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Episode 112 - 23 Ds
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This week on the premier comedy roller coaster podcast, Zach and Ben are joined by Jaiman (Zach’s Brother-In-Law) to talk about El Toro at Six Flags Great Adventure, Mr. Freeze Reverse Blast at Six Flags Over Texas and we make our predictions for the upcoming D23 expo!
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Introduction and Podcasting Challenges
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00:00:54
Speaker
I'm Zach, and I am half full about ya. I'm Ben, and I have a 4.20 rating on Uber. I'm Jamin, and I go to Disneyland way too much.
Disneyland Expertise and Events
00:01:11
Speaker
Yo, that's a fact. We try to insert some humor, but Jamin's not on the same tip, apparently. He's just out of your spitting facts about himself.
00:01:32
Speaker
I mean, you're the Disneyland master as far as I'm concerned. That's why this week was the right time to have you on. Because it's an important week. Well, no, next week's the important week for the Disney fans. But I'm going to be taking part in pilgrimage. So we're not going to have a damn show next week. So we've got to go over all the Disney stuff this week.
Patreon Engagements and Support
00:02:02
Speaker
But don't tune out if you're not a Disney person, cause we got a lot of news to cover. El Torre had a fucking accident, we're gonna talk about that. But I'm not getting ahead of ourselves. We gotta proper introduce. Uh, Jamin, you've been on the show before, um, after my wedding. But, I don't know, it's married too. Your sister. So, uh, my brother-in-law. There we go. Boom. Give me a convoluted way to say it.
00:02:30
Speaker
Yeah, we'll be hanging out next week at Disneyland. We'll be hanging out a couple weeks. Disneyland, Universal Studios, Six Flags, Peek Nots, it's gonna be a good time. Absolutely. Absolutely. So, um, yeah. We weren't here last week either, so we definitely got a little bit of news to catch up on.
00:02:57
Speaker
Oh, I guess we were just lazy last week. I don't know. Then did something happen last week or were we just being assholes? Uh, it was just busy. Like, there was no real reason for it, just... Oh, I remember. We did hang out with our Patreon. Folks. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right.
00:03:20
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00:03:44
Speaker
Yeah, no, so we did do that. So, you know, if you're ever missing us for a week, check Patreon. Maybe we're over there. But we're back this week.
El Toro Roller Coaster Incident Analysis
00:03:55
Speaker
And boy, do we have some shit to go over. I mean, right away, I guess let's talk about El Toro. Yeah, that was a pretty seems like a fuck up. Pretty big one. Yeah, it's been a bad year for El Toro. Very sad to see.
00:04:14
Speaker
Yeah, I'm going with the technical term gnarly. The pothole, apparently it really like pulled a son of beast from all the information that I've ascertained. Yeah, yeah, for sure. It was the thing is like, I guess what I haven't heard any clear details on where the pothole was. I heard it was the turn before the Rolling Thunder Hill.
00:04:42
Speaker
And then I've also heard it was before the turnaround. I'm not, I, I would guess it was the, the, that rolling thunder turn just because of how the support structure is. Yeah. I think that's the only thing that hasn't been confirmed is still in speculation is like what exact part of track the pothole was in. Cause I've heard conflicting things personally.
00:05:09
Speaker
Well, there's also the rumors that people were saying that they were like, that they, that the train collided in the station or something too. Which I don't think that's. Sorry, go ahead. Oh, no, no, no, go ahead.
00:05:26
Speaker
I was just going to reference the video that El Toro Ryan put out recently. It was either earlier today or yesterday, but he's basically saying that, yeah, what Ben just said, that it may have, people are saying it may have collided with another train in the station. And he's also saying that wherever the pothole was may have been caused by something in the, like the substructure, like not the big superstructure, but something like on the ground, like something on the ground wasn't maintained properly or, you know, was starting to give up.
00:05:56
Speaker
you know, it's integrity and that caused that pothole and may have caused the accident. But, you know, let's, El Toro Ryan typically knows his stuff. So he may not have a side scoop, but he's usually a very reliable source. Hey, I'll say shout out to El Toro Ryan, friend of the show. And yeah, that video he put out was good. I think that's, you know, almost by definition, a son of beast moment or a son of beast accident.
00:06:27
Speaker
And then interestingly, um, on our discord, which damn shameless plug for the discord, join up y'all it's free. That's some good discussion going on. Um, but I was going to say our buddy Mike, okay. On our discord was speculating about how, if it was substructure, like, you know, you were talking about from, you know, El Toro Ryan's information that it might have something to do with the fact that like,
00:06:58
Speaker
Rolling Thunder was removed cause that could cause changes to the like quality of the ground and the footers and stuff. Right. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Not thought of that angle, but yeah, like that could be issue.
00:07:18
Speaker
Yeah, I read that and I was like, holy shit, I never considered that. But yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Wood coasters require a lot more footers. So you tear them out, it probably does a lot more. Not damage necessarily, but like causes more change to the actual soil and whatever. Do you guys have a bad pothole memory?
00:07:45
Speaker
I'm going to be completely honest. I didn't really know potholes a term until I started watching El Toro Ryan. So in my recollection, just based on the worst wooden coaches I've ridden, I would say probably Cyclone at Magic Mountain back in the day. And maybe even New Texas Giant or, excuse me, Texas Giant before it went before I got refurbed.
00:08:12
Speaker
Um, but that wasn't, that work wasn't part of my lexicon before, uh, like a year or so ago. So I haven't really, really evaluated that in my mind. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything good about either of those two coasters. Yeah. That wouldn't surprise me on either.
Roller Coaster Incidents and Speculation
00:08:31
Speaker
Yeah. And like the experience of a Pajos, basically it's like a, you know, it's like a jackhammer when it like jackhammers down, but also it's so bad that the train that you lunge forward, like the train actually like slows down because it's so bad. Like, um,
00:08:50
Speaker
The only time I've ever experienced it was on Zeus at Mount Olympus because we were there during a bad storm and a tree fell on the track. And on the first bunny hill, like we were riding it and you could actually visibly see the train like drop down and it would like lunge you forward. And then they fucking did some magic construction on it and opened it up like two hours later. That's wild. That tree was trying to get revenge for its brothers.
00:09:25
Speaker
Well, I don't. I'll put it this way. I don't see any universe in which El Toro is gone because of this. Yeah, I agree.
00:09:43
Speaker
It might not reopen this season. Right. No one was seriously injured. So that I mean, that's a pretty big deal. It's not like the train derailed and someone, you know, like it really wasn't that catastrophic of an incident. The train came back to the station. Yeah, there was a couple of minor injuries, but it's not. It's not going to be the end of the ride, so anyone speculating on that
00:10:13
Speaker
Calm your ass down. Plus it's not even, I mean, I know it's technically an accident, but it's also not really an accident. It's like the ride worked as intended. It just was rougher than it should have been. I mean, I don't know about that. If you come back and you bit your tongue and it's bleeding, then it's not exactly working as intended.
00:10:42
Speaker
Yeah. The sun and beach things that, you know, it made it through the course, but there were a whole lot of hurt people in that training when he came back too. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not Mount Olympus. Was that, uh, was that Jean, was that Jean Simmons who did like the bloody tongue thing? Yeah.
00:11:08
Speaker
God of thunder and rock and roll. Yeah. Speaking of six flags for moving rides. Mr. Freeze reverse flat blasted six flags over Texas will close on 9-11. Never forget. That's so bad. Like never forget. But it will be reopening. That's like.
00:11:39
Speaker
It's such a weird day to announce. I mean, Yep. Do you guys think it's going to be re themed or an otherwise like have a major overhaul for it? Maybe they'll turn the trains back around forward or
00:12:02
Speaker
Actually, you know what? That doesn't make any sense. I was going to say something about it in valleying, but the only one that values is the one in St. Louis. So that doesn't apply for the one in, uh, over Texas. So nevermind my little quip. Yeah. I don't know what they really could do to it. Um, it just seems weird that they would close it just for a re-theme when you could do that over the off season.
00:12:24
Speaker
I do wonder if it has to do with the whole power grid situation, like they're getting pressed by some organization for having a ride that drains so much power. Yeah, Texas is known for having a pretty jacked up power grid right now, so honestly, that might not necessarily be a bad speculation.
00:12:44
Speaker
you know, like Texas can't keep the lights on during the winter. So if they're having trouble with the summer too, you know, they, everyone's run their AC at, you know, a hundred percent. And, you know, of course, Mr. Freeze is taking up ungodly amounts of power for each launch. You know, who knows? Maybe that, maybe that could be a, it's maybe just like a, like an indefinite hiatus, but they don't want to say that, you know?
00:13:05
Speaker
They're like, yeah, every time Mr. Freeze launches, the air conditioning goes off and all the adjacent rides stations. You know, like flicker in the park too, because, you know, it's a Mr. Freeze's, you know, ice factory or whatever. So they have to have the AC run like crazy in there as well. Yeah, I mean, I almost wonder if if there may be.
00:13:31
Speaker
they're 50 50 and whether or not they can keep it open. So it's just easier for them to say it's closed. And then if they're allowed to open it, like, Oh, surprise, we repainted it or turned it into the flash or something. I don't think over Texas has a flash, do they? Yeah. So maybe they're getting the flash treatment.
00:13:55
Speaker
Or, uh, I mean, that would be, they could, but like, the only thing is like, it's got all that theming already, which is a real rarity for six flags rides. Maybe they're just going to remove the, uh, like the queue building. So they don't have to run AC. So they're just going to put the queue line outside.
00:14:22
Speaker
And it'll just be like, the really cold flash. Really cold flash. Maybe they could even like flash and reverse flash. I mean, so like, you know, your, your flash going forward, and when you come back, it was your reverse flash. Now I'm not a huge comic book fan, but I mean, if they want to have a little bit of like, more DC synergy, like that could be an idea.
00:14:48
Speaker
As long as Ezra Miller's not involved, like, cause that guy needs to just fuck off. Yeah. Or they, they just add a break, like a break run between the spike and the overbank and you just stop and then get off. And the next cycle starts from there. The new people they're going to switch it. So instead of being limbs, it's got booster tires throughout the entire course.
00:15:18
Speaker
Yeah, it'll look like when you do that, no limits. When you accidentally change this track section to all lift. Yep. And so you'll just go through the whole thing at like eight miles an hour. Well, that's okay. I wonder if they could do that though. I mean, I wonder if they could add limbs to the approach of the spike instead of putting it on the spike. I mean, that was a dumb design idea. Like whoever came up with that,
00:15:48
Speaker
I mean, it's a cool concept, but like, you know, I think it's kind of a cool sensation when you're up there and you're getting like, you know, force up a little higher. Yeah. But just for like design and maintenance and operation, it's like, yeah, let's put these super complex electronic motor is 150 feet off the ground where you can't access them without like climbing a ladder. And if the train doesn't catch them properly, it's guaranteed to Valley. Yeah.
00:16:17
Speaker
Is that really like, imagine testing that shit. Like we were like the first, you know, 20 cycles. It's going to, it's not going to catch properly. You're just like, ah, fuck. Like back to reprogramming all the limbs again. But is that, is that a true though? That, um, if, if the, uh, magnets don't catch correctly and go on the way on this by going up, we'll have Valley. It won't have enough speed to get back. Yeah. Okay.
00:16:44
Speaker
That is, uh, that is the thesis statement of the very first problematic roller coasters video. Oh, snaps. I need to go back and watch that then. Yeah. Uh, that was the main reason it's problematic is because it's so prone to valuing. Hmm. Yep. Just as a St. Louis six flag St. Louis. Yeah.
00:17:07
Speaker
Um, holy shit. Y'all, um, Santa's village in New Hampshire, not here in Illinois, where I am, uh, an employee fell off a roller coaster platform.
Theme Parks and Workplace Safety
00:17:22
Speaker
Does it say how tall it was? I am very professional. So I didn't even look. Yeah. I'm a little slow. It's like six to eight feet.
00:17:37
Speaker
Yeah, yes, that's it's a pretty sizable fall. Unfortunately, subtext basically is like somebody's dad got hurt at work. I mean. Yeah, yeah, he was 51. It's still sad that happened, of course, like, oh, absolutely, I'm. I'm not trying to lessen the sadness, I'm just trying to get a joke in, you know.
00:18:07
Speaker
I mean, the only way I could see that happening is if you fell on his head. Depends on the injury. Yeah, he's 51. I mean, you know, think about it. If you're like 51 and you've been like overweight and like he's a mechanic, so he might like drink or smoke.
00:18:37
Speaker
you're probably gonna be a little more frail. That's true. Six to eight foot fall. That could be like, I'm getting an image in my head of that, uh, psycho Sid, Sid, vicious, Sid in WCW, jumping off the top rope and then snapping his ankle when he lands. Oh yeah.
00:19:05
Speaker
Was that like back in the 90s or early 2000s? Yeah. My wrestling knowledge has like pretty much just left my mind. I haven't watched wrestling in like decades, literally. But when you said WCW, that like ring a bell in my head, I'm like, oh, I used to watch that a little bit when I was, you know, pre-teens and whatnot. Yeah, man, Sid fucking one time in WCW, you know, he's like a six foot seven dude.
00:19:34
Speaker
big, muscly guy couldn't talk for shit, though. But they like wanted him to do top rope shit in WCW, and he was like, I'm not comfortable. And they're like, do it anyway. So he goes on pay-per-view on camera, does a kick from the top rope like a like a modified super kick. So he lands on one foot with one foot kicking.
00:20:01
Speaker
And the foot he landed, he lands on his left foot and his ankle just immediately snaps.
00:20:08
Speaker
So like he ends up like his body is on the floor, but his foot's still on the floor. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yep. That's a. Sounds like a bad time. Was it played up? Was it played up at all into the scene or did the scene stop? No, no, I think they stopped the match because like. He's out there, but he can't seem to walk.
00:20:40
Speaker
That's fantastic. And terrible, very terrible. Oh, man. But I would say, you know, Jamie, if you haven't seen it, do. It's easy to find on the internet. I'm sure I'm very sure you find that probably right now if I wanted, but since I'm recording, I will refrain. That's kind of what I pictured when you said six to eight foot fall. Yeah.
00:21:05
Speaker
and fell onto his feet off of his ankle, full weight on your leg. Just crack. Well, I'll just search for wrestling ankle snap. And there's so many videos. What was his name? Can't Ken Shamrock. Oh, God, no. He had a sick ankle lock. No, his name was Sid. Oh. I have wrestling is such a foreign world.
00:21:37
Speaker
I know I'm on an island here. This is WWE. No, it's WCW. OK, this is going to make for you find it. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, it is really gnarly. You all enjoy that, listeners.
00:22:05
Speaker
I feel like, I feel like the boots he was wearing probably made it like worse. Possibly, but it could have also like kept it together until a doctor could look at it. I mean, I don't really know. God, imagine cutting that shit off. I think wrestling boots are like really as thin as like they're made of like vinyl or whatever. They're like real thin, you know?
00:22:32
Speaker
I just remember when I broke my leg scheme, the worst part of it was trying to get a ski boot off. Cause the thing is any movement, any pressure, any pulling, you know, triggers the most insane pain and a ski boots super, super tight. And like, God, that was so bad. They had to inject a morphine. And so basically it was like passed out and then they did it. Oh Lord.
00:22:59
Speaker
Yeah. I've been lucky enough not to break any bones so far in my life. So I kind of hope I keep that streak. How painful it must be to have it happen to yourself. I mean, Jamin, if you do it, make sure you're on Disney property. I mean, I could probably make that happen. Like I spend enough time there, you know?
00:23:26
Speaker
If something bad is going to happen at Disney property on Disney property. That's all I'm saying.
Legacy of The Ultimate Roller Coaster
00:23:34
Speaker
That should take care of. Slip and fall, man. God damn it, I got some sad news. Longest roller coaster in the world is closed. I saw a lot of people were sad about this, but I also only ever heard people talk shit about this ride.
00:23:59
Speaker
Well, here's what I'll say. I definitely get that sentiment, too. I'm I'm sorry I missed it, but I don't feel terrible. It's a bummer when any coaster closes and also. Sorry, all y'all who were participating in the coaster death pool 2022. Because nobody called the ultimate at Lightwater Valley, so.
00:24:29
Speaker
That's a point that's just suspended in purgatory. Nobody gets that one. Womp womp. Yeah, well, you know, all right. You know what, gents, let's have a drink for the ultimate. Cheers. Cheers. There we go. Cheers. Now, in some better news, and since we're all drinking, the Adventure Dome at Circus Circus is going to get three new rides.
00:25:00
Speaker
I don't think so. There was some talk on screen scape about them replacing the chance chaos with a newer model of a chaos. A newer chaos. What would that look like? Has there been any concept work for that yet? Not sure.
00:25:25
Speaker
Yeah, I was going to check that out. That's cool. New. There are very, very, very few like flat rides that I'll do and chaos is not one of them. Chaos in the zipper is like I will stay far away from. They look like fun and I, you know, I might have a good time, but I just know it's not happening. I want to try a chaos, but there's just like none left anymore. And that was a big thing when open to the amateur dome, like.
00:25:54
Speaker
people are going crazy for that thing. And I'm like, yeah, it looks fun, but I'm going to stay over here. You guys go ahead and have, go ahead and have fun. Yeah. That's, I love that ride. It's a, it's pretty, it's actually pretty, it's a pretty gentle ride. No, it is. It's not, it's not that intense. It's really not an intense ride. It looks deceiving, but it's a very moderate chill ride.
00:26:21
Speaker
My thing with a lot of fly rides like that is like, you know, I can get claustrophobic and on like most coasters, you know, I can put that feeling away. Like if I'm stopped for an X amount of time, but I feel like a ride like that, like those seats are very, very, very small and you're very, very, very restricted. So I think having a, you know, if there was a stoppage or something, I probably would not have a very good time.
00:26:49
Speaker
And I can just kind of leave it at that. I mean, I think it's designed to just kind of go back down. I don't I don't think on the chaos, has he ever really end up upside down either? Oh, yeah, it's true. But like, for me, it's just like the how small those seats are and everything, you know?
00:27:15
Speaker
That's true, but I think you and Ben are about the same body proportions. I think we're about the same height. I think he has a few inches on me in height wise, but I'm much larger, much wider. I'll just say it's been a long pandemic and I haven't done too much to keep myself super in shape, so. Or I miss the last time is less we're talking about. Oh, we were just talking about how we're both kind of tall, but I'm much fatter than you.
00:27:47
Speaker
Oh, gotcha. I know I was because I thought you were we were discussing that we're trying to figure out who is taller. I don't know. I'm like just under six six. Oh, yeah. I'm only say I'm six two. You're much taller than I am. Yeah. Which I don't envy, by the way, because, you know, even at six two, I have trouble fitting on some rides just as length. So I'm sure it's a little harder for you.
00:28:14
Speaker
Oh, I've had some terrible experiences where I've, it's like, I feel I can pretty much fit on any ride. However, the risk of feeling like I'm going to break a leg or fuck up a knee is.
00:28:29
Speaker
That's me every time I ride an RMC, because those those shin guards, I'm like, if we hit something, my shins going to snap in half because the shin guards just kill me. And I wish they would stop that shit because rides like Velocicoaster and what else? Other like intimates that have the the over the shoulder or the
00:28:53
Speaker
You can have those extreme maneuvers and still have decent restraints that are more size inclusive and safe. But RMC is like, now we're going to get you
00:29:06
Speaker
right at the top of your, right in the middle part of your thighs. We're going to push in guards on you and we're going to cram you into that seat. And if you're a few millimeters off, like you're out of luck. I'm like, thanks guys. Appreciate that. So I'm just saying RMC, your trains are cool and all, but you can do better than that. Yeah. Imagine, imagine two trains colliding, being stuck in that, like pinned in that position.
00:29:32
Speaker
I mean, it kind of takes me back to the whole smiler thing, you know, like someone, I think when the second train collided with the one in front of it, like the person in front, like had their legs, like basically chopped or chopped off or something or broken horribly. And like, yeah, like I understand it with, you know, a higher speed crash like that, but like on a lower speed crash with someone like us with long legs and those shin guards, like the exact same thing could happen. Yeah. Yeah. So I love the RMC, but you can do better than that.
00:30:01
Speaker
Well, yo, I mean, upside, fast pass for life. Fast pass for life. At what cost of those, Zach? At what cost? Yeah, I think if I was ever in a roller coaster accident, I would be the one guy who would be like demanding unlimited, like a lifetime season pass or something.
00:30:30
Speaker
Oh, yeah. No, me too. Not just that. You also get the greatest drinking story of all time. Oh, yeah. Oh, fuck you. I lost my leg on a roller coaster. Want to know how I got these scars on a slow speed collision on a roller coaster.
00:30:55
Speaker
We're coming with the last brake run, right? But the brakes slipped and we went through and just nailed the car in front of us, the station. Yeah, we're going about five miles per hour. But man, my legs just snapped. Oh, that's terrible.
00:31:15
Speaker
Well, anyways, that was kind of a little a little bit of a morbid tangent there. I'm talking about adventure dome. Yeah, I mean, what what more is there to say about the adventure dome?
00:31:29
Speaker
I mean, I would like to, I mean, I know that last time we went, it was like, what, 40 bucks for like an all day pass or something like that. And at that point we didn't want to spend that, but it's been long enough that I, that I've been to a bunch of them that I think I would like to do like a full day or like a full ride past there again. And just like, you know, experience, you know, a loco and hanging a blaster and anything else there, you know, like it's, it's a little expensive, but I think, uh,
00:31:56
Speaker
I think we can definitely make some plans off air. Absolutely. Absolutely. That seems rather doable. Indeed. Let's see. Revenge of the Mummy has reopened at Universal Studios Florida. I wanted to talk a little more about that, but it's tough without my cup of coffee.
00:32:26
Speaker
So down there, Brendan. We can we can get you some coffee. Okay, it's cool. It's cool, man. It's cool. I didn't have a better joke for that one. So I just commit, you know, just go for it. Commit to the band. Do you get the joke? I don't. Cool. Moving on. Why what's the joke? At the end of the ride, Brendan Fraser pops up and he's like,
00:32:54
Speaker
You know, oh, welcome back. And now you can get off the ride and I need to get my cup of coffee and like the mummy hands him a cup of coffee from off screen. Yeah, like during the queue, like there's like video screens playing around the queue. He's talking about he's like doing some like behind the scenes stuff, Brendan Fraser. And like one of his requests is like one of the stage hands again on coffee. So like the whole queue, like
00:33:22
Speaker
builds up this joke that finally pays off at the end of the ride. That's basically kind of how it goes. But as we all know, like they kept Brendan Fraser for the the refurb. So looks like our boy is here to stay, at least for now, because everyone loves Brendan Fraser and they should because he's awesome.
Brendan Fraser and Theme Park Memes
00:33:40
Speaker
And the movie, the movie movies are awesome, both the first two at least. Why is he so polarizing? With the fans from the past.
00:33:52
Speaker
But, um, basically he got assaulted by some Hollywood big wig back in like the 2000 or something like that. And, um, he called them out. Um, and that basically got him blacklisted from Hollywood for like 10 years. So if you use things for a long time, that's basically why I thought it was just his participation in the movie. Blast from, from the past. The movie also had Christopher Watkins.
00:34:22
Speaker
Christopher Walken, God. My favorite, my favorite Brendan Fraser meme is the one where it's like that signed photograph at the restaurant. And it's just, it just says like, I like the steak. It was my favorite part. I was in the mummy. That's fantastic.
00:34:51
Speaker
Honestly, I think if it was a little more mainstream, the whole cup of coffee thing would have made a great meme. Can somebody do that? Can one of our listeners make a meme out of the cup of coffee scene? Are you sure it's not already? I think that could be adaptable to many situations. It doesn't have to be a cup of coffee. I think it's already kind of a meme in the roller coaster theme park people, but it's not like a mainstream meme.
00:35:20
Speaker
You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying. We need to repurpose that shit to make it more general. I see what you're saying. I don't know. Listeners, somebody go ahead.
00:35:35
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Somebody knows how to use Peashop and has a sense of humor. Speaking of listeners, we got some correspondence. Trevor from Australia sent us some info in regards to our conversation about like motion simulator rides. He mentioned one here.
00:36:08
Speaker
That's narrated by Harry Shearer. Who's that? Our buddy Trevor from Australia. No, no, no. Who narrated the guy narrating? Harry Shearer. He does voices on The Simpsons. Oh, okay.
00:36:29
Speaker
Now, I've never heard of any of these like films he recommended. So I'm not sure if it's from it's because he's from Australia and they got different films there or because Trevor is like a big like motion simulator film ride.
00:36:49
Speaker
nerd. But either way, always appreciate you sending shit in Trev. Keep it up. We'll take a look at these films. And he wants us to do commentary on the one with Harry Shearer. So I'll take a look at it. And maybe we'll put that on in the next episode or something. So what right did he narrate? Does this say he sent a YouTube link? It's, it's here in the rundown.
00:37:21
Speaker
It's. Oh, I see. Throw ride the science of fun. Oh, this is a documentary. I think I remember this from like the late 90s or early 2000s. Yeah, I think it's one of the old travel channel slash discovery. Rollercoaster thrill park shows.
00:37:46
Speaker
Yeah, that's right. We started watching again on YouTube because they are just very nostalgic and very fun. Wasn't didn't they show this in the pictorium? Not this exactly, I don't think, but possibly, but it seems a little long. But it does say it's an IMAX. Because I thought I remember seeing something like this in the pictorium, but
00:38:17
Speaker
I guess, yeah, it's got about a 40 minute runtime. Well, yeah, you know what? With a 40 minute runtime, this will make a good episode. We will do that either next week or the week after. Not next week, next episode or the one after. We'll mark it down because that'll be fun. So thanks for sending that in, Trevor. Let's see, we got some listener questions.
00:38:46
Speaker
ribs and bacon asks, uh, so are you optimistic or pessimistic about great America's future with the change in corporate structure?
Six Flags and Theme Park Business Speculations
00:39:00
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I guess what is, what is the structure change? Well, their new CEO at six flags is kind of a shithead. Very much so. He seems to be like,
00:39:16
Speaker
wanting to make changes that are like cash motivated but don't have like necessarily the right kind of like data to back them up. Yeah, basically he wants you to pay more for essentially getting less or not getting more from the Six Flags franchise. Yeah, it sounds like there's probably a bunch of
00:39:45
Speaker
like NBA interns in a room making PowerPoints, doing market research on like random shit that they spend money on. It's like, hey, let's cut this by 30%. It's like, that's like for water fountains in the park. It's like, well, they'll drink anyway, right? They'll just buy soda. Yeah, I mean, I think one big thing is
00:40:14
Speaker
Obviously, they're trying to cut labor. But I think they've done so now to the point where it's not gonna have a positive effect on profits, because they're cutting into like operational hours and shit and like full on. I'm sorry, I still haven't let go of the fact that they're not bringing back goddamn holiday in the park here at Great America. It's a bummer. That was really fun last year.
00:40:43
Speaker
Right? It was really fun. And then that's not something I normally would have done either at any Six Flags park. So it was pretty cool to experience that. That's what I'm saying. You were in town and normally under any circumstances at that time of the year, we'd never go to Six Flags. Exactly. But it was like, oh no, hell yeah, let's go do it.
00:41:12
Speaker
Do a cheeky little drive-thru with six flags. And I mean... I don't know. We went a couple times too. Aside from that, I remember we went through the walk-through one a couple times. We bought fucking sweaters, hats, hot chocolate, coffee. Mm-hmm.
00:41:38
Speaker
Like, yeah, it kind of goes back to the whole like, um, like with the memberships, I know that I think they, you said they brought that back. Like there's memberships that thankfully back the people that come to the parks the most often aren't spending enough money. And that's very, very, very not true. That's true for six flags, true for Disney. You know, I can't really, I'm sure it's pretty much the same for, um, Cedar fair parks, but
00:42:01
Speaker
You know, we, we, the people, we come the most often and we, we come when everything's new, you know, we come from new merch, we come from new food. Um, so then saying, so it's just because we're not paying that, what's it normally like 50, 60 bucks to get into a park on any one single visit, just cause we're not paying that every single time. Doesn't mean you're not spending money. Like.
00:42:22
Speaker
they always quite seem to overlook that, you know, even going back to like the Disney financial call that happened a few weeks ago. And of course the whole debacle with the six flags, um, CEO saying he wants a quote unquote better clientele, which is, you know, just a dog with dog was for saying he wants more white people in the park to spend more money. Um, we spend money as pass holders, as members, we spend money in your park. So don't buy the Hana feeds because if you buy it too hard, we'll leave and you'll lose all your money.
00:42:59
Speaker
Sorry for that little tangent. No, I mean, I think you're right, but unfortunately. Or I'm just going to get fucked until then. Yeah, I mean, I think it's going to take whenever this recession kicks in, I think a lot of parks will have to kind of. It's almost like they're cutting costs before.
00:43:22
Speaker
there is a real reduction in guests. So it's almost like they're really shooting themselves in the foot because probably in the next year or so, I mean, their, their visitations are going to drop off. Well, I think it depends on the parks you're talking about because
00:43:45
Speaker
just going off a historical precedent remember like oh eight through like 2010 2011 like when the great fucking recession was really in big effect parts like Disney and Universal were hit really hard but like Six Flags Cedar Fair were doing
00:44:14
Speaker
like better because more people were choosing to take their vacation budgets and go locally. Right. Although I felt like oh nine definitely hit the definitely hit the industry because that was I mean, I remember every park we went to and oh nine, everything was walk on like from like when we were in California and oh nine, the parks are pretty dead.
00:44:43
Speaker
When Eric and I did that trip, the parks were dead. We went to like Worlds of Fun and Six Flags St. Louis. I guess I remember being I remember 2009 being my favorite year for roller coasters. But I also think that was just because the parks were all dead. Well, yeah, I mean, tough economy is going to be tough for everybody. I'm just saying that like the regional parks fared better than your Disney's and Universal's.
00:45:14
Speaker
in that tough economy time, you know? But I am still gonna stick firmly by my prediction from whenever we fucking started this podcast.
Future of Theme Parks and Acquisitions
00:45:28
Speaker
Actually, Ben, you know, the next episode we do is gonna be our third anniversary special.
00:45:36
Speaker
Yeah, I know. So we'll have to think about something to do. Anyway, three years ago when we started, I remember saying I don't think that Six Flags, Cedar Fair and SeaWorld as a company like Seize would all three make it out of the 2020s. I don't know who would acquire who or whatnot, but I just don't see all three of them making it to 2030.
00:46:07
Speaker
Yeah, it's weird because I can see that, but I also can envision, like I don't think Six Fly is over by Cedar Fair or vice versa. Right? Like it seems like there are two, it's almost like it would be like Microsoft buying Apple or Apple buying Microsoft. They've developed their own ecosystem and they're so like separate at this point, but they're both very successful. SeaWorld though,
00:46:35
Speaker
I think either one of them would snatch the other one up. It's just that neither one of them would ever get approved to take on that much debt. Yeah. I could see, um, I mean, the only thing I could really see is either like Disney or universal buy-in scenes. Honestly, I could see Cedar fair.
00:47:03
Speaker
Or maybe six flags, but more likely Cedar Fair buying C's. Yeah. Or do that. Yeah, like buying them as a company, then maybe selling off the Orlando property. Because I just don't. Hey, I don't see Cedar Fair.
00:47:31
Speaker
wanting to compete in Orlando. Really, why so? How so? Just that there's too much down there already. What would what would what could they possibly do to set apart their park in Orlando? Like. They got lucky with Knott's Berry Farm because they bought it and it already was a good functioning play, like I guess. But the thing is, they couldn't really keep
00:48:02
Speaker
SeaWorld the same without having some sort of animals. And I don't really see them getting into animals. No, that's fair. I mean, they have a couple dozen parks right now, Cedar Fair, and no animals, I believe, in any of them, or like no like large animal presence. Like maybe have like some bird cages here and there, but nothing like even Discover Kingdom.
00:48:31
Speaker
their portfolio is their legacy parks you know Cedar Point Valley Fair World's a fun Dornie. Shit is that it? Those are the legacy ones right Ben? Yeah I think that's it. Right and then they acquired Paramount no six so they got Canada's Wonderland, Great America, Carowinds, Kings Island
00:49:02
Speaker
Dominion. Yeah, Kings Dominion. And operations of Gilroy Gardens. Which I think they may be done with. Unclear. But yeah, I don't really see them stepping into that, like, so I guess they could take SeaWorld Orlando and try to make it
00:49:32
Speaker
like. Get a Cedar Fair Park in the way that Nazis, but. I don't see it being able to compete. But Busch Gardens, on the other hand, I think Busch Gardens Tampa, that would be their little baby down there.
00:49:56
Speaker
because that park is huge with all the land in the world to expand. They've already got a big collection of roller coasters like. Honestly, I think they could lean into marketing that as being like Central Florida's roller coaster capital and really fucking give Universal a run for their money for that market. I think Fun Spot should buy it. Fun Spot, could they afford that?
00:50:29
Speaker
I think FunSpot's trying to expand aggressively. I don't know if they would get approved for the debt of SeaWorld, but I don't think it's a terribly far off prediction. Give them a decade, you know? I think before they expand, they should probably retrack Mindblower first. Because that's a great ride that just needs a whole lot of work.
00:50:58
Speaker
That ride was so good the first time I went on it, but it was such shit the second time I went on it. Yeah. I can definitely see the potential. Like we wrote it. We wrote it about a year ago, so I can definitely see the potential and how it could be like a really great coaster, but it just needs a lot of work. A lot of track work. So fun spot. Get on that, please. Yeah.
00:51:21
Speaker
Well, let's see. Don Helbigfan asks, did either of you work at a park slash parks? If so, what's your craziest GP story you got? Let's think here. Well, yeah, I worked at a park. Great America. Ben, you worked at Cedar Point. Jayman, you ever work at a park? I have not, unfortunately.
00:51:47
Speaker
I've always wanted to, though. I've never been like close enough to a park that I want to work at, you know, living wise. There was a small park in Pam City Beach that was like never open. And I'm like, I don't want to work there. So, yeah, I haven't I've not had that experience, fortunately. And you got any good guest experience stories from working at Cedar Point? Yeah, one was. Oh, God damn it.
00:52:18
Speaker
I remember I was like on break when I was working in challenge park and these guests came over and they were like, Hey, uh, where's be, how do we get the behemoth?
00:52:30
Speaker
And I was like behemoth and I thought it was maybe like some food stall I never heard of or something, like a hotel thing. And I was like, uh, I don't know. And they had the map out and they looked at the map. It was a fucking Canada's Wonderland map. So now if it was now, if this was in the age of tick tock, I would have assumed it was it was like trying to be like some, you know, tick tock prank or something. But.
00:52:57
Speaker
I don't know, like these people just it seemed legitimate. Like this was like I didn't get the sense that they were like trying to play a prank. But where but still, where did the Canada's Wonderland map come from? I have no idea. Oh, that's a pretty good one. How about you like what you got?
00:53:27
Speaker
Um, Lord. Well, I mean, when I worked as a fright fest character, there was definitely this one time where this like, I, I scared this girl and then like her boyfriend got all tough and like started like trying to come up to me like he was going to hit me or something.
00:53:58
Speaker
So I like kind of walk. I knew like where my security escort was. So I like walked in that direction and he's like talking mad shit and security saw it and like right before he came at me, like intercepted him. Nice. It was like perfect timing. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, that was that was fun.
00:54:26
Speaker
Coaster Cuzzies homies ask you boys like little America. That's fine. I guess it's I've never been there for more than maybe 45 minutes. Yeah, it's a cute park. I remember you go there and you go to Culver's and that's that's that. Yeah.
00:54:51
Speaker
I do remember getting really excited that there was an amusement park in Wisconsin. When I saw it, like when I saw the ad for it, it was like, holy shit, there's roller coasters in the state. Um, didn't realize it was basically a carnival, like a permanent carnival.
00:55:14
Speaker
I also wondered if Little America was like a, as like a naming ripoff of, of like great America. They're only like 45 minutes apart. It's because the guy's name is Merrick. Oh, that's right. That's right. His name, the guy who owns the park, his name is Lee Merrick, which is why it's spelled that way.
00:55:42
Speaker
I always wonder why I was about that. I was kind of weird. That makes sense. But now I know, even though I like Ben's story better, but, you know, whatever, you can't really change the actual truth. And like, I remember they got that, um, whatever the fuck the name of the coaster is, like the junior wooden coaster.
00:56:04
Speaker
That's right. Meteor. Meteor. That's it. And like they needed help from Acer to construct it. That's right. Yeah. Like they framed it as like, oh, this is an exciting opportunity. But then like everybody I talked to went to it was like, no, no, no, we like had to really do shit. Well, I mean, what do you expect?
00:56:30
Speaker
Well, no, I'm not saying that you shouldn't, it's not a coaster event. I know, but like at the same time, like maybe higher insured and bonded licensed construction workers to build the roller coaster. Maybe they're had all the aces. Like it's like, yeah, like just pull out all the, all the nails out of this, out of this wood right here.
00:57:00
Speaker
They'll, yeah, use your teeth. We can't give you actual tools, so just use your hands the best you can. They're like, who here is vaccinated for tetanus? Nobody raises their hand. They're like, um, okay. Just wear some gloves. You'll be fine. It's like, hey, can we, it's like, hey, we need a couple of hammers and it's like, oh yeah, there's a hammer in the truck. Let me go get it. It's like that just one.
00:57:28
Speaker
We're gonna need all of you to sign 15 waivers before you start. What's this one for? Well, that's in case the ride catches fire and you die. Ah, okay. What's this one for? That one's in case a grand piano gets dropped on you like Looney Tunes. The fuck? Why would there be a grand piano?
00:57:57
Speaker
Dynamic Thrills, homeboy. He asks, Coasters, better forwards or backwards? Forwards and you're a goddamn monster for suggesting otherwise. Uh. I like backwards, like Batman, backwards, that was the shit. Oh, go to hell. Batman backwards is insane. That ride's already crazy, you know.
00:58:25
Speaker
Yeah. That was, that was a wild experience that I don't think will happen again. That was, that was great. Yeah. I think the last time I wrote a Batman backwards was like 2015, I think. And that was at great adventure. Six Flags Great Adventure. And I knew going into it was going to be insane. So I just had to prepare for that. But, uh, luckily me and Laura both came out alive. So it wasn't too insane then, but I probably wouldn't do it again.
00:58:57
Speaker
That was absolutely a fucking madness. Yeah, those old school, like no holds barred a B&Ms, but backwards, like, no, I'm cool. I'm cool on that. I don't know why we can't get a backwards hyper here in America, though that I would want to try. Yeah, that'd be pretty cool.
00:59:25
Speaker
Uh, the being in Japan, uh, universal studios, Japan. Yes. Yeah. I can't think of the name right now, but I know it's like, I would dream. There you go. Yeah. Uh, yeah. Give me backwards raging bull or nitro or Mako or fucking Apollo's chariot. Hell yeah. Yeah. I think the only reason they wouldn't do that was just because they wouldn't have anywhere else to put it. You spend all the money on chassis and then
00:59:55
Speaker
Um, you know, you can't really put them anywhere else. But if they bought two, that's enough for great adventure and great America, which are the only two B and M hypers in the chain. I guess La Ron, but you know, fuck around. So the, um,
01:00:20
Speaker
trying to think of, uh, I think, uh, what was that? Like Ruger, I feel like they could do that backwards. That would probably not be quite as intense as the Batman inverts, but it's, it could still be pretty nuts going backwards, doing all that, all those maneuvers. Hear me out on this backwards.
01:00:51
Speaker
Tatsu. No, absolutely not. Yeah. Yeah. The pretzel loop would be cool because you would like, it almost be, it almost have the sensation of a drop tower when you dive down into the pretzel loop, especially if you're in the back on that, that'd be so insane.
01:01:16
Speaker
That would be the probably one of the wildest coastal experiences of all time, I think. A flying coaster, but backwards like. It's hard to even like imagine how that would feel, you know, like doing, you know, the other maneuvers and stuff because. That'd be so good. Yeah, I would be down for that. Our buddy Ganon Rafferty asks,
01:01:42
Speaker
What's the best coaster of 2022 and why is it daddy pig? I mean, I have not written in 2021, but I guess I'm wrong. Wasn't it in spring? I thought it was, I guess you're right. Because I remember I had all my friends vote. It got announced last year, but yeah.
01:02:15
Speaker
Yeah. I had all my friends vote for vote on it. I don't know, Dana. And why is it daddy pig? It's just the name. He's like, I'll never tell just that good. Go write it. Daddy. Daddy pig. Okay. We got a would you rather for the first time in a while.
01:02:41
Speaker
See y'all ready for a classic YFCSWIR? Do it up. Good.
Amusing 'Would You Rather' Coaster Scenarios
01:02:51
Speaker
So would you rather yeet Top Thrill Dragster and replace it with another wild mouse or yeet El Toro for Zamperella Disco?
01:03:09
Speaker
That's a, it's pretty a pretty intense question there. Is it any coincidence that both Intamin's and they're both having like a lot of mechanical issues going on right now? I think that's the basis for the question. Fair enough. I think I'm going to say fuck out of here with dragster.
01:03:35
Speaker
I would have to agree. Well, I think I like Dragster more than I like Kingda Ka. You know, we still have Kingda Ka, but we don't have another coaster like El Toro. Necessarily, you know, in the U.S., like, yeah, I guess we'll make the coast for make the case for Phoenix, which I haven't ridden yet or like maybe even like Shivering Timbers. But I can't comment on those because I haven't ridden those. So I must stick with my boy El Toro.
01:04:07
Speaker
I wonder what would have the funniest reaction. I think seeing as how there's there's all those like save dragster like groups on Facebook, like obviously they would go into a meltdown. So that'd be pretty funny to watch. I'm not going to lie. I mean, it's cool if you like have an affinity for a ride or whatever, but like if you take it too far, like you just become annoying. So.
01:04:34
Speaker
At that point for me, it'd be kind of cathartic, just seeing like people melt down, built down for like no reason. You know, I thought of a whole nother reason. I'm going with the wild mouse. And that's because a park with two wild mouse coasters can work. It was my that way at my home park for a while. Yeah, that was always kind of weird. It was like a while. It was.
01:05:04
Speaker
but it can work, you know, but, uh, like something like a little better and different or just like a traditional off the, off the assembly line, wild mouse. Well, I guess in this question, even in early specs, uh, specify, he just said another wild mouse.
01:05:32
Speaker
So it could be like Great America had where it's like a spinning one and like a mock one. Or they can do like Animal Kingdom and have just two spinning ones right next to each other. That way they have more wildmouses in one part. Think about that. It's terrible. Well, if they made if they made the two wildmouses Mobius, they could put them in at Magic Mountain.
01:06:03
Speaker
Then you'd have basically three mobius coasters there. That'd be pretty sick. Not gonna lie. Yeah, that mobius thing is so funny to me. Although, at least for the, what the hell, the racer coaster is not one basically forced to duel.
01:06:24
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, it's horse a duel via the train. That's in the second station. If you want to call that, we'll wait for the other top. The pit stop. Yeah. Were they super of your car and make it better? Yeah, yeah, that's that's a force tool. Can they run that with one train, though? I haven't seen it with one train, but I think even on when I used to go.
01:06:48
Speaker
like some mornings for Magic Mountain. There was always a long enough line that they could run at least two trains, but they always had at least three or four trains going. No, I think that station's programmed. So they clicked the box that said synchronize with other stations. So it'll only work if you have more than one train. I love that joke.
01:07:17
Speaker
I haven't played that in a long time, but I still love that joke. I still, yeah, though the phone version is pretty good. I haven't tried it. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's basically the actual game. Um, it's not like the, you know, the, it's not watered down at all. Interesting.
01:07:42
Speaker
I just wouldn't play on the tiny little screen, but yeah, I can see how, you know, if you need to get your fix, you can do it on your cell phone. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Like that was my, that, that saved my life when I was flying all the time. Cause then I would just build, like I would just, I had like school of like trying to beat the whole, like play every scenario. And then I watched those Marcel Voss videos and suddenly I was like beating every single level. And now it's like loss. It's fun.
01:08:13
Speaker
Yeah. Oh yeah. I'll just build like 10 mini coasters and suddenly you win. Yep. You're like, I can just build a launched a corkscrew coaster with half a corkscrew that launches at eight miles an hour and duplicate it 15 times. And then, yeah, I won the level. All right.
01:08:39
Speaker
That guy is like the definition of work smarter, not harder, but in RCT only. Yeah. Well, let's just, let's just sit now. It's like there's two completely different, like the, the, when you were trying to play and actually build decent roller coasters, that game was so hard, which I think it had, it added more, a little more excitement when you play with that mindset.
01:09:05
Speaker
And then once you exploit it, you're like, Oh shit. Like, well, that's because what he's doing is beyond a strategy guide. It's not like, Oh, you know, guests prefer more thrilling rides in this scenario. It's like, if, if you build the popcorn stand right here, you can earn $50 every second. Okay. Uh, okay. Yeah.
01:09:36
Speaker
Yeah. Like the umbrella price when it rains. Yeah. Well, I do that every time. Just check up the price and the umbrellas. It works every time. Yeah, until I will say until that the ride price calculator came out, I didn't realize you could charge so much for some rides. I feel like I never charge more than.
01:10:01
Speaker
like eight dollars for a roller coaster, maybe 10. I didn't realize you can charge like twenty five dollars for shit. Yeah, it's all based on like the excitement level and stuff. Yeah. But all right, we got a couple of segments. So in the first one, it's very fun. Jamin, I don't know if you know how we do this.
01:10:31
Speaker
So here's how it's done. Just scroll down to on the rundown where it says Disney Minute. I'll go first, then Ben, then you. We're going to we're going to get them all in. All right. OK. Here we go. The Disney Minute.
01:11:09
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Do all who come to this happy place, welcome.
01:11:14
Speaker
Disneyland is your land. We're gonna go get our tickets and head to Disneyland. We're back at the happiest place on earth. Disneyland. Welcome everyone. I'm here today at Disneyland. Today we are gonna talk about things we wish we'd known before we went to Disney World. Disneyland is dedicated to the ideals, the dreams, and the hard facts that have created America. With the hope that it will be a source of joy and inspiration to all the world. Thank you.
01:11:41
Speaker
Tron Lightcycle Run is now testing a night with lights. I don't even know what those words are.
01:12:05
Speaker
I was going to, it's such a, that was such a long sentence and the sentence got weirder and weirder with the names. I just like, I'm so glad I totally tripped you up because every one of those words is English. The Halloween overlay version of monsters, Inc. Mike and Solly to rescue is expected to open with Oogie Boogie Bash. I want to mention Holly is still to open this coming week.
01:12:37
Speaker
Construction at the Disneyland Hotel is continuing at a slow pace. And there's some cast rehearsals for fantastic at Hollywood Studios. The Tower of Terror Loungefly backpack is now available at Hollywood Studios. We all know how much you Disney fans love those Loungefly backpacks, so get yours before they're going forever.
01:13:08
Speaker
What's a lounge fly? Um, there's, there's a miniature company of course, but like them, they're, they're bread and butter is like the miniature backpacks, um, that have like, they have literally thousands of different designs, um, from different licenses, Disney, Harry Potter, so on and so forth. Um, if you go to a Disney park, you will see them within the second you step on property.
01:13:37
Speaker
They're very popular and they're very expensive. Streamy popular. My fucking lighter died. Give me one second. Zach, how could you let this happen? Yeah. How do you let a lighter die? I just, it does suck though. And there is not one in the house.
01:14:04
Speaker
I bought a bunch like a few years ago and I still, I barely, I barely like combust like smoke. So I still have like a bunch of like just full lighters. So like that's not an issue for me really. I had a second one here, but it was also dead, but uh, we're good now. So, uh, there's the Disney,
01:14:30
Speaker
minute. We expanded that one a little bit, but at least we got through all of them. Ben got it. Got a few work. A plus work works in there. Got a little tripped up. All good. So now it's time for another segment. This is a favorite of mine. Uh, it's time for the killer coaster of the week. Yeah. This week's killer coaster. Big Thunder mountain railroad at Disneyland. Mm hmm.
01:15:02
Speaker
Very relevant trip. What was that? I was saying it's very relevant for Zach's upcoming trip to Disney. Of course. Yeah. But this is the one where the train derailed. No, this is. Oh, yep, my bad. Yep. 2003. Improper maintenance.
01:15:33
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Surprise.
01:15:38
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Yeah, the lead car, I guess you want to call the locomotive on one of the trains, like the axle-like broke, I want to say, from improper maintenance. And that tunnel right before goes into the second lift hill. It hit a trim brake, so the locomotive shut up in the air. And unfortunately, very unfortunately, it came down on top of the person riding in the front row, two people riding in the front row. And one of them was killed, unfortunately. But one of the other guys, he did live, I believe, he had injuries.
01:16:08
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It's unfortunately that a man lost his life that day due to improper maintenance, but, um, you know, they, they investigated it and they found out, you know, what happened. And as far as I'm concerned, like I believe the maintenance is a lot better now if they realize the design flaw. And I think that caused down side down, excuse me, downtime for other big thunders around the world. So they can all fix the issue that happened with the one in Disneyland before anything back can happen there for other places.
01:16:38
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God damn cornstarch. Yeah, it's pretty wild. Well, well, well, well, yeah. Killer coaster. Good Lord.
01:16:56
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It's sad because that's like one of my first coasters I rode. It's not the first. I don't exactly remember my first coaster was, but that's one of the bigger, like first family coasters I rode when I was a child. So there's a little bit of, you know, a lot of history there. So, you know, obviously the ride is still open. It's still operating to this day. Um, and it's in a very unfortunate accident, but the ride is now better for it. If there's any silver one, kind of hard to say that there is, but
01:17:27
Speaker
Yeah, no ultimate fast pass there. That's... No, no. Ultimate fast pass to heaven. Oh, it's terrible. I mean... Not wrong. He said it. He said it. He said it. Yeah, yeah. All right, so... Well, D23 is coming up next week, guys.
01:17:57
Speaker
It's exciting because I think there's a lot of possibility. I think there's also a lot of people that are expecting a lot. And they may or may not be disappointed with the outcome you're saying. I think there's a lot of people that are expecting a lot more than is reasonable.
01:18:28
Speaker
That's fair. But, you know, I took some time and put together a list of predictions for the parks panel. All right. And I know, Jamin, you're like the Disneyland guy, so I want to hear what you've got. And Ben, of course,
01:18:58
Speaker
Ben's a huge Disney fan. Yeah. I'm pretty big. Excellent. So I wanted to make sure he had his together as well. So I guess let's, let's go over these. Who wants to go first? I think you should go. You should go for a sec. All right. Then Ben, no, I'll come up with whatever I have. All right. Here's what I got and
01:19:27
Speaker
I guess these are kind of not really in any order. So first of all, Tron light cycle run at Magic Kingdom opening date. All right. I think that's an announcement that we're going to get. I think it's going to be spring 2023. I think it's a very safe bet. Spring 2023 sounds perfect for a new coaster at Disney World.
01:19:56
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And right at the tail end of the 50th. Now to add on to your prediction, when are they going to reopen the railroad? The railroad's been closed for like four or five years at this point. So when do you think they're going to reopen that? No, good question. Aftertron's open. Aftertron, really?
01:20:25
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Yeah, because they'll be able to get a second. Whoa, you know what I mean? Not long after Tron, like two weeks, three weeks a month. But I don't think they'll announce that at the 23. OK, you think Tron's going to be the focal point and then, you know, the train will get there. Yeah, Tron will be a smaller thing.
01:20:52
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I think they're going to be focused on these bigger things. Opening season for Tiana. Which I'm saying 2024 summer. Now, they they have said that they might that's supposed to open late 2024. Do you think they're going to move it up to summer?
01:21:24
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Yeah. It's a water ride. I think it would make sense. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It would make sense for a ride of that nature to move, to open in the summertime. Um, just because, I mean, it's going to be popular year round, you know, like it's, it's not going to be as popular in the winter and fall and everything, but it'll still have ridership and everything. Um,
01:21:47
Speaker
I guess I'll kind of jump in there a second. One of the things I think they're going to announce is the closing date for Splash Mountain, which if they're aiming for, you know, they're going to do a whole full reefer, re-theme on the entire attraction, they're going to need at least probably at least two years. So if I had to speculate, I'd say they're going to announce Splash Mountain closing at the end of this year.
01:22:15
Speaker
Well, that's not a bad one, although I don't. Here's the deal, I think that's a good guess, but I don't think that that's something they'll actually announce on stage at the twenty three. I think it'll probably just go more into. Sorry, go ahead. Oh, I just think that because, you know, that whole thing has been a fucking lightning rod for idiots to be loud and vocal about.
01:22:44
Speaker
very true. Very true. You see it every day on Twitter, every freaking day, just these ignorant people that just don't understand what is so wrong with it. But I'm not going to go into that here. You know, there's plenty of resources out there if anyone wants to educate themselves on why it's problematic. But yeah, I absolutely understand what you're saying. That they probably, they're not going to invite that
01:23:13
Speaker
I think that's one of those things that they'll announce on Disney Parks blog. But you're right. I think that announcement's coming soon. It's got to be coming soon.
01:23:26
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One of the things that I was reading on Twitter, like, you know, I follow a whole bunch of, like, Disney, Twitter pages and whatnot, you know, people just putting up blurbs and everything. Someone said that, like, wouldn't it be great if they just, like, they're having the parks panel and tomorrow or whoever's up there says, oh, yeah, in Splash Mountain, it's closing in 12 hours. It's closing later tonight. So get your last rides in right now because it's closing. Like, I think that would be fantastic. I think there would just be a huge
01:23:51
Speaker
like meltdown on Twitter and people would just be going nuts. And I would just live in that moment. I think that'd be fantastic. I feel like all the people that would like stand up and run out in that moment. Snaps, I gotta go. Yeah. All the people who can't get park reservations. Well, yeah, that's right. You'd be fucked. Mm hmm.
01:24:18
Speaker
Yeah, that's not going to happen. I just thought it was a funny little tweet blurb that I saw. That would be funny if they were if they were going for a troll thing, that would be the perfect way to do it. Absolutely. Yeah, Splash Mountain will be closed at the end of operation today. You got about four hours go. So Fantasmic returning to Hollywood Studios summer 2023.
01:24:50
Speaker
I think that's probably not even accurate now that we already know that the cast has been rehearsing. The return, I think it obviously is imminent, but it's still unannounced as of yet. But I don't think it's going to be all the way until summer if they've got people rehearsing, right? I think that's coming back for holiday season.
01:25:21
Speaker
I can definitely see that. Yeah, I think it's a that's a pretty safe bet. Definitely before I think it's come back for the end of the year. Yeah, I'd say they're going to announce that for November one or whenever, you know, Christmas kicks off at the Walt Disney World Resort. So, you know, hey, that's one I'm pretty sure about Moana Journey of Water opening date. Which I don't have a date picked out.
01:25:54
Speaker
Yeah, I will say it can't be that good. They do. They had they released a few photos lately of the construction progress. And I mean, they they were like maybe three or four picks, but it looks like it's shaping up very well. So, you know, if I had to guess, I'd say. I want to say summer next year, but I think I might be a little too quick, but we'll see. Yeah, I think we're going to get an opening date and considering that honestly,
01:26:25
Speaker
from everything I can discern, it's really just gonna be like the most highly themed splash pad ever built. That like, it's not gonna be, you know, it's not gonna be a huge construction job. But good God does Epcot need some work, but that's
01:26:54
Speaker
You know, hopefully we'll get some announcements about that. Mickey and Minnie's runaway railway opening date. I think we're going to get that for sure. You know what? I completely forgot. I mean, I go to Disneyland, you know. To one to three times a month, I completely forgot about Toontown, to be completely honest. And I didn't I wasn't even thinking about an opening date or when that rides opening and when the entire area is hurting, but
01:27:22
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Yeah, they I believe they'll have a good. Though there were at least a date for Toontown reopen slash. I mean, the facade is already what nearly done. Because I remember probably a month or two ago seeing a construction update where the facade was well on your way for the El Capitun.
01:27:45
Speaker
And I will say, sorry, go ahead. Oh, so like at this point, it's just it's got to be pretty much done. And if the facade's done, inside's got to be close, you know. They've got to be about as close now as Ratatouille was when they let that tick tock tick tocker on there.
01:28:11
Speaker
But I will say in regards to Toontown as a whole, when I was there last week and I was riding the train around, I do that on my busy days for like an hour or two, just because the roads, like the walkways are very, very, very torn up. So I know they're planning for early 2023 opening for the entire area. But right now it looks super rough. They just basically tore up all the pavement and they're redoing everything in there.
01:28:40
Speaker
I'm sure it's all going to that. That could be. A month or less with good contractors. Yeah, yeah, true. So I could definitely see. Yeah, I mean, yes, a reopening of the toontown area, but specifically more just opening date for Mickey and Minnie. Let's see. I have a really big one, but I'll loop back to that.
01:29:11
Speaker
Um, here's basically a couple of ones that I think are possible, but not super likely. So first of all, literally, I just wrote dino land, something question mark 2025 slash 2026. So something.
01:29:39
Speaker
You're looking like a big refurb or a re-theme of that area. I don't even know. What do you do? I don't know. So that's why I just said something. Yeah. You know, a new ride, maybe a review. Yeah, I don't know. Excuse me. Avengers Campus E-ticket. Same timeline, 25, 26.
01:30:09
Speaker
Yep, can see that. Spaceship or three theme, I think that's totally happening. All right, I'll tell you 2526. Ah, unclear, hard to make a call on that one. But I will tell you this, I've heard a lot of people online saying the opposite, like, oh, no, that was scrapped.
01:30:40
Speaker
But the thing is, they just spent a fuckload of money making the outside of Spaceship Earth look more beautiful than it ever has. Yes, they did. So why the fuck would they not then go forward with making the inside? You know. That's that's my thoughts on that one. I've got one.
01:31:11
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Go ahead. They're going to re-theme Tower of Terror to Frozen. Okay. You just, you just trolling right now. You're just trolling. I mean, I'm half serious because I feel like that's also something they would do. Hmm. Hollywood studios though.
Disney Attraction Re-theming and Speculations
01:31:34
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Yeah.
01:31:35
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I was one in Paris and I guess Tokyo too, but they wouldn't. They wouldn't. Tokyo wouldn't change it. Tokyo is untouchable. Exactly. That's a great tower. They're all great. But I mean, like literally, too, because they're not owned by Disney. What happened? What happens? The one in Florida? It's still Tower of Terror. It's the only Twilight Zone Tower of Terror left. The one the one in Paris is too. Oh, right. OK. Yeah.
01:32:06
Speaker
I thought that was getting re-themed, but that might have been something I made up. Is D23 only Disneyland? No. Oh, okay. They're going to make all their announcements for all the parks.
01:32:24
Speaker
except for Tokyo. Well, it's like, so just being out of the loop of the Disney shit, I just see, like I could see them being like, Oh yeah, we're going to turn this tower. It's just going to become like a, like a storage shed. And then it's all going to be frozen.
01:32:43
Speaker
Like it just seems like something they would do. So you think they're going to turn tower of terror into a frozen meet and greet? No, it'll be a ride of some kind. It'll be like Elsa's, I don't know, sledding adventure or some shit. I don't know. There are some people saying that they might, they might be themed Matterhorn to frozen, which I would be extremely unhappy about.
01:33:11
Speaker
Uh, like a magic key cancellation like decision, like you can't touch Matterhorn. I'm sorry. Like it's a fricking landmark and he needs to stay around for as long as I absolutely can. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And frozen in no way, she performed could do it justice. Frozen's got enough. It's enough things already everywhere. They should re-theme the Matterhorn to expedition Everest and then Harold should move.
01:33:44
Speaker
Give me like disco yeti, but actually working. Yep. Cause then you'd be like, fuck you. Are you getting moves? Um, anyway, Mary Poppins. I think that's on. I say 2026.
01:34:04
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I agree. No, that's, that's basically what I was going to, what I was going to be saying later on. I think all those projects that they had, like, I forget what they called it, like Epcot forward or Epcot forever or whatever. I think all those projects
Disneyland Forward and New Tomorrowland
01:34:18
Speaker
are going to start beginning and starting to get re green lit. And I think the Mary Poppins project is still on the table because they said it was, you know, on hold indefinitely. They never said it was canceled.
01:34:31
Speaker
So I still think, like you say yourself, that's, I still think that's on the table and that's going to come to fruition in the next four to five years, three to four years. You know, and that was a big deal when they announced it too. Like they brought Dick Clark out. It got big reaction. JPEG. Yeah. Like he said, JPEG didn't, has said it's not canceled. So.
01:34:59
Speaker
I think it's happening. It's just one of those wait and see. You wait and see it's happening. That's gonna happen. So here's my big, big, big one. I think that we're gonna get
01:35:24
Speaker
a more detailed teaser about Disneyland forward, which could potentially, and in my opinion, would include some small details or teaser for. Are you sitting down, Jamin? I'm sitting.
01:35:54
Speaker
New Tomorrowland. Ooh. Yes. But I'm putting this at 2028 or beyond. Okay. Because that's a big undertaking. So I think it's far in the future. And they don't have to really announce much of anything, but just show some concept art to get a huge reaction.
01:36:20
Speaker
So basically for free, they can get a really big positive reaction out of people. And when you say in New Tomorrowland, like, do you what are your ideas for what they would be doing? Like, do you think with the rumors lately that they would be working on bringing back people mover? Hmm. I don't know how much.
01:36:49
Speaker
I believe that to be a legitimate rumor versus people conflating hopes with rumor. Like, yeah, that's something that we all dream about. And I think it closed in 2000, not 2000, sorry, like maybe 495. I can't remember exactly when, but
01:37:14
Speaker
I was very young, but I definitely remember writing it. And I would absolutely love to write it again. I just know that that's a very, very, very large undertaking. And I want to see that entire area. You know, if they do bring back people over, they'll pretty much have to shut down the entire area because that right. We've seen the entire area, the entire land. And it's going to need a whole lot. So I don't know if you recall.
01:37:42
Speaker
the one leaked piece of Disneyland forward artwork, but the one piece of artwork kind of seemed to indicate that perhaps the Disneyland resort as we know it would no longer exist, making way instead for kind of one giant park.
01:38:13
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in three sections with one section, including hotels. Okay. Like basically all of Downtown Disney becoming an extended part of both Disneyland and DCA, but like kind of all of it being one park
01:38:42
Speaker
That'd be interesting. That's kind of what that artwork looked like. But again, this is all speculation based off of one piece of concept art that was, you know, publicized a year ago. But it's been very quiet on that front since a year ago, which leads me to believe that would be the big blowing their wad announcement.
01:39:15
Speaker
The big announcement. Yeah. So as for people mover, it's really hard to say. Because I think there's, you know, speculation that they would shorten it, but I feel like shortening it requires just as much work as getting it all operational.
01:39:40
Speaker
And I personally think that shortening it would just cheapen the experience. Like they'd basically be cutting out about a third, if not like a whole half of the ride. The right circuit, so. Well, yeah, but I mean, just from like a monetary standpoint, I don't think it's cheaper, especially considering the placement of the ride tracks to remove them than to fix them up. Like if they're going to make it operational anyway.
01:40:10
Speaker
But that's all assuming that they didn't fuck them up beyond repair when they converted it to rocket rods in the first place. Which is not really clear to anybody. Yeah, it's it was my understanding that the track structure was just.
01:40:30
Speaker
so destroyed by Rocket Rods and the year and a half it operated that it couldn't be fixed. But, you know, what can be fixed can be replaced. So my thing is whenever I hear someone saying like, oh, they can't fix the track, I'm like, well, maybe they can't fix it, but they can replace it. So that's that's my thing is that like, you know, you can't rule them out instead of just, you know, going over the current ride path with the new track.
01:40:58
Speaker
they can just destroy what's already there and build up new structure, a new track. So that's
Space Mountain's Future at Disney
01:41:06
Speaker
one of the disconnects I get when people talk about people mover. They always say, oh, it just can't be fixed, so don't even bother with it. Yeah, and I agree with that. I don't see why they couldn't go section by section, essentially the same way they do when they like
01:41:26
Speaker
rehab a roller coaster and retrack it and just literally install new track or, you know, but I do think that's a very timely project. Although, I mean, I guess I just don't. For me, I say it's 50 50 in terms of people mover coming back. Yeah.
01:41:54
Speaker
Yeah, that's pretty much my thought process. Mine is basically, it's 50-50. It happens or it won't. So, yeah, I get where you're coming from. Yeah, I see just as much reason for them to get it operational again if they're doing New Tomorrowland as I do for them to say fuck it to the whole thing if they're doing New Tomorrowland in the way I envision it.
01:42:24
Speaker
So it's really hard to make a specific call. The one thing I'll say is I don't think that area of ceiling is going anywhere. Yeah, no, it's staying. I think that's going to be a permanent fixture of Tomorrowland no matter what, because a long stretch of ceiling is too valuable in California.
01:42:53
Speaker
To add on to the new tomorrow land length speculation, one thing that I would like them to do, and maybe they've thought about it, I'm not sure if there's been rumors or anything, is to get rid of the observatron and put the astral orbiter back on top of where the people mover station used to be.
01:43:15
Speaker
Because that works in two ways. A, you get, you know, Astro Orbiter back where it should be, you know, it's much better up there, more thrilling and everything for the people who ride it. And two, it opens up that walkway in the front of Tomorrowland. Like right now it's so cramped going on the other side of Astro Orbiter. Sure, it's kind of like a cool like,
01:43:35
Speaker
intro set piece to the land, but it's just in the way, you know? And I think they could do a whole lot better with that. So if they do announce like a new Tomorrowland, if they have a concept art, I kind of hope that's part of the plans, too. I can see it being a lot more along the lines of like Disneyland Paris Tomorrowland. Hmm. Like the timeless like Jules Verne kind of look. Yeah, like more of a past looking to the future.
01:44:04
Speaker
Yeah, because I don't think they're going to go the same direction as Magic Kingdom. Which is obviously going to go for a more like. Computeristic digital Tron ask five. Yeah, like the silvery chrome and all that jazz and sorry, everybody who's all big, you know,
01:44:35
Speaker
wdw fans space mountains done that shit's done oh you think oh fuck yeah they've already replaced it they're just waiting to open it i mean it might be a couple years but it's fucking like they haven't replaced not only right next to it they haven't replaced an epcot too
01:44:59
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. So it's done. And as far as the space mountains ago, like worldwide, it's one of the worst. I mean, unlike the one at Disneyland, it didn't get a complete rebuild ever. And a badass soundtrack. Absolutely. But yeah, no, it never got a complete rebuild. So it's still running fucking 1971. Mm hmm.
01:45:30
Speaker
So that shit is done. I think the only reason it's been able to hang on so long is because it's entirely indoors. Mm hmm. And people still love it for some reason. I mean, it's still fun, but. Yeah, it's being replaced, it's like it's one of its replacements is already open at Epcot and the other one is going to be open very soon. Very true.
01:46:00
Speaker
Because that Tomorrowland needs more places to sit. Disney World's Tomorrowland has some issues they need to address as well. And having a huge giant plot of land helps out with that a lot. Exactly.
01:46:28
Speaker
So, sorry to say it, WDW fans, but Space Mountain's not hanging around for too long. So, guys, is it currently closed?
Tokyo Disneyland Tomorrowland Changes
01:46:41
Speaker
No, no, it's open. Like I said, I think it's probably got, you know, probably at least another two, three years.
01:46:54
Speaker
But I know I think once, you know, Guardians of the Galaxy is open. Tron is going to be open. And yeah, I mean, with with Tron right next to Space Mountain, it's going to make Space Mountain look like shit. Yeah, that's true.
01:47:21
Speaker
Cause like, you know, it's not, it's hard to be like, yeah, this is an E ticket. That's equivalent to our other ride. That's right next to it. Yeah, it's a hard sell. That's what I'm saying. Cause there's nothing unique about it from the other two. So I think it's.
01:47:48
Speaker
It's going to be done. I don't think it's going anywhere during Disney 100. I mean, honestly, look at Tokyo. Tokyo's replacing theirs. And that's going to be freaking awesome.
01:48:04
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure, but we don't have any concrete plans to go back to Tokyo. They're going
Upcoming D23 Expo and Predictions
01:48:10
Speaker
to Japan at this time, but when that tomorrow, they're not allowing tourists still anyway. Yeah, that's true. But whenever that space mountain opens, the whole new Tomorrowland area opens in Tokyo, we're absolutely going. I will move the heavens and the freaking earth to go.
01:48:32
Speaker
Because I'm hoping that maybe that I can make it out there. Go ahead. I was just saying that that's probably the best Disney property on the planet, even though it's not owned by Disney, but they they go they go and they go hard there very much so. We're hoping that we can make it out there before they close it. But that's going to require, you know, Japan Japan to be open to tourists.
01:49:03
Speaker
But that's neither here nor there right now. I'll pass it on to you guys. What do you got for recommendations for predictions for next week at D23? I think that there will be at least five furries present in the audience. That's low balling.
01:49:32
Speaker
Are we talking like Disney furies or like comic con furies? I see in my head that crossover is already there. So like, do you mean that as like dressed up as Disney characters or like, um, Hmm. I bet that's a thing. Yeah. Is it still like a furry if you're a face character? No, no, I don't think, I don't think, well, I mean,
01:50:01
Speaker
I'm gonna go with no, because I can't think of any fur characters that also have a human face. I could be wrong, but typically, if they're full fur, they're full fur. If they're full, they're full fur. Yeah, I think so. I think that's how it works. Yeah.
Frozen's Influence on Disney Parks
01:50:24
Speaker
I'm just gonna assume anyone I see dressed up as Olaf is in the weird shit.
01:50:34
Speaker
Yeah, babe. Piss in the slipper. Oh goodness. I stopped about a third of the way through what I was going to say. Go on. Slippers and Elsa, that's part of the story, right? There's something with the slipper. And frozen. Yeah. Isn't there?
01:51:04
Speaker
Maybe, um, did you ever see frozen Ben? No, I've never seen frozen. Oh yeah. I just, so for some reason in my mind, like for some reason I think I'm thinking of like blonde pigtails and slippers with Elsa. Hmm. But I, I've never seen the movie.
01:51:30
Speaker
No, Elsa's the one whose sister was the queen. And like, she got freaky with Spider-Man on YouTube. Oh, no. I think I never talked to you about that. Yeah, that's a gate. Look it up of Internet history. Just leave it there. Speaking of Spider-Man, I came across this really bizarre YouTube channel.
01:52:00
Speaker
And at first I thought it was like a weird porn thing. But then I saw it as a children's channel and it's like Spiderman pops 5,000 water balloons. And it's just a guy dressed as Spiderman sitting in the kiddie pool popping water balloons for 40 minutes.
01:52:23
Speaker
That sounds like a weird fetish. Right. Right. And then you like, that's definitely a fetishy thing, but then you look at the comments and it was, it's like, um, you know, the video has got like 5 million views and all the comments are like, um, you know, like, oh, great video. Um, my little sister loved it or whatever.
01:52:47
Speaker
And I was there and I was looking at it when I was really stone and I'm like, what the fuck? Like
Bizarre Spider-Man YouTube Content
01:52:52
Speaker
it was a little creepy. No, no. Everyone who commented on that video was also sitting in a kiddie pool wearing a Spider-Man suit. Popping balloons filled with various substances that we won't go into. They're like, you're cool.
01:53:18
Speaker
Okay. Here, this is shit. This, this one is an hour long. I don't, I don't get this shit here. I'm going to send this. It's fucking, it's fucking hilarious. Like it's anyway. Oh no. No, I'll look at that up later. Yeah. YouTube for kids is weird.
01:53:48
Speaker
Yeah, it's a lot of I've heard it's a lot of like CD shit and like, you know what, I need to get into that. Yeah, a little corner of gaming YouTube and one game, YouTube and comedy. Why did you send me this? I don't. I don't get it.
01:54:17
Speaker
I don't feel okay watching this. There's nothing, I mean, there's nothing offensive in the video. It's just, I know, but it doesn't have to be. The video itself is just inherently offensive just by existing. Oh no. All right. Well, giant whoopee cushions, kind of cool.
01:54:46
Speaker
It's like related videos. Farting couple top 10 Burger King onion ring farts. Oh, God. Oh, no, this is all my history now. Oh, I'm going to be getting rich in my YouTube now. All right. I'm getting away from that. We're going. Nope. Getting away from that stuff. Yeah. Like, why is he behind a warehouse? I don't know. Nothing makes sense.
01:55:18
Speaker
That's what I mean. It's not like, it's just bizarre. It doesn't make any sense. It's
D23 Announcements and Speculations
01:55:25
Speaker
also like trick shots. And then there's like, it just, the scenes change and yeah. See those people are making so much fucking money doing that shit too. Yeah, they really are. Well, we made the wrong kind of content, Ben. We got to go on Amazon and order a fucking Spider-Man costume quick.
01:55:51
Speaker
Oh, it's terrible. Nope. Getting away from that. I mean, speaking of Spider-Man, they're doing a Spider-Man 60th anniversary panel at D23. So I'm hoping I can go to that. Have fun. Do you think Tom Holland's going to show up? Tom Holland? Yeah. Who? Spider-Man, the newest Spider-Man in the movies.
01:56:21
Speaker
Oh, I have not seen any, any of the movies since it was, what's his name? Oh, Garfield, Ninja Garfield. No. Tobey Maguire? Yeah, there you go. Oh, you are way behind. Oh, Tobey. Good old bully Maguire. Seabiscuit guy.
01:56:54
Speaker
Good Lord. Well, got any other D23 predictions, guys? You pretty much covered all of mine. I didn't really come super prepared. But what I would have mentioned, you pretty much did the Mary Poppins. I was I was a specifically people mover for Tomorrowland just because the rumor mill's been going crazy on that, especially because get this, guys, there was like a.
01:57:23
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a tree that was like overgrowing on some old rocket rods track and Disney trimmed it back. And like that sent people into like a tizzy like, Oh my God, if they turned back that tree on the, on the rocket rods track and they're probably gonna have, you know, refurbish, you know, reopen people mover. And I'm like, you know, it's not impossible, but I think it's a bit of a stretch because the ride's been closed for
01:57:48
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two decades now, so just trimming a tree back off the tracks probably isn't a big signal that it's gonna be re-themed or reopened again. But as always, you know, we'll see. And yeah, and again, like I said earlier, like you pretty much covered it, but I think a lot of the projects that were put on indefinite hold, I think some of those are gonna be re-announced that they're continuing to work on them, so.
01:58:18
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That's basically my predictions. For sure. Ben, do you have some sort of good level headed one to take us out on? They're going to re-theme in credit coaster.
01:58:48
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I like it. What's it going to be? You seem to the good dinosaur frozen here. I forgot part part of my prediction for Tomorrowland, Space Mountain is not going to be themed to light year. Tomorrowland will be themed to light year. I think that's what they may have been banking on before the movie didn't do as well. They thought it would.
01:59:17
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So reverting, they're going to be theming Fantasyland to Frozen and Tomorrowland to Frozen. Sorry. No, no, you're good. And they're going to re-theme Matterhorn to like Emperor's New Groove or something. Frozen. No, no, Emperor's New Groove.
01:59:34
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Nope. You're getting three frozen rides. I was watching, um, there was some YouTube, uh, video walkthrough of like a Disney cruise or something. And, uh, it was really funny how much random shit they just seem to frozen. Like for no reason, dude, look at the wish. They have the whole dinner show is frozen. Oh God.
02:00:02
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I will say there's there is a precedent for that because the ship we are on, I think it was the magic. One of the. One of the experiences was all tangled, so like, I mean, it makes sense if you know if they if they have a tangled, they can have, you know. They have a frozen here and there, but I don't want everything to be frozen, you know. I'll tell you what, Jim, and you can have Emperor's new groove, but you have to accept it as a re-theme of. Roger at.
02:00:33
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Nope, sorry. As much as I love Emperor's new groove, I love Roger Abbott more. All right. Well, if we're not taking the deal, then Roger Abbott gets re-themed to frozen. So instead of being in Lenny that gets dipped and spins uncontrollably, you're just on an ice sled that you hit a patch of ice. You just hit a patch of ice and just keep spinning. They should bring back alien encounter.
02:01:04
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Yes, but it's going to be themed to Frozen. So now you just have an encounter with Olaf. It's summertime and Olaf's freaking out because he's starting to melt. So you're just trying to do this journey of like. He just like trying to save himself, but he just goes insane.
02:01:25
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You know, try me. I can re-theme any Disney ride to fucking frozen right now. You just name it. Uh, changes into the earth. OK, so the guy at the center of the earth. That's the Duke. The Duke of Wheelton. Yep. And the right vehicle is
02:01:55
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is is Kristoff sled being controlled by. Shit. It's the name of his reindeer. Sven Sven, there we go. Yep.
02:02:16
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So, OK, so because I'm talking to two Disney people, I'm one thing I'm always been curious about is was the early 2000s Disney the worst era of Disney? Maybe the worst commercially, but they still had good movies, you know, like Atlantis and. Treasure Island, is that what you mean? And you mean like like, well, I guess like park wise. Park wise.
Nostalgia in Theme Park Changes
02:02:43
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I don't know anything about the 2000s other than Epcot had a fucking magic wand on the ball. Everyone hated that. I thought it was fun. I thought it looked cool, but then again, I was just a kid. That's where it was. Didn't it say like 2000 or something? Yeah, which was embarrassing when it was 2001 and they had to replace it. Exactly.
02:03:11
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I mean, all areas of Disney have had their ups and downs. Like a lot of people didn't like that giant hat they put in front of the Chinese theater in Hollywood Studios or MGM Studios, whatever it was then. But of course, everyone went crazy when they took it down finally. So Disney fans are fickle. This just needs to do what they want to do, because it doesn't matter what they do. People are going to find some way to hate it. I'll tell you.
02:03:36
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I'll tell you what the recent controversy was, Ben. I'm sure you didn't hear about this one, but Disney fans lost their goddamn minds down in Florida because Disney removed a beloved sign off the freeway. I heard about that. Yeah.
02:04:04
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Yeah, a few things. The thing was a fucking ride the way the people lost their fucking minds over it. Nostalgia is awful. That's one thing I admire about Universal. Nothing is sacred. You know, I was watching something yesterday and everybody and basically like they can they can and will remove anything at any time.
02:04:27
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If it doesn't fit the park anymore, you know, like if they want to remove the mummy in Orlando, they would have, I mean, they would just moved on and not cared about it. So that's one thing I can admire about them. They don't worry about nostalgia or anything like that. They just do what's best for the park. Except for ET. Except for ET. That's 100% true. Because Papa Spielberg's got his money there. Mm hmm.
02:04:53
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And he's like, if you remove ET from my park and this park, I will pull all my other projects. And we're like, okay, fine. It stays. It stays forever. When was the last time you re-watched ET? Forever ago. I haven't watched it. I've never watched it. I haven't watched it in a long time. How about you, Zach? Fuck. Like when I was a kid, probably. You should go rewatch it as an adult.
02:05:24
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I have a bad feeling about that. Hey, guys, I'll be right back. All right. I mean, you're telling me that fucking finger isn't asking to probe. Also.
E.T. Ride and Cultural Commentary
02:05:46
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Why did they design him to look like a ball sack?
02:05:55
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Like, seriously, he looks like if you could say, like, did they say to the character designer, like, hey, he's an alien, so he should look like a folded up hoodie that you tossed on the ground or like like cut off foreskin. Oh, God. Like.
02:06:23
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Yeah, I don't have the greatest feeling about rewatching that now. Yeah, it has an age, especially when you're like, you should rewatch it whenever you say that. It's like, I don't know. Have you ever seen the E.T. porn? No, but I'm not going to because that's not happening. It's it's pretty great.
02:06:53
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How does it rank against like Edward penisans? I've never seen that. I haven't either, but. I don't think I would want to either. It's really hard to find, actually, E.T. porn. I'm trying to find the clip for future reference.
02:07:22
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Okay. But how does it rank against the egg video? Um, I mean, it's not as great as that. Okay. You, you, you just have to, okay. Can you just do me a favor and scrub through the video and just get to just fast forward through it. You don't have to watch it. Just why? Because
02:07:55
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Look at that thumbnail. You know, you know, you know, I have an idea. Oh, my God. The fuck you for sending me that. I think we should try to find
02:08:23
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Edward penis hands for the cabin. I've never heard of that one. What is that? What's the, what's the plot? I,
D23 Travel Plans and Event Predictions
02:08:35
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I think it's an artistic reinterpretation of Edward scissor hands. Oh, it's on the emails world. Perfect.
02:08:57
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Oh, I've seen this. Well, good. Yeah. You can do a report on it. So I don't know. Jamin totally bounced before we could close the episode out.
02:09:26
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Well, you're going to D 23 next, like what all next week or when is that? Yeah, we're leaving on Monday and being California going to an angels game on Monday night. I'm going to go to universal studios on Tuesday. We're going on the VIP tour. So like a two and a half hour backlot tour. I'm back to the guys. Oh, no worries.
02:09:55
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I totally threw you under the, under the bus. I was like, we're about to close this shit out, but James is not here. Yeah. Yeah. I figured you guys would have been soon. So I tried to greet Laura, talk to her a little bit before she went to bed. She's got back from her. Um, she's a little happy hour every week. So she was doing that. So for sure. We're not trying to take up too much of your personal time.
02:10:14
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Doing Disneyland Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, D23 is Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and we fly back on Monday. It's going to be good time. If any of you listeners are out there, say what's up. Although I don't think we have a lot of D23 people in our audience.
02:10:42
Speaker
I mean, we've done one hundred and whatever episodes of. No Disney content, so. Yeah, pretty much when I come on is when Disney happens. Well, we have recently brought back the Disney Minute, so we're assuring you at least one minute of Disney content per episode. Oh, yeah.
02:11:11
Speaker
I have a, I have a quick, a quick question, a quick, um, hope it won't take up too long. When do you think Disneyland resorts getting a new coaster? Just, I know I don't want to take up too much more of your time, but I just thought of it right now. I had this on my head for a while. Like when do you think Disneyland could get a new coaster? Oh boy. Cause it's been a long time.
02:11:40
Speaker
Yeah, sure has. Just like spitball. I know we've been on for like two hours, so like just give me like your gut instinct. I say 2030. I think it could definitely be something in that Disneyland forward. Idea. But that's the soonest I could see it.
02:12:09
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Fair enough. Unless they just, you know, build a tunnel and make a new area of the park. Yep, yep, yep. Yeah, just buy up all those houses in that area to the west of the park and just put whatever they want over there. Yo, just start building underground.
02:12:39
Speaker
That'd be kind of nuts. Then again, California is very prone to earthquake, so there's a whole lot of infrastructure I have to go into that. Oh, that's true. Just move the whole damn thing to Texas. Not Texas. Texas is too damn hot during the summer, I think. Well, I mean, I guess there's other parks there, parks there too, but.
02:13:05
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The 100 degree heat mixed with 100 degree humidity. Oh, that's pretty much Florida too. Eh, nevermind me. I'm just rambling. Yeah, why do people move to those areas? They're cheap. Oh, I think Texas is their cost of living is relatively low-ish, not like low, but you know, lower in California, of course. And I think Florida is kind of the same way. And there's also no income tax in Florida. So that's nice too.
02:13:35
Speaker
because you hate taxes more than you respect women. Damn. But what's fucked up about Texas too is that everything else, all the other taxes are so much higher. So I feel like it's a wash. Oh, that's true. That's very true. Like, um, so for example, my house in Denver, my property taxes are like $1,800 a year. And in Texas, it would be like $12,000 a year.
02:14:07
Speaker
I'll tell you what I never understood about those states like Texas and Florida, particularly is they're like. They they claim to be like very traditional conservative values, like, you know, less regulation, more business, you know. Yet neither of them have legal weed. What the fuck? That would bring in so much money, so much money, like
02:14:38
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I remember reading like dinner was so flush with cash when they first legalized it and they were like, they're like giving it back to like their taxpayers because they're like, we have too much cash from legal weed sales. Yeah. So we got $750 back this year on our state taxes.
02:14:55
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Hell yeah. Although it's not, but the reason, but before it is actually kind of fucked up. So in Colorado, they have this system where any tax increase has to be voted upon. Um, and so what happens is after they collect all the income tax, whatever is outside of the budgets that they already have set and voted on, they have to give back to the taxpayers. Um, but that's a huge problem when it's like, Oh, Hey, our,
02:15:25
Speaker
you know, storm drain infrastructure really needs money, like really needs like more money in our budget and then everyone votes against it. So then you get this money back, but like your infrastructure can suffer. So, so like right now we have all these infrastructure projects that are just not able to happen because they can't vote on them. Yet there's like plenty of cash going around and the state's growing really fast and
02:15:55
Speaker
So downsides, upsides. Gotcha, gotcha. All right. Holy shit. Well, y'all, we have covered a whole hell of a lot. Thanks so much for coming on. Yeah. Very welcome. Glad I can make it. Yeah. Usually today is my Disney day. So I stayed home because I didn't want to because we're going on next week. So you caught me on a good Wednesday.
02:16:24
Speaker
Awesome. I'm glad the timing worked out well. Yeah. Let me show some thoughts from you going into big Disney week. Absolutely. Yeah. I'm sure we'll have some pretty good discussions next week about, you know, Disney and theme parks in general and D 23. So very much looking forward to that. And I'll get to meet your, um, your mom and dad for the first time, right? Yeah. Cool.
02:16:49
Speaker
Cool, cool. Mama and Papa, your favorite customer sucks. Awesome, awesome, awesome.
02:16:57
Speaker
And have they been to Disney before too? Disneyland? Not to Disneyland. So it's their first time, which is super exciting. Awesome. So we're going to get buttons for your mom, your dad, and we're going to get like buttons for my mom too. Cause it's her birthday on I think Saturday, this coming Saturday and she's moving. So she's celebrating. So we're going to get some fun buttons for the crew. Everybody's got to get buttons. Yeah.
02:17:22
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02:17:39
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Thank you, all of you. I didn't pull up the list ahead of time this week. Normally I do. Well, that's not totally true, but sometimes I do. This is not one of those times. So I've got a lot of you. Go ahead. All right. So Lunaris, Luke, AJ zero, Ryan Delaney, Michael Flynn, Tyler Ray, Samuel Jacobson, Brian Kossin, David Costo, David.
02:18:08
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Coaster Talk No BS Zone, Heath Iorio, Coaster Ferg, David Skelton, Dannon Rafferty, Sean Brookheiser, Nathan Slater, Luann Lewis, Mikey Mayo, Michael Muldoon, Tristan Cox, Stefan Feimbaugh, Daniel Puckett, Nathan Hart, Jonathan Hawkins, Jared Mullen, and Ryan Schumacher.
02:18:30
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Hell yeah, thank you, all you fine folks. And, oh shit, I don't mean to put anybody on the spot, and I don't mean anybody here, but out of the names you read, you shouted out Shockwave Dan, our homie Dan Puckett, and I just wanted to say big congratulations to him and Nick. They tied the knot. Oh yeah, yeah, for sure, congrats, guys.
02:18:57
Speaker
Congrats. Absolutely. You guys love and happiness forever upon you and sure it's going to be awesome. I'm just really happy for them.
02:19:15
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Also, so yeah, wanted to shout that one out specifically in case they listened all the way to the end. Seriously. But yeah, thank you all of you guys and thank you for listening to this. You particularly. We appreciate it. Whether you've been listening for a while or is this the first time you joined us?
02:19:44
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I hope you had a good time. If not, this was ride this one. I don't know. I think that's all. Got anything else, Jamon? That's all for now. All right, Ben, you good? You got anything else? No, I'm good. I'm all Disneyed out. Well, that's good, because this is the first time we've done this in three years.
02:20:12
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probably be another two before we do another one. Yeah. Another D 23. Yep. Unless there's some like ridiculously huge announcement that happens, but we'll play that by ear. Anyways. Well, this has been fun. Thanks a bunch. And of course, until next time, your favorite.