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Jeff: What took you so long? I would have been here earlier. I was thinking about that.
JT Spangler: I was thinking of that ham on rye lumber, ham on rye line.
Jeff: i on ry bit
Jeff: Oh man, that's great.
JT Spangler: Yeah. This, uh, this movie had even more quotes than I was remembering. And I already, there was a couple in there that I liked.
Jeff: Yeah. There was a whole bunch that I always say. And I was like, Oh man, there's even more than I remember. That was great.
JT Spangler: Yeah. If you're a if you're one of the people who watches this on video, you'll notice that I'm in somewhere different. I'm actually ah in Hammond because I don't have power in Nashville, day seven. So I got the got the glass blocks behind me.
Jeff: oof Oh,
JT Spangler: Like I've called Jeff into my office to talk about an HR violation.
Jeff: I've already been there numerous times.
JT Spangler: You have to stop saying that you're touching the youth of America.
Jeff: HR doesn't scare me anymore.
JT Spangler: Parents don't like that.
Jeff: No, I'm fingering the pulse of America's youth.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: a Movie Life Crisis Season 6, Episode 3, The Long Kiss Goodnight.
Jeff: That's different.
JT Spangler: The super extra long kiss goodnight.
Jeff: Yes. um Very long kiss goodnight. I, dude, cult classic. freaking forgot how fun this was.
JT Spangler: ah wait Because I'm back home at my parents' house and I have racks and racks of DVDs that I've, this is where they all live. And and they're full of but movies that we've done on the podcast.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: So i was looking through there last night. i was like, maybe I have this. I know I owned this. It's not there.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: I already took several trash bags of DVDs to the used bookstore in Nashville and traded them in for store credit.
Jeff: let
JT Spangler: But that might have been in that pile.
Jeff: yeah Oh no. I'm scared. Cat wants me to get rid of all of them. Cause it's like big plastic cases. I was just telling this dude at work, Ledford, he was like, Oh yeah, I got records in these VHS tapes and my wife makes me get rid of them.
Jeff: i was like, Oh man, I got so many DVDs. And my wife is just like, when you going to turn, like go sell those or something or just throw them away? look throw What the, when this whole thing collapses, you're going to be glad we have all these movies.
Jeff: She's like, I don't like any of these movies.
JT Spangler: Yeah, don't don't throw them away. I'll say you that much because we lost power for seven days. So I lost power to the server where all my movies live. So I'm i'm having to look at stuff.
Jeff: Oh, no. Yeah.
JT Spangler: on and And also some of the stuff, some of the DVDs in my priceless collection that lives in my parents' house, even though I'm 45, is like stuff that I don't even think you can find on the internet.
Jeff: Watch regular TV.
JT Spangler: Like BB Mac, Music in High Places, I don't think I can even download that.
Jeff: Oh, we were just listening.
JT Spangler: Like I think I got to own that.
Jeff: to We were listening to BB Mac on the way home from the basketball game today. That's weird that she said that.
JT Spangler: Yeah. so there's some stuff in there. I'm like, this is a priceless artifact. Dude. Speaking of, I said on the last episode that I got my kid into the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon from the eighties.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And we, we fled the no power to my parents' house. And I was telling Wendy, I was like, I'll go to target. I'll get wolves, some Ninja Turtles stuff just so he's got stuff to play with. So we're about to, and my mom was like, look what I found. It's a huge basket of like 25 Ninja Turtles from when me and my brother were kids.
Jeff: ah That's great.
JT Spangler: It's fricking straight up antique turtles. So, uh,
Jeff: yeah It's like that one Donatello that sits and by the roof of a Mariners watches everybody eat kicking chicken. um Antique. Dude, that's awesome that she still had them.
Jeff: That's crazy.
JT Spangler: It was ridiculous. Yeah, so my kid is fully ready to take 30 Ninja Turtles back home. i was like, we're not taking all those. He's like, well, you said they're mine now. I want to take them.
Jeff: Yeah. You got to have something when you come down here though.
JT Spangler: yes
Jeff: So you only take one of each.
JT Spangler: Yeah. like We'll take one of each. We'll take a full set. It's going to be great. But um yeah, man.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Long kiss, goodnight. Give us a synopsis.
Jeff: Synopsis. An amnesiac mom discovers she's actually a CIA assassin and goes on the run with a low rent PI as her past catches up fast.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Oh, man.
JT Spangler: Gina Davis and Samuel L. Jackson.
Jeff: Dude, the the chemistry these two have. Unbelievable.
JT Spangler: They're great, man. And I was trying to, I was trying to like, I didn't, we got to Louisiana and we drove 11 hours and I was like, I got to watch that movie. And when he was like, you're to watch it tonight. I was like, no, I don't really want to. And she's like, well, you should.
JT Spangler: I was like, I know, but I'm in a bad mood now. And if I watch movies when I'm in a bad mood, then I i don't like to talk about them because I didn't think it's very good.
Jeff: Then you give it a be yeah but a bad review.
JT Spangler: I'm like, i need to wait.
Jeff: Well, how far did you drive before you watch Captain Ron then?
JT Spangler: I need to get a good night's sleep.
Jeff: Oh,
JT Spangler: That was zero miles. I went nowhere. That's what it took. o
Jeff: oh man. Maybe you should have drove and you would have liked it.
JT Spangler: Yeah, but yeah, so I was like, let me put it off. Let me watch it the next day. so Just let me get get my mind right. But even still, i was like, this shit is taking forever. um And everybody I talked to were like, what movie are you doing? I'm telling them. And Wendy's like, I'd never heard of that. My dad's like, I don't think I remember that one i was like, how did me and Jeff, were how are we the only ones that remember this movie?
Jeff: I do. There's, there have been people that I've talked to that remembered it, ah but none of the kids that I talked.
JT Spangler: Like it's from it's it's it's it's from Shane Black who wrote Lethal Weapon. It's from Rennie Harlan who directed Die Hard 2 and who's married to Geena Davis. It's got freaking Geena Davis.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: It's like it's when I'm watching I'm like, it's clear that this was set up to be a big movie by New Line.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Like there's a bunch of outdoor shoots. There's a bunch of different locations. There's expensive action sequences. Like it's it's clear they thought this was going to be a blockbuster.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: They put the money in.
Jeff: Right. I think, um I don't know, man. This is Independence Day comes out before this. That's a huge movie. This, I don't know if people are thinking it's trying to live up to that hype or something. I don't know.
Jeff: it I mean, it on rental, though, it made money.
JT Spangler: Yeah, but compared to the two big action movies, yeah, I think so. But compared to the two big action movies of this year, Twister and in Independence Day, this is not anywhere near in the same class, like both from a gross standpoint, also just from like how good of a movie it is.
Jeff: Right. Right.
Jeff: Right, right.
JT Spangler: $65 million dollars budget, $95 million dollars gross, one and a half multiplier, which means it technically probably did not make back its budget by the time you figure in like the advertising spend and all that fun stuff.
Jeff: Right. um Yeah, I'm sure they're disappointed with that, but dude, i don't.
JT Spangler: Everybody involved still says they like, like Samuel L. Jackson said, based on Kimmel just a couple of years ago, this is one of his favorite characters. It's one of the favorite movies of his to watch. And Geena Davis said, like, she loved it.
Jeff: That's Yeah.
JT Spangler: She loved working with Samuel L. Rennie Harlan, the director, thinks it's one of the best movies he's ever done. Everybody, like, still likes it. They just didn't do that well.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's definitely stuff that I could say like, we didn't need that. We could cut that out and make it a little tighter and maybe more people like it. But dude, the back and forth, it just feels so natural with these two.
JT Spangler: well
Jeff: I don't know why.
JT Spangler: Well, that's the that was the weird thing to me, man. It's like, it's two hours long, and I was bored during the most exciting part of the movie, which is like the action the final action set piece, the climax of the whole film, shit's blowing up everywhere, and I was like, this is not, I don't even like this part.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: I want this to be over.
Jeff: Yeah, I want them to go back.
JT Spangler: But the part that wasn't boring was was when Geena Davis and Samuel L. Jackson are doing stuff together. Like, that shit was awesome.
Jeff: Right, when they're talking back and forth.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah, that was the best part. That was the best part.
JT Spangler: Like that, like them two in scenes together was incredible. But then the action part was like, this is, I don't even remember why they're fighting that guy. Like, why did that explode? This is taking forever.
Jeff: Yeah, dude, i didn't have any ill will towards the guy. i didn't know why I was supposed to hate him. I couldn't remember.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Well, he had that thin beard, which you could tell in the nineties meant he was a villain.
Jeff: Ah, yes. He was good looking, thin beard, must be the bad guy.
JT Spangler: Did you have any awards for this?
Jeff: There are some Saturn awards. She was, Gina Davis was nominated for Best Actress. um No major awards, though.
JT Spangler: Nice.
Jeff: No.
JT Spangler: Do they still make Saturn the cars or did those go out of business?
Jeff: No, Saturn and the cars are gone.
JT Spangler: Okay.
Jeff: There's a kid that drives a Saturn, and he told me ah the story about how he brought it to the place, and they were like, son, we can't fix this anymore.
Jeff: He had to go to like a junkyard and get like pieces to bring to our actual like family mechanic.
JT Spangler: Well, dude, there's there should be plenty of them in the junkyards because there was one on every corner back in the day.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: What about Saturn, the video game console?
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: They still make those?
Jeff: I don't think so. Wasn't that a Sega? No.
JT Spangler: Yeah, Sega Saturn.
Jeff: Saturn. Yeah. Yeah.
JT Spangler: I also set up, ah by the way, during the before when the ice storm hit before we lost power, I set up my Apple TV with ah with an n NES emulator so that Wolf could play Excitebike.
Jeff: Ooh, excite bike.
JT Spangler: because he's four, so he's never played video games. He can't do the direction and the buttons at the same time, but he loves it.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah, of course he does. Does he overheat all the time?
JT Spangler: And I was like, dude, we're going to ride this ice storm out. We're going to play freaking Mario Brothers. And then the power went out immediately and never came back on. um ah
Jeff: We're going to ride this out. 11 hour drive. Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah. after after After handing hotels, like you just I'm going to hand you my wallet.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: You give me back what you think I deserve.
JT Spangler: um and sequels. They talked about doing a sequel to this in 2007, 11 years later. I don't know why. i don't know why they talked about it. I don't know why they didn't do it.
Jeff: um I want just these two to hang out and have a movie like that.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: i want the same dynamic, but maybe don't try to make it an action movie. I don't know. I don't know how you do that, though.
JT Spangler: Yeah, a lot of flashbacks. I don't know.
Jeff: Yeah, there you go. ah Yeah, i don't know.
JT Spangler: It'd be... Nobody ever does it, but it'd be cool to have like in, like you think about like a Riggs and Murtaugh, not Riggs cause Mel Gibson's horrible, but like that type of like old action stars where they just sit in rocking chairs and just, and they talk about their action. And when it flashes back, then it's like animated. That's what I want.
JT Spangler: Like, like manga style anime flashbacks, but then it's just two old guys that are two old people, Geena Davis and Samuel L just talking about their adventures.
Jeff: um
Jeff: Yeah. So it's their, them as their characters. They're not telling you about the movie making process, right? They're telling you about, okay.
JT Spangler: No, no, they're they're they're in character.
Jeff: Oh, nice. Yeah.
JT Spangler: And they both really like their characters, so I think they're i think they're on board.
Jeff: I would watch that. Yeah. I would watch that. I would watch that.
JT Spangler: We could do it for like five million bucks. It's going so much cheaper.
Jeff: We could have ai we could have a, I just draw it for us. we we We're done.
JT Spangler: i got an AI story to tell you after we get done filming. um
Jeff: Oh no.
JT Spangler: Do you remember when and where you first saw this?
Jeff: I do remember. I saw this the day after Halloween um at the theater in Hammond. And I remember because um it came out before Halloween, I think, but the,
JT Spangler: Yeah, it came out like second week of October.
Jeff: Yeah, I remember seeing this at the late show after Eckerd's walking down, keeping my car parked in the same spot, taking my snacks that I bought with my Eckerd discount down to the thing and walking in.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: And the lady or the girl or whoever that was doing the ticket thing between the two doors was dressed in a Halloween costume. And I thought it was weird that it was November 1st and she was wearing that.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah, and she thought it was weird that you came in wearing a smock.
Jeff: yeah No, I lost the smock. I lost the smock. I took that off. But um that's the only reason I remember going to see this, which is weird to me.
JT Spangler: Dude, that's awesome. I don't remember. i know I own this. i know. I guess you probably told me about it. Like, hey, I saw this movie. It's hilarious. You should check it out. But I don't remember seeing it.
Jeff: Yeah. I mean, if you saw it on your TV at your parents' house, it was a bigger screen than when I saw it on at the Hammond Theater the first time. So it's...
JT Spangler: i had to wait I had to wait for it to come out in new releases at Blockbuster and go rent it, and it was like $3.99, but i had to bring it back and I had to make sure I rewound it.
Jeff: You had to bring it back in an hour and a half and it's a two hour movie.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Too many Lake Beasts.
JT Spangler: Had to watch it in the car. Had to watch it the Ginobiles full-size van that had the VHS TV combo.
Jeff: oh hu Dude, I freaking love riding in there because we used to get to watch Donald and Math Magic Land and I used to love that VHS.
Jeff: That was my jam.
JT Spangler: Yeah, man, the full-size van back in the day, you're like this. I've lived in apartments that weren't as comfortable as this full-size van for the tiniest family. They could have all fit in a motorcycle with a sidecar and they hit the biggest, plushiest van.
Jeff: Ah, dude, I like that fan.
JT Spangler: Yeah, it was great.
Jeff: Awesome.
JT Spangler: right, where'd you rate Yeah.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: um Dude, I felt the same way about the action sequences. I was just like, eh. Like ah it's very 1996 special effects, which took me out of it because like Twister had 96 special effects, but they were special.
Jeff: These were not as special. um So it took me out of it for the action sequences. But damn, dude, I like their banter back and forth so much that I gave it an eight.
Jeff: Say eight.
JT Spangler: Yeah. The first half of the movie, I was thinking for sure it was going to be an easy eight. And then the second half, i was like, this is taking forever.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: um
Jeff: It didn't. Yeah.
JT Spangler: I got to get out of here. And then I bumped it down ah to a six and a half.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And then I slept on it and thought about it some more. bumped it down again to a six.
Jeff: Nice.
JT Spangler: cause I was like, dude, i that why was that movie so confusing and complicated towards the end?
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Why did it have to be a whole... Like, they were talking to the president in the basement, and then there was like a whole...
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: It was just about...
Jeff: What?
JT Spangler: they was They were going to fake a terrorist attack to get budgets. i'm like, this is unnecessarily complicated.
Jeff: Yeah, and what was Brian Cox even there for?
JT Spangler: Just to give one of my favorite lines of the whole movie, but otherwise I don't know.
Jeff: Is it about the dog?
JT Spangler: Yes!
Jeff: Alice, your dog.
JT Spangler: yeah I typed the whole thing up on my phone because I like, I got to capture that for the the podcast listeners.
Jeff: Oh,
JT Spangler: that's a That's a beautiful piece of writing that he delivered perfectly.
Jeff: God. That guy just...
JT Spangler: But as I'm saying, like it was the second half was overly complicated and i didn't...
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.
JT Spangler: like it It was just like Lethal Weapon, buddy cop movie. Why not just do that?
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: It's so good. They're so good together.
Jeff: Yeah. Oh,
JT Spangler: And also like the freaking Samuel L. Jackson's outfits were amazing.
Jeff: dude. When he takes Brian...
JT Spangler: They were so cold. He was wearing like, he was wearing a fricking beret that looked like it was made out of like, like, like sheep.
Jeff: co
Jeff: When he got dressed out of Brian Cox's trunk and he was standing there and I was like, he looks like a freaking leprechaun.
JT Spangler: It was like neon.
Jeff: What does he do? And this is awesome.
JT Spangler: He looks like a leprechaun who's caddying for the PGA. he's But it was so cold, ah the stuff that he was wearing. and like And then ah when Geena Davis did the blonde hair with like dark eyeshadow, was like, all right, she looks ah if they look awesome too.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: But the the soundtrack was unbelievable.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: She freaking threw him out of a moving vehicle while stubborn kind of fellow played, and he just laid on the pavement smoking a cigarette. I was like, this is so perfect.
Jeff: Yeah, he just lights up. And he's like laying on the ground and he's leaning over. And I was like, what's he doing? Oh, that's right. He's lighting up a cigarette. And it's like right outside of a club and there's a bunch of people waiting in line. Yeah, it's great.
JT Spangler: Yeah, but that but the whole second half, the whole third act, it just really dragged.
Jeff: That's great.
JT Spangler: It got overly complicated. I thought the action stuff was boring. I mean, there's a couple incredible action sequences, but the whole final one, I was like, this is this is like the a different movie that they got jammed into this one that I don't like as much.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. I like the whole, uh, filling up the baby doll with gasoline or something, kerosene, and then chipping away and then blowing the whole wall out.
JT Spangler: Kerosene or whatever. Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: Like I didn't, I didn't know what was going on. I was like, I don't remember this. This is extra.
JT Spangler: Yeah, so I don't know.
Jeff: Uh,
JT Spangler: Because I was trying to think, because there was a part in the middle of the movie, there's a couple scenes where I didn't like Geena Davis' performance, and I was like... And I was like, all right, maybe it's her. Maybe it's, maybe I don't like Geena Davis in this. So then the the whole second half of the movie, the question I kept asking myself is if this was Charlize Theron, would I like it any better? Cause I feel like she'd be great at that.
JT Spangler: And I was, and by the end of it, I was like, no, she wouldn't have done any better.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: She, Geena Davis is awesome. There was a couple, couple of spots where she probably wasn't directed very well, or she wasn't edited very well that didn't like, but for the most part, she was bad-ass and like, there's nobody I could have replaced her with that I would have, that would have made it any better.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Right. That freaking water reel scene was pretty awesome too.
JT Spangler: Yeah, for sure.
Jeff: Um, Yeah, but I could see swapping her around for Charlize Theron. You're right. Like that kind of action. she's She's done an action movie like that. I can't remember what it's called, but...
JT Spangler: She's done a couple. She's done like the old guard on Netflix, but she like, she can be that, like, she could be like the sweet mom and then like the total badass.
Jeff: Oh, yeah.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: She's too old if we remake this in 2026, but I was just thinking like, who could I, who's like this tall statuesque badass kick ass kicker lady.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And I was like, Charlize would be my first choice of my life, but she wouldn't have made the movie any better.
Jeff: Our...
JT Spangler: Gina Davis was awesome.
Jeff: Our other daughter, Dottie's sister.
JT Spangler: Her other daughter.
Jeff: All right, so let's do the best. What's your first best scene?
JT Spangler: Um, my first best scene was the, when we first meet Samuel L. Jackson in the movie. She, so she's, she's a Gina Davis is a, is an assassin who's lost her memory. It's Jason Bourne shit. She's got a a wife and I mean, she's got a kid and a fiance and she doesn't know that she used to be a spy.
JT Spangler: And so she's hired a private investigator, Samuel Jackson, to try to figure out where she came from.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And when we see Samuel Jackson for the first time, he's basically shaking down a guy who's like hired a prostitute and he's pretending to be a police officer to scam him. And all the shit that he's saying is cracking me up.
JT Spangler: And his his other police officers that he's hired to accompany him are homeless guys who are like hiccuping and can't remember any of the Miranda stuff.
Jeff: you have them a right the my the right You have the right to remain silent. and it out ah
JT Spangler: and and And the lady pretended to be the prostitute. It's his partner. And he's like ripping on her. He's like, I can see by your choice of companion that you don't have a lot of money, but we can make this go away if you just give me a little bit of money.
Jeff: Yeah. Ah, great.
JT Spangler: And I was like, dude, that's such a perfect intro for Samuel L. and He's freaking great at it. He's a great crooked cop who's scamming people who is now a private investigator.
Jeff: Yes. Um, I, dude, that is a great, cause that's where he says the, uh, assumption makes the ass out of you an umption. Uh, that is, uh, dude, that's and what he's like, says something about going to prison He's like, he says dirty words, so I'm trying not to say them, but he's like, he's like, if you think the case is getting thrown out because it's too violent, I will personally pay someone to rape you in the butt all the time.
JT Spangler: Yeah, yeah.
Jeff: So if you like butt raping, if you're a butt raping fan, keep it, go ahead and mouth off.
JT Spangler: yeah
Jeff: That's fantastic. He, God, Sam Jackson. It, it,
JT Spangler: He's fantastic, dude. And the dialogue in this movie is incredible. The plotting was weak and the dialogue was incredible.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And the the two of them, Geena Davis and Samuel Jackson, their delivery, the whole movie was freaking fantastic.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah. His delivery. He's just cool. I want to be cool like him
JT Spangler: Well, that's why I mean, yes, he's in my characters, obviously. And I was like, dude, Samuel L.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Jackson is always cool. In every movie, you could just say like, describe Samuel L. Jackson in one word and you would just probably say cool.
Jeff: Cool. Yeah.
JT Spangler: But to me, like this is as cool as he ever is, except for maybe Pulp Fiction.
Jeff: Dude, like when he's, you know, the scene where they're, they go to the phone place and they try to tap into the hotel's phone or whatever.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: He's like sitting there and he's got his feet up on the desk crossed and he's holding the gun and he's got the headset on and the phone rings and he just leans over and taps the, taps the space bar.
Jeff: And he says like, ah this is Chad.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: How may I help you? Like, dude, he's just so smooth and cool. I freaking want to be like him. He's awesome.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: It's awesome.
JT Spangler: He's a great role model. Uh, as so long as you don't care about language.
Jeff: I'm going to buy it.
JT Spangler: Uh, what are you a Mormon?
Jeff: i'm gonna buy
JT Spangler: Yes. Yes. I'm a Mormon. That's why I just smoked a pack of Newports and drank six vodka tonics.
Jeff: Oh man. What up with that? um Dude.
JT Spangler: What's, what's your first scene?
Jeff: My first one is when she is cutting vegetables and her knife skills start to come out.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Throw me something else.
Jeff: She's like, yeah, she's like casually chopping the vegetables and muscle memory takes over and she just starts chopping at a superhuman speed. And like her knife skills are awakened.
Jeff: She, Then she he throws her a tomato and she's like balancing the knife on the tip of her finger on the tip of the knife. And she throws the thing up and sticks it and says, chefs do that. um Freaking great. Cause that's like her. It's so slowly starting to come through.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: Yeah, she she gets in a car wreck and she like flies through the window because she wasn't wearing a seatbelt because it's the 90s.
Jeff: like it. Yeah. Yeah.
JT Spangler: And then she starts to like have her original identity come back to her. But she doesn't know before that she knows nothing about who she was before. And she's she's like getting all excited. She's like, hey, look, I used to do this. I'm a chef. Throw me another vegetable.
JT Spangler: He's like throwing her peppers and throwing her tomatoes. And then she freaking throws the knife and sticks the tomato to the wall.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: and then everyone's like, all right, that's weird. she She just goes, chefs do that.
Jeff: yeah what about What about the guy who was in the car with her that made her get in the accident and almost hit the deer because he was pretending to be sober and grabbed her boobie.
Jeff: Then the freaking car was on fire and he was sitting in the front seat.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: she jumped She stood up, walked through the water like Princess Anna and then snapped the neck of the deer and then passed out.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: So she didn't even take him out of the car. Did he die?
JT Spangler: I don't know. I hope so. He, ah yeah, I like that she got flung from the vehicle and the car was on fire. And instead of thinking like, oh, my passenger is old. I should check on him. She's like, let me just take this deer and just snap his neck.
Jeff: Yeah, you got to put the deer out of its misery. that other guy can burn up.
JT Spangler: And yeah, then let me just lay down in the snow and take a little snooze. Yeah, i got i have a I have a quote from that scene coming up later on. my My second scene also takes place in the car. It's obviously Samuel L. Jackson and Geena Davis riding in the car.
Jeff: God bless.
JT Spangler: because i can't remember that it was maybe more than one time but I think it was the one main was the first one we the one that like one of the quotes we always do it's like it was like you cold like I turn on the heater for you doesn't work but makes a very annoying noise it distracts you from being cold but then in that same scene they're like talking about she's accusing him of being like a low rent PI and he's like telling the story about how he was a crooked cop and how he like he didn't get set up he actually was crooked and and then he's like yells
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah. She was like, oh, so they planted him. He's like, hell no. I stole them things.
JT Spangler: He's like, no, I still love me. ah And he's like, yell yells out the window at a jogger. And and she had like a long talk. She's like, I'm sure that you made her day by hooting out the window. like, wasn't hooting. I was just admiring her form.
JT Spangler: But like, there's a whole conversation about whether it's okay to cat call women out of moving vehicles.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: But dude, it's all their back and forth.
Jeff: He's like, man, you can see them things coming around the corner. Got time to fix your hair.
JT Spangler: But dude, it's great. It's great dialogue. It's great delivery. It's the absolute essence of what this movie should have been.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Should have been more of that. Yeah. um Yeah. One of my quotes is actually ah from that scene because he's singing a song and he's I'd really love to see you tonight.
Jeff: And he's like, I'm not talking about the linens.
JT Spangler: Yeah. I'm not talking about the Linens.
Jeff: And she's like,
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: She's like, moving in. He's like, what? It's like, it's not linen. This song's not about linen. He's like, whatever. That's freaking great. um
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, the soundtrack is incredible. i don't know if they released it anywhere, but there was nothing but bangers in the background of this movie.
Jeff: Yeah, it is
Jeff: is. Yeah, but it wasn't like songs made for this movie, right? Like most of the ones I heard were like
JT Spangler: No.
Jeff: little Marvin Gaye song and the like, uh, Moulin Rouge and stuff like that.
JT Spangler: No, dude, it was, yeah, was a lot of like Motown era stuff. It was just great. Yeah.
Jeff: Not Moulin Rouge. What's it called? Is that, is that the, wasn't that what was playing when she was doing the, uh, the cool roll the shot glass and do the shot and then drop it.
JT Spangler: Was it, was it Lady Marmalade?
Jeff: Yeah. Lady Marmalade. That's what it was.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Um, dude, my, my second one is the water wheel torture thing.
JT Spangler: What's your next scene?
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: um she's tied to a a water wheel inside this mill or barn or wherever they are. And he just keeps like cranking it and lowering her back underwater.
Jeff: And every time she goes underwater, he waits it out to see if she can pop back up and then ask her more questions and see if she'll give up the information.
Jeff: And while she's down there, she sees Brian Cox down there and she remembers that, you know, he's got, he's got, I've got talking about how many guns he's got. I've got one here, one here, one down here by Mr.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: Willie. And she remembers that and reaches down in there and pulls it up. And the next time did next time they pull her up, he shoots, she shoots him. That's freaking great. I love how they built that up and she's like screaming and her face is all like white with purple lips.
Jeff: Cause it's so cold.
JT Spangler: Well, and the more dunk her, the more they dunker the more her
Jeff: That's fantastic.
JT Spangler: memory comes back to her and so she starts out as like the housewife and she's like begging and she's screaming and she's like please don't kill me and then by like the last one she's like the cold-blooded assassin lady and she's like i'm gonna kill you like just in a few minutes like this is not over else it's like like she's like tell him she's like i think i'm she's like i think i should go for another swim i'm ready
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah. That's freaking great.
JT Spangler: Yeah, and dude in that and that guy, David Morse, is he's ah he's a great one of those, like, oh, that guy, I've seen him in stuff.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: like He's in The Rock later this year, which is what I always recognize him from, but he's in a million things.
Jeff: Yeah, he is in the rock.
JT Spangler: He's in Green Mile. um He's in like Treme and a bunch of stuff.
Jeff: ah Dude, and he it doesn't it seem like he always kind of plays that same type of character? like it's all i Like, he's like always a cop, it feels like, or somebody in the military.
JT Spangler: Yeah, a little bit.
Jeff: I like that, dude.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: he he He's good at what he does.
JT Spangler: Me too. He was awesome. But yeah, that's ah that was a great scene. And I was also thinking, I was like, I wonder if I didn't know that this guy wrote Lethal Weapon, if I'd be able to figure it out just from the amount of times he had characters underwater.
JT Spangler: Like the underwater torture.
Jeff: nobody had Nobody had to put their shoulder back into the socket, so I wouldn't have guessed it.
JT Spangler: I know, I was kind of waiting. I was like, does she dislocate something to get out of there? No, she just takes the gun from Brian Cox.
Jeff: She just, yeah, she just yanks it out. um Also, Samuel Jackson isn't getting too old for this shit, so, yeah.
JT Spangler: No. No. No, dude, he he looks freaking young. I like that even young Samuel L. Jackson still looks old.
Jeff: Yeah. um He doesn't look that much different now to me.
JT Spangler: Yeah, I mean, he's 47 when this movie comes out, so he's like basically our age at this point in time, and I'm like, young Samuel L.
Jeff: yeah Yeah, he's my age.
JT Spangler: Jackson looks like old Samuel L. Jackson.
Jeff: Yeah, black doll crack. um what is What's your third one?
JT Spangler: my My third one is the... is the train, the train station action setting sequence.
Jeff: That's my third one.
JT Spangler: It was freaking great, man. they So she's trying to figure, she's like figuring out who she is. I used to be Charlie Baltimore. I was all about killing people. going to call the people and meet up with my handler and whatever. And she doesn't, but she doesn't, she takes Samuel L.
JT Spangler: I got the new, I got the new COVID, whatever that is. Um,
JT Spangler: I'm ready. bring Bring sweet release, Jesus. Take me home. ah she
Jeff: but
JT Spangler: She goes in there with Samuel L. She's going to meet the guy, but she doesn't remember any of them. And so the guy who's the villain like comes up to her at the bar and pretends to hit on her. She doesn't recognize him at all. He's like, you don't know me at all. and she's like no, I don't. He's like, my bad, Don. Get out of here.
JT Spangler: And dude, freaking gunmen come in from everywhere. And she she jumps. She sticks her hand into Samuel L's jacket pocket because that's where his gun is. And she freaking shoots a bunch of them.
JT Spangler: And then they're running and it's like, there's guys coming in that way. like, not that way.
Jeff: How does she know the guns in his right pocket?
JT Spangler: And then, because he's doing the freaking Randy Newman singing what he's doing all the time.
Jeff: He said,
JT Spangler: Put my jacket on, put my gun in my pocket.
Jeff: why don't you just stick it in your pants? Oh yeah. so I can shoot my dig off. It's just like, Oh, now you're a sharpshooter. who
JT Spangler: But that's what I mean, dude. The characterization's really good. The whole movie, he's like, bo no no no no put my keys in my left pocket, boing i on no no put my gun in my right. And he's like, if I sing what I'm doing, then I remember it. and
Jeff: Oh man.
JT Spangler: But anyway, that that action scene was great.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: That was the most powerful grenade ever captured on film. It blew up the whole like third story of that building.
Jeff: the The whole building blew up. um Yeah, dude.
JT Spangler: But that was when they jumped out the window. that's and they And as they're falling, she's shooting the ice, the iced over lake with her a machine gun, and they go under the ice.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah. I don't want to be that stunt person. Um, the,
JT Spangler: That was, you don't want to be the actors either, because Geena Davis said they actually filmed them coming up out of the ice in the icy lake.
Jeff: And cut.
JT Spangler: Yeah, she's, because she was like, we have, we because it's they kept going under the, they they thought they were going to be doing it indoors on a soundstage, like with heated water, and the director, her husband, was like, no, no, we're doing it in the lake.
Jeff: I'm out.
Jeff: Yeah. Right. Right.
JT Spangler: We already cut a hole right there, and she's like, okay. Yeah. And so she's just like, we'd go underwater, we'd come up, and then we would sprint to the hot tub and get in the hot tub and like our teeth would be chattering and Samuel was trying to light a cigarette even though his hands were shaking.
JT Spangler: We'd go like, that was the worst thing I've ever done. And then he would come over go like, we got to do it again. you guys didn't pop up at the same
Jeff: We didn't get it. we've We forgot to turn on the camera. Sorry.
JT Spangler: You guys didn't pop up at the same time. You didn't pop up a high enough.
Jeff: har
JT Spangler: he he got We need more pop. ah And so they had to keep doing it in the actual frozen lake.
Jeff: Oh, jeez.
Jeff: That's great.
JT Spangler: But yeah, dude, that was a great action sequence.
Jeff: um Yeah, dude, I like how like, also in a lot of these things, again, these guys are shooting like stormtroopers. They're not, they have machine guns, but they keep missing them.
Jeff: But they are killing the hell out of everybody. Like the innocent bystanders, Like the guy that I don't, I've never ridden a train where I needed to have ah a, like a suitcase.
Jeff: I don't know how it works, but there was a guy like pushing a cart full of suitcases and he got like lit up and fell in the suitcases.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: There were people walking down the stairs that were getting shot. And I was like, God, they're shooting everybody, but the people that they're trying to shoot, I don't. i don't I don't understand why that was happening. But then they got to the the third floor and he's like, all right, you just pull back, just start squeezing and spraying. Ready, one, two, and then you see the grenade that's going to blow up the entire floor.
Jeff: And they took off running.
JT Spangler: We'll do that. was there like making a plan in the third floor hallway. And she's, has apparently come back to her house mom self. She's like, I don't know how to use the machine gun. He's like, it's super easy. And like, they're like, he's like laying down the plan and a grenade rolls up onto their feet and he just goes, fuck it, let's run.
JT Spangler: And they just, they turn around and jump out the window.
Jeff: yeah what know Yeah.
JT Spangler: And it was the hugest grenade explosion ever captured on film. I promise you.
Jeff: Yeah, there was like flames they were running from. That was bananas.
JT Spangler: Yeah, I think, uh,
JT Spangler: Yeah, that that was, ah that's but that one that action sequence is one that the actors talked about a lot because it was cold and they didn't like it, but it was freaking awesome.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: I almost put the thing with the one-eyed Jack where that guy breaks out of jail and comes and finds her.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: And she's like fighting him off. And dude, like the amount of times Gina Davis looked like she took a hit to the face. Like, I know he's not really punching her, but like he hit her on the side of the head with the, I'm sure it was sugar glass.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: It's not a real dish, but like she got hit in the face and like, like that was Gina Davis in there.
JT Spangler: Right.
Jeff: That was closeup shots. Yeah. Like, that was that's crazy.
JT Spangler: Yeah, she said she did a lot of this. she I mean, she didn't do like the jumping out of the window from the third floor, but she did a lot of the like fighting like stunts, stunt work herself.
Jeff: Right, right.
Jeff: that's Dude, she was taking it up upside the head.
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, she was a badass. That's another like plot point that didn't need to be there. Like there's some guy who breaks out of prison to go and attack.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Like we couldn't, I didn't need that.
Jeff: Yeah. And i I mean, I see that, remember they showed like a a
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: from the trunk scene, like the camera was from the trunk and one eye Jack still had his eye and he was gonna, he's like, don't try anything cute or anything like that.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Like
JT Spangler: They show the flashback that because that he was the one who, you know, whatever shot her and she fell into the ocean and then she woke up with amnesia.
Jeff: supposed to.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: But also like, I didn't, we didn't need that.
Jeff: God. Didn't need that.
JT Spangler: We could done without it.
Jeff: Yeah, we didn't need that. I'm gonna, you're gonna do a fan edit of this.
JT Spangler: Um,
Jeff: I'll watch that.
JT Spangler: I like yeah that A, you think I have time for that, and B, that you think I care enough for that.
Jeff: Not with your six and a half, six, six, excuse me.
JT Spangler: It'd be a great movie. It'd be ah could be a great movie to do that, too.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: what's ah What's your... all right, let's do quotes. What's your first quote?
Jeff: My first one is chefs do that.
JT Spangler: Chefs do that. I left that off. That's a classic one, though.
Jeff: Yeah, I did that only because it's classic and I can't do all the other 15 Samuel Jackson quotes that I wanted to do.
JT Spangler: Yeah, I'll take care of that.
Jeff: um Yeah. So what's your first one?
JT Spangler: ah My first one is when she's driving the old guy home from the party and he's just he's just clearly this ah dr drunk, old, creepy neighbor guy. And she's like, you guys been dating for what, a couple of years now?
JT Spangler: And she's like, yeah, a couple of years. And he's like, how often do you... ah And she goes, stick our fingers in our hands as often as possible.
Jeff: Stick our fingers.
Jeff: ah That guy played a good drunk.
JT Spangler: He did, man.
Jeff: Like he was like slurring his speech and kept opening his eyes really big.
JT Spangler: He was great.
Jeff: He was good.
JT Spangler: I love drunk acting. I'm of a huge fan of that. But yeah, that quote v cracked me up and I was like, I'm going to start using that. That's a good one.
Jeff: um i Yeah, dude, I am glad that guy burnt up in the car. and um
JT Spangler: What's your next quote?
Jeff: My next one is when... um Gina Davis gets off the phone with what's his nuts. And she's like, all right, I'm leaving the country, Mitch. I need a fake passport. I need money. Lots of it. He's like, yo, well, why didn't you say so? Hold on in a minute. Well, pull that out of my ass. Dude, I forgot about that one. And I like laughed out loud. I remember a lot of the quotes, but I totally forgot that she he was, he just played it straight to. He was just like, yeah, no problem.
Jeff: Let me just pull that out of my ass.
JT Spangler: He, dude, he had great dialogue and he just destroyed it on every delivery.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: I think the one of his I had was the ham on rye. That was in my bonus, but the, well, no, I did have the next one was the, the one that I quote all the time. It
Jeff: Does I know him all right about that? good.
JT Spangler: was like, did they're riding in the car and she's like shivering.
Jeff: so good
JT Spangler: says, want me turn on the heat? Doesn't work. makes a very annoying noise. Distracts you from the cold.
Jeff: Dude, that scene for reals, I'm glad you put that scene because not only does it have the song about Linens, it has the heater bit. It has the ah the girl that's jogging bit. It has all of that in one in one thing.
JT Spangler: Well, dude, every, I mean, about about every third line Samuel L.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: Jackson delivers in this movie was quotable. He's great.
Jeff: Quotable, yeah.
JT Spangler: Because the one where she's like trying to seduce him and he's like, I'm not rich, I'm not handsome.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And the last time, i forget what it was, it's last time someone tried to blow me was during the, yeah.
Jeff: Candy bars cost a nickel. Yeah.
JT Spangler: yeah
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. but He's really good.
JT Spangler: And then my third one, wait, did you give me your second one?
Jeff: Are you?
Jeff: Wait, let me go.
JT Spangler: All
Jeff: No, let me do my second one.
JT Spangler: All right.
Jeff: When he, it's right after, right after they go to the hotel and they're going to go to the train station the next day. And he's like, Oh, look, what I'm saying is back when we first met, you were like, Oh, phooey. I burned the darn muffins. Now you go into a bar 10 minutes later. a Sailors come running out. What up with that?
Jeff: I freaking, cause what you a Mormon? Like that whole, that's was all in that one same spot.
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, that was awesome.
Jeff: Um, And he's just walking around in those Sansa belt slacks with just going, da, da, da, pour the gin into the cup. It's like, yeah, God, he was killing me.
Jeff: He was killing me.
JT Spangler: Them together, man. that's that's That's so good. That movie is so good.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.
JT Spangler: maya My third quote was Brian Cox. It had no reason to be in the movie, but it freaking killed me. He's like sitting there, and he's like in this wingback chair in this house that's got a freaking fireplace crackling, and he's wearing like a Cosby sweater.
JT Spangler: and there's he's like yeah He's eating, and the woman is holding his little freaking purse dog.
Jeff: And he's eating. He's eating.
JT Spangler: Yeah. And, and dude, he hangs up the phone. He's just like, I, he's like, Hey, just, and I forget which Alice, please.
Jeff: Alice, please.
JT Spangler: It's like your dog.
Jeff: You talk.
JT Spangler: He's, he's been looking at his asshole for three straight hours. I submit to you that there's nothing there worth more than an hour's attention. I should think that whatever he's attempting to dislodge is either gone for good or there to stay.
JT Spangler: Wouldn't you agree?
Jeff: And dude, her face when she turns, what's wrong with the dog? Like she's, oh my God, it's great.
JT Spangler: But that freaking three sentences and that delivery was fantastic. I was not ready for it and it cracked me up.
Jeff: I like how they like, I mean, I know this is a Shane Black thing, but like, even when Brian Cox, after he knocks him over the head with a tire iron and they'd steal his car, they're at, um, your boys, uh, farm upstate.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: And he's, and Samuel Jackson's like, how'd you find us? Um, He's like, i found the address here in your coat here between the address of a topless bar and the picture of what looks like a man's penis.
Jeff: He's like, this is a duck, not a dick. Like all of that, that didn't need to be in there at all. And I loved it because he didn't even start like that because he even said like, ah ah he says something like you're not going to be missed by NASA or something like that trying to say that he's dumb.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: Great, dude. Just great.
JT Spangler: That's what I mean. Like, dude, the dialogue is incredible and all those little touches make it so good. But then the just the plotting overall is like, this didn't, this did not do it.
Jeff: Yeah, they could tighten it up. um My last one is Mitch talking to Larry King.
JT Spangler: yeah they that All of that stuff, by the way, i don't know if you saw this, was reshoots because in the original and the original edit, Samuel L.
Jeff: At the very end, he says, I'm always Frank and Ernest with women. In New York, I'm Frank. And in Chicago, I'm Ernest. And he just starts laughing, that Samuel Jackson laugh. I was like, what a jerk. I love it.
Jeff: Fantastic.
JT Spangler: Jackson's character died and in the test screenings, people hated that.
Jeff: Yeah, everybody's like, Samuel Jackson dies? I don't want to watch this.
JT Spangler: So they rewrote the ending so that he didn't die.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And they did those reshoots, which is like the Larry King stuff, which is good because honestly, man, they spent a little time in the beginning setting up that like, he's got a kid, but his kid's mom won't let him hang out with because his dad, because he's a criminal.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: I forgot that even happened.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: But then at the end, they like came back around.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: It's like, Oh, and his kid's seeing him on TV, like talking to Larry King. And it's like, Oh, cool. He got a little, he got a little bow.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's awesome.
JT Spangler: My bonus one was, uh, this ain't no ham on rye. Just like, she's getting mugged and, and she's not at all afraid of the gun. She's a hard-ass pterodactyl. And he pops up.
JT Spangler: And he's like, mean this ain't no Hamill and Rye. He's like, I would have been here sooner, but I was thinking of that Hamill and Rye line.
Jeff: yeah because the guy's holding the gun and she's not scared and she's like all right shoot and he's like hey honey this is a really big gun he's like this ain't no hammer right pal it's freaking great freaking great
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, that's fantastic. Let's do characters. The dog, obviously.
Jeff: obviously the dog and the dog's eyebrows um
JT Spangler: No, I got Samuel Jackson first.
Jeff: Yeah, i got the dirtbag PI. It's fantastic. I know he's there for like.
JT Spangler: deal don My only objection is his name is Mitch Hennessy, and I feel like that's racist.
Jeff: Yeah. um You're telling me that Samuel Jackson doesn't enjoy Hennessy?
JT Spangler: Uh, I'm telling you that I don't, I think that that seemed like the first draft. You're like let's just call the black PI Hennessy.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: We'll fix that later on. and it's like, oh shit, they're going out like that. So we got we should recall that and change it.
Jeff: Look, look what I did. Look what I did I just did that. And they're just going out like that. I don't know. I don't know.
JT Spangler: and made the serving just, just two spoonfuls.
Jeff: Um, I ate Fig Newtons by the sleeve, like a wood chipper. Um, uh, dude, I agree. Mitch Hennessy sounds, uh, a little racist when he said Hennessy. The first thing I yelled was somebody get me a glass of Hennessy with ice cube floating in it.
Jeff: Um, Yeah.
JT Spangler: he's He's amazing.
Jeff: Dude, he's really, really good. He's the clutch hero and he is comic relief and he is just fantastic. And I'm glad this is one of his favorite roles because it's also one of mine.
JT Spangler: yeah I would have watched another hour of this movie if it was just him and Geena Davis zinging each other with one-liners. That part was incredible.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
JT Spangler: like The whole, like let's figure out the mystery of where she came from, the two of them, that part was awesome.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah. um How many, wait, how many movies has Sam Jackson done?
JT Spangler: who's your Who's your second character?
JT Spangler: Like 200? I don't know.
Jeff: one hundred and ninety very good. grossed.
JT Spangler: is is kevin Is Kevin Hart going to catch him next year?
Jeff: Jeez, his films have grossed $27 billion. Just put them in all the movies.
Jeff: just put them in all the movies
JT Spangler: Well, dude, when you're in Star Wars and in Marvel, then yeah, you're going to drive the gross up there pretty good.
Jeff: And Marvel. Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah, that's pretty quick. um My second one I had was Gina Davis, Charlie Baltimore, Samantha Cain.
JT Spangler: She's on my list. Like I said, there was a couple spots in the movie where I didn't like what she was doing, but I just kept thinking like I couldn't, there's no one I could put in there that would make this any more enjoyable. So I think ultimately, like I got to decide that she was doing an awesome job.
Jeff: I thought she did a good job playing like the two personas. Like I kept switching back and forth.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah. And she said that that was what really attracted her to do in the movies.
Jeff: I
JT Spangler: The ability to like have two characters that were completely opposite personalities, like inhabiting the same person. And then sometimes they're even competing like within the same scene.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome.
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude. And she like, she's, I mean, she's physical enough to believe it. She's f freaking dirt in the skirt.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. Real quick.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Did she? Yeah. Did she drop the ball on purpose?
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, she did we've we've we talked about this during our league League of Their Own double episode back in 92. She for sure dropped it on purpose.
Jeff: Yes, she did. ah You know who wouldn't have dropped it? Charlie Baltimore.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Just saying.
JT Spangler: No, she would have freaking knifed Kit and right in the eyeball.
Jeff: All right. So who'd you pick for third?
JT Spangler: um I went with Brian Cox. I just like that guy.
Jeff: Dude, I did too. Cause I almost put a Craig beer co beer co the, but the bad guy with the, the, the nineties beard.
JT Spangler: ahha
Jeff: Um, Because, I mean, he was in a lot more of the movie than Brian Cox. But, dude, Brian Cox was in like 10 minutes of the movie, and he could run that whole movie if he wanted to, I think. he He was great.
Jeff: I love his.
JT Spangler: I always enjoy Brian Cox and I just thought, I mean, it was like,
Jeff: He does McDonald's commercials now. How the mighty have fallen.
JT Spangler: Well, he's one of those guys where it's like, like okay, he <unk>in he was a Shakespearean actor. He's got a primetime Emmy, a Golden Globe, BAFTAs, like Laurence Olivier Awards.
Jeff: Yeah. He's got... Yeah.
JT Spangler: I just like that guy. Every time he's in something, I'm like, he's doing I like what he's, he can do so much different stuff.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Like he's in the freaking X-Men movies.
Jeff: He was in the movie Troy.
JT Spangler: Yeah, he does all kind of shit.
Jeff: did he was in Troy and I show that to my class sometimes. he kills it. They all love him.
JT Spangler: He's in so much stuff.
Jeff: He's so good. Yeah. Yeah. yeah That's who I put too, because I just, the other guy i didn't want. And the daughter with the lisp, Mr. Perkins.
Jeff: I couldn't, I couldn't anymore. So
JT Spangler: i got some I got some notes about her. Her name is Yvonne Zima. She's six in this movie.
Jeff: Zima.
JT Spangler: so go ahead You should tell us ah how bad she did.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: I'm going let you handle that bit.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah. I didn't like her lisp. I wanted that. It was, but it was, it was, yeah, she definitely does.
JT Spangler: I don't think that was an acting choice. think she actually had a lisp.
Jeff: That's not, that's not my fault.
JT Spangler: We're not going to move a lot of tapes this way.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: You talk to her.
Jeff: Okay. She's still making movies though. She's, she's older now.
JT Spangler: Yeah, I was going to say, she's she has small parts in two other Shane Black movies. She has a small part in Iron Man 3 and in ah Nice Guys.
Jeff: Nice guys. Nice guys. Yeah.
JT Spangler: was like, I thought that was kind of cool.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah.
JT Spangler: But yeah, dude, I thought about her. I thought she did a pretty good job. The main villain with the thin 90s beard, he was fine. Like everybody was good, but I was just like, I like Brian Cox. ah
Jeff: I like Brian Cox the best, too.
JT Spangler: He was in Braveheart last year. He was freaking killing it in that one.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: All right, dude, same three.
Jeff: Yeah, he's good at this. um Yeah. Sorry, whoever.
JT Spangler: Sorry, everyone who hates when we agree. The writer and director stuff, writer Shane Black.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.
JT Spangler: So he's that he writes Lethal Weapon, Last Boy Scout, Last Action Hero. He writes sleep Nice Guys, Iron Man 3, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.
Jeff: Kiss, kiss, bang, bang is delightful.
JT Spangler: Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is great. So that he's the, this is the first script, this Long Kiss Goodnight is the first, what I read anyway, is the first spec script that sold for over a million dollars, sort for sold for four million bucks.
JT Spangler: And because he's done Lethal Weapon and, um, like a couple other things before this last Boy Scout, last action hero. And then this movie doesn't do well. Like it kind of bombs, like it's great, but it's supposed to be big and it isn't.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And I think there was, what I read was there was so much backlash from what this script cost and how bad the movie did that he, the next movie he does is kiss, kiss, bang, bang, which is like eight years away.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: and And that's his directorial debut too.
JT Spangler: And he directs it.
Jeff: yeah
JT Spangler: Yeah. So like he writes that, he directs it. He also gets, RDJ to be in it at the point, at the time when RDJ is like not really doing movies cause he's, you know, a drug addict.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And, uh, and i don't know if we'll be doing this podcast in eight years, but, uh, spoiler alert, we love kiss, kiss, bang, bang.
Jeff: Yeah. I can't even, um I know there's people that haven't seen it, but nobody that's seen that that doesn't like it. That is delightful.
JT Spangler: I said two days ago, I was listening to something We were listening to something in the car and somebody was like, I feel badly. And I was like, uh, badly is an adverb. Who taught you English? Kill yourself. Uh, gay Perry.
Jeff: Touch your grabber. ah And he's like touching him on the shoulder. He's like touching him. All right, I have to go. I have to go. And he just pushes him away from the car and pulls off.
JT Spangler: like, what it what do they call you? Gay Perry. you gay? No, me. No, I'm knee deep in pussy. I just like the name.
Jeff: God, Val Kilmer pour some out. um Yeah, I like Shane Black.
JT Spangler: But yeah, he's he's he's awesome, man.
Jeff: He's really good.
JT Spangler: And the director is Rennie Harlan, who at this time is Geena Davis' husband.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: And he did like...
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: He directed Die Hard 2. um I think... I don't know how much of it. He directed Cliffhanger. So he's done a couple of big action movies, which you think is why he gets this one. But sometimes i think like timing stuff is just weird.
Jeff: yeah
JT Spangler: Like he... they won They signed on to do this movie. He signed on to direct. He wanted to cast his wife. Everyone's cool with that. But before they could do it, they were contractually obligated to do Cutthroat Island the year before, which at the time is the biggest box office bomb of all time.
JT Spangler: Like it loses $150 million. dollars So that's what that's what he's coming off of with Matthew Modine.
Jeff: Is that... Which... Matthew Modine.
Jeff: I remember that.
JT Spangler: So it's one of those, like, this movie had some problems, but if you if they if if Gina Davis and Rennie Harlan aren't coming off the biggest bomb in box office history, would it have done better? Maybe. I think probably so.
Jeff: Maybe. ah But how many people don't go see movies because they know that the movie before it bombed? Like, I and don't even know that...
JT Spangler: I don't think moviegoers care about that, but the people that review movies and generate buzz for movies like do.
Jeff: Right. They know.
JT Spangler: And so like they're going to go in there thinking like this movie's not...
Jeff: Yeah, they know.
JT Spangler: like They're going to take that subconscious bias into their reviews, and then you don't get as much like traction from audiences or...
Jeff: Right.
Jeff: That stinks.
JT Spangler: I didn't see anyone say, like, no one, I didn't see Renny Harlan or Geena Davis in video or in writings that I was looking at say that, but I saw some people speckling, like, that was probably not helpful, that they had to go do this horrible movie that lost a ton of money and then go do this one.
Jeff: Right.
Jeff: Right. Yeah, that stinks.
JT Spangler: But, like, dude, you could tell, like, like Alan Silvestri does the score. Like, this, all the people involved, like, this was set up to be a big movie and then it just kind of didn't do it.
Jeff: Yeah, it just wasn't. Yeah, it stinks. Stinks for them because I liked it. I mean, it's no six, but it's pretty good.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: I still, i'll dude I'll definitely watch it again.
JT Spangler: It's got stuff. It's got stuff that's great. I would absolutely watch it again, but I would just, when I got to the last 20 minutes, I would just turn it off because I didn't need that part, which I got to punish because that is the part that wraps up the whole story.
Jeff: Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah, no, I get it. Dude, i to all the stuff you're saying, I'm like, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
JT Spangler: Yeah, i'm looking at his I'm looking at his directing stuff. Die Hard 2, Cliffhanger, Cut Third Island. ah Blast from the Past, he does not direct, but he's a producer on. Shout out there.
Jeff: Oh, my stars.
JT Spangler: which is which is a movie life crisis favorite, that one for sure.
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, he's doing like a bunch of like kind of weird stuff since then, like movies I've never heard of, like Five Days of War and Legend of Hercules.
Jeff: Oh, so ridiculous.
JT Spangler: this These all look like direct-to-video or like indie.
Jeff: He did one with, what's his name? John Cena. It was in New Orleans. It was called 12 Rounds.
JT Spangler: rounds, uh-huh.
Jeff: Yeah. That was all right.
JT Spangler: He did Skip Trace, which has Jackie Chan and Johnny Knoxville. um I didn't have time to fully absorb that one.
Jeff: haven't really absorbed that one yet, Dick. Um, yeah, I mean, it's not the Jackie Chan movie with Jennifer Love Hewitt about a tuxedo that makes him into James, makes him into James Brown.
Jeff: But it's a, yeah, yeah, yeah.
JT Spangler: Cleverly named the tuxedo.
Jeff: um Yeah, he does some good stuff.
JT Spangler: Yeah, man, that's
Jeff: He's not not married to Geena Davis anymore, is he?
JT Spangler: Sure. He's fine. No.
Jeff: i mean, I don't think she's married.
JT Spangler: I don't think it's because of this, though. I think they just aren't married.
Jeff: Yeah, I didn't realize Geena Davis was married to Jeff Goldblum.
JT Spangler: Jeff Goldblum.
Jeff: Their kids would be huge.
JT Spangler: I know every time we do a Geena Davis movie, we remember that again.
Jeff: Their kids would be ginormous.
JT Spangler: She does have three. i don't know how tall they are. didn't I didn't go that deep into the research.
Jeff: Giant kids.
JT Spangler: ah What I like about Geena Davis, I mean, I like a lot of things about Geena Davis, but talking about who she was married to, she was married once for three years, once for four years, once for five years.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And it's like she goes into marriage number four and you're going, you've already been divorced three times. You've never made it to the five-year mark. Maybe this marriage thing is not for you. Husband four, 20 years, still going strong.
Jeff: Yeah, she finally figured it out.
JT Spangler: Shout out Geena Davis. They did get divorced after 20 years, but i feel like at that point you call it a win.
Jeff: Oh, oh, oh, oh. You said still going strong and I got excited.
JT Spangler: I know, I didn't read it correctly. I'm like, oh no, they did get divorced. But 20 years, it's a hell of a run. ah But good for her for getting back out there.
Jeff: Oh, man. She's 70.
JT Spangler: It doesn't...
Jeff: She don't need to be married anymore. She's going to get in a car with her friend Louise and drive off a cliff.
JT Spangler: ah Dude, I think Susan Sarandon and her should just do another Thelma and Louise movie.
Jeff: Yeah, I'm with it.
JT Spangler: I would watch it, old Thelma and Louise.
Jeff: I'm with it.
Jeff: Is that what they're going to call it?
JT Spangler: That's what I would call it.
Jeff: Old Thelma and Louise.
JT Spangler: they This time the car's can have heated seats for their backs.
Jeff: They got have them. Got some ibuprofen in the in the in the trunk.
JT Spangler: My car has heated seats and the amount of times I use them because of the weather compared to the amount of times I use them because my back hurts is way, way low.
Jeff: I have heated seats, but I don't need to sweat that much in my bathing suit area, so I just don't turn it on.
JT Spangler: I'm like 98% for backfane, 2% for cold weather. um Yeah, man. I don't think, i don't really have a lot of worst I didn't already mention plotting the world's most powerful grenade.
Jeff: Yeah, that's that I just had the the explosions were pretty bad.
JT Spangler: They talked at one point about doing this movie with a male action star, like I think during the early stages, during the casting, because Rennie Harlan had worked with Bruce Willis on Die Hard 2 and with Stallone on Cliffhanger.
JT Spangler: And I'm glad they didn't do that. I don't think it would have been as good.
Jeff: Yeah, this is way better. Yeah, this is way better.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Like i i'm I'm sure in the 90s, if a movie bombs and it was a female lead, it's like, well, that's what you get for putting a woman in a man's job.
Jeff: Way more gooder.
JT Spangler: And she was awesome.
Jeff: I like how you think that's that's gone and that doesn't still happen.
JT Spangler: No. Well, I'm just saying it was it was a way louder in the ninety s I don't know. Maybe maybe not.
Jeff: It was out in the open. ah Like racism in Mississippi.
JT Spangler: they were saying there They were saying the quiet part out loud, which no one does anymore.
Jeff: that Yeah.
JT Spangler: Never mind. um
Jeff: Dude, just just the whole green screen and explosions just didn't look really, really great.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Did you have old tech? I mean, pay phones, walkie-talkies?
Jeff: There was a... Yeah, there was...
JT Spangler: They're on 171 point something megahertz. They're on the what hertz?
Jeff: yeah they had a Yeah, they had some payphones, um landlines, TV broadcasts, all of those things that were like plot triggers.
JT Spangler: they were They were walking in, they were talking in.
Jeff: Yeah. Ah, the whammy kablam!
Jeff: Like, i this is pre-smartphones, so like, we'll just go two towns over and completely disappear.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Like, that's how easy it was back in the Gap.
JT Spangler: Right.
Jeff: Now it's just like... We had a traffic camera, saw a picture of her, and the AI ran the trace, and now we know exactly where they are. That sucks.
JT Spangler: Yeah. ah wait, one other thing from from good is Shane Black really likes action movies set at Christmas.
JT Spangler: Because this movie is set during Christmas.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.
JT Spangler: Lethal Weapon set during Christmas. Nice Guys, Iron Man 3, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. All of those are Shane Black movies set around Christmas.
Jeff: All set in Christmas. I didn't have this one, but some of those other ones you mentioned, I did have in my Christmas collection.
JT Spangler: Well, i was actually thinking, I was like, dude, this is going in the Christmas playlist when Wolf gets a little older because it's for sure a Christmas movie.
Jeff: Yeah. Mrs. Claus. She plays Mrs. Claus.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Those stupid teenagers were like whistling at her and stuff. Like who does, what are we doing? i don't know.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Teenagers now are much better behaved, I'm sure.
Jeff: Uh, Yeah, a lot of that stuff that was sexist, I'm sure, is still going out there. just, I don't see it as much, I guess.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Uh, they're not whistling at you. They're whistling at Gina Davis.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: Well, uh, all right.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: Five questions. Is it okay for kids?
Jeff: Wait, real fast, political correctness.
JT Spangler: Wait. Oh yeah.
Jeff: ah The whole false flag and blaming it on Muslims.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: um This was pre-9-11.
JT Spangler: That was ahead of its time.
Jeff: That was way ahead of its time. The whole time I was like, huh. they were blaming Muslims already. All right.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: ah So yeah.
JT Spangler: I wonder how they knew that was going to work.
Jeff: Yeah. They, they knew they all know. um
JT Spangler: Blame it on the brown people. Never never fails.
Jeff: Yeah. Never. um
JT Spangler: Five questions. Number one, is it okay for kids? Seems not okay for kids.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Did your kids watch this?
Jeff: I would say, ah I would say no, I mean, I'd probably let Jake watch it. It's not, I mean, it's bloody, but it's not really, you know what saying? Like the weirdest part is when she's got the cream from the pie after she hit him in the side of the face and it's got blood in it and she licks it.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: I was like, all right, Gina, that was a bit much, but like,
JT Spangler: Well, some of the like mirror some of the mirror flashbacks she had were like kind of jarring to me.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: was like, well, that shit was freaky.
Jeff: the yeah Cause I had that weird clouds and she's standing on the cliff and you don't know why Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Or like she'd be looking in the mirror and then flip to her alter ego and she'd be all bloody holding a knife. was like, what the hell? When is it? Were we watching The Ring?
Jeff: Oh, yeah, and the it slice and reaches through the mirror and slices her.
JT Spangler: Yes.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you.
JT Spangler: Yeah, this feels like a teenager movie.
Jeff: But, like, the torture and the, yeah, the torture and the ice and all that, like, ice water and all that, like, I i don't think that's bad.
JT Spangler: Now it's pretty mild.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: No.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Would this movie get made if it were pitched now? I don't see why not.
Jeff: I guess it would this would probably be a a Netflix movie or, like, a PG-13 franchise starter with, yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Yeah, dude. be a Netflix movie. Well, i'm freaking Ben Affleck and Matt Damon just did that Netflix action movie. Like, that's where everyone's doing action movies now.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Which kind of sucks because they're not as good, but I guess that's where they're giving them money to do them.
Jeff: Right. Right.
Jeff: I think we could do like a, like, like we keep saying just that it needs to extra action comedy more or more espionage and get the realism, get that all straight instead of just all these plot points trying to come together.
JT Spangler: Yeah, I don't know.
Jeff: You know what I'm saying?
JT Spangler: This one this one got a little too grandiose towards the end. I feel like i I'd like to keep it small.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: like Just figure out why she's not... I think he went like in an adjacent-born direction. like There's a whole organization he used to be a part of, and he's going take them down. It's like, just let her figure out who she is and like kill the one guy responsible for it, not blow up the Canadian border.
Jeff: Right. Boy, did they in that truck.
JT Spangler: Movie or TV show. a Movie for me.
Jeff: It's got to be a movie. Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yep. What about recasting if if we're going to do it in 2026? Yeah. i i
Jeff: She's probably too old, but I want Emily Blunt and Lakeith Stanfield.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Emily Blunt would be great for this. I was trying to think of like, cause actually like who's the badass action hero?
JT Spangler: woman who's also like the sweet mom to a little girl. i was like, I do think Charlize Theron would be my all-time number one pick for this.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: she's She's a little too old at this point. I'm like, I kind of...
Jeff: Atomic Blonde. Is that the movie she did?
JT Spangler: She did do that one.
Jeff: That's the kick-ass. Yeah, that's the kick-ass movie I was thinking of earlier.
JT Spangler: And Old Guard. She's kick-assing that too.
Jeff: Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
JT Spangler: i mean, she's kicked a lot of ass. She can do it. I think I was thinking Aubrey Plaza would be...
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: She'd be really good at this terrifying assassin lady.
Jeff: Oh, nice.
JT Spangler: I think the ah the the sweet mom part might be a stretch for her, but i think she could do it.
Jeff: She could do it. No, she could do it. and She's a good actress.
JT Spangler: Yeah, i can't I can't think of who I would replace Samuel L with.
Jeff: She's great.
JT Spangler: Like Donald Glover?
Jeff: Freaking, i would watch it with Troy. would totally watch Troy in that.
JT Spangler: Yeah, just let's...
Jeff: I, the only reason I pick Lakeith Stanfield, don't, did you ever see sorry to bother you?
JT Spangler: No, I didn't.
Jeff: Or there's a new one called play dirty. Wait, I think that's a, is that a Shane black movie? The one with him and Marky Mark.
Jeff: I think that is a,
JT Spangler: ah Yeah, that is a Shane Black movie.
Jeff: Yeah, that's, dude, i I haven't finished it, but I just started, and it's kind of good. um i He just plays that um quick, he he's like funny energy, but also like weary. Like, i don't know, he's he's good.
Jeff: I like him.
JT Spangler: By the way, also in that movie is Yvonne Zima for the fourth time. She's the little girl.
Jeff: Oh, nice. Well, she's not a little girl now, right?
JT Spangler: she not ah She plays the little girl.
Jeff: She's got to be here in her
JT Spangler: Oh, and Gretchen Maul's in that one. I haven't seen her in forever. Yeah, I'm check that out.
Jeff: Oh, nice. Yeah. yeah It's so, it's so far. It's pretty good.
JT Spangler: Nice.
Jeff: Um,
JT Spangler: Yeah, when when I wanna have internet again. I'm gonna get on that.
Jeff: the
Jeff: Oh God. Um, all right. So fifth question, can you still watch and enjoy this?
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: If you like Shane black dialogue, this is a jam.
JT Spangler: Yes, you can.
Jeff: If you like Christmas in the background of action movies, it's your jam.
JT Spangler: I mean, it's so it's a really fun 90s action movie.
Jeff: Uh,
JT Spangler: it's There's got some stuff about it that's great. It's funny. It's got some good action.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah.
JT Spangler: it's I mean, other people have but more attention spans than me. Maybe you don't care that it's 20 minutes too long and it gets kind of confusing at the end. Totally worth watching.
Jeff: No, it does.
JT Spangler: I didn't find it streaming anywhere.
Jeff: It does.
JT Spangler: i rented it on ah I rented it on YouTube first, and then YouTube said, thank you for the money. We're not going to show you the movie. And so I went and canceled that one, and then I rented it on Amazon Prime.
JT Spangler: So whoosh.
Jeff: Nice.
JT Spangler: Buy money. you later.
Jeff: okay When you rent these, do you rent them in HD to get like the full experience or you don't care?
JT Spangler: Yes.
Jeff: You're just trying to blow through it. Yeah.
JT Spangler: No, I run them in HD and then I hold my laptop really close to my face. So it's like I'm at the theater.
Jeff: I like to have to turn my head to see the whole thing.
JT Spangler: I usually always watch them on our giant TVs in Nashville, but they don't have power. So I was watching on my laptop. Up close and personal.
Jeff: yeah
JT Spangler: I like how mad people get sometimes in the comments if if if I admit to watching a movie not on my surround sound. they're like, well, that's why you didn't like it. Like, dude, I can't. I got a life to live. Sometimes I got to watch part of it on my laptop.
JT Spangler: I'm doing my best here.
Jeff: Yeah, they would hate how I watch movies. That's why I don't need to say it. I'm like on my phone while I'm driving to go pick my kid.
JT Spangler: Yeah. On your phone, on the toilet.
Jeff: No, I'm trying to drive to go pick up Jake or I'm waiting outside of his basketball practice and I got the surround sound as my car speakers. is It's not doing it any favors for sure.
JT Spangler: Yeah. All right, man. Like I said, you can find it for rent, for money, YouTube, Amazon Prime, Apple. Next up, our Valentine's Day special, 1996, George Clooney, Michelle Pfeiffer, One Fine Day.
Jeff: YouTube kind of.
Jeff: ah day delightful Lieberman is in Barbados. I cannot wait. I've already got six quotes.
JT Spangler: che monkey. Carrier monkey.
Jeff: Six quotes. What about the cookies? i can't I can't wait. I'm going to watch it now and then watch it again before we do it. like That's how much I like this movie.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Big fan of that one. um All right. Thank you guys for listening. And we'll see you next time for that one.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: All right.
JT Spangler: Bye.
Jeff: Bye, Candios.
