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Loving Like a Sister with Christy Bauman and Katy Stafford
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This conversation explores the power and beauty of sisterhood and the unique bond that exists between friends who are like sisters. Together, Katy and Christy share openly about the women they cherish as sisters: women who have taught them they can always coming home and that there is a bonding power we experience with our sisters when we share together in grief. The conversation emphasizes the importance of showing up for one another in both joyful and difficult moments, and the transformative nature of deep, authentic connections.
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Introduction to Red Tent Living Podcast
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Hi, I'm Tracy Johnson, and this is the Red Tent Living Podcast, where brave women host honest conversations about their beautiful and hard ordinary. This season, we connect on stories of family. We're excited for you to join us. Welcome to our table.
Exploring Sisterhood: Katie Stafford and Christy Bauman
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Today's episode is entitled Like a Sister. And when I think about women who know a great deal about
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Sisters and sistering Katie Stafford and Christy Bauman come to the top of the list for
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several reasons. These two women both grew up in homes with sisters and also have rich relationships, deep relationships that they have cultivated with women who are like family but not family in the realm of sistering. So
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You have a treat in store with a couple of expert sisters, and I think you're really going to enjoy it. So here you go, Katie and Christy and their conversation on sistering.
Matriarchal Legacy and Intentional Spaces
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Hello. Hello. I'm happy that I get to see the room you're in, actually. This is what my favorite part is, is you just have showed me the room that your mom and everybody's been redecorating, and I'm just so happy to see it.
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Yes, yeah, the room in their new place, my grandparents' old home. Yeah, it's got good energy in here. I did tell my mom, I was like, okay, it's super important that you keep in mind that this room is for the matriarchy, because it's all pictures of the sisters, it's my great-great-grandmother's work, and I was like, don't get weird in how you decorate this feminine space.
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I love that. Oh my gosh
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I love the intention. I think I didn't know and didn't learn about intentional decorating. I didn't learn about decorating, so my husband's the decorator in our family. So I just leave it to him, but then there's moments where I'm like, oh, what if we did just make a room of all the matriarchal generations? How amazing.
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without me that I would have to step into some serious design training. I would need some help. My mom's good. She had Libby this time too. Libby had very strong opinions about this wall and the gilded mirror. She's got a creative group of girls to help offer opinions. I love that.
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I'm excited to
Sisterhood Reflections and Media Influence
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be here. I was excited about our title like a sister. I was like, oh my gosh, so many stories flooded and I wanted to tell all the stories because I get all warm inside. So many times we've talked about the hard parts of relationship or
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the rupture and the repair and just where work is needed. But man, the sweetness of a friend that is like a sister is really, it makes me so happy inside.
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Agreed. I actually, when I was assigned this one, knew immediately what I was going to be talking about. It just clicked. It was a similar like, oh, this is the thing I'm going to talk about. So it was, I'm with you. This one didn't actually feel too hard to write. It flowed pretty quickly. Yeah. I'm trying to find where it is on my screen. I was like, where's my story?
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Yeah. Well, do you want to start or do you want me to start? I can start. Yeah, I'll go first. I'll go first. All right. I did just call this like a sister. So. Love it. If you, like me, were a teenage girl at the turn of the millennium, you could not have escaped high school without a familiarity with Gilmore Girls.
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In the show, mother-daughter duo Lorelei and Rory Gilmore make their way through life as one another's very best friends, employing wordplay, tenacity, and vulnerability to navigate romance, big dreams, dashed hopes, and growing up. The hook of their story, the one that had so many girls my age, completely enchanted, and at times a little jealous,
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was that Lorelei was so close in age to her daughter, Rory, only 16 years apart. In the show, a mistake in high school for Lorelei means she finds herself growing up and mothering altogether. And much tension for Lorelei centers around the moment when Rory requires a mother and Lorelei would rather be Rory's sister.
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Gilmore Girls invites women to grapple with what happens when sisterhood and motherhood mesh, at times resulting in a lack of critical care, boundaries, and selfhood.
Deepening Bonds with Younger Sisters
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In the process, we uncovered the beauty and essence of both sisterhood and motherhood, which overlap so often but have distinct differences as well.
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I was 15 when my sister Libby was born and 17 when sister Ellie followed. Take the average and I could have been the Lorelei to their Rory. From the moment I heard of their separate arrivals, I felt a touch of anxiety. I would leave for college before either of these girls had fully formed memories. Who would I be to them? Would they even know me?
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With their simple existence, Libby and Ellie have challenged me to examine the essence of sisterhood in a way that my siblings Allison and Stephen never did. Allison, Stephen, and I grew up together. The reality of my sisterhood to the two of them was a fact and at times an annoyance, not an invitation to ponder.
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But with Libby and Ellie, girls I truly could have mothered, and now both women in their own right, I have had the honor of shaping a sisterhood that is rather rare. Teaching them how to trust that I am their confidant and cheerleader always, while also learning how to allow them to hold my secrets and cheer me on as well.
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Since a young age, I've encouraged Libby and Ellie to engage me in a way I would likely check from any other girl because of their birthright as my sisters.
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When I once again started dating the man who had called off our wedding three years prior, my sisters had opinions. Libby joined my brother Steven in being the most gentle towards Aaron. In paths both Libby and Steve carry a deeper knowledge about living through pain and yearning to have the chance to try again.
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It made Libby quick to extend grace. Allison and Ellie had stronger reactions. Protective, angry, hurt, and watchful.
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As a woman in her mid-20s, Alison had her words out to Erin rather quickly and began repair work quickly as well. But Ellie, who had watched the depth of my grief and had her understanding of forever love and fairy tales challenged at such a young age, has been much, much slower to welcome Erin.
Roles in Sisterly Support and Truth-Telling
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A couple years into our marriage, Erin and Ellie are finding their way to a relationship all their own.
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And while I could have insisted that Ellie needed to hurry up and get on board, I recognized in her reservations the response of a sister, one who has kept vigil and insists on time to earn trust. Last year, Libby began her college experience and the journey of making adult choices for herself.
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In this season, I've felt acutely aware of who I've worked to be in her life and who I want to remain. Not the mother who challenges or offers feedback to continue cultivating a woman of discernment and differentiation, but the sister. My place is one of companionship.
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More often than not, in responding to what she shares with me, I choose stories of me too. I pull moments from the vault of my life that reveal a similar struggle, or just share what I'd be feeling if I was in her spot. I want my energy for Libby to feel connective. I want it to produce laughter, comfort, and possibility.
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It is true that I sometimes share what I've learned. And it is definitely true that I tell her the truth. Yeah, girl, that was not an amazing choice on your part. But always, always, from a place of being right there in it, too. Because what my sisters, by both blood and by bond, have taught me is that those willing to walk alongside without shoulds or gossip or judgment are a sacred gift.
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encouraging our bravery and helping us face our own darkness with self-acceptance and love. When I was 18 and home from my first break from college, I remember dreading going back to school.
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College for me was 11 hours away from home and making friends was taking me time. I felt homesick every day. Packing my bag to get back on a plane for the rest of my first semester, I was filled with dread. The night before I left, as I went to kiss a three-year-old Libby goodbye in her little bed, she noticed I had tears pooled in my eyes. Katie, she whispered.
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Why are you crying? Because I have to go away again, and I miss you when I go. Libby reached her small, pudgy hands right up to my face and wiped away a tear. I will always be right here, Katie, and you can always come back home.
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I laughed in the moment, holding her absurdly wise words and covering her in kisses. But I have never forgotten what she said. Sisters, stay close.
Sacred Truth of Sister-like Friendships
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Sisters cup our tearful faces as we do the hard, brave things. And they remind us, go on now. I will always be right here. I have so many tears.
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I was halfway through, I was ready to ask you what it was like for you and then the tears just kept coming. I love the lines that you ended with or that Libby ended with, that promise that you can go because you can always come home.
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I think when any of us find that in a friendship, in a sister, it is one of the most holiest and sacred truths. It doesn't change how hard it is to leave, but just the sweetness that you can come home to that soul and they are your sister, it's just sacred. How is it for you to read it?
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I read it right before and just completely bald and so like, I did better, but it's tender. And yeah, I feel really lucky and I wanted the story to do a good job of not just, I think it would be easier as the oldest to write the story of like,
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just my side of like how I've grown this relationship with these young women, but I also wanted to make sure it held like these women from a very young age have invited me into something as well. We had reciprocity with each other.
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And yeah, I do believe that getting to be intentional about sisterhood with Libby and Ellie and think it through has taught me a lot about what makes the relationships that women share, whether they are sisters by blood or sisters by choice, what makes those relationships sacred.
Impact of 'Gilmore Girls' on Sisterhood Views
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Yeah.
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Well, I mean, when you first started, I was like, this whole podcast can be about Gilmore Girls because I have not only watched it so many times, but my sister and I, when she finally finished watching it years later, which I had begged her to forever, we spent three hours nonstop on the phone. What about this? What about this? What about these guys? Every part of it.
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Totally. I was like, I'm in. As soon as she said, no more girls. I was like, I'm in. I could talk for hours. I have theories. I have theologies. Give it to me. I have certain things I could talk about.
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Gilmore Girls was the show that stitched my friendship with my closest college friend together. Like, I remember the first time she invited me over and she's like, I'm going to brew coffee and we're going to watch Gilmore Girls. And I was like, here for it. Like, welcome soulmate. Yes, totally.
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I think that's amazing. I loved the comparison of what it was like for you to be 16 years, 15 years different with your own sisters. You had that felt experience and it brings such an imagination.
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at life and what it could be instead of estranged or mothering to a daughter. It gives so much creativity to what you could have. I almost love how the show itself mothered you in knowing how to build your relationship with yourself.
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I didn't feel like I had the room and the story. The other thing that taught me a ton about sisterhood, my best friend in high school was the baby of seven. And so I would watch her interact with my sisters. And she sort of taught me how to be their friend because there was this one day, her name's Mercy.
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Libby and Ellie were playing dress-up and super into Taylor Swift and wanted to write a pop song. And Mercy plays the piano, and we had a piano at our house. And so Mercy just sat down and wrote a pop song with them. Like, it was called, here's the chorus, I just want to date you, I just want to date you. And then the girl says, I don't want to date you, I don't want to date you. So try to get used to that.
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Yes. And then it has this little melody like, ooh. But Mercy was just asking them, OK, what's the next part? What's the next part? Yeah. I love it. Yeah. Yeah.
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I love that. I think sometimes for me, my grief is I have only one daughter and I grew up with sisters and I was, you know, she wants a sister so bad and it breaks my heart and my sister only has one daughter. And so they call themselves sister cousins. And, you know, we were, I'm very close with my cousins. They feel like sisters to me, but it's not the same. And so I have this grief and I also believe
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I think I'm so grateful for knowing that feeling of a friend that is like a sister because it makes me believe that my daughter can have that. Similar, they're on the West Coast, we're on the East Coast, so there's a three-hour difference. These girls try to talk, they talked last night, one's going to bed, one's getting home from school because they're so young.
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But my daughter came to me and she was telling, you know, Rosie, our cousin is sick, what
Creative Bonding and Family Connections
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can we do? And I said, why don't we write her a song? We spent an entire day like that writing a song and doing a music video and sending it to her because she was sick. And so I love that even
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that same similarity of the story of sisterhood and even friendship. It's like, we can write songs to each other. There are bonding ways that make me so grateful for
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sisterhood. We can make in relationship what we've experienced in blood and in birthright, we can do that in spirit. And I really believe that is a holy act. So even just grateful to hear that story and be like, we just wrote a song.
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last weekend, that was our thing. My fear was, I'm not her sister, but I'm like, I'm her mom and I can write a song with her for her sister cousin and I can emulate what friendships should look like and the sacrifice we should make to show each other that we love each other and we're for each other.
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There's so much potential overlap between motherhood and sisterhood and in good ways. I think there is an invitation for perhaps in generations past motherhood might have had a stiffness to it, not across cultures. I'm speaking specifically
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Western, maybe like how my grandmother raised my mother. Let's just keep it personal to experience. I've watched where it's like, know what's right, do what's right, be trained, like a child should be trained up in the way it should go. And there's nothing wrong with that, but it certainly loses some of that connective tissue of play. And even that,
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and intimacy. Yes. Yeah. And then hopeful, like what I've felt the invitation to be with my sisters is like, they have a mom and she's, she's kick ass, like no notes. Yeah.
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So I can take that pressure off, right? Like I don't need to be that kind of voice to them. And so what becomes possible if I am in more of this with space?
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Yeah, and even like I think that shows up in the moments of play, that shows up in the moments of transgression, right? Like you heard a sister, you say something off the cuff and angry. I feel like for a lot of us, our sister is our first person who like deeply wounded us and that we deeply, where it was like, ooh, I used my words as weapons. And the front row seat of that is a sister. And so like,
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That was even something I carried with Libby and Ellie, where it was like, I let them say things to me that it was like, a child would never speak that way to someone 15 years older than them. And I was cultivating that. Not that that's okay, but I can take your anger. You can bring that. And you decided that you wanted the intimacy that would come in a relationship that maybe didn't have the
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the structure of even politeness or authority or older sister. You were like, no, I want to be at the front row seat of the hard, the embarrassing, you say the embarrassing things, the things you need to apologize for and come back to like, I'm here with you in this.
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A couple Christmases ago, we were around the kitchen table and just serving it back and forth to each other and Libby saying something about style. She goes, I mean, Katie, you get it. You're middle-aged. And I was like, what? Wow. Wow. But I was like, okay, okay. You get to this age.
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Yeah, you just wait. You just wait. I'm circling back to this. But it's like I want that with her. Just like I want that with my sisterhood friends, right? It's like you don't know that the friendship's not deep until it's had that kind of like ferocity to it. Mm-hmm. Totally. I know.
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I know so much. I could keep going. I'm like, if you want me to keep going, I got more stories. Things my sister told me. I'm here to transition into your space and then see where that leads. I love it. Okay. I'm sure you can hear me. You hear me, yes? Okay.
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I'm not sure whether or not it's normal to text your old friends who live 3,000 miles away and ask them to take off work to help you bury your
Sister-like Friendships Through Shared Grief
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dog. It always comes naturally to me to want to be with another in life events, to have experiences with a friend whose very being knows me sheerly from shared body memories collected over the years.
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When it comes to relationships, I feel rich. I love my sisters. There's no one in the world like those two. We hold so many of the same. Eye color, parents, food preferences, common language, voice inflections, secret recipes, inside jokes, and unusual traditions. But the richness I never expected was to have friends who are like sisters.
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Of course, when I did text and asked them to bury my dog with me, they immediately said yes. So on a work trip to Minnesota, I added a few hundred mile detour and went to Seattle. Mel was waiting at the airport. She stood with me at the car rental counter as I awkwardly begged for a truck to rent and stared into space when the attendant asked me why I needed a truck.
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Are you making an Ikea run, she joked? I panicked. I didn't wanna lie. I didn't wanna tell her that I had to carry my dead dog across a ferry to bury him. But Mel stepped in and the next thing I knew it, we were sitting in a truck. Within an hour, I was with six of my girlfriends talking as if we had seen each other last week instead of last year. My heart melted into the safety of this family. This family I had built over the last 15 years,
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Early the next morning, we boarded a ferry to my land, catching up over hours of uninterrupted conversations flowing as if we hadn't seen each other for months. What didn't seem strange at all was how easily we began to survey the land with our shovels to dig a grave.
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These women had buried with me before. Somehow our bodies knew the pressure of the shovel as it cut through the dirt. Our booted feet next to each other in cadence. It wasn't difficult to let laughter and tears flow whenever they found themselves amidst any of our faces. It felt like being home.
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But an eternal home where there aren't any bills to pay or dirty clothes to wash. Something about friends who know how to help you bury and who know how to help you birth are friends like sisters. On the way home, we knew we had but minutes before we had to say goodbye. I had to catch a red eye and I didn't know the next time I would see them. We pulled into a Starbucks quickly.
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Mal went up to order our drinks. She knew them all by heart. And she knew to give us all our secret Starbucks name because we never give our real name at Starbucks. When they called our name for the order, I began to cry. I began to cry because I have never been known so well, loved so well, seen so well, sistered so well.
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He did such a gorgeous job of just layering in organically all of the details and nuances of sisterhood, right? The inside jokes, the seemingly inappropriate but critical life asks, right? You know a sister because you ask her about the burying of a dog or the coming in the midst of loss.
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That's so beautiful.
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because your body needs it, right? It aches for that kind of shared knowing to do the hard thing. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I love that I have sisters, blood sisters, that I can ask of those things and who have done those things with me. But I think I feel so surprised by the kindness of these friendships.
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that in these moments where we are, I will never forget. So I have this property that we don't have the money to build anything on it yet, but we have this property and we knew that's where we're going to bury my dog that was still in Seattle, that we left in Seattle because he was so old when we moved to the East Coast. Going back there, we're looking over the property,
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and it was just seamless. I'm sitting there with two friends, one friend who doesn't even like dogs. So the fact that she took off work and would be with us, she just knew she would be nowhere else but there. I don't know.
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I don't live, especially being in a new town, I don't live with those friendships every day anymore. When you're building new friendships, there's not the ease of, would you come with me and help me bury my dog? There's not the ease of, if I showed up, could you be with me in this moment and know who I am much more expansively than this moment? So it was funny that
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at that moment in Starbucks whenever this secret fun little practice of not using our real names or someone knowing your coffee drink because they've known you for 20 years.
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It's such a royal gift. It's such a weight in gold and you just realize how wealthy you feel and there's no amount of money. There's no amount of anything I would give up to not have that knowing.
Unbreakable Bonds in Critical Moments
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So there was just that sweet moment and also probably the tears of I'm leaving them and not knowing when I'll see them again.
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But the feeling of sisterhood and when it's just like a sister, you pick up like nothing ever happened between the space in between.
00:28:33
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I was going to say with those women, did you feel like there was a defining moment when you knew they were sisters? Or did it sort of sneak up on you gradually where a moment like this, it was like, well, of course, I'm calling these women, just because it's become a part of your body without even a mindfulness.
00:28:57
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Yeah. It sounds so terrible, but I know it because of death. I know it because they were with me when I buried my son. My friend Mel, who met me at the airport, she buried her daughter two days before I buried my son. So there's something of our bond.
00:29:19
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with our grief and with our loss of our children together at the same time. And not every relationship has that, but we have all experienced grief and death in some form or fashion. And when we invite people into those places, there's such a potential for intimacy and for bonding. And so when Mel and I were pushing that shovel in the ground and digging a grave,
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Our body memory knew what it meant to be near a grave or to put children in a grave. These deep, harrowing moments that we had survived
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and each other's presence next to each other. Now, again, maybe it's not bearing actually a child with a friend, but we've known what it's like to have someone not show up at the altar the day you thought they would. We know what it's like to have someone break our hearts and walk away.
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We know what it's like to have to bury a parent. And the people who show up, I think at weddings and at funerals, those are the people I think that we trust the most in this world. And I think if we want to be friends like sisters, we start there.
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Yeah, I am totally with you because that was what I was thinking in my head of like the moment you know a sister is typically, it's often a tragedy moment, right? Because like lots of people come to the wedding. Certainly, certainly the sisters come, but like you know the sisters because of the deaths. And I was just like pondering in my mind the like
00:31:09
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the ritual of grieving and celebration, birthing and losing life. Like I think it's our sisters who perform those rituals with us that like kind of ground us. And then that's the unbreakable tissue that like draws us forward.
00:31:30
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It's so true. Again, I'm always caught even when we're talking in church around the story of Jesus's death of the women who prepared his body for the tomb. And I'm like, there is something about
00:31:48
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If you were there together, it doesn't matter if you knew each other before, but there's something probably that changed those women in that tomb that they never felt unbonded after that moment.
Building Deep Friendships: Showing Up
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And so I think you're right. When people show up at a funeral or when there's loss,
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It matters. And I do think for weddings, for birthdays, I think these moments where birth and where death are happening, it's an invitation because people ask me all the time, well, I don't live next to my friends or how do I make that happen? And I think an intentional 24 hour flight to someone on their birthday or when someone they love dies, it's amazing what 24 hours of intentionality can do in a friendship.
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and can make happen in a friendship. I think we want a recipe for it and I actually think there's one there. I think you show up to someone's 24 hours of greatest need and just serve and you're there. I think it makes a difference. I think it changes the lifetime of that friendship. I love that. Yeah. Listening to your story, I just felt the invitation of
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What was unique about the season when I had that breakup was I could not put back together. My grief was just everywhere, and so people drew close because it was so exposed. I think I struggle to articulate need and say, hey, friend.
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I'm not having a mega death right now. I'm not bleeding out, but this is what death is tasting like in my day-to-day right now, and I could use a sister. And I just loved that you called and asked in a moment that felt big, right? And the sister showed up, and it's like, we don't know that the sisters are going to show up if we don't ask. And so I felt that invitation of like, ask, Katie.
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That's what I want to bring forward. I love that. May it be so for both of us. Thank you for sharing. Same.
Reflections on Sisterhood Lessons
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Listening to one of my daughters talk about their experience is always provoking for me and today was no exception. And truthfully, I have learned so much about sisterhood from my own four daughters and from watching them with one another because I did not grow up with any sisters.
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I am sure that you were touched just like me when Katie painted the picture of Libby's words to her, I will always be right here and you can always come home. Sistering is about secure attachment, which was spoken so truly and clearly by a three-year-old, was such a beautiful picture.
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I thought it was important when Katie named that often our earliest wounds come at the hand of the sister. And then along with that also comes our earliest learning about how to repair, which is how important that is.
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And in Christie's story, I felt my longings provoked multiple times. But when she talked about her friend ordering their Starbucks drinks using their secret Starbucks names, I felt inside like, I want a secret Starbucks name shared with a sister friend.
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And her words just after that, she said, I have never been known, loved, seen, sistered so well. You pick up like there's nothing that's happened in the space in between. And that also painted this picture for me that felt so vivid and clear about what sistering is really about.
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Together, Katie and Christy agreed that it is loss and death that bond us most deeply. And they touched on the fact that there are rituals that exist in that space. And I think that's so true.
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My takeaways for this week are two. One is that sistering is about withness. It says, I am in it with you. And the other is that sistering includes asking, making the vulnerable call to say, I need you. And it includes answering that call and showing up.
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I'm going to be thinking about those things this week. And already I can feel the gratitude that is inside of me for the women who I have that feel like sisters for me. And there's the invitation just to imagine what it is to make that vulnerable ask.
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And that can be hard for me. And also to have eyes and ears that are open and aware and ready to answer the call and show up when the need is there. So
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