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The Avengers (live commentary)
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Our 50th podcast episode and first video episode! We watch The Avengers together and provide commentary as we go. Cue up the movie and watch along with us!
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Audible Promotion Introduction
00:00:00
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00:00:22
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What do they get with that? Tell me. They get one free audiobook of their choice and they get two free Audible Originals, which is special content that Audible makes available free for all its subscribers. Are you kidding me? That deal is so good I may go myself and sign them. Do you think they let you keep the books after you're done?
00:00:43
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No, you're not going to tell me they let you keep the books after you're done. Yes. In fact, you can go sign up for a trial and you can cancel before the trial ends and you get to keep the books you've already downloaded.
00:00:55
Speaker
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00:01:21
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Humorous Movie Scene Reading
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I'm bringing the party to you. I don't see how that's a party. Dr. Banner. Now might be a really good time for you to get angry. That's my secret, Captain. I'm always angry.
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Hold on!
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Send the rest. Guys? Call it, Captain. All right, listen up. Until we can close that portal, our priority is containment. Barton, I want you on that roof. Eyes on everything. Call out patterns and strays. Stark, you've got the perimeter. Anything gets more than three blocks out, you turn it back or you turn it to ash. Don't give me a lift. Right. Better clench up like a loss.
00:03:37
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Thor, you gotta try and bottleneck that portal. Slow him down. He got the lightning. Light the bastards up. You and me, we stay here on the ground. We keep the fighting here. And Hulk, smash.
Podcasting Journey & Weather Reflections
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Speaker
Welcome to the Superhero Cinephiles Podcast. I am half of your host, Perry Constantine. And I am the other half, Derek Ferguson, coming at you from Brooklyn, New York. And I'm coming at you from Kagoshima, Japan. And this is a first for both of us, as well as for people who are watching the show. Those of you who are listening to the podcast, you can't see, but we're doing video now.
00:04:21
Speaker
We thought our big 50th episode was a good time to try this out. And this is actually the first time Derek and I are looking at each other face to face. We were just saying that before we started all of this, that we said that we've known each other for a good at least 20 years. And this is actually the first time we've ever seen each other face to face. So folks, you are in the presence of a milestone. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. So how are you doing today, Derek?
00:04:48
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I'm doing quite well thank you very much I watched Avengers again for a second time today I watched it last night I watched it today and got some writing done because it actually snowed here oh really yeah yeah we had like uh
00:05:04
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what they call like a nor'easter. It was one of those crazy storms that like blew in for like 20 minutes and came out real intense. And then all of a sudden it just stopped and the sun came out and a half hour later, you would never even know that it snowed. Oh, wow. It was that kind of, yeah. Okay, so we had to get them here like that, yeah. It was crazy. We get that like once a year here. There's like one day a year, every year without fail when there's like, there's a bunch of snow and then it's gone by like midday.
00:05:34
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, we get that. Only one day a year. Only one day a year. And I can live with that. Yeah. As far as I'm concerned, the only time that it gets snow is Christmas Eve. There's no Christmas Eve, snow hanging around for Christmas Day. Then temperature goes up to 70 degrees, get rid of all the snow, and that's it. I don't have to look at it. If I had it my way. OK.
Live Commentary Plan: The Avengers
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All right, so just a few bits of news, because we got a big episode. We're watching the Avengers live and giving a commentary on it as we watch it. But just two things that I just saw. First is we were just talking that Tyler Hopeland's got a new suit for Superman and Lois.
00:06:17
Speaker
Yeah. And for those of you who've seen the suit, it's kind of like this, it's like a weird mix of Henry Cavill's suit and in some ways, Brandon Routh's suit from Superman Returns. It's got like the high neckline like in Superman Returns and the shield's a little bit smaller. Plus he's got like the little, it's not an actual, it's just the shape of the S shield on the belt.
00:06:41
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but no trunks and he's got the, and the rest of it, like the texture and everything is a lot like the Henry Cavill Superman suit. Like it's got that ribs kind of texture and it's like a darker blue. Yeah, which I liked. I liked the texture of that suit a whole lot, but I'm with you.
Tyler Hoechlin's Superman Suit Discussion
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I don't like that collar beat all up around his neck like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like the more, it gives him a more relaxed look, I think, when you get a wider, more open collar.
00:07:10
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It also makes more sense from a practical point of view because he's got to wear a shirt over it too. Yeah. So yeah, I don't like the high neckline. And I think the S shield is maybe a little bit too small. I'd like it to be a little bit bigger. It's not as small as Brandon Rouse was, but it's still a little smaller than I'd like. Well, as we discussed in our very first episode, Superman episode, I had seen the interview with Christopher Reeve.
00:07:35
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had said that the costume designers had told them they made it that big because it makes his chest look wider. And I said, oh, and I never thought about that. It's like, oh, why? So that's why I think that just for that reason, if nothing else, the SEO should be as wide as possible to cover the axis of the chest. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Something else, too, I noticed, and I didn't really notice this before with Oakland's last suit, but he had kind of like the thicker belt. And now that it's like this thinner belt, and it's
00:08:02
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and the it's more angled it actually makes him look bigger and more powerful like the bigger belt actually made him look smaller than he actually is yeah yeah because i was at the impression he was kind of short but i think he's kind of tall well i think it was also when you were looking at him in comparison to um brandon ralph who is taller than him yeah that was also uh that was a part of it as well yeah because brandon ralph is something like six one six two oh yeah yeah yeah i think he's something right yeah
Speculation on Daredevil in Spider-Man
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So that was one piece of news. The other piece of news is, and I don't wanna get my hopes up about this until I see an official press release, but it looks like Charlie Cox is coming back for a third Spider-Man movie, his Daredevil. You know what, I, how could I put this? It sounds to me like they trying to go for a live action into the Spider-Verse. That's what it seems like to me too. And I'm just afraid that they're gonna throw so many,
00:08:59
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My thinking, and this is purely my thinking, is that, okay, we've got Dr. Strange movie coming up, which is going to play with the multiverse. Yeah. And I'm wondering if this is going to be like the second half of that. I'm wondering that too. I think that's a good point. I think that might be right. And if they're doing their version of the flash point where they're going to restructure
00:09:22
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a lot of stuff and maybe bring in the Netflix MCU and firmly establish that this is a part of this new universe now. I'm wondering if that's in the back of my mind that they're going that way. Yeah. Well, something interesting about the Netflix MCU is you could easily incorporate that in because it was small scale enough that you could easily say that it fit in between the scenes. Agents of SHIELD is a little bit harder because they started messing with
00:09:49
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with time travel and they destroyed the earth at one point. So that becomes a little bit hard, bit of a hard pill as well. But I think the Netflix stuff, you could easily kind of squeeze in there.
00:10:01
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Oh yeah, yeah, no doubt. I mean, you know, because they made enough references in various TV shows that yeah, you can say, okay, well, this happened in between there.
Netflix MCU Characters in Main Universe
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And I believe in Daredevil, they did make specific references to events in the movie. Oh yeah, that was one of the things is, that was how Fisk became so powerful because you can't do it as the old Hell's Kitchen, right? Because like you said, when we talked about Ben Affleck's Daredevil,
00:10:27
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That's a version of Hell's Kitchen that hasn't existed in like 50 years. Oh, yeah, not since 1970s. Yeah. Yeah. So you can't do it with that way. So they kind of they did it in a really smart way where they kind of established that it was after the Battle of New York in Avengers that that everything was was, you know, basically leveled and then Fisk was coming in and building it all back up. Right. And that's how he made his money becoming a real estate. Yeah. Yeah. To me, it was a smart way to go because yes, you're still keeping that street level
00:10:56
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of the character and his world and his universe, but you acknowledging, okay, well, this is what happened. This did happen. We're not just going to say, oh, well, pretend it didn't happen. Yeah, it happened. And this is part of the fallout. Yeah. Yeah. So, and one of the theories has always been that because of the ending of far from home, you'd have Charlie Cox coming in as Daredevil or as Matt Murdock to represent Peter in court. Um,
00:11:22
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So you have that aspect of it, but also because like you said, this is coming after Dr. Strange and Dr. Strange is dealing with the multiverse and Scarlet Witch is going to be in that. So I'm kind of thinking it'll probably end on like a cliffhanger where Wanda screws something up and you know,
00:11:40
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kind of like opens the floodgates to the multiverse. And Dr. Strange has now got to go and like put the pieces back and put everything back in order. And like the first step of that is Spider-Man. My guess is that going to be, my guess is this, that when this is all shaken out and everything is said and done, we're going to get the vision back.
00:12:00
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and nobody's gonna remember that Peter Parker was Spider-Man. That's the way, I honestly think that that's where they're going with this multiverse thing and with introducing all these various Spider-Men and they're bringing back Alfred Molina. Yes, I saw that too. I saw this one, yeah. Electro, you know, they're bringing, so yeah, my thing is that, yeah, they're gonna say, okay, well,
00:12:24
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We're just gonna say because as you and I as long time comic book readers know magic fixes everything. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Magic fixes everything. So okay. That's what I'm thinking they're going to do and they're going to tinker around with a few things and then from then on that's going to be the MCU.
Beginning of Avengers Commentary
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Okay, all right, so today we're watching Avengers. We are watching it live as we're speaking to you guys. I mean, you're not watching this live, but we are watching it live. So we both watched it on our own, and now we've got it queued up. We're gonna have it playing on in the background on our screens. We got the audio muted, so you won't hear anything. And we're gonna do a live commentary of it as we watch.
00:13:07
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So feel free to watch along with us. So cue up your Disney Plus or your Amazon or your iTunes or your Blu-ray or whatever have you. And we're about to hit play, right? Whenever you are, you want to give them a minute or two to dig out their Blu-rays or the hell with them? Well, they can always hit pause. So hit pause and get it queued up because we're about to hit play right now. Ready? OK. OK. So three, two, one, and play.
00:13:38
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And we got the spinning Marvel logo. Nah, here we go. The Tesseract, the opening shot of the Tesseract. It's so weird when I think about this because this was, oh, the Paramount logo. Yeah, I forgot that Paramount was like partly distributed this. Yeah, they were to distribute this.
00:14:09
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And you know, it's so weird, like, I did not expect them to combine the tesseract with the cosmic, the space stone with the cosmic cube. Yeah, because that's basically what the tesseract is. Yeah, cosmic cube. Well, yeah, because it was introduced with the red skull. That was kind of what it was intended to be. And then you got the staff with the mind stone in it.
00:14:32
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Yeah, I didn't really know. And they got the Chitauri, which one of the things that kind of bugs me about this movie, or not this movie, but like everybody's reaction to it, is they say, Oh, it's an adaption adaptation of the Ultimates, because they use the Chitauri. But the Chitauri in this movie, they're really nothing like they were in the Ultimates.
00:14:52
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Nah. And we never really get to know them. I mean, they're your generic disposable bad guys. The only purpose that Tari serves in this movie is to have somebody for the Avengers to fight at the end of the movie. Really? That's all. Because the movie is about getting the Avengers together. Here's another
00:15:12
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what do you call Easter Egg, right? Project Pegasus from the comic books. Project Pegasus, yeah. Where the Squadron Supreme were based. And also it was the Quasar work there, right? Quasar worked there. I remember way back, there was a whole two in one. That's when the thing was in the book. It was a whole Project Pegasus saga.
00:15:33
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and Quasar guest starred and a whole bunch of other people guest starred because Project Pegasus was devoted to the study of alternative energy sources. Right, yeah. So it makes sense that they would take the tesseract in. It's a nice little easter egg as you said. For those of us that know, you know, because I watch that. Yep, Project Pegasus. Yeah, yeah. Okay, where else would they take it?
00:15:56
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And we got Colson, you know, just, you know, as cool and as laid back as ever. You know, he's just talking about all this crazy stuff, right? And they're like, you know, just evacuate. And he's just talking about it like he's ordering lunch, right?
00:16:08
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Yeah, but you know, that's one thing I love about these characters. You know, we got Nick Fury, we got Maria Hill, and we got Colson. And they act the way I like to see professionals act. Yeah, yeah. They're very calm. You know, they're not, you know, they're not losing. Like you said, they talk like they're ordering lunch. You know, they have the fate of the world in their hand every day. This is nothing new for them. Yeah. And we got Kobe Smulders. Kids, did I ever tell you about the time Aunt Robin was an agent for S.H.I.E.L.D.?
00:16:37
Speaker
I love them sets. These sets are amazing. You know, it's still, you know, it's, it's still kind of seems unbelievable. They got a guy like Stellan Skarsgard in this movie. Yeah. So I mean, this guy is like, I mean, you're thinking of him. It's like Max Von Sydow. Yeah, yeah. He's the closest thing we can do in Max Von Sydow now. He also played the same role that Max Von Sydow made famous, right? He played the younger version of, of the ex, in The Exorcist.
00:17:06
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Yeah, yeah, he did. He played father, he played the young father, Marin. Although funny enough, he was actually older than Max von Sitto was at the time that he played father, Marin. But once again, and I know we always go back to this, folks, and I'm going to keep on harping on it. So you might as well get used to it. It's the casting in these movies. Yeah, yeah.
00:17:27
Speaker
Another good example right here, Jeremy Renner, is Hawkeye. As Hawkeye. He's very subdued in this movie. He doesn't get a lot to do. A lot of people, they didn't like him in this movie, but I think he's got these brief little moments and they hint at what will see more of him going forward.
00:17:43
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But if you notice, here's the scene, I love this scene. He's the guy that figures this out because all these scientists and he says, well, you know, nothing's happening from this side. And what do you mean this? He said, well, it's a doorway, right? He said, well, doors open both ways. He's the guy that figures it out. Not all these highfalutin scientists, not Nick Fury, it's Hawkeye. Well, it's what he said too, before, you know, I see better from a distance.
00:18:08
Speaker
Right. Because he's sitting up, you know, up in his perch or whatever like that. And he can see everything. It's a metaphor for him seeing the big picture. Yeah. Him sitting up and seeing everything. And that's been like his that's been kind of his role throughout all these movies. Like that was his role in in Age of Ultron. Like he's the first one who saw that there was potential in Wanda and Pietro. He's like, look, they just need someone to, you know, beat the shit out of them and show them what's what.
00:18:37
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Well, you know what? And also that goes right in hand with him being a sharpshooter. He can see things before other people can. We got the man, we got Loki now.
00:18:53
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And one thing I love about this movie is that, just like in the comic books, it's Loki that's responsible for bringing the Avengers together. Yeah. And that's always been a pain in Loki's ass, that he was the one responsible for the Avengers.
00:19:10
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And I just love how, again, you know, the professionals, if you're just like, sir, please put down the spear. Yeah, he's very nice and very, sir. He says, sir, please put it down. Now, I know a lot of people have problems with this scene. They said, oh, well, Loki's not a fighter. Well, of course he is. He's an Asgardian. He knows, he's been to wars. He knows how to fight. It's just that that's not his preferred method. Right. Loki chooses not to fight. It's not that he can't fight. Exactly. But I know people,
00:19:39
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Well, he's thrown down with Thor many times in the comics. Like, they've gone at it in the comics many times. Sounds like he never fights. He's not like the Joker who is a shitty fighter. Yeah, Loki's not afraid to go toe to toe. Yeah. Like you said, he's done it. It's just that's not his preferred method. Right. Yeah. Of fighting. But yeah, I know people that say, oh, that's out of character. Well, no, it's not. If you've read the comics, you know, you know, no, it's not out of character.
00:20:05
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And especially not for the Loki we get in this movie, who's a little bit harder.
Loki's Character Discussion
00:20:10
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You know, this is after the events with Thor where he got thrown off for the rainbow bridge. So he's a little bit, you know.
00:20:17
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you can see that he's got like the dark bags up under his eyes and everything like that. Yeah. So this is a little kid is a little bit more pissed off than what we've seen before. You know, I was kind of, I was, when I was watching this, I was wondering, cause you know, he's using the Mind Stone all over the place. I was wondering if maybe Thanos is exerting some influence over him with the Mind Stone, which kind of explains why he's so much harder in this movie and you know, so much more ruthless than he's been in the movies following it.
00:20:45
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But it also explains why Thanos would give him such a powerful weapon. And not be afraid that he would turn it on him or go off on his own. By giving it to him, Thanos himself is also exerting some measure of control over him to make sure he's going to do what he wants done.
00:21:05
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I also like, and we were talking in the past about villains where you can kind of understand what they got a point and, you know, Loki has kind of got a point about, you know, humanity and freedom being like this great big wide and, you know, that humans crave subjugation. He's actually got a point about that. Like what we're watching this, I'm like, that actually kind of makes sense. Yeah, you know what, Loki's always had a point.
00:21:31
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because who doesn't feel like a rejected child at times? And really, that's what Loki is. He's a rejected child. Right, yeah. I mean, he was rejected by Laufey and then, you know, he was overshadowed by Thor. So yeah, he's got a big chip on his shoulder because of that.
00:21:48
Speaker
Yeah, cause he's always, cause, and then of course now he grows up and he finds out, well, I'm really not an Asgardian. I'm a frost giant, which really isn't such a bad thing because well, you could go be king of the frost giants, but he doesn't see it that way. You know, poor guy. So I mean, yeah, but I, but you know what? I get Loki, I get Loki, you know, which is why I guess I like him so much as a villain.
00:22:14
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because yeah, you know, who does, like I said, who does it that sometime in their life have felt rejected? And that's what he is. He's a rejected child. You know, Loki never did much for me in the comics, but I do love him in the movies. In the comics, he pretty much was just, just an asshole. He was just off for no reason, for no reason. Yeah. But again, here in the movie, they give him motivation. Yes. Yeah.
00:22:39
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you know, to be the way he is, which is why, and like I've always said, I've said this numerous times and I'll keep on saying it. Give me a villain with a motivation that I can understand and I'm with you.
Maria Hill's Combat Abilities
00:22:50
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We talked about Killmonger, one of the best villains that they created in the MCU. Yeah, you know what? Yeah, the guy, you know what? At the end of the day, if you're being honest with yourself, you sit down and say, you know what? The guy's got a point. I may not like what he does, but I understand why he's doing it. I like that they show Hill getting in some of the action here, because otherwise it would have given the perception that she's kind of like Fury's secretary. But here, you know, she's like, you know, she's driving the car. She's spinning out in front of him and shooting through the glass.
00:23:20
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Yeah. I like they gave her those little bits of action to do here. Maria Hill deserves her own movie, I think. Oh, yeah, yeah. I really would love to see her and the Black Widow and the Scarlet Witch. Put the three of them in a movie together. Oh, that would be awesome. Send them off on a mission. Yeah. And there goes Project Pegasus. There it goes, called Bluey.
00:23:44
Speaker
But everybody, Fury got away, Colson got away, Loki got away with the Tesseract. See, this is what I'm talking about when... Okay, whenever people ask me why I love these movies so much, I say, you know something? Okay, there's the characters, there's the story, but it's also the spectacle. Yes, yeah. You know, this is...
00:24:10
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Yeah, this is spectacle. This is stuff that I, when I was reading comic books, I said, well, I'm never gonna see this on the big screen. And now I am, I'm seeing it on the big screen. Well, and this is kind of a great payoff, that moment when Colson's in the helicopter and he's looking surprised, that's the first time we've ever really seen that kind of look from him. Like even when he was facing down the destroyer, he's very calm and he's like, right, the destroyer appears, everyone else is shocked. It's like, is that one of the stars? Like, and Colson's just very calm, he's like, I don't know, the guy never tells me anything.
00:24:39
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And then when the Destroyer starts powering up, Coulson's just like, okay, here we go. Here he looks surprised. He looks like the shit, he's scared shitless in this. Well, for the first time, this is something that they've really never been up against. Even Fury, because at this point Fury says, well, you know what? At this moment, we're at war.
00:24:59
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So if Fury's the type of guy that, okay, Hill and Colson, they look to him, they don't get worried until they see he's worried. Yeah, yeah. Then they say, okay, well, Nick Fury's worried, I'm scared shitless. And I like that when Fury says right now we're at war and Colson takes that moment, then he's like, okay, what do we do now? And he composes himself and he's right back into business mode.
00:25:23
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Which makes him one of the best right hand man. Yeah. Yeah. You know, cause yeah. Okay. Well, what do you need from me, boss? Yeah. You know what he need me to do? You know, he's right there. Which is no secret, which is no secret. You know what? You understand why when Nick Fury, when he went off on this walkabout or whatever, he put Colson in charge of shield. Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:47
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Uh, now we got the black widow. One of the best scenes in the movie. Yeah. And you know, I wasn't expecting, because after Iron Man two, I wasn't expecting them to use her Russian background at all. So I really liked that they worked that in here. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, by all rights, we should have had about three or four black widow movies by now. Oh yeah. Yeah. Fuck Ike Perlmutter. He was the one who stopped that from happening.
00:26:14
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You know, and whenever people always talk about, oh, well, James Bond should be a woman. I said, no, shouldn't, we've got the Black Widow. Yeah, you don't need Black Widow to change Bob's ass. You don't need a female James Bond, you got the Black Widow. Yeah, you got the Black Widow, you know? And now we've got a movie coming out that's still delayed. Yes.
00:26:34
Speaker
You know, but really, I mean, they, Scarlett Johansson, well, you know what? I'm sure she got paid a shitload of money to do all the movies. But really, actually, she should have had a Black Widow movie right after Iron Man 2. She should have, yeah. Or at least after Iron Man 3. But she should have had something before Avengers 2.
00:26:56
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Yeah, we should have to, we should, by now we should be on our third or fourth Black Widow movie. Oh, definitely. Oh, I love this part. They're just calling it casual. Oh, cool, yeah. It's for her. It's for her. And the guy gives it to her, you say, you know what? Give it to her, you know? I mean, what else are they gonna do? And it calls it, right? He's like, we have an F-22 exactly eight miles out. Put the woman on the phone or I'll blow up the whole block. Yeah, I'll blow up the block before you get to the lobby.
00:27:29
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And like I said, these are professionals. You know, culture talks very calmly. Yeah. I've been in the middle of an interrogation. He's giving me everything. Yeah, she says I'm working. What are you doing? I'm working. You know, and this is what I love about this. She's the one in control, not them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, that's her whole attitude. Oh, I'm conducting this interrogation. Here we go.
00:27:57
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And let the ass kicking commence. Boom. Oh, I felt that. And Colson just, he knows what's going on. He's just waiting. Okay. This will take about a minute. She won't be long. Damn. And the leg thing. Oh man. I love when she does that.
00:28:26
Speaker
That seems to be the signature move now for all females in action movies. Yeah, she really kind of started it, yeah. Yeah, she started it, but after she did it, now you see it like, I saw it, what was that movie with Charlize Theron? Oh, Atomic Blonde? Atomic Blonde, yeah, you know. And just about every action movie I see now with a female, I was watching Peppermint last night with, what's her name?
00:28:54
Speaker
the girl from Malia's. Oh, Jennifer Garner. Yeah, she did that. Oh, okay. She's doing the action again, then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was an action movie. Patricia and I were watching it last night. It was pretty good. It was not. Okay. It was updated 70s action movie. Oh, okay. This is a movie that you would have seen, R. Schwarzenegger or Sylvester Stallone or Bruce Willison back in the 80s. Yeah. Oh, right, right, right. I got you.
00:29:23
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And here we go. We had a family is wiped out by drug dealers and the sole survivor, they go on a roaring ramp road of rampaging revenge. Except in this case, it's a woman, not a man. Yeah. And here we go. We're at the new Bruce Banner, Mark Ruffalo.
Mark Ruffalo as Bruce Banner
00:29:40
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Mark Ruffalo.
00:29:44
Speaker
And Mark Ruffalo, for those of you listening and watching this, hopefully there's a whole lot of you, pay close attention to Mark Ruffalo's performance in this movie. Because as we said before, we were doing the Hulk. There's a lot of things that he does in here to provide continuity. But with the two previous actors that have played Bruce Banner. Yeah. And you can see it. The little things he does, the little things he says, his body language, you can see that this is the same guy.
00:30:14
Speaker
It's not like he says, well, I'm going to put my totally different spin on this character. And he's just, you know, I kind of see the hints of the blossoming romance between them and Age of Ultron. We watch this. I kind of see those hints here and there.
00:30:38
Speaker
And if you had told me before watching this that, yeah, well, the Black Widow and Bruce Banner are going to fall in love. Listen, get out of here. But these two actors are good enough that they sell that. Right.
00:30:53
Speaker
We see the mutual respect right from the beginning, you know, even though she kind of lies to him because he says, oh yeah, well I came alone. Well, of course she didn't come alone. She didn't come alone. And I like this too, when she says that, you know, he says, you know, how did shield find me? She says, we never lost you. Yeah. I like that. And just like, you know, we just, we kept some other people off your trail. We kept our distance and you know, Nick Fury seems to trust you.
00:31:19
Speaker
Of course, because of your shield. Yeah. And Nick Fury would not have no way of knowing where the Hulk is just in case he needed it, like he does now. Yeah. Of course he's going to keep track of him.
00:31:34
Speaker
One thing that we're gonna see as we continue all throughout this movie, which is what I love so much about this movie, is that for an action movie, it's not afraid of slowing down and having moments like this where it's just characters talking. We're gonna see that in the great scene coming up a little later on, where Loki and Thor, they have a conversation. You know, we had,
00:32:03
Speaker
The one with, you know, Tony Stark, and he's talking to Pepper. Also with him and Banner when they're talking too. And him and Banner, right. You know, there's these moments where the director is not afraid to slow down the action and say, okay, let's let these characters be characters. I love this part here. He freaks out, he thinks he's about to change like, oh, I'm sorry, that was me.
00:32:27
Speaker
And he did that shit on purpose. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was just testing her. He said, oh, I just want to see what you were going to do. Yeah, yeah. The other guy doesn't make a mess. And look at her. I love her. You can tell that this is the only thing that really scares her is the Hulk. You should. Yeah.
00:32:52
Speaker
but this is a foreshadowing to a later scene that we're gonna see. The one that's on the Ontario, yeah. And Powers Booth. Now, who's that next to him? Is that Helen Mirren? I don't think so, but I don't think it is. I never heard about Helen Mirren being in this movie. I know that woman next to him. She's a British actress.
00:33:15
Speaker
Yeah, I know I've seen it before. Yeah, Powers Booth, I caught the voice. But every time I watch this movie, I always say, oh, I got to watch the credits to see the woman that's on. Yeah, I don't think I don't think they're credited. Like, I don't think Powers Booth was credited in this. No, they're not. Because I look. Yeah. Yeah, you got to check IMDB and see what what the uncredited people are. Yeah.
00:33:39
Speaker
Now this, you know, this kind of plays with the continuity because Iron Man 2 established that and Incredible Hulk, they both established that the Avengers Initiative was being set up. Thunderbolt Ross was supposed to be involved. They wanted Stark as an advisor, but they didn't want him as Iron Man. And so they kind of like throw all that out because Whedon didn't like that set up and he wanted to go with his own thing.
00:34:01
Speaker
Right. So it's kind of like a nice little way they find to do that. And it also works because it gets the Avengers out from under shield right from the jump. And I love the transition to you, right? He says, you know, she says Warren's won by sentiment. He says, no, it's won by soldiers. And then they cut to Captain America. Then they cut to Captain America, who is, of course, the ultimate soldier. He's the Super Soldier. So, hey, you want to fight a war? Who do you get? You get the Super Soldier. You know, right out of the ice in this movie.
00:34:32
Speaker
You know, he's just woken up as we saw at the end of First Avenger. We talked about that, you know, almost a year ago now. Yeah. Wow. I love, I love, I love this boxing saying. Yeah. Yeah. And he knows it's going to happen, right? Because he goes and he's got a whole line of bags waiting. He's going to turn. Here we go. And he's got a whole row of bags. He's the Dr. Pieces. Oh man.
00:35:02
Speaker
And of course, I should point out for you ladies that are watching and listening. Yes, I am impressed with his muscular. Oh, yeah. Chris Evans, man, he is he's definitely jacked up for this role. Yeah, he pumped up for this movie. Because I was watching Fantastic Four not too long ago, just as a comparison. And, you know, he was pretty built, but nothing like he is here. No, no, nothing like this.
00:35:27
Speaker
Which kind of, it did kind of surprise me when, you know, we saw him as Cap. I'm like, cause I, cause I, you know, I was like, well, he's, you know, he's a tone guy, but he's not like Captain America buff. And then you see him at first Avenger when the, when the chamber opens up and you see him after he's gotten the treatments, like, holy crap. Bingo. Even, you know, even, uh, wasn't a Haley Atwell was surprised when she like reaches out to touch him. In a very nice way, she was a surprise. She said, I didn't know it was going to work that good.
00:35:59
Speaker
But I like the fact that he's built, but he's not. And I know people talk about, wow, Captain America, he should be real jacked. He should be. I said, no, he's not because his super strength does not depend on his musculature. It's the super soldier serum and the treat, the viterate treatment. That's where the super strength comes from, you know?
00:36:19
Speaker
You don't need people, you don't need these guys to be impossibly jacked. Like I don't, I never understood no. It makes sense for the Hulk, right? The Hulk juggernaut, yeah, sure. But everyone else, you know, they can have him as human proportions.
00:36:30
Speaker
Yeah, it's like when, cause I know people were complaining about what's her name, Gal Gadot. Oh yeah. She's too skinny to play Wonder Woman. I said, if you go back and you look at Linda Carter, you see that she's not much more bigger than her. Yeah. Oh, here's another one, right? Another good example of the transition when he says you should have left in the ocean and they cut to Tony in the ocean. In the ocean. Which was the last place we saw Howard Stark. I swear this looks like a comic book panel. Yeah.
00:37:02
Speaker
I could swear I've seen that in a comic book somewhere. But yeah, because Steve had just said when Fury asked him, well, is there anything else you should tell us about the Tesseract? And he said, yeah, you should have left it in the ocean. And bam, like you said, we cut to the ocean. Here we go, Stark Tower.
00:37:29
Speaker
I just love the interaction between him and Gwyneth Paltrow. Like we talked about in our last episode. It's another example of just perfect casting, like getting those two together. And I love his cockiness, right? He's like, it's like Christmas, but more me.
00:37:45
Speaker
this is actually it's kind of funny we think about it because this is the first time we've seen Tony in New York because in the in the Iron Man movies he was in he was out on the west coast yeah yeah he's based in Malibu California yeah which we didn't you know we didn't talk about but his house in that movie man I when I was rewatching Iron Man I'm like man I want his house tell me about it now I love this too how the
00:38:09
Speaker
Cause you know, in the first two movies, like it's this whole rig, but here it's just like, it's all mobile. So he's walking and just very casually. And then the armors being taken off piece by piece. I love that. And visually it's more dynamic, more energetic. They're just seeing him just take it off. Exactly. Yeah. You know, he's talking and he's getting information and the story is moving.
00:38:34
Speaker
And he's also moving. That's one of the things I tell people about film when they say, oh, well, how come they did it this way? How come they did it? Because it's film. Film is visual. So things happening. And so you get to see the armor being deconstructed. And of course, it gives us the chance to say, wow, this Tony Strong guy is really smart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, I love this banter between them, right? Give yourself some credit. Give yourself 12%.
00:39:02
Speaker
And again, this is another moment where the characters are allowed to be characters. The action is slowing down a bit. We're just having two people talking. That's all it is. Something else too about this scene is that Pepper is one of the only people who can call Tony on his shit. Oh, absolutely. It's Pepper and it's Rodi. They're like the only people who can call Tony on his shit. And he'll listen.
00:39:30
Speaker
I live in the left model decoy crack too, right? Yeah, yeah. Oh, Phil. His first name is Agent. I know. And Tony said, wait a minute. How do you know it first? You know, it's like you know it first. Since when you guys got to be on such good terms that you know it's fun. Yeah. I like they brought back his whole, you know, I don't like to be handed things. Yeah.
00:39:55
Speaker
which takes you from her. And also in, in Iron Man, when, when Rody presents him with the award, right? He accepts it from Rody. So it's like, those are the only people he trusts enough to accept things being added from. That I did know.
00:40:18
Speaker
I love how her and Colson have developed a friendship between the scenes. Yeah, they're buddy-buddy, you know? Yeah, yeah. You know what? It's something that we didn't have to see. Again, they're good enough actors that we get the implication that, you know, during the whole thing, because she said that she knows about the Avengers initiative. Yeah, yeah. Which I'm not supposed to know about, but you know. I love his petty jealousy. He's like, why is he Phil? Yeah, Phil.
00:40:49
Speaker
You have homework, you have a lot of homework. A lot of homework. Yeah, I like that they brought in back the, because those, on those screens, those are, you know, scenes from the last movies. Yeah. And we even got Incredible Hulk in there. So that's another, that's another small thing that shows that it is, yes, it is part of the MCU. Yeah, the Hulk was somewhere there on the right hand, on the left screen, he was on like the right hand side. But yeah, it's all these little callbacks and everything like that.
00:41:19
Speaker
that we get to see that toil, and there's the tesseract. Yeah. Oh, and here, you know, I want to see about the cellist, right? And she moved back to Portland. Like, I like that they set that up and show that, you know, yeah, Colson's got a personal life. Yeah. Oh, this is another great scene when Colson and Cap are meeting. Yeah, again.
00:41:39
Speaker
Another scene, two characters, just interacting, just talking. The movie actually takes the time to set up a lot of relationships and have people get to know each other in this movie, which is one where, yeah, okay, I dig the spectacle, I dig the fight scenes, everything like that. But what really turns me on, like I said, is that the characters have time to talk and get to know each other and be characters.
00:42:06
Speaker
I love that too, like, you know, Steve not getting any of the references. And also Colson, like just, you know, turning into like a fanboy. It's such a, it's so much fun seeing him in this way where he's so like tripping over himself and, you know, it shows what a great actor Clark Gregg is. Cause he does this and it's so seamless. Like the way he switches between these different modes and it all just feels completely natural.
00:42:35
Speaker
We've never seen Colson like totally geek out before. He's always been so in control and so reserved and so calm. But now it's like, oh, you're Captain America. Oh my God, I love you. I love you. I love you. Will you be my best friend? Yeah.
00:42:54
Speaker
Yeah, it's interesting. Like, you know, it's another side to the character. And like I said, the movie is not afraid to let us see that. And a lot of that is due to to Whedon's writing, like his, you know, he really helped round off Colson and make him like a more fully developed character in this movie. And also, you know, the cellist thing, it was nice. I was glad they picked that up on Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. because they had Amy Acker play that character. Yeah.
00:43:23
Speaker
Oh, we got Loki getting ready to go into his trance. Oh, and speaking of Weed Inverse alumni, we've got the other who, do you know who plays him?
Loki, Thanos, and Fear
00:43:33
Speaker
Who? Alexis Denizoff.
00:43:37
Speaker
Oh, that's right. From what you call the Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Yeah, an angel. Yeah. Wesley. Wesley. And that's another example of a guy who was such a good actor, because his voice is just off the hook in this. And it's like movements. I did not know that was Alexis Denizoff until afterwards I saw articles about it. He's an alien that truly does move and act and speak like an alien.
00:44:01
Speaker
You know, Denizov is another one of those actors just really underrated. Like he was, I didn't really like him too much on Buffy, but when he came on Angel and they did so much with this character and he changed so much and, but you just buy it. It makes total sense.
00:44:15
Speaker
Yeah, I like to mourn Angel, too. Well, you know what? And I know some people out there is going to hate me for this, everything like that. But over the years, I've come to believe, and I think that you have this opinion, you've always had this opinion. Angel is a better show than Buffy. Oh, definitely. Yeah. Yeah, I like it. You know what?
00:44:33
Speaker
I re-watched both series a couple of years back and I said, you know something? I think I like Angel more than Buffy. Well, Angel is pretty strong consistently throughout. It's only the fourth season that's kind of lackluster, but otherwise it's pretty consistent. And it also ended on a great note. That fifth season was amazing. It was the best season of the show.
00:44:54
Speaker
Not many shows can say that their last season was the best season. Was the best one exactly, yeah. More often it's a case of, okay, well, can we finally just get this over with already? Yeah, like Dexter. But no, it was like, they was like, getting really ramped up, you know, and wow, yeah. But yeah, that's, I said, yeah, I like Angel better. Oh, I like this too, how you see like, Loki is afraid of Thanos.
00:45:20
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. And also, like you're talking about with New Mutants now, they made it obvious that she wasn't working for Professor X. They find a way to do it. Like, you know, Loki is working for someone, but, you know, watching this movie, you would not necessarily know it was Thanos.
00:45:37
Speaker
No, no, no, nonetheless, you know, you were, you know, people like you and I who are familiar with what's going on. Because that's, I said, yeah, well, that's standard. I like how they always have them shots of those staircase, that floating staircase going. But it just seems like just when it's about ready to get to the top, it cuts to something else. Yeah, yeah. Well, also,
00:45:56
Speaker
Like I was spoiled because someone spoiled it because I had to wait before I could see this movie right away and someone spoilt on the internet, you know, fucker spoiled the Thanos reveal. So I knew it was Thanos going in. Yeah, but you know what I did see the some other people like you know, I think Van Plasko was actually surprised when it was Thanos at the end. That's not hard. It's not hard to surprise man.
00:46:23
Speaker
That guy, nah, it's not hard to surprise. I like this, they establish, you know, the trust and the relationship between Banner and Cap right from the start, right? You know, Banner's like, is that the only word about me? And Cap's like, it's the only thing I care about. Yeah.
00:46:38
Speaker
Now this was a huge nerd moment for me. I'm like, when I saw this happen, I'm like, oh my God, are they actually gonna do it? Cuz I did not expect to see the helicarrier. I stood up and cheered when I said, well, when they first landed on it and I saw, they landed right on the shield logo. I said, my God, that couldn't be the helicarrier, could it? And sure enough, bam, it is.
00:47:02
Speaker
We're a big step up from the the helicarrier in Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. in this. Oh, yeah. Well, they had more money. Oh, yeah. S.H.I.E.L.D. got a bigger budget. I mean, this is I mean, this is more like I mean, it's just watching this like even I've seen this movie. I don't even know how many times like this scene is just still so amazing. Oh, man. Are you kidding me?
00:47:31
Speaker
It's awe-inspiring to see something like that that you've read in comics for so many years. There's no way they're ever going to put that on screen. Yes. Look at this. Yeah. See, this is more like the bridge of the Starship Enterprise or Battlestar Galactica than the one we saw in the David Hasselhoff movie. Oh, yeah.
00:47:52
Speaker
which actually, though, looked a lot more realistic. Well, it made sense, because like we talked about in that movie, because, you know, we're talking about a shield that's been kind of like, you know, a relic of the Cold War at that point. So right, it's kind of like, you know, broken down, you know, so like, it did kind of work for the field that movie was going for.
00:48:16
Speaker
But of course, for a movie on this scale, this works just as well. Right. Because SHIELD isn't on its last legs here in this movie like it was in that one. It's a very different type of SHIELD we're looking at here. Oh, yeah. And also, I love that the retro-reflective panels, so they can basically be invisible.
00:48:34
Speaker
I love this part. Yeah. Where before? Oh, yeah. He's like, 10 bucks says you're wrong. Captain doesn't say a word. He doesn't say a word. He just takes out the money and hands it off to him. OK, you got this word, bro. It puts his hands in the pocket to keep walking. Even Hill, she's looking at Steve and she's like, holy shit, this is Captain America. Yeah.
00:48:58
Speaker
And I love that. Banner's still very suspicious here, but they're still just kind of...
00:49:05
Speaker
And again, Steve just looks totally shocked. He's like, what the hell is going on here? What is this stuff? But going back to Banner, one thing about him that I think you can see plainly he's more intrigued, I think, than anything else. He fully expects that Nick Fury isn't going to keep his word when he says, OK, when this is over, you win the win. He doesn't really think that, I don't believe. But he's willing to play along for a while just to see what's going on, because he's intrigued.
00:49:30
Speaker
Also, I like the, they didn't give them the purple pants, but they gave them a purple shirt instead. Purple shirt, yeah. I like that.
00:49:38
Speaker
Oh, back to Seldig. And you know, I love how they're mind controlled, but they're still like having these conversations. And apparently they have a good time on the being. Yeah. You know, they're not like walking around like zombies, like, yes, master. Oh, no, they're cracking jokes and they're making plans and everything like that. So he's like, hey, he's like, he's like, as if they're buddies.
00:50:02
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, apparently being mind controlled by Loki is not such a bad thing. Well, it's almost like, you know, it's I get like kind of a cult mentality from Selding, at least. Yeah. Right. It's kind of like he's in a cult. Yeah. And it makes more sense that way than like the zombie type of brainwashing, because you need the guy to still be able to to do his shit. Well, and also because you got the hint from. Oh, I love the trading cards.
00:50:31
Speaker
It's a vintage set. He's just. Yeah. He's still going on about the training. Captain America is looking around and saying, Oh my God. He's just like, you can tell like Steve's really uncomfortable being here, but he wants to be polite. Yeah. Like he, he really feels out of his element now. You know, you can tell by the body language, he's like kind of stiff and everything like that.
00:50:53
Speaker
And there's the MCU's version of Jasper Sitwell, too. Yep, there we go. And in the Iron Man movies, and the movie's up until this one, Colson was basically very much Jasper Sitwell. But I think this movie is really where they establish his own personality. I can agree with that. Yes, I can. I'll go along with that.
00:51:16
Speaker
Cuz you know what, as a matter of fact, pretty much this is when I started thinking of him, okay, well that's Phil Colson, he's his own guy. He's just not a clone of Jasper Sitwell. They give Caps uniform its own special case in the armory.
00:51:35
Speaker
What was I going to say a minute? Yeah, I was just going to say with the Professor Solvig, we saw in Thor that he does have an affinity for the Norse gods and everything like that because he had a book and he was explaining to Natalie Portman and everything like that about the Norse legends and everything like that. Well, because he grew up with them. That was his thing. There was the stories that I grew up with.
00:51:56
Speaker
that's part of his culture and heritage so trying to make sense that he would be very susceptible to mind control you know by Loki anyway because he's so familiar with him um Hawkeye I don't know maybe it's some underlying resentment he has with S.H.I.E.L that allowed him to be taken over so quickly because he didn't put up any fight at all he did Loki touched him he said okay
00:52:19
Speaker
I'm down. Let's go. Now here's Loki again getting his hands dirty. I love just like him walking around in the suit with the with the green scarf. That's a bad suit. Yeah, that's awesome, man. That's a bad ass. And you just you just swinging it like it's the it's the ultimate badass walking kick stick. Whoops. Oh, and it's just like, you know, he's got this smile on his face and everybody's freaking out and running away.
00:52:47
Speaker
I like his hair in this movie. Yeah, I was thinking that too. I like his hair. It's almost like...
00:52:56
Speaker
Raven's wings. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I never even considered that. Which makes me think of Odin, who had the two Ravens on his shoulders. So when I see them, you know, it's kind of like, I said, I wonder if that was deliberate or am I just reading too much into it? Probably me reading too much into it. But that was the thought I had, that it's almost like the effect he's got two Ravens sitting on his shoulders with that effect with the hair. Yeah.
00:53:22
Speaker
If there is any fashion, if there are any hairdressers out there that listen to this, you know, let me know. Derek Ferguson at gmail.com. Yeah, let us know if you worked on, if you worked on Hiddleston's hair, let us know if that was the intent. Yeah, yeah. This is, this is one of the, this is one of the signature moments in the entire MCU that's coming up right now. Yes.
00:53:50
Speaker
with that one old guy. Yes, yeah. And again, he's making some accurate critiques about humanity here, right? You crave subjugation. And in the end, you always kneel. Well, listen, we spent a whole good portion of human civilization trying to subjugate each other. So you can't say he's not wrong. And we still are.
00:54:18
Speaker
Yeah, we just do it through electronic means now with the internet. And there are some people who are very happy with that. I mean, look at the last four years. I've never seen people so excited to be ruled by a fascist. Oh, here he goes. Yes. And this guy's been in a ton of movies and stuff like that. I was glad to see he got this. Oh, OK. I knew he looked familiar.
00:54:41
Speaker
There are always men like you. Oh, I love it where they say, oh, there's no men like me. He said, yeah, there's always men like you. Oh, but yeah, but you know, there's one thing, if there's one thing I've learned about people, my friend, is that there's a shitload of people on this planet that are very comfortable with letting other people do their thinking for them. Believe it or not, a lot of people don't want to think for themselves. They really don't. Yeah.
00:55:09
Speaker
I love that too. You know, he just comes in, he blocks the blast and he's just very calm about it, right? He's like, you know, last time I was in Germany. It was another guy. Yeah. Now, there's one criticism I have here of this movie. It's I do not like Cap's suit in this movie. No, I do not. Like, it's just, it's too, it's too spandexy.
00:55:37
Speaker
It's too comic booky. Yeah, yeah. And that's why I'm glad they kind of made it a little bit more of a modernized version of the military uniform in Civil War and Age of Ultron. But remember that when they were on the jet going to the helicopter,
00:55:53
Speaker
Phil Colson said- He said I have some desire for him. You can put it into, you know, so this is what Phil Colson came up with. Yeah. I also love that, you know, Stark comes out, he takes over the PA system so we can start blasting ACDC through it. And there he is, Iron Man. Make a move, Reindeer Games. We got the big two.
00:56:21
Speaker
I love that just the casual introduction, Mr. Stark, Captain. But yeah, that's what I was with you on the suit until I realized like the second or third time that I see it. And I picked up that line for Colson. I said, OK, well, that's why it looks like that, because Colson does not. And he did it based on his image of Captain America, you know. Right, yeah. But as we will see in later movies, they do rectify.
00:56:51
Speaker
What'd you think Pilates? Due in time as a Capsicle. I love this. Like Steve is obviously, he's like, he's like this fucking guy. Oh yeah. Yeah. Very much so. Yeah.
00:57:08
Speaker
Oh, and this too, like the only, the only two things that scare Loki,
Thor's Dramatic Arrival
00:57:12
Speaker
right? One is Thanos, the other is Thor. This is my favorite line in the movie where he said, Oh, what's the matter? You scared of thunder? He said, he said, no, it's what comes after that. He said, no, he said, that doesn't bother me. I love that line. Yeah. Here we go. He comes Thor.
00:57:40
Speaker
My man. He just grabs Loki, just takes it out. Yeah, just nacked into the mountain and says, come on, let's go. Yeah. And now there's that guy. Don't waste time with a lot of words.
00:57:54
Speaker
Now, Captain America is going to say a very interesting thing in a minute, because the Black Widow, she's going to tell them, listen, these are as guardians. These guys are legends. They're practically gods and everything like that. And Captain America says, well, there's only one god I know.
00:58:10
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. And I thought that was kind of interesting that they would put that line in there. And I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that. Huh? Yeah. I'm kind of, you know, it's very interesting that they would put that line in there, you know, because you usually don't find in these types of movies where characters state their religious beliefs.
00:58:30
Speaker
so concretely, but for Captain America, yeah, it's right here with his character. It is, yeah. I mean, he grew up, you know, he grew up in the 30s. So it makes sense that he'd be of some Christian denomination. He's, you know, Irish Catholic family, right? If I remember correctly from the comics.
00:58:45
Speaker
it's a very interesting line that they put in and again there was a sorry go ahead no no no i was going to say again another scene where we have was two characters talking in this case thor and loki yeah i love the conversation that they have here
00:59:01
Speaker
Just to go back to the religion thing, I remember there was a meme out after this movie came out and it had a picture of Cap, picture of Iron Man and picture of Hulk. And then the picture of Cap, it said, met two gods, still a Christian. Under Iron Man, it said, met two gods, still an atheist. And under Hulk, it said, met two gods, smash them both. Yeah, yeah.
00:59:24
Speaker
But I know a lot of people, I've read a lot of people that really didn't like that line. They said, well, uh, this movie now is promoting. No, it's not promoting anything. I mean, that's the character. Exactly. And here I'm a card carrying atheist, right? So I'll be the first one to say like, I don't see anything offensive in that line at all. It makes total sense. I mean, cap grew up in the thirties. He grew up in New York. I, you know,
00:59:50
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you know, poor Irish family, working class Irish family, totally makes sense that he'd be a Christian. Right. And I love how, you know what, Weeden really nails the kind of like Shakespearean dialogue here without using like the, the D and those and all that. The D's and the thousand. Yeah, yeah. But it's still,
01:00:15
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they speak in a larger than life manner because these are larger than life characters. And that's excellent point you make because if you listen to the dialogue, this is a movie, you don't have to look at it. You could just listen to the dialogue and you can tell who's talking just by the way that they talk and the words that they use and everything like that. No character in this movie sounds like another character. They all sound different.
01:00:43
Speaker
I thought if you listen to Wilbur, I'm listening. What? I'm listening? Another great scene. We got to throw down between Thor and Iron Man. Oh yeah. Don't take my stuff. It's Shakespeare in the Park.
01:01:08
Speaker
I just love, I love Tony Stark in these movies. Like, and I just love how he doesn't give a shit. He's facing off against a God and he still doesn't care. He said, doth thou mother knowest thou wearest her drapes. And he calls Thor a tourist too. Yeah, of course. Oh my God. And now he's pissed.
01:01:29
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Okay, as far as, and I love how Loki just sits down and says, oh damn, I wish I had some popcorn. He's just enjoying the show.
01:01:41
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This not only shows again that yeah, Tony star. Yeah. I mean, this guy built the suit that enables him to go toe to toe with, oh, I mean, here you go. That's my boy. Which inadvertently charges power at 400% capacity. Cool.
01:02:09
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And I like that they show that, you know, even though this kind of helps establish that Thor's not really a god in that sense that we think of, but he is like, you know, an other dimensional being. Because Iron Man can go toe to toe to him.
01:02:22
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, they established that in, you know, Thor movies that the Asgardians really aren't God, even though when they visited Earth, they will worship as God and they allowed themselves to be worshipped as gods. But no, they're actually, you know, like a humanoid race, you know, right? Yeah, a little bit tougher than humanity, but
01:02:43
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And it's not really magic that they use. It's some kind of advanced technology, which as author C. Clarke says, any sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from magic. And that's also another line that Natalie Portman quoted in Thor. Bingo, yeah. There we go. I love the direction of this fight. And then it's Cap who stops him. Yeah, as it should be, yeah.
01:03:07
Speaker
And everyone, you know, they're like, Oh, I mean, why would people take orders from Captain America, right? But you look at this, you understand. Yo, yeah, yeah. Yeah, this establishes right there why he's Captain America and why people listen to him. Because he's probably the only guy that could get somebody to, you know, and they stopped for a minute, you know, yeah, yeah. And he just stands there with the shield. Boom.
01:03:31
Speaker
Right, and you know, cause Thor can tell this guy's, you know, not really hiding any secret power or anything like that. So when he stands up to Thor, Thor's like, okay, this guy's worthy of respect. Yeah, yeah. It's just he could take a hit from my hammer, you know. Iconic scene, the trio. There's the trio on screen for the first time, man.
01:03:57
Speaker
Oh, I love it. I lost my shit when I saw that. Oh, you and me both, man. Patricia was saying, could you please sit down? Get off of me. But it's like we said in, you know, we're talking about Justice League, right? This feels earned. Whereas that right, whereas when it was the shot of, you know, the Trinity, it didn't feel earned. It didn't feel earned. It felt like, OK, well, we gave them to you. You're supposed to cheer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:04:26
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That moment, yeah. Anyway, guys, I'd like this. I didn't notice this before, but the Mind Stone's already starting to affect Banner. Yeah.
01:04:41
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Now, for those of you out there, I know some people have asked me that, saw the movie, and they said, well, how come Thor's hammer didn't break Captain America's shield? Well, that's because Captain America's shield is made out of a unique combination of vibranium and adamantium.
01:04:59
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which used it's unique properties. Right, yeah. It wasn't quite Adam Antium, it was some other metal type thing and then later he created Adam Antium trying to recreate what he used to create. Right, but it was like some kind of proto- Right, yeah. Yeah. And this is a, this cage is a reference to the Ultimates comics because they had, they had Banner in a, this is where they imprisoned him in a cage just like this, although it was much bigger in the comics.
01:05:34
Speaker
There we got, I just love this. Like, you know, they're all just standing there listening to him. And I love Fury in this scene, like, you know, Jackson is just amazing in this. He says, and? Booped. And Loki's just like, you know, he's like, I don't have time for your tough guy shit. Yeah, right. You know, this shit don't impress me, you know. Because of course,
01:06:03
Speaker
As we are going to see, this is one of the oldest tropes that we see in action movies and superhero movies, where the bad guy allows himself to be captured by the good guys as part of his part of his overall master plan. Yeah.
01:06:19
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because even Captain America says, you know what I mean? He said, yeah, this guy let himself be way too easy. He said, this guy's got power. Which he did. Loki just said, okay, you got me. I love it too. Let me know if real power wants a magazine. Now here's something I don't get because how does Thor know about the Chitauri? Because Loki never said anything about it. And he says, they're not of any world known.
01:06:49
Speaker
And you know, Loki says, you know, I've seen worlds you've never heard of. So it's just like, I was wondering how he knew about the Chitauri. Interesting.
01:07:03
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Strangely enough, I've never thought about that before. Yeah, I noticed that. I just assumed that, you know, the Asgardians, you know, been hearing rumors about what Loki is doing. Maybe, yeah. You can spell crazy on him. I love this part, too. I care how you speak. He's beyond reason, but he's a Asgard and he's my brother. And then he's like, oh, well, he's adopted.
01:07:28
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Yeah, because the Black Widow said, yeah, well, he's killed 80 people between today and yesterday. He said, oh, well, you know, he is adopted. I like this, too. Tony, like, offered to fly Colson off to Portland to visit his girlfriend. Yeah, I know. Here comes Tony Stark with his bullshit down. But I love that, too, point break.
01:07:52
Speaker
raised the gym to top sales, and everyone's like, what the hell are you doing? And in the Gallagher reference, he says, how does Nick Fury see? He turns, he's like, sounds exhausting.
01:08:08
Speaker
Down he's just like chewing every bit of scenery in this scene. Oh man, he just, you know, and it's not many actors that could just come in and just take over a scene just like that, but he does it. And everybody just stands back and let him have it. And he's got a purpose for doing it, right? He's trying to be distracting. And with his movements and everything, they don't realize that he's planting the thing on it. Yeah, that he tells Captain America about later on. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, he's playing the fool, but he's playing the fool for a reason.
01:08:38
Speaker
You know, he's not just running around and being a jackass just to be a jackass, which he's perfectly capable of doing, mind you, but he's got a reason for it now. Finally, somebody who speaks English, that one just happened. Oh, I love this part too. And apparently Tony Stark and Bruce Banner meeting for the first time. I had said, because I was watching this yesterday and it struck me that
01:09:08
Speaker
Bruce Banner is always called Dr. Banner, but nobody ever calls Tony Dr. Stark. Well, I post a response to this in our Facebook group. I'm not sure if you saw it or not, but my theory is that
01:09:19
Speaker
you know, Stark never actually finished his PhD programs. Yeah, right. Because you know, to finish a PhD, like it's only like half of it is coursework. And then after that, you're doing a dissertation, you're working with an advisor, and then you got to defend your dissertation to a committee. Oh, brief aside, I love the galaxy. Yeah, he goes back to playing it. He's just got to look, he's over shows, like anyone watching? Okay, I'm gonna go back to playing Galaga now.
01:09:44
Speaker
Somebody else, I think it was Russ Anderson, I'm not sure, they responded to it and they were of the opinion that any doctor that Tony has is honorary. That could be it too, yeah. My theory is that Tony wouldn't have the patience to sit through a dissertation.
01:10:05
Speaker
Okay. I mean, cause you know, you think you have to have an advisor and the way, like he graduated MIT from when he was like, what, 17, they said an iron man, 16 or 17, something like that. Yeah. So he's got no patience for these advisors. He's already smarter than that. So you got no patience to deal with them. And then to deal with, you know, questions from the committee, he's got no patience for any of that. So he just, he just go ahead and do it himself. And I love this too. When he, he starts poking Bruce and he's like, you know, what's your secret? You know, bong and drums, big bag of weed.
01:10:36
Speaker
And you see, he posts them, and then he looks at them closely. Yeah, yeah. Tony's not just like fucking with people. I mean, really, there's no other way you could put it. I
Cap's Doubts on Institutions
01:10:54
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love this, too. Like, this is where we start to see the shaking of Cap's confidence in institutions, which will later be expanded on in Winter Soldier.
01:11:03
Speaker
But here where he's like, you know, what, you think Fury's hiding something. Yeah. Cause so many talkers tell him, you know, listen, it's an intelligence agency that's afraid of intelligence. He says, does that tell you? Yeah. And even Bruce Banner, even Bruce Banner is saying, you know, he tell, he tells him, well, listen, don't you think that this is kind of funny and don't you think this is kind of hinky and you know,
01:11:28
Speaker
So this is what I like about these characters. They're smart characters. They go into the situation with their eyes open. They don't have any illusions about Nick Fury. They know that, OK, basically he's a good guy and he wants to do the right thing and he wants to save the world and everything like that. But you can never forget that he's got his own agenda.
01:11:46
Speaker
Yeah, and I do forget that there's always that there's always something up under the surface from what he's telling you Which is you know, which is what Robert which is what Tony Stark is saying right now He's saying, you know, yeah, well in a little while, I'm gonna know all his secrets. You know, you know Here you go an intelligent George that fears intelligence historically not awesome And you know cap is still trying to keep the faith Right. I like this. Yeah, we have orders. We should follow them. I
01:12:18
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And at first he's just trying to write this off as, oh, it's just Stark being Stark. And then it's Banner who's like, wait, Steve, just think about this for a second. This doesn't smell right. And that's when Steve realized, OK, so maybe Tony's not just being an asshole.
01:12:41
Speaker
But see, that's the problem also with Tony Stark, is that he's so much of an asshole that when he is right, like trying to tell you something for your own good that you know, people aren't listening to that because they're so close to him, you know, just so you say that bullshit that he sprouts all the time, you know. He's like the super cry wolf, you know, when he actually is telling you something for your own good, you're saying, well, is it just more Tony's bullshit or is he, you know, really telling me something that I need to pay heed to?
01:13:10
Speaker
I like this we kind of established here that you know Tony's got kind of a chip on his shoulder about cap because you know his whole life Howard starts from talking about how awesome Captain America was right well he's got history with him you know yeah you know
01:13:25
Speaker
And again, we have another scene where it's two characters, talking, being characters, establishing characterization. Like I said, this whole movie has got a whole lot. I did not really realize how many of them until I watched it last night. And I'm sitting there and I'm counting them all. I say, yeah, you know what? There's a lot of these scenes in here. The character work in this movie is unbelievably good. It is. It is.
01:13:54
Speaker
Like I said, the movie is not afraid to slow down and let the characters be characters. Yeah. That's what, and also that really helps because this was the weakness in, you know, the, the X-Men movies is that they were basically focused on like, you know, one or two characters, right? It's like Wolverine, Captain America, Wolverine, Professor X Magneto. And the others were just kind of background dressing.
01:14:20
Speaker
But here, we never really got to know. Especially Cyclops. As far as I'm concerned, they did him the dirty. And he should have been front and center as far as I'm concerned, but they did him the dirty. But in this movie, like I said, all of these kids, and they mix and they match them.
01:14:39
Speaker
so that, you know, it's not like the same two characters are talking to each other all the time. It's different characters that are talking to each other. Yeah. And yeah, like you said, I mean, the dialogue and the characterization, you know, which is why I tell people, they say, oh, well, the Avengers is just a bunch of people, just costumes. I say, have you ever seen the Avengers? Well, no, I haven't seen it. Sit down and watch it. Trust me, it's not just a bunch of people in costume. Yeah. Run around beating up on each other.
01:15:08
Speaker
We do get that. We do get that, yeah. But we also do get to know the people. And here's another example of, you know, these great character moments and like mixing and matching characters. I mean, you've got Coulson and Thor. Yeah. And I know I love the relationship they establish. Yes. You know, son of Cole.
01:15:32
Speaker
No, but you get the impression that really that they become real friends, which is why I always felt that I was so disappointed that they, cause I always got the feeling that if Thor had known that Phil Colson was dead, he would have taken him and buried him on Asgard. That's how much regard he had for him, you know, or he would have given him or he would have brought everybody from Asgard to his grave site and you know,
01:16:00
Speaker
paid him some kind of respect or homage or something like that, you know? Yeah, I mean, that was kind of the weakness of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is that they couldn't really openly acknowledge the MCU. So we missed a lot, because it would have been really good to see like the Avengers find out what had happened to Kolsa.
01:16:19
Speaker
Yeah, that was one of the weakness of it, especially after Coles was such an integral part of the forming of the Avengers, as we see in this movie. I mean, he wasn't just standing by the sidelines. He was a part of forming this team. And for them to never acknowledge
01:16:40
Speaker
him is passing anything like yeah that's a serious flaw that you know but who knows like we were talking earlier when we were talking about like well maybe the doctor strange and the spider-man movie with the whole mocha verse thing maybe they'll bring him maybe they'll bring colson back i hope they do
01:16:57
Speaker
Yeah, I can think of worse. I mean, usually I got a problem with you bringing characters back from the dead, but feel close enough. If they feel closer back to the MCU on a regular basis as the new head of SHIELD, I'd love it. Oh, yeah, definitely. Oh, I love this interrogation scene. Again, you know, that first scene at the beginning of the movie when we were introduced to Black Widow, it foreshadows this scene, right?
Black Widow's Interrogation Skills
01:17:25
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It established
01:17:26
Speaker
how she's, how good she is at interrogations that she doesn't interrogate in a straightforward way. No. And again, another scene with two characters talking. You know what's interesting is that in these, in a lot of, pretty much all the Avengers movies up until Endgame is that
01:17:54
Speaker
When Black Widow's in another movie, she has long hair. But when she's in the Avengers movie, she has short hair. Do you notice that? You know something? I never noticed that. Yeah. Because she's got short hair in this one. And then we see her in Winter Soldier, she's got long hair. Age of Ultron, she goes back to the short hair. And then it's long in Civil War. And then it's short in Infinity War. OK. It's just a really interesting thing I notice.
01:18:22
Speaker
I was watching, what was it, a couple of days ago, I happened to catch, I was switching channels and I came in halfway through Ghost World and I always stop and watch it. And I can't help but look at her and say, boy, if she only knew what is store for her, you know, yeah. Cause you know what? She was a hell of an actress back then. Oh yeah. You know, I love that movie Ghost World.
01:18:46
Speaker
And it's funny because at that time, Thor Burch was like thought of as like the next big thing and then it ends up being Scarlett Johansson. That's, you know what? I said I would give $10,000 if I could be a fly on the wall when they go out to lunch. I wouldn't be able to go out to lunch and say, it's like, what's that got, Tom Hanks and the guy he was in that TV series with, you know, Bus and Buddies.
01:19:10
Speaker
Oh, I don't know. I never heard of that. Oh, okay. Yeah. But it's kind of like that with Peter Scolari. Where Peter Scolari was the guy that everybody thought was going to blow up and be a big star. Instead, it was Tom Hanks. Oh, I love this. And Scarlett Johansson does a really good job of play acting like she's terrified here. Yeah. And Tom Hiddleston is just going off.
01:19:41
Speaker
And I love this where it's contrasting this and it's playing the audio over these scenes of these different backstabbing plots going back and forth. Yeah. Cause there's a lot going on here that I mean, as far as the healthcare area is concerned, we've got about three or four things really here all happening all at the same time. Yeah.
01:20:09
Speaker
This is just like, he's so intense right here. And then, and I remember watching this, I'm like, what is she doing? Why is she flinching at this? Which as you so accurately point out, apparently Black Widow is a master at interrogation techniques. Yeah. And then here she goes, completely dry eyed. Yeah. Sucker.
01:20:43
Speaker
Oh, he said, wait, what? He's like, what just happened here? He said, wait a minute. I'm in control here. Here's where it all comes to a head. Like this is such a great scene. The two brainiacs.
01:21:11
Speaker
Then, you know, cap comes in, he's like, you know, and this is where cap fully crosses over. He's like, we shouldn't just be following orders. And he tries. Wait a minute. Hold on. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. We get another,
01:21:37
Speaker
you know, foreshadowing of their relationship, right? You know, you didn't come because I bat my eyelashes at you. I love this, Thor's just like, what did I do?
01:21:53
Speaker
He said, I'm starting him out of my business. What are you playing? But also, this is great. This harkens back to all of those great scenes in the comic books where the Avengers would bicker and fight amongst each other. And, you know, they weren't as bad as like Fantastic Four, who was like every issue, they were like at each other's throats and, you know, the thing was threatening to quit every other issue or something. Oh, yeah, yeah.
01:22:16
Speaker
But in the Avengers, every once in a while you have a thing, and there'd be a course of action. They would say, wait a minute, I don't think we should do this. And then they would do this. And this one would be fighting back and forth. And everybody had their own point of view on how they should handle the situation. Now, this is great, too. I love how it doesn't cut. And it's just like the movement of the camera. It feels.
01:22:37
Speaker
very unnerving. Well, it gives us the impression that we're standing in the room also.
Mind Stone's Influence on Avengers
01:22:42
Speaker
Yeah. And we're just like swiveling around and looking at each other and, you know, who's ever talking. We're standing there. We're just turning, you know, look at them. Yeah.
01:22:52
Speaker
I mean, that camera working here, and then it does the close up on the, and I love this, how it pans around like that. Right, because now it's letting us know visually and see how it goes upside down. So it's turning things, it's the mind stone that's turning things upside down. Right. It's letting us know visually that that's what's happening. It doesn't have to tell us. It's doing such an amazing direction in this movie. Yeah.
01:23:19
Speaker
Okay, things are topsy turvy now. I'm now opposite. I said, oh, okay. And if you're paying attention, yeah, you'll get it. You know, you don't, it always kills me when people talk about, well, they should have explained that in the movie. Why does everything have to be explained to you? I mean, it's explained pretty well like that. Yeah. If you're paying attention, you'll get, and if you're, if you've been watching movies, well, see here where I come off like an arrogant asshole. If you've been watching movies,
01:23:45
Speaker
for years, as long as I have, there's some things you can watch at a movie and if you understand the language of film, if our film is used and how direction is done, you say, okay, I can get that without having to be told.
01:24:00
Speaker
Now, this is such a great scene because this foreshadows not only Tony's attempted sacrifice in this movie, but also how the Infinity Saga comes to an end, right? With him sacrificing himself to stop Thanos. And it's amazing to think of how far we've come since this movie.
01:24:28
Speaker
But you know something, you made an excellent point a while back that I like to just jump back to, that until I watched this movie again, I did not realize how much of Tony's own relationship with his own father, how much that influenced his relationship with Captain America. Oh, yeah. A lot of things that he doesn't say is the cap. He does because his father's not there for him to take it out on, really. Yeah. I think that's what it is. And like you said, he had to grow up listening to how great this guy was.
01:24:58
Speaker
As you see him and his father didn't have the most harmonious of relationships. And again, the camera work here, like when that shot of Thor where it's like kind of a low angle, but he's almost like right at the edge of the frame.
01:25:18
Speaker
Again, it's a visual way for us to show the psychological disorientation of the characters themselves as they're under the influence of the stone. The visuals that we're looking at is kind of off because they're kind of off now. I love that they're both reaching for their guns. Because he doesn't even realize what he's doing himself. Yeah, yeah.
01:25:48
Speaker
Dr. Banner, could you put the staff down for you? He didn't even know himself. I love how they're still fighting him. He's like, you know, you know. But I like this. I'm not afraid to hit an old man. He's like, put on the suit. Let's go a few rounds. Uh oh.
01:26:13
Speaker
And I liked how they worked in how Hawkeye can do all these things, how they linked all his arrows and stuff to his bow. It makes so much sense. But it's something like nobody thought it to do in the comics. And that's one thing that I loved about the movies because, yeah, everybody always says, well, he's a guy with a bow and arrow. Well, as this movie shows, yeah, he's a guy with a bow and arrow, but if you know what to do with it. Yeah.
01:26:44
Speaker
You know, Hawkeye, Hawkeye by his assault on the Hell Carrier shows that he's just as formidable in his own way as Iron Man or Thor Captain America. Also, I love how, you know what, they're at each other's throats one minute, but as soon as disaster strikes, right, that Steve's like, you know, put on the suit and he's saying it in a different way. Yeah, completely different way, right. Completely different way from what he said it before.
01:27:10
Speaker
And yeah, they all snap into, okay, well, let's work together and bing, bing, bing. We'll fight about this shit later on, but right now. And there he goes, my man Hawkeye. But I've always been a big Hawkeye fan. Oh yeah, me too. Even more people say that Captain America, he's the heart and soul of the Avengers, but to me, it's always been Hawkeye. And I've always thought that, I love the fact that he's the guy
01:27:40
Speaker
who has won a place on this team with guys that can build these highly technological suits, armor and thunder gods and super soldiers and everything like that. Here's a guy with nothing but his guts, his skill and his will has made a place for himself on this team. I've always loved that about Hawkeye, you know, because basically he's just a regular guy.
01:28:04
Speaker
Yeah. He's just the best archer in the world. And still, that got him a place on the Avengers. For me, Hawkeye and Vision have always been two of my favorite Avengers. Because a lot of what you're talking about, that heart and soul, Vision is a lot of that, too. You're true. I agree. I like this. They have that shot of Banner as he's mid-transformation.
Hulk's Transformation Chaos
01:28:28
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He looks scared.
01:28:30
Speaker
Well, according to which the Black would have said earlier, it's been a year since his transformation, his last transformation. Right. And also like the whole thing here is that this is a forced transformation, right? So like, you know, he's still being influenced by the milestone here. Yeah.
01:28:50
Speaker
And even when they were in the laboratory, and as you pointed out, when we did the Hulk episode, he makes a reference and let us know that this is a sequel. This takes place after the incredible Hulk, because he said, well, last time I was in New York, I broke Harlem. Right, yeah, yeah. I love this too. He's like, we have no way to tell. He's like, is the sun coming up? Put it on the left. Stupid, yeah.
01:29:18
Speaker
but also those that show you that these people are so dependent on their technology that they can't figure out a simple thing like that. Okay. Well, if you put the sun on, you know, you left, this has got to be north, you know, stuff like that. Like my wife will always ask me, she said, well, how come you never get lost? I said, well, I was a boy scout. They taught me how to, you know, the direction I'm going in. Yeah.
01:29:49
Speaker
He's relying on Cap to tell him about this. I love this. Oh, yeah. Yeah. All this highly technical shit. Yeah. Yeah. This is a guy that barely understands how a radio works. Yeah. Oh, we missed the we were talking. We missed the flying monkey scene. Right. He says, I finally got that reference. I finally got that reference. Yeah. And he pulls it out. He's like, what do you see? He's like, well, it seems to run on electricity. Yeah. Like you really did. Did you really think Captain America was going to know what he was looking at?
01:30:19
Speaker
My god This is a you're getting shades of alien here like this is a really good the amazing way we directed this here There's a I love this shot that's coming up. Oh This is great. Yeah, boom Now is that a money shot or is that a money? Yeah
01:30:54
Speaker
Thor just knocking it for a loop. And now comes the next big throw. I mean, we already had Thor and Iron Man. Now Thor gets to go toe to toe with the Hulk. And you can see here, the way the Hulk's moving, he's just totally erratic. It's another visual clue that the Mind Stone is affecting him.
01:31:15
Speaker
And I like this that it shows that Thor is still pretty strong even when he doesn't have the hammer. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Because there's a tendency for people to think that, well, if he doesn't have his hammer, Thor is no good. Well, no. Such is not the case. As I tell people, I say, Thor's been kicking storm giants in the ass since he was a teenager. Yeah, yeah. I mean, God knows how to fight. Well, he's going on technical again. Speak English. You see that red lever?
01:31:48
Speaker
But again, goes back to what you were saying about the characterization. We saw these guys just a few minutes ago, arguing, insulting each other, each other. So now they're working together. Oh, I love this part. Like, you know, Thor here, he's happy, right? He's like, he's like, oh, I got someone who can stand up to me now. Yeah. Yeah. And you can see he's just, he's, he's, he knows the ham. He knows he's waiting for some sign. And then as soon as he knows Hulk is coming, boom. Gotcha.
01:32:19
Speaker
I mean, because when he wipes his nose and he sees that he's bleeding, he said, oh, good. And you know, now this is somebody he doesn't have to hold back with. Yeah. Well, you never did that, son. Hulk pick up puny hammer. Nope. Oh, man. And it's a foreshadowing to the much more epic fight we'll get in Ragnarok. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
01:32:50
Speaker
But I mean, hey, listen, I was sitting there when I was in the movie theater, my mouth was like, I could not believe I was watching the Thor Hope. Oh my God. And again here, like, you know, Hill and Fury proven why their head is shield. Boom. Tearing up the hell.
01:33:18
Speaker
Boy, that's gonna come out of the budget. Get his attention. Oh, man. Oh, this is another great scene coming up here. I love the fighter jet just goes right in between like that. Yeah.
01:33:49
Speaker
Oops. Oh, got his attention. Target angry. Target angry. I love how the army's codename for Hulk is angry man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:34:18
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Oh, and then he grabs the guy's chair and then swings him around for a little bit before throwing him off. Oh! There's that Tony's trusty laser. This is back when he had to still eject it out, the cartridge after it was used. Yeah. They changed that in later movies. He upgraded it, so you didn't have to eject anything. Well, he's always upgrading in every movie, like it's a different, you know.
01:34:46
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And I like here, we can't hear it, but I do like how they work in each character's theme song, right? They've got the Cap theme song playing here as he's going out against these guys. And it shows, Cap's a pretty good fighter even when he doesn't have the shield. And it shows he's a soldier, right? He's not afraid to pick up a gun if he has to. Well, that's what I tell people all the time when they say, oh, well, Captain America would never kill us. Well, of course he will.
01:35:15
Speaker
Yeah, because that's the difference. Cap is not Superman in that way. He is a soldier, and he doesn't want to kill, but he will if he
Cap's Moral Boundaries
01:35:23
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has to. And that's usually the context in which I'm having this discussion. And when I compare Superman to Captain America, and people say, yeah, OK, but why is it OK for Captain America to kill, but it's not OK for Superman to kill? I said, because Captain America is a soldier. And also, Captain America doesn't have Superman's level of power, either.
01:35:44
Speaker
Yeah, now in defense of his country or to save lives or whatever. Yeah, Captain America will pick up a gun. I mean, he killed in World War II. There's no doubt about it. But again, he's a totally different character. Yes, they do share some of the same values. But Captain America is coming from a more ideological, you know, than I mean, you know, Superman. Yeah.
01:36:09
Speaker
For Superman, it's more about, you know what, he can't solve all his problems that way because he knows how much power he has. He knows he can't go down that route. Exactly. It's a different story from Cap. Cap is more like the Batman line of thinking, right? It's more of a, you know, this is a line I don't cross unless I have to. Exactly. I always like to say to people that, yeah, he will kill, but he's not a killer. Right.
01:36:36
Speaker
You know, and of course people say, well, what's the difference? Oh, there's a big difference. Yeah. Go away from me. All right. You know, if you don't understand what the difference is, yeah, there's a difference. Are you ever not going to fall for that? I love the relationship between them too. Which of course, and also foreshadows in Ragnarok when Thor doesn't fall for it. Right. When Loki tries on him as they're going to the ship and then Thor expects it coming. Uh-huh.
01:37:06
Speaker
This is another great Hawkeye and Black Widow throwing down. Yep, going toe to toe. I love that they find a way for him to use his bow even in close quarters like that. Yeah, isn't there? Where he turns it into a staff? That's in Civil War. In Civil War, yeah. Yeah, when he's facing off against Black Panther.
01:37:36
Speaker
Yeah. Oh God, this scene. Yeah, I know. This is, this is, this is the scene that I dread every time I watch this movie. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, anyone that's
01:38:02
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Because we spent all this time in the movie up until now, seeing Colson as a more fully developed character. And you know what, it's funny because Whedon said like, this was not my fault. This was in the script before I came in. And he's like, I told them you can't have this in the script. Everyone's going to blame me for it again.
01:38:23
Speaker
The only thing that I could figure that somebody thought that the movie needed a sacrificial lamb and they couldn't kill off anybody else because of course they all had contracts for multiple movies. So because you've got because now you've established Maria Hill as like Stark's right hand woman or Stark as Fury's right hand woman. So in a way seems a bit redundant in that sense.
01:38:48
Speaker
Well, not really, because you know what? She's like, okay, because I always saw Colson as the guy that was, he's out there. He's running around the country, he's running around the world. I always saw Maria Hill as the person that actually was running Sheila on a day-to-day basis. You're right, but I'm saying that's the line of thinking. I can understand that line of thinking.
01:39:14
Speaker
Yeah. Whereas instead of having two characters, you could streamline it into one. Yeah. I love, you know, Thor's trying, here we go. Just boom. And it's kind of interesting because it shows that he needs some sort of like, you know, footing, some sort of leverage in order. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
01:39:46
Speaker
Ah, you don't really think he's dead. I love when he just shoots him like that. Boom! Good for you, Phil. Yeah. So that's what it does. One last good shot. Yeah.
01:40:18
Speaker
Okay, healthcare is stabilized thanks to Iron Man and Captain America. Almost, because now he's got the thing where Cap's too busy to pull the lever. Yeah, yeah, because he's now fighting off the guy, Hawkeye's strike team. And he's probably, might be Hydra guys.
01:40:45
Speaker
There he goes, finally gets back. Well, even though he never states it explicitly, because Solvik asked him, so where did you get these guys so fast? And he just says, well, Shield's got a lot of enemies. I was just one of the Hydra guys. That was my thing. You know, that Hulk I knew when there was a bunch of Hydra guys, you know, hanging out at a bar someplace, you know, not doing nothing. And he went, listen, you want to get back at, you know, listen, I got a plan. We'll get back at Shield. There he goes with the handle. Yeah, yeah.
01:41:14
Speaker
That armor has definitely seen better days. Oh yeah, that arm is all tore up. Yeah. He's like, I'm just gonna take a rest now. Yeah, it's been a long day. It has been a really long day. And Loki is free. Here we go, Fury and Colson's last words.
01:41:57
Speaker
And I'm sitting in the theater the first time that I'm saying, and I'm thinking even at the last minute, Fury's going to pull something out of his trick bag and he's going to save them. You know, Phil Coulson can't be dead. I mean, I'm sorry. It just ain't going to work that way. I was convinced he was going to pull something out of it.
01:42:16
Speaker
you know, stick them in a cryogenic capsule or, or I don't know, a Tony Stark would come up with something. I don't know. I just knew somebody was going to come up with something to say. I did not expect that he was going to temporarily die. Put that way.
01:42:36
Speaker
Okay. I love when they, in ancient shield, when he finds out what it was and it was like this, uh, this special procedure and he, and, um, Colson, like, why did you use it on me? Like that's supposed to be done in case an Avenger falls. And then Fury's like, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is a, this scene just tore me up. Right. The, the cards. Oh yeah.
01:43:16
Speaker
And it's just... Oh man. And it's like Tony is just like taking this really bad, harder than anyone really. Well see that's the thing about Tony's song which is why I have always thought that
01:43:36
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you know, after the events of this movie and what happens to him in later movies, psychologically, everything hits him harder than all of that bullshit and everything that he does and everything like that. That's all defenses. It's a suit of armor. He wears around himself. Right. He's actually more psychologically vulnerable than anybody else. Yeah. In these movies, you know, he just he just hides it a lot better.
01:44:02
Speaker
You know, but it comes out in other ways. Like we were saying in Ironman last week, when I was saying that, yeah, you know, one of the problems with Tony Stark is that the only way that he can think of the fixer problem is to build a bigger, better weapon, which also, I'm sorry. Yeah. Well, of course something else too, is that after Yinsen dies, like Tony's whole thing is like, I'm going to use this suit and I'm going to protect people. And this kind of thing is not going to happen again. Right. You know, any,
01:44:31
Speaker
And now we've gone through two movies, right? He thinks he's invincible, right? And he thinks he's unstoppable and he's not used to dealing with death. True. Not when he's able to protect, when he thinks he should have the power to stop this from happening and he still can't stop everything. Like it's not. Yeah.
01:44:52
Speaker
He never, he never, it's like, okay, going back to Superman. It's like Superman. Superman comes to terms with the fact he can't save everybody. Also, I like this thing with Thor too, where he's like, he's hesitating before he picks up the hammer. He's like, wait a minute. And that's time. A lot of people were confused by that scene. Cause a lot of people said like, well, wait, can he not pick up the hammer? Why is he stopped? And the thing is, it's not that he can't pick it up. It's that he's hesitating because, and this ties back to the conversation he had with, with Colson.
01:45:19
Speaker
when he says, you know, we think we're advanced on Asgard. We come down here and we rampage around. And he's wondering, he's like, you know what? I brought Loki here. Should I really be getting involved in this? Am I not making things worse? Yeah. That's his whole thing. Oh, and we got a classic actor here. A great cameo from Harry Dean Stanton. Yeah. Who when I saw in the movie theater, there was a nice little bit of applause going on. Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. You know, so I know that guy. You know.
01:45:50
Speaker
And it's also kind of shows that there's, that, you know, Banner is someone in control of the Hulk, but he says like, it's like, well, must've been lucky. He's like, we're just good aim. You were awake when you fell. Yeah. That was too, he's like, are you from outer space? He's like, no, he's like, you got a condition. He said, boy, if you're not alien, then you got a condition. You talk about your understatement.
01:46:23
Speaker
This is where we see probably the most Hawkeye in this scene. We get the clearest insight into his character, at least in this movie. Well, didn't Jeremy Randall complain at one point that he didn't have enough to do? Yeah. Well, at least in the first one, yeah. When it came down to Age of Ultron, he was given more to do and then
01:46:49
Speaker
you know, obviously Civil War and Endgame, he had a whole lot more to do. Yeah. And now he's getting, we're getting a Hawkeye TV show too, so. Because I vaguely remember reading at one point that he took the role in, what was it, Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol, because they were actually was thinking,
01:47:13
Speaker
This is what I read, I don't know if the room is true or not, but the thing was that Tom Cruise was gonna quit the series after one or two more movies and Jeremy Renner's character was introduced so that he could take over. Yeah, I remember reading something about that as well. Right.
01:47:29
Speaker
And then he was also supposed to take over the other franchise. What was it? Oh, the Bourne series. Right. He was supposed to take that over. That didn't work out mainly because it was a terrible movie. Right. And they brought back Damon and Greengrass. Yeah. Then they brought them back. Yeah. It was a terrible... Through no fault of his own. Jeremy Renner was good. It was just...
01:47:53
Speaker
I don't know what they were thinking. But then again, you can't go by me because I'm not much of a fan. As we discussed, I'm not much of a fan of the Bourne movies. The first one is amazing. Yeah. Yeah. The first one now, I've got that on Blu-ray. But to me, and I'm cool. The other ones, you can keep those. Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. I never even saw the one where Damon and Greengrass came back. I didn't even see the one that the runner was in. I stopped after, what was the last one, Ultimatum?
01:48:20
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, after that, I'm like, I don't really care about, see the rest. I saw, you know what, the only reason why I went to see the one with, the only reason I went to see the one with Jeremy Renner, this is because of Jeremy Renner. That's one reason I went to see it, yeah. And he was good, but you know, it was, for some reason, and then recently they just had a TV series, Treadstone. Yeah, yeah. That was a spinoff of, you know, it was,
01:48:49
Speaker
I don't know, they keep trying to turn this whole thing into, you know, the whole born thing. And it's really making more out of it than I think then what the creator of it meant for it to be. This is another great character piece between, this is where the relationship with Tony and Steve really begins, I think. Right, this is where he really, they really come to some sort of
01:49:19
Speaker
form of mutual respect. Yeah. I mean, these guys, they should be friends, but they're separated by so much their values, uh, their age difference. Well, really not so much as the age difference, but it's just that Steve Rogers is a man from a completely different. But it's interesting though, you mentioned the age differences, you know,
01:49:47
Speaker
You know, in reality, Steve is chronologically Steve is much older than Tony, but physically Tony is older than Steve. Yeah. Yeah. I just realized that. Yeah. You know what? Actually, Tony is a whole in a Steve. Yeah. And it's kind of interesting because, you know, he grew up listening to these stories. His dad told about his old friend, Captain America. And, you know, be weird. Like all of a sudden you turn around one day and your dad's best friend turns up and he's younger than you. Yeah.
01:50:17
Speaker
So like I said, Tony has to go through, you know what, after he came back from being held prisoner by the terrorist and Iron Man and stuff like that, Pepper should have stuck him into deep therapy for at least a year. We would have never gotten Ultron if he had did that. But of course, Tony's not gonna admit that he needs therapy or anything like that.
01:50:42
Speaker
But yeah, but he's got a lot of deep psychological shit I like this when Clint comes out and he says I can fly with the Jets and then you know cap looks to Tasha for confirmation and Once she nods and like basically saying like he's okay, then he then caps like okay, come on in them. Yeah Here we go shooting up shooting up Now I like this when he gets the when Thor gets the armor on his
01:51:11
Speaker
We the here we go It sounds like yeah Son just don't Here's another example we see what a manipulative bastard fury is I
01:51:34
Speaker
Colson didn't have those cards in his jacket. That means Fury took those cards out of Colson's locker, went over to his body and dipped them in his blood and then took them over to the... Man. Now he's got some shit. Yeah. Yeah, because he didn't have the cards with him. No, no. And Fury, there's not a lot of Fury won't do to get the job done. Apparently so.
01:52:04
Speaker
Yeah, but that, you know, and I know that he rationalizes it is on my, well, this is what Phil would have won. Phil would have been the first one to, you know, yeah, but okay, maybe so, but that still don't make it right though. You know, that still doesn't make it right. And look at how Tony's arm is just like falling apart here. Oh, it's all beat to shit about this, but what, you know what, which I like. I know. Yeah.
01:52:38
Speaker
I mean, because by the end of every movie, yeah, his armor should look all beat up and off and beat the shit. And, you know, yeah, it's still working, but there's wear and tear up. There he goes. Loki. The armor coming off again.
01:53:03
Speaker
And I like how, once again, we see how something that Tony created, the arc reactor, because that's what they're using, the power, this thing. Again, something he created is coming back to bite him in the ass. Right, yeah. I'm planning to threaten you. You've got the glow stick of destiny. No, no, threatening. He's just like, all right, let's have a drink.
01:53:33
Speaker
Yeah, you know, let's hang out, you know. And again, we get another scene between two characters. Characterization and unlikely characters, too. Yeah, of course. I love how he's so he doesn't say in something like big drives, like the Avengers, you know, we're sort of like a team. Yeah.
01:54:01
Speaker
He's like, as soon as he mentions Thor, he's like, you know, Loki started to get twitchy. Yeah. You noticed that, right? Yeah. Yeah. Cause as, cause as much as he might like to pretend otherwise. Yeah. Loki's yeah. Thor makes him nervous. That's why he, when he said early, he said, Oh yeah, the thunder that Donald said, what comes after that? Yeah. Yeah. I have an army. We have a Hulk. Bingo.
01:54:30
Speaker
One of the best lines, one of the best lines in the movie. Yeah. Okay. You've got to, yeah, we've got to halt. Now, mind you, the Chitauri have been built up as this big menace, everything like that. We have not seen them all throughout the movie, which is why I said earlier before, really the only purpose is for something, you know, by the end of the movie.
01:54:58
Speaker
It keeps trying. This usually works. Performing issues. One out of five. Oops. Oh, we were watching this. My wife and I were watching this and she was like, she's like, oh, she's like watching this scene and she was like marveling at this scene.
01:55:28
Speaker
Boom. Massively cool. Yeah, so well done. Whoa. I love this new armor. It's got the rear thrusters so we can hover like that. Yeah. Brand spanking new set arm. Yeah. This is one of my favorite suits in the series. Uh-oh.
01:55:59
Speaker
Forgot the objective, didn't you? Oh, yeah, yeah. Here we go. And now we begin the big battle we've all been waiting for, the Charlie and Vade universe. Army. This was just like one of the most epic battle scenes that had ever been shown when this movie came out.
01:56:26
Speaker
And it still is, like, you know, obviously it's been overshadowed since by Endgame, but still, like, this scene was unbelievable when this movie came out. Wow. Yeah. And of course, New Yorkers, let's stop this. Oh, yeah.
01:56:50
Speaker
This is one of those scenes that, you know, you watch it and I don't know me, this is something that I frequently do. I look and I say, I have no idea how they filmed that. Well, this was like, what they did was they kind of created like a CGI set, CGI model of New York. And so like most of this is done like on green screen.
01:57:12
Speaker
Well, a lot of times, you know what, sometimes I will watch those things that they have on the Blu-ray, like, you know, behind the scenes, the making up. Sometimes I'll watch them. Sometimes I don't, because I actually don't want to know how they did it. You know, sometimes like you watch the, I remember seeing some of the, the, um, the end game.
01:57:31
Speaker
they had like deleted scenes on it and stuff. And you see the deleted scenes, because obviously they don't have the effects finished, right? So you see it and there's like, you know, there's this extended conversation with Tony talking to Dr. Strange.
01:57:45
Speaker
And you see in there, it's like Robert Downey Jr. is wearing half the armor and they're all against a green background. It's like, it's quite the same effect. Yeah, I mean, they're all standing in a room that's all completely green. Maybe there's some rocks or something like that, but they're all wearing pajamas and they got the motion capture thing in front of it. Sometimes I don't want to see that. Yeah. Sometimes I don't need to know how the sausage is made. Yeah.
01:58:14
Speaker
I'd rather just eat the sausage. There is, son. No, I agree. I agree totally.
01:58:22
Speaker
Sometimes I do. Sometimes I'm curious. I've said, you know, I gotta know how they did that. You know, I'm not going to sleep at night, but other times not. I'm just content. And this is like one of the, I mean, again, I go back to spectacle at Epic, you know, you got Thor in his brand new spanking armor. He's up there fighting with Loki. The aliens are, the Avengers are mobilized and trying, you know, where else are you going to see this? Oh yeah.
01:58:49
Speaker
Just fantastic. Plus, you know, just seeing the quinjet, right? I mean, it's just like... Oh, man. Poor Kevin, this is just like not really anything he can do. He's just like hanging on. Not much he can... Yeah, listen. Whoa.
01:59:20
Speaker
Here we go, now he can get into action. Well, now he's got something to do. Yeah. He can be Captain America now. Whoa. Here they come. Oh, here comes the big guy. Oh, goodness. Look at that thing.
01:59:51
Speaker
You know what, because the Chitauri didn't really have much of a design in the comics, right? Because they were basically like a stand-in for the Skrulls. So they were mostly like shapeshifts. So like they did, like all of this is like original design work for this movie and it's just amazing work, right? And you can kind of see the Thanos influence on them when you look closely. Right? Like the kind of the style of like their helmets and stuff. Yeah.
02:00:21
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Where's Banner? He's like, what? And what I really like about, okay, you got this huge creature coming through there. You've got all these dozen aliens, everything like that. And you're saying to this is the point in the movie that you're saying, are the six of them really going to stop all of this? Well, at least I did. That's what I said. Are they really going to be able to stop this?
02:00:45
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This is another hint that maybe Loki's being under, being influenced by the Mind Stone because he does seem to have a mode of realization here, like a moment of clarity.
02:00:54
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Yeah. You know what? I more and more, I'm beginning to lean in with your theory that, yeah, that the mind stone was kind of, you know, because, yeah, because in this movie we really do get, we've never seen Loki be this vicious and mean. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, you know, we seem to do some, you know, some pretty horrendous shit, but I mean, especially the thing with the eye, you know, right? Yeah. We've never seen Loki do anything like that since. Yeah. You know,
02:01:26
Speaker
And we've never seen a Loki that, that's so maliciously destructive. You know, cause Loki's whole thing is, you know, well, I can't rule a planet if it's destroyed. So yeah.
02:01:43
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I think I'm gonna go with you there. I like the design of the wings. It's a small thing I know, folks. And I'm sorry. Oh yeah, I know, it does, yeah. But I like how they still have, it's not sticking out his head, but they still got, you know. Oh, there we go. The scene with Hawkeye choosing which arrowhead to put on which, but I love that. That is so cool.
02:02:03
Speaker
And it makes so much sense. I don't know why they haven't done that in the comics yet. After someone watched this movie, they should have been like, all right, we've got to put that in the comics now. Oh, shit, yeah. No question. Because it's not just that he's an archer, right? They make his whole uniform fully functional. Yeah. You know what?
02:02:29
Speaker
It's a definite kind of ninja influence to him, too, which we also see when we get to Infinity War, where he takes on the identity. Where he becomes Ronan, yeah. Yeah, Ronan, yeah. So there's a lot, like I said, he's not just an archer, he's a sharpshooter, he's a ninja influence. I see him, you know, a definitely martial arts influence. So it's a whole bunch of things. So yeah, so in the movies, they make him, he's not just an archer. That was a great thing with Cap talking to the police officers.
02:02:58
Speaker
Right, he's giving him instructions, telling him what to do, and they're just kind of like, who the hell is this guy in the onesie? And this is where Cap shows him exactly who he is. Yeah, and so why should we take orders from you? Yeah. That's why. And I got another word, he just starts repeating everything Cap told him.
02:03:27
Speaker
Also, I like they established that Cap knows New York still. He's giving them directions on what streets they should go back to and everything. Set up the perimeter over here. We can pull the civilians back over here and get over it. Yeah. But see, I love when Captain America just starts doing that shit. When he just starts barking on water, and he just does it like he expects people are not going to do anything else but listen to what he's saying. I love that.
02:03:54
Speaker
But the cool thing about Cap, and Evans does this really well, is he doesn't do it in an arrogant way. He expects his orders to be followed, but he's not arrogant about it. If Stark was barking those orders, it'd be a totally different delivery. Yeah, nobody would listen to it.
Cap's Leadership in Battle
02:04:18
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I'm finished business with Loki, yeah, we'll get in line.
02:04:24
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And again, I like this, you know, Cap calling the shots, just like slipping into the role of leader without a second thought. It's just natural for him. Yeah, it's just natural for him. And I like this, the little acknowledgement where she's like, she's like, look, it's okay, you know? Yeah. And tell him to suit up.
02:05:06
Speaker
And he just starts walking through like, you know, you might want to start getting angry right now. Uh-huh. Another great line. Still doesn't really make sense, but such a great line. No, that's my secret. He said, listen, I'm always angry. Yeah. And with one punch, the Hulk changes the whole complexion. Yeah, yeah.
02:05:37
Speaker
Poor one guy. He's got nobody to protect him. He's got to hide under the car. With one freaking punch. Boom. And that, folks, is why we have it. Oh, the epic roundabout shot. Yeah. That's the money shot.
02:05:55
Speaker
And again, like you were saying earlier, this is a shot that's been earned. Now we say, okay, that's the Avengers. It's not like that last shot in Justice League where they're on the wall and we're supposed to, oh yeah, no, no, no, no. Well, like you said, when we did that episode, it felt so posed and forced. And then here, I like this too, where Tony fully defers to Cap here, right? He says, call it captain. Yeah, yeah.
02:06:22
Speaker
Again, characterization, it says something about that. At this moment, listen, I gotta put my ego in. Oh, I love this. Better clench up Legolas. He's giving borders to the god even too, right? And Thor is just like, all right, let's do this. You see what Thor got you. Here you go, the best line.
02:06:48
Speaker
And Hulk smash. And just, Hulk's got that smile on his face. He's like, oh, I'm just waiting for you to tell me that. So, Hulk smash. Such great lines of dialogue in this movie. And when Hulk looks at first, he's like, oh God, what are you going to tell me to do? Yeah. Listen, do what you do best. Smash.
02:07:13
Speaker
Now, this is just like such an epic use of Thor in this movie. That's why Thor's my boy. Yeah. I love me some Thor. They used them in this movie. You get the feeling, you say yourself, okay, I understand why people worshiped him as a guy. But you see, the thing is still, what's so amazing is that he's weakened in this movie too. Cause you saw him when he lands, he's still kind of weak from what Loki stabbed him. Yeah. He's weak when he's doing this.
02:07:44
Speaker
And we got the Fury talking the Shadow Council again. But one thing that I really do enjoy is that, yeah, they establish how powerful Thor is, but not at the expense of any other character. I like this too. Okay, doesn't even have to look when he fires the arrow. No, he's not even looking. Yeah.
02:08:02
Speaker
But I do love this, like he's surveying the battle, right? He's calling out plays, like Cap told him. Right. Because as he said earlier, he sees better from a distance, he could see the big picture. And also something else interesting, like he's looking at one way and he's pointing the bow in the other, right? Because he's compensating for the change in speed, the wind direction, he's calculating all that in his mind. He's Hawkeye, he's brilliant.
02:08:26
Speaker
And that's why I love that. And I love that they showed that with that gesture. I love that they showed that, yeah. Because you may say, because as I said earlier, they said, well, he's just a guy with a bow and arrow. Yeah, but they show he has a unique skill set that nobody else can do that he brings to the team. He's not, you know, just like all of them, they all have a unique skill set that they bring to the team.
02:08:49
Speaker
Something else too I like about this is that when they talk about the perimeter, right? They make a plan to actually, it's not like in Man of Steel where it's like, let's just destroy everything. Like they have an actual plan to try and contain the damage and keep the fighting here in this area. Which is what I always tell people is the difference between this movie, because I get that too from people. Well, what's the difference between Avengers? They were tearing up the city. No, they were not. They very clearly established a perimeter.
02:09:16
Speaker
Yes. Where they were containing the damage. That's the difference. And you got Cap and Widow on the street, they're trying to help people out as much as they can. Well, you got Iron Man Thor, like really Iron Man Thor and Hulk are doing most of the fighting here. Yeah, actually, yeah.
02:09:44
Speaker
But another aspect here, like the teamwork in this, right? They work as an actual team in this movie.
02:09:50
Speaker
Exactly. That's the whole thing about the Avengers. The whole concept is that as a team, they're stronger than they are separately. And I don't think that we see it. Not even in the later movies, we don't see it as strong as we see it here. We do see it in the later movies, of course. We do see it. But here, we see it in a way I don't think we ever see. And considering these characters don't know each other all that well, they're doing pretty damn good. Oh, yeah. Oh, this is another amazing scene, right?
02:10:20
Speaker
This is gonna go down in history as like that scene in Hard Boiled, right? Just like a continuous cut. Yeah. Where we see that just it's panning around, just showing all of them. And it's just like such seamless transition. And you don't even realize that there hasn't been a cut yet. It's just continuous. Right down here we get, and again, we're seeing the teamwork, right? They're all fighting together.
02:10:46
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Right. I love how they had that little bit in there where Iron Man, he fires a rope, pokes a race, and Captain America reflects it off the shield. Yeah. Yeah. Comes from the Ultimate Alliance games. Yeah. And then, you know, Holt jabs the piece of metal, and then Thor charges it up and charges electricity. And then here we go. Boom. Love that. Suck a punch. Suck a punch, Thor.
02:11:16
Speaker
Oh, man. I just love it. It's like a joke that Hulk's still, you know, he's still gonna fuck things up if he can. Oh, man. He suck a punch Thor. Oh, that's such a great moment. And we still got the best Hulk moment coming up. Yeah, that's not even the best one. The whole entire MCU.
02:11:40
Speaker
We have the best Hulk moment coming up. Matter of fact, I want to go so far. It may just be the best moment in all of the MCU movies, period. Really. I mean, it's definitely up there. I'll say it that way. Now, here we go. We got Cap going in and saving civilians. Yeah, something that you should see happen in a superhero movie. Yeah. And of course, the obligatory Cap's got to lose his mask scene.
02:12:12
Speaker
Whoa. Boom. But I like this too. It's showing like the toll that the damage is taking on them. Yeah, you know, they're not, I mean, then listen, what we'll see later on when we have, you know, the scene after the credits, everything like that, where they literally like almost too tired to eat. Yeah, yeah.
02:12:39
Speaker
I love this too. I recognize the council has given me a decision, but given that it's a stupid ass decision, I would like to ignore it.
02:12:55
Speaker
See me, I would have went one, but I guess since none of the rest of them had any lines, I would have had all of these famous actors, you know, be members of the, you know, the shadow council. That would have been Robert. Yeah. I just took Robert De Niro in there. Oh yeah. You know, Al Pacino. Yeah. What are you doing?
02:13:26
Speaker
I love this too, right? He's like, he's like, Oh, really? Come on. Gotcha. That's another, you know, kind of foreshadowing that, uh, there's, there's nothing in Civil War was where, um, Oh yeah. Where he fires at Stark and Stark says you missed and Hawkeye's like, no, it made you look. No, it made you look. Yeah. Oh, here we go. The best Hulk line ever.
02:14:07
Speaker
The look on Holoki's face is priceless. And he's whimpering.
02:14:14
Speaker
When I saw this in the movie theater, you could not hear anything for the next five minutes. Oh, hell no, no. Everybody just lost it. But you know what else I like too, is like now there are three things Loki is afraid of. Because then we see in Ragnarok, when he sees the Hulk, he's like, oh shit, I got to get out of here now again. Yeah, yeah. And then when he does it, when Hulk does the same thing to Thor, and then Loki starts cheering. Because let's face it, Loki has never had an ass whoopin' put on him like that before. No, no, no, no. Never.
02:14:46
Speaker
I mean, and the Hulk just picks it like a ragdoll just beats the stuffing out of him. Like a God. Please. Ooh. Nope. Here we go. He's like, we'll lose power before you get through that thing. Don't even bother. Oh, here we go. Did you ever hear the tale of Jonah?
02:15:15
Speaker
Mm. So this is kind of funny, because they kind of, because it... Drax tries the same thing in Guardians 2, remember? Yeah, yeah. Except that guy didn't have armor on the outside. And he didn't even kill it, really. He thought he killed it. No, yeah, yeah. He goes busted out like...
02:15:41
Speaker
Oh, I hear him. Here's something too. Yeah, he's out of arrows, right? The practical problem with fighting with a bow and arrow. Another great shot. Great shot. Probably the best Hawkeye shot in the series. Well, no, no, no. I'd take that back. The best one is probably him and Atman. Yeah. Aw, man.
02:16:09
Speaker
They had, we're seeing like the toll of the battles taking on them. Like here we got them all bombarding the Hulk. Yeah, because if you look at the top, Hulk, even the Hulk, it was like he's tired now. Yeah, yeah. Because here's the thing, like it's, you know, they can basically keep on going until they wear the Avengers out and they just can't fight it. Well, yeah, because it's just wave after wave after wave coming.
02:16:38
Speaker
I mean, they're drones, basically. That's all they are. I mean, the Chatar, you know, they can just keep throwing them out until they wear them down eventually. Exactly. Yeah. They're basically bread exclusively for to be soldiers. Yeah. There's no strategy to. Right. There's no strategy to, you know, the combat is just, you know, just warm. Right. Because
02:17:03
Speaker
Cause you remember Thanos' whole thing is he wants to get the stones. So he sends Loki to get the space stone and Loki's like, well, I want earth. He's like, all right, fine. You take over earth and then you give us the, and you will give me the army and then you give us the stones. And so that's what Loki's trying to do. He's just trying to subjugate earth basically, where I'm all out. Whoa. Too many of them Tony, run.
02:17:33
Speaker
There you go. Also, we had that scene with Fury. He's like, I'm just going to pick up my bazooka. And watching that scene where Fury goes to the deck of the ship and he just takes the bazooka, reminded me of that scene in Kick Ass where the bodyguard is like, he's like, I'm going to go get my bazooka.
02:18:02
Speaker
This is another great character moment here, right? When Thor's about to help Cap up. He's like, are you sure you can still fight? And Cap's like, why are you getting sleepy? And Thor just kind of gives him like an acknowledge. He's like, all right, this guy can keep up.
02:18:19
Speaker
Yeah, okay, you're pretty tough on you, man.
Thor and Cap's Mutual Respect
02:18:22
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This movie does a really good job of, you know, establishing how and why Thor respects Cap so much without ever saying a single word. Without saying anything, yeah. And there's a similar moment to that in Age of Ultron, too, where Thor
02:18:50
Speaker
you know lands afterwards and catch like what were you taking a nap. I mean when I discussed this movie and I really should discuss this move with a lot of people because
02:19:01
Speaker
Some people just don't understand certain things. And when I talk about the respect that Iron Man has for Captain America and for Thor, how can Iron Man, he doesn't respect Captain America. He doesn't even like him. I said, it's got nothing to do with it. You don't respect somebody without liking him. Oh, yeah, absolutely. But for some reason, people don't seem to understand their concept. They say, well, how do you like somebody? And you don't respect, and you respect, you don't like somebody, but I said, there's a lot of people I don't like, but I respect them. Yeah. Yeah.
02:19:31
Speaker
It's a very simple concept. They don't have to be best friends. And as we can see, Iron Man and Captain America will never be best friends. But they do respect each other until, of course, they have their fall. And even after their fall, yeah. And like you said, yeah, Thor.
02:19:50
Speaker
He never says it, but we can see quite plainly that he has a lot of respect for Captain America. We just saw earlier where Captain America was giving out orders there. Thor just said, gotcha. And he's gone. He's gone. Yeah. Now this like, you know, just the look on Stark's face, he's seeing all this.
02:20:11
Speaker
Yeah. Now, this is when Tony really starts to, you know, okay, he's already been through the torture, but this is another traumatic moment that he goes through that adds to his mental wonkiness. Absolutely. Yeah. And they all start falling one by one. And yes, we got to give him credit. Tony Stark saves the day.
02:20:53
Speaker
Oh, it's closing. Here we go. Right at the last second. Just barely makes it out. Woo. Son of a gun. This is before Cap starts swearing. Yeah. I like this. Thor's about ready to go up and save and then Hulk's the one who jumps in.
02:21:22
Speaker
Uh-huh. Again, this ties into, you know, the kind of respect that Banner, that him and Banner, the relationship that they've established. And that's why the Hulk goes into save him. Uh-huh. I think it'll be cleaning up this shit for years. Well, the kingpin is anyway. Yeah.
02:21:45
Speaker
No, this is Midtown, Manhattan. This is like uptown. This isn't like, well, no, Hell's Kitchen is Midtown. Hell's Kitchen is like around 50th Street. So this isn't that far from, yeah, that isn't too far from Hell's Kitchen. You hit the whole road. What just happened?
02:22:17
Speaker
And see, these are things, like you said, go back to what I said, these are things you don't see in the comic books. They're tired, they're sweaty, their clothes are torn, their hair is must up, they're bleeding and everything like that, which adds to the whole situation. See, we can buy it because we see that they're just beat up as, you know. I love that, yeah, and swarm after.
02:22:44
Speaker
You always think about it, like, look man, we just won a battle, can't we just eat? Here we go, another great shot. Oh yeah.
02:23:11
Speaker
I'll have that drink now. Yeah. Yeah. I love, I love that. Yeah. Okay. You know what I had to do because it would look on their face. You could tell. Listen, we're done with this shit. Okay. I love that. Okay. I'll take that drink down. Doesn't that guy look a little like Paul Rudd, the top screen? Yes, he does.
02:23:47
Speaker
And the Avengers are the darling one. There we go, Stan Lee. Your hero's in New York now. You know what I would have liked better if they got Gary Shandling to reprise his role from Iron Man 2 as that senator. Yeah. Because they got him to come in, what was it, Winter Soldier. Would have been cool if we got him there too.
02:24:15
Speaker
Have I mentioned how much I like that outfit that Thor is wearing? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they did a good job on his design. Yeah, you look at it. And I noticed they did, you know, you look at it and you can see both elements of Jack Kirby and Paul Simonson. And also the Ariel Olivetti, the more modern incarnation when he was doing it with Straczynski.
02:24:46
Speaker
Cause that's where the, that's where the arm armor came from. Smirk on Hawkeye's face. He's like, Oh yeah, he's in for shit. And the side of respect between Tony and Steve, Natasha keeping her word, letting banner go off on his own.
02:25:26
Speaker
I'm going to find out who that chick is. Right after I finish with you, I'm going to find out who that chick is.
02:25:46
Speaker
It shows the end of the battle, like it shows the devastation, like with Cap standing there and looking over the, that was actually used at the beginning of the movie originally. And it was Hill, and it was Hill giving a report to the Shadow Council. And then the movie, at the end, it goes back to
02:26:01
Speaker
It cuts back to Hill talking to the shadow counsel and then she gets them to kind of incriminate themselves that they launched the new and she's like recording it and then reveal that she's so it's kind of trying to set up this idea that she's trying to betray Fury, but she's actually working with them the whole time. So interesting. It's an interesting alternate take on that on it. Hmm.
02:26:24
Speaker
I like the rebuilding Stark Tower's Avengers Tower. It's setting up power. Finding the space for the Quinjet in there and everything. And of course, you got the, it's just like the way they can design this building where it even looks like a subtle A, the way it's constructed. Yeah, up there. Just left off with the A, yeah.
02:26:50
Speaker
And I love this thing we get here at the end, over the last credits, before the mid-credits scene, where we get the close-ups on the costumes, we see like the design, and also it's after the battle, right? Because you see how worn this stuff is. Yeah. And just like, you know, this theme, Alan Silvestri's theme, this is going to go down in history. This is going to be an iconic theme.
02:27:14
Speaker
That, you know what, that's probably one of the few, because outside of the Avengers theme, there's not really a lot of theme songs from MCU movies that I think that I can point at and say, okay, well, that's an iconic theme. Maybe Captain America, that kind of like March type theme that they play. Like when I hear that, I know that's Captain America.
02:27:40
Speaker
I can't remember the other song better from there. Oh, the man with the plan? That's what I'm sorry, that's what I remember. Star Spangled Banner with a plan. But yeah, but the Avengers theme, yeah, that's. And I realized that when I was watching the trailer for Infinity War, and they were playing kind of like a more somber version of the theme, and I'm just like, and you get, I can feel getting pumped up already. And as well, you watch in the middle of the movie when
02:28:08
Speaker
When Wanda and Vision are attacked, and Sam, Cap, and the Widow arrive, and the theme starts playing, that's like this huge build-up moment. Jenny or Gutter. That's who that is. Who was that? I just saw in the crate, Jenny or Gutter. That's who that is. From Logan's Run? I never saw Logan's Run, actually. You never saw Logan's Run? No. I'm surprised.
02:28:32
Speaker
Okay, well, okay. Look up Jenny a gutter. That's the woman in shadow cancel. That's okay. I just saw just, I don't know why I've never seen that before. Maybe because I'm actually looking and I'm not jumping up and down and screaming and cheering. I'm actually reading the credits for a change. That's who, okay. But that's who that is. That's Jenny a gutter. Okay. Now we come to the
02:28:57
Speaker
what will, what has now become standard for all MCU movies, we get a mid-credit sequence. And this kind of shows that they had a different, they had something more in line with the comics for Thanos originally. Yeah. Because his line here, all right, to challenge them is to court death. And then we get Thanos looking at the camera.
02:29:26
Speaker
and just like the smile on his face. So this is back when he, this is back when they're still using the whole thing about Thanos is in love with death. And that's a, you know, pre-roll in Thanos we got there. And you can just tell just from that, even just that one little
02:29:46
Speaker
bit that we see that this was very much more in line with the comic book version of Thanos than the one that we eventually got. Absolutely yeah. That they redesigned them a lot. But then but here um I believe that he was just CGI and later on of course he was played by Josh Brolin. Well they did have another they did have an actor playing him. Oh they did oh okay. Yeah just double checking.
02:30:12
Speaker
The original actor. Yeah, World Security Council, Powers Booth, and Jenny Agutta. Okay, yeah, they are credited. Yeah, okay. Kenneth Tigar. That's the name of the actor, the old man that stands up and defies Loki. Oh, okay. Kenneth Tigar. Look him up. This guy goes back to like the 1930s, 1940s. He's been around movies forever. Okay, so the original guy was,
02:30:40
Speaker
Damien Poitier. And something like that, yeah. No, it's spelled differently. Oh, okay. I'm not even sure. I'm probably not even pronouncing it right. Don't worry about it. He wants
Thanos Whitewashing Revelation
02:30:57
Speaker
to. But yeah, they replied to Damien Poitier by Tom Flout. And it was just basically the,
02:31:11
Speaker
the makeup and the helmet and the armor. And, let's see. Oh, so the original, so they whitewashed Thanos. The original Thanos was a black guy. Oh, they did. Cool. Yeah. And, oh, he was also in some of the other ones. He's a stunt man too. So he was in, he was in civil war too. So it looks like they still gave him stuff to do.
02:31:42
Speaker
Yeah, he was one of the guys working for crossbones in Civil War. Oh, okay. Was he in the elevator scene? No, that was Winter Soldier. Civil War, when they were in Africa in the beginning, he was one of the guys working with crossbones there.
02:32:02
Speaker
See, people always ask me, they say, well, how do you keep watching movies over and over again? I said, I have to, because after a while, I watched so many movies. I forget. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That happens to me all the time. Like, didn't I see that? Wasn't that in this movie or I remember something completely different? Yeah. Yeah.
02:32:23
Speaker
Jesus, the credits are so, so much work went in this movie. Now, while we're sitting through the credits, waiting for the end thing, I will tell you that I am one of these people that yeah, I sit through the credits. I sit through the credits. We'll go to movies and soon as the credit starts, my wife and about like 60% of the audience gets up and runs for the exit like somebody just hollered fire. I have no idea why people,
02:32:49
Speaker
uh or so although i can understand yeah these are very long credits and some people got to go to bathroom they got small bladders whatever like that people after they say what during why do you sit through the credits what's the point there is no point except for the fact that these are people that gave up a considerable amount of time to provide the entertainment i just watched and i don't think it's for me personally i don't think it's too much of a
02:33:13
Speaker
Hardship for me to sit there for a couple more minutes and just you know sit through the credits. Mm-hmm So that's my it's actually common in Japan It's very common in Japan for people to wait until the until the credits end and the lights come on the theaters. Yeah, it's just Well me I'm kind of anal like that because and Patricia will tell you if you ever meet her Oh God go into the moods with dirt I have to be in my seat with my popcorn and my snacks everything before the trailer start. Oh say I'm the same and I
02:33:43
Speaker
I hate getting it arriving after the trailer start. I don't go in. Oh, really? Nope. I listen. If the trailer's before we start everything, before I buy my ticket, I'll ask them. Have the trailer started? Oh, no. You've got plenty of time. OK, cool. And then I'm going. If they tell me trailer start, I don't go in. Oh, OK. Interesting. And I sit there, and I wait. Patricia, she'll go outside. She'll go to the lady's room, and she'll sit in the lobby. No, she'll talk on the phone, call her girlfriends, and wait.
02:34:13
Speaker
She'd be like, yeah, he's doing it again. Yeah, she's used to it. And I will sit there. But like I said, that's just me. I understand why people do. You know the only time I ever walked out on the credits? What was that? When I went to see Van Helsing.
02:34:29
Speaker
I'm surprised you didn't walk out earlier, actually. Yeah, but you know something? Okay, I sat through moves with long credits before, but Van Helsing was ridiculous. That shit was crazy. I mean, everything about Van Helsing was ridiculous. That movie was just terrible. I mean, poor Hugh Jackman, man. He was expecting to expand and do something other than Wolverine, and then they give him that piece of shit. Yeah, yeah, that wasn't... Why didn't... Oh, well, we were in Florida.
02:34:57
Speaker
Oh, Florida. Yeah, we were on vacation to Florida. So, you know, we were just looking for something to do anyway. And I really wasn't all that interested. I really wasn't all that interested in seeing it. Neither was Patricia. But, you know, it was like 100 degrees. And we drove by a movie theater. We had come from someplace else and we drove by a movie theater. And Patricia said, let's go to movies. I said, OK, cool. Let's go. And that was the we said, just give us a ticket to what's ever going to be playing next. It's over Van Helsing. OK, boom.
02:35:27
Speaker
But yeah, I got up and I walked
Spoiler and End Credits Scene
02:35:30
Speaker
out. I said, you know what, this is insane. I've never seen end credits this long. And I've seen some long end credits, but the ones for Van Helsing is the same. So yes, that's the only time I've ever walked out on credits.
02:35:43
Speaker
And here we go, we're just at the end of the credits now. So the thing with, there's actually a little story behind this extra credit scene, because the Thanos scene got spoiled, it got leaked, so then Whedon went back and he got everyone together to film this scene so they could put it in instead at the end. At the end of the day, it just utterly, totally beat. Like it's all gone. All gone, so it's like.
02:36:08
Speaker
He's gonna fall out the chair in a minute. Look at Cap, too. He looks half asleep himself. Yeah, yeah. Bruce Banner's all hunched over. Thor's just shoving like a whole thing in his mouth. All right, and that is the end of Avengers. Such a great ending. Amazing, amazing movie. Such a great ending to a movie. I mean, up until
02:36:35
Speaker
Up until endgame, that was bar none my favorite of the MCU. I am so glad that you will.
02:36:46
Speaker
Somebody picked it. I don't even want to say that. It was the fans who picked it. I don't even want to say our fans picked it. They disappointed me with this one. No, but really, but I'm glad that this one was picked. Because this is simply just so much fun to watch. Like I said, I watched it last night. And I got this one. I said, you know what? I'm going to watch it again. And I watched it again. And it's a movie that I could probably put on right now. I've watched it now. I could probably watch this thing again before. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
02:37:15
Speaker
I do a thing, too. Whenever I start falling down a rabbit hole whenever I watch this movie, because I'm like, I watch this one. I'm like, let's watch Age of Ultron and let's watch Civil War next. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I can I can see it's going to be Avengers movies in the next couple of because now, yeah, because now I want to watch Age of Ultron now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And of course, if I watch Age of Ultron, oh, well, what the hell? Might as well watch Infinity War. Exactly. Yeah. Just keep on going.
02:37:45
Speaker
And then, before I know it, it's three o'clock at the border. Exactly, yeah. Well, you go to bed already.
02:37:53
Speaker
But anyway, yeah, thank you. This was a lot of fun. I enjoyed it. This was, yeah, this was, this was a lot, it worked out a lot better than I thought it might have. Cause you know, this is a new type of thing we're trying out and it turned out, I think it worked out pretty well. I had a lot of fun doing this. Yeah, I thought, like you said, it worked out a lot better than I thought it would, but it was, I attributed to the company and subject matter. Yeah. I mean, that's one of the nice things is like,
02:38:19
Speaker
Because I don't actually think I've ever watched this movie with someone else who's as big a fan of comic books as like you are. Oh, okay. Because like, you know, so and so being it like being able to watch it have that kind of experience, like it's always a new experience when you watch a movie with someone else. But being able to watch it with someone who understands the source material and all that and you can, you can talk about things like you know, the helicarrier and Hawkeye's relationships and all that kind of stuff like it's
02:38:48
Speaker
It gives it a totally different experience watching this movie again. It most certainly did. You were throwing things in there. You made me look at the movie in a new way and see some things I hadn't saw before, which to me is the value of watching a movie with somebody else. Exactly, yeah. That other person is bringing other things to the movie and they point out, oh shit, I never thought about that before.
02:39:11
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, thank you. You know, we'll have to do this again, providing that, you know, this proves to be popular and more. Yeah, yeah, I think I think people probably like well, people like well, you know, let us know what you think. Let us know. And the comments here. Let us know on our Facebook group what what you think if you like this kind of format, if you want to see us do more commentaries like this. And obviously, I think we'd both be happy to do it. I'd be happy to do it. Just pick out a movie for us to watch and you know,
02:39:40
Speaker
We'll let you know. It depends on the movie. Depends on the movie, yeah. I don't know if we can do a live stream of steel.
02:39:50
Speaker
Oh, God. No, I know. You know what? I know I threatened it. And I say, you know what? I shouldn't do that shit because somebody will be crazy enough to take me up on it. What did you see? On the comments, some people are like, you know what? I kind of want to see you guys do that now. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you can't make suggestions to certain people because they'll take you up on it. They'll say, hey, OK, yeah, do that shit. You know, it's the truth. So. Oh, man. OK. All right. So do we have any final thoughts we wanted to say about Avengers?
02:40:19
Speaker
uh only that if you have not yet seen it uh i suggest that you watch it on your own first and then afterwards watch it again with our commentary have you got to the end of this episode by now then yeah no but i mean you know this is uh okay okay this uh this movie truly is
Avengers' Impact on Superhero Cinema
02:40:46
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an event in every sense of the word because we had never seen a superhero movie like, I mean, you thought you never saw a superhero movie before when you got Superman and you got Iron Man and you got Batman. This is a quantum level leap in what a superhero movie
02:41:04
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could be absolutely absolutely never seen anything like this before and it was done with a level of professionalism and style and exuberance and fun that really to me define when you talk about a movie that's an event it's the avengers absolutely yeah definitely well said just you know it hats off to i know we've you know fallen down had a fall from grace recently with all stuff that's come out about him in recent years but
02:41:33
Speaker
I mean, nothing can take away from just what an amazing piece of work he did with this movie. And can I just say something real quick on that? Because yeah, because I know I've got some people that are out there saying, well, don't just Sweden. Well, how can you watch these movies over?
02:41:49
Speaker
Listen, it's not just Joss Whedon. There's a whole bunch of other talented people in this movie, in front of the camera, behind the camera, got nothing to do with Joss Whedon. So what, I'm supposed to just not watch the movie altogether and throw them out as well as him? No, I'm not prepared to do that. It's just that simple. I'm not. Yeah, okay. Like you said, okay.
02:42:13
Speaker
We see that the cat is kind of hinky, but there's a lot of talented people that worked on this movie and their work does not deserve to be thrown out. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, even if you're just looking at the cast alone, I mean, this cast is unbelievable. Exactly. You know, never was a cast of such talent like this put together for a superhero movie. No, absolutely not.
02:42:37
Speaker
This was a superhero movie that was treated with the same respect that a Francis Ford Coppola movie is given. Or George, well, maybe not George Lucas. Old George Lucas, maybe. But you know what I mean. This was given a level of respect. And this movie surprised a lot of people when they saw it. Because a lot of people swore this movie could never be pulled off. Oh, yeah. I was one of them. I was one of them. I thought, in fact, I remember way back when
02:43:06
Speaker
Buddy, whenever we talked about superhero movies, it was always like, what about Avengers? Oh, they'll never be able to do Avengers.
02:43:13
Speaker
And I, and I have learned with Avengers and with Black Panthers to stop saying, well, they can't do that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't say that shit anymore. I don't because apparently they can do it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so I've learned to stop saying that, but yeah, Avengers is a movie that, I mean, it's a movie I never get tired of. Look, I don't believe if I'm lived to be 90 years old, I'll still be watching Avengers.
02:43:38
Speaker
Oh, I'm gonna tell you right now, like, my daughter is gonna grow up watching these movies. She's gonna be able to recite them by the time she's able to speak. Good man. Yeah. Good man. Gotta hook them while they're young. Yeah, seriously. Hey, drug dealers do it. No, yeah. I'm not movie fans. That's how I got to the gap. That's how I got to love movies. My parents took me when I was young. Yeah.
02:44:03
Speaker
Okay, so that does it for this special 50 episodes, man. Can you believe it? 50 episodes we've been doing this show.
Podcast Milestone & Superman Documentary
02:44:14
Speaker
50 episodes? Oh my god. And it's been a lot of fun. Like I've had so I look forward to doing this show every week now.
02:44:20
Speaker
Yeah, you know what? This has been a lot of fun. You know, I always said, you know, I'm never going to do another podcast again. And people say, well, how did you get to do this one? I said, I have absolutely no idea. But I said, next thing I know, I've done five episodes, I've done 10 episodes. I said, now I've done 50. I say, I don't know. But I don't regret a single moment of that. This has been a lot of fun. Yeah, absolutely.
02:44:50
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Okay, so now we got a pick we're gonna watch for the next episode. So let's see, you requested New Mutants, I did Iron Man, and then, you know, fans voted on Avengers. So I guess we'll toss it back to you if you got a pick ready. No.
02:45:06
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Nope. Okay. So then I will, then I got something. I got it. I tell you what you go ahead. Yeah, you go ahead and pick and I'll definitely have some ready for next time. Cause I don't want to come up with something just off top of my head. So I thought we do something unique, something completely different from what we've done before. And instead of doing a regular superhero movie, I thought we'd look at a superhero movie documentary. And so I want to look at what happened. The death of Superman lives.
02:45:34
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Oh, okay. So this is a, this is a, this is the one about, uh, the one that Nicholas Cage was supposed to do, right? Yeah. Yeah. This is a, this is a documentary. It was a crowdfunded documentary, actually. So it was crowdfunded. And, um, guy was, cause we've had stories circling around for years about this movie that never happened. Right. And you know, we've had Kevin Smith's, you know, doing his amazing stand up routine about it, basically.
02:46:00
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Oh man, I love that movie when he does that, and I've seen that routine, I don't know how many times, and that's like Richard Pryor level humor, it really is. Yeah, and he's in that too, and Tim Burns in it, and they were able to interview almost everybody who was involved in some form in this movie.
02:46:18
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really you know what you know what i've heard about this but i've never seen it i'm glad you picked this now gives me an excuse to stop bullshitting around and sit down and actually watch it because i think you'll yeah i think you'll definitely the interesting thing is like
02:46:32
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I was very curious going into watching the movie. And after the movie, after I finished watching the documentary, all I could think was, Superman Lives would have been an absolute train wreck, but I kind of wanted to wish I had been able to see it. You know, that's what everybody says. Everybody says, yeah, that movie would have been a, they said it would have been a God awful mess. But at the same time, they said, but you know what? I really want to see that. Yeah. All right. Okay. So, um,
02:47:00
Speaker
Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. If you're still listening on the podcast feed, if you're new to us through YouTube, welcome to the show. Hope you enjoy it. Oh, one thing I should plug real quickly, All American Sports Stories, published by Airship 27. I have a novella in there called Brooklyn Beatdown. It's a boxing story. So go ahead. I was gonna say, your old Brooklyn Beatdown, that was part of the
02:47:27
Speaker
That was originally published as a standalone, wasn't it? Yeah, that was originally published as part of a series of books called The Fight Card. That was it, yeah.
02:47:37
Speaker
And what had happened was that Ron Fortier of Airship 27 said, well, you know, I have an anthology series I have with sports stories. He said, and I like to, you know, reprint, you know, your book as part of it, you know, which I say, yeah, go ahead, take it. Don't worry about it. So anyway, so it's in there along with two other fine stories, one written by Ron, other one written by, I cannot think of the name of the other gentlemen there. I hope you will forgive me. But yeah, if,
02:48:07
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I heartily recommend it, if for nothing else, then I write one hell of a boxing story. And I hope to have some more news coming in another couple of weeks about something else I did, but we'll see. But anyway, that's something new I got out there. If you guys want something to read.
02:48:26
Speaker
Absolutely. Yeah. If you guys haven't checked out Derek's work, definitely go do that. You can check out my stuff as well. Oh, you go to our website, superherosintefiles.com. We got links to all that stuff. You just go over there. We got a special section where you can find our different websites, our different writing work.
02:48:42
Speaker
All that stuff you can find right there, easy to access. We're on Facebook. We got a Facebook group, Superhero Cinephiles. Just do a search for it. It should pop right up. And I imagine you can follow us on Facebook, on Twitter, on Instagram, Supercinemapod for both of those. If you go to the website, you can talk us, toss us a few bucks, either through Patreon or through PayPal. Help us keep the lights on.
02:49:05
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And yeah, let us know what you think of this episode. Let us know if you want to do some more. If you're on YouTube, go ahead and comment right below. And we will be back next week when we talk about what happened, the death of Superman lives. Okay. Thank you very much for listening and watching. God bless. Test negative, stay positive. There you go. Good way to end it. And don't forget, wear a mask. You have been listening to the Superhero Cinephiles podcast.
02:49:35
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