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Episode 174 - SFGAm giga
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This week on the premier comedy roller coaster podcast, Ben and Zach talk about Six Flags Great America getting a giga, Falcon's Flight, Iron Rattler and all the rides at Six Flags Qiddiya and much more.
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Intro
Ben's Comedic Adventure in Saudi Arabia
00:00:43
Zach
I'm Zach and sometimes my farts sound like they're weird pronunciations of Australian shorthand.
00:00:54
Ben
I'm Ben and for the sake of the rest of these recordings from here on out, I am a i'm identifying as straight so I can go and ride Falcon's Flight.
00:01:07
Zach
Straight Ben.
00:01:11
Zach
Straight Ben goes to Saudi Arabia.
00:01:15
Ben
That actually would be kind of a funny like ah like a YouTube channel, like Straight Ben. you don't have to explain the joke. It's just like, are you straight? Like, no, it's just the name. I'm straight Ben.
00:01:30
Ben
I would go, i would convert to be straight to go ride that coaster. I think, I think there's been enough well-rounded, you know, feedback from it.
00:01:41
Ben
Now, obviously there's the whole other, other ethical stuff about going to Saudi Arabia, but you know,
00:01:45
Zach
Why don't you just get a forged certificate saying that you completed ah conversion therapy and then carry it with you?
00:01:55
Ben
so listless
00:01:58
Ben
Or like have a yeah, make like a fake ID, like an ah identification card.
00:02:04
Zach
You could use AI to like make pictures and videos of you getting counseling.
00:02:15
Ben
good idea.
00:02:17
Zach
praying
00:02:19
Ben
What about like a straight coaster club? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
00:02:30
Zach
that is very 2026 and it's and it's also for guys only
00:02:33
Ben
yeah yeah
00:02:35
Ben
okay
00:02:38
Ben
so
00:02:43
Ben
Okay. um I might do a little <unk> work to make some think make some fun little...
00:02:54
Ben
Because like you know i ah there's a lot of people out there who are gay and are like, I want to ride that coaster, but I don't want to deal with the you know like the hurdles and suppression and you know the morals thing about going there, but if you're part of the straight coaster club, it's like a nice safe, dump it's a little nice like safe umbrella, just a bunch of dudes hanging out, enjoying roller coasters and each other's company.
00:03:25
Ben
And, uh,
00:03:26
Zach
And none of that woke bullshit.
00:03:29
Ben
exactly. So yeah. All right. Officially we're starting the straight coaster club. Actually, you probably shouldn't be in it just for sake of like,
00:03:41
Zach
um I have nothing to do with this.
00:03:43
Ben
Yeah, this is all mean...
00:03:44
Zach
i
00:03:44
Ben
Yeah.
00:03:45
Zach
i want nothing to do with this.
00:03:47
Ben
let
00:03:50
Zach
I also don't think for the very little brand integrity we have to maintain around this place, I don't think this should have anything to do with it either.
00:04:04
Zach
But I'll give you all my ideas.
00:04:04
Ben
i mean
00:04:06
Zach
Hetero airtime.
Ethical Travel Dilemmas and Coaster Enthusiasts
00:04:08
Ben
yeah sir
00:04:10
Zach
Straight Benz coaster club.
00:04:15
Ben
ah Straight. I mean, i kind of i kind of like the way that just like straight coasters because in a way you could play it kind of dumb too because you could just be like, oh, I just thought it was a cool name. Like you're just, you know, straight to the point.
00:04:30
Zach
Yeah, and all we like is coasters.
00:04:33
Ben
Yeah.
00:04:35
Zach
and And not sex with people of the same gender.
00:04:40
Ben
this Oh, my God.
00:04:42
Zach
Of which there are only two.
00:04:45
Ben
looks like
00:04:48
Ben
So yeah, if you're interested, I'll be planning a trip out there. So yeah.
00:04:53
Zach
It'll be part of the club.
00:04:54
Ben
yeah
00:04:58
Zach
I do think that is a genius business idea. Not going to lie.
00:05:03
Ben
kind of
00:05:04
Zach
But I also, yeah, I don't want anything to do with it.
00:05:08
Ben
but
00:05:09
Zach
Unless it works and out financially, then you can cut me in on the profits.
00:05:18
Zach
But but i I'm a silent partner.
00:05:21
Ben
but cluster
00:05:25
Ben
boman um but um I'm going to the chat GPT for a little image of inspiration.
00:05:30
Zach
Oh, chat GPT is all you need nowadays for something like this? Starting a business?
00:05:34
Ben
hit
00:05:34
Zach
Oh, my God.
00:05:35
Ben
A group of men who like the company of other men riding roller coasters.
00:05:48
Ben
They are standing in a group in front of a banner that says straight coaster club
00:06:00
Ben
in front of Falcon's flight at Six Flags. OK.
00:06:10
Ben
Perfect.
00:06:11
Ben
It'd be funny if it's like, I can't do this because it's homophobic.
00:06:19
Zach
mean
00:06:22
Zach
I think if it's pretty if it's pretty well established that it's generally a cover, then
00:06:31
Ben
ah
00:06:31
Zach
maybe it won't appear so badly. But I... 2026 is a weird year.
00:06:42
Ben
Oh, what?
00:06:47
Ben
Whoa.
00:06:50
Ben
It actually did a decent, well, I mean, it's it's still ChatGPT, but I also kind of like just, here, I'll share this with the group.
00:07:03
Ben
Perfect, I love it
00:07:09
Ben
Here, we'll put this in the Heathers.
00:07:20
Zach
Well, it sounds like your 2026 is off to a good start.
00:07:24
Ben
Yeah, I mean, at some point, Six Flags Kadia. Have you been watching all the all the like video and press and all that coming from it?
00:07:34
Zach
Yeah, yeah. I mean, going to lie. Falcon's flight looks awesome, but I don't know... I just don't know if I could bring myself to actually go spend money in Saudi Arabia.
00:07:50
Ben
Yeah. yeah
00:07:53
Zach
I
00:07:53
Ben
I, uh,
00:07:57
Zach
and don't want to get too deep into it because, ah you know, rollercoaster podcast, but I will just say Jamal Khashoggi.
00:08:07
Zach
And leave it at that.
00:08:10
Ben
is it worth the credit though? It's like the, It's kind of like you know like with ah all those comedians that they did at that that like comedy festival.
00:08:20
Ben
i guess like I guess what's worse, spending your own money there or getting paid to go there?
00:08:27
Zach
They're both not great.
00:08:30
Ben
Yeah.
00:08:32
Ben
I mean, i was ah my salary came from them for like three years when I was at... Lucid Motors. And maybe not, technically you'd be more like 60% of the salary given the funding, but you know, either way.
00:08:47
Zach
Yeah, I mean...
00:08:48
Ben
Although that's just a car company. ah't They didn't really have any stake. They didn't have any stake in anything really. It wasn't like, a but it's, you know, don't
00:08:56
Zach
yeah it's one thing if they're an investor. I don't know. It's it's really muddy, right? But I think... To clarify for me, right, I try to line it like actually going there.
00:09:10
Zach
And the act of like you go there and it's not obviously it's not just buying the tickets to the park, which aren't cheap as I understand it.
00:09:19
Ben
yeah
00:09:21
Zach
um It's the hotel and the food and the taxis and, you know, whatever else you're going to go see while you're there.
00:09:34
Ben
Yeah, exactly. i mean, plus...
00:09:36
Zach
And the taxes you pay on everything. And plus, the regime owns, I don't know, a lot of those things. like
00:09:47
Ben
Yeah.
00:09:49
Zach
Or like you said, ah own a ah ah stake of ownership.
00:09:49
Ben
Yeah.
00:09:56
Ben
Right. Yeah. And I mean, also it's gotta, you want to plan kind of a long trip just for like downtime. i mean, i don't think I would go there without at least a a minimum of five potential days to go to the park in case,
00:10:15
Ben
something is down.
Speculations and Rumors in the Coaster World
00:10:16
Zach
Right, yeah, if Falcon's flight is down, I mean, the other ones, I guess Iron Rattler, but really, the other ones, like, not a huge deal, but if Falcon's flight is down for two days, and those are your two days, what, are you going to plan another fucking trip?
00:10:17
Ben
like
00:10:35
Ben
Right. Yeah.
00:10:37
Ben
Now there is some planning strategy because I guess there are rumors that they might be doing adjustments to the ride, like with launch speeds and trim placements and whatnot. So I do think that like, now that it's open, i don't think this is a project that Intamin is walking away from. i i wouldn't be surprised if Intamin is full-time site for a while. I mean,
00:11:08
Ben
They're getting paid, do i mean, they're getting definitely gonna get paid good money to you know support the ride for a while, but hopefully there might be some changes. I don't know if they can really do anything with like changing the block zones.
00:11:25
Ben
I don't think they can really change hardware, but maybe they could change the programming. Someone said they might be reduced like taking the trims off that bunny hill.
00:11:34
Zach
That doesn't seem likely.
00:11:37
Ben
I mean, they did do that for um Formula Rosa. Like, if you compare the POVs when it first opened, that first hill, was it was trimmed really hard, and it went maybe like two-thirds of the speed it does now. um Kind of like on Maverick, you know, you launch out of tunnel and just immediately are trimmed.
00:12:01
Zach
Yeah. um Speaking of Maverick, there's been a rumor that the Heartline role is going to come back.
00:12:09
Ben
Yeah, I saw that too.
00:12:12
Zach
what have What have you been hearing? What's going on with that?
00:12:18
Ben
Just YouTube rumors.
00:12:21
Ben
So I know that um I guess there is a retracking project on the table. Thing is, it's like
00:12:32
Ben
I never saw the Heartline role as like Intamin thing. limitation more of just a Cedar point being cheap. Like, I think that was one of those things where when the heartline roll was not going to work, they were like, well, we have to open it. So just put this replacement track in and they didn't want to ever spend the money to, you know, revamp it. Now that they have to retract it. Now they're probably like well, we might as well bring the roll back, but it's not hard to do. It's just,
00:13:06
Ben
It's not like it's impossible to squeeze a heartline roll in that spot. It's just, a you know, they'd have to remove more track than the initial section.
00:13:17
Ben
But it'd be cool. it'd be if they If they figure it out, that'd be really cool. Who knows? Maybe we'll even see different trains. I don't know. Maybe not. I don't think those ah those new lap bars would work for the...
00:13:33
Ben
like the tight changes of directions. Maybe. you know anything?
00:13:38
Zach
Yeah, I was going to say, i feel like it would have to be an actual heartline roll, because I don't think the one that was originally there was an actual heartline roll, because those trains were way taller or something.
00:13:55
Ben
Yeah, it was like the heart line was set so that way you, I guess it was like you were supposed to get more air time. Than actually weightlessness.
00:14:07
Ben
So it was. a Yeah. I know the heart the role that they put in there. Was supposed to be more of an airtime role.
00:14:16
Zach
I mean, like,
00:14:16
Ben
Which is cool. But also it just seems a little risky. i mean obviously. but getting getting like those Getting those thrown and those into those laterals. then going into a what, like a negative 1G roll probably is not super comfortable.
00:14:33
Ben
It's probably like, I'd probably feel the sensation of it. It's probably be really similar to the the bank turns on i305 where you're like getting airtime as you're changing direction.
00:14:52
Zach
Okay. I haven't been on I-305, so I'm taking your word for it.
00:14:54
Ben
but just But just upside down.
00:14:57
Zach
Yeah, that makes sense. I feel like um
00:15:03
Zach
if they do add it, it's going to be more like the one that's on Velocicoaster.
00:15:09
Ben
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
00:15:12
Ben
And um I think it'd definitely work there. i mean, i don't see why they wouldn't do it. If they're busting track out, you might as well.
00:15:23
Ben
I'm curious to how much of the ride has to be retracted because it's kind of crazy that a ride that's only 20 years old is going to get retracted like that. But
00:15:34
Zach
I mean, it does have pretty intense forces.
00:15:38
Ben
I mean, yeah, but nothing like, I guess is, I mean, I don't know this. I'm not a rollercoaster engineer, but is, uh, four G's on a turn on Maverick, any different than four G's and a turn on millennium force?
00:15:56
Ben
Unless it's like, uh, like that's the part that I just, i don't know. I'm curious. I'm curious how that works.
00:16:06
Zach
Well, let's leave a comment on a Ryan the Ride mechanic video and wait for him to drop a two hour long answer.
00:16:16
Ben
Yeah.
00:16:18
Zach
Shouts to that guy. I enjoy his videos.
00:16:22
Zach
You can just definitely tell that he's like an engineer.
00:16:22
Ben
Yeah, same.
00:16:27
Ben
Yeah, i watch I watch a lot of those.
00:16:30
Zach
Same. They're fascinating. But sometimes he just gets a little too in the weeds.
00:16:37
Ben
That's fine. That's exactly why I watch it. It's like, want to spend 30 minutes...
00:16:45
Ben
learning about anti-rollbacks.
00:16:51
Ben
He delivers.
00:16:56
Ben
I think Intamin overall has definitely, I think
New Coaster Announcements and Enthusiast Debates
00:17:02
Ben
they're fine. Like, I don't know why Intamin and Vekoma need to come back because
00:17:13
Ben
Yeah, parks need to start working with them again. Although it could just be a a cheapness thing. i don't know.
00:17:20
Zach
Well, I mean, there's going to be the Intamin
00:17:27
Zach
multi-launch Fast and Furious Hollywood Drift replacing Hollywood Rip Ride Rocket ah Universal Studios Florida.
00:17:39
Ben
Is that an instrument?
00:17:41
Zach
Yeah.
00:17:41
Ben
Oh shit. Okay.
00:17:44
Zach
It's kind of interesting, right? Because they just announced that the name, they haven't shown really much of animations, I don't think. I think there's going to be a swing launch.
00:17:55
Zach
Because I think I saw there's going to be a spike. So it's not going to be. Obviously with the mountain. And the fact that the one Hollywood. Is a terrain coaster.
00:18:05
Ben
Yeah.
00:18:05
Zach
It's not going to be a clone. So it's kind of interesting. That they're using the same name. And kind of putting themselves. In a mummy versus mummy situation. Again.
00:18:16
Zach
Where like. You're going to have two roller coasters. That are. They have the same gimmick essentially. But they are different. The designs and the track color is going to be different too, is what I remember seeing.
00:18:29
Ben
Right.
00:18:29
Zach
It's going to be blue instead of in Hollywood. It's going to be black, which makes sense because it looks like a road. um
00:18:38
Ben
Okay. Yeah. Okay.
00:18:41
Zach
But what what are you going to do? um That one's going to open soon. I'll go ride it when it opens so I can report about it here.
00:18:50
Ben
And it looks, yeah, it looks pretty good. um i do think the problem with it though is people are going to Like any, cause whenever that thing was announced, right, people were calling it or like being like, oh yeah, like I love Velocicoaster. It's like Velocicoaster West.
00:19:10
Ben
It's not, but... I think, and you can tell by just the off-rise, it's going to be a much more, i don't want to say tame because it doesn't look tame. It's just, it's not ah like going to be like a hyper intense, snappy, velocicoaster. definitely looks a little more graceful because of the whole spinning element to it.
00:19:31
Ben
So i I think I could just see a response that people are going to be a little disappointed with it just because they have too high of expectations.
00:19:41
Zach
I definitely think it's going to be more akin to like time traveler than VelociCoaster.
00:19:48
Ben
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
00:19:51
Zach
Which is awesome. I love time traveler.
00:19:54
Ben
And you can also tell, i can also sense a disappointment because anytime that there's testing footage of, uh, of a coaster, and this is, this has become a meme and you see that I, and actually there's a little bit of a, of this with Falcons flight to,
00:20:12
Ben
um Anytime someone posts testing footage, there's usually a comment that's like, oh man, it looks kind of slow. And then there's a response. It's like, no, it'll speed up.
00:20:27
Ben
And then usually that's not the case. so And it's definitely happening for this coaster too. If you could just look at any any footage on YouTube where it's testing, like there's always people fighting in the comments.
00:20:41
Ben
Being like, this looks slow. Like, this looks way slower than it does in the video. And then someone's like, it'll speed up. But that's not the case. Definitely wasn't the case for Falcon's flight either. Because people were saying that on that ride too.
00:20:57
Zach
Well, and, like, honestly, shut the fuck up. It's the fastest roller coaster in the world. Fuck
00:21:05
Ben
Yeah.
00:21:07
Ben
But also...
00:21:08
Zach
off.
00:21:09
Ben
I also thought it was funny and I, I fucking, I knew this was going to happen without like, without writing it. Like, um, whenever there was a debate about the ride testing in like Reddit or YouTube, there'd always be an argument about the airtime on the Hills. Like, you know, replying to the testing footage and something like, Oh man, I wish this ride would have had more airtime.
00:21:36
Ben
Seems like a lost opportunity. And then it's usually probably like, No, you don't know. Those hills going to have ejector. going to be going so fast. But like anybody who's played no limits can look at those hills and you could just know those hills don't have airtime just based on like the profiling and the angles and.
00:21:55
Zach
Yeah, the only interesting looking hill is the one that has the weird banking in the first half.
00:22:06
Ben
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:07
Zach
That's the only interesting looking hill on the whole ride.
00:22:10
Ben
Yeah.
00:22:11
Zach
And honestly...
00:22:11
Ben
And it's fine. And honestly, it's fine because the ride, it's it's a feat either way. Like, I don't think that... I don't think people are getting off that and be like, I wish the ride had more airtime. so It's not the point.
00:22:23
Ben
It's just funny, though, like, there's these, like, assumptions that our community, like, in these, like, arguments that people get. It's like how any time a ride is announced, people will talk shit about it.
00:22:33
Ben
But then on the other side, there's always an equal reaction of people that are suddenly, like... bootlicking it. You know what i mean? And like, you don't know, you haven't been on it. No, it's going to be awesome. It's going to have so much ejector. It's going to go faster.
00:22:48
Ben
It's kind of this like, you know, split.
00:22:52
Zach
Well, yeah, see, and the thing with Falcon's Flake, too, is, like, we had this conversation about X2 when we were all riding it at our meetup at Magic Mountain last year, um about how it's, like, really, for how crazy of a ride it really truly is, it's not very intense, so to speak,
00:23:14
Ben
Yeah.
00:23:15
Zach
In terms of like g-forces and like it's very um swooshy and drawn out right.
00:23:24
Ben
Yeah.
00:23:25
Zach
And the reason it is that way is because of how crazy of a ride it is. it would be like overwhelming people would be one and done for sure. And they would go I don't like that thing you know.
00:23:40
Ben
Yeah.
00:23:42
Zach
So as visually impressive as it is, and as crazy as a concept as it is, Magic Mountain and Arrow had to like purposely be like, no, make it like swooshy and graceful. So that way, like,
00:23:57
Zach
You can ride it and like he'd enjoy the flips. and You know what I mean? Not just like, holy shit, I'm pressed into my seat experiencing two and a half Gs for 73 seconds straight.
00:24:11
Zach
seventy three seconds straight
00:24:14
Ben
Right, yeah.
00:24:15
Zach
Same deal with Falcon's Flight. It's the biggest roller coaster in the world. It's going to draw people from all around the world. It needs to be able to be something that people don't go like, oh, yeah, it was crazy. I don't know. i don't like it.
00:24:34
Ben
Yeah, right.
00:24:35
Zach
My stomach was hurting and shit. Because not everybody in the world wants Steel Vengeance.
00:24:47
Ben
yeah
00:24:49
Zach
I don't think the average rollercoaster enjoyer is like, give me the most face melting intensity that Ohio has to offer.
00:25:03
Ben
But some people, yeah. And that's the thing is like, because one manufacturer does it, it becomes... this standard requirement of like, I don't know, it becomes like an expectation.
00:25:20
Ben
and and honestly Falcon, like six flags could be not really, it was not built for enthusiasts. I mean, maybe it was, i guess, I don't know.
00:25:32
Zach
To the extent any new park is built for enthusiasts, but yeah, it's built to attract people.
00:25:36
Ben
Yeah.
00:25:41
Zach
Right? And enthusiasts are people.
00:25:44
Ben
Yeah.
00:25:44
Zach
As hard as that can be to believe sometimes. But... um
00:25:51
Zach
And you know, I feel like probably pound for pound... the The tilt coaster looks more intense than Falcon's Flight.
00:26:01
Ben
Yeah. That's, that's what a lot of people seem to be saying too, but it's cool. That ride does look really, really good. uh, after doing Siren's Curse, I definitely can see how that ride it would be awesome.
00:26:16
Ben
And even that um that all like weird Vekoma two-car train one.
00:26:24
Zach
Yeah.
00:26:24
Ben
i mean, their lineup looks pretty... I mean, i guess those three things. and there Oh, yeah, then the the wooden coaster. That's apparently GCI's strongest airtime.
00:26:37
Ben
that one looks pretty fun yeah because i always i always heard that so gci doesn't um they don't design for airtime that exceeds more than zero g and i guess this one they it's like stronger time i don't know if they just meant like
00:26:37
Zach
Interesting.
00:27:01
Ben
the duration of airtime there's more dirt like airtime or if they mean like stronger airtime i don't know um
00:27:11
Zach
Is it stronger or longer?
00:27:17
Zach
Well, I mean, i look i can dig. i I'm a big Timbers fan. Mystic Timbers love it.
00:27:26
Ben
same
00:27:27
Zach
Like, I like GCIs in general. But yeah, airtime's never really...
00:27:37
Zach
A thing that they. Do.
00:27:41
Ben
Yeah, not really.
00:27:44
Zach
Like I'm like. I'm like even when you think there's going to be airtime. There's not. Like. The boss.
00:27:56
Zach
The double down.
00:27:58
Zach
It's like the first drop. And you're like. Oh shit there's a double down. there's going to be some crazy airtime and then there's not.
00:28:10
Ben
Well, that's that's a CCI.
00:28:12
Zach
Oh, fuck. You're right.
00:28:14
Ben
But the Bunny Hill after the double down, though, has decent airtime.
00:28:14
Zach
all right. Well, take, take my, so my street coaster car away.
00:28:24
Ben
I mean, on those girlss I love those Gerstlauer trains because if you're tall, you end up just getting like tons of room under the lap bar. Also, I'm watching i'm watching a POV of Colossus, and it definitely looks looks like it is providing stronger than zero-G airtime.
00:28:33
Zach
oak
00:28:45
Ben
Maybe it's because of those new trains. Maybe those new restraints are the reason why they decided to go over zero-G, if that's the case.
00:28:53
Zach
I feel like maybe Kentucky Rumbler had a couple moments of airtime.
00:29:00
Ben
I thought that one was, at least when I wrote it, I thought that one was like fairly tame. Of all of them, I feel i always thought that Mystic had the strongest airtime at the G3.
00:29:10
Zach
Oh yeah, Mystic is definitely... I'm trying to think of just like any individual moment of airtime on any GCI. I feel like there's one bunny hill that stood out, like a very small one on Kentucky Rumbler.
00:29:25
Zach
I feel like the first drop on Texas Stingray...
00:29:30
Zach
They'll get partial credit for, you know, Ghost Rider...
00:29:36
Ben
yeah
00:29:38
Zach
Um, me think here.
00:29:39
Ben
Otherwise, if you sit in...
00:29:41
Zach
Um, isn't there one on Thunderhead after the station fly through?
00:29:49
Ben
Yeah, Thunderhead...
00:29:51
Ben
yeah but it but then it's like I remember the strong airtime on that ride, but then again, I could probably be convinced that none of it really is more than zero g it's just It's just the way that Although usually when i ride when I ride GCIs, I typically...
00:30:10
Ben
i like the ride with... like I always push the lap bar up the whole time. so like i have my elbow kind of like crooked on my side and then I jam my hand under the lap bar so like like it cannot come down.
00:30:31
Zach
Okay.
00:30:32
Ben
GCIs are pretty floaty. Like I don't, I can't, there's really no like moment
00:30:39
Ben
compared to say like a CCI or or a gravity group or like there's like actual airtime.
00:30:47
Zach
Yeah, no, they're definitely like very light float. Mystic Timbers is the only one where you're doing more than a light float.
00:30:58
Ben
Yeah, and even then, I don't think it's really that much more. It definitely feels stronger, though, than the others. And then ah otherwise, um the back row on Renegade, if you sit on like one of the sides, kind of has a little bit of a whip, too. But again, even then, I could literally be convinced that it's just zero G. I don't think...
00:31:25
Zach
Yeah, I'm with you. Although thinking about Renegade, that might be another one where there's like one of those small, low bunny hills where there's like a nice floaty pop.
00:31:38
Ben
Yeah.
00:31:41
Zach
um And also that drop. I feel like in the back row, when it switches banking, you get like a little very light pop.
00:31:52
Zach
If you're on the other, like the the correct side, what would that be like? the The right side? Because it banks to the right, then to the left.
00:32:03
Zach
So like,
00:32:05
Zach
drop, and if you're on the right side, when you kind of switch to the left banking, that kind of has like a very light pop.
00:32:14
Ben
Yeah, I'm watching. I just pulled up a POV of it.
00:32:18
Zach
But I haven't written that, i don't think, since, like, the year it opened.
00:32:25
Ben
good 20 years.
00:32:26
Zach
Yeah.
00:32:27
Ben
Yeah.
00:32:28
Zach
But has Valley Fair added anything in that time?
00:32:32
Ben
No. I haven't been to Valley of Fair since 2015. twenty fifteen Which actually, which even in my memory seems kind of recent, but it's really not.
00:32:38
Zach
So they...
00:32:45
Ben
um Yeah, there's nothing new.
00:32:48
Zach
Yeah, I was going to say, like, feel like I never really made a point of getting back there
00:33:01
Zach
after having gone the one time because, you know, same thing, Mall of America hadn't added anything to the park there.
00:33:10
Ben
No. Yeah, there's... Yeah, Minnesota just does not... They haven't had much going on at all, which sucks.
00:33:22
Zach
And that's like, yeah, and like now at this point, that's like, wait till it's like a cheap weekend to do so and just do Mall of America and Valley Fair on a quick weekend trip.
00:33:42
Zach
Do that and do, i don't know, what's the name of Prince's Estate if they offer tours there?
00:33:49
Ben
Prince's estate?
00:33:50
Zach
Yeah Yeah you know what I'm talking about though They got recording
00:33:50
Ben
Oh, oh, um yeah, I'm not sure. I've never done it.
00:33:57
Ben
Yeah.
Underrated Cities and Urban Experiences
00:33:59
Zach
Studios and all sorts Of stuff but if they Offer tours like yeah go do the Prince tour I don't know
00:34:08
Ben
Yeah, I mean, Minneapolis was always, a i always found it to be a kind of an underrated city to visit and live in.
00:34:15
Zach
Yeah right now seems like a really good time To go visit there
00:34:22
Ben
Even, you know, obviously like there's a, that could be a whole other discussion about what's going on there. I will say though, like in typical fashion, anytime that two cities I'm familiar with Seattle and Minneapolis that are always in the news in these types of situations, whenever you look at the map of where the stuff is going down, it's always the like smallest part. It's like,
00:34:51
Ben
The way that they make things seem in the news, it's like you know ah like a whole city, but then like when you look at the map, it's like, oh, it's like one neighborhood. If that, it's like a couple blocks.
00:35:03
Ben
um
00:35:05
Zach
yeah a As somebody who was in Chicago and now is in San Francisco, I completely understand that There's a lot of
00:35:13
Ben
Yeah. So...
00:35:19
Zach
a lot of narrative spin to a lot of cities
00:35:24
Ben
Yeah.
00:35:26
Ben
That's like, um, that's like the other day.
00:35:31
Ben
was actually, actually looked at one. That'd be good timing. On the ring app, there's this, um, like a neighborhood feed, which is, you can just post whatever you want, right? There's no, like you can,
00:35:44
Ben
There's no usernames or anything. You could literally just be like, just make shit up if you wanted. um But there were gunshots that were happening probably maybe like a mile away.
00:36:02
Ben
And like I saw someone post on next door and not on ring about it. And then like, you know, people always like, Oh, I think it was here. I think it was here. But then like, when you think about it, it's like, okay, you can hear them. Sure.
00:36:16
Ben
But there's probably like, don't know, 70,000 people between me and where the gunshots happened. Not that he should just like,
00:36:27
Ben
write it off as nothing but at the same time if you just think about it okay like there's literally ah few million people in this tiny dense area like things will happen
00:36:44
Zach
Yeah.
00:36:47
Zach
I mean.
00:36:50
Zach
feel like that's just one of those things, too, where like.
00:36:55
Zach
People always like have a heightened response, you know.
00:37:01
Ben
Yeah.
00:37:02
Zach
And like, oh, I i gotta be the one to report it Oh, did you hear what happened to me? i heard gunshots.
00:37:20
Ben
Yeah, there were, um, the only, the one time I got stumped though was, uh, there was this like very loud explosion that happened like a week ago. And it's the first time that I saw probably like 30 other people post in the ring app about it and no one could figure out where it came from.
00:37:39
Ben
It was a little weird. It was very, very loud. yeah.
00:37:43
Zach
That's pretty wild.
00:37:46
Ben
And like louder than typical explosions too. i mean, it probably was like a substation or something, but i don't know. It's always weird when you hear that stuff.
00:37:58
Zach
There was an explosion on my block a couple weeks ago.
00:38:02
Ben
What kind of explosion?
00:38:04
Zach
A oil tanker blew up at a gas station that's being deconstructed.
00:38:12
Ben
Oh, nice. yeah
00:38:14
Zach
Yeah. The block was shut down to traffic and everything. It was something. wait We were here. The windows shook because it's at the end of the block and we're in the middle of the block.
00:38:27
Ben
OK.
00:38:29
Zach
And so windows shook. I thought for sure it was like an earthquake, you know.
00:38:36
Ben
Yeah.
00:38:40
Zach
But then, you know, um unlike the Ring app, I just went on to um the local subreddit.
00:38:49
Zach
Which will let you know if there's been an earthquake.
00:38:54
Ben
It is kind of funny how like sometimes you go on there like thinking you're going to hear something or see something and no one posts about it. Because Because that happens to me too. i'm like I'm like, really? Like I don't know where to go.
00:39:08
Zach
yeah i don't either because i was like was like was that a yeah yeah right heat wave alert oh shit that's not good uh fuck it's january oh
00:39:10
Ben
It's like Twitter. Yeah, it's like Denver Twitter, a Denver Police Department. And then the first post is like from four months ago. And you're like, well, that's not helpful.
00:39:34
Ben
Yeah, I do struggle with that sometimes of like, where do I go for this information? There's not like a feed. Despite everybody being on their phone at all times, like there is no just like a live feed of things anywhere. It's just, it's all algorithm driven.
00:39:50
Zach
Yeah, right?
00:39:51
Ben
miss.
00:39:51
Zach
And then what, am I going to post on the local subreddit like, hey, was that an earthquake?
00:39:56
Ben
Right.
00:39:56
Zach
Just to have like 1,500 of the smartest individuals who probably don't even live in the locale go, no, you idiot.
00:40:07
Ben
Yeah.
00:40:08
Ben
Exactly.
00:40:11
Zach
And now on Reddit, there's a ton of AI posts, which sucks.
00:40:20
Ben
Speaking of AI, did you see that photo?
00:40:23
Zach
Which photo?
00:40:24
Ben
I posted it in the Heathers.
00:40:26
Zach
Oh, let me take a look.
00:40:35
Zach
That's perfect.
00:40:37
Ben
I also love that there's just a coaster cruise shirt. i just realized that.
00:40:44
Zach
I'm trying to get better detail on the straight coaster club guy in the middle with his shirt says.
00:40:52
Ben
Yeah, it looks like, uh, is that Mandarin?
00:40:56
Zach
Yeah. probably just It's probably gibberish, but maybe it says straight coaster club. Who knows? The guy to his right, I don't know. How come these guys look like an actual coaster club?
00:41:11
Ben
I mean, it probably is. It would be funny if it was like a coaster radio, like group photo or something. Yeah.
00:41:20
Zach
Well, like, okay. Hear me out. If you saw these six people walk into NoCoasterCon,
00:41:31
Zach
that would be yeah, of course. that would be like yeah of course
00:41:31
Ben
Yeah.
00:41:41
Zach
Speaking of which, I guess that happened. And I was thinking about it. ah That event's got to kind of boring now that like pretty much all the parks in the entire region, except for like Holiday World, Indiana Beach, and
00:42:03
Zach
what are they're all owned by Six Flags now.
00:42:06
Ben
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's like now they just have like one guy show up and they just go down a PowerPoint of all the changes.
00:42:15
Zach
Yeah, it's probably just Tony Clark.
00:42:17
Ben
Yeah.
00:42:18
Zach
And maybe like, maybe somebody from Great America.
00:42:22
Zach
But I bet you it's just probably Tony Clark like, alright, here's what's happening at Cedar Point. Here's what's happening at King's Island. Here's what's happening at St. Louis.
00:42:35
Zach
Here's what's happening at Worlds of Fun.
00:42:38
Ben
Yeah, and like, um
00:42:41
Ben
isn't art don't a lot of parks still do the Zoom thing now? Or do they actually show up?
00:42:46
Zach
I don't know. It's been several years since I've gone. And I got to imagine too that now that Paula's not with Holiday World, their presentation may or may not exist. I don't, you know what I mean? Like,
00:43:00
Ben
Oh, sure, yeah.
00:43:03
Ben
I wonder how many people ask
00:43:05
Zach
I guess Kenny would, they would probably still maybe show up, but the way that they've been cutting their budgets recently, who knows?
00:43:13
Ben
Right.
00:43:15
Ben
Also too, I mean, I'm curious what the guest turnout of the event is nowadays. I wonder if it's like, I wonder if you walk into that room, is it going to be the exact same people you expect?
00:43:32
Zach
Oh yeah.
00:43:33
Ben
Just older.
00:43:37
Zach
I'm sure.
00:43:39
Ben
Yeah, I mean, i there's a part of me that wants to do the event again, but I also know like it is boring. like you are just in a You're in a hotel conference room. It's like you're at work for eight hours or more.
00:43:55
Ben
The only time it was fun was that Jeff Sievert after party.
00:44:00
Zach
Yeah.
00:44:01
Ben
That was it.
00:44:03
Zach
Oh, I guess he still would maybe go.
00:44:08
Zach
Because he would still...
00:44:10
Zach
Well, no, probably not.
00:44:13
Zach
Because he's the park president there. He's not...
00:44:16
Ben
Yeah, I'm sure he does more for like the whatever Texas Ace region, but I don't know if you'd really do anything for Great Lakes region anymore.
00:44:29
Ben
don't know. Maybe. I mean, do other regions have their own no coaster con?
00:44:36
Zach
Um, there's East Coaster.
00:44:40
Ben
Which is in the winter.
00:44:41
Zach
Yeah.
00:44:42
Ben
Okay.
00:44:45
Zach
Which makes sense. But I think other than that, yeah, where else would they do that? Because like Midwest and the East Coast, but then all the other places where there's like enough enthusiasts, there's parks that are open.
00:45:05
Ben
Yeah, right.
00:45:06
Zach
like Texas, the parks there are going to be open in the winter. Here on the West Coast, most of them are, there's parks available in, you know, Florida.
00:45:18
Ben
So I guess, does does is there even a West Coast ace presence anymore? That's one thing I've always been curious about, because... other than in the early two thousands with like some of those discovery channel shows, um, I don't ever hear of them. I don't even know of them. I've never seen one like
00:45:43
Ben
it's California.
00:45:43
Zach
From what I can tell, that it exists
00:45:48
Ben
Yeah.
00:45:50
Zach
and in terms of like an actual scene. like First of all, you know I'm in Northern California. I don't really...
00:46:04
Zach
Like, the idea of, like, a native bay Area person being, like, an enthusiast seems kind of weird to me.
00:46:16
Ben
Yeah.
00:46:18
Zach
Like, I'm sure they that there's some, right? But, like...
00:46:25
Zach
It just seems like statistically, right, like on a scale of Hawaii to Ohio,
00:46:38
Zach
the Bay Area seems a lot closer to Hawaii in terms of percentage of churning out enthusiasts, right?
00:46:47
Ben
Sure, yeah. i mean i I just looked at a group photo of the NorCal Ace, which is really, which first of all, their banner has just a giant QR code on it.
00:47:05
Zach
Makes sense. That tracks. and That tracks. Well, you know what? Now that I'm thinking about it, I could see like a group of like
00:47:19
Zach
a dozen and a half friends from the Castro that are like in their fifties and sixties now.
00:47:30
Ben
Yeah, it actually looks like ah kind of, there's a few families. If anything, the California ace group seems much more wholesome than other regions because the California, just, i mean I mean, I'm making him very steep generalizations based off of a group photo, but the, you know, like, like you know, like people who just sort of fall into the hobby, like they're a casual coaster, like,
00:48:00
Ben
Like, oh, I went to this park and the coasters were fun. And then they Google like, oh, is there like a coaster club? oh there's Ace. I'll join that and go to the event once a year. Like those types of people.
00:48:10
Ben
I think it seems like that's what the California Ace crew is. Because there's like some couples. There's like families with kids. There's old folks. There's young folks. There's like.
00:48:26
Ben
your typical Great Lakes region types, but then there's also just like very normal looking like tech people, you know, there's a couple of coaster Justin types.
00:48:39
Ben
um But yeah, like
00:48:44
Ben
maybe that's why you don't really hear about them at all. It's just because like, they're just, it's just very like ACE in California is just very casual and it's not like, I don't know. It's not making waves.
00:48:56
Zach
To be completely fair. That also seems a little indicative of. 2026. Maybe more broadly than Ace. But like for coaster events.
00:49:08
Zach
That seems more indicative of just the times.
00:49:12
Ben
Oh, yeah, that's true.
00:49:13
Zach
Because I feel like.
00:49:15
Zach
remember the experience we all were talking about at Hollywood Nights when we were there. What was that, 2021? Yeah. yeah um When it was like
00:49:28
Zach
a lot of people that like wouldn't have been at a coaster event two, three plus years ago. Had heard.
00:49:40
Zach
Like oh you buy This ticket and then. You get food and. Short lines.
00:49:48
Ben
Yeah.
00:49:51
Ben
Yeah, that's true.
00:49:54
Zach
So I feel like the events are kind of like. Saturated now.
00:49:59
Zach
They're like aren't like really. it's It's not like
00:50:05
Zach
the niche that it used to be, right?
00:50:08
Ben
Yeah.
00:50:10
Ben
have a photo of a bunch of it's it.
00:50:13
Zach
oh hell yeah.
00:50:15
Zach
Those are so fucking good.
00:50:18
Zach
And if you haven't had one, dare I say, come to the Bay Area. It's worth it just to get an It's It.
00:50:27
Zach
I mean, it's it's worth coming out here to visit California's Great America before they close inevitably soon.
California's Great America Milestones and Future
00:50:36
Zach
Which, honestly, I'm hoping I can maybe make it to both this year because it's the 50th anniversary.
00:50:45
Ben
Oh, wait, which park is 50?
00:50:46
Zach
Great America.
00:50:47
Ben
Oh, yeah.
00:50:48
Zach
but Both of them.
00:50:49
Ben
Yeah, that's right. Which, by the way, now there's some ah Giga Rocket Coaster rumors for Great America.
00:51:03
Ben
i don't know if you saw that little thing.
00:51:04
Zach
Yeah, I've been seeing the Giga rumors.
00:51:07
Zach
I mean, sure.
00:51:11
Ben
It's, uh, they could probably do it. Thing is, is, um, let's see if there's any photos of it because there were those leaked blueprints or the leaked, um, photos or whatever.
00:51:27
Ben
Sifcam, GigaRumor. Unlike, remember Tumbleweed though? Like,
00:51:40
Zach
Like I feel like i remember hearing a rumor that they couldn't exceed the height Sky Trek Tower
00:51:57
Zach
but I think that's 330 feet?
00:52:04
Ben
Seems right.
00:52:06
Zach
So like
00:52:08
Zach
they could still build a giga hell as long as it's over 287.
00:52:13
Ben
Yeah, shit. OK, so did you see this photo of the layout?
00:52:19
Zach
ah Yeah, but not recently enough to recall. It's like over in the backstage area kind of by where King Chaos was in there, right?
00:52:33
Ben
Yeah, it's basically... um
00:52:35
Zach
And Raging Rapids, yeah. Roaring Rapids.
00:52:41
Ben
Yeah, it goes...
00:52:42
Zach
roaring rapids
00:52:44
Ben
Yeah, it kind of like goes over the train tracks just next to Roaring Rapids. And then it's it follows that... um
00:52:53
Ben
There's that like retainment pond...
00:52:57
Ben
What's weird, though, is that in the in the layout, there's a lot of straight section, which I guess if it's bunny hills, that's fine. But the size of the turnaround in the photo looks comically small compared to the rest of the ride.
00:53:16
Ben
Unless that's supposed to be kind of like a treble clef or something.
00:53:20
Zach
I mean... It's great America.
00:53:27
Zach
You know, you get the...
00:53:31
Zach
I'm not going to say, like, the worst version of the rides they get, but they definitely don't get the best versions of the rides they get, Yeah.
00:53:45
Ben
Yeah.
00:53:47
Ben
Also, wait a minute.
00:53:50
Ben
Oh, actually, never mind. My orientation was thrown off. I was going to say, because like, no, the Joker's in the way. Actually, joke it's it's not. So I'm trying to visualize this on. I'm doing this side by side with Google Maps.
00:54:06
Ben
And that leaked photo. So actually we can't use Google Maps. We gotta go to Google Earth.
00:54:22
Ben
Okay.
00:54:24
Zach
you
00:54:26
Ben
Yeah, so by Batman the Ride, right where King Chaos was, there was a station. and then it goes over the midway. And I'm guessing it drops kind of like over the train tracks.
00:54:42
Zach
So it's taking up primarily the the Mardi Gras
00:54:42
Ben
Between the train
00:54:49
Zach
hangover and Roaring Rapids plot.
00:54:53
Ben
Yeah. So if it is a Giga and it looks, I guess it's either lift hill or a launch. um Yeah. So basically you'll be going.
00:55:05
Ben
Yeah. Over the midway and dropping right where Roaring Rapids is or that, I don't know. There's that section where the train track starts turning kind of towards the back of the park. It's like a long curve by that service road.
00:55:20
Ben
and it goes around Roaring Rapids, it's like dropping right there. um Basically, it's basically literally in between the Dark Knight line.
00:55:34
Ben
I didn't realize the queue line for Dark Knight was so big. It's the same site.
00:55:39
Zach
It's the whole theater.
00:55:40
Ben
Yeah, shit.
00:55:44
Ben
Yeah, so it's dropping between the theater and Roaring Rapids. And then it goes over that employee service road or whatever.
00:55:55
Zach
It's that whole theater plus those long ass hallways.
00:56:00
Ben
Oh yeah, that's right.
00:56:03
Zach
Yeah, it's so long. Dude, so long.
00:56:09
Ben
And then, so what's crazy though, is that
00:56:13
Ben
I don't know how the city is going to allow them to build a giant coaster like that right next to that neighborhood. I mean, there's a house.
00:56:28
Ben
Let's see, there'd be a house. Let's see measure from here
00:56:36
Ben
That's meters. It's It's within feet. Yeah, there so this coaster would be 270 feet away from the nearest house.
00:56:49
Ben
So think about that shit. The ride is taller. The ride would be taller than the distance between the track and the nearest residential home.
00:56:59
Zach
Yeah, but you know, to be completely fair, they never run anything past midnight there.
00:57:07
Ben
True, but isn't that like a, doesn't that neighborhood complain a lot though already? i mean, I just did a street view of this house. It's actually a really cool house. Dude, that's a sweet house. It's like tucked.
00:57:20
Ben
You kind of got like your own little wilderness. You're on a very quiet road. Dude, this looks like a cool neighborhood.
00:57:30
Zach
Nice. I always thought
00:57:31
Ben
And then you just got, then just got people screaming 14 hours a day, like hundreds of feet away from you.
00:57:38
Zach
probably closer to like to 10 at 1030.
00:57:43
Ben
i mean, yeah.
00:57:47
Zach
You know what i mean?
00:57:50
Ben
I bet it's this person, literally it's this house right here. 5180, South fifty one eighty ah south road
00:58:00
Ben
It's literally a one lane gravel road that goes to the very end. And it's this lady's house right here. I'm making assumptions on her gender. It's probably it's probably a family.
00:58:11
Ben
I don't know. I just imagine ah an old lady who lives by herself complaining, you know, every, she shows up to the city hall or like the, the board meetings, every single meeting and just to turn down every new roller coaster, the park proposes.
00:58:23
Zach
the
00:58:27
Ben
Yeah.
00:58:28
Zach
That's the bus driver from South Park lives there.
00:58:34
Zach
What did you say?
00:58:36
Zach
Oh, yeah, that's a very secluded.
00:58:44
Ben
Yeah, and it's like in the woods. Like, here's the thing the A person who buys a house like this is...
00:58:50
Zach
Oh, but like, no, you're not in the woods. You're literally on the other side of that pond by the parking lot.
00:59:00
Ben
no I know, but I just mean like the way that people think about real estate though, like someone who buys a house like that, they want to be in the woods. They want to be in the wilderness, but they maybe like you know, they can't afford it or they don't they have to be in the city or something.
00:59:14
Ben
I just mean like anybody who buys a property like that with those giant mature trees and the, and the coverage and the giant yard, like they are not going want to hear a theme park run all the time.
00:59:28
Ben
They got a, they got a a pruned like apple tree in their front yard, their landscape
00:59:34
Zach
Okay, but I have to then counter that with why would you buy a house that close to a theme park?
00:59:44
Ben
People don't, people are stupid. Like if you buy that, like imagine if you buy the house, like this is as someone who's purchased real estate, you don't think about things until it happens.
00:59:57
Ben
Like if you bought this house, like let's say like let's say it's it was September, right? When you toured, when you looked at this house and it was in the week, it was a weekday and the park wasn't open.
01:00:09
Ben
you probably didn't even think that park had noise. It's not something you think about. And then you move your shit in and you're laying down. You got the windows open. You're like, oh man, I love my house.
01:00:20
Ben
Like, ah yeah, the mortgage is expensive, but like, oh man, it's so nice. You got all this space. And then suddenly you just hear like that first scream and you're just like, oh fuck, what what did I do? And then suddenly it's just, you just ah hyper fixate and you just obsess over it. All you hear are screams all day.
01:00:40
Ben
I'm sure that's what happens in this neighborhood. I'm sure one person's probably attempted to like, you know,
01:00:51
Ben
one person went psycho threatening to like murder their family because of the screams.
01:00:57
Ben
Anyway.
01:00:57
Zach
I mean, that's a pretty sweet location to be that close to the park.
01:01:04
Ben
Yeah.
01:01:05
Ben
Yeah, it's, I mean, it is a cool, ah it's a pretty cool house. It's ah like that neighborhood back there is pretty, it's pretty cool in general.
01:01:17
Ben
Like i I never, for some reason, I've never thought to like look on the street view back there before. But yeah, I just imagine though that those people probably bitch constantly.
01:01:32
Ben
So anyway, a giga coaster, although i guess they're not going to know what a giga coaster is.
01:01:43
Ben
And I mean, if they were able to get all of these other rides approved, maybe it's not so bad. Like,
01:01:51
Ben
because let's see what's like when I think, cause I think they had issues with Goliath. I'm actually curious like how much information they reveal. okay So Goliath 900 feet from the nearest nine hundred feet from the nearest house
01:02:06
Zach
That's what I'm saying. There's like,
01:02:08
Zach
it's at this point, Great America, other than the side that's, you know, bordered by the actual highway is pretty much in a neighborhood.
01:02:21
Ben
Right. No, I mean, I, yeah, I know. I'm just saying like, I'm curious, like in these meetings of people complain, like, is the part going, Hey, here's a map.
01:02:33
Ben
Here's where we're building this ride. And then they have to be like, you know, the nearest residential home is 200 feet away from this coaster. Like, I wonder if they actually go into that much detail or if they just kind of throw the map up.
01:02:46
Ben
And then, you know, the people can say their piece. They can bitch and moan. I don't know.
01:02:55
Ben
But if if this is real, i mean,
01:03:01
Ben
let's do the math here. So that's the left hill. So one,
01:03:07
Ben
Like, I actually wanna see if I can get to see to the exact scale to compare to
01:03:17
Ben
Raging Bull for size comparison.
01:03:21
Ben
Oh, wait a minute. They're building, this would be.
01:03:25
Ben
okay Okay. I see. I see.
01:03:28
Zach
You know what I realize would suck even worse than any of the coasters? If you live that close.
01:03:37
Ben
What's that?
01:03:37
Zach
Just imagine Fright Fest.
01:03:40
Ben
With like smoke and stuff or?
01:03:43
Zach
No, like the sound of the pumpkin king.
01:03:47
Ben
Oh, yeah. Because you can hear that from like that top.
01:03:51
Zach
Speedway.
01:03:52
Ben
Yeah. You can hear it from like across 94 even. Like i remember, I think you can hear it once John and I heard it from like that McDonald's by the mall.
01:04:05
Zach
That's what I'm saying. It's so loud.
01:04:12
Ben
Yeah, so so size-wise, one.
01:04:17
Ben
It's probably like, okay, if this were real, this layout would be like a one, two, three,
01:04:28
Ben
four, five, and then it's break run. So it's like it's like a four bunny hill coaster with a treble clef.
01:04:42
Ben
It looks like it would be okay. Maybe it's real. i mean, if it's real.
01:04:50
Zach
Where did you... me
01:04:55
Zach
Gam World?
01:04:57
Ben
This was on Reddit here. I'll throw it in. I'll throw it in the six flags.
01:05:09
Ben
I want to know who leaks this shit or who spends the time making it. Like if this is just all a troll thing.
01:05:19
Ben
i mean.
01:05:19
Zach
fucking us when we were younger
01:05:23
Ben
Yeah.
01:05:25
Zach
if if we would have had the tools to do shit like that when we were younger and like social media was a thing like yeah like it is now
01:05:33
Ben
was yeah
01:05:37
Ben
Also, this is a long ass break run, as and indicated by the the size of the size of the supports. Oh, yeah, because it's got to go over the midway. It's got to go over it.
01:05:51
Ben
it The break run basically goes over kind of like Rula Dodge.
01:05:59
Ben
But that's those supports that are shown in the image are so huge. so that's a tall ass break run.
01:06:05
Ben
I'm on board with this. I think it's real.
01:06:09
Zach
Okay, I see here. So, yeah, the station's in Mardi Gras.
01:06:16
Zach
Yeah, I see. There's treble clef. um
01:06:24
Zach
Yeah, I think it's real and I'll tell you why. It's going to make that big entrance thing. You know what I mean?
01:06:34
Ben
Yeah.
01:06:35
Zach
And yeah, oh, it looks like it would take up some of that space around Superman. So maybe a little bit of the parking lot.
01:06:44
Ben
Yeah, and also if you look closely, you can see by the size of the supports shown that you can kind of get an idea of like what elements are going to be on the ride.
01:06:57
Ben
So like the...
01:07:01
Ben
Unless this is backwards. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Is this backwards? So I was assuming that the ride would go...
01:07:12
Ben
You know? No. Yeah. Oh, for sure. i have i have a feeling this is backwards. The lift hill is actually what is going over the midway in Ruladage.
01:07:22
Zach
That's kind of what I thought.
01:07:24
Ben
Yeah. Okay. I had it backwards. So it the the first drop is by Superman.
01:07:29
Zach
Because if you look at the orientation of the station and then there's like a transfer track, a maintenance building behind.
01:07:34
Ben
Yeah. Yeah.
01:07:37
Ben
yeah
01:07:39
Zach
so yeah, I think it starts by doing that 90 degree turn to the left or to the right. Goes above the train tracks over the midway.
01:07:45
Ben
Yeah.
01:07:48
Ben
Plus two, plus just from like a visual, like a front entrance visual, um you know, and impression, I think that that'll look a lot nicer.
01:08:00
Ben
too. So yeah, big ass drop. Looks like it probably curves to the right. One bunny hill, kind of a speed turn, and then another speed turn.
01:08:12
Ben
Yeah, treble clef turnaround. And then I guess some bunny hills on the way back.
01:08:18
Zach
That's what I'm seeing is like about
01:08:24
Zach
the first drop between Ruladage and Superman and like flags in front of it.
01:08:35
Zach
And I think at NoCoasterCon they said they're redoing flags, the store there.
01:08:39
Ben
Okay. Yeah. And I did always, I did, i took I do keep reading this whole thing about how they want to like redo the kind of the front plaza and make that and expand that midway.
01:08:56
Ben
So that would make sense.
01:09:01
Zach
Yeah. Well, and they've been, you know, adjusting that.
01:09:07
Zach
Like they built that whole thing. That weird new security checkpoint. Yeah.
01:09:18
Ben
Yeah.
01:09:23
Zach
I like how you can see the flash pass cue.
01:09:28
Ben
Oh, yeah. so I mean, if they're going in that much detail. shit, that looks pretty. Yeah.
01:09:37
Ben
All right. I'm telling people it's real.
01:09:43
Zach
Yeah, this is... I believe it. Because, yeah, if you kind of follow it, starts at that 90-degree turn to the right. Probably a pretty steep lift hill to get you over the train tracks there.
01:09:55
Ben
Mm-hmm.
01:09:57
Zach
And like you were saying, if you follow the size of the supports, I'm going to guess probably, yeah, first drop almost by Superman.
01:10:11
Zach
Going right towards the entrance. That curve near the ground.
01:10:21
Zach
Big bunny hill.
01:10:23
Zach
ah Probably another low to the ground curve. Another bunny hill.
01:10:29
Zach
The thing that seems exciting, right, is like you were saying with all those straight sections, this could be like an airtime-focused giga coaster.
01:10:39
Ben
Yeah. Like on... So after the treble clef, it looks like just by the size of the supports that there would be maybe three bunny hills in that like long straightaway section.
01:10:57
Ben
And then even if maybe they're like more speed hill kind of focused and then like
01:11:06
Zach
And just FYI,
01:11:06
Ben
Maybe it curves up into a taller break run. i don't know.
01:11:16
Zach
that house, I think, is approximately, if you continue the bottom of the full layout one, the line where it says overall foundation site plan, if you continue that to that smaller pond,
01:11:35
Ben
Yeah.
01:11:36
Zach
that line i think that would be approximately the location of that house
01:11:41
Ben
Oh, it even says property line.
01:11:44
Zach
that's what I'm saying I think
01:11:44
Ben
Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:48
Ben
Literally the yeah, the distance between that house and the coaster track is shorter than the size of like the queue line for, uh, dark night.
01:12:03
Zach
That's cool because it's going to cross over that maintenance road too.
01:12:06
Zach
Or that access road.
01:12:07
Ben
Yeah.
01:12:11
Ben
Okay, well, shit, i I'm about to piss my pants.
01:12:15
Zach
Alright, well...
01:12:15
Ben
I have to abruptly bail on this episode, but ah anyway, SifgamGiga is real.
01:12:23
Zach
Yeah, SIFCAM Giga.
01:12:23
Ben
Tell everybody at Sifgam official, you know, bug them.
01:12:24
Zach
It's on.
01:12:32
Zach
As sure as Mount Olympus owner kicks dogs,
01:12:38
Ben
Here's why I think it's going to happen because Marcus Leshock posted a video about this rumor saying that kind of going like, oh, well, Six six Flags did not confirm this. So I don't think it's real.
01:12:53
Ben
So which yeah it's like the inverse Kramer effect. If Marcus is saying it's not real, then that means it's probably going to be real.
01:13:03
Zach
Yeah, wink.
01:13:07
Zach
Who knows, wink.
01:13:08
Ben
They're having them do damage control under, you know, unpaid. So for the park. So I think it's real. All right.
01:13:19
Ben
Well.
01:13:20
Zach
All right, well, I'm glad we are ah back in the swing of things. 2026, here we are. Welcome back. ah It's good to be doing this. Thank you for listening, y'all.
01:13:33
Zach
We'll be back soon with more.
01:13:35
Ben
ah yeah.
01:13:35
Zach
You anything else, Ben?
01:13:37
Ben
No, i um I'm all good.
01:13:41
Zach
Awesome. Well, it's been awesome and we will talk soon. um Thanks for listening, y'all. And until next time, your favorite coaster sucks.
01:13:50
Ben
Your favorite coaster sucks.