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Episode 167 - is Santa ElToroRyansDad?
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This week on the premier comedy roller coaster podcast, Ben and Zach are joined by Dainan (ElToroRyansDad) to discuss Kingda Ka formerly at Six Flags Great Adventure, the fate of California's Great America, the corporate decisions of the current Six Flags (Cedar Fair) company and much more!
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Introduction and Age Perceptions
00:00:41
Speaker
I'm Zach and sometimes it's more than a fart. I'm Ben and it's always more than a fart. I'm Damon and I don't know how I got here.
00:00:56
Speaker
As per the usual with this show. Yeah. ah Well, now it's a standing Christmas tradition, I believe.
00:01:09
Speaker
Yeah, did we do we did this either last Christmas or the Christmas before.
00:01:18
Speaker
I mean, you might as well be Santa, right? I mean, I am, I am approaching middle age and I'm already a self identity identifying bear. So I'm basically Santa in training.
00:01:35
Speaker
Now, hold on a second. I don't want to hear the approaching middle-aged thing because I'm pretty sure I'm older than you. Okay, fine. Yeah, you are older than me. Yeah, let's just walk all that back a little.
00:01:54
Speaker
Listen, when you're gay and in your 30s, you're basically dead.
00:02:01
Speaker
I mean, I think that the that's just like the thirties for most everyone, right? Yeah, I think it's I never believed that for gay people. If anything, I feel like gay people actually live more interesting lives in their thirties and than in forties compared to ah I don't know, like I like I think about all the friends I know back home where they basically died in their twenties. Yeah.
00:02:30
Speaker
I mean, personally, I don't actually believe that saying that if you're you know once you're at your 30s and in the gay world, you're dead. i don't I've never felt that way. In fact, I actually am enjoying my 30s way more than I enjoyed my 20s. I do think that that phrase and that statement has always been within like the twink and bar scene community, which you know Ben and I are very much not that So, I mean, there's, yeah, I, that part's true. Yeah. I mean, in the bear community, I'm still a young buck over here.
00:03:10
Speaker
Yeah. So really it all circles back to the theory of relativity. Surround yourself with older people. You'll always feel
Roller Coasters and Life Milestones
00:03:19
Speaker
young. I mean, my partner of almost 11 years is 20 years older than me. So.
00:03:27
Speaker
like You know, I feel great. Yeah, Dana understood the assignment. I understood the assignment.
00:03:39
Speaker
and And welcome back to your favorite coaster sucks, by the way. Yeah. Thanks for being here. Thank you. It's nice to be had. um I always enjoy being on the show.
00:03:54
Speaker
ah We are an all-roller coaster podcast, of course. yeah We will occasionally delve into the realms of aging and the implications it has. Yeah. We discuss roller coasters and everything else. But sometimes you just have to whip out your coaster count to compare sizes and then we carry on. Not in public. Not in public, they're in public. we should know what You don't want to end up with one of those lists.
00:04:24
Speaker
We, well, speaking of ages, we could dive deeper on the ages of roller coasters that opened throughout our years of enthusiasm. Like, uh, we were just discussing how Intimidator is 15 and Millennium Force was only 10 years old when Intimidator was built. The math eight math thing or hear me. thinking you You're talking about I three Oh five, right?
00:04:52
Speaker
Wait, I believe they're open the same year, right? Yeah, and both intimidators are the same year. I mean, it doesn't matter. Six Flags is going to close all of them within the next two years. You know, I said that so confidently and I don't know if that's true. I think I think. i think they did Yeah, I think that's right. Well, I kind of just blindly follow along with anything you say there. I mean, so Millennium Force was 10 years or 11 years before I 3 or 5? Yeah, because it opened in Millennium Forces 2000 and Timidators 20 to 2010. Cool. So let me make this even worse for you. Magnum was 11 years before a Millennium Force. Yeah. Hey, let's make this really bad.
00:05:45
Speaker
Who was born the same year as Magnum? All right, let's ah move on.
Theme Park Speculation and Changes
00:05:51
Speaker
sorry For some reason, that with ah for some reason that actually makes it better, though. I don't know why. Because Magnum is the best coaster in Ohio? Well, like comparing somebody's age to the age of a roller coaster, for some reason in that context, that seems fine. Like Zach being as old as Magnum.
00:06:12
Speaker
I'm as old as a really good arrow that hasn't been destroyed yet. Same, I'm as old as Viper at Magic Mountain. In my opinion, Viper is the best coaster at Magic Mountain, and that is a hill I am willing to die on.
00:06:29
Speaker
Yeah, it's good. There's a lot to unpack there. Thanks, I've been told that before. Like, did you hit your head on it and forget riding half of the other rides there? I love Viper. OK. And it's been right. And the I've been a magic mountain three times within the last year and a half. And Viper is running friggin amazing. It's so fast, so forceful. It like scrambles your brain in the best way. Love it. I have good news for you about Viper at Magic Mountain.
00:07:06
Speaker
We're hosting a meetup at Magic Mountain. I saw. um So hopefully you can come and hopefully you listener can come out to Magic Mountain. That says Viper doesn't get axed first. Well, hurry up. We're doing at the end of February and beginning of March that weekend. So ah everyone come out. We're going to Magic Mountain. We're going to Knots. Join our Discord for all the deets.
00:07:31
Speaker
Get your rides on X2 and vapor before Six Flags closes them too. Yeah. I mean, we're entering an era where there's going to be no more warning signs. Things are just going to start closing. There's already and word on the street of what Six Flags is planning on closing up in the next year. But, you know, who knows what's true and what's not true? I mean, people know it's true. um Which one is that?
00:08:01
Speaker
Well, Superman's coming down and at Magic Mountain, Superman's coming down and supposedly they're looking at Viper and X2 because they don't want to pay for the expenses to keep them out going. But Viper and X2 shit. Well, what we've learned about theater fair is that it's not um And when I do call Six Flags Cedar Fair, I need you to understand I'm using that as a slur. Um, kind of like the whole president Elon meme. Yeah, yeah, basically. So Cedar Fair doesn't care what happens to any of their properties unless it's Dodge Park, AKA Cedar Point. Um, so I, I, I've heard X2 and Viper are going with Superman. I've also heard,
00:08:56
Speaker
that over Texas is going to get rid of Shockwave and Mr. Freeze. No. Fuck, not Shockwave. That's first of all, correct response. I mean, Mr. Freeze is the second best duster in that park. It's fine, but not fucking Shockwave. That's the thing is like, I want to be skeptical. However, we went through this with King Dica and I was on the podcast. I know you tried really hard to get me on the podcast during that whole time. I was told came to college closing in August by people at the park for those who don't know me. I did work at great adventure. I was a big part of the beginning of great adventure history dot.com. Um, I used to make my own videos around the park and I have a lot of people that I'm still connected with at the park. Um,
00:09:56
Speaker
And I was told in August, or it was either August or September, that car was coming down. And, and I know we all know this now, but it's so much worse than you guys even know, because the park put up a fight to keep keep the car. They tried everything. um Basically, Cedar Fair wanted the, um the maintenance costs for it. And they were able to get the quote for it. Kinda cost about $1 80 per person.
00:10:26
Speaker
per launch and they were able to readjust the budget and make some like future changes to get it down to $1.50 or $1.40. And they're like, nope, nope, still too much. Um, and when, when great adventure really fought against co closing towards corporate corporate's response was, well, we need to cut the most expensive ride. So if you don't close kingdom car, we're going to close out Toro, pick one.
00:10:55
Speaker
So we were losing no matter what we did. And then i heres treating the legacy parks, it seems. um I was complaining about Nighthawk at Carolin, but I fucking needed that ride. Bye. um You know, that definitely checks out because um I remember back to 2019 when they announced Vortex closing at Kings Island and there was talk then that there was an initiative going around Sea or Fair at that time that every park was instructed to pick one ride for removal. Yes. And that's fucking pre pandemic. So. And that's kind of what's happening now because this merger was
00:11:47
Speaker
I don't, I don't know the logistics. I'm not going to pretend I do, but it seems like this merger was more than they bargained for, which we all called. We all called that. I guess that was under the assumption that parks would still be like each chain's parks were still going to be like operating on their own terms. Like that seemed, that's how it was packaged initially.
00:12:14
Speaker
My friends who worked at Great Adventure told me that things kind of started changing like overnight. ah I was at Six Flags Over Georgia with my boyfriend when um they started implementing something. And I heard the employees talking about it with each other. I know one of the things theater fair put in was at El Toro, the operators weren't allowed to run on the platform anymore. That's not to have you know least check restraints Um, but like, I also kept that from a safety purpose ah standpoint, but I've also heard that six flags is looking to, uh, liquidate the parks, which they said they weren't going to do, but apparently, um, they're going to close discovery kingdom and great America in California.
00:13:08
Speaker
Awesome. Yeah, I would like to chime in real quick about Great America, my new home park. um The other Great America, California's Great America, my current home park, which I haven't visited yet. um I know that I've been on a crusade against Six Flags Great America since they canceled holiday in the park.
00:13:36
Speaker
And then we get the news today as of recording that no more Winterfest or a Halloween event or any seasonal events at California's Great America going forward. No way. Done. All seasonal events have been canceled to California's Great America for 2025. I heard, I think, I think that's, I think we know what's coming because. Yeah.
00:14:06
Speaker
I think next season is going to be great America's last season. I'm getting that feeling. How many years was it? well How many years ago did they announce the closure? like Was it really two years ago in 2022? And they said that and they said it would be 11 years. yeah But apparently the demon and something else are closing.
00:14:34
Speaker
like after Winterfest at California's Great America. um And I also heard that Kong and V2 are being taken out of the Discovery Kingdom, which, bye. um But I've also heard that they select America's closing, or they're planning on closing it, and they're gonna wait till the season pass fails, because they can be like, well, your season pass works at King's Dominion just an hour away.
00:15:04
Speaker
um So is that all happening, like rumored within a year or what's the within the next couple of years? I've also heard that they're going to get rid of the Six Flags names from the theme parks, except for the original three. So that like Six Flags over Texas, Six Flags over Georgia and Six Flags over mid America will get their original names and that all the other Six Flags parks are going to drop the name.
00:15:33
Speaker
and they're just going to be like whatever. So like Magic Mountain will just be Magic Mountain, Great Adventure will just be Great Adventure. If we have to Texas, we'll just be if we have to Texas. Which honestly, I don't hate. um If they can, if all the parks get their original logos back, that'd also be really cool. Just saying. um Yeah, I mean, yeah giving the parks their individual identity, if it pans out and they actually pay, if they do it well, that's fine.
00:16:04
Speaker
If they do it well, I mean, we'll see. I i want to but I want to be hopeful for the future. But as a. You know, as a great adventure person kind of struggling with it right now. Well, let's let's this is going to be uncharacteristic of me in this show in general, but let's take a moment to highlight some of the potential positives.
00:16:32
Speaker
So I'm going to start just by saying if we look at what they did for Fright Fest, although they kind of fucked it up. They're trying to really expand on, you know, those seasonal offerings like that. Premium.
00:16:49
Speaker
Well, they integrated a bunch of in-demand IP and all signs pointed to it was a successful run for those parts. So, I mean, that's a positive. I think that means that potentially in the future, we could see more IP integration across the board.
00:17:17
Speaker
I have mixed feelings about that, but I think for Halloween events that works. Cause I've, I've heard other things. I mean, like I said, it's all here safe. I ah don't work for six flags. I have it in 15 years. And when I did, I was just a rides operator and lead. So like the fuck do I know? Right. ah Um, but I did hear that they're looking at can like in the long run dropping a lot of this six flags IPs and keeping.
00:17:46
Speaker
the Cedar Fair ones. So like every Looney Tunes area would become like a camp of Snoopy, but they would keep the Pima's everywhere, but get rid of Looney Tunes characters and that all the DC attractions are going to go. But who knows how true that is? You know, that's just what people are saying. But anything is possible between now and forever. Right.
00:18:11
Speaker
I mean, I also think I'm thinking about like Justice League Battle for Metropolis. Yeah. Could they do more of that, right?
Ride Re-theming and Cultural Reflections
00:18:22
Speaker
I mean, the good thing about Justice League, if they do get rid of the Justice League, feing they have a building already built and a dark ride already built. Re-theming a dark ride is much cheaper and easier than building a ground up dark ride.
00:18:42
Speaker
Agreed. But please don't get the Triotech. No, but that's the other thing. That's, you know, the point with Cedar Fair. I in the 2000s was like the biggest Cedar Fair hater. Still not my favorite, but in like the 20 teens, seeing what Cedar Fair was doing to the former Paramount parks and like really putting soul back into those old parks.
00:19:11
Speaker
was really nice to see. And I love what they've done with notches in the last five years, other than Montezuma. Um, like fairy tales. I freaking love fairy tales. They still take care. Like everything they do at knots, I love other than the way they operate it, but that's another story for another time. Um, and not to bury tales is such a great attraction. So, Oh yeah. and Man. Iron reef was so bad. Yeah. Iron was terrible, but you know, another,
00:19:42
Speaker
point of Iron Reef was that replaced Kingdom of the Dinosaurs, which I think was closed for 15 years or so when Iron Reef went in. Holy shit. Yeah, Kingdom of the Dinosaurs was abandoned for years.
00:19:56
Speaker
so
00:20:00
Speaker
i don't I don't know the actual time. That's crazy. When I a park that small, there could be wasted space for that one. Yeah.
00:20:14
Speaker
Everything's anything's possible if you just believe. Well, I say that and I'm like fucking Tomorrowland at Disneyland, but that's. So what am I when I have best friends, Cameron, he was down in Torrance, California. um And he is obsessed with the people mover, partially because he didn't, you know, has an abandoned.
00:20:42
Speaker
So when he comes here to Orlando and we go to Magic Kingdom, um or if I ever go to Magic Kingdom, I'll always like take pictures of the fuel mover or tag him in it. But we were at Disneyland together. We walked in Tomorrowland, and I pointed to the the rocket rod slash fuel mover track and where Star Trek used to be, like in the middle of Tomorrowland. And I just said, hey, look at this. In Florida, we call these rides.
00:21:10
Speaker
um That's not funny. It's very funny, actually. um it It is very funny. I am a funny person. i um Tomorrowland at Disneyland is no laughing matter, Dana. Hey, hey, hey, you guys have... um It's in serious disrepair. it looks like It looks like it survived the riots and then hadn't been changed since. You know,
00:21:41
Speaker
Tomorrowland is Disneyland has always been problematic in that way. Do you know in the 90s, there is a whole like, there is a whole thing where in like the late 80s, early 90s, all the local teenagers, and this is like Southern California teenagers, so they're all like gang and like claiming turf in Tomorrowland. Oh, that's acting hard.
00:22:07
Speaker
No, it was weird. There was documentary about it. Well, no, that's why videopolis closed. That was why videopolis closed local teenagers and gangs were like causing shit. And then the space stage in Tomorrowland, like with another Hangout spot.
00:22:25
Speaker
um Yeah, it's just Disneyland and it's a little bit local. It's a weird place. It's a very weird place. I love Disneyland. Like I love the park.
00:22:37
Speaker
But the locals there, man, some of them are just. Might as well be King's Island locals. I said what I said. um
00:22:50
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, you're not wrong. No, it's not. It's not like, oh, beautiful Anaheim. No, but, you know, I was Um, when you actually texted me tonight to ask me to record, I was having dinner with, um, my friend Casey, uh, block breaks, the one who made your, your logo. Oh, shout. Uh, yeah. Yeah. Shout out to Casey. She's cool. Cool as hell. Um, and other friends of ours. Um, and we were talking about, um, Oh my God, why did I just feel talk about Casey?
00:23:36
Speaker
They're looking back to me. um Well, since we're talking about Casey, uh, apparently everybody likes her logos and wants to get them. I'm just saying fucking pay her. Yeah. Don't ask her for a logo if you're not going to pay her. That's some bullshit. Don't ever do that to artists. Well, she lives here in Orlando now. Oh, fuck yeah. Good for her.
00:24:05
Speaker
Oh, yeah, we've we had dinner tonight. And I think I think this is our fifth time hanging out in a week and a half. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, no, it's been rad. It's been pretty rad.
00:24:18
Speaker
um
00:24:22
Speaker
Oh, my God, i I'm so tired. I've been up since five in the morning, and it is a quarter after 10 here. um So I'm so I'm excuse me for um my train of thought derailing. Well, um then let me ask you. Sure. How excited are you for Aerosmith to be going away?
00:24:51
Speaker
um So I don't care jack shit about Muppet Vision 3D. That thing can fucking close.
00:25:03
Speaker
um I have no attachment to the Muppets. However, I think like, I mean, I like the Muppets, don't get me wrong. I don't dislike them. I'm just not like a huge Muppets fan. Like a lot of people here pretend to be. Um, I'm genuinely excited to see what they do with rock and roller coaster putting in the Muppets. I feel like that'll actually work way better than people think it will.
00:25:33
Speaker
Well, Muppets in Rock and Roller Coaster. Yeah, Disney. Why is it two weeks ago? Because Stephen Tyler did some stuff with a minor many years ago.
00:25:48
Speaker
And it was revealed in a court case and it was dismissed. It was dismissed, but I think I still believe it happened. Oh, I.
00:26:01
Speaker
Allegedly, it happened and i I would tend to believe it, but. the the The courts have decided as they have either way. I mean, Disney saw that as a great opportunity to wash their hands of Aerosmith. They've been trying to get rid of Aerosmith for years.
00:26:25
Speaker
um They had a big refurb in 2016. I think it was 2016 and Disney stopped selling Aerosmith merchandise. they They phased it out. They removed Aerosmith from the name of the ride and all their legal documentation. So like it's still set on the sign, but like legally the name of the ride was just rock and roller coaster. And then, um, the rumor is, is that when Disney tried to, cause the contractors so but had ended.
00:26:58
Speaker
Steven Tyler didn't want to give it up and was paying Disney out of pocket to keep Aerosmith at the attraction. But um I think like Disney won this time. Now, hold on a second. I'm just connecting threads here, but we were just talking about IP integration at the new six flags. Mm hmm. Connecting some dots and
00:27:25
Speaker
Coming to Cedar Point in 2027. Rocking roller coaster. Aaron Aerosmith. Oh, that is the guy, Top Thrill 3. Yes, it's this Top Thrill 3. Or if they want to get, but if they want to go real budget, just call it like Rock and Rye.
00:27:51
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Rocking Top Thrill.
00:27:55
Speaker
Rock and Top Thrill 3 featuring Aerosmith.
00:28:01
Speaker
Shocking. Featuring Steven Tyler of Aerosmith. They couldn't afford the whole band. No, the whole band didn't want to do it. Yeah, Steven can't afford to hire the whole band because he's paying for the whole fucking thing. I do find it ironic that the Muppet is going from being a show that anyone can go to to the highest higher requirement in the park. I think that's because only adults care about the Muppets now. And you know what? That is absolutely correct. They tried. I will give Disney credit where credit is due. They tried really hard to make the Muppets work and they it did not. I don't think they did. They fucked up with that TV show.
00:28:49
Speaker
Yeah. like they read they and Even adults only like like Aerosmith though too. Like Boomers, it's a Boomer coaster. and Yeah. Well, if people even know who Aerosmith is. Yeah, Aerosmith is like our dad's music. Yeah, I can i can tell you, just from firsthand experience,
00:29:17
Speaker
People not knowing who Aerosmith is and asking cast members at Rock and Roller Coaster if A, this is a real band.
00:29:29
Speaker
Or B, I've never heard of Aerosmith. Those are two common questions that coaster cast members get asked. that Is Aerosmith or did Disney create this band for the ride? Actual questions I have heard.
00:29:44
Speaker
No, this is a real band that does covers of songs featured on the show, Glee. Next question. Oh. How does our time and our culture? I just realized something. Does rock and rollercoaster use a catch car? Sort of. It uses what's called a push a car. So underneath the launch track,
00:30:10
Speaker
um there is another track that the LSMs are actually on and there is a car on the pressure on the track called the pusher car. Um, and there's a set of breaks at the beginning of the track and a set of breaks at the end of the track. And the pusher car goes back and forth along the LSMs. So when at the beginning of rock and roller coaster, um,
00:30:40
Speaker
you could feel the train move backwards slightly. That is the chain dog or the dog claw, depending on who you talk to, um, hooking on to the pusher car. And when the LSM was activated, the pusher car propel the train down the launch track and then just let it go at the end. Um, so those trains on rock and roll sisters, rock and roll sister doesn't,
00:31:09
Speaker
actually connect to the LSMs at all. Those are standard 1990s, Vekoma, of course, screw coasters slash boomerang trains that are just reseen to look like limos. Yeah. They need the new restraints.
00:31:30
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I agree with you, but Disney didn't want them.
00:31:39
Speaker
Apparently when Space Mountain at Disneyland Paris got the new trains, um Paris contacted Florida about putting it on coaster and um they didn't want it. They didn't want to pay for it.
00:31:57
Speaker
yeah yeah And my hearing from Disneyland Paris when they redid rock and roll coaster to Avengers flight force, which I must say,
00:32:08
Speaker
It's a horrible fucking attraction. um the they original The original concept was to have the Vekoma restraints, like the vest restraints, and then they decided against it because as Vekoma said, you don't need them because we designed this. Space Mountain needed them because Disney designed Space Mountain, we just built it. And I think that's beautiful that Vekoma actually thinks that.
00:32:39
Speaker
That's quite a claim. Yeah, yeah. To be fair, when rock n' roll goes through as new, it's pretty smooth. It just, you know, aged like milk. I mean, old Vekomas, right? That's just... I don't know. Par for the course. I mean, those new restraints give fucking new lease on life to those things, though, because Blue Hawk is like... Amazing. It's one of the best rides of the park. Yeah, right? So...
00:33:10
Speaker
It's like a whole fucking new lease on life for those rides. I will say, I i think coaster could benefit from those restraints, but I don't think it
Future of Major Rides Post-Merger
00:33:21
Speaker
warrants the restraint change as much as like an SLC or Ninja did, or even Space Mountain. Space Mountain in Paris was honestly, it was almost as bad as good drinks. It was that rough.
00:33:37
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so I'm just saying, if they're going to do a re-theme of it anyway. I can also see Disney not wanting to spend money if it's not needed.
00:33:52
Speaker
The other thing is, and I don't think this is a reason, but like it probably is, the vest restraints do you have verifies.
00:34:04
Speaker
so like you know, larger guests don't fit, whereas the horse collars that they currently have don't. So if you get the new restraints, you're also decreasing your ridership.
00:34:23
Speaker
That's fair. Yeah. I guess they're not like B and&M where they offer the big boy rose. Car five.
00:34:34
Speaker
I know Car 5 at Space Mountain does.
00:34:40
Speaker
i i don't I don't know why it's Car 5. I don't know why they're not just all the same, but here we are. That's interesting. Yeah. I mean, they're pretty forgiving. Like I've, you know, I'm a big guy. I need the modified seats on B&M's and I've ridden the Vekoma coasters with the vest restraints wearing a bulky winter jacket. So.
00:35:05
Speaker
You know, they're pretty forgiving.
00:35:10
Speaker
All right. Well, I mean, I would just like to see it. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people would. I've I've talked about it with ah friends. Like, see what it'd be like. Better. You have to be better. Yeah. Have you ah have you go ahead, Ben?
00:35:33
Speaker
I was going to say, I'm curious what the actual theme with Muppets will be, though. I like going in. They mentioned like guest stars, too. OK, so it's not like you're going to a Muppets performance or something.
00:35:53
Speaker
um Disney have not released that information yet, from my understanding.
00:36:02
Speaker
Yeah, all I remember them saying was like guest stars. Maybe they vaguely alluded to a music festival. But that may have been spec shoot speculation. Yeah.
00:36:19
Speaker
I like a ton of too your favorite Disney sucks about your favorite coaster. but Well, here's the thing. When you buy a magic key,
00:36:31
Speaker
You suddenly are like, fuck, I've got to like go to Disney a lot to make this worthwhile. I mean, yeah, because they're expensive. Fuck. but Yeah, Disneyland's literally like the most expensive fucking park anywhere for a single day ticket or anything. So when you get a magic key, you go, oh, you got to use this fucking thing. And so suddenly very much more interested in Disney.
00:36:59
Speaker
That's how I feel about my Universal Studios hard nights pass. Because usually by like the second or third night, I'm like already over the event. I'm like, I've done everything. It's annoying. It's crowded. I've done. But then I'm like, wait, how much did I pay for this? I'm going to go every night. ah Exactly. It's like, well, I mean, I don't feel that way about Disneyland because I haven't visited a ton. No. So that's the other thing is it's still kind of new to me. You also want an eight hour drive.
00:37:30
Speaker
Yeah, it's like six to eight, depending on the traffic in LA. But ah our flight.
00:37:44
Speaker
It's not it's not too tough to get over there now. So, so ah yeah, a lot of a lot of sudden interest in Disney, um partially financially motivated. And I'm sure Rand hasn't helped.
00:38:01
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Nope. That's, you know, that's why we ended up getting the magic keys in the first place, which boy, that sale was quick. Yeah. They were gotten like an hour or something. They, they paused the sales after like six days. Oh, it wasn't even a full week. They completely paused them. So we had lucked out and got them. The way that we sell tickets for anything now, it's just upsetting.
00:38:29
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Yeah. Unless you want the top tier pass to Disney world. Yeah. That's always available. I'm just have like, as a culture in general, like, Oh, there's going to be this concert. Well, you got to do a pre-sale and the tickets are going to sell out in seconds. Or, you know, just ah most things that like our events or it's just Hollywood tickets go on sale tomorrow and they're available for 10 minutes.
00:38:59
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I hope you have money now. Like, what? Imagine if Hollywood Nights went to a bitter only ticket sale.
00:39:13
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No. Please, no. okay Imagine if they did a thing where, like,
00:39:27
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If you could book the travel, then you could buy the ticket.
00:39:34
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Yeah. Like if you rent a cabin, right? Shouldn't be able to go. Exactly. Like you're like, Oh, I reserved the the cabin for those dates. Like we have four people. Can we get four tickets for the event? Yeah.
00:39:56
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But, you know, can't have it all, I guess. Now, have you ever tried to do a fucking run Disney? No, thank you. Have you seen me? I'm not running for that.
00:40:13
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But now I've heard about how the ticket sales go for that, too, for people I know who do it. It just sounds ridiculous. It is. And I'm going to do a 10K.
00:40:26
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There we go. I'm already registered for the Disneyland one in September.
00:40:33
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Do you like right on harbor or do you run through the park? You run through the parks. yeah Yeah. So I'm pretty stoked, a little nervous, but I figure if I can run and train here in San Francisco, then it'll be no problem when I get to Anaheim.
00:40:58
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Yeah, I'm hoping. Or, you know, the balloon ladies pass me and I. Still go for a ride. Yeah. Still get my medal, still get my snack box. Look, I participated. yeah Exactly. Look, I bought my very expensive medal.
00:41:22
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Oh, yeah. Real quick on came to car since we moved. What do you think they're going to do? What do you think they're going to do with it? I guess I'll talk about coasters again. What I mean, it's coming down. The whole the whole tower is coming down. Supposedly
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00:41:41
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after the season ends. OK, so not even a refurb, it's like full day coming. Yeah. Which kind of means a top row two is done.
00:41:56
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So I heard, you know, like I said, I don't work for Six Flags. Like I was repeating what I've been told by other people. So I am not an official source and the Skittles be wrong. Um, but I have heard that top bill too is like done, but also apparently it's like the dream they won't give up. Um, apparently with cycling.
00:42:26
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There were, I did not see them cause I do not care, but apparently there are photos online of it cycling and they were real, but that could also be a lie. Um, I did hear that Cedar Point is working with premier to do work for top thrill too. And that the trains are losing the stadium seating.
00:42:56
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Oh, shit. um But who knows? My personal feelings is I would love to see. Top Thrill 2 come down just because I'm angry about keeping the cough.
00:43:17
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ah
00:43:20
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And umm I mean, I'm going to be completely transparent here. um I would be lying if I said King De Ka was one of my favorite coasters. It wasn't even my favorite coaster in the park, but it holds a big place in my heart um for sentimental reasons. And I just want to see Cedar Point suffer the same thing we're suffering with. Because i you cannot tell me and you cannot convince me that Cedar Fair getting green rid of King De Ka was not
00:43:55
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you know, because of vendetta that the park has had against cobbing built. But you cannot convince me that this was just, you know, get rid of it because it replaced, you know, and to it out, you know, Draxter. Like, I'm convinced they found any reason they could to get rid of it, even though they're the same people. Because it's not a God's Park. It's not a Cedar Point.
00:44:21
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Okay, but hear me out on this one, right? If you really want to be fucking vindictive about it, isn't it more torturous for it to be standing there SBNO with them pouring money into it?
00:44:40
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Yeah, I guess so.
00:44:45
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I mean, a gone Top Thrill Dragster is just gone, but Top Thrill 2 is just kind of sitting there not doing anything. Lots of people really want to write it. Eight days, it operated for eight days, and that's including employee previews.
00:45:10
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Yeah, now they're getting a replacement tilt coaster. Don't get me started on that. I really fucking hate when they did the Six Flags of Mexico. It was grimy. I don't get that one. So do you know what happened with Six Flags of Mexico on that? So they were originally filed a permit to build it. They announced they were going to build it. Or they announced they were going to be something, I think. And the city government didn't approve it.
00:45:44
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because they would not approve the park getting rid of X amount of trees. So the park said, okay, we'll figure this out. And then the park came back and said, we found a new plot of land, we want to put it in. And it won't require taking down any trees. And they were like, okay, cool. And before they can get the permits and start building it, Cedar Fair went, actually, we're going to put it in this other park.
00:46:11
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And like, turns out that plot of land is in Sandusky, Ohio. Yeah. Surprise, Saturday. ah God, I hate them so much. um Yeah. So we're going to need you all to ship that up here.
00:46:37
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ah guess you know And if you could send a construction crew, that'd be great. I guess third park's the charm, right? Was that originally for Energylandia? Sure was.
00:46:53
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And Vekoma's like, we don't give a fuck where it's getting built. Somebody pay us. And Vekoma's like, we've already manufactured this shit. The fuck? What are you doing?
00:47:07
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Vekoma's like, good thing we're getting paid every time this thing moves. Yeah, for real. Dude, that's the real winner in all of this, Vekoma. We've already manufactured it. Whatever happens next is on you.
00:47:28
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I mean, i I'm trying to just think about
00:47:33
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What else are they probably going to ruin next to Viper? What are they going to take out of green America? You think demon? I think, green I think, I think demon is safe in Illinois, but I heard V2. Yeah. V2 seems No loss. You have an old Intamin or do you have an old arrow or an expensive Intamin? Well, the Cedar Fair repo team is here for you. Oh, God. Wait. Don't make me say it, please.
00:48:13
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Say it. Fuck. wizr Wizard. Wizard, say it.
00:48:22
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ah so
00:48:24
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Because i don't the i think the i I don't think the park would let them get rid of it. I'm sure the park would rather close the whole fucking park than lose the wizard. Well, how bad did they fight to save King Da Ka? Yeah, but that's true. um That is true. But here's the thing, they were given an ultimatum. They were told if you keep Ka, we get rid of Toro.
00:48:50
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I feel like if great America was told, okay, you can keep wizard, but we're getting rid of raging bull, they'll say, okay, take raging bull.
00:49:01
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Yeah. i mean I could see them maybe doing an ultimatum ah between like eagle and wizard. I'm going to be completely honest. I haven't heard much out of Illinois, other than V2.
00:49:17
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Which is fair. V2 goes fine. If one of the flumes go fine, I've always thought they should remove Ryan Rapids and one of the flumes. I think a rapid is getting removed. Yeah, I don't. it yeah This whole year, granted, I moved in September, but all of my visits, I only heard of it operating once. Yeah. Oh, I didn't think it opened at all this year. I could confirm that, but.
00:49:46
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Well, I know it opened last season.
00:49:52
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And for sure it opened last season, but it was brief, like not even a whole week of operation. When I went to um when I went to Great America this summer, it was the first time in my life I'd ever experienced both Yankee Clipper and Loggers Run being open at the same time.
00:50:18
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And that was, that was a fascinating year. Yeah. mean normally they do It's only like a Saturday. They'll do it like on Saturday, June and July. And that's about it. Yeah. Only like full queues. Oh yeah. so It must've been busy as hell when you went. It was moderately busy. We actually had like the best time at great America. Like it was busy, but I will tell you that park really does throughput well.
00:50:46
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um We rode Viper. Nothing stacked. We didn't stack on a single thing that I rode at least. I was also really sick. When I went to Great America, like I was getting over a really bad stomach flu. Not a stomach flu. A stomach flu I wouldn't have gone on the trip. Like food poisoning. and like or make Some sort of stomach bug. Because my partner and I went to Atlanta. We did six bags over Georgia.
00:51:13
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and um Air Force and some other stuff. And I got like violently ill, like stomach bug ill when we were there. And when I went, we went to great America, I got really ill at Indiana beach the day before. Uh, so a great America, there's a few things I skipped because I just didn't want to like, like, you know, I mentioned it before big guy. Um, I skipped X flight and something else because I didn't want to be squished, but I wrote, um,
00:51:44
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but the park was slammed. However, um, raging bull was running three trains and the line was, okay, this was amazing. The line was to the entrance of the, the, like right under the sign, we went to ride raging bull. but The queue was to the sign, but none of this one queue house or both. None of them were open. It was just going straight through. go Oh, okay. All right. We timed it from the time we got in the queue,
00:52:15
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to the time we got dispatched was exactly nine minutes. Wow. It was awesome. I actually filmed it um because I was like kind of in disbelief watching this. um They only had two attendants checking restraints and they were flying.
00:52:35
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um They were dispatching as soon as the train crossed the list. before the other train came into the brakes. And that's what they did the entire time we were in line. And you can tell like they were cheering each other on and really into it. And that was just the vibe at the park the whole day. like I i know youre you're you know you're from Great America. um As an outsider, I think Great America, as well as Six Flags St. Louis, have the best operations teams at any Six Flags park when it comes to throughput and efficiency. I'm always very impressed with both parks.
00:53:15
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Yeah. St. Louis has been like when I really, if I think about it, St. Louis has always been pretty good. I mean, back in, I mean, this was shit. This was 15 years ago, but I waited in the full queue for boss once like out the sign. Good God. Full length. And I think it was like 20 minutes. What are the three trains? Yeah. That's that's cool. but Yeah. Like great America. We, um,
00:53:43
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Like they, I mean, obviously they didn't roll trains on full, not full throttle, uh, max force, but like Viper was rolling. Raging bull is rolling. Eagle is rolling. Um, because I waited in the queue house, like underneath the station for American Eagle. And I think I waited 20 minutes at the most. It's probably only 15.
00:54:07
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Oh yeah. No, we got in line. It was like over the service road. Also, Eagle's queue confuses me and I hate it. Yeah, it sucks since they built Kidzopolis Wiggles World. Yeah, and they moved the entrance to the stupid Frisbee. Yep. We also waited, we waited a full queue for Goliath and I think we only waited 30 minutes, if that. Dang. It was my first time on Goliath because it's the first time I fit on Goliath since my last, since I went to Great America.
00:54:42
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What'd you think? It's not great.
00:54:51
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ah it's I mean, it's okay. I don't not like it, but i I'm not going to be one of those people who just like jerks off all over it just because it's an RMC. I thought it was kind of boring and Like the moments he did that were great were great, but it was not a lot. And it was also like really fucking rough. And I love rough wooden coasters. Like I love Eagle, you know, um, but a rough wooden coaster when you're a fat guy squeezed into an RMC train is like not fun. No, the trains don't handle it. And what's fun. I remember back and when they were building that ride. Um, yeah.
00:55:34
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arguing with people on CIFF cam world, being like, being like, people don't realize that like topper track is not gonna age. And it's gonna be incredibly expensive to like, you can't just do like, you can't just replace a board with topper track, you have to do like a full reefer. And do the whole track. Yeah. And like, because the thing is, it's not, it's been rough for kind of a while, especially in the tunnels.
00:56:03
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Yes. And then coming out of the top them stall. Yeah. Yeah. But I never liked it. I always thought it was too short and I don't know. I don't like dive loops. The dive, you know what though it's interesting cause it's the only real traditional dive loop that they do at an RMC cause every force kind of has a dive loop, but it's a little different.
00:56:30
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Um, and airy forces dive loop is great, but like the live dive loop was just kind of there. It was weird. I didn't love the style. The style was great. Um, and the original T-Rex is do a dive loop. Raptors. There are no T-Rex. Yeah, that's it. Raptors. All right. You know what? Maybe it's just the live dive loop cause it's really big and kind of drawn out.
00:57:00
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Yeah, but I mean like if when I when you look at I don't know when you look at Goliath on the side, it's like two of the elements are just. Turnarounds like they're just turns and then you have a boring dive loop and then you literally have a bunny hill and a like there's nothing to it. Correct. but being I'm thankful that they did not arm see eagle. I'd rather you have Goliath and arm see eagle.
00:57:31
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I think they perfected Goliath's layout with Jersey Devil and Wonder Woman Magic Mountain. Yeah, OK, yeah, I can see that. I think they went back in and, you know, added the the the third lap that Goliath needed.
00:57:52
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Goliath could have done like a I don't know, like he could have done like a helix or a. or like the, whatever what, whatever the hell they call that, like the kick flip thing that the Georgia one in Georgia cyclone does. Oh yeah. The not Cobra roll, Cobra roll. Yeah. Like something could have done that. It could have done the helix. It needs like one more thing. Yeah. I mean, I wrote it. I got the credit. Um,
00:58:25
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But for the wooden armed seas, because I've never ridden an Outlet Run, I've been to Silver Dollar City three times. I was even there this year. But the seatbelt, like, OK, so fat guy problems 101.
00:58:40
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um I can get the verify on Outlet Run, like I can get the green light on the test seat. But the seatbelts are so short, I can't even get them close to touching. Yeah, them shits are stupid unforgiving for Branson. Yeah, it's ridiculous. um But you know what? It's fine. Whatever. I'm at peace with it. I don't really care enough. It's just a roller coaster. Done. It was disappointing me the first time I went, but like now I just expect it. So I'm like, whatever.
00:59:17
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I'm with you. How the fuck does the park in Branson, Missouri, whose clientele is two thirds in a rascal scooter? and Fucking not like have the least forgiving seat book is like I have a hard time on Outlaw Run.
00:59:34
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And yeah I'm much smaller than me. Yeah, I mean, I'm not I'm not a thin dude, but like I'm not the largest guy. No. And I have a tough time getting that fucking thing. So I don't know why they make it that fucking ridiculously small for a park that's known for cooking things on a skillet that could house an individual. Basically.
01:00:03
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Um, but back to the statement that the wooden RMCs, um, I've written lightning rod and I've written a wild wildfire at Colm Arden. Um, lightning rod has a couple of parts that are kind of unpleasant with the potholes, but like, actually they're fine. Where wildfire, I freaking love. It felt like a, uh, it felt like a real wooden coaster, but it was great.
01:00:32
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Um, so I was kind of hoping that, you know, the American wooden RMCs would also run that way, but they they do not. Um, I do, I did see at IAPA this year and apparently they had them, but I hadn't noticed. Um, RMC is no longer offering the topper track. It's iBox or nothing. Yeah. I think they did that a couple of years ago.
01:00:59
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Yeah, i I was told that I didn't know that until I was there and said, hey, where's the top track? I mean, it was kind of a dumb design in the first place. It's like we don't need wooden coasters that go upside down. Like, no, we're fine. Just like just do a normal steel coaster. Everyone will be fine. No, unless you're a gravity group. Yeah, that's true. sixty But even that didn't, it was a little unnecessary.
01:01:32
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anyway I'm going to circle back around to the entire idea of what the fuck defines a wooden versus steel coaster nowadays anyway. Yeah. Well real quick too. So originally Hades was supposed to have a barrel roll.
01:01:51
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originally, like in 2005 or whenever it opened. like Whenever they went to the park in 04, like the whole concept, like when Gravity Group went to Mount Olympus or whatever, when they were in the talks, like yeah Gravity Group was like, yeah, what we can do a barrel roll.
01:02:07
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and then Yeah, there's even, um, even so I even remember this, there's a in the loop or thrill network podcast from like 2006 or 2005. It's like literally one of the first 10 episodes. It's with an interview with gravity group where they talked about, um, their original plans for Hades and all that with, with the park. No, I mentioned a Mount Olympus. So I just real quick,
01:02:39
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Yeah, owner kicks dogs. I've heard the same thing. Yeah, somebody's got to look into that.
01:02:49
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um fucking um I just imagine they were sitting there designing it and then they got to the 90 degree turn and they're like, this is where the barrel roll is going to go. And then they like clicked one more degree and the the yeah like the software shit it out. And they're like, oh, fuck, I don't think this is going to work.
01:03:10
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Remember, remember in the old no limits game, like no limits, one, if you were like, if you added an extra track node and you got the banking wrong, it would like completely fuck it up. Yeah, it would like turn back the other way and then keep going. Yeah. Oh, my God. Which is like, oh, that's going to be good for the G's.
01:03:37
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Sure, that those that's record. red
01:03:42
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But yeah, I mean. um Yeah, they were they were playing no limits and they were like, oh, fuck. I got to find that interview because it was actually kind of cool in that the way they described it because they were basically they basically said like at a certain point, if.
01:04:00
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The train is in zero. if like if the If the train is in zero gravity, the track is really just there to guide it in the right direction. So really, it's not super difficult to do on a wooden track because it's you don't really worry about it like it being under supported or anything.
01:04:21
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That makes sense, but also I'm not an engineer.
01:04:30
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Well, there's got to be a reason why they didn't do it, but that's what I'm saying. I'm like, it might be. Yeah, it could have been a train limitation that makes the most sense. Yeah, they go back to PTC and they're like, hey, so we want to do a barrel roll and Tom Rabi just fucking laughed at him. That that sounds on brand for Tom Rabi.
01:04:51
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ah like What the hell is wrong with you? Yeah, you want what? Get the fuck out of here.
01:05:00
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Do I know you?
01:05:07
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Hmm. The new one is OK, though. Eighties, 360. Like, I loved it. I haven't been on it, though, in, fuck, over 10 years now. So I have no idea what it's like nowadays. OK, big asterisks here. Timberliners are probably the worst trains I've ever been on, but I yeah do enjoy 80s 360.
01:05:28
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I enjoy gravity group coasters. I would enjoy them more if timber liners died. Mm hmm. Yeah. Why? How come whenever I'm just over new train designs like I've I don't like modern train to like the new one that Gerstler put out and then whatever RMC's concept for new trends, they all look the same. And why not?
01:05:56
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go with, I don't know, it's like too many rounded edges and like weird lap bar designs just like stick with the classics. The new Intamin trains are pretty cool. they they They work. And whoever at RMC brought back shin guards needs to be smacked. Yeah.
01:06:22
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Apparently, um well, that that was added after the Texas giant incident. But those were just large trains, so fucking I'm aware. What are you solving? But apparently, RMC now says that they don't
Pop Culture and Theme Park Integration
01:06:41
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need.
01:06:43
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um
01:06:46
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They're just no one without the shin guards. So I beg you, I beg you, RMC, please, please get rid of the ship guard. Yeah, then let's get them shits off of there. Fuck that. Mm hmm. Yeah, shouldn like shin guards make sense if you have a T-bar. But I mean, those restraints do a pretty good job of keeping your legs together anyway, so. Yeah, and plus they've got like those fucking things are heavy. Yeah. Yeah.
01:07:20
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You gotta like really push down on them to get them into place. So it's not like, you know, I don't i don't ever feel afraid that they're gonna go anywhere. But i I greatly dislike having my legs restricted in that way on a roller coaster.
01:07:45
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it's they're We're definitely not going anywhere. The worst it' i selling the worst shin guards on a coaster are the ones on Wicked at Lagoon. Those those are bad. Really? Yeah, the best way I can describe it is you could like as you pull the lap bar down, a metal bar just digs into your shins and it's basically the the the bar hits your shins before the lap bar even touches your your waist.
01:08:18
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And then the the employee comes around and like tries to staple you and it's just metal bar into shin. leverage is from bdsm shit It's pretty bad, like. Well, listen, you try to design a roller coaster to restraint without ever having a cup of coffee.
01:08:43
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Because Mormon. True.
01:08:51
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mormon they like They like soda and coffee creamer, though. Yeah, they do. They're like, how can we make Coca-Cola even sugarier? I know. We'll add some Starbucks vanilla syrup and then some fucking caffeine ma cafe mate creamer.
01:09:14
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We actually opened a like ah a soda shop that is that is from Utah called swig. And apparently it's a Mormon thing. Like the Mormons created it because they can't drink coffee. But what I don't understand is like, they're able to drink Pepsi and Coke with caffeine in it. I do not know. I thought they could only drink Dr. Pepper.
01:09:49
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as far as caffeinated sodas go. But then I guess, yeah, maybe you're right. They relaxed the rules I thought about maybe sodas, but they're definitely not allowed to drink like coffee. Yeah. Why only Dr. Pepper?
01:10:06
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Why Mormon? Fair. I mean, I don't I'm sorry to answer your question with a question, but
01:10:17
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At a certain point, I can only be an outside observer. Just making observations. Just making an observation, Jesus Christ. Is it because they think he's a real doctor? Dr. Pepper? Yeah, maybe. This guy went to medical school for a long time.
01:10:42
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He did his residency in Kentucky. Fried chicken.
01:10:49
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And, uh, at a University of Kentucky, fried chicken UKFC. That would be great. Um, anyway, Lord. Um, what were we talking about Mormons? Um, well, you know, this is a great opportunity for the second time on this show to bring up soaking. Yeah. Soaking.
01:11:17
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You're familiar, right, Dana? I am very familiar. with I mean, not personally, because I ain't no bitch, but I know what soaking is. And what, okay, wait, what's the name of the friend that helps? This is the hump jump. Oh, what? Is somebody like pushing from behind? No, it's like you get someone to jump on the bed to create like movement on the bed, which creates friction. Cause as long as you're not thrusting, it's not a sin.
01:11:47
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Oh, okay. Yeah, that's perfectly sensical. I think it's called hump jump. So we're talking about like, that they go so far as to use like a a Dutch rudder type thing situation.
01:12:06
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You know what? Maybe you should try it out and find out.
01:12:13
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I don't know anyone who can jump on my bed. Well, some things in life shall be made in mystery. Yeah, and that's one of those things I think you have to go. It's hidden behind the paywall of Mormonism.
01:12:35
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And I'm not buying any special underwear. Nah, I'm busy that day.
01:12:45
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Huh. Did you guys know that the Middle East got a new GCI coaster this year? Real Madrid? Yeah. Yeah. I'm riding it next month. Oh, shit. Nice. ah Yeah. Hi, I'm going to Dubai.
01:13:00
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but And um we're going the end of January, first week of February. Is Formula Russa reopened? Um, not currently, but there's a chance it might reopen while we're there.
01:13:20
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I hope it's open for you. Um, I'm honestly more excited for flying east. Yeah, that shit looks sick, but we'll see if it's open. Honestly, when I do these big trips and like we travel abroad,
01:13:41
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I, unless we're traveling abroad for a specific coaster, like this trip, we're going to like 12 parks. If Formula Rosa is closed, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
01:13:57
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fair I mean, that's, that's one of those things too, where the gamble of flying that far in hopes that it has uptime is such a slim thing. You really got to set expectations fairly.
01:14:11
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Yeah. and And, you know, I've unfortunately have traveled and, you know, I've missed credits before, i missed things that I cared about. Like I went to Japan and when I went to Tokyo Disneyland, Space Mountain was closed for its refurb and now it's gone. So I never got on it, but like, you know, it is what it is. Yeah.
01:14:38
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It was Space Mountain. But Disneyland? Yes. I love Disneyland. I love both spaces. I mean, all of them. There's different.
01:14:53
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There's Good Space Mountain and then there's the other Space Mountain. They're both. Well, they're all good in their own way. i'm I'm only speaking of American Space Mountain because I'm American.
01:15:14
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I mean, so am I. I was born here. Well, I'm not, i I'm not quite as cultured as you. It's a facade. I'm not as well written as you, Danan. You know.
01:15:40
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There are many ways to interpret that statement. Well, you know, open to interpretation. um do it yeah Oh, just, I mean, you could say someone's well read in the coaster world. You could say someone's well written and it applies in a lot of cases.
01:16:01
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Do I always carry poppers with you? See, I always tried to wait to get in the podcast. We carry poppers with you. Yeah.
01:16:14
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You never know what you might need them. That's true. I've had a falling out with them personally. This just this happened like six months ago.
01:16:29
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And I know a lot of it has to do with the fact that you can't find actual like formula. It's all like, you know, I don't want to say fake, but no, I know what you're saying.
01:16:42
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It's not the real thing anymore. Even I've tried online vendors, I've i've gone to Mr. S, even the brown bottle. They all kind of suck now. And then I was like, and then I had this point where I was like, yeah, I'm just done with these. I'm going all natural. Okay.
01:17:05
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And your VCR is filthy now. yeah They'll never be clean again.
01:17:17
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Anyway, thank you for tuning into your favorite culture of sex, where we talk about poppers and what else you throw on me? I mean, we're over an hour in, so if you got this far, you deserve it. Yeah. Yeah. You knew this was coming. Hey, up top. Hey, much like Santa, it's coming.
01:17:42
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I was trying to swing for the fact a really big town. But yeah, no. ah I there was something else I was going to say. And it escaped my brain. um Oh, I wanted to ask you, Danaan, I assume you've been down the bayou.
01:18:10
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Yes. Um, a couple of times. What do you think? And I got evac'd off it. Oh, that's fun. Yeah. What do I think? Um, I have mixed feelings. I still am in full agreement that Splashbound needed to be retired. However, here in Florida, the ride is fine. It's really pretty. There is so much dead space.
01:18:39
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And it's just not executed well here. um I have seen videos of it in California and once again, Disneyland has B and Walt Disney World with their own attraction. Because I don't really love ours.
01:18:56
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in fact I think Splash Mountain was better. And I very much, if you remember, I very much did not want it to be better. Like I was a very big Tiana supporter and very much looking forward to it. And I got off the ride feeling disappointed. I just kind of got off and went, okay. um It's really pretty. It is, it's you know, it's it's good for what it is, but there's so much dead space. And the truth is because of that, the ride,
01:19:28
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doesn't match the energy that Splash Mountain carried through the attraction.
01:19:34
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um So I don't love it, but I don't dislike it. Fair. Yeah. only I've only been on the Disneyland one. oh Big fan. I like it a lot. That's good. I mean, to be fair, I hated Splash Mountain Disneyland. and so
01:19:59
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Now, the drop into the shrinking scene, here that doesn't fucking annihilate you there in Magic Kingdom, right? No, it does not. That is very much um a Disneyland splash thing. that's That's not a feature. That's a bug. And they didn't fix it. That's not a bug. That is just the way the log hits the the drop.
01:20:28
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And that wall of water has always been there. It's it it's worse now. How it was it was literally a wall of water before. But it went up to my head. Yeah. Wall of water. That part sucks. That's I'm going to say that. That part sucks and that screen in the shrink down part with Tiana and Lewis is Bad. No, the screen is stupid. I wish they'd get rid of it. And all the other screens are OK, but that one's bad. I agree. um And then.
01:21:14
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They didn't really do a great job with like everything after the drop. ah do I think the the restaurant is the best scene. Oh, I mean, like the finale after the drop up into the finale finale is awesome. No notes.
01:21:34
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Song is great. Animatronics are great. I thought the what's her name, Olivia? I thought that was a fucking cast member the first time I wrote it. Who?
01:21:46
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I think it's Olivia, whatever her friend's name is, from childhood. Lottie. Lottie, okay. I only saw the movie once. ah and in And they put Naveen and then... Who is that kid playing the drums?
01:22:07
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I do not know. Okay, I'm not crazy. He wasn't in the movie, right? Um, I think the Venus little brother in the movie. Is that who that is? Maybe. I think we've lost Ben at this point. No, I'm listening. Oh, you live. Yeah, we're so fucking in the weeds about this Disney characters.
01:22:34
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I don't. Ben, how many Disney films have you seen? I don't even know, honestly. I never really I've seen the classics. That's about it.
01:22:54
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So have you seen? I know you say you never watched Goofy movie. No. Which is blasphemy. I mean, I might seem wanted to tomorrow. Why?
01:23:14
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Uh, with, there's some family in town with kids. So awesome just an activity.
Coaster Quality and Industry Shifts
01:23:22
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i figure reasons Oh, how far you'll go. I've heard nothing but terrible things about that movie.
01:23:37
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Yeah. The reviews have not been great. Turns out if you try to shoehorn a series into a movie, Doesn't always go good. I feel like movies this whole past year have just sucked. Like every movie I've seen just sucks.
01:24:01
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What's happening? I mean, except for a 24, it's like a 24 is the only one making good movies right now. I do love the movies. I also,
01:24:15
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I am going to preference this with I absolutely despise Ariana Grande. I loved Wicked and I did not want to love Wicked.
01:24:30
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Yeah. I mean, I saw, I saw that one last or a few weeks ago. I get it. I didn't love it, but I get it. no I didn't.
01:24:45
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feel much. I didn't really enjoy it that much. It was fine. That's fair. I did. I did think the casting was good, though. All the all the casting was good. Yeah, performances were all good, except for the. The like the head lady at the school.
01:25:13
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Um. Who is that? Oh, right. Right. Yeah. She wasn't great. And neither was. Fuck, what's his name? The wizard. Um. go one Jeff Jeff Gublin. Yeah, that's it. Yep. Sorry, I'm really tired. I just call him Jeffrey. Like I'm like I'm cool with him like that. Oh, look, I'm not going to presume you aren't.
01:25:47
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Are you right? um You're a homie. Yeah, right. Let me just call him Jeff right quick. did This is too much fucking CGI in that shit for me.
01:26:08
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There I said it. I mean, yeah, pretty much all all of those are. A lot of movies have too much CGI. And I was so fucking long. And then it was like part one and I'm like, motherfucker.
01:26:28
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Yeah, had the same. I had the same thoughts. And then also I'm like, is this a six hour stage show? I mean, at least there was no ah At least the, like the in, in theater singing wasn't that bad or I didn't experience it, but I didn't have any. Yeah. I think I don't think that's been a ah problem. Like people were expecting it to be, which is good. Yeah. I was ready to go walk into another theater if there was a lot of singing. Thankfully, didn't hang I from the audience. Oh,
01:27:10
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i I understood it was a musical going in. I'm not that, it um you know, inept.
01:27:22
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but Here's the thing, right? Musicals always drive me nuts for one reason, and it's because the source of the music is never fucking shown on screen.
01:27:39
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It's just like characters are having a conversation. And then all of a sudden a fucking piano starts playing.
01:27:48
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And it's like, where the fuck is the piano? It was there the whole time. Right. And it's like, OK, so can you just show this fucking piano that's just off screen just for a second?
01:28:05
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I know I'm getting way too worked up about this, but like it bothers me every time I watch a musical.
01:28:16
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What's the point, though? I'm just like, it makes sense. It's magic. Show a fucking radio in the first song. And that's it. That's all I need. Am I too fucking picky about this?
01:28:36
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She's not for you. Yeah. All right. oh But I agree. Thank you for validating my frustration for Ben.
01:28:52
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You're forgiven this time.
01:28:59
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Well, everybody go enjoy Wicked. Did you did you make it to meet the characters at Universal, Dana? No, I did not. I did. I did get a wicked experience um just to look around it. I was probably in there for a total of 10 minutes, um which was neat, but it was crowded. And I also don't like meeting characters if I don't have to.
01:29:25
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Um, so even if they they they weren't in there, but even if they were in there, there was no way hell I was meeting them. Absolutely none. Yeah. I didn't hear a whole lot, but I was reading when that happened that it was a big fucking cluster, basically.
01:29:45
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With like trying to do them. Yeah, it wasn't, like I said, there weren't doing any grease and they were setting up for the parade for Christmas. So like. It wasn't the worst, but it also wasn't great. So so were they just like face characters? I believe so. Oh boy. Just imagine the pressure.
01:30:13
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Like, no, I'm not Ariana Grande, but I am Glinda.
01:30:24
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Tough sell, right? I don't know. Yeah. I heard Bluey is coming to the Disney Parks. Fucking Bluey. Bluey's great. I'll give you a bluey. Whoa.
01:30:43
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um
01:30:47
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OK. No. ah I think my bluey is I've never sat down and watched it just to watch it, but I've seen it in passing and I don't need it. Yeah, it's it's really good. OK.
01:31:13
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Thumbs up on bluey thumbs in the middle on wicked. Well, there's a chance there's already talks that wicked um might be a portal at Epic Universe, but I think that just might be people getting excited. I'm gonna agree with that. Yeah. I don't think there's any chance that that even happens as a serious conversation until after the second one does better than the first one. Then I think there's definitely a possibility
01:31:51
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Wouldn't it be weird if they built a big dark ride with a scene from The Wizard of Oz in it, though? Oh, and we can have it about such different movies at the same time. Yeah. You know what? That would be a great. That would be a great movie ride, don't you think? But what what would you call it? um I think the go fuck yourself. Oh.
01:32:22
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Well, ready when you are, CB.
01:32:28
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To those who don't understand, I'm sorry, but to those who do, you're welcome. You're welcome for this amazing highbrow comedy. Yeah. ah Perhaps we should explain to Ben. No, it's more funny this way. Yeah, OK. Yeah.
01:32:48
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the
01:32:52
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They clear my throat there. Perfect timing. As if on cue.
01:33:00
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So um what else is up? ah Disneyland 70th. Not much exciting happening there. No, but they'll probably have a better 70th than Great Adventure had a 50th.
01:33:19
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Yeah. Return of an old parade, return of an old fireworks show. That's better than um removing five rides. but Let me rephrase that. It's better than removing an entire section of the park. Yeah. I saw that video of the parachute tower. Oh, that hurt. That was. Oh. Anyway, go on. Can we also discuss that?
01:33:48
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Great Adventure closed Zoom and Jaro earlier in the year for budget cuts, and then it's quietly closed the entire structure. So Zoom and Jaro never really got a goodbye either. And there's been no mention of losing the world's total straw tower. Which is feeling speculation that they might do some repurposing, but
01:34:17
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Also, also the permits. Apparently there's no permits to take down CAH or Zuminjara.
01:34:26
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They're just going to do it sneakily in the middle of the night. I mean, hey, if they find a way to repurpose it, cool. I won't hold my breath for it, but that'd be kind of fun. It makes sense. Like if I don't know, just bring Intamin back and do it.
01:34:47
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Intamin will figure it out. Then they can do that extension that they wanted to do on Draxr.
01:34:59
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As long as it's not a dive loop. You really hate dive loops. I think that the worst dive loops and Immelmans I think are the worst inversions. That's why, honestly, Wrath of Rakshasa, it's got two of those. Not a fan. No, you're not looking forward to Wrath of Rock Lobster. Didn't hear about that one. That's good. I like that one. Thank you. Jackie is the one who came up with that.
01:35:33
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I do think it's going to be real. It's going to be rattly as fuck, though. Course it is. Rattle of Rakshasa. Yeah.
01:35:47
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Yeah, what the fuck is going up with B&Ms? Do you have thoughts on that? So I don't really know. I did hear that apparently the Claremont Steel Company laid off everyone during COVID.
01:36:03
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And all the people who are designing and building this field now are newer and less experienced. And that's why the newer products are the way they are. Whether that's the actual reason, I don't know. Yeah. I guess they're like, they're like, all right, piece 62, we're bending this one 17 degrees to the left. And then they finish and they're like. I meant right.
01:36:35
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yeah Yeah, I mean, um, but there's two parts to it too. One is I feel like all B and&Ms have been degrading very quickly and simultaneously. And yeah ones are also bad. So it's almost like, is it track or is it train? I kind of want to lean towards its train because
01:36:59
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How is it that like being at the room they were like B that were smooth for like 20 plus years and then suddenly they got a rattle overnight, like after COVID?
01:37:14
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Yeah. And then there's other ones that have that don't seem to be affected whatsoever. Like Mako is still smooth. I mean, Great America's Batman is still smooth.
01:37:29
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I don't get it. Yeah. And then you have penguin tracks here in Orlando. And they have a night pink after the second launch where when I first wrote it during preview, I was kind of formed with how I already had a rough section. So I don't know if this just the new norm or. Yeah.
01:37:56
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Oh geez, B and M. Yeah. It's just gotten to the point where I don't know, like I all actually have to skip B and&Ms due to discomfort, like. Which is strange. It's strange that like I'm at the point of the hobby where like, no, I don't want to write the B and&M. I don't want a headache. Hulk. Yeah, like Hulk is the ever loaded crap out of me.
01:38:24
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It's also funny that at this time period, like in our lives where B and&M is the rough coaster, we don't want to ride. yeah One of the many things my brain does not compute with.
01:38:42
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I should have been turning 20 this year. Yeah. I just love saying D and M is in decline on the roller coaster subreddit.
Coaster Industry Decline and Future Prospects
01:38:52
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Cause it freaks it like pisses people off.
01:38:55
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and now on the decline where we were
01:39:04
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They've definitely fallen from their place though of relevancy. Oh, for sure. And you know, I wrote Phoenix rising, um, when it was new. And the first thing I said to my friend at the end of the ride was,
01:39:18
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I never said I'd say this, but they should have gotten it. Yeah. Man, 2024 is like a simulation.
01:39:29
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Yeah. It's it's been a rough theme park here for sure. Well, 2025 is going to be no better. No, 2025 is um
01:39:46
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Yeah, it's coming. Yeah, we're going to be plus epic universe and minus a whole shitload. Yeah. And you know what? At least Florida will have one good thing going for it, right? Right.
01:40:05
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ah Well, I mean. It'll be a lot easier to ride everything in Animal Kingdom in one day.
01:40:20
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That's true. I mean, it's really already not that hard, but. Becomes marginally easier. All right. Abrupt change in audio because of technical issues. Anyway, it's not your fault. It's not like it's a ride ride. Yeah. Yeah. i was I was about to say something more specific and I was like, don't say that.
01:40:49
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No, but I have only got an E-vact off one ride this week. That actually might be a lie.
Ride Evacuations and Safety Stories
01:40:55
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I think I've been E-vact off more than one ride this year, but I did get E-vact off Tiana last, like two weeks ago. so That would scare me because all of the platforms look like they're slippery as hell.
01:41:13
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Well, I I didn't think it was that bad, but. You know. Familiar territory.
01:41:29
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For sure, I mean, I. it's It's not like I would actually be scared, I'd be thrilled. No, oops, I fell in the trough. No, just kidding. I mean, it's happened, I'm sure.
01:41:45
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Oh, yeah. Probably in every water run that's ever existed. The key is just you got to make it look like an accident.
01:41:57
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No diving. Head first. Let's go. Yeah, if if you can if you can manage to like clip your arm or flank on the way down. Perfect. Yes, exactly.
01:42:14
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It's a lot of thrashing once you're in the water.
01:42:20
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Anyway, that made me think of a video of um Jurassic Park River adventure at Universal Silence of Adventure. Well, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Where the kid lost his hat and then he's in the fucking water in the track, in the track, yeah getting the hat really in the track and the run out.
01:42:45
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Because the hat is more valuable than your life. And like the boat. Comes like moments after he's out of the track to. I always wondered if that's one of those were like he. Like ducked under the water, if he would have been fine. No, definitely not in the drop, he was being killed. Yeah.
01:43:14
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I'm like. There's no way, because even if there's not a floor on that thing, the boats, the the but pond is not that deep, obviously, because he's just like waiting around in it.
01:43:30
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People, people do not think. so I guess the real takeaway here is it better be a really nice hat.
01:43:49
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It probably wasn't. Where else am I going to get a Walmart hat? Who knows? One of life's greatest mysteries.
01:44:08
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Buy your hats at Walmart. No problem. Buying by the bushel full. All right. All right. All right. um
01:44:20
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Well, this has been fun.
Holiday Reflections and Personal Drama
01:44:22
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Grand, happy back here for celebrating Christmas with us again. Yes. Merry Christmas. Happy holidays. Happy Hanukkah. Happy everything.
01:44:34
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Yes, if you celebrate a holiday, happy that. Yes, but no holiday in the park and no winter fest. Yeah. And if you celebrate holiday in the park, say goodbye.
01:44:47
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yeah We hope you enjoyed it while you had it. Yep. sneak on um You got anything else? Anybody? um yeah Happy holidays. Happy holidays. Happy holidays. I would talk about IAPA, but I'm tired.
01:45:11
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just Um, we can confirm that there was no major enthusiast drama. Not that I'm aware of because I'm not, I don't get involved in that stuff. Um, though some people still have problems with me, but they're just wrong. Um, yeah, I went to the Schwartzkopf documentary premiere at Fun Spot. Um,
01:45:39
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A couple of my friends worked on that project, so that was really cool and a really nice supporting them. um In attendance was somebody who absolutely despises me. um And he was texting people that I was with saying, I can't believe you're with that human piece of shit. um And truthfully, this man's obsession with me is just sad and weird at this point.
01:46:05
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Not even worth saying his name because it's not important. It's just funny. Is it somebody I know? um It's somebody you know about. OK. The guy who tried to adopt me last year because he didn't like my shirt. Oh. Him. Yeah. Yeah. He's still he's still riding the hating demon train.
01:46:26
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um But I'm not going to air people's dirty laundry. I don't have to. um I will say though, he fucked with the wrong person coming after me. um A lot of people turned against him. A lot of people who are, you know, theme park YouTube influencers are turned against him because they also took my side because, I mean, you kind of had to.
01:46:57
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us And maybe, you know, I accidentally got this said person kicked out of the Ace podcast group. Like I said, I'm not the one you come for, bitch. Anyway, that was really the only drama. Well, to be fair, that's not a group anyone should want to be a part of anyway.
01:47:19
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that That's an opinion.
01:47:24
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Um, and it's mine and i own it yeah, I don't, I don't really feel one way or the other. I know that they associate with him. Um, what happened was pretty, you know, the he, the person's a bad person. I don't want, I'm not going to say names. It's not important, but just bad person, pretty, like you know, stuff.
01:47:48
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And Ace's response to me submitting the form, going, hey, this is someone who represents the organization, and this is what he's done, and what he's doing, what he's saying. And their response was, don't engage with him. And I'm like, that's not good enough.
01:48:04
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Um, I'm pretty sure that's their response. If one of their members, Oh, you know what? Nevermind. Yeah. Yeah. We don't have to get into that. Um, I do know that the former president of ACE, um, has told me is a member of our discord. Sure is. He is sure is. And has also told me not to rejoin ease because it's a member. I wouldn't let that one speak for itself too. The fact that he showed up on our discord and is actively discouraging people from joining the club.
01:48:34
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Correct. um Because he's cool. Love the man to pieces. Yeah, he's awesome. I only had disagreements with him in in terms of like the actual mechanics of the club. But outside of that, he's great. And seriously, the disagreement, he probably agreed to see one.
01:48:53
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um
01:48:56
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And then what else happened at IAPA? um i I had to play ditch the Susie's a lot, um, because, you know, I have friends to go there. And then there were other local enthusiasts who I like, you know, nice kids. Um, but I was at one point with my boss and walking around the show floor and some kosher enthusiasts to who I'm friends with who I like.
01:49:28
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Kept trying to tag along and then at one point I had to be like, hey, I am actually with my like actual boss. I need you to leave. And ah ah Jared um from Ace. So I was talking bad about Ace. Now I'm going to talk good about Ace. The Ace podcast, the The Acers who put together the Schwartz Stop documentary did a fantastic job. um I was fortunate enough to get a premiere at Fun Spot. um the night The night didn't go off exactly as planned, um but we all did get to see the film, which is beautiful. And eventually, I believe it'll be on YouTube next year. um Our friend Scott,
01:50:24
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Um, filmed my other friend, Nick, uh, worked on it. My friend RD worked on it. Um, it, it was just really well done. I never used short stop fan. So I cried. Oh shit.
01:50:39
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and he is there Yeah. Yeah. Okay. and My, my Zen caster reset, but it looks like I'm still in track. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay.
01:50:50
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ah Yeah, Shouts, that movie looks great. I want to see it. Yeah, it was fantastic. Scott's awesome, he does great work. It was it was more exciting than the Arrow documentary, I'm going to be honest. And I think a lot of that was just because a lot of Arrow's history has been readily available, where a lot of this history with stuff I as a superfan learned.
01:51:14
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um And then at the Ace booth, ah Jared Holiday, who's a Orlando local, um made a model, a working model with an actual um you know block system. And I'm going to shamefully plug my son here because I am El Toro Ryan's dad, after all.
Schwartzkopf Documentary and Event Recap
01:51:36
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um I filmed it. My friend, my buddy Brandon filmed it. We filmed the video for El Toro Ryan.
01:51:42
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Um, of the working model where I interviewed Jared and we talked about the blog zones and how it works. Um, and that was cool. And I had a lot of fun fun playing with the model. Um, so that video is on YouTube. Um, yeah, I Apple was, was nicest year. It was a very chill year. Um, which was good. I saw a lot of people. Um, like I said, the documentary was a lot of fun. Um, about the documentary, I have a question. Yeah.
01:52:12
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Do they talk about what he was doing between 1939 and 1950? They actually did. How in depth? In depth for me to be able to confirm with you that he is not an Aussie. Okay. Which was very refreshing to learn.
01:52:39
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yeah Let me tell you, me let me tell you, you got me fucked up with that shit. but Well, I mean, there's not a lot of there's not a lot of information like you were saying. Yeah, specifically before like 1960 ish.
01:52:57
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About what my man's is doing. Other than his father, father owned trains to transport circus equipment. That he did.
01:53:11
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So, I mean, it's pretty easy to draw your own conclusion there.
Cynicism, Farewells, and Thank Yous
01:53:24
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We're safe. He is not an athlete. I'm excited to be proven wrong. Now, ask me if I actually remember what he was doing. I don't, but they do talk about it.
01:53:37
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And I can confirm that what is said in the documentary is kosher. Oh, yeah. No, I wouldn't I wouldn't put it past the team there to be incorrect. Correct. And if he was a part of the. That party that no one wants to join, well, actually, unfortunately, a good chunk of Americans think that they, you know, they're joining it, even though they don't only think they are. Losers want to join it.
01:54:07
Speaker
Yeah. Well, those fucking losers elected a big fucking loser to be our president next year. Um, I'm just using, I'm just being cynical and using dark humor to get through the next four years. So don't mind me. Um, are you and answer I was called, I was called a leftist loony at IAPA by someone I used to be friends with. Um, so that don't be a loser, be a smarty coming. Oh, Oh, okay. Mel Brooks. We all know the quote.
01:54:37
Speaker
Yeah. Well, you guys are. Yeah. oh Oh, Ben's having some issues. Let's let's close it up. Yeah. I'm tired. It's late. Okay. I got you guys now. All right. Well, did you guys hear me? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Weird. All right. Cause it keeps saying I'm offline, but then it keeps bringing me back in. I don't know what the time we're still going. Okay. That's good. The recorder.
01:55:07
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Yeah. And while we're all here, we might as well wrap it up. Right. um Yeah. Dana, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me. Always a pleasure to hang out with you guys. Yeah, for sure. Definitely. um And thank you all for listening. Hopefully enjoyed it. And if not, this has been Ride This One.
01:55:34
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Just kidding. They're dead. They're not dead. The show is. wow Well, nobody's heard from Jordan in a long time, so.
01:55:48
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If he's still listening now, if anybody from ride this one is listening right now, send us an angry tweet or something. You know, Nathan. um Nathan was here.
01:56:02
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He was in Orlando and I sat on social media and I actually haven't said anything to him because we really don't talk like we talk, but like not regularly. Um, I thought I saw him at toothsome when I was at two summit universal last week and I was pretty sure he was sitting next to the table next to me.
01:56:25
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And I looked at him and I thought he saw me and when he didn't react, I was like, Oh, maybe it's just someone who looks like him. And then on Facebook, the next day I saw that he was a universal. So I don't know if he didn't see me and I'm just a bad person for not saying hi. So Nathan, if you're hearing this, call me.
01:56:51
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Yeah, yeah, Slater could get your shit together so you can come back on our podcast.
01:57:00
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And by that, I mean metaphorically. Well, oh, I i was just saying, I don't mean metaphorically, I mean, he needs to get his fucking microphone and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:57:19
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Fuck. ah What were we talking about? I hope they're all doing well. I think we're closing up the show. We sure were. I hope everybody over at Ride this one is doing well. Much love to Jordan Slater and Goliath.
01:57:36
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And shit. That's all. That's all we got today.