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Episode 175 - Albino Penis Envy
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This week on the premier comedy roller coaster podcast Ben and Zach discuss Six Flags Magic Mountain and nostalgia, Cedar Point and the importance of building rides and how Falcon's Flight changed the roller coaster world plus much more!
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Introduction and Humor
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I'm Zach, and if I'm not acting stupid, then something's probably wrong.
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I'm Ben, if I'm not acting gay, I'm straight. That makes a lot of sense.
The Straight Coaster Club: A Discreet Phenomenon
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As the founder and president of the Straight Coaster Club...
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I promise this will only go on for like another week and then it's done. Until you get people registered.
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Yeah. Suddenly all the messages come in Like, how do I join? do I, uh, I really believe in the group's message. It's weird that to see a coaster club that advertises how discreet they are, but you know.
The Impact of 'Heated Rivalry'
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this It's like a all the it's like the response cultural response to heated rivalry. right like i think heated rivally rivalry being one of the most popular shows right now, I think
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Straight Coaster Club is the perfect pairing to that. That's what you're watching on the bus. Have you seen have you seen the heated rivalry? I have not.
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oh it it's I think objectively it is good, but it is very gay.
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But it's good. It's the same guy that did Letter K and all that. Or short. So it's like the writing, the story, the production, it's all like, it's actually like pretty legit. It's it's pretty good.
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It just happens to follow. Did you ever catch a feel for your boy?
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Do you know about the storyline at all? You said it was very gay and it's the guy from Letterkenny, so that's all I could think.
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it's ah It's a story about two closeted gay hockey players that fall in love on opposing teams.
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Yeah. All right. Yeah, I mean...
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Like pro or...?
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Yeah, yeah like the like a fictional NHL. They're the two star players in the league as well. So like yeah in you know the optics of the league, they're like the two best players in the world.
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And they're you know ah a rivalry behind the scenes. They're fucking once a year. Oh, scandalous.
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Yeah. It's not bad. It's actually... it's think Craig watched like four times. Oh, okay.
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Everybody was watching it over the holiday break. But... Yeah.
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So...
Streaming Strategies: Rotate and Binge
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I have been out of touch since long before.
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Yeah, well, it's weird. its This is kind of the only recent show that's had this sort of a cultural effect, I think. Other than maybe White Lotus. i don't know.
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Which I also have not seen.
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i think I'm just bad at watching TV. that would i mean, that's fine. I never was in ah any of those shows until... um Until recently.
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Like, i remember after COVID, everyone is into euphoria.
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Yeah. that one Yeah. But I also haven't seen that one.
00:04:08
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Yeah. Same. I saw like two episodes of it. I was like, this looks stupid. The most recent show I've watched was long story short.
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I don't think I know that It's an animated show from the guy that did BoJack.
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Okay.
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It's really interesting with the way it plays with format. It's about this family... And it's like, it just shows various vignettes of moments of this family or members of it, but it's not linear.
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So like, there'll be a scene from like 93 and like the main characters are kids. And then it goes to like 2015 and that character is talking to their kids and you know, it's, it's interesting.
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Okay. it It got renewed for a second season. So I think that's coming out this year. The first season was last year. i dug it.
00:05:26
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Uh, Netflix o thing. Okay. Nice. But like, I'm trying to do this thing now where like we rotate what service we're subscribed to.
Rise and Fall of Streaming Services
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Yeah. Cause now with all the, it's all bullshit. Cause now it's basically the circle. Yeah, exactly. But the nice thing is you can rotate. so like if your show comes out, you wait till all of them are out and then you just do the one month of that service and binge them.
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Unless you like are one ah like you really need to see the show at the time it you know uploads. But like, I don't know. Severance will come back and then it's like, I'll just wait till all of them are out and just binge it in like a week. Yeah, that's good idea.
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That's like, um I just hate... There was that little bit of period of when like Netflix was $5 and it had everything. Remember there, it literally had everything.
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It was like the best thing ever. was like, why would I ever? And then they invented Hulu and everything that wasn't on Netflix was on Hulu. So like, yeah, it's like, okay, I can get another one. Cause like, then it's totally everything.
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There's shit on there that wasn't on Netflix and you're like, holy shit. I didn't even know i wanted to watch the facts of life. But yeah. Yeah.
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yeah And Hulu was good when you wanted to see a new show, like a new episode that just came out. It'd be like, fuck. The Cleveland show. Yeah.
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And even you didn't even have to really subscribe. They had like an ultra free version that just had regular ads. Yeah, dude. Hulu was legit when it first launched.
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Yeah, like in and then probably around, i remember in 2013, think, I remember correctly, It was what House of Cards and Orange is the New Black were like the two streaming oriented produced shows. Yeah, du and Orange the New Black was like then really good back then.
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Yeah, the first season was actually pretty good.
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But like it really fell apart hard from that the end.
Netflix: From Innovator to Reality Show Haven?
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Yeah. And that was kind of the end of streaming services. Like, that kind of was the downfall because then um
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at that point, I think it was still maybe like $10. ten bucks Well, and there was like quality control on the content. Now they're like, yeah I guess... um Mr. Beast does a squid game show.
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they're like, yeah, cool. They're like, I guess Randy Quaid can do Christmas Vacation 3 where he's the lead as Cousin Eddie.
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Good. Sold. Green light.
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Yeah.
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And then they started taking a bunch of shit out. really like That probably happened. I mean, I guess it's been probably a ah while now. But when with Paramount Plus and that was all what? Yeah, everything's within the past like yeah five, six, seven years.
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And now Netflix doesn't even have like regular shit. It's all their own shit. a lot of it's not even good. Most specific reality competition shows.
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where it's like the world's best fentanyl bit cake baker. It'd be like, these these people are all addicted to fentanyl and also bake.
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Who can make the best cake while high on fentanyl? you're like, this is a fucking eight episode reality show. What is happening?
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Yeah. It's all slop. I swear to God, like, how do we get a pitch meeting?
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Yeah, I don't
RMC vs. Superhero Movies: Has the Novelty Worn Off?
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even know. but here's So here's a question, though. to Circle back to Coaster. Are RMCs the equivalent of, like, Netflix and AI slop?
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um No. I'd call them more, like,
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superhero movies
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when they're rare that's good way it's like whoa these are awesome but then when there's like 16 of them in the summer you're like i i just i can't anymore i don't give a shit about this
00:11:06
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Yeah, and I mean, I get it because there's going to be comparisons. I know B&M was the same way. Arrow was the same way. um i get it. get it's not exactly fair, but i think... But let's let's i love think for a second here because RMC really hasn't been building a ton recently.
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No. They kind of did all of the projects they could do, and then for some reason the market just doesn't have any work hold on which is kind of weird there's kind of a big elephant in the room the boss what's that yeah although honestly i kind of hope they don't touch that one i have a ive i kind of have a love well i guess we got to talk about fucking enchanted parks
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Yeah, I don't even know what this is.
Enchanted Parks Expansion: What's Next?
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like I've seen like YouTube thumbnails, but i I don't even know what the fuck this is. First of all, welcome back to your favorite Coaster Sucks. We're an off-roller coaster podcast, where occasionally we'll delve into ah the ups and downs of streaming and the world of post-art content.
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ah Getting back to the discussion at hand, and um as far as I understand... Enchanted parks, aside from being a very AI sounding Disney ripoff,
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um
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they're acquiring a handful of parks they've filed trademarks for. And they literally are just going to call them enchanted parks. And then the name of the park.
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mission Okay, so there's yeah Michigan's Adventure. So the Enchanted Parks, Michigan's Adventure.
00:13:02
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I'm assuming... Is that Six Flags St. Louis? Louis.
00:13:08
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Weird. Okay. And then the rest of them are like water parks.
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Yeah.
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I wonder who owns Enchanted Parks. I mean... That's a good question. Kieran Burke, that you?
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Is it tied to Six Flags?
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well that's kind of what I'm wondering. Is it like the the old Premier Parks people, the but the previous Six Flags? That's what I'm saying. Kieran Burke, is that you Fucking Daniel Schneider, that you You know?
00:13:54
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Go back through the history, right? Like Jim Reed Anderson, that you?
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Huh.
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I mean, it makes sense to have kind of a, like almost and like a little bit of ah a collection of smaller, i guess they're not niche parks, but like it does make sense to have a smaller operator.
00:14:21
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but I'm surprised about Six Flags St. Louis. Does that mean that that park is not profitable if they are if Six Flags is selling it?
00:14:34
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My guess is that, okay, so we all know kind of a joke at this point.
00:14:44
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Capital investment is was generally non-existent at St. Louis, like, coaster-wise, because they built Evel Knievel, American Thunder, now, in, fuck, 2008?
00:15:04
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Right? And then they didn't add a coaster other than that boomerang, which was relocated from Texas, until,
00:15:15
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good golly, Miss Molly, when they add that Junior Vekoma racing thing last year? 24, 25? twenty four or twenty five um twenty four Yeah. So you're talking what?
00:15:35
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Almost 15 years? No major capital investment?
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My guess
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is that
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They installed the pair of ah
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Piscetti bowls, which they decided to call Kid Flash.
00:16:11
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Kid Flash. Right at Georgia and Fiesta. And those were, you know... But my guess is those actually moved the needle despite being failures in terms of ah ROI.
00:16:27
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Like attendance wise or something. Whereas the Vekoma Jr. that went to St. Louis and I can't remember the name of it probably didn't do anything.
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And it didn't matter then. But then, you know, the new, the newly formed merged company is looking back through the years of financials and going, well, fuck what are we going to keep this property that's not, we put a coaster there and it didn't move the needle.
00:17:10
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Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, because water parks and Michigan's Adventure, and I guess I could see this for St. Louis or even Six Flags America, are those types of parks that will always have the same amount of people coming through the gates year after year, no matter what they build or don't build.
Amusement Park Management: Dynamic vs. Stable
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And so it kind of needs a different so it needs a different type of management. than say a park like Cedar Point or Great America that needs to be super dynamic and always growing.
00:17:48
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Right, yeah. And the other thing to think about too is that like really think about their portfolio of properties. They're what, like 40
00:17:59
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That's a shitload for an industry that can, that's so specific regionally. Right?
00:18:13
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Because like the operations of one park to another, even if they're in the same general region, can vary greatly. And the clientele and the traffic flow, you know what I mean? And so like managing fucking 40 of those,
00:18:37
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that's a tall order.
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So I think it's probably a cut the losses or the, yeah. Like, and and what, it the like,
00:18:53
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we don't really know what they envision the brand identity being going forward, or you know, but that might clue us in a little bit.
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in that right if they're getting rid of st louis and michigan's adventure in these water parks then it seems like probably they want to focus on big roller coaster thrill parks places that already have that established identity sure sure places that have the potential to right
00:19:37
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yeah and that line of thinking kind of makes sense with um with even a park like Valley Fair or Elitch.
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That's what I'm saying. Those have more potential in my mind to become roller coaster regional destinations more or less than certainly Michigan's Adventure.
00:20:06
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st Louis is kind of interesting.
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Like, Michigan's Adventure, I feel like you're so close to Cedar Point that there's no point in them investing anything because it's not going to do anything.
00:20:25
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Yeah. that park does well on its own anyway. it's a It's basically a park with a It's like a company picnic kind of park. Right.
00:20:36
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But it's going to sit where it sits at. Unless... yeah I mean, they spend who knows how many hundreds of millions of dollars completing a full loop and filling out the park with like attractions.
00:20:58
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But again, that seems like a huge financial risk when you're couple hours from Cedar Point.
00:21:06
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Yeah, and the fact that they've never done that so far means that I mean, i don't see the I don't see anything changing for that region of the state. and Yeah, i just I can't imagine
00:21:22
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huge major capital investment going into Michigan's adventure. but like i feel like it's kind of in the spot it's in, which is why they're getting rid of it, right? It's like, yeah, it makes money, but it makes what it makes.
00:21:37
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There's no way to invest in it to make more.
00:21:41
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without potentially fucking Geago Lake in the whole thing. Yeah,
Amusement Park Memories: Humor and Highlights
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right.
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So they're probably like, well, instead of trying to dump, you know, $900 million dollars into making this park big and competing directly with Cedar Point, we can just hand it to somebody else.
00:22:10
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And if they want to spend all that money, try to so compete with Cedar Point, go ahead.
00:22:16
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But that's a huge gamble, you know.
00:22:23
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Also too, I forgot that it doesn't have a ah ah full loop. Yeah, it's kind of like an L shape with a little bit of a thing at the top.
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Yeah.
00:22:44
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I got so drunk there last time I was there in like 2012. Yeah.
00:22:50
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I need to get there again. Well, I mean, my wife does. She needs the credits and I'd love to get back on Shivering Timbers.
00:23:03
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Getting the credits and leaving. I mean, honestly, it's not a bad day trip from Chicago.
00:23:10
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no And is like there is something fun about going to a small park like that where You're not, it's like your your day at the park is not just some big checklist, so you kind of can just relax and have fun.
00:23:28
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i i had I always had fun here. i feel like you can also get through the whole place in like two to three hours tops.
00:23:38
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Yeah. Well, yeah.
00:23:42
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So last time was there in 2012, I literally were in the last row of the parking lot. Oh my God. Because it was so full. That parking lot does not mess around either. Because it's the whole length of Shivering Timbers.
00:24:01
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Yeah. and um
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yeah it was like It was a Saturday in August and it was like a company buyout kind of day. The place was slammed. And ah an old Cedar Point, a friend of mine, we like drove out there. Dude, that was a wild trip thinking back on it. We went to like a thrift store and bought. We were like, let's just buy like the dumbest shirts we can find.
00:24:28
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And then we got super drunk in the parking lot. And we waited an hour and a half for the SLC.
00:24:39
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And then afterwards, we weren't thinking. We were kind of just planning on sleeping in the car and waiting to sober up. And he's like, oh, actually, he's like, oh there's this like girl I've been like, I kind of know. I've fucked to her a couple times.
00:24:55
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She lives nearby. And so her like mom and her came to the parking lot. She drove my car. And then we went back to her place and it was in a trailer park.
00:25:12
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So i and I'm ah sitting on the floor of a living room in a trailer and it's this girl and my friend are in the room they break the bad
00:25:28
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I'm sitting out in the living room with like I think her like a roommate and then like her mom and then then some other neighbor girl. And I didn't know him. I just met him and I had been like heavy drinking all day. so I'm kind of like exhausted and sobering up. I don't even know why I'm there.
00:25:45
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and then like the bed breaks, and we all just start laughing, but it was super awkward. And then, uh, yeah. Memories. Good God.
00:25:58
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That's definitely some drunk movement. break the bed and shit. Just the idea of like, you're somewhere outside of Muskegon, Michigan. Too drunk to drive in a trailer park.
00:26:20
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Outside of a trailer.
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Yeah. And then like, A girl and her mom comes on like a recon mission to save our car and pick us up. she
00:26:39
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I remember I went on on a trip there Michigan's adventure with the our buddy. And for some reason we got a hotel room. I don't remember why.
00:26:55
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to go for two days. Wasn't it? I think I remember that because I was supposed to go and the ride was down. so you had to stay the next day or something.
00:27:06
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That's right. Yeah, it was for the SLC when it opened. ah But I already had the credit from Geago Lake.
00:27:16
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But yeah, we we stayed at a hotel that was like not even super close. It was like 20, 25 minutes away
00:27:27
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I don't know why we did that. Because that was definitely like the drive to and from Chicago was definitely not more than four hours.
00:27:46
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I'm going to closer to like three, maybe even two. Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:57
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so i think i remember I think I even remember you guys called me on that trip. And you're like trying to make me jealous. And I'm just like, i don't know. It's just an SLC.
00:28:09
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And Eric was like, no, like you don't understand. yeah well, i I don't know how much I tried to make you jealous. I think I was just more like, dude, you should be here. Yeah.
00:28:23
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We drove all the way to Michigan for an L. S. L. C. You should have been part of this.
00:28:30
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just
00:28:33
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And what's funny about Muskegon is that it's pretty much. i always forget that it's like directly across the lake. from Yeah, you can only put your car on a ferry.
00:28:45
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Yeah, it's like 150 bucks if you use if you do the car thing, which is a lot when you're you know in high school. But it's... a What is this? in Yeah, 83 miles across.
00:29:05
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I feel like it's probably slower, though.
00:29:11
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Yeah. The ferry? um I think it's okay two hours.
00:29:21
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But to drive it, it's would drive it it's probably like three and a half. Yeah, I mean, okay. But that's from Milwaukee.
00:29:31
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Yeah. cause that Yeah, that's the thing. It's from Chicago. It's like, yeah, you can go up to Milwaukee, but then you got to spend the gas to get to Milwaukee.
00:29:41
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Or you just drive straight there.
00:29:46
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Yeah, and once you're out of like Gary, there's no real traffic anything. Yeah, right? You get out of Chicago and the Chicagoland area, and it's like, okay. You're not going to Detroit.
00:29:57
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Not that there's tons of traffic there, but you know.
00:30:02
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Yeah.
00:30:05
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I remember, actually, that's another random memory. ah We were on a family trip the first time we ever went to Cedar Point, i think in 2000. and So our family, we took a road trip to Ohio and we're 94 and 90 split.
00:30:23
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I think we stayed on 94 accidentally and we ended up going to into Michigan because it's like 10 minutes away. um and so then we were like, oh, look, we're accidentally in Michigan. Like, let's take a picture. This is our first time here.
00:30:40
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In front of the Welcome to Michigan sign. I fucking did that shit when I went there in like 2012 or 13. Went
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when went on to 94 at the split. was like, oh shit.
00:31:00
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Yeah.
00:31:04
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Yeah, because then even... The turnpike starts. Yeah, the the Ohio or the Indiana part. I always forget you can do.
00:31:19
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There's some way to do it where you can not or you can avoid the tolls of Indiana and you like come down through Ohio.
00:31:31
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i remember doing that with this. ah a fre like an egg there's I had a co-worker I worked with and She was like, I'll drive you to Cedar Point and I'll go hang out with my friend ah for the weekend. And she's like, oh, I know some way to get there avoiding the tolls.
00:31:49
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But it added like an hour. So i don't know if this is worth saving the $10 to do this, but. You're spending more than $10 in gas. Isn't that different? Yeah.
00:32:04
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Yeah. Or like that... ah Or like driving with Jerome. it was like, oh i I have this route on it from MapQuest that'll save like $1.50 total. Oh, yeah, where you take like 800 different redneck-ass back roads and go like, where the we? Yeah, it's like a...
00:32:29
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Yeah, there's like a stapl there's like a packet that's stapled with like all these different directions on it just to avoid like a single toll. The type of route where now Google would be like, are you sure you want to go there? this Yeah, there's also that ah that big one on where you take 41, think, instead of 94 to go to Gurney. That one's fine.
00:32:58
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that Yeah, that one's not too bad. That adds like maybe 10 minutes. If you're going to Great America, it's it's just as easy.
00:33:11
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That's a blast from the past right there, man. Because lived in Waukegan for several years, as you know.
00:33:20
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Yeah.
00:33:24
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Also that um going, i also remember driving from your place or Eric's place to Great America trying to avoid tolls. Yeah, you could do 94. Because it turned into 41.
00:33:41
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But to go to Six Flags from like your place, isn't there a way you could you could avoid 294 altogether? Yeah, you'd have to go basically you'd have to take the streets all the way to 94. Yeah.
00:33:54
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Oh like yeah, that's right. Where my parents live was closer to 294.
00:34:02
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so you'd have to like go out of the way a bit. Like, cause you could get right on the highway, like about a mile from my parents, but you probably have to drive like four or five miles to get to the the highway on the streets.
00:34:23
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Over 94. You do that. You know, it adds an extra 15, 20 minutes. And then, because the thing is, 41 has stoplights in Illinois.
00:34:44
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So you add like an additional like 15, 20 minutes potentially
00:34:51
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over the toll time. So yeah really by the time you get to six flags from like where my parents live, you're adding like 40 minutes.
00:35:05
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Oh, there was another total freeway to my parents place. You could take 21. twenty one
00:35:15
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I'm not going to blow up the spot on where my parents live on a podcast, but we'll just say Illinois 21 and we'll keep it vague.
00:35:27
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Cause, cause I think referencing all these things is like kind of already triangulating it a bit.
00:35:35
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True, but the area we... True, but there's probably like 5 million people in the area we've triangulated. Yeah, there's there's definitely several hundred thousand just in... it like Yeah, yeah. So I'm not super worried about it.
Theme Park Food Prices vs. Fast Food Inflation
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um But either way, anyway, um point being, yeah, you could take 21 all the way, which is just a road with stoplights and shit.
00:36:08
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all the way up and it would take you directly to um, the park.
00:36:25
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You'd go, as you were approaching the park, you would go over 94. ninety four Yeah, that's right.
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Um,
00:36:40
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all the save like what three dollars yeah right although I remember doing that drive and then cause along that route you go from cook county to lake county right cause great america's in lake county and that's we'd stop at that speedway
00:37:05
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cause the cigarettes were way cheaper
00:37:09
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Yeah. Yeah. There was a point where cigarettes in Wisconsin were like two bucks cheaper. yeah like And they weren't, so and they weren't fire safe. Whenever I went to Wisconsin, I got them, but I also remember like, you'd be like, you should just go up there and get them.
00:37:28
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But it's like, you'd have to drive like another 20 minutes North from great America.
00:37:40
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Yeah. And then at that point, I'm like an hour away from my folks place or more.
00:37:55
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I mean, yeah, it's another way to save like a couple of dollars at a time. But the, uh,
00:38:06
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It's different when you're like a teenager, the money's different.
00:38:14
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Just like walking to Burger King to not spend like $12 on a Six Flags Back when that actually made a difference. Because we've had that yeah that conversation here before.
00:38:27
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But it's fine. I'll bring it up again. It's a very interesting point in that when we were kids, theme park food was marked up like crazy and thusly was expensive as hell.
00:38:38
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But now the prices haven't really gone up a ton. Like 20 years ago, a burger at Six Flags was 18 bucks.
00:38:49
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And today, burger at Six Flags is 18 bucks. The difference is, and it includes like fries and a drink and stuff. The difference is now fucking McDonald's costs 18 bucks to get the same shit.
00:39:04
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Whereas it was like $6 20 years ago for McDonald's. So you go, yeah, or Burger King, right? Because right across from Six Flags and yeah, we'd walk over there.
00:39:19
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Well, there was a whole point, too, where, like, the, uh, I remember getting an entire meal, fast food meals, for less than $5. Yeah, i remember we would go after the park closed to, like, White Castle or Taco Bell.
00:39:34
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And I remember for like, 12 bucks, you could max the fuck out.
00:39:45
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Mm-hmm.
00:39:52
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And now good luck.
00:39:56
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And now you just got max force. Right. And like 12 bucks at Taco Bell.
00:40:03
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mean, maybe you could get a couple of value item, uh, value menu items, but
00:40:13
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yeah, i definitely remember going to those two specifically. Cause it'd be like, no, I'll get like two tacos and a soda. or I'll get like just the cheapest combo at white cat, like two sliders in a soda.
00:40:36
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But now, yeah, I don't know. There's no, there's no savings there.
00:40:45
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Yeah. least there's, um,
00:40:51
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500 foot roller coasters.
00:40:55
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If you want to join the straight coaster club and go to Saudi Arabia.
00:41:04
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I just have you seen a I was just trying to look at like recent POVs. um It's so far it's been operating as it should.
00:41:15
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it seems like um without issues. So
00:41:25
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I need to go there now. I really want to go. Okay.
00:41:34
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If only there was a way to go there. um Like, there's a way to make a work trip out of it.
00:41:44
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But... Also, too, like, there's so many fucking coasters out there. Like, if you just go on... Like, there's Skyrocket 2... there's a skyrocket too And in like some rent, they have a lot of those like nighttime markets I'm seeing where it's like a bunch of shops and, um you know, like food and stuff. And then they're open till two in the morning. Okay.
00:42:15
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So it seems, it's almost seems like it'd be kind of tough to like park hop there, especially when places don't open until five o'clock. Well, that makes sense. Cause like, um,
00:42:26
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Isn't it like Phoenix summer there most of the time? Yeah, pretty much.
00:42:37
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This time of year, it seems like it's a little nicer, though.
00:42:42
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Yeah. But still, yeah, nothing opens during the day there. yeah Yeah, outdoor stuff.
00:42:53
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No.
00:42:57
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You have fun. I'll wait until ah they formally open up the ah Disney park in Abu Dhabi to get to that portion of the world.
00:43:14
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So there's... Yeah, so there's a Disney park in Abu Dhabi. Is there another Disney park going in somewhere now too? Wasn't there... Let me Google this so I'm not just talking out of my ass.
00:43:30
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Well, because I knew about the new Disney park. I just don't... think I think it's Abu Dhabi. But I could be wrong.
00:43:40
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Yeah, it's Abu Dhabi. Oh, okay. Okay.
00:43:55
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It's going to be at Yas Island.
00:44:11
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Where they have the SeaWorld, Ferrari World, Warner Brothers World.
00:44:21
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yeah they're going to have Disneyland, Abu Dhabi.
00:44:34
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shit that's a big trip then
00:44:41
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i mean at this point you're almost like like like you need for any Disney park you're gonna want at least two days especially a new one like if you haven't been there before it again but is it gonna be really that big though like what's all planned yet
00:45:00
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okay They just announced the park in May 2025. And there's an interesting looking castle type of Kind
00:45:14
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kind of like a crystal looking castle right on the water. Yeah.
00:45:24
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Looks like. Is it going to be like a sandcastle? That would be fun.
00:45:35
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Looks like there's going to be indoor portions. There's only one rendering.
00:45:41
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Like, artist conceptual rendering. um Looks like there's maybe some indoor portions. Which makes sense. oh looks like possibly something similar to that, like,
00:46:05
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proposed but never built epcot festival center thing like that multi-level one that overlooked the water or was going to overlook um the water
00:46:22
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um if you google disney abu dhabi you can find this rendering because there's only one
00:46:36
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and looks like there might be a Tron. or possibly Log Flume. Looks like maybe possibly Phantasmic they're hinting at
00:47:09
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Okay.
00:47:13
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who owns um Who owns Garfield these days? ah I think the guy that created him.
00:47:25
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Still.
00:47:28
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Okay, so they're now like a... They're not part of anything right now. No, they had a contract with Kennywood for the longest, but I don't think i don't think that was renewed.
00:47:43
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i thought it'd be funny to have like Garfield IP in Abu Dhabi. He hates Mondays and loves Lizana. What else do need to know?
00:47:57
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Remember, he had like a whole bit about mailing Odie to Abu Dhabi. No. But that's fucking out funny. Yeah, it had like had like a song and everything.
00:48:10
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Well, I'm looking this up now.
00:48:17
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It's a very like core memory childhood thing.
00:48:24
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Because as a kid, I had no idea where Abu Dhabi was. Yeah, Garfield Abu Dhabi. It's like it knew.
00:48:34
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He tries to mail Nermal to Abu Dhabi. Oh, yeah. Nermal. Okay. That's right. Which now I'm remembering that a little bit because he hated Nermal.
00:48:49
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Mm-hmm. Alright, I found a YouTube. Garfield, send to Abu Dhabi.
00:49:10
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he He said send this to Abu Dhabi. Tell him it's a new kind of artificial sweetener.
00:49:18
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Hmm.
00:49:21
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That's funny.
00:49:28
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Holy shit. they had a month There's a modern 3D animated Garfield? That looks terrifying. you It makes money, right? that That guy or whoever owns him is not not going to let that die. Really?
00:49:45
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<unk>ly But also, too, it's one of those things where it's like if you just brought back the cartoon as is, like, I think it would be popular. like You have to
00:50:01
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make it creepy. I like I like those when I was a kid. I liked it to the point where I ended up remembering I bought like some some of the books where they would print the comic strips.
00:50:15
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Yeah. Yep. I had those. Dude, I had a drawer in my desk that was ah Garfield Comics and Koosh Balls.
00:50:29
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Tell me you grew up in the 90s without saying it.
00:50:33
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so
00:50:37
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Yeah, a little Koosh Ball collection. Okay, so speaking of 90s newspaper comic characters, what was up with the sticker of Calvin or Hobbes, whoever, pissing on stuff in the 90s?
00:50:58
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I have no idea. You remember that, though, right? i don't even know. I think the crossover that it was, there was like a crossover of like Tool fans. Yeah. And like four truck
00:51:13
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guys who are really into George Bush and those stickers. Obviously before Bush, but like, you know. That guy would go on to wear a red hat.
00:51:27
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Yeah, for sure. that That seems really appropriate and correct.
00:51:39
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Lots of monsters. um Yeah. i just i mean It's like monster, tulle, white American Eagle t-shirt, or like Abercrombie with like the the cheap Walgreens cologne and the necklace, like kind of like the chain necklace, maybe a cross necklace.
00:52:03
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Cross from what? And... and Yeah, like in a Ford red hat. Yeah, man.
00:52:19
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Gonna want to take you a big old dip. it's like ah That's like a West Bend stereotype.
00:52:33
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The West Bend's weird. I went back there for Christmas. and so have it Sorry. god is they saw george was Well, that i was going to say, do they still have a Taco Bell? But yeah.
00:52:49
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Yeah, they've got two. Holy shit. Things have grown.
00:52:57
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i don't know about the George Webb. I doubt it. I don't even think those things are around.
00:53:03
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remember I remember we remember going there like, you can smoke inside. I do remember. and I don't know what it says about me that as like a 20-year-old, was super excited about that.
00:53:21
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looks
00:53:27
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Actually, do you remember when smoking sections were like a thing, a new thing at Six Flags Parks? Yeah, that was like in 07?
00:53:38
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Yep.
00:53:44
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Which is kind of funny because I don't even know what they did before that. Were there are just like urns that you just had to like... That they just trusted people to put in? No, I think um it was just like the street where you'd smoke while you were walking around.
00:54:06
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Just not in the queue lines. Yeah, hence why they had the signs that say no smoking in the queue line. Yeah. And... But yeah, you just smoke walking around and like, do you remember that Cedar Point ah documentary from the Discovery Channel where it's like a day in the life and they go through all the different departments?
00:54:36
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Oh, yeah. The sweepers. Yep. Talking about the cigarette butts. Yeah. So, yeah, I think, like, if you were polite, you would toss them in the trash can. But most people are, um you know, not.
00:54:52
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And so they ended up on the ground.
00:55:07
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Sweeping was actually kind of fun. You did that? it's i wasn't in a sweep, but occasionally if we were like overstaffed or we're trying to rotate people out for breaks and stuff, like one person would go sweep.
00:55:23
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We had like a sweeping rotation. it was kind of the... it was like the hangover rotation where if like you needed to cool off, like you came in and you were still ripped from the night before, like it's like, yeah, just go like sweep for an hour and come back.
00:55:43
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Or we'd also use the sweep rotation as a way to go smoke cigarettes. Cause then you would just hide behind one of the, like the pool, the pool pump buildings and, no one could see you, light smoke a cigarette quick, and then just come back out.
00:55:58
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Makes sense. Yeah, I remember when I was last working at theme park at Great America, um
00:56:10
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the in the position i was in, that was like ah easy way to meet people. Yeah. oh Yeah.
00:56:23
Speaker
Because there was a smoking area right outside of the main entertainment office that ironically caught fire.
00:56:36
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Probably. From smoking. Probably. Because, like, nice yeah it's the entertainment department. So everybody smokes, right? So that thing would just get full of cigarettes.
00:56:54
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And like,
00:56:58
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you know, it would be Park Services or whatever the department's called, their job to come around and clean it. so Yeah.
00:57:09
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That probably didn't happen often enough for the amount of smokers that were back there.
00:57:20
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And now
Smoking Policies in Theme Parks: Then and Now
00:57:21
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they don't allow smoking in the Six Flags parks at all. No smoking areas, nothing.
00:57:30
Speaker
Damn, I guess it's been so long since I've had a cigarette in a park. I just didn't even realize that was the thing. It's been like slow going to arrive there because even as of when we did our Southern California meetup last year,
00:57:47
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um Magic Mountain still had smoking areas.
00:57:54
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Yeah. Okay.
00:57:58
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But now,
00:58:01
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um yeah, no.
00:58:07
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But that's fine. It's for the better.
00:58:12
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I got to imagine that um people were getting pretty damn annoying with like vapes and stuff.
00:58:22
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Yeah, in a way, vape kind of killed smoking in public. And that's fine. You really don't like there's no need for people blowing giant clouds.
00:58:38
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You know, yeah.
00:58:48
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One thing, though, um it would be funny to see someone vape like on a roller coaster. It's like a smoke trail.
00:58:56
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Yeah, dude, I always wanted to like light a cigarette on the lift hill of a ride.
00:59:05
Speaker
I mean, you could pull that off. it Holy shit, you're right. No one would give a shit. No one would care. Okay.
00:59:17
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I mean, it has been a while since I've been in there, but um you know i wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me though. Actually, i um what's weird is, okay, it's been 13 years.
00:59:29
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No, that's not true. 10 years since I've been in there. And it's kind of funny to think how nothing has like changed in that park for 20 years.
00:59:41
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Other than... oh no that's not true. They have the the the fucking Tower of Icarus or whatever. the tallest water slide.
00:59:52
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Yeah, nothing though, really.
00:59:56
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There is actually a um
01:00:01
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Even the fucking... Like every photo of that's taken from of this park. Even a Yeah, like the Wisconsin Dells official website photo of this park. like
01:00:19
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park looks like shit.
01:00:29
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Also, too, they they they tore down that whole family land section in the back where all the old slides were. So now there's just this giant grass field that I don't even know what they're doing with. When they tore out the fucking water coaster.
01:00:46
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And then it was... Remember they had the water coaster there? Oh, yeah. Dive to Atlanta. Yeah, that's right. And then it became a like a ah state park like shelter.
01:01:00
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a picnic shelter. Yeah, it was just nothingness replaced it, basically. That water coaster was the jankest fucking piece of jank shit ever.
01:01:13
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Was it Hopkins? Yeah, probably. i can't remember. To our CDB we go.
01:01:27
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Dive Atlantis. What a piece of shit.
01:01:39
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Myler. didn't even Myler made a fucking water coaster. What the hell? I mean, they probably didn't until...
01:01:52
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they When they were building, they probably like, ah because they had that little Titans Myler coaster. They probably just like like, hey, can you do like a water coaster?
01:02:04
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Myler's like, I mean, I guess. Oh, no. No, Myler had the the traveling um log ride. I think.
01:02:15
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That traveled around the east, on the east on the west coast. So that actually kind of makes sense. Oh, yeah. It traveled with the same the same fare as the high one of the high milers. There's like a portable fare miler coaster that traveled with that ride. there's a picture of the control panel on our CDB, and it says, Miler water flume, custom built for big chief carts and coasters.
01:02:41
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ah
01:02:48
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Yeah, that thing was so jank. Yeah.
01:02:55
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It also had such shitty capacity. Yeah, because it was literally log flume, and there was only like, don't know, eight boats or whatever?
01:03:05
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and maybe yeah it I remember yeah it went about the same speed as like Logger's Run or Yankee Clipper before the lift hill after the drop around that entire turnaround getting all the way back to the station.
01:03:29
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you're just like slowly going around these giant turn to get meandered back to the station.
01:03:43
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I remember when it was brand new. Wow, that's such a short run.
01:03:56
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Because I remember when probably like 2004, I had no idea it was new because it was built the same year as Avalanche. That's right.
01:04:07
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And I remember going to Noah's Ark with ah like neighbors or something and not knowing that this was new and seeing it. I was like, what the fuck is that? Is that like a Togo standup?
01:04:19
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Because you could barely see it from the road. and then And then driving past Avalanche, I was like, what the fuck is that? And that that thing blew my mind. Dude, I wish Avalanche was still there.
01:04:39
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Yeah, Avalanche was so good. And it is funny how you can tell it's kind of like one of the first... it's It was like almost like a pre-RMS. Yeah, it was designed by Alan Chilke apparently.
01:04:54
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Yeah. And you can tell just from like the profiling of the like the hills and the turns and the way that like the the bunny hills were maximized to provide airtime. It's definitely like very RMC.
01:05:09
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Yeah, and because of how short the trains were, ah every seat had airtime.
01:05:20
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Like, it was so fast. I'm feeling like it just like was so so intensely fast, even though it was so small.
01:05:31
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And that first that first bang turn was like kind forceful, Yeah, dude. like That layout was crazy. The double triangle encircling the property, basically.
01:05:49
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Oh, yeah. And there's ah there's a photo of Avalanche on RCDB where you can see Hades in the background.
01:05:58
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Like, off in the distance.
01:06:02
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It is kind of a weird, it is a very, it it was a weird site. Cause like, there's no other place. I don't think really in the world where you could see a, such a tall roller coaster, like off in the distance. like that i sum another two number seven
01:06:19
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Yeah.
01:06:22
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Cause there's no theme parks that are that big. Cause it was probably what, maybe two miles down the road.
01:06:39
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Yeah, I remember because I definitely remember riding Avalanche opening year. Hades was still under construction because they started building it the summer before it opened.
01:06:51
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um And they had just the turnaround and like part of the first and like I think the first like lift hill. um And you could see it from Avalanche and like seeing it off to this and she's like, holy shit, like.
01:07:09
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It's so crazy to think that there was like actually a fun, exciting period of the Wisconsin Dells, and now there there hasn't been shit and so long. suppose it's probably similar to like Vegas in the Yeah,
01:07:25
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yeah I mean, tourist traps are tourist traps.
01:07:31
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Yeah. I decided it would be fun.
01:07:37
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To go on TPR On the forums And type in Hades And go to the last page
01:07:58
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What major 2005 coaster are you looking forward to the most?
01:08:04
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Nice Wait, wait, hold on.
01:08:10
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What if I type in
01:08:32
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I've looked up your old account.
01:08:37
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Oh, God.
01:08:41
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Random, random, random.
01:08:45
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Plays with fire. Oh, you're promoting your videos.
01:08:58
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Oh, wait, I can probably find that, oh actually. Some asshole named M-Force Forever applied to one of your threads.
01:09:07
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Nice.
01:09:18
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was going look. Did you have any Avalanche video on your YouTube? There's one that has a
01:09:32
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Mount Olympus and Avalanche from 2005.
01:09:39
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Let me go try to find it.
01:09:45
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That's force forever the dude.
01:09:49
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Which i didn't we didn't talk about it on here. as i It was 20 years ago. My first coaster video uploaded onto that channel.
01:10:02
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Yeah, that was January 2006. two thousand six
01:10:10
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So that's, ah hey, there you are in 2012. Damn, how terrifying is it to see the the number 20 in...
01:10:26
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in ah the get The years ago thing? i I'm not huge on that, but it is what it is. but this Because I'm like, I was definitely an age at that point.
01:10:49
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it is It is funny how like, um I don't know, like, we're kind of, I guess not, it's not the case anymore, but we were so used to like technology and websites changing so fast, rapidly over and over and over. And now like YouTube is still around. It's kind of weird to think about.
01:11:12
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Yeah, it is like, it's, it's not just, it's not only just around. It's like,
01:11:21
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it's the standard, you know? Here on the discord I'm post the video So yeah 20 years now Oh And there's my alert The diet you have A little footage of diet to it like Very little but yeah And a very copyrighted song
01:11:56
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Because You know Rollercoaster videos only came in Music video style back then and this is a jank POV For the time though Do remember that camera i had though It was a Hi8 camera
01:12:24
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Oh, Hi8? No, I never saw the Hi8 one. The one you had the same I Christmas 2005, so had it for 2006. in 2000... God, Oh God. young.
01:12:47
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ah even look like oh my god
01:12:52
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so on
01:12:56
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It's funny too, because ah now that Cyclops has been super reprofiled, like it doesn't run like this anymore. but you can You can tell how cyclops how intense it was just from the off-ride.
01:13:19
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Yeah, it's so weird to think about how there was actually like a...
01:13:25
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Like how the Dells for coasters was actually kind of like holiday world at one point.
01:13:34
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yo
01:13:40
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Hello. I don't know what the hell happened.
01:13:48
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Like my browser crashed and I don't know. hold on a second. I'm going to stop just recording. Okay. Um, didn't want to toot my own horn too hard, but I thought the editing was pretty good on that video.
01:14:05
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Yeah. That's like what, ah windows movie maker. Oh five windows movie maker. Damn straight. It was. Yeah. Yeah.
01:14:15
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it What's funny about Movie Maker was actually okay. Did you ever do the auto edit where you could upload a bunch of clips and then it would basically make like a like an auto video? I can't describe it.
01:14:34
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Hold on. There's something...
01:14:43
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It would basically go at random and clip like three, four second pieces of all of your clips and then put them in a random order. No, that sounds really weird.
01:14:54
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But it would always take the worst ones too. So it would just be like random shit. Actually, there's a, ah there's a fun, i don't I don't even know if I can find it though anymore.
01:15:09
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Somebody did that with the Six Flags Magic Mountain video. And they just use like the auto-edit and it looks so bad. and don't think I'm going to be able to find it. I thought it was maybe my favorites, but i don't think so.
01:15:23
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Yeah, i remember the it's just the Windows Movie Maker was not bad, but it wasn't good either. Yeah.
01:15:34
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Like it was fine. Well, the resolution would drop out anytime you did any sort of transition effect.
01:15:50
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Yeah.
01:15:54
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But i was i was going to say, so on the on the Dell's shit, like there was a time when the Dell's was basically better than Holiday World for wooden coasters.
01:16:09
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Yeah.
01:16:13
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that's That's a little spicy, but I'll tell i'll accept it. I mean, with haes with Hades and Avalanche, those two... Hades and Avalanche was like the rival to Raven and Legend.
01:16:28
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I mean, this was pre-Voyage, too. So, like... Obviously, Voyage was built in 06, and then Mount Olympus was downhill ever since then, but...
01:16:43
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05, though, Dells was lit. That was like where every coaster enthusiast was trying to go to for those two rides.
01:16:54
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And then you also had Cyclops was solid. Zeus was like so-so, but, you know, it was fine.
01:17:04
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yeah I mean, yeah, Cyclops always had that one drop, man, that insane drop.
01:17:17
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But ever since they ever since gravity, your breeded Hades and avalanche got taken out, like the Dells just kind of doesn't have anything going on anymore.
01:17:29
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Yeah.
01:17:32
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It's yeah, like it's kind of why would you go?
01:17:50
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And I haven't for a long time. Since Hades 360. I think that was the last time I was there. Yeah, I got a couple rides on that and I haven't been back since. it's ah there's There was that one time we were thought about going and then um after that Great America meetup, but honestly, like it for some reason, it was just like, I do not have the energy to go to that park right now.
01:18:23
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The park of hassles. Yeah, i I mean... Exactly. I mean, i don't know. It doesn't seem worth going to.
01:18:35
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Really.
Visiting Parks with Kids: Challenges and Costs
01:18:41
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Unless you haven't been. Or, like...
01:18:47
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For some reason, you, like, really want to... get drunk at a park that's like that's a really good one to do that at yeah but don't do it alone
01:19:01
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no yeah we were talking about parks that it's like parks that are fun to go to alone and parks that aren't fun to go to alone as an adult that's not one of them oh no absolutely not
01:19:22
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I wouldn't, I think i would only go there with like a group or if my wife wanted to go. Yeah.
01:19:38
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Any place with just a bunch of tourists, like tourists or not, it's not fun to be around like families on, on like vacation when you're alone for some reason.
01:19:54
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It gets really annoying really quick. Yeah. It's like I'm trying to get to that thing.
01:20:06
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Whereas like families it's like
01:20:12
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lot of like dawdling you know taking time. Yeah.
01:20:20
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You're there by yourself you're like I'm gonna get to that ride i just want to go already.
01:20:28
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Quit fucking around, you know?
01:20:37
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These kids need to move. Why can't I have a cigarette?
01:20:43
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And also, too, like when you're there and like when something annoys you, but then you see people like actually thinking the thing that they're doing is like really fucking fun.
01:20:55
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Yeah, or like the whole the classic, like, we paid 90 bucks a person to be here. We're having a good time. Yeah.
01:21:06
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The cost of theme parks really gets fucking... It it really gets, ah you know, known once you try to take a family of four or five to a theme park for the day.
01:21:20
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yeah no kidding. Yeah.
01:21:23
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That's why I right now. Oh, I guess I haven't mentioned that I'm a dad on this podcast. um That happened.
01:21:34
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Why? Why did we not upload for six months straight?
01:21:40
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I had a kid. um Yeah. None of us were in jail. Yeah, no, nothing nothing bad happened. um Life got a little bit busy for a while.
01:21:51
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um still have a kid.
01:21:57
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he's He is a little bit older than he was when he was born now. But um anyway, he is free to get into all parks for like the next couple years, so...
01:22:10
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Oh, yeah, because they do it they do it by, like, what height or age or something? Yeah, it's, like, until they're three. Okay, yeah, that's cool.
01:22:21
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So, um
01:22:27
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and I think, like, you know, it also depends on the park, right? Like, you can probably stretch it a little bit longer at like, Six Flags. Yeah,
01:22:38
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But if you go to like Disney, they're going to ask the kid if they look like they're three or older.
01:22:48
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and but How old are you, buddy? You know our kids do. They won't lie. They'd be like, I'm three. yeah Oh, do you have a ticket for him?
01:23:05
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But yeah, he's he's free right now. So um think that's ah that's a part of the plan, right? Upside, downside. Upside, it's free to get him in. Downside, he can barely go on any rides.
01:23:21
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Yeah, just put him on like an Intamin. Sneak him Yeah, i want him to experience airtime, not just like for me messing with him and like bouncing him around.
01:23:33
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I'm like, no, dude, do you need to like experience ejector airtime. It's my son.
01:23:42
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but no, yeah. um He can go on a lot of the rides at Disneyland. Yeah, because they they allow the whole like lap thing, right?
01:23:57
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Yeah, and when like in like everything in Fantasyland... You know, it's like slow-moving dark rides and stuff. Yeah.
01:24:09
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He can go on like everything in Fantasyland.
01:24:13
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He can go on any of the slow-moving dark rides.
01:24:23
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So, you know, there's enough.
01:24:27
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And it's free to bring him in.
01:24:31
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Yeah, that's cool.
01:24:36
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Well, ah yeah, if if a work trip works out, um doing the Great America thing would be kind of fun at some point.
01:24:48
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I don't know about Vallejo. That's like, I guess there's zoos. There's like animals and stuff. I guess ah that would be kind of fun.
01:24:58
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Yeah, dude, if you do the bay. That's something to consider. And then also like
01:25:07
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if you want to do a small road trip from San Francisco, you can get to Magic Mountain in about five hours.
01:25:22
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Yeah. Although I think I'm good on Magic Mountain. Not until they build something good.
01:25:34
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ah yeah i don't hate the park. i just i don't know i just don't love it anymore.
01:25:45
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I feel like their ride collection on the whole, the rides are like generally like more intense than I enjoy. Yeah. Yeah.
01:26:02
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And even that thrill gliders with inversions and stuff, I think I'm going to be too tall for the thrill glider anyway. um Now I've never been denied for height recently. I've figured out ways to get on certain rides. I'm not supposed to, but
01:26:20
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um yeah, we'll see. i think what was it? Oh, go ahead. I think the Zamperla straddle coasters are six three as the limit.
01:26:40
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Well, I mean, I'm sure you'll be alright. It is Magic Mountain after all, so... Yeah, just tip him. sister just Slide him a 10. He'll be good.
01:26:56
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no, yeah, I... I was going to say, i that the thing that I love about Magic Mountain is that it's essentially like a...
01:27:13
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It's got the inherent ninety s early 2000s, Flags...
01:27:22
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six flags
01:27:27
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trademark characteristics yeah for sure
01:27:34
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like i can when i'm at that park it like really it's like in it's like living nostalgia it's very weird
01:27:55
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Which is cute, but without any new rides in like 10 years, it's a for, you know, what was at one point like one of the biggest theme parks in the world.
01:28:09
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It's just, you know, I just wish there's a little more there.
01:28:19
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Yeah, I mean.
01:28:27
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They're in a tough spot, I think, because like...
01:28:39
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They have like ah an aged collection.
01:28:44
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But nothing... Except for maybe like... Tatsu...
01:28:58
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is like And X2 is really that like much of a signature type of ride. what I mean? yeah Maybe Twisted Colossus.
01:29:12
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Maybe. You know? But like...
01:29:19
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I mean, like I love like Ninja and Gold Rusher.
01:29:29
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Yeah, the arrows are still my favorite.
01:29:36
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And I think that's the other thing is like now I'm like waiting for them to announce that Viper is going to be done. And it's like. Fuck it. Five hours. Let's go.
01:29:52
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i mean, that's kind of the i kind of hope that does happen. i mean, I don't. But if it. that might be what will allow them to build like their next major coaster.
01:30:09
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Especially since Viper was built with such a like, ah you know, entry presence and it's on the hill and it kind of towers over everything. So it would make sense that they could do something else with that. If they could do like, I don't know, like a mock, almost like that ah Hyperion or something.
01:30:28
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Just something like nice and tall with inversions, airtime.
01:30:37
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Yeah, that would be pretty cool. Because they need like an airtime coaster.
01:30:52
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Yeah, they really don't have, i mean, I guess Apocalypse, but Apocalypse is running like garbage. Yeah, I don't really, i don't fuck with Apocalypse much
01:31:07
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anymore. um
01:31:14
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i mean, i guess like the RMCs. Yeah.
01:31:19
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Yeah. But, you know, you know.
01:31:31
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But I like Magic Mountain. I enjoy the fact that, to me, it feels like it takes me right back to the whole, like, and...
Magic Mountain: Nostalgia vs. New Attractions
01:31:45
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and um Batman the Ride, like that whole time period. the ninety Like 92 to 2002 Six Flags.
01:31:57
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Yeah.
01:32:05
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No, and that makes... i definitely feel... I do enjoy the park atmosphere there. um
01:32:15
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I just... Yeah. Yeah. I just want that little bit more.
01:32:23
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Well, no, and I think that's part part of it is like, yeah, their coaster collection is very aged.
01:32:36
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Although I still give Riddler a lot of credit for that ride we got on it last year. Yeah.
01:32:46
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And even that, that's good, but it's also like, it does feel, that ride even feels a little nostalgic too, which is kind of funny. has that like 90s B&M. I mean, it opened in 98, so.
01:32:58
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Yeah.
01:33:03
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I guess this is what aging is like. I suppose.
01:33:10
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Doesn't have to be.
01:33:14
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I guess this is growing up
01:33:21
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Damn it. ah
01:33:26
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Oh boy.
01:33:29
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Well, geez. We're fucking sitting here harping on magic mountain. I'll be honest though. To me.
01:33:41
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Cedar Point doesn't feel terribly dissimilar other than they they have invested in a couple rides. But like it still feels like a lot of their draw is from like older rides.
01:33:56
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Yeah. Although the with Siren's Curse, I feel like they've definitely... Well, with Siren's Curse and Draxer now,
01:34:09
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it's kind of revamped the park quite a bit. Um, what's also funny when we were there, Raptor was down, Gemini was down.
01:34:22
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So, but it has, I don't know. It's just, I guess ah the difference is that they're, um, like the a lot of their stuff isn't clones, which is different than magic mountain where like most of their stuff is clones. Um,
01:34:39
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I mean, it's not most.
01:34:43
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I mean, Scream is a clone. Batman's a clone.
01:34:50
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i guess that's... Goliath is a clone.
01:34:56
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Technically, Viper was a clone. True. It's the last of its kind, so
01:35:07
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Although, like, Viper and Titan, or ah Goliath. I know Goliath's not a clone. Titan was the clone. Yeah, that's true.
01:35:24
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and if if Goliath had more airtime, I think the park would be fine.
01:35:31
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Yeah, i don't know why they decided. like that was a That was a weird choice. They're like, how about we build a hyper coaster that has like a stupid amount of positives?
01:35:43
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I mean, it's not a bad idea. It's just... That's something that would have been cool at, I don't know, Six Flags St. Louis or something.
01:35:56
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Enchanted Park St. Louis? Yeah. Yeah. or even Or even if that went to Six Flags, like if it went to Discovery Kingdom or something, it's it's just, it's not a match at Magic Mountain. Magic Mountain deserves like something more substantial.
01:36:17
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Although, but i think the people like it. it's I mean, every time we were there, remember we tried to go ride it? Or maybe, I don't know if you went with us. On the end of the first day,
01:36:28
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Goliath ended up having like an hour line the evening.
01:36:34
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i can't remember for sure. I do remember riding it though.
01:36:40
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But no, the line wasn't long when, when I went. So yeah, I must not have joined you for that one.
01:36:48
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Oh, I also still remember i had to leave the park for a few cause I had some issue with my insulin pump. Yeah.
01:36:58
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That's right. Yes, I do recall.
01:37:02
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that was a good ah That was a good meetup.
01:37:19
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And I know we've been maybe potentially talking about doing Texas.
01:37:26
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Yeah, that'll be an interesting one to plan for because we'll have to kind of wait and see what happens with a with the opening of... a
01:37:39
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forgot the name of it. The Giga.
01:37:48
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Yeah, I'm also kind of nervous about riding a fucking 300 foot tall ah B&M dive post Rakshasa but
01:38:05
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yeah we'll see I'm definitely not going to ride it on the ends I'll see how the reviews come out first if it's if it's like Rakshasa they'll be assigning them seats oh yeah shit well with my luck I always get stuck in the dead middle so So you'll just be like, it's boring.
01:38:26
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so
01:38:30
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Yeah, but i was relieved. Like my last scene Rakshasa review is like, well, I didn't experience the rattle personally. So I enjoyed the first ride even in the middle.
01:38:44
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It was fun. Yeah, your review was either going to be boring or fucking rally. well I mean, I just don't love dive coasters.
01:38:58
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Yeah, you had your mind made up before the fucking ride.
01:39:06
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That's all right.
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01:39:08
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I actually didn't think it was like boring, though. Honestly, it was ah it was fine. I was saying boo-erns.
01:39:22
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At least this one's 300 feet. So if it's boring, it's at least a giga.
01:39:29
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I thought a giga just had to be 287. Oh, yeah, that's true.
01:39:39
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Lower that bar a little bit.
01:39:45
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And ah Ohio, fight me.
01:39:54
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Well, speaking of Ohio, um
01:40:01
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also just realized, I don't know why I was clicking around. There's POV of Osiris and there's a section at the end of the ride where it looks like they let cows like graze. And I'm thinking like, what happens if the cows aren't out of the way and they let the coaster go and they,
01:40:25
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Everybody's getting hamburgers.
01:40:37
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I'm going to Bovine University.
01:40:43
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business Damn, did I just get the two Simpsons references in like five minutes? Yeah.
01:40:55
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Tell me you're a 90s kid without saying it, huh? Fucking A. Well. You got anything else, man? No. I, uh... After... What's weird is like now that, um... Six Flags Dubai or Kadea opened,
01:41:19
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The coaster front's been a little boring. You're right.
01:41:27
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It's
01:41:31
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like, maybe Disney will open a mine train.
01:41:37
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Just kidding. They are working on ah
01:41:42
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rock and roller coasters. Going get rethemed to the Muppets. So you little credit whores can count it as a new credit.
01:41:58
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They're going to build that Vekoma suspended door coaster. Oh, yeah, that'd be cool.
01:42:07
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The door coaster.
01:42:15
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Yeah. I mean, it looks like it'll be Yeah.
01:42:25
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mean it's a Vekoma family suspended that'll be indoors and themed. Yeah. But I'm pretty sure the theming is all just going to be repurposed from Monsters, Inc. Mike and Sully to the rescue at Disney's California Adventure.
01:42:45
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Oh, so it's like the same building and everything. No, they're tearing that one down. and I think that they're literally going to take the animatronics from that, which are like not great, but they'll be better in a fast ride. Okay, I see.
01:43:05
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But yeah, I think they're taking the literal sets and animatronics that exist in that ride currently, and those are going to be the brunt of the theming for the ride.
01:43:22
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Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of a bummer to lose one of the few family-friendly rides at DCA, but whatever.
01:43:39
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What are you going to do?
01:43:45
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Sneak your kid in about lying with their age. or train your kid how to lie with their age.
01:44:05
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Oh shit.
01:44:37
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Well, that was weird. It crashed again. oh shit.
01:44:42
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We better just wrap this shit up. Okay. Well, thank you all for listening. You you all done? but are all done are you and and Yeah. Yeah. I'm all good. All right. Sorry. Fuck.
01:44:55
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um i'm I'm like getting pissed off at my browser here. Anyway. ah Yeah, you're good. I'm good. Thank you all for listening so much. It's good to be back into the groove of doing this regularly. ah So we'll be back very soon to talk more coaster shit.
01:45:15
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ah ah Thank you all so much. Hope you have a good one. And until next time, your your favorite coaster sucks.