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The Losers
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This week, we're stretching the definition of a superhero movie a bit, but it's based on a DC/Vertigo comic book, so we're going to allow it. Ariel Ortiz of the Undercast Company podcast network makes her debut on the show to talk about The Losers, featuring many future MCU alums like Chris Evans, Zoe Saldana, and Idris Elba.
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Been a long time since I want to call me a girl.
Introduction to Superhero Cinephiles Podcast
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Welcome to the Superhero Cinephiles Podcast. I'm your host, Perry Constantine, and welcoming a new guest today, but who's another connection from a recent guest we've had on, and that is Ariel Ortiz. Ariel, how are you doing today? Hi, I'm doing very well. Thank you for having me on. Well, thanks for coming on.
Ariel Ortiz on Underrated Films and Pop Culture
00:01:59
Speaker
So you do a podcast with Derek McDuff, I believe, right?
00:02:03
Speaker
Yes, who was recently on this show talking about Spider-Man 2. Spider-Man 2. Yeah, yeah. And so yeah, we have a company called Undercast Company, and our flagship podcast is the Underrated Podcast. And besides that, where we just, that podcast actually, we discuss films that are considered underrated, underappreciated, or those I've just slipped under the radar and passed most people by.
00:02:31
Speaker
Besides that podcast, I do have my own podcast called You've Never Seen? exclamation point. And that's a podcast where I kind of like take people or somebody else guides me through a movie that's considered a part of pop culture or cinematic history.
00:02:51
Speaker
Um, and, um, we discuss it after somebody, when myself or somebody else watches it for the first time. Yeah. It was just recent. I was kind of a little late to this recording a bit because I was watching the thing for the first time, um, for my Halloween episode. So yeah. Okay. Cool. Um,
00:03:10
Speaker
So I had said this to Derek too, and I'm gonna say it to you as well because I wanna put you both on the spot. If you guys ever do Alien 3 on Underrated, you gotta have me on because I think that is definitely an underrated film.
00:03:22
Speaker
Oh no, yeah, I've never seen actually the original Alien movies, but I do know the concept of Alien 3. Like I kind of like, I've seen the, what is it? The Netflix series, the movies that made us. So like Alien was one of them. And then they kind of like talked about the subsequent movies and stuff like that. And so I do know like the concept of Alien 3 at least, but yeah, definitely just based on the concept seems like a underrated film as well.
00:03:51
Speaker
That's one you should probably have on your own show then, too, is Alien, because that's a classic. Oh, yeah. I know. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of like a definitely considering that I have I've never watched the thing. There's definitely a lot of sci fi 80s movies that I've never watched. You know, 70s, 80s movies. Yeah. Yeah.
Ariel's Journey into Nerd Culture and Cinema
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Speaker
So let's go ahead and talk a little bit about you. So what was kind of your entry point into the world of like nerdy shit in general, basically? Yeah.
00:04:19
Speaker
Yeah, actually, I, I've always like grown up with like kind of like cinema nerd kind of stuff like we just were discussing on our under eight podcasts like we're doing a series of at least of this recording of
00:04:35
Speaker
old movies and stuff like that from like the 50s 60s and that's some of the movies I actually grew up with so I wasn't until like we were talking about those movies I was like oh I do do kind of have like a interesting like upbringing with with movies because of watching all these old movies and
00:04:54
Speaker
Yeah, but it wasn't until like the the I didn't get into full nerd. I guess you can say nerd mode like until I would say the my freshman year of high school because that is the time when I started watching like television shows like a lot more like like television shows that that are you know are
00:05:17
Speaker
ongoing thing, not just the kids shows that have like a one and done episode and stuff like that you could weave in and out of. But yeah, so it wasn't until then and my first kind of like I would equate my first kind of like entry points into nerdom were actually the TV show heroes.
00:05:35
Speaker
Oh, okay. Also an underrated. In my opinion, I love heroes. Like, I mean, I do owe a lot because I, it made me into a nerd. And then, and then yeah, like scrubs as well. Like those are kind of scrubs is scrubs is like one of my is, it's like my comfort food.
00:05:51
Speaker
Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And then, yeah, so from before that, like I would have like, um, just the most nerd kind of things I would, I had were like, I loved, um, uh, the ghostbusters, especially I grew up at the time when the extreme Ghostbusters, um, aired, which I don't know. That's an under, yeah, that's an underrated show. I remember watching that too. That was amazing. That's amazing. Yeah.
00:06:17
Speaker
And it was pretty dark, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The first episode, even like with the whole thing, I could if you ever want me back on that, because that's like kind of like a limited series, sadly, because it didn't last. I think it last me two years. Something like that. I would definitely talk about that one as well. OK, we'll have to put a pin in that. Maybe we'll come back to that at some point. Yeah.
Ariel's Superhero and Comics Fascination
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Speaker
So we're talking, you know, basically about this podcast focuses on superhero type stuff. So what about superhero? Well, I guess heroes then would have been your gateway drug into that. But what about like, have you ever been into any of the comic books or anything like that? Or is it just like movies and TV for you?
00:06:58
Speaker
So, so yeah, my entry into that was like, yeah, about exactly the same time as that, or maybe a little bit earlier. I did, I did like buy, get my first comic book, which is actually from, um, Albertsons. And it was, you know, how they have the news stand kind of section. It was like these like, um, small graphic novels of comic books.
00:07:19
Speaker
And yeah, the first comic that I ever bought and read was a Fantastic Four. I don't even know what series or anything like that. But it was like an early 2000s. So it was like a Fantastic Four. I think it was an Ultimate Spider-Man and then the Marvel Encyclopedia. So yeah, for the most part, when it comes to comics, I switch around. I think I'm diverse with it.
00:07:47
Speaker
Um, I am, I do read, um, Marvel and DC. Um, but for my entry into like superheroes in my first superhero movie that like, I could kind of like clearly remember at least that I kind of gravitated towards was a movie that you guys, um, you guys covered called the spirit. And that was going to be my first choice when coming on. And then I was looking at the episodes that you've done. I'm like, damn, he's done this spirit. I'm like, of all things.
Analyzing 'The Losers' Movie
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But.
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The Spirit, that was one of the, like, for the most part on this show, you know, we try to do, try to be positive about a lot of the movies, but every so often we get a movie that we just can't really find much to be positive about, and The Spirit was one of those. I could have brought the positivity. I love that movie. I love Gabriel Mach. So you're the one. You're the one. Yes, I am the one. Yeah, I definitely, I think I watched it. I watched it in theaters, and then, yeah, like, I was one of the,
00:08:44
Speaker
going back to Albertsons, one of the ones I rented a couple of times, and I do own it. Did you actually listen to the episode we did on The Spirit? I haven't been able to, I need to, but I'm like, oh no. It's probably good that you decided to come on the show before listening to that episode.
00:09:01
Speaker
I'm okay. I'm fine. I'm used to being an outlier sometimes when it comes to pop culture opinions. But yeah, and then, then, you know, with heroes, and then the then the miraculous MCU came out. And from then I just been
00:09:21
Speaker
I love the MCU, like it's my bread and butter when it comes to things sometimes. But then also at the same time, Arrow came out and that one, that television show has essentially like been one of the cornerstones of my life. It kind of like led me into like doing some cosplaying and stuff like that. And like actually like,
00:09:50
Speaker
connecting with more people through my love of Arrow and the Arrowverse. And so yeah, so that's kind of like the keystones of my nerdism,
Impact of Arrowverse on Ariel's Life
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Speaker
you could say, was those things. Yeah. Yeah. I was big on the Arrowverse for a while. And then after Crisis, it seems to have just kind of like, it feels like it's going out on kind of a fizzle.
00:10:13
Speaker
Well, it is essentially going on in Fizzle and then, but one of the best things that came out of it was Sights Arrow itself, which is an incredible like run of a show in itself. But also like currently, I would definitely recommend Superman and Lois. Yes. Yeah. Such an incredible series. Although they decoupled that from the Arrowverse now because
00:10:38
Speaker
Um, essentially it's like, I would say that it's kind of like more like an else worlds because John Diggle. There's a John Diggle. And, um, in the, uh, when Sam Lane said that, you know, Superman is the only hero on this earth. He did make mention to like, you know, there, but other earths and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:57
Speaker
Um, but yeah, I love that show. I just finished, uh, the second season, um, about a few weeks ago, actually. And yeah. Well, we'll see what happens with the unfortunate things with not just the whole Papa Warner, but, um, but also with, uh, the recasting of, of one of the sons. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that recently as well. Um, and I know there wasn't much information about why he didn't come back, but I've heard that he had some, um,
00:11:26
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Um, he's had some mental health issues in the past too. So I, so I hope it's, you know, nothing too serious. Um, so that's a, that's a, that was disappointing to hear about that. Cause I really liked him in the show. That shows so perfectly. Yeah. Yeah. And like, I, like, yeah, like, um, Tyler Heckland, man, like you would not know.
00:11:47
Speaker
from that, you know, the guy from Teen Wolf would be perfect Clark Kent Superman. Yeah. Yeah. My only, my one criticism of him is that I wish we'd get to see him more like the Clark Kent. No, no, no, not that. I actually think we get a good amount of that, but he's basically playing, you know, a more open Clark Kent because he's, we mostly only see him with his family. We don't really see the Clark Kent facade all that much. So I don't get to see much of that differentiation between him and Superman.
00:12:17
Speaker
We saw a little bit about that when he was in Supergirl. But I would like to see a little bit more, put them in more situations where he's got that opportunity to be that more metropolis type Clark. Yeah, we need more metropolis.
00:12:33
Speaker
But anyway, today we are talking about something DC related, although it's, and it's a DC book and it's connected to something that was part of the DC universe, but it's- Vertigo. Vertigo book, yeah. So Vertigo did this thing back, when Vertigo first started, it was kind of taking these little known concepts or trademarks and just putting new spins on them. So that's how we got Game and Sandman,
00:13:04
Speaker
Uh, and there were a bunch of other ones too. Kid eternity was one of them. Uh, and some of them were tied to continuity. Some were not like animal man and doom patrol from Grant Morrison. Um, and this was one of those ones, which it's funny because this came about much after all that other stuff started. This came out in the early 2000s when by the time Vertigo got into like the.
00:13:27
Speaker
maybe getting into the mid 90s they had drifted away from doing that, going back to old concepts and it was just purely original creator own concept so it was kind of, it was kind of surprising to see them take an old concept and dust it off and use it here.
00:13:43
Speaker
And that's The Losers. And it was written by Andy Diggle and drawn by Jock. And this- Who would go on to create some of the best DC works in my opinion. Like Andy Diggle wrote Green Arrow, year one, which Arrow the show adapted a lot from. And then Jock as an artist went on and created The Batman Who Laughed, the artwork of that.
00:14:08
Speaker
Oh, I didn't realize he was the creator on that. Oh, wow, okay. Essentially, yeah, like he created that concept of a character yet. Oh, cool, I didn't know that. Because of the drawing and stuff, concept art. So yeah, and then they came out with the movie of the, and so this comic's called The Losers, and they came out with, they released the movie in 2010, which has a really interesting cast of future comic book movie actors.
00:14:34
Speaker
Yeah, so I like came to the realization after this rewatch
Chris Evans' Comic Book Legacy
00:14:39
Speaker
of like, this is the movie is like that had to fail in order to bring so much it to cinematic history pop culture history because without this movie failing.
00:14:53
Speaker
Um, which, you know, of course it is, I, I, that's another reason why he chose it. Cause for me it's underrated. Um, but if this movie did not fail, then we wouldn't get, have gotten Chris Evans, captain America, which came out a year after this movie. Um, we wouldn't go probably not gotten Zoe Zaldana as, as Gamora, we wouldn't have gotten an incredible run of Negan before they kind of like, um,
00:15:18
Speaker
hampered him in the in the series but yeah in Walking Dead and just like there's just so much this is like the what what if movie I think of MCU I think it's definitely one of the movies like
00:15:33
Speaker
of that aren't directly connected or that have kind of like had their own like impression on the MCU without having a direct impression. Like you could say like, you know, X-Men with all of Kevin Feige's like involvement on that and that being his first movie kind of that spurring this. I think this movie with it spurred like randomly all these MCU actors to go on and do incredible work in the MCU.
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Yeah, and Idris Elba as well went on to be Heimdall and the MCU and then also now in the DC stuff as Bloodsport too. And yeah, it's funny because Chris Evans, I didn't realize until I had done another movie recently called Push.
00:16:21
Speaker
and I didn't realize until I'd done that movie just how many comic book movies he was in or comic book-esque movies he was involved in up until he finally hit it right with Captain America. He really wanted to be in some comic book movies.
00:16:38
Speaker
Yeah, but and also that's one of the things that like like rewatch. He's always been my one of my favorite parts of the movie, but rewatching now, I'm like, man, Chris Evans would have been a really good Deadpool as well. Like he's hit his committee. He's got not many people know that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Especially like, you know, like if you if you didn't see not another movie, which is kind of like a cult classic as well. Yes. Yeah. Underrated as well.
00:17:08
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because my first introduction to Chris Evans was through these more comedic roles like, you know, Johnny Storm, the Fantastic Four, like not another teen movie like this. So when he was cast to play Captain America, I wasn't sure if he could be serious enough to play that part. And he's really impressed me in the time since he got cast as Captain America, not only with the MCU stuff, but with other movies he's done as well.
00:17:35
Speaker
Snow piercer or did and just like showing how much of a range he is just what a talented actor he really is. Yeah, like recently, I, I know, I don't know if it's gotten a mixed bags of reviews but I really, really enjoyed the green man, like in him in it.
00:17:52
Speaker
Is like he's, that's the awesome thing about him. Um, in his posts, MCU, um, lifetime, I guess, or career because they, is that he's taking these roles that so go against the grain of like of Captain America. And so like the, him and the gray man is like the complete opposite of Captain America. And it's like just cocky and asshole.
00:18:16
Speaker
and just like you like see like hate him but he's like so entertaining. He he's one of those actors who he could have very easily gone into like a coasting mode like he could have done like a George Clooney type of thing or Ryan Reynolds to a certain extent or Tom Cruise where he just kind of plays the same you know
00:18:37
Speaker
affable character over and over again and he could have done that but and those guys also have are also really talented like they can do more stuff but they've chosen to go a different direction and that's fine that's the decision so it's really cool to see that he's he he really I get the impression just from what I've seen the interviews of him and like the roles he's chosen like he really likes to challenge himself as an actor like he really seems to he's he doesn't really he doesn't seem to care about fame as much as he does about you know about the actual craft of it and I think that's really admirable
00:19:07
Speaker
Yeah. Now, have you ever read the loser's comic book?
'The Losers' Comic vs. Film
00:19:13
Speaker
I've always meant to. And even after this, I'm like, I love Jacques artwork. It's so like unique and stuff like that. And I really, really did love the how they utilize that artwork.
00:19:27
Speaker
And like essentially like recreated like what I'm assuming are like really iconic panels of that series. And like, yeah, I used it essentially as they're like cut screens and integrating it in this movie. So yeah, I've been meaning to. And yeah, I don't know if you have- Oh yeah, yeah. I've written back. I was introduced to the, I read the comic before I actually watched the movie. So, and it's interesting. This is one of those really,
00:19:57
Speaker
kind of weird movies that it takes so much visual cues from the comics, but it changes almost everything else about it.
00:20:10
Speaker
It really leans heavily into the humorous aspects of this. And as much as I enjoy this movie, it is almost a bit of a detriment because I think they kind of overplay the humor a little bit if you're comparing it to the comic book. It's a fun movie, but I did find myself
00:20:29
Speaker
kind of missing the depth and the gray areas that they get into in the espionage world in the comics. So that kind of stuff was a little bit disappointing on rewatch, but it's still a fun movie regardless.
00:20:46
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sure like, like, that's why like at the end of this, I'm like, Oh, they really, like, they really like teed it up for, um, this to become a franchise because you have that thing. And I'm sure that, that, that, um, that would have all like been further, you know, um, explored in further movies in this movie was very much feels like an introduction, like laying the groundwork kind of thing. And, um,
00:21:14
Speaker
And then the one of the reasons why I believe that this movie didn't do as well when it first came out was that it came around out. I think like either it came out very, very closely to the 18 movie. Yes, a lot.
00:21:31
Speaker
This that summer, it was like the summer of like mercenary teen movies because you had this, you had the 18 and you also had the expendables, which I think came out that same summer, too. So this one was like weeks apart. That's the thing that like definitely deetered, I think. And then I know 18, 18 is a lot more of like a, you know, well known name and stuff like that. So I'm sure that that kind of like got more flocking of it.
00:21:58
Speaker
did, but even that didn't do very well because that was the other one. Cause it wasn't a good move. Really? You didn't like it. It's okay. But I, I prefer the, I prefer the losers compared to the team. Yeah. I'm not sure which one I would prefer, but I enjoyed them both. Um, but the expendables was really the, the one that kind of won that battle that summer when I become a franchise. Um,
00:22:21
Speaker
But one of the biggest disappointments in this was how they handled Max. Because Max in this movie, you know, he's just very much a... Very much an asshole, but very one-dimensional character. In the comics, Max is not one person. He's actually a pair of identical twins. And there's a lot more stuff that is...
00:22:47
Speaker
There's a lot more reason behind why they're doing what they're doing. It has a lot of commentary on like American foreign policy and all this kind of stuff. So I was really kind of disappointed that we don't get that kind of stuff here, but it's much more just generic super villain type of thing.
00:23:08
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. It's very much of the time, I would say. I mean, Max as a villain very much felt like that late 2000s, early 10s kind of villain in an action movie. Whereas I think that if they were to do this movie over and nowadays with the impression that MCU has done and like just like having some of the best villain outings of all time,
00:23:38
Speaker
I think Max would definitely like, and those nuances would be a lot more subtle and casual instead of like over the top, because he is like over, over the top in his own way, like without not flying flamboyancy, but he is over the top in his assholery. Yeah. Yeah. Well, also Aisha is the other one who had like probably the biggest changes to her character because
00:24:03
Speaker
It, Aisha in this movie, it's basically just Zoe Saldana. Yeah, it's called- It's called, Columbiana too. Right, exactly, yeah. And in the comics, she's a completely different character. She's border, she's like emotionless. She's borderline psychotic. And while they do do, while I do cut some part, part of me likes the way that Saldana was able to humanize her a little bit more. I also feel like maybe they went too far in the other direction at times.
00:24:33
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it definitely kind of like having her as like a mixture of like a, uh, it's more of like a bond kind of bond girl in a way, like a current bond girl, not old bond girl, but like a current fun girl of like, you know, like kind of like, um, a little femme fatale mixed in with like, um, she has her own secrets that she's keeping and things like that. Yeah, definitely.
00:24:57
Speaker
Yeah. And I think, I think the biggest weakness is just the loser was a decent run of conquest. It was like, I think it was 32 issues or something like that. Oh, really? Just kind of short. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't that long. It was, but it was like, uh, Diggle and Jock, they had planned it to be like about three years and that's about how long it lasted. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah. And, and from beginning to end, it was, it was very well done. And I think.
00:25:22
Speaker
But I think there's just, there's too much story in that book to really fit into one movie. And I think if you're gonna adapt something like the losers effectively, it should really be like an HBO series or something.
00:25:36
Speaker
Yeah, definitely in this day and age like if I really do hope that like especially like I do want to go back to read that series and I that's why I think like the best comp, not just comic book but also like TV series is due or when they have like a short.
00:25:54
Speaker
They're not, you know, they're not fluffing it up the material, you know, or trying to do filler kind of things. It is a very concise series, like beginning to end, you know, that's all you need and stuff like that. And so, yeah, so definitely, and which is more common in this day and age with limited series or even just like,
00:26:17
Speaker
a few seasons like, for example, one of my favorite comic book series of all time, the Umbrella Academy and their interpretation on Netflix. They just announced that that kind of bittersweetly for me. It's a fourth and final season.
00:26:35
Speaker
but for me I'm like yeah let's yeah it's it's like I would love more because I'm just such a fan of the Umbrella Academy um but it is definitely like you could already see like especially at the end of the third season like
00:26:50
Speaker
There is going to the end is coming. Yeah. And then, yeah, it's like done. It's really nice when you get creators like interpretation. That's all they needed. That's all they're they're saying. Like, you know, it's done like famously recently is David Damien Lindelof's Watchmen. Yes. And like, which is like an incredible series and you do want more.
00:27:16
Speaker
But David Little was like, no, I'm not I'm I've told my story and stuff like that. And so, yeah, it's like a it's that's something that definitely could could work for for the losers. And absolutely. Yeah. But yes, along that lines, too, you don't.
00:27:33
Speaker
There's, there is such a thing about overstaying you're welcome like, and I'll, I'll use the flashing. Yep, that's what I was about to say, going back to the air first. Yeah, I mean that was my for a time that was like the crown jewel of the arrow versus me like I ended up liking that more than arrow, and then
00:27:51
Speaker
after crisis, a little bit before crisis, it started kind of, you know, losing some gas in the tank, but then after crisis, it really kind of took a nosedive. And just like the last two seasons, I was struggling to finish watching them on Netflix. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, like I haven't watched them because yeah, they kind of like, especially with the loss of arrow, I think too, and that your connections, but
00:28:14
Speaker
Yeah, it sucks when things overstay the welcome and I think in our D&H now, that is something that shows can't get away with anymore. You know, like we're so fast times, you know.
00:28:29
Speaker
kind of thing that um you guys you that's why like i'm so and it's something that i've been like preaching like from the rooftops almost like for years of and because of the air of what's seen what what's happening the air reverse of and um and and essentially like these seasons need to be shorter they need to be concise like it's good you're you're hurting yourself with adding all these episodes and stuff like that and that's
00:28:58
Speaker
what is becoming the precedent now is shorter seasons, conciseness, you know, like the Disney Plus shows.
00:29:08
Speaker
That's exactly the example I was going to use. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's, there's the exceptions to the rules. Of course, like we are going to get, uh, what is it? How many episodes like 13, 12, 12 episodes of Daredevil, but for everybody like is like, no, that's okay. That's also keeping with, I mean, it also depends on the show because some shows like, cause going back to Superman and Lois, that's about like what 15 episodes. Yeah. It's short a season. Yeah.
00:29:34
Speaker
So yeah, it's a little bit, it's not like, you know, six to 10 episodes, but it's not 22. So they kind of find the right target for each of these shows. And Daredevil is a good example of, I mean, with the Netflix show, I think some of the middle episodes did feel a bit superfluous, but I think cutting, I think having about like 10 episodes is a good length for Daredevil.
00:30:00
Speaker
Cause especially if you're going to be doing these shows that are focused more on season long arcs and you're not going to have these kinds of, you know, standalone episodes, then you should really keep it as short as possible. You also don't want to run into a situation like with, I think of Arrested Development where it ends and then it comes back and like almost from the second it comes back, it's already overstated, it's welcome.
00:30:22
Speaker
Yeah. Well, another example, we're going to be going back to all of our examples again, but another one is scrubs for sure. Yeah. That's my true ending. I'm like the ending of, I think it's like season. Season eight. I think it was eight. Yeah.
00:30:38
Speaker
Is like that, uh, that ending like is the first like episode or television that made me ball my eyes out. Remember the moment I was in front of the computer torrenting it. Sorry. Um, I do pay for all my streaming now. Um, but like just bawling my eyes out and, and then, yeah, it came back.
00:30:57
Speaker
overstated, it's like, what's this kind of thing? Bill Lawrence actually wanted that to be a spit off. And then the studio forced him to just make it a continuation.
00:31:12
Speaker
And as a spinoff, it's actually not as bad as people remember. I think as a spinoff, it's fine. No, no, no. It's not that bad. But it being another season of scrubs. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So let's go back to The Losers. What were some things that you really enjoyed about this movie? I just enjoy, like Phil, so when I originally watched it, I just enjoyed, yeah, like the
00:31:35
Speaker
I'm really a sucker for like a heist movie or something along those lines. I love the original like, um, oceans, movies, and stuff. Um, and then, yeah, so this one's kind of like felt like that. I mean, and then like, you know, um, uh, you know, a team sworn, um, burned. I think this is the same time that Berno's came out and I love Berno's as well. Um,
00:32:00
Speaker
And so yeah, so it was definitely that kind of thing. It's because of what they went on to do. I loved this movie a little bit more because of just the ironic things that happened in this movie that they would never have known.
00:32:23
Speaker
would become ironic, ironic. Like later on, like the, the movie opens with a voiceover with Chris Evans, but then it's a voiceover over first looking at the star of a, of an American flag and then zooming out. And it's like, how this is like, perfect. This is perfect for Chris Evans to be doing a voiceover over American flag. And then, um,
00:32:49
Speaker
And yeah, like, and then and then also going it's like all the connections are with with the Jensen character with Chris Evans character because then he goes on and says like a government experiment type of thing. Yeah, he's a secret government experiment. And I'm like, perfect. So, so yeah, so
00:33:05
Speaker
you know, the world changing and all that kind of like, maybe I don't like this movie a lot. Um, and you know, I do recognize it has shortcomings and stuff like that. It is very much a cult movie. I just like, I felt like this is a perfect movie for this podcast, especially since you like talked about the spirit. I was like, Oh yeah, this fits right there in that. But, um,
00:33:29
Speaker
Yeah, just the camaraderie of these characters as well. From the beginning, this is a tight-knit group team. They are essentially brothers and stuff like that.
00:33:44
Speaker
And, and they always are like caring for each other. You know, they, they mess up sometimes with each other, specifically with, uh, you know, Jeffrey D Morgan, like always sleeping with the girl. Um, but overall, like they are family. And that's why, that's why when you yourself was character, um, betrays them, you just like feel it. Cause it's like, Oh my gosh, how could like one of, one of their own, like betray them and stuff. So yeah.
Villain Comparisons: 'The Losers' and Others
00:34:13
Speaker
In fact, that's one of the things I did like about one of the changes I did like is because in the comic, basically from the first page, it's pretty obvious that Roke's gonna betray the team. And this one, it, and I think a big part of it just has to do with Elba's performance is just, it,
00:34:32
Speaker
it feels more like a betrayal, almost to the point where the betrayal almost feels a little tacked on. It feels almost a little too out of character with how well they established his relationship with Clay and with the rest of the group. So when he betrays them, I almost feel like, again, this is a kind of a situation like with Aisha, where I think they went a little bit too far in the opposite direction, where I think they felt that Roke had to betray the team because that's what happened in the comics.
00:35:00
Speaker
I think there was enough, for me at least, I feel like there was enough groundwork there. I mean, I think it just takes just one, like he mentions like, I've been by your side for so long and stuff like that. I warned you essentially that bad things would happen and we should have just gone back to our lives and stuff like that. And like, he doesn't listen.
00:35:25
Speaker
Um, I think it's just like you, you see some, it's like I done in a little bit more subtle way. I know that like, I'm sure like in the comics, especially with it being, um, just 32C issues, like you have to be there like at the top, but I think when things get interpreted into live action, like you could express that a little bit more subtly. I think that's one of the issues I had with his betrayal is just, it's another example of that.
00:35:52
Speaker
this movie trying to put too much story into this one installment. I think the betrayal would have worked a lot better if it had been saved for a sequel. But it seems, it's a weird thing because it feels like they thought they had the potential to keep this going as a franchise. But they were nervous that they wouldn't have that chance. So it's like this weird mix of confidence and a lack of confidence.
00:36:21
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. It's the, it's like the, you know, natural instinct of a nerd themselves. Right. But I understand, and I think they did, I think, but they think they did too good a job of establishing he has these connections with the other characters because by the time he betrays, I mean, yeah, they did have that whole thing with him saying, getting frustrated with Clay, and I understood all of that,
00:36:47
Speaker
But his relationships with like Pooch were so strong that I felt that, you know, when he betrays them to Max, he knows he's basically giving them a death sentence. So I felt like they had done too good a job of establishing his personal connections to make that believable enough for me.
00:37:03
Speaker
Yeah, I could see that. And I think it's a way that it would have paid off a little bit better if he had a little bit more sorrowfulness in the scenes after the betrayal, instead of like, you know, I'm getting my money or stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. I could definitely see that. Which is why the betrayal made a lot of sense in the comics, because he was basically only interested in the money the whole time. So it totally made sense why he would even betray the team. Yeah, yeah.
00:37:33
Speaker
Yeah, and I think that's like.
00:37:35
Speaker
how it somewhat had remembered it before. I think I remember just like filling in the blanks. Like I think before yesterday when I rewatched it, I hadn't watched the movie in like maybe five years or seven years. And so, yeah. So I think like I kind of like filled into my mind like, oh, yeah, he's get he's like some somewhat sorrowful like afterwards because it's like a big big betrayal. But but yeah, I could see where and stuff.
00:38:04
Speaker
Yeah, not sorrowful enough is my biggest thing about that. One of the things, even though I had issues with Jason Patrick's performance, I did, for the most part, think he was entertaining on screen. He was very flat as a character, but at least he's entertaining while he's being flat.
00:38:22
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like there was a lot of, I have to go back to the DVD, but I feel like there was a lot of deleted scenes with him because there's like things that, I'm sure that the hand has to tie into something like that was going to be reintroduced in the sequel and stuff like that. But I feel like, yeah, like that could have been added. We could have, I think they were like you going back to how you were saying like, they,
00:38:48
Speaker
kind of like through, like it was like a one foot in, one foot out kind of, or two feet in, one foot out kind of situation where they might've been trying to keep them as like this shady figure, but then also be direct as well. Going back to like the aid team and Patrick Wilson as like essentially the same kind of character in this,
00:39:18
Speaker
Like I feel like maybe that one had a little bit more. Yeah. Like he, you, you know, the character that you're getting like right at the beginning of like, when he's introduced, he's an asshole and stuff like that. But he's like, I think that paid off a little bit more because like he's face, he's a friend center in the eyes of, of the, the team. Um, from like the first scene of that movie. Whereas this, like they get introduced and to,
00:39:48
Speaker
him like fairly later in the movie, whereas like, I think
00:39:52
Speaker
if they kept it, him more shaded and like as the shadow man, essentially he might've had a little bit more of like a nuance to him that you didn't even need that much information on him. But by, you know, making a face essentially having a face to the, to the voice, like for the audience, I guess like you want more. He, he, he should have more context and because of that. So yeah.
00:40:18
Speaker
I think one of the best things about Jason Patrick is the scenes he has with Colt McCollany, who plays Wade. Yeah. Like that. Like and I just I love how Wade is not this typical henchman, right? He they have it's almost like they have this weird twisted kind of friendship almost. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's why you got they have some really good lines in this movie.
00:40:42
Speaker
Like, I feel like overall like it's like a kind of like strong, strong script of a movie, because of these like nuanced scenes like yeah of the whole him, him writing in a petty cab, talking to Max and like,
00:40:59
Speaker
Oh, did you like, you're gonna either have to kill him or you're gonna have to, you know, just fire them. And he's like, I can't, I can't kill him. Like one of them is my, well, I'm related to one of them. And he's like, well, you told them. And he's like, I said, I will kill them. That kind of thing. It's just so that, that just kills me. Then the delivery for that, those scenes are pretty good, except for the whole, like,
00:41:25
Speaker
It's him saying it three times. I'm like, you should have just tapped it. Yeah, that was that was when I'm like, OK, now you're pushing it. Yeah, I did that. Yeah, that exchange that like three times thing that got on my nerves. But other than that scene, I think overall, I love like I love their introduction. Like when he says when he gives him the nod and then Wade throws the guy off the roof and he's like, why did you do that?
00:41:47
Speaker
Yes, I love that scene. Yeah, it's just you can be the nod. It's such like it's because that's why that's one of the my favorite versions of like those kind of villains is like the it's just a casual. They're just casually. They're just casually a villain. You know, they're just that's who they are. Like they that's their everyday life and which is like, yeah, like some like villains.
00:42:15
Speaker
Like in real life, like, yeah. Yeah. I mean, their everyday life. As one-dimensional as Max is as a character, those moments with Wade give him at least some kind of a humanizing quality. Because it's like, oh, well, you know, there are two guys who work together. And that really comes through. Like, I get the sense from their relationship and their interactions that
00:42:35
Speaker
they've been working these ops for a long time. Just like I get the sense with the losers that, like with that scene in the cemetery where they're talking about Clay's exes, where they, it really gives you a sense that these characters have an existing relationship. Because sometimes some of these movies you watch it and it's like, okay, I know the movie tells us that they've got this existing relationship, but I don't really believe it. This one is not that case. Like I really believe that these characters have been working together for a long time on both sides.
00:43:03
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. And in that aspect, as much as I think they did go a little bit too far with taking Aisha's character away from what she was in the comic books, I did also think it made, I understand the logic behind it. Well, I mean, first off, you've got Zoe Saldana and this kind of character better suits her personality, her acting style. But more than that, I felt that it, her having that more,
00:43:33
Speaker
that more friendly side really helped engender her with the rest of the group. I think it would have been a lot harder with the way these characters play off each other for her to have been the hardcore assassin she was in the comics and still have that same kind of relationship that she establishes with the other characters.
00:43:51
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, this movie, like going back, definitely felt like, I don't know if it contributed to, but definitely felt an audition for Gamora as a character, especially with like her, how she joins the group, very much how her character and guardians joined the group with this whole kind of like mishmash and like, we just need to get this job done and stuff like that. Then they form this group.
00:44:19
Speaker
And yeah, it definitely adds a lot more personality to the story. Her and Clay's fight, you get a kick out of that with them stretching. They know they're going to fight. It's a very fun way to
00:44:40
Speaker
and show the interaction between these like two people and they're they're initially like yeah I don't trust you I know this like it also like tells it like their their experience as well in in a subtle way of like yeah we we play we've played this game our whole lives like we know that you don't trust me I don't trust you we're gonna fight
00:45:04
Speaker
Yeah, and I also want to give, you know, special nod to Oscar Hainada. I'm probably mispronouncing his name. Hainada. Yeah, the man that has the best line in Pirates on Stranger Tides.
00:45:20
Speaker
Oh, really? He was in that. I didn't realize that. Yeah, he's the Spaniard that's like trying to destroy the fountain. I mean, the fountain of youth. And he comes in because and he's like, you know, this land is unholy, like, you know, and stuff like that.
00:45:35
Speaker
And then a British guy comes up, he's like, we claim this land for the British. And he just grabs a pistol, shoots him dead. And he's like, make a note that that man died breaking for his country. And it's just a hardcore moment in that movie. And yeah, that's him. He's got one of the best lines in this movie, too, when Hooch tells them, if we do this, we'll be going to war with the CIA. And Cougar just says, well, they started it.
00:46:03
Speaker
Yeah, that was, and he, I think more than anyone, he perfectly embodies the character from the comics, just like Cougar's got that kind of cool stoicism all throughout the comics, and they really do a good job of, he really does a good job of embodying that here. More than anyone else, he really looks the part, I think, too. Like all the care, they did a really good job. They definitely had an eye for appearance when they were casting all these characters, but I think,
00:46:31
Speaker
Hainata more than any others. He totally fits that he completely perfectly embodies that character from the comics. And I like the way that they were able to establish this relationship between him and Jensen, even though they don't really talk a lot. But we get a sense that they've got this camaraderie right from the start because of that.
00:46:54
Speaker
Yeah, I think you get a camaraderie feeling of like what I'd say like the the back half of the team which is like pooch Jensen and and cougar of yeah like I mean just there they they that's why like they feel very much like I guess like where all of them feel like brothers they're like maybe the triplets.
00:47:16
Speaker
and stuff because like the whole interaction with like him getting um with pooch getting his leg shot and they're like can you stand can you stand he's like i've been hit into both of my legs and he's like what well that doesn't answer my question and so it's like it's very much like a brotherly kind of thing and and yeah you get that off just straight from the back
Humor and Career Impact in 'The Losers'
00:47:39
Speaker
Um, love that, that whole interaction with, with, um, Jensen Cougar with the, with, you know, him knowing that he has his back and stuff and like shooting the guys and stuff and just like, thank you kind of thing. Yeah. That is one of the best moments, uh, in the movie too. Um, and, you know, I think.
00:48:01
Speaker
I think maybe Chris Evans probably walks away with, as my favorite character in this movie. The whole petunias thing is like so incredible, like of adding that in. He's like, yes, it's my niece's soccer team. Like they're, you know, they're five and two, like they're going to the, and then the reveal of the merry golds. And then him like, yeah, I love it. My only issue with the petunias things, I think they pushed it too far when they had the soccer game at the end.
00:48:29
Speaker
I thought it was perfect I thought it was just like kind of because like it's a showing of like you know they kind of like have gotten their lives back in some sort of way and stuff like that they might still like be underground but it's very much like they could kind of get away with these kind of like
00:48:46
Speaker
outings and stuff and so and yeah the whole and it's kind of like a little further showing of of um the the team to in the camaraderie kind of like growing with like um who did you bet like who who'd you bet on a kid's soccer game he's like he's she's like i did and he's like why he gave me points so like that it's just yeah
00:49:09
Speaker
That was a fun line. I, you know, I'm, I'm torn on that. I feel like that the soccer team scene, it kind of undercuts the, the conclusion of the movie for me, but at the same time, it is, it is, you get, you got a point there. It is a fun scene at the same time. But yeah, I mean, Evan's just so good. Like I love like all the interactions he has with everybody.
00:49:32
Speaker
the, his little one liners throughout this. And in the warehouse, like he's like, nice. And that's what, that was like the moment. So I was like, he would have been a good Deadpool as well. Yeah. Yeah. He could have done that. Yeah. Um, any other things you really wanted to mention about this movie? Um, I'm just like, I just, it's just like the whole nuance of like how
00:49:59
Speaker
Like I said, the top of this episode, like how much this move, how important it was that this in the history of, of comic book movies, that this movie had to feel like, you know, kind of thing, just looking back on it. And, um, and like while it
00:50:15
Speaker
might not have deserved fail, in my opinion, but it's kind of like, it's a bittersweet, yeah, it's a bittersweet thing. Yeah, it would have been, if this had been successful, it does make you wonder what would have happened to how the careers of some of these actors might have gone in a different direction. You might have had, you know,
00:50:37
Speaker
Jeffrey Dean Morgan may have had, you know, more movie roles as a result of if it had been more successful. Whereas, you know, Evans installed on a may not have gone on to do the MCU. Or at least maybe not have had as big a commitment to the MCU as they ended up having a dress album as well. Yeah. Yeah. And then maybe like,
00:50:57
Speaker
And then, yeah, also like going back to like this movie very much feels like the Suicide Squad as well in that instance. And so like, yeah, it's like kind of like, it's cool to see that, yeah, Aja Salva got to like kind of interacting this kind of like situation a little bit later on as well. Yeah, yeah. Oh, well, I mean, the Suicide Squad comparison is very apt because there is a lot more depth in the comics. I'll just say, I'll just leave it at that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:51:26
Speaker
Um, but, and I think one of the things that really kind of as, as much fun as I like, as this movie is, I think one of the things that was disappointing is the.
00:51:38
Speaker
the lack of teeth when it comes to criticizing American foreign policy, because that was one of the things that I thought was done so brilliantly and pretty bravely for that time period, because this came out in the early 2000s in the comics, you know, right smack dab in the middle of the war on terror and all that kind of shit. And so for that comic at that time to have been so brazen in its criticism of American foreign policy, I think it was a pretty ballsy move. And I was a little disappointed that this,
00:52:08
Speaker
comic that this movie just kind of, it more or less paints Max as kind of like an outlier. He's not speaking for the government so much. He's working, he's using the government but he's doing it for his own purposes.
00:52:21
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. I feel very much like it's easier to get away with in a comic, which is not really on the radar of foreign policy people than an actual movie is, unfortunately. But then again, I think that in this day and age now, it is a movie that, like I said earlier, if it has a series or another movie,
00:52:52
Speaker
would I think be allowed to carry more clout. Oh, absolutely. And it's in its delivery as well. Yeah. So definitely like I like the way you're pitching it and like how I'm hoping to go check out the comic. I'm sure it's going to be like, yeah, this could be made into a series like easily in the same age and be accepted. You know, I mean, with the things like the boys, I mean, like just that alone is like such a like
00:53:19
Speaker
has become so somewhat un brazen and it's like delivery of like, you know, corporations and all that kind of thing. So like, yeah, absolutely. It would definitely be a welcome thing. Yeah, something like succession as well. Another one that, you know, that just goes full teeth bear type of situation. And I think if you did, if you got some people like that who were confident enough in,
00:53:47
Speaker
to take the criticism that would inevitably come to do a series like The Losers, I think would be amazing if they were able to do that on something like HBO or Netflix or Amazon or something like that.
00:54:00
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Hoping. I don't know. Because I'm just so worried about the Warner stuff. Like, I'm like, ah, it's a Warner Brothers couple. Yeah. Still. I mean, I keep saying HBO because that's where they've done so much of this stuff. But at the same time, I don't know what's going to happen now. Yeah. Well, that too. It could be Netflix though, because Sandman.
00:54:20
Speaker
Right. Right. Sandman's DC too. Yeah. Fingers crossed. Sandman, I'm not sure what the right situation is with the losers. I know Sandman's got a unique position because Gaiman owns a big portion of the rights. So it's a little bit of a, because he had used some. It's, yeah, Gaiman's kind of like.
00:54:37
Speaker
They got, yeah. And plus he's, you know, he's such a big name that he's got a lot of pull. I'm not sure what the right situation is with this. Cause it is bait. It's mostly, mostly they just took the concept and the name from the original DC comic and then everything else is new. So I'm not quite sure what the right situation is with, with Dingle and Jock and DC on this.
00:54:57
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I would think that I'd be a little bit more tied up in DC just because like what Diggle and Jock went on to do for DC and they're so tied into DC Comics and stuff like that. So we'll see. We'll have to see. I mean, like it is.
00:55:15
Speaker
a never changing on the daily when it comes to DC. I mean, when it comes to Warner Brothers nowadays, like I'm just like anything could happen. Yeah. That's why I'm worried about. But also like maybe maybe it will be for the better. So yeah.
00:55:32
Speaker
Although interesting too with the DC, with the Suicide Squad comparisons is that after Diggle did the, did the losers, he ended up doing Thunderbolts for Marvel at a time when it was much more, had much more of a Suicide Squad, Black Ops type focus to it.
The Legacy and Fun of 'The Losers'
00:55:48
Speaker
Yeah, which will probably be seen. Which will probably, yeah, which is probably what they're gonna do with the MCU because I think it'd be too difficult for them to do the reform villains aspect of it. Cause there just aren't enough villains that are still running around.
00:56:01
Speaker
It would be like a reform villain. I mean, we get like, the lineup has kind of like sounded like, well, like Bill and not even villainess. It's just going to be a team that was like, yeah. I think it's not going to be like full villain. There'll be some villains will be a modgepodge, but yeah. Yeah. Right. I feel like it's going to be very similar to the Suicide Squad. Yeah. Yeah.
00:56:28
Speaker
Uh, okay. So, you know, I think final thoughts about this, it is, it's a decent enough movie. It's, it's fun. It is a lot of fun. I will add. If, if you think too much about it, you can find holes in it to poke into it, but if you, and that's, and I'm kind of doing that, I know I'm guilty of doing that here because I am thinking about it with a bit more of an analytical eye for this show and everything. But for the most part, when I watch this movie and I've watched it several times, like when I watch this movie, I just, I put it on and I turn off my brain for an hour and a half. Yeah.
00:56:59
Speaker
Yeah, which is what it, it's what's when is the best way to enjoy any movie. Well yeah I mean this is a pure pop summer popcorn. It's exactly what it's made for. Yeah.
00:57:13
Speaker
And, you know, it's got great action. It's got, you know, the performances are fun and great music too. I think we didn't mention that. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. I like was thinking out like during, during my watch. I'm like, this has like a really good soundtrack. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, really good selection and music. That's kind of.
00:57:37
Speaker
It's timeless, it fits, it's like, it's not timeless music necessarily, but it gives it almost a timeless quality to this. It's music that can be enjoyed years later, I think. Like we're not gonna be, because I think, for example, you watch some of the other, I'm thinking of some of the other Marvel movies that came out in the early 2000s when they had like all the, like Daredevil and The Punisher, when they had like all the new metal band type of things that seem really dated when you watch those movies now.
00:58:03
Speaker
Go ahead, go ahead. I'm an alt-rock. I'm eclectic in my music, but I come from that era of alt-rock, emo, punk. So I'm like, I still listen to it. I mean, I'm not knocking the music, but I feel like it's very, if those movies were made in a different time, they would not have used that same music. True, true. I mean, like, yeah, like, evidence, it's like, while it is still a binger, it's definitely like,
00:58:31
Speaker
This was a choice, especially with punching or stabbing sandbags. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas this, you know, they had a really good selection of different songs. Like they use Journey to great effect in this movie. Mm hmm. Like I think that that whole scene in the building when he's he's jamming out to Journey and then it's playing as he's running out. I thought that was, you know, so perfectly executed. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah. It's just timeless timeless 80s music.
00:59:00
Speaker
Okay, Ariel, anything else you wanna say about this?
00:59:04
Speaker
No, just like, I mean, if you haven't watched it, go and watch it. It's such a, like I said, and you said, like, it's such a fun movie to watch. Kind of like Baskin, the young versions of these actors that are now, you know, in MCU and all other different types of properties and kind of like, yeah, you get a little nostalgia from that as well. But yeah.
00:59:33
Speaker
I also say that if you have read the comic and if you're a fan of the comic,
00:59:37
Speaker
separate them in your mind, right? A good comparison, there are two things I would compare this to. One is the Lucifer TV show, the other is the Constantine movie with Keanu Reeves. Both of them are entertaining, good, and fun in their own way, but they're not really good adaptations of the comic. Oh, in that sense, yes, yes, yeah, for sure. Think about this in that vein. It's a fun movie, but you have to separate it from the comic book.
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where we talk about comic books and graphic novels and all that. And you also get these episodes a week in advance and that's for as little as a dollar a month. Thanks so much for listening and we'll talk to you next time.
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Thank you for listening. And as always, good night. Good evening. God bless.