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TSP Ep 113: The Future of Cinema or All That has Even Been, Will be Again!
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In this episode, Tom and Steve get a little light in the head as they discuss the strikes, blockbusters, and the trajectory of future films!
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Transcript
Steven's Typing Mishap
00:00:00
Speaker
All right. Welcome everyone to the adventure show. Watch Steven print on this episode of watch Steven print. We shall be watching Steven climb over cables tangled in a mess, massive mess. He sits arched over knees exposed printer.
00:00:28
Speaker
Actually, not a printer. A laptop. Adorns his lap. So aptly named, this device, that it sits in his lap. He types with one finger at a time. Like caveman type... T.S.P. He can read, ladies and gentlemen. For me, this has brought fire.
00:00:58
Speaker
What will caveman do with fire? Oh no caveman don't do that. Caveman type B-O-O-B. No caveman. That's a virus caveman. Delete system dot S-Y-S folder.
00:01:26
Speaker
Yes or yes. Caveman has discovered US postal delivery service. Tom Hinks.
Printing Victory
00:01:38
Speaker
Meg Ryan. You've got mail. Thank you, everybody. I'll be here all week. I'll be here all week. Steven will be joining us very shortly. Do you think you can't say that anymore?
00:01:54
Speaker
We'll be with you there very shortly. Actually, nothing really works anymore. That's kind of the problem, right? Everything can be offensive. No, there's no stretch too far. No line too short. Oh, wait, I said it again. God damn it. He's printing. He's done it, ladies and gentlemen. He's the Vesuvius man.
00:02:24
Speaker
I have reached the mountaintop. No paper gate, man. Oh, no, there's a lot of pages that he's printing. This might this is gonna be one of those episodes. Well, everyone strap in. Well, we'll keep the ship as right as we possibly can. I mean, you Stephen, you made over
00:02:56
Speaker
He sits looking up to the large dark monolith. Caveman has become man-man. Man-man has become space man. Space man has become giant baby man. That was my review of 2001 A Space Odyssey.
00:03:19
Speaker
I think that pretty much described the whole thing, honestly. Yeah. So welcome,
Whiskey Tasting: Willett Straight Rye
00:03:24
Speaker
everyone, the Twin Shadows podcast, the podcast about film filmmaking and filmmakers. And you're joined, as always, by your two brilliant, cordial, gallant show hosts, Tom and Steve. Hey, Steve, buddy. How's it going? Oh, buddy, I'm definitely feeling a little light in the head, as they say.
00:03:44
Speaker
As they say, and also to add to the lack of weightedness among our minds, we're drinking some fine whiskey today. Definitely. This is Will It? Straight Rye Whiskey, rare release. This is bottle, I don't know, but it's 52% alcohol 104 proof.
00:04:13
Speaker
And what do you think of this little small batch rye, buddy? This Willett? Oh, buddy, I think that's the best whiskey I've ever had. As I take a sip on mine, cheers. Cheers. It is very tasty. Very, very tasty. A little spicy burn, though. But it's a very pleasant. A lot more spicy when it's not on the rocks, huh?
00:04:41
Speaker
That's right. So, I mean, we haven't met in a while. Yeah.
SAG and WGA Strike Overview
00:04:48
Speaker
It's been a couple of weeks. I'm busy. The world's life has gotten a little crazy. Things, you know, are afoot, as they say. And as they also say, all that has ever been will be again, which is what I titled the episode when I forgot to read in my beautiful intro.
00:05:08
Speaker
But buddy, I wanted to talk about, we haven't met and talked about that SAG had joined in the WGA striking. Did you want to talk about that at all? I know you have been having that. Yeah, I wanted to talk about it, but I haven't really been keeping up with it. So you said you started reading a lot about it, right? Yeah. So I think the big things are,
00:05:35
Speaker
They haven't really met too much yet. There's still the consensus. They're trying to starve them out. The studios are trying to starve them out. The SAG? SAG and the WGA.
00:05:53
Speaker
And Bob Iger made some huge statement like, you know, like you guys got paid good money, like shut the fuck up. Like you pretty much said, and then it was an asshole. And so, yeah, it's been bad, you know, the studios are trying to just starve out these artists and, you know, artists are a very sensitive bunch. Yes.
00:06:18
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. Read your notes, buddy. Go to the page. So buddy,
Streaming Services vs. Cable TV
00:06:31
Speaker
what about streaming services collapsing? Oh no. Did you hear about it? Peacock's going to lose like $7 trillion.
00:06:40
Speaker
Oh, I think it's kind of an unfortunate timing for the streaming services to kind of start dying as the WGA wants more money for streaming. Yeah, right. But at the same time, I was thinking, there's just too many damn services now, right? It's so... Like you said, it was going to be like cable. Yeah, but it's worse. Yeah, it is. It's like cable worse. I mean, the thing is, there's never been more content available to you.
00:07:10
Speaker
But it's just like you have so, it's so overwhelming having like 17 streaming platforms to switch between.
00:07:18
Speaker
The format is worse, at least on cable. You don't even have to think. What's this? Click, click. Oh, I like this. I like this. Yeah. Also, what was on was on. Exactly. You had no choice what you were going to end up liking. I mean, this is just definitely old man yelling at clouds, but I fucking hate it. I don't necessarily completely like having free will. I like to be a little controlled. I don't like a full autonomy.
00:07:48
Speaker
Like when someone was good at scheduling like a lineup of movies or something like that, a good program, like that was I think a beauty. And then commercials, they were bad, but it was also like an incentive to kind of get something done. Like that commercial, next commercial break, I'm taking shit.
Year in Film: 2023 - Success or Disappointment?
00:08:11
Speaker
You start hearing the show, come on, you start wiping real fast. You're like, he had now I could go.
00:08:17
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, shit. And then every now and then there'd be like really attractive ladies on the commercials and you're like, oh, I like this one. It's like, it's, oh, it's that hour. Carl's junior. Oh, no, it's asleep. Oh. A burger, a Coke, and a whatever the fuck. Fries. Don't bother me. Okay.
00:08:37
Speaker
I'm eating. Yeah. Remember that shit? Yeah. How about that? So streaming. Yes. It sucks or what? That's why it's failing. Yeah. No. Yeah. The model sucks, right? The model is terrible. And so and also a lot of the platforms aren't even that different. Like I've noticed that like Netflix will have some of the same shows that Hulu has. And I'm like,
00:09:03
Speaker
Now which one which one was I watching it on if I haven't watched the show in a while and then just like keeping track of everything and it's so overwhelming. I miss the days. I miss the analog a bit. Yeah. The hipster in me is like screaming for the analog. Go to video store and blah, blah, blah. I don't know. I think what do you think, dude? Are you a fan of having all these streaming platforms? Do you really just do you stick to like one or two and it doesn't really bother you? Yeah, I mean,
00:09:34
Speaker
I don't know, dude, it's kind of cool. You know, it's kind of nice to just so easily get exposed to so much. Yeah. You know, because I mean, in the video rental days, there's a lot of shit that just wasn't there and just kind of being able to see these movies that like tell it to sunrise. Sunrise, it's a song of two humans. A song of two humans? That's what that shit's called? I think so, yeah. Oh.
00:10:03
Speaker
Yeah, that's great. A movie is really good. But would you see that in a video store? No, the one I went to. Mine had just 900 copies of Terminator. Oh, what is that? Are you sworking? Hello? What happened? I don't know. Did I pull too hard on my headphones? I'm hearing that too. Is it getting recorded?
00:10:31
Speaker
No, I think it was just my plug like here sure gonna blow out Okay, let's look at the next news topic, okay
00:11:00
Speaker
Look, we just ASMR'd our audience. Oh, yeah. This is what I'm actually excited to talk about. Yeah. What new films have we seen? And is 2023 shaping up to be another hot garbage year for film? Why strike when everything that makes sucks? Ooh, why strike when everything that makes sucks? So, you know.
00:11:26
Speaker
I think this is going to touch upon like much later in the conversation. Oh, fuck. Just look at it. This is from the 70s, man. Like just look at me. You look cool. That's why you're like vibing out. Super high. He like sank into his chair so deep. Come back to me, Steven. Yeah. So, uh, I guess, you know,
00:11:57
Speaker
I don't know. I don't know what I'm saying. Oh, you know, I don't know if this year has been that bad of a year overall with the movies that have come out. Like, I'm not saying I necessarily liked a lot of the movies a lot, but I appreciate them. Like, was it possible? I didn't see it. You know, it wasn't as good as I think some of the others, but I still appreciate Tom Cruise and what he's trying to do, you know?
00:12:25
Speaker
And I think this year has been stronger overall, because I think there's
Cinema Highlights: Barbie and Oppenheimer
00:12:29
Speaker
been some solid movies that have already come out. But it's also interesting how the box office is reflecting a lot of this, right? And yeah, you know, like just the way the franchise films have been doing, because, you know, I would have thought a lot of people would have seen The Flash, Mission Impossible, Fast and the Furious.
00:12:50
Speaker
I saw all those on VOD because to me, I'm completely fine waiting to see those. There's no excitement to get me into the theater to see that when I know I only have to wait two more months and I'll see it. And then if I get around to watching it, because I've seen all of those movies and I saw them all on VOD. And then there's Barbie Heimer, which everyone wanted to go to the theater for.
00:13:15
Speaker
been good. That was cool. I was a big fan of that. And I think that says a lot right now too. Yeah, and I've seen both movies. And I have to say that whatever you can say whatever you want about them, but they were both good movies to go see in the theater. Yeah, definitely. And they were actually just good films. I think I wanted to bring this up a bit because we were talking a little bit off air about how franchise films
00:13:41
Speaker
We don't care if they're good. If they're good, that's great. That means we're watching a good movie. I don't care if Star Wars Episode IX is like a... If we were making a 9 out of 10, it's still a 9 out of 10 Star Wars movie. I want to see that.
00:13:58
Speaker
Yeah. But I don't want to see is what they made. Yes. Rise of Skywalker. I don't want to see that. And I think that people are speaking with their, their wallets, which is what, you know, hits home. People don't want to see like the super over CGI fast and furious 10 movie. Yeah. And I will admit I saw it in theaters and I enjoyed it.
00:14:23
Speaker
I was like, get him for family, Toretto. Show him. And then John Cena's epic scene. He's like, dah, family. What? And then they're all fine. Hell yeah, dude. But yeah, that's so crazy. And I just remember thinking that this is what a Fast and Furious had to make a parody of Fast and Furious. That's what the new Fast and Furious are.
00:14:56
Speaker
They're more faster, more furious. They lean in hard to the memes. It's so kind of really meta, but it's so ugly looking. That's my big problem with it. The CGI somehow has gotten worse, or they're just way more of it and it looks cheap. Because I was like, they actually used to drive cars in these movies.
00:15:25
Speaker
Yeah, they actually used to. Isn't that what these movies were about? Actually, like them driving like these cool bitchin cars. Now it's like these invisible super car, like CGI cars.
00:15:38
Speaker
like government operations literally to save the world, like really. The first episode, like, I just like to race, man. Yeah. Yeah. I've shown the legal parts because I want to pay for my mom's cancer surgery. He's like, that's illegal, man. I got to put you away. I would undercover cop for illegal parts. Yeah, man. And you know what? He's like, come on, man. But your sister's pretty high.
00:16:04
Speaker
He's like, yeah, she is a family. And that was great. That whiskey. Damn. Well, I think that was a good little bit. Yeah, cool. Oh, how about this one, man? Old Boy Turns 20. That's a great movie. They were releasing it in theaters.
00:16:30
Speaker
Yeah, so, you know, I just want to talk about that a little bit. That'd be awesome to see. Yeah, but a lot of people attribute that to the start of like the Korean explosion in film. Yeah. So it kind of is like, damn, it's been 20 years for the Koreans just kicking ass in the cinema. That one broke through, and it's fucking crazy. Yeah. Got a vampire over there, everybody. Got a damn vampire.
00:17:00
Speaker
Damn, I think about that movie and it's like, the creators make some of the most- Were the awesome pluses alive when he ate them? I don't know, maybe. Because he did it like eight times or something. Yeah, he probably- Wasn't he like vegetarian or something? Not in that movie. Damn, not- Yeah, that's true. He ate a lot of things. He should have had- No, what a bad boy. He ate his daughter's pussy. Well, there you go.
00:17:24
Speaker
Yeah, holy shit, that's gross. Thanks for sponsoring us. Oh my, 20 years. It's great though, that movie's good. Oh, let's just jump into the next topic. Oh, for sure, oof. Oh, okay, so this is for our 26 listeners.
00:17:44
Speaker
Yeah, you gotta explain this a little more, Chris, the way you wrote it. All 26 listeners out there, you know, listen to this episode and then, you know... You have 26 listeners? Yeah. I'm challenging all 26 of you. Yeah, that's pretty good, man. I'm challenging all 26 of you, you know? Just way too many. Six too many. Sorry.
00:18:10
Speaker
I want to challenge you all, send in your thoughts. We're going to be watching Psycho, doing a cool Psycho episode for Criterion. And so if you guys have any thoughts or any questions about the movie or our relationship with the movie, send those in to us on our socials, you know, just search Twin Shadows podcast and you can find us.
00:18:30
Speaker
or where you listen, there's probably a comment section, comment below. And maybe we can do like a cool psycho giveaway for a listener. We could tour you. I'll tour you on the house of psycho. That just means you spend the night with me, you know. That went out for free. All 26 listeners.
00:19:01
Speaker
Okay, so that's what I, that's next topic. Next topic. Next topic. Yeah, what is the next topic? Oh yeah, YouTube. Oh, YouTube.
00:19:13
Speaker
Did you want to talk about that one? I kind of skipped it, it was long. It looked real long, that's fine. How about we talk old voice, sad in your thoughts. Oh yeah, dickhead. Dickhead, dude. Talking about dickhead,
Making 'Dickhead': Behind the Scenes
00:19:28
Speaker
we shot the, like, hopefully the final shots that we would ever will need for the film. Yeah. And so how does that kind of feel? I mean, the day was crazy. Do you want to talk about that at all at all?
00:19:40
Speaker
Well, you know, two months we'll be like, you know, if we just had a hand coming down, let's just shoot it real quick. But it was great. It was a lot of fun, man. It's still fun to work on it.
00:19:52
Speaker
You know, and it was fun working with Grace that day. And she went through quite a harrowing day and still showed up to actually be in the movie, which is really cool of her. Right? So you know the Odyssey she went through to be on Dickhead. Yeah, so we needed Grace to come back to kind of help us finish up the opening scene. We literally just got three shots that will just make everything so much better. We hope you guys will enjoy it.
00:20:22
Speaker
And so, you know, we were like, Grace, we need you to come up and get these shots. And then she's like, yeah, okay, let's do it. And, you know, she gets food poisoning the night before. Oh yeah, she got food poisoning, fuck.
00:20:35
Speaker
And then so she wasn't really eating any solid foods or anything. And then she would drove up from camping, damn straight to come to set. And then her car breaks down like 45 miles outside in the middle of the desert of nowhere. And then so I go out there and I pick her up and there's like these crazy guys, like these biker guys like talking with her. And I'm like, damn, I'm gonna have to fight these.
00:21:00
Speaker
Biker guys. They look pretty tough. Fucking biker? Oh, shit. Like the Medhead biker kings of, uh, of, uh, Atalanto and Fieland. Wow. Yeah, you know. And so they were pretty cool guys, actually. The one guy actually, the guy actually fixed her car and everything for, and get this, a Pepsi. He replaced her fuel pump. He didn't charge her for the fuel pump. Nothing. He did it all for a Pepsi. And I was like, damn.
00:21:29
Speaker
Very loud crying baby at the moment. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't think it's getting picked up on the mic too much.
00:21:39
Speaker
What was I saying? Oh, yeah. And then so we get there, we get here and all the filming goes great while we're here. Yeah. And then so Grace decides to trust this crazy guy, this biker guy, this cool, awesome desert warrior. And he tozed her car and she stays the night, you know, and then she's sick all night. She was just drinking like protein shakes. And then the next morning we drive out there and he gives her the car.
00:22:07
Speaker
Drives away, man. Wow. Damn, that's pretty cool. Yeah, but it was awesome shooting and we had some really cool shots and some interesting lighting and really cool looking lighting. Yeah, it was a good day. Yeah, it was cool. We got some good shots. She killed it. And also it was just like, damn, dude, you know what? We're pretty good. We can be good at this. Oh, definitely. So I wanted to just get your thoughts on that, man. Damn, man.
00:22:37
Speaker
I guess we'll jump into the main discussion. Yeah. Sorry, we're, we're maybe rocking and rolling here, but you know, sorry, everybody. I know you like it when we take it slow and explain things more, but just go with us. Go with us on this journey. Uh, it'll be over faster and that's better for everybody involved. Okay. Main discussion. Oh, there's a quote. Can you do Warner Herzog impression?
00:23:07
Speaker
Uh, no. If it was necessary. So what do you think about that, buddy? Is that what making a movie is like, going to hell and back? Wait till you're talking on the mic. What are you doing? Don't worry. We're on the main discussion, everybody.
00:23:37
Speaker
And Steven's about to ask, we're about to talk about this quote from Werner Herzog, and I'll read it in a more understandable, non-dumb voice. I would travel down to hell and wrestle a film away from the devil if it was necessary. And when I was thinking of this, I thought, do you kind of have to go down and make a deal with the devil and,
00:24:03
Speaker
go to those lengths, push yourself that far to really, you know, make a movie. Why is it that romantic? Is it that romantic? Making a movie? Yeah, definitely. It can be. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. But, you know,
00:24:22
Speaker
Like, didn't they want to kill him on his set? Oh, yeah, for sure. And he travels through the jungle with like a boat over land. Yeah. In real life. That's a pretty grueling movie. Yeah. So. OK. What do you think? Yes.
00:24:41
Speaker
Yes, I think it's cool. I think it's fun to romanticize things. Absolutely. I think it's easy to over-romanticize. Absolutely. It's probably easier to over-romanticize than just regular romanticize. Oh, yeah. But I'm a big fan of that. I think it can be a good motivator. Yeah. But also, you got to just be ready to spray for that reality whiplash. Oh! Because what?
00:25:13
Speaker
Oh, okay Jesus I was trying to read I was trying to read but then I was thinking what the words were and not saying them out loud All right. Yeah, I've been trying the tag that our podcast is about film filmmakers and filmmaking Today, I want to talk about that first F. Fuck
00:25:34
Speaker
The discussion will be about films. Yeah. What do you feel is the current state of films? Is this going to be too, is this too deep for you? Didn't we just talk about this with Barbenheimer? Uh, you think it's good when they're good? Yeah, I think it's great when they're good. It doesn't matter if they're a franchise or not. I think they're getting better.
00:25:57
Speaker
You know, I think we're on an upswing. I haven't seen Barbie, but I've heard from people like, it's like, yeah, it's good. Right? Yeah. Like, did you enjoy it? Yes, I did. Barbie, it does something that I hate that a lot of movies do now where it's like everything is very
00:26:19
Speaker
Like, uh, shoved down your throat. Everything's very in your face. There's no, the subtlety is, is there, but in an unsubtle way.
00:26:33
Speaker
Yeah. But there's more layers to it than that, which was what kind of makes it nice. Yeah. Because like, it's like, oh, this is what we want to shove down your throat, but you're still getting something shoved down your throat. And I guess some people like to gag. What? So the movie made you gag? No, no, I just swallowed. Nice. All right. So that's a next question.
00:27:02
Speaker
This is more like a Q&A type of main discussion. Oh. Are we entering into a new phase, or should we be hoping to enter into a new landscape for filmmakers? Oh, I think you were just talking about this, how you think movies are getting better. Is it gonna be like a new era of Hollywood, new era of film, and what is that gonna be like? Yeah. And should we be hoping for that? Yeah.
00:27:31
Speaker
Are we catching the wave on that or are we going to miss it? I think we are. I think we're catching it. This motherfucker is rubbing his belly like Buddha over here. You're giving us some good luck.
00:27:51
Speaker
Yeah, man, I think things are getting better, dude. Like, I really do. I think this is a much stronger gear just in general. I don't know. I saw Creed III. I didn't think Creed III was bad. You thought so? Creed III has a lot of the same problems that I kind of had with Oppenheimer. No, that's fair. But I think overall, that's still a really good movie.
00:28:17
Speaker
really weird antagonists and their storylines. Like, I don't know why Oppenheimer is a superhero movie. I don't know why it's treated like it's Dark Knight, but it's this nerdy scientist that likes to bang women. I don't know. I think I was like, okay, it's a style, I guess. But I kind of was like, it felt stateless.
00:28:46
Speaker
Who could, like, we, one, we know the bomb gun bullet goes off. There's no, there's no, unless they couldn't Tarantino's us, like, it didn't go off. Yeah. And then somehow like Japan wins. Yeah. It's a Japan. Nah, dude, you're right. You're right. You're completely right, bro. Fuck. Let me ask you this. Why don't you drink some of your fucking whiskey?
00:29:16
Speaker
I still think this is a better year than others of the same caliber. Like the same movies that kind of came out in that place last year, I don't think were as strong in previous years. I don't know, last year we had a couple good movies. Tar, Fableman's. I guess there was like five good movies last year.
00:29:41
Speaker
There might be a little more than that this year. What about horror this year? How are you feeling about horror this year? This isn't one of the questions on here, but it's something that just popped into my head. It's been all right. I haven't really seen too much. I hated scream. I didn't really like scream. No, there was one that came out that was pretty good.
00:30:00
Speaker
Did you see, didn't, didn't like the, um, X Pearl all that shit. And I think that was last year. Oh shit. Didn't see it. Red key. It's kind of, it's pretty bad. I came out this year. Yeah, but it's not, it's not that it's fun. It's a fun one. Uh, this year was smile thing. What smile is this year? Oh, yeah. Smile was good.
00:30:29
Speaker
That was fine. And so was Megan. Would you count Megan? I think that was this year. That was pretty good. Yeah. This has been a pretty good year. Yeah. I really didn't like Scream though. I really hated Scream. Yeah. It was real bad, I thought. I mean, really, I think there's only been Scream 1 and Scream 2 for me, if anything. I don't think there's any other Scream where I was like, oh my gosh, it's so great. Because Scream 1...
00:30:54
Speaker
I mean, that movie is fucking great. Right. It's pitch perfect. It's like a great slasher film. Yeah. Just the pacing and the construction of it and everything. It's just like, damn, that's so good. So it's hard for any of them to get to that same level. And it's kind of like riding that franchise wave, like, you know, talking about Fast and the Furious, where it's like, didn't they just used to race? Yeah.
00:31:17
Speaker
Like, I'm going to pump the NAS. I'm too fast to fix. Yeah. You know, it's funny. It's my same problem with Scream is the same problem I have with The New Fast and Furious is they're making parodies of themselves, but they're not good parodies. No. Right. Have they ever been? I'm sure there's been. Well, yes, certainly. Like if they made a satire of it, but it's not. Maybe if they're a scary movie.
00:31:47
Speaker
There you get the comedy. Yeah. Next question. This isn't a big one at all. Where do you see yourself in twin shadows coming up in 2024? Well, buddy, I see us actually getting some stuff done and out. Like actually finishing. Yeah, me too. And I think, you know, things are kind of lining up for us if we keep working on this diligently. You know, we're kind of running into a good
00:32:17
Speaker
pocket of time for us, in a way, because of the lack of work that's going out despite this trying times, right? Because I think that's going to affect the market. And guess whether you were like, well, we only got two movies. We got Dickhead or I'm going to fuck you, Baba.
00:32:35
Speaker
Damn, I'm gonna fuck your mom with it. You think we're gonna beat that? That's a good point, that's a good point. You're right, you're right. Shit. Damn. Oh, shit. We ain't gonna make it. My 24 is looking pretty bad. Oh, God, that's when we die. Well, I think I kind of
Future Project Roles: Directing Aspirations
00:32:51
Speaker
said it better myself, buddy. You said it so well. I'm gonna switch gears a bit.
00:32:55
Speaker
Do you get a sense that you have the rolls slash hats in mind that you want to wear on future projects? Oh, fuck, you mean rolls and hats. You said I'm fat. I mean, I should open you my belly a second ago, but you don't got to judge me so soon. That's pretty flat, buddy. You're looking good. Looking good over there. So you being like doing everything? Starving looks good on you. You mean like doing everything on set?
00:33:20
Speaker
Yeah. And also just like, I feel like I know you had kind of talked about limiting how many roles you want to have. Yeah. And like, but what roles are you kind of, are you interested in? Like, you know, the next project, of course, we're going to probably do everything because that's what happens. Yeah. But like, ideally, if you could get like a small crew together, like what hats are you wearing on set that you want to just be your concern? Writer director. Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:47
Speaker
And maybe cinematography a little bit. That'd be fun. OK, cool. You don't want to. Oh, yeah, you said writer director. Yeah, I also enjoyed the producing part, even though I don't really know what that means, but it sounds fancy. It means getting things done. Yeah, that's fun. So and then whatever you guys want me to be.
00:34:09
Speaker
in the meantime, but also I think what I'm realizing is I just have my hand. What is it? Too many pots? What is that saying? Sure. Spread too thin. Yeah. Yeah. No one likes to be spread too thin like your flat tummy.
00:34:26
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. What was the question again? What roles do you have in mind for your next, your future projects? Then flip it back at you. What do you feel? I feel like I only really write and direct. I don't know if I'm really good at anything else. I could probably see myself editing. Yeah. The project. Yeah. Not me, no way.
00:34:57
Speaker
I really want to start like leaning in and working with like a full-time cinematographer or have you full-time cinematographer not because I think I want, I want that to be a huge, uh, partnership is the designing the look and the feel of the film with cinematographer. Oh dude, that'd be awesome. Hell yeah. Cause, um, I'm like, this is where I want to like figure out how to create the shots I have in my head. Right. Like, yeah.
00:35:27
Speaker
Yeah, pigment, masks, you know, whatever, eating butt spaghetti. Oh, yeah. But yeah, that's what I, you know. Yeah, that sounds great.
00:35:39
Speaker
I mean, I'm going to do whatever role I have to, which generally means I'm going to be sweeping. Doing all the data transfer. Yeah. It's always been whatever it takes to get the job done. With that in mind, what advice do you have for filmmakers who feel they don't have what it takes? Well, you know, it's like the, I mean, like Shia LaBeouf said, right? You just got to do it. Like what do you have to lose? Just try.
00:36:08
Speaker
Right. But it's scary, Mr. Steven. Yeah, but so what if you fell? At least he gave it a shot. I saw a TikTok with the guy and was really funny and I'm not funny, Mr. Steven. Do your goddamn best. Steal. Steal, goddamn it, just steal. I steal everything, Mr. Steven. All right. Okay. All right, next question. Where the fuck am I?
00:36:36
Speaker
I don't want to get an asset. Oh, are there any franchises that you want to see continued speaking of franchises earlier? Bringing it back. Do I want to see any franchise continued? Ew, no, I hate franchises. So there's none, but you don't want to see Fast or Fierce 11? No, you know, I really don't like franchises because they just...
00:36:58
Speaker
Too many things they franchise. And now it's like, I just want some shit to die. Move on to new shit. You know, I'm kind of done with it. But I'll also say, you know, if you do get, do a franchise and you make a quality film, you'll get me on board. But shit, man. Come on. Right. I agree. But where's the money? That's true. Well, you know, I guess that's not true for all franchises.
00:37:28
Speaker
I want more Mad Max movies. Yeah, so if you make a good franchise, hey, what do you know? There's a couple franchises I definitely enjoy. I can't think of them at the moment. Yeah, I was like, I don't really know. I like these Batman movies. I will say the last couple, like that Batman, that Chris Pattinson, Robert Pattinson,
00:37:55
Speaker
I like that Robert Pattinson Batman movie. I am a sucker for Batman, you know, because vampires and bats, they suck. You know, I'm a sucker for Batman. Fucking shit. Yeah, no, I don't think I don't know. All right. That was the franchise question.
00:38:13
Speaker
Yeah. Hmm. Jesus Christ. I guess I'll ask this. I wrote it specifically in regards to the mainstream slash bigger theater type films. Yeah. What are your biggest complaints and compliments surrounding these films? What are the pros and cons of these big mainstream movies? Pros? There's no pros.
00:38:40
Speaker
Nothing's good about them. No, get the fucking out of here. Let's get some good shit, man. Okay. I want some films where you feel like there's a lot of care putting into it, regardless of how good or bad it is. I want that authenticity. And you know, I think there was a time where films had a little bit more authenticity. I think it fluctuates.
00:39:01
Speaker
Yeah, I think it definitely does. Are we rhythming back to authenticity? I think so. You know, we're done with this idealism, because now it's gone perverse. Yes, I love it. I'm so... God, dude, I'm such a gross pervert. What a wonderful thing. Um, sure. Guess why that... Why not? The quote at the start of this segment mentions going to hell to get to a film. Oh, yeah. But isn't it always that kind of struggle? Have you found a manner to cope with that?
00:39:34
Speaker
We're not under any influences at all right now. We're coping just fine. Just fine. We're doing okay. Don't worry, everyone. No, I think there's different levels of hell, dude. It's like Dante's Inferno, man. There's some different rings, and there's some worse ones than others. And the film he made with the goddamn boat over a hill,
00:39:58
Speaker
that was probably pretty awful well dickhead we went through with dickhead i'm pretty sure probably hasn't been anywhere as bad we're lucky in what we've done oh yeah you know and i think i think we've had a lot of time to cushion that yeah as well getting it to a good place and we kind of been working on it we did podcasts talking about it
00:40:20
Speaker
We've been working. And we edit every day, honestly. Every day we edit. Every day I look at Premiere. Every day I think about it. That's true. I do think about every day. So, yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's right. What about you? Drugs, mostly. Wait, do you think every film is going through hell? Yes. Equals do the same.
00:40:46
Speaker
No. Okay. No. But I think it's always, there's always going to be. It's like a ring of hell, right? It's because I think the problem is, it's like, you're always giving, if you're doing it right, you should always be giving some of yourself. Yeah. And you never get that part back. How many years? And a lot of money. Or happiness. Less stress. We could have fucking went. Could you imagine just not stressing about pills?
00:41:17
Speaker
Yeah. All the dead, all the gravely dead for what we called. I have dreams. I'm going to make it. Yep. All right. We're almost there, buddy. Okay. So only two more questions left. Thank God.
00:41:41
Speaker
What do you think of co-directing roles? Do you like co-directing? Do you want to do more co-directing in the future? It's definitely fun. It's nice to just lean on you so much. You know, when I get lazy. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, you're right. It's nice to have that other person to work with to help you out when you
00:42:08
Speaker
I don't know, can't figure it out sometimes or don't have the strength. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a big fan of it. Yeah. Let's get our asses up. Get to it. You know, it's, it's a real tough one man job and it's a bit, and it's a, but it's a doable two man job, especially when you have a partner that, you know, that, uh, brings up your strengths, you know, or, and, and, uh, and catches your weaknesses as any good partner.
00:42:35
Speaker
Yeah. So let's leave on a happy thought before we have some fun. I have a feeling it's going to get a little interesting here in a minute. So a final thought before we do some fun script reading stuff. Okay. Put on your imaginary cap of wish fulfillment. Can you describe to me your hopes and dreams, no matter how absurd or grounded for the future of Twin Shadows, Dickhead, TSP,
00:43:06
Speaker
I had dreams, mother. I was gonna make it with the will we call it. Dickhead. Okay, tell me about those dreams. No, I hope I see us being done.
00:43:20
Speaker
Yeah. At least with Dickhead on picture lock, for sure. And then releasing a jog at night, for sure. Yeah. And then kind of shooting that out there, seeing where it lands, see how we feel about how things are working, and then get Dickhead going. So leave one as a Canarian coal mine, go out there first, and then have the other one following. Yeah. Just take the right path. Yeah.
00:43:47
Speaker
And then they'll be like, oh, man, we don't got any movies, man. The only movie there is is this film called Dickhead. I don't know what should we do. Like, God damn it, just buy it. Buy it. We need something. We need something. Oh, the horses. That was, I begged your mama. What? Oh, I begged your mama, too. Oh, fuck that. She didn't want to see that. We got to sneak that one in, buddy. We can shoot that over a weekend.
00:44:10
Speaker
Um, so yeah, man, just being done with it. Yeah. Could you imagine just moving off from this fucking shit? God damn. No, I can't. That would be like, Oh yeah, we made that movie decade. Everybody, if you want to go see. Yeah. The DVDs out there. Yeah.
00:44:28
Speaker
Oh, shit. That's a good dream, buddy. Yeah. What about you? That's the same dream, but I mean, more money. No, I'm kidding, of course. But I would just like to see us start. I want to, like, do a festival next year. Yeah. I want to see one of our movies in a festival next year.
00:44:54
Speaker
Oh, definitely. We can pay the festival to this. I don't get it. If we got to do that, we got to do that. And we got to pay them anyway. But that's why. Please take us, please. No, we don't want you. Give us 30 dollars. All right. OK, OK. Well, yeah. Any final thoughts, buddy? No, man, I'm good. All right. Well, we should put the paper at me. I have you have a choice here tonight. You have our death.
00:45:23
Speaker
You get to choose your own adventure. Hanging or gunshot? I have written two episodes of text. Uh-huh. The ongoing show about the lab workers, Tom and Steve. Yeah. So you either get episode A or episode B. Am I allowed to ask like- The titles of each episode? Yes. Sure.
00:45:51
Speaker
Episode A, last night at Froggies, written by fraudulent claims. Okay. Episode B, we're all fucked anyway, written by not Steve. Okay. Am I allowed to ask other questions? Yes. Is there one you preferred? Or is there one you had fun writing, I should say?
00:46:15
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. Well, both, I love both a lot. I will say this. I love both a lot. One is more me trying to be funny, and then one is me just being gross. Let's get you trying to be funny. Okay. You want to do the gross one? No. Well, let me ask you a question.
00:46:42
Speaker
How many voices do you want to do? Not many. Okay, then we're doing this one. The other one, we'll do another time. It's funny, this is actually text episode six. You picked correctly. So you guys all know what text episode seven is called, which we'll be reading next time probably. Last night at Froggy's, written by fraudulent claims. Reports.
00:47:12
Speaker
Okay, would you like to read action or do you wanna? No, I got the action bro. I got the action. Interior froggy's bar night. Steve makes slow circles sitting hunched over the bar. The wet consolidation. What?
00:47:31
Speaker
You know. The what? Condensation? Condensation. Oh. I don't know how to spell. Consolidation. Swirling into the strained, stained counter. Psalm stands next to him, drunkenly slurring. I think, I look, I don't have to. You're very large. I think you're better off alone. My uncle would always ask me, Tom, never stood naked in tall grass.
00:47:59
Speaker
I always answered, no. Who does that? What do you think he meant by that? Steve slams the remainder of his drink. A small stream pours down his chin. Burp. Tall grass in the desert. Isn't that your uncle that's the petal? Maybe that's why he had such a fascination with me being naked. Oh, God. Steve drunk.
00:48:28
Speaker
Right. Maybe stick with me here. Burp, burp. We need another drink. Maybe we won't have to air bring up any possibly rude altering subjects. I would like to I would like to stick to a topic that isn't about pedophiles. All right. Past lovers pick up.
00:48:52
Speaker
You think you can manage, humph, deep breath. But I think it's very much within the realm of possibility that you can stick with the landing. Tom looks over to the bartender. She has fresh face at the old establishment, too. Green to know any better than the swell altar of familiar for a sweet little hole-like froggies.
00:49:21
Speaker
How about two more doers, my lady? She nods, smiles, looks for the bottle. She weighs the empty glass bottle at Tom. Shit, shit, we killed the bottle. Oh my God, fuck. Now you gotta go and start ranting about things at a time like this. We should be having a good time celebrating freedom. USA, USA.
00:49:48
Speaker
The quiet chant does not disturb the other patrons who are all living in their own little universe. You gotta be the bartender, dude. Fred, I'm all out of your favorite whiskey, boys. Care for something else? I got James and Jack. This weird-looking bottle I can't really pronounce.
00:50:14
Speaker
We're a bottle in a thick tippy top, please, thinking. Well, you sure do have the prettiest smile I have ever seen, realization. Oh, I said it out loud, didn't I? Oh, you sure did, but I guess I shouldn't have thought against you.
00:50:34
Speaker
Your mind might be filled with something else. Oh, God. Dickhead. Steve trolls around in an electric-taped varsity. Tall hands have the mysterious booze and the two cheers. Oh, thank you, thank you. You know, I keep trying to recall your name, but I want to say it's, uh, Kim-Kimber-Gimberber. The bartender, Sam, who wears a name tag saying so interrupt. It's Sam. It's literally on my name tag.
00:51:04
Speaker
Yeah, but, you know, I was using all my ability to try and not look down on your shirt, you know, which you're very well aware is next to your nametag and it's placed so my chivalry has caused me the ignorance of knowing what was listed on your breast. Sam smiles, turns to add the drink total to the tab, walks down to serve another patient.
00:51:31
Speaker
Wow, that was smooth, man. Smooth as eggs, you know. How you think you could teach me a thing or two? Ha ha, laughter. You big buffoon. I don't know how you do it. I think the booze helps the, what were we talking about for all this? What were we talking about? I was admitting to change the subject.
00:52:02
Speaker
Oh, right, right. You had a nice little rant going on, Drew. You haven't seemed so fired up in weeks. Got a little bit of that oomph, that Batman, kapow, boink, zoom, zoom going on. Oh, I got nothing. Steve looks down into the full glass. His reflection dances in the upstairs of his drunk, shaking hand. You know the story of Sisyphus?
00:52:33
Speaker
Okay, in Hades that rolls the rock up the hill. I don't think he was a cat, but yeah, I get ya. Doomed to repeat the same action every day for all eternity. Right. But don't you feel like that? I guess we all do this from time to time, like we just live to push the boulder up the hill. We crash fight every night.
00:52:58
Speaker
Just to wake up from it and do it all over again, haunted by some ignorant belief that we are working towards something, something, something.
00:53:10
Speaker
Jesus Christ! It's something, something, something. That something is death. That's what we are working towards. For the day we left the dark, we were racing towards it. Eager to return. Always forgetting that we came from nothing. And we returned to nothing.
00:53:32
Speaker
Hey, buddy, why don't you drink your mystery drink? For tonight, we can toss aside the notion of impending doom, sad nothings, the great discovery, or something a little less elegant, a little bit less profound, and much less interesting. Steve gulps down a good portion of the medium-sized glass. Gave into that selfish ignorance, Steve, Dom, gave men, we fight, we fuck, we finish drink,
00:54:03
Speaker
Okay, my voice. Great Sky God, give drink so we drink. Thank you, Sky God. Oh, fuck. Sky God, hell. I'm sorry, Sky God, forgive me. You have anger at the Sky God.
00:54:23
Speaker
Top test is glass against Steve's. The two delved the glass. Steve continued. Well, I need to take a piss. A long piss. Can you point me to the direction of the toilet? Top picks up Steve. Tom grabs his glass and sets it on the bar. Spins Steve towards the bathroom. Oh, hey there, matey. Straight ahead, 15 pieces. You can't miss it.
00:54:51
Speaker
If you fall overboard, remember it's better to doggy paddle and don't call for help. Steve marches off saluting as he stumbles into the toilets. A young lady walks up and taps Tom's shoulder. He spins around stumbling. Aren't you going to be the girl? Oh, shit. Hi. Is your name Tom?
00:55:20
Speaker
Tom scans the room before answering. Sometimes. Who you asking? You the police? No. My name is Liz.
00:55:30
Speaker
I heard you don't charge your friends for special treats. Well, you heard right, little lady, Liz, lady. That's a bit forward of you, though. Who the fuck, you know, who told you such a thing, man? It's a big rumor live, maybe. Oh, well, that's unfortunate because I was hoping to get some molly. For free? Is that what you're getting at? Don't need to be shy. What the fuck is that? Sorry.
00:55:59
Speaker
Sorry, I am shy and nervous. Well Liz, first I don't sell anything and I don't know you, so I'm afraid I can't help you. Huh? Steve gets back, he pushes past Liz and climbs the seat. Um, but so wait, how do I get? Oh, nevermind, you stupid. Fuck off, bitch.
00:56:23
Speaker
Well, that was awkward. Did he show his penis? He does that sometimes. Sorry for my friend here. You see, he likes a certain, let's say, elegance when it comes to chatting with random strangers. He just often resorts to cavemen.
00:56:45
Speaker
The funerary went confronted with strange, beautiful women. Liz gasps and looks down. Steve isn't wearing his pants. Just some socks, they walk the reefs. You, you are wearing your pants! What the fuck happened in there, soldier? Did you lose the war? Did we need to raise the white flag? Good Lord, those really are some awesome underwear. Steve, paranoia. I got surrounded, buddy.
00:57:14
Speaker
They were everywhere, the walls, every direction. I looked, the walls came closer, layers of walls, reinforcements.
00:57:27
Speaker
I didn't know which way was up. The floor was on my hand, and soon I saw freedom. A kind of trooper left the way over for me, so I sacrificed himself. I barely survived with my life. Tom nods with Steve's story. A stranger walks out of the men's room holding a pair of jeans faded towards the door.
00:57:49
Speaker
Liz, wait here a moment. Steve, get us four waters and drink two of them before I get back. I'll retrieve your pants, my friend, if it costs me my life. Tom rushes over to the would-be pant thief. Steve ordered this waiter. Sam walked back over and she noticed his current state of pant-sussness. Steve, Steve, where are your pants?
00:58:16
Speaker
That will be resolved shortly. Apologies for my current state of undress, madam. Oh, I don't mind. Just don't make it a habit, OK? Of course. As you wish. Because, yes. Here it is. Yeah. Is he coming back? Tom is like the Terminator, you know? When it comes to things like that.
00:58:47
Speaker
Retrieving clothes. Helping out his friends. But you see, oh, but you should know that if you were in fact friends, I am trying. Just for free stuff, doesn't that seem a bit well? I don't know. Penny?
00:59:07
Speaker
Hey, my little business, mister. Shoo, fly. Don't bother me. Steve chides a glass of warm water. Sam adds some salt to the glass to assist with the dehydration. I am alive. Tom rushes back over, tossing Steve his pants. He slips them on balances, restored to the forest.
00:59:33
Speaker
Okay. I have returned Liz. How are you? Oh shit. Where are we? The bottom of page says your buddy here. He isn't that friendly. That's the bottom of the page. Yeah. So the next line is Tom raises. Yes. Tom raises his eyebrows. He would only have lifted one if he was able to, but he cannot. So his face just looks remarkably stupid.
01:00:04
Speaker
Oh, surprised. Same thing for me. Well, that is just no good. Not good at all. I really want some drugs, though. Steve, what do you think? Don't do it, man. Don't do it. Hey, you heard the man. Liz gets closer to Tom putting on a seductive voice. All right.
01:00:28
Speaker
Yeah, there has to be something I can do. My friends and I were really looking forward to it. You didn't even want to invite us over, man. Yeah, that's not cool. You can go and suck a fuck. What? Pretty, please. Flash us your tits. Steve now also raises the light round. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We got there pretty fast, buddy.
01:00:51
Speaker
He'll know, you fucking pervert! Well, that was easy. Where's my staples button? The brilliant elegance into its simplicity. Bam! Smash it! That was easy. This stumps off back to her group of friends at the table across the bar. A bunch of dudes at that table. Oh, shit. Good, I want blood. Chief it down, man. They're actually my heroes. Dude, the audacity. Who's telling these people I'm a fucking drug dealer?
01:01:21
Speaker
Hey, man, that was me, dude. I kind of, you know, tell everyone that you have drugs on you. It's like a litmus test to understand people real quickly. I didn't even have anything on me.
01:01:37
Speaker
Nah, man, you know I just wanted to drink. Sometimes that's enough. Yeah, it's not for sure you slipped me something, bro. Nah, never, dude. That's in the next story. What other story? The Mightiest Adventure. The podcast? Never mind, this is getting too meta. I think it's time for some action.
01:01:58
Speaker
This is a group of friends muscle their way over to the bar. Tom and Steve stand shoulder to shoulder. A bullish looking bald man in his 30s. Oof, toss out his chest of points to the both. You gotta be both.
01:02:14
Speaker
You two fucks are gonna get fucked. For reals? You don't want your butt. Not good? I think you gotta bring it down a little bit, buddy. What? More bullish, buddy, let's see. More bullish? You two fucks are gonna get fucked.
01:02:37
Speaker
So fuckin' hard your fuckin' kids will have an indent in my fuckin' fist in their fucked up skulls! A very monologue for someone who has a four-ward vocabulary. What is so worse than you, Billy Boy? No way! What, you fuckin' kill people? You fuckin' monsters?
01:02:59
Speaker
Take it outside, you animals. I don't call them the cops. Sarah grabs her phone holding the flashlight and the bull's eyes. Yo, let's make a run for it. You sure, man? I ain't so good at making a run for it. Look at me, man. My top speed's like six. Miles per hour? Hell, not miles per day. Fuck it. You got a smoke bomb or some kind of distraction?
01:03:25
Speaker
Steve thinks for a beat, grabbing out a fistful of coins from his jeans, he tosses them in the air and starts running for the door. Thanks, Sam, you're just a bit wood. Steve rushes to the confused crowd, tall fall like shortly after. I don't remember writing that. You just throw a bunch of coins in the air. Like, censor and such shit. Okay. Sam has my keys.
01:03:55
Speaker
Who cares now? Run, Fanny. Fucking run. Cut to exterior desert night. No one chased after them. In fact, they had no idea where they had ended up. Surrounded by itchy tall grass, Tom removed his pants and underwear.
01:04:09
Speaker
You know what, I think my uncle just wanted to fuck me. What? Steve turns around and sees his dry, yellow grass, petting, tubs, balls, acid blows at the midnight breeze. Jesus Christ, buddy. Of course he wanted to fuck me. He was a degenerate pedophile, man. Sorry, you just had to see my junk just there. I guess I just wanted to know. Well, you feel better? You know, I do feel better, buddy. Do you feel better?
01:04:35
Speaker
Uh, no. You know what, though? I feel like I have really grown as a person. Hey, that's a fantastic news, man. You know, I think we both got something nice out of tonight. Hell, it's only Friday. We got two more days of debauchery. Think we can invite Sam over for some board games? I mean, we could try. She totally digs me though, bro. That she does, good buddy. That she does.
01:05:04
Speaker
Family, bro. Family. Thomas the block over to a set of flat boulders. They each take their own laying down against a cold, smooth stone.
01:05:18
Speaker
Hey, these rocks, they're pretty smooth. They're smooth as eggs. Yeah, man, that moon is pretty dang bright tonight, huh? Think life is ever this simple. Or do we just find ways to create, over-complicate the world? Create problems that just lead to self-destruction. And never any spiral of self-loathing and hate.
01:05:45
Speaker
You might be honest, something there. I mean, look at us, two drunk dudes sitting on a rock looking at the moon, quarter the size of the earth, thinking we might have more complex issues to worry about. Sure, it's all about scale, but nothing beats a good, simple story. It's all about execution, life, love, understanding that we all are the ones who struggle each day to find meaning where we can just try to be present and exceed the best we can.
01:06:16
Speaker
Yeah. We are some real good thinkers, you and I. Me think you think pretty good. You think I think you think pretty good. Is that pretty good? Hey, you know which direction the car is?
01:06:32
Speaker
No idea. The end. Next time I'll text one quest for more boobies. And they get those boobies. Oh, uh oh. Okay, buddy, that was text episode six. What did you think of that episode?
01:06:54
Speaker
Yeah, right. Cool. We made it. We actually survived the podcast. How did you like the reading of your latest work? I surprised myself, which I meant just being... Yeah, you completely forgot what you wrote. Yeah. It's been a while. I wrote both of these on the same day. Oh, that's cool. And I remember the second one way better, but it's also... It's very x-rated.
01:07:21
Speaker
Oh, you don't say. Let's just say I got plans that we can film this in the future, buddy. Oh, you don't say. You'll really like me if we could film this in the future. It just has to be erotic. It's like the whole point of the story, man. Hey, man, I dig it, man. I dig it. It's an erotic sci-fi adventure. Ooh, erotic sci-fi. Lots of...
01:07:51
Speaker
Lots of wires. Electricity. A lot of butt stuff. Oh. Next time on Twin Shouse Podcast. More butt stuff. Hey, Twin Shouse Podcast. Cut.