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Is Erik ten Hag on death row after recent chaos? ⚖️ Who’s winning the Premier League vs Manchester City legal battle? 🏆 Is the Super League still lurking in the shadows? 👀 Are Ireland set for another international heartbreak? 🇮🇪 Don’t miss the drama unfolding!
Transcript
Introduction and Setting the Scene
00:00:17
killianginnity
Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Not A Pundit podcast. It is spooky season. My name's Gillian Ginnity and delighted to be joined by the haunted Nathan Byrne. And don't call him a Frankenstein, Connor Glennon. Gentlemen, how are we doing?
Challenges Facing Man United
00:00:32
Conor Glennon
I'm doing well. I think haunted's a good one for a Man United fan this this time of the year. It's a, you know, I think you know Newcastle drawing at Everton's bad, but I think 10 Hags having a bit of a worse day than me.
00:00:44
Conor Glennon
i you might
00:00:46
Nate
He's coming for me already. He is. No, I'm good. I'm good. I'm excited. I'm back. I had to take a break last week. I was i was ill, but I'm back and looking forward to the show.
00:00:57
killianginnity
How are you feeling?
00:00:58
Nate
I'm feeling better.
00:00:58
killianginnity
You back to?
00:00:59
Nate
I'm feeling, yeah, reenergized.
00:01:01
killianginnity
Good stuff. Now, obviously you listened into the podcast last week. We were honest about Man United, shall we say. and What was your impressions of the conversation overall?
00:01:15
Nate
Um, yeah, I thought it was fair. Um, I think there's two sides to the story. Um, but yeah, I thought it was fair. Um, it was, listen, you can only be so honest i can hired right now.
00:01:28
Nate
We're 14th in the Premier League. So, um, it's, it's not, oh, I don't even know.
00:01:31
killianginnity
We're starving, how long?
00:01:35
Nate
Um, yeah, so you can, we can only be so honest with it. Um, but yeah, no, it was good. How are you?
00:01:42
killianginnity
I'm good. Sunland are just clasps, so like it it's it's it's great. um I think people are finally starting to jump on the whole, let's try and get as many Sunland players into the Ireland squad as possible, which I'm all here for. Dennis Serkin, Joe Bellingham, lads, just let's do it. Let's just do it. Nate, obviously, last week we were less than kind of out of the ten-hag situation.
00:02:11
killianginnity
That hasn't left the news though. um What's this meeting that I've seen one night on Twitter today?
00:02:17
Conor Glennon
um And why didn't I get an invite?
00:02:20
Nate
where We're not important enough, unfortunately. and it was Yeah, it was a meeting that was kind of planned for months, just a regular board meeting, but I feel like it's been a bit of a...
00:02:32
Nate
the media have taken it and sort of ran with it and got like, ooh, managers.
00:02:35
killianginnity
I'm shocked by that.
00:02:37
Nate
Managers, yeah, you don't see that very much, do you, Hila? But yeah, it was like, oh, manager not doing very well. Bored meeting on Monday. They're going to sack the manager. And yeah, it's half eight on Tuesday and he still hasn't been sacked.
00:02:52
Nate
So yeah, still got a bit like smoke and mirrors, but I am at the point now where I wouldn't be surprised if he stays, if he goes, so um I'm just warm riding away.
00:03:04
killianginnity
So the pressure is on, but this particular and incident was just unfortunate timing for the for the conversation rather than it being an indication of anything.
00:03:15
Nate
Well, yeah, like, but it's also, it is the perfect time to sack a manager if you are going to sack a manager, two weeks.
00:03:15
killianginnity
Nice.
00:03:22
killianginnity
Mm.
00:03:24
Conor Glennon
And this is what Robbie was saying. you know and Looking into the international break, it's it's a pretty nothing burger time to to to get it done. and you know But he can be gone and out of the club by the time the players come back. But I do think you're right. I think it's six and one a half a dozen of the other. And the fact that you know it was probably a normally scheduled board meeting. But then I do think Radcliffe didn't handle the media side of things too spectacularly when he's going down the road, the road of, oh, I like Eric and we'll see how the meeting goes. And, you know, it's, it's, is he trying to kind of bring heat to it or like, what's, like, what's your sense
Man United Management and Leadership Issues
00:03:59
Conor Glennon
of Radcliffe? Obviously you're, you're tired of the clubs and either of us would ever be, but is that just kind of niceties or does he actually believe in them?
00:04:08
Nate
So I think he was actually trying to cool the situation by saying that because most of the fans want Derek gone. So he very much was like, yeah, we'll see what happens in the meeting. and And to me, that was to more cool things down. and I got her from talking to me, but the way and Jim Markcliff is, I don't think he's Eric's biggest fan.
00:04:33
Conor Glennon
Okay.
00:04:33
Nate
And I think he would stack up. It's just he has a leadership in place now. So it's not really his decision to do it. So no when you put a leadership team in, it's it's got to be a group decision at that point.
00:04:42
Conor Glennon
Doesn't he not sit at the top of that decision tree though, or is he kind of church and state a little bit with it?
00:04:53
Nate
And
00:04:53
Conor Glennon
That's who Omar Barada, Dave Brailsford, or Sir Dave Brailsford, should I say, and Ashworth is he in that conversation too?
00:04:59
Nate
yeah yeah um yeah so and the glazers as well um yeah they're at the meet today so um the in terms of what happens i don't really know two shows getting linked again um this and that
00:05:05
Conor Glennon
Oh, I didn't realize they're in that. Oh.
00:05:19
Conor Glennon
but who this who This podcast really promoted for a good while.
00:05:19
killianginnity
You're a great guy.
00:05:23
Nate
I, Touche will excite me. Like, I've been very complimentary of Touche will over over the years, or over this idea that he's been sort of linked in around United.
00:05:35
Nate
So he'd be my go to personally. And we'll
00:05:40
Conor Glennon
Can you guys afford to get rid of them? It's something we touched on last week. And you know you're talking they've got to 25 million quid including staff to get rid of them. like Is that even feasible right now?
00:05:49
Nate
ah yeah yeah I believe it is. and it's It's not a PSO issue, so it's more just whether did they want to spend it or not.
00:05:54
Conor Glennon
OK. Cash flow. Yeah.
00:05:59
Nate
It's done today with PSO, according to a lot of people. I've been talking about it. and So yeah, I'm sort of st stuck in the middle. and I personally think it might be time for Eric to go.
00:06:13
Nate
and I wish no ill will towards him. I think he's done the best job that he could have done in circumstances. And I think the position we're sort of in has been sort of created through a lot of uncertainty over the year.
00:06:31
Nate
And so I wouldn't be against getting rid of very tonight. But I'm not, but I'm not
00:06:36
Conor Glennon
And with the, with the, with the Rude van Isseroy side of things, you know, I'm hearing a lot of noise on both sides of the camp going, well, we're just looking into an Ollie 2.0 here. If we jump back in, what's the point and get rid? Like a lot of the pundits are saying that, you know, 10 hags are better manager or sorry, a better coach than maybe Rude van Isseroy is, but Rude is the better man for the job at the current time.
00:07:00
Nate
Listen, I love Ruud as a manager. I'd be singing the song every week.
00:07:03
Conor Glennon
And is is that just from a standpoint of view though, or is
00:07:05
Nate
That's from a fan point of view. If it was between him and Tujal, I'd pick Tujal every day of the week. and Just purely because I think he's the best man for the job currently.
00:07:16
Nate
and I wouldn't be against Ruud because I think it would bring a bit of fear back into our dressing room. and he's what It's the same thing in terms of Ali, where Ali was a bit of a nice guy, but if Rude was manager, the fans are picking Rude every day of the week.
00:07:34
Nate
Do you
00:07:34
Conor Glennon
yeah and But like I always don't get me wrong, I adore seeing ex-players come back and and and kind of be involved in the club perspective if it's the right thing. you know i I really hope one day we see Michael Carrick in that dugout.
00:07:48
Conor Glennon
But i for some reason, although Rude hasn't had you know extensive experience, like I know he was head coach of PSV and that's that's no nothing and he he got some trophies while over there, but ah is it a case of it's a bit,
00:07:54
Nate
know what I mean?
00:08:01
Conor Glennon
A bit ollish on paper, but because of his persona, it might actually work.
00:08:08
Nate
I actually don't think it's obvious at all. and I think he's a lot more experienced than people think he is. and I think he got a real good tune out at our PSV so I had them over exel excelling in a league that that they weren't favorites, you know what I mean? and He won two trophies with them, which is is already better than, say, all he did at the time. And like he he has a real desire. like I admired that he was willing to come in as a coach, you know what I mean? It wasn't any an ego thing or anything like that. So like I wouldn't be against rude.
00:08:49
Nate
I'm at the point where I'm starting to think there's a culture issue at United where the last two games I've seen things that I don't like out of this team where it's like play like players trying, players aren't putting in a shift.
00:09:00
Conor Glennon
Dig into that. What are we saying with that?
00:09:05
Nate
like That's the bare minimum we need.
00:09:06
Conor Glennon
And do you think that's a case of the dressing room is is gone? Like the the managers lost the dressing room. So they're like, let's just get this guy gone. Or do you think it's generally, I've given up on this club. but
00:09:20
Nate
I think it's to do with the manager, but it's still unacceptable regardless. like The bare minimum of you playing for Manchester United, as will every other club's fans say, is you put a shift in when you're on the pitch. I'm to the point now where i need I need to see someone go in, and I think Touche and Roode would have this, where it's I'm running the show like I'm running the show and Rude Morr so I think could you imagine some of these players that don't put a shift in we're picking Rude about his story every day of the week he came to this club and proved himself you know I mean he's he's a laser legend like
00:09:53
Conor Glennon
One of the things that really sold me, one of the things that really sold me, and sorry to cut across you, is is that I saw, now I hate Rio Ferdinand and myself. ah There goes our chance of an interview with him. and But ah he had a chat with Van Nisseroy, I think, for TNT. And you see Van Nisseroy talking about how he never expected to get that opportunity. And the excitement in his face when he got that call. And you can give me as much media training as you want. that To me, that was genuine kind of,
00:10:22
Conor Glennon
a sense of belonging at the club and that's one hell of a starter for years to get the job.
00:10:28
Nate
Yeah, like I think that's the big thing. I'm always torn about the Ollie thing, yeah? Because we didn't play the best football. We weren't... We shouldn't want a trophy under them. We weren't the best on the pitch that we've ever been, all right? But damn them three years were some ride. I'll tell you that. There's just something special about your own club, Legends.
00:10:59
Nate
being manager. like it's It's hard to say, but if it was between Rude and Two Shot, I'd pick Two Shot.
00:11:06
Conor Glennon
Do you think Rude would stay if Tushil takes it? Would he stay in that capacity as assistant?
00:11:12
Nate
i I don't know. That would be a Two Shot thing.
00:11:15
killianginnity
if he doesn't it puts a major question mark over every coaching hire going forward as a kind of like oh if you're hiring this person as a coach are you bringing them in to be your next manager because obviously he's promised rude that he was going to be the next manager like i think i think it'd be a dangerous precedent precedent to set if he was to instantly leave and like if if tushul doesn't come out and say oh no i want my guys and unfortunately that meant people had to leave
00:11:26
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:11:42
Conor Glennon
See, I think that leadership group comes into question then, again, because it's not only did you back a manager for another season that didn't work out, you brought in an assistant coach that potentially leaves too. It's like, what is your plan here, boys, then? You know?
00:11:56
Nate
Yeah, but I'm sure that's all the discussions that are ongoing. No one knows whether Touche will want to keep or want to get rid of him if he was to come in. and yeah Yeah, it's a tough one. One thing I'll say for sure is I do not want another interim manager at Manchester United.
00:12:15
Nate
Like, I
00:12:16
Conor Glennon
So if Ru gets it, you want him given, he
Premier League Rules and Financial Dynamics
00:12:18
Conor Glennon
would just give it to him, like.
00:12:18
Nate
just gave it to them on the spot because I'll tell you, there's nothing worse than, well, is that two or three times now that we've had an interim manager?
00:12:26
Nate
Like, does the six months become pointless. Like, like literally pointless. and So, yeah, i' um I'm in a tough spot. I think it's probably time to courtize with Eric, but I'm not one that's gunning for his head, if that makes sense.
00:12:42
Conor Glennon
No, that makes sense. I mean, you know, one of the points that I saw during in the week that actually made me think a little bit differently about the situation. ah Maybe this is a 10 high problem. Maybe it's that cultural issue you're talking about. But Gary Lineker was saying that, you know, he thinks the reason that a lot of the signings of the last five, six years, regardless of the matter, haven't worked out is because there's no clear system. So you're buying these players that are meant to fit into a system that no one knows what it is, what at least if you're a Brighton or a Brentford or even a Spurs for that fact, you know the kind of football you're going to play. So therefore, you know, the kind of player you need to play that football while with the likes of insert any player you guys have bought in the last five, six years. There's no real reason for them coming in apart from having had a good career or showing some prospect, you know.
00:13:32
Nate
yeah i think like that is an issue but i think that's an issue that wasn't like that was an issue created by darkness around the globe by people running in the globe at the time in terms of yeah yeah
00:13:46
killianginnity
In fairness, that's an issue that's been fixed already by getting in the likes of Dan Ashworth. Like, he's only he's only in the door, so like, it may have been fixed. We don't know yet, but it may have been fixed.
00:13:56
Nate
true yeah um but like i can my the big thing i've taken from the last two games and i'll say it again is these players and it's a culture thing i'm like i'm convinced because it's happened under four managers now is when the going gets hard they do not graft like i like i don't care if you don't believe in the manager or what you go out and put in a shift for the club for the fans to pay the money to come and watch you like it's such a simple thing in my head that i really don't understand it and and i think they need someone in that job that the players fear now that
00:14:38
Conor Glennon
I totally agree, Jen. And and you know I think Tenhag really doesn't help himself in these circumstances because like we all look at that game and anyone can see that the players aren't trying. But you know in the media, he comes out, he being Tenhag saying, it's our fourth clean sheet this season. You can see we had very good organization and togetherness. I'm sorry, that's just what are you saying? Like
The Super League Debate
00:15:00
Conor Glennon
help yourself, man.
00:15:02
Nate
yeah the thing is like you can only say so much at number two is yeah i get what you mean but i think he's he's stuck between a rock and a hard place in terms of burning bridges and telling the very honest truth
00:15:08
Conor Glennon
Say nothing if you're going to say that. it
00:15:11
killianginnity
You said it best when you said nothing at all.
00:15:26
Conor Glennon
So go on, like obviously we're into the international break, so Ten High somehow manages to survive that boardroom. What do you think the next couple of months look like? Are we every week, if you guys get a draw or a loss? Are we going, today's the day, today's the day? Or do you think it it'll be accepted that he's got a lease till Jan?
00:15:47
Nate
and
00:15:49
Nate
To be honest, I don't know. and
00:15:54
Nate
Yeah, I really don't like, I don't know. Like if they want to sack them, you sack them now. If not, I think that's another mistake from the leadership team. If you go on in two games time, you sack them then.
00:16:05
Nate
It's like, you got to pick or choose now. It's the perfect opportunity.
00:16:11
Conor Glennon
One final point on on on that leadership group, you know, ah of I've been reading a lot on Twitter that there's some defense of the C-suite people being like, they've only been in place since July and it's only October.
00:16:11
Nate
But yeah.
00:16:22
Conor Glennon
Do you think that's a bit of a cop out or do you think it's a case of like, as in in football, you need to get it right right from the minute go or as a fan, you kind of like, yeah, look, it's the only couple of months into the job to still find their feet.
00:16:35
Nate
Um, no, I think they're only like, I'd be on the side that they're only a couple of months in, find their feet, like only six or seven game weeks into this season. Like like it does, but like we're literally only that far in.
00:16:45
Conor Glennon
Feels a hell of a lot longer than that, doesn't it boys?
00:16:50
Nate
So like, I feel like it's unfair to judge them, but regardless, they're going to be judged now after this. So like they got to, they got to make a decision one way or another. And personally.
00:17:03
Nate
If you keep that high, you need to, I'm on the side that you need to come out and make a statement. Saying we're back, we're we're back in the manager.
00:17:08
Conor Glennon
In what way?
00:17:10
Nate
like
00:17:11
Conor Glennon
Jesus, you need to be brave to do that.
00:17:14
killianginnity
that's all always gone down well before like that's usually the death knell for our coaches no no we're backing them we're backing them and then two weeks later
00:17:22
Conor Glennon
And then 20 minutes later, you hear a leg grease flowing into Manchester airport. like
00:17:26
Nate
ah and the la are Oh, Jesus Christ.
00:17:32
killianginnity
No, I don't think he's Leroy Rose Sr. 15 minute of Torquay. I don't think he's like that bad. um
00:17:37
Nate
What do you think it is? Roots? Tusho? Tenai? What do you think about the whole situation?
00:17:43
killianginnity
i I think Ten Hag is done. um I think, like like I said last week, it's the Steve Bruce thing. I'm the last but bad feeling around the place, whether or not it's true.
00:17:56
Conor Glennon
I think that was the best way to to summarize it, because I do think if he goes, that will be it.
00:18:00
killianginnity
Yeah, because it's the last real overhang of pre-Racliff, where it's like actually tangible difference making. I think Touche is the only way to go. I think Rude It'd be just pure and utter vibes, but I think it would be interim only. and Because if you continue with the way you used to go on an even finished 10th, no matter who's in the hot seat, heads will have to roll. So just get the guy who
00:18:36
killianginnity
will maybe get you up to eighth, um but will almost certainly guarantee some level of success in the in the next season, whereas his Brood would still be a bit of an unknown.
00:18:48
killianginnity
um Plus, does he lot really align with what Ashworth wants to play and the players that he's going to sign? I don't know.
00:18:56
Conor Glennon
Regardless of manager, regardless of manager, the interest to get your opinion for a circadian and then on to naive, but three years time, where am I united?
00:18:56
killianginnity
But with two children, you kind of know what you're getting.
00:19:08
Conor Glennon
Don't even, don't even, we're not even saying who the manager is. Where do you think they are?
00:19:11
killianginnity
Yeah, I think the best they could hope for is Tottenham right now, where you're you kind of, you might get top two, or you might get fifth, maybe a sixth, usually a fourth.
00:19:17
Conor Glennon
I agree with you.
00:19:25
Conor Glennon
at worst. Yeah, yeah i I totally ah totally agree.
00:19:27
killianginnity
It's anywhere. And I think that's more to do with kind of the competitiveness of the upper end of the Premier League rather than um a criticism of United explicitly. um Now, it could be could be a bit different considering and some of the court cases that went on the last week, and that there might be not as much competition or a whole lot more. It could go either way, and but we'll touch on that a little bit later. But yeah, I think it's it's going to be a bouncing up and down between kind of like, yeah, we're really happy and kind of going, we just missed out.
00:20:03
Conor Glennon
Nate, what are you saying?
00:20:06
Nate
and I'll say this, I think we'll win the league next for you.
00:20:11
Conor Glennon
Oh, you can clip that one.
00:20:12
Nate
You can say what you want in this lab but when Radcliffe comes in and he hires the level of expertise yeah that he hires and is clearly willing to spend the money, it's
00:20:13
killianginnity
so
00:20:14
Conor Glennon
Oh, okay.
00:20:30
Nate
Like, it's the bare minimum. We need to win the league and that's for us. I, the CEO, the CEO the e of Calm Out has said that we need to win the league by 2028.
00:20:33
Conor Glennon
Well, it's the bare minimum, but I don't think it's feasible.
00:20:41
Nate
I'm back, I'm back and for that. And like, yeah, I'm back for that.
00:20:48
Conor Glennon
You know, when, you know, one start I saw that really shows the place that United are in at the moment. So with Kobe main is withdraw from the England squad. It means there are no man United players in the three-line squad for the first time since 1976.
00:21:03
Conor Glennon
If that's not a drop off, I don't know what is.
00:21:04
killianginnity
yeah
00:21:06
Nate
But lads, let me say this, it's bad right now, yeah? We've had a bad start to the season, but I think people think it's a lot worse than it actually is. Like, we still have to...
00:21:15
Conor Glennon
Because you're man united, you know. it you know
00:21:17
Nate
We still got a very good squad. We won the won the League Cup the year before. It's like just not as bad as people are.
00:21:29
Nate
They're hitting the alarm bells now, going over 14th after six or seven games.
00:21:35
Conor Glennon
See, I think you know United of old to people are used to going, should the League Cup's for young lads?
00:21:36
Nate
Let's take a jib.
00:21:42
Conor Glennon
you know we were sure that's That's just a nice one to add on to whatever we want already that season. you know
00:21:47
Nate
Yeah, but it's more than we've won, well, pretty far.
00:21:50
Conor Glennon
Oh, i totally I totally agree with you. I think that's just the perception of, of you know, I think anyone who's over the age of 30 thinks of the League Cup and Man United as a trinket, really.
00:21:56
Nate
But like we.
00:22:01
Nate
Well, we, well, we, we better go to new classes.
00:22:02
killianginnity
Congratulations, bros.
00:22:03
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:22:05
Nate
I had an ethical final number one, or sorry, an ethical final.
00:22:06
Conor Glennon
and no no for No for that. we don't need We don't need to bring that one up.
00:22:09
Nate
Oh, what we did, do we did, yeah? Like, we did. And and we better rivals in the FA Cup final last year. Like, that shocked me so much. Like, I don't know why it's then, in a matter of what, eight to 10 weeks, we start hitting the panic button and going, oh, we're done for, like, I don't i don't think it's as bad as people think of this.
00:22:33
Conor Glennon
i'm i'm i'm kind of I'm kind of turning the screw in Yui, but I do think there needs to be a lot more respect put on the FA Cup's name. The League Cup, to me, is a bit meh, but the FA Cup...
00:22:42
Nate
But you're saying that because you're lost at the end.
00:22:44
Conor Glennon
No, I mean, no dead series. like FA Cup, I think, is the one of the biggest trophies in England, you know? and it
00:22:51
Nate
I'm back to back ethic of finals by the way. Okay? Okay, I'm just going to say back to back ethic of finals.
00:22:59
Conor Glennon
Yeah, that's a nice little mic drop on that one. I think...
00:23:01
Nate
Back to back ethic of finals.
00:23:01
Conor Glennon
of let's Let's have a gawk at the nosy neighbors, um the old man city who love a good old court case.
00:23:09
killianginnity
they do
00:23:11
Conor Glennon
does anyone Can anyone distill the information that's going on about this? Because I i was looking at every sort of paper, like Instagram post, I struggled to make sense of it.
00:23:22
Nate
Looks like gibberish tomato.
00:23:24
killianginnity
Okay, so I've done my homework as best as I can. um I was never an A student, but um I'll give you the kind of, I'll give you the pub man's understanding of it.
00:23:33
Conor Glennon
we'll We'll take a C, we'll take a C.
00:23:35
Nate
No air can in.
00:23:39
killianginnity
So basically what this case centers around is associated priority transaction rules.
00:23:45
Conor Glennon
Okay.
00:23:46
killianginnity
what that actually means is it's transactions between companies and clubs that are owned by the same people. So think Man City and Etihad and that was kind of a crucial point because one of the things that this tries to do in terms of PSO or FFP all them kind of things was the fact that it's trying to stop teams being able to overinflate sponsorship deals. So think Etihad sponsoring Man City and getting to name their price that they want. So what this rule was doing was the Premier League was having a benchmark that they could say this is an acceptable level and a realistic level for this deal to be getting. If you're over that or under that we can't let you do it.
00:24:29
Conor Glennon
And that was just based off the market being the other sponsors of the Premier League.
00:24:33
killianginnity
Well, this is the thing nobody knows because Man City was not privy to what that benchmark was. So that's not good. and And this rule doesn't cover shareholder loans. So what was happening is was like, say, it's happened at Arsenal, it's happened at Brighton, both car probably most famously at the miniatures with Everton, where the ownership give ever going to three hundred and fifty million pound interest-free loan well that that's not what would go in the market you wouldn't get interest-free loan before that level of money so that is basically the crux of where city of 120 of one two of the 25 points that they were going up but with in this case so it's anti-competitive
00:25:23
killianginnity
because they weren't able to see the benchmarks. And the fact that it doesn't include this means that the rule just can't really exist. It doesn't make sense. It's unlawful. That's where Man City are claiming the victory. So this is where Newcastle could get a big benefit because they have an ownership that owns other companies. And where Newcastle could really benefit is these rules are brought in just over a week after Newcastle was taken over by the PIF.
00:25:51
killianginnity
So this was in a direct retaliation to Newcastle's ownership. So this could open a can of worms there where they could chase the Premier League kind of going, well, this is unlawful and you did it to get us. Now, them rules that were implemented in 2021 were then amended and enhanced in February of the year gone by. And that's kind of where a lot of the kind of stricter end of it is coming in and where has really allowed the city to win this case but the Premier League are claiming a victory because they're basically saying that yes we lost on this little point but that the rules in general are not only good but they're lawful and they've been given the thumbs up we just need to tweak a thing or two they're not perfect like they admit that when they lost the case against Lester who said oh the rule was not wrote very well
00:26:43
killianginnity
you're billion pounds a company talking about your rules not being wrote well, what?
00:26:49
Conor Glennon
see this is interesting to me it's it's
00:26:49
killianginnity
But that's how why they can both claim victories, because yes, they have won on the rules overall kind of being like, yes, this is OK, but sit here going, well, no, now we can actually get our sponsorship.
00:27:02
killianginnity
And this is where things could get really messy, was which is if the Premier League tries to enforce these same rules again in any way, that could push the likes of City, Newcastle, Everton and Chelsea.
00:27:11
Conor Glennon
See, this is interesting to me.
00:27:17
killianginnity
They were all the ones that had drawn battle lines and supported City in this case. Arsenal, Man United, Brighton, Brentford, they all supported the Premier League.
00:27:27
killianginnity
So there is now a war happening ahead of these 115 charges against City and the clubs have now picked a side.
00:27:34
Conor Glennon
That's really interesting. And when you break it down like that, i ah that's what I couldn't understand when both sides were claiming the win. Because it so it's it it really seems like more of a war of who can figure out the rules and operate in the gray area until they're completely stringent than anything.
00:27:54
killianginnity
Like we're getting to the stage now where it's kind of like a Formula One, where it's like, who's going to find that little inch in the rules that allow us to do something that nobody else has spotted, but it's doing it in a legal sense and a financial sense.
00:28:00
Conor Glennon
Inch. Yeah.
00:28:07
killianginnity
So what this... basically is now gonna allow is that Newcastle could turn around, come up with one of their straw man companies again and basically say, well, we think that the shirt sponsorship should be worth 125 million more than it was last year. Why? Well, because we have a bigger footprint in Saudi and then they can do it.
00:28:28
Conor Glennon
and And you see, that even if I take off my black and white lenses for a second, you know, from what you said there of it coming in a week after the PIF took over, I think if you brought that up with the kind of court of arbitration for sport, I think that's the name of it. It's like, so we were fine to be able to buy a team, but our other companies aren't allowed to be involved with that team. That's kind of suspect.
00:28:52
killianginnity
Yeah, and this is kind of one of the issues. It's kind of like with so many, the likes of the PIF owning so many companies can one of their other companies not buy another team. Like it's as if they're trying to block that, which I kind of get.
00:29:08
killianginnity
But where we have to remember with these rules being brought in is it was the Premier League clubs that looked for it and voted for it.
00:29:08
Nate
for killing.
00:29:18
Conor Glennon
Well, this is, this is the thing.
00:29:18
killianginnity
Newcastle lost in that vote.
00:29:19
Conor Glennon
Yeah. This is the thing. It's like you can't create the monster and then moan about it. Like, yeah.
00:29:26
killianginnity
But there is the Boogeyman in the background that could benefit from it, which is the Super League.
00:29:30
Conor Glennon
But I see I before, even before you dip into super league bit of it, like to me as a football fan, look, yeah, I want to see my team be able to buy the best players in the world. But you know, is it a, I think it's wrong to go, you know, uh,
00:29:48
Conor Glennon
just because we can, ah through its shell company, generate more income for ourselves. That's not right. Like, I don't care who's the badge and the jersey is, and especially it's my club Newcastle, and it'll be great for us. But like, I think if you're a football purist, you're not up for that.
00:30:05
killianginnity
And that's basically what the Premier League are trying to block. Rightly or wrongly.
00:30:09
Conor Glennon
What are you saying?
00:30:11
Nate
But like just get it right, this is just one little argument in the whole case.
00:30:16
killianginnity
This isn't 115 yet.
00:30:16
Nate
Not only that, but like this is just an argument on like the semantics of the 115 charges.
00:30:17
Conor Glennon
Yeah, this is separate.
00:30:24
killianginnity
sort of. So like it it's what it what it kind of does is it it reframes how money coming in is going to be looked at.
00:30:36
killianginnity
And that basically that city could go and well we may have broken them but you stopped us from being able to do this which forced us to break that rule.
00:30:47
killianginnity
ah and And so I think one of their are
00:30:49
Conor Glennon
That's a real blame game, Dad.
00:30:51
killianginnity
Yes, this is where they're going to basically tie them up in litigation to try and make them drop a load of the charges. I think I've said this a good while ago. I don't think the 115 charges will stick.
00:31:03
killianginnity
Some of them will though.
00:31:04
Conor Glennon
Do you think this is a play by City to create bad press and optics around the Premier League to force their hand into even scaling down in the charges at a minimum?
00:31:16
killianginnity
No, not necessarily. I think this is a play by city to show a weakness in the rules of the Premier League.
00:31:24
Conor Glennon
and undermine it as a total.
00:31:26
killianginnity
Undermine what they've been trying to do and then when the charges come up and they win on, they they could win on 80 of them.
00:31:26
Conor Glennon
Yeah, okay.
00:31:33
killianginnity
They don't need that. They don't need all of them to stick. um The Premier League just needs a certain amount, and then based on the certain amount that gets true, and then then they can ah penalize them on that on that amount. And basically City will then be able to turn around and go, yeah, but we already know what the Premier League rules are, a crock or whatever.
00:31:51
Nate
But I tell you what though, what real du stick or what charges do stick, they're gonna get the book thrown at them. for
00:31:58
killianginnity
Oh yeah, like it's it's getting really bitter now.
00:31:58
Nate
great greg all like it's good That's what I mean, is like whatever a charges do stick, it's gonna be the book thrown at them.
00:32:06
Conor Glennon
Because they're the first through the wall.
00:32:06
killianginnity
Sure.
00:32:07
Conor Glennon
First through the wall always gets bloody, you know?
00:32:08
Nate
No, no, but now City
00:32:10
killianginnity
It gets worse,
Fan Reactions and Football Governance
00:32:11
killianginnity
Connor. like
00:32:12
Nate
have made a bloody lock.
00:32:14
Nate
City have upped Andy now, where it's in the Premier League's interest to retaliate against him and just throw the book at them.
00:32:20
Conor Glennon
Yeah, they've poked a bear a bit.
00:32:21
killianginnity
not Not even that, lads. It gets worse. After the Premier League made a statement basically saying that they had kind of claimed their victory, Man City wrote to the other Premier League clubs saying that the Premier League were wrong.
00:32:31
Conor Glennon
So, you know, that's, that's, but that's, what do you even achieve from that?
00:32:32
killianginnity
It's getting bitter.
00:32:36
killianginnity
The girls are fighting, it's drama.
00:32:37
Conor Glennon
Like, but literally you could shoot that around in the owner's WhatsApp group. Like it doesn't need to be public. like
00:32:42
Nate
But all this needs to be livestreamed though.
00:32:43
killianginnity
i don't think I don't think it was meant to be.
00:32:45
Nate
All this needs to be livestreamed though, doesn't it? Like, why isn't there a camera in the board, like in the in the courtroom? Like, why?
00:32:52
Conor Glennon
If we had a camera in for WAG at the Christie trial, why can't we get a camera in for this?
00:32:57
killianginnity
I think what one thing that what this is going to really do is this is going to put enough question marks over any of the rulings that transparency is going to become a central argument by both sides. That's going to be like, well,
00:33:13
killianginnity
if you don't like the rules as well then here's the rules and these are the ones where we are like we went and got them adjudicated by somebody else and they say it's okay oh well we think yous aren't being truthful on that so now yous have to prove that yous are and it's going to become this kind of big thing of who do you trust more i wouldn't trust either of them as far as i can control them but but the premier league wouldn't go and join a super league
00:33:31
Conor Glennon
Well, that's what I was about to say. I wouldn't trust the Premier League because it's not in their interest.
00:33:41
Nate
that's you know what i'm getting here no what vibes i'm getting live golf
00:33:46
killianginnity
Yeah, I think this could be the ah turning point. Like, don't forget there was plenty of clubs that didn't back out of the Super League.
00:33:57
killianginnity
The Super League is still there. The Boogeyman is still in the shadows.
00:33:59
Conor Glennon
But it's it's just Barcelona Madrid still waving that flag. isn't it
00:34:03
killianginnity
Well the thing is, does Newcastle do it now? Because their ownership have form, which live golf as Nate says, but they're now a big enough team and they've drawn the line in the sand against the Premier League. So today kind of use this as leverage to get into it.
00:34:22
Conor Glennon
i I think our fan base would genuinely riot.
00:34:29
Nate
we we saw.
00:34:29
Conor Glennon
Newcastle is a very working man's town. It's not a London Charlie type club. i i At least, two maybe I'm naive saying this, but i I really just don't see that being allowed happen.
00:34:45
Nate
but We saw the whole of the the whole of the UK was protesting for God knows how long when the first one came up like never like is literally
00:34:53
Conor Glennon
Oh sure, there was there was games being called off and everything, yeah.
00:34:56
Nate
Yeah, remember, do you know, I had fans storm the stadium, like, there was loads of stuff about it.
00:34:57
killianginnity
but see this is the thing
00:35:02
Nate
Like, I don't think it's feasible, I don't.
00:35:03
killianginnity
but
00:35:05
killianginnity
That's why these little cases are becoming so important is because it's all about how the arguments are going to be framed. so And when it's going to be the Premier League doesn't want us to succeed. They want to keep us down in Newcastle. They don't want teams like us doing well. The Super League does. Premier League don't want us anymore. They're fighting us in every corner. They don't want a team from the north doing well. They only want their London elite. Suddenly you will get fans backing
00:35:32
Nate
Uh, I don't know. I hope not. Um, it's interesting that you mentioned all the teams are picking sides. That's why Liz golf popped into my head. It's like, could we see a point where like a certain number of teams leave a certain number of teams stay. And then it's like.
00:35:49
Conor Glennon
See, I think the thing that that's different in England compared to all the other leagues when it comes to the Super League is there are so many leagues under the Premier League that would be absolutely broken in two.
00:35:49
killianginnity
get
00:36:01
Conor Glennon
You know, so it's not even like if you're a not County supporter, you're not going to be for the Super League. It's, you know, like they're going to have millions of people against this at every level of the game.
00:36:14
killianginnity
Yeah, um but there's another thing that is kind of possibly going to come in and that this Man City case could, not this particular one, but the 115 could ah really bring it forward is having government oversight over the leak from the UK. And um obviously after the Tory rule there, nobody would want that, but does that kind of make them go, look yeah, way too much bureaucracy here.
00:36:42
killianginnity
vegetable grudgers, we can't operate under this. So our only option is the Super League.
00:36:48
Conor Glennon
Stranger things have happened.
00:36:50
killianginnity
I think we can't underestimate, like, these are companies with a lot of money at stake. And even if it was only for a year, like the live golf kind of thing, where they'll go, yeah, we'll break yours for a year, we'll prove a point, and then we'll all come back friends again afterwards.
00:37:07
Conor Glennon
See, I think with that, the FIFA or UEFA would but do it in such a way that like they tried to even with the server that if you left, you couldn't come back for like 10 years.
00:37:19
killianginnity
yeah but like don't forget this is the same FIFA that has squirreled its way to giving Saudi Arabia a World Cup by kind of going oh well you know oh the 2030 World Cup that's going to be the 100th anniversary so we'll have to give that give a game there to Uruguay and somewhere else oh that's that box ticked for South America so we don't have to go there now sure the next one's already North America so we don't have to go there now oh sure we've already done it we don't have to go there now oh our only option now is the Middle East These will do whatever it takes to do what they want.
00:37:50
Conor Glennon
You're not wrong.
00:37:51
killianginnity
So like we're already seeing more and more Middle Eastern movement in the upper echelons of FIFA. um Do not be surprised if FIFA take over the Super League.
00:38:11
killianginnity
And that's how they do it. That's how they bring them back. It's kind of going, don't worry, you're coming back under our umbrella.
00:38:17
Conor Glennon
So like libs merge with pgo.
00:38:19
killianginnity
Yeah, I think that is the playbook. And the fact that it has happened with the golf, it's taken the sting out of the tail. Oh, like this isn't earth shattering. We can all survive after it. I don't know. I think this case isn't a massive thing. I think i think it it could be very interesting for the bigger clubs that like they might, even if it's only for one or two transfer windows, might have a massive amount of money to play with. But I think this is the beginning of the city fallout and i use fallout in the sense of the video games this is going to be a nuclear bomb into the game of football that's going to start in january and by the summer i don't think the landscape is going to be the same as what we've seen you
00:39:04
Conor Glennon
There's no way they get relegated. They may exclude them from Europe, which affects their player resource point of view, but there is not a world in which they'll relegate them.
00:39:10
killianginnity
have to get really good then they're going to the super league
00:39:14
Nate
I think they will. I genuinely think they're going to throw the bucket at them. They're going to make an example out of them.
00:39:20
killianginnity
and An example will go to the Super League. There's no world where they're going to stick around and take that.
00:39:24
Conor Glennon
But then who do they play? It's just city Madrid and Barcelona.
00:39:26
Nate
No, the Super League doesn't go ahead without a big buy in for me to throw. Like it just doesn't.
00:39:35
Conor Glennon
but you Like, you need the top four, you know?
00:39:37
Nate
Like it just doesn't work.
00:39:40
killianginnity
What is the top four anymore, though?
00:39:40
Nate
like
00:39:41
Conor Glennon
but Okay, four of the top six, you know?
00:39:44
killianginnity
yeah i don't know i i think like don't like don't forget the other clubs that are back in city here new castle could be arguably there chelsea as well chelsea like after a city they're they're next on the chopping block do
00:39:55
Conor Glennon
Chelsea wouldn't surprise me.
00:39:57
Nate
But Chelsea fans wouldn't allow it, like, wouldn't allow this every day.
00:39:57
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:40:01
killianginnity
we think boli cares
00:40:02
Conor Glennon
See, that's the thing. I don't think he cares. And I think if...
00:40:05
Nate
Baldi would care if the Heat got turned it up on him and affected all his other businesses. Yeah, I think he would, yeah.
00:40:12
killianginnity
I don't know. He's he's shown pure enough or contempt for all other norms of the sport he's after buying into.
00:40:19
Nate
But like, let's be real, like, if City are found guilty on a number of charges, the book will be drawn at them now.
00:40:26
killianginnity
Oh, absolutely.
00:40:26
Conor Glennon
what it but is...
00:40:26
killianginnity
i dave If they've opened themselves.
00:40:26
Nate
They've tried to show, they've tried to show the family legal, like they've tried to.
00:40:30
killianginnity
Yeah, absolutely.
00:40:31
Conor Glennon
Well, this is what I don't understand.
00:40:31
Nate
It's, it it's, all rules off.
00:40:32
Conor Glennon
It's like, why, like why, why call the big win on the small win? You know?
00:40:38
killianginnity
Because it it kind of is a big win in the sense that like it this is affecting finances, this is affecting PRS and now if they try and push on this city can go and take them to court again or Newcastle will. I think the Newcastle one is that the one bubbling under the surface that's going to be very very interesting.
00:40:59
Conor Glennon
See, I just wouldn't want us to poke the bear.
00:41:00
killianginnity
was well the music
00:41:03
Conor Glennon
even if even I think you're right.
00:41:03
killianginnity
predicting it now isn't gonna what's gonna happen now is the new year is coming up so there'll be new sponsorship deals ah negotiated and the thing is they can now name their price because they're the ones moving it from the left pocket to the right pocket yeah but not everybody's owned by a trillion dollar fund yeah like i don't i don't think man you know i can compete
00:41:17
Nate
You've got every cloak in there now.
00:41:25
Conor Glennon
State Farm, dear.
00:41:30
Nate
Well, can they? Because primarily they've changed the rules again. They've gone back and changed them.
00:41:39
killianginnity
Well, see this, the other thing is like, if, so the Premier League are claiming they're going to re, ah like not rewrite the rules, but they're going to make them compliant to to this ruling. and As they say, the little tweaks and they reckon they can do it in about 10 days. That one raises questions over the rules in general.
00:41:57
killianginnity
But two, does that open up another case and another argument? I guess I'm kind of going, use it as making this up on the fly. That like, why should we buy into use when user does kind of decide whatever you want anyway?
00:42:08
killianginnity
Like, it's it's a really, does the whole thing is a really, really dangerous precedent.
00:42:09
Nate
Well, like, I don't think it is if it if it saves the rapid if it saves the competitive nature of the league. I think it's a it's a necessary step. like
00:42:25
killianginnity
i think I think the rule is very, very necessary. um I think the fact that they haven't applied it right, um the fact that they've now lost lost this case, it's just bringing way, way, way too much unnecessary attention to Premier League itself, its rules. And overall, it's no longer about football. We're going to be talking about court cases between now and the end of the season more often than we are games.
00:42:52
Conor Glennon
Can you imagine the amount of money that a couple of law firms are making off this? Oh, oh Jesus, you'd be swimming.
00:42:58
killianginnity
we We went to the wrong game, that's...
00:43:00
Conor Glennon
100%. My last question on this one. hey if If, say, these but charges end up in Citi getting relegated,
Irish Football Team Analysis
00:43:14
Conor Glennon
And that starts the Super League. Now, neither of us think that's possible, but if it was to be the, I suppose, the key of the engine start to the Super League, would you rather they didn't get done?
00:43:28
Nate
No, I'd rather they get done.
00:43:29
killianginnity
No.
00:43:29
Nate
I want justice.
00:43:31
Conor Glennon
So even if it meant the Super League happens because of this, you you still want them getting done.
00:43:36
Nate
Yes, I'd rather they get done and I'd still protest that I don't want my club in the Super League.
00:43:41
killianginnity
I, I, I think I'd rather, I'd be i'd agree with Nate. I, I think.
00:43:44
Nate
I'd rather go and fight the Super League than let City get off of it, Scott Shreve.
00:43:49
killianginnity
Yeah, it would give the Premier League a moral high ground. Kind of going, we're trying to do things the right way. And because you don't want to play by the rules, use our gone off sulking. Use it and like, that use broke the rules and got caught.
00:44:02
Conor Glennon
And what happens next is because of your your actions.
00:44:02
killianginnity
Well then go away.
00:44:04
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:44:05
killianginnity
Yes, use the spoiled child.
00:44:05
Nate
But I also i also think, like and this is gonna sound way more dramatic than it is, but I think as a process, football needs to heal a bit in terms of, I think a lot of football fans need to come, just like be, I think it needs to be noticed that stuff wasn't the fair way. Do you know what I mean? I think a lot of football fans are open flames about the way City have transpired over the years.
00:44:33
killianginnity
the club The sport is a whole lot murkier than people who were willing to admit.
00:44:38
Nate
Yeah.
00:44:38
killianginnity
And it's all coming to the front now.
00:44:39
Conor Glennon
I think it always has been. I think it just in different ways, you know.
00:44:40
killianginnity
Oh yeah, but it's coming to the front now.
00:44:42
Nate
But I think, I think courses football fans kind of need that way in the NCE to go.
00:44:42
killianginnity
It's all coming to the front now.
00:44:47
Nate
We got it.
00:44:47
Conor Glennon
I agree with you. I'm just terrified of the Super League, whether Newcastle ah join it or not. It's beyond me. I think if you like it, just if it happens, it like, lads, look, whether whether I would prefer Sunderland to win the Premier League four years in a row, then the Super League happened like honest to God.
00:44:56
Nate
ah
00:45:07
Nate
I genuinely think, I genuinely think the Super League could cause riots in the UK.
00:45:08
killianginnity
Yes, please.
00:45:13
Conor Glennon
It would, it absolutely would.
00:45:15
Nate
Like, I genuinely think, so because it doesn't just affect premonities, it affects everyone down the pyramid. And I i ah genuinely think there would be riots.
00:45:22
Conor Glennon
It's global football and it's it's you you do that, you cannot rebuild it.
00:45:30
killianginnity
So, it's October. Have I scared you enough?
00:45:33
Nate
Yeah.
00:45:37
killianginnity
Um, before we finish up, uh, international break coming up. What did we make of the Ireland squad?
00:45:43
Conor Glennon
Um, I was, this sounds really poor and just sounds like I'm taking aim at them, but like, I was glad they already got dropped. Uh, I think it was needed.
00:45:56
Conor Glennon
And, you know, uh,
00:45:56
killianginnity
Oh, a hundred percent. I wouldn't feel bad about it. I'd say it over my chest.
00:46:00
Nate
Keep it dropped.
00:46:00
Conor Glennon
i I will say how it was handled wasn't great um in the fact that it was, you didn't have a face to face meeting. It was just kind of an email as as far as I've heard or some sort of text comms. So that I don't like, especially for a new manager, but it needs to happen. So it's a positive. What are you boys thinking?
00:46:25
killianginnity
stepping in the right direction. I think it wasn't a brave enough squad. When Helgramson was talking about Daugherty, he was kind of saying, oh well, we need to plan for the future, basically. That we want to try other people out when we can. This is going to be our last proper test before we get into workup qualifiers and stuff.
00:46:47
killianginnity
um I think if youre if that's your mentality, it would then be a much braver. Why we have Jamie McGrath really? We've kind of seen what he's done. Why have players like Ogg Bene, even though they're they're good and they've always been good for us, but like if you're going to experiment, experiment.
00:47:04
Conor Glennon
Is he pandering though by getting rid of Dardey or does he actually want to get rid of him?
00:47:10
killianginnity
I don't know about UNIT, I don't think there was an option both to get rid of him after the last performances.
00:47:13
Nate
Yeah, I think to be honest,
00:47:19
Nate
and yeah like to be honest I'd keep him dropped. i don't think is I don't think he's in it. I don't think he's in the game. He's just very poor. He hasn't been the same player since Wolves in my opinion. And I don't see him getting back to him, frankly.
00:47:35
Nate
and I'm interested to see some more reinforcements in the midfield. and I'm really disappointed that Jacob Bryan misses out.
00:47:47
Nate
To me, that baffles me because...
00:47:49
Conor Glennon
Do you think it's just a minute thing?
00:47:51
Nate
No, because like this is your chance to see him. You can't go, oh, I want to see new players. You haven't seen Jacob Bryan.
00:47:57
Conor Glennon
Yeah, fair.
00:47:58
Nate
It doesn't make sense to me. like This guy is really good. Why is he not getting called up for it? or don't get it.
00:48:07
killianginnity
yeah it's that kind of classic thing of like oh if you're not playing at the right club well he's not playing it at the right club he's at the wrong end of the Premier League but for Ireland right now it's Premier League and yeah he's he's such a talented player and it is kind of sad from to missile ah for
00:48:26
killianginnity
Is this, are these games important enough, ah one, to kind of really judge Helgrimsen on and two, as Richard Dunn alluded to, should he be under pressure, Connor, for his job if he doesn't win either of these games?
00:48:42
Conor Glennon
It's absolutely insane to me that that's even getting thrown around in the press.
00:48:48
killianginnity
By a former international, a very, very good servant to this country.
00:48:48
Conor Glennon
like
00:48:51
Conor Glennon
a former captain like ah it's madness to me like look let's face it lads we're like 60 60th in the world somewhere in there like 59th or something it took us how long to get him or even in the door we'd be insane to judge him off four games and go back to that merry-go-round of is it gonna be lee cars lee you know i mean like it's it we made our bid We need to just lie in it and see what happens. like it I don't know about you lads, but it when I saw those comments from Richard John, I was just like, are you looking for airtime? Is that what this is? Because to me, it's just mental.
00:49:31
Nate
There probably is a part of that, yeah. But the one thing I've taken from this is the Ireland, like Ireland in general feels more destabilised as ever before. Like it feels like in my head, and this is why it's so mad, is high regime sacked in my head already. like Like just, I'm not saying he should be sacked. Let me clarify that. But I think the pitch for authority out for some people.
00:50:00
Conor Glennon
I think they were out as soon as he got in the door.
00:50:00
Nate
and
00:50:03
Nate
Bored, like I don't see again much better. That's just...
00:50:09
Conor Glennon
like i just well I totally agree with you, but also like let's be real. like he look ah Look, I don't like the way he's not going to see players in the UK, and I understand the way he's phrased it, that he's better spent looking at a laptop and all of that.
00:50:23
Conor Glennon
But like take all of that away.
Conclusion and Future Plans
00:50:25
Conor Glennon
We haven't given this lad a chance.
00:50:28
killianginnity
oh like
00:50:29
Conor Glennon
There's been nothing for him to fairly judge. like I honestly think if he sacked him, he'd sue for unfair dismissal, and I think he'd win.
00:50:39
Nate
Do you know what the thing is though?
00:50:43
Nate
The more pitchforks are out, number two, it is a disabled environment, but the way you did SAI have gone to bed or him himself have gone has gone to bed has been totally wild.
00:50:50
killianginnity
Oh,
00:50:55
Nate
Why what what is Sean O'Shay doing press conferences though?
00:50:56
killianginnity
like
00:50:58
Conor Glennon
It's amazing how it makes Hymer like, man be like.
00:51:00
Nate
What's going on? But that's what I mean is like, we can't be like, Oh, let's combine the manager. And like we got a backup laws when to me, he doesn't even look like the manager. Like, like
00:51:10
Conor Glennon
Asher is off doing fillings back in in Iceland for for his local patients.
00:51:15
killianginnity
Well, see, this is part of the reason why I think there's a bit of pressure on him is because he yeah had some quotes during the week that are not what people like me, who are a big supporter of him, and I think he will be good, i want to be hearing, and was that, like he said, I haven't been in this environment where there's so much attention.
00:51:15
Nate
like
00:51:34
killianginnity
That was probably the thing that not shocked me, but surprised me. um I probably wasn't ready or aware of how big it was, how much media there is, how much attention it is. I'm not used to it.
00:51:45
Conor Glennon
I mean, like, like glads i'm I'm sorry, like, I mean, there's two sides to look at that, like, okay, very humble man, understand what he's saying, but that's the kind of thing you tell to your close circle, not the media, you know, like that, that makes you look clueless, like,
00:51:59
Nate
Yeah, you're giving them a stick to hate you with.
00:52:00
killianginnity
I don't want to broadcast it
00:52:02
Nate
You're literally giving them the stick to hate you with. But you think, that's kind of straight. You cannot say that when you're the one, because now it looks like you're dodging press conferences rather than...
00:52:13
Conor Glennon
A hundred percent. You look scared.
00:52:14
Nate
He's like, boys, if that's not the case and he's not dodging press conferences, whose decision is it to keep on drawing a shape?
00:52:14
Conor Glennon
Like,
00:52:23
Nate
I'll say it again. The only way you're going to get used to it is if you actually do it. so sorry with that
00:52:29
Conor Glennon
but it's also like John O'Shea must be like, why do you keep telling me to do this? Like.
00:52:35
Nate
oh john ah I'll be honest, John O'Shea looks like he's loving it. I'll just be honest, like John O'Shea looks like he's loving it because people think it's his name.
00:52:45
killianginnity
John O'Shea is the root of an history for Ireland right now.
00:52:48
Conor Glennon
shows big shows.
00:52:48
killianginnity
three he is yeah He is the man like no matter what he's doing he is gonna be that little devil on the shoulder for the media to be able to throw at them because
00:52:49
Nate
No, it's on another level.
00:53:00
killianginnity
It was his job really, ah whether anybody wanted it to give it give it to him. And speaking of jobs that was just given to people that were there, and we have a new CEO in Ireland, art in Ireland football.
00:53:11
killianginnity
It was the interim who was already part of the organization.
00:53:13
Nate
Oh, really?
00:53:15
killianginnity
Yeah, imagine.
00:53:16
Nate
Jesus.
00:53:16
Conor Glennon
What a surprise.
00:53:18
Nate
That's a vental from the FAO. I must tell you, lads, I didn't see that one going like... oh But like, what change is he going to bring?
00:53:23
killianginnity
In all honesty, I see i hope hope he does well. Let's hope he can bring change despite the fact that he isn't it.
00:53:32
Conor Glennon
but yeah
00:53:34
Nate
Because he was the helper.
00:53:35
Conor Glennon
yeah
00:53:35
Nate
Like, eat walk he was it. Like...
00:53:38
killianginnity
ah Let's hope he's that employee that had loads of ideas that people just got annoyed about and he just kept putting his hand up. But gentlemen, it is time to power ways. My thanks as ever to Connor and Nate and to you our listener.
00:53:53
killianginnity
And we'll catch you next week for the next chat.
00:53:55
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:53:56
Nate
Bye!
00:53:56
Conor Glennon
Bye-bye.