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The Quick and the Dead
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Well, howdy partner, and welcome in to the review of Sam Raimi’s gloriously weird western, The Quick and the Dead. Sharon Stone struts into town in a leather duster and an I'm Batman speaking voice, Leonardo DiCaprio is playing “Kid” before he was The Kid, Gene Hackman is Lex Luthor in a duster, and Russell Crowe is inexplicably a pacifist preacher with a deadly draw.
This movie is part spaghetti western, part comic-book splash page, and all Raimi—complete with crash zooms, Dutch angles, and a camera shot that literally goes through a bullet hole. We’ll talk about how Sharon Stone hand-picked her co-stars (and gave DiCaprio his big break), why the duels feel like Mortal Kombat fatalities, and how this flick deserves way more love than it got back in the day.
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Transcript
Introduction and Trailer Highlights
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All right, Larry, on me in three, two.
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Welcome to Movie Life Crisis.
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Join us as we watch the best movies from 30 years ago.
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She's tough enough.
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You're pretty.
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You're not.
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She's fast enough.
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You ought to play poker with me, little lady.
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Looks like you're having a pretty good time playing with yourself.
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The only question is, I always win.
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Maybe one day your luck will run out.
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Are they man enough?
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Scull your butt out of 10.
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Say that again.
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Sharon Stone, Gene Hackman, Leonardo DiCaprio.
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Sure must want to die young, miss.
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The Quick and the Dead.
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Rated R at theaters February 10th.
Initial Reactions and Style Discussion
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The best part about that trailer is the guy's voice.
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Yeah.
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Arnold Schwarzenegger is Little Tortilla Boy.
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Little Tortilla Boy.
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Get down again.
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Dude, I gotta be honest.
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I don't remember this movie.
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I don't remember this movie.
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I owned it on DVD, and I don't remember it either.
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But I was like, ah, that movie, I remember it was being kind of pretty fun.
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And then I watched it.
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I was like, this shit is weird.
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Dude, I owned it on DVD.
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It's a super weird movie.
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I watched it on DVD.
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That's how I watched it.
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And, like, I still was like, why did I buy this again?
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Like, I don't.
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I don't know that I've seen the whole thing.
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Except Sharon Stone, but she's famous for other reasons.
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Boy, boy is she.
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She keeps it tight.
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But anyway, and it is a fun movie, but rewatching it, I was like, this shit is crazy.
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Yeah, I think a lot of that has to do with the director, Sam Raimi.
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I think that's his... Sam Raimi's weird, for sure.
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He's done like Evil Dead and Army of Darkness and a bunch of campy horror flicks, and that's why...
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Sharon Stone wanted him to direct.
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She got offered this role after Basic Instinct and she got to co-produce.
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So she got to approve everyone's hiring.
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She said, she told the studio, TriStar, she's like, if you don't hire Raimi, I'm not going to do it.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if it's him or the cinematographer, but the frickin' all the zooms on people's faces, it was like, it would zoom to Gene Hackman and then cut zoom to Russell Crowe and then cut zoom to Sharon Stone and then cut zoom to the clock and I was like, this is giving me, I need to take some medicine.
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What is the, I think it's called a whip pan, where it spins super fast.
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They did that a ton.
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And I was just like, geez, man.
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All right.
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Yeah, dude, the camera stuff was wild.
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And the whole time I was like, did he mean to do that, or is he just bad?
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And I was like, no, he definitely meant to do that, but it's jarring.
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This is art, man.
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You just don't get it.
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It's art.
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I...
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But the thing is, man, that was taking me out of it because it's so weird.
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Right.
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I don't know, man.
00:03:24
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It was still fun.
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I mean, it's like an entertaining movie.
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Oh, yeah.
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No, I watched the whole thing in one go, too.
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I didn't pause it or nothing.
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Nice.
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Yeah, dude, give us a synopsis.
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Okay,
Synopsis and Cast Discussion
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synopsis.
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Sharon Stone shows up in a corrupt Wild West town to kill Gene Hackman in a shootout tournament.
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That's pretty.
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Yeah.
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That's pretty short and sweet.
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Yeah, man.
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I was trying to figure out, because if you just Google The Quick and the Dead, there's like five movies named The Quick and the Dead, including one that came out five years or six years before this one.
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But there was a Louis L'Amour novel called The Quick and the Dead that the movie in 87 was based on.
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And this one was just written by a British guy.
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I don't think it was based on anything.
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Who's the guy with the big mustache that's always the cowboy?
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Oh, man.
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And he's the sandal wearing guy on Parks and Rec.
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Oh yeah, Sam Elliott.
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Sam Elliott.
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I think he's in The Other Quick and the Dead.
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He is indeed.
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That was a TV movie.
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Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of.
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That's not what I was thinking of this, though.
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I swear.
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Like, I remember the cartoonish hole in the guy's chest and the sunlight coming through it.
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That's literally the only thing.
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I didn't remember that.
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That was the stuff that I thought was awesome, though.
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Like, both in Gene Hackman, spoiler alert, and in the hired gun guy.
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I mean, literally hired gun.
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Who was that guy's name?
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Keith David.
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Oh, yeah.
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Clay Clayton.
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Cantrell.
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Oh, God.
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He's freaking so good.
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He has a fantastic voice.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, he's the best.
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He's been in a ton of stuff, too.
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He's been in a million things.
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But, dude, the hole where you could see Sharon Stone through the holes.
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Yeah.
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I was like, what are we doing here?
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What is this?
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I can't remember.
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See, but that was the stuff I thought was cool.
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And then the million whip pans and smash zooms.
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I was like, this is giving me a headache.
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Yeah.
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The story, it was good.
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The whole, like, at the end when they kept flashing back, which I didn't like the flashbacks that much either.
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No.
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It kept slowing everything down.
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Kept flashing back to Lieutenant Dan.
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Yeah, Lieutenant Dan and her trying to shoot the rope.
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When that happened, I was like, what the... What?
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It was bananas.
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I'd like to see... This is one I really would like for someone to remake because it literally... It's like a one-act play.
00:05:48
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It all takes place in one town and it's a very simple concept.
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You get a bunch of money and you just have a bunch of gunfighter duels and then if you win, you move on and if you lose, you die.
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That's a fun...
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idea for a movie and then you work in like oh yeah one of the people shows up and she's trying to kill the leader of the town because he was killed her dad great super I'm in did he though
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Well, I mean, technically.
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Technically, yeah.
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I don't know.
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I think if you asked Kevin McAllister's neighbor, he would say he killed him for sure because he didn't.
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Yeah.
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No, he didn't.
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That guy's freaking terrifying.
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I'm glad he's dead.
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Jesus.
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Well, dude, tell me he's not freaky.
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Yeah, no, he is.
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What about the first guy that Sharon Stone ties to the wagon wheel from the Saw movies?
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He goes on to make people fight to the death also for nothing.
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That guy, Tobin Bell.
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Tobin Bell.
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This whole cast is like, I mean, Lance Henriksen from Alien movies, Mark Boone Jr., who's from like Memento and Fast and Furious and Die Hard 2.
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And the Batman, he was the detective in Batman.
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Yep, Bruce Campbell has his little cameo because he works with Sam Raimi on a bunch of stuff.
00:07:09
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Dude, did you know there were best friends right before college?
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That's crazy.
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I feel like we researched Bruce Campbell for something and I did find that out.
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I was like, that makes sense.
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He was always working on his stuff.
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Yeah, that's friggin' sweet.
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I love me some Bruce Campbell.
00:07:22
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Yeah, so this cast is actually incredible, and this is a really simple concept that I think is really fun, and I would like to see them do it again, because I didn't think the dialogue was very good, and I didn't like Sharon Stone's performance at all, and the direction was super weird.
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I mean, the three people who've won Academy Awards for Best Actor all did a really good job, but Sharon Stone was like, why is she doing it like that?
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I don't like that.
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Yeah.
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The whole time she was just playing it quiet with her hand, just rustling over her gun.
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And she was trying to do raspy voice.
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Like, yeah, you try that.
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Cut!
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Cut!
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You want to talk to her?
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We ain't going to move a lot of tapes like this.
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All right, cut.
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Look it on Phahonics.
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Work it for me.
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May.
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Oh, dude.
00:08:10
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Yeah, the whole time I was just like, I mean, I see why they have her in here.
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The still images of her wearing the duster and the tight leather pants.
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I was like, yeah, I can see that poster.
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And then she starts talking.
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I was like, I hate it.
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I don't like anything that you did.
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I want you to not produce.
00:08:26
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I do like how she sleeps like my cousin Vinny, just a big overshirt with nothing under it.
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Oh, God.
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What do we call that?
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Stupid.
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When you're Winnie the Pooh in it, when you don't have any pants on, you just got your... Yeah.
00:08:43
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She was Winnie the Pooh in it, all right.
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Yeah, that's...
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Yeah, $35 million budget.
00:08:50
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I don't know how they spent $35 million.
00:08:52
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It must have been a lot on the cast because it all took place on one dirt road.
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They didn't go anywhere.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And there was only like one actual explosion.
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There was a couple of special effects shots, I guess.
00:09:01
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Yeah, there were some of those.
00:09:03
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Even just like the regular shots of the sky, you could tell were not special effects, but they were effects.
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They did some stuff to it.
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Yeah, you could tell.
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They churched it up some.
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$47 million gross, so barely breaks even, which puts it at number 85 on the year, right behind Johnny Mnemonic, which I don't think we're going to get to on the podcast.
00:09:25
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Johnny Mnemonic.
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I remember that VHS was bright orange.
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You remember the tape itself was a different color.
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I do remember that.
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I also remember that he had like...
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32 megabytes of storage in his head and he's like he's taking all the documents across town I was like this is a joke I wanted to do the movie just for that just so we could laugh at how little data is in his head because dude we got a lot of stuff we got 19 episodes down we have like we have like six to go and we still have like Apollo 13 and 7 and Toy Story and Pocahontas and that's like and then there's other stuff that we will want to do that we're I don't even know if we'll be able to
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Yeah.
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We're jam packed here.
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We fucked around and did bye bye love, which I've always done that.
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We did some stuff we probably could have not done.
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Like 95 is packed with stuff.
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95 is packed.
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People are always like, you should do this movie.
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I'm like, dude, there's no shot.
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Like 94, 95, 96, 97.
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Like there's, we're going to be jam packed.
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Yeah.
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We could make this our job and still not hit them all.
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Yeah.
00:10:19
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Um, dude awards, not really any awards.
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Um,
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Not really an awards contender here, but Sharon Stone was nominated for a Saturn Award for Best Actress, but she didn't win it.
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Hey, all right.
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Good for her.
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A Saturn Award's made the right choice.
00:10:34
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She didn't even win it on Saturn.
00:10:36
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No, dude, she shouldn't have.
00:10:37
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I like Sharon Stone, but I did not think she was good in this.
00:10:41
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Casino was also in 95.
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She did have that Batman voice, though.
00:10:44
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Yeah.
00:10:45
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Casino is also in 95.
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She's much better in Casino.
00:10:48
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I don't know if we'll get to Casino, but that's on the list.
00:10:51
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Ace Ventura, When Nature Calls is also in 95.
00:10:53
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We got a lot of good movies.
00:10:54
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We got to really lock down what the last seven or eight we're going to do are going to be.
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Yeah, we'll knock them out.
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Sequels and spinoffs, negatory.
00:11:03
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No.
00:11:05
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Somebody did say, I did read an article or like part of an article, I stopped reading it because it said this kind of influenced more Westerns to be made.
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Like more people started making Westerns after this one.
00:11:17
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Yeah.
00:11:17
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I guess maybe they thought they could do it better.
00:11:20
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Well, that's weird to me because Gene Hackman wins an Academy Award for Unforgiven in 1992 with Clint Eastwood, which everyone thinks is an amazing movie.
00:11:28
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Me and you were like, it's fine.
00:11:30
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And then they do a bunch of tombstone type of stuff.
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Like, why would this be the thing that kicks off a bunch of Westerns when we just had like five good Westerns in the last three years?
00:11:40
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Or maybe they said like, oh, look at all these really good ones.
00:11:43
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Even this dude's doing it.
00:11:44
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Let's also do one.
00:11:45
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Yeah.
00:11:46
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Yeah, maybe.
00:11:47
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I mean, I like Westerns.
00:11:49
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I feel like we're kind of past the Westerns.
00:11:52
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Yeah.
00:11:52
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Thank goodness.
00:11:53
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I don't know.
00:11:53
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We talk about this.
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This podcast works because 30 years is the right time to be nostalgic about.
00:11:59
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I can't really be nostalgic about 2011.
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I mean, I guess I could if I was 16.
00:12:02
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Right, right, right.
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But now it's like, you know, your kids are not going to...
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They'll have no... Westerns will mean nothing to them.
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It's like they ride a horse to jump onto a train and take a bag of gold?
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What's happening?
00:12:16
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What is all this... Right.
00:12:17
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No, dude, and even stuff like Disney World, where we talk about the Carousel of Progress, it was made in the 60s, so it starts at the turn of the century.
00:12:26
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If you made that now, you would start it in like 1960.
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Right.
00:12:30
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Yeah.
00:12:30
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So like, Hey, you start with the moon landing.
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Yeah.
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Nobody even has that frame of reference anymore.
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And Westerns, I get it.
00:12:37
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I mean, I wasn't an ancient Rome, but a frigging gladiators.
00:12:41
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Fantastic.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Like I get that, but I don't know.
00:12:44
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I, Westerns have never been my thing.
00:12:47
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I do kind of like them, but I think when they make them now, they'll just call them Yellowstone, and it'll just be a bunch of Republicans staring at each other.
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Dude, they could make this a TV show easy.
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This would be a great TV show.
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I think that'd be fun.
00:13:00
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I don't remember when I first saw this, but I owned it on DVD, so I definitely purchased it at some point.
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I owned it, and it was already open, because I still have DVDs sealed in the package with the 550 sticker on the outside.
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I have it open, so apparently I watched it.
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But man, this was all new to me.
00:13:19
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All I remembered was like, oh, this will be fun.
00:13:20
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That's a fun movie.
00:13:21
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I remember there's a lot of action.
00:13:24
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And I didn't remember how weird it was.
00:13:26
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Yeah, it was definitely weird.
00:13:28
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So what did you rate it?
00:13:30
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Man, I couldn't.
00:13:32
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The direction is so weird that it was really
Performance Critiques
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throwing me off.
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But then I was trying to like, it moves pretty well.
00:13:40
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There's some cool parts.
00:13:41
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I like the ending.
00:13:45
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I gave it a six out of 10.
00:13:47
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Oh man, that's so generous.
00:13:50
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Dude, I was going back and forth between five and a half and six, but I was like, there was some cool stuff.
00:13:55
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It's a fun concept.
00:13:57
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The direction is weird, but that's an artistic choice, and if I don't love it, that's still like, I can appreciate that he did it.
00:14:02
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Right, right.
00:14:04
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Yeah, that's why I gave it what I gave it.
00:14:05
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I gave it a five, because I don't really like Westerners to start with, but I love Gene Hackman.
00:14:10
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I love Leonardo DiCaprio.
00:14:12
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Yeah.
00:14:14
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I like when stuff is stylized, but for some reason, this one was weird.
00:14:17
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I just...
00:14:19
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It's better than a straight-up Western with, like, the Duke.
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What's his name?
00:14:24
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John Wayne.
00:14:24
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Like, I don't want that.
00:14:27
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I don't either.
00:14:27
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I don't really want this either.
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So I don't know.
00:14:29
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Like, I don't know.
00:14:30
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The storyline was cool.
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This was, like, based on, supposedly, the, like, the Sierra, the Sergio Leone Westerns and the, like, Fistful of Dollars stuff with Clint Eastwood.
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And I used to watch those when I was a kid with my dad.
00:14:41
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I liked those Westerns.
00:14:44
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I never liked the John Wayne stuff where his shirt was tucked in and it looked like he had air conditioning.
00:14:48
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Yeah.
00:14:49
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the zoomed in uh shots of the faces that's straight from the dollars trilogy like yes they do that a lot um and i was trying to i don't know man um this felt like sometimes they just do a directorial choice and it completely kind of ruins the movie for me like the first born movie remember it was just nothing but like jarring camera whips around i was like
00:15:11
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This gives me a headache.
00:15:13
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I can't, I love the Bourne movies.
00:15:14
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I love Matt Damon.
00:15:15
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I don't even want to watch this.
00:15:16
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I have to leave midway through this movie.
00:15:18
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It's so, it's messing, it's messing out.
00:15:20
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We, so, but the following movies have some kind of shaking, but not like the first one.
00:15:25
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Right.
00:15:25
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And when I rewatch those, yeah, when I rewatch them, the first one's even worse now than it was.
00:15:30
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Right.
00:15:31
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Since I know I don't like that.
00:15:33
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So that's like a specific directing choice that kind of messes up the movie for me.
00:15:36
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And this was kind of one of those.
00:15:39
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Big time.
00:15:40
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Big time.
00:15:42
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So the writer said that this was based on the Spaghetti Westerns of Sergio Leone.
00:15:46
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And I was talking to my wife.
00:15:48
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She's like, is Spaghetti Western?
00:15:49
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Is it because they did them in Italy?
00:15:51
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I was like, I don't know.
00:15:52
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I don't think so.
00:15:52
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And I looked at it.
00:15:53
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I was like, oh, yeah, that is why they did it.
00:15:55
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I mean, it was Westerns produced and directed by Italians, but a lot of them actually were produced in Italy and Spain or France, Portugal, Greece, Yugoslavia, but they were European in origin.
00:16:06
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Yeah.
00:16:07
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Yeah.
00:16:08
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I was like, that's kind of cool.
00:16:09
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Like just they were in freaking Europe in 1960s making Western movies that pretending that they were shot in America and the old West.
00:16:17
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In America.
00:16:18
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Though the weird thing to me is, is I know the term spaghetti Western because it's used all the time.
00:16:23
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Right.
00:16:24
Speaker
My dad's dad used to call them meatball movies.
00:16:27
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Yeah.
00:16:28
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And I don't know why that I don't know if that's the same thing.
00:16:32
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And that's the same reason.
00:16:33
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Yeah.
00:16:34
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He and his friends used to like, hey, we're going to we used to go see meatball movies.
00:16:38
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And I was like, OK, that sounds good.
00:16:41
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I don't know.
00:16:41
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I never knew what that meant.
00:16:42
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And then spaghetti westerns.
00:16:44
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And for some reason, I never put those two together till just now.
00:16:47
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But he loved westerns.
00:16:49
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Yeah.
00:16:49
Speaker
But he was also... Are you sure he wasn't talking about the movie Meatballs that Ivan Reitman did with Bill Murray and Harold Ramis?
00:16:56
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Because he did do like five of those.
00:16:59
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If you know a guy, my grandpa, his name is Burl.
00:17:03
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He ain't watching Meatballs the movie.
00:17:06
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I'm watching that hippie shit.
00:17:07
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So I never thought of it because I'm Italian and I don't care, but like...
00:17:12
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I feel like spaghetti western is an insult.
00:17:14
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I feel like if you say that Italian people, it's like, oh yeah, you mean the spaghetti people?
00:17:19
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That's not meant to be complimentary.
00:17:21
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Again, I don't care because I'm a blank guy.
00:17:23
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I think every Italian person I know would get mad if you called it noodle westerns.
00:17:29
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They don't like when you call it noodles.
00:17:31
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They want it to be called pasta or the actual cut of pasta spaghetti.
00:17:37
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So don't call it noodle westerns.
00:17:39
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Yeah, dude, I call it whatever you want.
00:17:41
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And apparently don't call it meatball movies.
00:17:43
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I'm Italian.
00:17:43
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I can call it whatever I want if I understand racism correctly.
00:17:47
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No, no.
00:17:49
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Yeah, dude.
00:17:51
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So we both had it.
00:17:52
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You had it at five.
00:17:53
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I had it at six.
00:17:54
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There were some cool parts.
00:17:55
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It moved pretty good.
00:17:56
Speaker
There's some really great performances and there's some super weird stuff happening.
00:17:59
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Right.
00:18:01
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And I had a hard time with scenes doing our best three scenes because, like I said, the movie's basically a one-act play.
00:18:06
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The whole thing happens on one dirt street in this town.
00:18:09
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In Redemption, yeah.
00:18:10
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Yeah.
00:18:10
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Yeah, in the town called Redemption.
00:18:12
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And I was like, I don't even know how to pick.
00:18:15
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What was your first one?
00:18:17
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In the very beginning, when they're writing up on the chalkboard, they're making the Deadpool.
00:18:22
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They're making their March Madness bracket.
00:18:26
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Yeah, their bracket.
00:18:28
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And, you know, Russell Crowe gets brought in.
00:18:31
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What's his name?
00:18:31
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Court gets brought in.
00:18:32
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He's the preacher.
00:18:33
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And they don't know, like, why, but he's being strung up, and he starts shooting at the chair, which I thought that was kind of cool.
00:18:39
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That was cool.
00:18:39
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As the chair breaks, he's going to get caught, and Sharon Stone saves him by shooting the rope and all that stuff, which now, looking back after seeing the ending, she got better.
00:18:50
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Right, I guess?
00:18:52
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Well, that's what I'm saying.
00:18:53
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At the end, thinking back about it, that's a pretty cool callback to the flashback to her as a little kid when...
00:19:00
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Gene Hackman has her dad, Lieutenant Dan, strung up, and she's a little girl, and he's shooting out the stool, and he gives her a pistol, and he's like, hey, look, you have three shots left.
00:19:11
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He's like, if you shoot the rope, then your dad can live.
00:19:14
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And Lieutenant Dan's like, go for it.
00:19:16
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You can do it.
00:19:17
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She's like, I can't do it.
00:19:17
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He's like, you can do it.
00:19:18
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Don't worry about it.
00:19:19
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It's going to be great.
00:19:19
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And she shoots him right in the head.
00:19:23
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Like it's super, it's a super legs worked.
00:19:26
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That was back when his legs worked.
00:19:27
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It was super weird.
00:19:28
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I got to, you get Lieutenant Dan, you got new legs.
00:19:31
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Uh, man, which is a super messed up scene to see with a little girl accidentally shooting her dead in the head.
00:19:42
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But I was like, that makes the earlier scene cooler.
00:19:44
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Cause then she shot the rope.
00:19:45
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It's like she went, she freaking worked on that.
00:19:46
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That's good.
00:19:47
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Yeah.
00:19:47
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Yeah.
00:19:48
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And she did it Han Solo style, from the hip.
00:19:51
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She didn't aim it.
00:19:52
Speaker
That's how all the gunfighters do.
00:19:54
Speaker
They pull it out and they shoot right from the hip.
00:19:55
Speaker
I think they call that shooting from the hip for that reason.
00:19:59
Speaker
Hey, and also, were some of the guns connected to their belt?
00:20:03
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Because some of them look like they just rotated it right there, and then they went right back in.
00:20:09
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I think there's a bunch of different styles of holsters, and I think it really is like you pull, for an audio format, this is a terrible way, but it's like they just would barely pull the gun out, and then they would just kind of swivel it.
00:20:18
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Just rotate it really fast.
00:20:21
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It really was the Han shot first school of quick draw.
00:20:24
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Yeah.
00:20:26
Speaker
They were standing super far away from that, by the way.
00:20:28
Speaker
Dude, everything I know about guns, which is so little, is that it's really hard to hit somebody from 100 paces or whatever they said it was.
00:20:38
Speaker
That seems like I would feel confident if I had to fight you or Will.
00:20:44
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You know what I'm saying?
00:20:45
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I feel like I'd be all right.
00:20:50
Speaker
Yeah, dude, I was looking up some stats on handgun engagement distance from the police and from the FBI, and it was something like from 10 feet or less, like—
00:21:04
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is where 60% of the people who are killed in those shootouts, that's the distance that they're at.
00:21:08
Speaker
And when you get beyond 10 feet, it's like almost everyone's missing almost everything.
00:21:14
Speaker
Like there have been entire shootouts with both police and criminals at distances outside of 10 feet where everyone shot until they were out of bullets and no one was hit at all.
00:21:23
Speaker
And in this movie, I throw the gun at him.
00:21:26
Speaker
Who throws a shoe, honestly?
00:21:28
Speaker
But this movie seemed like they were standing so far away.
00:21:31
Speaker
I feel like, I'm not suggesting that we do this, but I think if me and you each had guns and we were at that distance, we probably could shoot all we wanted and it would never hit.
00:21:38
Speaker
I can tell you right now, mine wouldn't.
00:21:41
Speaker
Ah, freaking Aaron Burr.
00:21:43
Speaker
Aaron Burr.
00:21:47
Speaker
Yeah, dude, I don't know anything about guns, but the whole time I was like, how are they even hitting each other?
00:21:52
Speaker
And these are also like guns from 1860, where someone made them in his backyard by hammering a tube.
00:21:58
Speaker
Or however they make guns, but they didn't come out of a freaking factory.
00:22:03
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It's a series of tubes.
00:22:06
Speaker
It's all tubes.
00:22:08
Speaker
That's a great scene.
00:22:09
Speaker
I got that one also.
00:22:11
Speaker
I like that everybody's there because, hey, you sign up for the contest.
00:22:15
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If you win, you get $123,000 courtesy of Wells Fargo and Mayor Gene Hackman.
00:22:17
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Yeah.
00:22:21
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And the weird thing was that, like, obviously everyone's there for this, but it's like, who wants to sign up?
00:22:26
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And everybody's sat quietly.
00:22:27
Speaker
I was like, aren't you guys trying to get your name in the hat?
00:22:29
Speaker
What if there's only 16 spots?
00:22:31
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Right.
00:22:32
Speaker
Like, Sharon Stone didn't sign up until the very end.
00:22:36
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Yeah.
00:22:37
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She wasn't there for the money.
00:22:39
Speaker
She was only there to kill him.
00:22:40
Speaker
Yeah, she was trying to kill Gene Hackman.
00:22:42
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Yeah, she blew the money up.
Favorite Scenes and Performances
00:22:44
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Boy, did she.
00:22:46
Speaker
That part was kind of cool.
00:22:47
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I like that part.
00:22:48
Speaker
I did too.
00:22:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:49
Speaker
It's on my list.
00:22:50
Speaker
What's your second then?
00:22:52
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My second one is the duel between Gene Hackman and Leonardo DiCaprio.
00:22:58
Speaker
So there's a bunch of people in this.
00:23:01
Speaker
It's one of the things I like about this movie is like Sharon Stone's character is just called Lady and Leonardo DiCaprio's character is just called the Kid.
00:23:07
Speaker
Kid.
00:23:07
Speaker
And then...
00:23:08
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Russell Crowe is just called the preacher until you find out his name.
00:23:10
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Eventually it's court.
00:23:12
Speaker
But I kind of like that.
00:23:12
Speaker
It's just like a bunch of archetypes.
00:23:14
Speaker
And he thinks that he is Gene Hackman's son and Gene Hackman doesn't claim him.
00:23:18
Speaker
And so he's going to enter the fast draw contest and he's going to like kill his old man just to get the respect that he deserves.
00:23:24
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Get that respect.
00:23:25
Speaker
And he's like super brash and like he's talking all this noise.
00:23:28
Speaker
He looks like he's like 15, even though he's really 20 when the movie shoots.
00:23:31
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Yeah.
00:23:32
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:33
Speaker
But I remember that.
00:23:34
Speaker
I remember Leonardo DiCaprio fighting his dad in the movie.
00:23:37
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:37
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Yeah.
00:23:38
Speaker
And then, and like he dies, but he like wings Gene Hackman.
00:23:40
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He's like doing leader.
00:23:42
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He's on the ground.
00:23:43
Speaker
He's like, hits him right in the neck.
00:23:44
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Yeah.
00:23:45
Speaker
Dude, he's like being super cocky.
00:23:46
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He's like talking to the whole town.
00:23:47
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I was like, his time has passed.
00:23:48
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He's old and I'm at just reaching my peak.
00:23:50
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And like 30 seconds later, he's like, Oh, it hurts.
00:23:52
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I don't want to die.
00:23:53
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I was like,
00:23:54
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Yeah.
00:23:54
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And dude, right as he hit him, he's like, oh, that was fast.
00:23:57
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Yeah.
00:23:58
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Before he collapses.
00:24:00
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Yeah.
00:24:01
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And then he was asking, like, did I get him?
00:24:03
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Yeah.
00:24:03
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Because he did.
00:24:04
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And they were like, yep, you got him.
00:24:06
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And then he walks over.
00:24:07
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I was like, well, there goes that.
00:24:09
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Um, yeah, dude, that's a good scene.
00:24:11
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Mine, um, is, uh, the one, uh, round, uh, in the thing before that, where, uh, ace, the guy, the guy with the long, uh, hair, uh, and the card trick, uh, he does the, the card trick where he makes the little girl hold the ace of spades up in the air.
00:24:29
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And then he sits side saddle on his horse, flips over backwards, pulls his gun and shoots from under the horse and hits right in the middle of the ace.
00:24:39
Speaker
I thought that was cool.
00:24:40
Speaker
And something about that dude I really didn't like.
00:24:44
Speaker
I mean, I liked the way he did it, but that character was just weird.
00:24:48
Speaker
He was very... He kept grabbing his hair with his whole hand and pulling it down.
00:24:55
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Yeah, and he had his mustache brush.
00:24:58
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Yeah, yeah.
00:24:59
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And he was standing all sweet and like... I don't know.
00:25:02
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Something about him I liked and something I didn't like.
00:25:05
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But I did like his card trick.
00:25:09
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I like that.
00:25:10
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He also was like telling all the stories about how he'd killed all these people in the shootout, like two of his left, two of his right.
00:25:16
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And then, and Gene Hackman was like, he's like, oh man, he's like, I wish I would have been there.
00:25:20
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He's like, you must be the fastest gun in the West.
00:25:22
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He's like, if you'd been there, you'd have found out.
00:25:23
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He's like, he's like, the thing about it is I was there.
00:25:25
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I was the one who killed those people.
00:25:27
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Yeah.
00:25:28
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And then so Gene Hackman was like, he's like, I'm going to kill you because you're telling people that you're killing people that I killed.
00:25:33
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Right.
00:25:34
Speaker
And then as soon as he does get killed, they just go and steal all of his stuff.
00:25:39
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Every time someone dies, the locals just run in there, strip them, rip their teeth out and just like go have a party.
00:25:45
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I got gold teeth.
00:25:48
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Yeah, that was my second one was the card trick.
00:25:51
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Yeah, my second one was Leo gets killed by his Pappy, potentially.
00:25:56
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Maybe he thinks.
00:25:57
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Pappy.
00:25:58
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And I think our third one is the same, which is the final.
00:26:01
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It's supposed to be a showdown between Russell Crowe and Sharon Stone, who have kind of struck up a friendship.
00:26:07
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They're like, Russell Crowe's giving her tips.
00:26:09
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He's giving her the tip, all right.
00:26:12
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Well, no, before her first fight, he's like, hey.
00:26:14
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That's more than friendship.
00:26:15
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Yeah.
00:26:16
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He's like, hey, listen, because they go when the clock strikes, whatever the hour is, and he's like, you can.
00:26:21
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Yeah.
00:26:21
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The clock, it'll click before the gong, so be ready for that.
00:26:25
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And he gives her a tip for her first fight.
00:26:28
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So he's like, because he was an outlaw, and then Gene Hackman made him kill a priest in Mexico, and so he renounced his ways, and he became a priest.
00:26:36
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And then Gene Hackman forces him to fight to the death, and so he's like...
00:26:41
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He keeps trying to, like, he's going, don't become me.
00:26:44
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He's like, you can always get forgiveness.
00:26:46
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Right.
00:26:46
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But anyway, they're fighting, and they're both like, I'm not drawing.
00:26:48
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And so the clock strikes, neither of them draw.
00:26:50
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They're just standing there, and Gene Hackman's like, I'm going to count down from 10, and if neither of you shoots by 10, I'm just going to have my men shoot both of you.
00:26:57
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Yeah.
00:26:59
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And so, so finally they both draw Russell Crowe shoots her.
00:27:05
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She falls down dead.
00:27:06
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We think turns out she's faking it.
00:27:09
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And then spoiler alert.
00:27:11
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Yeah.
00:27:12
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Yeah.
00:27:13
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Like, it's a good ending.
00:27:14
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Yeah.
00:27:15
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And then she takes all the dynamite from under Leo's.
00:27:17
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And Kevin McCallister's creepy neighbor's like, nobody touch her.
00:27:20
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He's in on the scam.
00:27:22
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They haul her off.
00:27:23
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And then it's Russell Crowe and Gene Hackman.
00:27:25
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And like, right when the clock gets ready to strike, the whole freaking thing just explodes because Sharon Stone's got all the dynamite hooked up and just blows up the whole town.
00:27:32
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And then she comes out and then she shoots Gene Hackman.
00:27:35
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Yeah, and that's where we see the final circle hole with the light shining through it.
00:27:41
Speaker
Yeah, dude.
00:27:41
Speaker
In the shadow, there was a circle.
00:27:43
Speaker
That was cool.
00:27:44
Speaker
Yeah, you see a shadow, and there's a hole in it with light shining through from the bullet.
00:27:48
Speaker
There were some cool effects in this movie.
00:27:51
Speaker
A lot of it was very weird, but there were some cool stuff.
00:27:54
Speaker
And, dude, I know there were practical explosions, and those were actual people just running away from the explosions, but I thought those looked good, too.
00:28:01
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Yeah.
00:28:01
Speaker
I thought the clock blowing up looked good.
00:28:05
Speaker
Yeah, dude, I just think if we could just have this movie with normal direction instead of a million smash zooms and whip pans to the point where it's really unsettling, I think I would like it way more.
00:28:20
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Well, we'll have the chance when we recast it and redo it down at the bottom.
00:28:25
Speaker
Yeah, for sure.
00:28:27
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What about quotes?
00:28:27
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Did you have problems finding quotes?
00:28:29
Speaker
Because I did.
00:28:30
Speaker
I did have problems finding quotes because I didn't really write down anything throughout the entire movie.
00:28:35
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Because in most of what I, when people would talk, I'd be like, God, that's bad dialogue.
00:28:40
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Yeah.
00:28:41
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The first one I had, I thought was pretty good.
00:28:44
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It was the Russell Crowe's character.
00:28:47
Speaker
And he is, he's not facing the camera and he turns.
00:28:53
Speaker
And when he turns, it's very dramatic.
00:28:55
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And he says, my name is Maxis Decimus Meridius, commander of the armies of the North, general of the Felix legions and loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius.
00:29:04
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Except that's the wrong movie.
00:29:06
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So yeah.
00:29:06
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Yeah, that bit was very good.
00:29:07
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It just doesn't happen for like six more years.
00:29:10
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Yeah, it's not there.
00:29:11
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No, I did have him.
00:29:13
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When he says, there's a click before the strike.
00:29:15
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Listen to the clock.
00:29:18
Speaker
As soon as he did that, I was like, oh man, WrestleCrow is pretty cool.
00:29:21
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He had good hair in this movie.
00:29:23
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He looked cool.
00:29:24
Speaker
He acted cool.
00:29:26
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I thought he did a great job.
00:29:27
Speaker
So when he said that, I thought that was cool and I put that one down.
00:29:32
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There's a click before the strike.
00:29:33
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Listen to the clock.
00:29:34
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Yeah.
00:29:35
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He is fantastic.
00:29:36
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My first quote that I thought back on was,
00:29:41
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was after he, uh, after everything explodes and it's, and it's Russell Crowe and Gene Hackman in there facing off.
00:29:50
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And, um, and then Russell Crowe just kills all of his henchmen.
00:29:53
Speaker
He's got like eight guys like on balconies and he, dude, he's like taking two guns.
00:29:57
Speaker
He's like doing this thing and he shoots over his shoulders and kills two people.
00:29:59
Speaker
And he's like, does one of these upside down.
00:30:01
Speaker
He had the gun upside down and he shot it.
00:30:03
Speaker
It was awesome.
00:30:03
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:04
Speaker
Like he, and he took like, he took the rifle and like hit the guy in the face with it and then shot over his shoulder.
00:30:08
Speaker
And then right after doing all that, he tells Gene Hackman, he's like, sorry, John, change the rules.
00:30:12
Speaker
From now on, all the fights are fair.
00:30:14
Speaker
Because Gene Hackman, the whole time he was fighting, he's got all these freaking guys pointing guns at everybody.
00:30:20
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:23
Speaker
And that was a badass moment.
00:30:25
Speaker
Freaking Russell Crowe.
00:30:26
Speaker
They could really make this awesome.
00:30:29
Speaker
More stuff like that and less stuff like the whip cuts will be fine.
00:30:35
Speaker
Dude, my second one is when Russell Crowe doesn't want to fight and he says he's not even going to shoot the gun.
00:30:41
Speaker
So they go into the store or the house of...
00:30:45
Speaker
uh the harrod's kid the freaking leonardo caprio was that a store i don't know what that was yeah i think so i don't know uh and he was telling them about all the guns and uh he was like smith and west and showfield four five this is meat and potatoes me and jesse james thinks this is the best handgun in the world had the trigger guard removed uh saves drawing time don't ever wear it when you're drunk or you kill your feet i was like jesus
00:31:09
Speaker
I never even thought that, like, I mean, I know what the trigger guard's for, but I never even thought, like, oh, snap, if that's not on there, you go to put that down and it hits the trigger, you just really do shoot yourself in the leg.
00:31:21
Speaker
Plexico Burris style.
00:31:25
Speaker
Yeah, I think Plexico, he also had his, like, in some track pants and the strip joint, but if only he... I believe we just made a Plexico Burris reference.
00:31:35
Speaker
Yeah.
00:31:36
Speaker
Shout out.
00:31:36
Speaker
We could have had him come on the podcast to talk about this movie.
00:31:39
Speaker
We could have had him over for dinner.
00:31:41
Speaker
Yeah, he's available.
00:31:42
Speaker
I don't know.
00:31:43
Speaker
Let's check that out.
00:31:44
Speaker
That's funny.
00:31:46
Speaker
The point is, is that whole scene was good, but I liked the way he was trying to sell it.
00:31:51
Speaker
He was trying to get him there.
00:31:52
Speaker
Plaxico Burris has a juice bar in Wayne, New Jersey.
00:31:58
Speaker
So, you know, which is to say I think he's available.
00:32:01
Speaker
That's pretty good.
00:32:02
Speaker
I'm glad he loves the juice.
00:32:04
Speaker
Oh, you said juice.
00:32:06
Speaker
Yeah, squeezing the juice.
00:32:08
Speaker
The other one I had was Leonardo DiCaprio, the kid.
00:32:10
Speaker
The first round, you don't have to kill people in the first round.
00:32:12
Speaker
You could just shoot them in the arm and they could just go, never mind, I give up.
00:32:15
Speaker
I think we shot the dumb kids.
00:32:18
Speaker
I think they shot some dumb kids.
00:32:20
Speaker
They didn't kill them, they just nicked them.
00:32:23
Speaker
And he's fighting the Swede, and he's supposed to be the fastest gun in all of Sweden.
00:32:26
Speaker
He apparently heard about this and got on a steamer and then rode a horse and then a train and then came to try and win this money.
00:32:32
Speaker
And then as soon as it starts, he gets taken down by a 15-year-old kid.
00:32:36
Speaker
But then Leonardo DiCaprio just goes, am I fast?
00:32:38
Speaker
Or is Sweden just a very small place?
00:32:41
Speaker
Yeah, I remember that.
00:32:42
Speaker
That was good.
00:32:43
Speaker
He had a lot of good cocky lines.
00:32:45
Speaker
I liked him.
00:32:46
Speaker
Yeah, he was a fun character.
00:32:49
Speaker
Also, this is how you can tell Leonardo DiCaprio is a very good actor, because most of what he was saying was not good, but it still sounded good when he said it.
00:32:56
Speaker
Yeah, it sounded good.
00:32:58
Speaker
But I think that goes for all three of the guys that were like...
00:33:02
Speaker
you know, the court, the kid and Gene Hackman.
00:33:07
Speaker
Yeah.
00:33:07
Speaker
Because Gene Hackman didn't have good stuff.
00:33:09
Speaker
His name is Herod, by the way.
00:33:10
Speaker
It's a completely wide open Bible reference.
00:33:13
Speaker
Yeah.
00:33:14
Speaker
The town's called Redemption.
00:33:14
Speaker
Redemption.
00:33:15
Speaker
His name is Herod.
00:33:16
Speaker
Yeah, Herod.
00:33:19
Speaker
Dude, I love Gene Hackman's voice.
00:33:22
Speaker
I've always said, like, if I could get Gene Hackman or Danny DeVito to read all my audiobooks, man, that would be great.
00:33:29
Speaker
I kind of feel bad because they keep remaking Superman and they keep casting really good people as Lex Luthor, and I keep going like, you ain't Gene Hackman, get out of here.
00:33:37
Speaker
Yeah, every time I'm like, eh, not even close.
00:33:40
Speaker
Not even close.
00:33:41
Speaker
You ain't Foxy Brown.
00:33:44
Speaker
I'm looking for Foxy Brown.
00:33:46
Speaker
Dude, my third quote was Gene Hackman from John Herod.
00:33:50
Speaker
Right after he... I can't remember who he killed right before this, but he was yelling at all... Oh, it was right after he killed Keith David.
00:33:57
Speaker
Oh, was it the town?
00:33:58
Speaker
After he killed, yeah, Keith David.
00:33:59
Speaker
Yeah, the guy that they all pulled their money together.
00:34:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:03
Speaker
I like how they did that because you could see the whole town was like...
00:34:06
Speaker
pulling for the gunfire like the woman was like holding her like cross like praying right right and then when he died and he also like gene hackman shot him and then the camera angle was from behind his head and there was just a freaking big hole and you could see through the hole through the guy's head to gene hackman yes i was like that was awesome yeah that was a big hole that was a big hole back yes into the left um so uh he uh he starts yelling at the whole town and he's like uh
00:34:32
Speaker
I'll hear from you, you spineless cowards, how you're all poor and you can't afford my taxes, yet somehow you managed to find the money to hire a gunfighter to kill me.
00:34:41
Speaker
If you got so much money, I'm going to have to take some more off you.
00:34:44
Speaker
Like, I liked how he was so upset about the whole thing.
00:34:48
Speaker
Keeping everybody poor and him living in a big house and them all hating him, that's the freaking American dream, man.
00:34:55
Speaker
That's what everybody, I feel like that's how everybody is or how most people are.
00:35:00
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:00
Speaker
I like that.
00:35:03
Speaker
Yeah, I liked that one too.
00:35:04
Speaker
Gene Hackman is fantastic.
00:35:07
Speaker
The last one I had was when Sharon Stone was talking to her.
00:35:11
Speaker
There's the one girl that kept talking to her.
00:35:14
Speaker
She's like, I've never seen a woman wear a gun before.
00:35:15
Speaker
And then she overslept her before one of her matches.
00:35:19
Speaker
And then the girl comes in.
00:35:20
Speaker
She's like, hey, they're calling for you.
00:35:22
Speaker
And she's like, are you really going to do it?
00:35:23
Speaker
I said, what if you get killed?
00:35:25
Speaker
And Sharon Stone goes, well, then I won't be around to answer any more of your dumb questions.
00:35:29
Speaker
Yeah, I like that part.
00:35:30
Speaker
I like how she was always a jerk to the girl.
00:35:32
Speaker
So the guy that was writing on the board that was the barkeep.
00:35:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:36
Speaker
That was his daughter?
00:35:39
Speaker
I couldn't tell.
00:35:41
Speaker
I think it was his daughter, right?
00:35:43
Speaker
And then the other guy who looked like the barkeep but wasn't the barkeep was trying to hook up with her.
00:35:49
Speaker
And that part was kind of confusing.
00:35:52
Speaker
And I couldn't tell if they were supposed to be related or not.
00:35:54
Speaker
But I guess it doesn't matter.
00:35:56
Speaker
He was still like... I think it was his daughter because they're credited.
00:36:00
Speaker
One of them is called... The bartender's name is Horace Pinnock and the girl's name is Katie Pinnock.
00:36:05
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:05
Speaker
And he when what's his what's her name?
00:36:08
Speaker
Sharon Stone goes over and kicks your boy's butt for being wrong to her.
00:36:16
Speaker
He says thank you.
00:36:17
Speaker
So like that's why I was picturing it being his daughter.
00:36:21
Speaker
I like that whole dynamic, too.
00:36:23
Speaker
Yeah, that's a cool little subplot that they put in there.
00:36:26
Speaker
There's good touches in this movie.
00:36:28
Speaker
Just the freaking direction is so weird.
00:36:30
Speaker
Yeah, it is.
00:36:31
Speaker
Let's do characters.
00:36:33
Speaker
Characters was really easy for me.
00:36:36
Speaker
I got the three Academy Award winners for Best Actor.
00:36:39
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:40
Speaker
I left out Leonardo DiCaprio because I figured we're going to have a bunch of more reasons to, we're going to do more of his movies.
00:36:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:48
Speaker
And I don't think we're ever going to do another Sharon Stone movie.
00:36:51
Speaker
So I threw her in there.
00:36:53
Speaker
We might do Casino in 95.
00:36:55
Speaker
Casino, yeah.
00:36:56
Speaker
I forgot she was in that until you just said it.
00:36:58
Speaker
Yeah, well, tell me what Sharon Stone did in this movie that made you want to pick her as one of your best characters.
00:37:04
Speaker
Just the whole idea that this is a very male-driven... Westerns are typically dominated by men, and you very rarely get to see... I mean, there's those few bad girls or whatever the name of that movie was where they were all gunfighters in the West, but...
00:37:25
Speaker
To have a female lead in a Western, I like that call.
00:37:30
Speaker
Again, I didn't like how she played every single part.
00:37:34
Speaker
I don't know how old she was in this movie, but she still had it going on.
00:37:38
Speaker
She was 37.
00:37:43
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:43
Speaker
The whole reason to have her on screen like, oh, you want the good looking person right in the front, standing front and center.
00:37:49
Speaker
They did that part well.
00:37:51
Speaker
I just there was parts, like you said, that she played that I didn't understand why she did it like that.
00:37:56
Speaker
Yeah, I really liked that character, like you said, because it's a male-dominated genre, and it's cool to put a woman in the lead, and that's a really interesting idea.
00:38:05
Speaker
I just didn't like any of the choices she made, and I don't know if it was her, or if it was the director, or if it was something they came up with together.
00:38:10
Speaker
The movie doesn't get made without her, because she...
00:38:13
Speaker
co-produces it.
00:38:14
Speaker
She's the first one they offer it to.
00:38:15
Speaker
And then she gets hiring approval on everybody.
00:38:18
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:18
Speaker
So like she insists on Sam Raimi.
00:38:21
Speaker
She insists on Leonardo DiCaprio.
00:38:22
Speaker
I had Leo as my first one.
00:38:24
Speaker
They offered that part to Matt Damon and the studio didn't want Leonardo DiCaprio.
00:38:28
Speaker
And the only reason that they got him was that Sharon Stone paid him out of her own pocket.
00:38:31
Speaker
Dang.
00:38:32
Speaker
That's nice.
00:38:32
Speaker
So my credit to her for this movie happening at all, but I just, the acting work, I did not like any of the choices that that character made.
00:38:41
Speaker
The character itself, the anti-hero and being a woman, I like that whole thing.
00:38:47
Speaker
Yeah, me too.
00:38:49
Speaker
Plus, her name is Ellen, and we found out at the end.
00:38:53
Speaker
And the whole time, I couldn't remember.
00:38:55
Speaker
I was like, I don't remember them calling her just the lady.
00:38:58
Speaker
But dude, this whole movie was fuzzy for me, so I'm not sure.
00:39:02
Speaker
Yeah, dude.
00:39:02
Speaker
We eventually found it out.
00:39:04
Speaker
My first one was Leonardo DiCaprio, who's 20 in this movie.
00:39:07
Speaker
He's been nominated for six Academy Awards for acting, and he won in 2016 for The Revenant.
00:39:13
Speaker
My second character was Gene Hackman, who's been nominated for five Academy Awards for acting, winning Best Supporting Actor for Unforgiven, which we did on this podcast back in season two, and Best Actor in The French Connection in 1971.
00:39:25
Speaker
which we'll do on Patreon in 17 years.
00:39:29
Speaker
Didn't we already do big?
00:39:30
Speaker
Did we do big?
00:39:32
Speaker
That's the movie he was watching.
00:39:34
Speaker
And when he was like eating Oreos and he turns off the TV, but he could still hear the gunfights and stuff.
00:39:39
Speaker
That's the movie he was watching, French Connection.
00:39:41
Speaker
Nice.
00:39:43
Speaker
Dude, I had Gene Hackman also.
00:39:44
Speaker
I love Gene Hackman.
00:39:48
Speaker
Gene Hackman as a villain is awesome.
00:39:51
Speaker
I like, what's the basketball?
00:39:53
Speaker
Hoosiers.
00:39:53
Speaker
I like Hoosiers.
00:39:54
Speaker
Hoosiers, yep.
00:39:55
Speaker
But him as a villain is just, him being Lex Luthor.
00:40:00
Speaker
What's the other one this year in the submarine with Denzel?
00:40:05
Speaker
October?
00:40:06
Speaker
No, no, no.
00:40:06
Speaker
Crimson Tide.
00:40:07
Speaker
Crimson Tide.
00:40:07
Speaker
Crimson Tide.
00:40:08
Speaker
Yeah, so he's the, quote, bad guy in that one.
00:40:12
Speaker
Yeah, but even stuff like Enemy of the State...
00:40:15
Speaker
Yeah, dude, he's freaking good.
00:40:18
Speaker
And like in the firm.
00:40:19
Speaker
The replacements?
00:40:21
Speaker
Oh, man.
00:40:22
Speaker
Wasn't he the coach in the replacements?
00:40:24
Speaker
Yes.
00:40:25
Speaker
I love this dude.
00:40:27
Speaker
He's been the coach in a couple of sports movies that I really like where the actual sports are very bad.
00:40:32
Speaker
Hoosiers and replacements.
00:40:34
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:36
Speaker
And dude, Gene Hackman just died this year at age 95.
00:40:38
Speaker
Good for him.
00:40:40
Speaker
Yeah, he had a pretty good run.
00:40:42
Speaker
Even though I heard he did die and his body sat in the house because his kids didn't say anything or nobody called on him or talked to him.
00:40:51
Speaker
That's kind of sad.
00:40:52
Speaker
Yeah, the tail in there was probably rough, but if you make it to 95, you're deep into the bonus.
00:40:57
Speaker
We're already on borrowed time.
00:41:01
Speaker
So who's your third one?
00:41:03
Speaker
Is it Russell Crowe?
00:41:04
Speaker
It's Russell Crowe, who's been nominated for three Academy Awards for acting.
00:41:08
Speaker
In fact, Russell Crowe is one of, I think, three people who went back to back to back for Best Actor nominations, 2000, 2001, and 2002.
00:41:13
Speaker
So it's The Insider, Gladiator, and A Beautiful Mind.
00:41:18
Speaker
And he wins once for Gladiator.
00:41:20
Speaker
Even though I like A Beautiful Mind's performance maybe a little bit better.
00:41:24
Speaker
Or I think he actually maybe should have won for both.
00:41:28
Speaker
I watch Gladiator every year for school because I have a truncated version.
00:41:33
Speaker
It's so freaking good, dude.
00:41:35
Speaker
Yeah, Gladiator's fantastic.
00:41:36
Speaker
And then they made Gladiator 2 less fantastic.
00:41:38
Speaker
And now they're already working on Gladiator 3.
00:41:40
Speaker
And I can't imagine how much first it's going to get.
00:41:43
Speaker
Yeah, I saw it.
00:41:44
Speaker
I didn't even finish two.
00:41:46
Speaker
Dude, I liked this part.
00:41:48
Speaker
So those three have 14 Academy Award nominations between them and four wins just for acting.
00:41:54
Speaker
And I was like, is this the most talented top-billed cast of any movie we've ever done?
00:41:58
Speaker
I started looking at it.
00:41:59
Speaker
And number one by a mile is the player, Robert Altman, from 1992, because there's a million cameos in that movie.
00:42:05
Speaker
Oh, yeah, everybody's in that, yeah.
00:42:07
Speaker
So I'm like, I've got to throw that out because it's all cameos.
00:42:09
Speaker
But I think you can make a good argument that this is maybe the most...
00:42:12
Speaker
the most Oscar awards nominations and wins of any cast until we do Avengers Endgame.
00:42:21
Speaker
Right.
00:42:21
Speaker
And even, dude, but that makes a lot of money.
00:42:24
Speaker
If you even put another caveat in saying like a movie that didn't do well, but has a ton of Oscar people in it, this has definitely got to be up there.
00:42:32
Speaker
Yeah, but dude, Avengers Endgame has 11 Oscar winners in it.
00:42:36
Speaker
Robert Douglas, Michael Douglas, Robert Redford, William Hurt, Marissa Tomei, Gwyneth Paltrow, Tilda Swinton, Ellie Portman, Brie Larson, Tika Waikidi, Robert Downey Jr., Zoe Saldana.
00:42:49
Speaker
And then the people with nominations, there's like 20 other people who have nominations that are in there.
00:42:57
Speaker
There's Movie 43 is the first one I thought of.
00:43:01
Speaker
That has one, two, three, four, five, six Oscar winners in it.
00:43:05
Speaker
yep that's a horrible movie also way up on the list is i think is 1996 is hamlet which has eight which is julie christie judy dench kate winslet john something charlton heston jack lemon john mills and robin williams nice don't think we're gonna do that in uh 96 when is when is the speaking of uh denzel when is the russell crowe denzel movie what's that one where he's like a
00:43:31
Speaker
He's like a computer program that comes to life and he like bleeds blue stuff and shoots people and it's... I think that's Virtuosity and I think it's this year.
00:43:40
Speaker
Virtuosity!
00:43:41
Speaker
It's this year.
00:43:41
Speaker
Is it this year?
00:43:42
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think we're going to get to it.
00:43:43
Speaker
Oh, no!
00:43:44
Speaker
Don't tell me that!
00:43:45
Speaker
Yeah, dude.
00:43:46
Speaker
Oh, that movie was so weird.
00:43:48
Speaker
I loved it.
00:43:49
Speaker
We got a lot of good movies this year.
00:43:51
Speaker
No, I know.
00:43:51
Speaker
I know.
00:43:52
Speaker
I know.
00:43:53
Speaker
I'm saying like that was an awesome one.
00:43:55
Speaker
I know.
00:43:56
Speaker
That's what I mean.
00:43:56
Speaker
Like we got 95's got some great movies.
00:43:58
Speaker
We're not going to get to all of them.
00:44:00
Speaker
They take all the worst people and put them, their ideas into his head and he becomes a real person.
00:44:06
Speaker
That's freaking great.
00:44:08
Speaker
Yeah, man.
00:44:10
Speaker
Yeah, Russell Crowe plays Sid 6.7.
00:44:13
Speaker
Sid!
00:44:15
Speaker
Oh, man.
00:44:15
Speaker
I'm going to watch that.
00:44:16
Speaker
If we're not watching it this year, I'm going to watch it tonight.
00:44:18
Speaker
Well, that's what... Dude, we got to figure out... Because Virtuosity and Johnny Mnemonic are both N95, and they're both so... But we already did the net.
00:44:28
Speaker
I don't know how many of these weird old tech movies we can do.
00:44:31
Speaker
But we got to figure out the rest of our N95 calendar, because we're going to miss some stuff.
00:44:35
Speaker
Yeah, we'll hammer it out.
00:44:38
Speaker
Yeah, so, all right, good characters.
00:44:40
Speaker
What about, you want to talk about Sam Raimi?
00:44:42
Speaker
We kind of already talked about him a little bit in the... Yes, Sam Raimi is the director.
00:44:47
Speaker
He's done like Army of Darkness, Evil Dead, but he has not yet done the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man trilogy, which is what I most know him from.
Sam Raimi's Works and Film Resolution
00:44:56
Speaker
I think I remember talking about him and I want to say it was like Hudsucker.
00:45:00
Speaker
We talked about him maybe if we, but I don't think he directed that.
00:45:04
Speaker
That's Coen brothers.
00:45:05
Speaker
He was a writer maybe on that.
00:45:07
Speaker
I don't know.
00:45:07
Speaker
I can't.
00:45:08
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:08
Speaker
He worked on, he worked on some stuff.
00:45:10
Speaker
He worked on the, he was a writer of the Hudsucker proxy cause he did a bunch of work with the Coen brothers, especially early on.
00:45:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:17
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:18
Speaker
But yeah, but then from here on out, he kind of only moves into directing, I think.
00:45:22
Speaker
I guess he has writing credits on one of the Spider-Man movies.
00:45:26
Speaker
Spider-Men?
00:45:27
Speaker
Spider-Men.
00:45:28
Speaker
Spider-Men's.
00:45:30
Speaker
He also directed Doctor Strange in the Multiverse.
00:45:32
Speaker
I forgot about that.
00:45:33
Speaker
Yeah, that's because he was so upset that he never got to make that Spider-Man 4.
00:45:38
Speaker
He wanted to end it on a high note, and then I think Sony wanted to have three more movies and make it two trilogies.
00:45:47
Speaker
And because he never got to finish that, he really wanted to...
00:45:51
Speaker
do it and i think that's because i think on the other what's the far from home what's the one with michael keaton whatever spider-man that is yeah he he was like a consultant on that consulting yeah he did like a lot of stuff for that um but he got to direct a multiverse of madness and that has a lot of spider-man in it too so he got spider-man back sort of
00:46:14
Speaker
Yeah, he eventually got it back.
00:46:17
Speaker
The writer was Simon Moore.
00:46:19
Speaker
He wrote this script on spec kind of by himself.
00:46:23
Speaker
It got bought, and then they went into production, and then they had a bunch of people come in to do rewrites.
00:46:30
Speaker
They hired a couple other writers because they thought the tone was getting to be not what they wanted it to.
00:46:35
Speaker
Yeah.
00:46:38
Speaker
I'm trying to remember what the story was.
00:46:41
Speaker
Well, I was trying to figure out what the Joss Whedon involvement was.
00:46:43
Speaker
And I eventually saw an article of Sam Raimi talking about, like his quote is like, in 1994, I was making a Western called The Quick and the Dead.
00:46:51
Speaker
I was having a script problem.
00:46:53
Speaker
And I came to the studio and said, can you find me a writer?
00:46:55
Speaker
I've shot the movie, but the end isn't working.
00:46:58
Speaker
And they suggested Joss Whedon.
00:47:00
Speaker
And so I met Joss.
00:47:01
Speaker
He watched the movie and he helped me solve the ending in one afternoon.
00:47:05
Speaker
And I thought, damn, you're a good writer.
00:47:07
Speaker
I wish I could have had you rewrite the whole movie.
00:47:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:10
Speaker
So, but the ending is what, like after the movie's already shot and edited, they're like, they've got a rough cut.
00:47:14
Speaker
Joss Whedon screens it with Sam Raimi and goes, here's how you fix the ending.
00:47:17
Speaker
And then I do that.
00:47:18
Speaker
I was like, that's awesome.
00:47:21
Speaker
I'd love to be able to just be able to knock it out like that.
00:47:25
Speaker
Oh, what you should do, bring it back.
00:47:27
Speaker
Take out all the whip pans and the smash cuts.
00:47:30
Speaker
What are you doing?
00:47:31
Speaker
Make it regular.
00:47:32
Speaker
Stop making it super weird.
00:47:34
Speaker
Or is it going to be like, what's his name, on the studio where he's just terrified to tell Ron Howard that the movie sucks?
00:47:42
Speaker
Oh, dude, I love that Ron Howard episode.
00:47:45
Speaker
He was so uncomfortable.
00:47:46
Speaker
He was just like, you tell him.
00:47:48
Speaker
I'm not telling him.
00:47:49
Speaker
And Anthony Mackie's like, I'm not telling him.
00:47:50
Speaker
I hated it when I read it.
00:47:51
Speaker
I hated it when we shot it.
00:47:52
Speaker
I hate it now.
00:47:54
Speaker
That's a good show.
00:47:56
Speaker
That's a good show.
00:47:56
Speaker
Yeah, dude.
00:47:57
Speaker
I tried to tell you.
00:47:58
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:58
Speaker
Yeah, I wish Joss Whedon had got involved in this earlier because all the dialogue could have used a rewrite.
00:48:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:04
Speaker
Did you get any other bonus good?
00:48:09
Speaker
uh no we talked about all the different people in it i i did watch it in uh surround sound uh it was 5.1 on the dvd that i had uh so it was a i was able to hear it like ricochet like the bullets were like going around the ticking of the clock like you can hear the subtle little clicks before the big click and it move uh you can hear that off of all the speakers and that was cool so the sound was good sound design
00:48:33
Speaker
Well, I was trying to figure that out because I watched part of it at my studio where I have surround sound and I watched part of it at my house where I don't.
00:48:40
Speaker
In both places, I felt like the balance was way off between the dialogue and the action, especially at my house where there's no surround sound.
00:48:47
Speaker
Well, the only thing, I had to crank it way down really fast when the explosions happened.
00:48:52
Speaker
I forgot they happened.
00:48:53
Speaker
And I did have it up.
00:48:55
Speaker
But I didn't think, like, I don't know, maybe I didn't care because nobody was asleep, but...
00:48:59
Speaker
Well, this is one of the first times I ever had to turn on captions because I don't like to watch movies with captions because then I don't watch the movie.
00:49:04
Speaker
I just look at the text.
00:49:06
Speaker
But this one, I legit couldn't hear what anyone was saying.
00:49:09
Speaker
I was like, I'm missing stuff.
00:49:10
Speaker
And it was better with surround sound.
00:49:13
Speaker
But yeah, the sound design.
00:49:14
Speaker
I can never tell.
00:49:15
Speaker
I'm like, did they mess this up?
00:49:16
Speaker
Or did whenever I got this, when I put this onto my computer or downloaded it, did I mess it up?
00:49:21
Speaker
I don't know.
00:49:22
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:49:25
Speaker
I did see that Sam Raimi talked about, like, years later, like, in 2009, he said this movie helped him learn a lot about working with actors because he just said, his quote was, I treated him as props to move around, but then working with Gene Hackman and Sharon Stone helped him evolve.
00:49:42
Speaker
And he said that his style, he's like, I felt my style didn't help make it into a great picture.
00:49:48
Speaker
And then he's just kind of like, he's like, I don't know if I know what I'm doing after this movie.
00:49:54
Speaker
The thing that we didn't like about it, does he do any of that in Spider-Man?
00:49:59
Speaker
No.
00:50:00
Speaker
What's it called when it's kind of close up and everything's tilted, like a Dutch angle or something like that, whatever it's called?
00:50:07
Speaker
He does that a lot in this movie.
00:50:10
Speaker
There's a lot of the guys in the front, but he's on one side of the screen, and the stuff going on in the background is kind of blurry, and then it switches.
00:50:17
Speaker
He does that a lot, too.
00:50:19
Speaker
Whatever all of those are called, those kind of flourishes people don't.
00:50:24
Speaker
I guess I didn't like it, but...
00:50:26
Speaker
I bet if we watched all of Sam Raimi's movies, you would see him evolve as a director.
00:50:32
Speaker
But I think the Spider-Man trilogy is fantastic.
00:50:34
Speaker
Yeah, it's way good.
00:50:35
Speaker
And I don't remember any weird directing stuff.
00:50:39
Speaker
Except that dance he does where he's dancing.
00:50:40
Speaker
The dance is very weird.
00:50:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:44
Speaker
I already talked about it.
00:50:45
Speaker
I didn't like the directing stuff.
00:50:46
Speaker
I didn't like Sharon Stone's performance choices.
00:50:49
Speaker
And I...
00:50:50
Speaker
I wish that Gene Hackman had been given a little bit more as a character to make him not just straight up evil.
00:50:57
Speaker
Right.
00:50:57
Speaker
Because I think he could play a villain with nuance like he does with Lex Luthor.
00:51:01
Speaker
Yeah, he could.
00:51:02
Speaker
He could.
00:51:03
Speaker
Yeah, the only thing I put is I didn't really like the romantic subplot between Ellen and Court.
00:51:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:11
Speaker
And I didn't like the flashback sequences.
00:51:13
Speaker
They were all clunky.
00:51:15
Speaker
It felt like everything slowed down.
00:51:17
Speaker
I didn't like that.
00:51:19
Speaker
Yeah, for sure.
00:51:21
Speaker
Did you have worse effects?
00:51:22
Speaker
I mean, the CGI.
00:51:23
Speaker
No, I thought the effects were pretty good, honestly.
00:51:25
Speaker
It looked all right.
00:51:26
Speaker
Yeah, it looked all right.
00:51:27
Speaker
It's mid-90s.
00:51:28
Speaker
It's supposed to look like that.
00:51:29
Speaker
Yeah, I don't even know if it was CGI.
00:51:30
Speaker
It might have all been practical, but I thought the effects were pretty good.
00:51:33
Speaker
They actually put a hole in Keith David's head.
00:51:35
Speaker
Keith David's head.
00:51:36
Speaker
Well, no, but they do the thing where they build it out of claymation and they blow it up.
00:51:39
Speaker
Right, right, yeah.
00:51:42
Speaker
He did live through this.
00:51:43
Speaker
He did.
00:51:44
Speaker
He's in community after this.
00:51:46
Speaker
Yeah, he is.
00:51:47
Speaker
Five questions.
00:51:48
Speaker
Is it okay for kids?
Rating and Remake Potential
00:51:51
Speaker
Dude, my 13-year-old walked through the room a couple times and stopped and watched.
00:51:56
Speaker
I mean...
00:51:59
Speaker
As conservative as everything is now, I would feel like it would get rated R. It was PG-13 on the box I had.
00:52:06
Speaker
That's what I was trying to figure out.
00:52:07
Speaker
I had it rated as PG-13.
00:52:09
Speaker
I was like, this seems like it would have been rated R.
00:52:11
Speaker
Yeah, it was PG-13 and the whole time I was shocked.
00:52:15
Speaker
But I think on some places when I look it up, on IMDB it says rated R. So I don't know what it actually is rated.
00:52:24
Speaker
Or maybe they changed it.
00:52:25
Speaker
But the box I had had PG-13 on the back.
00:52:29
Speaker
Dude, I mean, there's some boobies, but all of the stylized violence is so cartoonish.
00:52:36
Speaker
I don't think it's really that bad.
00:52:40
Speaker
Yeah, no, for sure.
00:52:40
Speaker
That's just me.
00:52:41
Speaker
That's just me.
00:52:44
Speaker
So we've been talking about wanting to make it again.
00:52:46
Speaker
Could you make it again?
00:52:47
Speaker
Dude, I think this would be a great one to make again because it all takes place on one set.
00:52:53
Speaker
It's got a bunch of good parts.
00:52:55
Speaker
You could make it a serialized TV show.
00:52:58
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:58
Speaker
Or you just make it straight up just like action.
00:53:00
Speaker
Just people shooting each other for two hours.
00:53:02
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:53:04
Speaker
You could take this exact movie and just rewrite the dialogue and make the direction normal and I think it would be fun.
00:53:11
Speaker
Like Netflix could do this and it would make money.
00:53:13
Speaker
Yeah, I like the idea of still keeping it stylized, but not with the cuts and stuff.
00:53:20
Speaker
So like somebody that's like A24 buys it, you know how they're like more indie.
00:53:27
Speaker
So they'll find somebody who's very stylistic and let them do it.
00:53:30
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I would want to see.
00:53:33
Speaker
Would you watch it if it was a TV show?
00:53:35
Speaker
I don't watch Yellowstone or 1884.
00:53:37
Speaker
I would check it out.
00:53:39
Speaker
Dude, I didn't even watch the League of Their Own TV show.
00:53:42
Speaker
I just don't.
00:53:43
Speaker
What?
00:53:44
Speaker
I'll go like, I'll watch a part of an episode of a new TV show.
00:53:47
Speaker
I'm like, this seems like it's going to be a lot of work.
00:53:49
Speaker
It seems like homework.
00:53:51
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:52
Speaker
Dude, I think they could make it a TV show.
00:53:55
Speaker
I think a limited TV series or like where you get to focus on each duelist and show their backstory as they come together for each bracket.
00:54:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:05
Speaker
Well, dude, it would be fun.
00:54:06
Speaker
It'd be fun to cast.
00:54:07
Speaker
It'd be fun to rewrite.
00:54:08
Speaker
Like, I think, you know, I don't, I guess Westerns, I don't know if anybody's going to make one, but I'm for it.
00:54:14
Speaker
Did you do any recasting?
00:54:17
Speaker
I did.
00:54:17
Speaker
I did a couple of recastings.
00:54:19
Speaker
So, like, for Herod, I want Christoph Waltz, because I like that dude.
00:54:26
Speaker
Dude, I have exactly Christoph Waltz for Gene Hackman.
00:54:32
Speaker
He could kill that.
00:54:32
Speaker
Because I was looking at actors in their mid-60s, and as soon as I saw him, I was like, that's perfect because he likes to dress up nicely and also be terrifying and completely amoral.
00:54:42
Speaker
He would be perfect for that.
00:54:43
Speaker
Yeah, he would.
00:54:47
Speaker
I know this is pandering to what's going on right now and people now, but I would like Oscar Isaac as the preacher.
00:54:57
Speaker
Yeah, I like that dude, and I think he could play that part.
00:54:59
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:02
Speaker
I didn't recast The Preacher.
00:55:06
Speaker
Florence Pugh.
00:55:07
Speaker
Yeah, I did Florence Pugh as the lady.
00:55:08
Speaker
And then for the kid, I put Chalamet.
00:55:11
Speaker
Timothy Chalamet.
00:55:13
Speaker
He's too old.
00:55:14
Speaker
He's 30.
00:55:14
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:16
Speaker
But he doesn't look... Well, he doesn't look 15.
00:55:19
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:55:22
Speaker
Yeah, I was trying to think of, because I'm like, okay, this movie happened because a powerful actress got offered a project that she could produce.
00:55:30
Speaker
I'm like, who would I want to see that's like Sharon Stone-ish that could just put something like this together?
00:55:37
Speaker
And I looked at a bunch of people, and there's actually a bunch of good options, because mid to late 30s, there's a bunch of great actors that I think could put this together.
00:55:43
Speaker
But I ended up going with Margot Robbie.
00:55:45
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:55:46
Speaker
Because I'm like, I could just see her like producing and starring as a badass lady gunfighter and then hiring everyone else.
00:55:51
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:55:53
Speaker
And then I got Christoph Waltz for the Gene Hackman part.
00:55:55
Speaker
Nice.
00:55:55
Speaker
Just slam dunk.
00:55:57
Speaker
And then I had Zolo Maraduena as the kid, the guy from Cobra Kai.
00:56:03
Speaker
The like dark haired main kid from Cobra Kai.
00:56:06
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:07
Speaker
He's good.
00:56:08
Speaker
He's good.
00:56:09
Speaker
I like him.
00:56:10
Speaker
And he's also like actually young.
00:56:11
Speaker
He's like 22.
00:56:12
Speaker
Like he could put his chest out and be all like, like, uh, what's his name?
00:56:16
Speaker
Oh yeah.
00:56:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:16
Speaker
I think so.
00:56:18
Speaker
Um, but the only like, the only actors I know between 20 and 30 are on Cobra Kai.
00:56:23
Speaker
Cause I don't watch any other teen shows.
00:56:25
Speaker
So I'm going there a lot.
00:56:26
Speaker
Cause there's a bunch of good ones.
00:56:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:28
Speaker
If I start looking up like actors in their twenties, I'm like, I don't know who any of these people are.
00:56:31
Speaker
I don't know.
00:56:32
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:33
Speaker
Every time I look it up, I'm at work and I'm like, should I even be looking this up on my connection at work?
00:56:38
Speaker
I feel dirty.
00:56:39
Speaker
Is my safe search still turned on?
00:56:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:42
Speaker
I remember in the first couple of seasons, it was like every time it was a kid, we were like, yeah, the kids from Stranger Things or whatever.
00:56:48
Speaker
None of us knew.
00:56:49
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:50
Speaker
Neither of us knew.
00:56:50
Speaker
Now the kids from Stranger Things are like, it's like dead in her bathroom.
00:56:54
Speaker
It's like, what?
00:56:55
Speaker
That happened fast.
00:56:57
Speaker
Yeah.
Conclusion: Enjoyment Today
00:56:58
Speaker
They're old.
00:56:58
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:01
Speaker
so can you still watch and enjoy this in 2025 i mean it's campy and over the top but if that's your thing it is pretty campy but if you like westerns or if you like sam raimi uh i actually i think it's pretty fun yeah or if you like uh sharon stone playing batman dude it's an easy watch i mean you can rent it on amazon prime or youtube it's not i didn't find it streaming anywhere um but like it's an hour 40 like
00:57:28
Speaker
Alan Silvestri does the score, not his best work, but I like that guy.
00:57:31
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:32
Speaker
Yeah, I think it's a fun one.
00:57:34
Speaker
It'd be a great one to go, I'm going to put this on while I do something on my phone because every 10 minutes there's going to be a gunfight.
00:57:41
Speaker
I'll watch that part and then the rest I can skip.
00:57:44
Speaker
Right.
00:57:45
Speaker
Although the end, the closure that it gives, would be nice if you knew this story.
00:57:51
Speaker
Really good.
00:57:52
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:53
Speaker
Thanks, Josh Whedon.
00:57:54
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:55
Speaker
Well done.
00:57:55
Speaker
All right.
00:57:57
Speaker
Speaking of Joss Whedon.
00:57:59
Speaker
Thanks for listening.
00:58:00
Speaker
We, yeah, we'll do, we got Plane, Strains, and Automobiles coming out pretty soon on Patreon.
00:58:05
Speaker
Nice.
00:58:05
Speaker
And next up on the main feed, we're going to go full out and just do Toy Story.
00:58:10
Speaker
Toy Story.
00:58:11
Speaker
Who wrote that one?
00:58:14
Speaker
Come on.
00:58:17
Speaker
He didn't write it, but he did do a bunch of rewrites on it.
00:58:20
Speaker
Yeah, he helped a lot.
00:58:22
Speaker
Yeah, he did a lot.
00:58:22
Speaker
Which we've been watching a lot at my house because my kid's almost four, and so Toy Story is going around the horn.
00:58:30
Speaker
They're all awesome.
00:58:33
Speaker
Not like number two, though.
00:58:35
Speaker
I've been trying to tell people number two is better than number one, but Wolf is even saying, like, he just runs around the house going like,
00:58:42
Speaker
Get out of the way, you hockey puck.
00:58:46
Speaker
He doesn't know what any of this means.
00:58:48
Speaker
He's like, you uncultured swine.
00:58:50
Speaker
He's quoting stuff like he's supposed to.
00:58:53
Speaker
Yeah, exactly right.
00:58:55
Speaker
That's right.
00:58:55
Speaker
All right.
00:58:57
Speaker
Vaya con Dios.
00:58:58
Speaker
Vaya con Dios.
00:59:01
Speaker
Always takes a count of the scene a second.
00:59:04
Speaker
Dude, this shit is so slow.
00:59:08
Speaker
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00:59:10
Speaker
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00:59:12
Speaker
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