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The Birdcage
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Robin Williams, Nathan Lane, Gene Hackman, with Hank Azaria and Calista Flockhart coming at you from The Birdcage.
A wildly fun 90s comedy from the comedy duo Nichols and May that is still shockingly relevant today. This description is short and not good because zencastr failed 3x so I've re-written it a bunch and now I'm tired.
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Transcript
Introduction and Excitement
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vustudio608
We're about to go today, honk it.
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vustudio608
Thank
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Jeff
Oh my God.
00:00:55
vustudio608
ah I wish I remembered that quote when I was watching a lot of football that i could so I could use that. how do you think I feel?
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Jeff
Betrayed.
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vustudio608
Betrayed? and Bewildered?
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Jeff
Bewildered.
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Jeff
Oh, that's great.
Nathan Lane and 'The Birdcage'
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Jeff
Nathan Lane, freaking killing it.
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vustudio608
What can you say about Nathan Lane? He's absolutely freaking hysterical.
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Jeff
Yeah, he he really is.
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vustudio608
Movie Life Crisis, season six, episode six, 1996, The Birdcage.
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Jeff
great. I really forgot this whole movie.
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vustudio608
I completely forgot, dude. I was trying to, because I even wrote in my notes, was like, I feel like I saw, I know I saw this, at least parts of it.
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Jeff
Yeah.
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vustudio608
But like, i think in then I think when it came out, I think I would have been embarrassed to say like, dude, The Birdcage hilarious. be like Everyone would have just called me gay. ah Like even liking a movie that featured gay people was gay in those times.
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Jeff
um
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Jeff
Major gang.
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vustudio608
So
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Jeff
that's... Yeah, that in in this time, it definitely was. um ah Dude, and Robin Williams is in this, but Robin Williams is not the funniest part, for sure.
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vustudio608
yeah, gotta keep your head on a swivel. It's like, dude, I can't laugh at a hilarious Robin Williams and Nathan Lane's owning a drag show. that What's wrong with that?
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Jeff
Which is weird to say that about a Robin Williams movie, but...
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vustudio608
i Dude, i have I thought, shout out Robin Williams for like toning it down because you know he is typically the one always cranking it to 11, 12, or 13.
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Jeff
Yeah.
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vustudio608
And he was like almost the straight man, not a no pun intended, to Nathan Lane's completely out outlandish character.
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Jeff
Oh, man.
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Jeff
Right.
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vustudio608
or ah No, Nathan Lane was ah Albert.
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Jeff
Albert.
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vustudio608
But Uncle Al.
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Jeff
Uncle Al. Everybody needs an Uncle Al.
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vustudio608
But yeah, man.
Film's Success and Plot
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vustudio608
The Birdcage, I also didn't know how big this movie was back in the 90s, but it freaking did really well. Let's do the synopsis.
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Jeff
It was big enough for me to buy on on DVD. So that means it made, you know, a couple of bucks.
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vustudio608
Sure.
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Jeff
That's about it. I also have buying the cow on DVD. It was right next to it for some reason.
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vustudio608
Yeah, yeah.
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Jeff
i was like, I remember this movie.
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vustudio608
Bye Bye Love. Yeah, you got some got some stuff.
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Jeff
Yeah.
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vustudio608
Hit us with the synopsis. Gay people pretend to be straight so that Republicans are not upset.
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Jeff
Yeah. Yeah. The oldest ah funny thing in the world. So a gay couple who runs a drag club club have to pretend to be straight when their son bring homes that brings home a daughter of a conservative senator.
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Jeff
It becomes a dinner party farce where people are preaching family values are the biggest mess in the room.
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vustudio608
Yeah.
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Jeff
Kind of.
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vustudio608
How apropos to then and also now and all the times in between.
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Jeff
Yeah.
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Jeff
every Every time that wasn't ancient Greece has always been like this.
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vustudio608
um The $31 million dollar budget, I'm assuming most of that was on wigs, and $185 million dollar gross 6X multiplier.
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Jeff
Yeah.
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vustudio608
This movie is a smash comedy.
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Jeff
Yeah.
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vustudio608
Number nine on the year between Nutty Professor and A Time to Kill.
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Jeff
Yeah, they they did it.
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Jeff
yeah
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vustudio608
I don't know if we're going to get to a time to kill. I like that movie, but we can just got a lot of stuff going on.
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Jeff
I like that movie too. Uh, there's a, uh, uh, a guy at work I was talking to and he was like, you know, I haven't listened to it yet, but, uh, 96, man, that's some movies. What movies are you all doing? Uh, he was like, I'm just going to ramble off some 96 movies I think y'all should do. I was like, cool dude, send them to me. i was looking through, we had a lot of the same movies.
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Jeff
Um,
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vustudio608
Yeah.
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Jeff
But dude there's just so many like the list that we have so far, the list that he has, there was like three crossovers and we could have done all of them.
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vustudio608
Yeah.
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Jeff
Like there's so many in this late nineties that i just,
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vustudio608
This ah this year, more than any year that we've done so far, we could easily have done every week and done 50 movies and like not run out.
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Jeff
Oh yeah. And yeah.
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vustudio608
I mean, there's some of them would have been not that great.
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Jeff
And still had some, right.
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vustudio608
But.
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Jeff
Right.
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vustudio608
Yeah, man.
Production Insights
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Jeff
Um,
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vustudio608
Awards.
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Jeff
ah Yeah, so there was an Oscar nomination for Best Art Direction. um it
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vustudio608
I gonna say, dude, the frickin costuming and the set design and the art direction, all that shit should have been heavily, heavily awarded because it was incredible.
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Jeff
Killer.
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Jeff
And you can like, when you're watching it, you can tell it's Miami. You know i'm saying? Like, I know it's, that's most of the time.
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vustudio608
Yeah. Nice. Yeah, I
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Jeff
And where it was supposed to take place originally when they first got the movie and started working on it was New Orleans. Um, but then they came across like the, uh, the drag, uh, thing in Miami, that whole scene.
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vustudio608
nice
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Jeff
not that there's not a big drag scene in new Orleans. I've actually been to a couple of, uh, what's that one that's on, uh, St. Claude always maybe.
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vustudio608
yeah i don't know
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Jeff
Yeah. Oh man, it was hilarious. It was like this burlesque drag show that was a history theme.
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vustudio608
Yeah. Nice.
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Jeff
um And they were like, George, it was a guy dressed as a girl dressed as a guy of in history telling stories and it was hilarious.
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Jeff
um I think it was all
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Jeff
i ah So they won a SAG award for outstanding performance ah by a cast in a motion picture. Nathan Lane and Hank Azaria were at the sag so got SAG supporting actor nominees.
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Jeff
um And then Nathan Lane and the film itself had globe Golden Globe nominees for the comedy slash musical category.
90s Cultural Reflection
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vustudio608
Yeah, absolutely, totally worth it.
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Jeff
So everybody liked it.
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vustudio608
But, dude, the freaking, the costuming, because it just, I mean, gay people at drag shows in the 90s in South Beach dress exactly like 20-year-olds in 20s.
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Jeff
Unbelievable.
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Jeff
Yeah.
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vustudio608
I was like, loafers with no socks and, like, flowing pants and, like, gold chains, like's just like, just give them, like, a must-have haircut and get ready.
00:07:01
Jeff
Dude, I... ah I know I couldn't have pulled it off what Robin Williams was wearing, but God, it looks so comfortable. Everything was all loose and flowy. And like, he's like walking up the steps and his pant legs are like flying up and then billowing down, flying up and then billowing.
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vustudio608
Yeah.
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Jeff
That looked really nice.
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vustudio608
Yeah, looks like he's ready for a kung fu tournament. I was just talking to my wife about this last week.
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Jeff
man.
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vustudio608
i was like, it took me so long to get on board with skinny pants, and I never liked them, but now I'm just used to them, and I'm old, and I don't like to change stuff. I'm like, am I am like am i buying baggy cargo pants again? Is that where we are?
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vustudio608
is Do I go back into that?
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Jeff
man
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vustudio608
Because I used to freaking love some baggy cargos.
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Jeff
Can I get some zippers under the knees too? well
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vustudio608
Yeah.
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Jeff
Like those convertibles where you just take the bottom of the pant off, make them shorts all of a sudden.
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vustudio608
Yeah.
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vustudio608
Dude, I see the freaking Vanderbilt kids walking around in cargo pants. I'm like, are we back? Should I do this? like Should I tell my dad he's back in style? Because he never gave it up.
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Jeff
ah Dude, I hope some of that stuff comes back.
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vustudio608
he was He was broke back mountain with his cargo pants.
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Jeff
Dude, if gas gets more expensive.
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vustudio608
He was like, I can't quit you.
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Jeff
Oh, man. I
Fashion and Film References
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vustudio608
He was in his closet going, I'll never i'll never quit you.
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Jeff
don't know.
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Jeff
ah Dude, I'm, I think about how much stuff you can carry. If you have a kid, if you had cargo pants,
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vustudio608
and well Well, I already have my fanny pack that the kids brought back, so I'm um um'm fixed up on.
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Jeff
you got that. Does it say Supreme and do you wear it on an angle across the front?
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vustudio608
Yeah.
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Jeff
Like a seatbelt.
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vustudio608
Yeah, I wear it. cross Cross body.
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Jeff
That's the way, that's the way, that's the way.
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vustudio608
Cross body sling bag. Yeah. That's way it slips and separates.
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Jeff
Mine is I want to go with the leather satchel, like Indiana Jones. That's what I want to carry.
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vustudio608
ah Dude, I had my Indiana Jones ah costume that i put together for Halloween, so I actually do have one of those.
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Jeff
Oh, nice.
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vustudio608
i should start I think it was actually a binocular case that I bought at Goodwill, but it would totally work.
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Jeff
Nice.
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Jeff
was Why have I never seen your Indiana Jones? You got to send me a picture of that.
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vustudio608
Yeah, dude, it was ah it was pretty good. i had the hat The only thing I didn't have was the whip because I looked at whip prices on eBay and i was like, we're fine without the whip.
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Jeff
Oh, nice. Touche. Oh, that's great.
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vustudio608
Anybody ask, I'll just pull the gun out and shoot him like Harrison Ford did.
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Jeff
nice toier
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vustudio608
sequels and spinoffs.
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Jeff
that's great
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vustudio608
This is a remake of a late 70s French film, La Cage à Foulez, which translates literally to Cage of Birds.
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Jeff
Yeah, this is like the spinoff. Right. Isn't this more like the lineage is backwards for this one, right?
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vustudio608
And yeah, yeah, this is ah this is a remake of a French film, which is a remake of a play, both from the 70s, which is this exact concept.
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Jeff
This is like the end of the thing.
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Jeff
Right. Yeah.
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vustudio608
And they just 20 years later, they just said like, let's just do it in English.
00:09:20
Jeff
Yeah. Right. No, and it it totally worked.
00:09:23
vustudio608
And we're like, hey, totally.
00:09:25
Jeff
But dude, by the way, so the 25th anniversary had a theatrical revival in 2021.
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vustudio608
Nice.
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Jeff
June 7th and June 10th, it's playing the Fathom re-release at AMC here in Hammond.
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vustudio608
Yeah.
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Jeff
They're going to do it on the 7th and the 10th of June.
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vustudio608
Dude, i catch I catch podcast movies all the time in Nashville because they're always there. We're doing them 30 years. so a lot of times it's like 30 years.
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Jeff
Yeah.
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vustudio608
I've seen probably 10 of them in town because I'm like, dude, we just did that.
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Jeff
Yeah.
00:09:53
vustudio608
I'm going to go watch that movie in the theater.
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Jeff
Yeah, it's really cool. That's really cool. um So where'd you see this one? Do you remember? Like, I know you said you don't remember watching it all the way. i had it on DVD, so I've seen it, but I i don't remember where i saw it first.
00:10:08
vustudio608
i don't remember I don't remember where I saw it, i don't and I don't remember it very well, so I clearly didn't watch it a lot. So like it's kind of felt like my first time, even though i'm sure it was not.
00:10:14
Jeff
Yeah.
00:10:18
Jeff
Right. Um, do Did you remember? You didn't have this. You weren't like all the DVDs. You just had certain ones, right?
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vustudio608
I mean, dude, i had I had like an embarrassingly large number of DVDs because when I was going to college in Montana and it was like kind of – I mean, like high-speed internet was just kind of just coming around. ah
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Jeff
Yeah.
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vustudio608
But I didn't really – like it was cold all the time. And if I wasn't in class or in practice,
00:10:40
Jeff
Right.
Nostalgia and DVD Collection
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vustudio608
I was just like sitting in my room by myself.
00:10:44
vustudio608
So I would get bored and I would just drive to freaking wherever and go buy – like just go buy a couple DVDs.
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Jeff
Yeah.
00:10:50
Jeff
Right.
00:10:50
vustudio608
And they were in the like don't steal this cases that someone had to unlock with a key.
00:10:55
Jeff
Yeah.
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vustudio608
So, yes, I did have – maybe it was not – I don't think I had as many DVDs as you because nobody had as many DVDs as you, but I had hunt i had hundreds of, like, movies where it's what's up?
00:11:01
Jeff
No, no, no. Well...
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vustudio608
Why do you own this? i was like, don't worry about it. It's awesome.
00:11:08
Jeff
but It's fantastic. It's called buying the cow. Stop. Get off my back. ah dude the ones The reason my got so big is because there's like a mom and pop rental place that was going on a business when I was like working for CVS and California.
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vustudio608
Yeah.
00:11:24
Jeff
And like... you remember how Blockbuster had like the shelves sections. It would go like from the top down to the bottom and then start over at the the next thing.
00:11:31
vustudio608
Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:35
Jeff
They would sell the whole shelf for $10. So they were paying me $40 a day just to eat. And I wasn't eating that much money. So I i had so much money left over that.
00:11:46
Jeff
I was just like, i just think I need all of these. So I was just going through and buying whole shelves of stuff. That's how I got so many random things.
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vustudio608
i don't i don't I don't blame you at all. we also I mean, you and I did both make it rain at the 550 bin at Walmart. you just be getting your whatever. ah For me, probably just like a just a Walmart cart full of Totino's pizzas.
00:12:07
vustudio608
And I was like, ooh, 550 bin. Let me get some of these.
00:12:09
Jeff
Yeah, you gotta.
00:12:09
vustudio608
Radio, the double disc. I need that. i don't even like that movie.
00:12:14
Jeff
Cooper Cutting Jr. It's Boat Trip and Radio. A double feature? I need it. ah that's great. um
00:12:21
vustudio608
Yeah. Do you remember seeing this for the first time?
00:12:24
Jeff
I don't, not for the first time, but I totally, I had it on DVD because I found it because it made me watch Buying the Cow, which we're not doing.
00:12:31
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:12:31
Jeff
We're going to skip that one just so you know. I remember it being funny.
00:12:35
vustudio608
It's did. I rewatched it. I rewatched it a few years ago. It's not that good.
00:12:39
Jeff
Oh, what were we thinking? Um...
00:12:41
vustudio608
I do that. That was a movie for a very specific time. The early two thousands, we were in our early twenties and that movie was hilarious then and now is horrible.
00:12:45
Jeff
God.
00:12:50
vustudio608
Um,
00:12:51
Jeff
I just... I just thought it was going to be funny. It's got Jerry O'Connell and I was just like, this is going to be good.
00:12:57
vustudio608
It's got Ryan Reynolds. It had some funny parts, but not funny in 2026, just funny in 2002 through 2007.
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Jeff
Yeah.
00:13:02
vustudio608
you rate this one? through two thousand and seven
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Jeff
Right.
00:13:04
vustudio608
um
00:13:04
Jeff
Right.
00:13:05
vustudio608
where'd you rate this one
00:13:05
Jeff
right, so... Yeah, um... I really enjoyed it. I liked it more than I remember liking it. Um,
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Jeff
I couldn't really find too many faults with it, even in 2026, uh, especially after watching like some of the people, I was going to give it a lower rating, like, Oh man, uh, Hank Azaria can't do Agatha Spadaki
Film's Humor and Relevance
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Jeff
like that anymore.
00:13:34
Jeff
Like that's just too much.
00:13:35
vustudio608
Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:36
Jeff
Um, But man, watching it, he's like, hey, it's okay to laugh at that stuff back then. Now we know I can't do, i couldn't make fun of an entire race of people and an entire ah subsection of people at once. So it's okay to laugh at the old stuff. And me hearing that over and over from all of the actors throughout the whole thing, it went from an eight to a nine. So I'm giving it a nine. freaking loved it.
00:14:03
vustudio608
Yeah, man, I'd almost entirely forgotten this movie. And I was like, very pleasantly surprised at how I knew it was going to be funny because I know that Nathan Lane and Robin Williams are hilarious, but I was like, dude, this movie's good.
00:14:14
Jeff
Right. Right.
00:14:17
vustudio608
ah
00:14:18
Jeff
Yeah.
00:14:19
vustudio608
Like, it's what's insanely entertaining and way more relevant than I would have thought and way less stereotypical than I was expecting. i thought was going to be a lot of, like, problematic. It's like, I probably wouldn't make that joke anymore. But other than some of the portrayals, like Hank Azaria's, which is, like, super stereotypical ah and also kind of racist, like, everything else is like, dude, this is fine.
00:14:29
Jeff
Right.
00:14:36
Jeff
Yeah.
00:14:38
vustudio608
This is great. I gave it an 8.5. I said 8.5.
00:14:43
Jeff
That's that's dude it's it's a perfect spot for it.
00:14:45
vustudio608
I mean, it's runtime two hours, but it it didn't feel long. And it's really, it's just like, three or four really big set pieces and all of them are hilarious everybody the cast is stupid robin williams nathan lane are the leads but then gene hackman is the conservative senator and freaking hank is area is the is the gay butler and calista flockart is the freaking daughter that's getting married and there's a bunch of like kind of supporting role and cusack is in there and like bunch of people where it's like i recognize that guy
00:14:54
Jeff
So good.
00:15:08
Jeff
Dude.
00:15:12
Jeff
Did you see how, what about, ah did you see how old Calesta Flackhart was in that movie? Because she was playing somebody who was, what, she was 18, 19?
00:15:23
Jeff
nineteen She was like in her 30s.
00:15:25
vustudio608
Yeah, she was 31.
00:15:28
Jeff
Golly, that's great.
00:15:29
vustudio608
But honestly, dude, she wasn't that well-known and because Ally McBeal is the next year.
00:15:33
Jeff
Right.
00:15:36
vustudio608
And and i I believed it.
00:15:36
Jeff
Yeah.
00:15:38
vustudio608
I mean, dude, it's that's the that is the Hollywood standard.
00:15:38
Jeff
Yeah.
00:15:41
vustudio608
It's like here's a 31-year-old playing a teenager.
00:15:43
Jeff
Yeah. um
00:15:45
vustudio608
like She just doesn't wear a lot of makeup, and she wears her hair in a ponytail, and it's fine.
00:15:50
Jeff
She has glasses and a ponytail. She's so gross.
00:15:55
Jeff
um Yeah, dude. 8.59. That's perfect. That's right in the spot for me, too. hi I freaking loved it way more than I thought I would.
00:16:03
vustudio608
This was definitely a surprise.
00:16:05
Jeff
Yeah, I...
00:16:06
vustudio608
It was a surprise, and I kept waiting for it to be like boring or inappropriate, and i was like, dude, this is all... And even like the relationship between Robin Williams and Nathan Lane, who are you know gay.
00:16:16
Jeff
Yeah.
00:16:16
vustudio608
play Nathan Lane is the drag show star attraction, and Robin Williams owns the drag bar and
Chemistry of the Cast
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vustudio608
their longtime partners.
00:16:22
Jeff
Right.
00:16:24
vustudio608
like That could have been played for so much more comedy and way cheaper than it was.
00:16:24
Jeff
Yeah.
00:16:28
vustudio608
like that You could actually tell that that was they were a serious in a serious relationship, cared about each other, and... like And sure, like Nathan Lane is super flamboyant and it's hilarious. But like and they like the relationship wasn't a mockery.
00:16:43
vustudio608
It was legit.
00:16:43
Jeff
Right, right, right. i and You know what?
00:16:45
vustudio608
And Robin Williams played it really straight. I mean, not straight, but straight.
00:16:48
Jeff
read Dude, and you're right. Like, how hard was it for him to do that? or We're totally not used to seeing it. And I...
00:16:56
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:16:58
Jeff
To have Timon come out there and just scream the whole time and Robin Williams not lose it. Like I thought the whole part of Robin Williams was going to be the, um you know, the, what's the, like the, when he's like, Twyla, Twyla, Twyla, or Michael Kidd, Michael Kidd, Madonna, Madonna.
00:17:14
Jeff
And he just kept doing it.
00:17:14
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:17:15
Jeff
That's what I thought the whole thing was going to be. Cause I'm picturing Robin Williams from the nineties in my head and it really wasn't.
00:17:18
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:17:22
Jeff
And it was great.
00:17:23
vustudio608
And I don't know if it's like really great direction or really good editing, or maybe it's just Robin Williams deciding to play it really understated for him, which is kind of funny.
00:17:30
Jeff
Just, yeah, turning it down.
00:17:33
vustudio608
Cause if you think anyone's going to play a flamboyant gay man, it's Robin Williams. and you're like, yeah, toned it down. It's like, he did what? That's a crazy choice.
00:17:41
Jeff
Yeah.
00:17:41
vustudio608
Robin Williams is a great actor, man.
00:17:43
Jeff
Yeah, he really was. Super funny. Makes you feel stuff.
00:17:48
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:17:49
Jeff
What a freaking shame.
00:17:50
vustudio608
Incredible
Cinematic Techniques
00:17:51
vustudio608
mustache. First scene, first one of my favorite scenes is that is that one actually, Starino won't go on. ahs They open, it's the dude it's like a drag, it's a drag show and it's like, and Nathan Lane is Starino, he's the main attraction and he's being a dramatic main attraction.
00:17:59
Jeff
Yeah.
00:18:01
Jeff
yeah oh
00:18:08
vustudio608
He won't come out of the dressing room and he's in there like having a meltdown and Robin Williams is the club owner and he's got, they have to go have like a dramatic, he's like, just, are what are you, just, will you get out there? And dudes, there's so much about it that I loved.
00:18:24
vustudio608
Like Hank Azaria is the freaking gay Guatemalan butler. And he's like, he's like here, take the piran. He's like, take the piran. You can have one. He's going to have one after after the performance. And Robin Williams is like, do what are you doing? Don't give him drugs. Or her, he calls her. Don't give her drugs. like What the hell is that?
00:18:42
vustudio608
It was this aspirin. I scratch out the AS. I just this piran. He's like, you're a genius. He's guy, no.
00:18:47
Jeff
so sorry. you she And he's wearing like a mesh shirt that stops way above the the belly button and cut off jeans, no shoes, shoes make him fall down.
00:18:55
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:18:59
Jeff
And his Guatemalan accent, God bless.
00:19:04
vustudio608
Dude, and Robin Williams is like wearing like a big freaking billowy like silk, like Hawaiian shirt.
00:19:04
Jeff
Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:09
vustudio608
He's got gold chains in his freaking chest forest. And and you can – and he's just going – he's like Nathan Lane. He's like just refusing to go on. He's glad he's like, all right, tell – He tells Sancazari, he's like, tell whatever name is, Chelsea.
00:19:23
vustudio608
Tell Chelsea to do Starina's number. Chelsea, you wouldn't dare. He's like, well, I...
00:19:26
Jeff
You wouldn't. I can't. I'm so fat. I'm i'm horrible. um Nobody loves me. I'm so gross. I'm old and fat.
00:19:34
vustudio608
Dude. That's in one of my quotes.
00:19:38
Jeff
Oh, God.
00:19:38
vustudio608
ah and And Robin Williams is like like, we got a packed house down there.
00:19:39
Jeff
I love it.
00:19:43
vustudio608
Half of them are Kennedys. They're all here to see Starina.
00:19:47
Jeff
Yeah. do you think I should give him something free? Yeah. Give him what it ends up giving him a free, free coffee or so yeah.
00:19:53
vustudio608
Coffee. Yeah.
00:19:54
Jeff
Free coffee.
00:19:55
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:19:55
Jeff
Enjoy the coffee. Stay awake. That's so dude. Yes. um And that speaking of that building,
00:20:07
Jeff
I don't want to put it in my scenes, but since you brought that scene, which is in the very beginning up, did you notice the opening shot?
00:20:12
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:20:17
Jeff
So it's going over the water.
00:20:19
vustudio608
It's going over the A1A Miami highway, like to South.
00:20:22
Jeff
right.
00:20:23
vustudio608
beach
00:20:24
Jeff
And then it, then it goes up onto the beach over the beachfront road, zooms into the tight, into the door of the club.
00:20:34
Jeff
The doors open up.
00:20:34
vustudio608
Yep.
00:20:35
Jeff
It goes through the club onto the stage, turns to the guy picking up the phone saying, where the hell is Darina? Like the stage manager all in one smooth shot, which is like,
00:20:43
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:20:49
Jeff
That's totally a thing. um Lubezki? Who's cat leeski who's the Hold on. I have it in my notes. ah Lubezki.
00:21:02
Jeff
That's his name. That's the guy who did the, that's the cinematographer dude. That's totally his thing. Like making it look all as one, like bird man with ah Michael Keaton, how it looks like all one tracking shot.
00:21:13
vustudio608
but Michael Keaton.
00:21:15
Jeff
ah He's very good at that. I, it took me a while to find out how to, how they did it. But then this guy showed how it starts in the helicopter
00:21:22
vustudio608
Well, yeah, well, because dude, it starts with a helicopter shot, and then it comes into a crane shot, and then it goes into like a Steadicam indoor shot, and he stitches them all together.
00:21:28
Jeff
Right. And all of it's like seamless, dude.
00:21:30
vustudio608
So it looks like it's continuous.
00:21:32
Jeff
And they do the thing where it's like the guy, they zooms in on the guy grabbing the handles on the door and then it switches to that city cam and then it's the same guy, but it's so perfect.
00:21:42
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:21:43
Jeff
It's, it's so seamless, uh, right into the club and it sets the whole stage for that whole thing. I figured, and we are family, uh, sister sledge playing in the background.
00:21:53
Jeff
it was freaking awesome.
00:21:54
vustudio608
Yeah, yeah.
00:21:55
Jeff
It was awesome.
00:21:56
vustudio608
Emmanuel Lebesky, the cinematographer, by the way, won three straight Academy Awards for best cinematography in the 2010s for Gravity and then Birdman and then The Revenant. So he is like legit and incredible cinematographer.
00:22:06
Jeff
nice revenants you know yeah revenants the other one that's so smooth you can't even tell like it's separate cuts that's so cool so cool
00:22:14
vustudio608
Yeah. Side note, by the way, the they renamed the Florida State Road A1A for
00:22:22
Jeff
yeah uh ice ice maybe yeah yeah
00:22:22
vustudio608
which I only knew from ah Vanilla Ice, A1A Beachfront Avenue, ah they now have renamed that the Jimmy Buffett Memorial Highway.
00:22:31
Jeff
Nice that doesn't have the same ring when you're rapping as vanilla ice.
00:22:32
vustudio608
Yeah. You cannot. You can't wrap that one the same way. Yeah. Yeah, dude, that was my first scene. what's ah that But, dude, I couldn't.
00:22:39
Jeff
um
00:22:40
vustudio608
I was trying to figure out because that building looked like. If that movie came out now, that is that establishing shot of the exterior from, like, the the helicopter shot to the crane shot from the exterior, would have just assumed that was CGI because it looked like the place could not possibly be real.
00:22:55
Jeff
Right that's the Carlisle I think.
00:22:56
vustudio608
But it's 96, so I know it actually was real.
00:23:00
Jeff
Yeah. I think I've actually been there because I, want to say it's a hotel now.
00:23:03
vustudio608
Nice.
00:23:08
Jeff
It's all up in like um bad boys. It was in that it was in burn burn notice.
00:23:11
vustudio608
Oh yeah.
00:23:14
Jeff
They put, they showed it a lot. I think it's called the Carla.
00:23:18
vustudio608
Yeah, no, it's a famous place.
00:23:19
Jeff
Yeah. I think I've been there.
00:23:21
vustudio608
Carlisle Hotel. Yeah, it's it's on Ocean Drive.
00:23:22
Jeff
Carlisle. Yeah.
00:23:24
vustudio608
But it's just like that, just there's there's like an art art deco district on Ocean Drive, and it's freaking the perfect place to set this movie.
00:23:24
Jeff
The,
00:23:28
Jeff
Yeah, and that's so cool. God, that's and that's what I'm saying. like The fact that it was going to be New Orleans, but then they decided to do this.
Comedic Highlights
00:23:36
Jeff
um Either one would have worked, but this, yeah, it just came out perfect.
00:23:40
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:23:41
Jeff
ah My first... um my first one first scene is Armand's trying to teach Albert. Robin Williams trying to teach Nathan Lane, uh, how to act like a man, the whole John Wayne walking lesson, like try, to try to be Bush.
00:23:54
vustudio608
Yes.
00:23:55
Jeff
And he kept pulling his pinky up and he was like, kept knocking it down.
00:23:58
vustudio608
Yeah, I kept slapping his pinky.
00:24:00
Jeff
um dude just like oh god i just i don't know the ah the straight version is just another costume that they he's wearing and like ah god they just played it so well like he he just keeps holding his hands like this and they they're always like out like that or limped wrist god and they're shaking hands and oh my god
00:24:19
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:24:23
vustudio608
They, that's, and that's my second scene. And in my notes, I call it, let's get down to business. I'll make a man out of you. And he's like, dude, Nathan Lane's trying to, and Robin Williams is like, he's like okay, just do this.
00:24:36
vustudio608
He's like, just take some butter. And you just, he's like just don't. He's like, see how you're drizzling it with, with a spoon. He's like, just take the mustard with this, with a knife.
00:24:42
Jeff
Who the mustard
00:24:44
vustudio608
And just smear it all. It just men just smear. And so Nathan Lane's guy, he's got his pinky and he's like very delicately smearing.
00:24:47
Jeff
men smear. They He's like, put your pinky down.
00:24:49
vustudio608
He's but And the toast flies away. He's like, ah! just I dropped the toast.
00:24:55
Jeff
Oh, dude.
00:24:55
vustudio608
He's like no, no, you're a man.
00:24:55
Jeff
That is the best part to any, any tears it.
00:24:56
vustudio608
You don't care about the toast. he's Just take the toast and throw it.
00:25:00
Jeff
It's just like a tiny little tear of the toast. And he just, ah Oh God. It was so good. So good. Um,
00:25:08
vustudio608
Also, like, i kept thinking about Nathan Lane, because in 96, Nathan Lane is... is not out of the closet at a time when like that, it like it matters if you are in or out of the closet and it doesn't anymore.
00:25:15
Jeff
He's not.
00:25:19
Jeff
Right.
00:25:19
vustudio608
It's like do whatever you want.
00:25:20
Jeff
Yeah.
00:25:20
vustudio608
No one wants to hear about your bedroom activities. But that was like a big deal in the 90s.
00:25:22
Jeff
Right.
00:25:24
vustudio608
He's like, yeah, you come out, you just tell people and then you're out and like, all right, or just whatever. So he at the time as an actor, a closeted gay actor, which means he's presenting as pretending to be straight in his real life, playing a character who is gay, but in the movie has to pretend to be straight.
00:25:28
Jeff
Right.
00:25:33
Jeff
Right.
00:25:37
Jeff
right
00:25:40
vustudio608
i was like, that shit is giving me a headache.
00:25:41
Jeff
right
00:25:42
vustudio608
How did he do that?
00:25:43
Jeff
Yeah, it's so, and dude, the fact that Robin Williams um fought for him to get this role, because he's like, I know he could kill it. And then Mike Nichols is the director.
00:25:55
Jeff
He said, on this thing, I want everybody to be friendly.
00:25:55
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:25:59
Jeff
I don't want, he's like, I don't need this to be a place where if it comes out that Nathan Lane is gay, that it's going to be a problem. He's like, I want this to be, i want this to be happy. I wrote it down because I was reading about it.
00:26:15
vustudio608
yeah
00:26:15
Jeff
I'm trying to find it my thing. He was like, I want it. I want everybody to make sure that everybody's comfortable here. And it was super easy and unusually kind is the word that Nathan Lane kept using.
00:26:29
vustudio608
Yeah,
00:26:31
Jeff
um Just a good vibes production. Like that's what you want. You want everybody to be comfortable and happy and that makes a better movie. And the fact that everybody there was welcoming and accepting of all that, that made it better for everybody.
00:26:45
Jeff
I think that's freaking great.
00:26:45
vustudio608
yeah man. Well, it's and it's also like. It's a really interesting casting, What If? Because originally when Mike Nichols, when he and Elaine May, his comedy partner, Mike Nichols and Elaine May were, Nichols and May were a comedy duo from the 50s and 60s that were huge.
00:26:56
Jeff
Yeah.
00:26:59
Jeff
Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:00
vustudio608
and And he was, they're originally thinking of Robin Williams and Steve Martin in this, but...
00:27:04
Jeff
Martin. I saw that.
00:27:06
vustudio608
But Robin Williams playing Nathan Lane's part and Steve Martin being the kind of straight man. And Steve Martin is like, I don't think I can really do that. And Robin Williams is like, I just did drag. I feel like I probably am good on that.
00:27:17
vustudio608
And so so then they kind of flip-flopped.
00:27:17
Jeff
Right.
00:27:19
vustudio608
Robin Williams went into his role and they found Nathan Lane. And then Nathan Lane was supposed to do a Broadway show.
00:27:22
Jeff
Yeah.
00:27:24
vustudio608
And Mike Nichols actually convinced the producer of the Broadway show. He's like, just hold off on the show for a little bit so we can do this movie. Like they actually, they wanted it bad enough. They got a Broadway show pro postponed.
00:27:35
Jeff
Well, that, and that probably worked out better since this movie was so huge. The Broadway show probably was able to go like, Hey, also we have Nathan Lane. So like,
00:27:43
vustudio608
Yeah, because he was not, I mean, he did voice voice work for a Lion King, but he wasn't a household name at this point in time.
00:27:49
Jeff
Yeah.
00:27:50
vustudio608
And this is a is a giant movie.
00:27:51
Jeff
God. I freaking love him as Timon, too.
00:27:55
vustudio608
Yeah, dude, he's incredible.
00:27:57
Jeff
he was wasn't He was on...
00:27:57
vustudio608
Ernie, Ernie, Sabella, and...
00:27:58
Jeff
um what This was already after. yeah we did Life with Mikey.
00:28:02
vustudio608
Yeah, we did Lion King a couple years ago.
00:28:03
Jeff
yeah No, Life with Mikey. with ah
00:28:05
vustudio608
Oh, Life of Mikey. Yeah, we did.
00:28:06
Jeff
um He's in that. that's He's opposite of Michael J.
00:28:08
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:28:09
Jeff
Fox in that.
00:28:09
vustudio608
Yeah. No, he he had done stuff, but this was by far his biggest movie and also his biggest part.
00:28:12
Jeff
Yeah, that was in the 550 bin, sure. Life with Mikey. Yeah. That one's next to buying the cow in my collection.
00:28:19
vustudio608
that i Not that I don't like.
00:28:21
Jeff
um
00:28:23
vustudio608
I don't think we did live with Mikey, actually.
00:28:24
Jeff
didy we We kept talking about it, though, remember?
00:28:26
vustudio608
ah think we No, I think we did the other one where he loved her money.
00:28:27
Jeff
I love that song. Me too. What were you playing? yeah Yeah, Love Her Money. That's the one we did. ha Life with Mikey, we missed it.
00:28:33
vustudio608
that's my second scene That's my second scene too. and When he's freaking learning how to walk like a man and he gets up and he's like wearing clogs and he's got his knees touching the whole time.
00:28:43
Jeff
And the lady's sitting next to him, reading the paper at the next table.
00:28:43
vustudio608
asked And
00:28:47
Jeff
Ah, she's dressed like an old lady from South Beach.
00:28:48
vustudio608
he's like...
00:28:50
Jeff
It's great.
00:28:50
vustudio608
He's like attempting to walk like a straight man. He's like, what, too swishy? And Williams is like, just think about John Wayne.
00:28:56
Jeff
Yeah.
00:28:57
vustudio608
Just try to walk like, think of John Wayne. Try to walk like John Wayne.
00:29:00
Jeff
Well, all right, partner.
00:29:00
vustudio608
He's like swinging his hips.
00:29:03
Jeff
And the end is like, actually, it's perfect. I just never knew John Wayne walk like that. That's so funny.
00:29:07
vustudio608
He's like, I didn't realize that John Wayne. And then right after that, like a continuation of that same scene as this is the quote from the trailer that was f freaking hilarious. He's like, how about the dolphins? like how'd you feel? Third and He's like, how can I feel?
00:29:20
vustudio608
Betrayed.
00:29:23
Jeff
like They got together with like shaken hands all manly.
00:29:27
vustudio608
God.
00:29:27
Jeff
ah And then he starts talking shit to that guy sitting down and then he stands up and he's way tall.
00:29:31
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:29:32
Jeff
He's like, no, I was talking to the man behind you. Sorry. It's freaking great.
00:29:35
vustudio608
He, the physical comedy from both of them, but especially from Nathan Lane is, God, it's so good.
00:29:42
Jeff
his scream. I scream a lot like Homer when stuff happens.
00:29:47
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:29:48
Jeff
ah
00:29:48
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:29:49
Jeff
I know it would be a step backwards for my entire family and it would bother the hell out of them, but I kind of want to just yell like Nathan Lane instead. It's very, it's very funny.
00:29:58
vustudio608
It's, it's great.
00:30:00
Jeff
It's very funny.
00:30:00
vustudio608
It is great.
00:30:00
Jeff
So that was your second one.
00:30:01
vustudio608
All right What's your next thing?
00:30:02
Jeff
My second one was, um,
00:30:06
Jeff
Agidor in his shoes that he has to wear because he's making him put on shoes.
00:30:08
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:30:11
Jeff
So Agidor is played by Hank Azaria and he doesn't wear shoes because the shoes make him fall down.
00:30:12
vustudio608
Freaking Hank is area.
00:30:17
Jeff
um But because he's under pressure to be really perfect for this function of the the new wife's right.
00:30:25
vustudio608
Well, they're meeting the conservative family of their future in-laws and it's freaking Gene Hackman and he's a senator and his wife's, you know, he's got a freaking shirt that buttons all the way up to the neck.
00:30:28
Jeff
Yeah.
00:30:33
vustudio608
Like it's,
00:30:33
Jeff
All the way. Dude, so
00:30:35
vustudio608
So they have they have to de-gay the apartment and bring in like a freaking giant crucifix and everybody's got to wear way more clothes and like, it's ridiculous.
00:30:42
Jeff
look you like the cult effects i i traded the moose for it they even threw in these books ah dude i was crying hangers area was killing it
00:30:50
vustudio608
Yeah. Robin Williams is like, are we crucifying someone later? What is that doing there?
00:30:58
Jeff
ah It's like on a fool's rush in when he says, Jesus Christ.
00:31:01
vustudio608
Jesus.
00:31:04
Jeff
ah Dude, the part where the doorbell rings and he's going to go, I thought I'll get it. No worry. And he just freaking walks forward and face plants forward and then gently walks down the steps and open when he goes to open the door slips again.
00:31:22
Jeff
Dude, I had to pause it because I was laughing. i I don't know why that was so funny to me, but it was hilarious.
00:31:28
vustudio608
it's it's It's, again, it's brilliant physical comedy. And I wonder if it's because, like, Nichols and May, the writer-director, if that's just an area that they were really good at or if the actors were really good at it.
00:31:34
Jeff
So good.
00:31:41
vustudio608
But, like, you just don't see that much physical comedy in movies.
00:31:44
Jeff
Yeah.
00:31:45
vustudio608
And I don't know why because it's great. But it it seems like is the of thing.
00:31:47
Jeff
Yeah.
00:31:48
vustudio608
It's probably really hard to write into a script. So if you don't have actors and directors who want to try it, it's just hard to kind of get it done.
00:31:54
Jeff
Yeah.
00:31:55
vustudio608
But this movie is freaking chock full of it.
00:31:55
Jeff
i
00:31:56
vustudio608
It's great.
00:31:57
Jeff
It really is. and And it's not even like physical comedy like where you boys falling down all the time or like ah Chevy Chase is really good or used to be really good at like physical comedy where he's like putting the glasses on and turns his head and they fall off.
00:32:08
vustudio608
Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:12
Jeff
like That kind of stuff is good, but this is like...
00:32:12
vustudio608
yeah
00:32:15
Jeff
the finger up and dude, everything about this movie was, was great. If you haven't seen it, if you're listening to this and haven't seen it, i kind of want to watch it again all of a sudden. I don't know why it was really good.
00:32:28
Jeff
i know I saw stuff this time that I didn't remember seeing before. I'm sure I'll see more stuff. That's super funny.
00:32:37
vustudio608
Yeah, man, there's there's no doubt about it. So the third scene that I have, I'm sure is probably the one that you have, which is the dinner scene.
00:32:46
Jeff
Dude. i I didn't have that.
00:32:50
vustudio608
There's this big thing, because like,
00:32:51
Jeff
I did have that scene written down, but i don't that's not my third.
00:32:53
vustudio608
So Robin Williams' son, he had like a one-night stand with a woman 20 years ago, and now the son is 20 and he's getting married, and they have to meet the in-laws, and it's freaking Gene Hackman and his conservative wife, and he's a senator, and it's and he's like begging Robin Williams.
00:32:59
Jeff
Yeah. Right.
00:33:04
Jeff
Right.
00:33:07
vustudio608
like he got He's like, they're coming over. that just like He's the head of the family values whatever. Senate majority leaders like, we've got to like de-gay the apartment.
00:33:12
Jeff
Right.
00:33:15
vustudio608
He's like, you've got to change your clothes. you got to change your mannerisms. Try not to talk too much. He's like, we've got to get rid of Albertson. And dude, it's Robin Williams. like Like they're just taking stuff out of it everything.
00:33:27
vustudio608
It's just like, it's as gay as a South beach apartment could be in 1996.
00:33:28
Jeff
other
00:33:32
Jeff
All the statues have huge penises.
00:33:32
vustudio608
They're taking everything out. Yes.
00:33:34
Jeff
Neptune? I have to take down Neptune? Are you kidding?
00:33:37
vustudio608
and robin williams he he's like wearing a freaking double-breasted suit and a tie and he's uh but the and then and so nathan lane is very dramatic and is very upset that he's not allowed to go to the dinner because he can't even pretend to be straight and because he comes out wearing his suit and he's like wearing pink socks and they're like like what about the he's like well one does want a bit of color uh
00:34:01
Jeff
I'm dressed just like you. and then even in his subdued thing, he's just like, well, I'm embarrassing you, so I'll leave. It's okay. Like, he's just as over the top. He's just toned everything down.
00:34:15
vustudio608
And he freaking decides halfway through to just get it dressed in drag and come in and pretend to be the kid's mother and Gene Hackman has no idea and they're really hitting it off and Gene Hackman freaking loves the mother.
00:34:20
Jeff
The mother...
00:34:25
vustudio608
and said She's great. She's strong woman. She's got great values and he's she's talking about how like she wants to return to the Bible and
00:34:32
Jeff
ah Dude, what about when he first walks in in that suit too? Like he goes to walk and he's got his hands down, but he stops and he puts them down by his side and then he sits in that stupid lounge thing at the, yeah, at the end of the, at the end of the bed and his elbows slipping off.
00:34:38
vustudio608
yeah.
00:34:42
vustudio608
Yes, it's in a like little chaise lounge thing, whatever that is. at the end of the bed.
00:34:49
Jeff
God, dude, he's, he really is. He kills it. He kills it.
00:34:53
vustudio608
Yeah. And that scene, it went it's last it it was like the last 25 minutes of the movie, but it was so great because there was just there were so many bits in there.
00:34:58
Jeff
Yeah.
00:35:02
vustudio608
like the Nathan Lane in drag is trying to tell the senator about how she's like he's like, i don't mind if they kill the abortion doctors.
00:35:03
Jeff
so many
00:35:09
vustudio608
I don't mind if they kill the women. I mean, the baby died, but it was to die anyway. And Robin Williams is like, let's get more ice for everybody. We all need ice.
00:35:15
Jeff
who needs ice oh man
00:35:17
vustudio608
Like he's trying to sidetrack the conversation. Like they keep going into the kitchen where freaking Hank Azaria is cooking stuff and he's like falling over and he's like, they don't have enough shrimp and they can't find the door to the kitchen because they hung up curtains to block all the doors. cause It was just freaking like mosaics and shit.
00:35:33
vustudio608
And so it's, it's, it's like an epic, like I would just see that as a one act play, the dinner scene there. Cause it's incredible.
00:35:39
Jeff
What about, ah yeah, dude, what about when ah Gene Hackman's telling a story and it's like boring as hell and so bad and they're all just freaking nodding off and trying so hard focus.
00:35:44
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:35:51
Jeff
I didn't, was that the phone? I didn't even hear the phone because I was so enthralled with your story, Senator.
00:35:55
vustudio608
I was so enthralled with your stuff.
00:35:56
Jeff
her
00:36:00
Jeff
oh man so dude i wrote that scene down because it's a huge scene in the movie and everybody remembers that scene uh the one i wrote down for my third one is when it all comes to a head and uh albert's very upset um It's like the the heart scene.
00:36:21
Jeff
You know, Robin Williams drops his volume down to normal people volume and he gives it the emotional edge that he can do.
00:36:24
vustudio608
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:31
Jeff
um And they're sitting at the bus stop
00:36:35
vustudio608
yeah
00:36:35
Jeff
And they're talking about palimony and he signs over. He's like, I own half of your stuff. You and half of my stuff. Like we're fine. Dude, that part of the movie, I was like, damn, this is freaking great. It goes from being wicked, funny and super physical to super emotional and really well done and heartfelt. And I freaking loved it. I love that whole.
00:37:01
Jeff
reconciliation right there he's and dude albert albert's sitting with his knees together and he's holding his hands like this and he's got his glasses on and he's and there's a boat going by in the background and he's just not making eye contact with robin williams the whole time dude i freaking loved it they both played it so well so well
00:37:23
vustudio608
They, um, the, the like palimony through line is great.
00:37:25
Jeff
killed it
00:37:28
vustudio608
Cause it's, it's, if you probably, if you made this movie now, they just want everything to be so broad and like so simple, they would have taken that out, but it's, it gives it such a grounding, like, you know, Robin Williams owns the club, Nathan Lane's the star.
00:37:33
Jeff
yeah
00:37:39
vustudio608
They've been together for 20 years. And he's always like that. one of the things they're fighting about early on when he refuses to go on stage, it's like, they want the palimony and Robin Williams. Like I don't have a palimony agreement on me. It's like, but we will get it.
00:37:50
vustudio608
And then like, yeah,
00:37:50
Jeff
Why are you taking in that tone with me? Why do you have to say it like that? like,
00:37:54
vustudio608
He's like, I know you're running around with somebody while I'm on stage because there's white wine in the fridge and you and I only drink red. And Robin Williams is like, I switched to white because the red has tannins.
00:38:01
Jeff
I don't drink the red because it has tenons.
00:38:04
vustudio608
Tannins?
00:38:12
Jeff
freaking love it. I love it.
00:38:14
vustudio608
There's... So, like, it's it is such a it's such a great emotional through line that's... I mean, they just... There was more stuff they could have done for comedy and I liked that they kept the...
00:38:23
Jeff
Yeah, and they wrapped do they wrapped it up with that.
00:38:23
vustudio608
the heart there. And, um and they, they said that Nichols and May, they said that they did a lot of rehearsing and that like once the, and because Robin Williams and Nathan Lane are such great improvisers, they improvised a ton during the rehearsals.
00:38:25
Jeff
That was magical for me.
00:38:40
vustudio608
And so they Nichols and May just said like, we wanted to, we, we put that in the movie and we wanted to kind of shoot the movie like it was a play because, know, like instead of doing a million takes with a bunch of coverage, it's like we got a cinematographer going to capture a lot of stuff.
00:38:53
vustudio608
We got great improvisers. We're going to ton of rehearsals and we're going to kind of run through it.
00:38:56
Jeff
God.
00:38:57
vustudio608
I was like, God, that's I love when they do that. and Like not a lot of editing and just,
00:39:01
Jeff
That's so great. Yeah.
00:39:04
vustudio608
Yeah. Nathan Lane so told a story on Kimmel about working with Gene Hackman a from the Birdcage.
00:39:05
Jeff
That's...
00:39:12
vustudio608
He just said he's my favorite actor. And I told him every day on the Birdcage, we shot that dinner scene for like probably a week. And so every morning we would be sitting before shooting and I would just go you know, you're my favorite actor.
00:39:22
vustudio608
And just be like and yeah I would just ask him questions. He'd tell me about the French Connection. He's like, oh, you like the French Connection? It's just... like but dude how we nathan lane steals this movie but gene hackman is also brilliant
00:39:29
Jeff
That's great.
00:39:35
Jeff
Dude, I have never.
Memorable Moments
00:39:37
Jeff
Like, I know that I can um picture people in my head looking a certain way.
00:39:46
Jeff
Like, if you said, hey dude, I'm going to shave off my beard and I'm going to be in drag, I could almost picture what you would look like. Seeing Gene Hackman in drag at the end of this movie, I was like, whoa.
00:39:54
vustudio608
yeah
00:39:58
Jeff
What the? Like, I almost didn't recognize him.
00:40:01
vustudio608
and He's like, I don't want to be the only girl not dancing.
00:40:02
Jeff
he
00:40:04
vustudio608
ah
00:40:05
Jeff
Don't leave me. Don't leave me.
00:40:08
vustudio608
that's That's the least believable part of this movie that a conservative senator would agree to dress in drag to escape drag club.
00:40:13
Jeff
Right.
00:40:14
vustudio608
He would just stay there until the whole thing, until our son died at his heat death.
00:40:15
Jeff
That.
00:40:19
vustudio608
um But Nathan Lane also said in the dinner, while they're waiting for the dinner to be prepared, they're like, they're day like Robin Williams and the, and the mother-in-law are playing the piano and the freaking kids are dancing together.
00:40:21
Jeff
Son with a U.
00:40:29
Jeff
Yeah.
00:40:31
vustudio608
And then Nathan Lane and drag is dancing with Gene Hackman and like whatever song they're playing.
00:40:33
Jeff
Yeah.
00:40:35
vustudio608
I don't remember what song it was, but it was like from a musical.
00:40:36
Jeff
Yeah.
00:40:37
vustudio608
And and Nathan Lane told a story.
00:40:38
Jeff
Yes.
00:40:39
vustudio608
He's like, oh he's like, I improv while we were dancing. He's like, he's you know, I played that in high school. And, and, and Gene Hackman, like without breaking at all, just said, I bet you were wonderful.
00:40:52
Jeff
Yes. Um, I, I,
00:40:53
vustudio608
Which is like the take that's in the movie. I i love stories about i I sprung something on somebody and they came right back and like it was perfect.
00:40:58
Jeff
And they just kept kept it going. Well, that's because one of the things I wrote down, there's a part like they're in the kitchen and they're trying to pour the stew, soup, what it what it ended up being, whatever it was, soup.
00:41:11
vustudio608
Yeah, i think it was soup.
00:41:11
Jeff
And he had to hurry up and bring it out because the bowls they used had like Greek gay people and having gay sex on the bowls.
00:41:18
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:41:22
Jeff
Uh, so he was going to try to fill it up before he could get his glasses and find it and see it. Uh, are you sure you you don't have a girl too? Cause I have a girl on mine. You don't, I, I'm pretty sure that's a, that's a boy, uh, that scene where he goes back there and he's talking to, uh, Agidor who has a freaking fistful of shrimp still because he didn't get to put the shrimp in it yet.
00:41:43
Jeff
Um,
00:41:43
vustudio608
Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:44
Jeff
And Robin Williams falls down after he takes a swig of the Glen Levitt or whatever it is he's swigging on. He swigs that scotch and then falls down.
00:41:56
Jeff
Well, the sun, he almost breaks. Of course, Hank Azaria is not going to break. He's ice cold. He's locked in. He's Agidor. And he's like, fuck the shrimp. And as he's running out, like all of that was made up. And they kept it in the movie because...
00:42:12
Jeff
Dude, it's just like having, I bet it's a really, it's a joy to be able to say like, I know the cinematographer is going to get what I need. I know these guys are going to keep it, keep the story together, but also make it great. All I got to do is sit here and say, ready, three, two, one, go.
00:42:28
Jeff
That dude, that sounds awesome.
00:42:31
vustudio608
I mean, I'm realizing as we're doing this episode that this is actually a really hard movie to talk about because so much of the comedy is visual.
00:42:31
Jeff
That sounds.
00:42:37
vustudio608
It's not from the like dialogue, you know?
00:42:38
Jeff
Right. Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:41
vustudio608
I'm just like, if you can't see it, it's not, us talking about is not nearly as funny. Like we can see it in our heads because we just saw the movie, but like, you gotta to go watch this because the physical bits are incredible.
00:42:47
Jeff
Right. you got know you really you really do.
00:42:50
vustudio608
All
00:42:50
Jeff
you You really do. Oh, man.
00:42:54
vustudio608
right, let's do a let's do let's do quotes.
00:42:55
Jeff
um
00:42:58
Jeff
Oh, yeah. Let's do quotes. Two of mine are from Agador, so I apologize ahead of time.
00:43:04
vustudio608
Okay, two minor from Nathan Lane.
00:43:08
Jeff
What's your first one?
00:43:11
vustudio608
um My first one is, don't look at me, I'm hideous! Because I'd forgotten that that was from this movie. And I feel like I've heard that said a million times.
00:43:23
Jeff
I feel like I've heard it said in that Nathan Lane voice too.
00:43:27
vustudio608
Yeah, yeah, that exact like delivery, that exact read.
00:43:31
Jeff
His voice is pretty iconic.
00:43:32
vustudio608
And when that hit, I was like, oh my God, I forgot that that was from this movie. Don't look at me. I'm hideous.
00:43:38
Jeff
Oh man. And that's in that opening scene where they're trying to get him to go out there and play it.
00:43:43
vustudio608
They're trying to get Storino on stage.
00:43:44
Jeff
Yeah. It's Tarina. Um, ah dude my first quote is Agador talking to Robin Williams son Val, Val Goldman, Coleman, Coleman, Coleman, the D is silent.
00:43:57
vustudio608
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:01
vustudio608
Oh man, the D is silent.
00:44:04
Jeff
Well, the D is silent here in America. See when we get, dude, everybody trying to keep the lie going was great.
00:44:07
vustudio608
Right.
00:44:12
Jeff
um
00:44:12
vustudio608
I know. I thought you said you were visiting your parents.
00:44:13
Jeff
So he's,
00:44:16
Jeff
Well, I did. And then they moved because you know what my father always said, live on the Island, but get buried in South beach. That's why you have all of my. Ah, genius. Um, so he, Agidor is talking to Val and Val's like, and put some shoes on, huh?
00:44:34
Jeff
And just like, he's, it's total. He's just giving information. It's not a joke. He's just saying, I never wear shoes. Cause it makes me fall down. Um, like I,
00:44:45
Jeff
he He wasn't trying to be funny. He was just saying that as information. And it was instantly hilarious to me.
00:44:50
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:44:53
Jeff
And then him walking in the, dude, he just kept falling.
00:44:53
vustudio608
And he felt like 25 times in the next five minutes.
00:44:57
Jeff
They didn't look like they fit. They look like little Marco Rubio wearing the shoes that Trump just got him on the news today. And like, they're just big on the back and they're like floppy and he's freaking just eating it every time he tries to take a step.
00:45:04
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:45:12
Jeff
It's fantastic. It's fantastic. So I never wear shoes. They make me fall down.
00:45:18
vustudio608
My next quote is from Robin Williams and Hank Azaria. What is Perrin? He's like, it's aspirin. I scratch off the ANS. I give it to her. He's that's brilliant.
00:45:31
vustudio608
thank but He just freaking takes aspirin, scratches off the letters, and is convinced Nathan Lane's very dramatic leading drag lady that that's the magic pill that that keeps him feeling good.
00:45:40
Jeff
Over the top, yeah.
00:45:43
vustudio608
And he's like parceling it out, just one a day.
00:45:44
Jeff
Oh, man. There is something to be said about a placebo effect like that. I, I think that's great that he figured it out.
00:45:51
vustudio608
Yes.
00:45:55
Jeff
um My second one is also from Aguador. Aguador. It's in the morning. Robin Williams is reading the art section and he takes a sip of the coffee and he doesn't, what's he called?
00:46:11
Jeff
calls it sludge or something like that.
00:46:12
vustudio608
Yeah, that sludge.
00:46:13
Jeff
He calls it sludge.
00:46:14
vustudio608
he He gives him new coffee and he's like, what is sludge.
00:46:14
Jeff
And
00:46:18
Jeff
um And Agidor is not having any part of it. And he was just like, you don't like... I don't know this understand why you don't like it. And then Nathan Lane comes in. He's like, ah, Turkish coffee. Wonderful, Agidor. And he like slaps him. He's like, you see what I'm saying? Dude, that just...
00:46:36
Jeff
I know it was probably written, but it came out so natural for all three of those actors. I totally believe that it was a real thing. Like him trying something new, Robin Williams is being a jerk about it because he's stressed about the whole thing. And then Nathan Lane not knowing about the stress and just coming in and being like, oh, Turkish coffee, very nice, Agidor.
00:46:58
Jeff
Dude, i love it.
00:46:59
vustudio608
I thought you were going to say the quote that I thought from that was it like Robin Williams drinks the coffee's gah what is this sludge and Hank Azaria goes yes this sludge I thought i'd make a nice change from coffee and then Nathan Lane comes in and drinks he's like ooh Turkish coffee
00:47:10
Jeff
Oh yeah, that's
00:47:13
Jeff
Yeah, I just dude, the way that he says Turkish coffee and then he slaps him You see, I told you, like that whole, that feel Dude, I don't know, I just, that that that whole part resonated with me How well it was portrayed
00:47:21
vustudio608
yeah
00:47:28
vustudio608
My third quote is also from Nathan Lane. It's also from the very beginning of the movie. And he's frigging, he's like got his like hair all taped up and he's like wearing a fricking bra and like a silk kimono.
00:47:39
vustudio608
And he's like having a meltdown. And he's like pointing at Robin Williams. He's yelling, he's like whatever I am, he made me. I was adorable once, young and full of hope. And now look at me. I'm short, fat, insecure, middle-aged thing.
00:47:52
vustudio608
And Robin Williams immediately hits back. I made you short?
00:47:56
Jeff
but
00:47:58
vustudio608
And it frigging cracked me up.
00:48:00
Jeff
I like how Robin Williams is all about trying to appease Nathan Lane, but he also doesn't like put up with the shit. Like he'll also say some stuff. You know what I'm saying? like he fights back a little bit.
00:48:14
vustudio608
i like yeah I like how Nathan Lane's character is so dramatic that it kind of doesn't work anymore. He's like, like just, he's like, that's set him out of here.
00:48:20
Jeff
Yeah.
00:48:22
vustudio608
And Robin Williams is like,
00:48:24
Jeff
Right.
00:48:24
vustudio608
I'll go after her. He's not at all concerned that Nathan Lane's actually leaving.
00:48:28
Jeff
Right.
00:48:29
vustudio608
It's just the thing that that he does all the time.
00:48:29
Jeff
Right.
00:48:31
vustudio608
God.
00:48:31
Jeff
He took the car, he's driving home 20 miles with the emergency brake on.
00:48:39
Jeff
Ah, that's great. Yes. yes ah
00:48:43
vustudio608
best Best characters, top three characters.
00:48:45
Jeff
Wait, one more. My third one from Hank Azaria is, they're all three from Aguador.
00:48:47
vustudio608
Oh, yes, right.
00:48:51
Jeff
Dude, I just, I don't know why. um He is, um he wants to be part of the show and he wants Robin Williams to do it.
00:48:59
vustudio608
Yes.
00:49:00
Jeff
And he's like, you're afraid of my Guatemalan-ness. um Guatemalan-ness is a great word he's like you're afraid of my heat um and he's like standing really close and he's like touching him with his chest when he says it ah you're afraid of my Guatemalan-ness might be something I add to my repertoire even though I'm not Guatemalan or look Guatemalan I think I like it and I want to start saying it um that was my third one they were all Hank Azaria dude he he was so funny to me in all of these things
00:49:33
Jeff
walking around with a fistful of shrimp yeah yeah
00:49:33
vustudio608
Yeah, it's kind of a bummer, man, because there's a bunch of other really good quotes from other characters, but it's like, dude, freaking Gene Hackman, every time he gets stressed, he's asking his wife to bring him candy. That shit was cracking me up.
00:49:45
vustudio608
They're having conversations about, because his whatever... conservative senator partner like got found freaking like had a heart attack with like a black hooker and so there's a huge scandal and he's like talking about like all the other conservatives that he doesn't really want to partner with and so there's a bunch of hilarious stuff that happened elsewhere in this movie but it's so hard to stay away from nathan lane and hank azaria and robin william
00:49:56
Jeff
yeah
00:50:04
Jeff
Yeah.
00:50:07
Jeff
ah Plus the, um, the, uh, the, uh, uh, National Enquirer. Is that what it was? The Enquirer?
00:50:14
vustudio608
yeah mm-hmm yep
00:50:15
Jeff
That's who was following him. Um, that those, that guy and his cameraman, I've seen him before. Uh, has love guy.
00:50:21
vustudio608
Well, that's the guy from, ah that's the guy from um God, what's the freaking Gene Hackman movie in 98 with Will Smith? Where they're always spying on him from using the soundness and stuff.
00:50:31
Jeff
Oh yeah. Enemy of the state.
00:50:33
vustudio608
Enemy to State, he's in that.
00:50:34
Jeff
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he is.
00:50:35
vustudio608
ah
00:50:37
Jeff
Yes.
00:50:38
vustudio608
And then the other guy, because I looked at their names earlier.
00:50:38
Jeff
i
00:50:41
vustudio608
it is like So Grant Heslov is the guy from Enemy State. And then the does a bunch stuff with George Clooney.
00:50:45
Jeff
He does a lot of stuff with George Clooney, the cameraman. Yeah.
00:50:49
vustudio608
Yeah, he's written some of the movies and but he's produced like 30 things. And then the other guy Tom McGowan. um He's in like freaking Sleepless in Seattle as good as it gets.
00:50:57
Jeff
He...
00:51:01
vustudio608
um Like Modern Family Veep.
00:51:04
Jeff
i've so I've seen him.
00:51:04
vustudio608
A bunch of stuff.
00:51:05
Jeff
Oh, Veep. That's where I probably remember him from that.
00:51:07
vustudio608
He's in Captain Ron obvious one of your tops.
00:51:10
Jeff
Oh, man. Top, top, forever top. um ah What is... God, there was something I saw him in. What's the movie where the kids go um to a camp because they're super fat?
00:51:25
Jeff
Or they're not super fat, but their parents think they're fat? Hold going to look it up. I want to say it's got the... It's got...
00:51:33
vustudio608
heavyweights that was last year 95 yeah uh-huh yeah dude kenan thompson was in that movie it was freaking written by judd apatow
00:51:38
Jeff
he's He's like a dad or or a big brother or something in that.
00:51:44
Jeff
Keenan Thompson. Man, heavyweights. I gotta go back and watch it.
00:51:51
vustudio608
yeah yeah the freaking picture is just like fat kids holding up a sandwich the poster
00:51:58
Jeff
Doesn't it have a guy in it? In the sandwich?
00:52:00
vustudio608
Yes, it does.
00:52:00
Jeff
Hold on.
00:52:01
vustudio608
It does.
00:52:05
Jeff
Dude, I want to go watch this now. I forgot about heavyweights. I totally remember that guy in heavyweights.
00:52:10
vustudio608
Yeah.
00:52:11
Jeff
Oh, that's great.
00:52:12
vustudio608
Yeah, dude, that's what, like, there's a bunch of people in this movie that don't have a ton to do where you're like, I know that person. um All right, let's do let's do our top three characters.
00:52:17
Jeff
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:52:20
vustudio608
Number one for me, and it was not difficult at all, is Nathan Lane.
00:52:24
Jeff
Yeah, Albert Goldman. Coleman. cold Coldman. col colleman Coldman. Coldman.
00:52:30
vustudio608
He's absolutely brilliant.
00:52:30
Jeff
Dude, he's the engine. God, he freaking kills it.
00:52:33
vustudio608
He was hysterical. He's a closeted gay man playing a true drag queen who has to pretend to be straight like it's the nuance is wild.
00:52:35
Jeff
i Yeah, it's very meta.
00:52:42
vustudio608
And he did such an incredible job being like a very flamboyant, very dramatic drag queen and then also like a pretending to be straight guy. i just
00:52:52
Jeff
But isn't like the thing for me for Nathan Lane is he can be wounded and vain and needy and over the overly theatrical, but still be completely lovable. Like was like, that's ah both of our first characters we put down. Like,
00:53:12
Jeff
I know, like, i don't know. He just, he made all of the the stuff that he was doing feel real. And that's weird for me to say about a comedy, I know. But like, dude, he killed it.
00:53:26
Jeff
This was great for me.
00:53:28
vustudio608
He's an incredible actor, man. It feels like it's it's weird to say that he doesn't get the respect that he deserves because he's got three Tony Awards, a Laurence Olivier Award, three Emmy Awards, a SAG Award.
00:53:39
vustudio608
He's got a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. He's in the American Theater.
00:53:41
Jeff
Yeah.
00:53:42
vustudio608
ah ah But it feels like he's not... He still does not is not as recognized as he should be.
00:53:48
Jeff
Right, right.
00:53:49
vustudio608
he But he's incredible. he's He's an incredible actor.
00:53:52
Jeff
Yeah.
00:53:53
vustudio608
He's fucking hilarious. like i watched I watched him talk on Colbert like a couple years ago. and colber Just because Colbert asked him something about this movie, the Gene Hackman thing.
00:54:04
vustudio608
But the whole interview...
00:54:04
Jeff
Yeah.
00:54:06
vustudio608
It was like stand-up comedy, the shit that he was saying.
00:54:09
Jeff
Yeah.
00:54:09
vustudio608
ah ah He's just so...
00:54:10
Jeff
Just...
00:54:11
vustudio608
Because Colbert was like, you know, since the last time you've been on, he's like, Trump is back in office. What? Like... And dude, then he Nathan Lane does like a two-minute monologue about the Trump-Kennedy Center.
00:54:22
vustudio608
He's like, he just couldn't keep his tiny little hands off of it. would have thought that Trump could do more damage to the Kennedy name than RFK Jr.? He's like, I hear they're going to put up a a revival of the Sound of Music from the Nazis' point of view.
00:54:33
vustudio608
You don't even want to hear what their favorite things are. He went for like two minutes.
00:54:35
Jeff
ah
00:54:36
vustudio608
I was fucking rolling.
00:54:40
Jeff
ah that's freaking great
00:54:41
vustudio608
It was was incredible. And I was God, Nathan Lane is brilliant. just
00:54:47
Jeff
here he really is what um Wait, was that him? No. Who was on... ah What's the movie with the Matthew Perry where he's clicking the pin?
00:54:57
vustudio608
No, that's not him.
00:54:58
Jeff
That's not... No, that's not...
00:54:58
vustudio608
That's Oliver something.
00:54:59
Jeff
that's ah yeah. Oliver Plath? Oliver Plath.
00:55:02
vustudio608
Oliver Blath.
00:55:03
Jeff
Yeah.
00:55:04
vustudio608
I know.
00:55:04
Jeff
Dude, Nathan Lane, he freaking... He killed it. His his portrayal in this movie is so funny.
00:55:16
Jeff
If you haven't watched this, that's the whole reason to watch it as far as I'm concerned.
00:55:21
vustudio608
Yeah, I mean, everybody's everybody's doing some incredible stuff, but Nathan Lane is like, he he's he's worth the price of admission. He's incredible.
00:55:29
Jeff
Yeah, for sure. Absolutely.
00:55:30
vustudio608
um Who's your next character?
00:55:32
Jeff
So who's your, well, so I put Spartacus Agador Spartacus, dude, he is just a freaking chaos agent. um
00:55:46
Jeff
I know it's problematic now.
00:55:49
Jeff
comedia comedically devastating ah at the time for me. I was just, I brought myself back to 96 and realized how funny this guy actually is. And dude, I can't, if you're not going to watch it for Nathan Lane, you're watching it for Agador Thbauticeth, played by Hank Azaria, who is also a really, really great actor and has no problem showing off his body, apparently.
00:56:20
Jeff
um
00:56:20
vustudio608
Yeah, dude. he I mean, I love Hank Azaria. That goes without saying. I didn't put this character in there just because it's by far the most stereotypical performance in the movie, and it it ages the worst.
00:56:25
Jeff
Yeah.
00:56:29
Jeff
Yeah.
00:56:31
vustudio608
ah
00:56:31
Jeff
Right.
00:56:32
vustudio608
He's great. And he said, like, he's like, hey, I worked up a couple different versions of Aguador Spartacus, and one was just, like, not really gay at all. He was just like ah like it just, like, a street tough who just happened to be gay.
00:56:43
Jeff
Yeah.
00:56:44
vustudio608
He's like, and and they wanted me to do this kind of more flamboyant version. He's like, both of them felt very real to me. I'm sure in 96, that was like spot on.
00:56:52
Jeff
Right.
00:56:52
vustudio608
ah But that one, that age is the that'st my worst. Like it ages the worst. He's great. And it is freaking hilarious. But you do have to go like, you wouldn't do that now. You wouldn't have a straight guy being that flamboyantly, stereotypically gay.
00:57:01
Jeff
Yeah.
00:57:04
Jeff
You, yeah, you, I was going say you'd have to either, either have, um, like just accent comedy and like ethnicity as the bit, um,
00:57:18
Jeff
I don't know. And the queer coding or whatever you want to call it through for straight mainstream audiences is not going to work.
00:57:25
vustudio608
Dude, you could have Billy Eichner play that part because he actually is gay and he's just that flamboyant.
00:57:27
Jeff
Right. Right.
00:57:29
vustudio608
But it's not mocking because he's part he is that is he's part of that group.
00:57:30
Jeff
Right.
00:57:33
Jeff
Because he is that he is that guy. Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:35
vustudio608
um But yeah, man, for sure. My second character is Robin Williams, who I thought was like incredibly understated in it, which I know is cannot be easy for him.
00:57:41
Jeff
Who's not.
00:57:48
Jeff
um Yeah, he plays the straight man in both senses in this one. um he's my He's my third person, dude. He's a freaking...
00:58:00
Jeff
I don't know. Like I, his emotional part of it emotionally, it works. He's a comedic force throughout the whole dinner scene where he's trying to keep everything together.
00:58:11
Jeff
um i don't know what's not to like about him. It's wicked sad that he's dead. That's all I'm saying.
00:58:18
vustudio608
Super, super duper. He, I mean, i was looking at it. I'm like, he he he wins the the Oscar next year in 97 for Good Will Hunting.
00:58:29
vustudio608
So it's not like this is his best acting job ever.
00:58:29
Jeff
Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:31
vustudio608
But I like, and you look at some of his stuff where it is more, so where where there are emotional turns like Dead Poets Society and like,
00:58:37
Jeff
right
00:58:37
vustudio608
You mean like Good Morning Vietnam and stuff like that? Like it's not all like Popeye and Toys and Jumanji and whatever, Patch Adams.
00:58:40
Jeff
Yeah.
00:58:44
vustudio608
um Like he does a bunch of those broad comedies, but like I do. And we talk about all the time and we're not the only ones, but like comedy is not really appreciated by award shows.
00:58:54
vustudio608
But you can't tell me someone else deserved a best actor in 1992 more than he did for playing the genie in Aladdin.
00:58:54
Jeff
It's really not.
00:59:00
Jeff
Yeah, dude. i'm um'm I'm with you. It's...
00:59:05
Jeff
he's he's He's fantastic. and And his stand-up, while it's good, that's not my so favorite style of stand-up where it's just...
00:59:13
vustudio608
No, no, just like machine gun punchlines.
00:59:13
Jeff
Everything gone a thousand miles an hour. Right.
00:59:17
vustudio608
This is not my, it's not my jam.
00:59:17
Jeff
ah And in the same vein, it's like when we used to talk about, now I don't want to get off on a rant here, but what's that guy's name?
00:59:26
vustudio608
Yeah, Dennis Miller.
00:59:28
Jeff
Miller, Dennis Miller. Like his stuff where you have to like, I don't know any of the references he just said.
00:59:33
vustudio608
Yeah. You need you need an encyclopedia.
00:59:35
Jeff
ah Yeah.
00:59:36
vustudio608
What does Kafka ask?
00:59:36
Jeff
You got to like look up stuff.
00:59:37
vustudio608
Who who is that?
00:59:38
Jeff
Yeah. Like, i don't want to get off on Iran here, but Joseph Mengele's briefcase had way, I'm like, what the hell? I'll write that down. Somebody Google this. um
00:59:47
vustudio608
Yeah. Yeah.
00:59:48
Jeff
Like for, for me, when he's doing standup, that's the whole thing. Like he's throwing out pop culture references that none, even if my students were the same age as me, they're not getting any, like, dude, my students have never seen like back to the future.
01:00:04
Jeff
Like, how do they get pop culture references that people like Robin Williams throw out if you don't ever watch any of that stuff? You know what saying? Like, I don't know. That's not my kind of thing, but man, he's so good at all the things.
01:00:18
Jeff
It's just.
01:00:19
vustudio608
Yeah, I don't I never think of Robin Williams as a stand up.
01:00:20
Jeff
Yeah.
01:00:21
vustudio608
I think of him mainly as a comedic actor. But I what I'm realizing is that I should really like think of him as like just an incredible actor.
01:00:29
Jeff
Yeah.
01:00:29
vustudio608
Like I don't think of Tom Cruise. I don't think of Tom Hanks as a comedic actor. I just think of as an amazing actor.
01:00:32
Jeff
Right.
01:00:33
vustudio608
I should think of Robin Williams the same way.
01:00:33
Jeff
But he is... Yeah. Tom Hanks is friggin' funny too, though.
01:00:37
vustudio608
ah key I mean, he Robin Williams hasn't had the like longevity, ah like both because you know he committed suicide 10 years ago.
01:00:44
Jeff
Right. Yeah.
01:00:45
vustudio608
He didn't get to do a bunch of Spielberg movies, but like he showed us that he was completely capable of doing that. Same way as like Adam Sandler will do like the freaking uncut gems and stuff like that, the Safdie brothers.
01:00:52
Jeff
He
01:00:56
Jeff
Yeah.
01:00:56
vustudio608
It's not funny at all. It's like, dude, this guy can act.
01:00:59
Jeff
Right.
01:00:59
vustudio608
Robin Williams absolutely can do that.
01:00:59
Jeff
Right. Yeah.
Robin Williams' Kindness
01:01:02
Jeff
Killed it.
01:01:02
vustudio608
Also, one of my favorite stories from this movie is they're doing they're doing press, and Nathan Lane said, he's like, I wasn't out at the time. He's like, I was out to my family, and I'd been doing theater in New York for 20 years. like Everyone knew who knew me knew I was gay, but there wasn't like social media.
01:01:14
Jeff
Yeah.
01:01:16
vustudio608
and This movie was like the highest profile thing I'd ever done, and I was telling my publicist, like I don't know if I want to... come out on the press tour. I don't, I just don't want to talk about it. i just don't want that to be part of the story.
01:01:27
vustudio608
I just want it to be about the work.
01:01:28
Jeff
Right.
01:01:29
vustudio608
And then he and Robin Williams, like kind of famously go on Oprah and she like just is trying to out him.
01:01:33
Jeff
Oprah. Yeah, saw this.
01:01:35
vustudio608
And she's like, aren't you worried that you're going get typecast?
01:01:35
Jeff
Yeah.
01:01:37
vustudio608
And Robin Williams just like jumps in because Nathan Lane told Robin Williams, like, I just don't want, he's like, I'm already terrified of meeting Oprah. I don't want to like have it be about my sexuality.
01:01:44
Jeff
Right. Yeah.
01:01:46
vustudio608
And Robin Williams interrupts Oprah and just like starts doing a bit and making fun of her and just like completely derails the entire interview. And Nathan Lane said, like pretty recently, he's like, he's like, he's like dude, he just protected me.
01:01:53
Jeff
So great. I watched it. Dude, it's on YouTube.
01:01:57
vustudio608
He's like, this was that kind of person.
01:01:58
Jeff
Yeah.
01:01:59
vustudio608
He knew I didn't want that out there. I didn't want that to be a part of the story or part of the promotional tour. And he jumped in and just derailed the whole thing and like protected me because he was a beautiful human.
01:02:08
Jeff
If anybody can derail an entire interview with even somebody like Oprah, it's Robin Williams.
01:02:13
vustudio608
yeah
01:02:17
vustudio608
Well, there's so many stories ah like that about Robin Williams.
01:02:17
Jeff
Dude.
01:02:20
vustudio608
Dude, Robin Williams is like Christopher Reeves got paralyzed. He was in the hospital and Robin Williams showed up and just started doing bits because they were a Juilliard together. and And Christopher Reeves was just like, he just came in my room without any explanation and just started doing bits and just started cracking me up.
01:02:28
Jeff
That's great.
01:02:37
vustudio608
And like, there's you know, there's stories like, remember freaking Coco, the gorilla that like knew all the sign language?
01:02:38
Jeff
Ah.
01:02:41
Jeff
Yeah, yeah.
01:02:41
vustudio608
Like there was a, there was one point in time in the 90s where the scientists were like, Coco's sad. and We're not sure why. And Robin Williams freaking showed up with Coco.
01:02:54
Jeff
It's because they have the same chest hair and freaking arms.
01:03:02
Jeff
What happened?
01:03:21
Jeff
What happened?
01:03:23
vustudio608
Yeah,
01:03:26
Jeff
ah Dude, I didn't know that about Coco. I can't wait to go look that up.
01:03:29
vustudio608
yeah dude. like I remember that story. i was God, Robin Williams is awesome.
01:03:34
Jeff
but Yeah, way good. um
01:03:36
vustudio608
He's my second. Who's your third character?
01:03:39
Jeff
um No, that's that's the three. i have Agidor, Albert, and Armand. ah The three A's.
01:03:46
vustudio608
I get Gene Hackman.
01:03:46
Jeff
I did...
01:03:47
vustudio608
Gene Hackman is my favorite.
01:03:47
Jeff
Yeah, i wanted to put... I wrote them down like... he's he's He's awesome. Like, all of these guys are... They're so good.
01:03:59
Jeff
Like all of them are good. Even his wife, ah Diane Weist um from, what did i remember her from?
01:04:04
vustudio608
Diane Weiss.
01:04:08
vustudio608
From freaking Footloose and from Edward Scissorhands and from Practical Magic and a million things.
01:04:09
Jeff
Scissorhands. Edward Scissorhands. Dude, so good. So good. Also, by the way, real fast, I know you you're going to tell me about Gene Hackman.
01:04:21
Jeff
Before I forget, the wife, or the no, Val's real mom, Baranski.
01:04:26
vustudio608
Yeah, yeah. Christine Baranski.
01:04:29
Jeff
I don't know why. I know it's not the same person.
01:04:35
vustudio608
Oh,
01:04:35
Jeff
Who is RFK Jr. married to? um
01:04:38
vustudio608
oh yeah, I know who you're talking about.
01:04:38
Jeff
Hines. Cheryl Hines.
01:04:39
vustudio608
Yeah, Cheryl Hines.
01:04:41
Jeff
I don't know why I get them confused.
01:04:44
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:04:44
Jeff
I mean, they kind of both look...
01:04:45
vustudio608
I can see it.
01:04:47
Jeff
Like, i don't I don't know why, but the whole time I'm like, oh, of course she would run out on her. She would give up her son for 20 years. She's married to our... Oh, wait a second. No, wait, that's not her.
01:04:57
vustudio608
No. Different person.
01:04:58
Jeff
That's not her. That's not her at all. um Yeah.
01:05:02
vustudio608
Also in Life with Mikey, by the way.
01:05:04
Jeff
Was she? Why was she in that?
01:05:05
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:05:06
Jeff
Damn, I forgot about that.
01:05:07
vustudio608
It says Carol. don't know who that is.
01:05:10
Jeff
I don't remember. She was probably one of the moms. Yes.
01:05:13
vustudio608
Yeah, I remember from Cruel Intentions.
01:05:15
Jeff
Yes.
01:05:17
Jeff
Yes, dude.
01:05:17
vustudio608
She's been in million things. she's been in a million things
01:05:20
Jeff
There's a movie with, uh, what's the movie where, um, uh, Dennis Leary. Oh crap. He's like a burglar. Uh, she's in that. I don't remember what it's called. I used to like that movie.
01:05:35
Jeff
It's got the other guy who touched it.
01:05:35
vustudio608
She's in Bullworth.
01:05:37
Jeff
Who's the guy who touches kids and now can't, now can't make movies, but he was really good in the, uh, Spacey. It's got Kevin Spacey and and, uh, and ah
01:05:47
vustudio608
Dennis Leary, Kevin Spacey, The Ref, 1994.
01:05:48
Jeff
Dennis Leary, the ref.
01:05:51
vustudio608
We talked about doing it. It's a Ted Demme movie. But yeah, just 94, man. It's jam-packed.
01:05:58
Jeff
Yeah, I hope we get to do Cruel Intentions. such That was crazy.
01:06:02
vustudio608
Yeah, we're definitely doing that, Cruel Intentions, when the when the time comes, 99 or whatever. um Yeah, man, Gene Hackman, where I feel, I would have thought that we, like, if you're doing a podcast about the 90s, that you would maybe be kind of not talking about Gene Hackman that much.
Gene Hackman's Career
01:06:16
vustudio608
He's doing a million movies, freaking The Firm and White Earp and Crimson Tide and Quicken the Dead and Get Shorty and Birdcage and Ants and Enemy the State and Royal Tenenbaums.
01:06:16
Jeff
Right. Yeah, he's
01:06:25
Jeff
he's...
01:06:25
vustudio608
He's still going strong, dude.
01:06:26
Jeff
Yeah, he is.
01:06:28
vustudio608
And God, be so freaking good.
01:06:28
Jeff
He is.
01:06:32
Jeff
He is. Dude, he was great in Get Shorty. I'm so glad we did that.
01:06:37
vustudio608
Get Shorty was ah was a delight last year from 95.
01:06:37
Jeff
That was... That was so good. That was so good.
01:06:42
vustudio608
If anybody wants to go back and has not heard that, I highly recommend it.
01:06:44
Jeff
Yeah. Yeah.
01:06:45
vustudio608
But yeah, man, i Crimson Tide, we did not quite get to.
01:06:45
Jeff
We didn't do, what was this? Crimson Tide we skipped over too. I like that one.
01:06:51
vustudio608
Yeah, please I mean, some people just like just never miss. like Even Unforgiven, which everyone loves, and I thought was meh.
01:06:56
Jeff
Right.
01:06:59
vustudio608
Gene Hackman was fucking great.
01:07:01
Jeff
Right. Yeah.
01:07:03
vustudio608
like That dude just shows up to work and is awesome.
01:07:06
Jeff
Wait, he was in Unforgiven?
01:07:09
vustudio608
He won the fucking Oscar.
01:07:10
Jeff
Oh yeah, Unforgiven. You know what i was thinking of?
01:07:12
vustudio608
He was the...
01:07:13
Jeff
is though no i was What's the one with Sharon Stone?
01:07:16
vustudio608
Yeah, Quicken the Dead. He's in that too.
01:07:18
Jeff
Quick and the Dead. Yeah.
01:07:19
vustudio608
He's in that too.
01:07:20
Jeff
Oh wait, is he?
01:07:21
vustudio608
He's the, like, mayor of the town.
01:07:22
Jeff
Oh yeah, that's right.
01:07:24
vustudio608
ah Yeah.
01:07:24
Jeff
He's in both. God, Gene Hyman's good.
01:07:27
vustudio608
That's what I'm saying, man. Yeah.
01:07:29
Jeff
Damn. That sucks. um
01:07:32
vustudio608
Um... Writer, director, ah writer Elaine May, the director, Mike Nichols.
01:07:33
Jeff
Sucks he's gone too. Yeah.
01:07:36
vustudio608
They're a comedy duo from the 50s and 60s. And like people, people as iconic as like Steve Martin and Woody Allen and Seinfeld and even people like John Mulaney cite them as like, when I was younger, this was the main comedy album that I listened to.
Elaine May and Mike Nichols
01:07:49
Jeff
Right.
01:07:49
vustudio608
Like these guys were brilliant.
01:07:49
Jeff
I was going to say, dude, when you look up their stuff, I was looking at some of their stuff up on YouTube to try to see if I could find it.
01:07:55
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:07:56
Jeff
um It's just a bunch of like albums, like actual like comedy albums, like old school comedy albums, like late fifties.
01:08:01
vustudio608
Mm-hmm.
01:08:03
vustudio608
Yep.
01:08:05
Jeff
There was one that was like, in right right, right, right, right.
01:08:06
vustudio608
Yeah, like Abbott and Costello type albums.
01:08:09
Jeff
It's a, it was good. It was some of it's good. There's one that's, um, Something to music. And it was just them just going to town improv and over the top of stuff. It was great.
01:08:20
Jeff
It was great.
01:08:21
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:08:22
Jeff
um That's what you, when you go look that stuff up, that's what they got. um They did, they did a really great job at putting this together, even taking it from what they took it from the play and the other movie in the seventies.
01:08:36
Jeff
I thought they did good.
01:08:36
vustudio608
Yeah. Yeah. Worst you any worst.
01:08:41
Jeff
Only that Agidor can't be ah thing anymore. um
01:08:45
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:08:45
Jeff
You got to read.
01:08:45
vustudio608
Unless he's played by a flamboyant gay person who's actually gay
01:08:47
Jeff
Right. Yeah. And dude, I'd like to mention again, Azari himself has said that same way.
01:08:54
vustudio608
yeah
01:08:54
Jeff
He said it with the poo when he stopped doing a poo.
01:08:58
vustudio608
Well, the I mean, there was criticism in the 90s from some critics where it's like like the New York Times film critic said the film reinforces stereotypes that homosexuals are marginal, superficial creatures with disposable income and relationships that aren't as solid as heterosexual marriage.
01:09:04
Jeff
Yeah.
01:09:12
vustudio608
And like they said that when the movie came out in the New York Times.
01:09:16
Jeff
Right.
01:09:16
vustudio608
But also the film got a GLAAD award. So like not everyone felt that way, clearly.
01:09:18
Jeff
Yeah. Right.
01:09:19
vustudio608
And they even steve said that like this this represented a turning point for LGBTQ people.
01:09:20
Jeff
Yeah. Yeah.
01:09:26
vustudio608
um Like kind of similarly to like to Wong Fu, where it's like just kind of centering, you know, LGBTQ people is like, hey, there's there there are other lifestyles here that you maybe have not seen as much in media representation.
01:09:29
Jeff
Right. Made drag OK.
01:09:41
vustudio608
And like, that's still a good idea to do that.
01:09:41
Jeff
Right.
01:09:43
Jeff
some people Some people where I live don't like that still. um They don't want to see other people represented because it makes it feel like it's...
01:09:48
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:09:51
vustudio608
I know it's unfortunate that they force you to watch the movie before you, oh no, no that's prayer. Yeah.
01:09:56
Jeff
No. they don't This is the thing, though. They don't want those people represented because they don't know it. and i don't it feel They feel like it's taking away from them being represented, and it's really not. it just I don't get why that's a thing. It's so...
01:10:12
Jeff
Like ah to watch people in the crowd during the drag show in the beginning and in the end,
Societal Critique
01:10:18
Jeff
and people are just like nodding their head and laughing.
01:10:18
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:10:20
Jeff
And like, again, I've only been to two drag shows in my entire life.
01:10:25
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:10:25
Jeff
And one was the history thing that I went to, which again was hilarious.
01:10:28
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:10:30
Jeff
Like I, dude, I thought it was hilarious.
01:10:30
vustudio608
There's a bunch in Nashville. They're supposed to be great.
01:10:35
Jeff
And like, I didn't think of it as like, oh snap, I'm going to a drag show. This is going to be, it's gonna be groundbreaking. I just thought of it as going to a show. Like it's just something different. i I don't know why people are like they are. It makes me upset.
01:10:49
vustudio608
it's It's honestly very confusing to me because it's like, I don't like that.
01:10:49
Jeff
um
01:10:53
vustudio608
It's like, all right, well, don't participate in that. Don't give it any money.
01:10:56
Jeff
Yeah, no, no, they can't.
01:10:56
vustudio608
Don't give it any attention. But like, I don't like.
01:10:58
Jeff
They got to make sure you don't participate in it too.
01:10:59
vustudio608
I
01:11:00
Jeff
It's starting to make me upset. Um,
01:11:02
vustudio608
like it's it's, they're like, it's going to mess up the kids. it's like, dude, if if someone's doing damage to kids, it's typically like priests and like politicians. Like it's not drags.
01:11:11
Jeff
Trust me, I was an altar boy.
01:11:11
vustudio608
Drag queens are not.
01:11:13
Jeff
And the answer was no, I wasn't.
01:11:14
vustudio608
Yeah. No, no, I wasn't.
01:11:15
Jeff
But I think that's because they knew I was a talker.
01:11:18
vustudio608
Um.
01:11:18
Jeff
And they were like, oh, if he's that bad at blowing on candles, then I think freaking Birbigles.
01:11:21
vustudio608
Yeah. We're just going to move them to a parish where there's less hot kids. ah
01:11:27
Jeff
Fresh meat. Freaking David Cross. What a man. ah Yeah, dude, that's the only thing I had was um the Agador, you know, accent, comedy, ethnicity is a bit is what I wrote down.
01:11:33
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:11:38
vustudio608
Yeah. Old tech that I did capture one thing that fricking real mom is like driving in the car. Uh, and she's got the like scarf tied around her head. She's calling from the car phone. And then she hangs up and, uh, and the son tells Robin Williams, it's right, she's on her way.
01:11:53
vustudio608
He's like, she, we got to tell her not to come. He's like, well, we can't tell her not to come. She's in the car. It's like, you just got done talking to her. Car phones went, or like, dude, back in the day, when you got done talking on the car phone, you shut that bitch down.
01:11:58
Jeff
Yeah, just, just call it.
01:12:03
vustudio608
Cause she only had like 40 minutes a year. It's like,
01:12:06
Jeff
Don't call me back. Don't call me back.
01:12:08
vustudio608
Yes, he hung up the phone and was like, we can't talk to her again. She's in the car. It's like, oh, my God.
01:12:13
Jeff
ah do Do you think the um like the whole scandal, political scandal being the the plot point that causes this all to happen? Do you think that's as bad as it is now?
01:12:26
Jeff
Like I don't I guess we'll talk about it when we talk about the five questions, but I put that down as old tech too because I don't think a political scandal like that causes a whole mix up.
01:12:35
vustudio608
Well. I don't know, man. Like, I feel like ever since the first Trump presidency, like the scandals happen so often, they've just like desensitized you.
01:12:46
vustudio608
It's hard to even pay attention. It's like, he did what now? It's like, that seems right. Like you can't, like before that, it was like, Obama wore tan suit.
01:12:50
Jeff
Yeah.
01:12:52
vustudio608
Where do we march? And it's like, it's like, oh, Trump's bombed a school.
01:12:54
Jeff
Right.
01:12:57
vustudio608
It's like, that sounds right. What should we get for breakfast? Like, I don't, like, I just think we've all been so desensitized to the of sheer volume of scandals that come out.
01:13:00
Jeff
Yeah.
01:13:05
vustudio608
So I'm sure you probably would seen something different.
01:13:05
Jeff
Right. And that's what I'm saying. Like, I don't, it to me, it just doesn't seem like this would be the plot point moving forward for the, if you remade it.
01:13:12
vustudio608
Well, it may not be the like, it may not be the scandal, but it could totally be the conservative politician that's like up for reelection, you know what i mean?
01:13:18
Jeff
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:13:20
vustudio608
Like, that's, I was, I couldn't believe how well this movie's plot would work entirely if you dropped it into 2026, even though you don't have to be afraid if you know gay people, but you kind of do if you're a conservative politician.
01:13:27
Jeff
Yeah, except for the cell phone.
01:13:32
Jeff
Yeah. Can you call people back on the car phone?
01:13:37
vustudio608
The car dude, if you say car phone, no one's even to know what you're talking about. Do you mean my rectangle that has all the world's knowledge? You
01:13:43
Jeff
I'm going to say car phone from here on out when I talk to my students just until they say something.
01:13:48
vustudio608
just tell your family like, hey, I'm going to the store.
01:13:48
Jeff
Wait.
01:13:49
vustudio608
If you guys need anything, call me on the car phone.
01:13:52
Jeff
This is what i want you to do real fast, just so you can make me feel better about my life. Can you mime you talking on the phone real quick? Just mime it with your hand. Okay, yeah that's it's that's perfect.
01:14:02
vustudio608
I'll do that one.
01:14:02
Jeff
Because the kid did that the other day, and he was like, yeah.
01:14:03
vustudio608
and do the pinky and the thumb.
01:14:05
Jeff
And I'm like calling my mom, and I'm talking to her. i was like, what do you are you? a Secret Service person?
01:14:11
vustudio608
Is that Steph Curry you're going to sleep?
01:14:11
Jeff
Are you talking into your wrist? No, dude, I was just like, he was like, what do you want me So then he went like this and was holding the cell phone in his little Lego hand claw.
01:14:23
Jeff
And I was like, that's not right either. i was like, dude, you gotta fix that. Fix that. um
01:14:31
vustudio608
Yeah, do that.
01:14:31
Jeff
Yeah. So you want to five questions?
01:14:33
vustudio608
Well, it's a hold on. That reminds me. It's like the, I got an Apple watch and it has like a walkie talkie feature built into it where if other people are on the Apple watch, you can just talk into your wrist.
01:14:34
Jeff
Oh.
01:14:41
Jeff
You can walkie and talkie?
01:14:41
vustudio608
And I was like, and you can walk in talking. And when I mime talking into my wrist, what movie did I tell people I was imitating?
01:14:49
Jeff
Dick Tracy.
01:14:50
vustudio608
Dick Tracy, a thousand percent. That's not what everyone thinks you're doing. They're like, Oh yeah, that's from like spy kids or whatever. you talking about Spy kids like Dick Tracy motherfuckers.
01:15:01
Jeff
ah Spy kids. What the hell?
01:15:04
vustudio608
or whatever, the fu but it was some movie from like 15 years ago, and I was like, Dick Tracy, A-holes.
01:15:07
Jeff
No, it's Dick Tracy. ah Oh, yes.
01:15:15
vustudio608
All five questions. Is it okay for kids?
01:15:17
Jeff
God, missed Tracy. Dude, I would say 13. My kid's pretty mature, so I would say he would get a lot of these references and get it.
01:15:23
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:15:26
Jeff
It's R, but it's not like brutality or anything like that.
01:15:30
vustudio608
Yeah. I don't even, um don't know why there's,
01:15:30
Jeff
It's like a little bit of sexual humor.
01:15:33
vustudio608
I was gonna say I don't even know why it's ours is it just because it's a drag show because I don't think in 2026 it would be our.
01:15:34
Jeff
That's...
01:15:38
Jeff
I think... I think it's dragging like queer humor, but I think also um they say the F word more than once other than just F the shrimp when he falls.
01:15:48
vustudio608
Yeah, yeah yeah yeah fair.
01:15:49
Jeff
I think that's maybe why I got an R. But yeah, i dude I'd say 1315 somewhere up in there would they would like this movie still.
01:15:57
vustudio608
Yeah. and Would this movie get made if it were pitched now?
Modern Relevance
01:16:00
vustudio608
I mean, to me, it seems like I was, I couldn't believe how topically relevant this movie was.
01:16:05
Jeff
Yeah.
01:16:06
vustudio608
You'd probably would change a couple little things, but like, I'm sure, I'm sure that would be like, it would be trans people instead of just regular gay people doing drag shows.
01:16:08
Jeff
Yeah, you could be more sensitive to the Agidor character, like that characterization.
01:16:15
Jeff
Right, right.
01:16:16
vustudio608
Cause, but like you, it's, it kind of drops right into where we are now, including the fashion.
01:16:20
Jeff
Yeah.
01:16:21
vustudio608
It's the exact same baggy pants, mustaches, like we're there.
01:16:27
Jeff
Oh, man, I want to try that.
01:16:28
vustudio608
I'm waiting for goatees to come around because I still can't do just a mustache.
01:16:32
Jeff
i Dude, I don't want... We all know how my mustache grows. There's something in the middle.
01:16:36
vustudio608
Yeah. Yeah, the anti-Hitler.
01:16:38
Jeff
I can make out with Hitler and our mustaches wouldn't touch. um So this has got to be a movie, though, right? you can't You can't...
01:16:44
vustudio608
Oh, yeah.
01:16:46
Jeff
The whole pressure cooker premise where everybody's like... You could maybe stretch it to a miniseries, but I think this has got to be a movie. I don't think...
01:16:55
vustudio608
No, man. I don't know why you would even do it
01:16:57
Jeff
No, no. Movie.
01:16:57
vustudio608
This is great.
01:16:57
Jeff
the Movie is the way. Yeah. Did you recast?
01:17:02
vustudio608
I didn't do any recasting. like this thing is This thing is led by absolute icons.
01:17:05
Jeff
I did.
01:17:08
vustudio608
I'm like, dude, i don't there's no Gene Hackmans walking around.
01:17:09
Jeff
Yeah.
01:17:11
vustudio608
There's no Robin Williams.
01:17:11
Jeff
No, there is. I didn't, I didn't read.
01:17:12
vustudio608
There's no Nathan Laynes.
01:17:13
Jeff
I only did. No, I only did Albert and Armand for Armand.
01:17:16
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:17:18
Jeff
I want Jonathan Groff. do you know who I'm talking about? He's a, he's a King on Hamilton.
01:17:21
vustudio608
oh yeah. Yeah.
01:17:23
Jeff
And he's like, he's in a new musical where he plays Bobby Darren. He is. He's fantastic. He's on frozen. He's the Sven.
01:17:33
vustudio608
Yeah, dude. He's great.
01:17:35
Jeff
um He's great. And I want him as Armand because I think he could play it straight. No pun intended. And then for Albert, I want Billy Porter. ah Do you know who Billy Porter is?
01:17:47
vustudio608
I do you know who Billy Porter is.
01:17:48
Jeff
ah Billy Porter is way...
01:17:50
vustudio608
I haven't seen that much stuff that he's done. I've seen him like on social media, but I haven't seen a lot of his... like Looking through his movies, i haven't seen...
01:17:56
Jeff
So there is a Cinderella remake that he did that CeCe watches all the time.
01:18:01
vustudio608
Yeah. Yeah, Camilla
01:18:03
Jeff
And it's got... The singer, what's her in Havana, whatever the hell the name of that movie is. um
01:18:11
vustudio608
yeah camila cabello
01:18:11
Jeff
what Cabela. Yeah. um Dude, he's freaking great. He's really great in that. and That's who I want to do that. And then I was thinking, I didn't, I guess I did redo Senator Keighley because I put Mark Ruffalo ah because he seems like, even though he's playing that everybody knows he's friendly and it wouldn't be It would be an actor, an actor that um is playing against the type of person he actually is.
01:18:41
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:18:42
Jeff
So I think that that's who I went for that.
01:18:43
vustudio608
Yeah. Let's get in the juices flowing. You talking about who you're casting, because I would like to cast the senator as Rosie O'Donnell. And I want and i want the senator to be a part of a gay couple. And I want the and i want the Armand, Robin Williams and Nathan Laynes to be like trans drag people. And then it's gay people mad at trans people. And that way it's like not as, it just it's just even weirder and even more fun.
01:19:06
Jeff
yeah I was going to say, everybody can get on board because everybody's mad at everybody now. um
01:19:12
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:19:14
Jeff
Yeah, dude, I'm telling you, Jonathan Groff, he's fantastic. There's nothing i wouldn't like him in. And Billy Porter. Oh, no, he's
01:19:25
vustudio608
Rosie O'Donnell and Jane Lynch as the lesbian couple, where Rosie O'Donnell is a senator. Imagine how hilarious that would be.
01:19:33
Jeff
I like me some Jane Lynch. um
01:19:35
vustudio608
Yeah. think we're onto something.
01:19:37
Jeff
I just thought of something for the wife. i Do you know who Allison Janney is?
01:19:41
vustudio608
Yeah, of course I do.
01:19:43
Jeff
I really, i think she would be a good wife with Mark Ruffalo. ah
01:19:47
vustudio608
Dude, she's great.
01:19:49
Jeff
She really is great. She, I think she could do that. I'm always smiling. um
01:19:56
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:19:56
Jeff
I pick her. I pick her.
01:19:58
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:19:59
Jeff
So number five, can you still watch and enjoy this?
01:20:02
vustudio608
Dude, it's incredible. like i've kind I feel like I didn't want to ask any of my gay friends before I watched it because I was like, oh, because I'm gay. But now that I have seen it i want to be like, dude, do you guys get together and secretly watch this? Because you should if you don't because it's absolutely fucking incredible.
01:20:16
Jeff
i Yeah.
01:20:17
vustudio608
If you guys have like a gay only movie night, please invite me because this movie should be one that we watch.
01:20:17
Jeff
I, I,
01:20:21
Jeff
this is the one you're watching.
01:20:21
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:20:22
Jeff
Yeah. um
01:20:23
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:20:25
Jeff
Yeah. Dude, you can definitely rewatch it. Somebody who hasn't seen it should definitely watch it.
01:20:30
vustudio608
Yeah, it's streaming a bunch of places I didn't see it like on any of the major sites without renting it but to be in Pluto and whatever the hell is places are or you can rent it.
01:20:30
Jeff
Um,
01:20:36
Jeff
Yeah, dude, by the way, Tubi has it, and I pulled it up because I was at school before I got home to get to the DVD. ah ah Tubi has it, and the commercial breaks weren't bad.
01:20:44
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:20:48
Jeff
I mean, I only watched the first, like, 30 minutes at work, but, like...
01:20:50
vustudio608
Yeah.
01:20:52
Jeff
in that 30 minutes, there was only one commercial break and it was for like 30
Streaming Availability
01:20:55
Jeff
seconds.
01:20:56
vustudio608
Yeah, that's not bad.
01:20:56
Jeff
And it was a pretty clear, like 1080p copy. Like it was to might be the jam. I mean, I ain't trying to do it all the time, but like in a pinch to be worked out.
01:21:08
Jeff
kind of liked it.
01:21:08
vustudio608
Yeah, I'm not opposed. I was like changing our T-Mobile plan, and they were like, oh, you know, you get Netflix for this. it was like, I get Netflix for this? They're like, yeah, with ads. it was like, give me any crab juice.
01:21:17
Jeff
What?
01:21:18
vustudio608
Fucking Netflix with ads What are you talking about?
01:21:18
Jeff
Yeah.
01:21:20
Jeff
Yeah, nobody wants ads. um All right, what else?
01:21:25
vustudio608
ah That's it, man. We have not picked our next episode. We'll to that offline, but we'll be back in two weeks with another. Thanks for listening.
01:21:33
Jeff
Yeah.
01:21:33
vustudio608
Viacondias.
01:21:34
Jeff
Faya Candias.