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A$AP Rocky to Take Over Tranmere Rovers?! 👀 | Arnie Slot Whips Liverpool Into Title Contention
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A$AP Rocky is looking to take over Tranmere Rovers?! Yes, you read that right! 👀 Meanwhile, Arnie Slot’s impressive run at Liverpool has fans buzzing—can he lead them to glory? 🔥 And Aston Villa are rising fast—are they set to become a Premier League powerhouse? 🚀
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Nomination
00:00:00
Killian Ginnity
Before we get started, I just want to thank you each and every one of yous out there that voted for Not a Pundit at the Irish Pod Awards. And I'm delighted to say we have made the final eight it for Best Sports Podcast of the Year. It's an incredible achievement. We're all delighted and we have you to thank. Now on with the episode.
Spooky Season and Newcastle's Performance
00:00:37
Killian Ginnity
Hello, hello, hello and welcome to Not a Ponder. My name is Killeen Ginnity and I'm delighted to be joined as ever by Connor Glennon and Nathan Byrne. Gentlemen, how is spooky season treating you?
00:00:49
Conor Glennon
Well I tell you what after after making that final shortlist I'm feeling pretty damn good and it it definitely made me feel better after after that dismal display that Newcastle had against Brighton but you know next up November 6th
00:01:06
Killian Ginnity
Nate, how are you doing?
Are Liverpool Title Contenders?
00:01:07
Nate
I'm good likewise and delighted to be in there the final eight and finally the the the ways have changed you know I've got some points on the board so it wasn't.
00:01:19
Killian Ginnity
Well, in fairness, United aren't the ones getting the headlines this week, really. and Yeah, like I think it was an underwhelming performance against Brentford. But I think one of the stories that had so far gone under the radar is Liverpool are on top of the league, Connor. And are they title contenders?
00:01:41
Conor Glennon
It's really looking like it, you know, i I don't know about you guys, but I had my concerns with RNA slot. I know it's RNA, not RNA. But yeah, for me, I think I didn't know what to expect to with coming in off the back of the clock as such a charismatic manager. You know, it was big shoes to fill. And I didn't know too much about him, to be honest. And he he's really taken to it like a duck to water. I think they're a little less ahh What's the word I suppose? there are there's There's less drama around them internally and I think they're a bit more relaxed and and I think it's working out in the pitch, but I think tactically he's he's he's running a masterclass over there. What are you guys thinking?
00:02:24
Killian Ginnity
um when he kind of first took over I do remember saying here on on the podcast that like I was interested in kind of how he was setting up the team because it looked like that he was basically playing without a central striker Now, that hasn't been the case in the season. ah Well, unless you don't count ah yeah Darwin Nunes as a footballer. But like, he's actually found a way to make Darwin Nunes work. um Abraham Kanata has actually become very good.
00:02:56
Killian Ginnity
like in fairness to to uh Arnie as he will always be uh called in my head get to the chopper um but like Matip was going to be always going to be a hard one to replace he's managed to do that.
00:03:10
Killian Ginnity
Gravenberts looks great Nate um I've been very very pleasantly surprised by him.
00:03:13
Nate
Yeah. um I was quite critical of everything when I started the season. I didn't think they'd done enough business. They barely done any. They've surprised me. But they haven't had the toughest fixtures. I think that's something that needs to be accounted for.
00:03:33
Conor Glennon
said like a true united firm
00:03:36
Nate
I'm impressed with them. I think they're playing good football. But they haven't played the toughest fixtures. and they've bet a Chelsea side that are hot and cold when they want to be.
Liverpool's Depth and Tactical Analysis
00:03:49
Nate
Going back to Conor's question, do I think that they'd be title contenders? No. and I think the squad's a bit too light. I don't think they've got a title cont contention squad. i think They're still two, three injuries, like injuries from big players away from from being taken out of contention. So if they can keep the whole squad fit, they could contend for the league, but I personally don't think they will be.
00:03:56
Conor Glennon
okay
00:04:19
Conor Glennon
I think they're going to have to build in January in and, you know, and grab him first.
00:04:19
Killian Ginnity
Oh.
00:04:22
Conor Glennon
Like, I think he's, he's the one that's really been a surprise to me. Like he's taken what, six, that six position really. And he's he's kind of busting it around from for me.
00:04:32
Killian Ginnity
In Foppa Manager, he'd be called a Regista.
00:04:34
Conor Glennon
I'm a regista.
00:04:36
Killian Ginnity
if that
00:04:36
Nate
fancy.
00:04:37
Conor Glennon
That sounds a lot more cultural and exotic.
00:04:37
Killian Ginnity
correct
00:04:40
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, just kind of playing that little bit of a playmaker sitting deep, but also kind of moving out a little bit to the to the the wide positions. Nate, you mentioned the Chelsea game. like It wasn't the most convincing win, but it was still a win. And I think that's the difference on their slot is that they've managed to turn them kind of potential draws into wins. They've found a way to grind out results. Like earlier on the year when the bet hole and they won but all Slott talked about was the final 10 or 15 minutes where they just weren't good enough as far as he was concerned and I think that's been really i impressive. so Like when you looked at what they did against Chelsea, Chelsea when they got their equalizer for the their first goal.
00:05:25
Killian Ginnity
they found that there was just space them in the middle, that there was a Jones, I think it was Jones, was getting pulled out left.
00:05:37
Killian Ginnity
Graven Burch was being pulled out right. but And cavern in the middle for Chelsea's third midfielder.
00:05:40
Conor Glennon
There's just a cavern in the middle then.
00:05:44
Killian Ginnity
i am And Nunes wasn't, or Siposasly wasn't dropped, wasn't to kind of reacting properly. And ah they were able to exploit that gap. But within minutes, Sloth had that filled. And then suddenly, Salah was coming really deep. um But Noona was then doing that kind of manic horseman thing that he does, which then was kind of drawing Chelsea defenders towards him, and then would a leave on the attack space for Salah to come in, which I think he's a kind of built right in the sense that they should have signed more.
00:06:20
Killian Ginnity
um I don't think they're a weak squad. and Yes, they are an injury away from being a worry, but the only worry ah of an injury that they should be considering is Salah.
00:06:32
Killian Ginnity
And he's not a player that particularly gets injured that often. So it's it's a really, really hard one. ah A bad injury to Salah would completely derail their season. But when's the last time you had a bad injury?
00:06:41
Conor Glennon
i think i think I think the other thing you have to remember is with that squad depth is it isn't just the players they didn't buy. It's the players they're potentially losing in the summer with with that spine of Trent, Salah and Virgil van Dijk. There's big uncertainty there. do they Do they all go? I doubt
Comparison with Arsenal and City
00:06:59
Conor Glennon
it. But on the Gravenberg thing, like I think what's making that team cook is that You know, Roger is what makes city work. He is the time keeper. He is, he just, everything flows through him. He's kind of that quarterback and I'm not comparing Grabenburg to Roger. He's, he's a poor man's version of, but I think it's, it works within that Liverpool system and it's making them work better as a team. And I think that the best thing you can say about slot in his time there is the team are bought in on how he's playing. Yes, it's very similar to how clock played, but it is different.
00:07:29
Conor Glennon
and it's working. And I think if you're a cloth party you'd be going, I wanted you to do well, but not that well.
00:07:35
Killian Ginnity
yeah
00:07:35
Nate
lads, I think we're forgetting that this Liverpool side was playing teenagers last year.
00:07:36
Killian Ginnity
Like, yeah.
00:07:41
Nate
Like, like did they literally were playing teenagers. like So I do think the squad is a worry. I think, honest, personally, that day the heads at Liverpool will be going, like, shit, why did we not buy players or something?
00:07:55
Nate
like
00:07:55
Killian Ginnity
Well, the only only good thing about playing teenagers last year is they're now experienced this year.
00:07:58
Nate
Like... Hmm.
00:08:00
Killian Ginnity
So like it kind of puts them in a better position. I'm not saying that's not a worry, but it's putting them in a better position. And like one of the things I did kind of see online by Liverpool fans and they're an optimistic bunch, shall we say.
00:08:14
Killian Ginnity
It was comparing Kobe Manu and Curtis Jones.
00:08:17
Nate
ah That's the biggest like cops by the way
00:08:19
Killian Ginnity
Curtis Jones is is an OAP in comparison. He's about 24 now. He kind of has a Jesse Lingard disease of ah forever a teenager. But he's also kind of found his place for Liverpool.
00:08:35
Killian Ginnity
It's not a starter or not a consistent starter, but he actually has has merit to being in the squad now. And like in fairness to slot, he seems to have found positions for these players that there was always a question mark over. Like if you look at Nunez, what other squad would he actually fit in in the Premier League? Having that kind of glorified, it's he it's a true forward position. You can't have a striker in a Liverpool in their time tactics right now. It's why, like, if you look at Aston Villa, Aston Villa are doing really, really well.
00:09:04
Killian Ginnity
And a lot of that right now is down to John ah do Duran and Ollie Watkins and both of them are like strikers. um And like Duran is is is complete opposite to Nunez because like I think Duran had something like eight passes in one of the last games. so and six of which went to his his own and ah his own teammates but he's having these minimal amount of touches and is getting in this goal scoring positions more importantly and like Nunez is nearly the exact opposite he's getting on the ball quite a bit
00:09:37
Conor Glennon
Nothing's going on.
00:09:38
Killian Ginnity
And very little for him going in, but he's doing a enough work both relatively on the ball but more off the ball to create space for Salah and Zabaza Sly and anybody else to go and take the glory.
00:09:39
Conor Glennon
We're out.
00:09:51
Killian Ginnity
And I think there's a lot of and Premier League teams in the last two years, like, When Conte won the league with a back five, everyone was playing a back five. Now Haaland is ripping it up. Everyone started to play in a kind of but more of a ah striker position again. And Liverpool are now doing the opposite. And I think it's a really, really clever against the grain way of doing it. and do Do I think they're title contenders?
00:10:20
Killian Ginnity
Yes, in the same way that Arsenal are. I don't think they're going to win it, but I think they're going to go towards the end where it'll be like, oh, if, yeah, like it if City implode in the last month, it could be between Liverpool or Arsenal.
00:10:23
Nate
the
00:10:26
Conor Glennon
They'll be there, thereabouts, coming into the last six weeks.
00:10:28
Nate
I think Arsenal
Liverpool's Resilience and Squad Depth Reassessment
00:10:34
Killian Ginnity
City aren't going to implode, so technically they're contenders.
00:10:38
Nate
are like above Liverpool in terms of squad and I think they're just more hardened to the league right now that they've had to go two seasons back to back with City.
00:10:53
Nate
My worry about Liverpool and I think I think it will happen is there, as you mentioned with Nunez is he's finding these spaces for the other forwards, but I think we're soon going to see they're going to come up against teams, right?
00:11:06
Nate
I'll be like, as we'll just leave Nunez, like even if he gets a shot, like, you know, it's water off, it's water off far back.
00:11:12
Killian Ginnity
He's not going to score.
00:11:14
Nate
Like, so I think, um, I think we'll start to see teams sort of find them out of it. And I don't think they've come up against the quality of opposition yet to be the team to to find them out.
00:11:27
Killian Ginnity
The quality thing is you are buying on the money there, but I think if and or when teams kind of figure out the, the Nunez hack slot seems more than capable to react.
00:11:41
Killian Ginnity
Like queaving Kelleher was saying that like apparently slots, big thing Connor is work to the end.
00:11:49
Conor Glennon
which Which is what we said and the what we said in the recent part about the Ireland team, and what that's what we want.
00:11:49
Killian Ginnity
It's not, it's not always about.
00:11:54
Conor Glennon
and like i mean It sounds so stupidly simple, but like it it' it's a rarity these days.
00:11:54
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:12:01
Conor Glennon
the players Players aren't built like they used to be in in the same kind of... effort side of things, like don't give your own players and we're skillful and ever faster, you know, younger, whatever. But it's, it's that effort.
00:12:12
Conor Glennon
And I dare say pride or fight. And that's lacking amongst today's players. I know it sound like an old man shouting into the wind, but like it it to me, it really is the case.
00:12:21
Nate
I have a question on the fight bar. So this is a Liverpool side that hasn't changed much. It's a team that's been run into the ground in my opinion by Jürgen Klopp in terms of the team sort of came to it to to its end in my opinion in terms of trying to get new bodies in and stuff.
00:12:34
Conor Glennon
Hmm.
00:12:44
Nate
Does this team have a whole season of fight in them? I think that, because we saw it, we saw it.
00:12:50
Conor Glennon
I think i think it's it's a fair question. I think it comes back to what you were saying about the quality of teams that they've played. Now, if you're a Liverpool fan, you're going to go you're going to say we can only beat the teams that are in front of us so far, which is fair. At the same time, though, I think if there is a big winner or a big game or two that go against them,
00:13:08
Conor Glennon
it'll be interesting to see how swift that changes things in in terms of of in the dressing room and and how the players react to that. So I think it's as ah sitting on the fence as it stands, I think it's ah it's a wait and see you situation on that one.
00:13:23
Killian Ginnity
In fairness, I think we're kind of like underestimating their squad depth in terms of the players that they have that are in that kind of rotation of being starters. Like when you have Cody Gackpo, Kiesa hasn't even got running games yet.
00:13:39
Killian Ginnity
so like he
00:13:39
Conor Glennon
I forgot they got him.
00:13:40
Conor Glennon
Jesus.
00:13:40
Killian Ginnity
Yeah so like there's the likes of him, there's Lewis Diaz, there's Diogo Giotta, there's Connor Bradley, like I want to see more of him and like I think he's really exciting.
00:13:51
Conor Glennon
He's exciting.
00:13:54
Killian Ginnity
I mean he was very good for Northern Ireland during the international break and even Harvey Elliott has brought a run out so like.
00:14:00
Conor Glennon
Like all of these players, like, like you look at not all of them, but a a large majority of them aren't world beaters, but they're damn good players. Like they're, they're not, you know, when you said there are
00:14:07
Nate
yeah boy
Aston Villa's Resurgence
00:14:09
Conor Glennon
is poor, you know,
00:14:10
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, like they're not the kind of players that when you put the wine you're gonna go, oh god.
00:14:12
Nate
yeah see i'm gonna hang i'm gonna anger lyrical fans here okay but i do it in the friendliest manner okay are you scared of kind of or if kind of badly um however you add come on the bit like are there any players that will win you a title
00:14:14
Killian Ginnity
They're not a tight, they're not a tightest bramble, where it's like, oh.
00:14:14
Conor Glennon
what's going to happen? Yeah. Oh, wow.
00:14:33
Conor Glennon
They aren't players that win you a title, but they are players that could potentially win you a game, especially Harvey Elliott, because he can bang it from out 50 yards out and get a fluker. He has his moments. He's not someone I depend on to win me the league, but he's someone if I was, you know, I don't know, nil all 10 minutes left, throw him on, he may do something.
00:14:52
Killian Ginnity
See, there's one of these things with these kind of players as well is, depending on how you use them, and from what we've seen of Slot, and I wasn't i wasn't gushing over him when he was appointed, I was not excited for it, but like, you don't need the likes of O'Connor Bradley to come in and win you um a game against Man City.
00:15:10
Killian Ginnity
You need him to win you a game against like a Bournemouth and stuff, so that you can bring in these players on the weaker games
00:15:13
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:15:17
Killian Ginnity
and then be able to save players for the bigger games. And I think that's where we will see Liverpool get more clever. They wanted to get the whole vibe of what's going to be happening now. They've done it with the kind of the bigger players and they're going to get a little bit more clever coming into the Christmas and New Year. And that's going to be the real tell. Come January, we will know if they're going to be true title contenders. But as it stands, Liverpool are.
00:15:42
Conor Glennon
They need that kind of Fergie squad rotation kind of situation where he added down to a tee where he'd he'd be able to rest as big hitters from time to time and he'd still have 10 lads who could come in and do a job. Like no one that's going to win any Ballon d'Ors or even get nominated for player of the season. But the main thing is they were filled the gap and didn't mess it up.
00:16:03
Killian Ginnity
Like there's plenty of Liverpool players that will be getting into the United squad pretty damn easy.
00:16:09
Nate
yeah but that's not that's not that's not what i'm forming my argument on do you know what i mean like so if if robertson gets injured i'm kind of about just to come in for 10 game to 15 games a season if um um one of the midfielders gets injured and kurt jones has to come in and play 15 games if like that's what i mean it's like once you get three or four injuries is that squad comes down a few levels where i don't
00:16:15
Conor Glennon
I know what you're saying.
00:16:36
Conor Glennon
Yeah, and and and i and I think they'll address that. I think they will address some of that in January. I i know the ownership situation in Liverpool is still kind of TBC under the owners want to be there or do they want to sell out or with the way they're playing, do they want to hold in front of the title and then sell? But I do think they'll have to be some sort of investment to strengthen the volume of players they have come January because if they don't, I think you're right.
00:16:58
Nate
And by the way, I'm not just leveling this at Liverpool, I didn't see the exact same at United. But from what I've got and what I've seen, Arsenal and City don't seem to push their players as much in terms of what they're doing on the pitch. That I think the level of injuries that we saw from you United and Liverpool last season doesn't seem to to happen to Arsenal and City. That's what I'm saying.
00:17:24
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, maybe maybe it does come that into something as simple as kind of been there, done that when it gets into the dirty end of the season. I don't know, although it's I'm really happy just to have another team in the mix. Like, um i I think by having two birds pecking at the eyes of city, it's going to make a much more entertaining end of season.
00:17:48
Killian Ginnity
um I think any anywhere a city can drop points um is a good thing, and having a second one of them can only be good for the rest of the league.
00:17:49
Nate
man
00:17:59
Killian Ginnity
The other thing that shouldn't be underestimated, like we I mentioned Villa earlier, Villa are on the same number of points as Arsenal.
00:18:07
Conor Glennon
ah you got to give Villa their flowers this year. like i mean It's not long ago they came up from the championship again.
00:18:09
Killian Ginnity
It's so good!
00:18:13
Conor Glennon
like you know they they What Ben McGinn as captain has been able to do there and mean you look at the what Emery's been able to do there, he was laughed at in his last role and he's revolutionized that club and it's it's great to see.
00:18:28
Conor Glennon
Villa are a very historic club in in i I'd argue world football but definitely in in in European football and it's great to see them back at the heights that they're they're striving towards.
00:18:39
Nate
Good evening.
00:18:39
Killian Ginnity
And one of the things about them as well is like they're getting and tunes out of players that like other teams either didn't want or kind of underestimated themselves.
00:18:51
Killian Ginnity
Like the likes of Ross Barkley. Like I know he did quite well at Luton, but like he was.
00:18:55
Conor Glennon
He didn't blow the doors off the place though and same when he was at Chelsea you know.
00:18:59
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, like it's it's. Nate, if Emery was to be linked to it united, would you be chuffed or would you be kind of a little bit kind of like, it wasn't great at Arsenal?
00:19:13
Nate
Oh, that's a tall phone.
00:19:15
Conor Glennon
that's ah That's a very tough one, because is is has he learned from his mistakes?
00:19:17
Killian Ginnity
Because I think, I think he's prepared as rec.
00:19:19
Conor Glennon
Yeah. like ah The only thing is, for me, Nate, before you you jump on this one, like the thing I'd build on on Killian's question there is, is Villa his level? And I'm not demeaning Villa when I say that, but you know what I mean.
00:19:34
Nate
I'd say he wouldn't even want to unite a job.
00:19:38
Conor Glennon
That's a fair point.
00:19:39
Killian Ginnity
and i think I think you're right, yeah.
00:19:39
Nate
No, genuinely. Like, um, I think... I think he... I think he likes the Underdog mentality. And I think some managers like that and I think that's fine. Some managers are just very good at getting players to go with those versus them type mentality where it's, you know, you're the underdog although Villa are doing amazing, but Villa shouldn't be there. Do you know, like when we're thinking like, and so,
00:20:11
Nate
I don't think he'd want the United job and I don't think he should take it. I think he's got a great project building in there. I think the club have invested really well.
00:20:21
Nate
and They don't go out and buy world beaters. They're trying to get names, like trying to sign players just off names. and like I think he's doing great. like John Durand though, my thing would be, is the are we looking at a flash in the band type player?
00:20:37
Nate
like
00:20:37
Conor Glennon
I do worry about that as well. And he is exciting to watch. And I saw him before we hopped on. of He's possibly the scariest sight to see you when your team is 1-0 down because you know he's going to make it a hell of a lot worse for you.
00:20:48
Conor Glennon
But yeah, I do wonder. I hope not. He's a great player. And you know I'd love to see him continue on the level he's at. But I would have those concerns as well.
00:20:57
Killian Ginnity
He's 20 though.
00:20:58
Conor Glennon
You do forget that.
00:20:58
Nate
Yeah, but, but getting like, we've seen plenty of players come onto the scene and go and have like generational form, but last it doesn't last very
Role of Strikers in Team Success
00:21:09
Nate
long.
00:21:09
Conor Glennon
Adam Benariffer, you know, I hate to say it, but.
00:21:10
Nate
All I'm saying is, you know, you know, I'd had him pocketed when he came on. So like, yeah.
00:21:15
Killian Ginnity
Well, the thing, the thing though about him is he hasn't been a flash in the pan. Like it took him a little while to bed in. He's 30, 40 appearances and I don't think he's definitely having a moment.
00:21:27
Conor Glennon
He's having a moment. We'll put it that way. Whether it's flashing the party, he's having a moment.
00:21:28
Nate
No, but the flash in the pan part is where he's scoring in the same situations every day.
00:21:34
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:21:35
Nate
That's flash in the pan.
00:21:37
Conor Glennon
Jamie, I've already made a career of it, though.
00:21:40
Killian Ginnity
Iron Robin made a career of it. Like it is one of them kind of things.
00:21:42
Nate
But is
00:21:44
Killian Ginnity
Is where he's going from an inevitability and can he always be there?
00:21:50
Nate
that going to be his downfall?
00:21:50
Killian Ginnity
So far it seems to be, yeah.
00:21:52
Nate
Is that going to be his downfall that he is that type of player? Can you stake John Duran on for 90 minutes?
00:21:59
Killian Ginnity
I think it can.
00:21:59
Nate
We need to get the same output.
00:22:01
Conor Glennon
I don't know if we can do 90 minutes. I think he's a 70 minute, right?
00:22:03
Nate
I think it might work against them.
00:22:08
Killian Ginnity
In fairness though, like there's been plenty of, like, look at Ollie Gunnar Schalzkre. Like, you can make a very, very well respected long after you've retired career off of being a one one-trick pony, if that trick is damn good. And it seems that he has a damn good little trick.
00:22:26
Killian Ginnity
And in the Premier League, if you can guarantee 12, 15 goals, 16, 17 goals a season, well, then in the current market, you're a 40, 50, 60 million pound player.
00:22:37
Killian Ginnity
And that's nothing to be sniffed at. And I think that myself, an Arsenal, would be delighted to have that kind of a one trick pony that they can kind of go, yeah, as long as we can do X, he'll do Z,
00:22:39
Conor Glennon
Yeah. You're forgetting so young.
00:22:53
Conor Glennon
I think, I do see Renee it's coming from though, cause then there is a risk of him turning into a Eddie and Katia type player where yeah, he'll get you somewhere in and around seven, eight goals a year.
00:23:05
Conor Glennon
You know, it's valuable. It's marketable, but there's, there's plenty of those guys out there, you know?
00:23:09
Nate
and can i Can I make a prediction?
00:23:11
Conor Glennon
Go for it.
00:23:12
Killian Ginnity
I know.
00:23:12
Nate
I think we'll soon continue to do this for a little while. Top club won't name names who could be or whatever. Probably us.
00:23:25
Nate
We'll spend a lot of money on them. We'll end up having to start them due to the money they paid and I think we'll see a dip. That's how I think it will go for us. Although I'd love to see them kick on, I think that's how it'll go.
00:23:40
Killian Ginnity
I'm not sure. um I don't know about Villa selling to other Premier League teams.
00:23:43
Conor Glennon
It's very passable.
00:23:48
Killian Ginnity
um not no if the yeah Everybody has their price, but like not when it's currently like your rivals.
00:23:49
Conor Glennon
If the money's right.
00:23:56
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:23:57
Killian Ginnity
Ultimately, like you're you're going going up against Champions League qualification rivals there. like i think when you're When he's doing what he's doing in the Premier League, which we have seen time and time again, especially for strikers, is such a ridiculously hard league to break it any kind of ah niche into.
00:24:19
Killian Ginnity
If he got a big money move to Spain or Germany or Italy, he'd be spying on 25 goals and then suddenly
00:24:25
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:24:27
Killian Ginnity
Chelsea are going to spend 120 million on them and loan them back out the year later. like I think if as long as he keeps doing what he's doing in the Premier League, he'll have an absolutely fine one a fine career in the Premier League, valued very highly in a relative sense. If he goes to another league, he'll absolutely be a continental beater, not necessarily a world beater.
00:24:48
Killian Ginnity
And I think Villa are too clever to sell to another Premier League team, so if they do sell in two or three years after 30 goals, 40 goals in total over them two two or three more years, well then he's going to be a household name for the likes of a Barcelona.
00:25:02
Nate
Do you know what? I actually think if I'm a city, I'm breaking the bank room.
00:25:07
Conor Glennon
Oh wow, you've chair that's a change of tune, isn't it?
00:25:08
Killian Ginnity
What?
00:25:10
Nate
yeah
00:25:11
Killian Ginnity
It would fit for how you're saying about the subs and stuff.
00:25:12
Nate
I think...
00:25:14
Killian Ginnity
He would be the perfect Gabi Jesus replacement from like two years ago.
00:25:16
Nate
i That's exactly what I'm thinking.
00:25:16
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:25:18
Nate
is like If you need a guy behind Ernie Harland to come home for 20 minutes, I might as well be him. like like If you're a city, you don't have a backup striker.
00:25:30
Nate
I'd be buying him.
00:25:32
Killian Ginnity
a City don't need one though. They're bloody cheek.
00:25:33
Nate
No, but like, sure.
00:25:34
Killian Ginnity
Anyway, they'll be in the Super League in two years time. Don't worry about it.
00:25:36
Conor Glennon
Oh
A$AP Rocky and Tranmere Rovers
00:25:37
Conor Glennon
don't get started on this again.
00:25:37
Killian Ginnity
John Duran is going to have a much better career than being John Duran is going to have a much better career than being cities backup.
00:25:39
Nate
It'll be a big two, mate.
00:25:42
Conor Glennon
but
00:25:48
Nate
I don't know, watch this space.
00:25:53
Killian Ginnity
And Connor, you sent me something pretty bloody random on WhatsApp the other day.
00:26:00
Conor Glennon
Wouldn't be like me.
00:26:01
Killian Ginnity
No. um Tranmere Rovers, who I have to say, do you remember their old logo, the blue one?
00:26:09
Conor Glennon
I kind of, brief like I briefly do.
00:26:10
Nate
Oh.
00:26:11
Killian Ginnity
I don't like their new logo. I don't know how long they've had it. I don't like it. Can we just go back to the other one? um But apparently Tranmere Rovers, the household name echoing in the halls of English football history are going to be ah under somebody's new umbrella.
00:26:27
Killian Ginnity
Who is it, Connor?
00:26:28
Conor Glennon
Now, there is rumors swirling um that none other than the rapper A-Samp Rocky is part of an investment group looking to buy the club. So a bit of background, I suppose, on on where Tram are at at the moment. So there there's they're owned by joint owners, husband and wife, um with the kind of face of of the of the brand being Mark Palios. And he has been very tacked Gully and his comms about this because there's a lot of talk that there's NDAs out there that he's not allowed name check the potential investors. So he's cryptically said that ah he wants a deal to sell the League Two Club concluded ASAP, which is quite smart in his part.
00:27:12
Conor Glennon
um
00:27:12
Killian Ginnity
Love that, love that.
00:27:14
Conor Glennon
You might recognize his name. and He was previously the football association chief executive and and he also played and more than 280 appearances over two spells with Trammere. So he knows the club back to front and and kind of what he's had to say about the club is that the situation is that we've been looking for an investment in the club for almost two years. and The club has potential that is unrealized and it can be taken forward and we we haven't been ah kind of, we haven't had a for sale sign up, but they've been approached and that approach comes in the form of this investment group. Asap Rocky isn't, I can't believe I'm putting these two names together, but yeah, Asap Rocky is not fronting that investment group. He's a part of it. um and
00:27:55
Killian Ginnity
So is that kind of like Michael B. Jordan going into Bournemouth initially where it's kind of like, I'm happy to have my name associated with, but I'm not going to be like financing.
00:28:02
Conor Glennon
Exactly.
00:28:02
Nate
Oh lads, I thought A$AP Rocky and Rihanna loved it in Birkenhead. I thought that was where they went in holiday.
00:28:08
Conor Glennon
it's Now, the the stimulus for this comes in the form of a celebrity lawyer, Joe Takapina, and the investment group are looking at taking an 80% stake. and So I hear you saying already, gents, who the hell is Joe? um So the New York Times is referred to him as one of the greatest defense attorneys of all time.
00:28:32
Conor Glennon
He served as personal attorney for Donald Trump, Michael Jackson, Alex Rodriguez from American baseball and ASAP Rocky. So that's how they know each other.
00:28:44
Conor Glennon
So yeah.
00:28:44
Killian Ginnity
So it's kind of like a Johnny Cochran type to use the kind of more well-known name kind of like I have a problem call him up. He's the guy to go to
00:28:51
Conor Glennon
is yeah if you're if you're a big player and you are in a world of trouble you call our good friend joe and asap rocky currently is in that trouble um at the moment after allegedly um i should say allegedly on this one um firing a weapon at one of his friends so that is currently on the go that's how they met but asap rocky
00:28:51
Nate
What
00:29:13
Killian Ginnity
at he who has not fired at his own friend's castifer stone.
00:29:18
Conor Glennon
Um, the interesting thing about Takapina though, is it's not like what I imagined when I first heard he was involved where you'd think, well, has he, does he even watch football?
00:29:29
Conor Glennon
Has he been involved in football? He has, and he has for a while. Um, so he's previous.
00:29:35
Nate
Please tell me to send her back. Please tell me to...
00:29:38
Conor Glennon
he's He's previously at ownership positions at four different Italian clubs. um First of all, it was in 2011. He was part of the consortium that purchased Roma, and Takapina became vice chairman of the board of directors.
00:29:52
Conor Glennon
and all that All of his clubs that he's been involved and and in in Italy, he's kind of
00:29:52
Killian Ginnity
Oh, yes.
00:29:57
Conor Glennon
jumped in at the, at the ownership point and sold the shares and moved on to the next one. So after about three years there, um, he moved on and in 2014, he became the president of Bologna. Um, didn't stay too long there, moved on then again in 2015, where he Pershing's Venetia, uh, definitely have butchered the pronunciation of that. You will all know them for having some of the best football jerseys in world football.
00:30:22
Conor Glennon
um And that kind of seems to have been his longest stint up until 2021, where he became president and owner of Spal. So, you know, I don't know about you guys without knowing much about the guy, I think it's at least he's been involved in the game.
Challenges in Football Documentaries
00:30:38
Conor Glennon
And if he, yeah like, what your what's your take on it?
00:30:38
Nate
well
00:30:41
Killian Ginnity
in some some form.
00:30:42
Nate
Without disrespect to Trammere, it seems like he's going lower and lower every time he buys a claw. um I think it's interesting.
00:30:52
Nate
ah I think there's a thing where big investment groups are trying to get big names involved just to drive hype and interest into them buying a club.
00:31:03
Nate
I'd be very surprised how much ASAP Rocky is involved in it or is he even aware of it?
00:31:08
Conor Glennon
i say I think you arrive at that. I think it's very much, he has an association with celebrities, he's using that to garner interest in the club, get it across the line by getting the fans excited. But the thing that has come off the back of it, at least, all again, the deal hasn't even been done, so this is all just press chatter, but it seems like they're angling for a Welcome to Rexxent style series, and there's a somewhat of a bidding war between the streaming services for this.
00:31:35
Conor Glennon
now I don't know about you boys but I think welcome to Rexxum whether you love that show or hate us. They're the first, they'll be, they'll still be the big leader on it.
00:31:46
Conor Glennon
And these kinds of shows are not easy to pull off. You know, Welcome to Rexxum have made it look very easy. And you also have to remember that it's two actors at the top of this, one of, one of those who's been a show runner on a major show for over a decade.
00:32:00
Conor Glennon
So it's, it's, it's not just as simple as buy the club and how are you Disney come in and stick some cameras around the place.
00:32:02
Killian Ginnity
Mm-mm.
00:32:06
Killian Ginnity
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. They were not the first. the whole The whole reason they were signed was because of Sunderland Till I Die and at at their level.
00:32:10
Conor Glennon
Don't, well, i should I should say at their level.
00:32:18
Killian Ginnity
I think that's kind of where it actually makes it a little bit easier to them kind of shows because and they were really really good example of it is like how you can make minor, how you can get better players to come to a minor club by offering a bit more press to them.
00:32:18
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:32:35
Conor Glennon
Exposure.
00:32:37
Killian Ginnity
Like look at Paul Mullen at the Welsh Deadpool.
00:32:39
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:32:39
Killian Ginnity
He was in the movie.
00:32:41
Nate
what
00:32:41
Killian Ginnity
um So like ah little things like that are a nice thing to be able to offer. So will we have a load of Tranmere rappers? I think that'd be fun.
00:32:51
Nate
Yeah.
00:32:53
Killian Ginnity
Like I can't wait to see Rihanna's music video in the middle of the stadium. That'll be
Celebrity Investments in Football
00:32:58
Killian Ginnity
fun. um She got kicked out of an Irish field for being ah provocatively dressed. So they won't have the same problem in the middle of the stadium.
00:33:06
Killian Ginnity
and um No, like in fairness, your man, I would be, I wouldn't be putting all my ah eggs in his basket because it seems that he kind of either gets a club to a certain stage and sets it on to make money or moves on to a project where he takes he thinks he's going to be able to do that.
00:33:32
Killian Ginnity
Like um he's at
00:33:33
Conor Glennon
He was honest, like four clubs in 10 years is not as a fan what I want to see.
00:33:38
Killian Ginnity
No I'm like even like he's at Spal now and I'm pretty sure they have former Liverpool andulin and Solon and as a coach or manager and Dossina the left back the Italian dude I think he's involved there um but the club don't have any kind of marquee signings.
00:33:48
Conor Glennon
Oh yeah. Where are you?
00:33:56
Killian Ginnity
I think Finesse um they would always had a good kind of branding because of their jerseys it got better over
00:34:02
Nate
It felt like a hipster club, didn't it?
00:34:04
Conor Glennon
Yeah, big time.
00:34:05
Killian Ginnity
It is. Yeah, absolutely.
00:34:05
Nate
Yeah.
00:34:05
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:34:07
Killian Ginnity
But they seem to have gotten better since he left because you were saying he what he left for 2020 2021 in around then.
00:34:14
Conor Glennon
He was very briefly there. I think i think is ah think his involvement there was kind of the club were in not financial troubles, but I think there was an owner who wanted out, he talked it and you know.
00:34:25
Killian Ginnity
But you see, I think what his main thing, though, is it's not necessarily that he takes these clubs on to make money himself, that he kind of gets into a stage where other American investors comes in. And I think that's the crux of it, because that's what happens at Venezia.
00:34:35
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:34:36
Nate
That's where he makes his money.
00:34:38
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, he he comes in, stabilizes the ship. Here's the reality. yeah I'm your lawyer anyway, so you already know. And having the likes of ISAP Rocky and Rihanna attached is going to bring an intrinsic value of like, they're going to be worth 10 times what they were yesterday, just because of
00:34:53
Conor Glennon
Cause even if you look at Asa Rocky, like he's got a connection with the Jordan brand through Nike that brings eyes in that regard.
00:34:58
Killian Ginnity
Mm.
00:35:00
Conor Glennon
He's got global fame. You've got that. Even if he turns up to three games a year, you know, you're getting on ESPN, like it, it changes the course of the club.
00:35:10
Killian Ginnity
A year ago, him wearing a Trammere Rovers jersey on stage would have been like on SportsBible and SportsJoe and all them kind of pages because why is he doing that?
00:35:18
Conor Glennon
Oh yeah.
00:35:21
Killian Ginnity
Whereas now he does the same thing. It will still get the press and it will sell a lot of of kit, ultimately.
00:35:30
Nate
Imagine Tranmere Rovers rocking about in Jordan League too. That would be unreal.
00:35:37
Killian Ginnity
Plus,
00:35:38
Nate
I actually need to see that. like
00:35:40
Killian Ginnity
There's the other thing as well that it shouldn't be kind of on underestimated, um he says, as as the freak of the group at football manager, is like Rexxum for the past two or three years have been one of the most used clubs in football manager.
00:35:54
Conor Glennon
Really?
00:35:54
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, just because people like as Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney are the ones that talk to you in it.
00:35:57
Conor Glennon
yeah
00:35:59
Killian Ginnity
um And like even Rexxum had a ah deal where in FIFA or EA Sports FC, I think was the last one before the,
00:36:06
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:36:09
Conor Glennon
The change over here.
00:36:10
Killian Ginnity
names which and they were in the rest of world because they were still in the National League and so so they don't have the rights for it.
00:36:15
Conor Glennon
Oh yeah.
00:36:18
Killian Ginnity
But when you would play as Rexxum against the likes of Liverpool, Ryan Reynolds actually recorded commentary lines
00:36:25
Conor Glennon
dot cool
00:36:26
Killian Ginnity
So like, I don't i don't think Tranmere would be as clever as that or A$AP Rocky would be as clever as that, but there is these little things that make you more of a household name and would make and give a new kind of thing.
00:36:30
Conor Glennon
yeah
00:36:40
Killian Ginnity
And it it is something that is starting to grow of proper football tourism where people will come from abroad to go and visit your club and make a bit more of a spectacle of it. And whether or not that's actually done under A$AP Rocky and Rihanna's kind of vision or anything like that, having them attached is almost going to guarantee it.
00:37:00
Killian Ginnity
And it kind of brings in a separate issue of American ownership and absentee ownership from a pun far, which
00:37:11
Conor Glennon
This, and this was, what I was going to say, so like, you know, not to go through everyone who's been involved, but I think there's a couple of ones here that some you probably know, some you you might not like. We all know Tom Brady is minority owner and Birmingham hasn't really done much for them in that regard at least spot.
00:37:25
Killian Ginnity
But splash in the cash.
00:37:26
Nate
Goes to games.
00:37:26
Killian Ginnity
The rest of the consortium are splashed in the cash.
00:37:27
Nate
Goes to games as well. He's been out of the game.
00:37:29
Conor Glennon
He got goes to games, but I mean, i there hasn't been that McElhenney pickup or Ryan Reynolds pickup. One that has definitely in the States had pickup is JJ Watt being a share shareholder of Burnley.
00:37:43
Conor Glennon
That's only since May, 2023. And you will see Burnley hats all over the States just because he wears them. Now, whether people are buying them for fashion and association to him, I don't know, but there is a merchandise pickup there.
00:37:53
Killian Ginnity
Well, he, him and Brady both being kind of ah very well known American football players. ah So they're the only ones you can really kind of compare, but what shows you how to do it right and Brady shows you how to do it wrong.
00:38:08
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:38:09
Killian Ginnity
what has come in and not spashed cash or anything like that but he's gone on the likes of this as football and actually talked ball with former pros and he he admits when he doesn't know but he's willing to learn and he has that eagerness so you can
00:38:22
Conor Glennon
He also put a team in TST as well, you know.
00:38:25
Killian Ginnity
yeah so like He has that kind of like, he he would give you every reason to buy into him.
00:38:30
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:38:30
Killian Ginnity
Whereas ah Brady kind of gives you every reason for the fickle fans, the plastic newbies kind of go, Oh look, we're splashing the cash in league one 10 million on a bloody player.
00:38:37
Nate
yeah wait is there americans actually rocking around wearing burly hats god they visit the place like before yeah yes the anger
00:38:41
Conor Glennon
Like you look at Brady as well, they're like, he's just become a minority owner of the Raiders in the NFL. Like he's not, in Birmingham's not going to be in his mind. That is going to be in his mind. That is in his wheelhouse. That is way more of his attention time now, you know?
00:38:57
Conor Glennon
There is, yeah. Honest to God, right? So Pat McAfee, I don't know if you guys have heard of him. He kind of has a daily podcast show in the States. Yeah. um So JJ White is a segment on that show, I think once a week, but he's, any time he's been on the Pat McAfee show for the last, I'd say 18 months, he's been rocking that Burnley hat and they are like, you know, start seeing them at college game days and stuff. They're, they're grown.
00:39:22
Conor Glennon
The one group of investors that I don't know if you lads were aware of this though. Um, so Jordan Spieth, golfer, obviously, Justin Thomas golfer, Russell Westbrook, and Will Ferrell are all minority stakeholders and lead, which I didn't know that.
00:39:38
Nate
I know Will Ferrell's a big lead fan. Huge, apparently.
00:39:42
Killian Ginnity
Will Ferrell's been involved with Walpole for a long time. He was one of the initial investors in LAFC.
00:39:46
Conor Glennon
Yeah, he's big on that. And he kind of speak he kind of spearheaded the second coming of the MLS, I suppose, celebrity ownership side of things.
00:39:48
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:39:53
Conor Glennon
But see, again, that that collective, I think of all of those that we've mentioned. oh Sorry, last one is Michael B. Jordan with Bournemouth, which we um already mentioned. But I think out of all those ones that isn't Rexxum, it's JJ Watt and Burnley.
00:40:06
Conor Glennon
That's kind of the one you'd want with you.
00:40:09
Killian Ginnity
it's It's the most stable looking of the lot of them. um Like the leads one doesn't surprise me. I didn't know the rest that the rest of the others were involved. I knew there was something to do with Will Ferrell, um but they also seem to be kind of gaming for a Red Bull takeover more complete than they already, like I think they have a percentage anyway.
00:40:26
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:40:30
Killian Ginnity
So like that kind of seems to be more of a an investment opportunity. And that's kind of the worry and especially say the likes of um Brady. him and his investors and the investors around him can of afford to waste 50, 60 million over the space of two years.
00:40:48
Killian Ginnity
So Nate, are these the play of things of millionaires now and is Tranmere going to be the same?
00:40:49
Nate
Easy.
00:40:57
Nate
Well, let's establish one thing for us. Trami is now the biggest club in Liverpool.
00:41:02
Killian Ginnity
ha
00:41:07
Nate
I find them a bit weird. I struggled to invest in a football club that I didn't have personal love and ties for. and I know that, yeah,
00:41:17
Killian Ginnity
But I think you need to consider it as like you taking over a baseball team or a basketball team, a sport where you don't necessarily care.
00:41:19
Nate
Yeah. Yeah. Boy, why would you want to get involved in a sport you don't necessarily care about if, if, like, if your goal is not to just just make money and the JJ Watt wouldn't seem sincere.
00:41:38
Conor Glennon
I should also say JJ Watt's wife is an incredibly good professional football player and has been for a long for she for a long time.
00:41:42
Nate
Yeah.
00:41:45
Killian Ginnity
Oh.
00:41:46
Conor Glennon
like he He's close to the game.
00:41:48
Killian Ginnity
ah he He was living it regardless.
00:41:50
Conor Glennon
Yeah, like he was in and around.
00:41:50
Nate
Well, it's not the most exciting ownership, I don't think. Brady's a weird one. he He'd be someone that I'm like, I don't really know what's going on here because he's flashing the cash.
00:42:04
Conor Glennon
I think he's looking at it as a portfolio play. I think he's a businessman and I think he has multiple brands. like i I think from a businessman perspective, if it has to be an athlete, I'd take the Tom Brady play and then from a from ah just vibes and pure point of view, I'd be taking the JJ Wap. But i where I do worry is where you see these guys coming in, the likes of Bournemouth leads, not to you know demean any club, but like when it's a Rexxum or a Tranmere, it's like not too much can go wrong here. But when you're at the top level, at least personally, like I don't name your favorite celebrity. I don't think you'd really want them involved in Man United, or I wouldn't want them at the tune. And I don't think you'd want them at Sonoran either.
00:42:46
Conor Glennon
you know
00:42:46
Nate
The thing is, I'll defend Will Ferrell on his when he's been to loads of games.
00:42:51
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:42:51
Nate
I've seen him at loads of these games, so at least...
00:42:54
Killian Ginnity
But he also doesn't over-impose himself on any of the clubs he's been involved with. He'll be there, but he doesn't try to boss them, which is a very, very good thing he'd want from a celebrity owner.
00:42:59
Nate
Yeah.
00:43:02
Nate
a I sort of respect it more when they're not trying to do the flashy camera stuff. Like, I'm not wrong with Rexxum, because I think it's the first one to be done, and I think it looks cool.
00:43:13
Conor Glennon
Hmm.
00:43:14
Nate
And I think there's good intentions behind it. and my thing would be I wouldn't want bad actors then coming and doing the same and just trying to make a quick book where I think we could start to see that is I'm not saying Ace of Rocky would but if that's their place to try and sell a TV show is it purely just because they seem what happened at Rexxum and trying to rec recreate that like and to me that's not cool
00:43:22
Conor Glennon
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:37
Conor Glennon
100% in my book. And I should say, boys, on and the price side of this. Now, bear in mind, when Ryan Reynolds took over Wrexham, they were in the National League and not League 2, where Tranmere are. um But they bought the club for $2.5 million. and That didn't include the stadium, so.
00:43:54
Conor Glennon
you know, really cheap deal. Their Netflix deal pretty much covered the buyout on that. Tranmere for the 80% stake. I don't know if the stadium is included in this, but it's coming in at 15 million is what they're saying.
00:44:07
Conor Glennon
Again, nothing to someone like an ASAP Rocky, because he's probably only at 10% of the 80%. But 15 million seems hefty enough for what Tranmere is, you know?
00:44:13
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:44:19
Killian Ginnity
Well, it's hefty when you consider Sunderland was sold for sub 100 million.
00:44:25
Conor Glennon
Yeah Really?
00:44:26
Killian Ginnity
i think we I think we actually ended up going for like 40 million. i um to to when we were ah So season two of Sunderland until I die.
00:44:34
Conor Glennon
Yeah Well
00:44:35
Killian Ginnity
And and most of that was ended ended up being leveraged off of parachute payments going to the old owner. like We went for like relatively nothing. Now, I do think that Football has a more intrinsic value now ah from a financial sense just because of the likes of Rexxum and all that. I think the media spectacle that is now Rexxum is actually good because it's a little bit more organic.
00:45:02
Killian Ginnity
the like That is how Ryan Reynolds actually made his money, is by kind of leveraging his face off of brands and then leveraging his face and brands off of other brands. And that's what he's doing with Nexom.
00:45:12
Conor Glennon
He's an incredibly savvy businessman, whether you like him or not, you know.
00:45:14
Killian Ginnity
But it means that the club is earning their own money.
00:45:16
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:45:17
Killian Ginnity
That's the difference. And it's not necessarily an investment and it's not necessarily coming from one of his other companies. So it's actually long term clever because it actually as we did the little experiment a few weeks ago about ah doing deals within businesses that are partially owned by your owners and all that murkiness, it kind of dodges that, which is really, really good.
00:45:38
Killian Ginnity
with Tranmere at that kind of ah value, um it puts a level of expectation of success that the club isn't built for. um But it also, ah I think there may be underestimating uh how insular the city of Liverpool is and that general area they have their clubs and they don't like like their Liverpool and then their English and I think there's not that kind of different level of buy-in Welsh in an English league so it was there was that kind of like us versus them where rather than
00:46:14
Conor Glennon
Also, they're a they're they're a city, the Earth, not city, a town that's been forgotten. and And like we said earlier at the top of the show, it goes back to that kind of siege mentality. They're very much we're a forgotten place.
00:46:24
Conor Glennon
It's also against the world. There's more buying. There's nothing else going on.
00:46:27
Nate
for
00:46:27
Killian Ginnity
but but that But because Tranmere already in their area have that with two other clubs, it's going to be a kind of hard one to break in.
00:46:32
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:46:34
Killian Ginnity
And ah just one last thing on Brady at Birmingham. This is why you don't buy football clubs after watching Netflix.
00:46:41
Conor Glennon
Hmm.
00:46:42
Killian Ginnity
They're not Peaky Blinders. Like, I guarantee you by next season, there's going to be some kind of crossover there just because he's going to have a notion and buy himself a flat cap.
00:46:51
Nate
I do think Birmingham is a cool club to buy.
Potential of Birmingham City
00:46:56
Nate
Does that make sense?
00:46:56
Conor Glennon
they' they i I actually agree with them here because it's there they're different.
00:46:56
Killian Ginnity
Why?
00:46:57
Nate
I i think they're a big city in England. and I think they have the capacity to be a huge club if they got it right.
00:47:09
Nate
and I do.
00:47:09
Killian Ginnity
oh
00:47:11
Nate
I think Birmingham City, look at the size of LA.
00:47:12
Conor Glennon
I'm with them on this one.
00:47:13
Killian Ginnity
No.
00:47:16
Nate
They're in a huge city in Liverpool, or not in England. um And I think they're really, good position club that if they got it right and got back into the Premier League and built, they could genuinely be a huge club.
00:47:31
Killian Ginnity
I don't know. At least Phil will have some kind of history to build on. Who are you going to build on with ah Birmingham?
00:47:34
Nate
I think you...
00:47:36
Killian Ginnity
Nicola Ziggich and Seb Larson.
00:47:38
Nate
I just...
00:47:39
Conor Glennon
Birmingham are a fighting club though, and I think they're the kind of work of mine's club that people buy in on. I think that's where there's potential for that team to grow.
00:47:47
Nate
yeah and just on the 15 million for Trammere that probably sort of makes sense if it involves their 18,000 seater stadium but that's a big stadium for for these two
00:47:56
Conor Glennon
see yeah that i was See, that's where it hinges on for me in my head though. If the stadium's included in that, good get. If the stadium's not, I don't know. Yeah.
00:48:08
Killian Ginnity
That's say is one ah one of the American billion dollar jackpots tax-free And you can choose a celebrity and a club to buy in the English pyramid.
00:48:22
Nate
Oh,
00:48:22
Killian Ginnity
Let's take out your own clubs because they're going to be but out out of out of buying capabilities, let's say.
00:48:26
Nate
that's a hard question.
00:48:28
Killian Ginnity
Who would you go for? Which club do you think could you make into a into a bigger?
00:48:30
Nate
You go first, Connor.
00:48:31
Conor Glennon
Oh, this is very tough. Does it, does it have to be, ah you see, I get in the road of like, okay, if I've got that kind of money, I don't want too much stress.
00:48:44
Conor Glennon
I'm probably going to have a yacht somewhere. So I need to be near the water. I'd be going then I'd be going like a como type team is what I'd be looking at.
00:48:54
Nate
so in england
00:48:54
Killian Ginnity
No, let's say England. Let's say the English Pyramid.
00:48:57
Conor Glennon
Has to be England.
00:48:57
Killian Ginnity
So that it's that's it. We're going to English Pyramid.
00:49:00
Conor Glennon
oh Jesus I would take Gateshead as it's in Newcastle so I can still watch my beloved Newcastle or it's near Newcastle and yeah I think go proper bottom of everything and just pure vibes it it'd be cheap but wouldn't be too much of a problem if it went Irish ways yeah Gateshead for me
00:49:06
Killian Ginnity
Oh.
00:49:17
Nate
No, in England.
00:49:25
Killian Ginnity
Nice.
00:49:26
Nate
oh this is this is um no um I
00:49:30
Conor Glennon
Would you go Salford? Take it off the boys? FC United?
00:49:45
Conor Glennon
See, it's funny you say Wofford.
00:49:46
Killian Ginnity
Oh.
00:49:46
Conor Glennon
Wofford were in my head too, but I didn't know how to justify it apart from liking them.
00:49:51
Nate
I think there's just a big area that is near London that I think has potential. like i That's how I'd view it in my business mind, although I'm not very good at business, but that's how I'd view it. and Celebrity that I'd pick.
00:50:09
Nate
oh Post Malone.
00:50:13
Conor Glennon
Wow, okay.
00:50:14
Killian Ginnity
Oh.
00:50:15
Nate
That's random, but that's who I'd pick.
00:50:18
Conor Glennon
Kenyon, who you saying?
00:50:19
Nate
Post Malone, I want to offer it.
Irish Players Going International
00:50:23
Killian Ginnity
I think um if I was going to do a club because you'd want to kind of sell yourself as doing things the right way, I would take over AFC Wimbledon, London based as well.
00:50:32
Nate
Bye.
00:50:35
Conor Glennon
You London Charlies, you two.
00:50:35
Killian Ginnity
and Well, I don't care about London. I wouldn't necessarily be kind of planning on visiting. It would make things a whole lot easier, but like it makes it easier for bigger players to come earlier because you're based in London and um or the London boroughs.
00:50:48
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:50:52
Killian Ginnity
It's a nice area as well, because I would be making deals with the tennis and I would have somebody like ah a Roger Federer involved or something like that.
00:51:02
Nate
ohavy
00:51:02
Killian Ginnity
Sportster, loads of money, lots of connections based in Switzerland, so it's tax free.
00:51:07
Nate
but
00:51:08
Conor Glennon
I forgot to say who my celebrities were. and ah If I'm picking Gateshead, I'm having a duo. It's an an investment group of me and two others. It's going to be Sam Fender, local lad, and James Bay.
00:51:22
Conor Glennon
The three of us are going to have a little supergroup of a band down the boozer, and we're going to take Gateshead to the moon.
00:51:24
Nate
Oh, sorry.
00:51:30
Killian Ginnity
jesus that is um yeah that is very i
00:51:33
Nate
I think Post Malone or Wofford takes all this.
00:51:37
Conor Glennon
i'd i'd i'd be I would be interested in that.
00:51:37
Nate
Takes all this.
00:51:40
Killian Ginnity
just don't think post Malone has the money oh
00:51:42
Conor Glennon
He has FU money made.
00:51:42
Nate
Oh, he's minted.
00:51:45
Killian Ginnity
he has f-u money but i don't i don't think he has ASAP Rocky money yeah
00:51:48
Conor Glennon
No.
00:51:49
Nate
Oh yes he did.
00:51:49
Conor Glennon
But A$AP Rocky's losing his arse on that core case. Not the current one.
00:51:51
Nate
ne He has more, I reckon he has more money than Ace, I promise.
00:51:52
Killian Ginnity
but Rihanna isn't that oh not sure about that
00:51:53
Conor Glennon
right Well lads, they got more money than us.
00:52:01
Killian Ginnity
But there is a few...
00:52:01
Nate
A$AP Rocky's net worth is $20 million postman owns a in this?
00:52:07
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, but what's Rihanna's?
00:52:08
Conor Glennon
A billion.
00:52:09
Killian Ginnity
Because like she's...
00:52:12
Conor Glennon
No.
00:52:12
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, well, they're a married reach couple.
00:52:14
Nate
Yeah, but come on.
00:52:15
Killian Ginnity
They're a married couple, so... ah Because the way i i like the postcard sent me ah that kicked off all of this conversation was A$AP Rocky and Rihanna.
00:52:23
Conor Glennon
Well, i I did, I think it was brilliant that every single article, A$AP Rocky was, the he was called Brianna's boyfriend or husband in every single article, which was great to see.
00:52:37
Killian Ginnity
um But speaking of money and money co going into hands, Nate, does the League of Ireland like to get a load of it?
00:52:44
Nate
it looks like um yeah same path huh saint pat and um kind of real in the money um for mason melia and um michael noon and so i think
00:52:46
Killian Ginnity
Well, two teams anyway.
00:52:48
Conor Glennon
Who?
00:52:51
Conor Glennon
whos who's Who's getting the money?
00:53:04
Nate
I think it's good. I think they're two very top players and I think they're players that need to go abroad and get a bit of... go through the the academy systems over there like that will bring them to that next level.
00:53:18
Nate
I think it's just about finding the right club now.
00:53:20
Conor Glennon
And who, do we know who's sniffing around?
00:53:23
Nate
Yeah, so Manchester City is never around Michael Noonan, which is really exciting.
00:53:28
Killian Ginnity
He was brilliant as a football manager.
00:53:29
Nate
Brilliant in real life as well when he made his debut during the night.
00:53:33
Conor Glennon
More importantly.
00:53:34
Nate
And he looked really good for for for his age. And I don't think there's a bad glove that he noted. It pains me to say that Manchester seek you to develop. There's the talks of Melia going to Spurs.
00:53:52
Killian Ginnity
That'd be a little bit of a worry.
00:53:52
Nate
and It's Troy Power V2.
00:53:54
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:53:56
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:53:56
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:53:57
Nate
It's like,
00:53:58
Killian Ginnity
They don't necessarily have the greatest kind of throughput to the first first team.
00:54:02
Nate
Exactly. And a spirit.
00:54:05
Conor Glennon
You'd be better going somewhere like West Ham or something, you know?
00:54:08
Nate
Yeah. So like, it's it's exciting. and I think these are the things that we've probably missed since Brexit is players not being able to move young. And I think these two players with the talent that they have moving at 16, like bring it on.
00:54:25
Nate
You know what I mean?
00:54:26
Killian Ginnity
Do you reckon it's gonna be more than the, like, bazooning move, like, fee-wise?
00:54:27
Nate
Exciting.
00:54:31
Conor Glennon
How much was that? Do we know?
00:54:33
Nate
Zuni was 500k.
00:54:34
Killian Ginnity
Uh... Three or four hundred thousand? Or five hundred, wow.
00:54:36
Conor Glennon
Okay.
00:54:37
Nate
Um... Possibly? but
00:54:40
Conor Glennon
City, yes. Spurs won't pay that money.
00:54:45
Killian Ginnity
Eh, I'm not too sure.
00:54:46
Nate
But...
00:54:46
Killian Ginnity
Like, Melia is fairly experienced for a 17 year old or is the 18 now.
00:54:50
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:54:52
Killian Ginnity
Um, but it's not a lot of money in in the grand scheme of things for them. Like even when you're going from a concert compensation deal for taking a youth player off another team, you're talking that minimum.
00:55:02
Nate
Yeah. and plus go to Academy Budges as well. and I wouldn't be surprised if just at the age of my gunner than it is if he if it could be over a million possibly.
00:55:17
Conor Glennon
Well.
00:55:17
Nate
I wouldn't be surprised.
00:55:17
Killian Ginnity
Why?
00:55:19
Nate
and
00:55:19
Killian Ginnity
Well, in fairness, I think if if they can get any so form of sell-on fees in either of them, may be better it'd be better to take the caught on the initial fee to get the better sell-on fee.
00:55:23
Conor Glennon
You'd have to. Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:28
Nate
Yeah.
00:55:29
Conor Glennon
Get a 15 to 20% are in there and take a couple hundred K and see what happens.
00:55:34
Killian Ginnity
Nathan, which one do you think would go... like Crystal the Ball out, which one do you think has a higher ceiling?
00:55:44
Nate
I think... Oh, that's a difficult one. I think Michael Noonan's gone to the right place. That could raise a ceiling even higher. I think Melia looks like a special player.
00:55:56
Killian Ginnity
yeah
00:55:57
Nate
Dad, from what I've watched, he's so good on the ball. He's so physical for his age. He's a proper striker. and that I really hope he finds the right club because I think we've got two gems there and to me I'm just excited because we're starting to see like ah this is what we want to see as Ireland football fans is two players getting the move to big clubs that will be developed and we'll hopefully see the fruits of it in a couple of days.
00:56:25
Conor Glennon
That's what we've been praying out for.
00:56:25
Killian Ginnity
Like an Yeah, and I know we kind of said like the potential issue with Spurs kind of like Detroit Power 2.0, but I think when you've kind of actually kind of bought and brought in a player and have to kind of woo them a little bit, there's a little bit more incentive for them to make it a little bit more effort rather than coming through the academy and kind of being able to take them for granted.
00:56:44
Nate
is
00:56:45
Killian Ginnity
So.
00:56:45
Nate
There's also that guy, I can't remember his name, and Derry, they just went to Wolves as well, so he's in Irish international he's an irish age International too.
00:56:51
Killian Ginnity
Hmm.
00:56:54
Nate
So there's good movement going on, we just need to see more of it. and
00:56:59
Conor Glennon
We just, you just hope they don't get scalped by the English FA for the, for the three lines is the only worry.
00:57:05
Nate
i
00:57:05
Killian Ginnity
ah know like I think by the time you're going over 18 you're kind of know what what's what and where they the of the land is for your own international future. You'd hope.
00:57:15
Nate
Exactly.
00:57:16
Conor Glennon
I will say, I will say based off names, allow Michael Newton sends like an account and so he might but um be the one going the furthest.
00:57:16
Nate
yeah
00:57:24
Killian Ginnity
ah In fairness, he would make a great local Councillor or TD. And on that bombshell, gentlemen, um we've literally gone from all around the world tonight.
00:57:36
Killian Ginnity
um And my my thanks to yous, Connor Glennon, Nathan Byrne. I thank you very much. And we'll chat to you next week for a very spooky episode.
00:57:45
Nate
Yeah. Ooh, bye.
00:57:48
Conor Glennon
but Bye-bye.