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OPE S3 Episode 1 We Have Football!!!!
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Aloha and Welcome to another episode of OPE!!! This week we bring on the guys from Coast 2 Coast Packers of @gameonwisconsin7522 to break down the Packers preseason victory over the Cleveland Browns!! We give the goods and the bads! We also introduce a new segment called Boom Roasted where we Roast bad takes from social media! Make sure to like and subscribe! also be sure to visit our website ohanapackers.org for all our great content and our official merch store!!!
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Welcome and Introduction
00:00:30
Speaker
Aloha and welcome back to another episode of the Ohana Packers Edition podcast. The podcasts were two dudes from halfway around the world talk everything green and gold. And today we're joined by Amr and Bernie from Coast to Coast Packers. Amr, Bernie, thanks for joining the show today as we finally we are reviewing an actual football game.
00:00:51
Speaker
And as they
Casual Game Discussion
00:00:52
Speaker
say, the refs are on preseason too. We are, op OP is as well because we have no freaking show notes because I finished watching the game right before hopping on this this um this podcast. So no notes, we're going bareboned. Armor, Bernie, as we always do with all our guests, we we've throw you guys right into the middle of the fire. Thank you for joining us today and we're going to have some fun.
00:01:17
Speaker
Hell yeah, man. We can't wait, man. i'm Looking forward to it. I think we've been ready for this for a while now. So I know um'm I'm ready. Bernie, what you got? Oh, man. I'm ready, man. I did my show, Big G Sports, as I always do every Sunday morning. And i that was the the first thing I talked about on the air was was Packers Browns. So I'm ready. I got my
Packers vs. Browns Recap
00:01:37
Speaker
notes up here now.
00:01:38
Speaker
ah So right let's do this thing. To keep it with some sort of sophistication and organization, we will try to run this like we usually do for our regular season games. So we're going to start off with a quick overview, change some notes between all of us. Then we go through offense, defense, special teams. I know it's a little bit clunky and funky with a preseason game just because, you know, how many guys are we watching are actually going to make the final roster? But there was a lot of good Honestly, not too much bad by my opinion, but I know that we'll um definitely exchange notes over that as we go. But overview, Packers win 23-10 against the Cleveland Browns on the road to open up the 2024 preseason. um Guys, initial thoughts, just quick and dirty off the cuff. What you guys got?
00:02:26
Speaker
Start with the guess. I'll start right away, man. It was just like, how beautiful was it to see the touchdown that we got, the love Wix connection. I mean, I think that's what everyone wanted to happen. and we And we got it. And then we, you know, we probably won't see love for rest of the preseason, but it was ah it was a thing of beauty.
Player Performance Analysis
00:02:49
Speaker
Wix didn't even break stride. It seemed like we didn't even break a sweat. I love it. I'm ready for the regular season.
00:02:56
Speaker
Man, I don't think I can ah piggyback off that anymore, man. When it comes down to seeing Jordan Love come out two for two, throw a bomb, touchdown, get Wicks just kind of telling everybody exactly what he's about and all the hype he's been getting from Mina Kimes.
00:03:12
Speaker
Steve Smith and everybody else. That was awesome. And just honestly, even though we saw a very, very, very vanilla offense and defense, just seeing how the defense, just seeing on the defensive line we're attacking more, it was awesome. And I just think that Goody may have really struck gold, not just with the draft class, but also his UDFAs. A lot of the guys that are playing, that are playing on the offensive line that were not even draft picks, it really showed out.
00:03:40
Speaker
Yeah, these guys have already basically said anything. So let's just jump into like the offense because as Bernie said that you had that amazing play ah pass deep bomb from love to Wix. And that's been the story of training camp so far is the deep ball by Jordan Love.
00:03:58
Speaker
we just saw it perfectly. Now, I know I'm probably going to get roasted myself from last week saying that Wix is maybe
Injury Concerns and Roster Debates
00:04:05
Speaker
a 50-50. You know, we're not sure about Wix's because of his lack of playing snaps and stuff like that. We know who the top three are, Watson, Dobbs, and Reed, and we weren't sure, or I wasn't sure after that, but I think Wix is starting to solidify himself into four. Although,
00:04:25
Speaker
If you look at the snap counts, that pass was his only snap of the game. So you got to kind of question why they're limiting, you know, the interaction with him, especially considering like Amr just said that we're probably not going to see, and Bernie said that these guys aren't probably going to play the rest of the preseason.
00:04:46
Speaker
So you're only going to give this guy one snap and and then we're done. you know Are they worried about something with him? Is he dealing with something ticky tack? The one down thing that I have to say about this game is we did find out the Marshawn Lloyd has been dealing with a a hamstring that flared up again on him.
00:05:07
Speaker
100% of Packers player. Yeah, I was gonna say he fits right in. He fits right in. Jordan did say he wanted to play some more, so he did say that he wanted to have a little bit more in the last preseason game. So against Baltimore's defense, that would be pretty nice.
00:05:20
Speaker
Well yeah and if you guys remember with the old preseason the way it used to be with the four games usually the starters would play like a couple of snaps in the first game they would play a quarter in the third game a half in the second or the a quarter in the second game a half and a a half in third and then the fourth game they weren't playing anything all back up yeah so they've got to kind of fix that in with everything else but The one thing I want to say about the Wix bomb is, did y'all catch how early he was calling for the ball? Yeah, i
Offensive Line and Strategy
00:05:54
Speaker
he knew it. He knew he was gone. Even is leaving. That was textbook on every layer. Wix was even and leaving. Love puts his back foot in the ground, throws it. no you know we Joe, you and I talked about it a lot last year. We thought there were too many chefs in the kitchen with his deep ball. You know you had the floor going into the hole, put air under it.
00:06:13
Speaker
And the thing is, is like love was a good deep ball thrower in college. yeah A lot of his production was off deep shot plays out of nevada or not nevada ah Utah State's running shoot style offense. And so it was kind of weird to see him struggle so much with it last year. And it was you know we saw we talked about it on last week's show. You saw the upturn or the second you know second half last third of the season, really, where it kind of started to come back. and um and then it's really good to see him carry it forward in this first preseason game now also to touch on that Lafleur did say he basically already said loves not playing next week but he said i think like a handful of starters will play so um i'm not surprised and on the the wicks point i view it from the totally other side of it i think that
00:07:00
Speaker
They have high expectations and a lot of shit that they're going to use him on. So, um you know, let him get out there, run a little bit. And then I just think that they're going to unveil him in a whole bunch of different ways. And there's no point in showing him doing anything out of the ordinary in the preseason.
00:07:17
Speaker
Um, you know, this is a simple slot feed that he scored on uh yesterday and I mean just love to see it like pun intended Well, I think my thing is is I want and it was kind of what I was leading in with the marsh on moid thing is I wonder if there's like a hidden injury that we're not hearing about because I don't know about you guys but I don't remember anybody saying about loyd having a hamstring issue until After the game and they said that he's been dealing with this since the beginning of camp So I'm wondering if it might be the same thing with what's happened He said it though like I don't think he was letting him know because he was saying I've had a little hamstring this whole time Yeah, he's been pushing through it. I think he was kind of keeping it to himself and he's cuz he's had it before So he said yeah, you haven't really caught up on him in the games I think maybe he made I've been forthcoming with the medical staff when it came to his entity and that could be true cuz think about that understanding for time Valentine hasn't played since he pulled his hammy, right? yeah And then I know
00:08:15
Speaker
Cooper had a hammy that he tried to be a groin same thing. They've been safe with him, too So I think like Marshawn had already missed time because the hip I don't think he wanted to come on big Oh my hamstrings acting up to give me a rookie, you know, sometimes some guys are like hey Randall copy instead of he was a second round pick he thought that he was gonna get cut because he wasn't gaining a game time because the fact that Remember the strike so he didn't even play right? So somebody's guys come in thinking like no matter where I'm getting drafted Your best abilities available and if he's not out there He may said screw it. I'm gonna try to push through it and kind of maybe hurt himself more by doing so Right, and and it could be kind of the same thing with wicks too. I don't know and I'm not trying to I
00:08:54
Speaker
play, you know, hot take here and say, no, it's just, it's kind of weird that he only played one snap considering that there is this huge battle at the back end of the, you know, from basically four down, there's this huge battle for position ship in the wide receiver group. So it's weird that he only got one snap while the other guys were getting you know, major. I just think, I just think it, I understand where you're coming from, but I just think it speaks to the other side of it. I think he's basically locked on the roster and the reason that you saw Dubose Heath melting even to another extent, you know, those three guys get a lion's share of the snaps the rest of the game. It's because they're just trying to figure out, you know, five through seven who is going to take those last few spots on this roster. I do think
00:09:40
Speaker
I think, especially with you know we got to finally see the new kickoff rules of inactive. We'll talk this more in the special team section. But I think the new kickoff rule, it really does lend itself to keeping more receivers on the roster. I know that it's still a little bit of a clusterfuck in terms of like you have the 53, you have the new rules, but you still only got a game day 46 active and stuff. So you know there's some shuffling on that side of it.
00:10:04
Speaker
but I do think it opens up you know more not even flexibility, but new quote unquote new wave roster construction thinking because you're like, oh, like we only just stuck one guy back there. And so if you couldn't tackle or you couldn't block, it's like we don't need you on this roster as a six or seven wide receiver. But now it's like, oh, we might need two returners who can you know do whatever with the ball and stuff. So so I just I know that's one that will kind of be bouncing on. And I don't think you're wrong to think that way, Joe. I think that the way you're coming at it is um very constructive, unlike some other people who we may go into in another segment where it's kind of like, six snaps, he's getting cut. So um I think you are trying to take a more judicious approach to thinking about it. But
00:10:54
Speaker
i because we've seen weirder things happen we've seen weirder things happen where we were for sure this one guy was going to be on the 53 man roster all the way through training camp and then when they get to final cuts he's not even on on on the team anymore yeah so i'm not saying the same thing but yeah yeah so it just it's one of those things that i'm not saying that's going to happen with wix it's just i'm i know there's three main guys that aren't going to get moved for anything unless it's like a major trade or they go out and have this you know they do like denver wide receivers tend to do and go out speeding 150 mile an hour down the road and take out you know a house or whatever so
Quarterback and Offensive Depth
00:11:41
Speaker
it's
00:11:45
Speaker
Um, but unless that happens, you know, you know who your three main guys are after that. it's It's, you know, okay. Well, we have this fluctuation between these other guys that need to have a niche to be able to stay on the roster. Anyway, we got guests and I feel like I'm, I'm taking up all the time. What were your guys's bright spots for this offense? Offense. I think if anything,
00:12:10
Speaker
I think we saw that Michael Pratt can put down a good lead block. um but yeah Just kidding. But i'm honestly, I think I'd like the work that we saw with Jacob Monk. I know his practice snaps and training camp haven't been the greatest, but he's a gamer. He was out there, he was tossing guys. There was maybe one or two blocks where he maybe lost a little bit of leverage, but for the most part,
00:12:33
Speaker
he looked the part. I don't think, I mean, there's a lot of talk about AJ Dillon not running, you know, either he didn't have anything set up for him or he didn't run well. End of the day, Emmanuel Wilson was the man that people weren't talking about and they need to talk about because he ran his butt off. Like he was Oh, you can say it. Don't sense yourself on this show. I know, I know, I know. that He rained his ass off, right? Like, we came in for Aaron Jones in that divisional game. You know, they should have kept giving him the rock because he was getting yards. He was positive. And honestly, that he he he is definitely running back that I don't think he gives up that RB2 spot anytime soon.
00:13:16
Speaker
i I like Wilson too. He was the leading rusher, I think in the preseason last year, like of the league, not just the Packers. he He has got a great chance to do it again this year. You know, we got to see Grant DeBose just ball out yesterday, but he's going to need like two more games in the preseason like that to invader Yeah. i hear it The dog hears me talking, man. and So, ah ah Grant DeBose has got to ball up two more games because it's just like, you know, when I'm watching it yesterday and then you see Samara Toure out on the field, you know, like he's a guy that I wanted to make the roster last year. And, i you know, I just don't see him
00:14:07
Speaker
cracking crack in the roster this year. um But I want to talk about the quarterback too. Like Clifford and Pratt are both ballers, man. yeah They both go out there to play. and And now why I don't think either of them right now are in a place that like if the If the worst case scenario happened where love got knocked out for a big portion of the season, I don't know if these two guys are going to lead us to the playoffs, but they they give you the vibe that they're going to go out there and they're going to play their asses off and and they're going to do everything they thing they can to keep us afloat.
00:14:43
Speaker
But the performance yesterday yesterday, Matt, both of them just solid games. It's it's what you'd love to see. I thought Pratt would come in here and and push Clifford out of the pitcher. But I think this QB2 battle is going to be the funnest thing to watch all preseason. Yeah, I thought Pratt looked a little bit cleaner than Clifford did, but they both, like you said, Bernie, had had solid ah game time.
00:15:09
Speaker
but Yeah, I like you said, I don't think I would trust any either of them with it to win anything major if something were to happen to Jordan. But I think as of right now, maybe Clifford would be able to lead it a little bit better just because he's had a little bit longer in the system to ah help him out a little bit more.
00:15:31
Speaker
oh Let's go ahead and talk about it, because I have some feels on it. Bo Melton, um I'm not saying he's as horrible, whatever. He did have some bad luck on some ah you know his drops yesterday. But I think what's hurting him is, do Bo's stepping up?
00:15:53
Speaker
And we kind of were talking about this before hitting the record button. Yeah, ah some of the throws that mo Melton dropped weren't the best throws. But the old adages, if it hits you in your hands, you've got to come up with it. And he just he didn't come up with it. Now, I'm not doom or gloom with him.
Special Teams and New Rules
00:16:12
Speaker
We'll see what happens this next game. If he continues that downward trend with the drops, then you maybe got to consider, OK, he's not going to be making the 53.
00:16:23
Speaker
But, and if DeBose continues catching everything, the only thing I got to say about DeBose is it seemed like a lot of his were more body catches. And you've got to stay away from the body catches in the league. You've got to be able to handle that your your hands catches a lot more. Now, if if it's what's thrown at you, you do your best with it. but you know That's the one thing that they work on at training camp is making sure you're you're catching with your hands, not with your body. Yeah, I i can agree with you there. and Another thing about these wide receivers that I would like to see is like knowing that love is not going to be taking snaps in Denver. It would be nice to see Clifford and Pratt both get a shot at the offense with some of these you know starters in there to see what what can they do with the rest of the starting offense.
00:17:16
Speaker
I don't know if we'll get that in Denver. We'll probably get it from Clifford at least. You know, Clifford will get some snaps with some of those starters. We'll see if Pratt gets that chance. But that's something we got to take a look at sometime this preseason, right? Is letting these backup quarterbacks play within the offense with all the with the bigger names out there and the bigger line. Mike, what you got for bright spots on the offense?
00:17:42
Speaker
Um, I thought overall the O-line looked pretty good. The shining moment for me from the whole game is when Chris Rose dropped the Newman after Newman jumped a false start on that one play in the middle of the second quarter. I was like, yes, that is exactly what every factor fan thought in the moment.
00:18:00
Speaker
But um yeah, it was good. i thought I thought Ryan actually looked better at center than I thought he would during the game. I know it wasn't really against the um the Browns top line, but overall all the guys that you're hoping to make the roster, I thought they showed pretty well along the O-line.
00:18:16
Speaker
um running backs. Yeah. You know, the, the Dylan thing, it's obviously you want to see him do better. I thought he actually, the fourth down run, I thought he did actually make a good cut ran with some power. He just ran into four guys because the entire race line got their ass kicked kind of thing.
00:18:34
Speaker
Yeah, the second downplay, he just had nowhere to go. The third downplay, I thought he shuffled too much. But to each their own, he was playing against a more like half starter, half second string kind of group, whereas Wilson was playing against second and third stringers. So you want to see redistribution of snaps. Dylan probably doesn't play in Denver either. So you get to see Wilson against more starter-y types kind of thing, depending on who Denver throws out there.
00:19:03
Speaker
I, you know, we saw the main thing for guys like Wilson is the shit, the good shit we saw from him last preseason. We saw it again and he was better in other places too. And that's the kind of thing you like to see out of a guy who's in his second preseason with the team is like, okay, like he still got what made us excited last preseason. But on top of that, he's added a couple elements to his game. Still want to see him using the the receiving game a little bit more, but, um,
00:19:29
Speaker
Otherwise, yeah, like not too much to complain about. You know, that you had some kind of spotty run blocking here and there, but that's kind of what happens when you keep shuffling your O-line around as you get deeper and deeper into these preseason games. But it did seem like our O-line and, you know, Rose and um I forget what the other Browns guy talked, the ah more color commentator guy.
00:19:50
Speaker
they kind of were lamenting that the Browns D-line didn't look as good as they hoped as it would you know they're supposed to be a group with pretty solid depth there and Green Bay after a couple hiccups here and there Green Bay's O-line did kind of push them around the yard a little bit on Saturday so I thought that was really good to see too from the reserves so you know it's game one of the preseason the main thing um And on offense, and we'll get into it on defense too, your main starters, they all played very well. Like the the guys that you're expecting to play well on offense, it was, you know, Jacob's runs for like seven yards on his first run. Yeah, that was awesome. That was what? That was on Dillard and Ryan blocking off the right side, right? and I was like, yeah.
00:20:34
Speaker
All right. You know, like Telford too. Telford I thought was awesome. I think for- Telford looked better than I thought he would. Yeah. and And I know that the Cleveland wasn't really rushing anyone of name on him, but yeah still like it was good to see him put himself well. Yeah. yeah so I completely agree. Yeah. His pass blocking sets were nice. He has been moved that kind of messed him up a little bit, but for the most part, for an un-drive-free agent being a second year guy there,
00:20:58
Speaker
You look good, man. I was like, yeah, out of all the people out of all those big tackles that they've like kind of signed or drafted late, he looked the best out of them that got to play on Saturday. So um that was always that's always the kind of stuff that I find really promising to see. And like we kind of touched, I don't have much to say about the offensive coaching because it was a pretty, you know, ah beans and, you know, a meat and potatoes kind of game where it's just like pretty standard, not Nothing exciting, but, you know, guys making exciting plays out of the mundane and stuff, and you don't expect to see much game planning in a preseason game. So yeah it was how you got explosive plays, you got it the way you want to see it in the preseason. It's the guys actually doing the heavy lifting, not like, oh, LaFleur drew up something that got someone wide-ass open on
Defensive Strategies and Improvements
00:21:43
Speaker
a play. So good to see you. Look, that's the argument. That's the argument that the Jordan Love haters are making. Oh, well, LaFleur called a play.
00:21:51
Speaker
that got wicks on my dog wicks broke that dude's ankles right off the line that's what that was dude pulled something too because you could see he kind of pulled up going into the end yeah i was like yeah he cooked him right he pulled his pride likes me like and Those gimme throws were ones that Jordan was missing the beginning of the year. Yes, and that's the whole point. people don't get and then that's That's the exact point to make. yeah like It's a live rep against not your own defense who's seen you and you've seen them for a month at this point. This is a defense that you, you know, like I said, not much game planning for, but you did put you know you did watch film, you did kind of put a very vanilla game plan together and it's like, okay, we're going to run a slot flightde fade on this guy.
00:22:34
Speaker
Dontavion, we expect you to beat him. And Jordan, if he does, and he's in single coverage, you're going to hit him. And they both did. so That was Roger's bread and butter back in the day. He used to hit Lazard on that. He used to hit Adams on that. But it be it wouldn't be on the, it wouldn't be breaking in if you're breaking out when he would do the slot fade, right? But like, yeah, I saw that. I'm just like, dude, like you, they play single high safes, single high safety on that. And I was like, all right, you're going to do that. And if they, the thing is like our ah offense, the way it's set up now, because With Aaron Jones, when he's out there, he's amazing. right Don't get don't don get me wrong. And now that we've got Josh Jacobs, it's going to be a thing where like pick your poison. Are you going to stack the box? You do, and you've got to put someone in the you put somewhere in the box. Guess what's going to happen? You're going to have someone like Christian Watson, Dobbs, Wicks, Reed. Someone's going to get open, right? Or you're going to have a muscular aircraft. And then if you decide to play shell, which I play you know too high, then guess what's going to happen? You're going to have Jacobs, Wilson, and hopefully Lloyd or Dylan running down your throat. I don't know, man. The sky's a living right now.
00:23:32
Speaker
And I'm, I'm, I'm getting a little too hyped. That's all I know. A 65 yard bomb on his only throw or his only real thing will make you do that. So, you know what though? We needed that after seeing all the freaking hype for Kale Williams against like Buffalo's executive third stringers. And they were just like, Oh my God, he's perfect. He's, he's, he's the next air rockers. He's the next Pat Mahomes. I'm like, dog, you ain't playing no way. Buffalo ain't playing no one.
00:23:58
Speaker
let mean know you know and say how you know look I needed that I need two for two touchdown. Yeah, I'm I'm I need that I need to shut that shit up man and to to be Fair this is the first time in what 40 years since the Bears have been able to get hype about a quarterback So we got to let him have it for a little forget now ah receipts, baby. They they don't talk about Mitch Trubisky taking over the fucking north they were talking about He's going to dethrone Aaron Rodgers, use the next guy, man, and blah, blah, blah. No, don't forget that now. Don't forget to They talked about hitting the next great bet thing. Get out of here. Now this, I don't know how to take this stat. I don't know if this tells me that, uh, the Browns defensive line was just complete shit.
00:24:45
Speaker
or if the Packers offensive line was actually standing up. And Mike, you might have to correct me if I'm wrong since you're my stats guy. But but I think I read something that said Newman and Dillard didn't give up any pressures in like 22 snaps or whatever. Yeah, Dillard, I'll believe Newman had somewhere. You know, it's all subjective on how people write up what a pressure is and stuff. There was still a couple of plays that one of them was definitely the one where um Um, what's it called? Clifford had to break the pocket to his left and he threw that throw to DuBose on the sideline where DuBose was diving out of bounds. Catch it. Part of that is because Newman did his usual shit and got bull rushed right back into Clifford's lap. So, I mean, like I said, you know,
00:25:30
Speaker
by certain pressure rules he is between the rusher and the quarterback so they technically can say it wasn't a pressure but I'm sorry like anyone who's played quarterback in a in a high school JV pickup game you know on the beach and someone gets dropped in your lap it's like the shit i'm I'm breaking this pocket like I'm not not staying back here anymore so Yeah, you know, pressures is one of those that it's like, it can be subjective. I thought Dillard had a solid game. He had a couple plays where he kind of got a little shook because there was like a double move. But overall, I thought he played solid on the edge. Newman newman was Newman. Still kind of doesn't know. There's a stunt and stuff. Yeah. so i yeah so that But he won't be gone because as a rookie,
00:26:19
Speaker
here with over a thousand snaps and i think he has photos on the floor man yes i think the the renegotiation makes it easier to cut him this year because yeah yeah yeah i can that yeah it's it's two ways because it makes it easier to cut and makes it easier to trade so either way i think his days are a number and you're looking at like a kind of a like ah um a Van Lanin trade. You think with all the offensive line help that they pulled out of the draft that that shows that they're not trusting Newman anymore. You know, you don't pull Monk to be your interior guy. You don't draft Jordan Morgan to be, you know, whatever he's going to be. You don't draft Glover to.
00:27:03
Speaker
Uh, uh, you know, typing up to Nuda and stuff like that. So, yeah. And Caleb Joe. And then Donovan Jennings, that kid, the Donovan Jennings dude is the UDFA who was like one of Dan Brugler's like top, um, guards coming out. Like who didn't get drafted? Was he a Michigan, right? Was he a Michigan or was he? No, he's like one of the, one of the smaller schools. Yeah. But They say he's absolutely amazing. and Right now, he's banged up. He's injured right now. But he's a guy. Yeah, that one surprised me. I didn't remember hearing he got hurt. because I think he came in with something. I think he came in with like a shoulder or something like that. OK. But yeah, we'll put a bow on the offense. Like I said, um it's preseason. It's the first preseason game. It's a singular data point, so nothing to really trend off of. just you know
00:27:52
Speaker
um is What is it we've always got to say that remember the year the the Lions went 0 and 16th they were 4 and 0 in the preseason. That's what I'm waiting for the Bears. I want the Bears go to go undefeated in the preseason. I'll see yourselves up now.
00:28:12
Speaker
ah did did you Did you see that? and It was like Roger's second preseason in like his first... Yeah, yep. First preseason game of his second preseason. It was against the Browns. I'm a third play. He threw like a 65-yard touchdown pass. It was like yeah yeah it was like deja vu. ye That's crazy. that was That was the... Wait. That was the 2010 season.
00:28:41
Speaker
I think it was the 2010 season, yeah, where he did that. And so it's like this whole like- That was the whole driver got dropped into the stands because no one was there to catch him. Yeah. better' like Every years, right? It's a whole every 14 years thing. So definitely think like,
00:28:56
Speaker
It is a possibility, man. Hey, man, team's young. The way we went through the heartbreak, like we did against Arizona in 2009. So, hey, iy I am ready for it. I am ready. And then, look, new DC came in. New DC came in around that time, too. I mean, he came in 09. Capers came in 09, right? But, yeah. So, hell, sign me up, baby. I'm down. I'm good. Let's go.
00:29:18
Speaker
and to transition over, let's talk about that defense. So yes again, nothing much to take away, but you did see a couple, you know, it's a different, you know, it's a 4-3 base and 4-2-5 nickel, but um just in terms of intensity and um like okay so the the point of comparison between Barry and Halfly and this is probably like the only thing way I'm gonna say this is like the two schemes are predicated on like it's nothing overly complicated and it's you know it's the expectation is like we do that so that you know what you're supposed to do and you're supposed to go and execute but we actually saw it from Halfly's defense and yeah exactly like the yeah the point I'll lead off with before and then we'll record around the room again is
00:30:06
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And I know I've said this at a couple of times every couple of years, but that is one of the best tackling performances I've seen a Packers team have on defense in a while. And it didn't seem like it was a lot of smoke and mirrors. It did seem pretty like across the board, you saw everyone from D linemen to linebackers to defensive backs, breaking down, getting tackles in space. So that, you know,
00:30:30
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Like I said, that's the point I want to see drawn out over the rest of the preseason, because all the best defenses they tackle and they tackle well. um And that's kind of where I'm going to leave it. But Bernie, armmer what are you guys what else did you guys like seeing out there? ah You want to go first, Umar? Yeah, you know, I do. You know, I do my kids of defense and compared you a very, you know, i do baby. Thank you, man. That's why I love Bernie, man. Bernie knows my heart. OK, so so the truth is like no joke.
00:31:00
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you could just see like even when you watched half coaching up the defensive backs and training camp and the fact that he's a defensive coach by nature right but the way he was able to kind of take things like Andy Herman really explained this great where like he got back in his element and he wasn't about like hey couldn't cut our approach I have a way that I want you guys to do things if you do it differently I'm not gonna accept it I feel like Joe Berry was very much like that and half was it showing them how to do things and when Jod did a different kind of way he was kind of hey I know you do this a little bit differently but you're still doing exactly what I want but you're doing it your own flair works perfect and that I feel like has been permitted permitt permeated permeated through the whole defense right to where you're hard
00:31:44
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Right, I know, right? that That's an S.E.T. word, man. It's just one of those things where you can see the defensive plane extremely more actively, ah something that Mike said about the tackling. I think the guy that really stood out was Evan Williams. And yeah when he was drafted, I remember I was on this show and I put my hands up when he got drafted because that's one I remember safety.
00:32:05
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And then I was like, wait, Evan Williams, the seventh round pick, and then we got him in a fourth. What the hell are we doing? And then Justin Biscay, I told you guys earlier before you started recording, Justin Biscay got a message from the defensive staff, Morgan, saying that take your graduation, you got a best defensive player. And no joke, every interview Evan has done, he sounds like a three-year pro.
00:32:25
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he also has been making play after play after play. I mean, dude, he's literally tried to kill Christian Watson like three freaking times. Like, and not intentionally, but I'm just saying like, he's he's he's there, right? And even in this game.
00:32:37
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every time he was around the ball, it wasn't the fact that he was tackling guys like how Blake Martinez used to, you know, he'd hit him and then he'd get dragged for five yards or something, right? No, he's hitting him and he's stopping him right then and there. I mean, pure, perfect tackling form and just knowing how to get guys down and not making things get worse than what they were caused a fumble. I mean, he was just everywhere. And yes, I know that If you have to give Joe Berry some credit, his first year as DC, they were a very, very, very good tackling team. They were all hats on the ball. I think that's when, you know, Devontae Campbell had like his all pro year. So there was a lot of things that played into it. But then you saw that kind of go away following years, right? That tackling aspect was gone the last couple of years. I feel like a half lead. I think it is simple. And I think that that is definitely being pushed across. But the fact that
00:33:29
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My last thing I'll say here is Devontae Wyatt. He was a menace on those first two drives. like They had no answer for him. And he was the reason why Lucas Van Ness got sacked. He was the reason why that um the the quarterback, James Winston, was thought you had to throw away incompletions. He was literally like, that is the guy that they thought they drafted out of Georgia. And he's showing up. And I think if the whole defensive line plays like that, it's going to be similar to Legion of Boom.
00:33:56
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where you're gonna have four rushing and you're gonna have everybody else in coverage and they're all just gonna be making plays on the ball. And I can't wait. All right, I'm done talking. If I keep, I'm gonna keep going, I won't talk anymore. I'm hyped.
00:34:11
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Oh yeah, and and I love the performance we got from Evan Williams. The only thing I'm going to say about him was like, I thought he was going to come and lead this team in special teams tackles this year, because he led the Ducks in tackles last season. And so I know he's he's got a nose for the ball, and he showed it yesterday. He might be our leading tackle for this preseason, and he's the way he's playing is he's he's going to put himself out there for meaningful snaps.
00:34:35
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The Lucness Monster, right? We saw him with three tackles for a loss yesterday. And, you know, like, you know, give the assist, like you said, Umber to Wyatt on that sack. But that's what this defense line is going to be all about, is that you can't double up on anyone. One guy is going to be chaos and disruptive, and then the other guy is going to finish up the play. I'm stoked. Van Ness is is a much better player with his hand in the dirt. We saw that in Iowa, right? Like,
00:35:04
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He doesn't need to be in a two-man stance. he he's He's a
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00:35:08
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monster. Put his hand in the dirt, unleash the beast. And we're going to see that with with Van Ness this season. um As for the linebackers, I feel like the inside linebacker, that's where we got to really nail down. you know we need We're going to need more from from Cooper throughout this time.
00:35:27
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um You know, McDuffie might be a guy that plays a lot of snaps early in the season as Cooper catches up, because McDuffie already knows the half-league system being a Boston College guy. And yeah i'm I'm excited for this defense. You know, like we saw great tackling yesterday, like that's been said. And I'm excited to see anything that's not Joe Berry, honestly. You know, that's just kind of where I am at with this defense. It's got me excited, right? I got it.
00:35:58
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Stay composed, though, right? Because we saw Winston yesterday. and what There was no Mari Cooper, no Jerry Judy out there yesterday either, right? um Yeah. He has a knee injury, so he's going to be on the walk a little bit. and And so it's like we saw some great things from this defense, but I'm not trying to hype myself up too much yet, but it's but but it's a step in the right direction, right? like it's it's a I feel like the transition is is ahead of of itself already.
00:36:27
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hundred percent 100%. Even Eric Stokes was looking better. I mean, he was making tackles and he was getting in there and making plays. The one and, you know, I'm always the Debbie Downer of the group. I got to be the Debbie Downer of the group.
00:36:42
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I
00:37:01
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out there, you're learning the new system. But for as much hype as Halfly and all them were putting on Kishon going into this preseason game, you know, oh, we're excited for him. That's why we brought him back. This is what we we're going to do with him. He was looking a little bit rough. oh you I got to, you know, the linebackers, obviously we were missing Cooper, we were missing Hopper, so we couldn't see what we had there.
00:37:26
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Uh, but Quaid was looking pretty good. McDuffie is going to do what McDuffie does and he's not going to be your coverage guy. He's going to be your downhill runner that cleans up, you know, uh, uh, a run gameplay or, you know, rushes the the quarterback a little bit more. Uh, the safeties were looking, was looking great.
00:37:45
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Anthony Johnson jr. Who Mike and I have really pounded the table for even though he is a fucking cyclone um good yeah The only issue is is he he Went he reverted back to last year's tackling on one of the plays where instead of wrapping up and pulling down he like tried to hit with the shoulder and Came off of him and it allows the savage. Yeah Yeah, pretty much. Although we got to watch that because Mike is a huge Savage fan. So we can't, we can't integrate. Yeah. Yeah. um me oh But, um you know, that was the only thing I saw bad about Anthony Johnson Jr. Was just that one tackle where had he put everything behind it, it would have been a little bit different, but he slid off the guy and the guy got a few more yards.
00:38:36
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um The pass rush, of course, my boy, you know, I'm Iowa guy, Lucas Van Ness look great. look good look good Um, uh, Cox even looked a little bit ah decent. He had a little few rough moments, but, uh, he was looking pretty good. Uh,
00:38:56
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There was one other guy that I was trying to think of, but now he's completely went out of my mind, so he must not have been that important anyway. um But overall, like you guys said, i'm I'm really excited for this defense. I'm always excited when a new coach comes in.
00:39:13
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I was, you know, when Joe Berry took over, I wasn't excited about the pick, but I was excited to see what the defense could do because, you know, we were just coming off of a rough defense with Patton. A change can always do. You know there, it's either going to be good or bad. Well, you're you gotta be excited for what the journey is going to take you on that. We found out what Barry did. That was the end of it. Now we got half way who seems to be a better.
00:39:43
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Coach, if you want to say it, ah the one thing I've always said about Joe Berry is. He's a good positional guy where he can teach up a position, but he can't instill a install a scheme. Whereas Halfly's Halfly halfley seems like a guy that can not only coach up his players, but he knows how to install a scheme and he knows how to make adjustments with that scheme.
00:40:08
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Now we'll see what happens when they actually put, you know, in, in live, you know, in regular season games to see how well he's going to be able to make adjustments. But, you know, with what the defense did yesterday, even the second, third, fourth string guys, you know, it's got to get you excited for it. I mean, they, I know it's preseason, but they still held them down to two scores. Yeah. And I know that No, go ahead. I was just going to finish it by saying, and that's got to be an exciting, you know, got to be something that makes you excited.
00:40:41
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I was gonna say when it came to like, we knew what Joe Barry is, not to belabor that, but we knew what we got when we got him, right? He had a history of being a very mediocre to subpar DC, right? With Halfway, we knew that he had been a part of really good defensive schemes and defensive teams, but we didn't know as a full DC, full-time DC coordinator as himself, not like as a co-coordinator like he was Ohio State, we didn't know what we're gonna get.
00:41:04
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and people were able to kind of break down the stuff that he did in Boston College to get understanding about defensively, what he was going to do. But still, even then, though, being a head coach is completely different than being just D.C., right? And I think the one thing that I've heard and I thought this way, too, was that we have a matliff floor on defense now. Yeah. You know, we didn't have that before. Like very much like Joe Berry was like the definition of insanity where like he kept trying to do the same thing, expect a different result. Right. I feel like with Halfly,
00:41:34
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What we're going to see from week in and week out is not going to be the same thing every week. Like he's going to adjust just like the floor does when it comes to who he's playing and trying to take advantage of deficiencies and weaknesses against that team. And I'm all for that. Like I know, like I still saw us 10 yards off on a fourth and short, which on a third and short, which really drove me crazy. But it's a preseason. So I'm hoping that doesn't happen in real life, in real games. But yeah.
00:42:01
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I couldn't agree more that we have, I think like we may have a Malifloran defense and that's extremely exciting. I'm going to use this analogy for Joe Berry and this will be the last time I'll, I'm going to talk about him in this episode. He reminds me of the coach from water boy, not the, not Henry Winkler, the other one. He could do everything in the world that came out of that book. Yeah. But once it got away from that book, he couldn't do anything.
00:42:29
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Yeah. And that was Joe Barry. He could do everything by what his book told him to do with that ski. Yeah. But when it came to adjustments and trying to go outside that book, he couldn't do a single thing out of it. Yeah, I agree with that 100%. I don't even think he was doing that. good That guy actually was a successful coach. Well, yeah, I mean, if you think about it, when Halfly could get his book to go and it was being run by the book he was having some success with it because you would get the odd game that you know they held them down to like two scores or they did this or they had this many sacks or they had this many uh interceptions or they did this and this that was when everything went perfectly by the hook yeah
00:43:17
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I personally don't think Joe Berry could win the bourbon ball, but that's just me. All right,
00:43:31
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get that man too much credit that right so what do we got next, Mike? is ah Are we going to touch on a little bit of Special teams and then we go into our newest segment or yeah well I mean that so like I hinted at before we finally saw the new kicking rules and they actually weren't as I think it was one of those words like I just need to see it but like reading yeah Reading the worst was giving me a headache and making me cross-eyed It actually did like even even as Rose and stuff were like trying to just do the quick notes the cliff notes version on the broadcast it was kind of like oh like what and then but once they're like and especially because they did put the like
00:44:10
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kick it here zone kind of thing and stuff that made it you know that was the kind of visual graphic that we needed to make it very apparent is like okay like that's what you're going for and stuff so the only thing i didn't like about the kickoffs or these new kickoffs is starting at the 35 on a touch bag i think we're getting to the point where that's getting too close into you know to the 50 yard line and all that so it that just what's the point of even trying to do a run back what Well, that's the thing is like the whole point with that rule is like they're trying to stop teams from kicking it into the end zone and stuff. so
00:44:48
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um Or you know that like seeing it played out, the person who would have benefited from this shit the most is um end of Packer's career, Ryan Longwell, who like could get hang time on kickoffs but couldn't kick it past the five yard line to save his life. but These rules were made for for him hot early 2000s Ryan Longwell to a tee.
00:45:11
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yeah like it I liked it. I ended up liking it. i Like I said, just trying to read through the rules and like reading through the like player, other players do not move until the ball is caught and all that crap. It was like, hello how is that going to look? But it actually didn't look as stupid as, you know, it it kind of played out.
00:45:30
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right the way i kind of liking it too is it played out like a penalty kick in soccer kind of thing where it's like yeah and and i and i liked it i'm i'm sure there'll be something where i'm like oh this is stupid but overall um i did like how the action played out on it i think it does Ironically, I think it does kind of solve a lot of the safety issues that you had from the old kickoff rules where you had guys running from 30 yards apart and they're just spearing the living shit out of each other. ah You know, they tried to like rule out the foreman, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, and all you know, all that, you know, all the stuff that we grew up when we played when we were holding hands like the 10 yard line. and It's like creating, you know, the the inverted V as we try to return a kickoff. So, um, Well, you guys had Ryan Gran on recently and he was even talking about some of that stuff where, you know, had they been doing the same things in practice now back when he played, he'd still be playing for, you know, who knows how long. Instead of the six years that he had, he'd still be playing, you know, 10 years down the line because they're protecting him a little bit more in practice.
00:46:34
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Yeah, and then I otherwise in the kicking game didn't see to it was nice to see Anders make everything nice to see Joseph make everything. um Good to see Anders have to kick like a, you know, walk off kick to end the first half and stuff but otherwise.
00:46:48
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um And it was good to see Orzic make good long snaps. He needs to fucking keep doing that. Because I'm sick and tired of seeing Dan Whelan have to become a freaking ballerina and contortionist to catch every long snap and put the fucking ball down. So whoever wins it, you know, whether it's Orzic or shoot him. Bowden. Bowden, man. Bowden. That's my badger boy. That's my badger boy. That's my badger boy.
00:47:15
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like whichever one whoever's gonna put it right here where wheeling's got his hands that's all i give a shit about like just just do that keep doing that so yeah but the rest of you any any thoughts on the special teams i feel like overall nothing too much to speak of otherwise uh my only thought is it's like Joseph and Carlson did what we asked them to do, right? ah Carlson banged a 46 yarder in, right? That's, that's, ah that's his, that's that area, right? That's that range where he was struggling that 40 to 49 yard range. Yeah. So, so it felt good. Barely banged it in though. Yeah. Left. And I was like, that,
00:47:56
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It was like that dog. I will kill that one because talking to kickers that is what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to kick it at that opposite upright because especially if you're right footed from the left side it's it's kind of like when you throw a ball when you throw a deep ball the ball is going to fade a certain way kind of thing so you have a certain draw with how you get you know that soccer style yeah i didn't know that so that makes sense that's pretty cool yeah yeah and and it is like okay and then and then you get into the like fucking calculus of it where it's like oh but if it's windy and you know depending on which stadium you're in the wind circles higher you know the you know the wind the wind gradients are higher at different you know parts of the stadium and shit like that so but
00:48:39
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Yeah, i don't and you know nfl and that's what I tell everyone is, everyone's like, oh, like just kick it. I'm like, if you've never stood on a football field and just, you know, it looks fucking far from the old PAT spot. you know It's like the ball snapped from the two yard line and you're kicking it from the 10. I'm like, when you're down there and you're looking at that thing, especially if you've ever held for a PAT or a field goal kicker, so you're on your knee already, you're like, oh fuck, that's far away. like that are so yeah it's um it's one of i thought I thought they were both fine. Joseph did definitely kick it you know a little more center mass. if you want to know let but That's the funny part about Twitter. is
00:49:21
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oh well Carlson just barely made them in and and Joseph's kicking them right down the middle So that means Joseph's got to be the better kicker out of the two, right? Well, if that's the only thing you've got to complain about about the kickers yesterday Then I think we're kind of lucky right now. Yeah but i've been on a Campaign to get rid of fucking Carlson since the moment we drafted him and um I want to bring back Mason Crosby because I'm just that guy Okay, I'm just saying But at this point, I don't care what i want what Alex Hale does in the next species of game if he survives. Yeah. I'm surprised he didn't get any. Yeah. I swear because he just got him in. But even then, I was still had him out there. right And then Daniel Whelan is my dog. like I think we finally have our 15-year punter. he was He was nice. He got the job done. There's a reason why he's been ah uncontested in training camp. Because he is he's getting the job done. He's doing a damn good job with it, too. So I'm happy with the Irish hammer.
00:50:16
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Bernie, we'll give you the last word on the special teams and then we'll jump into our newest segment. up i You know, I'll just say that I want Peter Bowden to win the long snapping battle because he's a badger. you know and and i I'll give you this, Bernie. We haven't seen him screw up in a key spot yet, so okay he's got that going for him so far.
00:50:37
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and i And a disclaimer a disclaimer though, I did long snap in high school, so my my first varsity snaps were as a long snapper my junior year or so. I just got a sweet spot in my heart for long snappers. And then if you come out of the University of Wisconsin, I don't care what position you're going to play, I'm going to root for you to succeed at the next level.
00:50:58
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so Here's the Peter Bone. We've got a real mix here. We've got the Michigan guy and Mike. I'm an Iowa guy and now we got Bernie with the Badgers. So but I like it. with All the tile. All right. So I'm going to go ahead and take this since this was my idea and then we'll go with that. But I came up with this wild idea because I got tired of seeing some things on Twitter. So we're going to call this segment the ah Uh, we're, we're going to roast some bad takes on Twitter or from social media. So we're calling this the boom roasted segment, roasted. So, uh, I've got one, Mike, I don't know if you pulled one. Um, and we kind of got armor and burning on late. So they're just going to follow us and roast these takes with us. So, okay. Uh, Mike, uh, what was your bad take of of the week?
00:51:58
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okay so we kind of and of course i can't find the freaking tweet even though i do think i would be able to but stroop stroop had a dude on his show on his podcast on esp in Milwaukee who's basically saying um ah you only gave wix six snaps so just cut him and it's like okay like Even like and as much as Joe like had to qualify his point, his whole thing is like, are they trying to trade him? Or you know like like at least you were going somewhat productive with it, Joe. as It's like, he might not belong for the roster, but what avenue is it? This dude was just like, just cut him. You're not going to use him. Just cut him. And it's like, looking pretty stupid. Yeah, he only i get you he's sitting there going, he only got one snap. What the fuck are we doing? It's like, dude, did you see what that one snap was? So yeah.
00:52:43
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Like that's all I got to say about that is like I'm gonna say it and say it and say it the way that this offense works the way that with the roster construction is you've got you know we said it you got five to seven guys who could be anywhere from locks to almost certain things to make this roster from a receiver but from a wide receiver point of view LeFoure wants to play big personnel. That's why you've got Musgrave and Kraft. That's why they keep trying to hope that Tyler Davis is something and Ben Sims you know develops into like a um he kind of is able to do develop into mercedes a big dog, Mercedes Lewis type of blocker.
00:53:22
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but So you're only going to have two, maybe three receivers out there for the majority of the time. To get the most out of all those guys, you're just mixing and matching. So some games, you're going to play three minute your three snaps. And other games, it's like this guy, they don't have a guy who can guard Wix. So Wix is going to play almost every fucking offensive snap out there. ah The only guy that you you know,
00:53:47
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hypothetically you'd want out there for almost all the snaps is Watson because he's your deep guy, but even in that I put in the aggregate of you want one of Watson read or melting out there so you have your speed out on the field, and even then you try to get multiple of them so just going back to the original point, the whole Wix, what are they doing? They have no clue. And all of it because he only got six snaps in Family Night, which is a glorified practice that doubles as an outreach to the fan base kind of thing. It's like, just simmer down, dude. Like, take a chill pill. You know, go pop in at a bowl. Go pop a blunt or something like that. Just step back from the mic and take a chill. how does one pop a blunt i was just gonna say they do a different Hawaii now what's going on there this is coming from someone who's never smoked one in my life so that's just hey what hey hop on over here to Washington State it'll be a really short short um attitude so my senior year of high school we had
00:54:52
Speaker
I think it's called Jam Fest. So it's this um concert at the Waikiki Shell. It's all these um reggae and um you know reggae bands that all come to play. So my friend's like, ah, are you doing anything? I was like, nah. My buddy Brian Piotrowski, Packers fan too. So go meet him. We're walking across the the field at the Waikiki Shell. And I'm like, Brian, what is that smell? He just turns and looks at me like,
00:55:16
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Are you serious, Mike? I'm like, dude, I don't know what the fuck that is. And he just starts pointing at it. It's just like puff, puff, puff. I was like, oh. Go home. My dad's like, how was it? And I was like, oh, I found out what weed smells like. My dad just looks at me and is like, fucking sheltered ass child.
00:55:37
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My dad's like, I'm sorry, I I was just going to say, man, hey man look it's all good no don't do it if you ain't done it it's not your thing if it's your thing it's your thing right but now going back to what you said these guys get paid a lot of money to go on the radio and say stupid ass shit i mean that's what it comes down to i mean it is it is the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard anyone make commentary about a fucking about family night practice. That's all it is. We're talking about Aaron Iverson. We talk about practice, all right? And for them to come out and make commentary about someone getting traded because they only got so many snaps in practice is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Alex Stroff is good people. Like, I... Yeah, no. I like Alex Stroff a lot. That's some people getting on Stroff for it, but it's like, it wasn't Stroff to the point. It wasn't him. Yeah. If it was... He just happened to retweet it. That's his job. Yeah. And if it was Kyle Wallace or whoever else that's normally on the show with him,
00:56:31
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him and the other guy, Ben, ah Ben something, the one that showed up to training camp like last year with the Aaron Rodgers jersey for the Jets. These guys don't, like they don't deserve to like represent Green Bay in any way whatsoever, or at least Wisconsin sports, because it's like, they don't know what the hell they're talking about. And they literally are just saying things for engagement and clickbaiting.
00:56:52
Speaker
And if that's what you're doing, that's cool. Then do your thing. But just understand, you have no credibility whatsoever when it comes to i actually you knowing the sport. Because that is just dumb. You don't trade away a second year player because he's not getting snaps. No, you keep him. Because what if you can't sign Dolls? What if you can't sign Watson? What if you can't sign Reed? I'm just saying, like there's a reason why Gooty drafted the way that he did. Because he knows that.
00:57:19
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He needs go to get an influx of talent, and he doesn't know who he's going to be able to keep. He may be able to keep all of them. He may not be able to keep any of them. Who knows? But I definitely don't think that you trade away any of your talent, especially when they're on their rookie contracts. That's just dumb as hell to me. And the second year of it, there's just no way. Right.
00:57:35
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Yeah. sex But see, ah it's even worse because he was saying cut, not trade. Yeah. i that's right That's my point. is That's my point is, like I said, like Joe, we we talked about it in our show last week. And Joe was like, you know maybe there's something, you know maybe someone made a call and was like, hey, like what you know what would it take to get Wix off your guys roster kind of thing? And it's like, you know, and like Joe said, like that could play into the like, why isn't he getting a lot of snaps? you know Are they protecting him in case kind of thing and all that kind of stuff? But it's like,
00:58:05
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This dude just was like, just cut him. Just cut him loose. You're doing him a favor. And it's like, whoa. Only one they should be cutting is Samari Turre. That is the only person they should be cutting. Because he, I know that Bernie's man. and know i know cornhouses gone and I know. I I've let go. I have let go. I have let go of him. Good. Good. Because he's got to go a lot of balls, too. He was my guy last year. Dabooz will be my guy this year, you know? Yeah, so. Yeah. yeah All right. So for mine, um, I've got a clip and strangely enough, it comes from the same fucking people. So I'm going to play the clip and then we're going to go off on it real quick. oh Come on, man. He left practice of the bruise. Come on, man. Come on. I've got a bruise finger from playing soccer with Ben right now, but I Bro, I tore both my ACLs. Ain't talking about a bruise. Come on, dawg.
00:59:03
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ah bruce he not he was on the crowdly you hear did you hear it did' Did you hear him as well? He's like, you know, just praying or something serious. Listen, I saw a clip of him after that. Dude, shoulder pads off, helmet off. So I'm walking around the sideline, somewhat shoulder pads off. Man, listen, I'm not trying to be rude or disrespectful because I believe that Christian Watson has a lot of talent. is ah It seems like a very good kid.
00:59:32
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But ah Doug, this is why they say that basketball players and track runners shouldn't play football, right? Because these guys just ain't built for it. Christian Watson might be fast as hell, but also he just ain't built for getting hit. He's not, this is practice. He get hit in practice. This is a guy's name for shooting bullets at him. These are guys literally just, you know, not tensing up and trying to, you know, tag off or rapping. All right. The clip goes on longer, but we're going to cut this a little bit short because some of us got to go, but That's just a horrible take. I had to look it up because I had no idea who this guy is, but it's that Kyle ah Wallace. And that's ridiculous. First off, you don't know what the injury is until after the fact. You know, we didn't find out until after the fact that it was an actual bruise. You know, for all he was thinking, he got hit so hard that, you know, he cracked um a hip or he broke his leg or whatever.
01:00:26
Speaker
He didn't find out later and that until later it was a bruise. Second off, Amr said it in the middle of it. It was the end of practice. That's why he had his pads off. That's why they were doing this. That's why the practice was over. Third, he's yes, he's had his injury problems before. We all know the history of it. They hopefully got a plan and to get it worked out because they've started figuring out some of the things on it.
01:00:55
Speaker
It's not the same injury that he had dealt with before. He's had hamstring problems. This was a hit that he took from, I can't remember who the defensive back was. at williams again it was it yeah and you that didn't know if it was right And he said he didn't know if it was a helmet that hit him, if the knee came up and hit him, if the cleat came up and hit him.
01:01:19
Speaker
You don't know. To kind of go back to it, he had this motherfucker kept saying, oh, well, I got a bruise on my finger after and I continue playing or I tore both my ACLs. All right, motherfucker. When I was in high school, I tore my ACL in practice. Didn't know it was a torn ACL. I went through the whole fucking season without an ACL because I didn't know it was an ACL injury. It wasn't until after the fact, when I finally went to a doctor that we found out that it was an ACL, a complete ACL tear.
01:01:48
Speaker
It's the same thing here with Christian Watson. He didn't know until after the fact how bad it was. And it turned out it wasn't as bad as what it felt like. And that's the thing with the NFL players. These guys put their bodies on the line all the time. When they get hurt, they're trained to stay down and not try to do anything with it.
01:02:12
Speaker
in case it's worse than what it is. And you can make it worse by standing up 100%. Right. So kyle louis Kyle Wallace, I was gonna say Kyle Lewis, it's not Lewis, it's Wallace. i don't I know you don't listen to the show. I know you don't listen to the show. You're you're fucking ESP in Wisconsin, you're another one of those that thinks you're better than all the other small people, but shut the fuck up.
01:02:35
Speaker
Seriously. All that segment told me is, like, he has never been Charlie Horst bad once in his life. Never, ever. Another short anecdote. Like, you know, running down the street or some shit. Talking shit like that. Another short anecdote. So we used to have film session when I played in high school, and so it was during our two-a-day week, so we'd have the morning practice, they would film the practice, go in, do film and stuff. So I took a helmet in the asscheat. It was the most excruciating thing I had felt in a long time.
01:03:03
Speaker
And so and I thought no one knew because I kind of came up and I was just like telling my coaches like coach like I can't even walk right.
01:03:12
Speaker
and so We're in film session and the play is coming towards the camera. So play goes, play goes, play goes. I didn't know the running back got tackled behind me kind of thing. And so we're rolling through it, rolling through it. And then um they stop it. And so they're like, oh, we're going to go into the next play. And as the coach is like rolling it to go to the next play, he's like, oh, wait, hold on. What happened to Kawano over here? Mike?
01:03:34
Speaker
You shit yourself. I was like, no, it was a helmet. There's a helmet in my ass. He's like, dude, you just looked like you got off a motorcycle after a marathon, a cross country marathon. I was like, that's what it felt like. ah but And like back to. Okay, hang on just a minute. Bernie's got to take off. So.
01:03:53
Speaker
Bernie, thanks for stopping by. Appreciate it all. We'll make sure to drop all your socials and that at the end when we're all done. Absolutely. Thanks for having me on, guys. We got to have you come on coast to coast with accuracy soon. We got a great season coming up. And yeah, I'm going to let you know we got it, guys. We got a fun show coming up tomorrow. But I got to go feed the baby. It actually goes right into this. Perfect, yeah. All right. Peace, man. I'll see you, man. Later. Bye.
01:04:22
Speaker
But the point that Joe was kind of going to is like Watson. He's dealt with injuries his whole, you know but holy the two years he's been in the NFL. He spent all of last year getting shelled, dealt with hamstring issues all season. And yeah, it's like he spent all off scene trying to figure out what the hell his hamstring problems was, thinks he's like got it all figured out and under control. And shit, dude, if I got Charlie Horse so hard that I thought I broke my hip, I would be in tears on the ground too.
01:04:53
Speaker
And the thing I really, the Celtics fan in me is like, it's like Paul Pierce going off on the wheelchair in the OA finals. It's like, everyone gives him shit about it, but it's like the dude thought he blew his knee out in the and NBA finals and it's like crap. And it's like, you know, it's not exactly tick for tack, but I'm sure it was something similar for Watson where it's like, oh fuck, like now what?
01:05:15
Speaker
like what happened now kind of thing and then yeah like like Umar said like you said Joe like is the last it was literally the last play of practice and we've all done it where we've got to you know we walk down the hallway and we twist our ankle on like a dead spot floor and you're like oh shit oh shit and then you like walk it off by there like you kind of do that like okay good I'm not that hopelessly old and not an athletic at this point kind of thing and stuff but it's like yeah you're gonna be like you know like Christian at his locker like oh yeah good it was good it was just a bruise kind of thing and it's like you know they're like oh he's laughing about it's like fuck like that's nervous laughing so of course he's like happy that he was wrong about what it was and stuff well and then for them to sit there and bust his balls for oh well he said he was praying
01:05:59
Speaker
Again, he didn't know what was going yeah on at the time. Exactly. All he did was he felt pain. Yeah. And I just think like to see that video of Kyle Wallace like standing up and being so robust and energetic and so freaking like on a soapbox about Christian Watson. Christian Watson is a six foot four, six foot five, 215 wide receiver. He's built like a freaking shit brick house. He's diesel shit. He's not no soft ass dude.
01:06:28
Speaker
Alright every single injury that he has dealt with has been normally a lower extremity injury And he did have some issues going all those coming out of college. There's nothing new there. Okay? Um, it's funny. We were having his dad on our show tomorrow So I know that Jack is going to have an amazing time with that clip, right? Because his parents family does not waste any time to defend their boy. We'll make sure we clip this for you so you can play it for him. Please. That's amazing. I just, I always say like, I would love to have family to bat for me like they do for him. It's amazing.
01:07:00
Speaker
And it's true though, at the end of the day, you're talking about you have two torn ACLs. First off, you were an NFL football player. So I don't know what you did or what you didn't do, but don't ever compare yourself to a guy that made it to the NFL and who's literally probably the number one receiver in Green Bay right now. You're not on that level. So that's the first thing we're going to say. Second thing is that we all said it was at the end of practice. That's the reason why everything came off.
01:07:23
Speaker
And truth be told, nobody knows what the hell happened until they knew what happened. If it was a serious injury, his ass would have not had an interview. They wouldn't have interviewed him. They wouldn't have been allowed to interview if he had a bad injury. that's That's the truth of the matter. And I just think that Watson does have a bad rap of being injury prone. and The truth is, is like there's NFL players that have, Aaron Rodgers ended the first three seasons of his career on injury reserve.
01:07:46
Speaker
So let's, let's not, let's, let's not like, you know, come here. And then in the first few years of his starting, he ended up on the injured list for a while. Yes, exactly. He had the shoulder injury. He had the knee injury. He had a torn cushion. I mean, come on, man. what What are we doing here? Like, I'm just saying like, that is not a, that's not a precursor to say someone's going to be a certain kind of player and to make these kinds of commentary things about it.
01:08:11
Speaker
because the truth is Chris Watson is a beast. And here we go, we're talking about practice. Even in his interview, he said that if he had to play the next day, he would have probably played. And it's right like I just think that it's always funny, these guys that sit in radio booths, like people like Chewie, like Marc Chamorro.
01:08:27
Speaker
He said some crazy shit, but at the end of the day, though, he played the game. He played the game. I was just in the logger said something to belong to. And I didn't get it either. He kind of like he made a comment where his actually Watson's brother called him out. And he was like, dude, like you broke a rule, an unwritten rule that you don't call out players when they when these situations, especially when you've played before, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like that.
01:08:54
Speaker
Completeness and then I think balar should be careful too. I mean blog was a beast. Don't get my he's one of my favorite tackles ever But on the same end too though. He had an injury He had a little bit of an injury issue to his whole career It was a the only thing that i'm seeing that he said and I could be completely wrong is just quote I'm a little nervous for his mindset going into the season when you play cautious you end up getting hurt Unquote, so I mean he's just more saying, you know You can't go in being cautious about, oh, well, if I do this, I'm going to get hurt. If I do that, I'm going to get hurt. When you do that, you tend to get hurt. And the thing in Watson's defense is we've... say we can we can never right yeah we You You can argue that he would he needs to play to his height and all that kind of shit on jump balls, but we've never seen the guy let up on a play and kind of alligator arm something.
01:09:41
Speaker
So right i'm not that's the part of it that like, yeah, you know, and I know that's something that Trey got into it with a lot of people on last year. yeah But until he starts to like, yeah, just start making business decisions kind of thing, I don't really care. Like, you know, it's the it's the wish I would, wish I won't kind of stuff that, you know, of course, I wish you could be Superman on every play. But I've never seen him hot dog a play and like just miss it kind of thing because it's like, oh yeah, he looks scared to be out there kind of thing. Exactly. Exactly. And that's why I said, you know, and I don't even know what this Kyle, Kyle Wallace does. Is he just, uh, I don't know, man, look him up real quick. du like i don't need What did he do? Is he just a broadcaster or did he actually play sports or something like that? Because the way it sounds, he sounds like a guy that
01:10:31
Speaker
maybe played a little bit in high school or something, and it's trying to compare Apple to oranges with NFL play and high school play.
01:10:42
Speaker
I don't know. I really don't. I don't know anything about them. I agree with somebody else. I talked to the 12 50 is really went downhill or not 12 50 ESPN. Milwaukee has went really downhill after 12 50 went out and now they're just, they're, they're trying to be a skip Bayless or calling cow herd or you know, one of those guys that just want to shoot out hot takes because it's going to give them clicks and views. Cause I mean, look, we just spent almost 20 minutes talking about this fucking clip.
01:11:12
Speaker
yeah and ah he's also the so I don't I don't think he's actually I don't he's just been like a substitute teacher and stuff like that he I don't see it right that you played anything um and so then he might have played in high school yeah but yeah but he he he's just you know he's just let's see car walls football it's okay just real quick uh car walls defensive back no different guy yeah so all I know is that he he really ain't got much standing to talk on he's also the same guy that was accused in drawing love of being selfish so Again, he is a person of color who has an opportunity to be supportive of other players of persons of color. He decides to take the route to be pandering to maybe his crowd. I don't know. I just know that he decides to go and sell out when he makes these kind of comments. These are sellout comments.
01:11:58
Speaker
and mean it like ba And that's all it is. all He knows words you're trying to get views. You're trying to get people to call him. that Yeah. Watson is trash. He's injury prone. He's this, right? Oh yeah. Jordan Love is selfish. He shouldn't ask for more money. He should ask for less money, blah, blah, blah. Like, bro.
01:12:12
Speaker
like stand on your business and be represent instead of like doing things that your producers are, and he's also a director of content for the show. So again, you know what it's all about. That's it. I just learned everything I needed to know. That's all it is. He's doing this just for the hot takes. So again, I'm going to say this right to the camera. Kyle Wallace, I don't care. I've never met you before. I don't know you. I just learned about you after this clip. Shut the hell up.
01:12:43
Speaker
Yeah. but Unless you're going to, unless you're going to strap on the pads, unless you're going to go out there and feel what it's like to get hit by NFL caliber players. Shut up. Exactly. Completely. agree but And the only other thing I got to say about it is roasted.
01:13:05
Speaker
But for everybody, you know, all the listeners and that, that's going to be our new segment. We are going to be just picking, you know, hot takes. So if you guys got requests, you've got some hot takes that you've seen out there that you want us to take apart. Hell, if it was something me or Mike said, let us know. We'll fucking take it apart. I'd take it apart all the time. I don't even remember what I said yesterday, let alone what you're going to tell me. like but so you know em's gonna have to keep the receipts for us yes yes no i got i got you why
01:13:40
Speaker
All right, guys, do we got anything else we got to talk about, or do we think we've pretty much said everything we need to say? No, I think that's it. Like I said, it's hard to get, you know, you try to get not too excited about the first week of preseason, but, yeah, the juices are flowing because football is finally back. We get to watch our team again. And they played So, well. you Like, that thing know, is like, like I said, there weren't too we're many gonna things to have to keep the receipts complain about for us. from Saturday's game. So not much to, you know, not much to brew over, you know, is a pretty,
Preseason Excitement and Future Aspirations
01:14:08
Speaker
pretty um enjoyable watching experience and just hopefully more things to come and we just see the team trending up as the rest of preseason goes. So I would just take the time to thank Umar, thank Bernie, thanks for coming on you guys. We really like the work you guys are doing with Coast to Coast Packers. We hope to have you guys back on at some point and yeah.
01:14:27
Speaker
We'll keep it going between between our two groups. ah Before you jump, Palmer, you want to go ahead and tell everybody where you think, obviously they know where to find you most of the time, but you want to drop your handles and all that stuff? Yeah, of course. I was going to say, um of all Mike, Iowa, man, thank you guys so much for having us on the show. I know this has been a long time coming. We're definitely going to have you guys on here soon. um And yeah, you can find us on Game on Wisconsin on the YouTube, Apple, Spotify.
01:14:51
Speaker
um our show is called Coast to coast Packers. um You can find me at ah on Twitter at AMAR3455. But yeah, if you guys, um hey man, this is awesome. And yeah, I can't wait to see you guys again. I'm ready for any shows you guys have lined up. And like what's for us too, man, we gotta definitely collapse more. This is gonna be awesome, man.
01:15:11
Speaker
just to say is that preseason game yesterday was I think a precursor for things to come and I'm really I'm really looking forward to seeing where this team goes from here because I feel like we got a true taste of it last year at the end of the year and at these guys limit I think that you know this is our division for the taking and I'm hype man I just you know what I just I just want to, I just want to prove all the naysayers wrong. That's it. I just want to be able to just to just take a shit on all of them. Sorry. I just, it's maybe super bowl, baby. Super bowl. Yeah. Super bowl, baby. Super bowl bus. That's what we're about, man. Hey, we tiled town for a reason, right? So and we don't, we don't, we don't hang banners for division championships and shit like that. We hang banners with Super Bowls now, you know, a long time coming now. We need one.
01:15:56
Speaker
Well, Mike, carry us out of here. Do the spiel. Amr, it was great having you on. If you've got to jump, go ahead and jump. We're going to finish out our spiel here. I'm sorry. My bad. Say it again. Oh, no, no, no. I'm just saying that if you've got to go ahead. Yeah. All right, guys. Take care. Take care. See you.
01:16:17
Speaker
So yep, one more time. We're going to thank Edward, thank Bernie for being on with us today as we recapped game one of the 2024 preseason.
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01:16:25
Speaker
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01:16:42
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