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EPISODE 69 - PATRIOTS WIN. AFC CHAMPIONSHIP BOUND.
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Media Critique and Patriots' Victory
00:00:00
Savage Boston
All right, guys, welcome back to the Savage Boston podcast. We are here January 20th, 830 on the nose, and we're coming off the AFC divisional win versus the Texans, which has been, which was just incredible, man. And I was there again, really lucky, fortunate to make it down there, rushed down after, uh,
00:00:21
Savage Boston
after my kids party and sprinted down there and, and we're very fortunate to get in for kickoff. So I thought I was going to miss a piece of it. So that was great. Um, but yeah, so before we dive into the game, I kind of just want to kick off with, with a bit of a rant, um, at how the media is kind of handling this playoff. And, and I don't know what the, like you guys, whoever lists people listening, you, you guys are here again with, with Brett and Snooney OG crew,
00:00:48
Savage Boston
ah You guys give me your opinion, but I don't really know what's happening in the media and how they're processing information. So, and how they're putting out information other than just trying to be like clickbait.
00:01:00
Savage Boston
So what I mean by this is before the game, okay, we have unanimous picks by ESPN panels, right? The famous image with Mina Kimes and Dan Orlovsky, everyone picks the Texans, right?
00:01:13
Savage Boston
Like a sweep across the board.
00:01:14
Bret
Thank
00:01:15
Savage Boston
then Marcus Spears, right? And then we got other shows where everyone's like they were the in-favor pick. all right Everyone has the Texans. It felt real, even though they were an underdog on paper, they were getting picked everywhere in the media.
00:01:28
Savage Boston
They're talking about, oh, this is the 2000 Ravens. This is the 85 Bears, the 2002 Bucs. Like you guys don't know. Stroud's going to be enough. This defense is historic, right?
00:01:39
Savage Boston
And then the minute the Patriots beat them and shut down Stroud completely, what did everyone say? They immediately go back in and say, well, actually, the Texans kind of suck.
00:01:53
Savage Boston
And it's really a cookie cutter schedule for the Patriots. So where was Nico? It's like hold on. You can't have it both ways. You can't say we're all going to pick the Texans. They're the favorite. We all like the Texans a lot.
00:02:07
Savage Boston
And as soon as you got your pick wrong, say, well, actually, they kind of sucked. If you thought they fucking sucked, you wouldn't have fucking picked them. That's the whole point. You fucking idiots.
00:02:18
Savage Boston
literally script I'm sorry. I'm like genuinely like so fucking stupid. How could you all unanimously pick a team that you think sucks? So either you're a fucking idiot or completely illogical.
00:02:33
Savage Boston
I don't think ifve ever been so fired up. Anyway, someone someone Snooty, what are your thoughts?
00:02:38
Snooty
I mean, look, yeah I honestly,
00:02:41
Savage Boston
I'm dead serious, by the way. I'm i'm like livid about think ridiculous.
00:02:44
Snooty
i mean, the only one I saw in the media at all, and I tweeted this out earlier, This week, the only one I saw the media at all who said they could win by multiple scores was Cerrone.
00:02:55
Snooty
He's the only one who said it. And he was he was looking at it going like they low key suck on our offense.
00:02:57
Savage Boston
Saron's been dead on. Saron's been dead on.
00:03:02
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:03:02
Snooty
The other defense is legit. But as long as you don't like basically shit down your leg, which they almost did, like you'll be fine. Right. And. I put in a small wager. I teased the line.
00:03:12
Snooty
I made it 10 and a half point favorite and they covered.
Playoff Realities and Young Players
00:03:15
Snooty
So, um, I following that.
00:03:15
Savage Boston
Wow.
00:03:17
Snooty
Cause I was like, you know what? I can't see it. Cause their offense kind of sucks. Their O line sucks, even possibly worse than the chargers online, which is unfathomable. Um,
00:03:29
Snooty
it so It was a rock fight. Like, that's a rock fight. That's what playoff... This is my rant. This is what fucking playoff football is. It's ugly. It's tough. It's close games. It's far from perfect because every team, generally, Steelers, deserves to be there.
00:03:45
Snooty
Right? So it's going to be a fucking rock fight. It's going to be a tight... Either it's like a shootout because both offenses are outrageous... Or it's if both defenses are good, it's going to be tough. It's going to be ugly. It's not going to be perfect. Guys are going to make plays on both sides of the ball on both teams. That's what happens. So this like we have to understand. We have to stop looking for style points. They fucking won by 12 points.
00:04:09
Snooty
They won by two scores. I don't give a fuck how they got there. They won. Like, that's what playoff football is. I'm fucking sick of this shit of like, oh, well, you know, it was gross and it wasn't, oh, they did this. And it's like, yeah, okay.
00:04:22
Snooty
Yeah, but they won. It doesn't matter. Style points, long gone at this point, this time a year. Long gone. Survive in advance. That's all it is. Survive in advance. It's the name of game.
00:04:33
Savage Boston
What do you
00:04:34
Bret
I can see we're roaring tonight, ready to roll. I think we're already in a pregame shape, ready for Sunday against Denver, going through with what's going on with the narrative.
00:04:42
Savage Boston
think, Brett? It fire.
00:04:46
Bret
But I look at it and I know we're about to get into like the individual side of things from our players and ah you know, a lot of the criticism coming after this game is getting on Campbell and getting on May.
00:05:00
Bret
And i think some of it deserved But some of it, it's like, guys, you got like pull it back a notch and realize these are still young guys. This is their first experience going through the playoffs.
00:05:13
Bret
Like you look at a guy like Will Campbell and you say, He's going against essentially some of the best players in the entire league right now who he's never faced before in his freaking life. And he's a rookie going into his first playoff game.
00:05:28
Bret
And it's like he makes – three or four bad snaps where he gets turnstyled. And all of a sudden we think he's the worst tackle to ever play the game in the entire league.
00:05:39
Bret
Meanwhile, we beat the bag out of their offensive line. Their line was an entire sieve. Like they couldn't get any push at all.
00:05:49
Savage Boston
yeah
00:05:49
Bret
And our defensive line dominated them top to bottom. So it's like, we get really nitpicky on some of our players. And I know this is on the local side of things,
00:06:00
Bret
when we got to step back and see the bigger picture and realize to your point, Snooty, we won the game and these are when the, you know, rubber meets the road. This is when the big dogs show up in January and we're the bigger dog right now. And yeah, the path is getting easier because obviously Bo Nix going down is going to help us out, you know, not being in there and going against Jared Stidham. But you look at this last game to your point, Savage, like everyone knew Nico Collins wasn't going to be in the game, but they still picked the Texans.
00:06:30
Bret
And it's like, guys, you can't sit there and say one thing versus the other, this, that, and whatever.
00:06:30
Savage Boston
Correct.
00:06:31
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
Media Trends and Game Analysis
00:06:37
Bret
i I go into it and say, it's playoff football. These are damn good fucking teams. And we talked about it before we even got into the playoffs. Understanding injuries are always a factor. There's not huge separations between these teams. So the teams that come out and execute and make the fewest mistakes and capitalize on them when they have those opportunities are the ones that win the game. And right now we're winning the games.
00:06:59
Bret
So we're the ones that are taking advantage of those opportunities. when other teams are not, and that's why they're out of this game. They're out of the playoffs, and we're in a great position, and I fucking love it.
00:07:06
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:07:09
Savage Boston
Well, I will get into the negative. that I wanted to start, i guess, more other than the ranting, I guess more positive side. how
00:07:16
Bret
After I got that rant out of the way, let me go positive.
00:07:16
Savage Boston
i guess, well, we didn't just have seven minutes of ranting. um But I would say this, like we, again, we will get into the negative. I agree with you a hundred percent.
00:07:27
Savage Boston
I just don't understand the dialogue. Again, i know Dan Rovloski is basically probably the most heat slash ripped he's gotten in his career at this point. i don't know if people just, If he's changed how he's, I've seen posts on this, maybe he's changed how he's saying things in the media and going from a guy who was analyzing footage and really putting out good football content to a guy who wants to be like Stephen A.
00:07:38
Bret
Okay.
00:07:48
Savage Boston
Smith. I don't know what his approach is as a professional now. Maybe someone said, hey man, like you could be the next Stephen a hosting a show. or the next Colin Coward if you start um upping the rhetoric.
00:08:01
Savage Boston
But I would say that more the hypocrisy he's had this year, people haven't tolerated well. Obviously around like the MVP race with Stafford and May, um you know his reasons why he voted Josh Allen this year and how he can't seem to see the similarities between Drake May this year and Josh Allen last year. um Two in this game where, again, you know he picks the Texans like all these other Jamoaks,
00:08:24
Savage Boston
And then as soon as they lose, he goes, well, you know, 31 other quarterbacks really could have won that day. It's like, well, dude, you picked the Texans to win. The Patriots showed up, smothered Stroud. By the way, the Texans just beat the the not good Steelers by whatever it was, like 30 to 7 or something. I forget the score. They smoked them. And mostly because their defense was nasty, but they smoked them, right? So...
00:08:47
Savage Boston
It's been extremely hypocritical. i think it's weird that no one wants to even talk about the Patriots defense. Like, you got guys to talk about if you want. Milton Williams and Christian Barmore have been wrecking.
00:09:01
Savage Boston
Christian Gonzalez... Is all world right now. I mean, Robert Spillane comes in and is playing great football. Like you got guys who are playing. How about have a rookie, Craig Woodson? Like there's, i don't know. There's people that have played really, really well and have, this has been a great run and we're enjoying it. Obviously. i don't think a lot of the media is enjoying it for, maybe they do because they're getting ratings as we're all getting mad, but like they have plenty of good to talk about, not to come out and just say, Hey, really 31 other QBs.
00:09:32
Savage Boston
could have beat the Patriots. Not Justin Herbert, because they just beat him. So who are the other QBs you're referring to? Anyway, I digress. Let's go on to positives because I'll just keep going on about the media.
00:09:45
Savage Boston
let's get to like Let's get to the good stuff about Drake, like what Drake did well. Okay, just to touch on what Drake did well. First off, these first halves have been a little tough in some of these games, right? In the second half, he seems to be improving.
00:10:00
Savage Boston
um And in this game in particular... Like he did enough to win. You know, that's the takeaway. He had three so good scoring drives. He had that, that great throw to booty and booty, obviously with that tremendous effort, you know, he had the three, so three slant drive and hits digs in the end zone. Right. So like, I thought Drake did enough to win the game.
00:10:22
Savage Boston
With the pick six, they score 28, you know, 21 without it. And he had three touchdowns and the pick doesn't even count because it's like a Hail Mary. So when you go on, how'd you guys think positively about Drake? What did Drake do? Well,
00:10:34
Snooty
I mean, I think he's the only quarterback to throw three touchdowns in a single game against the Texans
Player Performances and Criticisms
00:10:40
Snooty
this year.
00:10:40
Savage Boston
yeah.
00:10:41
Snooty
um Obviously, it was ugly. it's it It's like his second game where it's like not good, but like not bad either. It's like a weird game that he's had because it's really the fumbles.
00:10:53
Snooty
Like he's got – Right.
00:10:53
Savage Boston
His passer rating was 100, by the way. Like, it was still ended up being 100.
00:10:55
Snooty
Like as a pure just straight passing, he's been he's been good. the The completion percentage is down a little bit, but you kind of expect that little bit in the – playoffs when the tier of safety of defense kind of goes up a bit. But the like it's just pure passing, like he's been very good. I kind of expected him to run a little bit more against the Texans.
00:11:18
Snooty
um Maybe not as much as he did against the the Chargers, but little surprising there, but, like, the fumbles, he's got to fucking stop with the fumbling. Like, I know we're supposed to be positive, but, like, I don't see how you can rate his day without bringing that in. Like, he has to be better with fumbling. He simply has to.
00:11:34
Snooty
um Especially this week. it's He just he can't fumble at the same rate that he has been. Because they've been lucky to get most of them back. And that's not going to continue. So, I mean...
00:11:46
Snooty
he the The touchdown to Diggs, it was a better catch, but that throw was ridiculous. um The throw to Booty was was beautiful down the sideline. um I mean, he had a good day, but he did more than enough to win, let's put it that way. But it was, by his standards, obviously not his best day.
00:12:07
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:12:07
Bret
The thing that I look at from him is just the maturity and the leadership to realize even on those mistakes, he didn't let it affect him.
00:12:07
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:12:13
Bret
Like juxtapose his body language and his approach to Stroud, who was completely lost out there.
00:12:18
Snooty
Yeah, night and day.
00:12:21
Bret
Like he is clearly an issue right now with Drake May in his internal clock to say, i got to either tuck it and move forward. i got to you know, we'll get it out of the pocket now. I got to make it run outside or scramble because he's just not feeling it on his blind side. He's not seeing it or sensing it. And that's that's just an issue that's going to come with experience.
00:12:44
Bret
So that's a part of his game that he's going to have to clean up. But he didn't let it affect him from a mentality standpoint when he went out there. He made dialed in th throws, just absolutely phenomenal th throws. And another criticism that you hear coming out there is,
00:12:59
Bret
people talk about is Drake able to be a good quarterback in inclement weather and how he's affected by the weather of new England. And I would say,
00:13:11
Bret
If he was having issues with th throws and he was like under throwing guys and it was or sailing in on him or whatever, then I would say, yeah, you're probably right. There's an issue there, but it hasn't been the case.
00:13:23
Bret
Like he had that, he had that game earlier in the season against Tampa. but We have weather early and it was like the first couple of drives out, it was sailing on him and it was going high and it was, you could tell it was a bad release. You look at this game, like this was not good weather at all. This was,
00:13:39
Bret
Wet mixture, rain, crap, which makes that booty catch even more spectacular. But to make the throw and to do it the way he's done it just tells you the guy is continuing to make great decisions. He's trusting in his ability to execute, and he's showing that his arm has the ability to go out there and execute. So even though he had the one pick, which is a total chalk up because it was a Hail Mary for nothing,
00:14:04
Bret
Like his decision making and his throwing was really good against an all elite level defense, the best that he's going to face for the rest of the year.
00:14:16
Bret
Like Denver is a good defense. If we go against Seattle, they got a really good defense. What we just faced against Houston and their secondary is the best.
00:14:25
Savage Boston
Houston's that defense is the best there is. I think bar none.
00:14:28
Snooty
Yep.
00:14:29
Savage Boston
They have all pros. I mean, like everywhere at every level, Petrie, Lasseter, Stingley, the two ends edges, like they're, they're even their D tackles. Like they're pretty nasty everywhere. It just fucking fast, dude. Like that was the hardest part. Like that, this is a defense that would have given Tom Brady trouble.
00:14:48
Bret
Yeah.
00:14:48
Savage Boston
because they just would line up with four and just be nasty everywhere. And so there's not a lot of advantages you can take where they're just like sticking on you. Like, it's really hard to, to scheme on that there. So that's why they are so good. I know the Texans fan base is probably mad that like, they feel, feel like they blew an opportunity and like they did like, this is supposed to be historic defense. Well, historic defenses don't lose in the divisional.
00:15:14
Savage Boston
That's like not, you know, if you're truly historic, you go down in history. By definition. So it didn't happen for this team. It was a great defense. And I'm sure they have to figure out what they're doing long-term with Stroud.
00:15:25
Savage Boston
And if they even want to re-up and extend him, which is a whole different argument.
00:15:27
Bret
Yeah, I mean, they're there to crack and they just can't break it. and this was probably their best window that they had.
00:15:32
Savage Boston
yeah I don't know. They've made the playoffs three years in a row. I don't know where they go in the future with Stroud. i From what I saw, man, that that's like a that's like a broken man out there. I'm watching in person.
00:15:44
Savage Boston
Some of the worst football I've seen in a while from a quarterback. I mean, that was awful.
00:15:48
Bret
Well, you've been. You even hear from like reports, and Zoe talked about this, that like their sideline was basically putting up cards that were telling what the defense is in Because Straub couldn't pick it up, which is so such an indictment of your quarterback.
00:15:48
Snooty
They'll pick
00:15:58
Savage Boston
They were. i saw it. I fucking saw it.
00:16:03
Savage Boston
Dude, he had a card, big yellow card. Literally, it says nickel. Just holding it up. i was like, why do they have a card that says nickel? like they So they need a coaching staff to tell them what the defense is?
00:16:14
Bret
Yeah, that's a really bad indictment of your quarterback.
00:16:15
Savage Boston
that's That's not encouraging.
00:16:18
Snooty
Well, I think they're ten nickel just refers to those personnel packages that they have in.
00:16:22
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:16:23
Bret
Yeah, i understand.
00:16:24
Savage Boston
I know, but it's like they're telling him. Instead of Stroud being like, oh they're in nickel or they're in dime or they're in –
00:16:28
Snooty
Well, usually that gets wired in. They go, they're in nickel. You go, okay.
00:16:32
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:16:32
Snooty
Cause like, you can't, you what mean? And they go nickel. Here's the play. Like, that's what it is.
00:16:37
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:16:37
Snooty
I mean, look, they're going to pick up his fifth year
Future of Key Players and Coaching Challenges
00:16:39
Snooty
option. Cause the ceiling is there. You saw it when he was a ah rookie, they need, I don't know if Nick Caley's the guy he may be, he may be out.
00:16:47
Savage Boston
Yeah, I don't, I think that Kayleigh, not a fan of what they've been doing in offense.
00:16:49
Snooty
You know, Nick Caley, out. No.
00:16:52
Savage Boston
That's all I'll say. Like he really should be out.
00:16:53
Snooty
um Because they was they were talking about on the broadcast, Sloic or whatever his name is, like, he looked yeah they he looked great when he was there.
00:16:58
Savage Boston
Bobby Slower.
00:17:01
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:17:01
Snooty
Stroud did. And then, you know, he left and he's kind of looked like shit. Not shit, but like, you know, he's not been not nearly as good as he was as a rookie.
00:17:06
Savage Boston
No, he's not been good. I mean, even his numbers are not good.
00:17:10
Snooty
So it could be one of those things where I bet you they ax Caley and then bring someone in, pick up his fifth-year option because, know,
00:17:10
Bret
Thank you.
00:17:18
Snooty
Even fifth-year option is expensive for like the second overall pick or whatever he was. But even still, if you have the potential to be a franchise quarterback, that's still cheap. You know what and I mean? Like $25 million or whatever it is. like That's still relatively cheap for a shot at getting a franchise quarterback. They'll pick up the option. They're not going to extend him. He probably doesn't want to be extended at this point because...
00:17:40
Snooty
Any type of extension he would get would be at a very steep discount given his performance the last few years. So I imagine he'd want to gamble on himself to to do well um you know next year with a new offensive coordinator and see if he could get an extension from there going into his fifth year.
00:17:57
Savage Boston
just feels like, feels like there's so many quarterbacks that are floating there. This is the weirdest time right now. There's a million head coach openings. There's a ton of like, okay. Quarterbacks floating around that you could try to pick up. Like, and I just think it's weird. There's a lot of like, it feels like mediocrity and like,
00:18:15
Savage Boston
that for certain, whatever Stroud did was at at best mediocre. So I don't at at best, especially the whole year he's been mediocre. Like look at it for two, it's been, it's been bad. So again, just to touch on positives before we start going into the real nitty gritty of maybe Will Campbell and and May and and problems, just Ramondra Stevenson just looks outstanding. And I think he outstanding and I just want to get it out there. I mean, i know we're in a pod, so it's, I'll have to tweet it to more people see it if I tweet it, but um he's been excellent. Trayvon Henderson,
00:18:49
Savage Boston
God knows where he is right now. I don't know. i mean, he left a lot of yards on the field everywhere. um You just can't play him that much right i mean, it's so different. He was playing so well when the stakes were less against defenses that weren't as good.
00:19:03
Savage Boston
Now when the when the defense is heated heating up, Mondray has stepped up and he looks amazing and Travion can't rush for positive yardage. So it's a concern for me with Travion, but I just want to touch on how good Mondray has been.
00:19:13
Bret
You can't pick up a block either. Yeah, and Henderson can't pick up a block either.
00:19:16
Snooty
He also shot.
00:19:20
Snooty
Correct.
00:19:20
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:19:21
Snooty
He left Campbell hanging out to dry on that one. Another one for me, booty. I know he had the crazy catch, but like just overall for this season, like people were legitimately talking about him being cut or traded camp.
00:19:32
Bret
We were.
00:19:33
Snooty
And he's probably, he's probably your outside of digs, probably your best, most consistent receiver all year.
00:19:34
Savage Boston
I was, because, yeah, I was.
00:19:42
Savage Boston
I want to address that really quickly. The reason we were talking about him getting cut is because it was floated by fucking Adam Schefter. It wasn't like everyone keep for a while said to me, look, sort you want booty gone? No, I'm just telling you what the fuck's being reported. That was a public report.
00:19:58
Savage Boston
He's like, watch out for booty, not making the 53. Yeah.
00:20:01
Bret
Well, and and here's the thing, and we know that Booty came out, I think this past week was when he did his Players' Tribune and he wrote the letter.
00:20:01
Savage Boston
you know
00:20:03
Snooty
Thank you.
00:20:10
Savage Boston
yeah
00:20:10
Bret
Like, he admitted when he came into the league, he was ready to quit. And there was definitely a maturity issue with him. which was reported coming out. We knew with him coming in on the sixth round pick at LSU flashes freshman year, ends up getting the injury, has some off the field issues, questionable on maturity. Like he was your prototypical,
00:20:33
Bret
a you know, low risk, high reward type guy has all the tools at his tool belt. It's just, can he kind of put it together upstairs? And it looks like going into this year, that was a question mark even by the coaching staff and, you know, by Elliot Wolf. But,
00:20:48
Bret
whatever they've done to connect with him and get him to where he is today, like phenomenal job because you're one hundred percent correct.
00:20:56
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:20:57
Bret
dutydy I mean, he's been so damn productive for us. Like his contested ability to make catches is elite level caliber.
00:21:07
Savage Boston
hands are His hands are great.
00:21:08
Bret
It's insane.
00:21:09
Savage Boston
His hands are great.
00:21:10
Snooty
And when he was out, like when he missed that little bit of time there, like you yeah it showed.
00:21:13
Bret
It showed.
00:21:15
Snooty
Like you could feel it. Like the offense felt his his absence. So, yeah.
00:21:19
Savage Boston
Also Matt Collins might be coming back next week as well.
00:21:19
Bret
I think of and that could help our own game and it will help our
00:21:22
Savage Boston
So we're going to see watch for tomorrow's practice.
00:21:22
Snooty
Yeah.
00:21:26
Savage Boston
Because if he's out practicing tomorrow, he's playing. If he's not out there tomorrow, then you've got to say... You know, if not by Friday, he has to be out there, but the likelihood is is pretty, is much lower.
00:21:38
Savage Boston
So, but if he's out there tomorrow, he's playing the game. And that, I mean, to have Matt Collins out there instead of Chisholm, not that there's anything wrong with Chisholm, but just Hollins is just a way better receiver. I mean, he's much bigger, blocks better, catches better, you know bigger target.
00:21:48
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
00:21:50
Bret
It's professional.
00:21:52
Savage Boston
He's just better. He's a better receiver than Chisholm. So having him in that role blocking stuff is is certainly a help to the team. Um, so I, love so I love that and I hope he comes back. So, um, before getting the Broncos, let, so let's touch on now. And this is kind of like not negative hour here, but like we gotta, we gotta address the biggest elephant in the room and a few different chats. And I have different levels of vitriol towards, towards Will Campbell, but You know, all i want to say is this, whatever's been happening, like, first of all, just the fumbles in general between Drake and will are obviously not really acceptable.
00:22:34
Savage Boston
You're winning tough games. I get it.
00:22:35
Bret
Right.
00:22:35
Savage Boston
You're winning. That's awesome. But like they fumbled six, these fumbled Drake's fumbled six times in two games, right? Like, especially in this last game, fumbling four times on the ground, losing two,
00:22:48
Savage Boston
You really got lucky that, you know, Will went and got one, but like, I think Will gave up like two strip sacks. Like, I know you're going against an all world guy, but is this going to be the future now where when you're playing elite talent off the edge, are you, are you going to have to be like, Oh, Will's going to give up a strip sack today.
00:23:08
Savage Boston
Like what, like, where does this go? you know i mean? Like, and and we can project it like next year. He's going to the left tackle as well. It's not changing. Unless for some reason they decide off the bat just, yeah, we're moving. We're getting drafted and a left tackle. But, like, I don't see that happening.
00:23:22
Savage Boston
He's probably going to be left tackle again. So, I don't Where do you guys where do you guys see this going, the Will Campbell thing left tackle? Because, again, he i agree. Bedard said something similar yesterday, too, where he's like, I think he's a Hall of Fame guard.
00:23:37
Savage Boston
The all pro guard. And I agree. I agree with him. I think Campbell would be an all pro guard. we We've all talked about this during the draft process, but it just can't be how it's been. They're going against the, the Broncos have the highest sack total in football, the highest sack total on football.
00:23:55
Savage Boston
And here we go again is Nick, Nick Bonino or whatever. And, and what is it? What it? Zach Allen. Like they have really good players. So do we expect to strip sacks this game?
00:24:07
Snooty
So here's my thing. I still have faith in Campbell. I think he's coming back. He's still kind of, at least right now, still kind of knocking off the rust bit from missing four games there. um Obviously, he hasn't played well. I don't think anybody can really, you know, diminish that. i don't think he was as bad as expected against the Chargers. like Everyone roasted him for everything. But if you go back and you look like – You know, there was the cut block one where, yeah, technically he gave up a sack, but it wasn't was a really on him type of thing. um there But there was a clip after the game, you know, when Vrabel greets everybody coming into the locker room, and he had to, like, he physically kind of did, like, the, you know, pick your chin up thing to Campbell, which to me shows that, like, a the kid takes it takes it very seriously and holds himself to a very high standard, right? i don't think anybody doubts that, his effort or his attitude.
00:25:02
Snooty
He's clearly at a spot where he needs he needs something. I don't know if he needs more push or if he needs to take a step back or something. But Campbell needs something, and this is the moment where Vrabel, that's what he's supposed to do as a coach. That's the type of coach he is. He's not next as an X-to-the-knows coach. He's like, ah for to simplify it, he's he's a vibes guy, right? Like he's ah he's a culture guy. So you've got a rookie, a 21, 22-year-old kid whose had a couple of tough games and is is kind of down now.
00:25:32
Snooty
What is he going to do? Fuck the scheme and all that. Like, what is he going to do to help Campbell? To me, this is a massive game for Vrabel for Campbell than as much as it is McDaniels or anybody else, because he's clearly down. His confidence is shaken, which is completely understandable because he hasn't played well.
00:25:51
Snooty
What does Vrabel do to to to you know to get him going, to get him in in the right. Because, yes, he hasn't been perfect, and that's the other part is people expect him to be perfect simply because he was a number four of all pick. Like, no left tackle is perfect. Matt Light was never perfect. Nate Solder was never perfect. You don't need perfect to win a Super Bowl. But he's been better than this all year. He's been better than this.
00:26:14
Snooty
And even against good competition, he's been better than this. So...
00:26:18
Savage Boston
Really quick, so the argument people say, they're like, oh, well, maybe he's hurt, right? Okay, but if he's, if his knee I don't think he is.
00:26:24
Snooty
I don't.
00:26:26
Savage Boston
I don't think he would be playing. It's like, if he's hurt, why is he playing, right? If he's at 80% of what he what he was, why is he playing? It's just another wrinkle to the argument.
Offensive Strategies and Player Development
00:26:36
Savage Boston
but um But again, I would say, like, i wanna i want to believe in him.
00:26:42
Savage Boston
I want to trust him. I think he's fantastic character. It's just, at some point, you feel like you're just, You're going to have to like, not cut the cords the wrong phrase, but you're going have to just eat it. And Vrabel might have to eat it at some point and be like, we're shifting them down.
00:26:58
Savage Boston
And it's not going to, might not be for a couple of years.
00:27:01
Snooty
It's not gonna happen. he's He's gonna be your tackle.
00:27:03
Savage Boston
What, too much pride was for Mike Vrabel? You know, or do we feel like...
00:27:05
Snooty
who the Okay, well, here's the other thing. The fucking Vidarian Lowe love that everybody apparently has now is pissing me off. They act like he's fucking Joe Thomas. And like, it's like, it's like dude, like, first of all, look, Lowe's been better this year than he's way better than he was last year and way better than my expectation was. And I wouldn't even hate him to be signed as like the swing tackle going forward.
00:27:26
Snooty
But regardless, there's a reason he's a fucking backup. Okay? There's a reason he got his ass kicked in that third game, third and fourth game when Campbell was out. Because he's not a fucking, there's a reason he's not the starter. it's because he's not as good as Campbell.
00:27:39
Snooty
He also can't run block anywhere near to the level that Campbell can. That's a fact. That's been proven over multiple years now. But he's, at at this point, he might be in spurts slightly better at pass blocking.
00:27:52
Snooty
I'm not going to bail on, you know, the kid with upside and the kid that can actually do it for, for a guy that we know can't like, I'm not going to do that.
00:28:01
Savage Boston
usually the You need – yeah, but you need a good game.
00:28:01
Snooty
That's revisionist history to say that he's some fucking all-star now.
00:28:06
Savage Boston
from Like we actually at this point now, you need a good game from Will Campbell.
00:28:07
Snooty
I'm aware. I know you do.
00:28:10
Savage Boston
We're at that point.
00:28:11
Snooty
Yes.
00:28:11
Savage Boston
Like this is like two playoff games in row. If you're going to AFC Championship and he gives up two more fucking sacks, shit's not going to get more quiet. Like you know what I mean?
00:28:19
Snooty
I know.
00:28:20
Savage Boston
We're not going be on Twitter like, oh, let's just not – like shit's getting real loud. If you're like we're going – we could have the potential to go to the fucking Super Bowl and you give him two strip sacks a game, like – It's not acceptable.
00:28:31
Snooty
Twitter's never quiet anyway.
00:28:33
Savage Boston
What?
00:28:33
Snooty
You don't go to to Twitter for fucking peace and quiet.
00:28:36
Savage Boston
No, I do.
00:28:38
Snooty
Yeah.
00:28:38
Savage Boston
It's my Zen. I'm just kidding.
00:28:39
Snooty
Yeah.
00:28:40
Savage Boston
um But yeah. So yeah, we are Brett. Go for it.
00:28:44
Bret
Well, I said at the top, I think the other thing people just have a hard time getting past is this kid's a rookie. OK, like he is a rookie. So we're way ahead of schedule for where we thought we'd be in these meaningful games and how this would look.
00:28:54
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:29:01
Bret
He by and large has had a successful rookie year. This is clearly the worst two game skit he's had.
00:29:07
Savage Boston
I agree.
00:29:09
Bret
And he's gone against arguably the two best teams when it comes to the rush that we have. And the only other one you can point to is miles Garrett, which is a generational level talent and he's a rookie.
00:29:22
Bret
So I, I think people not need to temper their expectations on what they think is currently in their left tackle position and realizes he's giving you serviceable time. And yeah, the, the ones that are calling for Vidarian low, it's like, do you not remember what we were bitching about all last year with Vidarian low? Like how many times did that guy give you a freaking false start flag or a holding flag that he had on the the worst critical time or just got turntabled himself? Like,
00:29:54
Bret
No, Will Campbell is a clear upgrade, and we've been able to capitalize on that. I think there's also periods of time where, like, Josh isn't really helping the kid out.
00:30:06
Bret
Like, he's not getting him and May in a better position to say, let's speed it up a little bit. Let's get to a better scheme here so we can try and get the ball out on a faster level. And we've talked about, you know, sending chip help and whatever, like maybe don't send Henderson, who's the worst guy about running and throwing a chip and saying like, let's put someone else in that position to be able to help out. So I think Josh has done a tremendous job with this offense. But like he's got to help the two of them out with what they're doing. It's not going to get any easier this week.
00:30:41
Bret
But like the fans need to realize that it's just not all on Will Campbell. Some of it's on Drake May. Some of it's going to fall on the scheme for the quarterback. Some of it's going to fall on Jared Wilson and what's happening there. Some of it's going to fall on Henderson. Like there's layers to this stuff. And I know David Andrews touched on this, but people have to understand there's layers to the offense. It's just not one guy.
00:31:03
Snooty
I think he will Campbell made a comment after the game that I found notable because it it's kind of true where he said some of his, some of his worst reps have come when there has been help.
00:31:14
Snooty
And he got, which his phrase, his quote was, which makes no fucking sense basically, or is fucking weird or something.
00:31:20
Bret
Mm-hmm.
00:31:20
Snooty
And, I remember Bedard said the same type of thing after the Cleveland game where a lot of his past sets looked better um when he had no help versus when he did. And it's almost like you get in a rhythm and if the help, because all help is not equal, like to your point, like Henderson completely fucking whiffed. So if you set a certain way expecting help and then the help isn't there, you're fucked from the set, right? Like you your set is all fucking, you're off depth, you're off with, like you're all fucked up at that point. The timing is off whole nine. So,
00:31:52
Snooty
i I think he just needs a confidence boost. I think he needs a couple good reps in a row, and then, like, he's going to be good. You know what I mean?
00:32:00
Savage Boston
He needs a game. He needs just a good game.
00:32:02
Snooty
Like, he needs a couple series of, like, all right, like, I'm back, and then he can go fucking punch some fucking DN and punch some fucking linebacker in the face and knock him on the ground as the whistle blows.
00:32:13
Savage Boston
He needs a swagger back.
00:32:13
Snooty
Like, go do that shit. Yeah.
00:32:14
Savage Boston
He needs to get get mean. I just want to throw this out there, by the way, that Mike McDaniel just signed on as the new offensive coordinator for the Chargers to work with Justin Herbert.
00:32:16
Snooty
Yeah.
00:32:24
Savage Boston
which is a good hire. Although it's going funny. He's just going to do a bunch of like slip screens. Now, no more deep passes for her word. He's just running screens all day in slants.
00:32:32
Snooty
I don't know. i
00:32:33
Savage Boston
I'm sure he'll be a good, he's a good offensive coach. I i know.
00:32:35
Snooty
i think he'll figure it out. I think it's because Tua couldn't throw that. That's why he didn't.
00:32:39
Savage Boston
Yeah. Tua couldn't do a whole lot to his, you'll see how much he was covering up for, for Tua there.
00:32:43
Bret
I'm surprised Mike McDaniels didn't hold off to try and get head coach, but.
00:32:48
Savage Boston
I don't know if he wants to being OC feels like just so much like just to be a focus, like, especially you don't have to manage. He's got fucking Jim Harbaugh there to be the hard ass, right?
00:32:57
Bret
Yeah.
00:32:57
Savage Boston
Like he doesn't have to manage the personalities. Imagine Mike McDaniels sitting in the room with Tyreek Hill. and Tua and like, and Waddle and all that, like that's some of the, you know, especially Tyreek Hill, some of that stuff gets a little crazy, but last, last point on Campbell, um David
Defensive Strategies Against Broncos
00:33:14
Savage Boston
Andrews said this as well. I heard part of this interview where he was like, you know, when he was talking about what Dante Skarnecchi used to do with them, he's like, Hey, I'll help you out as much as I can.
00:33:24
Savage Boston
I'll give you help to your side when I can. i'll We'll do quick game as you know as much as we can. But at some ah some point, you're going to have to just take the rep. You're going to have to do your one-on-one and just you're gonna have to win it.
00:33:35
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
00:33:38
Savage Boston
You know, and that's the hard part is I get it. Will Campbell's like o away from the Chargers ate some lunch. You know, I don't know if that was all against Campbell. They switched up, but like Chargers had pretty good defense, DNC tackles. Will Anderson is a freak show. That guy's the second best edge in football. He's incredible.
00:33:54
Savage Boston
Other than Miles Garrett. You know, like I think Will Anderson is amazing. Like love to have him on the Patriots. Anyone would love him, but. it's like, it's hard to feel the patient argue. If this was week three of the regular season, I'd be like, yeah, I'm ready to be patient. Like we're going to AFC championship.
00:34:11
Savage Boston
Like I'm not, there's no fucking around. Like, you got to figure this out now. Like, and I don't think there's any possibility they, they change or put low in the low thing. Again, I don't, I don't think there's any possibility of low coming in the game.
00:34:24
Savage Boston
I just know that the only thing low can probably do slightly better is run an edge up the field with his long arms. That's what Lowe can do better than Campbell. it's like one skill right now. He can't probably take a bull rush better. he can't pat He can't run block at all, but he can run an edge up the field because he's got like 39-inch arms. He's got giant arms, right? So that's the one thing that Lowe can do. All right, cool. Just to pivot. It's a tough conversation because – you're dealing with a lot of fandom. Like people get so passionate. They're like no, I love Will. Like he's the guy, like they want a root for him. And when he's not performing, you get upset fans. It's like a, it's like a split in the fan base in some way. Cause people just get, ah get why, but people get mad about it. Like they want, they want him to succeed. Same with Drake. Anytime Drake does anything wrong, half the fan was just like, no, it's really not his fault. They're not this like Drake can't fumble the ball this much.
00:35:17
Savage Boston
Period. He cannot put the ball. This is like not complicated shit, especially running the ball, diving in the middle of the field. Like you can't put that on the ground, put two hands on it.
00:35:28
Savage Boston
You just can't fumble like this. And then double, triple clutching. And then having a Daniel Hunter, like run it. Like that was like a three, four second play of multiple play, make attempts.
00:35:37
Snooty
Yeah.
00:35:39
Savage Boston
So I think it just, that defense caught him off guard. They were really, really fast. They play really, really well. um And he just, I'm not saying play mistake-free. You're going to make mistakes. I just you can't put the ball on the ground that much.
00:35:53
Savage Boston
Or else it's just so hard to win. Just trying to win.
00:35:58
Snooty
It's the same blueprint this week as it has been, which is like the Broncos have a better O-line than either of the two teams you played.
00:36:01
Savage Boston
same Same shit.
00:36:06
Snooty
But they the quarterback is definitely not as talented as the other two. He may play better than Stroud, but he's not as talented as Stroud or Herbert. um Their skill guys,
00:36:23
Snooty
I mean, they're not – They're probably better. They're definitely better than the Texans. I'd probably put them on par with, with the, with the chargers from an overall standpoint. Um,
00:36:35
Snooty
They're good, but their O-line is very good, so it'll be interesting to see how how well the D-line does um you know like against like an an actual, like legit O-line. Stopping the run is going to be huge, obviously, because if you stop the run, you can try to make him as one-dimensional as possible, try to make Stidi beat you. um It'll be interesting because he doesn't move like Nix, so it's almost like you're going to get a different kind of the offense. Because he's more of like a, he'll sit He can move a little bit, but not like, not like Knicks. So you can't put the ball on the ground. You got to try to hope to get up a couple of scores and make them play from behind. um That's really the formula for winning. So I'd say I'm not as confident in this as I was last week. I was more confident last week than I was against the chargers. um
00:37:24
Snooty
So i'd I'd say I'm still confident. I think they win, but that's the formula you got to do similar to the last couple weeks.
00:37:31
Bret
Well, I would also add you got to you got to disguise the coverage because Sinem is not going to be able to pick this up very easily. I mean, the guy when's the last time the guy had to go out there and try to read a defense and go do it in a game scenario like it's been years.
00:37:47
Bret
So I think if you if you go out there, you you schematically try to disguise it with what you're trying to do. And then, yeah, you got to be able to come home. Again, i wouldn't send a ton of pressure.
00:38:01
Bret
Like, I think it was driving me crazy when we were going against Stroud and we kept going to the blitz. And I'm like, just don't blitz him. You don't need to blitz him. Keep dropping eight and rushing four because you're getting the pressure already. I think you're probably going to bring a little bit extra for this one. But I also think...
00:38:18
Bret
ah you know, Stidham's going to struggle to try and pick up where the bliss is coming from. If you kind of disguise where it's coming from and how that's going to go through. So he might not, he might not slide the protection himself.
00:38:29
Bret
And I don't know if they have an offensive lineman that could call it out for them, but I didn't anticipate that being a problem. And then you just mask the coverage. So I do look at it from a defensive perspective and say, ah it's obviously another a favorable matchup. So we'll see where it goes.
00:38:47
Bret
But when it comes to a defense, yeah, I think this defense is good, but I think the Texans defense was better. And I think, You know, i I haven't really looked at weather reports, but I don't think it's going to be anywhere near like what we just.
00:39:02
Savage Boston
It's just going like low 40s and sun, which is perfect, perfect weather, basically.
00:39:05
Bret
Yeah, like what we just went through.
00:39:07
Savage Boston
Like there's no.
00:39:08
Bret
Yeah, perfect, perfect weather for Drake May to air it out and us to be able to go out there and become a balanced attack and get the run game going.
00:39:09
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:39:14
Savage Boston
Well, so.
00:39:16
Bret
So to me, I look at it and i say this is the get back to norm for the offense.
00:39:23
Savage Boston
So do you guys know what, just to bring what the defense like em everyone's hyped up the Broncos defense. I do think they're a little overhyped. They had a soft schedule as well. They were a little overhyped. So I want people to take this into consideration because let's take in, like, what did Josh Allen just do with no receivers? What did Josh Allen just do to the Broncos defense?
00:39:44
Savage Boston
Do you guys have any idea how many total yards they put up in that fucking game? Like 450, 450, 449 technically, but total yards,
00:39:47
Snooty
A lot. Like four something.
00:39:54
Savage Boston
hundred and eighty three on the ground So you're telling me you can't, I know their old line is sick. Like the bills align and James cook are excellent, but like you tell me you're not gonna be able to run on this team. They have 5.8 yards of carry.
00:40:07
Savage Boston
Like that to me is, you know, versus I'll look up, you know, bills versus Texans. Let me see that. Hold on. Let me look this up. Cause they played this year. Obviously those versus Texans.
00:40:16
Snooty
Okay.
00:40:17
Savage Boston
Yeah. I mean, total yards for the bills that game was three 26 and Josh only threw for like 180.
00:40:21
Snooty
and And he got sacked eight times.
00:40:24
Savage Boston
so like I'd say there's different levels and they only got, know, they still ran for one 43, but like the bills team can run the football.
00:40:26
Snooty
And that's a good old line, too. And he got sacked eight fucking times.
00:40:33
Savage Boston
There's, there's no doubt about that. But like, I think, I think the Broncos defense is not quite what the Texans are.
00:40:43
Savage Boston
i don't, I know they get to the quarterback sometimes, but like, I don't know. You're telling me you really can't. You're just not going to be able to figure it out. like and So here's the deal. like do i Can I see them losing to Jared Stidham? In my head, I'm like, no, no way. But there's just, again, the blueprint stands. if they turn over the If May gets sacked and fumbles and turns over the ball and Sean Payton has a great scheme set up for Stidham, you can lose the football game.
00:41:13
Savage Boston
And everyone's just going by names. They're like, ah, Stidham, ah, he's a backup. And Dre, like they're just doing it by names. Well, you have to play the game and you have to score points. And so same thing.
00:41:23
Bret
Thank you.
00:41:24
Savage Boston
The Patriots get to 20 points. They should win the game. I think they get to 20 points. They should win. But like, I don't know what you're getting from Stidham. I know he can play football. He's done okay when he's played in the past.
00:41:36
Savage Boston
So, you know, I hope they have the only advantage I'd say is Joshua Daniels knows Stidham very well. And that's an advantage, I for the Patriots because, again, he can tell Vrabel what he likes or doesn't like.
00:41:48
Savage Boston
I think that's good. um But, yeah, it's certainly it's not it's a more favorable matchup than you would have had if Bo Nix was there. That's all we know, right? It's more favorable than it would have been.
00:42:03
Snooty
You know what gives me the most confidence going into this game? Is that last drive the Patriots ah offense had against the Texans where they effectively ended it. They burned off like four or five minutes a clock running the ball down the field.
00:42:14
Savage Boston
I love that drive. Clock killing Ramondre Stevenson.
00:42:17
Snooty
they They flipped the field. We were texting about it.
00:42:18
Bret
Thank you.
00:42:19
Snooty
They flipped the field. They burned four or five minutes.
00:42:23
Savage Boston
Six.
00:42:23
Snooty
And they...
00:42:23
Savage Boston
Three first downs, six minutes.
00:42:25
Snooty
six minutes. They effectively ended the game.
00:42:26
Savage Boston
Great drive.
00:42:27
Snooty
They didn't finish it, but they effectively ended the game because they took so much time.
00:42:30
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:42:31
Snooty
And they knew they were running too, right?
00:42:32
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:42:33
Snooty
Like everybody knew what was happening and they did it.
00:42:36
Savage Boston
was all Mondre too.
00:42:36
Snooty
That gives me the most, that gives me, yes, that gives me the most confidence going into this, into this game.
00:42:37
Savage Boston
All Mondre too.
00:42:42
Bret
Well, and that's that right there has been the biggest knock because that's the first time all year that we've been able to establish the run when we need to establish a run and everyone knows we're trying to run the ball.
00:42:54
Bret
We talked about that all year. we couldn't do it we and we struggled. This was the first game in the gotta have it moment where we're We're running this way.
00:43:04
Bret
You know it. We know it. Strap on who's going to get this yard. And, like, we we just drove the ball, like, 50 yards, flipped the field, and chewed clock. Like, yeah, that was game-sealing level just great gutted out push from the O-line.
00:43:24
Savage Boston
Great drive.
00:43:25
Bret
Mondray picking it up and just – protecting the ball, like huge. So i I agree. And again, I also look at it and say, we had drives where all of a sudden it was like the offense just clicked. And then like, we were just connecting on guys on those slant routes. And like, it was Drake was making throws guys were making contested catches and we were just producing.
00:43:46
Bret
And I look at it and say like, to your point earlier, like, It's not pretty guys like Brady didn't Brady didn't go out in games and throw for 400 yards for touchdowns like every fucking playoff game like hum his whole career.
00:43:59
Savage Boston
So like later in his career, like he really didn't do that much at all.
00:44:04
Bret
Like it's not like every game Brady went out in a playoff game and was putting up MVP caliber numbers every single playoff game. Like people were talking about the Denver Broncos as if they're the 2000s Baltimore Ravens.
00:44:19
Bret
And like we go out there. Yeah. He struggles at times to move the ball, but the offense gets three touchdowns, puts up 21 points and now like inclement weather game. That's hard to make catches hard to throw the ball.
00:44:33
Bret
And it's like, guys look at it and say, ah the offense sucks. And it's like, guys, what did you expect? Did you think they were going to go out there and route them? Like what just happened to the Niners by Seattle? Like,
00:44:45
Savage Boston
That's a route.
00:44:45
Bret
The Niners are freaking a hospital team right now. Like, of course they went out there and did that. Denver wasn't out there as a hospital team on defense. Yeah, their offense is bagged up, which is why our defense feasted.
00:44:56
Snooty
Houston.
00:44:57
Bret
But, yeah, Houston, which is why our defense feasted. But their their defense was fully healthy.
00:45:04
Savage Boston
Well, I just want to just, just to review that the, to review the team stats from this past weekend, because everyone does individual stuff.
00:45:04
Bret
And our offense just found ways to score. Yeah.
00:45:11
Savage Boston
Yeah. Obviously we said like Drake made the plays when he had to, he did enough to win the game, but honestly, like they only had 248 total yards, the Patriots, not a lot.
00:45:21
Savage Boston
Right. And 143 passing yards. Cause they got, he got sacked so many times. 105 rushing 3.9 yards per play. They had 13 first downs. They went three of 14 on third down.
00:45:35
Savage Boston
Right. um They allowed five sacks and they punted eight times. Well, like it was, as they lost two fumbles, right? Like we know it was a really sloppy game.
00:45:46
Savage Boston
I just would expect better. That's all I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to go against that. I would expect better. from the Patriots this weekend on offense. That's all I'll say. I don't know. The defense hopefully holds up. I just can't envision them punting another eight, eight times.
00:46:03
Snooty
thank But think about it.
00:46:03
Savage Boston
Eight.
00:46:06
Snooty
What was your prediction for the score?
00:46:09
Savage Boston
Yeah. i had a 20 to 17.
00:46:12
Snooty
ah How do you score only 20 points and not punt a shitload?
00:46:17
Savage Boston
Yeah, you figure some field goals. I figured we said, me and my my dad are there. We're like, why is this half so long? We're watching, we're like, this is a long fucking game.
00:46:25
Snooty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:27
Savage Boston
I was like, dude, da it's the end of the first. It's been an hour. because there's so much sloppy play turnovers, commercials. There were no like field goals. Like you just expect people to have longer drives or they run the ball, but there's so much turnover. So I just think this game in the Broncos, I assume will probably be a faster paced game where there's more running, probably some more first downs, hopefully less turnovers by us.
00:46:53
Savage Boston
um And I assume it'll be much better, probably a better offense, how it's run. by a better coach for Denver, even with Stidham. It's just, can you envision Stidham playing worse than CJ Stroud?
00:47:08
Bret
No, but it's also
00:47:08
Savage Boston
It's almost, impossible almost genuinely almost impossible.
00:47:12
Bret
the the weather was clearly a factor on Stroud. Like, he couldn't throw it at all.
00:47:17
Savage Boston
Yeah, but that's, but the question again, like, could you see Stidham performing worse than CJ Stroud? And I don't see how you could say,
00:47:25
Bret
No.
00:47:28
Savage Boston
he'd be worse. I don't see how you can say it.
00:47:29
Bret
No, he's not going to throw four picks.
00:47:31
Snooty
I could see him throwing like three picks. like I could see that, but I don't see it look i don't see it looking as ugly as...
00:47:35
Bret
Not throwing four.
00:47:38
Snooty
like strap like the fucking The pick six, that was the calamity of just fucking fuckhead.
00:47:38
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:47:45
Snooty
That was just fucking terrible. The whole fucking thing was just awful.
00:47:47
Savage Boston
yeah Yeah. He had a 28, Charoud had a 28 passer rating and it was 20 of 47. Almost impossible.
00:47:53
Snooty
And i think if you just I think if you just spike the ball, I think someone said this, if you just spike the ball every time your passer rating would be like 32.
00:47:54
Savage Boston
almost impossible
00:48:01
Snooty
So like he's he was actively worse than if you just spike the ball every fucking snap for the whole game.
00:48:08
Savage Boston
Yeah, it was atrocious. So, all right, let's get into it. Let's do predictions now. um Let's wrap it. I'll take taking the Pats and I'm thinking get them at 27, 27, 20.
00:48:20
Savage Boston
I'll give them a 27, 20 Pats.
00:48:25
Savage Boston
twenty seven twenty ill at twenty seven twenty pat
00:48:30
Snooty
Patriots 23 to 17.
00:48:35
Bret
Wow. All right. I'm going to say Patriots 28 to 14. I don't think it's that close.
00:48:42
Savage Boston
All right, give a little – there you go. Someone's got to go a little more of a heavy hit play.
00:48:45
Bret
I don't think it's close.
00:48:47
Savage Boston
right, guys. Well, thanks for tuning in. We'll wrap it here. Not go too long. um Obviously lots to talk about. But, yeah, AFC Championship, man. I don't know. no one whatve saw it No one saw it coming for real.
00:48:57
Bret
Let's go.
00:48:59
Savage Boston
Everyone joked about it, but nobody saw AFC fucking Championship. That's all I'll say. So,
00:49:04
Bret
No one.
00:49:05
Snooty
Hopefully next week we're back here talking about the first of two episodes previewing the Super Bowl.
00:49:07
Savage Boston
oh, man.
00:49:11
Savage Boston
that would be that would be That would be awesome. so All right, we'll catch you guys next time. Peace.
00:49:16
Snooty
See you.
00:49:16
Bret
Peace.