitely gotta to got to push them, you know, just as much as as they're to push themselves. Yes. Because like you said, i didn know it's all about money. everybody Everybody wants to earn a buck, especially those business owners.
00:41:17
Speaker
Uh-huh. I respect it. Don't mean I like it, but I respect it. um How long have you have you been doing the music?
00:41:29
Speaker
Is it something you've always wanted to do or did you just wake up one day and go, you know, I think I'm a pretty damn good singer. should try this. Man, honestly, funny enough, i really wasn't like I liked music like growing up and stuff. Um, you know, I think like one of my biggest influences would be my mother. Um, you know, growing up, like we loved Catholic. So they would always, you know, play guitar and stuff around a campfire and whatnot. And, uh, you know, they definitely left some type of impression that later on, you know, come to do a little more to me than I thought it would at the time.
00:42:02
Speaker
Um, but yeah, and initially I had, uh, I went to school, um you know, i graduated during like COVID years. So I kind of like fucked shit up for that like next, you know, two years in terms of like the educational system and um being able to kind of get through everything smooth.
00:42:17
Speaker
But I went to school out here for, you know, audio engineering music production. And so they say that you're not a real you know music producer if you like don't know an instrument. and I'm like, all right, you know, that makes enough sense.
00:42:29
Speaker
And I always kind of liked the guitar. So I'm like painting houses and stuff at the time. I'm like, you know, today I'm gonna go buy a guitar. ah And, you was living with my girlfriend and her family there for a bit. So I ah had like a little small, like walk-in closet that I like snuck a little chair and stuff in there. And I just would like practice all the time, all the time, all the time. ah And honestly, I can truthfully say like consistently since,
00:42:51
Speaker
probably 22 you know 22 till now i started in this little closet playing and i've played every single day since and just worked at it worked at worked at it um and my mother she always said that she liked when i sang country music i never really took myself from much of a singer um but that's you know that's when i start you know getting the confidence once you put a couple little things together and you try some shit and then of a sudden i'm like all right now i got enough balls to sing but then it's like you know I think the same comes solely from from confidence and then obviously like building the skill set. ah
00:43:26
Speaker
So I would say I really want to worth the shit till probably year ago or so, you know, but just a lot of work put into man. And, you know, even when, you know, you show some people some stuff and you're like, you know, what do you think? and they're like, you ever thought about getting singing lessons? and you're like, well, fuck, you didn't s say nothing about the song. You like the song or what, man? You know, like,
00:43:48
Speaker
And so those little things, ah you know, motivate you and they stack up. And then all of a sudden you're like, no, fuck this. I do got this. I'm just going to invest as much time as normally possible into trying to get better at this to now i'll get to the point where I'm able to put out some, you know, really good releases that I'm really proud of.
00:44:06
Speaker
um So, but it's, it's been a, a lot of things added into it, but like it's pretty short period of time, you know, like, but just just under like five years, four years, something like that.
00:44:17
Speaker
which seems like a lot of people start getting into it about four years but i wasn't riding a train of of oh this is what everyone else is doing it just so happened to be where like life was navigating me at that period of time led me to the music yeah you just got uh yeah just purely by accident no yeah yeah hey man i can dig that though i mean yeah a lot of people you know you think you're gonna go one way in life and then it's just like Life says, no, we're going to try something a little different for you. Oh, yeah. I mean, i mean hey, at that period of time, if you had told me that some nice individual would be wanting to interview you about your music and just, you know, kick and talk about us stuff, like, yeah, fucking right. You know what I mean? But that's like, oh, like enough random shit stacks up. and then all a sudden you're like, oh, wow.
00:45:09
Speaker
cool opportunities to start presenting themselves. You just got to walk through the door sometimes and see what's on the other side of don't know if you assholes caught that or not, but he said nice. He called me nice. Yeah. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
00:45:26
Speaker
yeah Yeah, no, man. Like I said, I'm digging your music. And and that's the crazy thing with with with social media. i say it i say to every show. I say it literally every show.
Social media's role in music discovery
00:45:40
Speaker
It is a double-edged sword. it's ah It's a necessary evil for any form of entertainer, well no matter what you're doing. But but Man, it it'll put you right and right where you need to be. and and I love my Instagram algorithm because I can scroll through and, yeah, I get all my people I follow and I'm able to see what they're doing and everything.
00:46:02
Speaker
ah But it throws in the it throws in random people. And my algorithm right now is very music heavy, very local, very independent heavy. A lot of great musicians pop up on my feed, you know, yourself as well.
00:46:15
Speaker
And it's like, ooh, you just get that little snippet. And then it forces you to, well, let me go see what they're doing on YouTube or Spotify or on TikTok, wherever. you know I want to hear more. I don't want to hear 15 seconds or 30 seconds or you know however long you get.
00:46:33
Speaker
i want to hear more. And then I'm able to, especially if there's a YouTube channel or Spotify, I'm able to go and I'm able to listen to more. Damn. Okay. And now I'm a fan.
00:46:43
Speaker
And then I shoot that shot and go, well, I got a 50-50 chance. I'm either going to give yes or a no. And it's so hard to get a reading from some people just through text. That's why I always open the door a little bit early and go, if you want to come in, you can. I'll be in the studio fucking off. You don't have to come in and then start cold.
00:47:02
Speaker
But um a lot of people, man, for the most part, everybody's super cool. And you know like and like you were, now you were eager right now. Let's do it. Let's get out of here. I had to go.
00:47:13
Speaker
A gentleman that I interviewed a couple weeks back, Austin Lindstrom. And he's a little bit bigger following. I didn't think he'd even reach reach out to me in less than five minutes. I was like, well, I got an opening this day, this day, and this day. He said, first one available. Let's just let's just rock and roll. Let's do it. I'm like, now okay. ah I like that. I like that energy. And you had the same energy. and I'm like, fuck yeah.
00:47:35
Speaker
want to get him on as quick as I can. Yes, Very appreciative. Yeah. Yeah. What's going on, Daniel?
00:47:46
Speaker
So, either you have a dog or you have a ghost in your house. Probably both. No, I got two dogs. They're running around here somewhere.
00:47:56
Speaker
i I keep seeing like a little figure going back behind you I was like, ah i don't mean to freak you out, Mark, but I think you're haunted. and would not be surprised.
00:48:10
Speaker
No, I... and So, you know, you were saying like one of your biggest influences, like, you know, going camping and being around. yeah I don't know if that's a country thing, like a country bumpkin thing or an Ohio thing, because maybe it's a Midwest thing.
00:48:24
Speaker
because You get out outside of the Midwest, people look at crazy when you talk about sitting around a bonfire. And we used to do it back home. I grew up in the middle of nowhere, Ohio. And it never failed. Somebody had ah had a guitar out.
00:48:36
Speaker
Outside of the family and stuff, are there any artists that you really kind of look up to or or kind of try to bend your style to be like, or? um I mean, honestly, really not like, ah you know, not, no, no one really, yeah it was very like musically inclined per se. um You know, for me, at least in terms of like anything like that where I could like, you know, be inspired by a mom, you know, really like a,
00:49:08
Speaker
yeah, really. I'm just kind of like the first of my kind and of it, you know, trying to kind of take some stabs at some shit like this. But, uh, yeah, I don't know, man. It's so crazy. Like, especially like when someone puts it to you, like, they're like, Oh, like, you know, where does it really come from? And you're like, fuck, I kind of don't know. You know what mean? Like, it's there's just so many, like, it's so many like little things that just stack up that it's hard to like pinpoint like one major thing. Um,
00:49:35
Speaker
fuck No, yeah, no, no family really like, yeah, no, no, no family that was ever into the music like that or, or, you know, friends or any, anything like that, you know, it's just, just like my mom, like, you know, like it's country music playing some guitar and stuff is about it. Like, and even then, you know, she liked her cover songs and stuff. Like she still plays and whatnot, but, uh, yeah, just, yeah, it was kind of just, I don't know, random, random dream that just hit me one time.
00:50:01
Speaker
Well, I'll say, I'll say that here's a good influence at least. Um, So I was in high school, I had a guidance counselor, um, sit me down, you know, they do like the whole career thing. Like, Oh, like, what do you fucking want to do? You're like, where do you want to go to college? i got and I'm like, well, you know, I'm like, I've cut hair since I was like 12.
00:50:18
Speaker
Cause yeah my mom would mess up my haircut bar would mess my haircut. And I always get so pissed. I'm like I'll start cutting it myself. I'll never mess it up again. And, so I was like, I'm going to go to barber school. That was like my, my fail safe option.
00:50:31
Speaker
Um, and then she asked me i think maybe the most important question that anyone's ever asked me and i think it changed the whole course of my life right after that um you know she's like what you want to and i say well you barber school yeah i was like but i'd love to do music um and she's like which one do you want do more like gun your head got to choose i'm like music so okay barberschool you will never go to barber school in your life so she's yeah she's like i'm like okay she's like yeah no plan 100 on your plan a you want to music do music figure it out and i'm like okay and that kind of set the the pace and the tone for like the direction that i'm going start leaning in towards um you know just bit by bit um and i still you know from that moment it still didn't really
00:51:20
Speaker
buy into it all until a couple years later. But at that period of time, I'm like, you know, yeah, like you're right. And then as time goes on, like that statement and that moment, just, you know kept coming back in my head, leave for a little bit, come back in my head. Then all a sudden it starts coming back in my head and I leave.
00:51:35
Speaker
And then just, yeah it's there every day, every day, every day. And it's like, you can't ignore this. You know what i mean? Like i gotta, gotta leave into it. So I would say that would probably be like my most like influential moment that would like lead me into really diving in at it.
00:51:49
Speaker
Yeah, you reached that. I know I veered around a lot, but. No, you're just my kind of guy. Yeah. I'm guilty of that stuff, too. You asked me a question. I'm going to give you a 20-minute answer that I could have just. um No, man, you reached that point of yeah stop talking about it, and it's now it's time to be about it. Yeah.
00:52:12
Speaker
And it sounds like that's what that's what happened. it was It was enough talking about it, and now just pull the trigger and do it and see what happens. Yeah. No, and I, like I said, you know, I've become a fan. I was struggling tonight. I was trying to pick a song. I was like, I only need two songs. I wound downloading four them, I think, but I can play those elsewhere.
00:52:34
Speaker
know, that gives me, you know, um ah would I would like, and now and maybe maybe it's out there and i just haven't found it yet. Yeah. You got like a little, you know, you do some of the, I wouldn't say necessarily ballads or like sad sapient, but you got like a slower, but yeah you know, beat in your, in your music.
00:52:57
Speaker
um I kind of want to hear you like rock the fuck out. but Yeah. It's funny. So when I play shows, I'm like, I'm a very hype individual and it's funny you know I want to connect and I write these songs about my feelings all that shit.
00:53:16
Speaker
and I'll sing something that you know in my head, I'm like, oh, this would probably make people feel something. like They want to tear up and write in between. that Anybody that's ever seen me play, they know I'm like fucking woo. Yeah. That's what the fuck I'm talking about. You know, it's such a yin yang. Like I'll probably get fucking banned from the first place. I really turn it up on. Um, but, uh, I, I do have some things that are a little more, little more aggressive for sure.
00:53:47
Speaker
Um, right now I'm working, uh, uh you know because primarily like solo acoustic and i'm making do with that uh and i and i enjoy that sound i enjoy that that that style of music um but lately you know i started incorporating ah a drummer a good buddy of mine has come in and um you know in the jam session you find out a lot about yourself uh oh yeah and you know we played like not even like specific songs but you start going through things and you start kind of like identifying with these different genres and it's like You know, you get your blues, kind of jazzy punk stuff. You get a little, like, bluegrass remnants, Little Rock, you know, rockabilly kind of shit. And then, you know, just kind of all over the place. um
00:54:27
Speaker
But, yeah, I definitely got some shit. brewing up right now. I got a couple of unreleased things that are real in your face and fucking get you want to get up, maybe punch somebody. And I'm excited about it. So I hope, I hope I'm able to deliver, but yeah, I got, I got some in there.
00:54:45
Speaker
I got the sappy side and the aggressive side. yeah that head back for sure yeah Don't get me wrong. I'm a, I'm an absolute sucker for a, ah for a set sappy country song, getting your feels, man. I'm now I'm sitting on the porch, drinking a beer. Like,
00:55:00
Speaker
contemplating my life and my life decisions. I love that stuff. but you know At the same time, i'm like, ah this guy's got to have more. I mean than just you know i want to see him kick a speaker off stage or a mosh be you know go from one of your shabbies to the next thing know, there's a ah mosh pit down ah in front of the stadium. absolutely it it's funny like looking at me like most people like probably would not assume i'm like that in two of my feelings and shit they probably would immediately assume that i'm like way more aggressive off that um but yeah you know i just like those are the things that kind of like i don't know like conveying my feelings and stuff like that is what kind of built it and started it for me and now that i've gotten the rest with writing the songs and and playing with different uh you know chord progressions and stuff i definitely think i've been able to find uh uh
00:55:49
Speaker
a good, a good space for each type of thing. Um, and now just, it's just bringing it to people. But, uh, I got a show coming up on a March 27th at a Dunlap's corner bar in Cleveland.
00:56:02
Speaker
Um, and I'm real, I'm real excited about it. I think we're gonna bring some stuff to the table that, uh, people maybe haven't heard before from me. And I think I'm going to nail it on the head with the kind of stuff you're talking about a little bit, a little bit of everything, you know?
00:56:17
Speaker
Nice. No, and that's great. And, for And for you personally, as you know as and you're still you're still new into this, um you know you're still kind of is it and and and you're starting to venture out, is it easier to write songs you know that that are more from your feelings and and more what you're feeling as opposed to trying to just write a random song, you know kick-ass song? or I mean, take... It all depends. like So like my...
00:56:48
Speaker
My writing process, I think it was Johnny Cash who said it one time. But they talk about, like, you know, like, Nashville's going to show, like, you know, writing sessions and shit. And everyone just goes and sits in the room like, okay, here's the story. This is what we're gonna write about. This is how it's going to go. Me, it's not how I operate. Not even close. That's why I really don't write with a lot of people. I'm real, like, spur of the moment. Like, say something, oh, fuck, all right, I like that.
00:57:15
Speaker
And then I go and try to make something out of it. Or if I'm playing with some chord progressions and then all sudden I'm like, ooh, I like that. So then I can kind of start, you know, leaning on like memories, experiences, not only just my own, other people. you know, I'm bartender, like my regular job.
00:57:30
Speaker
um And I talk to so many people and hear so many different stories all the time. And I'm able to kind of pluck from all of their things and and add it to my own. um I think it's easy.
00:57:40
Speaker
It's easy to write a corny song. You know what I mean? Like 100%, like very stereotypical type of stuff. Like I think anybody can talk about a rager and drinking beer and fucking picking up mud and all that shit. Like 100%, I think that's easy as it gets. But it's like I feel like you got really like what you're saying. And I just, know, like, for example, the things that are like little more pick me up and stuff, like still lot of realism to them.
00:58:07
Speaker
yeah maybe just you know you can toe dip in the in the stereotypical stuff but you can't just fully fall in love with it or else you don't make no more connections you know um but yeah i think think it's it's definitely easier to write from experiences than it is to kind of just make something up that's that you're going to keep and ultimately show people like i've wrote i've written so many songs that are of that nature to where it's like yeah fucking having good time and fucking hanging out and doing cool shit and all that stuff it's like they're all right but those aren't the ones that are like when you show someone that one and then you show someone that maybe is a similar vibe but it's like a little more like attention to detail 10 times out of 10 they always like that one more the other one so it kind of shapes the way you start thinking about it so but yeah i mean it's it's very situational that's the best way to put it
00:59:01
Speaker
Yeah, no, I mean, as ah as a music fan, and a know this is something that I miss and in music today, and and and you guys, and and and I say you guys, the the local scene, the independent writers and whatnot, I miss the storytellers.
00:59:17
Speaker
We don't get that a lot in mainstream music anymore. It's just, you know, 10 people go write or go write a ah song that's going to, It's going to pop on the radio or pop on you know TikTok or wherever.
00:59:30
Speaker
It's catchy. There's no substance to it. and And you guys are telling stories again. You know, really that's, again, um maybe it's because I'm old. I mean, I'm going to be 45 this year, so but I'm old. But I miss that i miss it miss the stories. I miss the ah things that I can relate to. Like, oh, yeah, man, I remember that one time that,
00:59:55
Speaker
But, you know, girl broke up with me and and how I was feeling. And, you know, and i couldn't really I couldn't really express it. But this guy, i don't even know who he is. He hit it right on the head.
01:00:07
Speaker
know um So I got to ask you, said you're a bar you said you're a bartender. ah This is kind of my little squirrel moment. Allow my ADHD here to.
01:00:18
Speaker
it's yeah Being a bartender, the what you hear the at bar at a barstool, did that kind of inspire that in any way? Absolutely. 110%. My actual first opportunity I got in Nashville was to play on this podcast called the Playlist Podcast at the Greenlight Bar out there.
01:00:38
Speaker
And, yeah, basically, ah you know, i' a couple of my regulars, you know, just tell me kind of their life stories. And then I ended up, I was actually, i talked about it on that briefly, but I was like laying in bed the night I wrote that. It's one in morning, about to go to sleep.
01:00:58
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And the lyrics of the start of that song was like, 60 years of loving hard till God called one of them home. Bless you. ah It was like, I opened my eyes and I'm like, I got to go write this shit like right now. And I did, I wrote that song and like,
01:01:14
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probably like five minutes and it was just like solely based off of that. And, and that, that is actually what I was referencing when I was saying, uh, you know, I take it from everyone's experiences and stuff and kind of, you know, turn it into something.
01:01:28
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So yeah, it yeah. Heavily, heavily influenced off that. Nice. I like that one. That's a good one. Uh, again, you know, like you said, man, bartenders hear all the stories because you, you're, you you're, you're, uh, uh,
01:01:43
Speaker
Uncertified therapist at the end of the day. yeah yeah Yeah. Especially if you're working in a in a dive bar or a smaller bar, you know, hole on a wall type place, you're going to hear all the stories, whether you want to or not.
01:01:59
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So, no, that's awesome. um open You have, um are you going to follow kind of the, the,
01:02:11
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oh I would just call it social media.
Releasing music strategy
01:02:14
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It seems like a lot of the artists are Using them social media to their advantage. and You don't see a lot of albums anymore. You're seeing more like I'm gonna release a song I'm gonna hype it up for a month or two and then I'm gonna start hyping up a new song Building up to that really. Are you gonna follow that? Are you are you wanting to hopefully?
01:02:36
Speaker
Do a album or anything like that in the future in the near future? um yeah i definitely would like to do an album um for me i think it's about building though like the the foundational fan base um you know having people you know really like what you're doing and connect with you and then ultimately rewarding them for the patience and sticking with it you know and sticking with you and that to me is that you know giving them the album um Personally, I want to take a different route.
01:03:08
Speaker
Uh, and wo you find success with it though. Um, all across the way with people being like, uh, um, you know, Gavin Adcock's like a big one right now. Uh, he just floods, floods, floods, floods. yeah And I like that method a lot more. Um, just due to the fact that there can be something for everybody.
01:03:26
Speaker
Like if they don't like one through 10, they might like your, you know, 11 to 25 or whatever like uh so for me i think just putting stuff out consistently until i got enough people that i just am ready to give them that whole and you know thing but it's just weird because like to to put together an album requires so much time money effort and all these different things not that it's not like warranted but You want to make sure that like you're getting an ROI 100%. It's not about like money when I say that either. It's about like all that work you put in.
01:04:06
Speaker
You hope that people can connect with it. and it's like When you just put it out into the void, it's like, what what was that all for? you know so I don't want to fall trap to that. but but In due time, I think pepper some stuff out.
01:04:20
Speaker
maybe like four or five song like ep kind of thing and then i think be ready for an album and then take some of the favorites that people have liked over that course of time mix it with some you know newer stuff we're working on and then get laid out like that but yeah i think just it's about controlling the pace for me oh yeah yeah seems i mean Again, that's where it goes back to the social media being the necessary evil, man. you you yeah you want and and I agree 100%. Obviously, you want to make sure that the you know the demand is out there before you put this you know before you put anything out there. i mean It's like something as simple as merch. Why am I going to go have
01:05:02
Speaker
a hundred shirts made when I'm going to wind up giving away 75 of them and, you know, then I might sell 25 of them. Uh, I'm not getting, you know, like I just, just wasted all that money. You know, how am I going to get that money?
01:05:16
Speaker
good having Ultimately at the end of the day, you know, everybody, you know, you're, you want to make money off this. So everything can't be free. So no, that's, that's cool.
01:05:27
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Um, I had, I had something else I was going ask and it totally s slipped my mind.
01:05:34
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against school, ADHD.
01:05:44
Speaker
For you just starting and coming up and whatnot, are you finding are you finding it difficult with social media you're a younger guy, so you're of that generation where kind of comes natural, but are you finding the struggle to be ah almost...
01:06:02
Speaker
painful at times with, with hitting the right algorithms, the stuff like Oh yeah, definitely. Um, I mean, that's a grind in itself for sure. I'm not like, i mean, I'm not the biggest with the social media stuff, honestly. And, um, I think for a while there, maybe it was like to my own detriment, but, uh, you know, we invested some time and money into some, you know, good content stuff for like my most like recent release, uh, but it just came out on 28th, like all you bring, um,
01:06:30
Speaker
you know I flew out to a you know Dallas, Texas, and I filmed with ah pretty reputable guys, southbound sessions there. and um I just wanted to have some stuff that was super clean and guys who were really about their business. To be able to kind of start making sure you know that I'm on top of those things because that is a recipe for success. Making sure you have you know good, clean content for these people to be able to find you, um you know, first and foremost, because that's like the biggest thing. know, it is a tool for us. No no doubt about that. um
01:07:04
Speaker
And the the better you get with your tools, the more stuff you're able to build. oh um So, you know, definitely it's a struggle, but um I think it's the same as anything else. As long as you have like the right amount of consistency,
01:07:18
Speaker
you're going to, you're going to, you know, reap the benefits for sure. So ah for you personally, oh are you, are you the type where you're your, your own worth worst critic?
01:07:31
Speaker
Oh yeah. you dog Do you ever go back and and listen to some of your older stuff or watch some of your older videos and go, what was I thinking? Yeah.
01:07:43
Speaker
All the time. All the time. But that's the beauty of it, right? So that is that philosophy right there of looking back and being like, what the fuck? You know, that I think allows you to have that growth.
01:07:57
Speaker
So for me, like i like self-produced like a lot of like all of the releases I have out, I self-produced them all besides three. Three were done in studio and i've I've left them all on there. I didn't take nothing down.
01:08:12
Speaker
Um, and same with like all the videos that I've put out because I think that people that just present themselves like, Oh, I've just always been this good or full of shit.
01:08:22
Speaker
And I don't trust the fucking snake oil salesman personally. you irate I think there's something to be said about, Hey, this is where I started. And I'd like to be proof that as long as you work hard something enough and you have like the passion and the drive to keep doing it, you can get better.
01:08:39
Speaker
um You know, so for me, it's like i look back and I say, fuck, man, I hate that right there. But that moment in time was better than it was six months before that, you know. So really, they're just timestamps to me of progress.
01:08:53
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um And that's and that's what they'll continue to be for me, you know, for my um whole entire career. yeah being Being able to recognize that that that growth and see how you mature as an artist. And that's something for me as a fan when doing this show is, you know, seeing people, you know, like going back and and then diving into the music and listen to some older stuff and then listen to the new stuff and and then even stuff that comes after. You know, they've been ah you know been here and and and I still follow and whatnot.
01:09:28
Speaker
it's It's really cool to see that that growth and see that almost maturity. And the music changes, too. Yeah. It starts to change a lot. People, I've been asked before, like, why don't you take down your, like, when you guys first got started doing, you know, the original show. And I'm like, why?
01:09:48
Speaker
You know? Why would I? Do we look like assholes? Yeah. Clearly, we have no idea what the hell we're doing. But look at that then and look what we're doing now. I'm still an asshole, but and I still don't know what I'm doing, but I've gotten better at it. I think. Yeah, absolutely, man. And you think about it too, right? That first time that you were doing that stuff, like, and coming up with the idea of it all, like you were so fucking excited. I guarantee you're like, this is fucking sweet. This is probably the coolest shit that I've ever done.
01:10:18
Speaker
And it might be the coolest shit I ever do, you know, yeah, Then all of a sudden, right, that that finish line moves back just a little more, the little closer you get to it, you know what i mean? And I think that's the coolest part of it, like 100%. Yeah, so never take that shit now, ever. yeah i should should go be other i I would like to say that we'll never um run for a political office. However, times are changing, you know, and there's there's some shit on there that's crazy. But no, yeah. ah
01:10:51
Speaker
getting up on stage and being a performer. And I always ask this because believe it or not, I don't, I don't do a, I don't do public speaking. I'm absolutely terrified of, ah um which is wild considering, ah but for you, what was that first time like that you got up on stage and was in front of a crowd?
01:11:16
Speaker
Yeah. So um funny enough, The first time I like ever actually grabbed mic and said anything in front anybody. like I like rapping. Me and my buddies would always like freestyle rap and bunch stuff together. and ah Some of my buddies say I'm still pretty nice at, but I took a genre change, I suppose is what they say. um But the first time, you know some little rap songs that I come up with, I did it.
01:11:41
Speaker
you know i did it It was like the worst show of all time. And I was like real nervous before it, but you know, I found like strength with like my family members and stuff and just like got confidence from them.
01:11:52
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um And it was so bad, dude. I'm talking like my sister was holding the phone up to a microphone and I'm rapping. And then I get done with the first one and she's like, all right, thanks everybody. Have a good night. And I'm like,
01:12:07
Speaker
Bitch, I got two more songs to do. What are you doing? you know it just like It was a train wreck top to bottom. But it was really fun and like a very big learning moment for me. um you know and And now, like the way like it transitions, um like in terms of like the nerves, get specific on what you're asking. um I was a football player. And like I had like return kicks and a bunch of different stuff like that. And I always had like the pregame butterflies and then jitters and be like, you're so nervous sometimes. You always feel like you puke and stuff.
01:12:37
Speaker
But then it's like, I remember I would be standing there about to return a kick balls flying through there and I'm nervous as shit, nervous as shit. Oh fuck. That ball's coming right at me. As soon as I hit my hands, it's like flip switches and then her, yeah, switch flips. And I'm like ready to go.
01:12:52
Speaker
And that's kind of how it works now. Like, you know, I always tell my like buddies, like the day I have shows, I like get the bubble, got some shit and like, you know, like all day I'm all nervous. But that's like, soon as it's time, know, for game time, I just, I lock in, I'm ready to go. I'm in my element. I know I'm supposed to be there.
01:13:08
Speaker
And you know, your nerves, uh, kind of went away when you know that your preparation is where you want it to be. Um, so, know, those first couple of times that I was getting ready and going up, I was really, really nervous. My preparation wasn't all the way there.
01:13:23
Speaker
Um, and the first time I like really did a show as like country singer and stuff, like that's what I'll say. Like my first like real show was, uh, it was a 27 club owned by a machine gun, Kelly and a Cleveland, his coffee shop.
01:13:36
Speaker
And, uh, it was a sold out show. it was cool. These guys give me an opportunity and found me. Um, And I was so nervous, like leading up to it, but I knew I just put in so much work, so much work, so much work that it was like, no matter what happens, going to go up there and I'm rely on all this hard work that I put in.
01:13:51
Speaker
Fuck whatever the result is I'm going to give it everything I got. And i I think it went really well. And that's kind of set the tone in every other little aspect I've done. um So now I don't get as nervous when it I'm not nervous at all when it comes to getting up there. I just, you know, you turn into that alternate personality that we all got, the showman, yeah you know,
01:14:10
Speaker
and And they all kind of just fade away. Until you get done and it comes back and then you're like, mother fucker. What was that? You know? yeah like Man. Real you go back in reality. You're like, what just happened? What was that? Was that good? Did anybody like that? Yeah. yeah but It's all smooth after the fact. but Yeah.
01:14:31
Speaker
it's It's just metal. It's a metal thing. That's all. Yeah. No, I mean, I get that. When I you know when i first started doing Podcasting was one thing, doing ah i like live streaming is something that i've I've been doing for a real long time.
01:14:47
Speaker
But to actually do the quote-unquote, not just turning the camera on and throwing shit at a wall and whatever happens, happens, but to start doing content, man, I was so thankful and blessed that the first time I did an interview on this show, it was one of my best friends, like a brother to me.
01:15:04
Speaker
He's a musician and everything. So it was easy. I was like, oh, that isn't so hard. And then I interviewed my first musician that I had no idea who they were. And it was just like leading up to the show. I was so nervous. I was like, I'm going to be an ass. I'm going to sound and look stupid. And dude, I get that. And now it's just like cameras on lights are on. Let's let's rock and roll. But I've had that. I've had one experience on stage and I was so fucking nervous and everybody was hyping me up. I got to MC one of the bands that were on this show. Um,
01:15:37
Speaker
Southern Outlaws band there by Champion. You know what, Miles? Somewhere up there. um And I opened my big fat mouth and, well, they they called me out on it and I wound up MCing. I thought I was going to throw up, dude.
01:15:53
Speaker
You know, the whole time. And they're like, you're going to fine. soon as that mic was in my hand, I did my thing. And like you said, after I got done, I'm down there going, what fuck just happened? But at the same time, and I'm sure you get this and and and tell me if I'm wrong, it was such an adrenaline rush and it was a high that I've never
Transition from sports to music
01:16:12
Speaker
felt before. Yeah. All I do is drink alcohol. I don't do anything else, but it was such a high that I've never felt before that I wanted to do it again.
01:16:20
Speaker
Yep. At the same time, was like, no dummy, you don't get up in front of, in front of people. you Do you get that feeling? Like when you get done doing a show, do you have that like adrenaline rush, a adrenaline high?
01:16:31
Speaker
Oh yeah. And, uh, Like for me, you know I always stemmed to like the adrenaline rush I felt like like playing football. um you know and i And I reference football lot because you know it really helped shape me i like ah as a man and um you know set like a lot of like foundational stuff for me. um and you know that mentality it was like a high that you know that's that's why it's so sad when you have your last games and stuff because that feeling that you feel like when you're going to do that man it weathers away so the second closest thing i found to it is being a performer and stuff and getting up there and it's like i'm rolling like as high as i could ever be from the start to the finish and then honestly when you get done it's almost like a weight is just dropped off your shoulders officially because you're just like man all that preparation
01:17:16
Speaker
Leading up to it, the nerves and all that stuff. Then you go up there, be as vulnerable as possible, let that shit bang. And afterwards, you're just like, I'm the man. And that, I'm so glad is over. Now let's just hang out with everybody. You know, it's, yeah, it's definitely, it's, you don't get it at your nine to five. That's for sure.
01:17:38
Speaker
but Yeah, exactly. No, I can't walk around my nine to five like like a rock star. Yeah. yeah I'm going home i'm going on today after work and I'm going to hang out with so-and-so because I'm a podcaster.
01:17:53
Speaker
Shut up. Nobody cares. yeah like Oh, thanks. um Are you still trying? i i You said you're a hype. yeah Obviously, I can tell you're a hyped individual. You're hyped up.
01:18:06
Speaker
um Are you still trying to find your stage presence or is that something that you've already kind of locked in and and kind of started to hone? Yeah, um honestly, I think initially i definitely like the stage presence, you know, because the nerves, right? They come into play and you start kind of getting statuesque and you're thinking like,
01:18:25
Speaker
man, like, all right, I got to sing, sing the songs, right. I got to play the chords, right. And hope I don't mess them up. And then if you mess them up, hurry, just kind of treat keep going. Like it didn't happen and stuff. Um, and I think just like with the repetition of doing everything, I've gotten a lot better with it. Now I feel in my element.
01:18:40
Speaker
Um, I think I know what I'm supposed to do when I'm supposed to do it. Um, I know how to get the crowd involved now. Um, you know, because that's who you're playing to. Right. And it's easy to go up there and sing your songs be like,
01:18:51
Speaker
alright guys, well, you know I'm going to sing this next song and hope you like it. what not You know what I mean? It's just like you gotta you gotta have it. It's like essential. That's the entertainment aspect of you know the performance. right ah So I think now i'm I'm really dialed in with it. But you know at first it was definitely tough. because you know it's You're already doing so much vulnerable shit. you oh You think in your head, you're like, fuck. But then you're like, it's just one more thing That's also so fucking we're just if we're to a little bit of it, I'll do all of it. Just go all, of it you know, so it's gotten better with time. That's for sure. And only going to continue to get better.
01:19:31
Speaker
Yeah. Again, that goes back to the whole the whole growth thing. You know, that's worst case scenario. They're going to boo you off stage. You know, hopeful at the end of the day, worst case scenario. Right.
01:19:42
Speaker
Which nobody wants that. But now i what's going on sick. Yeah. He's that music is key to the soul. Yeah, it is. Yes, sir. Right there. I know you said you started playing with the well with with the drummer.
01:19:56
Speaker
Are you wanting to have a full band behind you at some point? Is that something you've thought about or maybe even started started looking into? Yeah.
Full band vs acoustic performances
01:20:06
Speaker
um it It just adds, you know, the more elements you add to it, you know, the more complete things kind of come out.
01:20:13
Speaker
Yeah. You know, me personally, like, I mean, if I could reach the levels of success in which I'd like to to have just, you know, solely just me and a and a guitar, like, sure. Because I think like simple sales whatnot. But, um and I'm a simple dude, like, yeah, but.
01:20:30
Speaker
Then once you start playing with our people jam and stuff and like even going and seeing the shows man so electric right that's the thing. um Why i really want to lean into it because I play a of shows out out here and it's you know I'll be on there with rappers and you know R&B singers and you know few and far between like country folk guys a lot of rock bands you know Cleveland you know rock and roll Hall of Fame. like it's Birthplace of it all and so it's still it's still heavy out here like heavy metal grunge like And they put on these wicked performances and then here I am I like to think of it as like a breath of fresh air, right?
01:21:04
Speaker
Yeah only when met with those circumstances right that that difference is good But say we're all similar and I'm on like a true blue country bill
01:21:15
Speaker
that element might not be there you know so might as well again have as many tools at your disposal as possible so that way you're able to to do better shows and and resonate with people even better so i definitely would like to find balance with it incorporate it and fall in love with it you know you You almost sound like on one of those shows where like with the heavy metal and rap and R&B, you almost sound like, yeah yeah I'm going to come out here with my guitar. I'm a little palate cleanser for you. you know
01:21:48
Speaker
Yeah, we're the simple water, man. Yeah, you know, there's there's the old saying, kiss, keep it simple, stupid. you up yeah um i love I love acoustic music, man. and when When I was growing up, back when MTV used to actually, one of my moments when I was a kid, MTV used to do ah music and they had the show unplugged. I loved it.
01:22:12
Speaker
You should see some these bands that you're so used to just seeing them rock out or do these big performances or these big shows and to see them strip their music down to just a couple acoustic guitars and play it that way.
01:22:26
Speaker
That's something that I've always loved. And even to this day, I'm a sucker for it. now if so If I see these like, a band or something that, you know, I'm used to just hearing them just do their thing. And then all a sudden they're like, Oh, we're going to do an acoustic cover of one of our own songs. Like I love that shit.
01:22:43
Speaker
So yeah, I would like keep that in your, your arsenal. Cause there's a lot of people that love the acoustic music, but you know, To find a band that matches your vibe, like you said, it it sets a tone for a whole new experience for a concert goer. Sure, you know, you've been to some concerts and stuff.
01:23:03
Speaker
it's Sometimes it's more about the experience than the actual music. You're there because you already love the music. you know ah You're already going to hear the music. I'm not so much worried about if the singer's a little bit off.
01:23:16
Speaker
But if if the singer just comes out and he's a stone wall or the band's stone wall, Where's the experience? Where's the where's the where you know where's the ah where's a good time at? That's what I'm here for. I already know the music. I'm going to go home. I've probably been listening to it all the way here. going to listen to it all the way home. I want to see you guys put on a show.
01:23:36
Speaker
Dance, monkeys, dance. One thing to kind of add on that, right something with band work that I think any band member of any nature will agree with me is when the more you have, it's the easier it is to hide the mistakes, right? Like if you see a lot of the time, like there's guys can stop playing, you know, besides like, you know, very essential things that like, if they mess up, you're going to see it real hard. yeah Like drummer and bass player, of course.
01:24:10
Speaker
But it's like way easier to hide your mistakes. When you are bones, just voice and guitar, your mistakes are in the spotlight. You know what i mean? If you hit a hiccup,
01:24:21
Speaker
everyone heard and seen that hiccup you know what mean and you gotta do your best to keep it rolling but and that and that's the thing right finding the balance between those two um you know set you up with a whole different avenue of of opportunities oh yeah that takes you back to that whole uh vulnerability you know you're out there doing your guitar you you miss the string or you you flub up the words you know something like that it's it's front and center you're like i want to go see park you know I guess he's but he can't play a guitar worth a damn.
01:25:01
Speaker
no i get that bad i get that hundred percent so do you ah You got the show coming up at the end of March. I would say we would make a trip up to Cleveland, but we'll be on our way down to, as I affectionately call it, Southern Ohio, a.k.a. Florida. Yeah, sir.
01:25:19
Speaker
Yep, that's where everybody goes for a while. yeah Yeah, we're North Florida there, north therere South Ohio, whatever the case may be, we're all the same. but um Do you have any – do you got any other shows or anything like that that you know of that you got coming up or any other projects that you're working on that you want to share and let people know about?
Upcoming Nashville performances
01:25:38
Speaker
Yeah, um yeah i'll be I'll be in Nashville in March as well, ah March 18th. I'm going to go out there for ah for a writer's round. Next.
01:25:50
Speaker
see a buddy of mine out there is very talented uh chris shelby shout out my boy um you know he he just he's from boston or massachusetts but boston area yeah um and uh he's phenomenal and so he just i got a house out there and stuff so i want to go see him and uh and uh you know just knock out that little bit of action i got out there you know handle that show uh you know, hopefully in between there, um you know, there's some, some other good opportunities right now.
01:26:21
Speaker
we're we're working on so much stuff and it's just hoping that some something hits, you know, shooting out an abundant amount of email. They tell my, my boys managing me and I'm like, listen, dude, I'm like, send another, you know, send another email, send another email. He's like, you want me to just spam them? I'm like, yes, that's what I've been doing.
01:26:38
Speaker
At least you're a little more professional about it. You know, so I was like, yeah, spam them. Cause that's the only way we're going to get, we ain't got to get an opportunity not trying to talk to them, you know? yeah So, uh, Yeah, we're I'm working on so much different shit, and I'm just you know waiting on a couple different little things. So ah time will tell how it all works out. But, ah ah yeah, for the moment, yeah, we're just hitting Nashville in March, and then and then this show there. And then ah April is kind of open. I'm waiting to hear back on a couple things.
01:27:05
Speaker
um And then the rest of the year, we should be pretty packed up. That's the plan. Nice. Try to get out of state or something. Right. right and That's the goal. Hopefully,
01:27:18
Speaker
hopefully hopefully that'll plan it pan out for you You know, are you opposed to like, you know, opening for other, you obviously ah other bands, like, you know, if an opportunity presents itself.
01:27:33
Speaker
Oh yeah yeah. You know, throw your name in the hat and, and say, Hey, yeah, no, absolutely. absolutely I'd love to open for, for anybody. um Honestly, like I'm really not, you know, super picky. I mean, like, ah like I said, i I play on shows with,
01:27:49
Speaker
rappers and you know just just a bunch of different genres as a whole um and i would love to open up for some for some really good country artists or rock bands or like whatever you know whoever's willing to give me an opportunity um you know because i think i bring something real real cool and unique to the table and i think uh you know the ultimate goal you know venues their goal is obviously to make money but at the end of the it's put on a good show right make people want to come back and i think that i you know definitely have the ability to to help some people come back and and ah give people a good night. um So, yeah, I mean, as as many opening opportunities as I can get in the in the upcoming future, you know, hopefully the more credible, the better, of course. But, ah you know, I'm not i'm not opposed to, you know, anything. i'm I'm open for it all.
01:28:41
Speaker
Would you be opposed to a podcast host potentially reaching out to a couple people and see if they'd give you a shot? Bring it on, man. Bring it on. I'll give you my cut of the pizza and beers.
01:28:54
Speaker
You're speaking my language. Some beer, a free beer. I'm in, you just point me in the right direction. no um No, man, I would love to see you out and about. I would love to get the opportunity to come check you out live, have a couple of beers with you.
01:29:13
Speaker
I don't, I don't know, man. I gotta, I gotta find some people. So hands of seeds. Appreciate you, brother. I love you. Uh, my goal is here in the next, I'm, I'm shooting a long distance goal, but I'm, I'm hoping it happens before that.
01:29:29
Speaker
I want to put together a music festival, uh, four day, uh, four day event Thursday through Sunday. And that festival is only going to feature former guests of this show.
01:29:42
Speaker
Yeah. Uh, and now another avenue to that show has presented itself, uh, to add comedians into the mix. That was brought to my attention by a friend of mine who's a standup comedian. And he said, you know comedy would be good to go with, ah with music. So but i don't know what to do. I'm sure there'll be some discounted tickets hands when that is announced, but I got to get my, I got to get my, my idea and myself in front of the right people.
01:30:14
Speaker
Yeah. So and that'll be an invite sent to every former guest of, of this show. And then we'll figure it out. I might have a rock night. I might have ah a country night. might do a,
01:30:25
Speaker
You know, whatever. Break the nights up per genre. But ah your name will be on that list. It's automatically there because. Hey, I'm with it. I'll do that shit for free. You want to throw me some pizza and beer? I'm with it. yeah my my My goal is, and and you're somewhat familiar with it, is big stands. I would love to do it out there. They're currently in the process of building a campground on site.
01:30:48
Speaker
No shit. Damn, I'm crazy. I'm crazy.
Support for Ohio's live music scene
01:30:51
Speaker
I would love to get with them and partner up with them and put it on there. They got a great spot. They're out in the country. You know, you don't have to worry about pissing everybody off in the city or anything like that.
01:31:03
Speaker
So um I think that'd be a great, a great, great show. and and And you're, you're here, man. You're in Ohio. Ohio loves the local music scene, you know? Yeah.
01:31:15
Speaker
I got to give, you you wouldn't think it, but I got to give Ohio credit, man. It doesn't matter the genre or what it is. They they love local music. They love live music. And and we love to drink and party. so yeah right But no, I think i think I'm going to reach out because I do know very couple very good friends of mine that are going to be on tour this this spring and summer. And I'm going to toss your name out there and say, hey, check this kid out.
01:31:42
Speaker
Hey, i'd I'd appreciate it, man. So, yeah, I think they would like you. I think they would dig your your style um and and you would fit right in.
01:31:52
Speaker
And you can out there with your your guitar and do your thing. And one band actually had a guy open up for him and it was just him and his guitar. And he killed it. So, definitely think I can the do that for you. I don't want to get you into a situation where you're like, oh, shit, I'm booked up. Oh, man, this sucks. No, no.
01:32:13
Speaker
I have too many gigs. Whatever will I do? I hope you like hope you got a good good amount of vacation time at your 9 to 5.
01:32:25
Speaker
Oh, yeah. They take care of me over there. They they they see the the vision and the dreams, too, man. they all They all want me to win as bad as I want to win. so you know that's you know I have never thought to ask that because I've interviewed a lot of people that still are doing the 9 to 5 thing.
01:32:40
Speaker
and That's an interesting point to bring up. i would you know that they do That they support you. Yeah, is absolutely. and to be like No. Sorry about your luck. Pick up your last paycheck at the door. you know ah so that's That's cool. um
01:33:00
Speaker
Man.
01:33:02
Speaker
I get sidetracked. And I have an idea where I i get sidetracked, but well bro I'm looking forward to watching you grow, man. I'm glad that, uh, you know, I'm looking forward to having that moment of going.
01:33:15
Speaker
I remember way back when had that guy on my show. Now he doesn't even respond to my messages. See, Hey, and you know what? I love the fact that you just said that, right? I hear that all day, every day. yeah i mean, as you can tell from our short conversation here, I talk a whole hell of a lot.
01:33:33
Speaker
And, uh, You know, I bartend. So I tell people all the time. No, hey what are you doing? I'm a country. I'm a country. And I show people stuff. And I i probably hear that 15 times a week. No exaggeration. like Oh, don't forget about me. When don't forget about me. When I never will.
01:33:48
Speaker
That's not because that because that's the thing. Right. The way I grew up, I think so many people had such a big play and who i you know became as a man. and ah And same goes for like my music career. um you know So many people just supported me and helped me along the way that it's like, I never forget a phase. And I know that when I hit people up and I want an opportunity or something, or just to be like, you know show support and just be like, man, I'm big fan of your stuff. like And you they don't respond, like all right, whatever. you know Like me, like I'll never, ever be that way. There's no dollar sign that could ever change me ever, ever, ever.
01:34:25
Speaker
that's not that's That's not the person my parents raised. You know what and i mean? Yeah. I always got respect and and and love for the people that i got respect a lot for me. and And I will always show it until they put me in a box.
01:34:36
Speaker
Yeah, yeah that's that's a good mindset mentality to have because, you know, too many people, they they they get to a hell. I've said it a million times. I don't care how big, how big or how successful I become doing this. If I do if i ever do.
01:34:50
Speaker
ah You know, I know who the ones that were there at the beginning. I know the ones that are that are stuck with me through thick and thin, you know, and shit's at the fan and shit's gone sideways and everybody thought I was going to give up and stop doing this. Now, man, you know, I don't care how big or successful we get. I like that mentality. I like to hear that mentality from other people, too, because some people say that you go.
01:35:14
Speaker
really? So, no, man. but Like I said, I'm i'm looking forward to to watching your journey you know here on the sidelines and and seeing what you do and and you know hopefully yeah you know being able to do do our part to to help in that journey. you know Absolutely.
01:35:33
Speaker
I ask before the show and I always ask on the show, as long as you're okay with it, we're going to continue kicking out the music here on the net across the network. you know We yeah we play music on different shows from time to time. And I've made it a point um that I want my other shows to, if they play music, make it former guests, you know, don't play anybody else. If you do like tell them to come hang come, come hit me up. But, but yeah like I want the former guests played. I want their music pumping out there for our audience, for our crowd, because you never know who that artist is going to be. That's really going to, you know, hit with somebody. that That's one of the greatest compliments I get from everybody is,
01:36:12
Speaker
I haven't had a bad, everybody I've had up there, they're like, man, another one, another artist I'm following now that I like. So yeah I got good taste, fuckers. yeah but Straight up.
01:36:23
Speaker
Hey, and and that and again, that is like a testament to you, man, like of just, you know, supporting what you like, right? Not enough people do that. Not enough people are willing to to to stand by and ride and support. with the things they like right due to you know not wanting to or you know fear of what other people might think of what your taste is or whatever you know and it's like you know that goes such a long way and and it's so heavily appreciated i'm i'm sure in this moment i can speak for everybody else that you work with that you know extremely appreciative like you know doing what doing you sticking true to you and showcasing what you like
01:37:02
Speaker
You can't go wrong with that. And if anyone has something to say about it, fuck them. And you know what? that That rings true for you as well, man. Somebody don't like what you're doing, fuck it. You're doing you at the end of the day. don't you know you You hear the stories of a lot of artists that sign with these big these big record labels. And course you hear the horror story of, oh, well, you're signed with you know Universal or whatever.
01:37:27
Speaker
you're You're a millionaire. No.
Challenges with big labels
01:37:29
Speaker
I get 20%. twenty percent They take the other 80, you know, but also you hear, I like to say Aaron Lewis, for instance, because it's ah he's he spoke on it a lot.
01:37:39
Speaker
They completely change who you are. They change your identity, the way you dress, the way you look, the way you sound, the music you play and everything else like that. And I say that because 20 some odd years ago, I seen Stane perform and I was like, and I was a fan and I was like, oh, this this was terrible because Aaron Lewis was miserable.
01:37:58
Speaker
And he just stood there and sang every song just like this and didn't even really do anything. Fast forward 20 years later, he's away from the label. He's doing his own thing. I see Stained again at ah at a rock festival.
01:38:11
Speaker
And it's a totally different band. It's a totally different experience. But he spoke on it a lot. that you know He got away from that record label and got away from not being him. And now he's back to you know being himself. hey For anybody in the entertainment industry.
01:38:27
Speaker
Stay true to yourself. stay stay Stay humble as best as you can. Absolutely. We were brought up a certain type of way. Luke Holmes is one that did that too.
01:38:41
Speaker
Yeah. I like Luke Holmes too. but like and And talk on him for a second. like You know, something... Dude's got a great voice.
01:38:53
Speaker
yeah But not to say like Nashville has an ability to get a bunch of the best songwriters in the world, right?
01:39:04
Speaker
And obviously that's subjective, but if we're going to talk numbers, we're to talk numbers. All the guys that put up the best numbers, they get in room, they write a song, and they pitch it to each of these guys, you know?
01:39:15
Speaker
And that's where I feel like the authenticity falls through, you know? Luke Holmes is fantastic. I like the songs that Luke Holmes writes. like i like I like all the shit does, but like I remember I heard ah Well, where the wild things are um And, you know, he talks Like, you know, his brother Hit a guardrail And died and all this stuff And, like, his brother moved away to California And all this stuff And, like, um you know, it's, like, feels really intimate And legit And, of course, that's going to resonate with people that You know, that that connect with it But it's, like, it's not your story And that's just something, you know That's a personal thing
01:39:56
Speaker
that i just like i like knowing something's real like like i love professional wrestling i'm not gonna use the f word i know it's a work though you know what i mean but i still like it you know i mean and that's fine but like the stuff that's real you know what i mean it just is different you know what i mean like it just is and to each their own of course but like you know i like i like the guys that you know do it themselves and that and that's one thing why the labels fucking rearrange and move all these people around and make them change their whole fucking thing is because half the songs that they're being you know it's either you fucking sing me song or you're fucking out of the job but you go back to where the fucking came from you know and it's like that's how it goes but i'm gonna try to do my best to keep you know what we built yeah unfortunately a lot of those songs are are cookie cutter songs
01:40:51
Speaker
me yeah yeah I like to call Luke Bryan catfish country because he just throws those keywords in every song. Girl, pickup truck, dirt road, beer. What you doing, dude? you're You're a talented guy. like i'm not going to shit on the guy. Super talented.
01:41:14
Speaker
Great voice on him, but it's cookie cutter. yeah know it's it's yeah We get it. We heard the last You know a Luke Bryan song in the first two or three notes because they all sound the same. And it's it is basically going to be the same thing repeatedly.
01:41:33
Speaker
That's what I said earlier. I miss the real writers, the the storytellers, and and you know but like yourself and and and several other people that I've had on here.
01:41:45
Speaker
Write about real life, your stories, you're you know what you're feeling. Who cares if you write 20 sappy songs and one like kick ass song, you know? Yeah. but What you're writing is real and people feel that and and they can relate to it.
01:42:01
Speaker
um gently You look back on, on singers like ah Johnny Cash or Willie Nelson and, or or George Jones.
01:42:12
Speaker
Yeah, you know. bured so those Some of those guys, they couldn't carry a tune in a fucking bucket, let's be honest. because But what they sang about was real. Yeah. you know And what they wrote about was was was real life and and David Allen Co.
01:42:29
Speaker
Love them or hate them, there's no in-between. But, man, that dude wrote some real-ass fucking song. Yeah, absolutely. stuff that's you know timeless right and talk about like timeless like those guys wrote stuff that was so genuine and real that we are able to sit here and talk about today still all these years later you know what i mean and that's something to be said about that like that authenticity will always shine shine through yeah you're talking about up church i do like up church one my one of my painting bosses uh my guy derrick angelo love you brother if you're watching uh you know
01:43:06
Speaker
Upchurch like one his favorite, favorite dudes, like his son and all his friends. He calls him the holler boys. Like I'm a holler boy. Like, but I'm like, and you know, he's, he broke away from the system. He's been offered boatloads of money, but he refuses to conform to what they want him to do, man. Sings his truth, does what he wants to do. Is he a little unorthodox from time to time? little bad shit crazy? Sure. But we all are. we just don't let everybody see it all the time.
01:43:31
Speaker
But no, he's the man. he died he He's built built something solely on what he wanted to do and is still doing it. So I'll tip my head that any day. Yeah, he definitely, he's not afraid to put his emotions out there and his crazy on
Fans' feedback and engagement
01:43:45
Speaker
display. But I'm fan of his music. and You may not like what he does in his personal life or or how he handles certain things or whatever, but I'm a fan of the music.
01:43:56
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Do what you're told her get the hell out of here. Old school.
01:44:06
Speaker
Hand says, your song, The End, is a hit. Oh, shit, man. I'm trying to remember how that would go. Now I know how it goes.
01:44:18
Speaker
It's nice. It's nice, too, because I've never got a compliment about that song. That's funny. i Will I will say shout out to my audience because they will when I got guests on they will jump in there and they they They'll listen to they they'll dive like I died right in and and they'll check out everything and I've even had people go, you know that song blah blah blah not so great and they're like I was 16 years old when I did that so About that so
01:44:51
Speaker
i've forgotten about that so So a that's a good one.
01:45:02
Speaker
Dude, you were, ah what I want to get here and get ready wrap this up, but man, you you were awesome. You're welcome back anytime. Likewise. You know, you're welcome back anytime.
01:45:14
Speaker
um Obviously keep in touch. You know, if you got new stuff coming out, I try to, I try my best. I know I, I know I'm, I'm terrible at it, but ah I try my best to keep my eyes on social media, what everybody's doing. And if I catch it and you're promoting something, I'll throw it up in our stories, whatever. But feel free to s send stuff my way. Like, hey, man, I got this new song coming out.
01:45:38
Speaker
Share it out. Let people know, whatever. um And definitely keep us all posted on where you're going to be at, what you're going to be doing. We're rolling into the season, man. I know spring and summer is it's big time for you guys to get out on the road and do your thing. So, you know, definitely keeping us up to date what you're where you're going to be at.
01:45:58
Speaker
We have listeners from not only all over the the the country, but all over the world that that tune in into our network here and and listen and and find people and follow people. So, you know, keep us up to date that way. And don't be a stranger. Like I said, anything we can do.
01:46:15
Speaker
Absolutely. I am going to be reaching out to a couple friends and sent hopefully hopefully they'll listen to me and send them your way. and We can get you a couple a couple opening gigs you know yeah to your schedule so you're not sitting at home twiddling your thumbs.
01:46:32
Speaker
Hell yeah. For real. Heck yeah. That's what I'm talking about. now i appreciate that.
01:46:43
Speaker
Hey, guys, jump on jump on Mark's social. Kayla, you got your Instagram here. And if you want to shout out all your social medias, go ahead, Mark.
01:46:54
Speaker
Let people know where they can find you. Yeah, mark Mark Mason Tunes on pretty much everything. you know I'd say my Instagram, I probably put the most stuff up on there. You can hear you know a lot of unreleased stuff that ah you know ah I like just singing and writing songs man so you know somehow pop up the camera and just share a little bit of it kind of see what people think of it but um yeah you know you can kind of get a little bit you know more of an idea kind of what i rock with and how i get down and hopefully it resonates with as you know as many as you as possible i mean that's that's the
01:47:33
Speaker
I got too many buttons over here. I need to get a producer that does all this stuff behind the scenes for me. man. Yeah, man.
01:47:44
Speaker
Go like it. Like, share, subscribe. not ah you know Obviously, not only to us, but to to Mark as well. And, you know, a like and a comment goes a long way. And it's it's the best way to support artists. If you like what they're doing, you like their music, a like, a comment, and a share.
01:48:03
Speaker
It's free and it goes a long way. It don't take one one one thing to to cause a chain reaction. so Yep, exactly. So this is this is the part of the show where I get to put you on the spot.
01:48:19
Speaker
That's fine. I'm always ready. say that now. I say that now. You say that now. I like sharing sub, y'all. Thank you, baby.
01:48:32
Speaker
Um, I always like to ask my guests before, before we get out of here, um, there's a final, a final of thought or a piece of advice that, uh, maybe, maybe there's a younger, kid out there that's like, oh, kicking around the idea of music, but they
Advice for aspiring musicians
01:48:49
Speaker
don't know if they're, if they have it, you know, uh, some advice that you would drop on them or a final thought. So if you don't mind.
01:48:57
Speaker
Yeah. I think, uh, I think the most important thing that you can do uh, is put in the work first and foremost, um, follow your passions, right. Fall in love with it. Fall in love with the process. Um,
01:49:12
Speaker
and and whatever that process may be. um You know, if you just if you just like playing guitar, if you like hitting the drums, if fucking you like playing the flute, harmonica, it doesn't matter, man. Just fall in love with it. And you'd be surprised where that love will will guide you and take you. Now with with love and in it, you know, that's one part of it. You got got to put the work in. um You know, there's no way around that. You know, there's no such thing as ah as an easy route, maybe for some, but if if you think it's going to happen you, it's not going to. It's just like, I think I might hit the lottery.
01:49:42
Speaker
Probably not pretty slim, eyes but what I can do to a hundred percent secure some money is work my fucking ass off. Right. And so just follow your passions, love what you do and, uh, and, and share like your experiences and your thoughts and and passions with as many people as possible. Cause you'd be surprised how many, other people's, you know, minds are like on the same exact wavelengths. Um,
01:50:08
Speaker
You know, you you can't you can't beat the hard work and and you can't beat love. You know what I mean? Like, no matter how you feel about it, just, and and try, right? Experiment. Be curious. that's That's the best piece of advice I got right there. Be curious.
01:50:23
Speaker
Try as much as you can and you'd be surprised what what ends up working for you. And if it starts working and you like it, keep doing it. and Just do it every single day. they'll Fill your life with it. And and only good things will come, 100%.
01:50:37
Speaker
Boom. Special teams touchdown right there, baby. okay Watch out. Got it and took off. but Funny enough, that was my first touchdown of my entire career was a kick return touchdown.
01:50:51
Speaker
that's what That's what we do. We get it and we run. Yeah, get it and run. Brother, I appreciate you, man. Best of luck to you. I can't wait to. I'm really looking forward to hopefully catching the show.
01:51:05
Speaker
I'm going to be keeping my eye out. It's something that Kayla, my girlfriend, and I, just you know we've talked about you know trying to catch as many artists as we possibly can. I yeah i initially gave myself a three-hour window. You're not three hours away. You're just right up the road a little bit. ah She bumped it out to four hours. I'm like, okay, we can do four hours. I don't like weekend road trips, you know what I mean? Yeah, hell yeah.
01:51:32
Speaker
but definitely looking forward to seeing you live. And, and, and like I said, I'll say it again, watching you grow, man. I, you know, I'll, I'll take my little, you know, my little seat here on this journey that you're on and, and, and watch it and and definitely enjoy it. You know?
01:51:47
Speaker
Yes, sir. Hey, my, my journey is our journey, my friend. That's how I look at it. So, you know, the way I look at it, you know, everybody eats, everybody eats, ain't no one going hungry. So we got to make sure, you know, we do right by everybody else that does right by us. And, and,
01:52:02
Speaker
it's It's a collective, 100%. Amen to that. You are welcome to hang out. I got to do my little spiel and my little rundown. If you want to run, feel free to run. You're absolutely welcome to.
01:52:14
Speaker
got to do my little spiel and my little closer here. But everybody, thanks for watching. Thanks for hanging out, man. If you're not already, like, share, and subscribe. Give us a follow. you know Tell a friend. Like Mark said earlier, I've said it before.
01:52:30
Speaker
You tell 10 people. Maybe three people will like it, but they those three people tell ten people. Three more people will like it, and so on and so on and so on. Those those first initial ten people turn into a thousand real quick.
01:52:44
Speaker
So, you know, not only give Mark a follow, give us follow. Tune in to the rest of the shows this week. Tomorrow night, the debut of Glick's Comedy Lounge. Again, Ego. I have Glick's House of Music. I have Glick's Drive-In, where i hang out with the movie and television. And now i have Glick's Comedy Lounge where I'll be hanging out with comedies. I got a very good friend of mine.
01:53:04
Speaker
um call him a brother. who've been we We've been doing this podcasting streaming journey together for about 10 years. He's now jumped into the world of stand-up comedy, and he's killing it. And I couldn't be happier for him, so why not start a show where I interview comedians and have one of my very best friends, Kevin Hawley, come on and hang out with me. So we'll be doing that tomorrow night. And then...
01:53:30
Speaker
Thursday, Wally and Johnny Bongs, AKA Fidel Bongs. He'll step away from being a dictator in a third world country to talk about animals, reptiles, and all that on Cold Blood and Conversations.
01:53:45
Speaker
Fridays are still up in the air. i don't know what's going on on Fridays. We'll figure that out as we figure that out. And then, of course, Saturday, we got Saturday afternoon. Mark, you're a big wrestling fan. Yeah.
01:53:57
Speaker
You check out my son and I do Cash's Corner every every other Saturday. And we talk all things wrestling. WWE mainly related. He's new to the world. So he's he's starting to dip his toes into the AEW and the TNA and whatnot. I've been a fan my whole life.
01:54:14
Speaker
um We'll say this, little spoiler alert. I definitely want to talk to him about this. And I want to talk to you guys about this. Last night, Monday Night Raw, Roman Reigns, CM Punk, 100% unscripted.
01:54:26
Speaker
unscripted off the rails with the promos that they cut on each other. Holy fuck. That was intense. Watch that. yeah Yeah. It was completely unscripted.
01:54:37
Speaker
I don't care what anybody says. That was wild. So Cash and I will definitely be talking about that. And then, of course, Saturday night, nonsensical nonsense. We kick the doors off the hinges. You assholes are welcome to come hang out with us on the panel.
01:54:52
Speaker
Six hours. Anything goes. Yes, we do a six-hour show every Saturday night. And then Sunday, Rick and I will be back. Unnecessary roughness. Talking all things sports. Or just sitting around bullshitting.
01:55:05
Speaker
Always doing a nice fuck Notre Dame every Sunday. Because why? Just fuck Notre Dame at the end of the bi on day. Notre Dame. Yep. And then we kick it all off again Monday.
01:55:15
Speaker
ah Back to back. Glick's driving. I got a very good friend of mine coming back this time, not as a musical guest, but as an actor and writer. And I think he's done a little directing. Roland Juette, he's done it all.
01:55:29
Speaker
And then Wally and the boys will be doing Speedway stories on Monday. So then we'll get into the rest of nick o next week. nice We'll get into the rest of next week later on as we go on.
01:55:42
Speaker
Again, mark you Mark, thank you so much. Welcome back anytime, brother. you happen to catch wrestling, you want to pull up on panel and talk a little wrestling? Let me know. you You can count me in anytime on that.
01:55:54
Speaker
Yeah, we'll we'll talk a little wrestling. I'm sure Cash will like that. he he's ah My son's 12. twelve He always gets excited. now he got He's got his own show, but he gets excited when some of the wrestling community will jump up and chat a little wrestling with us. so He gets to learn about some of the old school stuff. but With that being said, guys, we're out of here.
01:56:15
Speaker
Make sure you follow Mark. Make sure you follow us. And, brother, have a great night, man. I'm sure we'll be talking very soon. Yes, sir. You as well, my friend. Appreciate you again. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. going hit these buttons. And we're actually going to play your your brand new song on the way out of here.
01:56:30
Speaker
All right. Hey, hope you guys like it.
01:56:35
Speaker
I know a little bit about a little bit. I might know what I'm doing around here. Yes, sir.
01:56:56
Speaker
Something about that summer wind gets me going every time the joy in my ride. No better feeling in the world, baby, I don't lie.
01:57:10
Speaker
I don't think the stars in the sky can outshine the look that was in your eyes when we first met on that day. I just couldn't stay away.
01:57:23
Speaker
Went from a sneak in alley to setting up dates. Now we got a place to stay. Spent a couple hard times, couple long fights.
01:57:35
Speaker
But I want nobody else by my side. I want you and all you bring.
01:58:10
Speaker
I wasn't always on track. I think that that's safe to say. When met you, I didn't have a clue that you'd be my son.
01:58:39
Speaker
We're setting up dates now, we got a place to stay. Had a couple hard times, couple long fights, one that won't nobody else by my side.
01:59:46
Speaker
Miss Alabama