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John Wick Chapter 3: Parabellum
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After gunning down a member of the High Table -- the shadowy international assassin's guild -- legendary hit man John Wick finds himself stripped of the organization's protective services. Now stuck with a $14 million bounty on his head, Wick must fight his way through the streets of New York as he becomes the target of the world's most ruthless killers.
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Introduction to John Wick 3 Discussion
00:00:11
Speaker
What's going on, everybody?
00:00:12
Speaker
Welcome back to Matt Goes to the Movies, and we are talking about John Wick, Chapter 3, Parabellum.
00:00:20
Speaker
It's rare that a third movie of a trilogy is better than the previous ones.
00:00:28
Speaker
Did that happen with John Wick, Chapter 3?
00:00:32
Speaker
It certainly did better at the box office.
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Speaker
It was the highest grossing movie of the three so far by considerably a lot.
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$327 million at the box office.
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Speaker
really, you know, favorable reviews.
Comparison with Previous John Wick Movies
00:00:49
Speaker
And Rob and I were extremely complimentary of the first two movies, giving both of those a five on the popcorn time rating scale.
00:00:58
Speaker
Did this do it?
00:00:59
Speaker
Because we're certainly not used to seeing that the third movie, you know, continuing the trend of being the best.
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Speaker
The most recent one that we talked about was the Jason Bourne series, where if you take out the,
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Speaker
the Bourne Legacy movie and just take the Jason Bourne ones of the trilogy.
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Speaker
There's not a lot that happens.
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Speaker
So, Rob, we'll get into all that.
00:01:24
Speaker
But yeah, John Wick.
00:01:27
Speaker
It took what?
00:01:28
Speaker
The first movie came out in 2014.
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Speaker
Was it 14?
00:01:34
Speaker
The first movie came out for John Wick.
00:01:37
Speaker
That sounds about right.
00:01:38
Speaker
Yeah, 2014.
00:01:40
Speaker
It took you all of this time to never see any of them.
00:01:44
Speaker
But now you're but now in the span of two weeks, you're caught up.
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Speaker
I'm completely caught up.
00:01:50
Speaker
Uh, again, I'm so like kind of disappointed at myself that I, I waited to watch these.
00:01:56
Speaker
And if you're listening right now and you either haven't seen it and have just been following along or any of these films, or you haven't seen it in a while, they're literally on Tubi, whatever device you were listening to this episode on, you can download Tubi as an app and watch these movies for free.
00:02:12
Speaker
You should do that because they're just, they're good.
Seamless Transition and Action Sequences
00:02:15
Speaker
They're all so much fun.
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Speaker
and do some really unique things within the action movie genre.
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Speaker
Yeah.
00:02:24
Speaker
We talked about that, how I was, we were really surprised when we looked this up, like, Oh, you can either run it or to be.
00:02:31
Speaker
Cause the funny thing is, is we joked a lot of times how being on to be is not the best indication for the quality of movie that you are.
00:02:41
Speaker
And then you have these three movies sitting on there and it's like, Oh, um,
00:02:45
Speaker
might need to rethink that strategy but you know we mentioned the born series and similar to the born series you know these three movies they really are like a consecutive effort with how the movies flow there there's not a lot of time that passes in between them um rightfully so from the second to the third one this literally picks up the same scene as the second movie you know ends with
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the, um, excommunicado being placed on John wick.
00:03:18
Speaker
So, you know, Rob, were you expecting that?
00:03:22
Speaker
Or did you expect maybe a little time to go by?
00:03:24
Speaker
Like, what were your thoughts on the opening of this film?
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Speaker
I liked that.
00:03:30
Speaker
Um, it just picks right up, um, because it feels like a whole lot of stuff is about to go down, uh, at the end of the second.
00:03:39
Speaker
And it really builds to a great crescendo and a great ending.
00:03:42
Speaker
Um,
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Speaker
And I kind of liked it.
00:03:46
Speaker
It just picks right up, especially if you're a fan of this series.
00:03:49
Speaker
It's it's a natural progression.
00:03:51
Speaker
It's not like, OK, you know, John probably kicked a couple of guys asses and found a, you know, a safe house or something like that or a stash that he had somewhere in case he ever needed it and was in some real trouble, you know, and just kind of hid there for a while.
00:04:05
Speaker
No, it just picks right up.
00:04:07
Speaker
And instead of just all of the action happening off screen, you just see him, you know,
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Speaker
just completely murking people with a library book.
00:04:15
Speaker
I mean, he, he beat somebody up with a library book and it's fantastic.
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Speaker
And there's, you know, we've continued to praise this movie for its creativity, particularly in its action scenes, but he uses a library book to break the guy's jaw.
00:04:33
Speaker
There's some other things in that opening scene that I really love.
00:04:35
Speaker
You know, he's, he's fighting a much, much larger opponent,
00:04:38
Speaker
And there's some really cool small joint manipulation stuff that he does that is a way to make it believable that even a total badass like John Wick is still going to run into something where he's
Fight Choreography and Halle Berry's Performance
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outmatched.
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Speaker
And how does he get through that?
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Speaker
How does he do that?
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Speaker
Yeah.
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Speaker
I really like the answers that the fight choreographer came up with to how he gets out of that situation and makes it work and makes it believable.
00:05:05
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Love it.
00:05:06
Speaker
Yeah, that's, you know, we mentioned that again, you know, some of this stuff is, I don't want to use the word repetitive, but, you know, there's a lot of the things that carry from movie to movie that we praise.
00:05:19
Speaker
And one of them is, you know, the believability of,
00:05:23
Speaker
that John is able to do these things, like how he's able to fight multiple people, how he's able to fight somebody bigger than him.
00:05:32
Speaker
You know, the way that these fights are filmed, number one is still incredibly well done.
00:05:38
Speaker
The fights in this movie, you know, you sit there and think about from one to three now.
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Speaker
And again, I kind of find myself in awe of, okay, how do you figure like,
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Speaker
how do you keep coming up with more and more creative ways to make these fights interesting?
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Speaker
And they continue to do it.
00:05:58
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And one of the people, and we don't have to completely get into this because there's so much that happens before.
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One of the new faces of this movie and of this series is Halle Berry.
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Speaker
And they introduced some really cool stuff with the fights that she's involved in.
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Speaker
And, um,
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I was incredibly impressed because you sit there and think of Halle Berry and like, you know, obviously everybody's seen her with Catwoman.
00:06:28
Speaker
She's in the she's in this movie Moonfall, which is an absolute train wreck.
00:06:33
Speaker
It's a movie that I gave like a half star to on my Letterboxd account.
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Speaker
And she's terrible in it.
00:06:39
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But then you see her in this and Rob, we can like I said, we can get into it more in detail as she comes into the picture.
00:06:46
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But I was incredibly impressed with her.
00:06:48
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I thought she was like you forget sometimes based on some of the things that you've seen with her.
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Speaker
I sometimes forget, like with the right script, she's incredibly talented.
00:07:02
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't even recognize her right away for some reason.
00:07:06
Speaker
And I don't know why it didn't occur to me right away who that was.
00:07:09
Speaker
But maybe it's just because I've seen other than X-Men, there's been so many movies she's been in that have been so bad.
00:07:16
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I think that might have been part of it.
00:07:17
Speaker
But yeah, there's definitely a lot to talk about with the action scenes that she's involved in.
00:07:22
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Yeah.
00:07:23
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And I mean, I'll give credit to her because there's the training videos for this movie, just like the first ones, they show her.
00:07:32
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training her ass off to to do some of these scenes so and just really impressed with what they do but you know yeah this movie starts off just right off the bat and i love this little line where um winston and shoot i am forgetting his name the concierge of the continental um
00:07:56
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Charon or Charon or Charon.
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I'm not positive how it's pronounced because I'm not sure he's ever actually addressed by his name.
00:08:03
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I love how he's like, I do hope Mr. Wick, you know, can be safe or something like that.
00:08:09
Speaker
And he's like, well, you know, 14 million Winston's like $14 million bounty.
00:08:14
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Every contract killer in this area wants a piece of them.
00:08:17
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I'd say it's about 50-50.
00:08:19
Speaker
Like, I just, again, like, just the notion that
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he thinks it's a fair fight that every contract killer in the city wants to go after John now for 14 million.
00:08:32
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He's like, yeah, well, finally, maybe somebody might kill him.
00:08:35
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Like it's a coin toss, whether or not John makes it, which you should be like, no, John's dead.
00:08:41
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Like, you know, this guy's dead, but the fact that they continue just to, to show how much,
00:08:49
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Of a badass John Wick is.
00:08:52
Speaker
It still just makes me laugh.
00:08:53
Speaker
And boy like you said.
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Speaker
The fights in this movie.
00:08:57
Speaker
I just don't understand.
00:08:59
Speaker
Like he kills people on a horse.
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Speaker
He kills people with a book.
00:09:04
Speaker
He.
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It's just.
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It's unbelievable.
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Speaker
The action in this movie.
00:09:11
Speaker
So one of the things that really stood out to me from this film, and it's very true of the previous two as well, the storytelling that continues throughout the fight scenes.
00:09:25
Speaker
This is not a movie that tells the story, stops, has a fight scene, has an action scene, and then goes back to telling the story.
00:09:33
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the, the storytelling continues and, and there's, there's a couple of moments where there's weapons at play or just pieces of the environment that'll give the combatants an advantage over one another.
00:09:44
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And, and that's still told, like you can still clearly see the actors are still communicating what their characters are hoping to do.
00:09:52
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And, and there's, you can still see that struggle with the cinematography and the way everything's set up.
00:09:57
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It's really, really well done.
Storytelling Within Action Scenes
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Speaker
There's some problems I have with some things towards the end with some of the action scenes, but overall just this film and this series really does a fantastic job with, with the action scenes really advancing and continuing to build things about the character, continue to tell you things about the character without having to do it through exposition or just, you know, okay, it's, it's, you know, it's been 20 minutes guys with something's got to blow up or somebody has got to get punched in the face.
00:10:28
Speaker
You know, it's,
00:10:29
Speaker
It's natural.
00:10:30
Speaker
It feels like everything fits.
00:10:32
Speaker
Yeah, it definitely does.
00:10:35
Speaker
And I do think in this movie, too, similar to something that we talked about, you know, in the second movie, it goes deeper down the rabbit hole of what like how this world actually works.
00:10:47
Speaker
And there's so many ins and outs.
00:10:51
Speaker
Most of it I like.
00:10:53
Speaker
If there's one thing about this movie that I will say is
00:10:58
Speaker
I did feel like the scene where he goes to the desert, it felt almost unnecessary the way that this movie ends.
00:11:10
Speaker
It felt like that almost was a padded scene for runtime, which I never felt in the first or second movie.
00:11:19
Speaker
So, Rob, I'm going to ask you about that.
00:11:22
Speaker
Just, you know, based on where this movie ends up,
00:11:25
Speaker
And to me, that scene did not make a lot of sense.
00:11:28
Speaker
Even when I watched it again, I still feel like that was kind of unnecessary.
00:11:36
Speaker
Yeah, there's there's a lot of things you could have done to.
00:11:40
Speaker
And I don't know if the plan was always to make that elder character work.
Critique of the Desert Scene
00:11:45
Speaker
you know, maybe he factors into a fourth film deeper and maybe that's to set something up later.
00:11:51
Speaker
But I don't know, to make him just kind of wander through the desert and then eventually someone will come find you.
00:11:57
Speaker
I don't know, that seemed a little...
00:11:59
Speaker
It seemed a little mystical for this world when so many other things are grounded in reality.
00:12:05
Speaker
So I kind of rejected that a little bit.
00:12:09
Speaker
I could have done without him chiseling his finger off.
00:12:11
Speaker
Like, you know, it's an obvious like Assassin's Creed sort of call out.
00:12:16
Speaker
And they even have like earlier, you know, they're talking about where the word assassin comes from, you know, the different orders and things like that.
00:12:22
Speaker
And that's even explored in some of the early Assassin's Creed games.
00:12:26
Speaker
So that to me felt a little like, ah, I don't really need that.
00:12:30
Speaker
there's a lot of that you could have cut out, uh, I think in, out of the screenplay or, or reworked to have it be a little more effective than what it was.
00:12:37
Speaker
Yeah.
00:12:37
Speaker
I, I, I think so too, because again, you know, the way that it goes down is like, he does that to try and get out of this by kill, you know, and the,
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Speaker
The exchange is, okay, we will forgive your transgressions.
00:12:53
Speaker
You need to kill Winston, which doesn't happen.
00:12:55
Speaker
It did feel like you could have done something else to get to that point.
00:13:03
Speaker
But yeah, that was just weird because I never felt like the movies in one and two ever kind of veered off the path where I was like, yes, this is just all natural progression.
00:13:15
Speaker
I will say that was one thing that was...
00:13:19
Speaker
kind of glaring to me just because I wasn't used to it with this series uh in no way shape or form you know does that make this a bad movie to me it was just to me a little odd because for two whole movies I was not used to seeing something like this in a world that seemed so unbelievable yet the way they present it is completely believable yeah I think that's a really great way of putting it um
00:13:47
Speaker
It just felt a little out of place.
00:13:49
Speaker
Right.
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Speaker
Yeah.
00:13:50
Speaker
And now, like I said,
World-Building and Character Depth
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Speaker
maybe maybe it's a setup for the fourth movie.
00:13:55
Speaker
But like we've talked about so many times on so many other episodes that involve either a sequel or a planned sequel that either does or doesn't materialize.
00:14:05
Speaker
Focus on making a good movie first.
00:14:07
Speaker
Do that.
00:14:08
Speaker
And then if you want a sequel, if the fans support your film enough to deserve a sequel, then go ahead and do that.
00:14:15
Speaker
If you want to plant breadcrumbs, fine, but make everything in your film make sense within the confines of your film that I'm sitting here watching.
00:14:23
Speaker
Right.
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Yeah.
00:14:24
Speaker
I think that's, you know, again, a good way to put that, but.
00:14:29
Speaker
You know, we're going to backtrack because as John is going through and trying to figure out how he's going to survive, you know, you get introduced to, you know, the training program, which I thought was really cool.
00:14:46
Speaker
It was very, and with COVID and everything like that, you know, which came actually first.
00:14:54
Speaker
Did you get a real Black Widow vibe from that ballerina?
00:15:01
Speaker
Very much so.
00:15:04
Speaker
It definitely called some of those things out for me.
00:15:08
Speaker
I just think it shows you that in the West, we just don't really trust a lot of things.
00:15:11
Speaker
We just assume they're all assassins and killers and there's something going on there.
00:15:15
Speaker
Like it just, you know, it's just,
00:15:17
Speaker
That's kind of one of our go-to boogeymen is something Russian, even though the Cold War is over.
00:15:21
Speaker
I mean, is it really?
00:15:22
Speaker
You know, it kind of seems like things are kicking back off again.
00:15:25
Speaker
I don't know.
00:15:26
Speaker
Yeah, there was definitely some things to that.
00:15:30
Speaker
I did love that we see the room where they're training and we see a bunch of guys doing it.
00:15:35
Speaker
It's a
00:15:36
Speaker
It's a combat style known as combat sambo.
00:15:40
Speaker
And it made so much sense.
00:15:42
Speaker
I was like, oh, no kidding.
00:15:44
Speaker
Yes, obviously, that's what his background is.
00:15:47
Speaker
There's been so much judo-based attacks and joint locks and things like that and everything that he does and everything's tight.
00:15:54
Speaker
um, combat sambos, it's kind of like mixed martial arts, but with more of a judo feel to it, I guess is how I would describe it for, for people who aren't really familiar with it.
00:16:04
Speaker
It's, it's very, uh, it's very Russian based, you know, they, they love this stuff over there.
00:16:10
Speaker
Um, there's a lot of guys that, um, start in combat sambo and end up competing in mixed martial arts, you know, in, in different promotions around the world.
00:16:18
Speaker
It's, it's a great base to come from, um, you know, they do wear a lot of the geese and things like that.
00:16:22
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So, um,
00:16:23
Speaker
Yeah, I was like, oh, yeah, that absolutely makes sense.
00:16:26
Speaker
That's completely the style of fighting they've been using with him, you know, as a primary base for his attack methods throughout most of the movie.
00:16:33
Speaker
So I just love seeing.
00:16:34
Speaker
Yeah, again, I just I love the.
00:16:38
Speaker
The realism of how they're like, again, like how these people are trained and why they're able to do the things that they're able to do.
00:16:46
Speaker
I like the fact that it comes from a very, very real place.
00:16:50
Speaker
You know, it's not just.
00:16:53
Speaker
you know, a lot of the times, you know, Oh no, everybody knows karate or everybody can throw a roundhouse kick or, you know, with like these cheesy movies, like actually showing like what they have to go through and everything like that.
00:17:07
Speaker
I really enjoyed that aspect of it.
00:17:10
Speaker
And, you know, that brings us to, as all of that's going on, that brings us to where John meets Sophia, who's played by Halle Berry.
00:17:18
Speaker
Um, um,
00:17:19
Speaker
And man, just, you know, I don't know what this series has because I can't stand that scene.
00:17:27
Speaker
But she is very fond.
00:17:30
Speaker
Her character, Sophia, is very fond of her dogs.
00:17:34
Speaker
I don't know what this movie has against dogs, but, you know, or this series in general.
00:17:40
Speaker
Yeah.
00:17:42
Speaker
But man, the way that she uses those dogs in conjunction when they're fighting, I love that scene.
00:17:48
Speaker
Up until the point where one of them gets shot.
00:17:50
Speaker
Because I just hate seeing it.
00:17:52
Speaker
I hate seeing that.
00:17:55
Speaker
But man, like the dogs just attacking.
00:17:58
Speaker
Like they bite one guy in the balls.
00:18:00
Speaker
Boom.
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Speaker
Dead.
00:18:01
Speaker
Headshot.
00:18:02
Speaker
Like the way that the dogs were incorporated into that fight scene.
00:18:06
Speaker
And again, I was just so impressed because you could tell that that was her.
00:18:12
Speaker
doing the work and we've praised that before this movie is the actual star being on screen keeping you in the moment of what's happening and with her it was the same thing and watching john fight with somebody you know it's not like they were in conjunction the whole time because they were both taking out different people
00:18:34
Speaker
But seeing him fight with another person, you know, aiding him was so cool.
00:18:39
Speaker
Like, I can't praise that scene enough because it was so creative, I thought.
00:18:47
Speaker
Yeah, it's, you know, we've talked about some of the gun food that we've seen throughout this series.
00:18:52
Speaker
And if you like gun food, go watch Equilibrium.
00:18:54
Speaker
That's a fantastic movie.
00:18:56
Speaker
I can't praise that movie highly enough either for its creativity and action scenes.
00:18:59
Speaker
But, you know, thinking about how Sophia uses her dogs, it's almost like
00:19:06
Speaker
She's got, you know, dog food is really kind of what she's got because they respond.
00:19:12
Speaker
And it's almost like this is rehearsed, like like she's performing dog kata, you know, where they attack.
00:19:19
Speaker
She shoots.
00:19:20
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And what was really what really stood out to me about that particular sequence, you know, it's really tough sometimes in movies to make women combatants feel powerful.
00:19:32
Speaker
it's hard to make them feel like they are like, it's, it's realistic that they would be beating all of these men.
00:19:39
Speaker
And, and obviously when you add guns, like that's a complete equalizer, cause that doesn't require any strength or size advantages, but there's plenty of like nitty gritty stuff.
00:19:48
Speaker
And a lot of like Marvel's really awful about this, where they use that same like leg wrap around the neck whip move that black widow does 75 times in every movie.
00:19:58
Speaker
Like,
00:19:59
Speaker
And now a bunch of other movies are stealing that.
00:20:01
Speaker
And it's the only way that they can make a woman actually take a bigger, stronger man down.
00:20:05
Speaker
And I wish they would come up with something else besides that same thing we've seen a million times.
00:20:10
Speaker
But I felt this whole time that Sophia was powerful enough and smart enough and good enough with her technique that
00:20:19
Speaker
That everything felt believable.
00:20:20
Speaker
It didn't feel like they ever had to cheat or use movie tricks to make a woman a small.
00:20:27
Speaker
I mean, Halle Berry is not a very large woman at all.
00:20:29
Speaker
She's very petite.
00:20:31
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And they made her feel powerful.
00:20:32
Speaker
They made her feel like, you know, it was totally conceivable that this.
00:20:36
Speaker
Yeah, no.
00:20:37
Speaker
And that's again, that is what I just mentioned this.
00:20:42
Speaker
That is one of those things that I just continually praise about all three of these movies is the situation being believable so that every single time something happens, all you're focusing on is the creativity.
00:20:57
Speaker
You're not sitting there stopping and going, well, that would never happen.
00:21:01
Speaker
Like if you like as we're talking about this movie and we're looking back, we're not sitting there going, well,
00:21:08
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, the scene's cool, but when you stop and break it down, it's so unbelievable that this would happen that, eh, you know, yeah, there's only so much eye candy can do, so to speak.
00:21:20
Speaker
No, they just continually find ways to make you believe that the action is obtainable, so to speak.
00:21:28
Speaker
And I think that's why these movies, you know, we talked about it, not only the story, but these action movies aren't just
00:21:38
Speaker
what people typically refer to as action movies, because you are, you're so impressed with the realism that's happening here.
00:21:48
Speaker
At least for me, that's part of the reason why I think I'm so like enamored with these.
00:21:54
Speaker
Yeah, there's there's some stuff that does fall off a little bit towards the end of this.
00:21:58
Speaker
But up to this point of the series, everything feels grounded.
00:22:02
Speaker
Everything feels realistic.
00:22:05
Speaker
You know, there's there's not an over reliance on green screen or CG effects to this point.
00:22:12
Speaker
So you really feel like it's just possible.
00:22:15
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:16
Speaker
You know, and one thing, too, that happens in this movie is I like, again, that even.
00:22:23
Speaker
as people are coming after him and the assassin that they hire called zero.
00:22:30
Speaker
Um, I, I just, for whatever reason, really liked the fact that they still find ways to have people that even though they're going after him, you know, show John respect.
00:22:43
Speaker
I think that's another thing that this movie does really well.
00:22:47
Speaker
Um, without ever feeling like forced or,
00:22:54
Speaker
I don't know what other word I want to use to describe it, but it just feels natural that, you know, these people going after him still have a respect for him.
00:23:02
Speaker
We saw that in the last movie and, you know, we saw it in this movie.
00:23:06
Speaker
And again, I just I appreciate the fact that it feels believable.
00:23:12
Speaker
Yeah, there's a moment where he's back at the concierge later in the film where Zero kind of fanboys out a little bit.
00:23:18
Speaker
It's kind of funny.
00:23:20
Speaker
And there's some uncomfortableness at the start of that scene where Zero sits literally right next to him.
00:23:25
Speaker
And I think that's great.
00:23:27
Speaker
But immediately after that,
00:23:30
Speaker
We get a line that I never need to hear in a movie ever, ever, ever again, ever, ever, ever.
00:23:37
Speaker
Just in the same way that I never need to see Thomas and Martha Wayne and Martha's pearls falling off of her neck that I never need to see that in a movie ever again.
00:23:47
Speaker
I never need to hear the line.
00:23:49
Speaker
We're the same.
00:23:49
Speaker
You and I,
00:23:51
Speaker
I never need to hear it.
00:23:52
Speaker
I'm done hearing it.
00:23:53
Speaker
It's stupid.
00:23:54
Speaker
It's among the worst tropes in screenwriting because it's immediately followed with no, we're not.
00:24:01
Speaker
And then there's a conversation around it.
00:24:03
Speaker
And then later in the movie, it's somebody proves that I'm nothing like you.
00:24:06
Speaker
Like, I hate it.
00:24:07
Speaker
I hate it.
00:24:08
Speaker
And it pissed me off because I was enjoying the movie up to that point.
00:24:12
Speaker
Yeah, that and, you know, because it's always, you know, it's always followed by like,
00:24:19
Speaker
I'm nothing like you and everything like that.
00:24:21
Speaker
Like, yeah, every time you see that in a movie, it's just kind of like, why do we continue to use that?
00:24:29
Speaker
Um, so yeah, no, I, I totally agree with that.
00:24:33
Speaker
So I'm going to skip the desert scene just because again, I feel like it's completely unnecessary, but you know, is there anything that you want to talk about with that?
00:24:47
Speaker
Um,
00:24:47
Speaker
before like i kind of bring up the next point that i that i wanted to talk about because i i know i don't have anything else to say about it but certainly you know i'm not the only voice uh no no i i think there's so much uh fun there and and really cool world building um yeah i'm uh i'm ready to move on um you know the
00:25:13
Speaker
As this movie goes along, you know, John severs his finger, returns to New York.
00:25:19
Speaker
And this is where, you know, you get your full-blown final, you know, action scene.
00:25:28
Speaker
He's going to team up with Winston because he's refusing to kill him.
00:25:34
Speaker
Boy, I mean, again, finding a way to, like, top yourself.
00:25:40
Speaker
These guys in, you know, the...
00:25:43
Speaker
basically the army, God's sakes, that comes in the Continental to try and kill John.
00:25:50
Speaker
Boy, this is another one where just the guns and everything in between.
00:25:58
Speaker
I feel like this part of it is still really good.
00:26:00
Speaker
Before we get to kind of the ending where, I don't know if that's the exact part you're talking about, where I think a little bit falls off.
00:26:10
Speaker
boy, him going and getting the guns and like coming back.
00:26:14
Speaker
I thought this part was just so well done.
00:26:17
Speaker
I was such a huge fan of this part.
00:26:21
Speaker
I liked the, the gearing up phase, you know, or my, or my privileges restored.
00:26:25
Speaker
I thought that bit was kind of cool.
00:26:27
Speaker
You know, there's still kind of, they're still sticking to the pleasantries of, of their profession.
00:26:34
Speaker
I suppose.
00:26:35
Speaker
I just, I like that about this.
00:26:36
Speaker
But,
00:26:38
Speaker
But yeah, the gearing up is good, you know, mentioning, hey, they've got some armor and things like that.
00:26:43
Speaker
I will say the lobby fight I don't find is as well done as other gunfights that we've seen.
00:26:50
Speaker
I think there's a little bit of a stretch of credulity that he'd actually make it out of all of that alive.
00:26:56
Speaker
I'm not saying it's bad, per se.
00:26:59
Speaker
We've seen far worse.
00:27:01
Speaker
But when the standard of this series is set as high as it is, this scene to me doesn't hold up to the standard the same way.
00:27:09
Speaker
There's there's just some some little things here and there where guys do kind of start to wait to get shot a little bit.
00:27:16
Speaker
You know, they stay down just long enough for John to dispatch somebody else before they start to get up.
00:27:21
Speaker
And now it's their turn to get hit in the back of the neck.
00:27:24
Speaker
Now, that being said,
00:27:26
Speaker
I do want to really call something out that I think was incredibly well done.
00:27:29
Speaker
And I don't know that everybody watching this would necessarily catch it every time there as, as they're going through, certainly there's times where the guys take, you know, you know, the, the, the invading army gets shot or whatever, and they, they stagger back, but they don't fall over.
00:27:44
Speaker
If you notice the precision that the concierge and John go with the places where they're aiming, there's a lot of times they're aiming for obvious weak points in armor because any time there's points of articulation, it's hard to armor those areas.
00:28:00
Speaker
So you notice there's lots of times they're aiming for obvious weak points like knees, footnotes.
00:28:05
Speaker
front and back of a neck under the arms, things like that, where, or, you know, they're flipping the visors up and trying to get inside the helmets and things like that.
00:28:13
Speaker
If you haven't seen this movie in a while, go back and rewatch this scene just for that point and look at the attention to detail of the choreography of making those guys aim for those areas specifically, or, you know, they'll aim for a knee and that's a setup for something else.
00:28:26
Speaker
I picked that up and I thought, wow, that is a really, really cool detail.
00:28:31
Speaker
I definitely agree with that.
00:28:33
Speaker
And I will say, I agree that,
00:28:35
Speaker
You know, this is one, you know, this is one of the scenes where more so than any other scene in all three movies where it was kind of like, I don't know if John would have made it out of this.
00:28:50
Speaker
Um,
00:28:52
Speaker
You know, so I agree with that.
00:28:53
Speaker
But yeah, no, I love the precision and the attention to detail of, again, because it's not like in the second one where he shoots him in the knee so that he can take them down so that he's at, like, they're at his level.
00:29:07
Speaker
Like, they're doing that so that they can open up a weak point.
00:29:11
Speaker
Like, if he shoots him in the knee, that will get them down so that then that way he has a better angle to shoot them in the back.
00:29:18
Speaker
Or, you know, things like that.
00:29:22
Speaker
Yeah, the shot to the knee is the jab that sets up the right cross is really what it is.
00:29:27
Speaker
Yeah, so I thought that was, and again, like if you watch the behind the scenes stuff for this, you will see that there was so much detail put into where, you know, where they would shoot, things like that.
00:29:42
Speaker
I thought that was really well done.
00:29:44
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:46
Speaker
But it is a scene, and again, out of three movies, I give it more of a pass because it still does not take away from what has come before it or what kind of comes after it.
Believability of Action and Survival
00:30:02
Speaker
It is the only time where I was kind of like, all right, this feels like he probably couldn't have made it out.
00:30:10
Speaker
You know, more so, which is funny because you would think like after all of that, I...
00:30:15
Speaker
I kind of would have felt that when he ends up fighting the two assassins in that glass room, that that would be where he's just too tired to actually do anything.
00:30:27
Speaker
But I felt like, okay, yeah, no, like I was right back to, yeah, I would see John overtaking these two guys.
00:30:35
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:36
Speaker
And in that scene, there's a really great shot that is, is basically all done in one shot where these guys are kicking him into these glass shelves and he's just getting thwomped around and the timing has to be perfect because if you're off, it'll show.
00:30:51
Speaker
And, and,
00:30:52
Speaker
And it's really, really well executed.
00:30:55
Speaker
I've always been a fan of action sequences that do things in one shot because it's so, so hard to do.
00:31:01
Speaker
You have to be so precise with everything to make sure that nothing gets missed for the camera.
00:31:08
Speaker
There is a little bit of those guys throughout this scene, though.
00:31:13
Speaker
just them kind of waiting to jump on him.
00:31:16
Speaker
You know, he kind of dispatches them and they're off camera.
00:31:19
Speaker
So it's not as obvious, but in the back of my mind, I'm going, where's that other guy?
00:31:23
Speaker
You know, it's not as bad as like, say the throne room scene from the last Jedi, which is the worst I've ever seen as far as just, you know, NPCs just waiting to get their asses kicked.
00:31:34
Speaker
It's not that level of bad, but it is a little distracting.
00:31:38
Speaker
Just watch that back a couple of days ago.
00:31:40
Speaker
And yeah, the more, um,
00:31:43
Speaker
The more you see that scene, I will admit there's still things that I will 100 percent.
00:31:48
Speaker
I still will defend The Last Jedi.
00:31:50
Speaker
But that scene, the more you watch it, the more apparent it is that there are just in it.
00:31:58
Speaker
And it's not even you have to guess.
00:32:00
Speaker
It's just on camera that those guys are.
00:32:04
Speaker
They don't even hide it.
00:32:06
Speaker
Like, it's not, it's not like this where it's like, well, it's off camera.
00:32:10
Speaker
So like in your mind, you're like, well, wait a minute.
00:32:12
Speaker
Wouldn't he be back already trying to attack him?
00:32:15
Speaker
Like, no, those guys are standing there.
00:32:17
Speaker
Like, but it's almost like in their head, they're kind of like five, four, three, two.
00:32:23
Speaker
Okay.
00:32:23
Speaker
I got a swing.
00:32:24
Speaker
Like it's so apparent.
00:32:26
Speaker
It's unbelievable.
00:32:30
Speaker
There's some really cool stuff that's done, though, with the Wakazashis against some of the glass, you know, where it's really, really creative and incredibly well done.
00:32:40
Speaker
I got to say, there's a bit of them kind of waiting to jump on him, though.
00:32:43
Speaker
And there's also times where it feels like John gets punched and then instead of covering up and defending, he just kind of waits to get punched again.
00:32:53
Speaker
There's a little bit in there that is kind of distracting.
00:32:56
Speaker
And I got to say, there's some other things...
00:32:59
Speaker
that are distracting.
00:33:00
Speaker
So there's moving further to when he's fighting zero, both when he's fighting his, his pupils.
00:33:06
Speaker
And then when he goes to zero, there's some things in this, in this knife and sword bit that, that I do find a bit distracting.
00:33:12
Speaker
And when, I mean, these guys are killers, they're cold blooded killers.
00:33:15
Speaker
And,
00:33:15
Speaker
They don't feel anything for killing people.
00:33:17
Speaker
This is just their job.
00:33:18
Speaker
They're punching a time clock.
00:33:20
Speaker
This is just their profession.
00:33:21
Speaker
Right.
00:33:22
Speaker
And they don't feel anything about it.
00:33:24
Speaker
And when they don't take obvious kill shots and choose to taunt John instead, like when when the two pupils kind of fanboy out a little bit and they help him up like.
00:33:36
Speaker
this guy's trying to kill you.
00:33:38
Speaker
He is trying to end your life.
00:33:39
Speaker
Like, what are you doing?
00:33:41
Speaker
Like that to me, wasn't a cool moment.
00:33:44
Speaker
Cause you're not on the concierge.
00:33:45
Speaker
Like you're not in the concierge.
00:33:46
Speaker
Like there's no rules here.
00:33:48
Speaker
So that I think was a little distracting.
00:33:50
Speaker
And there's moments where zero chooses just to kind of mess with them instead of take, like nobody's watching this.
00:33:55
Speaker
It's not like you're scoring points with an audience, but like, Oh wow, that was so cool.
00:33:59
Speaker
Like you can tell whatever story later you want to tell.
00:34:02
Speaker
There's no reason to do that.
00:34:04
Speaker
And it ends up costing him his life as a result.
00:34:07
Speaker
So it just, it came across as weird to me.
00:34:09
Speaker
I don't know.
00:34:11
Speaker
I certainly did.
00:34:13
Speaker
Cause there's a couple of moments when, you know, you made mention of he, he gets punched and it's kind of like he waits to get punched again.
00:34:20
Speaker
I can kind of chalk that up to, I mean, this guy has been,
00:34:24
Speaker
going for how long he's been beat right like so maybe in those moments his reaction time is slower like i can chalk that up to i mean this guy has been shot at he's been kicked punched hit with a car everything in between so okay maybe you're gonna take a
00:34:53
Speaker
But yeah, you know, I did notice and I did sit there and point that out to myself and go, yeah, what are you doing?
00:35:02
Speaker
Like, you already know this guy's gone through probably a hundred bodies in this time frame.
00:35:09
Speaker
Like, if you have an opportunity to kill him, you just have to do it now.
00:35:13
Speaker
Like, who cares?
00:35:14
Speaker
Like, you know, they're not going to go, oh, well, you didn't get a headshot, so we're not giving you the $14 million.
00:35:20
Speaker
No, it's like,
00:35:21
Speaker
Thank God John Wick is dead.
00:35:23
Speaker
So here's your money.
00:35:24
Speaker
Thank you.
00:35:26
Speaker
But yeah, no, I totally agree with that statement that, yeah, it's like, sure, you might be a fan, so to speak.
00:35:34
Speaker
And, you know, you might want to gush over this guy a little bit, but you had your moment to do that.
00:35:40
Speaker
You did that.
00:35:42
Speaker
Now you realize that he's either trying to kill you or you are trying to kill him.
00:35:48
Speaker
So you should not waste an opportunity to do that.
00:35:54
Speaker
Like I said, it's not like... It's nothing that makes this movie completely fall apart and just go, nope, get it out of here.
00:36:03
Speaker
I'm done.
00:36:03
Speaker
I hate this movie.
00:36:04
Speaker
I hate this series.
00:36:06
Speaker
It just came across to me, I guess my reaction really was surprise.
00:36:11
Speaker
Because through two and three quarters of a movie in this series, that hadn't been the case, really.
00:36:18
Speaker
Yeah, no, and I think that's why it stands out so much more is because
00:36:24
Speaker
What you're talking about is where this kind of turns into the action movies that we talked about, that John Wick 1 and 2 was not.
00:36:37
Speaker
Yeah, even a little bit before that, we get this bridge fight on motorcycles as he's on his way there, and it's obviously green screen.
00:36:47
Speaker
And it's not as cool, I think, as what they want us to think that it is.
00:36:53
Speaker
I wish they just wouldn't have done it.
00:36:54
Speaker
I wish they would have done something completely different.
00:36:55
Speaker
I mean, the concept was cool, but it's a cartoon.
00:36:59
Speaker
I'm looking at a cartoon.
00:37:02
Speaker
I wish they would have done something different with that.
00:37:04
Speaker
You know, the thing is, is like you said, in no way does this movie, I don't ever think that this turns into, you know, do I think this movie is better than the first two?
00:37:18
Speaker
I don't.
00:37:19
Speaker
We'll get into that a little bit more, but you know, in the terms of a three movie thing, is this X-Men, the last stand compared to X one and two?
00:37:28
Speaker
No, like it's certainly not, you know, is this for horror fans?
00:37:33
Speaker
Is this what people consider scream three compared to one and two when it was just a trilogy?
00:37:38
Speaker
Like, no, like this movie never veers into like, well, they can't make a third movie.
00:37:43
Speaker
That's good.
Overall Quality of the Trilogy
00:37:45
Speaker
Um,
00:37:45
Speaker
just because I don't think this is as good as one and two does not mean that I am not, you know, highly able to praise this movie.
00:37:55
Speaker
But to me, it is hard to have three straight movies that I would consider a five because I do consider one and two.
00:38:04
Speaker
like on our rating scale fives or however you would rate a movie.
00:38:09
Speaker
I do consider them like top entertainment where I would say, yes, whatever your rating is, this would get the highest score for me.
00:38:16
Speaker
So if you're on an alphabet scale, those two movies are an A. If it's, you know, out of 10, it's a 10 out of 10.
00:38:24
Speaker
So, you know, it kind of gets to the ending too, where I appreciate the ending because
00:38:34
Speaker
But part of it feels a little far-fetched because it's like, God damn, how does he survive that part?
00:38:42
Speaker
Yeah, so, all right, let's just go ahead and get into that.
00:38:45
Speaker
I hated it.
00:38:47
Speaker
Hated it because it feels weird that they can negotiate Winston's, him coming back in.
00:39:01
Speaker
When, if you really look and we kind of talked about this last time, like who should, who should you really be pissed at the, the guy who killed your boss or the person who paid the guy to kill your boss?
00:39:11
Speaker
Like, and at what point did, you know, so when you look at, there was a contract out on John that was taken out by the guy he killed.
00:39:21
Speaker
Like you can kind of understand it.
00:39:24
Speaker
Yes.
00:39:24
Speaker
He broke a rule.
00:39:26
Speaker
but was what he did really all that bad considering what he's actually capable of.
00:39:30
Speaker
Like, wouldn't it make more sense to you to make peace with this guy?
00:39:34
Speaker
Like he's shown that he can settle the terms.
00:39:36
Speaker
Like, listen, I just really want to be left alone.
00:39:39
Speaker
If you leave me alone, I go away and you never see me again.
00:39:43
Speaker
It's almost like, take it.
00:39:44
Speaker
I will not find you.
00:39:45
Speaker
I will not look for you.
00:39:46
Speaker
I will not kill you.
00:39:47
Speaker
But if you mess with me, I'm going to do all these things.
00:39:50
Speaker
You're going to have a bad time.
00:39:51
Speaker
Because I know you've seen how many people have come after me.
00:39:53
Speaker
I've put down 300 people since this has happened.
00:39:58
Speaker
At least.
00:39:59
Speaker
At least.
00:40:00
Speaker
You would think that maybe they would just go, look, yeah, we're done here.
00:40:08
Speaker
Okay.
00:40:11
Speaker
Yeah, they're calling in dinner reservations for the entire city of New York, practically, with all the bodies that are stacking up there.
00:40:17
Speaker
You have our word.
00:40:19
Speaker
We will not come after you.
00:40:21
Speaker
Nobody can claim a marker on you.
00:40:23
Speaker
We will 100% let you out.
00:40:23
Speaker
Because you saw, it's not like he goes in
00:40:34
Speaker
and it doesn't seem like this is the word, but it's not like he goes and exposes the secret society when he's out.
00:40:39
Speaker
Like this guy, like truly just, he wanted to go get married, be in love and just be done.
00:40:48
Speaker
So you would think, yeah, like they go, God, like this guy has just ransacked, you know, our, not, not only our major league, major league team, our farm team, like he's going through all the draft picks here.
00:41:03
Speaker
Let's look,
00:41:05
Speaker
I mean, think about the resources in terms of manpower and money they've thrown at him that is now gone.
00:41:11
Speaker
Like they now have to replace all of these soldiers.
00:41:13
Speaker
They now have to replace all of this, all of these assets and all of this weaponry.
00:41:18
Speaker
Like that's a lot of investment.
00:41:21
Speaker
You know, at what point do you just go, listen, the juice is not worth a squeeze.
00:41:25
Speaker
Let him take his ball.
00:41:26
Speaker
No, I totally agree with that.
00:41:28
Speaker
And like, I understand Winston shooting him to give the illusion.
00:41:34
Speaker
But at the same time, it's like.
00:41:37
Speaker
Right.
00:41:38
Speaker
How does he survive that fall?
00:41:39
Speaker
By the way, how does he survive that fall?
00:41:41
Speaker
And how did they allow that dog shit?
00:41:43
Speaker
Yeah, that was again.
00:41:45
Speaker
That was weird because you're not used to seeing it.
00:41:49
Speaker
Because obviously you get the idea that Winston's like, it's not like Winston goes for a kill shot for God's sake.
00:41:56
Speaker
So you can tell, but it's like, is Winston like, is his thought process?
00:42:01
Speaker
Well, I have to do this and dear God, hopefully he survives this fall or they kill us both right here if I don't shoot him.
00:42:12
Speaker
But to me, like, there's no way that Winston has the, like, I know a hundred percent John's going to survive this.
00:42:22
Speaker
it feels, it feels off.
00:42:24
Speaker
Um, it seems like there's ways to negotiate things in this world.
00:42:28
Speaker
It seemed like the, the, the adjudicator was, was willing to come to the table and, and try to peacefully negotiate something where everybody can kind of walk away and go back to business as usual.
00:42:38
Speaker
Um, I want to talk about the adjudicator for a second because we haven't mentioned her yet.
00:42:43
Speaker
Um,
00:42:45
Speaker
I love we've talked about this.
00:42:47
Speaker
I love this world.
00:42:48
Speaker
I love what they've built.
00:42:50
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So we've seen like, you know, all of these different aspects of how this works.
00:42:55
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And, you know, we've seen like the girls with the 1950s kind of computers and they've got like the patch cables that are putting the phones in and, you know, and they're using the typewriters like they're your accounts payable department.
00:43:11
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Yeah.
00:43:11
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So we know that they've got an accounts payable department.
00:43:14
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Apparently this adjudicator is their auditor that just shows up and makes sure that you're compliant with all of the regulations and policies.
00:43:23
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I would love to just see more of that.
00:43:24
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Like, does the high table have like an HR girl that goes around to everybody and helps them fill out for their new dental plan?
00:43:31
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Like, I want to see more of this world.
00:43:32
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I just think there's so much here that could be explored and just so much fun.
00:43:36
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You only have two more days to sign up for your benefits.
00:43:39
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Do you need help with that?
00:43:42
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yeah like do they have somebody that goes around and makes everybody watch the annual sexual harassment training video for for compliance you know do they have osha people that just make sure that the workplace is safe you know like i i need to know more about this i i want to see more of that i i hope they explore that in a spin-off right and you know who just all of those things like
00:44:05
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Where do they order their supplies from?
00:44:07
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Who provides them?
00:44:08
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Like who, who provides, who provides somebody does that.
00:44:16
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Yeah.
00:44:17
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There's, there's somebody, you know, that's like walking around with a supply order, you know, like, Hey, who needed the yellow highlighters?
00:44:23
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Somebody does that.
00:44:24
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It's like, Oh, Hey, I got it.
00:44:25
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I got a case of nine millimeter.
00:44:27
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Who's, who's desk guy dropping off boxes going.
00:44:32
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what's, what's going on here?
00:44:34
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Um, but no, yeah, I do.
00:44:37
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Exactly.
00:44:38
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I do like that character.
00:44:39
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And just like the thought of, you know, some of that stuff is kind of funny to me.
00:44:46
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Uh, but Rob, one thing that I, I brought up last episode and now that you have watched this, um, it's, I can say this now, one of those spinoff shows, or it's not even a
Upcoming John Wick Spinoffs and Sequel
00:45:00
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spinoff.
00:45:00
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I, I,
00:45:02
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there's a little bit of confusion on what it's going to be, at least on my end, because I keep hearing different things.
00:45:09
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There's this, one of the spinoffs is called ballerina, which is going, is a prequel to these, to these films, which Keanu Reeves will be it.
00:45:22
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So we're apparently getting,
00:45:26
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you know, more into that training program and things like that.
00:45:30
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But I, I keep hearing different things about whether or not that will be a show or if that's an actual movie.
00:45:40
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You know, it'd be interesting because you notice right away is that soloist is dancing by herself.
00:45:47
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You notice right away she's got the same back tattoo in the same location that he does.
00:45:51
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So initially I thought, OK, is that a sister or what?
00:45:54
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You know, who is that?
00:45:55
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But then you kind of see later that they all kind of have that same pattern.
00:45:59
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So it's obviously just like a mark of their society, particularly when he gets like burned in the back.
00:46:03
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You know, like, here's your ticket.
00:46:05
Speaker
It's punched.
00:46:06
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Like, you can't unring this bell.
00:46:10
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So I think there's obviously we know there's a fourth chapter coming.
00:46:16
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Yeah, I don't really care who they focus on.
00:46:19
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Give me more of this.
00:46:21
Speaker
I'll watch all of it.
00:46:22
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I will probably try to see Chapter 4 in theaters.
00:46:26
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If they give us a show, if they give us a movie, if it's a prequel, or if it's a spinoff that happens at the same time.
00:46:32
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Yeah, I don't care what they do.
00:46:34
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I'll watch it.
00:46:35
Speaker
Give me John Wick 32.
00:46:36
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I'll go watch that too.
00:46:38
Speaker
Have you managed to watch the trailer?
00:46:41
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I know you finished this relatively...
00:46:44
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you know, late.
00:46:46
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Have you watched the trailer for chapter four yet?
00:46:51
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I have not.
00:46:52
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And I want to say it comes out in March.
00:46:54
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March of next year or is it May?
00:46:56
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So, um, okay.
00:46:58
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I mean, God, the way this year has been gone, um, been going March is going to be here and John Wick Ford will be here.
00:47:06
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Um, yeah.
00:47:08
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Yeah, if you blink, it'll be Christmas.
00:47:10
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Blink again, and we'll be talking about John Wick 4.
00:47:12
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It's crazy how fast this year has gone by.
00:47:14
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And with, I mean, not behind us, because there's still cases, but with things not seemingly delayed because of COVID anymore, it doesn't seem like this is a movie that would be delayed.
00:47:29
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So it feels like it will be coming out, but...
00:47:32
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You know, the reception to this was good.
00:47:36
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Like I said, you know, this came out at a time when Endgame was still dominating theaters.
00:47:41
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It was the first movie to dethrone Endgame.
00:47:45
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Originally, it was projected that it was only going to make around $30 million for its opening weekend, about $30 to $35.
00:47:51
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Ended up doing $57 million on its opening weekend.
00:47:55
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So far exceeded expectations.
00:47:59
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You know, and again, something that we talked about with
00:48:01
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each movie has done better than the last significantly with the box office results, which shows again, and it's, it feels good that it happens to a guy like Keanu Reeves because all you hear about him is he's a great guy and certainly seems like that.
00:48:18
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But we don't have to talk about ratings.
00:48:21
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Was there anything else that you specifically want to talk about with this, with this movie first?
00:48:29
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Man, that knife fight towards the beginning with the eyeball thing.
00:48:33
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That is unsettling.
00:48:36
Speaker
Unsettling.
00:48:37
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And brutal amazing.
00:48:42
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It's, you know, the violence in these films is actually kind of beautiful at times.
00:48:48
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You know, this is where you can have like you can have violence and
00:48:57
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Who knows, maybe to somebody like the violence in this is just too much naturally.
00:49:03
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And OK, understandable.
00:49:06
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But to me, like, you know, this is a series that shows that you can have violence.
00:49:12
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But it doesn't have to be like, oh, I got to turn away or things like that.
00:49:15
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Like you can watch it.
00:49:18
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And in a way, how you like, it's tasteful, so to speak.
00:49:25
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Yeah, they veer off a little bit when they switch to the shotguns in the lobby of the Continental Hotel.
00:49:33
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You do start to see some heads missing some pieces, but it's not Kill Bill level gore.
00:49:41
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It's not horror movie gore.
00:49:43
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It's like, well, that would happen.
00:49:46
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Basically face-to-face firing a shotgun at somebody.
00:49:50
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They're not going to go, ow.
00:49:54
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Right.
00:49:54
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Yeah.
00:49:54
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It's like, wow.
00:49:57
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Why did you do that, man?
00:49:59
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Come on.
00:50:03
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Hey, can't you see I'm walking here?
00:50:05
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All right.
00:50:07
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Let's let's talk about our popcorn time review.
00:50:12
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Let's rate this.
00:50:14
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And again, we both rated the first and the second one a five bucket movie.
00:50:21
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John Wick Chapter 3 to me, I will go first and I'll let you have the final thought on the rating portion.
00:50:28
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John Wick Chapter 3 is still a fantastic movie.
00:50:31
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I still really, really enjoyed it.
00:50:36
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To me, this is a four bucket movie compared to one and two.
00:50:42
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I can't take off anything more because I still feel that what it does well
00:50:52
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still is so top notch that the things that are a little bit more glaring because the first two don't seem to fall into those tropes are not enough to remove anything more.
00:51:03
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But for me, this is this is a four bucket, but still a really, really great entry.
00:51:10
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And one that, you know, if I go back and watch these, it's not like I'm skipping this one.
00:51:21
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Absolutely.
00:51:21
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So ranking this movie would actually prove to be a little bit of a challenge for me because as I was watching it, you know, you get at least halfway into the movie and in your mind, right.
00:51:35
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It's another five out of five, at least halfway into the movie.
00:51:37
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I've got that in my head.
00:51:38
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It's five out of five again.
00:51:39
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Wow.
00:51:40
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How do 15 out of 15?
00:51:41
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How do we do that?
00:51:42
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Like, Oh, John, we're almighty.
00:51:44
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Like exactly.
00:51:47
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Exactly.
00:51:48
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And then, you know, there's a couple of things that happen and a couple other things happen and you start to go, it's probably still a five, though.
00:51:54
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And then you get to the end and you go, wow, this was really good.
00:51:58
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And this is where, like I said, it gets tough to rank this movie, because when you compare this, if you just look at this film in a vacuum,
00:52:06
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It's still an incredibly high quality action movie.
00:52:10
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When you compare this to other films in a genre, not films within its series, but just other films in a genre, it's far superior to most of what else we see.
00:52:20
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But then when you start actually comparing it, and it's partially because we just watched these in such close proximity, you know, one, two, and three altogether, it's hard not to make the comparison to the first two.
00:52:31
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Does it hold up to the first two?
00:52:34
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Well, yes, it holds up to the first two.
00:52:36
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Is it as good as the first two?
00:52:37
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No.
00:52:38
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No, it is not.
00:52:40
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And that's where it gets tricky.
00:52:41
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So I don't think I can go as low as four, but I can't give it a five.
00:52:48
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So to me, this was like teetering four and a quarter, four and a half for me.
00:52:53
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I'm going to just say, you know what, on the basis that I think...
00:52:57
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Me wanting to give it a four and a quarter was just on the basis of ranking it against the other two entries, which isn't really fair to this movie as a whole.
00:53:05
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I'm going to say it's a four and a half buckets out of five for me and still feel like I would enjoy watching.
00:53:12
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Yeah, you know, it's kind of funny because we sit here and, you know, we talked about this sort of with like MCU rankings.
00:53:18
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And, you know, I'm giving it a four.
00:53:20
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You're giving it a four and a half.
00:53:22
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And like, you sound like you feel guilty giving it like, like we're, we're saying it's bad.
00:53:29
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In no way, shape or form are we doing like, are we doing that?
00:53:33
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But like you said, when you, when you compare it to other movies of this genre, you know, is this taken three?
00:53:41
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No.
00:53:42
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Like, is this like, this is a dip from one and two, but is it the difference between like taken one and taken three?
00:53:50
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No, absolutely.
00:53:50
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Absolutely.
00:53:52
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Like, absolutely not for action movies.
00:53:56
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But yeah, there's just some things that you weren't used to in this one that didn't happen in the first two, which, you know, a little unfortunate.
00:54:03
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But again, if you go through this movie and yeah, that's when I started watching this again, I went, how is this possible?
00:54:10
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Like, how am I going to sit here?
00:54:12
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Well, not how am I going to, but like, how did we get to a point where
00:54:16
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every one of these movies is a five out of five like and then you just started to see those you know those little cracks um but yeah this is a fantastic entry like this will be for me i'll be in the theater seeing john mcporn like i will probably do if you know in march i'm sure the schedule won't change um
00:54:40
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You know, this would be, oh, geez, I'm off Thursday night.
00:54:43
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I'm going to go to a seven o'clock showing of John Wick 4.
00:54:47
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Like, I will make it a point to go see this as early as I possibly can.
00:54:53
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And that's, you know, that's a huge credit to what this series has done.
00:54:59
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Because usually you don't have that with action movies.
00:55:05
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Particularly when you send out to a fourth entry.
00:55:09
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You know, thinking about action films that have multiple entries in them, you know, you can think of some sequels.
00:55:15
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Certainly you can think of trilogies.
00:55:18
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How many are you still excited on entry number four?
00:55:22
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I mean, I'm just thinking about action films here, you know, just right off the top of my head.
00:55:25
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Terminator's got multiple entries in it.
00:55:29
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they don't necessarily get better as you go.
00:55:33
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Um, aliens and predator both have multiple entries in them.
00:55:36
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Aliens versus predator somehow has multiple entries in it.
00:55:39
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You know, a quick shameless plug, go check out a previous review that we did on this channel for the movie prey, which was fantastic and you should watch it.
00:55:48
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Um, but not all of the movies in that series get better as you go.
00:55:55
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It's it's kind of unique.
00:55:56
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I mean, think about the Fast and Furious franchise.
00:55:58
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There is a great amount of variety and quality in that series.
00:56:05
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It's really something interesting that this that this gets I don't say gets better, but it still maintains a high level of interest and excitement around this.
00:56:15
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Like you said, like particularly think of like action movies in this genre.
00:56:22
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How many of them have three movies that are actually all very good quality?
00:56:28
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Not, okay, the first one's really good.
00:56:30
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The second one, sure.
00:56:32
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Still a significant entry.
00:56:34
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Third one, whatever.
00:56:37
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Action movies like this that are this type of action movie, you just don't see this.
00:56:47
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Yeah.
00:56:47
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I mean, not everybody loves all the diehard films, you know, and I'm thinking about like lethal weapon.
00:56:51
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I mean, I really enjoyed lethal weapon four, cause it's the first time we get to see Jet Li in the United States.
00:56:57
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And I think there's some moments that are really funny, but you know, not every single moment of all four lethal weapons.
00:57:02
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I also have like a very special place for lethal weapon four.
00:57:05
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Cause I actually think lethal weapon four has some pretty good heart to it too.
00:57:10
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Actually there's, there's,
00:57:12
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there's that scene at the end where Riggs is visiting his wife's grave.
00:57:15
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And I actually think that scene's very well done.
00:57:18
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Like it kind of catches you out of nowhere.
00:57:23
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Leo tells the story about the frog.
00:57:25
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And I was like, wait, how did you pull that?
00:57:27
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Like, like, how did you pull that off?
00:57:29
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And somebody listening, if you've never seen it, like, how is the story of a frog, like emotional or like have heart, like go watch lethal weapon for like, like,
00:57:40
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yeah no so i actually yeah i really really enjoy lethal weapon 4 actually but yeah they just you don't see that's about the list i can come up with though like how many other movies can you come up with that have gone this far which is in this genre coming out with a fourth one i don't think those movies have gotten better as they've gone on and some people might say they you know well they would have had to have been good because i know people that don't like those movies at all um
00:58:06
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But, you know, you've got the expendables, you've got those, like you said, franchises like Terminator.
00:58:14
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Jeez, when when was a Terminator movie good?
00:58:18
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And even when they went back and, you know, everybody said for God, what was the last one?
00:58:22
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Terminator.
00:58:26
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Was it Genesis?
00:58:27
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Genesis was the one that they thought was going to completely reboot the franchise.
00:58:32
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And then that absolutely bombed.
00:58:34
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And then they did Terminator.
00:58:35
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Oh, Dark Fate.
00:58:36
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And they bring back Linda Hamilton and everybody's like, this is the one.
00:58:41
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This is it.
00:58:41
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This is what's going to happen.
00:58:43
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And people rated Dark Fate worse than Genesis.
00:58:47
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And people hate Genesis.
00:58:51
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You know, so you've got things like Terminator that just
00:58:56
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it can't happen.
00:58:57
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You know, it just, they can't seem to capture the magic of the first or the second.
00:59:02
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So this is a rare feat.
00:59:04
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I feel like John wick is a very rare thing where these movies are just all incredible quality.
00:59:09
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So yeah, absolutely.
00:59:14
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Especially again, not just because they're good, but they're not just good as an action movie.
00:59:20
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There's interesting things throughout the entire thing.
00:59:25
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It's filmed well.
00:59:26
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And that was one thing I'll just, I'll say this really quick as we're wrapping up again.
00:59:31
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I think these movies, like the locations and the way that they're shot, even outside of the action, these are really good looking movies.
00:59:41
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Like these have great scores.
00:59:42
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They have great cinematography.
00:59:44
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Like these are shot incredibly well.
00:59:51
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Just real quick on that note, there's a, there's a moment, um,
00:59:55
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you know, they kind of kill the lights at the continental and they have sort of those green, uh, almost like lasers that are lighting anything.
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There's a moment where John walks out of the elevator and it's my favorite shot in the movie.
01:00:07
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It just, he emerges out of this blackness and it's just like, Oh, it just like you get chills and you just go, Oh my God, that was incredible.
01:00:14
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Um, yeah, the, uh, the, the cinematography throughout the series has been fantastic.
01:00:20
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The world building, I would also say it, it floats, uh,
01:00:24
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perfectly along the line of teasing you to ponder what the rest of this world looks like how the how this universe operates and and giving you enough to think about without giving you too much you know it's it doesn't tell you that the midichlorians are the source of the force like it doesn't give you all that just let it be mysterious let let it let us yeah kind of yeah no absolutely again i i they give you like
01:00:52
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They give you just enough where you can come up with fun little things on your own.
01:00:57
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While also making it seem believable in such an unreal situation.
01:01:05
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Like.
01:01:07
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Yes.
01:01:07
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And sticking true to its own rules, too.
01:01:09
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Like it never violates the third movie doesn't violate any rules.
01:01:12
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Not at all.
01:01:13
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Regardless of like what we talked about with like, well, you would think they would maybe just say, well, let's let bygones be bygones.
01:01:19
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they're still following, you know, even though we're like, why would you not just say we can let this one slide?
01:01:27
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And like, why wouldn't you be mad at the guy who put the contract on John wick for doing what he asked?
01:01:33
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Um, cause it's not like John was going to come after him after the deed was done.
01:01:38
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Like John did it so he could be done and get out.
01:01:42
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Um, so why not be mad at this guy for getting 300 of your employees killed?
01:01:48
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Um,
01:01:50
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Yeah, it still follows its own rules of this is how this world is supposed to work.
01:01:55
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It never, and in the three movies, it never MacGuffins anything that's talked about.
01:02:02
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Like, it doesn't go, okay, well, remember how the first movie we said this is how this exists?
01:02:09
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Well, we're hoping you forgot about that.
01:02:11
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Like, it just, it stays true through every single movie so far.
01:02:17
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I see no reason why that would change in the fourth movie.
01:02:19
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But yeah, you know, all around, I still think this is a solid entry.
01:02:24
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So, you know, that'll do it for John Wick 3.
01:02:28
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If you're listening to this, we did the craziness of the season has started to get to us.
01:02:35
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So if you're listening to this episode now,
01:02:39
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We are a little behind of what our original schedule was for the Hellboy, John Wick, and Cloverfield reviews that we're going to do.
01:02:50
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You know, next up is going to be Cloverfield, a series that I am incredibly fond of.
01:02:56
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So I'm going to be interested to see Rob's thoughts on these movies.
01:03:00
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But yeah, Rob, that'll...
01:03:03
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going to a totally different genre now, um, from, from John Wick and hell boy.
01:03:09
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So yeah, completely different.
01:03:14
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And Cloverfield is different genres within itself too.
01:03:17
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Uh, I'm very excited to revisit the first film because I can't tell you that I've seen it in the last seven years or so.
01:03:26
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It's been a while.
01:03:27
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Um, and I re I remember, uh,
01:03:29
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having fond memories of it.
01:03:31
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I remember enjoying it.
01:03:32
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So I'm really excited to take another look at it.
01:03:36
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That was pretty much hyped by viral media.
01:03:41
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Like that first, you know, we got one trailer for that movie, which debuted with the first transformers film.
01:03:52
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I remember being in the theater for transformers and everybody going, what the hell was that?
01:03:57
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Like,
01:03:58
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What did we just see?
01:04:00
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And then never getting another trailer again and just all these little... I don't know if, Rob, you remember this, and this can be part of Cloverfield, but they had all of these websites that you could click and links and slusho.
01:04:15
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Do you remember how deep...
01:04:17
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the viral marketing was for that movie.
01:04:19
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Like you would go to websites and hear voicemails and recordings of like what was U.S. government officials talking about incidents.
01:04:27
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Like it was wild what they did to promote this movie and get people interested because it worked.
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Yeah, I think they had, I think there was like a whole fad of doing that with certain films where that was kind of like a big thing.
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And for some reason, I feel like Independence Day, for whatever reason, had something else like that.
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But yeah, there was like the tie-in website that, you know, nobody uses anymore.
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I mean, basically, it's more just like, here's a cast, you know, here's some behind the scenes stuff.
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Here's the trailer.
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Like, that's about all you get anymore, I think.
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But yeah, there was a period of time where that was a really big deal.
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It helped kick it back off with viral marketing and people being like, oh, well, I wonder if it's this.
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And the creature, I remember seeing
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just hundreds of different designs of what we think this is what the creature looks like based on going to this website and things like that.
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So, uh, I'm super interested to go back, rewatch all three of these movies.
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Um, you know, kind of talk about some of the behind the scenes stuff that's happened with them.
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Cause I think there's a lot of interesting stuff with this Cloverfield universe that, uh, you know, that's on the table to talk about, but, uh,
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