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EPISODE 70 - PATRIOTS ARE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL
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Patriots' Journey to the Super Bowl
00:00:00
Savage Boston
Hi guys, welcome back to the Savage Boston Podcast. We are here today. It is January 27th, 2026, 830 at night, and we are recording coming off the AFC Championship.
00:00:13
Savage Boston
I'm here with my regular co-host, we're with Snooty Boston on Twitter and and Brett. And Brett not on Twitter, but Brett is here nonetheless. um Yeah, man, so this is like, it's crazy.
00:00:27
Bret
It's mean, don't know.
00:00:27
Savage Boston
I mean, I know we're going to touch on a lot today, but but the fact that the Patriots are in the Super Bowl is unbelievable. I think just the the turnaround has been unbelievable. I can't – you can't put it into words. It's crazy what they've done. And nobody, nobody, nobody had them here.
00:00:44
Savage Boston
Truly nobody. I mean, we said it. The ceiling of this team was 11 wins. Like, they're in their last 17 games. So they've earned it. Don't let anybody tell you they haven't earned it with the path, whatever.
00:00:57
Bret
Thank you.
00:00:59
Savage Boston
They fucking earned it. And this AFC Championship game was a slugfest. It was an absolute slugfest, man. And like Vrabel, to be completely fair, Vrabel outcoached Sean Payton.
00:01:13
Savage Boston
Sean Payton made one of the dumber mistakes that we all said in real time. Like, why aren't you taking the points here? Like, that was... ah a terrible call that they might go down in their history.
00:01:25
Savage Boston
They might remember like you're about, they probably win that game or maybe not, but like you're up 10, nothing, the Patriots office couldn't function. So to me, that was just, ah that was insane.
00:01:34
Snooty
to me.
00:01:36
Savage Boston
So I want to kick it off with that just as a, as a little intro, but before we dissect the game, before I throw it to the guys, I wanted to touch on is this news drop today.
Bill Belichick and Hall of Fame Controversy
00:01:47
Savage Boston
that Bill Belichick is not going to be a first ballot hall of famer. And, and I think we all agree. And I see just like the entire sports world agrees that it's, it it feels insane.
00:02:00
Savage Boston
And it's, it's basically the opposite of what you want from a voting body. It's like just this, not based on merit. It's based on their voting is based on pettiness and anger and resentment towards Bill Belichick over years. So, Why don't I kick the snooty first? What was your initial take on the Belichick not getting into the hall?
00:02:22
Snooty
So, full disclosure, I've believed for many, many years now that the process is a fucking joke. It's a bunch of fucking high school kids voting for their popular friends and like all that bullshit. The people that they want to like them. The people that were nice to them. It's the only explanation you have for someone like John Lynch not only being in over Rodney Harrison, but being in many, many years before he before it. There's absolutely zero metrics that would support that anywhere ever.
00:02:51
Snooty
That's almost as egregious, though not nearly as egregious, as Bill Belichick being left out. Reportedly, Bill Polian, he, I can't believe he's a Hall of Famer. What the fuck has that guy ever done to get into the Hall of Fame? That's a fucking joke. His time with the Colts.
00:03:06
Snooty
Fuck off, dude. His time with the bills. What the fuck did they win with the bills? Bupkis. He's a fucking piece of shit. He's a fucking hypocrite. Fuck that guy. I can't, I can barely hear him talk over all that fucking crowd noise. He's got piping in from the fuck from fucking Lucas oil stadium and bullshit. Fuck him.
00:03:23
Snooty
I can't believe this has happened. It's really like any shred of decency or dignity that this fucking place had left. And this process had is now completely gone. The voting system is moronic.
00:03:34
Snooty
You guys, someone was, was, One of the voters was like, look, I voted for him, but like there's basically... sounded like weighted voting or like tiered voting and like all this bullshit.
00:03:43
Savage Boston
It's like three votes and there's 50 voters and...
00:03:44
Snooty
Yeah, and I'm like, that's fucking stupid. it's It's like, yes or no. He's in or not, dude. like This is moronic. The whole process is a fucking sham. It's been a sham forever. like So...
00:03:55
Snooty
I hate it. I also don't understand why sports writers are the ones that get get to vote. I honestly feel like I'm more qualified to vote than three quarters of those voters on that on that panel. Truthfully. like And that's not hyperbole. i I honestly feel like I am. Most of those guys spend more time covering their own teams or covering the teams that they are on the beat for than they do covering the rest of the NFL.
00:04:19
Snooty
That's how it is. It's like name brand. And then you get all, it's, only 50 of them or whatever. So then all the little, you know, the fucking politicking and all that bullshit happens. And that's how this shit happens. So it's a fucking disgrace. It stains the leg, the, the legacy, whatever dignity and and grace that place that had left is now completely fucking tarnished.
Patriots and Hall of Fame Comparisons
00:04:37
Snooty
Fuck Bill Pullian.
00:04:38
Snooty
Fuck the c Colts.
00:04:40
Savage Boston
I feel that. That's a good rant. I like it. I'm feeling it in my bones. Pre-Super Bowl rant. Brett, how do you feel?
00:04:48
Bret
Yeah, speaking of Super Bowl and what happened Belichick, this just makes me feel like we are officially back, boys. like the
00:04:54
Savage Boston
We're so bad.
00:04:55
Bret
The hate is through the roof. It's amazing to see. um Yeah, so the guy that brought it out was Mike Sando. I guess he's out of ah he's in the athletic, and he kind of talked about all the criteria and how he anticipated that there would probably be a change, but...
00:05:15
Bret
I don't know. we've we've talked to I think we've talked a little bit about Hall of Fame on the podcast. I know we've talked about it externally. To me, there's just no credibility in any of them. They're all pretty much a joke.
00:05:28
Bret
And this just solidifies the football side of things to say, yeah I don't know how you can look confidently at anyone and tell them that Bill Belichick with all of his resume, including all of the tarnish that he had at different points with the unlimited amount of gates that got way overblown and out of proportion.
00:05:52
Bret
to say that guy is not a first ballot hall of famer. Like get the fuck out of here. It's just, it's a joke. It just, it's what what I think is great is how many people have come out across the board and have basically commented how egregious of a snub that is.
00:06:12
Bret
I just think at the end of the day, it's just kiss the ring, bitches, because we have those Super Bowls. You can't take those trophies away from us. I don't fucking care. And you're just going to keep on throwing dirt at it.
00:06:25
Bret
So we'll see what happens with Kraft, right, and how things dialed in with Kraft's side of things. But obviously from Belichick, You know, complete snub. I'd be curious to see what his comments are. i don't think he's released any statement or anything yet from Jordan. So we'll see what his statement is coming out of this. But just a complete and utter joke.
00:06:48
Bret
um Yeah, no credibility.
00:06:51
Savage Boston
well i want to bring this up too just on the hall of fame topic for the patriots for their dynasties slash two dynasties one dynasty whatever you want to call it right how many hall of famers do they have from 20 years of greatness that are in and i i know off the top of my head there's minimum two i think there's a third i'm not sure if he's in yet, but like, so the two I know are in are Ty Law and Richard Seymour.
00:07:18
Savage Boston
Those two are in. um and Who, who's the, there's, I know there's a third. Is Vinatieri, did Vinatieri actually get in yet? Are they still snubbing him?
00:07:27
Snooty
I don't think he's in yet.
00:07:28
Bret
He's not in yet.
00:07:30
Savage Boston
Okay.
00:07:30
Bret
I think he's up this year.
00:07:32
Snooty
Him, Will Fork, and Harrison should get him.
00:07:32
Bret
Like, I think he's one of the finalists.
00:07:36
Savage Boston
Yeah. So I, and I think there's, I believe there's one more that's going to do that.
00:07:39
Snooty
Oh, Moss. Moss, technically.
00:07:43
Savage Boston
Well, yeah, so like, okay, so yeah, Ty Law.
00:07:44
Bret
So, Ty Law,
00:07:48
Bret
Seymour, Moss, but a yeah, but no.
00:07:49
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:07:53
Savage Boston
Is that it?
00:07:53
Bret
you know,
00:07:55
Savage Boston
That's it for the dynasty. Okay, so we got Moss who actually didn't win one with us, unfortunately, right? But obviously he's an all-time great, not just a Patriot
00:08:01
Snooty
Yeah, I wouldn't count him as a patriot, though.
00:08:04
Savage Boston
So then what we have two again, and and there's no others.
00:08:04
Snooty
You know?
00:08:06
Savage Boston
You sure? Like, so if, if it's just Seymour and law, we're talking, you have, I mean, I think this is a good point. Like you have 20 years of domination, 20 And, and it's like, how many hall of famers did, when how many hall of famers did the Cowboys have from their three championships?
00:08:27
Savage Boston
How many hall of famers did the 49ers have from their dynasty? How about the Steelers? Like, What I'm getting at here, and I think is the obvious point is why aren't there more Patriots in the Pro Football Hall of Fame?
00:08:42
Savage Boston
Because from the second half of this dynasty, how many are there are going to be? I mean, Tom Brady obviously eclipses all of it, but from the second half, just Gronk?
00:08:55
Savage Boston
One?
00:08:57
Bret
Yeah.
00:08:57
Savage Boston
mean, that's what I mean. Like, how could you just have one? They went to Super Bowls in four to five years. How could you have one Hall Famer?
00:09:04
Snooty
Yeah.
00:09:07
Savage Boston
So that seems kind of like make me crazy.
00:09:07
Bret
Yeah, I mean, Rodney feels like a Rodney's a steal. The fact that that guy is not in is a joke.
00:09:14
Savage Boston
Well, again, like, yeah, Rodney Harrison should be in. You know, Vinatieri obviously should be in.
00:09:17
Bret
Vince Wolfwork.
00:09:19
Savage Boston
I think Wilford could be in. You know, Gronk will get in.
00:09:21
Bret
Yeah.
00:09:23
Savage Boston
um You could argue Edelman if you want, but he didn't have the the full career metrics. But, like, know, they're not going to put in, like, you know, to someone like Dante Hightower that was a hero for us or Devin McCourty.
00:09:34
Savage Boston
Like, some of these guys that were amazing players for us. Like, why doesn't dar Devin McCourty get a sniff just because he's not Ed Reed?
00:09:40
Bret
that.
00:09:41
Savage Boston
Like, why doesn't Devin McCourty get a sniff at the Hall? Like, you had guys that were dominant players for so long with this team. And I, and what, I mean, you, you guys tell me why, why, why don't they have more hall of famers?
00:09:57
Snooty
The 70s Steelers had 10 plus the head coach plus the owner. 80s 49ers had 6 plus the head coach plus the owner. The 90s Cowboys have 6 plus the head coach head coach plus the owner.
00:10:09
Savage Boston
So it's telling that 70 Steelers at how many 10 plus 10 hall of fame, plus head coach, plus the owner.
00:10:09
Snooty
And the 50s had 10.
00:10:18
Snooty
Yeah.
00:10:19
Savage Boston
Cowboy was the 80s Niners at how many?
00:10:22
Snooty
6 plus the owner.
00:10:22
Bret
Six
00:10:23
Savage Boston
Six?
00:10:23
Snooty
And this is Curtis...
00:10:25
Bret
plus a coach and the owner. So that technically eight from that error.
00:10:27
Snooty
Yeah. So it's really, if you want to think of 12 and eight, including if you count head coach and owner for all three, it's 12, 10, eight.
00:10:29
Savage Boston
Okay. And the Cowboys at how many?
00:10:38
Snooty
And they're going to have, they'll have one, two, three, four, eight, five.
00:10:38
Savage Boston
Okay, so
00:10:44
Savage Boston
Hold on. Okay. Let me review this. So Steelers, 12, 12 for the Steelers, including coach and owner.
00:10:49
Snooty
Yep.
00:10:49
Savage Boston
The 49ers were 10, including coach and owner.
00:10:53
Snooty
Uh, eight.
00:10:56
Savage Boston
Eight, including the coach and owner.
00:10:58
Snooty
Yeah.
00:10:59
Savage Boston
And then the nineties Cowboys were how many six, including the coach and the owner.
00:11:03
Snooty
Eight.
00:11:04
Savage Boston
We're another eight.
00:11:05
Snooty
Yep.
00:11:05
Savage Boston
So 12, eight, eight.
00:11:07
Snooty
Yep.
00:11:07
Bret
Mm-hmm.
00:11:08
Savage Boston
All right. You guys go, you guys pontificate.
00:11:10
Snooty
I mean, like... It's a, you know, you can hear Felger being like, oh, boo, boo, you know, blah, like Patriot bias. It's not, come on. Like this is actively like people from other regions, professional sports writers that are supposed to be holier than thou and super pious and super, you know, um, you know, evil, even across the board and all that bullshit. Like they're not, they're not at all. Will Fork should be in Harrison should have been in a long time ago.
00:11:41
Snooty
um So that alone would be the old one. And then really into the new one, it's really just Gronk. And and I guess, I mean, Brady's obviously both, fans both, but Brady, the fact that Robert Kraft isn't in is a joke. The fact that Bill Belichick didn't just get in is a joke. whole thing's a fucking joke. I don't even care anymore.
00:11:58
Snooty
Fuck him. I'm almost glad it happened because then it just sheds light on like how just horrible they are just in general.
00:12:07
Savage Boston
Yeah, it's – I don't really get Yeah, Brad, you have any thoughts on like ah why why they have so few? compared i mean, again, like I want – you'd have to tell me the number. is I need the actual number for the Patriots.
00:12:18
Savage Boston
So, obviously, the owner owner and the coach aren't in yet.
00:12:19
Snooty
I mean, yeah,
00:12:22
Savage Boston
Technically, you can include Moss. So, that is so that's three because, again, Brady's not in yet. Gronk's not in yet. It's it's just Moss, Seymour, and what you call it?
00:12:36
Savage Boston
Ty Law. That's
00:12:39
Snooty
I mean, it's going to five, right, if you count off for sure. Because it's, well, hey, Coach Owner. Okay.
00:12:46
Savage Boston
I'm saying, but head coach in order for the Patriots aren't in.
00:12:49
Snooty
Right, so I'm saying, like, just in general, like,
00:12:58
Snooty
i think ah I think just in general, the ah the the general issue would be that it's going to be, like, overall, if you assume the people that are going to get in, it's going to be Gronk, Brady, the two that are already in, plus the head coach and the owner. That's six.
00:13:15
Savage Boston
Yeah, but that didn't happen. Hold on. I'm going to pause this real quick. on All right. Sorry. Recording again. We had a small technical issue. But, yeah, so we're getting into the Hall of Fame stuff and and just, again, like why – what is the bias? And I know that obviously we're we're Pat's fans, so I understand there – we're going to be biased for the Patriots in some respect. But, like, some of this stuff is starting to not make sense.
00:13:38
Savage Boston
it's It's not making sense that they have so few Hall of Famers um versus, again, these other dynasties seem to have so many and go down in history. Again, like, you know, why would the 70s Steelers have 12 Hall of Famers, including the coach? And the Patriots 20-year dynasty right now have, what, three Hall of Famers,
00:13:59
Savage Boston
including, and that's it. And no owner or coach yet. So like, this is a 20 year run, the best in history. Why don't they have more respect right now? And what is it about the the league? Is it just Spygate?
00:14:11
Savage Boston
People are still mad about Spygate that he, by which by the way, has nothing to do with filming practices. It just, he filmed the other team sideline during a game, which everyone does on camera. So like,
00:14:21
Snooty
He filmed it from the incorrect location.
00:14:24
Savage Boston
yeah, that's it.
00:14:25
Snooty
that's the it's i mean I'm not going to go into a deep dive into it, but like it is what it is.
00:14:30
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:14:31
Snooty
Anyway.
00:14:33
Savage Boston
Yeah,
00:14:33
Snooty
Guys,
AFC Championship Analysis
00:14:34
Savage Boston
that's crazy.
00:14:34
Snooty
we're going to the fucking Super Bowl.
00:14:36
Savage Boston
I know. right, let's put, we can go back in the Super Bowl stuff where like, I mean, yeah, what do you, st you want to kick off? me your initial take on the game. What was your takeaway? How do you feel like it it played out and what's kind of your, your big takeaways from the game?
00:14:52
Snooty
so i mean it was It was a rock fight, right it's kind of which we kind of expected. um thought there'd be a little bit more offense on both sides. and and would It would have been interesting to see if, whether permitted, the Patriots ah offense could have responded better in the second half like they did in the first two playoff games.
00:15:08
Snooty
um They certainly came out. That first drive in the second half was awesome. Outside of you know, not scoring a touchdown, kicking the field goal there. They, yeah you know, nine minute drive, primarily running the ball, right. Which is, you know, get some confidence back in the O line, particularly on your left side. um Get the ground game going a little bit. Like that's, that's good. That's awesome stuff. That's going to pay dividends, you know, in the Superbowl. I thought the left side of the line was much better this week than, than last. There were a lot of people online saying, you know, put in Verdari and low and all that. Like,
00:15:40
Snooty
I thought Campbell was fine. He was okay. He wasn't great. He wasn't horrible either. Like, he had the one, you know, he the complete whiff on ah Benito there on the cop on the the cut block. But, you know, other than that, like, I don't think it was it was a bad game from him overall. um The defense, I mean, man, your defense, your D-line keeps playing like this. You can beat pretty much anybody at this point. Like, D-line, especially into inside, keeps playing like that. And Chase on, he looked awesome too.
00:16:09
Snooty
and And I know i know the O-line for the Broncos is probably overrated, and some of that's on how quick Knicks gets the ball out and runs and stuff like that.
00:16:10
Savage Boston
You had a great game. He's playing well.
00:16:18
Snooty
But they did still have two all-pro all pro players on there, and they made both players look silly at points. So, I mean, there's there's a lot you can take away from that. I thought, look, I don't give a shit.
00:16:30
Snooty
You win, there's no style points. It's the playoffs. It's win or go home, and they found a way to win. So um I don't see how you can't be really happy about this game.
00:16:39
Savage Boston
Yeah. bret what do you think?
00:16:40
Bret
i
00:16:40
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:16:40
Bret
First time in franchise history we've run in dan over there in Denver, so take that for what it is. It was obviously tale of two halves. The weather was such a significant factor in that second half.
00:16:56
Bret
um And when we look at it, I think you talk about it earlier at the top where basically Vrabel outcoached you know, what we were doing and like won the, won the day. And I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that he didn't go away from the run. He knew that that was essentially what was available and he trusted his defense to continue to win the field game and basically hold them, you know, to not getting a single point. So obviously the first half,
00:17:30
Bret
That's an area where we just continuously struggle as an ah offense. i don't The weather was not as much of a factor in the first half, and we just couldn't seem to put it together. The only seven points we were able to get was off of a turnover that put us already in the red zone. So...
00:17:46
Bret
Offense needs to figure it out. I agree. i think the line was better than what it was in previous weeks. So they they are by and large improving. um Yeah, we had the false start from Campbell. We had the sack from Campbell. He also had a pretty bad sack from Moses on the outside.
00:18:04
Bret
You know, you look at that rush that had... where it was kind of an all-out blitz and, um you know, he tried to throw it to Stevenson, but it May couldn't get a proper throw on it because he got rushed quickly. That really looked like it was on Wilson. So,
00:18:21
Bret
you know I think there's going to be continued criticism when it comes to Campbell, but as we talked about the last one, I think i don't think it's warranted. People have to temper their expectations, realize that these are the elite of the elite, and the guy's a rookie playing in ah you know a difficult situation. So I think, by and large, he did well.
00:18:45
Bret
I think by and large, the offensive line did well. I'm a little concerned with the wide receivers and their ability to get open. And then I'm concerned with what's going on with May and his ability to connect because he had opportunities. He underthrew guys. He overthrew guys. Like something wasn't
Concerns Over QB May's Performance
00:19:00
Bret
right there. And I know today was all about May's right shoulder and where is that, which is a big talking point right now. don't.
00:19:08
Bret
Don't envision him not playing, but he just doesn't look right. Things are not in sync there, and I don't know what it is we got to do to correct it for May because, yeah, our D-line can keep us in the game. it's We're going to win or lose based on May's success, bottom line.
00:19:24
Savage Boston
Yeah, especially in the Super Bowl. I would say at first, so for Campbell, Campbell was decent in this game. I mean, I didn't go watching every single rep, but I know for the most part he did not give up any sacks.
00:19:35
Savage Boston
I have a working theory on on Campbell. Snooty will be able to – check me on this. My working in theory is I think he just struggles like everyone in the world would struggle with like the freaky, like the freak types. And what I mean by that is like Miles Garrett, right?
00:19:52
Savage Boston
Incredibly fast, but also powerful, rangy, long arms. like Like Miles Garrett kind of does everything. Will Anderson, big, tall, fast, rangy, long arm, right? It's that big, the freaky mold, right? But you got a guy like Nick Bonino is like 240.
00:20:10
Savage Boston
He's not the elite size guy. He's a speed guy. And he has a ton of sacks. But I think in my am my marking theory is Campbell's handling the speed dudes really well because he's fast with the shorter arms. Like I think he's running up the field, the speed guys. But when he's scared of the bull rush, he I don't think he was scared of Nick Bonino.
00:20:29
Savage Boston
And Nick Bonino did shit in this game. Like Campbell handled him. He was fine. And he's a good run blocker.
00:20:35
Snooty
You're onto something there? cause so I actually looked this up going into the game last week. Anderson and Benito are actually closer in size than you think, but and Anderson's arms are like two or three inches longer.
00:20:43
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:20:47
Snooty
he's like He's a freak.
00:20:47
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:20:48
Snooty
like He's literally built. He's like Garrett. He's literally built to play the end, but he has a power move.
00:20:53
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:20:55
Snooty
Anderson does. Garrett has a power move. Guys that can do both. i mean, it's um it's common sense, right? Guys that can do both. like You can't just set deep. and real deep expecting the speed if you have to you know worry about anchoring for the you know the the inside move or the bull rush or whatever. um He does do better against guys that are speed versus some combination of both, obviously, but then also even just power guys.
00:21:18
Snooty
He does better against speed.
00:21:19
Savage Boston
Well, I think some of the size listed is like, I don't, I don't think is accurate.
00:21:20
Snooty
Hey,
00:21:24
Savage Boston
Like I don't, I don't know. Nick Benito doesn't strike me as a huge guy. Like miles Garrett is his last measurement was like six, four, two 70.
00:21:28
Snooty
last minute.
00:21:30
Savage Boston
I think that's accurate. Like he's a, he's a beast and he's crazy at that size.
00:21:34
Snooty
Yeah.
00:21:35
Savage Boston
Like his muscle mass, Willie Anderson, I think during the draft was like two 46, four similar.
00:21:39
Snooty
That's what I was looking at.
00:21:40
Savage Boston
I don't buy that.
00:21:40
Snooty
Yeah.
00:21:41
Savage Boston
To me, he's like 255, 260.
00:21:41
Snooty
Not anymore.
00:21:43
Savage Boston
Like he's a monster.
00:21:43
Snooty
Yeah.
00:21:45
Savage Boston
So don't, same with Daniil Hunter. Like I don't, I don't buy that. Nick Benito though, it feels like more of that speed guy.
00:21:50
Bret
You got it.
00:21:50
Savage Boston
But anyway, I think Campbell did, did really well. So, I mean, I want to touch on that. Like, you know, people are saying it's a 180. It's not a 180. Like I'm not trying to take a 180. You criticize the guy if he plays poorly. I'm trying to commend him if he plays well. I think he stepped up and played well.
00:22:05
Savage Boston
The offense, though, like going back and watching and stuff, like the offense was just could not function. I mean, quite literally could not function. I don't know if it was just May being, again, like Phil Perry had this report recently, like that ah he heard May might have been banged up before the game was played, which might have made some sense because May was just missing guys low.
00:22:25
Savage Boston
And I was like, why does he keep missing guys low? Like he's not, they didn't, he didn't have it And so, again, if he's hurt, he could have been legitimately hurt. You just got to hope, though, in the next two weeks, it's enough time for him to get better.
00:22:39
Savage Boston
And here's the other upside is you're going to play somewhere that might be 55 degrees and the weather is normal. And they're going to walk in there and be like, holy shit, this normal weather? Like, they're gonna be like the offense is going move the football probably.
00:22:54
Savage Boston
Yeah. And and ah yeah, I think it's, I mean, a game, i don't know what else you guys saw from May, but I think he was just awesome.
00:23:02
Bret
Well, we talked about a little bit during the game, and I know it was reported out afterwards. He sped up a bit. He was rushing and making decisions when the pressure wasn't there and didn't have to.
00:23:12
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:23:15
Bret
So that's ah that's that internal clock. And i don't know if it's a combination between environment, playoffs, jitters. It's, you know, the line's been kind of shaky the prior two weeks, and he's just kind of compounding on top of each other where he's not trusting it.
00:23:34
Bret
Or it's just a combination of all the above. it's That's an area of concern. For whatever reason, he sped up, which is not what we were seeing during the regular season.
00:23:45
Bret
And that's probably the one that's a bigger concern. I do feel like those missed throws will come back around for him just because the guy has the ability. and I don't think this arm injury, whatever it is going on with the shoulder, is significant enough that like he can't deliver.
00:24:03
Bret
so i mean He was showing enough at points to say like great ball, great throw, but... To me, it's the spit-up part that I think is most concerning because that's all mental.
00:24:16
Bret
And this is the first time he's really shown that and hasn't kicked it. Normally, he shows it, and then like the second half or the next game, he's got it like re or he's corrected it. Here, it's like it's been an issue now for a little while in the playoffs.
00:24:34
Snooty
I think it would also look like they really beat it into him to not turn the ball over. So he was like, to your point, very sped up, very concerned about the rush, like very like don't fuck up, don't fuck up, don't fuck up. That being said, he almost threw a pick on the first drive, but I'm sure that didn't help either.
00:24:53
Snooty
um
00:24:53
Bret
No.
00:24:55
Snooty
But he still made a few throws that, you know, We're close. I mean, look, I didn't expect a huge passing game. I also didn't expect them to go after Sertan as much as they did.
00:25:06
Snooty
i mean, I'm like, what what are you doing?
00:25:07
Savage Boston
why was he Why was he targeting Sertan with boot?
00:25:08
Bret
Yeah, really really odd.
00:25:11
Savage Boston
I mean, it feels like that's just a mismatch, man.
00:25:12
Snooty
I'm like, what are you guys doing?
00:25:14
Savage Boston
It's a mismatch.
00:25:14
Snooty
What are you doing?
00:25:16
Snooty
Throw at the other guy. Don't throw at him. Like,
00:25:16
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:25:18
Bret
It's not worth it. I just didn't understand it. And Sertan played that like perfectly. like
00:25:23
Snooty
yeah. Well, he...
00:25:24
Savage Boston
Well, he's he's like the best.
00:25:24
Bret
Textbook.
00:25:25
Savage Boston
He's just straight the best corner in football.
00:25:26
Snooty
Yeah, he's probably the best corner in the game.
00:25:27
Savage Boston
He's a freak.
00:25:29
Snooty
He's see's amazing, right?
00:25:30
Savage Boston
Yeah, he's
00:25:30
Snooty
like
00:25:31
Savage Boston
He's like Gonzo, like very similar to Gonzo. I mean, he's long, rangy, just does everything really, really well. I don't know why they thought Booty... I like how Booty's played, obviously. He's just not that elite separator guy. Like, if the play goes long enough, Booty can get some separation maybe, but like...
00:25:49
Savage Boston
I don't I think the weapons, the weapons problem rears its head again, where you look at the Patriots weapons, quote unquote, like we're talking before the season. You're like, all right, like how many guys do they have here that can really separate? If they get you in clamps on man, how many guys can truly generate separation other than Josh just scheming it up and like,
00:26:09
Savage Boston
It feels like they were having trouble. I mean, obviously they were having trouble. In the first half, the weather wasn't even that bad. But they they couldn't. Something about the whether it was the scheme, just execution. I mean, they were getting shut shut down in the first half.
00:26:22
Bret
Peace.
00:26:23
Savage Boston
Shut down.
00:26:24
Snooty
Yeah, nothing was working. Even running running the ball, nothing. um And there were even moments where I thought May had time, but he just, you know, kind of instead of stepping up and getting away from the pressure or staying in the pocket and just waiting an extra beat just to get the ball, like for someone to get open, like...
00:26:28
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:26:42
Snooty
It just, it wasn't working. So, I mean, I don't know. Maybe he is banged up and he didn't want to run as much, right? Because he's banged up. I don't know. He's taking a shitload of hits and the in the playoffs alone.
00:26:51
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:26:52
Snooty
just i know it's 15 sacks or whatever it is now, but the hits on top of that... um don't know. I mean, i I have confidence that with two weeks to go, like, A, May, and anybody else with, you know, ah bumps and bruises will start to get a little bit healthy.
00:27:09
Snooty
um Obviously, the Seahawks will as well. But I trust McDaniels with two weeks to scheme something up, to really dive into an opponent and kind of scheme something up, to have a a good game plan to get for the career.
00:27:21
Bret
and's surprising It's surprising hearing you say that with how much you have a disdain for McDaniels. And that was the other one I wanted to touch on I mean, obviously, great play call at the end and what ultimately sealed the deal with May rolling out.
00:27:37
Bret
But he did not have a great game. McDaniels did. ah Was not creative. i thought the decision-making that was put together with the plays and, like,
00:27:49
Bret
When they were doing it, that stupid decision to do like a direct snap in the red zone that almost turned into another fumble. Just not needed.
00:27:59
Bret
Cute little plays that just were not in good position. Not good timing. I feel like it was not a great game for him. um And it showed. So we'll see what happens because Mike McDaniel in Seattle is obviously an elite level defense again.
00:28:19
Bret
um And clearly the guy knows how to draw it off from a defensive front. I think Seattle is another complete style defense that we're going against. ah um And I don't know. I mean, yeah, i think two weeks to get him ready. He could be able to dial it up and figure out the right scheme to go through. But it was not a great go. Like, if you look at it, like, we outsmarted and outcoached Peyton, who's known as an offensive guru. And we really kind of shut his offense down, and he didn't really get much going.
00:28:56
Bret
Offensive side, would say, what's it, ven Van Jones? Vance? What's the guy's name?
00:29:01
Snooty
Vance Joseph.
00:29:01
Savage Boston
jones
00:29:02
Bret
Vance Joseph? Yeah.
00:29:04
Savage Boston
Yeah, he was a good defense, man.
00:29:04
Bret
I think he won the day. Really? Yeah.
00:29:07
Savage Boston
I think there's a few plays, especially in the first half, where it was like the Broncos really had an opportunity. You know, like that first bomb by Stidham. Good job, Stidham. Nice pass. He read it right. I mean, they were playing quarters, and I think Gonzo thought Hawkins was going to stay deep. Gonzo, like, he just gave up a bomb. I was i was shocked.
00:29:26
Savage Boston
but it was a good call and a good go route. And then I saw that one clips going around, which was the Mims, was the Mims screen on the right side early in the game that stood a mist.
00:29:37
Snooty
You
00:29:38
Savage Boston
Go watch that highlight. Cause Holy shit, that might've been a 60 yard house call.
00:29:42
Bret
Yeah, he had daylight forever.
00:29:43
Savage Boston
who That was, that was rough. I was watching that. real i was like, that's that, that was tough. So I think there's things like that.
00:29:48
Snooty
never know.
00:29:51
Savage Boston
What?
00:29:51
Snooty
ah well i was going to say, because I think that play that, I think my favorite play of the day was when Carlton Davis took on two blockers. on that screen. I think it was to Mims. He took on two blockers in the bubble screen and the, he held him like basically single handedly to a single yard game.
00:30:08
Snooty
And it was like, dude, it's fucking three on one. And you guys got a yard. The fuck is wrong with you guys?
00:30:13
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:30:14
Snooty
Like fucking terrible.
00:30:14
Savage Boston
yeah He's been playing hard too, man. Carl Davis is playing really hard. um But yeah, there was, and then obviously the big coaching penalty, the, ah sorry, the coaching call in fourth and one, I thought it was an atrocious call.
00:30:26
Savage Boston
And Sean Payton will again, will look back and say, yep, I fucked that up. Like that was, everyone in the world was like, why are you going for this? You're up 10, nothing. You got a backup. Like, I don't get it. I don't, I didn't get it then. I don't get it now.
00:30:38
Savage Boston
I don't even think the analytics even say to like, I think that was a really stupid, stupid call. And again, analytics can't fucking take into account human emotion.
00:30:42
Snooty
Pure hubris.
00:30:47
Savage Boston
They can't do it. And they can't take momentum and crowd energy. Like Analytics can't do that. They can't. is This is where they falter. If you fuck up, the swing is so aggressive.
00:30:59
Snooty
But the analytics work. from everybody who said this said we're to kick the ball to to take the points. So like, that's what It's pure hubris on, on Peyton's part.
00:31:06
Savage Boston
I don't know.
00:31:08
Snooty
Cause it's like, if conventional football says take the fucking points and analytics says, yeah, you should take the fucking points. And he's like, no, you know what? Yeah. I'm going to be the guy. I'm going to be the guru. We're going to do that.
00:31:18
Snooty
I'm going to do this like that. That was, that was all him just being a pompous ass.
00:31:21
Savage Boston
And that was just a good call. And then, but they, I think honestly, the Patriots adjusted better at half because the Patriots had a couple really long, good drives after that. Actually, they just didn't put points up, but may had a couple of okay drives or run it.
00:31:31
Snooty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:33
Savage Boston
Like they made adjustments. I think if the weather stays good, they win the game. Maybe you they win by 10 or 13.
00:31:39
Bret
Yeah.
00:31:40
Savage Boston
Like they were driving.
00:31:40
Bret
I agree. They look like they came out in that second and second half, and they look like they were starting to click a little bit, and then the weather just shut everything down. like
00:31:49
Savage Boston
Yeah, I agree.
00:31:49
Bret
You couldn't do it.
00:31:50
Savage Boston
I think they win that game.
00:31:50
Bret
Which was...
00:31:52
Savage Boston
Like, I think they would won the game.
00:31:52
Bret
Even the decision to have Stidham throw it at the end where Gonzo got the pick, like, what are you doing, dude? Like, what are you doing?
00:31:58
Savage Boston
Yeah, that's not. Did Vrabel realize, this is where the coaching comes in, like, Vrabel realized, he goes, he goes, their offense can't do shit. He's like, they're not doing shit. We're going them He's like, they no shot. Like, we're getting pressure. All they can do is run screens.
00:32:12
Savage Boston
where do their uniforms were white, blending in with the Blizzard. It was so perfect. Stidham was literally no clue was happening. He couldn't do anything. That was atrocious. I mean, it was funny to watch because I haven't been this confident in a while in a defense watching the game. i was like, i don't think i don't think the Broncos can move the football whatsoever.
00:32:32
Savage Boston
It was really when we got the ball back and it had a bad punt. That's when ah it became a punting weapon game. You know what I mean? like that was That was how ridiculous...
00:32:40
Bret
Yeah, Seringer can't punt over 30 yards. Frickin' ridiculous.
00:32:44
Savage Boston
But compare compared to the Seahawks and Rams game, I mean, it did look like a different sport. Like, it's like we're in this muck blizzard shit show game.
00:32:50
Bret
yeah.
00:32:53
Savage Boston
We're like, all right, 10 to 7. And then they're in this, like, finesse, you know?
00:32:56
Bret
I...
00:32:57
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:32:58
Snooty
It's just two defenses just throwing rocks at each other, literal rocks at each other for for three hours.
00:33:02
Savage Boston
We were in a rock rock fight. We're
Super Bowl Strategy Against Seattle
00:33:05
Savage Boston
mud slinging.
00:33:05
Snooty
And then you go to the Pacific Northwest and it's just like defense is just blowing coverages left and right.
00:33:05
Savage Boston
We're minlinging where
00:33:10
Snooty
Just points abound everywhere.
00:33:12
Savage Boston
let Let me flip to that game a smidge. Like, ah as far as the Seahawks, I mean, we have two weeks now, so obviously next week I'm sure it'll be a lot of Seahawks talk. But, like, is there – their defense – I know Matthew Stafford, he's got the experience. He's played really well, obviously, in the postseason. He's doing fine. He knows how to play. Like, he kind of carved up Seattle's D a bit. Like, they were doing pretty well against Seattle's D. Carved them up.
00:33:36
Savage Boston
They played well. So, I mean, I'm just trying to figure out as far as Stafford goes, like – There's a lot of tape out there. Like, how are they going to get yards on Seattle? That's number one. How do you get yards on Seattle?
00:33:48
Savage Boston
And then, you know, aside from that, how do you shut down? How do you shut down Darnold? And what do you do about that?
00:33:57
Snooty
My initial take, my gut check, I don't think I'm going to move off of this. The way you shut down that offense is your D-line has to keep playing like it is, particularly on the inside. um You've got the 4D tackles, 5D tackles deep that you are right now.
00:34:13
Snooty
um They keep playing like that. They're this there being Seattle, their O-line is nothing crazy. I know they get the Zabel at guard that he's you know he's good for a rookie. hes He's had a very good year. But you know he is still a rookie, and you know I don't think he's as good as some of the you know some of the other guys they've played this year. I think that's how you slow down that offense is you you beat them up up front, and you kind of own the game in the middle. You slow down the run game.
00:34:41
Snooty
to the point where it's not nearly as effective, and then you just you're just fuck with Darnold by getting pressure on him because he's not very good under pressure, and he will turn the ball over. He will turn the ball over a lot.
00:34:50
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:51
Snooty
And then you bracket JSN, and and you you know try to make other people beat you one-on-one lesser. I think offensively, i don't know. mean, I just have faith. I think they'll put up, if you if your defense and can keep it a lower-scoring affair, then I think you can score points on this defense.
00:35:08
Snooty
I think the Patriots will be able to do so.
00:35:09
Savage Boston
yeah
00:35:12
Savage Boston
Yeah, i think um think they're going watch the film. Obviously, a couple games will stand out, and obviously they're going watch all this shit, right? So number one is watching what Flores did against Seattle and Darnold because Darnold had a hell of a go. And I know that Flores is, like, really tricky with changing looks.
00:35:31
Snooty
He also knows them too.
00:35:31
Savage Boston
He'll change it up. A lot of pre-snap, a post-snap, like, oh, we think we're in man, we're not. You know, like, you're going have to fuck with Darnold. And I don't think Darnold is an player.
00:35:43
Savage Boston
processor. I think their schemes. Good. Kubiak's been really good. He's played. He can make the throws. He's played really well, but like you have to confuse him and every game he's been off this year, he's been confused. I mean, they'll say the same thing about may you go watch the last bunch of tapes of Mount may you say like, you what are they going to do against Drake may because whatever makes the Seattle defense special. Like I know they have a lot of pretty deep, really good D line.
00:36:09
Savage Boston
The edges aren't quite as good as like, they're not like the Texans.
00:36:09
Snooty
They,