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OPE S2 Episode 63 Top 5 Musical Acts with Matt Pickett
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Aloha and welcome to another episode of OPE! This week we are joined by Matt Pickett from the Hey! We Like Your Pod! podcast! We finally have some Packers news to Share and we give our top 5 singers, bands, ensembles, etc! Please be sure to like and subscribe and also make sure to check out our merch store over at ohanapackers.org/store
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Kenny Clark's Contract Extension Discussion
00:00:25
Speaker
Aloha and welcome back to another episode of the AHANA Packers Edition podcast where we welcome Matt Pickett of Hey We Like Your Pod pod into today's episode as we Joe and I do another top five recap because the Packers have Hold on. They have done something today. They've extended Kenny Clark for three years $64 million dollars Joe, we finally have Packers news for the first time in what feels like months. It might have been months actually yeah but i sent out the good old clarion call i said packers content creators unite we actually have news um this is i mean this is obviously not the contract a lot of people were expecting
00:01:07
Speaker
and A lot of people were worried that maybe this one doesn't get done because it is a third contract for Kenny and the Packers haven't had the greatest of luck when it comes to third contracts with their players, but I Mean he's still 28 It feels like he's been in the league for a hundred years now and he's still playing at an elite level there was no doubt that they needed to bring him but like oh Mike said We'd love to have you on here,
Podcast Guest Appearances and Humor
00:01:34
Speaker
Matt. It's been, you know, it's been a while since you've been on our podcast. So we had to make sure that although you are in the, in a rough seat because you're following Tom Grassi. So I know, I know. I thought about that. I was like, man, I guess this is how they follow up Tom Grassi. I don't know. That's crazy. but
00:01:54
Speaker
I really do. i I struggled with it because it's like, how do you follow? I thought about shutting the podcast down right there because I don't follow Tom Grassi. I mean. And good night, people. That's the end of the final episode. oh finale yeah Yeah, you know, it's funny you said
Packers' History with Third Contracts
00:02:09
Speaker
that. um the Packers haven't had good luck with third contracts. I think it's more the Packers players haven't had good luck with getting third contracts from the pads. And that has often been the right move because you see the players go on, you know, it seems like a year too early, like we was talking about. No, it's actually exactly when you should have done it because they, they you know, maybe we have a year left and so we didn't give them three years.
00:02:30
Speaker
And that's good because it would have been like, you know, a bunch of wasted time, uh, could they flame out after a year? But I think that is the the point you make about Kenny Clark being still really young. I mean, he's, he's actually like 23, isn't he? He's like 22. So, um, you know, yeah a baby, ah just a baby, this guy. So, um, yeah, I think some champagne, he can find my very own.
00:02:53
Speaker
So I do think that like it was the right move. I was worried they would just kind of cast them aside like they tend to do, you know, cause they don't like those third contracts. I'm really glad to see that, you know, everyone, everyone loves Kenny. He's amazing. And he's just such like a good like Packers person. Um, you know, remember the community, uh, leader on the team does things. How do I say that? The phrase you always hear is like goes about his business the right way, you know? Um, so you love to see that it's good. It's good stuff. It's good news. When I, when it broke just before we started here about what couple of hours, maybe before we started, I was like, mike that They did that. They did that for for you guys did it for OPE. yeah Yeah, that's the truth. They knew we were we were begging for somebody to drop some kind of Packers news just so we could have ah have a conversation about it. But yeah, I mean,
00:03:39
Speaker
ah Like you said, they are kind of selective on who they give third contracts to, but the ones that they've given... but Well, I mean, they have given third context contracts out to people. I mean, um the obvious one that sticks out right now is Bakhtiari. And they gave him the third contract, immediately he destroys me, and and we have no clue if he's even gonna play again. I mean, he still wants to, and he's going through rehab and all that, but who knows what's going on there. um You know, Rogers is another one. You can say he got, you know, another contract after his second big one.
Aaron Rodgers' Contract Confusion
00:04:18
Speaker
ah Did he get the fourth or was it just the third that he got? I don't know the timeline well enough to say. Do you know, Mike?
00:04:26
Speaker
I think it's technically a fourth because he signed the, so he had his rookie contract signed the 2011 or the 2008 one that was the super underrated contract. Then he signed the one right after Clay signed his extension and then signed the one that made him really hard to trade. So I think technically it's four. And then like you get into the weeds of like, is it a fifth one because it's like a renegotiation of the fourth one kind of thing. So it's somewhere in that like fourth, fifth, you know, like when you get into like how many degrees of separation do you have on one side of your family kind of thing. And it's like, it's a fourth on one side. It's a fourth on your grandfather's and a fifth on your grandmother's. So it's like you you round up or down based on which side it is kind
Impact of Kenny Clark's Extension on Defense
00:05:15
Speaker
of thing. So, hey man, Bob's your uncle and Dr. T's cross your eyes and yeah, we're there.
00:05:22
Speaker
oh I mean they are very very picky on who they give the third contracts to but the ones that they've given You can argue haven't been ah Because with the Rogers one towards the last couple of contracts, it's been okay. Well, you know, is he still at level or is he still, you know, capable of living up to the contract and then Bakhtiari and all that. So, but yeah, Kenny, great, you know, wishing him a lot of luck and glad. i ive This one I was kind of more certain on just because of
00:06:00
Speaker
At the end of this season, they're going to have a lot of empty spots on that defensive line. And so somebody was going to have to be re-signed. Yeah, and we talked about that. um We talked about that after the draft, before the draft, after the draft, where basically the way that their D-line was set up before you extend Kenny is you have no run defenders under contract for the 2025 season um at this point. So this re-establishes that they do have an answer moving forward in terms of their run defense.
00:06:33
Speaker
Switching to the 4-3 is going to make another, you know, it's going to impact that as well. But I do wonder if you still see a Slayton extension, you know, something, you know, especially if they can quote unquote team friendly it and stuff. um But it'll be interesting to see what Goot and Russ Ball try to do here moving forward, because you do want to lock in that um interior D alignment, because it is it's hard to find and develop those kind of guys, because it, you know, you've seen it with Slayton where it takes time. Kenny is kind of a um He's a little bit of ah a unicorn in that sense where it took him his rookie season that he's been pretty consistently good the rest of the way. so
00:07:12
Speaker
So, um, yeah, I think it's just, I think it's a good smart move. I think that, you know, and the way that this contract pays out, Kenny, he is, hold on. I think this could like the 12th highest paid. Yeah, exactly. So the top right now is Chris Jones, who's his classmate from the draft and is two years older than Kit. One or two years older. I think they're like, he's either like 18 months to two years older than Kenny. And then, um, So yeah, he's basically making $10 million dollars a year more than Kenny is. And so, you know, yeah, you're taking a chance that you're paying Kenny into his early 30s, but his style of play and, you know, that's what's good about it is that um the the good side of it is Kenny's game isn't
00:07:57
Speaker
super dependent on like elite athleticism or, you know, in elite, yeah his elite trait is that he's just steady. Like, and I know that doesn't sound sexy or exciting, but it's like, hey, here's just a guy that, you know, he's going to do his job. And especially in this new defensive scheme, which is going to allow him to one gap everything. It's like,
Future Contracts and Roster Stability
00:08:16
Speaker
okay, it's him against his man. There's no like, okay, he's got extra stuff on his plate. And ideally you're giving him reduced snap numbers. Cause you know, you have, um, You have the young guys that are coming up that you trust and all, you know, hopefully why it takes another step. Um, and the rest of the guys in that room. But yeah, you, you kind of just playing the odds that Kenny's going to still be, you know, he'll be diminished slightly because of age, but maybe the new scheme improved play of the guys around him. Cause really the best player he's played with on the interior D line was in aging Mike Daniels for the first couple of years of his career. And
00:08:54
Speaker
honestly kind of been it in terms of interior D linemen that have played next to Kenny. So you're hoping that the guys who have flashed in the last couple of years, you know, Carl Brooks, Devontae Wyatt, that they can take the next step, that, you know, Slayton or whoever you bring in and next year to be that, you know, predominant run stuff for those guys are going to take, you know, it's going to take different kinds of whether it's the snap count, the double teaming, all of those kind of things are going to limit different kinds of um mileage off of Kenny's body. And you keep him as fresh as you can moving into his early thirties. And
00:09:28
Speaker
I know we're sitting here talking about him getting a third contract, but dare I say if it works out, if Halfly works out and some of these younger guys work out, you might see Kenny in position to get one more two to three year deal kind of thing and stuff. But those are those are questions for 2027, Mike and Joe. bridges when we get to it. But honestly, it just from, you know, happy for Kenny. But if, um you know, like we said, it's not the contract we were all looking for. But from a Packers fan, if you're looking at roster construction, this is something that you'd be very pleased with going into the 2024 season.
00:10:06
Speaker
Yeah, sure. I mean, for me, it was like contract one B I was looking for. I've likeve been really kind of waiting about this one. I actually thought we'd hear it before Jordan loves. So I wasn't too surprised that it came out when it did. But, you know, Mike, your take of like possibly looking at, you know, maybe someday a fourth contract for Kenny Clark. Like that's a spicy take and I'm here for it. I love that. Well, with this oldest Kenny or as young as Kenny is, he'll be playing when the young one over there takes over the open network.
00:10:35
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He'll still be on the s sticker at that point.
00:10:40
Speaker
When any stickers are being sold in the open networks shop. but yeah I was thinking the same thing. I just didn't say it that if you think about it, they gave him a three year deal. He'll still only be like 31 or 32 when that's up. So if he can and. The good thing about a 4-3 is D linemen tend to have a longer career than you know most other players. I mean, ah who was it that just... Oh, who was the one that was still working out for teams and he's been in the league forever? um Did he just sign
Top Five Music Acts Discussion
00:11:22
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with the Ravens?
00:11:24
Speaker
oh Oh, crud. God, I can't think of his name now. He's a defensive... The sounds you guys are making, trying to remember. I'm not sure you're talking about, unfortunately. I wish I could help more, but... I think he was with the Cardinals for the longest time. Help me out, Mike. You're supposed to be the memory of this group. Cred, hold on. No.
00:11:53
Speaker
um and I'm totally... i know I know, but I'm also totally blanking. This is riveting rate. Uh, I know. Right. Right. Right. Right here. is awesome we We come in so prepared.
00:12:11
Speaker
so custom Tucker. No, that's the kicker. Uh, Brett urban. ah Yeah. That's one of them, but there was another one that Maybe he didn't sign with Ravens. Maybe it was the Dolphins. But the anyway, what I'm getting at is these defensive linemen tend to last longer in the league than most others. And other than you know some ticky tacky things with like ac ah not ACL, ah groin and hamstring and that. Kenny's never really had major injury issues. Yeah, he said the nagging stuff, but he hasn't really missed time. Like it's been limited, but there kind of thing.
00:12:55
Speaker
And if I think of the name, I will make sure to put it on our socials, because it's going to bug me the rest of the frigging night. But anyway, that's not what we're here for. It was just a lucky coincidence that that happened on the night that we were going to be recording. It's that important that we will divert 13 minutes of a pod to congratulating him on his third contract, because we love the big dancing there, the Golden Bruins. So congratulations, Kenny. We're happy for you to be back for another three years, in addition to this year. and We expect big things from him moving forward, but we have brought Matt Wicket on the show to go over, like I said, another riveting top five. And if my daughter will stop turning my volume off on my headphones, we're going to get right to it. Hey, she's got an opinion too, man. She's got an opinion too. She's telling me what she's trying to tell me is that my music choices absolutely are trash and not to be fair. blasting my J-pop or video game music when I come to pick her up from her stuff in 12 years and embarrass her in front of her friends. But that's a little light preview of my list that we'll be coming up with. But today it's top five musical acts, groups, singers, whatever. As we've done with so many of these, it is take it and make it what you want it to be. Matt, we're happy to have you on here. And as Joe kind of alluded to,
00:14:15
Speaker
There's some preparation and then there will be the inevitable. Oh, shit. I forgot to add that guy to my list or that girl or that group. So do not fear, Matt. If you hem and haw like you were worried about or think, oh, that was a good choice. I doubt any of mine will be that kind of thought provoking. But yeah um well like we were talking about before starting to record. there's just so many out there that could be considered you know you know top fives. Even though this is great content for the offseason top fives, a lot of these topics are hard to just narrow down to five, whatever, groups, acts, whatever. um There's just so much of it out there that can be considered because
00:15:03
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I mean, music goes back since to to like the Donna Man. I mean, you know, you had the Neanderthal
Matt Pickett's Music Background
00:15:09
Speaker
over there pounding on a rock, making some kind of musical rhythm out of it. It just happens. and So I'm sure even though I have my five wrote down that I may, you know, somebody will say something that'll jog a memory. It's like, okay, I got to add this person to take this one out. And just making my list earlier, I've checked it a hundred different times and subtracted one and added another and no, I better do this.
00:15:35
Speaker
So like we normally do, we always let the guests go first. ah You don't have to do it in any specific order. I'm going to do mine from five to one. So then that's up to you how you want to do it. But we'll just round rob it and you give us your first your your your first one. and Okay. Well, I'll do mine chronologically actually from like when they first came on the scene to the modern era. And I'll also mention for those who don't know much about me, I was actually a band teacher for 13 years before I had my current job, which I talk about on my podcast. Hey, we like your pod. Um, I'm currently work as an academic advisor at the university of Cincinnati, but suffice to say I have degrees in trombone and performance. That's my name, Matt trombone on Twitter and also music education.
00:16:17
Speaker
So, um, you know, I think that's probably why you guys asked to do or asked me to do music for, for you with this one. So, so if you are wondering like what it, why, who's this guy, but what grounds does he have to say not to talk about music? Well, well, it's not just that we just love Matt and Matt had to come back. We always enjoy a man with a properly. you properly lubed up a slide and a properly consistently emptied spit valve on his trombone and i'm glad you didn't have a break here because that was sounding really bad at the moment so i mean i can i can do it in all seven positions so absolutely do you have do you play the trombone with the extra trigger for the lower octaves or do you play yes of course man
00:16:59
Speaker
all right yeah god i think mike played the trombone and i didn't even know it you know i played i played tenor sax but where we sat in our bed he sat in front of the trombone so yeah lots of we sat in front of the trombones and to the left of the baritone so lots of fun lots of fun conversation amongst friends there i said yeah those are That's the fun part of the of any ensemble is the low brass. like yeah They're silly and they're friendly without being destructive like the percussionists are. so Yeah, that's ah that's a good good people to ah hang with for sure during rehearsals. I spent two years in elementary playing saxs the alto sax, but that's as far as it went for me. It's never too late to pick it back up, Joe. Yeah, I know. That's what I hear. next
00:17:48
Speaker
So my first one, all right. So I said chronologically, my first, end and just again, is it it's musical acts, right? It can be singers, act, make that whatever you want. If you say Lisa Simpson, we will take it. ah one the reason i said just broad generalized musical acts is because you know if I would have just said singers then you could have thought okay well we're gonna leave out actual bands or if I would have said bands that leaves out like the solo singer so musical acts if you just or if you like a musical um a stage musical and you love that ensemble go for it or like Mike said Lisa Simpson
00:18:27
Speaker
Yeah so I asked the question specifically not just to clarify for myself like I already had that but really it's for the for the listeners so they know kind of what we're coming from. See Mike pe Matt leads this show better than we do Mike.
00:18:41
Speaker
This is why we bring guests on to add and add an air of sophistication that neither of us can properly bring. Well, here I'll hit you with some sophistication right here, you guys. All right. So my first one and chronologically is the Belarus Syria Diagilev's ballet company from the early 20th century, um especially because the time that they had um ah Nijinsky as the choreographer, he was very, um the the stuff that is very provocative and very um Well, inside of like actual crowds in the in the performances to start screaming at the at the performers, like when you take the ah performance of the Rite of Spring, the premiere of the Rite of Spring in Paris, um the the performance was so inflammatory because the music was so like new and weird and and strident and and almost like combative to the listener.
00:19:30
Speaker
that it was literally people screaming at the stage and it was not just the orchestra music was weird but also that the choreography that Nijinsky had developed for that was so like this new sort of brutal you know caveman looking like an you know primal sort of thing that that like the you know the refined french audiences just they they were up in arms so half the you know, a theater loved it. Half the theater hated it. And it was just, it was the most insane scene. If there's one concert, if you don't call it a concert, if there's one concert, I could go back to see it in my entire life. That is i not my in my life but and know in history, that is that go back to it'd be that one right there. Because just to see the chaos kind of like, you know, unfolding inside this, you know, inside this like formal concert hall.
00:20:12
Speaker
It has to have been amazing. So number one, number one with the bullet, the belly roost, Sergey Diagov and the Jinsky. I don't know how we go on from that because Matt just like blew this show wide open with with the out there choice. um I would have never thought of that here. I thought I was going to have some, you know, sophisticated little add ins on mine and Matt just punted mine out the end zone. ah Well, my other frog me like ah fart jokes, so don't worry about it So that that is hey you got to go now Mike because you got to follow that one All right, well mine are not in any sort of order so mine are just gonna be reactionary to everyone else's and has to go off of a great a great um
00:21:03
Speaker
a doctor or you know like like what Matt just introduced. I don't even know how to properly properly quantify. I'm going with Japanese composer Nobuo Uematsu. And if you're sitting there wondering, who the hell did Mike just pick some Japanese guy with the last name that I'll never spell correctly? Nobuo Uematsu is one of the lead composers for Square. Originally Square now is Squaresoft, which is the developer for the Final Fantasy string of games. um you know That's their mainstream. uh the Kingdom Hearts line they're they're um linked with Kingdom Hearts with Disney um and Nobuo Uematsu has you know he has composed and led the um square orchestra or a square symphony through the soundtracks of many of their biggest games a lot of you know like Final Fantasy 7 which is doing it's going through its remake um and is doing basically reimaginations of the original soundtrack uh Kingdom Hearts is bringing out its fourth game
00:22:01
Speaker
hopefully by the time that I'm still able to see the TV screen when I play on my PS, whatever edition is on. um But he just, you know, it's I think I think what, you know, if you enjoy like soundtracks of any movie TV show, video games are no different. There's a story to be told. um You know, soundtrack music is used to do anything from fill in the, you know, fill in the gaps in the story to, um you know, increase the height in the you know the heightening of the plot and um just you know crescendo with you know the the um the rise in you know just the pace of the storytelling um all those kind of things can be queued in from sound tracking and Uematsu has um just he has put together a an incredible um body of work
00:22:52
Speaker
whether it's um just like title screen music, dearly beloved from the Kingdom Hearts games, or any of the battle music from like the Final Fantasy games or even something as simple as like the little victory tones, which um I'm sure people around you have probably had on their phones and you're kind of just like, what the hell is that? But um it's it's one of those where it's like, it gives another it gives another dimension of depth to video games that I have grown up with and loved and the music is as identifiable to the video game as it is with any of the characters, the storytelling, box art, whatever angle you want to look at it. The music is just as um integral of a part and Oyamatsu has had a profound um
00:23:38
Speaker
profound impact on not just the games he's done but also like um just his contemporaries because they do you know like people people will joke that you know so you can tell which you know movie soundtrack composers work with each other because it's like that sounds like that or you know they must be friendly because his his thing for this sounds like his thing for that and stuff or you get the ones where um you know Han Zimmer is like, hey, I'm working on like four movies, so two of them, I might piggyback a little bit and you'll have you know this and that kind of thing. so um And Uematsu is just doing it in a different countries. So yeah, that's my first choice, Nobuo Uematsu. Mike, I love that because you know I feel like there's been more of a legitimization of
00:24:23
Speaker
um video game music as being something worth hearing outside of just like while you're playing it, you know, I feel like in the last 10 years especially seen like orchestras actually playing scores from video games and that's been cool to see because like the the The idea that we should say that this isn't as worthy of people's attention and time and and you know and money put into it is silly because it's like, these are just composers. Whether they're composing you know a jingle or or a symphony or music for a score for something, whatever it is, like these are all people who are working hard through the creative process to develop something. And you know the kind of work that goes into scoring a video game, it i
00:25:00
Speaker
It baffles me to like see what all goes into it. And and ah you know ah just like a great film score makes the movie, um a great video game score makes such a big difference. And even just like the the the sort of indelible you know um impressions they can make on our minds. like Think about just the original Super Mario Brothers theme. you know Everyone can sing it from memory. um I've arranged it for various ensembles you know my time as a teacher and stuff like that. like Some of this is some some really amazing music. So just bringing that into the conversation, Mike, respect. I'm all for it. I'm a gamer. Some of the best music you can hear is out of a video game. So matter of fact, I remember, oh, what game was it? Twisted Metal 4 was one of the first games that you could actually pop out of your PlayStation, put it into your CD player, and you could get the soundtrack off of it. And so, I mean, that's just how far things got into it. But yeah, video game orchestration,
00:26:00
Speaker
is on par with like movie and tv show orchestration because yeah like mike was saying it helps build the drama it helps you know ah you know when something's scary there's you know they' you're not going to have you know a circus tune playing you want something that's going to build that terror with it and yeah so i can go with it and Got it. So now this is the first of many re rewrites on my list, probably, because I didn't know you guys were going to go that deep into things. So I had to cheat. I have to go with my number five. And if we're going to go with orchestrations and scores and that, and you're going to leave out John Williams, and there's something wrong with you.
00:26:44
Speaker
Because that man is a genius. And it's not just Star Wars. He's done Indiana Jones. He's done many TV shows. make your spiel bur movie let's Pick Just pick a Spielberg movie. And I mean, that music is timeless. And everybody, even if they don't know the movies that well, they still know the style of music that's being played if it's played around them or, you know, there's, ah I think they still do it where
00:27:18
Speaker
It's a orchestra that travels around either the country or the world or whatever, and they play the live score during the movies. and and Or they just take clips from the movies and play it while they're playing the score and stuff like that. And you don't see that with much other, you know many other movie type things or TV shows. But what do you see it with? John Williams, Star Wars. Yeah, see, she agrees.
00:27:53
Speaker
Imperial Stormtrooper marches. Is there a theme music in life? so and Well, that's the thing. Everybody knows a piece of the music, whether they know what it's to or not. And when you want to talk about top artists, musicians, band leaders, whatever you want to talk about. If you leave John Williams out here, you're you don't know what you're talking about. Good call.
00:28:26
Speaker
We see the most popular melodies you can imagine in our pop culture. And I think what I've always appreciated about Williams is like, obviously, you know, there's, like I said, just pick a Spielberg movie and it's almost guaranteed to be Williams's work. But like, you hear the story about Chris Columbus saying like, ah, you know, he's doing the first Harry Potter music. He's like, I need someone to do part of the soundtrack. He's like, I'll just write a quick one off to John Williams. He'll never say yes, says yes, writes Hedwig's theme song. this oh it's sort of that like there's moments where obviously williams you know he had to make it in any kind of role in hollywood you have to have your connections and obviously he has some absolutely f great ones where you know he's tied like i said spielberg lucas you know he's tied to those but just
00:29:17
Speaker
I feel like a part of the reverence I have for him, kind of like what you're alluding to, um Joe, is that he's kind of just been gung-ho for anything and everything in his career. And honestly, like, I know that he had the, you know, he has obviously just the bucket loads of balls to rest on. But, um I mean, you look at the movies, he scored, and it's like, how How do you go from this to that to there to everything? And and I think my favorite one is the story that Spielberg tells about when Williams ah brought him the jaw, you know, the jaws that... Then he says Spielberg thought he was joking, he's playing a prank on him. And john Williams is like, no, that's it. That's the that's your fucking shark.
00:30:01
Speaker
And he's like, okay, wait, sorry, play it again. i You know, Spielberg had to, like, compose himself. And I was like, all right, play it again. And then he's like, oh, shit, that's it. That's it kind of thing. So, yeah, to like it's. Yeah, like you said, Joe, a career. And I can't believe that he's 92 already. But what a life. What a career for John Williams. Well, and just going through a lot of the stuff that he's done, I mean, obviously ah everything, Star Wars, um And everything, ah Indiana Jones, I think the story is that he retired. Then they decided they were making another Indiana Jones movie and said, all right, I'll come to it. Yeah, that's fine. And ah then there's a the Jurassic Park movies. He scored the Jurassic Park movies.
00:30:53
Speaker
um like you said the harry potters there's i want to say and that's what i wanted to start looking for because he's even done some that you wouldn't even have thought that he would have done um there's superman he's done the superman movies um goonies i'm pretty sure he's the one that did the score for the goonies too Patriot. Right. i've I've forgotten that. That's a good one. He did the Patriot saving Private Ryan. I'm trying to find it, but he's done so much. It's hard to find all the ones that he's done. JFK. don't and and and know But I'm pretty sure Ferris Bueller, he worked on Ferris Bueller.
00:31:44
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ah That's actually John. win's going
00:31:50
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maybe i was wrong maybe he didn't do goonies maybe it was superman instead of goonies he definitely did superman yeah no i'm not seeing doonies so i was wrong but ferris bueller how would would you have thought he would have done anything on ferris bueller uncredited on empire of the sun like yeah yeah So but no, I thought he was maybe it was somebody else that did goonies and he's in the same level but all right matt After my ramblings, let's go with your your next one Sure, my number two. Um, how can you not talk about lewis armstrong because the entire like history of jazz funnels up to him threw him and then out of him because the the sort of like
00:32:39
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presence and hold he had on like the development of jazz when he was at like the peak of his powers and like the 20s and into the 30s was such that everybody was listening to him. Everybody was copying his style. Everybody was taking his articulation and his sense of swing and how to like play the music and and was taking it and drawing from that. You you know, you talk to like, ah you talk to Miles Davis. You can't. He's dead. You can't talk about this. But Miles Davis has said in interviews that like his playing is directly like just from Louis Armstrong. So somebody as influential as Miles Davis, who then everybody else is like you know i'm taking direction from you know and taking cues from and and and you know following, because he was such a leader in the various permutations he went through throughout his
00:33:22
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you know, journey as a jazz musician. Like you see like these, the way how like the the brand just kind of shoot out and they all come down to the to the very root to Louis Armstrong. Like the stuff before him was kind of like various kinds of like proto jazz things, but he took those and like became like the, the voice, the the sort of incubator, the um the catalyst for all of it, you know? the the root, ultimately. And so if we're going to say like, you know, what's the act? Well, at the time, kind of where he was doing his foundational work that became really kind of popular was with his hot fives and then later hot sevens, which was the name or the number of people in the group at the time, roughly. But you have like the trauma on his kid, Ori, his wife played piano a little hard. And you had um who else was in the group? um
00:34:07
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I should know some of these off the top of my head. Johnny Dodds on clarinet, I think, was in there in the beginning. So some like really important music that established what jazz would become, which in turn, of course, also influenced other kinds of music yeah that plays into the development of like popular music as well. And then just kind of spins out all over the place. So like to see the music as we know it today as far as popular music in the in the 21st century in the US would not be at all what it is now if not for Louis Armstrong. So that would be my number two chronologically. And you got to say his most well known song is What a Wonderful World and it's still getting played on everywhere.
00:34:46
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his most well-known song is not a bad song, but I say, unfortunately, because, you know, um, yeah, that that was like, that was, this is, um, I just called to say you say, I love you. You know, that's what that is basically. his yeah know serupy popist It's a great song. We actually sing it to our kids at bedtimes. Sometimes but you know, it's so different from like yeah, like his his his seminal foundational work. It is a lovely song It is always most popular and I agree. that's great Yeah Well, I it's just meaning that that keeps his name around for people to know because that song still getting play on You know whether it's in a movie a TV show or even a friggin commercial, you know, they're still playing that I I'm
00:35:24
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I know who he is. um I've heard his music because, like I said, I listen to a lot of things, but I don't always put two and two together to say, OK, well, you know that. But I do know he was also a trumpet player. Oh, yeah, primarily a cornet. But yeah. um Yeah. So it's funny. It's like when you say, like why don't like when people think of his music, of course you're going to think of that because people aren't going to be like, oh, you know, I was listening to West End Blues yesterday. I was listening to Beale Street Blues. I was listening to, you know, like, of course, you know, you're right. Like that's the song he's known for at this point. But um yeah, it's it's funny you say that joke because it's like so much of his important music I'm talking about is mostly forgotten by the general public at this point. It's just kind of become, you know, such like a foundational thing layers back. But yeah, what's he known for?
00:36:08
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world yeah beautiful song and and you know I I mean I've seen like old videos of him too because he he was very recognizable because he had that big puffy cheeks and that deep gravelly voice and stuff like that but you know there's a Every so often when I feel like the mood, I think it's on Friday nights, late night, it's on one of our NPR stations where they have blue, it's called Blues After Midnight. And they play like pre-World War II era, like music.
00:36:44
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and you know like I said I don't always put two and two together say oh yeah yeah that's that's Louie or that's Miles or whatever but I can sit there and listen to it all the way you know I drive 25 minutes home so you know I can fit a full 25 minutes and just listen to that stuff in a drive and Yeah. it's That era is one of the probably the purest eras of music you can have because it's just coming out of the like the big classical ballroom style you know music to the flappers to then you have it form into like the jazz era. And you know that was the soundtrack of of that era. And you know he was a big he was a big key in that.
00:37:32
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Big, big, big part of that. Yep, absolutely. All right, Mike, what other video game one you got going for us? Well, to weave in Bob, like I said, I'll get back to that in another one, but tie in honorable mention I have is the um the undisputed brother, is Kamaka Vivaole to be one of the representatives of Hawaiian music. um I point to him as an honorable mention. I know it's a little bit sacrilegious and I hope that Night Marcher doesn't come through my window anytime soon to to that to lash me for this, but Iz isn't my favorite Hawaiian musician, but he's definitely one of the the top and he's you know he's probably the most iconic, similar to what you know we were just kind of talking about with lo is that Louis Armstrong is that, um you know, I can't find if it was a direct inspiration, but is has the Somewhere Over the Rainbow, What a Wonderful World song that so many people, you know, type like that is, you know, their entry, you know, their entry drug into Hawaiian music. um It's been a absolute foundation. You know, it's been a it's been used in so much um
00:38:42
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mainstream U.S. media, you know, like played while um Anthony the Edwards passed away on E.R. It's been used in many different movies, you know, different clips of it have just been dotted along different parts of of U.S. media. So want to give a shout out to Brother Is, but my next one is actually going to be another Hawaiian musician, Kelly E. Rachelle. And, you know, I was waiting for it to be Don Ho. but no tiny bubbles right now. but But I could play that song at one point. ah But Keili Rachel, he's just a living ah representation of Hawaiian music. for you know
00:39:27
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you know he um He's from Lahaina. And um keep any event you go to, some Keili'i song is going to play at it. and um you know just the the accolades that he's won. He's ah all over Hawaiian Music Awards. He's just got so many of them under his belt. But um if you're wondering a song that, you know, maybe you've heard him, um he's one of the singers for um the Land Before Time theme song.
00:40:01
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And yeah, so um if you go and search, if we hold on together and you find the Kay Lee Raichel version, you can hear the um the the vocal range that he has. And the nice part from, a um you know, Matt, from a um for me composition point of view of his music, he has very, very basic um music at the heart of his songs. It's, you know, like I have um a couple friends in bed or who do live performances my boss does you know he's he lives up in seattle but he um he'll play you know guitar and bass for his band that they perform at weddings events and you know he always jokes that it's like there's only like five chords and they're repeated over and over again so it just i bring that up to show like the weight that his vocals bring to all of his music and why um he is like i said one of the pillars the hallmarks of hawaiian music and why i think that
00:40:57
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um He, why I have him as my, you know, representation of Hawaiian music on my list. So Kelly Rachel is, like I said, mine aren't in order. I am using mine to react and read and react to your guys listings. Well, the only reason I laughed, and it's not because I know the guy or anything, but this is the second time in three weeks that Mike's brought up Land Before Time and one of his lists. but yeah ah Like I said, absolutely, absolutely a core memory.
00:41:34
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but just And so, you know, Mike, of course, you were on my podcast about a week and a half agowe ago, two weeks ago, that was maybe. um And it was such a such a fun time talking to you. Thanks. You told Don and I about so much stuff about just living in Hawaii, Hawaiian culture, Hawaiian history. So to hear like another part of that, it's kind of like a flashback to ah to when we were like recording that episode with you. So hearing about some Hawaiian music stuff is like it's great. I love hearing about that.
00:42:01
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No, it's really great. I mean, I obviously haven't heard of him, but everybody kind of knows some of the tones that you get from a Hawaiian or an island style of music. And you know they are and this isn't too denigrated or anything, but they are basic like chords and that, but it still comes out as a beautiful piece of work yeah because they can make it work that way. yep So, all right, well, I'm going to go with my number four, and it's not class not classical, not anything. This is where I start getting into, okay, this is stuff that Joe listens to on like a regular basis, but can be considered in a lot of people's top fives. So at my number four, I've got Jim Croci.
00:42:54
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And this guy, had he not died as early as he did, I think still would be making beautiful music because just the amount of music he put out in the shorter amount of time he did, I mean, it was just amazing stuff. you know Again, stuff that today is still getting played in modern media, like Leroy Brown and and ah time in a bottle and I've got a name and and just songs like that operator, you know, just some of the most heartfelt music and good, you know, listening music that you can have. And, you know, like I said, had he not died early on, I think he would have had a, he'd been one of the top guys because he was not only a singer and a musician, he was also the the composer of a lot of his music too.
00:43:51
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And his lyrics are always so much fun, like good, you know, little, little character studies. Leroy Bryan, he also did Don't Mess Around at the gym, right? Yep. Yeah. It's like a little character study and a little, like a little storytelling is is wonderful. And like, yeah, just really great songs. Every time a Jim Cartier song comes on, I'm like, all right, let's, let's do this. Oh yeah, like I said, I've got playlists and there's a lot of his stuff on there. Another one that, like you said, with the character study is Operator because that's telling of the story of how his best friend stole his is girlfriend and he wanted to call the girlfriend and say it was all right and all that, but he was still having a hard time getting over the, you know, it just like I said, it's that heartfelt thing.
00:44:32
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that you feel it you don't only just hear it you feel it when it when it plays and it just it's great stuff that's like i said is he's he will always probably be in my top five i like it that's good all right matt let's see where you go now with your number three Yeah, so you know it was important for me to say at the top like what my background is, so if people know like also what my biases are, you know trombone player. So I'll have certain biases towards your better trombone players, brass players, brass sections. And so this brings me to number three, which is the ah Chicago Symphony Orchestra from roughly 1950 to 2000, because that was the time that Adolf Bud Hurseth was playing lead trumpet with them.
00:45:20
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And so he was, ah for my money, the best orchestral trumpet player of all time. So what does that matter to trombone players? When you have somebody that good, who's that strong of a leader and pushing, you know, a really aggressive sound from the brass, the the other you know ah brass players are emboldened and encouraged to match that level of intensity. And so the the brass sections from the CSO to this day, you know, not just through the 2000 or I think he was the principal of like 2001 or something. Whenever it was, um, those recordings are still like the gold standard for many brass players out there wanting to hear like, well, how, how can we approach you like this? Brookner symphony, for example. Well, what did CS, CSO do in their 1978 recording? You know, so that kind of.
00:46:08
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I think aggressiveness is the best way to describe the sound of of of the the CSO's brass section in that era and to ending into the modern day. um So that's that's the way how I like the orchestra sound with a lot of brass because I'm biased because I'm a trombone player. um And that is like the best representation of it. And, um you know, it's a lot of like conductors, not composers, conductors will be like, OK, you know, brass, you're playing too loud, play quieter. But the CSO is like no we're gonna let the brass just kind of do what they're gonna do because but her stuff It's kind of the Aaron Rodgers kind of running things, you know to on the side there basically, so um yeah for for sure number three chronologically talking about the CSO this Chicago Symphony Orchestra the 50s to the early 2000s with but herself on lead trumpet Now forgive me my ignorance on like orchestrations and that but don't they sit
00:47:02
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Like you have like your number one chair, your number two chair, stuff like that. And usually the number one chair is like your lead and the rest of them kind of fall in the line with that one. Like higher pitch to second higher pitch, like third, usually like as far as the orchestration goes. So like your lead term is playing the higher notes, whereas like the third term is playing lower notes, for example. And yeah, the the lead trumpet, the first trumpet player, like in an orchestra, would be playing the melody a lot, especially if the brass have the melody. A lot of times it's going to the to the first chair trumpet. So very much like a leader in terms of the the way how things are scored.
00:47:36
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But also they tend to be like because you want to match up to what that person is doing melodically. um So kind of matching that sound is going to be what all the brass players do. Like the people in the trombone section will lead up to the or listen up to the lead trombone player who's leading, sorry, listening up to the lead trumpet player. Like in the best orchestras that I've played in, they have the first year trombone to sit next to the first year trumpet player. and have the like traumas and trumpets kind of going you know outward from them because that way like you're listening right directly to what they're doing and like kind of you know i' blending into it matching it right so it just makes sense that you would have
00:48:14
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you would want your one guy to you know set the pace, set the you know tone for things and then you know branch off of it from there. So no that's really a good pick. i I've never been one per se for like classical type of music, but I can appreciate how a lot of you know how the orchestra is because it is such an intricate thing. A lot of us take it for granted when we're what're when we're watching movies like, oh yeah, the music sounds great, but we don't know all the work that goes in behind it and you know how it's all set out and stuff like that. So no, that that's really interesting. Glad you liked it. All right, Mike.
00:49:01
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All right, so yeah my first name is mike Michael for a lot of different reasons, mostly athletes. ah Michael Jordan, michael Michael Johnson, but Michael Jackson is an inspiration behind why my name is Michael. I was kind of worried there for a minute.
00:49:22
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No matter what you say about him in his private slash not so private home life, the musical ability that he had, the like Matt has kind of pointed to, you know who is the root of the tree of you know different types of brass, orchestral, symphony, music. There are so many modern artists who post their inspiration to what Michael Jackson did, you know both in the Jackson Five and as a solo artist. Michael Jackson is, the I believe, the first concert I went to when I'm alive. My dad's sister,
00:49:58
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was, is, whichever way you want to look at it, a ginormous Michael Jackson fan. um I had to text her, call her on the day that he passed away to make sure that she was okay. She is, was, but um she got tickets to it um in the, what was it? Shoot, I think it was the mid-90s. He had, he came on tour to um Hawaii and had his, he had a, you know, like a week of concerts at Aloha Stadium. And um and
00:50:28
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Kind of like John Williams, Michael Jackson it has a wide ranging, he has his albums, but where his music pops up. And one of the mut movie series that I did not bring up in our movie our top five movie series was of the Free Willy movies. And Michael Jackson had, you know he was a part of that soundtrack. all And to which, even at his funeral when Jennifer Hudson sang that song, my mom goes, why does Jennifer Hudson have the Free Willy song? but but It is a good song. But um you know that first Free Willy movie, I love Whales. I love that movie. I know it's not a perfect movie by any means. But like I said, Michael Jackson's ah you know part of the soundtrack, it's a huge it's a huge ah part of that movie.
00:51:20
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And then just you look at, you know, there's numerous arts. You have, you know, Kanye sampling Michael Jackson's music in some of his um early 2000s rap music. You have different artists taking inspiration from his music and just. And I so wish that I was five to ten years older when I went to that concert because I would have loved to have fully grasped, you know, understood the moment of how big, how, you know, just how amazing of a performing artist Michael Jackson was at the time. So it wasn't, you know, it's not just that I was there. um It was more that ah I got to like fully, you know, enjoy, embrace it.
00:52:01
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another footnote the other Michael Jackson performance I was at is he did um was it hold on let me make sure I'm getting this right um like I like Joe has said many times this is excellent radio but um okay hold on so starting off the story I have been to a Super Bowl before i was two almost three years old my
00:52:32
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my mom So this is what happens when you're in Hawaii. If you're an accountant, you know all the accountants on island. My parents work for two different accounting firms and between the two of them, they know 100% of the accountants in their in their age range and a lot of their offshoot, you know they they their successors and stuff like that, their proteges and all. But so she knew a guy who ended up working for CBF and NBC and was able to get her 40 yard line tickets in the Rose Bowl for Super Bowl 27. So.
00:53:03
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I got to go to a Super Bowl before I and my dad constantly reminds me how he did not see the halftime show or all of the third quarter, because he spent that entire time trying to find a place to change my dump diaper. And eventually, a security guard spotted my father looking hopeless, trying to find a bathroom with not a long line, and allowed him to change the my father to change me on the back of his security golf cart. But Michael Jackson was the halftime show. Long story. Coming to an end, I have seen Michael Jackson perform twice. But like I said, I can't even add those two ages together to like say that I would have been at an age to fully um appreciate his performing ability you know live. But to be able to say, like I said, to at least be able to say I was there twice to see Michael Jackson live is is a neat part of history music history. Because like I said, whatever you want to say about
00:53:58
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his home life whatever personal decisions and all that kind of stuff you cannot deny the charisma the talent that he brought to um mute live music and just like i said his discography is extensive and prolific and it spawns so much you know he is the king of pop and he will always be the king of pop in my eye Yeah. That's such a good pick, Mike. And it means I can take one off my list that I was thinking of for my fifth one, by the way. So glad you, glad you mentioned one last thing. Um, yeah, the king of pop. Exactly. I mean, growing up in the eighties, cause I was born in 1977, like I felt like Michael Jackson was always on the radio. It was always a hit, you know, whether it was from bad or it was always a new disc. It was always a new album kind of thing. Yeah. you know Yeah. His, his, his output, like the extreme popularity. He, he had a stranglehold on the eighties music scene, you know, like in and beyond too.
00:54:54
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yeah there's that You can't overestimate how much impact and influence he had on pop music from the 80s going forward. So that's a great pick. he was on my honorable mention too. Um, and you know, ah like Mike said, whatever his issues were, were, whatever. It's not a debate here on that. Just the talent was always there. And I'm always reminded about something. And and I know this is a weird bring up, but there was a comedian called moms Mabley. And I remember watching a documentary a few years back and on it, I think it was Whoopi Goldberg said that tragedy,
00:55:34
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in somebody's life usually always makes them a good performer, whether it's a comedian or a musician or whatever. And if you think about it, look at some of the best musicians we've ever had. They've had some kind of issues in in their life that, you know, let's face it, Michael Jackson had a rough, rough childhood and and carried over into adulthood and that. And just to listen to a lot of the music and you know performances that he would have is just, it's amazing stuff. So yeah, like I said, he was in an honor he was an honorable mention for me online too. So. Absolutely. Okay. So now this is again, we're getting in the heart of stuff that Joe listens to on a constant basis.
00:56:27
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hu i I do. um
00:56:33
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I'm just reading private comments from Mike so Mike will be off for a minute. but um But Hailstorm, my number three is Hailstorm. And it's more of a heavier rock slash like metal type thing. Lizzie Hale, her brother RJ is the drummer, Lizzie Hale is the lead singer and guitarist. And they grew up in the Pittsburgh area, I wanna say. And it's just some of the,
00:57:08
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But I am, if I had to pick a genre of music that I listen to more, it is more of your harder rock, metal-ish type stuff. And the voice that she has to go with that music, her voice could be in any genre, it crosses genre. They release released an album in 2020. where you know obviously everybody was shut down so they couldn't really do you know touring and all that. so But she covered, I Will Always Love You, the the Whitney Houston version of it. And she just nailed it.
00:57:50
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But then in a previous album, or it was an album after that, they they covered 21 Savage's Heathens. And he nailed that one out of the park. And she's done like Pharrell's Happy, or not Happy, ah Pharrell's ah oh Up All Night. Is that what the name of it is? I can't even think of it off the top of my head. um No, get lucky. Get lucky. I'm sorry. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And she nailed that. But they do their own original stuff. And it's just amazing her quality that she has, you know, her voice and everything else. And then the music just adds to it. So
00:58:35
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They're always, again, like Jim Croci, this one will always be like a top on my list unless they start doing some weird ass stuff that just kind of is not what they started out to be. But so far, you know, knock on wood, they haven't done that yet.
00:58:53
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Yeah. So, Hailstorm, you said. I'm not actually not familiar. I'll have to check that out. Yeah. H-A-L-E and then just Storm. S-T-O-R-M. And and it is, it's a little bit more of a heavier tone. So, I mean, if you're not big on like hard rock or metal or something like that, it might not be everybody's ah favorite. But like I said, just they do some lighter stuff now and again. And it just, like I said, her voice is just amazing. Love that. Cool, man. All right, so we got to cover time because Mike is on kid duty at the moment. so
00:59:30
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Let's go ahead. I'm up next anyhow. So yeah, yeah, all good. So take your time with it. Oh, he's coming back in. Okay. So my number four, so here's like, okay, I'll save for me, like trying to pick top five. You can tell that I was trying to think towards like more influential, um, sort of acts. And so I have to get past like the first three for me. There's a, there's a kind of chalk on, honestly, when we get to like four and five, it's like, well, music splinters in all kinds of different directions, you know, from the 50s on really so it gets trickier to like think for me what are the influential ones or like who had the most impact and so that's why you know um uh michael jackson was kind of in in my mind there at some point to bring up but the where the where when i go for my number four
01:00:13
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is that James Brown, because you know obviously, I hope this is obvious, the story of like the development of popular music in America is the story of white people taking black people music and saying, hey, this is a this is cool, right? We can do this. Or just saying, like hey, what's appropriate? you know so Um, I think that I couldn't say, cause I don't know the the history well enough to say James Brown is like this major breakthrough artists. Cause people are listening to black music, you know, before that, but like, I think he was showy enough and his music was like high quality enough to say like that he was a milestone. And I do think I can say that.
01:00:49
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A lot of what came for like funk music after that was born out of like the bands that he had, the musicians he had. I mean, Bootsy Collins played with them. Clyde Stubblefield, we're talking Macio Parker, you know all kinds of like really important musicians like for the funk movement came after him, kind of came through you know his bands. so um Like, everyone knows who James Brown is, you know? um Everyone, there's there's probably songs you can probably just come to come to the top of your mind when you think of James Brown. You know, his music's still used in in advertisements and movies today, you know? and um He's had a lasting impact. but What's that? And TikToks, there's a common one where they, it's a big scare one where they have the speaker hidden somewhere and then they play the opening to I Feel Good with his loud scream and it scares him.
01:01:38
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I'm not on the TikToks as much myself, but that is hilarious. Glad to hear that his legacy lives on in the most random ways. I'm just trying to help suppress the Chinese invasion.
01:01:51
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So, um yeah. Yeah, James Brown, man. um hugely influential, an absolute terror to work for my understandings. In fact, I heard a story that like, you know, every like, Oh, I got you, like some of the things that he's he's doing in his music that just sound like, you know, they're just like soulful. When they were performing live, every little one of those things meant something to the band. A lot of it was like, hey, I heard you like play a wrong note, and I'm going to dock you some pay because of that. So like there was like this, like he was raining on the stage with like terror and a codified language musically to like let the people know if if he's going to dock some of their pay. So like the band was you know especially tight out of fear. But you know um that that also means like a higher quality of of music. and and
01:02:37
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Point being, James Brown, not the best human, maybe, but um absolutely like an an innovator and somebody who brought the the funk to ah to a larger you know audience. I should say soul music because the funk kind of came from that. um So James Brown, number four for me. And he was also one of the first showmen because he would actually put the show out on stage. Absolutely. And and because the most common one that I can think of is where he's you know singing so much and then he starts crumpling into the ground and then somebody comes up behind him with the cape and then he throws off the cape and starts dancing more.
01:03:14
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ah So exactly a true showman. And really, that's probably one of the first time you see like the big productions on stage is when he starts doing those showman type things. So, yeah, that's pretty good. question Yeah. man And for a lot of white people, you know, yeah. Yeah. First time they see a lot of that, you know, in the in the 60s and, you know, just representing for for for black music of the time to for people to say, yeah, you know what, we can we we can We can all do this. we can We can love the black music. Black people can like you know keep developing in this. And i'm I'm babbling now, but yeah, man, James Brown, awesome. And that's that's the form of music where they can say, here, try to steal this form of it, guys. Yeah, good luck.
01:04:02
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All right, Mike is back from his his child duties. So what you got for year number two, or number four, whichever way you're going. darts on a board. my fourth My fourth one is going to be Boyz II Men. and So once again, kind of a nebulous, not the nebulous because you know you've had group bands before, group ensembles before Boyz II Men, obviously. but um you know you
01:04:33
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the um The Backstreet Boys have basically said Boys to Men was one of their inspirational you know driving forces to them becoming a boy band. You've heard other boy bands that point to Boys to Men, their style of music as inspiration. And um and they're just so damn good. I don't even need to put too much else to it. i mean um Yeah, I have so much Boiseman. I listen to Boiseman driving in my car, getting up in the morning at the gym. um like just name it, the best thing to come out of Philly, yes, even better than the Philly cheesesteaks, Boyz II Men. Like I said, I just don't have much to say because they're that good. I've actually seen them live twice in Honolulu because they used to come out pre-COVID and do a couple. They would come out around Valentine's Day, actually. So it it made for a a nice, fun Valentine's Day date kind of thing for me in Marisol. but
01:05:30
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um they're really good live. It's unfortunate that Mike McCree isn't part of the group anymore, but it just goes to show how talented they are that they still, Dave, the three remaining guys, um they Nathan Morris, Sean Stockman, and Wanya Morris, they've basically split up Mike's parts and said, like, yeah, we're still going to perform all of our old songs. Nathan is usually the one who does the bass lines, but, you know, they'll all kind of dabble in it depending on like who's got to sing their part and stuff like that. And it.
01:06:04
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They are just sound as good as they did in the late 80s, early 90s, when they performed live and they started to dabble in a little bit more like kind of jazz or like fusion music with their newer albums and stuff. and um but Yeah, like I said, not many words because they're just an establishment, just so well known. And they're just, they've stood the test of time. And really the only complaint I have is that them singing the national anthem in that 2019 NFC championship game. I was just like, I don't know if I feel good about this. And then we got curbs stopped after. I was like, God damn it. But I was like, at least we had boys to be singing the national anthem. I was like, that was about the best part of that game for me. But I mean, yeah. Like I said, I'm just going to cut myself off before I keep repeating the same thing over and over. Boys to Men, my representation for boy band group. I'm all for it.
01:07:07
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Yeah, yeah, I like that one a lot, Mike. I would have never thought to put them in a top five, but man, like the the revitalization of a doo-wop sort of mindset and approach to music with like the new Jack Swing that they brought with it um at a time when you know, that was kind of becoming like a i forgotten part of like popular music to kind of bring back like, let's focus on like really, really tight vocals and harmonies. I love it. It's good. Yeah, I'm awful. And they do a lot of acapella stuff and I'm big into acapella music. So, you know, I like that kind of thing.
01:07:41
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kind of a side note here one of my favorite TV shows ever is Psych and Boyz II Men does one of the best versions of the theme song that they've ever because every so often they would have they would redo the theme to fit the ah the theme of the... ya and No, it was more just that episode. yeahy so like like I think the the episode that they were doing um for that one was one of the main characters was in a doo-wop band in college and they rejoined because one of their friends got murdered or whatever. So for the the opening theme for that episode was Boys to Men's version of the theme song. and and
01:08:23
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it It is highly rated amongst psych fans, so. Nice. They even had a little cameo appearance in um How I Met Your Mother. They did the vocals for um the final slap that episode of the series. So that that was a fun callback for that over art running long running arc for that show. So my number two, and I'm surprised this genre has not been broached yet. um So I guess I'm going to be the one to to bring it up and and we'll see what happens from there. But this this one I've listened to for a long ass time. um He just dropped a new album recently and that's Eminem. um you know i You can say what you want about the rap genre, the hip hop genre or whatever.
01:09:19
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If you're going to put a Mount Rush for more of artists on there, you got to include him because he's really reshaped what that genre is. You know, up to that point, you got to think of what it was like for a white guy to get into rap. You had Vanilla Ice. Vanilla Ice, period. that um Yeah, or or one hit wonder guy the what they call him snow and former um oh, yeah And then you have this guy come in and he's going as hard as Dre and Snoop and Tupac and and those guys and and
01:10:03
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now that he's, well, I mean, he has been for a while now, but he's been doing his own, you know, he's got his own studio and stuff like that, where, you know, you got like guys like 50 Cent that have come out of his record label. And, you know, and I know this newest album is kind of controversial in a way, some people like it, some people hate it. But I, I understand what it's about. And I have a funny story that when the Which one was it? Was it the Marshall LP? I think it was the Marshall Mathers LP. When that came out,
01:10:42
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oh at the time, my grandparents would always say, all right, well, we want a list of stuff for what you want for Christmas. Well, I want the Marshall Mathers LP. Well, of course, ah you know my grandma's like, well, I don't know what the fuck this is. So she he sent my brother to the CD store. And remember, kids, at that time, we had CD stores. and picked it up. And that's what I got for Christmas that year was the mark. And I, you know, ever since then, I've always picked up every one of his new releases or, you know, I, I downloaded on Spotify or whatever now, but
01:11:20
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it And that's where I go back to what I said about Michael Jackson. It always seems like people who have had the biggest tragedies in their life create the best stuff there is. Because you're talking about a guy that when he was a kid got beat so bad that he was put in the hospital and was in a coma. And you know his mom was a drug addict. His dad wasn't there. you know And he grew up in this lifestyle. and Now he's one of the most influential guys in the world. And yeah, so that's another one. That's my my number two.
01:11:59
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Yeah. I think it's, it's really good to talk about hip hop as part of this conversation. Cause we haven't really gotten into that yet. I mean, trying to decide my woman number five one was going to be, I was talking with the idea of doing like, like a Dr. Dre or someone, because I was just listening actually to the, uh, Conan O'Brien needs a friend episode with quest love, you know, from the roots. yu And it's funny, funny, you mentioned boys to men actually, cause he talked about them when he was on the show because he went to the same high school at the same time as them. He was like, yeah, they were like really popular. They won all the talent contests, whereas the rest of us just trying to like, you know, get something going. on the side there. um Because one of the things he said was like, you know, hip hop was trying to become more popular in the 90s with like vanilla ice and like, um you know, MC Hammer, but the people who are like, you know, the real hip hop artists weren't like listening to those guys. Like this is a side show. This is like for the people or whatever. So it was like Dr. Dre, who had the first big like album that was
01:12:53
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He's like more like an authentic, respected you know a rapper within the community who who actually had a like a commercial success that said to other people who were doing hip hop like, hey, this is commercially viable. You could actually make money doing this. So so talking about hip hop in this, my point is like, yeah, that we that needs to be included in part of this because it's such an important part of American music. And, and you know, I think we'll be with us for a very long time. um So glad you brought that in, Joe. Well, like I said, I listen to a ton of if if I were to sit here and show people my playlist They would just look at me weird because it's not like a flow of a steady flow of things it jumps from one genre to another genre to and mixes and you would think I was schizophrenic or multiple personalities or whatever just because of all the ah things that I listen to but
01:13:47
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Matt, it looks like you're getting you're getting pushed out. So we'll we'll hurry up and get your number one out of here. yeah my My podcasting space is also my kids' art space. So they came up after dinner here and are taking up space. So anyhow, lucky kids. um So my last one, my fifth one, this is where it was really hard to figure out like what would be just the best one to end on. And so ah for me, having grown up in the 80s and 90s, a big part of the music that I listened to in high school was grunge music. And so kind of I feel like the central band um in a lot of ways was Soundgarden. Not only did they have one of the best singers in all of rock and pop history, Chris Cornell, amazing, on there you know on par with like Freddie Mercury.
01:14:29
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um yeah So um but but really, it was like the the bands that really broke open the like the grunge music to to the, you know, to the nation for people to start really listening to it. You think of like, you know, Nirvana, of course, and Pearl Jam. Well, Nirvana, the guys in Nirvana had been listening to Soundgarden for years before they were even a band and like really looked up to them. And Pearl Jam, you know, was guys who um kind of came out of another ah band called out Mother Love Bone and
01:15:02
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Eddie Vedder was somebody who they brought in kind of like the last person they needed for that for Pearl Jam. But Eddie Vedder was somebody who Chris Cornell kind of like, like champion from when he first kind of came onto the scene in Seattle. So for like and a lot of ways, Sun Garden is that sort of like central band. um So not only that, but also I like their songs personally better than other like ah of the grunge bands, which, you know, and I love grunge music. So like to say better than Nirvana. Yeah, actually, I do like them better. i think the The music is better overall. the yeah The the again, the my daughter's freaking out over there. She's a huge Nirvana fan. So most of my kids always like make fun of me for for loving Chris Cornell so much. So there's that there's a well-established history in my house of of mocking me for that. But anyhow, um yeah, so my fifth one, definitely Soundguard.
01:15:46
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no that's I mean grunge is a solid topic period just because again kind of like uh like we were talking about with the Louis Armstrong Uh, pick, we were just coming out of the eighties where it was the big hair, you know, pop rock, you know, slash kind of hard rock. And now we go into the grunge where, okay, well, this is darker. This is not the feel good. This is the storytelling type music to it. And I, Hey, I listened to some of the grunge, you know, Foo Fighters came out of that style. Uh, you know, the Nirvana's. in the sound gardens and Pearl jams and, um, Oh, uh, now you're making all kinds of them. all kinds of Yeah. But that also puts Seattle on the spot or on the map because that was the Seattle sound. So I'm good with that one. All right, Mike.
01:16:50
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All right, so to tie into your rap, I had, no I can't believe I'm saying this, I left Nas off the, off my top five. And like, you same thing with Eminem, Nas comes from a different generation, ah an older generation of rap where, you know, he is one of just like, he is one of the pillars of the rap genre. And what the reason that Nas is my favorite rapper is Most other rappers are like Eminem or even Dr. Dre and stuff where they're at a very, they're, what's it called?
01:17:27
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there their word rate is very high. They're rapping at high velocity. I always appreciated that Nas, he had he was more of a storyteller, a slow motion so storyteller with his music and that I could go in and listen to a song once and know every lyric that he's saying as opposed to a lot of other ones like, oh my God, like I gotta listen to this verse like 14 different times to catch each of the 20 words that are in it. Or or ah to go back Into the era that we are from when you bought the CDs and it had that booklet in the front It had the lyrics in front of the book and you're like, holy crap I thought we only said like five different things, but there's 20 words in this line. Forget the verse. There's 20 words on this line yeah but so that's why that's one of the reason and just like
01:18:18
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just ether like I'll just you just have to say ether with Nas and like you don't have to mention another he's got so many other you know heaven like there's so many other like renditions versions just individual pieces of music that he's done but I'm going to swing in a completely different direction for my last one this is This is my inner ethnicity calling me home. And to represent J-pop, I have Hikaru Utada. And um so the place that most people would have recognized her music from, again, video game, she she's sang the opening songs for the mainstream Kingdom Hearts games. But um she's had a long career, I think over 20 years at this point, of producing music.
01:19:08
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um relatively well known, you know, in American circles and like. So obviously I do have like the quote unquote, the inner white girl in me that, you know, plays Britney Spears and stuff like that at the gym. But also I will just blast J-pop and Hikaru is at the top of the list for the music. That's just, you know, like you said, Joe, it's if if you ah well nowadays we all have Bluetooth headphones anyway. But if it was in the era of our old wired headphones and I put my my iPod down and someone picked it up, it would get thrown back on the ground so fast because you'd be like, what? Who the fuck was he listening to? And it's like, yes. um And so just to go into my whole say, especially when I go to like a gym gym, like a 24-hour fitness or like my high school gym or anything, like or like any of the um facilities at Michigan,
01:20:08
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You know, a lot of people listen to rap, hip hop, R and&B kind of thing and stuff. I would listen to a lot of like, like I said, it was a lot more like melodies, soundtrack music, J-pop, like love songs kind of thing. Because it's like, I never had a problem getting hyped up to do a set. it was always the music was always there and like within each song you can have you know heightened um uh you can have the crescendos you can have the change of the pace of the music and stuff but i always listen to like i said more melodious music um to get my breathing under control at the end of sets because you know like i'm a power lifter in a not power lifters body and so
01:20:51
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you go you know you do these you know high intensity low rep exercises you um you know the whole premise is like your break you know you inhale brace set your set your core do your rep and then it's all about in between you know I would do um Like I said, I would do short interval lifting when I was at my quote unquote prime of weightlifting. And so in that 30 seconds to a minute in between, like, you know, you're repping, trying to rep out like 225 or something like that is like, okay, you have to like recenter refocus and get your breathing under control so that you don't like hyperventilate and pass out on your next set kind of thing. And it's like, I would always have these like.
01:21:31
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the, like I said, video game music to like bring me down. And then you have like a J-pop song or something to like, you know, it's not like yelling in your face, but the tempo is like a, it's a very poppy tempo that's like, it's, you know, it's, it's getting you back into like, okay, okay, okay, one, two, three, let's get, you know, like, three, one, two, three, let's go, kind of thing. ah so but But yeah, so, Kikaru Utara is my representation for my J-pop infatuation.
Video Games vs. Movies and TV Shows
01:22:02
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Hey, that's a solid pick like we were talking about with the video game stuff. you know It's on par with movies and that where they they produce just as well on video games as they do movies and and TV shows.
01:22:17
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so We'll go ahead and wrap mine up real quick. Because I know Matt's kids are kind of bugging him right now. So we'll get you out of here.
Sam Cooke's Music and Legacy
01:22:28
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That's kind of the opposite of what I had when we had Gracia on last week. The lights are going out on him. The lights are coming on like they were for me. um so I'm going to go back a little, yeah well in time it's going to go back a ways, but in conversation wise, I'm going to go back to like what Matt was saying with James Brown and soul. And this man was called Mr. Soul. And this guy, I can listen to every matter of fact, the last three days just in prep.
01:23:00
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for this podcast i've had his music on like repeat because ever since a young age i've always in and loved his his sound and it's another guy that we lost at a younger age that and and if you go into true crime it actually is an interesting true crime story on what happened to him and that's sam cook i i just i love his music his the his voice the style of music the the you know, the kind of like Mike was saying where you can follow along with the lyrics because he's, you know, singing it at a speed and a tone that just makes it easy to listen to. And there is a great oh documentary I watched on Netflix about Sam. And if I remember right, they said something about
01:23:57
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he couldn't hold notes for a long time so that's why he started coming up with that warble where instead of holding the note he would just uh not like a scat or a something like that but kind of like you hear from a Beyonce where she doesn't hold the note forever it just she baby baby And that's what he did with his music. And I know that was a horrible sound out of my mouth, but I'm tone depth. It was beautiful. beautiful. But you know, and again, we lost him young. I think he was only like 31 when he was killed.
01:24:40
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And it is under very mysterious aspects. So if you get a chance to look up his story, it it's it is amazing when like I said, there's a very good documentary on Netflix about him. And they, you know, I was just hearing I was listening to the song that they did that he did in a after an interview, and they had part of the interview in there and they were calling him Mr. Soul. And he was just the heart of soul music.
01:25:10
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Nice. So if nobody's ever heard him, which it's hard to believe anybody hasn't heard him because again, his music is in a lot of like movies and, and, and goes and I would give him a listen because it really is an easy listening, easy to follow along type of music.
01:25:34
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Soul music represent. Love it.
Favorite Music Artists and Covers
01:25:36
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So that's that's top fives. Anybody got any real quick honorable mentions they want to kind of throw out real quick before we we we settle things? Yeah, without going into it, Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Retha Franklin, Ella Fitzgerald. You want me to really piss people off? I'm not a big fan of the Beatles. You know, everyone's everyone knows somebody who is an obstinate bastard who are like I don't like the Beatles. I don't like chocolate. I don't like. Well, explain but I john would have been on my honorable mention. Yeah. Elton's pretty good. Prince is on mine. ah Beach Boys. Oh, yeah. ah yeah Stuff like that. prince someone wasn And honestly, with the Beatles, it's not so much that I don't like them. It's just I'm not like hype about them.
01:26:25
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and um I find that I listen to a lot more of their songs as when they're covers than they are actually performed by the Beatles. So like Jeff Healy does amazing version of While My Guitar Gently Weeps and that's amazing or if you get into bluegrass a little bit there's an old school bluegrass band called the Dillard's And they did, ah I just saw a face and that's an amazing cover of it. So I listened to more of the cover songs of theirs than I do more of what they put on. So that's about it, Mike.
Podcast Promotions and Gratitude
01:27:02
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Let's let's go ahead and take her home. Get Matt out here before his kids take out take over.
01:27:08
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Like we said, moving off, want to thank Matt Pickett for joining us today. Please follow him and Don on the Hey We Like Your Pod. And shout out to Don. Hope you're feeling better. Hope that this bout with COVID is going as smoothly as it can and that you're back on your feet as soon as possible. um Check out the Hey We Like Your Pod. Not because I was on it. They've had many, many, much better guests on. You're the best one. good time to and Yes, I'm buttering Matt up and Dawn up to come back on the show, but also we like your pod. It is it just a wonderful vibes pod um just every week, um just looking at the brighter side of life. And it's always a needed necessary for for all of us. So Matt, thank you very much for joining us and gracing us with your.
01:27:54
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the depth and breadth of your musical knowledge. we Like Joe said, we needed an air of sophistication added to our lists. And we did, Joe was able to pick the right right guest for this one. So, Matt Pickett at Matt Trombone on Twitter, a good fun follow. And like I said, the Hey We Like Your Pod pod, the Hey We Like Your Pod pod, give them a follow on the list over over there, like and subscribe. but Please like and subscribe this pod. um If you're enjoying what you're hearing on your favorite podcasting app, check out our website, ohanapackers.org. All of our, as ah Joe alluded to earlier, um with the season approaching, we're going to have an upswing in our blog posts. Maybe one.
01:28:34
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01:29:23
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