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Theology Discussion - Part 2 - FF S2 E6
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Our Fatherhood panel continues their important discussion about Calvanism vs. Arminianism. A valuable thoughtful discussion ensues as brothers in Christ discuss what the Bible teaches about salvation, free will, and God's sovereignty. Put on your thinking cap and chew on some deep thoughts with us!
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Introduction and Series Overview
00:00:12
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Well, hello everybody. Welcome to the Preacher Dad podcast. This is Fatherhood Friday and we are glad to have you here with us. This is part two in our series about Calvinism versus Arminianism, a theological discussion that hopefully you find interesting.
Calvinism vs Arminianism Debate
00:00:28
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Don't worry, we don't settle anything, but we just hopefully give you something to think about and consider in your Bible study and in considering these important subjects.
00:00:38
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And also hopefully give you a good example of how brothers can disagree and still love each other. So I want to remind you that this podcast is brought to you by Cornerstone Fellowship. We would love for you to check us out online at cornerstonefellowship-ga.org. You can find sermons there, videos, statements of faith, and an address if you want to come visit.
00:01:00
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So we'd love to see you. But without any further ado, let's start Fatherhood Friday. Fatherhood Friday.
Interpretation of Biblical Passages
00:01:12
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so basically the question is are we are we are we viewing this passage to be too individualistic or is this meant to be more of a to to kind of use y'all's terminology that you said earlier more of a all types of people um like is this is this referring to a broader category of people not individuals is really the question
00:01:32
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i think in this passage is very hard for me it's a hard circle to square on both sides of it um but i think the the best argument um if you're trying to argue away from a potential predestination uh interpretation here is is in line with kind of where jared was thinking that it's not this isn't prescribing salvation as much as it is prescribing the purpose of the life you're given but there's it's not necessarily about some people are meant for hell and some people are meant for heaven
00:02:10
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It's more meant that some people's lives will be destroyed, will be ripped up ripped apart, but any way where God is exacting his judgment and his wrath.
00:02:21
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And it's consistent with what you see throughout the Old
God's Use of People and Nations
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Testament. There were many instances where the children of Israel, not necessarily people that were committers of great sin, but because God was exercising wrath and judgment over his people, who died in battle, who died of famine and disease, who died of hardship,
00:02:41
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And it wasn't because of an exaction punishment on their specific sin as much as much as it was God revealing himself to his people and how how they are be responding to him.
00:02:54
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And since that's a very consistent context with the original oh audience that Roman is written for me, it seems like a consistent thought that this is in part making sense.
00:03:11
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of God's use of people groups and nations and ah you know all all kinds of different disbursements of personality, their peoples to be able to accomplish his will.
Divine Judgment and National Events
00:03:26
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And it's not for us to decide whether or not we're gonna be part of the evangelistic crew or we're gonna be part of the crew that's destroyed by God because both are in the purposes of his glory.
00:03:42
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Like if America fell to that vast judgment tomorrow and the entire country was overcome in war and many, many Christians died, there wouldn't be God um expressing less love for his people in that he would be allowing his judgment to finally fall upon a nation that turns back against God and that God would be built. God's using his part of his body as an example of his judgment.
00:04:12
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because he has the right to.
00:04:16
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I was just going to say, Nathan, I think oftentimes and in scripture, you'll see that it's both and um <unk>s in regards to how God is, is God talking about a nation or is he talking about an individual? And I think in this case, it can be both and, you know, he's he says in this passage, he says, not all Israel is Israel.
00:04:36
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And so it not just because you're descended from Abraham, are you a part of these? yeah you know, a part
God's Sovereignty in Salvation
00:04:44
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of the beloved, so to speak. So I think and it's kind of the inverse of what he does with, um, it's Sarah and, um, I can't, I'm drawing a blank with people's names right now. are Yes.
00:05:02
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Yes. Thank you. I think this is, it can be kind of the inverse, right? Sarah and Hagar, he says, these are two of individual women who are in history and yet, what God did with their lives was to it was to show a greater ah reality of what he's doing with people groups, right? And then in this, it can be, okay, there's you have the Gentiles and you have the Israelites, but individually, just because you're in those two camps does not necessarily mean you are saved or unsaved. Not all Israel is Israel, and you know that's... and Not all the Gentiles are
Exploring God's Sovereignty Over Sin
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condemned.
00:05:38
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Exactly. Right, and so you have, and and God's choice in that is on is undisputable by clay bots.
00:05:52
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All righty, got great discussion around that one too, guys. Let's move on to the next question here. Let's see here. So for matt this one is for you.
00:06:03
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Mark, yes.
00:06:07
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If God sovereignly ordained, whosoever comes, or I'm sorry, whatsoever comes to pass, including every sin and evil act. How is he not the author of sin and evil?
00:06:17
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And of course, the most common counterpoint to that particular thought process, James 1, 13 through 14, let no one say when he is tempted that I am being tempted of God, for God cannot be tempted with evil, nor can he himself tempt, or nor, I can't read tonight, I'm sorry guys.
00:06:34
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God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts one. But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. What's fascinating to me about that particular passage is the power of sin is expressly placed on the individual, their own desire.
00:06:54
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How is that consistent with the ordinance that God in his sovereignty manipulates all things at all times to unfold his purposes?
00:07:06
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Go ahead, Mark.
00:07:09
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Well, i I'll just start by saying i don't think this is a Calvinistic problem. I think this is just the problem of of theodicy all all over, right? Because, okay, either God has or decreed all things to come to pass and ordained for all things to come to pass, or he knew all things that were going to happen and you know orchestrated it such anyways. And I'm not really one to hold to the...
00:07:35
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um who's at William Lane Craig, who, who's he kind of treats it as if God is like Dr. Strange and the Avengers, where he's looking at 10 billion, you know, different scenarios. And this is the best one we got. Right. Um, I don't, I don't view that. I can't remember the the theological term for it, but, um, I don't think, I think everybody has to deal with this in some way because God, know, you take the whole council of scripture. You can't just say that God's not sovereign over evil.
00:08:04
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Um, and And we have to be able to to think in some kind of category for this because, i mean, what is the worst evil that has ever occurred in the world? It's the crucifixion of the you know sinless son of God.
00:08:21
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And Acts 4 makes it very clear that God predestined for this to happen.
God's Role in Evil Events
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And i don't I don't think God is reactionary in the sense that that was a plan B. right when When God fell, he had to go, okay, let's all get together and as a trinity and figure out what we're going to do here. um I think that when he spoke the the universe into existence, he spoke the whole story um from Genesis to Revelation.
00:08:49
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and and that was And that is unchanging and all according to to his plan. um And so it is you know this mystery we all have to deal with.
00:09:00
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And I don't think it's any less paradoxical for a Calvinist than it is for, um you know, anyone else for that matter. um it it's It's the, you know, the issue of of theodicy. um But you do see God handling evil people.
00:09:23
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um Like, you know, the the verses that I think are some of the most difficult or how he treats Assyria and Babylon, where he says, you know, they did not intend for it in their heart to do this, but I'm going to use them to judge my people, right? Like he says, I'm going to send them to judge my people, and then I'm going to judge them for the motives of their heart.
00:09:48
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You know, he he says, i'm I'm going to use them. They are not going to go and attack my people as as instruments of my wrath. They're going to go and do it because they're depraved.
00:09:59
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But them going and doing that will accomplish my purpose. And then because they weren't acting as in any kind of righteous way, I'm going to turn and judge them as well.
00:10:13
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um You know, this is a ah this is a ah difficult topic, um but, you know, what is did God decree for all things to come to pass?
00:10:33
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Yes, I did. Or yes, he did, I believe, because... Whoa. Yes. You did. don't Don't snip that out. happens Audio clip.
00:10:48
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But i don't I don't know. I think that this is just an issue that Christians have to answer. um and And I don't think that there is any, um, when it comes to man's free will or a man's will, I should say, um we do have our internal lusts that we go after and that are, that, um, are evil.
00:11:16
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Um, and our pursuit of those lusts is God is sovereign over that. I think in both unbelievers and believers, um,
00:11:27
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And I don't see, he's not the one planting these, these temptations in us, but he is the one, you know, leading us into those scenarios, just as the spirit led the sun into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
00:11:46
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Right. um I mean, that was his plan and that occurred. So I don't know, X four, and where it talks about God predestining the, the,
00:11:57
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the crucifixion of his son in Genesis 50, where it talks about Joseph and you know what man intended for evil, God intended for good. um
00:12:09
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I see it all as God's will and man's will being carried out. Mark, can I chime in here?
Free Will vs Predestination Debate
00:12:17
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Yeah. I agree with you. I think you're you're right. I mean, this is not a Calvinist issue. The problem of sin, the problem of evil, is something that that we all have to wrestle with and deal with. I mean, if you're a Calvinist, I guess you believe that God decreed it all. And if you're an Aminiist, you believe that God allowed it all. But either way, you kind of have a problem there.
00:12:41
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And so... way, is the one who who is in control. He is. and And he is absolutely in control. There's no question about that. um But I think that, you know, i was going to bring up the passage about...
00:12:57
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about Joseph because you know we've just recently been studying that and what what you intended for evil, this was sinful, this was wicked, you did wrong and God actually will hold them accountable for their sins and yet he still uses that and intended it to bring about good to save the seed of Abraham from destruction. you know That's incredible. I think that's part of the amazing, one of the amazing things to me about the Lord is that he takes the things that man meant for to be horrible.
00:13:29
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Man did evil and intended it to be bad. And God redeems it and turns it good. And he turns it around and makes it ah redemptive. He redeems it from the sinfulness it was and turns it into something that's beneficial for mankind. Like the most, like you were saying, the most wicked evil thing that ever could have taken place was to crucify the sinless perfect son of God across upon the cross. And God somehow turns that around andnna and planned to the whole time turn it around and make it a redemption from all of mankind. That is pretty incredible. I wanted to just throw one thought out here about the nature of evil.
00:14:05
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And that is, um you know how in a dark room, if you turn the light off, you're not turning darkness on, you're just removing light. Darkness is not actually a thing that exists. It's just the absence of everything else.
00:14:20
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And so I sort of wonder if sin isn't that way. God didn't create sin, but he gave people, including angels, including Lucifer, including human beings, the ability to choose. And when they did not choose to follow the Lord, they chose not to obey, then evil became a thing. It didn't become a thing. It's just evil is the absence of righteousness. Evil is or sinfulness is the absence righteousness.
00:14:49
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It's the turning away from the Lord. It's not an existent entity or or even a thing in and of itself. It doesn't exist exactly. It's just the choosing against the Lord or it's it's not choosing to follow him. And therefore, that is what sin, that's how sin came to be, is is not because God created sin and created righteousness and said, okay, now pick.
00:15:16
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It's just that mankind didn't choose to follow the Lord and then sin is the result. It's like turning the light off. To that to point, Jared, I mean, I think you bring up a good question. It's kind of the question of why did God create anything, right? And and the catechism answer is for his glory. But I think if you want to define that even more, it it is, you know, God created a context in which his light in in darkness could be shown, right? he The reason God created all of this is because God can't god could not and in the Trinity display justice and his perfect justice. He could display his perfect love within the Trinity, but he couldn't display patience.
00:16:03
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He couldn't display wrath. He couldn't display any of these surpassing riches you know of his glory And so part of the reason why God created anything, well, the reason God created everything the way it is is so that the fullness of his being could be more put on display.
00:16:21
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Right. And you have to have evil in that context in order to to display patience, in order to display wrath. You know, God is a consuming fire, it says in in Hebrews. And as Nadab and Abihu know all too well. Right. And so you like God can't convey. God could not convey that within himself without.
00:16:48
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The context of darkness around it. I mean, that's that's kind of how I view it. The Ephesians to saying. you know, talking about God raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come, he might show. the surpassing riches of his grace in kindness towards us in Christ Jesus, right? God wanted to do this. God wanted to have vessels of destined for destruction so that he could redeem many of them, and I would even say most of them, to ah eternal life.
00:17:31
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And so we see the glory of his wrath and his patience and his love and his kindness and his know, all of these things are now able to be put on display, whereas they they couldn't in a perfect trinity.
00:17:45
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So do you think that God invented evil, that he created evilness or wickedness? No, I agree with you that evilness is not a thing in the same way cold is not a thing. Okay. It's the absence of heat. Evil is the absence of of righteousness, right? And so you...
00:18:03
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you know it's it's not that it's this black blob in the movies that's going around and filling right anything that's okay okay yeah yeah well throw one follow-up here for you for mark and then i think it's probably what four hours for this one section uh this has been a fantastic conversation and a lot and very fascinating for me so i certainly appreciate your guys's time on this one but just to throw this out there mark it seems like The framing, they and i think, Jared, you agree with this too, that God's sovereignty can limit God's sovereignty to the point where he can decide there is a space that can operate outside of him.
00:18:51
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It seems like that was a concession that you just made in the way that you're talking about evil coming into existence because it doesn't emanate from God. It emanates from absence of God.
00:19:03
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the only way there could ever be any place or anything or anywhere where there's an absence of God would be if his sovereignty made it so. If anything could have any creative impact or capacity in anywhere, anywhere, it would have to be because God withdrew his self to allow it to happen.
00:19:23
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Would you agree with that?
00:19:26
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i have i have a hard time I have a hard time saying God is not anywhere. I think I have a hard time saying God is not everywhere at ah at all at once. But I think what sure i think what you're saying, though, is is not that he doesn't he doesn't exist everywhere, just that he allows people to ah go places that are are are are wrong, like to turn away from him. He's allowing that to happen. Is that what you're referring to?
00:19:52
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if if sin is analogous to darkness or cold, then God is light and heat. then sin could only exist if there's a place where light and heat would withdraw. I'll have to chew on that one for a while, Tony, I think.
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00:21:51
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What do you think, Mark? Or Matt? Or Nate? I have some thoughts and questions, but I want to hear Mark first because Tony asked him. but That God is, yeah, um I mean, I'm with Jared in that. I'm not going to say that God is not anywhere.
00:22:07
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um But in terms of, you know, sin and evil not displaying the image of God, right? If we were to be image bearers and to to display his image, right? When we sin, we are We are not fulfilling our purpose in being image bearers. um I don't.
00:22:34
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In that, in that regard, yes, we're falling short of God's glory in that way. I'm
00:22:47
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trying to, I'm trying to think of how to answer in a way that is addressing your question, but I'm, having big difficulty so maybe nathan can join in i mean i have more maybe not directly answering tony's question but just more on the topic of evil um i think this is where i differ the most from calvinism or at least we can use the title calvinism i would say more determinism where everything is predetermined god has decreed all things to come to pass um
00:23:21
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I don't see how you can get a full scope of justice when God decreed for the evil to take place in the sense if we're going to use the word decree to mean cause. So I guess the question is, are you going to say that God decreeing evil or God allowing evil is the same as God causing evil?
00:23:38
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So to expound on that, you know just because God allowed the Holocaust to happen,
00:23:48
Speaker
so he decreed it. Before the beginning of time that Hitler was going to kill all all those Jews, or did he decree from the beginning of time that the rapist was going to rape the child? Does he cause that? And so if we're going to see justice in hell for those things, how, how can God judge that person if they had no choice in the matter?
00:24:06
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And so that's where this total depravity really mean total inability to respond. So if, if I was born from the beginning of time.
00:24:18
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unable to respond to God's goodness me for not responding to his goodness? How could he judge me for not following him, for not putting in him um if I was unable from the beginning of time to make that decision? And so I think that's where, Tony, what you're saying, you know ah maybe the the terminology you should ah word used sounded a little funny.
00:24:48
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As far as that's just a funny word to say, but I guess what I'm understanding is, is God big enough and sovereign enough to allow us to choose?
00:25:03
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And so I've heard that argument made in the debate many times, not tonight, but just in Calvinist versus um that, you know, We have a high enough view of God. you know we're We're limiting our our you know God's power, but i I would see that God having to decree evil and not allowing man to have a free will is actually limiting God. Wouldn't he be powerful enough to and sovereign enough to allow his creation to have a choice? And I think when he allows his creation to have a choice, I think that ultimately puts the responsibility on man for their sin.
Philosophical Implications of Foreknowledge
00:25:40
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I think i I understand that we have the you know the dilemma of the pots and the clays. I'd probably, and again, me not being a scholar, me not being a theologian, I probably would lean more towards that is him using specific means, certain people, allowing hardening and such to fulfill a certain purpose in the same way that we would say that God,
00:26:07
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would allow evil or to to thwart the ultimate plan. You know, he's going to allow Hitler to do what Hitler does, but he's ultimately going to get some glory out of that. He is ultimately going to use that in some way, shape or form to advance his purposes without having to take full credit, without having to say he caused it.
00:26:27
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um I feel like I'm talking in circles now, but does any of that make sense? Jared, back me up.
00:26:35
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Preach, preach.
00:26:39
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yeah So yeah, I mean I guess that that's that's where like the the existence of evil, if God – yeah, I guess would you say – and this is my question for the Calvinist really.
00:26:51
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Would you say that decreeing is the same thing as causing? Because in that sense, God caused Adam to sin in the first place. We wouldn't have sinned if God didn't create Adam to do that. If he planned from before he created Adam that he was going to… disobey in the garden, then i don't see how we have anything outside of just God creating this big theater plan and we're now robots that have no no choice. So that's that's where I probably differ the most.
00:27:21
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So I will say this, and this is, you know, reel me back in if I go off, but i I feel like I want to clarify something that in terms of when I hear people talk about, you know, robots and and free will, like one of the things that I've that I strongly reject is the idea of, of being robots, right? I mean, like, like we all make choices. I understand Calvinists understand that we are all volitional creatures.
00:27:48
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And um i it's just a matter of what do you mean when we all just assume that we are free and I will say, yes, we are free to do whatever our master tells us.
00:28:02
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We are enslaved in one way or another. Right. And, And sin is a slave master that will never allow you to bring glory to God. Right. Romans makes that clear that we are not even able to do so. We are we do not know how to do that. in And Jesus is a is a different kind of slave master in that he allows us to venture back in and, you know, and then draws us back just so that he receives all the more glory. for being gracious to us for rejecting him. And so when I talk about, when when I hear people say, you know, what about free will? I'm just like, yes, we are free to do whatever our master tells us. So if you are enslaved to sin, you are free to do whatever sin wants you, you know, whatever that slave master wants you to do.
00:28:51
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um The only person who I think has ever had the free will in the sense that I've heard it thrown around, I would say is Adam. Right. Like Adam is the only one who I've seen you. I can think of who would have like a a neutral will that is able to choose good or choose evil.
00:29:10
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But Adam being our head. Now we inherit that that curse that is upon him. And so we are and the what shows us that we inherit this curse is that everyone dies.
00:29:24
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right? That's what Romans 5 lays out, is that everyone has died since the prophets on. And so you so in terms of you know us being able to choose good or choose evil, I see Adam as really the only one, and and of course Christ, who is born in this kind of neutral state or a neutral will that can choose good or evil.
00:29:50
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And I think that's part of right That's part of the reason that Jesus needed to be born of not born of Adam is because he was not going to inherit. He was still fully man, but not inherit that curse that was a part of the the sons of Adam.
00:30:08
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right um And so you know when it comes to decreeing, whether you want to use the word cause, no, I don't think God causes minute sense in the in the minute sense of internally tempting and and caught you know and directing people to sin cause in the sense of job where he is saying you are free to do all of this and maybe even brings his attention to job um bring satan's attention to job like yes that is and and that's part of the mystery is okay well what is the difference in definition between those two
00:30:51
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words cause, I don't really know, but I know that I need to understand God and the whole counsel of his word that he's given us and how he's revealed us. And I see him, you know, with Job having incremental ah restraints or lack thereof with Satan saying, okay, well, you know, just don't touch his body. Okay, well, just just don't kill him.
00:31:14
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Right. and And Satan, the evil is is unleashed um in that regard. But, you know, God has decreed. i see God is decreeing everything from beginning to end because we have revelation, the book of revelation, right? Where it says that it's all where we have the whole story, right? From beginning to end, this book contains all of time. And so his decreeing is the same way an author has decreed all things to come to pass. And, and if he hasn't decreed all things to come to pass, I do believe, see an issue with that being – with there not being meaning behind it um or a purpose behind it.
00:31:59
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I don't think God is – allows anything to happen that doesn't have a purpose. That's fine, and I just – I don't necessarily think that foreknowledge necessarily has to mean causation, if that makes sense. You can know something's going to happen without causing it to happen. So God could know, and I follow your your what you're saying as far as you know know a man being in an Adam, Christ being the second Adam. So until you're in Christ, you're you're in the first Adam. So I hear that.
00:32:32
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um you know God knows if you're in Adam, you're going to sin. That's our inherent nature from birth. um But I think just because God knows what we're going to do, which that's probably getting into the deeper perspective.
00:32:47
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Conversation like you talked about with the 10 billion outcomes and such. So I understand that that that's in the there's the whole – I think that's a ah that's that's not in any way, shape, or form what I'm arguing for. But um yeah, that's I don't think foreknowledge has to mean causation I guess is where I'm – Can I ask one one quick yeah follow-up question to that? do you Do you not see – Do you think God's foreknowledge looking, so by foreknowledge, you mean like looking into the future and seeing who will believe and therefore predestining them from that?
00:33:29
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Those you need foreknew, he predestined, that kind of thing. he he He looks ahead and kind of sees what's going to happen. of The book looks, does it mean, I breaking up?
00:33:43
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Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead, Mark, what you were going to Sorry, Nate. the The thing that I had with foreknowledge is just it it makes God, or in my view, it makes God learning something.
00:33:57
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He has to look ahead and see what's going to happen and then make a decision based off of that. And so it kind of makes like the time stone God as ah as opposed to you know Dr. Strange God in that kind of scenario where it's like, okay, he he has to look ahead and see this thing that is somehow... This reality that is somehow outside of his – outside of him and outside of his cause and then say, okay, I'm going to respond and react to that as as opposed to I'm writing the story.
00:34:29
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But doesn't – go ahead, Jared. go ahead gered Well, I was just going to say, I don't agree. i think that God sees all of time as ah all at the same time. He's not looking ahead in the sense that we think of foreknowledge. We live linearly within time, but God sees time all at the same, all the same moment.
00:34:49
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And so him seeing that ah ahead of time is not him learning anything. He knew it. He's known it from eternity past to eternity future. He's always known it.
00:35:00
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He's not learning anything just to have foreknowledge. But Nate is right. Foreknowledge doesn't mean determinism. It doesn't mean that he's deciding in our place. It just means that he knows what is going to happen.
00:35:13
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And that that is why he's able to be sovereign the way that he is, in spite of the fact that he's allowing his creatures free will. He's allowing us to make decisions, and from my view. but But he can still maintain his sovereignty, even still allowing us the freedom to choose things, yes or no. Anyway.
00:35:35
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anyway I have a lot of comments that i'm kind of yeah I'm kind of biting my tongue about because I know we've taken such a long time to discuss this. yeah But it's it's good stuff, and I feel like this is good sharpening, but I kind of feel like maybe our time is being limited a little bit. yeah My last thought, just food for thought here, let's bring some scripture into it, is ah in 1 Samuel 23 when David's asking God if the citizens of Kylo will betray him.
00:36:05
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And God answers they will. Well, we know that they don't kill David, and so I think my understanding of that is that God sees all possible outcomes, and David in that instance inquired of God, and God gave him the answer. Yeah, if you do this, they will. um That will be the outcome.
00:36:22
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That doesn't mean that it happened, and so I think God was able to look into all possibilities there. But again, i don't think that requires him to learn anything.
Conclusion and Listener Engagement
00:36:31
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I think he just knows if things which maybe that's exactly you're arguing against with the dr strange thing i i'll be honest i haven't i have not studied that out you know so that's that's i can't make a solid case against the dr strange thing or not but um it's interesting thought though something for me to look up the something for to look into yeah well listen guys think we're probably about out of time for this episode tonight but um
00:36:55
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I have personally been very blessed. This is the kind of thing that I just love to do. It's like food for my soul. And I hope that our listeners out there have been blessed. But if not, you've just experienced ah the rest of us being blessed because we love to discuss scripture within the context of loving one another in Christ. And ultimately, i think what's great about this is that We are coming from different facets and different viewpoints, but ultimately all of us saying, look to Christ, the author and finisher of our faith. Jesus is the center of it all. He's the purpose of it all. And we just really love one another in in spite of our differing viewpoints on certain points of scripture. So Tony, you've done a great job coming with these questions. I hope maybe we can have some more next episode. Folks, tune in next time. We're going to do a little more. And so we hope to see you then. But for now, you can reach us via email at dads at preacherdad.com. Dads at preacherdad.com. We'd love to hear your questions, your comments, your your ah theological viewpoints. That would be great. You can leave a comment on this video or on this podcast, wherever you're listening. And we would just love to see you next time. If you can give us five stars, if you can give us a like and subscribe, all of that helps our podcast to get heard by other folks. So if you've been blessed, maybe you'd like to let somebody else listen as well. So God bless you all. We'll catch you again next time on Fatherhood Friday. Thank you to this wonderful Fatherhood panel.
00:38:36
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This theological discussion has been a great blessing to me. So we'll see you next time, everybody. Good night.