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vustudio608: We're about to go today, honk it.
vustudio608: Thank
Jeff: Oh my God.
vustudio608: ah I wish I remembered that quote when I was watching a lot of football that i could so I could use that. how do you think I feel?
Jeff: Betrayed.
vustudio608: Betrayed? and Bewildered?
Jeff: Bewildered.
Jeff: Oh, that's great. Nathan Lane, freaking killing it.
vustudio608: What can you say about Nathan Lane? He's absolutely freaking hysterical.
Jeff: Yeah, he he really is.
vustudio608: Movie Life Crisis, season six, episode six, 1996, The Birdcage.
Jeff: great. I really forgot this whole movie.
vustudio608: I completely forgot, dude. I was trying to, because I even wrote in my notes, was like, I feel like I saw, I know I saw this, at least parts of it.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: But like, i think in then I think when it came out, I think I would have been embarrassed to say like, dude, The Birdcage hilarious. be like Everyone would have just called me gay. ah Like even liking a movie that featured gay people was gay in those times.
Jeff: um
Jeff: Major gang.
vustudio608: So
Jeff: that's... Yeah, that in in this time, it definitely was. um ah Dude, and Robin Williams is in this, but Robin Williams is not the funniest part, for sure.
vustudio608: yeah, gotta keep your head on a swivel. It's like, dude, I can't laugh at a hilarious Robin Williams and Nathan Lane's owning a drag show. that What's wrong with that?
Jeff: Which is weird to say that about a Robin Williams movie, but...
vustudio608: i Dude, i have I thought, shout out Robin Williams for like toning it down because you know he is typically the one always cranking it to 11, 12, or 13.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: And he was like almost the straight man, not a no pun intended, to Nathan Lane's completely out outlandish character.
Jeff: Oh, man.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: or ah No, Nathan Lane was ah Albert.
Jeff: Albert.
vustudio608: But Uncle Al.
Jeff: Uncle Al. Everybody needs an Uncle Al.
vustudio608: But yeah, man. The Birdcage, I also didn't know how big this movie was back in the 90s, but it freaking did really well. Let's do the synopsis.
Jeff: It was big enough for me to buy on on DVD. So that means it made, you know, a couple of bucks.
vustudio608: Sure.
Jeff: That's about it. I also have buying the cow on DVD. It was right next to it for some reason.
vustudio608: Yeah, yeah.
Jeff: i was like, I remember this movie.
vustudio608: Bye Bye Love. Yeah, you got some got some stuff.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: Hit us with the synopsis. Gay people pretend to be straight so that Republicans are not upset.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. The oldest ah funny thing in the world. So a gay couple who runs a drag club club have to pretend to be straight when their son bring homes that brings home a daughter of a conservative senator.
Jeff: It becomes a dinner party farce where people are preaching family values are the biggest mess in the room.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: Kind of.
vustudio608: How apropos to then and also now and all the times in between.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: every Every time that wasn't ancient Greece has always been like this.
vustudio608: um The $31 million dollar budget, I'm assuming most of that was on wigs, and $185 million dollar gross 6X multiplier.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: This movie is a smash comedy.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: Number nine on the year between Nutty Professor and A Time to Kill.
Jeff: Yeah, they they did it.
Jeff: yeah
vustudio608: I don't know if we're going to get to a time to kill. I like that movie, but we can just got a lot of stuff going on.
Jeff: I like that movie too. Uh, there's a, uh, uh, a guy at work I was talking to and he was like, you know, I haven't listened to it yet, but, uh, 96, man, that's some movies. What movies are you all doing? Uh, he was like, I'm just going to ramble off some 96 movies I think y'all should do. I was like, cool dude, send them to me. i was looking through, we had a lot of the same movies.
Jeff: Um,
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: But dude there's just so many like the list that we have so far, the list that he has, there was like three crossovers and we could have done all of them.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: Like there's so many in this late nineties that i just,
vustudio608: This ah this year, more than any year that we've done so far, we could easily have done every week and done 50 movies and like not run out.
Jeff: Oh yeah. And yeah.
vustudio608: I mean, there's some of them would have been not that great.
Jeff: And still had some, right.
vustudio608: But.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: Yeah, man.
Jeff: Um,
vustudio608: Awards.
Jeff: ah Yeah, so there was an Oscar nomination for Best Art Direction. um it
vustudio608: I gonna say, dude, the frickin costuming and the set design and the art direction, all that shit should have been heavily, heavily awarded because it was incredible.
Jeff: Killer.
Jeff: And you can like, when you're watching it, you can tell it's Miami. You know i'm saying? Like, I know it's, that's most of the time.
vustudio608: Yeah. Nice. Yeah, I
Jeff: And where it was supposed to take place originally when they first got the movie and started working on it was New Orleans. Um, but then they came across like the, uh, the drag, uh, thing in Miami, that whole scene.
vustudio608: nice
Jeff: not that there's not a big drag scene in new Orleans. I've actually been to a couple of, uh, what's that one that's on, uh, St. Claude always maybe.
vustudio608: yeah i don't know
Jeff: Yeah. Oh man, it was hilarious. It was like this burlesque drag show that was a history theme.
vustudio608: Yeah. Nice.
Jeff: um And they were like, George, it was a guy dressed as a girl dressed as a guy of in history telling stories and it was hilarious.
Jeff: um I think it was all
Jeff: i ah So they won a SAG award for outstanding performance ah by a cast in a motion picture. Nathan Lane and Hank Azaria were at the sag so got SAG supporting actor nominees.
Jeff: um And then Nathan Lane and the film itself had globe Golden Globe nominees for the comedy slash musical category.
vustudio608: Yeah, absolutely, totally worth it.
Jeff: So everybody liked it.
vustudio608: But, dude, the freaking, the costuming, because it just, I mean, gay people at drag shows in the 90s in South Beach dress exactly like 20-year-olds in 20s.
Jeff: Unbelievable.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: I was like, loafers with no socks and, like, flowing pants and, like, gold chains, like's just like, just give them, like, a must-have haircut and get ready.
Jeff: Dude, I... ah I know I couldn't have pulled it off what Robin Williams was wearing, but God, it looks so comfortable. Everything was all loose and flowy. And like, he's like walking up the steps and his pant legs are like flying up and then billowing down, flying up and then billowing.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: That looked really nice.
vustudio608: Yeah, looks like he's ready for a kung fu tournament. I was just talking to my wife about this last week.
Jeff: man.
vustudio608: i was like, it took me so long to get on board with skinny pants, and I never liked them, but now I'm just used to them, and I'm old, and I don't like to change stuff. I'm like, am I am like am i buying baggy cargo pants again? Is that where we are?
vustudio608: is Do I go back into that?
Jeff: man
vustudio608: Because I used to freaking love some baggy cargos.
Jeff: Can I get some zippers under the knees too? well
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: Like those convertibles where you just take the bottom of the pant off, make them shorts all of a sudden.
vustudio608: Yeah.
vustudio608: Dude, I see the freaking Vanderbilt kids walking around in cargo pants. I'm like, are we back? Should I do this? like Should I tell my dad he's back in style? Because he never gave it up.
Jeff: ah Dude, I hope some of that stuff comes back.
vustudio608: he was He was broke back mountain with his cargo pants.
Jeff: Dude, if gas gets more expensive.
vustudio608: He was like, I can't quit you.
Jeff: Oh, man. I don't know.
vustudio608: He was in his closet going, I'll never i'll never quit you.
Jeff: ah Dude, I'm, I think about how much stuff you can carry. If you have a kid, if you had cargo pants,
vustudio608: and well Well, I already have my fanny pack that the kids brought back, so I'm um um'm fixed up on.
Jeff: you got that. Does it say Supreme and do you wear it on an angle across the front?
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: Like a seatbelt.
vustudio608: Yeah, I wear it. cross Cross body.
Jeff: That's the way, that's the way, that's the way.
vustudio608: Cross body sling bag. Yeah. That's way it slips and separates.
Jeff: Mine is I want to go with the leather satchel, like Indiana Jones. That's what I want to carry.
vustudio608: ah Dude, I had my Indiana Jones ah costume that i put together for Halloween, so I actually do have one of those.
Jeff: Oh, nice.
vustudio608: i should start I think it was actually a binocular case that I bought at Goodwill, but it would totally work.
Jeff: Nice.
Jeff: was Why have I never seen your Indiana Jones? You got to send me a picture of that.
vustudio608: Yeah, dude, it was ah it was pretty good. i had the hat The only thing I didn't have was the whip because I looked at whip prices on eBay and i was like, we're fine without the whip.
Jeff: Oh, nice. Touche. Oh, that's great.
vustudio608: Anybody ask, I'll just pull the gun out and shoot him like Harrison Ford did.
Jeff: nice toier
vustudio608: sequels and spinoffs.
Jeff: that's great
vustudio608: This is a remake of a late 70s French film, La Cage à Foulez, which translates literally to Cage of Birds.
Jeff: Yeah, this is like the spinoff. Right. Isn't this more like the lineage is backwards for this one, right?
vustudio608: And yeah, yeah, this is ah this is a remake of a French film, which is a remake of a play, both from the 70s, which is this exact concept.
Jeff: This is like the end of the thing.
Jeff: Right. Yeah.
vustudio608: And they just 20 years later, they just said like, let's just do it in English.
Jeff: Yeah. Right. No, and it it totally worked.
vustudio608: And we're like, hey, totally.
Jeff: But dude, by the way, so the 25th anniversary had a theatrical revival in 2021.
vustudio608: Nice.
Jeff: June 7th and June 10th, it's playing the Fathom re-release at AMC here in Hammond.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: They're going to do it on the 7th and the 10th of June.
vustudio608: Dude, i catch I catch podcast movies all the time in Nashville because they're always there. We're doing them 30 years. so a lot of times it's like 30 years.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: I've seen probably 10 of them in town because I'm like, dude, we just did that.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: I'm going to go watch that movie in the theater.
Jeff: Yeah, it's really cool. That's really cool. um So where'd you see this one? Do you remember? Like, I know you said you don't remember watching it all the way. i had it on DVD, so I've seen it, but I i don't remember where i saw it first.
vustudio608: i don't remember I don't remember where I saw it, i don't and I don't remember it very well, so I clearly didn't watch it a lot. So like it's kind of felt like my first time, even though i'm sure it was not.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Right. Um, do Did you remember? You didn't have this. You weren't like all the DVDs. You just had certain ones, right?
vustudio608: I mean, dude, i had I had like an embarrassingly large number of DVDs because when I was going to college in Montana and it was like kind of – I mean, like high-speed internet was just kind of just coming around. ah
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: But I didn't really – like it was cold all the time. And if I wasn't in class or in practice, I was just like sitting in my room by myself.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: So I would get bored and I would just drive to freaking wherever and go buy – like just go buy a couple DVDs.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: And they were in the like don't steal this cases that someone had to unlock with a key.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: So, yes, I did have – maybe it was not – I don't think I had as many DVDs as you because nobody had as many DVDs as you, but I had hunt i had hundreds of, like, movies where it's what's up?
Jeff: No, no, no. Well...
vustudio608: Why do you own this? i was like, don't worry about it. It's awesome.
Jeff: but It's fantastic. It's called buying the cow. Stop. Get off my back. ah dude the ones The reason my got so big is because there's like a mom and pop rental place that was going on a business when I was like working for CVS and California.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: And like... you remember how Blockbuster had like the shelves sections. It would go like from the top down to the bottom and then start over at the the next thing.
vustudio608: Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: They would sell the whole shelf for $10. So they were paying me $40 a day just to eat. And I wasn't eating that much money. So I i had so much money left over that.
Jeff: I was just like, i just think I need all of these. So I was just going through and buying whole shelves of stuff. That's how I got so many random things.
vustudio608: i don't i don't I don't blame you at all. we also I mean, you and I did both make it rain at the 550 bin at Walmart. you just be getting your whatever. ah For me, probably just like a just a Walmart cart full of Totino's pizzas.
vustudio608: And I was like, ooh, 550 bin. Let me get some of these.
Jeff: Yeah, you gotta.
vustudio608: Radio, the double disc. I need that. i don't even like that movie.
Jeff: Cooper Cutting Jr. It's Boat Trip and Radio. A double feature? I need it. ah that's great. um
vustudio608: Yeah. Do you remember seeing this for the first time?
Jeff: I don't, not for the first time, but I totally, I had it on DVD because I found it because it made me watch Buying the Cow, which we're not doing.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: We're going to skip that one just so you know. I remember it being funny.
vustudio608: It's did. I rewatched it. I rewatched it a few years ago. It's not that good.
Jeff: Oh, what were we thinking? Um...
vustudio608: I do that. That was a movie for a very specific time. The early two thousands, we were in our early twenties and that movie was hilarious then and now is horrible.
Jeff: God.
vustudio608: Um,
Jeff: I just... I just thought it was going to be funny. It's got Jerry O'Connell and I was just like, this is going to be good.
vustudio608: It's got Ryan Reynolds. It had some funny parts, but not funny in 2026, just funny in 2002 through 2007.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: you rate this one? through two thousand and seven
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: um
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: where'd you rate this one
Jeff: right, so... Yeah, um... I really enjoyed it. I liked it more than I remember liking it. Um,
Jeff: I couldn't really find too many faults with it, even in 2026, uh, especially after watching like some of the people, I was going to give it a lower rating, like, Oh man, uh, Hank Azaria can't do Agatha Spadaki like that anymore.
Jeff: Like that's just too much.
vustudio608: Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: Um, But man, watching it, he's like, hey, it's okay to laugh at that stuff back then. Now we know I can't do, i couldn't make fun of an entire race of people and an entire ah subsection of people at once. So it's okay to laugh at the old stuff. And me hearing that over and over from all of the actors throughout the whole thing, it went from an eight to a nine. So I'm giving it a nine. freaking loved it.
vustudio608: Yeah, man, I'd almost entirely forgotten this movie. And I was like, very pleasantly surprised at how I knew it was going to be funny because I know that Nathan Lane and Robin Williams are hilarious, but I was like, dude, this movie's good.
Jeff: Right. Right.
vustudio608: ah
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: Like, it's what's insanely entertaining and way more relevant than I would have thought and way less stereotypical than I was expecting. i thought was going to be a lot of, like, problematic. It's like, I probably wouldn't make that joke anymore. But other than some of the portrayals, like Hank Azaria's, which is, like, super stereotypical ah and also kind of racist, like, everything else is like, dude, this is fine.
Jeff: Right.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: This is great. I gave it an 8.5. I said 8.5.
Jeff: That's that's dude it's it's a perfect spot for it.
vustudio608: I mean, it's runtime two hours, but it it didn't feel long. And it's really, it's just like, three or four really big set pieces and all of them are hilarious everybody the cast is stupid robin williams nathan lane are the leads but then gene hackman is the conservative senator and freaking hank is area is the is the gay butler and calista flockart is the freaking daughter that's getting married and there's a bunch of like kind of supporting role and cusack is in there and like bunch of people where it's like i recognize that guy
Jeff: So good.
Jeff: Dude.
Jeff: Did you see how, what about, ah did you see how old Calesta Flackhart was in that movie? Because she was playing somebody who was, what, she was 18, 19?
Jeff: nineteen She was like in her 30s.
vustudio608: Yeah, she was 31.
Jeff: Golly, that's great.
vustudio608: But honestly, dude, she wasn't that well-known and because Ally McBeal is the next year.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: And and i I believed it.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: I mean, dude, it's that's the that is the Hollywood standard.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: It's like here's a 31-year-old playing a teenager.
Jeff: Yeah. um
vustudio608: like She just doesn't wear a lot of makeup, and she wears her hair in a ponytail, and it's fine.
Jeff: She has glasses and a ponytail. She's so gross.
Jeff: um Yeah, dude. 8.59. That's perfect. That's right in the spot for me, too. hi I freaking loved it way more than I thought I would.
vustudio608: This was definitely a surprise.
Jeff: Yeah, I...
vustudio608: It was a surprise, and I kept waiting for it to be like boring or inappropriate, and i was like, dude, this is all... And even like the relationship between Robin Williams and Nathan Lane, who are you know gay.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: play Nathan Lane is the drag show star attraction, and Robin Williams owns the drag bar and their longtime partners.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: like That could have been played for so much more comedy and way cheaper than it was.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: like that You could actually tell that that was they were a serious in a serious relationship, cared about each other, and... like And sure, like Nathan Lane is super flamboyant and it's hilarious. But like and they like the relationship wasn't a mockery.
vustudio608: It was legit.
Jeff: Right, right, right. i and You know what?
vustudio608: And Robin Williams played it really straight. I mean, not straight, but straight.
Jeff: read Dude, and you're right. Like, how hard was it for him to do that? or We're totally not used to seeing it. And I...
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: To have Timon come out there and just scream the whole time and Robin Williams not lose it. Like I thought the whole part of Robin Williams was going to be the, um you know, the, what's the, like the, when he's like, Twyla, Twyla, Twyla, or Michael Kidd, Michael Kidd, Madonna, Madonna.
Jeff: And he just kept doing it.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: That's what I thought the whole thing was going to be. Cause I'm picturing Robin Williams from the nineties in my head and it really wasn't.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: And it was great.
vustudio608: And I don't know if it's like really great direction or really good editing, or maybe it's just Robin Williams deciding to play it really understated for him, which is kind of funny.
Jeff: Just, yeah, turning it down.
vustudio608: Cause if you think anyone's going to play a flamboyant gay man, it's Robin Williams. and you're like, yeah, toned it down. It's like, he did what? That's a crazy choice.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: Robin Williams is a great actor, man.
Jeff: Yeah, he really was. Super funny. Makes you feel stuff.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: What a freaking shame.
vustudio608: Incredible mustache. First scene, first one of my favorite scenes is that is that one actually, Starino won't go on. ahs They open, it's the dude it's like a drag, it's a drag show and it's like, and Nathan Lane is Starino, he's the main attraction and he's being a dramatic main attraction.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: yeah oh
vustudio608: He won't come out of the dressing room and he's in there like having a meltdown and Robin Williams is the club owner and he's got, they have to go have like a dramatic, he's like, just, are what are you, just, will you get out there? And dudes, there's so much about it that I loved.
vustudio608: Like Hank Azaria is the freaking gay Guatemalan butler. And he's like, he's like here, take the piran. He's like, take the piran. You can have one. He's going to have one after after the performance. And Robin Williams is like, do what are you doing? Don't give him drugs. Or her, he calls her. Don't give her drugs. like What the hell is that?
vustudio608: It was this aspirin. I scratch out the AS. I just this piran. He's like, you're a genius. He's guy, no.
Jeff: so sorry. you she And he's wearing like a mesh shirt that stops way above the the belly button and cut off jeans, no shoes, shoes make him fall down.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: And his Guatemalan accent, God bless.
vustudio608: Dude, and Robin Williams is like wearing like a big freaking billowy like silk, like Hawaiian shirt.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.
vustudio608: He's got gold chains in his freaking chest forest. And and you can – and he's just going – he's like Nathan Lane. He's like just refusing to go on. He's glad he's like, all right, tell – He tells Sancazari, he's like, tell whatever name is, Chelsea.
vustudio608: Tell Chelsea to do Starina's number. Chelsea, you wouldn't dare. He's like, well, I...
Jeff: You wouldn't. I can't. I'm so fat. I'm i'm horrible. um Nobody loves me. I'm so gross. I'm old and fat.
vustudio608: Dude. That's in one of my quotes.
Jeff: Oh, God.
vustudio608: ah and And Robin Williams is like like, we got a packed house down there.
Jeff: I love it.
vustudio608: Half of them are Kennedys. They're all here to see Starina.
Jeff: Yeah. do you think I should give him something free? Yeah. Give him what it ends up giving him a free, free coffee or so yeah.
vustudio608: Coffee. Yeah.
Jeff: Free coffee.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: Enjoy the coffee. Stay awake. That's so dude. Yes. um And that speaking of that building,
Jeff: I don't want to put it in my scenes, but since you brought that scene, which is in the very beginning up, did you notice the opening shot?
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: So it's going over the water.
vustudio608: It's going over the A1A Miami highway, like to South.
Jeff: right.
vustudio608: beach
Jeff: And then it, then it goes up onto the beach over the beachfront road, zooms into the tight, into the door of the club.
Jeff: The doors open up.
vustudio608: Yep.
Jeff: It goes through the club onto the stage, turns to the guy picking up the phone saying, where the hell is Darina? Like the stage manager all in one smooth shot, which is like,
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: That's totally a thing. um Lubezki? Who's cat leeski who's the Hold on. I have it in my notes. ah Lubezki.
Jeff: That's his name. That's the guy who did the, that's the cinematographer dude. That's totally his thing. Like making it look all as one, like bird man with ah Michael Keaton, how it looks like all one tracking shot.
vustudio608: but Michael Keaton.
Jeff: ah He's very good at that. I, it took me a while to find out how to, how they did it. But then this guy showed how it starts in the helicopter
vustudio608: Well, yeah, well, because dude, it starts with a helicopter shot, and then it comes into a crane shot, and then it goes into like a Steadicam indoor shot, and he stitches them all together.
Jeff: Right. And all of it's like seamless, dude.
vustudio608: So it looks like it's continuous.
Jeff: And they do the thing where it's like the guy, they zooms in on the guy grabbing the handles on the door and then it switches to that city cam and then it's the same guy, but it's so perfect.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: It's, it's so seamless, uh, right into the club and it sets the whole stage for that whole thing. I figured, and we are family, uh, sister sledge playing in the background.
Jeff: it was freaking awesome.
vustudio608: Yeah, yeah.
Jeff: It was awesome.
vustudio608: Emmanuel Lebesky, the cinematographer, by the way, won three straight Academy Awards for best cinematography in the 2010s for Gravity and then Birdman and then The Revenant. So he is like legit and incredible cinematographer.
Jeff: nice revenants you know yeah revenants the other one that's so smooth you can't even tell like it's separate cuts that's so cool so cool
vustudio608: Yeah. Side note, by the way, the they renamed the Florida State Road A1A for
Jeff: yeah uh ice ice maybe yeah yeah
vustudio608: which I only knew from ah Vanilla Ice, A1A Beachfront Avenue, ah they now have renamed that the Jimmy Buffett Memorial Highway.
Jeff: Nice that doesn't have the same ring when you're rapping as vanilla ice.
vustudio608: Yeah. You cannot. You can't wrap that one the same way. Yeah. Yeah, dude, that was my first scene. what's ah that But, dude, I couldn't.
Jeff: um
vustudio608: I was trying to figure out because that building looked like. If that movie came out now, that is that establishing shot of the exterior from, like, the the helicopter shot to the crane shot from the exterior, would have just assumed that was CGI because it looked like the place could not possibly be real.
Jeff: Right that's the Carlisle I think.
vustudio608: But it's 96, so I know it actually was real.
Jeff: Yeah. I think I've actually been there because I, want to say it's a hotel now.
vustudio608: Nice.
Jeff: It's all up in like um bad boys. It was in that it was in burn burn notice.
vustudio608: Oh yeah.
Jeff: They put, they showed it a lot. I think it's called the Carla.
vustudio608: Yeah, no, it's a famous place.
Jeff: Yeah. I think I've been there.
vustudio608: Carlisle Hotel. Yeah, it's it's on Ocean Drive.
Jeff: Carlisle. Yeah.
vustudio608: But it's just like that, just there's there's like an art art deco district on Ocean Drive, and it's freaking the perfect place to set this movie.
Jeff: The,
Jeff: Yeah, and that's so cool. God, that's and that's what I'm saying. like The fact that it was going to be New Orleans, but then they decided to do this. um Either one would have worked, but this, yeah, it just came out perfect.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: ah My first... um my first one first scene is Armand's trying to teach Albert. Robin Williams trying to teach Nathan Lane, uh, how to act like a man, the whole John Wayne walking lesson, like try, to try to be Bush.
vustudio608: Yes.
Jeff: And he kept pulling his pinky up and he was like, kept knocking it down.
vustudio608: Yeah, I kept slapping his pinky.
Jeff: um dude just like oh god i just i don't know the ah the straight version is just another costume that they he's wearing and like ah god they just played it so well like he he just keeps holding his hands like this and they they're always like out like that or limped wrist god and they're shaking hands and oh my god
vustudio608: Yeah.
vustudio608: They, that's, and that's my second scene. And in my notes, I call it, let's get down to business. I'll make a man out of you. And he's like, dude, Nathan Lane's trying to, and Robin Williams is like, he's like okay, just do this.
vustudio608: He's like, just take some butter. And you just, he's like just don't. He's like, see how you're drizzling it with, with a spoon. He's like, just take the mustard with this, with a knife.
Jeff: Who the mustard
vustudio608: And just smear it all. It just men just smear. And so Nathan Lane's guy, he's got his pinky and he's like very delicately smearing.
Jeff: men smear. They He's like, put your pinky down.
vustudio608: He's but And the toast flies away. He's like, ah! just I dropped the toast.
Jeff: Oh, dude.
vustudio608: He's like no, no, you're a man.
Jeff: That is the best part to any, any tears it.
vustudio608: You don't care about the toast. he's Just take the toast and throw it.
Jeff: It's just like a tiny little tear of the toast. And he just, ah Oh God. It was so good. So good. Um,
vustudio608: Also, like, i kept thinking about Nathan Lane, because in 96, Nathan Lane is... is not out of the closet at a time when like that, it like it matters if you are in or out of the closet and it doesn't anymore.
Jeff: He's not.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: It's like do whatever you want.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: No one wants to hear about your bedroom activities. But that was like a big deal in the 90s.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: He's like, yeah, you come out, you just tell people and then you're out and like, all right, or just whatever. So he at the time as an actor, a closeted gay actor, which means he's presenting as pretending to be straight in his real life, playing a character who is gay, but in the movie has to pretend to be straight.
Jeff: Right.
Jeff: Right.
Jeff: right
vustudio608: i was like, that shit is giving me a headache.
Jeff: right
vustudio608: How did he do that?
Jeff: Yeah, it's so, and dude, the fact that Robin Williams um fought for him to get this role, because he's like, I know he could kill it. And then Mike Nichols is the director.
Jeff: He said, on this thing, I want everybody to be friendly.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: I don't want, he's like, I don't need this to be a place where if it comes out that Nathan Lane is gay, that it's going to be a problem. He's like, I want this to be, i want this to be happy. I wrote it down because I was reading about it.
vustudio608: yeah
Jeff: I'm trying to find it my thing. He was like, I want it. I want everybody to make sure that everybody's comfortable here. And it was super easy and unusually kind is the word that Nathan Lane kept using.
vustudio608: Yeah,
Jeff: um Just a good vibes production. Like that's what you want. You want everybody to be comfortable and happy and that makes a better movie. And the fact that everybody there was welcoming and accepting of all that, that made it better for everybody.
Jeff: I think that's freaking great.
vustudio608: yeah man. Well, it's and it's also like. It's a really interesting casting, What If? Because originally when Mike Nichols, when he and Elaine May, his comedy partner, Mike Nichols and Elaine May were, Nichols and May were a comedy duo from the 50s and 60s that were huge.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.
vustudio608: and And he was, they're originally thinking of Robin Williams and Steve Martin in this, but...
Jeff: Martin. I saw that.
vustudio608: But Robin Williams playing Nathan Lane's part and Steve Martin being the kind of straight man. And Steve Martin is like, I don't think I can really do that. And Robin Williams is like, I just did drag. I feel like I probably am good on that.
vustudio608: And so so then they kind of flip-flopped.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: Robin Williams went into his role and they found Nathan Lane. And then Nathan Lane was supposed to do a Broadway show.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: And Mike Nichols actually convinced the producer of the Broadway show. He's like, just hold off on the show for a little bit so we can do this movie. Like they actually, they wanted it bad enough. They got a Broadway show pro postponed.
Jeff: Well, that, and that probably worked out better since this movie was so huge. The Broadway show probably was able to go like, Hey, also we have Nathan Lane. So like,
vustudio608: Yeah, because he was not, I mean, he did voice voice work for a Lion King, but he wasn't a household name at this point in time.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: And this is a is a giant movie.
Jeff: God. I freaking love him as Timon, too.
vustudio608: Yeah, dude, he's incredible.
Jeff: he was wasn't He was on...
vustudio608: Ernie, Ernie, Sabella, and...
Jeff: um what This was already after. yeah we did Life with Mikey.
vustudio608: Yeah, we did Lion King a couple years ago.
Jeff: yeah No, Life with Mikey. with ah
vustudio608: Oh, Life of Mikey. Yeah, we did.
Jeff: um He's in that. that's He's opposite of Michael J.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: Fox in that.
vustudio608: Yeah. No, he he had done stuff, but this was by far his biggest movie and also his biggest part.
Jeff: Yeah, that was in the 550 bin, sure. Life with Mikey. Yeah. That one's next to buying the cow in my collection.
vustudio608: that i Not that I don't like.
Jeff: um
vustudio608: I don't think we did live with Mikey, actually.
Jeff: didy we We kept talking about it, though, remember?
vustudio608: ah think we No, I think we did the other one where he loved her money.
Jeff: I love that song. Me too. What were you playing? yeah Yeah, Love Her Money. That's the one we did. ha Life with Mikey, we missed it.
vustudio608: that's my second scene That's my second scene too. and When he's freaking learning how to walk like a man and he gets up and he's like wearing clogs and he's got his knees touching the whole time.
Jeff: And the lady's sitting next to him, reading the paper at the next table.
vustudio608: asked And
Jeff: Ah, she's dressed like an old lady from South Beach.
vustudio608: he's like...
Jeff: It's great.
vustudio608: He's like attempting to walk like a straight man. He's like, what, too swishy? And Williams is like, just think about John Wayne.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: Just try to walk like, think of John Wayne. Try to walk like John Wayne.
Jeff: Well, all right, partner.
vustudio608: He's like swinging his hips.
Jeff: And the end is like, actually, it's perfect. I just never knew John Wayne walk like that. That's so funny.
vustudio608: He's like, I didn't realize that John Wayne. And then right after that, like a continuation of that same scene as this is the quote from the trailer that was f freaking hilarious. He's like, how about the dolphins? like how'd you feel? Third and He's like, how can I feel?
vustudio608: Betrayed.
Jeff: like They got together with like shaken hands all manly.
vustudio608: God.
Jeff: ah And then he starts talking shit to that guy sitting down and then he stands up and he's way tall.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: He's like, no, I was talking to the man behind you. Sorry. It's freaking great.
vustudio608: He, the physical comedy from both of them, but especially from Nathan Lane is, God, it's so good.
Jeff: his scream. I scream a lot like Homer when stuff happens.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: ah
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: I know it would be a step backwards for my entire family and it would bother the hell out of them, but I kind of want to just yell like Nathan Lane instead. It's very, it's very funny.
vustudio608: It's, it's great.
Jeff: It's very funny.
vustudio608: It is great.
Jeff: So that was your second one.
vustudio608: All right What's your next thing?
Jeff: My second one was, um,
Jeff: Agidor in his shoes that he has to wear because he's making him put on shoes.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: So Agidor is played by Hank Azaria and he doesn't wear shoes because the shoes make him fall down.
vustudio608: Freaking Hank is area.
Jeff: um But because he's under pressure to be really perfect for this function of the the new wife's right.
vustudio608: Well, they're meeting the conservative family of their future in-laws and it's freaking Gene Hackman and he's a senator and his wife's, you know, he's got a freaking shirt that buttons all the way up to the neck.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: Like it's,
Jeff: All the way. Dude, so
vustudio608: So they have they have to de-gay the apartment and bring in like a freaking giant crucifix and everybody's got to wear way more clothes and like, it's ridiculous.
Jeff: look you like the cult effects i i traded the moose for it they even threw in these books ah dude i was crying hangers area was killing it
vustudio608: Yeah. Robin Williams is like, are we crucifying someone later? What is that doing there?
Jeff: ah It's like on a fool's rush in when he says, Jesus Christ.
vustudio608: Jesus.
Jeff: ah Dude, the part where the doorbell rings and he's going to go, I thought I'll get it. No worry. And he just freaking walks forward and face plants forward and then gently walks down the steps and open when he goes to open the door slips again.
Jeff: Dude, I had to pause it because I was laughing. i I don't know why that was so funny to me, but it was hilarious.
vustudio608: it's it's It's, again, it's brilliant physical comedy. And I wonder if it's because, like, Nichols and May, the writer-director, if that's just an area that they were really good at or if the actors were really good at it.
Jeff: So good.
vustudio608: But, like, you just don't see that much physical comedy in movies.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: And I don't know why because it's great. But it it seems like is the of thing.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: It's probably really hard to write into a script. So if you don't have actors and directors who want to try it, it's just hard to kind of get it done.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: But this movie is freaking chock full of it.
Jeff: i
vustudio608: It's great.
Jeff: It really is. and And it's not even like physical comedy like where you boys falling down all the time or like ah Chevy Chase is really good or used to be really good at like physical comedy where he's like putting the glasses on and turns his head and they fall off.
vustudio608: Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: like That kind of stuff is good, but this is like...
vustudio608: yeah
Jeff: the finger up and dude, everything about this movie was, was great. If you haven't seen it, if you're listening to this and haven't seen it, i kind of want to watch it again all of a sudden. I don't know why it was really good.
Jeff: i know I saw stuff this time that I didn't remember seeing before. I'm sure I'll see more stuff. That's super funny.
vustudio608: Yeah, man, there's there's no doubt about it. So the third scene that I have, I'm sure is probably the one that you have, which is the dinner scene.
Jeff: Dude. i I didn't have that.
vustudio608: There's this big thing, because like,
Jeff: I did have that scene written down, but i don't that's not my third.
vustudio608: So Robin Williams' son, he had like a one-night stand with a woman 20 years ago, and now the son is 20 and he's getting married, and they have to meet the in-laws, and it's freaking Gene Hackman and his conservative wife, and he's a senator, and it's and he's like begging Robin Williams.
Jeff: Yeah. Right.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: like he got He's like, they're coming over. that just like He's the head of the family values whatever. Senate majority leaders like, we've got to like de-gay the apartment.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: He's like, you've got to change your clothes. you got to change your mannerisms. Try not to talk too much. He's like, we've got to get rid of Albertson. And dude, it's Robin Williams. like Like they're just taking stuff out of it everything.
vustudio608: It's just like, it's as gay as a South beach apartment could be in 1996.
Jeff: other
Jeff: All the statues have huge penises.
vustudio608: They're taking everything out. Yes.
Jeff: Neptune? I have to take down Neptune? Are you kidding?
vustudio608: and robin williams he he's like wearing a freaking double-breasted suit and a tie and he's uh but the and then and so nathan lane is very dramatic and is very upset that he's not allowed to go to the dinner because he can't even pretend to be straight and because he comes out wearing his suit and he's like wearing pink socks and they're like like what about the he's like well one does want a bit of color uh
Jeff: I'm dressed just like you. and then even in his subdued thing, he's just like, well, I'm embarrassing you, so I'll leave. It's okay. Like, he's just as over the top. He's just toned everything down.
vustudio608: And he freaking decides halfway through to just get it dressed in drag and come in and pretend to be the kid's mother and Gene Hackman has no idea and they're really hitting it off and Gene Hackman freaking loves the mother.
Jeff: The mother...
vustudio608: and said She's great. She's strong woman. She's got great values and he's she's talking about how like she wants to return to the Bible and
Jeff: ah Dude, what about when he first walks in in that suit too? Like he goes to walk and he's got his hands down, but he stops and he puts them down by his side and then he sits in that stupid lounge thing at the, yeah, at the end of the, at the end of the bed and his elbows slipping off.
vustudio608: yeah.
vustudio608: Yes, it's in a like little chaise lounge thing, whatever that is. at the end of the bed.
Jeff: God, dude, he's, he really is. He kills it. He kills it.
vustudio608: Yeah. And that scene, it went it's last it it was like the last 25 minutes of the movie, but it was so great because there was just there were so many bits in there.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: like the Nathan Lane in drag is trying to tell the senator about how she's like he's like, i don't mind if they kill the abortion doctors.
Jeff: so many
vustudio608: I don't mind if they kill the women. I mean, the baby died, but it was to die anyway. And Robin Williams is like, let's get more ice for everybody. We all need ice.
Jeff: who needs ice oh man
vustudio608: Like he's trying to sidetrack the conversation. Like they keep going into the kitchen where freaking Hank Azaria is cooking stuff and he's like falling over and he's like, they don't have enough shrimp and they can't find the door to the kitchen because they hung up curtains to block all the doors. cause It was just freaking like mosaics and shit.
vustudio608: And so it's, it's, it's like an epic, like I would just see that as a one act play, the dinner scene there. Cause it's incredible.
Jeff: What about, ah yeah, dude, what about when ah Gene Hackman's telling a story and it's like boring as hell and so bad and they're all just freaking nodding off and trying so hard focus.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: I didn't, was that the phone? I didn't even hear the phone because I was so enthralled with your story, Senator.
vustudio608: I was so enthralled with your stuff.
Jeff: her
Jeff: oh man so dude i wrote that scene down because it's a huge scene in the movie and everybody remembers that scene uh the one i wrote down for my third one is when it all comes to a head and uh albert's very upset um It's like the the heart scene.
Jeff: You know, Robin Williams drops his volume down to normal people volume and he gives it the emotional edge that he can do.
vustudio608: Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: um And they're sitting at the bus stop
vustudio608: yeah
Jeff: And they're talking about palimony and he signs over. He's like, I own half of your stuff. You and half of my stuff. Like we're fine. Dude, that part of the movie, I was like, damn, this is freaking great. It goes from being wicked, funny and super physical to super emotional and really well done and heartfelt. And I freaking loved it. I love that whole.
Jeff: reconciliation right there he's and dude albert albert's sitting with his knees together and he's holding his hands like this and he's got his glasses on and he's and there's a boat going by in the background and he's just not making eye contact with robin williams the whole time dude i freaking loved it they both played it so well so well
vustudio608: They, um, the, the like palimony through line is great.
Jeff: killed it
vustudio608: Cause it's, it's, if you probably, if you made this movie now, they just want everything to be so broad and like so simple, they would have taken that out, but it's, it gives it such a grounding, like, you know, Robin Williams owns the club, Nathan Lane's the star.
Jeff: yeah
vustudio608: They've been together for 20 years. And he's always like that. one of the things they're fighting about early on when he refuses to go on stage, it's like, they want the palimony and Robin Williams. Like I don't have a palimony agreement on me. It's like, but we will get it.
vustudio608: And then like, yeah,
Jeff: Why are you taking in that tone with me? Why do you have to say it like that? like,
vustudio608: He's like, I know you're running around with somebody while I'm on stage because there's white wine in the fridge and you and I only drink red. And Robin Williams is like, I switched to white because the red has tannins.
Jeff: I don't drink the red because it has tenons.
vustudio608: Tannins?
Jeff: freaking love it. I love it.
vustudio608: There's... So, like, it's it is such a it's such a great emotional through line that's... I mean, they just... There was more stuff they could have done for comedy and I liked that they kept the...
Jeff: Yeah, and they wrapped do they wrapped it up with that.
vustudio608: the heart there. And, um and they, they said that Nichols and May, they said that they did a lot of rehearsing and that like once the, and because Robin Williams and Nathan Lane are such great improvisers, they improvised a ton during the rehearsals.
Jeff: That was magical for me.
vustudio608: And so they Nichols and May just said like, we wanted to, we, we put that in the movie and we wanted to kind of shoot the movie like it was a play because, know, like instead of doing a million takes with a bunch of coverage, it's like we got a cinematographer going to capture a lot of stuff.
vustudio608: We got great improvisers. We're going to ton of rehearsals and we're going to kind of run through it.
Jeff: God.
vustudio608: I was like, God, that's I love when they do that. and Like not a lot of editing and just,
Jeff: That's so great. Yeah.
vustudio608: Yeah. Nathan Lane so told a story on Kimmel about working with Gene Hackman a from the Birdcage.
Jeff: That's...
vustudio608: He just said he's my favorite actor. And I told him every day on the Birdcage, we shot that dinner scene for like probably a week. And so every morning we would be sitting before shooting and I would just go you know, you're my favorite actor.
vustudio608: And just be like and yeah I would just ask him questions. He'd tell me about the French Connection. He's like, oh, you like the French Connection? It's just... like but dude how we nathan lane steals this movie but gene hackman is also brilliant
Jeff: That's great.
Jeff: Dude, I have never. Like, I know that I can um picture people in my head looking a certain way.
Jeff: Like, if you said, hey dude, I'm going to shave off my beard and I'm going to be in drag, I could almost picture what you would look like. Seeing Gene Hackman in drag at the end of this movie, I was like, whoa.
vustudio608: yeah
Jeff: What the? Like, I almost didn't recognize him.
vustudio608: and He's like, I don't want to be the only girl not dancing.
Jeff: he
vustudio608: ah
Jeff: Don't leave me. Don't leave me.
vustudio608: that's That's the least believable part of this movie that a conservative senator would agree to dress in drag to escape drag club.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: He would just stay there until the whole thing, until our son died at his heat death.
Jeff: That.
vustudio608: um But Nathan Lane also said in the dinner, while they're waiting for the dinner to be prepared, they're like, they're day like Robin Williams and the, and the mother-in-law are playing the piano and the freaking kids are dancing together.
Jeff: Son with a U.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: And then Nathan Lane and drag is dancing with Gene Hackman and like whatever song they're playing.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: I don't remember what song it was, but it was like from a musical.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: And and Nathan Lane told a story.
Jeff: Yes.
vustudio608: He's like, oh he's like, I improv while we were dancing. He's like, he's you know, I played that in high school. And, and, and Gene Hackman, like without breaking at all, just said, I bet you were wonderful.
Jeff: Yes. Um, I, I,
vustudio608: Which is like the take that's in the movie. I i love stories about i I sprung something on somebody and they came right back and like it was perfect.
Jeff: And they just kept kept it going. Well, that's because one of the things I wrote down, there's a part like they're in the kitchen and they're trying to pour the stew, soup, what it what it ended up being, whatever it was, soup.
vustudio608: Yeah, i think it was soup.
Jeff: And he had to hurry up and bring it out because the bowls they used had like Greek gay people and having gay sex on the bowls.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: Uh, so he was going to try to fill it up before he could get his glasses and find it and see it. Uh, are you sure you you don't have a girl too? Cause I have a girl on mine. You don't, I, I'm pretty sure that's a, that's a boy, uh, that scene where he goes back there and he's talking to, uh, Agidor who has a freaking fistful of shrimp still because he didn't get to put the shrimp in it yet.
Jeff: Um,
vustudio608: Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: And Robin Williams falls down after he takes a swig of the Glen Levitt or whatever it is he's swigging on. He swigs that scotch and then falls down.
Jeff: Well, the sun, he almost breaks. Of course, Hank Azaria is not going to break. He's ice cold. He's locked in. He's Agidor. And he's like, fuck the shrimp. And as he's running out, like all of that was made up. And they kept it in the movie because...
Jeff: Dude, it's just like having, I bet it's a really, it's a joy to be able to say like, I know the cinematographer is going to get what I need. I know these guys are going to keep it, keep the story together, but also make it great. All I got to do is sit here and say, ready, three, two, one, go.
Jeff: That dude, that sounds awesome.
vustudio608: I mean, I'm realizing as we're doing this episode that this is actually a really hard movie to talk about because so much of the comedy is visual.
Jeff: That sounds.
vustudio608: It's not from the like dialogue, you know?
Jeff: Right. Yeah. Yeah.
vustudio608: I'm just like, if you can't see it, it's not, us talking about is not nearly as funny. Like we can see it in our heads because we just saw the movie, but like, you gotta to go watch this because the physical bits are incredible.
Jeff: Right. you got know you really you really do.
vustudio608: All
Jeff: you You really do. Oh, man.
vustudio608: right, let's do a let's do let's do quotes.
Jeff: um
Jeff: Oh, yeah. Let's do quotes. Two of mine are from Agador, so I apologize ahead of time.
vustudio608: Okay, two minor from Nathan Lane.
Jeff: What's your first one?
vustudio608: um My first one is, don't look at me, I'm hideous! Because I'd forgotten that that was from this movie. And I feel like I've heard that said a million times.
Jeff: I feel like I've heard it said in that Nathan Lane voice too.
vustudio608: Yeah, yeah, that exact like delivery, that exact read.
Jeff: His voice is pretty iconic.
vustudio608: And when that hit, I was like, oh my God, I forgot that that was from this movie. Don't look at me. I'm hideous.
Jeff: Oh man. And that's in that opening scene where they're trying to get him to go out there and play it.
vustudio608: They're trying to get Storino on stage.
Jeff: Yeah. It's Tarina. Um, ah dude my first quote is Agador talking to Robin Williams son Val, Val Goldman, Coleman, Coleman, Coleman, the D is silent.
vustudio608: Yeah. Yeah.
vustudio608: Oh man, the D is silent.
Jeff: Well, the D is silent here in America. See when we get, dude, everybody trying to keep the lie going was great.
vustudio608: Right.
Jeff: um
vustudio608: I know. I thought you said you were visiting your parents.
Jeff: So he's,
Jeff: Well, I did. And then they moved because you know what my father always said, live on the Island, but get buried in South beach. That's why you have all of my. Ah, genius. Um, so he, Agidor is talking to Val and Val's like, and put some shoes on, huh?
Jeff: And just like, he's, it's total. He's just giving information. It's not a joke. He's just saying, I never wear shoes. Cause it makes me fall down. Um, like I,
Jeff: he He wasn't trying to be funny. He was just saying that as information. And it was instantly hilarious to me.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: And then him walking in the, dude, he just kept falling.
vustudio608: And he felt like 25 times in the next five minutes.
Jeff: They didn't look like they fit. They look like little Marco Rubio wearing the shoes that Trump just got him on the news today. And like, they're just big on the back and they're like floppy and he's freaking just eating it every time he tries to take a step.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: It's fantastic. It's fantastic. So I never wear shoes. They make me fall down.
vustudio608: My next quote is from Robin Williams and Hank Azaria. What is Perrin? He's like, it's aspirin. I scratch off the ANS. I give it to her. He's that's brilliant.
vustudio608: thank but He just freaking takes aspirin, scratches off the letters, and is convinced Nathan Lane's very dramatic leading drag lady that that's the magic pill that that keeps him feeling good.
Jeff: Over the top, yeah.
vustudio608: And he's like parceling it out, just one a day.
Jeff: Oh, man. There is something to be said about a placebo effect like that. I, I think that's great that he figured it out.
vustudio608: Yes.
Jeff: um My second one is also from Aguador. Aguador. It's in the morning. Robin Williams is reading the art section and he takes a sip of the coffee and he doesn't, what's he called?
Jeff: calls it sludge or something like that.
vustudio608: Yeah, that sludge.
Jeff: He calls it sludge.
vustudio608: he He gives him new coffee and he's like, what is sludge.
Jeff: And
Jeff: um And Agidor is not having any part of it. And he was just like, you don't like... I don't know this understand why you don't like it. And then Nathan Lane comes in. He's like, ah, Turkish coffee. Wonderful, Agidor. And he like slaps him. He's like, you see what I'm saying? Dude, that just...
Jeff: I know it was probably written, but it came out so natural for all three of those actors. I totally believe that it was a real thing. Like him trying something new, Robin Williams is being a jerk about it because he's stressed about the whole thing. And then Nathan Lane not knowing about the stress and just coming in and being like, oh, Turkish coffee, very nice, Agidor.
Jeff: Dude, i love it.
vustudio608: I thought you were going to say the quote that I thought from that was it like Robin Williams drinks the coffee's gah what is this sludge and Hank Azaria goes yes this sludge I thought i'd make a nice change from coffee and then Nathan Lane comes in and drinks he's like ooh Turkish coffee
Jeff: Oh yeah, that's
Jeff: Yeah, I just dude, the way that he says Turkish coffee and then he slaps him You see, I told you, like that whole, that feel Dude, I don't know, I just, that that that whole part resonated with me How well it was portrayed
vustudio608: yeah
vustudio608: My third quote is also from Nathan Lane. It's also from the very beginning of the movie. And he's frigging, he's like got his like hair all taped up and he's like wearing a fricking bra and like a silk kimono.
vustudio608: And he's like having a meltdown. And he's like pointing at Robin Williams. He's yelling, he's like whatever I am, he made me. I was adorable once, young and full of hope. And now look at me. I'm short, fat, insecure, middle-aged thing.
vustudio608: And Robin Williams immediately hits back. I made you short?
Jeff: but
vustudio608: And it frigging cracked me up.
Jeff: I like how Robin Williams is all about trying to appease Nathan Lane, but he also doesn't like put up with the shit. Like he'll also say some stuff. You know what I'm saying? like he fights back a little bit.
vustudio608: i like yeah I like how Nathan Lane's character is so dramatic that it kind of doesn't work anymore. He's like, like just, he's like, that's set him out of here.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: And Robin Williams is like,
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: I'll go after her. He's not at all concerned that Nathan Lane's actually leaving.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: It's just the thing that that he does all the time.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: God.
Jeff: He took the car, he's driving home 20 miles with the emergency brake on.
Jeff: Ah, that's great. Yes. yes ah
vustudio608: best Best characters, top three characters.
Jeff: Wait, one more. My third one from Hank Azaria is, they're all three from Aguador.
vustudio608: Oh, yes, right.
Jeff: Dude, I just, I don't know why. um He is, um he wants to be part of the show and he wants Robin Williams to do it.
vustudio608: Yes.
Jeff: And he's like, you're afraid of my Guatemalan-ness. um Guatemalan-ness is a great word he's like you're afraid of my heat um and he's like standing really close and he's like touching him with his chest when he says it ah you're afraid of my Guatemalan-ness might be something I add to my repertoire even though I'm not Guatemalan or look Guatemalan I think I like it and I want to start saying it um that was my third one they were all Hank Azaria dude he he was so funny to me in all of these things
Jeff: walking around with a fistful of shrimp yeah yeah
vustudio608: Yeah, it's kind of a bummer, man, because there's a bunch of other really good quotes from other characters, but it's like, dude, freaking Gene Hackman, every time he gets stressed, he's asking his wife to bring him candy. That shit was cracking me up.
vustudio608: They're having conversations about, because his whatever... conservative senator partner like got found freaking like had a heart attack with like a black hooker and so there's a huge scandal and he's like talking about like all the other conservatives that he doesn't really want to partner with and so there's a bunch of hilarious stuff that happened elsewhere in this movie but it's so hard to stay away from nathan lane and hank azaria and robin william
Jeff: yeah
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: ah Plus the, um, the, uh, the, uh, uh, National Enquirer. Is that what it was? The Enquirer?
vustudio608: yeah mm-hmm yep
Jeff: That's who was following him. Um, that those, that guy and his cameraman, I've seen him before. Uh, has love guy.
vustudio608: Well, that's the guy from, ah that's the guy from um God, what's the freaking Gene Hackman movie in 98 with Will Smith? Where they're always spying on him from using the soundness and stuff.
Jeff: Oh yeah. Enemy of the state.
vustudio608: Enemy to State, he's in that.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he is.
vustudio608: ah
Jeff: Yes.
vustudio608: And then the other guy, because I looked at their names earlier.
Jeff: i
vustudio608: it is like So Grant Heslov is the guy from Enemy State. And then the does a bunch stuff with George Clooney.
Jeff: He does a lot of stuff with George Clooney, the cameraman. Yeah.
vustudio608: Yeah, he's written some of the movies and but he's produced like 30 things. And then the other guy Tom McGowan. um He's in like freaking Sleepless in Seattle as good as it gets.
Jeff: He...
vustudio608: um Like Modern Family Veep.
Jeff: i've so I've seen him.
vustudio608: A bunch of stuff.
Jeff: Oh, Veep. That's where I probably remember him from that.
vustudio608: He's in Captain Ron obvious one of your tops.
Jeff: Oh, man. Top, top, forever top. um ah What is... God, there was something I saw him in. What's the movie where the kids go um to a camp because they're super fat?
Jeff: Or they're not super fat, but their parents think they're fat? Hold going to look it up. I want to say it's got the... It's got...
vustudio608: heavyweights that was last year 95 yeah uh-huh yeah dude kenan thompson was in that movie it was freaking written by judd apatow
Jeff: he's He's like a dad or or a big brother or something in that.
Jeff: Keenan Thompson. Man, heavyweights. I gotta go back and watch it.
vustudio608: yeah yeah the freaking picture is just like fat kids holding up a sandwich the poster
Jeff: Doesn't it have a guy in it? In the sandwich?
vustudio608: Yes, it does.
Jeff: Hold on.
vustudio608: It does.
Jeff: Dude, I want to go watch this now. I forgot about heavyweights. I totally remember that guy in heavyweights.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: Oh, that's great.
vustudio608: Yeah, dude, that's what, like, there's a bunch of people in this movie that don't have a ton to do where you're like, I know that person. um All right, let's do let's do our top three characters.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
vustudio608: Number one for me, and it was not difficult at all, is Nathan Lane.
Jeff: Yeah, Albert Goldman. Coleman. cold Coldman. col colleman Coldman. Coldman.
vustudio608: He's absolutely brilliant.
Jeff: Dude, he's the engine. God, he freaking kills it.
vustudio608: He was hysterical. He's a closeted gay man playing a true drag queen who has to pretend to be straight like it's the nuance is wild.
Jeff: i Yeah, it's very meta.
vustudio608: And he did such an incredible job being like a very flamboyant, very dramatic drag queen and then also like a pretending to be straight guy. i just
Jeff: But isn't like the thing for me for Nathan Lane is he can be wounded and vain and needy and over the overly theatrical, but still be completely lovable. Like was like, that's ah both of our first characters we put down. Like,
Jeff: I know, like, i don't know. He just, he made all of the the stuff that he was doing feel real. And that's weird for me to say about a comedy, I know. But like, dude, he killed it.
Jeff: This was great for me.
vustudio608: He's an incredible actor, man. It feels like it's it's weird to say that he doesn't get the respect that he deserves because he's got three Tony Awards, a Laurence Olivier Award, three Emmy Awards, a SAG Award.
vustudio608: He's got a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. He's in the American Theater.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: ah ah But it feels like he's not... He still does not is not as recognized as he should be.
Jeff: Right, right.
vustudio608: he But he's incredible. he's He's an incredible actor.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: He's fucking hilarious. like i watched I watched him talk on Colbert like a couple years ago. and colber Just because Colbert asked him something about this movie, the Gene Hackman thing.
vustudio608: But the whole interview...
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: It was like stand-up comedy, the shit that he was saying.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: ah ah He's just so...
Jeff: Just...
vustudio608: Because Colbert was like, you know, since the last time you've been on, he's like, Trump is back in office. What? Like... And dude, then he Nathan Lane does like a two-minute monologue about the Trump-Kennedy Center.
vustudio608: He's like, he just couldn't keep his tiny little hands off of it. would have thought that Trump could do more damage to the Kennedy name than RFK Jr.? He's like, I hear they're going to put up a a revival of the Sound of Music from the Nazis' point of view.
vustudio608: You don't even want to hear what their favorite things are. He went for like two minutes.
Jeff: ah
vustudio608: I was fucking rolling.
Jeff: ah that's freaking great
vustudio608: It was was incredible. And I was God, Nathan Lane is brilliant. just
Jeff: here he really is what um Wait, was that him? No. Who was on... ah What's the movie with the Matthew Perry where he's clicking the pin?
vustudio608: No, that's not him.
Jeff: That's not... No, that's not...
vustudio608: That's Oliver something.
Jeff: that's ah yeah. Oliver Plath? Oliver Plath.
vustudio608: Oliver Blath.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: I know.
Jeff: Dude, Nathan Lane, he freaking... He killed it. His his portrayal in this movie is so funny.
Jeff: If you haven't watched this, that's the whole reason to watch it as far as I'm concerned.
vustudio608: Yeah, I mean, everybody's everybody's doing some incredible stuff, but Nathan Lane is like, he he's he's worth the price of admission. He's incredible.
Jeff: Yeah, for sure. Absolutely.
vustudio608: um Who's your next character?
Jeff: So who's your, well, so I put Spartacus Agador Spartacus, dude, he is just a freaking chaos agent. um
Jeff: I know it's problematic now.
Jeff: comedia comedically devastating ah at the time for me. I was just, I brought myself back to 96 and realized how funny this guy actually is. And dude, I can't, if you're not going to watch it for Nathan Lane, you're watching it for Agador Thbauticeth, played by Hank Azaria, who is also a really, really great actor and has no problem showing off his body, apparently.
Jeff: um
vustudio608: Yeah, dude. he I mean, I love Hank Azaria. That goes without saying. I didn't put this character in there just because it's by far the most stereotypical performance in the movie, and it it ages the worst.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: ah
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: He's great. And he said, like, he's like, hey, I worked up a couple different versions of Aguador Spartacus, and one was just, like, not really gay at all. He was just like ah like it just, like, a street tough who just happened to be gay.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: He's like, and and they wanted me to do this kind of more flamboyant version. He's like, both of them felt very real to me. I'm sure in 96, that was like spot on.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: ah But that one, that age is the that'st my worst. Like it ages the worst. He's great. And it is freaking hilarious. But you do have to go like, you wouldn't do that now. You wouldn't have a straight guy being that flamboyantly, stereotypically gay.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: You, yeah, you, I was going say you'd have to either, either have, um, like just accent comedy and like ethnicity as the bit, um,
Jeff: I don't know. And the queer coding or whatever you want to call it through for straight mainstream audiences is not going to work.
vustudio608: Dude, you could have Billy Eichner play that part because he actually is gay and he's just that flamboyant.
Jeff: Right. Right.
vustudio608: But it's not mocking because he's part he is that is he's part of that group.
Jeff: Right.
Jeff: Because he is that he is that guy. Yeah. Yeah.
vustudio608: um But yeah, man, for sure. My second character is Robin Williams, who I thought was like incredibly understated in it, which I know is cannot be easy for him.
Jeff: Who's not.
Jeff: um Yeah, he plays the straight man in both senses in this one. um he's my He's my third person, dude. He's a freaking...
Jeff: I don't know. Like I, his emotional part of it emotionally, it works. He's a comedic force throughout the whole dinner scene where he's trying to keep everything together.
Jeff: um i don't know what's not to like about him. It's wicked sad that he's dead. That's all I'm saying.
vustudio608: Super, super duper. He, I mean, i was looking at it. I'm like, he he he wins the the Oscar next year in 97 for Good Will Hunting.
vustudio608: So it's not like this is his best acting job ever.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.
vustudio608: But I like, and you look at some of his stuff where it is more, so where where there are emotional turns like Dead Poets Society and like,
Jeff: right
vustudio608: You mean like Good Morning Vietnam and stuff like that? Like it's not all like Popeye and Toys and Jumanji and whatever, Patch Adams.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: um Like he does a bunch of those broad comedies, but like I do. And we talk about all the time and we're not the only ones, but like comedy is not really appreciated by award shows.
vustudio608: But you can't tell me someone else deserved a best actor in 1992 more than he did for playing the genie in Aladdin.
Jeff: It's really not.
Jeff: Yeah, dude. i'm um'm I'm with you. It's...
Jeff: he's he's He's fantastic. and And his stand-up, while it's good, that's not my so favorite style of stand-up where it's just...
vustudio608: No, no, just like machine gun punchlines.
Jeff: Everything gone a thousand miles an hour. Right.
vustudio608: This is not my, it's not my jam.
Jeff: ah And in the same vein, it's like when we used to talk about, now I don't want to get off on a rant here, but what's that guy's name?
vustudio608: Yeah, Dennis Miller.
Jeff: Miller, Dennis Miller. Like his stuff where you have to like, I don't know any of the references he just said.
vustudio608: Yeah. You need you need an encyclopedia.
Jeff: ah Yeah.
vustudio608: What does Kafka ask?
Jeff: You got to like look up stuff.
vustudio608: Who who is that?
Jeff: Yeah. Like, i don't want to get off on Iran here, but Joseph Mengele's briefcase had way, I'm like, what the hell? I'll write that down. Somebody Google this. um
vustudio608: Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: Like for, for me, when he's doing standup, that's the whole thing. Like he's throwing out pop culture references that none, even if my students were the same age as me, they're not getting any, like, dude, my students have never seen like back to the future.
Jeff: Like, how do they get pop culture references that people like Robin Williams throw out if you don't ever watch any of that stuff? You know what saying? Like, I don't know. That's not my kind of thing, but man, he's so good at all the things.
Jeff: It's just.
vustudio608: Yeah, I don't I never think of Robin Williams as a stand up.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: I think of him mainly as a comedic actor. But I what I'm realizing is that I should really like think of him as like just an incredible actor.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: Like I don't think of Tom Cruise. I don't think of Tom Hanks as a comedic actor. I just think of as an amazing actor.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: I should think of Robin Williams the same way.
Jeff: But he is... Yeah. Tom Hanks is friggin' funny too, though.
vustudio608: ah key I mean, he Robin Williams hasn't had the like longevity, ah like both because you know he committed suicide 10 years ago.
Jeff: Right. Yeah.
vustudio608: He didn't get to do a bunch of Spielberg movies, but like he showed us that he was completely capable of doing that. Same way as like Adam Sandler will do like the freaking uncut gems and stuff like that, the Safdie brothers.
Jeff: He
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: It's not funny at all. It's like, dude, this guy can act.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: Robin Williams absolutely can do that.
Jeff: Right. Yeah. Killed it.
vustudio608: Also, one of my favorite stories from this movie is they're doing they're doing press, and Nathan Lane said, he's like, I wasn't out at the time. He's like, I was out to my family, and I'd been doing theater in New York for 20 years. like Everyone knew who knew me knew I was gay, but there wasn't like social media.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: and This movie was like the highest profile thing I'd ever done, and I was telling my publicist, like I don't know if I want to... come out on the press tour. I don't, I just don't want to talk about it. i just don't want that to be part of the story.
vustudio608: I just want it to be about the work.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: And then he and Robin Williams, like kind of famously go on Oprah and she like just is trying to out him.
Jeff: Oprah. Yeah, saw this.
vustudio608: And she's like, aren't you worried that you're going get typecast?
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: And Robin Williams just like jumps in because Nathan Lane told Robin Williams, like, I just don't want, he's like, I'm already terrified of meeting Oprah. I don't want to like have it be about my sexuality.
Jeff: Right. Yeah.
vustudio608: And Robin Williams interrupts Oprah and just like starts doing a bit and making fun of her and just like completely derails the entire interview. And Nathan Lane said, like pretty recently, he's like, he's like, he's like dude, he just protected me.
Jeff: So great. I watched it. Dude, it's on YouTube.
vustudio608: He's like, this was that kind of person.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: He knew I didn't want that out there. I didn't want that to be a part of the story or part of the promotional tour. And he jumped in and just derailed the whole thing and like protected me because he was a beautiful human.
Jeff: If anybody can derail an entire interview with even somebody like Oprah, it's Robin Williams.
vustudio608: yeah
vustudio608: Well, there's so many stories ah like that about Robin Williams.
Jeff: Dude.
vustudio608: Dude, Robin Williams is like Christopher Reeves got paralyzed. He was in the hospital and Robin Williams showed up and just started doing bits because they were a Juilliard together. and And Christopher Reeves was just like, he just came in my room without any explanation and just started doing bits and just started cracking me up.
Jeff: That's great.
vustudio608: And like, there's you know, there's stories like, remember freaking Coco, the gorilla that like knew all the sign language?
Jeff: Ah.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah.
vustudio608: Like there was a, there was one point in time in the 90s where the scientists were like, Coco's sad. and We're not sure why. And Robin Williams freaking showed up with Coco.
Jeff: It's because they have the same chest hair and freaking arms.
Jeff: What happened?
Jeff: What happened?
vustudio608: Yeah,
Jeff: ah Dude, I didn't know that about Coco. I can't wait to go look that up.
vustudio608: yeah dude. like I remember that story. i was God, Robin Williams is awesome.
Jeff: but Yeah, way good. um
vustudio608: He's my second. Who's your third character?
Jeff: um No, that's that's the three. i have Agidor, Albert, and Armand. ah The three A's.
vustudio608: I get Gene Hackman.
Jeff: I did...
vustudio608: Gene Hackman is my favorite.
Jeff: Yeah, i wanted to put... I wrote them down like... he's he's He's awesome. Like, all of these guys are... They're so good.
Jeff: Like all of them are good. Even his wife, ah Diane Weist um from, what did i remember her from?
vustudio608: Diane Weiss.
vustudio608: From freaking Footloose and from Edward Scissorhands and from Practical Magic and a million things.
Jeff: Scissorhands. Edward Scissorhands. Dude, so good. So good. Also, by the way, real fast, I know you you're going to tell me about Gene Hackman.
Jeff: Before I forget, the wife, or the no, Val's real mom, Baranski.
vustudio608: Yeah, yeah. Christine Baranski.
Jeff: I don't know why. I know it's not the same person.
vustudio608: Oh,
Jeff: Who is RFK Jr. married to? um
vustudio608: oh yeah, I know who you're talking about.
Jeff: Hines. Cheryl Hines.
vustudio608: Yeah, Cheryl Hines.
Jeff: I don't know why I get them confused.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: I mean, they kind of both look...
vustudio608: I can see it.
Jeff: Like, i don't I don't know why, but the whole time I'm like, oh, of course she would run out on her. She would give up her son for 20 years. She's married to our... Oh, wait a second. No, wait, that's not her.
vustudio608: No. Different person.
Jeff: That's not her. That's not her at all. um Yeah.
vustudio608: Also in Life with Mikey, by the way.
Jeff: Was she? Why was she in that?
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: Damn, I forgot about that.
vustudio608: It says Carol. don't know who that is.
Jeff: I don't remember. She was probably one of the moms. Yes.
vustudio608: Yeah, I remember from Cruel Intentions.
Jeff: Yes.
Jeff: Yes, dude.
vustudio608: She's been in million things. she's been in a million things
Jeff: There's a movie with, uh, what's the movie where, um, uh, Dennis Leary. Oh crap. He's like a burglar. Uh, she's in that. I don't remember what it's called. I used to like that movie.
Jeff: It's got the other guy who touched it.
vustudio608: She's in Bullworth.
Jeff: Who's the guy who touches kids and now can't, now can't make movies, but he was really good in the, uh, Spacey. It's got Kevin Spacey and and, uh, and ah
vustudio608: Dennis Leary, Kevin Spacey, The Ref, 1994.
Jeff: Dennis Leary, the ref.
vustudio608: We talked about doing it. It's a Ted Demme movie. But yeah, just 94, man. It's jam-packed.
Jeff: Yeah, I hope we get to do Cruel Intentions. such That was crazy.
vustudio608: Yeah, we're definitely doing that, Cruel Intentions, when the when the time comes, 99 or whatever. um Yeah, man, Gene Hackman, where I feel, I would have thought that we, like, if you're doing a podcast about the 90s, that you would maybe be kind of not talking about Gene Hackman that much.
vustudio608: He's doing a million movies, freaking The Firm and White Earp and Crimson Tide and Quicken the Dead and Get Shorty and Birdcage and Ants and Enemy the State and Royal Tenenbaums.
Jeff: Right. Yeah, he's
Jeff: he's...
vustudio608: He's still going strong, dude.
Jeff: Yeah, he is.
vustudio608: And God, be so freaking good.
Jeff: He is.
Jeff: He is. Dude, he was great in Get Shorty. I'm so glad we did that.
vustudio608: Get Shorty was ah was a delight last year from 95.
Jeff: That was... That was so good. That was so good.
vustudio608: If anybody wants to go back and has not heard that, I highly recommend it.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.
vustudio608: But yeah, man, i Crimson Tide, we did not quite get to.
Jeff: We didn't do, what was this? Crimson Tide we skipped over too. I like that one.
vustudio608: Yeah, please I mean, some people just like just never miss. like Even Unforgiven, which everyone loves, and I thought was meh.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: Gene Hackman was fucking great.
Jeff: Right. Yeah.
vustudio608: like That dude just shows up to work and is awesome.
Jeff: Wait, he was in Unforgiven?
vustudio608: He won the fucking Oscar.
Jeff: Oh yeah, Unforgiven. You know what i was thinking of?
vustudio608: He was the...
Jeff: is though no i was What's the one with Sharon Stone?
vustudio608: Yeah, Quicken the Dead. He's in that too.
Jeff: Quick and the Dead. Yeah.
vustudio608: He's in that too.
Jeff: Oh wait, is he?
vustudio608: He's the, like, mayor of the town.
Jeff: Oh yeah, that's right.
vustudio608: ah Yeah.
Jeff: He's in both. God, Gene Hyman's good.
vustudio608: That's what I'm saying, man. Yeah.
Jeff: Damn. That sucks. um
vustudio608: Um... Writer, director, ah writer Elaine May, the director, Mike Nichols.
Jeff: Sucks he's gone too. Yeah.
vustudio608: They're a comedy duo from the 50s and 60s. And like people, people as iconic as like Steve Martin and Woody Allen and Seinfeld and even people like John Mulaney cite them as like, when I was younger, this was the main comedy album that I listened to.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: Like these guys were brilliant.
Jeff: I was going to say, dude, when you look up their stuff, I was looking at some of their stuff up on YouTube to try to see if I could find it.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: um It's just a bunch of like albums, like actual like comedy albums, like old school comedy albums, like late fifties.
vustudio608: Mm-hmm.
vustudio608: Yep.
Jeff: There was one that was like, in right right, right, right, right.
vustudio608: Yeah, like Abbott and Costello type albums.
Jeff: It's a, it was good. It was some of it's good. There's one that's, um, Something to music. And it was just them just going to town improv and over the top of stuff. It was great.
Jeff: It was great.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: um That's what you, when you go look that stuff up, that's what they got. um They did, they did a really great job at putting this together, even taking it from what they took it from the play and the other movie in the seventies.
Jeff: I thought they did good.
vustudio608: Yeah. Yeah. Worst you any worst.
Jeff: Only that Agidor can't be ah thing anymore. um
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: You got to read.
vustudio608: Unless he's played by a flamboyant gay person who's actually gay
Jeff: Right. Yeah. And dude, I'd like to mention again, Azari himself has said that same way.
vustudio608: yeah
Jeff: He said it with the poo when he stopped doing a poo.
vustudio608: Well, the I mean, there was criticism in the 90s from some critics where it's like like the New York Times film critic said the film reinforces stereotypes that homosexuals are marginal, superficial creatures with disposable income and relationships that aren't as solid as heterosexual marriage.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: And like they said that when the movie came out in the New York Times.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: But also the film got a GLAAD award. So like not everyone felt that way, clearly.
Jeff: Yeah. Right.
vustudio608: And they even steve said that like this this represented a turning point for LGBTQ people.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.
vustudio608: um Like kind of similarly to like to Wong Fu, where it's like just kind of centering, you know, LGBTQ people is like, hey, there's there there are other lifestyles here that you maybe have not seen as much in media representation.
Jeff: Right. Made drag OK.
vustudio608: And like, that's still a good idea to do that.
Jeff: Right.
Jeff: some people Some people where I live don't like that still. um They don't want to see other people represented because it makes it feel like it's...
vustudio608: Yeah.
vustudio608: I know it's unfortunate that they force you to watch the movie before you, oh no, no that's prayer. Yeah.
Jeff: No. they don't This is the thing, though. They don't want those people represented because they don't know it. and i don't it feel They feel like it's taking away from them being represented, and it's really not. it just I don't get why that's a thing. It's so...
Jeff: Like ah to watch people in the crowd during the drag show in the beginning and in the end, and people are just like nodding their head and laughing.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: And like, again, I've only been to two drag shows in my entire life.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: And one was the history thing that I went to, which again was hilarious.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: Like I, dude, I thought it was hilarious.
vustudio608: There's a bunch in Nashville. They're supposed to be great.
Jeff: And like, I didn't think of it as like, oh snap, I'm going to a drag show. This is going to be, it's gonna be groundbreaking. I just thought of it as going to a show. Like it's just something different. i I don't know why people are like they are. It makes me upset.
vustudio608: it's It's honestly very confusing to me because it's like, I don't like that.
Jeff: um
vustudio608: It's like, all right, well, don't participate in that. Don't give it any money.
Jeff: Yeah, no, no, they can't.
vustudio608: Don't give it any attention. But like, I don't like.
Jeff: They got to make sure you don't participate in it too.
vustudio608: I
Jeff: It's starting to make me upset. Um,
vustudio608: like it's it's, they're like, it's going to mess up the kids. it's like, dude, if if someone's doing damage to kids, it's typically like priests and like politicians. Like it's not drags.
Jeff: Trust me, I was an altar boy.
vustudio608: Drag queens are not.
Jeff: And the answer was no, I wasn't.
vustudio608: Yeah. No, no, I wasn't.
Jeff: But I think that's because they knew I was a talker.
vustudio608: Um.
Jeff: And they were like, oh, if he's that bad at blowing on candles, then I think freaking Birbigles.
vustudio608: Yeah. We're just going to move them to a parish where there's less hot kids. ah
Jeff: Fresh meat. Freaking David Cross. What a man. ah Yeah, dude, that's the only thing I had was um the Agador, you know, accent, comedy, ethnicity is a bit is what I wrote down.
vustudio608: Yeah.
vustudio608: Yeah. Old tech that I did capture one thing that fricking real mom is like driving in the car. Uh, and she's got the like scarf tied around her head. She's calling from the car phone. And then she hangs up and, uh, and the son tells Robin Williams, it's right, she's on her way.
vustudio608: He's like, she, we got to tell her not to come. He's like, well, we can't tell her not to come. She's in the car. It's like, you just got done talking to her. Car phones went, or like, dude, back in the day, when you got done talking on the car phone, you shut that bitch down.
Jeff: Yeah, just, just call it.
vustudio608: Cause she only had like 40 minutes a year. It's like,
Jeff: Don't call me back. Don't call me back.
vustudio608: Yes, he hung up the phone and was like, we can't talk to her again. She's in the car. It's like, oh, my God.
Jeff: ah do Do you think the um like the whole scandal, political scandal being the the plot point that causes this all to happen? Do you think that's as bad as it is now?
Jeff: Like I don't I guess we'll talk about it when we talk about the five questions, but I put that down as old tech too because I don't think a political scandal like that causes a whole mix up.
vustudio608: Well. I don't know, man. Like, I feel like ever since the first Trump presidency, like the scandals happen so often, they've just like desensitized you.
vustudio608: It's hard to even pay attention. It's like, he did what now? It's like, that seems right. Like you can't, like before that, it was like, Obama wore tan suit.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: Where do we march? And it's like, it's like, oh, Trump's bombed a school.
Jeff: Right.
vustudio608: It's like, that sounds right. What should we get for breakfast? Like, I don't, like, I just think we've all been so desensitized to the of sheer volume of scandals that come out.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: So I'm sure you probably would seen something different.
Jeff: Right. And that's what I'm saying. Like, I don't, it to me, it just doesn't seem like this would be the plot point moving forward for the, if you remade it.
vustudio608: Well, it may not be the like, it may not be the scandal, but it could totally be the conservative politician that's like up for reelection, you know what i mean?
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
vustudio608: Like, that's, I was, I couldn't believe how well this movie's plot would work entirely if you dropped it into 2026, even though you don't have to be afraid if you know gay people, but you kind of do if you're a conservative politician.
Jeff: Yeah, except for the cell phone.
Jeff: Yeah. Can you call people back on the car phone?
vustudio608: The car dude, if you say car phone, no one's even to know what you're talking about. Do you mean my rectangle that has all the world's knowledge? You
Jeff: I'm going to say car phone from here on out when I talk to my students just until they say something.
vustudio608: just tell your family like, hey, I'm going to the store.
Jeff: Wait.
vustudio608: If you guys need anything, call me on the car phone.
Jeff: This is what i want you to do real fast, just so you can make me feel better about my life. Can you mime you talking on the phone real quick? Just mime it with your hand. Okay, yeah that's it's that's perfect.
vustudio608: I'll do that one.
Jeff: Because the kid did that the other day, and he was like, yeah.
vustudio608: and do the pinky and the thumb.
Jeff: And I'm like calling my mom, and I'm talking to her. i was like, what do you are you? a Secret Service person?
vustudio608: Is that Steph Curry you're going to sleep?
Jeff: Are you talking into your wrist? No, dude, I was just like, he was like, what do you want me So then he went like this and was holding the cell phone in his little Lego hand claw.
Jeff: And I was like, that's not right either. i was like, dude, you gotta fix that. Fix that. um
vustudio608: Yeah, do that.
Jeff: Yeah. So you want to five questions?
vustudio608: Well, it's a hold on. That reminds me. It's like the, I got an Apple watch and it has like a walkie talkie feature built into it where if other people are on the Apple watch, you can just talk into your wrist.
Jeff: Oh.
Jeff: You can walkie and talkie?
vustudio608: And I was like, and you can walk in talking. And when I mime talking into my wrist, what movie did I tell people I was imitating?
Jeff: Dick Tracy.
vustudio608: Dick Tracy, a thousand percent. That's not what everyone thinks you're doing. They're like, Oh yeah, that's from like spy kids or whatever. you talking about Spy kids like Dick Tracy motherfuckers.
Jeff: ah Spy kids. What the hell?
vustudio608: or whatever, the fu but it was some movie from like 15 years ago, and I was like, Dick Tracy, A-holes.
Jeff: No, it's Dick Tracy. ah Oh, yes.
vustudio608: All five questions. Is it okay for kids?
Jeff: God, missed Tracy. Dude, I would say 13. My kid's pretty mature, so I would say he would get a lot of these references and get it.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: It's R, but it's not like brutality or anything like that.
vustudio608: Yeah. I don't even, um don't know why there's,
Jeff: It's like a little bit of sexual humor.
vustudio608: I was gonna say I don't even know why it's ours is it just because it's a drag show because I don't think in 2026 it would be our.
Jeff: That's...
Jeff: I think... I think it's dragging like queer humor, but I think also um they say the F word more than once other than just F the shrimp when he falls.
vustudio608: Yeah, yeah yeah yeah fair.
Jeff: I think that's maybe why I got an R. But yeah, i dude I'd say 1315 somewhere up in there would they would like this movie still.
vustudio608: Yeah. and Would this movie get made if it were pitched now? I mean, to me, it seems like I was, I couldn't believe how topically relevant this movie was.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: You'd probably would change a couple little things, but like, I'm sure, I'm sure that would be like, it would be trans people instead of just regular gay people doing drag shows.
Jeff: Yeah, you could be more sensitive to the Agidor character, like that characterization.
Jeff: Right, right.
vustudio608: Cause, but like you, it's, it kind of drops right into where we are now, including the fashion.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: It's the exact same baggy pants, mustaches, like we're there.
Jeff: Oh, man, I want to try that.
vustudio608: I'm waiting for goatees to come around because I still can't do just a mustache.
Jeff: i Dude, I don't want... We all know how my mustache grows. There's something in the middle.
vustudio608: Yeah. Yeah, the anti-Hitler.
Jeff: I can make out with Hitler and our mustaches wouldn't touch. um So this has got to be a movie, though, right? you can't You can't...
vustudio608: Oh, yeah.
Jeff: The whole pressure cooker premise where everybody's like... You could maybe stretch it to a miniseries, but I think this has got to be a movie. I don't think...
vustudio608: No, man. I don't know why you would even do it
Jeff: No, no. Movie.
vustudio608: This is great.
Jeff: the Movie is the way. Yeah. Did you recast?
vustudio608: I didn't do any recasting. like this thing is This thing is led by absolute icons.
Jeff: I did.
vustudio608: I'm like, dude, i don't there's no Gene Hackmans walking around.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: There's no Robin Williams.
Jeff: No, there is. I didn't, I didn't read.
vustudio608: There's no Nathan Laynes.
Jeff: I only did. No, I only did Albert and Armand for Armand.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: I want Jonathan Groff. do you know who I'm talking about? He's a, he's a King on Hamilton.
vustudio608: oh yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: And he's like, he's in a new musical where he plays Bobby Darren. He is. He's fantastic. He's on frozen. He's the Sven.
vustudio608: Yeah, dude. He's great.
Jeff: um He's great. And I want him as Armand because I think he could play it straight. No pun intended. And then for Albert, I want Billy Porter. ah Do you know who Billy Porter is?
vustudio608: I do you know who Billy Porter is.
Jeff: ah Billy Porter is way...
vustudio608: I haven't seen that much stuff that he's done. I've seen him like on social media, but I haven't seen a lot of his... like Looking through his movies, i haven't seen...
Jeff: So there is a Cinderella remake that he did that CeCe watches all the time.
vustudio608: Yeah. Yeah, Camilla
Jeff: And it's got... The singer, what's her in Havana, whatever the hell the name of that movie is. um
vustudio608: yeah camila cabello
Jeff: what Cabela. Yeah. um Dude, he's freaking great. He's really great in that. and That's who I want to do that. And then I was thinking, I didn't, I guess I did redo Senator Keighley because I put Mark Ruffalo ah because he seems like, even though he's playing that everybody knows he's friendly and it wouldn't be It would be an actor, an actor that um is playing against the type of person he actually is.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: So I think that that's who I went for that.
vustudio608: Yeah. Let's get in the juices flowing. You talking about who you're casting, because I would like to cast the senator as Rosie O'Donnell. And I want and i want the senator to be a part of a gay couple. And I want the and i want the Armand, Robin Williams and Nathan Laynes to be like trans drag people. And then it's gay people mad at trans people. And that way it's like not as, it just it's just even weirder and even more fun.
Jeff: yeah I was going to say, everybody can get on board because everybody's mad at everybody now. um
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah, dude, I'm telling you, Jonathan Groff, he's fantastic. There's nothing i wouldn't like him in. And Billy Porter. Oh, no, he's
vustudio608: Rosie O'Donnell and Jane Lynch as the lesbian couple, where Rosie O'Donnell is a senator. Imagine how hilarious that would be.
Jeff: I like me some Jane Lynch. um
vustudio608: Yeah. think we're onto something.
Jeff: I just thought of something for the wife. i Do you know who Allison Janney is?
vustudio608: Yeah, of course I do.
Jeff: I really, i think she would be a good wife with Mark Ruffalo. ah
vustudio608: Dude, she's great.
Jeff: She really is great. She, I think she could do that. I'm always smiling. um
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: I pick her. I pick her.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: So number five, can you still watch and enjoy this?
vustudio608: Dude, it's incredible. like i've kind I feel like I didn't want to ask any of my gay friends before I watched it because I was like, oh, because I'm gay. But now that I have seen it i want to be like, dude, do you guys get together and secretly watch this? Because you should if you don't because it's absolutely fucking incredible.
Jeff: i Yeah.
vustudio608: If you guys have like a gay only movie night, please invite me because this movie should be one that we watch.
Jeff: I, I,
Jeff: this is the one you're watching.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah. um
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah. Dude, you can definitely rewatch it. Somebody who hasn't seen it should definitely watch it.
vustudio608: Yeah, it's streaming a bunch of places I didn't see it like on any of the major sites without renting it but to be in Pluto and whatever the hell is places are or you can rent it.
Jeff: Um,
Jeff: Yeah, dude, by the way, Tubi has it, and I pulled it up because I was at school before I got home to get to the DVD. ah ah Tubi has it, and the commercial breaks weren't bad.
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: I mean, I only watched the first, like, 30 minutes at work, but, like...
vustudio608: Yeah.
Jeff: in that 30 minutes, there was only one commercial break and it was for like 30 seconds.
vustudio608: Yeah, that's not bad.
Jeff: And it was a pretty clear, like 1080p copy. Like it was to might be the jam. I mean, I ain't trying to do it all the time, but like in a pinch to be worked out.
Jeff: kind of liked it.
vustudio608: Yeah, I'm not opposed. I was like changing our T-Mobile plan, and they were like, oh, you know, you get Netflix for this. it was like, I get Netflix for this? They're like, yeah, with ads. it was like, give me any crab juice.
Jeff: What?
vustudio608: Fucking Netflix with ads What are you talking about?
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah, nobody wants ads. um All right, what else?
vustudio608: ah That's it, man. We have not picked our next episode. We'll to that offline, but we'll be back in two weeks with another. Thanks for listening.
Jeff: Yeah.
vustudio608: Viacondias.
Jeff: Faya Candias.
