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Man Utd's City complex, Kane's Curse and Roy's Woes
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Exciting times at United with Jim Ratcliffe and INEOS shaking things up! 🚀 Will the Premier League see the introduction of the blue card? 🔷 And Harry Kane's trophy hunt takes an unexpected turn in Germany! 🏆 Tune in as we dive into the latest stories across the world of football! 🎙️
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Introduction and Podcast Welcome
00:00:00
Speaker
I'm not into podcasts. I swear you'll never see anything like this ever again! What a hit! Back of the net.
Sunderland 'Till I Die: Season Three Recap
00:00:14
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Nara Pundit podcast. I am Killeen Ginniti and I'm delighted to be joined as ever by Connor Glennon and Nathan Byrne. Gentlemen, how are we?
00:00:24
Speaker
All good, man. Can't complain. I mean, you know, Nathan's crew are trying to steal our man, Dan. But apart from that, all good, man. How about you? I'm great. Something until I die season three came. So I literally have nothing to complain about.
Ownership Insights: Cyril Louis-Dreyfus and Juan Satori
00:00:41
Speaker
Nate, what is the story and you're into the world?
00:00:43
Speaker
Oh, I'm feeling good, feeling refreshed, refreshed. I think that's the word, so yeah, feeling good. Have you watched Sunderland until the day, season three? Not yet. I know it's a positive season for Sunderland this time round, so it's hard to watch positive things happen on that side of the border.
00:01:04
Speaker
Have you seen seasons one and two? I watch one. I've seen fully two. I watched on and off. But I need to probably get back into it properly because it's only a couple of how many episodes of it again for season three. Oh, wow. OK. Yeah, it's because it's it's not a full season. It's not it's not going from day one. Yeah, no, it's literally just kind of a recap of what's happened.
00:01:32
Speaker
Touching bass with a lot of people and that they'd covered and then they run in To to the final and like it touches on some of the players that aren't there anymore like Lyndon Gucci Came through there from like he was there 16 years and he's no longer at the club now So it's kind of nice for the fans to get to see him again and kind of get a little bit a little bit better understanding of the owner like He
00:02:02
Speaker
his father used to own Marseille, but for like a summer, Cyril Louis-Dreyfus, the son and an owner, he's only 26, maybe 27, I think he's only 26, and he actually lived as a youth player at Marseille while Didier de Champs was the manager. But he was doing all the same duties as the youth players were doing, so like he was cleaning boots, he was like doing all that kind of stuff around the place.
00:02:30
Speaker
So he's like a really, it's really good to kind of see hands on love. Yeah. And even so there was always question marks of how did he get involved with Sunderland? Because like the full well seventy three, the production company behind him revealed that part of the reason why Ellis Short, the American owner, initially even let them in was because they had said, this will help you sell the club.
00:02:50
Speaker
And Boi did it, but it turns out Juan Satori, who was brought in by Stuart Donald for those I've seen season two, a Uruguayan guy, he is the son-in-law of Monaco's Russian oligarch owner.
00:03:07
Speaker
So I think he's somewhat involved in the board there while the father-in-law is under embargo. Oh, I see. But he also ran for Uruguayan president not long after buying a percentage of Sunderland and he was kind of meant to be like.
00:03:22
Speaker
the real deal in comparison to Donald and the Met film. And then suddenly the whole ownership model went awry and then he brought in some snot nose kid called Sarah Louis Dreyfus.
Sunderland's Success and Ownership Skepticism
00:03:34
Speaker
It turns out that they had met while they were on holidays just playing football and they just kept playing football with each other. Bear in mind like Satori's twice his age. Like Satori would be 40 something now.
00:03:46
Speaker
Um, and, uh, yeah, then they touch space and they're like, here, what's the crack? Do you want to get involved? And they did. And he initially brought in as a controlling shareholder. Um, this, uh, Louis Dreyfus, um, 41%, but it meant that Metphin, Satori and Donald, if they wanted could have had control, but they didn't. It's kind of like a Radcliffe thing. Um, but yeah, like it was just interesting just to see all that kind of from behind the scenes because there was,
00:04:17
Speaker
For context, season three, it covers someone getting promoted to the championship at last, but now that someone are doing well in the championship a lot of fans are not trusting the model. So it was kind of good to kind of remind people that this is where we were when these guys came in.
Football Documentaries: Raw vs Polished Styles
00:04:36
Speaker
We had signed Ross Stewart, who was at that time a winger from Scotland, who was like four or five years before deciding whether or not he was ever going to play football again. We turned him into a I think Southampton paid nine or ten million pounds for him. From going from thinking of giving up to nine million quid is that's quite a jump. Yeah. And it was just down to the
00:05:03
Speaker
not quite money ball, but it was that kind of idea, kind of go, no, we see the physical stats in you that we like and we know we can coach better. I will say that the son until I, until I die from what I've seen, it's a very well produced show. Like, I mean, obviously the rex in one is, is a whole different piece, but seems more and more clubs are doing it. Like Liverpool are doing one. Um, which is, is ironically the thing that clock always said, if they did, he'd leave the club and it kind of coincides with that. But
00:05:30
Speaker
But we'll just put that down to conspiracy. I think the difference with The Sun and the One, for anybody that hasn't seen it at this stage, and if you haven't seen it, what were you doing during the pandemic? That and Tiger King, yeah. But I think the difference with The Sun and the One in comparison to Tottenham, sort of, but definitely
00:05:48
Speaker
in complete another opposite to City or Juventus or the Arsenal ones, which was it was warts and all. Yeah. The Amazon ones are a bit more polished. Yeah. Yeah. Like there was no hiding. Like this shows our managing director at times slamming a door when he couldn't convince Jack Rodwell to leave the club. It shows Chris Coleman confronting a fan who was calling him shit to his face.
00:06:14
Speaker
That's the kind of stuff that's what you want. It's real football and that's why I was disappointed with Season 3. It was just a little bit too... It glossed over a lot. It just went through the whole... With three episodes there's only so much you can do. And they're only 45 minutes apiece. Have United ever done one night?
00:06:35
Speaker
Now I have a quick question on them and just in general, you think they have shelf lives because I watched season one but you wouldn't get me to watch season
NFL vs Premier League: Content Strategies Compared
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Speaker
two. That's the same with me, I watched one and halfway through two I dipped.
00:06:51
Speaker
is it more like after season one and like say the novelty wears off a bit is it more than just for the fans or like could we see one where maybe it goes the drive to survive or the Six Nations model where it's the Premier League type behind the scenes stuff
00:07:11
Speaker
Is it like, that's where I'm like, where do you get like all the viewership sort of. The way that they do it in the States for the NFL is the, what they call hard knocks. So every year they pick a team and it's different team every year. So like, you know, it goes from the Panthers one year to the Chargers, the next. I think that could be really cool. I've never really thought about that Nathan. That was actually a really interesting model to do. Cause then I'd watch it if it was even fucking Brighton, like,
00:07:38
Speaker
And it's interesting that you mentioned NFL there with the Super Bowl and whatever, watching their content more and stuff. Some of their stuff was insane, like quality wise. They released like a 40 minute mic version after the Super Bowl. You would literally listen to everything they were saying in the place. It was crazy.
00:07:58
Speaker
unimaginable in the Premier League. That's what I mean. Are we sort of being sold a bit short when it comes to content? I think there's levels to it though. I think you're right. I think the way the NFL do it is unbelievable and where they're much smarter than the Premier League is like,
00:08:16
Speaker
a lot of athletes in the NFL have their own podcasts, namely Travis Kelsey, who, you know, everyone knows is Taylor Swift's boyfriend now. But like when they when they when the NFL put up a post with Travis Kelsey, that's included the podcast, they do a partner tag, so like everyone's growing with it. So they're trying to grab the audience of his podcast, and it benefits everyone. Well, like, you're telling me like,
00:08:41
Speaker
The podcast that Callum Wilson has, Premier League aren't going to push that. No way. Now, the difference with that though is, don't forget, NFL was under threat very, very recently from other sports. They were on the cusp of losing followers because I think, what was it?
00:09:03
Speaker
eight years ago, South Park were making jokes about the NFL or investing in sea monkeys to try and get the crowd crowds back up, putting sea monkeys instead of people. And there's always that cyclical thing with American sports. So like for a couple of years, football will be riding high and then it like it'll dip off a little bit. But this is the thing, though, is because they've realized that
00:09:28
Speaker
American football and American sports doesn't translate worldwide, but personalities do. Yeah. A hundred percent. I think that's where the Premier League can be complacent because it can be. It doesn't have to worry about it. That's a very good point. I think the Premier League is a more old school protectionist. Yeah. Like it's protect the brand. Well, the NFL, like you said, through
00:09:55
Speaker
fear I suppose to have opened the gates a little bit seen it's worked and then
00:10:00
Speaker
Then they're off the races.
NFL's Global Expansion Initiatives
00:10:02
Speaker
Even the NFL, like even watching recently and stuff, it's like, I think there's a lot that football can learn from it in terms of, you know, the way that they open up access, like this type of stuff they have, how they're transferring over into new markets now. And like, I was watching one of the videos and it was like, it was such a simple video. It was like setting up the NFL in Germany, how they went and transformed the stadium into, I'm like, you got me watching it for half an hour because it's interesting.
00:10:29
Speaker
They're doing a game in Madrid as well in 25, I think. And then Ireland has been talked about for a long time with teams like Pittsburgh and having Irish core audiences there.
Cultural Impact of College Football in the USA
00:10:41
Speaker
They did some game last year, didn't they? They always do college games over here. I don't get the whole college thing. The college thing being as big as the NFL is wild to me, like some of the colleges having
00:10:52
Speaker
I think it's class. I think it's like, you can live your dreams professional athlete effectively. And like, like there's guys that like will never grace the NFL. And for four years, we're basically Premier League players, you know, playing in front of like, yeah, he tells him in college, like, it's crazy. Like, just arguably there's more passion for the college game in America than there is for that. Yeah.
00:11:15
Speaker
it's wild that like when you think of what our youth systems are like for our sports it's it's like on a like a united under 21s game like you should be looking to get a couple of hundred people there yeah now going back to your question don't they like i do think that in season two there is still something for other people um but it's it's a lot more um how should i say uh uh
Sunderland Mismanagement Anecdote
00:11:45
Speaker
sadist porn. Like, if you just want to see a club being run badly and like. Dumpster fire, Telly. Yeah, I get that. But there was a part where Charlie Metwin was trying to convince them to make the stadium night into a nightclub.
The Appeal of Football Documentaries During COVID
00:11:59
Speaker
And it just does a part. There's a sitting in a room and he just goes, just imagine this tumping. It's like, and then everyone is just there looking at him. And then the subtitles just come up. EDM music continues.
00:12:13
Speaker
I don't know if I'm a bit close minded when it comes to that, but like when I look back and go, okay, and suddenly until I die, season one, to me, it's, you piqued everyone's interest. It came out as the right time, probably with cloven and stuff like that.
00:12:30
Speaker
and no like undoubtedly it probably gathered a lot of fans that that grew a connection with the club i just don't know what's in it for the person to go let me watch season two that they already didn't see in season one if they're not if they don't have an emotional connection to the club
00:12:46
Speaker
Well, see this, this is the kind of thing I think, I don't think you need to have an emotional connection to the club, but I just think you need to have a basic knowledge of it because like season one was them falling from the Premier League into the championship and falling out of the
Community Storytelling in Football Documentaries
00:13:01
Speaker
championship. But it was under one ownership and at the end of that, it teased the new ownership coming in. So then season two was that new ownership. And if you have a little bit of a knowledge about what was going on there,
00:13:11
Speaker
you'd realise that this was an insurance salesman trying to live out his fantasy of being playing with the big boys. I think, you know, storytelling wise though, I think that's where Welcome to Wrexham, that could have another 10 seasons, even if they don't even get promoted because they focus on the community and the storytelling of
00:13:31
Speaker
You know, the pub landlord and all that. Yeah. The difference of like Rexxum is it's the story of the up. It's like follow their journey upwards and see if they can make it worse. Yeah, exactly. Watch this crash and burn. Yeah. So like it would never have a long life. Yeah. Unless it keeps getting worse and worse, which, you know.
00:13:52
Speaker
it's when you can revisit like if your club is ever going through anything bad you can kind of revisit and kind of go oh so this is what it's like behind the scenes when this stuff is going on like like in season two is revealed that they were spending i think like a couple of hundred pounds per week on renting plants for the offices of the stadium
00:14:09
Speaker
That's very important to keep staff's morale up here. That's real RTE flip-flop vibes. You get these interesting anecdotes. You also get to see how powerful a player like Magidi was to morale, to the politics, because he was really willing to speak out. It also covers managers coming and going. As you see Simon Grayson there, you get to understand who he is and then you see him sacked.
00:14:35
Speaker
I think United are prime for something like this with Ineos coming in. They have a chance to make a show, watch us rebuild and pretty brand and get back to where they were. That could go very right or very wrong. But it'd be great telling either way. It'd be great telling, yeah, but I'd be extremely scared of what I taught at my club after watching that, you know what I mean?
00:15:00
Speaker
I'm on the outside right now, do I want to know too much that's going on in the inside? This is an interesting thing Nate, because something had had it, which is, where does your level of control come in? Because something were very liberal with that kind of going, yeah, listen.
00:15:18
Speaker
go and tell the story. Whereas you can see with the Juventus or City, there were a lot more hands-on, a lot more kind of like we're going to control the narrative. But this is the thing, was there not news a couple of weeks ago that INEOS were looking to get more commercial influence away from the glazers?
00:15:36
Speaker
Yes, but or define that you mean financially to get FFP or no to be able to take a little bit more control as far as I understand it was kind of go, well, this is a commercial deal that we think is better for the business because we're going to if we're going to sign a player, we're going to do it in the way that we want, but they can have a little bit more influence on how the club is going to be perceived because that's the
00:15:57
Speaker
It affects football because you can't have Glazers going and saying, oh, well, we've signed this and your players just have to deal with that now. Or we don't want you to sign him because it's not good for business. No. Well, interestingly, it was actually the opposite way around. It was the Glazers that thought it would be a good idea for any of us to have more commercial control.
00:16:20
Speaker
Something to do with just like, I can't remember the exact word, but it was like for any of us to be able to work well, they feel that they need to have a certain control and commercially as well, which is so backwards from the glazes. It makes me think that it's possibly like just PR, but
00:16:39
Speaker
Like I've heard, I haven't seen it on myself. And because that'd be interesting because that would completely put the ball into sort of Jim's court and making this the decision of like, whether this is going to happen or not. And well, or whoever his head of football operations would be. But there has been a lot of movement on that United front, Nathan, that we've done United countless times. Give us the whirlwind tour of what's happened in the last week.
00:17:07
Speaker
Okay, do you have a lot of time for me to lift off every chance? No, I've only got 60 seconds. Go. No, I'm getting the weeds on this and I'm interested because I think it's rare you see a club as big as United with so many roles in senior leadership available, you know?
00:17:27
Speaker
Well, exactly. I think the big thing is Mosey's role has never existed. But yeah, big issue. And so like, it's not like we're sucking people and getting new people in. But yeah, I think since Omar came in as CEO, like this has been an acceleration on recruitment. And remind us who Omar is again.
00:17:48
Speaker
the former head of performance at City Group. He came in and there's just been this acceleration. Clearly INEOs, well I know INEOs, but like clearly they've gone down Ashworth our man, like obviously
00:18:07
Speaker
Leave him alone. He is happy where he is. Leave him alone. This is where you're wrong. He's actually not happy where he is because he gladly comes to Manchester United. He's made that very clear in the last week. Jokes aside, the chance to be that role up, I don't know any football man who turns that down.
00:18:27
Speaker
But I think a big thing as well is he'll have more influence than Man United. He goes in that structure, new castle currently. Sir James obviously, and I think, sir, is it Browsford? Oh, Dave Browsford, yeah. Dave Browsford. He holds them really hot in really high regard. So he's clearly the man that they want. What's Sir Dave's? So structure wise, it goes Omar, CEO.
00:18:55
Speaker
over Dan Ashford under him. Okay. This is where it gets very interesting. We're about to have executives of executives. I actually read this article earlier from the elect. It was with Dan Ashford when he was at Brighton. From like four or five years ago.
00:19:15
Speaker
Yeah, about his structure. Yeah, that's fantastic. I think I'd put it in the group chat. I mentioned the word bubble. He has his little bubble, that's what he calls it, where he's going to have head of recruitment, head of academy, head of performance, head of medical, head of psychology. That just makes sense to me, though. And that sounds more like how they operate their cycling team, because they have all those components.
00:19:43
Speaker
And what I believe that these are like strong rumors that are coming out is head of recruitment. We're looking to get the Brighton head of recruitment. And Ashworth would be a draw for him. That was a shock. Apparently Chelsea won them, but Ashworth's like, no, we're having them.
00:20:01
Speaker
Jesus, we wouldn't fucking fuck go in there at this time, you know what I mean? Do you know how many directors do they have, like director of Football Times Live? So him or Julian Ward is the rumoured head of recruitment. The former Liverpool director. Yeah, that was under Michael Edwards as well. And then I don't know if you saw, we were linked with the director of football of Southampton today.
00:20:29
Speaker
Oh, Wilcox. Yeah. And I should look up his name now. I think it's James, I want to say. It is Jason Wilcox. And so we were linked to him today. And like, this is the crazy thing. He's director of football at Southampton. The role he'd be having at United is head of academy. So like in football terms, that's a that's a downgrade.
00:20:57
Speaker
Well, it's like it's like Ralph Ragnick, not even jokes wise, but going from director of football to manager at United, it's two completely different jobs. Exactly. But his pedigree actually perfectly suits that role. He was head of Academy at City before he went to Southampton. So that's another exciting
00:21:17
Speaker
What seems like you're accumulating the Avengers like it's. It feels like we're just gathering names which is crazy and and then also a new role that's meant to be coming into the bubble is an executive that's going to look out over nice and you know that the same time.
00:21:37
Speaker
Now this is Killian, you were the first to throw out that this sounds a bit suspect. Yeah, well as the Premier League not just after voting about trying to restrict multi-club ownership buying of players like transactions between after the dodgy dealings of City buying a player via
00:21:57
Speaker
another club there. Troyes to loan to Hirona to buy with Citi. Troyes is highest transfer fee ever and he never played for the club. And Citi are now threatening to
00:22:14
Speaker
take the Premier League to court over this, because they're going, oh, well, this is infringing on it. Oh, Sid, you want to get into a legal battle, do they? Yeah. I think there was like two or three abstentions from the vote, but the rest of the Premier League went to court. All I'm hearing is Tadebo for five million. That's all I'm hearing. But I think that's a very interesting role that they're clearly trying to. Like the only way I can see that working. Yeah, get the old people's structure going before it gets thrown out.
00:22:43
Speaker
The only way I can see that working, and for all of their criticisms, I think Red Bull are the only one that gets it right. Because what they tend to do is they, by between each other, but not ridiculously so. Because you see players leave the bubble and come into the bubble, and that's fine. But what they did with Radniak and Jared Houlier before that was they have
00:23:07
Speaker
people working between the clubs, but it's just to make sure that the ideology is the same, that the tactics are the way they want it. It's like, if it's that kind of a role where it's kind of going right, United have learned this, they have this new sports scientist, they in the knee reckons, if you go on a carnivore diet, you're going to be Superman. And then they bring that over his knees. I'm cool with that. That's synergy. That's an interesting way of doing things. If they want to kind of start saying, right, we want to play in a Gengen press and style of football, and this is going to be our identity and bring it across the two clubs.
00:23:37
Speaker
That's cool. If it ends up facilitating dodgy dealings, well then. Well, I think that's the thing. It doesn't have to facilitate dodgy dealings. And I think multi ownership can work. If it's properly regulated. I think multi ownership is fine. Like you're saying, Nate, like we're being pessimistic here and you like, you know, I think it's doable, but you're right, Keely, at the same point, like there's ample room for dodginess. It's not pessimism when it's happening now.
00:24:06
Speaker
Yeah, but like let's say United use nice as a way to develop players like I've seen no issue with that I don't either personally I see no issue with United players going along Denise and developing I don't I don't mind that that that's absolutely fine but if they're gonna try and use it to like
00:24:25
Speaker
to do what you do in circumventing work permits, circumventing financial, because if you can bounce things between different leagues. See, I think there's three layers of possibilities here. I think, like Nathan's saying, if it's more of a breeding ground for youth players. If it's like a football manager set up. Yeah.
00:24:46
Speaker
cool then there's what's going on with the city group and then there's the possibility of like say up at the tune if we got Benzema on loan through Saudi Arabia like that's just
00:24:58
Speaker
You know, or Watford and Udenezi or, um, not, not on forest and Olympiacos. Oh, I wanted to get him over to forest. Oh, the transfer deadline is gone. I'll just sack him from Olympiacos and hire him again at not on forest. I do think, I think you'd know better than ace, but I do think from what Sir Jim does, uh, I think he's more of a serious operator that I don't think he's into the.
00:25:27
Speaker
They're calling the system. I think he's genuinely trying to create a better system. Well, there's rumors now that Surgeon's looking at a South American club. Have they said who? No. Or where? Apparently, Brazil and Argentina, top division, they're looking at two clubs, one in each. They're not going to buy two clubs, but either one. Maybe one or the other, yeah. Yeah. But that's interesting that
00:25:53
Speaker
Is this just a more complex sort of academy system where they get you products in, they give them a few years to develop at these clubs and they go like, let's go, like move them on, you know what I mean? And like, I personally have no issue with any club that I think Chelsea are trying to do.
00:26:12
Speaker
like I think Chelsea are trying to did they buy Stroudsburg in France as well did they I think I think they bought Stroudsburg yeah I think so and we're definitely in talks too anyway yeah I think I think that went through so like a lot of clubs are doing this now
00:26:30
Speaker
and let's talk like Newcastle have their 14 clubs in Saudi Arabia that they have and talks of others that one day looking at somebody in Italy. I think it's I think multi-club ownership I think city of sour the waters of what it is but I think if you take the city group out of it it's doable and as long as it's somewhat regulated
00:26:56
Speaker
My only worry would be the guy leading it is the guy that was leading the city group. Well, thank you. I completely forgot about that. I actually just came to my head there. I was like, OK, the guy that could be leading this was actually in the city. So what is our intentions? And see, my issue at City is it's it's only how they're doing it as of the last year. There are things I have to change and how they're doing it because like they bought a load of teams.
00:27:24
Speaker
And they were doing the cool thing like they had her own for years and they're sending Patrick Roberts out on loan there and they have and Yokohama mariners they have Melbourne City they have New York City FC, and they were doing the cool thing. Oh, who's representing.
00:27:43
Speaker
I can't remember but then you have the likes of Red Bull who have one in Ghana, one in Brazil, one in New York. Germany. They have Germany, they have Austria.
00:27:58
Speaker
They have a lower division Austrian one as well. I think it's more of a set. I think it's more of a second team situation. Yeah, like it's it's called Leifering or something. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like the B team, which they do that in their system, which is fine. But it's like when you see what you do, you as the owners did with Watford where you just kind of like trade between yourselves and what city are now doing.
00:28:28
Speaker
And with the legal goings on around the city, every deal now has to be brought into question. And they're making it more and more questionable with every deal. It's something that kind of needs to be regulated. And I don't think that or I hope that United don't fall into that trap.
00:28:53
Speaker
But it's something that they need to be very, very, very careful with. And you would hope the Premier League will act before they can get caught out in that. My life here is just with the Premier League. The regulation, any time the Premier League try to regulate something or like say the owner's test is just redundant. Like it never works. Still have dodgy owners coming in.
00:29:18
Speaker
have had since the thing was in play. It seems like every regulatory thing they do is half baked. I think if you're going to allow this kind of thing to go on, it's either a free-for-all or a really stringent plan because I think the way that it
00:29:33
Speaker
There's so much ambiguity in the regulations in the Premier League for me anyway. The thing is, this is a FIFA regulation thing because it spans over so many leagues. Do you know what I mean? The Premier League can't go investigate what's happening with the league and stuff like that.
00:29:51
Speaker
I just find the rest of the city teams that they own. They have Bahia. Where is that? Brazil. They have an influence on a team, I think, in Bolivia. They have Hirona. They have Lamo in Belgium. They have some dealings with a Uruguayan team.
00:30:14
Speaker
I'll be straight up lads. I didn't even know they played football in Bolivia. I think half of these are just smokescreen clubs. They have Mumbai. Is this just to get into the country though in terms of kind of like spread the city message through these proxies? That's what they say.
00:30:36
Speaker
But when you, like, look, don't forget the Lampard deal. Like, they got around transfer windows and all by, okay, we want Lampard to be at New York because that's going to be good for our brand there. Ah, sure. We'll just have him play for City for the next six months.
00:30:55
Speaker
That kind of leaves question marks. I think it's when it's kind of coming down is where the issues are rather than going up. Like if there were signing players from Mumbai.
00:31:09
Speaker
That's a good kind of pathway. It's when you see it going the other way. I think, was that the Mumbai team that Nicholas Anelka was briefly at? For a hot minute, his 72nd club of his career. That dude's had more jerseys than I don't know what.
00:31:29
Speaker
But yeah, it gets a little bit murky. I don't even mind having, especially with Brexit and all that, I don't mind them having European clubs because that's trying to get work permits and stuff, but that's still a five-year development thing.
00:31:48
Speaker
which United have had in the past with the likes of Antwerp. So that's, say Tadebo and Taran that are at least right now, two highly rated players. Should United be gone for them?
00:32:02
Speaker
Yeah, I think the question marks only come in if it's odd. If they were going for 15 million a piece, that's a bit dodge. But if they end up, or say the two of them went for like 30 million and 45 million, that's a total of 75 or 80 million. That sounds about mark and rate, maybe a little bit less. That's okay.
00:32:26
Speaker
But then suddenly Dan Gore goes over to fucking Denise for 35 million. Then you hang on. Yeah. There's no way to regulate that though, because it's as a club owner, you set the fee. Plus there's the other thing as well as when the two of them are in Europe. Yeah. Well, this is where the way it's set up now is Sir James isn't a majority owner Manchester United.
00:32:53
Speaker
on purpose though because you know i'm sure i'm sure you want the whole king caboodle but i'm not sure the the two teams in europe real comes into play now because he's not majority owner he's not majority owner so realistically no matter even if the glazers even looking at it like if the glazers dipped out and he probably only ever won 49 because he can keep two clubs well it wasn't always the thing that the goal is to get the glazers out so not necessarily for him to take a higher percentage
00:33:21
Speaker
yeah but like that's the thing is like with like we are sort of starting the line right now that we he only owns 25% or whatever he has full control so yeah well he's the effective owner you know what i mean but what's funny is that's in the glazers interest like is in give him a quarter let him do all the hard yards and we'll reap the benefits of it down the line when they eventually do finally leave but like
00:33:48
Speaker
Well, within the framework, what's Brailsford's role within that structure? He's like not in the structure. He's just overseeing a wizard. He's a board member, I believe. Okay. So he's a director. Yeah. Is he the guy that's meant to be the head of football operations for the INEOS group where he's kind of keeping tabs on everything, making sure. That's the former event of CEO. What's?
00:34:14
Speaker
Okay. There's too many names going on right now. But actually one thing that I saw today that you're like in it is that this is very Sergym, is man united to calling Kenyan American runners and all black group these days as Sergym and Ineos look for marginal gains to transform the team's fortunes.
00:34:34
Speaker
I love that. Yeah, I'm a big fan of that as well. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I like that. A little bit, like a little bit more context here. They kind of transform cycling with the Sky team. Oh, God, yeah. I mean, no, that was there was a lot of therapeutic usage exemptions, like we discussed in the in the in the doping episode a while back. But no, like Dave Brailsford is
00:35:01
Speaker
what he did to cycling if he can even do a quarter of that to football. I think this is already going to happen and Anis as well, so this is why we'll be coming into the United. They said the Kenyan running coaches have been introduced to give tips to players on pace explosions and being quicker off the mark.
00:35:18
Speaker
And similarly, the all blacks were brought in to assist with treatment and prevention to stop muscle problems. It makes so much sense. It's painfully obvious. It's like, why aren't all these siloed roles that you're like, why didn't they have them before? It's like, Jesus.
00:35:42
Speaker
yeah it's so obvious you know and i think that's the great thing with ineos is it's like fair enough city have their football structure and stuff but ineos have a sport-wide structure like do you know what i mean they're involved in so many sports that if they can even take five percent from every sport what sort of gain that has for the club they come in with almost like a consultant like approach on streamlining process you know
00:36:07
Speaker
Have you seen the F1 training where they have the lads with the ropes and they're pulling the heads? Imagine how strong Harry Maguire's head is going to be. He will head through brick walls as it is. On him, actually. I saw a clip the other day. I don't know if it was on United Socials or where, but it was
00:36:27
Speaker
kind of Meguiar signing autographs outside the stadium and fans chanting his name and he kind of just starts smiling and you can just like fair play to the dude like I've rinsed him we've all rinsed him the whole world's rinsed him and to battle through that and kind of claw back is not even ability but his resiliency shown it's just phenomenal.
00:36:48
Speaker
that put a smile on my face. And I think when I saw that, I was instantly like, it was more like the 10 high decision, but whoever's decision that was in the club to take the captaincy away, as hard as that is to strip it off someone, like it's done the world a good, like, you know what I mean? Like he's not playing with the expectation of being the captain and I'm just, you know. I put it this way, if he was, if they hadn't have done that, I don't think he'd still be at the club.
00:37:13
Speaker
Oh no. I think it just shows that there's a clear balance between people that can handle being a captain and it's totally fine to not be able to handle it. But it's also, there's being captain in the Premier League and there's being the captain of Man United. That is arguably the top five hardest clubs to be a captain at in the world. They're definitely in there.
00:37:38
Speaker
And to be fair, we should have had this period of the club's history. Just to kind of bring it back to a point from earlier, so it seems that Dan Ashworth is going to be the director of football.
00:37:52
Speaker
Is that actually going to happen? Because I've been seeing that Newcastle are quite confident in the strength of their contract and there could be a gardening leave of up to a year. Well, Fabrizio Romano has said that Ashworth has said yes, that he has to work it out with the club on the exit strategy. Could that be six months, 12 months, two months? Or do United just have to pay out the nose? That's what I think it'll be.
00:38:20
Speaker
My understanding is he, I just told this, he told Newcastle on Monday that he wanted to leave, flat out told him. The clubs actually haven't communicated yet, but that's going to be soon. But the part where United is like, oh, we're not going to pay any fee, we're not going to play.
00:38:42
Speaker
that's just our mind games clubs are playing mind games each other i mean it's it's a we don't negotiate with terrorists kind of line like you're gonna do it like yeah like i knew i knew you as soon as i came out of my mouth i was like why did i say that but the thing about new castle is they don't need the money so they could say we want 30 mil and we let we'll give you them tomorrow
00:39:04
Speaker
Or they go, oh, well, we'll play at the 30 mil, we'll give us the 50 mil next. The thing is, do you want to fettle down on your club that doesn't want to be there? That's another thing, you know what I mean? And I think what will happen is, you know, I think, you know, I will pay probably, I heard six, but I think it'd be more like 10 millions probably for them. And I think the guy I didn't leave will be the summer. That's when all the new guys will come in the summer.
00:39:30
Speaker
Yeah, it's just so frustrating from a Newcastle perspective because like, obviously look, he's a phenomenal football brain. And I just, we, if we could have just had him for like another year or two, I think he really could have helped put us onto that next level because like, we're at a weird position up in Newcastle that
00:39:51
Speaker
Got Champions League this year probably was too soon for us. You know, we're a small, like, I mean, Newcastle in terms of as a club or a big club in terms of history or whatever. But we're now in that weird kind of, are we a 10th place club or are we a fourth club? What are we? And we really need someone like him to just help us figure that shit out. A steady figure to kind of go, well, this is how we're going to progress over the next couple of years. We're going to have a year out so that in two years time we're back and we're back in for two years in a row.
00:40:22
Speaker
Yeah, it's a very big, important role for a club in your position. Look at what he did with Brighton, and the doers that came after him with Brighton. There was a clear vision of going, right, we're going to get up, we're going to establish ourselves, and oh, why? We performed a little bit better, but we're still going to establish ourselves. We don't stray from the plan.
00:40:41
Speaker
And they've maintained that and will continue to maintain that to great success. And the market isn't exactly flush with people like that. That's what I mean. He's a one of one. I'm interested to hear from you guys. What do you think of how you attack them right now? The things that you know and have heard, what's your opinion of the situation?
00:41:06
Speaker
I'm obviously biased in what I think and I think like it's totally different but I'm interested to hear what you guys think. This is for me it's the first time since David Gill left that they've made a positive leadership decision and I think they're at least optically whether they get all the people they want it shows
00:41:31
Speaker
a level of consideration for the future that I don't think United have shown in a very long time and at least PR wise, I think it gives them a strength and solidifies Sergium as a serious operator within the landscape of English football.
00:41:50
Speaker
Yeah, I think I think it's proper football manager stuff. Like it's going ratings by five star make offers. See, I don't think it's that though, because there's plenty of five star dudes out there. But like, you know, there's there's not though, because most of them are signed up. And well, I think I think they've been and I don't mean that in a disparaging way. I mean, it's kind of gone. They've gone to look for the best.
00:42:18
Speaker
And they said, right, we like you. I want you. But I think the interesting fact is they were all signed up. You know what I mean? Like they could have gone and got like tried to convince Michael Edwards or
00:42:33
Speaker
or got a whatever your man is called but they've gone we want Dan Asher we don't care he's at Newcastle but I think that goes that goes back to what it used to be like with Man United where you know no like if Man United wants something it happened and that hasn't been like that for a while but this is the first time in a while that seems like that's happening and like on the five star kind of thing like the way I kind of view this is like say
00:43:00
Speaker
all the guys that they're looking at. So if you want to put it in a military kind of example, there's, you know, say, for number of seconds, say 300,000 soldiers in America, then there's the SEAL team, which is the 1% and the SEAL team six, which is the 1% of the 1%. And like, Dan Ashworth is that SEAL team six guy in a pool of other high performing SEALs, you know?
00:43:23
Speaker
I think the difference between this and maybe what could be implied when I say the five-star thing is that they've gone out and got the five-star rated guys but they've done it in a way that says I want you rather than just looking at a name or a five-star. It was like Monchi a few years ago when he went to Roma did amazing stuff at Sevilla, constant European Cup winners
00:43:51
Speaker
five star guy went to the wrong club. Wrong mix didn't work out. Roma were probably worse off after he left and not for lack of lack of nous and all that. But
00:44:08
Speaker
like this seems to be a lot more or like a lot more organic in the sense of kind of going right Ashworth we want you and we need it we want the five star recruitment guy oh well then you you two are up riding you know each other we'll put you two together and we're gonna it's a it's a lot lot better planned out and it's like
00:44:28
Speaker
In fairness, in football, really, really good planning like that isn't too common anymore. That's what I mean. Especially when you see the blue card thing that's meant to be coming out. Like that is planning. That is just not good in football. Do you have any opinion on blue cards yet? Nate, I think. Do you want to take this one first? Yeah, my shocking eyes are there. Oh, no. Oh, wow. I have a big ruby. Yeah.
00:44:58
Speaker
Obviously the yellow card system and that, whatever, 10 minutes in, man. I think it could spice it up, make games more spicy. But why have a yellow card, then, is my thing? You know what I mean? It's like either have a blue card and a red card. OK, I hate us, but thanks for having us. We'll give them a card. Yellow cards are caution, isn't it? Yellow cards are caution. Yeah, give them an actual caution. It's like a warning.
00:45:25
Speaker
A blue card would be the next step up. It's like you're making, you're committing fouls, but it's not a red card foul. Like, you know what I mean? Like- But like the fact that you could get like, I'm just thinking right, Joey Barton, okay. He'll get a yellow card 20 minutes in. He'll probably get a blue card like 50 minutes in. He'll come back at 60 minutes in and then probably get a second yellow. It just becomes farcical.
00:45:51
Speaker
you know. Well I think a yellow and a blue card is meant to be a red. Is that what they're thinking? I think so. Okay. I think if you define what a blue card is like red like when I say define I mean like black and white on paper like you know say to be honest I think a blatant dive is a blue card. That I could get on board with because that would get diving out of the game.
00:46:15
Speaker
I think that's, like if you can see a blank dive and I wouldn't even be able to check it, I think that should be a yellow card because I think that's deceit and whatever. And I think violent conduct that isn't like, do you know when like something happens, like they clash heads, but it's not a red type thing. Yeah, when they square up or whatever. They square up, put hands on each other, but I think that could be used as the same thing.
00:46:40
Speaker
See in these kind of things you have a habit of doing this to me that there's something I hate and you get me around to liking it. Like I do think there's a way that this can work like because it does work in other sports and I think it's like it's it's gone back to the thing with football it's a very pure sport it's a very sport that people like to
00:47:03
Speaker
I don't know if that's the right word or not but it's a sport that like there's never really much change and it's like this could be the thing that like you know gets in there all like Burnley and Crystal Palace to like a good watch you know what I mean? My thing is what it's like
00:47:24
Speaker
Maybe it's just managers being old codgers, but like, it's very rare that you get every manager in the league to agree on something. You know what I mean? And when you add up all the years that these lads have been managing, it has to say for speak for something like, I just think it's funny. It's almost contradiction what I was saying earlier where, you know, the NFL and American sports are so much further advanced.
00:47:57
Speaker
I don't see the need for it. I think either, like I said, I think we're fine as is. Football's worked pretty damn well for, I don't know how long at this point, but the other thing that worries me is IFAB, the people who are coming up with this idea, are the ones that came up with the latest handball rule, which is the worst and hardest to understand rule. I don't even know what a handball is anymore. I don't know about you guys, but I just don't trust those guys. So if it's coming from them,
00:48:15
Speaker
And then I'm saying, let's not change things in this class.
00:48:27
Speaker
the you know the thing that like like i feel like people have a real problem with change i think that's just a general thing with people is especially irish people well like let's try it like you know what i mean like let's try it and i think one thing that
00:48:44
Speaker
VAR is even in right now. There's too many decisions that they can't give because it's not conclusive enough to overturn it. So why can't that fit into a blue card area? There's so many things in the game where you go, oh, where's the card for that? They've overstepped the bound too much here.
00:49:03
Speaker
But it's also important to see where all you think this is coming from is they're trying to think about it in rugby. When a guy gets sin binned, how many times does the camera pan over to him? It fills time. They make more of a show and dance about the sin bin than the actual game, and that takes away from the game for me.
00:49:21
Speaker
Like I like the, like, you know, in America or in ice hockey, it works because they usually box, they each like box the face off each other. So like, I think it works in certain sports. And it's not that I'm trying to, you know, never change football. I just don't know if it works.
00:49:39
Speaker
Do you know how it works in Ruby now? This could be interesting in terms of VR as well. If you get a yellow card in Ruby, which would be a blue card in football, you go to the same bit, but your challenge or whatever goes to the bunker.
00:49:58
Speaker
The bunker is basically VAR. Okay. Where they have the chance to either upgrade it to a red card or keep it as a yellow. And they won't downgrade it now. So if the referee decides that's a sim bin, yeah? Yeah. On the pitch. The VAR then happens off the pitch without anybody seeing it.
00:50:19
Speaker
It's like there's no big stop and play to like review stuff. You go up the bin regardless and it can only be worse for you based on this VAR. But this is where rugby is helped by being able to stop the clock. It never feels like too bad. But like on the whole kind of new rule thing though, I think in the last, since the Premier League came in,
00:50:44
Speaker
Maybe a little bit after that. I think people have become way, way, way too resistant to change. Cards were only brought in in the 70s. Which is wild. Up until, what was it? Euro 92 or something like that? Or 88? You were able to do the back pass and that's how Denmark
00:51:02
Speaker
won it because they just basically held on to the ball for the whole game. And like, they didn't even qualify for that euros. Fun fact. Yeah, I was going to say I wasn't sure if I was right about that, but yeah. Yeah, they didn't qualify it. It was the collapse of the Soviet Union that ended up or the check, maybe Czechoslovakia, one of that that era and they got in on a pass.
00:51:26
Speaker
and they were able to do that and that rule changed and it was for the better and I'm sure there would have been opponents to that like I think what's actually going against the blue card right now is won the name it sounds a bit dumb I would I would just quicker just rebrand the yellow card yeah that was just about to say just keep it simple like
00:51:43
Speaker
Yeah, but like it's that like I think it's good just to have still have the two class. You're either like I disagree. I think you need to have a caution. No, I think caution is having a having a word. Put your name in a little book. I don't think any. Oh, you're going in the G.A. route a little bit. Just kind of going. Yeah, because one of the things I never liked about a caution is.
00:52:06
Speaker
you can like there could be a tackle where it should be a yellow card because on the face of it but it's very early in the game a lot of lad was a little bit hit up he doesn't need to be on the verge of like one more accidental tackle or a flying elbow or something like that and he's gone off the pitch it was just a little bit
00:52:25
Speaker
like what referees used to do? Was that kind of like listen? Have a chat, yeah. Yeah, I think that's all it needs to be and then just like make the yellow card a sim bin, which I think the idea is great. The cynic in me would abuse that. So like say if I know I'm just getting a blue card for a sim bin, you can go in
00:52:48
Speaker
do a bad tackle that's not like red bad you're not doing too you're not doing studs up to the knee but you're doing them do it getting someone off the pitch and you're only 10 minutes in the bin you'll be back and then you know you mentioned but you mentioned Joey Barton earlier yeah what that famous city
00:53:06
Speaker
Premier League winning game against... Oh, he needs someone and... Where he said, well, if I'm going to go off, I'm going to take someone off with me. It's happening anyway. So like, I think it's a kind of a moot point. I don't think we're going to see it in the Premier League anytime soon. And one lad that we're not going to see in the Premier League probably anytime soon is poor Roy Hodgson, who seems to be getting the sack from Crystal Palace car.
00:53:32
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's not Sky Sports confirmed or wide media confirmed, but our powerful retail is calling it that Hodgson has lost his job and will be replaced by Oliver Glassner with immediate effect. Glassner is former Eintracht boss and contract until 2026.
00:53:58
Speaker
all done for ahead of the Chelsea game. So, you know, I really like Roy Hodgson. I come in, to be honest with you, when he came back, I think he stayed too long. I think he, it's 76 to be managing at the top level is, that's unheard of, like, you know. Do you want the fun fact that I promised you this earlier? Oh yeah, what is it? Roy Hodgson started managing with Homstead in Sweden the same year that Diego Maradona started playing as a professional.
00:54:27
Speaker
whoa that is wild jesus that's crazy yeah so just put in context the length of his career what so he's easy so he's 76 so he's probably been coaching since he was what like 20 he was young yeah he was pretty young jesus that's like 50 years of coaching like like i mean i do think what i did what i don't like in 76 that's mental what i don't what i don't like about these people in 72
00:54:56
Speaker
it was 0.72 yeah i'm quite angered by this by Roy Woodson getting sacked he shouldn't have came back in the first place i think they've done them severely dirty you should have went in the summer you shouldn't have stayed on that's what i'm saying yeah i think you should have come back for that period and then gone look i did what i did i'm i'm dipping out like
00:55:17
Speaker
Yeah, but the ownership didn't make that decision. I think they done them severely dirty. They begged for them to come back to help them out, came back, helped them out, and then they've done that to eat the sack of them. Just go to them and just go, come on, we're part ways. Don't go to Sacking Root, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's not great. It's not a great elk. I think that's severely dirty. You don't sack them and let's come back and do it. See, the only thing there, and I think possibly the only reason for that, I agree with you, it's bad form.
00:55:47
Speaker
If they mutually part ways, they don't have to pay his contract out. But if they sack him, he gets his money.
00:55:55
Speaker
They should have a bit of decency though to go like, we're just going to call it a mutual agreement to pay anyway. Here's your money. Yeah. Like he, at the end of the day, he came back from his retirement to help them out. It wasn't the other way around. And on the age point as well to put in perspective where he's at, like, you know, this, this afternoon during training, he ended up having to be, he fell ill and is in hospital. Apparently, according again to Fabrizio, he's stable.
00:56:25
Speaker
and T's and P's with Roy Hodgson, but like, you know, what goes with a role like that is not for a, like, if you look at Klopp and he's exhausted, like, what the hell at 76 can you expect? Like, I mean, it's, I'm almost glad they've got rid of him because Christ, you know, he can't keep going at that. Like, he'd just drop at some point.
00:56:47
Speaker
Oh, let's do a very quick quiz. Can you name all of the clubs that Roy Hodgson has managed? Not a chance. Not a chance. Okay, we've got Liverpool, we've got Palace, we've got, was he a Fulham?
00:57:02
Speaker
He was, yeah, he got to the European Cup final. Yeah. Okay. So he's got that Swedish team you mentioned. Uh, Inter Milan, he was only, he was like, was he manager or was he? No, he was a manager and then he was a caretaker manager after. Yeah. Okay. Um, Oh, okay. Give me a country. You have a couple of more in England. You have a couple more in England. Yeah.
00:57:29
Speaker
Oh god, I'm getting it out. That's about it. I got more. Yeah, I got more there than I thought I would. Who gives a hint? Two of them are beginning with W. Watford. Yes. Watford. Okay. Wagon. No. Watford Wagon. And the other two are beginning with B. B?
00:57:58
Speaker
What kind of level are we talking here? Currently the between Championship League one. Oh, I don't stand a chance. No, I'll give you two of them. Bristol City and Blackburn. Oh, Blackburn. I should have known that. That one's annoyed me. The other English club was West Brom before England. Yeah.
00:58:25
Speaker
Um, but we also have going in chronological order or the vault. Oh, Robo and Malmo all in great pronunciation. I'll give you that. Uh, then there was jamax in, uh, Switzerland, you know, the X team. Uh, then there was the Swiss national team and inter Blackburn, inter again, grasshoppers. Oh yeah. I knew that one. Yeah. Um,
00:58:54
Speaker
Copenhagen.
00:59:01
Speaker
the UAE national team. That I didn't know. Yeah. When was that? 2002-2003. How big was this tax bill that year? You know, they needed to go out there. Then he went to Viking. It's Norwegian. And then he was the Finnish national team manager. Then Fulham, Liverpool, West Brom, England, Palace, Watford Palace. His poor wife has been dragged to every corner of the world. Like, are we taught Anelka was bad? Christ.
00:59:31
Speaker
I would defend him more if he didn't try to play Roberto Carlos as a left winger. Don't forget, he was managing Roberto Carlos at Inter Milan. There needs to be a full on documentary on Roy Hudson with that kind of jokes aside like that.
00:59:46
Speaker
But that kind of a record, you need to have a documentary. But somebody else who needs to have a documentary because of their ridiculous record is Harry Kane ruining Kingsley Coleman's ridiculous record. The two of them have a ridiculous record, which is Kingsley Coleman has never had a season where he hasn't won a title.
01:00:01
Speaker
This is a disgrace, by the way. In all honesty, that should be a term in a contract, I think. You're going to do Kingsley that dirty. This fella was going to go his whole career. We went on a trophy every season. And it's just, it's been, yeah. You know what the most ironic thing, and I saw this on Twitter just before we hopped on, that so he's probably going to get top goal score in the Bundesliga.
01:00:29
Speaker
And the trophy for that is a cannon. And what's a cannon? Arsenal's crest. Like it's the most shithouse re-thing in the world. I adore it. I'm just saying, thank God Manchester United did not get him because the entire region thing would be in shambles. We never win again. Yeah. Just put this into the ether so it exists. So if it happens, you can all blame me. Yeah.
01:00:54
Speaker
Bayern don't win a trophy for the first time since 1452, which gets their manager the sack, Kane stays on, Jose Mourinho gets hired, gets them to a European Cup final and loses with Harry Kane then moving back to the Premier League.
01:01:13
Speaker
I mean, stranger things have happened. I do think regardless of whether he wins two Bundesligas, like they're not that far behind. It's like, you know, it's definitely been in reach, but I think regardless, he'll come back to the Premier League at some point. He wants that record. He wants Scheer's record bad. We agree though. Jose needs to be back in a top level job.
01:01:35
Speaker
Posey, like I said, when we were talking recently, I'd take him up at Newcastle. He needs a job. And not even for the comedy value of him, he's a winner.
01:01:49
Speaker
I think a Newcastle is a really, really good level for him because I like what he did with Roma. I think he needs a cult of personality around them. He needs a culture that he can, he can. He needs to be bigger than the club. Yeah. I think he needs to be bigger than the club. I don't think he could ever go back to Madrid now or reunited because it's too big.
01:02:08
Speaker
it's going to exist without him. Whereas I think he likes to have this kind of, like you did with Roma, where for that brief period, if you went to Italy and went to Rome, as far as they're concerned, the city could burn, but as long as Jose was okay, that's all that mattered. And I think it was like Rafa at Newcastle, it was that kind of like,
01:02:28
Speaker
he was bigger than the club and that got the best out of him and I got the best out of the club and I think that's if he went to like that's why I think if he was to get the Portuguese national job that'd be a really good fit although apparently back in 2007 he turned in England which I didn't think it'd be the right move for I didn't think the England one would have been the right move for him because I think again
01:02:50
Speaker
It's one of them jobs that... Poison chalice. Yes, swallows you up because the Brits be out of like... That's why I was... Portugal too. Yeah, but the only thing is he says a lot of things, you know what I mean? So like, what's true in this? But I think he'd be bored stiff as Portuguese manager, even though I'm sure he'll do it at some point in his career. But I think he's got one big club left in him before he does that.
01:03:20
Speaker
He'd be bigger than the club because of how much of a shambles that club was. That'd be interesting. I think people forget that he was there before, because I've seen a lot online where... Oh, I forgot that, yeah. Him in his tracksuit with his long black or his thick black hair, yeah. Wasn't he basically Bobby Robson's translator? Yeah, that's what it was, yeah. Which, going back to the Newcastle link,
01:03:46
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Just saying it would be kind of a match made in heaven, if not international football, which I think is ultimately going to be his future. But just before we end up on international football, nations league draw, where are we going to finish? Bottom or second bottom? Oh, uh, I'll put it this way. I'll happily finish bottom if we can win against England at home. Nate.
01:04:10
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um bottom but if Steve bruises there a second because apparently the whole thing is that Lee Carisley it's dotting the i's and crossing the t's well Shaye Gibbons saying Shaye Gibbons saying it's not he's saying he can't see it but like the people are saying that it's not Carisley like three people have come in the last day and said i i i think the only thing about
01:04:33
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them is a lot of them are former footballers and like look at given his wife doesn't even know what a vaccine is let alone him being able to call whether it's a guy that he never really played with is going to take a managerial job. It'd be like me trying to say the fucking cleaning lady from my job four years ago I know exactly what move she's going to make. Brian Curz said today that he's pretty much like her does. I think the sticking point is the movement Ireland thing. I think Curzley has absolutely no interest in that.
01:05:02
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I think it'd be different for him because he's so close. I think as long as he'd be willing to accept Ireland as a base, I think that's what they want. They just kind of want to run out of there. So what that really means is who is your assistant going to be? Because if he can stay in Birmingham where he likes or that general area and then has an assistant based in Dublin, well, that's the best of both worlds. I think that's their big thing is they don't want just to have an internet management crew.
01:05:32
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Yeah. Where it's just, there's nobody here. And if you look at it with Stephen Kenny, he was the reverse. He was the one that was in Ireland while his, a lot of his internet. What do you think Kilian, where do you think we finished? Bottom second bottom.
01:05:49
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I think we're gonna finish. Second bottom on goal difference on one point. I think we can steal a point against the finish considering they have a load of our Irish players and hopefully they'll have the bad luck that we have.
01:06:10
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01:06:35
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We're pretty good at this podcast thing, you know what I mean? I wouldn't go that far. But I will go as far as to say as it's been a very enjoyable evening, gentlemen. Thank you very much for sticking with us to our listeners and we'll chat you again soon. Bye bye. I'm not into podcasts.
01:07:04
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Back of the night.