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Cadence
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"Gig for Bean!"
This episode, we revisit Cadence, a passion project developed, directed by, and starring Martin Sheen. Alongside Charlie Sheen, Ramon Estevez (another Sheen brother), and Laurence Fishburn (as Larry Fishburn).
We sincerely think this is our best episode, and it's about one of our favorite movies.
Dedicated to our man, Chris Brown, gone but not forgotten.
4k upscale version of the movie on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxW7M58dt30
- http://www.movielifecrisis.com <-- website
- http://www.patreon.com/movielifecrisis <-- bonus episodes + support the arts
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Transcript
Introduction to 'Movie Life Crisis'
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Welcome to Movie Life Crisis.
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Join us as we watch the best movies from 30 years ago.
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Private Bean is out of step with the Army.
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Do you have a problem, soldier?
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I'm through soldiering.
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But when he lands in the stockade... You think maybe he'll change his mind when he meets his new roommates?
Exploring 'Cadence'
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I believe he'll change his mind, Sergeant.
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He will march to a different drum.
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Watch yourself in there, man.
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Yeah, come on down, Bean.
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I'd like to introduce you to the rest of the gentlemen.
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Oh, boy, this is gonna be fun.
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Hold on, this must be a picnic, sir.
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That's what I'm talking about, sweet hole.
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All choose sides eventually.
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Did I tell you all about your dream on here for the night?
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No, I bet you're going to tell us about it.
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Oh, bro, this was a woozy.
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I dreamt, I woke up, and I was white.
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Get out of here.
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You ain't going to dream, man.
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That's a nightmare.
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I'm still my main man.
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Woo!
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I knew that you could.
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That's the sound of a man working on the chain.
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That's the sound of a man working on the chain.
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Gang.
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All right.
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Episode 108.
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Yes.
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Kings.
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Or episode eight, season one.
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Episode 108, Cadence.
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Continuing our streak of watching movies that absolutely no one, even in 1991, watched, we are here with the smallest, least amount of money-making film that we possibly could have dug up because we both really like it.
Reception and Production Challenges
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Really like it, and I guarantee that everyone else would like it if they watched it.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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But it also, like, Charlie Sheen has cars that are worth more money than this movie grossed.
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How, real fast, when I was, well, I guess we'll talk about it when we get to the budget and the gross, because I have a theory, so.
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All right, cool, cool, cool.
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I love theories.
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Welcome to Movie Life Crisis.
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I'm your host, JT.
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With me is... I'm Jeff.
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What's going on?
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Jeff, I was leaving that for you.
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I said it, and then you were going to spike it, but you just waved at me like it's not an audio.
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No, no, I wasn't looking, so I had to dig really deep to get it.
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I thought you were going to check your notes.
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With me is, hang on a second, I'm going to flip.
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Who am I again?
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Check the name tag.
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Cool.
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Yeah, we're back.
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Some housekeeping stuff.
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So I was thinking about this earlier today.
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This is awesome.
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This is really fun.
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I cannot wait to record this stuff, and I cannot wait to watch the movies when we watch new movies.
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But I think it takes probably about 20 hours per episode because it takes us about five hours to watch the movie and make notes.
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So an hour and a half, two hours each, plus some note-taking time.
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It takes us about five hours to record, you know, another hour and a half, plus some setup and some nonsense.
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Right.
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And then it takes me probably five to 10 hours to edit, produce, upload, and then release it.
00:02:52
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Jeez, that's a lot of editing.
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It's totally fine.
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I like editing.
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It's fun.
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But this hour that people hear is a small fraction of the time that Jeff and I are putting in, which of course is an easy way to lead into.
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It would be great for us if you're enjoying this, if you want to share it on your social media.
00:03:09
Speaker
That doesn't cost anything.
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That's super helpful.
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Yeah.
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Leave us a review if your podcast platform allows reviews like Apple does.
Building Community and Support
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I don't think Google does.
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I don't think Spotify does, but a lot of them do.
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Or if you want to throw some cash our way, you can sponsor us.
00:03:23
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You can sponsor a child for $5 a month through buymeacoffee.com.
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You can buy us chimmy dogs.
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You can subscribe at different tiers, kind of like you could on Patreon.
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We don't have any reward levels yet because we don't know what we would do.
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But at some point, we'll come up with some stuff.
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Maybe some bonus content.
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Bonus content.
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Dude, I really like the idea of just people sharing it, to be honest.
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Me too.
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Absolutely.
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Well, because the other thing is like I listen to a lot of podcasts and some of them, when they start to like pick up some traction, they'll have like four minute ad reads like two or three times in an hour episode.
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And that is frustrating for me, even though I'm not paying for it.
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So I would much prefer that we don't ever have to do that.
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And we can just go like, hey, just tell people about it.
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And if they like it, then like everyone's living the dream.
00:04:03
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Jeff and I keep watching movies.
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We keep talking about it.
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You guys keep listening.
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It's getting around, though, man.
00:04:07
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I talked to Nick Mendez and he was like, oh, I thought you were going to invite me on the podcast when you texted me.
00:04:13
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He was talking about how our minority numbers would rise if we actually got him on the podcast.
00:04:18
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Yeah, we could get—because his people are from Kenner, and I don't know that we're all that represented in Kenner.
00:04:24
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I remember that all the time in high school.
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Nick, where are your people from?
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Kenner.
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Okay.
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But like originally, Kenner.
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It's Louisiana!
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That's awesome.
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Yeah, yeah.
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We're making it.
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I think I told you I checked our stats.
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We're in like 13 countries or something like that.
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That's pretty crazy.
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It's pretty good.
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Yeah.
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Cadence,
Global Reach and Cultural Themes
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why did you want to do this movie?
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Because, first of all, it's fantastic.
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Since we have a black president, racism's been fixed, so this movie doesn't even have any messages in it.
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So, well, no, that's not the case.
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Not so much.
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Yeah.
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So it's, it's got a nice message as well acted.
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And it's Biggin's favorite movie.
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And he's the one that introduced it to me.
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And I've watched it probably 50 times with him.
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And it's just, dude, it's just a great, like it's,
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You know how big him was.
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He's like, I love black people!
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He would yell that in the hallway in high school.
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And dude, this movie, it really spoke to him.
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And it's fantastic.
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It's got quotable lines.
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It's really quotable.
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He and I used to quote this all the time.
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This was before memes when guys used to just sit around and quote stuff at each other, just yell Anchorman quotes.
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We were yelling these quotes back at each other just riding in the car giggling.
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I remember at football practice, the coach would yell at somebody and Biggin would just be like, gig for Bean.
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And everyone's like, what are you talking about?
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Every time we played basketball, it just said, pit him on the sea self.
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Whoop, a one-eyed white boy.
00:05:56
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Yeah, we should just go ahead and dedicate this episode to our homie, Biggin, Chris Brown, who passed away last year, but who freaking loved this movie so much that he named his daughter after it.
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Yes.
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Shout out to Biggin.
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This movie's amazing and gone but not forgotten, much like the movie Cadence.
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Yes, absolutely.
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We should definitely dedicate it to him.
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He would definitely be here if he was here.
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He would definitely be in this one.
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We don't need any more chubby white guys, but if he was around, he'd be in on this one for sure.
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He would definitely be in this.
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I would have to buy a widescreen monitor for all three of us to get on it, but I would do it.
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Yes, definitely worth the panorama.
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All right, cool.
Music Nostalgia and Spinoff Ideas
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So before we get into the By the Numbers, I got to name that tune for you.
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I don't think you're going to get it, but I think you're going to be mad that you didn't.
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another one like that?
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I don't know.
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You might, you might get it, but I don't, I don't think I would have.
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I was, dude, I was acting all, I had my chest out and I was all Brody when I, when that first one came out, but then I didn't get it at all because I don't listen to Whitesnake or whatever it was.
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And, uh, Damn Yankees, is that what it was?
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Damn Yankees.
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Yeah.
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You got Aaron Neville last time.
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Yeah, but then I crushed Aaron Neville.
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So now I'm like, I'm building back that confidence.
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This one is gettable, but it's not easy.
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So, uh, all right, here we go.
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I got 12 seconds of this one.
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Here we go.
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That's Michael Bolton.
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Love is a wonderful thing.
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Michael Bolton.
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Love is a wonderful thing.
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Nailed it.
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You know who else liked Michael Bolton?
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Yeah, Biggin used to love him some Michael Bolton also.
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Just for those really high notes.
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Side note, my mom saw Michael Bolton in concert, but he opened for Kenny G. So she was like, I guess I got to stick around for Kenny G.
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Oh, this is the frickin' battle of mediocre long-haired white guys.
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Yeah, that was a powerhouse concert.
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Dude, this—so Love is a Wonderful Thing.
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When I was looking at it, because this is number 49 for the year 1991, and I was reading a little bit about it.
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And when we—when this podcast takes off and we're able to launch our spinoff podcast, Music Life Crisis, this is exactly the kind of song that we're going to look at.
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Yeah, it's really good.
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Our dream scenario is that this podcast does well enough that we can start a music life crisis podcast to go on the alternating weeks once we can afford to hire people to push all the buttons for us.
00:08:30
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Yes, please.
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I mean, I'm only pushing a couple of buttons over here, but you got a lot of buttons, your presence.
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I'm pressing a lot of them.
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You're pressing all of them.
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So this Love is a Wonderful Thing, this song is a big song in 1991.
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Michael Bolton gets sued by the Isley brothers, who had a song called Love is a Wonderful Thing that came out in the 60s.
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That it does not sound anything like this.
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Yeah, I know that song.
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I didn't think you could do that for just the title.
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No, but they also – so they sued, and the case went all the way to the Supreme Court, and Michael Bolton and his people had to pay out the largest award in recorded history for plagiarism, which was like five million bucks because they said that the melodies were also similar.
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Are they –
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Are they, though?
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Not really.
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I mean, I think there's some like there are some intervals that are similar and they start on the same note of the scale.
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But you don't they don't to me.
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They don't.
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I listen to both songs back to back.
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They didn't sound alike to me, but the jury thought that they did.
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So, of course, they did.
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Of course, they did.
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Poor Michael Bolton.
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Poor Michael Bolton.
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Yeah, he's struggling.
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Yeah, he's drying the tears with $50 bills, I'm sure.
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Yes, because this song was on the album Time, Love, and Tenderness, which also did pretty well.
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Yeah, it did.
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I remember that one.
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He's doing fine.
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I can picture what that looks like.
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I'm pretty sure he's sitting backwards in a chair.
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And he has like a flowing pirate shirt.
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I don't know.
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That just seems like Michael Bolton's brand.
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No, it totally was.
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It was like gold and black.
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Guess who produced this song?
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Who?
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No idea.
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Walter Aniseff.
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Bingo.
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Is it really?
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Yeah.
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No, it's not.
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Yeah, it is.
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Produced by Walter.
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I think it's Afanasyev.
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He's Russian.
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Yeah, maybe.
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But Walter Afanasyev is like one of the only producers names that Jeff and I ever learned because he produced all of Mariah Carey's stuff.
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And Celine Dion.
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And all Celine.
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Yeah, he kills it.
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Yeah, he kills it.
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Christina Aguilera.
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But like in the 90s, if you heard a massive like pop song, you'd just be like, Walter Afanasiev, that was that guy.
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He did that.
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Like if it wasn't Babyface, it was Walter Afanasiev and he produced this song.
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I cannot believe I guessed that.
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I knew that you would because who else would you possibly guess?
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It's not Babyface, which means it can only be Walter Afanasiev.
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It's not Jimmy Jam, not Terry Lewis, not Babyface.
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There is no one else.
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Those are the only producers that there are.
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Cool.
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Name that tune.
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You're two for three.
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That's some Hall of Fame numbers right there.
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Yeah, there you go.
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All right, take us into Cadence.
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All right, so quick synopsis.
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Charlie Sheen plays a rebellious inmate at an army stockade.
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Nice.
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I wasn't even done taking a sip of my drink.
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That's the end.
00:11:03
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That was beautiful.
00:11:04
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I wrote more.
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Would you like to hear more?
00:11:07
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Yeah, give me...
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Click here if you would like to hear more of this synopsis.
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You'll know it's time to turn the page when you hear the chimes ring like this.
Detailed 'Cadence' Analysis
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All right, so Charlie Sheen stationed in West Germany in the 1960s.
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His dad dies and he goes AWOL and gets thrown into stockade with five black soldiers for 90 days.
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The commander of the stockade, who is Martin Sheen, he's a racist and a bully.
00:11:29
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And he's mad at Charlie Sheen because he won't take his side against the new roommates.
00:11:33
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His dislike of Charlie Sheen just gets worse and worse.
00:11:36
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And the more he pushes, the more Charlie Sheen digs in.
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And things have to come to a head.
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So you have to see what happens by watching the film.
00:11:42
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Nice.
00:11:43
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There you go.
00:11:44
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Draw the people in.
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Draw them in.
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Well synopsized.
00:11:47
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I have nothing to add to that.
00:11:48
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Did you notice – I was confused when this movie started that when the opening credits were rolling, it said Ramon Estevez.
00:11:54
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Did you see that?
00:11:55
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Yes, I did.
00:11:56
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That is the guy who plays Corporal Gessner.
00:11:59
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Yes, and it's also Charlie Sheen's brother and Martin Sheen's son.
00:12:02
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Well, it's Charlie Sheen's – yeah.
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Emilio Estevez is also his brother.
00:12:07
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Right, but that's why I was confused because do you know what Martin Sheen's name was before he took his stage name?
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Ramon Estevez.
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Ramon Estevez.
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So I was like, what?
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Because it said directed by Martin Sheen and then it said like Ramon Estevez.
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I was like, did he use both names in this movie?
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That would be cool.
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And only afterwards did I realize that it was Martin Sheen, Charlie Sheen, and Ramon Estevez, who's Charlie's brother, Emilio's brother, Martin's son.
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And the guy in the psych ward at the very end has Estevez on his shirt as a little –
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Extra.
00:12:34
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And if we're talking about people's names in the credits, we might as well talk about Larry Fishburne.
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Oh, yeah.
00:12:39
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Lawrence Fishburne is in this movie, but credited as Larry Fishburne.
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Larry Fishburne.
00:12:42
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That's like the same way when he was in Pee-wee's Playhouse.
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He was Larry Fishburne back then.
00:12:47
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I didn't know he was in Pee-wee's Playhouse.
00:12:48
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Yeah, yeah.
00:12:48
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He was the cowboy.
00:12:50
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It's really bad.
00:12:51
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That's awesome.
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You should go back and look at pictures of that.
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It's really bad.
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All right.
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I'm going to Google that.
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Yeah.
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And put that in the show notes.
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We'll have the boy do that.
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Yeah.
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The boys here.
00:13:01
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You.
00:13:02
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I told you that Mike Jones wants to be our intern, right?
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Yeah.
00:13:06
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I can't even think of a better intern than Mike Jones.
00:13:08
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Yeah.
00:13:10
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He's a manager at a tech startup, but he says he doesn't know how to do any of the button pushing.
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But he's happy to be our intern.
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He's just not going to do anything.
00:13:17
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Yeah, man.
00:13:17
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Come on.
00:13:18
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We don't offer health insurance.
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We'll just mention his name constantly.
00:13:20
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Just name check people who haven't done shit for us.
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Right.
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Dude budget and gross.
00:13:24
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You want to talk about that?
00:13:25
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Yeah, I think we can probably work that in.
00:13:26
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$4 million was the budget for this movie.
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$2 million was the gross.
00:13:30
Speaker
Did you see the opening weekend?
00:13:32
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Yeah, it was like $3,500 or something.
00:13:33
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Yeah.
00:13:37
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It was $173,000.
00:13:37
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The Sheens went and they got some popcorn.
00:13:41
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That was the gross.
00:13:42
Speaker
So then I was going to ask you, how much was a ticket back then?
00:13:44
Speaker
Five bucks?
00:13:45
Speaker
I feel like five bucks is like the right range.
00:13:47
Speaker
Right.
00:13:48
Speaker
So the opening weekend, they had 34,000 tickets sold.
00:13:51
Speaker
That's not bad.
00:13:52
Speaker
Yeah.
00:13:53
Speaker
I think that's a lot.
00:13:54
Speaker
Well, so this movie didn't open anywhere.
00:13:55
Speaker
Dude, I...
00:13:57
Speaker
Half of the internet has this movie is coming out in 1990.
00:13:59
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And it's like, if that's the case, then we have to just like delete this shit once we're done recording it.
00:14:04
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No, no.
00:14:04
Speaker
But I try to dig into it.
00:14:05
Speaker
And the closest I can figure out is like it came out in some festivals in 1990.
00:14:09
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And then it came out in like actual theatrical release in January of 91.
00:14:12
Speaker
The end of January, right.
00:14:14
Speaker
Yeah.
00:14:14
Speaker
So it's listed as a 90 and a 91 release, depending on where you look.
00:14:18
Speaker
Right.
00:14:18
Speaker
But it didn't open very wide and no one saw it.
00:14:21
Speaker
No.
00:14:22
Speaker
Nobody saw it.
00:14:22
Speaker
I didn't even know it was a movie until Biggin came around.
00:14:25
Speaker
Sequel spinoffs?
00:14:27
Speaker
No.
00:14:27
Speaker
Do you remember where you saw this?
00:14:29
Speaker
Wait, any awards?
00:14:30
Speaker
I didn't see any awards.
00:14:31
Speaker
Were there awards?
00:14:32
Speaker
No, there was none.
00:14:33
Speaker
There was the coveted Biggin award.
00:14:35
Speaker
That's it.
00:14:35
Speaker
It was the coveted three out of four sheens is what this got.
00:14:40
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Three out of four Estevez's love this movie.
00:14:44
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Yes, I do remember where I saw it the first time.
00:14:47
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It was at the farm in Holden sitting on Biggin's waterbed.
00:14:51
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sitting right next to the window unit, eating pork chop nuggets that his nanny made.
00:14:54
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And it was the whole time I was just riveted because I was like, this is so good.
00:15:00
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I love it.
00:15:01
Speaker
But again, like everybody that's listening to this is going to know Biggin except for like five people.
00:15:05
Speaker
So like they know the type of person he was.
00:15:08
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But the first time I ever met the dude, he was singing the song to the Five Heartbeats, the Nights Like This.
00:15:15
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And he was like humming something.
00:15:17
Speaker
And I was like,
00:15:18
Speaker
yeah i think i've heard that song but i can't this is way before the internet so you can't just look up lyrics and i didn't know the next line and i was like how's it go it's like i could feel it was over i was like but i don't know the rest and he was like oh and he just picked up right there and started singing and we were the bestest of friends and literally like three weeks later i'm sitting on his waterbed in the farm and holding friggin eating pork chop nuggets watching cadence
00:15:42
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Yeah, I remember like after a school assembly or something, we had to like – or we were getting ready for a dance and you had to like – we had to take all the chairs and tables out of the cafeteria so that the dance place would be like available.
00:15:54
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Oh, yeah, in the commons.
00:15:55
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:15:55
Speaker
Yeah, and we were walking through the commons like we're carrying chairs.
00:15:58
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We have dark stupid Catholic school uniforms on, but we're like singing like boys to men under pressure like me and you and Biggin and Kyle and probably like Nick and Johnny and just like up and down the halls.
00:16:06
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I'm talking about belting under pressure.
00:16:09
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:16:09
Speaker
Bunch of white people at this Catholic school.
00:16:12
Speaker
I didn't see this movie with Biggin, but I remember distinctly having a VHS tape with your handwriting on it that I probably – I think I probably still have at my parents' house like in an attic somewhere.
00:16:21
Speaker
That's – yeah, that's definitely – You like copied it from him and then he taught me all the quotes at football practice and then I watched the movie.
00:16:27
Speaker
And I think I still have it.
00:16:28
Speaker
No, dude, I can definitely remember dubbing the copy that he had because that that eagle in the very beginning, like I didn't know that was a thing until until I got the DVD.
00:16:38
Speaker
So like it was all like it was cut from wherever he got at the TV or whatever.
00:16:42
Speaker
Yeah, I can see it in my mind's eye, like your handwriting with like cadence.
00:16:47
Speaker
How many chimmy dogs you got for this one?
00:16:49
Speaker
One to ten, no sevens.
00:16:50
Speaker
No sevens.
00:16:51
Speaker
So a few things.
00:16:53
Speaker
I think it's well acted.
00:16:54
Speaker
I think it's lazily directed and it could have been more dynamic that way.
00:16:59
Speaker
But because it's so quotable, the nostalgia bump you gave the last one, I'm giving it a nostalgia bump also.
00:17:05
Speaker
And I'm giving it nine out of ten chimmy dogs.
00:17:07
Speaker
Nice, a nine.
00:17:08
Speaker
That's a big number.
00:17:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:17:10
Speaker
I agree.
00:17:10
Speaker
It's really well acted and it's really quotable.
00:17:12
Speaker
I couldn't believe how quotable it was when I was watching it back.
00:17:16
Speaker
So many quotes.
00:17:17
Speaker
I was like, how did I watch Hook a million times and there's nothing in that movie that I want to say?
00:17:21
Speaker
And I have said, stop clapping sweets like a thousand times from this movie.
00:17:26
Speaker
Oh, man.
00:17:26
Speaker
As soon as Jake heard him go, sweet, stop clapping.
00:17:29
Speaker
He was like, what the?
00:17:30
Speaker
He like knew because I say it all the time.
00:17:32
Speaker
It's great.
00:17:33
Speaker
I got it as an eight out of 10.
00:17:36
Speaker
I can't put it any lower than that, man.
00:17:37
Speaker
I just I really enjoyed it.
00:17:39
Speaker
Like I just I couldn't believe how good it was.
00:17:41
Speaker
I thought.
00:17:41
Speaker
What's not to like?
00:17:43
Speaker
I don't know, man.
00:17:43
Speaker
But I watched I love Defending Your Life and I watched it.
00:17:46
Speaker
I was like, this movie is boring.
00:17:47
Speaker
And then I loved Hook and I watched it.
00:17:49
Speaker
I was like, this movie is boring.
00:17:50
Speaker
And then I saw going into
Rewatchability and Performances
00:17:52
Speaker
this.
00:17:52
Speaker
I was like, this is going to be the worst of the bunch.
00:17:53
Speaker
This movie didn't even do well.
00:17:55
Speaker
And it was great.
00:17:56
Speaker
Way better than the others, too.
00:17:57
Speaker
I so thoroughly enjoyed it.
00:17:58
Speaker
Yeah, I can't.
00:17:59
Speaker
I honestly think it's my favorite movie that we've watched out of the eight.
00:18:03
Speaker
Really?
00:18:03
Speaker
Yeah.
00:18:03
Speaker
Nice.
00:18:04
Speaker
City Slickers, I think, is probably better, more quotable, funnier, more rewatchable.
00:18:09
Speaker
But this is maybe my favorite.
00:18:11
Speaker
Dude, and I can't tell if it's just because we watched it and quoted it so much or if it's because it really is good and quotable.
00:18:19
Speaker
I think it's good.
00:18:20
Speaker
I think it's quotable.
00:18:21
Speaker
I really do.
00:18:21
Speaker
There have been movies that I thought that were going to be quotable that we watched and then they were not.
00:18:25
Speaker
Right.
00:18:26
Speaker
I like when we get shaken up like that because I thought for sure I was going to watch the other one, Defending Your Life.
00:18:33
Speaker
I was like, oh, that's going to be good.
00:18:35
Speaker
And then you were just like, meh.
00:18:36
Speaker
And I was like, I still liked it, but not as much as I thought.
00:18:39
Speaker
Well, that to me is kind of one of the fun parts about doing this is how does the movie stack up to my memory of the movie?
00:18:45
Speaker
And sometimes it does, and that's great.
00:18:47
Speaker
And sometimes it doesn't, and that's fine too.
00:18:49
Speaker
Yeah, it's totally fine.
00:18:50
Speaker
Totally fine.
00:18:50
Speaker
And I really, this one, man.
00:18:53
Speaker
Killer.
00:18:53
Speaker
So well done.
00:18:54
Speaker
Yeah, let's do categories.
00:18:55
Speaker
Let's get into the best.
00:18:56
Speaker
All right, cool.
00:18:57
Speaker
Best scenes.
00:18:58
Speaker
What's your first scene?
00:18:59
Speaker
Man, it's hard to remember how you always talk about, oh, it's too big.
00:19:02
Speaker
It can't be just a scene.
00:19:04
Speaker
Yes.
00:19:04
Speaker
All right.
00:19:05
Speaker
So when he meets his new roommates and then the next morning lines up for inspection.
00:19:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:19:10
Speaker
I can't.
00:19:11
Speaker
Like when he walks in and they're listening to freaking classical opera or something and they're playing cards and come on down, Bean.
00:19:18
Speaker
Let me introduce you to the rest of the gentlemen's.
00:19:21
Speaker
Or like, what'd you pick that faraway bunk for?
00:19:24
Speaker
And it's like, what's your name?
00:19:25
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He's like, Bean.
00:19:26
Speaker
What's your first name there, Bean?
00:19:27
Speaker
Franklin.
00:19:28
Speaker
He's like, Frankenbeans?
00:19:29
Speaker
Like, dude, all of that.
00:19:31
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I'm like saying it while it's happening.
00:19:33
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Jake is just watching me and clapping.
00:19:35
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He's like, you're a loser.
00:19:36
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I can't believe it.
00:19:37
Speaker
And then you meet Sergeant McKinney for the first time.
00:19:40
Speaker
And I can't remember Martin Sheen's voice.
00:19:42
Speaker
Is that what it always sounds like?
00:19:44
Speaker
Tom Waits gargling hot asphalt?
00:19:46
Speaker
Dude, Martin Sheen, I was thinking about it during this movie.
00:19:48
Speaker
I was like, how did Martin Sheen have such a better voice than all of the other Sheens slash Estevez's?
00:19:53
Speaker
Yeah, he, dude, he was.
00:19:54
Speaker
He's got a great voice.
00:19:56
Speaker
When he's like, good God, Crane, you look like soup sandwich as usual.
00:19:59
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I was like, oh my God, that's amazing.
00:20:02
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Like I helped Jake get dressed and say that.
00:20:05
Speaker
So like, it's so quotable.
00:20:06
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It was kind of hard for me to get into Martin Sheen as like the jerk.
00:20:09
Speaker
Like he's the warden basically, but really he's a master sergeant, but he's the warden.
00:20:12
Speaker
He's in charge of the stockade and he's a racist jerk.
00:20:16
Speaker
And I just love Martin Sheen.
00:20:18
Speaker
It took me a while to like come around on him because he was doing a good job, but I just love Martin Sheen.
00:20:23
Speaker
Yeah, and some of the stuff I read online, people were saying Martin Sheen kind of phoned it in because he was also directing it.
00:20:30
Speaker
So it was hard for him to get into character, but I don't know, dude.
00:20:33
Speaker
That's a good scene.
00:20:34
Speaker
Bean meets the roommates, and then our first introduction to the Master Sergeant, Martin Sheen.
00:20:40
Speaker
But that whole setup, like how he has to look at them and inspect them each morning, and then he has to inspect them when they come back and like—
00:20:47
Speaker
Had clear sergeant, like that whole thing, I really liked because it helped you meet each character, I guess.
00:20:53
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I don't know.
00:20:54
Speaker
Like he was going through and giving gigs and it just set up each character.
00:20:58
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They never explained what a gig was, but we were led to believe that it was not a positive thing.
00:21:01
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Gigs mean trouble.
00:21:02
Speaker
Gigs mean trouble.
00:21:03
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And anytime you did something wrong, gig for Bean, gig for Webb.
00:21:06
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Hold that gig, Gerald.
00:21:08
Speaker
And then Charlie Sheen's brother, Ramon Estevez, would go, gig for Bean!
00:21:11
Speaker
And he would keep it on his clipboard.
00:21:13
Speaker
But my first scene was Bean, Charlie Sheen, playing Webb basketball.
00:21:19
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:21:20
Speaker
So one of the other inmates was Webb, played by the actor Michael Beach, and he and Charlie Sheen played a game of one-on-one for money.
00:21:28
Speaker
And Webb in the film was like a Golden Gloves boxer who had already messed up Charlie Sheen's face over some nonsense.
00:21:33
Speaker
Yeah.
00:21:35
Speaker
over a Zippo lighter that was Charlie Sheen's dad's.
00:21:38
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But yeah, I liked, I mean, you know, I like a sports, a little sports sequence, and especially in prison, like they're wearing like their full combat boots with the pants tucked into them and like.
00:21:47
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Yeah.
00:21:48
Speaker
And truthfully, the basketball in this movie was better done than the basketball in Hoosiers because they were using new shots for each like point.
00:21:56
Speaker
They weren't just reusing the same clip over and over again, which I liked.
00:21:59
Speaker
The same ball going in.
00:22:00
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Well, see, that was part of the thing that I marked as
00:22:03
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scenes that I didn't like, every shot was a cutaway.
00:22:06
Speaker
First of all, Charlie Sheen was like faking with his whole body.
00:22:10
Speaker
And then he was like going up for a shot.
00:22:12
Speaker
And there was only once there, they showed him actually shooting and it going in the rest of them were him shooting cut to the basket and then would roll through and drop in.
00:22:20
Speaker
Uh, but it was a different, I can't wait until we watch white men can't jump next year because there's going to be a lot of that.
00:22:26
Speaker
Yeah, there is.
00:22:27
Speaker
Dude, I mean, this is, I always think about this when there's sports movies, because really what you have are drama kids.
00:22:32
Speaker
Right.
00:22:32
Speaker
Pretending to be athletes.
00:22:33
Speaker
And when you show that on film, it's usually not very compelling.
00:22:36
Speaker
Although Michael Beach, who played Webb, was like a Division I running back prospect.
00:22:40
Speaker
And also, though, he, they showed his shots.
00:22:43
Speaker
Like, he did a couple of up and unders.
00:22:44
Speaker
He did like a reverse layup.
00:22:46
Speaker
Charlie Sheen did not really move his feet, left the baseline open.
00:22:49
Speaker
Yeah, boy.
00:22:50
Speaker
Boy, did he.
00:22:51
Speaker
But Charlie Sheen ended up winning movie magic.
00:22:56
Speaker
That's because Webb hurt his ankle.
00:22:58
Speaker
He hurt his ankle.
00:22:59
Speaker
Don't help him up, Bean.
00:23:00
Speaker
Don't help him up.
00:23:01
Speaker
Don't help him up.
00:23:03
Speaker
Whoop-a.
00:23:03
Speaker
One-eyed white boy.
00:23:06
Speaker
What else you got?
00:23:06
Speaker
So my second one is, I hope I don't take yours.
00:23:10
Speaker
It's the montage when they're teaching him how to dance, and they're all playing basketball, and they're playing football with the toilet paper, and they're playing the...
00:23:24
Speaker
You know I got the montage on my best scenes.
00:23:26
Speaker
That was absolutely – It was fantastic.
00:23:28
Speaker
So the cadence, the title of the movie, when the prisoners march together, they do a special cadence.
00:23:34
Speaker
Instead of just like the left, right, left, they do like some little dance steps and stuff.
00:23:38
Speaker
And then Bean – And they sing.
00:23:39
Speaker
Don't forget they sing.
00:23:40
Speaker
And they sing.
00:23:41
Speaker
They sing Sam Cooke's Chain Gang.
00:23:43
Speaker
They sing it a lot.
00:23:43
Speaker
They sing it very well.
00:23:44
Speaker
It was my favorite part of the movie.
00:23:45
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:46
Speaker
As soon as that part came on, I just told my wife, I was like, and you can see why Jeff and I love this movie.
00:23:51
Speaker
She's like, yeah, I absolutely can.
00:23:53
Speaker
It's just they're just they're doing dance moves and they're singing Sam Cooke.
00:23:56
Speaker
And it takes them 45 minutes to get to lunch because they're marching so slow.
00:24:01
Speaker
And they'll stop and turn around and go back the other way.
00:24:02
Speaker
It's like a line dance that slowly advances towards whatever they're headed towards.
00:24:06
Speaker
Soul Patrol.
00:24:07
Speaker
Soul Patrol.
00:24:08
Speaker
But Charlie Sheen had to learn their cadence, so they had to teach it to him.
00:24:12
Speaker
So there's like a montage where they're teaching him the dance moves and they're playing.
00:24:15
Speaker
And he keeps messing Lawrence up too.
00:24:17
Speaker
He's like, hold up, hold up.
00:24:18
Speaker
He's messing him up.
00:24:19
Speaker
You got me all twisted up.
00:24:20
Speaker
He's like, it's the left.
00:24:22
Speaker
Yeah, I got that.
00:24:23
Speaker
I got that as one of mine as well.
00:24:24
Speaker
I figured you did.
00:24:25
Speaker
I know you love a montage, and that was a really good one.
00:24:27
Speaker
And dude, when he finally gets it, and they're out in the field, and they're doing it, and it's like to the beat of the music that's playing, I don't know why, but it made me feel even extra better.
00:24:37
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Yeah, that's great, man.
00:24:37
Speaker
That was like, I was getting emotional.
00:24:39
Speaker
I love that stuff.
00:24:40
Speaker
And my last one was Sweets, Singing in Church.
00:24:44
Speaker
Oh, and you know he wrote that song.
00:24:45
Speaker
Yes, you sent me that YouTube clip.
00:24:47
Speaker
That was really awesome.
00:24:48
Speaker
You should share that on the show notes too.
00:24:50
Speaker
Yeah, I'll put that on the show notes.
00:24:52
Speaker
Harry Stewart, who plays Sweetbread Crane Sweets, who is in the movie, is slow, but has a beautiful singing voice.
00:24:59
Speaker
He's in church, playing this piano, playing this song, End of Our Journey, which is a song of his that he wrote.
00:25:05
Speaker
And he was really playing and singing in the movie, and it's pretty phenomenal.
00:25:08
Speaker
And then I found this guy, this is his only acting role.
00:25:11
Speaker
And apparently, like I tried to find what he's been up to, and there have been some articles written.
00:25:15
Speaker
I guess he's maybe been in and out of homelessness.
00:25:16
Speaker
But I found a video from like 2010 of him playing the song on a really out-of-tune piano in what looks like Times Square.
00:25:23
Speaker
Yeah, I was going to say it's in the middle of a city somewhere.
00:25:27
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Yeah, like a big city and like with a big crowd around him.
00:25:29
Speaker
So hopefully he is he is OK because he was he was great in this.
00:25:34
Speaker
But I don't think he's had an easy life.
00:25:36
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely.
00:25:37
Speaker
But that was my third scene.
00:25:38
Speaker
My third scene is at the very end where Charlie Sheen's getting a little emotional.
00:25:43
Speaker
He's holding his bag over his shoulder and he's like doing the dance steps as they're walking away one last time.
00:25:49
Speaker
And he's about to go to Vietnam and Webb turns around and he's like, hey, fella, which is what he called Webb in the beginning.
00:25:57
Speaker
And he gives him back his lighter and he tells him, like, don't let anybody take anything from you and stick with the brothers and they'll take care of you.
00:26:03
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And I was just like, yeah, just stick with him.
00:26:06
Speaker
I'm not crying.
00:26:07
Speaker
You're crying.
00:26:07
Speaker
Shut up.
00:26:08
Speaker
That was nice, but that was also kind of bittersweet.
00:26:10
Speaker
I didn't, I mean, we'll talk about it, but I wasn't like super excited about the end where all the black people stayed in prison and then Charlie Shane left.
00:26:18
Speaker
Yeah, but he just hit an MP where these other guys were a punk thug, an article 121.
00:26:24
Speaker
We'll talk about that too when we get to my favorite quotes.
00:26:27
Speaker
Yes, for sure.
00:26:28
Speaker
Well, I think that's it for the scene.
00:26:30
Speaker
So let's do the quotes next.
00:26:32
Speaker
And my number one quote is Charlie Sheen goes to – gets thrown in the stockade for getting tattoos on his – like back of his hand where you can see them and then hitting an MP.
00:26:41
Speaker
And then his lawyer goes, son, never hit an MP.
00:26:44
Speaker
And he goes, I don't even remember seeing an MP.
00:26:47
Speaker
Yes.
00:26:47
Speaker
Which is very quotable and I've quoted many a time over the years.
00:26:50
Speaker
Yes.
00:26:51
Speaker
I had to explain what an MP was to my kid, but now he knows, and I think he's going to start saying it too.
00:26:57
Speaker
My very first one was— Military police, by the way.
00:27:01
Speaker
Yeah, sorry, military.
00:27:02
Speaker
I guess I could have told everybody else.
00:27:03
Speaker
Yeah, man.
00:27:04
Speaker
Don't just teach your kid stuff.
00:27:05
Speaker
Just teach the whole world.
00:27:07
Speaker
Dude, I'm trying to keep him ahead of the game.
00:27:09
Speaker
My very first one was after everybody is cheering.
00:27:13
Speaker
Webb and Charlie Sheen are playing basketball against each other.
00:27:16
Speaker
If Charlie Sheen wins, the web has to help him with Michael Beach has to help him fix the windmill.
00:27:22
Speaker
And if he if if Webb wins, Charlie Sheen gives him 10 bucks.
00:27:25
Speaker
Bing gives him 10 bucks.
00:27:26
Speaker
So they play and it's really close and it comes down to the wire and he takes a spill on a layup and he says, oh, my ankle.
00:27:35
Speaker
And then he hits the bottom of the backboard like Joe Spangler on a fast break at his bitty basketball game.
00:27:40
Speaker
And then Charlie Sheen gets it and he's like, man, my ankle, hold up.
00:27:44
Speaker
And he shoots it from the outside and he drains it and wins the game.
00:27:47
Speaker
But the thing is, is everybody was cheering.
00:27:50
Speaker
The other guys were cheering for Webb, except for Sweet.
00:27:53
Speaker
Sweets was pulling for Bean.
00:27:56
Speaker
But when he goes to help him up, he goes, don't help him up, Bean.
00:27:59
Speaker
Don't help him up.
00:28:01
Speaker
Because everybody thought he was faking.
00:28:03
Speaker
And he was like, mmm, piddle for this to yourself.
00:28:05
Speaker
Whoop by one-eyed white boy.
00:28:07
Speaker
And if I had a nickel for every time that I said that while we played basketball, I would have a lot of nickels.
00:28:14
Speaker
It's just fantastic.
00:28:16
Speaker
And it's a throwaway line.
00:28:17
Speaker
It's like you don't even see him saying it.
00:28:19
Speaker
It's like just audio.
00:28:20
Speaker
Yeah, it's off camera.
00:28:21
Speaker
Well, so I was going to say this movie is written by one person.
00:28:25
Speaker
There's only one writer, which I like.
00:28:26
Speaker
You don't see that that much anymore.
00:28:28
Speaker
Usually movies have like three or four credited writers and probably another half dozen uncredited writers like doing punch up and doing dialogue and like pitching jokes.
00:28:35
Speaker
This is just one guy that writes this.
00:28:38
Speaker
Dennis Shuriak is his name.
00:28:40
Speaker
But I think it is safe to say, and the internet has also said when this movie came out, that most of the dialogue from the prisoners was ad-libbed by those actors.
00:28:49
Speaker
Why would it not be?
00:28:50
Speaker
Why would it not be?
00:28:51
Speaker
Yeah, if you have those actors, you don't need, like, an old Jewish guy trying to write the prisoners, like, slang.
00:28:58
Speaker
You got Larry Fishburne.
00:28:59
Speaker
Let the man cook.
00:29:00
Speaker
Let him do his thing.
00:29:01
Speaker
Let Larry breathe.
00:29:03
Speaker
So I just kept thinking, like, every time he would say something awesome, which was, like, every time he said anything, I was like, I'm sure that that was just Larry Fishburne being awesome.
00:29:09
Speaker
Right, absolutely.
00:29:10
Speaker
And the thing is, is the guy who said it is Private Lawrence, our own shining black prince.
00:29:15
Speaker
He was just, he was like frigging donkey on Shrek.
00:29:18
Speaker
He did not stop talking the whole time.
00:29:21
Speaker
It was fantastic.
00:29:22
Speaker
And all the prisoners had like really overly complicated handshakes, which I've always loved and I still love.
00:29:27
Speaker
Like, I'm sure that they made those up.
00:29:28
Speaker
I don't think they hired a handshake choreographer.
00:29:30
Speaker
I still know that handshake.
00:29:33
Speaker
That was a handshake bigger than I did all the time when we had enough time because it was long.
00:29:38
Speaker
Yeah, when you had some time, when you weren't in a hurry to get anywhere because it took a second.
00:29:42
Speaker
What's your second?
00:29:43
Speaker
My second one is the one that we have a clip for.
00:29:46
Speaker
Oh, sweet.
00:29:46
Speaker
So that's the same as mine.
00:29:47
Speaker
Yeah, so I'm going to hit that one.
00:29:49
Speaker
Did I tell you all about this dream?
00:29:50
Speaker
I bet you're gonna tell us about it.
00:29:51
Speaker
This was a woozy.
00:29:53
Speaker
I dreamt I woke up and I was white.
00:29:55
Speaker
Get out of here.
00:29:56
Speaker
Ain't no dream man.
00:29:57
Speaker
That's a nightmare.
00:29:58
Speaker
Don't I know it brother man?
00:29:59
Speaker
Look at the strangest urge.
00:30:02
Speaker
I started clapping on one and three.
00:30:04
Speaker
All right you loafers.
00:30:06
Speaker
Let's haul ass home.
00:30:08
Speaker
What else happened?
00:30:09
Speaker
Hey, man, I got to listen to all kinds of funny music like Clarence Clearwater Revival and Three Dogs in the Night.
00:30:14
Speaker
And dogs eating cream cheese and bagels.
00:30:18
Speaker
And not to mention the fact I wanted to chase around women with flat asses.
00:30:23
Speaker
Oh, man.
00:30:24
Speaker
Dude, when he says Clarence Clearwater Revival, fantastic.
00:30:29
Speaker
And Three Dogs in the Night.
00:30:32
Speaker
Especially knowing that I'm sure that whole thing was improv just made me so happy.
00:30:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:37
Speaker
Also, not to ruin it, but Creedence Clearwater Revival wasn't called that until after 1965.
00:30:42
Speaker
So he wouldn't have known that, but that's okay.
00:30:45
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:46
Speaker
Since only 34,000 people saw this movie, they probably got away with it.
00:30:51
Speaker
What's your next quote?
00:30:51
Speaker
That was my other one.
00:30:52
Speaker
And then my very last one was Charlie Sheen keeps asking him, how'd you manage that Article 121?
00:30:57
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:58
Speaker
And like, what are you in for?
00:30:59
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:59
Speaker
What are you in for?
00:31:00
Speaker
He's like, ask a man what he's convicted of, ask a man what he's accused of, but never ask a man what he's done.
00:31:06
Speaker
I don't know why that stuck with me.
00:31:07
Speaker
And I think about that a lot.
00:31:09
Speaker
Like I don't like every time somebody talks about somebody being in jail, I think about that quote and I'm like, am I not allowed to ask?
00:31:15
Speaker
Or is that just a am I only not supposed to ask compound leader Stokes?
00:31:18
Speaker
Like what?
00:31:19
Speaker
What's the deal?
00:31:20
Speaker
I just always assumed that that was like something that's true about anyone who's been incarcerated that I should just lock in and know.
00:31:27
Speaker
Like I just – it never occurred to me that like that was something he made up for this movie.
00:31:30
Speaker
I was like that makes total sense.
00:31:32
Speaker
If I meet anybody who has been in prison, I'm not asking what they did.
00:31:35
Speaker
That's what I do.
00:31:36
Speaker
I might ask.
00:31:37
Speaker
What were you accused of?
00:31:39
Speaker
What did you get railroaded into?
00:31:40
Speaker
But I'm certainly not saying.
00:31:41
Speaker
What did you do?
00:31:42
Speaker
How did those bastards manage to convict you of the Article 121?
00:31:45
Speaker
Exactly.
00:31:47
Speaker
Yeah, that was my quote as well.
00:31:50
Speaker
But I also have an honorable mention for Sweets.
00:31:53
Speaker
Stop clapping.
00:31:55
Speaker
Sweets is slow, so he has to be helped.
00:31:59
Speaker
I really like Sweets.
00:32:00
Speaker
I like how he woke up extra early, completely fully dressed.
00:32:04
Speaker
Dude, woke up super early, was fully dressed, was like cleaning stuff.
00:32:07
Speaker
Put the can out early so Gessner wouldn't have to find it.
00:32:10
Speaker
Moved the trash can out front because they banged the baton on it to wake everybody up.
00:32:14
Speaker
Like he's like getting everything set up in the morning, like the mom, like getting ready for school.
00:32:17
Speaker
Sweets are good to squared away.
00:32:19
Speaker
It's all full.
00:32:19
Speaker
His clothes are all folded and his sheets are all clean.
00:32:22
Speaker
That was really good.
00:32:23
Speaker
All right.
00:32:23
Speaker
Characters?
00:32:23
Speaker
Oh, no.
00:32:24
Speaker
Here we go.
00:32:25
Speaker
No dogs in this one.
00:32:26
Speaker
Now what do you do?
00:32:27
Speaker
So I'm starting off with Master Sergeant Otis McKinney played by Martin Sheen.
00:32:31
Speaker
Ramon Estevez Sr. Ramon Estevez Sr. He has like four names, by the way.
00:32:35
Speaker
It's like Ramon Antonio Gerard Estevez.
00:32:39
Speaker
That's what it is.
00:32:40
Speaker
I was so confused I had to go read his Wikipedia page.
00:32:42
Speaker
His mom was like Irish Catholic and his father I think was from Spain.
00:32:47
Speaker
And that's why he was told when he first moved to New York to be an actor.
00:32:49
Speaker
It's like you have to change your name from Estevez because first of all, no one's hiring Hispanic people and second of all, you look like you're Irish.
00:32:55
Speaker
He didn't have any trouble finding work.
00:32:56
Speaker
No, he did okay.
00:32:57
Speaker
Yeah, I picked Otis McKinney because I thought he played – I like the character.
00:33:03
Speaker
The fact that he's a little racist and he's kind of a bully but then also like –
00:33:08
Speaker
He's kind of crazy and he wants Charlie Sheen to be his son.
00:33:11
Speaker
And he's always yelling at his wife and he's getting drunk.
00:33:14
Speaker
He's throwing shoes on the roof and he's yelling the N word.
00:33:17
Speaker
Like all of those things are not Martin Sheen.
00:33:20
Speaker
And I thought he did a great job at it.
00:33:21
Speaker
So that character, I think he's a different movie without that character.
00:33:25
Speaker
Yeah, it's cool that, like, he was the main antagonist for the movie, and he obviously sucked.
00:33:31
Speaker
Like, you said he was a bully, he was racist, he was a drunk, he was, like, cussing out his wife, he was, like, trying to fight the prisoners.
00:33:36
Speaker
But at least he wasn't, at least he was three-dimensional.
00:33:40
Speaker
Like, they explained why he was that way.
00:33:42
Speaker
They humanized him.
00:33:43
Speaker
Like, he had a son that was, you know, couldn't get in touch with, and he was really unhappy with his family situation and
00:33:49
Speaker
Really unhappy that he couldn't go back to Vietnam because he wanted to go kill some other people that weren't white.
00:33:54
Speaker
Like, you know, it was cool that they gave him some dimension.
00:33:57
Speaker
Yeah.
00:33:57
Speaker
And by the way, did you see who was supposed to play Otis McKinney?
00:34:01
Speaker
Yes, I did.
00:34:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:01
Speaker
Nick Nolte.
00:34:02
Speaker
Nick Nolte.
00:34:03
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:03
Speaker
So Martin Sheen read this book.
00:34:05
Speaker
This was based on a book.
00:34:06
Speaker
Count of Lonely Kings.
00:34:07
Speaker
And he wanted to make the movie, the movie for a long time.
00:34:10
Speaker
And by the time he was able to, he was too old to play the lead.
00:34:13
Speaker
So he was just going to direct.
00:34:14
Speaker
He cast his son, Charlie, to play the lead.
00:34:17
Speaker
And he cast Nick Nolte to play his part, Sergeant, whatever his name is, Otis something or other.
00:34:22
Speaker
Doesn't matter.
00:34:24
Speaker
And then Nick Nolte did some Nick Nolte stuff and then couldn't do it.
00:34:27
Speaker
You can Google that.
00:34:28
Speaker
Yeah, cray cray.
00:34:29
Speaker
And so then he just stepped in and he directed and he starred and he set the whole thing up.
00:34:32
Speaker
But this is his this is kind of his pet project for like 15 years.
00:34:37
Speaker
Who's the guy who's not Nick Nolte, but he looks like Nick Nolte and I always get Nick Nolte.
00:34:41
Speaker
Gary Busey.
00:34:42
Speaker
Gary Busey.
00:34:43
Speaker
When I picture crazy Nick Nolte, I picture Gary Busey regular.
00:34:47
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:47
Speaker
Hopefully we can spend some time talking about Gary Busey when we do Under Siege next year.
00:34:53
Speaker
I just want him to get some teeth that fit his mouth.
00:34:55
Speaker
All right.
00:34:55
Speaker
Who's your first character?
00:34:58
Speaker
I have James Marshall who plays Lamar, who's like the good cop prison guard.
00:35:03
Speaker
I like Lamar.
00:35:05
Speaker
So like Ramon Estevez, Charlie Sheen's brother, is like the bad cop prison guard who's always sucking up to the warden and who's always like gigging people.
00:35:11
Speaker
And then Lamar is the good cop prison guard who's like, hey, guys, just keep it together.
00:35:16
Speaker
Don't get me in trouble.
00:35:17
Speaker
I don't want to hit you with the stick or whatever.
00:35:19
Speaker
Don't eyeball me, man.
00:35:20
Speaker
I'm just serving my time, too.
00:35:21
Speaker
Don't eyeball me, man.
00:35:22
Speaker
Yeah, so I liked that character.
00:35:24
Speaker
I liked, and I liked that actor.
00:35:25
Speaker
That actor, I kept trying to figure out, he is going to play PFC Loudon Downey next year in A Few Good Men.
00:35:32
Speaker
Yes, he is.
00:35:33
Speaker
He's also in a boxing movie.
00:35:35
Speaker
He was in a boxing movie.
00:35:35
Speaker
He was in Twin Peaks.
00:35:36
Speaker
He was in Growing Pains.
00:35:37
Speaker
He was in a bunch of stuff, but I just, I mainly knew him as PFC Loudon Downey from A Few Good Men.
00:35:41
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:42
Speaker
I remember him in the boxing movie with Cuba Gooding Jr., whatever the name of that was.
00:35:46
Speaker
Boat Trip?
00:35:46
Speaker
Boat Trip.
00:35:49
Speaker
Yes, the boxing movie boat trip.
00:35:52
Speaker
I want to say Gladiator, but I don't think that's right.
00:35:54
Speaker
With Horatio Sanz as his boxing trainer.
00:35:56
Speaker
So I had Corporal Lamar also...
00:35:59
Speaker
I also had Corporal Lamar.
00:36:01
Speaker
And my third favorite is Private Lawrence by John Tolles Bay.
00:36:04
Speaker
Private Lawrence, he just talked all the time, and he always had something smart to say.
00:36:09
Speaker
When he was like, lo and behold, if the creator had made anything better, he would have kept it for himself.
00:36:14
Speaker
He would have kept it for himself.
00:36:15
Speaker
Every dog has day, and good dogs have two.
00:36:18
Speaker
Shrek, when you ever hear somebody talk about it, they don't like no parfait.
00:36:22
Speaker
Shrek, that's a nice swamp.
00:36:25
Speaker
Yeah, he was good.
00:36:27
Speaker
He was a chatterbox, and I liked the stuff that he was saying.
00:36:29
Speaker
He had a couple quotes I didn't even try to write down, but I know that I liked them.
00:36:32
Speaker
Yeah, he was saying stuff like, they put the black man on welfare at the same time, kissed him farewell.
00:36:37
Speaker
He says something about, I love Clash's Marcellus Clay as much as the next man, but you have to wonder why in God's green earth he would embrace the nation of Islam and change his name.
00:36:49
Speaker
He was just going off.
00:36:50
Speaker
And meanwhile, everybody else is doing work.
00:36:52
Speaker
They're like picking up heavy shit and throwing it.
00:36:54
Speaker
And he's like walking with a shovel as a cane.
00:36:57
Speaker
Ah, just killing it.
00:36:58
Speaker
Yeah, they're breaking rocks into smaller rocks.
00:37:00
Speaker
And he's like doing diatribes about Cassius Clay.
00:37:03
Speaker
Yes.
00:37:03
Speaker
He was awesome.
00:37:04
Speaker
I had Michael Beach who played Webb.
00:37:06
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:07
Speaker
I got like a lot of like Michael B. Jordan vibes from him.
00:37:09
Speaker
Holy hell.
00:37:10
Speaker
That's who I picked to play him in the new version.
00:37:13
Speaker
I mean, he kind of looks like him.
00:37:14
Speaker
He's got like a similar build.
00:37:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:16
Speaker
And then I went and looked up Michael Beach, and that dude has done a bunch of work.
00:37:20
Speaker
Like he was on ER.
00:37:21
Speaker
He was in Lean on Me.
00:37:22
Speaker
He was on Waiting to Exhale.
00:37:23
Speaker
He was in Soul Food.
00:37:24
Speaker
He does a ton of TV.
00:37:25
Speaker
Yeah, he's on Grey's Anatomy right now, apparently, Kat said.
00:37:28
Speaker
Okay.
00:37:29
Speaker
I believe it.
00:37:30
Speaker
But yeah, I thought he was awesome.
00:37:32
Speaker
I mean, honestly, man, this movie, there's only like eight characters in it and they all did a really good job.
00:37:36
Speaker
Every single, you know, normally, and I talk about this when I have, when I talk about some of the other characters down at the bottom, normally you have like smaller parts, like these characters are like in the background and they don't have such a huge impact on the story.
00:37:50
Speaker
But man, the casting and acting was so freaking spot on for this.
00:37:55
Speaker
Like everybody, everybody's so believable in the part that they play.
00:37:59
Speaker
Like, I don't know if that is that Martin Sheen making that happen as a director.
00:38:02
Speaker
I don't know, man.
00:38:03
Speaker
Is it, is it because they're like ad libbing all their dialogue?
00:38:06
Speaker
They just like, everybody just gets to put their own spin on it.
00:38:09
Speaker
Like, I don't know what it is, but everybody was so good.
00:38:11
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:11
Speaker
I, dude, it was really, I, I'm telling you.
00:38:14
Speaker
And Kat was like,
00:38:15
Speaker
I've seen this movie once before, parts of it or something.
00:38:18
Speaker
And the whole time she was watching, she's like, this is really good.
00:38:20
Speaker
So, yeah, I have Master Sergeant McKinney, Corporal Lamar, and Private Lawrence.
00:38:25
Speaker
Who's your third?
00:38:26
Speaker
My third one is Larry Fishburne.
00:38:28
Speaker
Larry.
00:38:28
Speaker
I mean, just... Compound Leader Stokes.
00:38:30
Speaker
Compound Leader Stokes.
00:38:31
Speaker
Just being, like, effortlessly cool throughout this entire movie.
00:38:35
Speaker
Every movie he's in, he's that.
00:38:37
Speaker
I know.
00:38:37
Speaker
And like he's also I mean, he's the moral center of the group in the stockade.
00:38:42
Speaker
Like, you know, when anytime anytime there's any kind of like conflict, he's always like he's like, come over here, man.
00:38:46
Speaker
Let's talk about this.
00:38:47
Speaker
Like, let's let's shake it out.
00:38:48
Speaker
Like and McKinney likes him to compound.
00:38:51
Speaker
You're stoked.
00:38:51
Speaker
You're going to be a soldier one day again.
00:38:53
Speaker
Aren't you, sir?
00:38:54
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:55
Speaker
Yes, Sergeant.
00:38:55
Speaker
He's all squared away.
00:38:56
Speaker
He's got his shirt tucked in.
00:38:57
Speaker
Right.
00:38:58
Speaker
I couldn't tell.
00:38:58
Speaker
They all looked good to me.
00:38:59
Speaker
But Martin Sheen was mad at most of his poor shape.
00:39:03
Speaker
Gig for Lawrence.
00:39:04
Speaker
Gig for Lawrence.
00:39:05
Speaker
Gig for being – and we still don't know what Compound Leader Stokes did to get that Article 121.
00:39:09
Speaker
I guess we'll never know.
00:39:10
Speaker
I probably could have Googled what Article 121 is, but I didn't do that.
00:39:13
Speaker
And larceny.
00:39:14
Speaker
So what is that, stealing stuff?
00:39:16
Speaker
Yeah, isn't that like a car?
00:39:17
Speaker
I don't know.
00:39:18
Speaker
Larceny.
00:39:19
Speaker
Have the boy look it up.
00:39:21
Speaker
Have Mike Jones look it up.
00:39:22
Speaker
He Larsoned some stuff, and it was a lot of stuff.
00:39:24
Speaker
It was a big amount of stuff that he Larsoned.
00:39:26
Speaker
Yeah, we'll never know because Charlie Sheen asked him how those bastards managed to convict him of that Article 121.
00:39:32
Speaker
I feel sure it was a setup.
00:39:33
Speaker
Yeah, that's when he was like, you my friend, you want to stay my friend?
00:39:36
Speaker
Then let's leave it at that kind of thing.
00:39:38
Speaker
All right.
00:39:38
Speaker
Cool.
00:39:39
Speaker
The writer, director, actor, background, anything else?
00:39:42
Speaker
Yeah, real fast.
00:39:43
Speaker
Did my three characters, was it okay?
00:39:47
Speaker
I mean, I almost picked the bartender that sold him that last beer, but I thought maybe you'd be upset about that.
00:39:52
Speaker
Lachlan Monroe?
00:39:53
Speaker
I wouldn't be upset about that.
00:39:55
Speaker
Did you really look it up?
00:39:56
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:39:57
Speaker
I got him.
00:39:57
Speaker
Yeah, because you thought he was big man on campus, didn't you?
00:39:59
Speaker
Dead man on campus.
00:40:00
Speaker
He was.
00:40:00
Speaker
That was him?
00:40:01
Speaker
Yeah, that was him.
00:40:01
Speaker
No, it was not.
00:40:03
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:04
Speaker
Holy crap.
00:40:05
Speaker
The whole time I was like, I know that guy.
00:40:07
Speaker
I think he's from that movie with Zach Morris.
00:40:09
Speaker
Yes.
00:40:10
Speaker
Dead man on campus.
00:40:11
Speaker
That was him.
00:40:11
Speaker
He was in that movie.
00:40:12
Speaker
No, dude, you can't mess this up.
00:40:14
Speaker
There's only eight characters, and they all played an important role, and they all did a great job.
00:40:17
Speaker
Everybody's good.
00:40:17
Speaker
There's no dogs here that you could pick.
00:40:19
Speaker
There's no extras.
00:40:20
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:20
Speaker
And I didn't really like I like Spoon.
00:40:23
Speaker
I like the guy who killed the man and talked about it that time in bed.
00:40:27
Speaker
I really liked him.
00:40:27
Speaker
Actually, I liked him.
00:40:29
Speaker
And then at the are we going to ruin the ending?
00:40:32
Speaker
Do we talk about it's 30 years old.
00:40:33
Speaker
I don't think we're trying to not spoil anything.
00:40:35
Speaker
Well, like I know, but some people haven't seen this one.
00:40:38
Speaker
And this is one we maybe shouldn't spoil.
00:40:40
Speaker
Okay.
00:40:41
Speaker
All right.
00:40:41
Speaker
We're not going to spoil this movie.
00:40:43
Speaker
But at the end, at the very end, when they're all on their knees and he's weeping, I was like, holy hell, I believe that.
00:40:52
Speaker
Dude, really well acted.
00:40:53
Speaker
You said it.
00:40:54
Speaker
You're totally right.
00:40:55
Speaker
All these guys did a great job.
00:40:57
Speaker
Even Charlie Sheen crying in the beginning with his dad.
00:40:59
Speaker
Like, I was like, I believe that.
00:41:01
Speaker
He looks like he's really crying.
00:41:02
Speaker
Charlie Sheen, he was probably the weakest actor of the bunch, but he's totally believable.
00:41:07
Speaker
He did a good job.
00:41:07
Speaker
I mean, Charlie Sheen could act before he, like, went off the rails and started snorting tiger's blood and whatever the other stuff.
00:41:14
Speaker
Writer, director.
00:41:14
Speaker
I had Martin Sheen as the director.
00:41:16
Speaker
I just wanted to mention that.
00:41:17
Speaker
And then we talked about how it's the novel by Gordon Weaver, the writer.
00:41:20
Speaker
Count a Lonely Cadence.
00:41:22
Speaker
The guy who wrote the screenplay, the guy you talked about, Dennis Schrapp, he wrote Turner and Hooch.
00:41:27
Speaker
He wrote Turner and Hooch.
00:41:28
Speaker
He doesn't have a lot of credits, but he wrote Turner and Hooch, which is an excellent movie.
00:41:31
Speaker
And then he wrote the Turner and Hooch TV show that is currently happening.
00:41:34
Speaker
So I looked that up.
00:41:35
Speaker
He wrote the one of the episodes, but all the rest of them, they just have him credited as like characters he made.
00:41:41
Speaker
Because he created the characters.
00:41:43
Speaker
And then we talked about Corporal Gaster being Charlie Sheen's brother.
00:41:46
Speaker
I really liked how contained this movie was.
00:41:49
Speaker
Like, it was based off a book written by one guy, based off a screenplay written by one guy, that Martin Sheen saw and made with, like, a handful of people.
00:41:58
Speaker
Like, I like how contained that it is because it doesn't get – I just don't think that you create great stuff by committing.
00:42:03
Speaker
Right.
00:42:03
Speaker
And also there wasn't a lot of – like, they didn't have to have a lot of scenes.
00:42:08
Speaker
Like –
00:42:09
Speaker
Was that really Germany?
00:42:10
Speaker
I don't know where they filmed it.
00:42:11
Speaker
I have no idea.
00:42:11
Speaker
They might've done the whole thing in Montana where his like, where his dad's funeral was.
00:42:15
Speaker
Did that look like Montana to you?
00:42:16
Speaker
You've been there.
00:42:17
Speaker
Kind of.
00:42:17
Speaker
The fricking film was so grainy.
00:42:18
Speaker
It was hard to tell where they were, but no man, totally.
00:42:21
Speaker
I wrote that down.
00:42:21
Speaker
This is basically like, I think they call it an on the block production because everything takes place and they're really contained.
00:42:27
Speaker
Like there's only, I mean, there's like a couple of outdoor locations and then there's like a barracks and there's not a whole lot else.
00:42:32
Speaker
And then there are eight actors.
00:42:33
Speaker
Like this is such an easy movie to make for not a lot of money.
00:42:37
Speaker
So like the television equivalent of this movie would be what they call a bottle episode.
00:42:41
Speaker
Like, you know, in Friends, they would always do the Thanksgiving episode where it's just the six main characters in the apartment.
00:42:46
Speaker
They don't have any other people and they don't have any other sets.
00:42:49
Speaker
Right.
00:42:49
Speaker
And so like TV shows will always do bottle episodes to save money.
00:42:52
Speaker
But this is the same type of thing.
00:42:53
Speaker
But for a movie, it's like just a couple people, just a couple sets, a couple cameras and then like bang, go knock it out.
00:42:58
Speaker
They killed it.
00:42:59
Speaker
But I mean, it's the same way I feel about like, you know, if I read the like writing credits for Queen's Greatest Hits, it just says Freddie Mercury.
00:43:07
Speaker
And then if I read the writing credits for like Rihanna, there's like 35 people on it.
00:43:11
Speaker
That's for the Music Life Crisis podcast.
00:43:14
Speaker
Yeah, coming to you in 2023.
00:43:15
Speaker
Rihanna is not Freddie Mercury.
00:43:17
Speaker
No, I mean, I have nothing against Riri.
00:43:19
Speaker
I'm into it, but I'm just saying like, even Beyonce, who I think is an amazing songwriter, Beyonce's got some hits that have nine writers on it.
00:43:25
Speaker
But like, that isn't how it was in the 70s and 80s.
00:43:28
Speaker
Right, right.
00:43:29
Speaker
Like, it was just one person would just, like Dolly Parton, like Dolly Parton wrote like nine to five.
00:43:34
Speaker
And what's the other one?
00:43:35
Speaker
I'll Always Love You.
00:43:36
Speaker
She wrote those in the same day.
00:43:38
Speaker
That's why I don't know why we're not taking down statues of freaking General Lee and putting up statues of Dolly Parton.
00:43:43
Speaker
She's a freaking national treasure.
00:43:45
Speaker
I personally think like no more statues of white people, but if we want to go Dolly Parton, I'm good with that too.
00:43:50
Speaker
Yeah, Dolly Parton's the only person out there helping.
00:43:52
Speaker
Other good stuff from this?
00:43:54
Speaker
All of it?
00:43:55
Speaker
I don't know.
00:43:55
Speaker
The critics didn't like it that much, but I liked it a lot.
00:43:59
Speaker
Apparently other people do too.
00:44:00
Speaker
Like people who have seen it, like everybody I know that's seen it loves it.
00:44:04
Speaker
I had that the pacing was pretty good.
00:44:06
Speaker
Like it was 90 minutes.
00:44:07
Speaker
It was tight.
00:44:08
Speaker
Like there wasn't, there was nothing that I would have taken out.
00:44:11
Speaker
There is something I would have fixed, but we'll talk about that when we get to the worst.
00:44:14
Speaker
All right, right on.
00:44:14
Speaker
Yeah, Critical Reception, 6.5 out of 10 on IMDb, 70% on Rotten Tomatoes for the audience, like 40% for the critic.
00:44:21
Speaker
I think for Rotten Tomato, we're just going to give the audience ratings because critics hate everything.
00:44:25
Speaker
Yeah, critics are too tough on stuff.
00:44:27
Speaker
Those are the people that said Martin Sheen didn't do a great job.
00:44:30
Speaker
Yeah, forget those guys.
00:44:31
Speaker
What the hell do they know?
00:44:32
Speaker
I mean, a lot, more than us.
00:44:33
Speaker
Way more than us.
00:44:34
Speaker
Movie Life Crisis puts it at eight and a half out of ten chimmy dogs.
00:44:37
Speaker
So that's what you need to know about this movie.
00:44:38
Speaker
Right, that's exactly right.
00:44:39
Speaker
All right, cool.
00:44:40
Speaker
Let's do the worst.
00:44:41
Speaker
What do you got for the worst?
00:44:42
Speaker
So as far as the worst scenes, the very opening scene where it shows that
00:44:47
Speaker
Charlie Sheen, that he's like a loser and he has to go talk to the principal and his dad's there.
00:44:52
Speaker
It's like the throwback where he's looking backwards.
00:44:55
Speaker
And then all of that stuff took too long.
00:44:57
Speaker
For me, it took too long.
00:44:58
Speaker
Yeah, the flashback.
00:44:59
Speaker
Well, not just the flashback, though, just the whole beginning part.
00:45:02
Speaker
Like him riding the bus.
00:45:04
Speaker
Just show him riding the bus and then show him at the funeral.
00:45:07
Speaker
I didn't need to see a lot of that stuff.
00:45:09
Speaker
It just felt like it was dragging.
00:45:11
Speaker
And I almost lost Jake at that point because he was just like, I don't want to watch all this sad stuff.
00:45:16
Speaker
I was like, no, no, it gets better.
00:45:17
Speaker
And then it gets sad again.
00:45:18
Speaker
But it gets better.
00:45:20
Speaker
I don't know.
00:45:20
Speaker
It just took it seemed like it took too long.
00:45:22
Speaker
I know you said it's a tight 90 minutes and I agree.
00:45:24
Speaker
And the pacing was great once he pulled the glass out of his top of his head.
00:45:28
Speaker
I think that first whatever 10 minutes could have been five.
00:45:32
Speaker
No, I agree.
00:45:33
Speaker
I mean, that part was kind of slow.
00:45:35
Speaker
It didn't it didn't bother me because I know what's coming.
00:45:37
Speaker
But I could see how like your 10 year old is like, what the hell is this?
00:45:40
Speaker
Like, why?
00:45:41
Speaker
Because it's not like it's not like a lot of stuff happens there.
00:45:44
Speaker
The information that's revealed to us, we could have easily gotten a lot faster and easier.
00:45:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:48
Speaker
Yes.
00:45:49
Speaker
Yes.
00:45:49
Speaker
In this movie, when it's Charlie Sheen in the stockade with compound leader Stokes and the other guys, like, let's just do only that.
00:45:57
Speaker
Right.
00:45:58
Speaker
Like, anything that's not that, let's get out of here.
00:46:00
Speaker
Exactly.
00:46:01
Speaker
And I know we need the other stuff to set up the story, but like— We need a little bit.
00:46:04
Speaker
But yeah, I'm not opposed.
00:46:06
Speaker
What's your – you got a worst scene?
00:46:07
Speaker
One of my worst scenes was in the beginning of this movie.
00:46:09
Speaker
His dad's funeral is in Montana, and I just have a commentary on funerals and weddings and formal events in Montana.
00:46:16
Speaker
He's wearing his, like, full military outfit, and everyone in the church is wearing full suit and tie.
00:46:20
Speaker
I went to college in Montana.
00:46:22
Speaker
No one wears suits in Montana.
00:46:23
Speaker
I've been to weddings in Montana where people were wearing jean shorts, and by people, I mean the grooms.
00:46:29
Speaker
So there's no chance everybody's wearing suit and tie to this guy's funeral.
00:46:32
Speaker
So that was a real continuity error for me.
00:46:35
Speaker
I can see that.
00:46:36
Speaker
See, like all of that I didn't need.
00:46:38
Speaker
No, no, I didn't need that either.
00:46:39
Speaker
But that's what I mean.
00:46:40
Speaker
Like the worst stuff I have here is pretty minor.
00:46:43
Speaker
Like the other thing I have is like they're doing pushups as a punishment and they do four and then he lets them go.
00:46:48
Speaker
Like I can do four pushups.
00:46:49
Speaker
I can't.
00:46:50
Speaker
If you ask me to do seven, I probably will start confessing to shit.
00:46:52
Speaker
But like I could get them four.
00:46:54
Speaker
All right.
00:46:54
Speaker
I was young and I acted alone.
00:46:55
Speaker
Yeah.
00:46:56
Speaker
Yeah, but I think he let them go because they were all like, next stop, we drop.
00:47:00
Speaker
Next stop, we drop.
00:47:01
Speaker
And it wasn't like they were in like full resting position.
00:47:04
Speaker
So they were doing four, but it's not like they were banging out four.
00:47:07
Speaker
They were like holding it, holding it, holding it.
00:47:09
Speaker
Yeah, I know.
00:47:10
Speaker
They were doing them really hard.
00:47:11
Speaker
They would hold at the bottom and then go back up.
00:47:13
Speaker
And I know that you don't want to film them doing 30, but I was just like, the army guys, after four pushups, the punishment's done.
00:47:18
Speaker
That seems like not that much punishment.
00:47:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:20
Speaker
Gig for Bean.
00:47:21
Speaker
Gig for Bean.
00:47:22
Speaker
What else you got for worst?
00:47:23
Speaker
Dude, I didn't have any more worst scenes because they're all fantastic.
00:47:27
Speaker
All right.
00:47:27
Speaker
I got a couple more quick ones.
00:47:30
Speaker
So after – there's no way to do this without spoiling the movie.
00:47:33
Speaker
No, don't spoil it.
00:47:34
Speaker
It came out in January of 1990.
00:47:35
Speaker
I know, dude, but think about how many people haven't seen it.
00:47:39
Speaker
Most people have not seen it.
00:47:41
Speaker
Almost 7 billion people have not seen it, but I got to talk about it and I can't do that without spoiling it.
00:47:45
Speaker
Martin Sheen has a – Should we just tell people how far to skip ahead right here?
00:47:49
Speaker
Yeah, but we don't know.
00:47:50
Speaker
I mean we're in the present.
00:47:51
Speaker
We're not in the future.
00:47:52
Speaker
I know.
00:47:53
Speaker
You can go back and add it.
00:47:54
Speaker
Say, if you don't want to be spoiled, skip ahead 13 seconds.
00:47:57
Speaker
Yeah, let's just put that on my to-do pile.
00:47:59
Speaker
Skip 30 seconds if you don't want me to hear me say.
00:48:01
Speaker
Spoiler alert coming at you, 3, 2, 1.
00:48:03
Speaker
Martin Sheen has a breakdown, takes the troops out in the middle of the night, and starts shooting at them and kills sweets.
00:48:10
Speaker
Oh, man.
00:48:11
Speaker
And then the end of the movie is Martin Sheen, who gets off.
00:48:14
Speaker
He does not have to serve any military time for having committed this crime.
00:48:18
Speaker
But then one of the final scenes of the movie is he's had a psychotic break, and he's like in a padded room in his underwear, like painting a watercolor.
00:48:25
Speaker
And they never said why that happened.
00:48:27
Speaker
Uh, cause he's crazy.
00:48:28
Speaker
I know, but why?
00:48:29
Speaker
How, I mean, like what, what, what was the thing that made him crazy?
00:48:32
Speaker
Like he was at the hearing and he was fine.
00:48:35
Speaker
Uh, but yeah, he didn't say anything.
00:48:36
Speaker
He looked kind of crazy.
00:48:37
Speaker
He had crazy eyes.
00:48:38
Speaker
I'm with you.
00:48:39
Speaker
I agree.
00:48:40
Speaker
I didn't understand that really all too well.
00:48:42
Speaker
Closure.
00:48:42
Speaker
Maybe you don't want him to just get off.
00:48:44
Speaker
You don't want him to get off, but I didn't understand how he got to where he was, which is like he shot him.
00:48:48
Speaker
He got away with it.
00:48:49
Speaker
Everyone's like high five.
00:48:50
Speaker
And it's like, congratulations.
00:48:52
Speaker
You're totally fine.
00:48:52
Speaker
And then it's like cut to he's in his underwear doing a watercolor painting in a padded room.
00:48:56
Speaker
And I didn't know how we got there.
00:48:58
Speaker
And the watercolor had a windmill in it.
00:49:00
Speaker
It was a windmill.
00:49:01
Speaker
They could have maybe explained it, but then it would have been 92 minutes.
00:49:04
Speaker
I don't know.
00:49:04
Speaker
I'm with you.
00:49:06
Speaker
The only bad scene that I think is actually really bad is just like it's kind of you couldn't do the movie without it.
00:49:11
Speaker
But like Charlie Sheen pushes him to this point by constantly having an attitude with him.
00:49:15
Speaker
And then like as a consequence of Charlie Sheen pushing this warden to his breaking point, one of Charlie Sheen's friends gets shot, who's a black guy, and Charlie Sheen gets released.
00:49:27
Speaker
And I know that's the point of the movie, but I didn't like it.
00:49:31
Speaker
I don't like that.
00:49:32
Speaker
I don't want to watch any more of that.
00:49:33
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:33
Speaker
No, I'm with you.
00:49:34
Speaker
I understand where you're coming from.
00:49:36
Speaker
Should there be consequences for Charlie Sheen just not backing down?
00:49:40
Speaker
I don't like when the consequences don't land on the right person.
00:49:44
Speaker
And Charlie Sheen was the one who pushed him and like he got off with nothing.
00:49:48
Speaker
Yeah, but dude, you can't just say like, like they even talk about it in the movies.
00:49:53
Speaker
Like, dude, trying to push.
00:49:54
Speaker
He's like, I'm not pushing.
00:49:55
Speaker
I'm just not backing down.
00:49:57
Speaker
And the guy said when he was sitting there with the chocolates, that old scene.
00:50:01
Speaker
And he's like, be frank with me.
00:50:03
Speaker
Tell me what you don't like.
00:50:04
Speaker
And he's like, you're a bully and I hate everything you stand for.
00:50:07
Speaker
No, I know.
00:50:07
Speaker
I know that this was the message that the movie was trying to convey, but I just, I don't want to watch any more of that message.
00:50:13
Speaker
I'm aware of that message.
00:50:14
Speaker
I don't, I don't like it.
00:50:15
Speaker
You want Charlie Sheen to not say anything at the end and Martin Sheen go to prison.
00:50:20
Speaker
Well, yeah.
00:50:21
Speaker
I want Martin Sheen to go into the stockade.
00:50:23
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:24
Speaker
And I want Charlie Sheen to also suffer some consequences.
00:50:26
Speaker
Like maybe he gets shot in the leg and sweets lives and Martin Sheen goes to, goes to the stockade.
00:50:31
Speaker
With the black guys?
00:50:32
Speaker
Yes.
00:50:33
Speaker
Okay.
00:50:33
Speaker
Okay.
00:50:33
Speaker
Yes, that's how I would have ended it.
00:50:35
Speaker
Charlie Sheen takes one in the leg, Sweets is fine, and Martin Sheen goes to the stockade for having tried to kill the prisoners he was in charge of guarding.
00:50:43
Speaker
That probably is not as good or as thought-provoking a movie, but everything sits in order there, and then I can sleep at night.
00:50:49
Speaker
Yeah, I like how it's not in order.
00:50:51
Speaker
I know.
00:50:51
Speaker
I'm sure that it's way better that way, but I'm just saying, I mean, I'm saying like it bothered me and I think the point was for it to bother me.
00:50:57
Speaker
I think that was the purpose of the movie.
00:50:59
Speaker
I think that's why Mark Machine was attracted to the book.
00:51:01
Speaker
Right.
00:51:02
Speaker
All right.
00:51:02
Speaker
So I don't have any other scenes.
00:51:03
Speaker
You got any other scenes?
00:51:04
Speaker
No, just that's it.
00:51:05
Speaker
What about worst characters?
00:51:07
Speaker
I didn't have any worse characters.
00:51:08
Speaker
Martin Sheen's character was the worst person in this movie, but he was supposed to be, and he did a great job of portraying it.
00:51:15
Speaker
And like we talked about, like everybody was really good.
00:51:18
Speaker
The only person I didn't like, the tattoo artist, was she Hispanic?
00:51:22
Speaker
I couldn't tell.
00:51:23
Speaker
It sounded like she was in a Hispanic accent.
00:51:25
Speaker
And then also he called her Senora.
00:51:28
Speaker
Is that Miss in German?
00:51:29
Speaker
That doesn't sound German.
00:51:31
Speaker
German's so angry.
00:51:33
Speaker
It's Fraulein.
00:51:34
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:51:35
Speaker
He calls her Signora and then he gets the tattoos right here where they show.
00:51:39
Speaker
And I know they needed that because they needed to show like how much he didn't want to be in the army and stuff like that.
00:51:43
Speaker
But like, I just didn't understand the
00:51:46
Speaker
Why is she Hispanic in the middle?
00:51:48
Speaker
I guess there's probably Hispanic people in Germany, right?
00:51:51
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:51
Speaker
I mean, I don't know.
00:51:52
Speaker
Maybe she was an Estevez.
00:51:53
Speaker
Maybe it was another Estevez in there.
00:51:54
Speaker
She wasn't.
00:51:55
Speaker
She was, I looked it up.
00:51:56
Speaker
Her name was like Jen Gasson.
00:51:57
Speaker
Was it Sheen?
00:51:59
Speaker
No, no, no.
00:52:00
Speaker
It was not.
00:52:01
Speaker
But yeah, I don't know.
00:52:02
Speaker
That was my only quarrel with the character.
00:52:04
Speaker
Everybody else was great.
00:52:05
Speaker
Okay.
00:52:06
Speaker
CGI.
00:52:07
Speaker
I didn't have any CGI.
00:52:08
Speaker
I didn't have any CGI.
00:52:09
Speaker
I don't think there was.
00:52:09
Speaker
I think on the $4 million budget, I think Martin Sheen was holding the camera even when he was acting in the scenes.
00:52:15
Speaker
What about Old Tech Alert?
00:52:16
Speaker
I mean, it's set in 1965, so there was like pay phones and old cars, but not really.
00:52:20
Speaker
Right, right.
00:52:21
Speaker
I mean, it's so old, there's not even any cell phones in this movie.
00:52:23
Speaker
There's no fax machines.
00:52:24
Speaker
There's no.
00:52:25
Speaker
Did you see anything?
00:52:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:26
Speaker
So the pay phones, I was like, oh, the pay phone where he's calling Edith and he's yelling at his wife.
00:52:31
Speaker
The payphone has push button things.
00:52:33
Speaker
Nothing like rotary dial.
00:52:34
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:35
Speaker
And I think the push buttons didn't come out until after.
00:52:37
Speaker
Nice.
00:52:38
Speaker
And then he was smoking in the medical treatment facility.
00:52:42
Speaker
I mean, they were smoking everywhere, but he was smoking in the hospital bed.
00:52:45
Speaker
So I just figured we'd mention that because you can't do that anymore.
00:52:48
Speaker
No, but you could in the 60s for sure.
00:52:50
Speaker
Yeah, you definitely could, but you couldn't now.
00:52:52
Speaker
The only – this isn't really CGI, but the – I mean I think they must have shot this movie on like actual – Film.
00:52:58
Speaker
Well, yeah.
00:52:58
Speaker
I mean they shot all the movies in the 90s on film.
00:53:00
Speaker
There weren't any digital cameras, movie cameras.
00:53:03
Speaker
But this for whatever reason looks so much worse.
00:53:06
Speaker
You can see the cigarette burns and stuff for some reason on some parts.
00:53:10
Speaker
It's just – it's really grainy.
00:53:12
Speaker
Like especially compared to like we watched Hook.
00:53:14
Speaker
It looks pretty good.
00:53:15
Speaker
Well, now I can't wait to find the 4K version, though, on YouTube.
00:53:17
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:53:18
Speaker
I found a 4K version of this that was upscaled, like using some kind of AI stuff on YouTube, and it actually looks pretty good.
00:53:24
Speaker
So I'm going to have to put that out there in the show notes as well for people who want to see this in crispy 4K.
00:53:29
Speaker
What about political incorrectness?
00:53:31
Speaker
All the political incorrectness was supposed to be there, right?
00:53:34
Speaker
Yeah, the point of the movie was the political incorrectness, which is black people in prison with white people watching over them for stuff that they probably mostly didn't do.
00:53:43
Speaker
But like Jeff said, we've solved that problem, thankfully, now that we had our black president.
00:53:47
Speaker
Simple.
00:53:48
Speaker
Shaped, done, and done.
00:53:50
Speaker
Racism conquered, good to go, except not so much.
00:53:53
Speaker
This is just as much of an issue now as it was when this thing was written 60 years ago, maybe even more so.
00:53:58
Speaker
Right.
00:53:58
Speaker
But yeah, no accidental political incorrectness, just the intentional political incorrectness that was the entire movie.
00:54:03
Speaker
Right.
00:54:04
Speaker
And you should – if you could have seen Jake's face when they were doing the march in the mud and the rain at the end, and he was talking about – he kept saying the N-word.
00:54:14
Speaker
And he kept saying, like, I want to see that inward
Character and Social Commentary
00:54:18
Speaker
shuffle.
00:54:18
Speaker
And he's like, start dancing.
00:54:20
Speaker
Come on.
00:54:20
Speaker
And every time he would say it, Jake would just be like, like, I can hear him like audibly gasp.
00:54:25
Speaker
Like he was like, what?
00:54:26
Speaker
I can't what?
00:54:27
Speaker
Because that's not how we roll over here.
00:54:29
Speaker
So he doesn't really hear that.
00:54:30
Speaker
That's exactly what I was doing.
00:54:31
Speaker
Because I was like, Martin Sheen wouldn't do that.
00:54:33
Speaker
Yeah, especially the president that he played in West Wing either.
00:54:37
Speaker
Jed Bartlett.
00:54:38
Speaker
Jed Estevez Bartlett.
00:54:40
Speaker
Ramon Jed Estevez Bartlett.
00:54:44
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think any of the political incorrectness was there.
00:54:48
Speaker
Just like when he put the ball down at the playing pool and he's like, all right, watch this.
00:54:53
Speaker
I'm going to mow him down like some gooks on a rice cake or something horribly racist.
00:54:57
Speaker
And I was like, what the heck?
00:54:58
Speaker
Like he's just throwing it out there.
00:55:00
Speaker
It's like he's from Louisiana.
00:55:01
Speaker
Yeah, he's just laying down that old school racism.
00:55:03
Speaker
He's just in a bar, just yelling it out.
00:55:05
Speaker
Yeah, but he probably doesn't think that he's racist because he's racist against everyone.
00:55:10
Speaker
So he thinks it's like equal opportunity.
00:55:12
Speaker
Like Homer getting out of jury duty.
00:55:13
Speaker
The trick is to tell him you're prejudiced against all racists.
00:55:17
Speaker
Yeah, I tell my students that all the time.
00:55:18
Speaker
I'm like, I don't hate you because you're a girl or hate him because he's black.
00:55:21
Speaker
I hate all of y'all because you make me be here.
00:55:23
Speaker
If y'all weren't here, I could be at home.
00:55:24
Speaker
They're like, geez, Mr. Horn, God.
00:55:27
Speaker
Okay, next.
00:55:28
Speaker
Hi, I'm Troy McClure.
00:55:30
Speaker
You may remember me from such films as The Greatest Story Ever Hoolered, and They Came to Burgle Carnegie Hall.
00:55:37
Speaker
Oh, man.
00:55:37
Speaker
I miss that dude.
00:55:38
Speaker
Phil Hartman gone too soon.
00:55:40
Speaker
Cameos.
00:55:40
Speaker
I have Lachlan Monroe, who we already mentioned, who's the bartender, who is an all-time, like, oh, that guy.
00:55:47
Speaker
254 acting credits on his IMDb page.
00:55:50
Speaker
Jeez, I'm Pete.
00:55:51
Speaker
This is his first movie role.
00:55:53
Speaker
But then, like you said, he's a dead man on campus.
00:55:56
Speaker
He's in White Chicks.
00:55:58
Speaker
He's in Unforgiven.
00:55:59
Speaker
He's in, like, a billion TV shows.
00:56:01
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, a bunch of them.
00:56:01
Speaker
But he's one of those guys that if you go like, who the heck is that person, Lachlan Monroe, go Google it.
00:56:05
Speaker
And you'll be like, oh, yeah, of course that guy.
00:56:07
Speaker
No, I knew who he was.
00:56:09
Speaker
I just didn't think I actually guessed it right.
00:56:10
Speaker
You did.
00:56:11
Speaker
Dead man on campus.
00:56:12
Speaker
And then the other one I have is F. Murray Abraham.
00:56:14
Speaker
That's who I had.
00:56:15
Speaker
F. Murray Abraham.
00:56:16
Speaker
That dude's awesome.
00:56:17
Speaker
who is uncredited, but who is Martin Sheen's defense attorney at the end of the movie.
00:56:21
Speaker
Academy Award winner F. Murray Abraham, uncredited in this movie.
00:56:24
Speaker
And he's also Charlie Sheen's attorney.
00:56:27
Speaker
He's the attorney for the whole base, apparently.
00:56:29
Speaker
He's handling all of the attorney work.
00:56:31
Speaker
But those are the only two that I had.
00:56:32
Speaker
Like I said, there's like eight people in this movie.
00:56:34
Speaker
Yeah, no, that's the only two I had also.
Censorship and Racism in Film
00:56:36
Speaker
All right, cool.
00:56:36
Speaker
Five questions.
00:56:37
Speaker
Is it OK for kids?
00:56:38
Speaker
What age and why?
00:56:39
Speaker
All right.
00:56:40
Speaker
So if your kids have heard dirty words before and they're OK with racism,
00:56:45
Speaker
then I think if they know how to process that kind of information, then I think it's okay for a 10-year-old to watch this.
00:56:52
Speaker
But there are a few angry S-words.
00:56:54
Speaker
There's one F-word at the very end, which is sad.
00:56:57
Speaker
My kids have heard these words before, and he knows not to say them, and he knows when I say them, it's bad and wrong.
00:57:04
Speaker
So I think it's okay for kids.
00:57:06
Speaker
I'd say 10, but most kids I'd probably say 13.
00:57:08
Speaker
See, I feel like the cursing and stuff, I don't care about that.
00:57:12
Speaker
But is it okay for a 10-year-old to see the beloved character getting shot?
00:57:18
Speaker
He handled it all right.
00:57:20
Speaker
Jake did, I mean.
00:57:21
Speaker
Okay.
00:57:21
Speaker
But he was just like –
00:57:23
Speaker
I mean, first of all, the face he was making, he was just like, because he thought, because you don't see it right at first.
00:57:28
Speaker
You know, Charlie Sheen gives him the shoulder and you think, okay, everything's fine.
00:57:31
Speaker
And then you see him roll over.
00:57:33
Speaker
And Jake was like, sweet.
00:57:36
Speaker
Like he freaking yelled it.
00:57:37
Speaker
So like, I don't know.
00:57:39
Speaker
He handled it fine.
00:57:40
Speaker
He handles that stuff okay.
00:57:42
Speaker
See, I feel like if I would have seen this when I was 10, it would have been like seeing old Yeller.
00:57:45
Speaker
It would have f***ed me up for life.
00:57:47
Speaker
Tie him to a tree and hit him with a shovel.
00:57:50
Speaker
Or however, they killed old Yeller.
00:57:52
Speaker
Did they shoot him?
00:57:53
Speaker
They shot him.
00:57:54
Speaker
Oh, they shot him.
00:57:55
Speaker
They freaking shot him.
00:57:56
Speaker
I'll never forget.
00:57:57
Speaker
What's the movie with the deer?
00:57:59
Speaker
Bambi?
00:57:59
Speaker
No.
00:58:01
Speaker
Yes, it was very sad when the man stopped drawing the deer.
00:58:05
Speaker
No, no.
00:58:05
Speaker
What's the... All right, so The Yearling?
00:58:08
Speaker
No.
00:58:08
Speaker
The Yearling?
00:58:09
Speaker
I mean, that was a movie.
00:58:10
Speaker
Is that about a deer?
00:58:11
Speaker
No.
00:58:11
Speaker
What's a baby deer called?
00:58:12
Speaker
Yeah, it is.
00:58:13
Speaker
I think The Yearling is a book.
00:58:15
Speaker
I don't know if there's a movie or not, actually.
00:58:16
Speaker
Come to think of it.
00:58:17
Speaker
What's the movie with Paul Reiser?
00:58:19
Speaker
And he's a divorced dad and he has to pick up his kids at McDonald's.
00:58:23
Speaker
What movie?
00:58:24
Speaker
Bye Bye Love.
00:58:24
Speaker
Bye Bye Love.
00:58:25
Speaker
And they want to rent the movie and they keep the little boys talking about renting the yearling and they all cry at the end because they shoot the deer.
00:58:33
Speaker
I think that confused with Old Yeller all the time.
00:58:36
Speaker
So yeah, I'm saying yes.
00:58:38
Speaker
Let the kids at 13 watch it.
00:58:39
Speaker
Unless your kid is maturated up to the point of dirty words, then I say let them watch it.
00:58:46
Speaker
Would this movie get made if it were pitched now?
00:58:48
Speaker
What do you think?
00:58:49
Speaker
I think since racism's cured, I don't think we need to make movies like this anymore.
00:58:55
Speaker
No, it's a period movie, so I think it still would be made.
00:58:58
Speaker
They could keep...
00:58:59
Speaker
Like a lot of the same stuff.
00:59:01
Speaker
I think they could, you know, I think they could keep it at the same time frame and all that stuff.
00:59:05
Speaker
And I think they could make it again.
00:59:06
Speaker
Yeah.
00:59:06
Speaker
I mean, they could also just make it like with Afghanistan from six years ago and it would work just as well.
00:59:12
Speaker
I mean, you could make this movie.
00:59:14
Speaker
Like I said, it's, there's not very many people.
00:59:15
Speaker
There's not very many sets.
00:59:16
Speaker
It wouldn't take a lot.
00:59:17
Speaker
I hope that they don't, I don't want to see any more of this.
00:59:21
Speaker
We've got a lot of movies about black people wrongly imprisoned and I don't enjoy them.
00:59:25
Speaker
I know they're important so that we don't forget that that's what's actually happened, but I just don't.
00:59:28
Speaker
But that's my question to you.
00:59:30
Speaker
If we don't show stuff like this, there's enough people that say that it's not happening.
00:59:36
Speaker
Just like the whole they don't show people dying in war anymore.
00:59:39
Speaker
They show the caskets coming home, but they don't ever show people like shot in the streets on the news here because they're not allowed.
00:59:45
Speaker
So like people are just like, yeah, 20, 20 people died in Afghanistan that were U.S. people.
00:59:50
Speaker
And you're just like, oh, that sucks.
00:59:51
Speaker
20 people.
00:59:52
Speaker
But if you saw their bodies like strewn all over the ground, you might go, oh, my goodness.
00:59:56
Speaker
Which is the whole reason.
00:59:57
Speaker
I mean, Vietnam's in this movie and that's the whole reason the tide started turning there.
01:00:01
Speaker
Like you started seeing stuff and they were like, why the hell are we over there again?
01:00:05
Speaker
But now you can't show that.
01:00:06
Speaker
So maybe we need to have movies like this so people go, oh, damn, that's really not that good.
01:00:11
Speaker
We should stop being racist.
01:00:13
Speaker
So like full disclosure, Jeff and I are aware that we're white guys in our 40s and that we're not all that well qualified to talk about whether this is an appropriate movie for society.
Diverse Perspectives and Future Episodes
01:00:23
Speaker
And we have...
01:00:24
Speaker
made attempts to reach out to people who aren't just middle-aged white guys to come on and talk with us about movies like this so that we can learn some stuff that we don't know.
01:00:33
Speaker
We haven't had any success yet, but we're not going to stop trying.
01:00:36
Speaker
We're going to have some guests on for future movies that are women and that are people of color and that are LGBT that can give perspectives that Jeff and I don't have because –
01:00:48
Speaker
We can't help that we're middle-aged white guys, but we know that there are other perspectives out there, and we're going to try to get some of those folks to come talk with us.
01:00:53
Speaker
Right, all right.
01:00:54
Speaker
I want to – yes, please.
01:00:56
Speaker
Because there's a lot that I don't know, and that's how I'll learn it by talking to those people as soon as I can find some of them who will agree to come talk to us.
01:01:04
Speaker
And look, I'm always willing to learn new stuff.
01:01:06
Speaker
And I'm not saying that movies change people's minds, but Jake seeing this movie the whole time, he was just like, golly, what's wrong with that guy?
01:01:13
Speaker
Like, he's a racist.
01:01:14
Speaker
Yeah, racism sucks.
01:01:15
Speaker
I'm like, you already knew that.
01:01:17
Speaker
But like, that just drove it home a little more.
01:01:19
Speaker
I don't know.
01:01:20
Speaker
I mean, I know representation is really important, and I know that seeing things the way that they actually are is good for people who don't think that that's the way that they are.
01:01:27
Speaker
But I also don't know how many people are going to see those movies that don't already hold those views.
01:01:34
Speaker
Did people go see Cadence and walk out and go like, man, that racism is like real.
01:01:37
Speaker
I didn't realize that.
01:01:38
Speaker
We probably should like think about that.
01:01:40
Speaker
Right.
01:01:40
Speaker
Right.
01:01:40
Speaker
Or did only people go see it that already knew that?
01:01:43
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, every other year there's like an Oscar-nominated movie that's about racism in the 1960s.
01:01:49
Speaker
Like there's been 25 of them I could name if I opened Wikipedia, not off the top of my head.
01:01:54
Speaker
But like is freaking Jethro with his like camouflage hat and his boots going in there and going like, ah, damn, that racism is no joke.
01:02:00
Speaker
I finally understand.
01:02:01
Speaker
Or is it only people like me and you who like already know that it's not a joke?
01:02:05
Speaker
I don't know.
01:02:06
Speaker
I figure if it changes one person's mind, it's worth it.
01:02:09
Speaker
That's how I always feel when I'm teaching stuff.
01:02:11
Speaker
Yeah, I do.
01:02:11
Speaker
Absolutely.
01:02:12
Speaker
But yes, they'll keep making movies about racism and I'll see some of them and I will not enjoy them that much.
01:02:17
Speaker
And I know they're important, so that's fine.
01:02:19
Speaker
But I don't want them to remake this one.
01:02:20
Speaker
I don't want to watch it, a new version.
01:02:22
Speaker
I'll just watch this version again and then pour some out for big and then shed some tears for spoiler alert, sweets.
01:02:28
Speaker
Yeah.
01:02:30
Speaker
Pass forward.
01:02:30
Speaker
Dude, I'm not spoiler alerting movies from 30 years ago.
01:02:34
Speaker
I don't have that kind of time.
01:02:35
Speaker
But this one, if it's not the 34,000 people that saw it, I wanted them to feel what I felt.
01:02:41
Speaker
Well, I think that we got to put it out there, like what movie we're doing so people can watch it before the podcast.
01:02:45
Speaker
I think that's the order.
01:02:46
Speaker
You watch the movie and then you listen.
01:02:48
Speaker
Good call.
01:02:48
Speaker
So that way we don't have to worry about spoiling any movies that are so old they would have back pains if they were people.
01:02:54
Speaker
Yes.
01:02:55
Speaker
So if he does remake it, is it a movie or a TV show?
01:02:58
Speaker
It's got to be a movie, right?
01:02:59
Speaker
Pass.
01:03:00
Speaker
I don't want to do it again.
01:03:00
Speaker
Don't want to do it again.
01:03:01
Speaker
Yeah, no, movie.
01:03:02
Speaker
Definitely movie if you have to.
01:03:04
Speaker
So did you even come up with people that play the lead if you make it now?
01:03:07
Speaker
No.
01:03:08
Speaker
No, I don't want to.
01:03:08
Speaker
You don't want to make it at all?
01:03:09
Speaker
No, I didn't.
01:03:11
Speaker
Give me yours.
01:03:11
Speaker
Who do you have to recast this movie?
01:03:13
Speaker
For McKinney, Martin Sheen's character, I want Tim Roth.
01:03:17
Speaker
Okay.
01:03:17
Speaker
He'd be good.
01:03:18
Speaker
Yeah, I think so.
01:03:19
Speaker
Dude, it's hard to come up with a Frank Bean.
01:03:21
Speaker
I went with Tom Holland.
01:03:23
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The only reason I did that is because I think he could be cool enough when he was supposed to be cool, but be nerdy enough when he's supposed to not be cool.
01:03:32
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Yeah.
01:03:33
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Well, yeah, I think he could definitely, he could be the awkward white guy that eventually turned into the kind of cool white guy.
01:03:38
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I could see that.
01:03:38
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That's why I picked him.
01:03:39
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I was going to say right off the top of my head, the warden, I think Alec Baldwin could be good in that role.
01:03:44
Speaker
Ooh, yeah.
01:03:45
Speaker
Like he's scary.
01:03:46
Speaker
He's a good yeller.
01:03:47
Speaker
You believe him when he starts saying racist stuff because he said it in real life on camera.
01:03:52
Speaker
Even though I love Alec Baldwin, that's a part of his story that's out there.
01:03:56
Speaker
Compound Leader Stokes, I want John Boyega.
01:03:59
Speaker
Is that how you say his last name?
01:04:01
Speaker
I think he could be like he's effortlessly cool, but he can play awkward too like he does in Star Wars movies.
01:04:09
Speaker
But the new movie I just saw him in, which I can't think of the name of, he was cool in it.
01:04:12
Speaker
I liked it.
01:04:13
Speaker
For Baby Web, Golden Globe Champion, Year of Our Lord, 1963.
01:04:16
Speaker
I picked Michael B. Jordan because we already talked about that.
01:04:21
Speaker
For Lawrence, Private Lawrence.
01:04:23
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I want Donald Glover for that.
01:04:24
Speaker
I could see him just rattling off, just keep talking.
01:04:27
Speaker
Dude, he could definitely be the chatterbox.
01:04:29
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I feel like there's some other good.
01:04:30
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God, this would be, these are some great parts.
01:04:33
Speaker
And then for Sweet Bread, Khalid.
01:04:35
Speaker
Do you know the singer?
01:04:36
Speaker
Khalid?
01:04:36
Speaker
He's an R&B slash hip hop slash actor slash singer.
01:04:40
Speaker
So because he's a singer, that's why I picked him for Sweet Bread.
01:04:43
Speaker
And then Cortnall Gessner.
01:04:45
Speaker
I don't know if it's because I was already looking at Tom Holland, but I wanted Andrew Garfield to play him.
01:04:49
Speaker
Just put on some horn-rimmed glasses on Andrew Garfield, and he is Corporal Gaster, my main man.
01:04:54
Speaker
Yeah, those are all good.
01:04:56
Speaker
It would cost a lot more than $4 million, and I don't know that it would make any more money.
01:05:01
Speaker
I don't think that financiers are going to be lined up to make this.
01:05:04
Speaker
No, they wouldn't.
01:05:04
Speaker
But I'm saying like I make it again in my head.
01:05:08
Speaker
That's who I pick.
01:05:09
Speaker
Once the movie life crisis has like got like 70, 80 million dollars to start making movies, maybe we go in that direction.
01:05:15
Speaker
We make our own.
01:05:17
Speaker
Yeah, I'm totally with it.
01:05:18
Speaker
So can you watch this and enjoy it
Final Thoughts and Viewer Engagement
01:05:20
Speaker
in 2021?
01:05:20
Speaker
So, so, so, so, so much.
01:05:23
Speaker
Again, I watched it 50 times.
01:05:25
Speaker
I hope I watch it another 50.
01:05:26
Speaker
Jake wants to watch it again already.
01:05:28
Speaker
He wants to learn to dance.
01:05:29
Speaker
He was singing Chain Gang the whole time through dinner.
01:05:33
Speaker
I was going to say, I'm sure that he's going to learn to dance because it's just great.
01:05:37
Speaker
The movie's great.
01:05:38
Speaker
Yeah, it's really good.
01:05:39
Speaker
Yeah, I super enjoyed it.
01:05:40
Speaker
Where can you find it?
01:05:41
Speaker
It's for rent for $3.99 everywhere that you would rent a movie, YouTube, Apple, Amazon Prime, Voodoo, Crackle, whatever.
01:05:48
Speaker
I mean, or you can look at the 4K version on YouTube that is for free that someone just took and upscaled and used some magic to.
01:05:55
Speaker
And we'll link that too.
01:05:56
Speaker
Yeah, link it to that because I want to see that also.
01:05:58
Speaker
But I think that's it, man.
01:05:59
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Don't forget to tell everybody to leave a review.
01:06:02
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Tell us what we're doing right.
01:06:03
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01:06:04
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Yeah, give us some feedback.
01:06:06
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Yeah, I want to know what you guys don't like.
01:06:09
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If we're talking about stuff too much, if we're talking about not long enough, if you need this to be 40 minutes, you need it to be two hours, let us know.
01:06:16
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I mean, if I can make a request, I would say if you have things that you would like us to do different, maybe don't write that in the review.
01:06:21
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Maybe just fire that over to us via text or email or Twitter or Instagram.
01:06:26
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In the review, just take the positive parts.
01:06:29
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Just take the top-notch stuff.
01:06:30
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And the people that we've already heard from, thank you.
01:06:32
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Keep talking.
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Keep talking to us.
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Follow Jeff Brown Ponchatoula by Popeyes.
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Not Popeyes.
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I can't have Popeyes anymore.
01:06:43
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Too greasy.
01:06:44
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Next episode, what do we say?
01:06:46
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Point Break?
01:06:46
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Point Break.
01:06:49
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Three days until the kid is born.
01:06:50
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So when we do Point Break, I will have a kid.
01:06:53
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Yes.
01:06:54
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I'd like to be the first to say hello to JTJR or whatever you're going to call him.
01:07:00
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Ramon Estevez.
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Ramon Estevez.
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I'll be horribly sad if you don't name him that.
01:07:08
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Sweet.
01:07:09
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Stop clapping.
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