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Episode 164 - Offseason Cometh
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This week on the premier comedy roller coaster podcast Ben and Zach discuss Pantherian at Kings Dominion, being memed on Six Flags Great America's X (Twitter) page, Animatronics from Monsters Unchained and much more!
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Introductions and Podcast Theme
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are
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I'm Zach, but you can call me button Willow McKittrick. I'm Ben and you can just call me Ben Dover.
00:00:53
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Well, that's easy to remember.
00:00:57
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Welcome back to your favorite coaster sucks, by the way. We're an all roller coaster podcast, as you can tell. And sometimes we'll delve into the topic of. um i Identities of roller coasters. Which, I mean, was not a thing at all until maybe two years ago with the film, maybe longer than that, but like.
00:01:23
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Face ah the the dark, dark world of Facebook roller coaster fan groups is fucking wild.
Judgment-Free Zone and Roller Coaster Cosplay
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I also want to just say in terms of all that, this is a judgment free zone. Yeah, and I mean, it's not fair to go into specific people or posts, but.
00:01:47
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Absolutely not. Nope. Judgment free zone here. Um, this is not a, not a place we're trying to shame anybody, but every once in a while you will just, just see a post that just makes you question things. Oh, it certainly, um, is intriguing as a curiosity ego. What? My favorite era was the roller coaster cosplay era.
00:02:17
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I don't know if I recall. People were like cosplaying as roller coasters. It was like a it was like a hybrid. It was like a mix between what do they call that Disney term? Were you like Disney bounding? Yeah, Disney bounding. But instead of a character for a coaster, so someone might wear like, you know, the dragster color scheme and then wear like a tall hat or like Um, I mean, it never really took on and a lot of times it didn't even make sense. It's like, Oh, I'm, it's like, Oh, like check out my Magnum Excel cosplay. It's kind of like, well, it's, you're wearing a Magnum shirt and you're wearing like red under shirts. Like, I guess that works. I don't know.
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you don't You look not knowing you don't look angular.
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I don't see any cow hangers. Yeah, I only see a couple bunny hills. What's up with that?
Roller Coaster Enthusiast Communities
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I guess I guess what's fascinating about the Facebook group is just or like the Facebook group stuff is like when we were obviously when when we were younger, right? Like we I feel like whatever our existence was, we pretty much covered the full spectrum of enthusiasts. to the like Mostly, like you kind of were aware of what was out there and what's going on. But now, thanks to the internet, there's so many groups and there's so many subgroups and levels of enthusiasm that like sometimes you're just like shocked. like It's it's like completely unaware that something existed.
00:04:06
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Oh yeah, there's like groups that are so specific. It's like, um, hooking up in the third stall from the right at the bathroom by dragster at Cedar point on Thursdays.
00:04:20
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I love the ones. I love the meetup posts that are like very specific where it's like, it'll be you know it'll be like May, current day is May. And they're like, hey, I'll be at Cedar Point on July 21st from 11 to 3 p.m. I'll be wearing a blank shirt and blank colored shorts and a blank hat. um Let's meet up at Red Garter Saloon at 1 p.m. and then like no one replies to it.
00:05:00
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Yeah, because why the fuck? Yeah. You always kind of just wonder about those people. Yeah. I mean, granted, like, I suppose we did the same thing on CIFF camera world, but. I suppose I suppose it didn't exist there, too, because a lot of people would always like make a new topic and they'd be like, hey, I'll be at the park in three weeks on Thursday between 10 a.m. and 5 p.m.
00:05:29
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Let's meet up in front of Batman at 11 30. Yeah, let's not.
00:05:41
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Let's not and say we didn't. i ah I mean, that's kind of how you and I met, but still. Yeah, I mean, that was like an opening day thing.
00:06:00
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I feel like, you know, that's a little easier. Yeah. Plus when back then is like a specific roller coaster form with only like 20 people on it. Yeah, right. There was like, I mean, there's always interesting cause like around opening day, everyone would kind of like, everyone would kind of come out of the woodwork and like do a couple posts a year for opening day and then disappear.
00:06:27
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying is like the coaster forms is different than cause like everybody's mom has a Facebook account and nobody's mom was posting on a coaster form. Yeah.
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Occasionally though, remember in theme park review, I feel like there were a few met users who like had their mom post
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like some some prevalent names and then they would like, you know, so it'd be like, if then they if their username was like corkscrew2, it'd be like corkscrew2 underscore mom. And then they would make like two posts. Stop saying these horrible things about my son.
00:07:19
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Or I will call the police.
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It's a wild. It's too bad. ah
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That doesn't exist. I mean, like, and then and you know, what what do you have current day? Like, what's like, what's the town hall of roller coasters nowadays? Is it like. ah fragmented The comment section of the Altora Ryan video.
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It's that, but it's also like some Instagram account you and I have never heard of yeah and some TikTok account you and I have never heard of. But it's also like TPR, but it's also like TPR's comment section of the video they just uploaded. It's fragment. It's like it's a subreddit, you know, like it's it's all over the place. Yeah, I mean, the subreddit is pretty reliable, I suppose.
00:08:17
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I feel like everyone's on that at least for the most part. But. I mean, Civ game world does still exist, but um based off of some stuff that I saw on Twitter this week, I wouldn't hang out there.
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Their admins have some. um
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different views on the world, I guess.
00:08:51
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I mean, that one doesn't surprise me. I always thought that was true though. Like I thought he was, I thought he's been like that since 2016. yeah Maybe I didn't pay attention and The only reason I even engaged with that person at all was more just like alright, dude I've known you 20 years. I know I think you know better than this.
Politics and Social Media Discussion
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Yeah, you know like Come on, bud But you know
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I hope to just see the best in people. and Yeah. I mean, some people just have like no life. So their personality is just based on the internet content they consume. Yeah. And kind of like the whole idea of like,
00:09:53
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I'm not going to get super overly political here, but like, if you dedicate that much time to politics, but it's not like a job or aspiration, like, what are you doing? Well, you know, Ashtrick, like politics on social media.
00:10:19
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Well, yeah. And that's the thing is like, if you're actually getting involved in some way, you know, doing registration drives or knocking on door, whatever actual stuff that's clearly not violent or damaging other people or their property or whatever, the the actual beneficial work, then that's a different story. Yeah. If you're just sitting there tweeting about, well, blank group is doing blank thing.
00:10:50
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Then like, what what are you doing? Why not? Why not not do that?
00:11:01
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Yeah, we're gonna get a lot of that coming soon. Oh, yeah. No, I mean, look, y'all, the digital civil war is scheduled for pretty soon. So
00:11:18
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plan accordingly, bring some snacks, I guess. I don't know.
00:11:25
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Yeah. I mean, we got, we're, we're about a week away. So enjoy, enjoy things while it's, uh, it's, I guess somewhat peaceful, I guess. I don't know. Sure.
00:11:46
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Um, I guess if you haven't already go vote or don't, I don't care. You should. I think you should. You probably should, but also like, like if you voted for
00:12:09
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Peppa pig or what was it? Daddy pig. Yeah. Daddy pig. If you voted for daddy pig and not for the general election or whatever, I was going to say that or like, you know, I don't know. Well, go do it this way. ah Sure. Go vote.
00:12:37
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It seems tedious.
00:12:40
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Now here we get it. We get a ballot sent to us automatically in the mail. So do I, it worked that way in Illinois too, but here, here in California, they also send you a fucking phone book with information about everything that's on there. Yeah. And so it just seems like it's a lot of shit to read. Um,
00:13:08
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I use perplexity. It's just pretty, it's like a, it's kind of like a, a more buttoned up clean version of chat GPT. So basically you can say like, you know, you ask you like, Hey, I'm, I'm prop one H, um, what are the pros and cons from both Democrats and Republicans on this issue? And,
00:13:37
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who's supporting it and who's in um you know who's against it. And then it does like a really nice bullet point summary, um very condensed. And then it gives you all the sources um and a neat little list. It's actually, it was it was pretty easy to use. ah Interesting. And then using that, i mean like we learned a lot of new stuff about um like just the ballot.
00:14:05
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ah what do you call it? Ballot measures that I didn't really know much about. So like there was one that was like, um,
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should the state ban the hunting of wild cats? So like links is Bobcats, mountain lions, that type of thing. And so,
00:14:31
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turns out basically like all the state conservation groups, the um um we call it like animal conservation groups, the like DNR, the parks and rec, all those people were basically like, do not vote for this. like um this is It was basically like some like hippie group that was just like, let's not kill cats, but like basically like all the state biologists were like, no, no, no, no, no. like Don't worry. This is already illegal. Like there's a very, you know, specific science behind. Hunting permits.
00:15:14
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Like, you know, but a lot of people, you know, who live in Denver were like, yeah, we shouldn't kill cats. And then just vote yes. And then suddenly these like scientists and biologists are like, fuck, like we can't do our work now.
00:15:30
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Yeah. Cause I know that could probably affect wild populations of gazelle or whatever. Yeah. Basically it's, it's kind of like, um, it's taking the job of like scientists and biologists who know what they're doing and putting it in the hands of voters, which is like not a good idea. Well, isn't that what politics usually is? True. Yeah.
00:16:00
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And we had, we had another weird were one too. We had one like for banning slaughterhouses in Denver, um, which I did vote yes on because there's only one that actually is in the city of Denver. You fucking hippie. And it's, um, owned by like some California company. So it's not like a local Denver company. And basically this ballot measure is literally just to push this one company outside of Denver. Um,
00:16:31
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So I did vote yes on that. Fuck that that company. And then we also had one, with an interesting one that would ban the sale of furs in the city of Denver, which okay. I voted no only because the details were a little ambiguous and it just like the backing behind it was a little weird.
00:17:02
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Plus, like let's be honest, like is it really going to stop people from wearing fur in the city of Denver? right You just step right outside and buy it. you know It was just kind of weird. We'll see if I was wrong on that one.
00:17:21
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Yeah, treat your ballot like it's um like it's a bracket. Can you predict them all?
00:17:30
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Yeah, like the court justices to where there's like 15 plus or whatever, like the Supreme court justices and then like state Supreme, court all that stuff. We basically vote, uh, you know, just yes or no. And it's like, I don't know who any of these people are and you Google them. There's like no information on them. And then like, when you fill that stuff out, you're just saying like,
00:17:57
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If I'm putting this much effort into looking this up, is the average person really doing this much work too, or are they just like going down, like filling it out like a college Scantron exam? Yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no. Right. Like it's just, it's kind of, it's kind of odd. What I do for the the to the judges, I always Google like the bar associations and I take their recommendations.
00:18:27
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Oh, so they, they, they like do like a summary for what's like everything that's on the ballot. Uh, just for the judges, <unk> like this judge, 15th circuit, whatever Randall courts, and then it'll be like, you can look up like specific bar associations, you know, like in Colorado or even in Denver for you or for wherever you're at. And you'll see like, you know,
00:18:55
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African American LGBTQ plus bar association says yes. Irish bar association says yes. Like there's a shitload of them. Yeah. And that's, that's generally how I get my info for the, I go with the, the consensus of the bar associations. Yeah.
Magic Mountain Visit Highlights
00:19:18
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No, that's probably a good method.
00:19:23
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And if any of you didn't know about that, please use it better than shooting blindly in the dark. Yeah. We're just filling it blank. That's what's crazy is like, cause when like you get the voting results, it's like sometimes there's only like certain lines only have like a couple hundred votes and it's, it's decided on like two votes. It's like, what the, it's like, that's, it's crazy how, you know, people's careers and jobs are just like,
00:19:52
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at a whim of a ballot. I mean, I mean, obviously certain positions are a little bit more straightforward, but you know. Yeah, but I think most of those people will be just fine. Yeah, it's true. Not like they'll be scrounging for change to get a subway sandwich if they don't win the election. Well, I don't know. The footlongs are apparently like 16 bucks now. Jesus Christ.
00:20:23
Speaker
And now they're doing, they're doing this scam now where, um, I saw people, a few people post about it on Reddit where they're like, they're doing this deal where it's like, um, two foot long pizza subs for 5.99 each, but it doesn't specify. Um, basically like it's, it's 5.99 if you get it as is, but the second you make an alteration, it goes back to the menu price.
00:20:51
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And so they've reduced the like um amount the cheese the amount of cheese slices and meat and like salami on it. um You know, so people are like, yeah, I'll have extra cheese. And then suddenly it goes up to like 14 bucks. Oh, damn. Yeah, I don't know how Subway is still in business. Like I feel like every time I see a subway, I don't see people like in there. There's maybe like one person on a lunch break, maybe.
00:21:20
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Um, like when was the last time you had subway? Man, um, the last time there was nothing else available.
00:21:37
Speaker
Like the only thing I actually genuinely enjoy there is the breakfast sandwiches. Okay. Yeah. I mean, you can't really, I guess you can't really fuck those up. It's not like they're, you know, you already know ahead of time. They're not like cracking the eggs back there. No, this is an egg that was cooked in New Jersey and shipped to wherever you're at.
00:22:08
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And then like, you know, the things like the hand, like, like lunch meat, like deli meat, I feel like it's kind of hard to fuck up, but it's like those veggies. The veggies only thing I get right. Yeah, exactly. I mean, like the veggies though, freak me out. Yeah. It's like, can I get green pepper? And they're like, did you mean red pepper? And you're like, uh, yeah.
00:22:33
Speaker
yeah Like, um, I mean, when you, When you still ate, like when you ate me meat, did you ever, I mean, I'm assuming you've gotten meatball subs before. Yeah, that was my shit. Yeah. Meatball marinara. Last time I ate a meatball sub, I had a foot long of something else coming out of me within like five minutes. And that was the last time I had subway. And that was probably for 20.
00:23:07
Speaker
twelve i think
00:23:11
Speaker
There might've been another time I ate it, but I don't remember. It's been a, it's been a long time. Like I've definitely had it within the past two years. Okay. Oh shit. Okay. Well, cause there's like times I've been on road trips and it's like subways, the only option. Yeah. So it's like, all right, well, I guess I'll just get a fucking sub.
00:23:33
Speaker
Dude, I had a panic when I went to Brazil. I had this like i literally almost had a panic attack. because So we land in Sao Paulo. And like terminal terminal one is like the really big, nice international terminal. And then there's terminal two for the you know like local connecting flights, which is just like a, it's like a literally like a steel shed with like you know four doors for the four different gates. And then like I remember Landing 12 hours later starving at like 6 in the morning and like you're walking through you go through security And then like I just see a subway and I'm like fuck like this can't be the only thing that's available and I chose starvation Just because it was like especially like you don't know you don't know what kind of I Mean subway in Brazil, maybe it's better. But like the menu looked exactly the same
00:24:35
Speaker
Oh, you didn't want to figure out what a what a subway in Brazil, a Brazilian subway. I don't know. They maybe ship the stuff from the US. Who knows? Probably. And they're still like, eat fresh. Freshers in quotations.
00:24:59
Speaker
They're like, eat fresh or just eat.
00:25:03
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or like the fresh has like an asterisk on it and there's like a little warning on the bottom. It's got a C F R E S C H C fresh.
00:25:20
Speaker
Yeah. The, also like what's funny too is like, uh, the subway and I remember there was a subway in challenge park. That was, that was a ripoff. He has the subs were like,
00:25:34
Speaker
I'm trying to remember the menu price. I want to say like a a six inch was probably like $6.99, $7.99 without, you know, as is. And so, or you know, yeah I don't know, it was like, you could get like a combo where it'd be like six inch ah bag of chips and a soda for like 13 bucks. That was back in 2010. And now like that's just the normal price of Subway.
00:26:04
Speaker
God, I remember seeing subway at Kings Island and Cedar Point and just thinking like, Oh, Oh. Cause like, yeah, it's going to be 20 bucks for a sandwich and a drink. Yeah. And it's still subway. Yeah. Theme park subway.
00:26:32
Speaker
I had subway. I want to say maybe like,
00:26:37
Speaker
Six months ago. I was in school. And where I was going to school, the campus was in. um
00:26:53
Speaker
Fucking. Was the Pullman neighborhood. South near 94th in the highway. in Chicago. So 94th and 103rd. There you go.
00:27:11
Speaker
That's where the school is at. So I went to the subway off of 103rd a little bit, um, like about a mile down from there. I park up outside. I go in the entire fucking line all the way, everything, the line where they make the sandwiches, everything all the way down to the register and around the whole way. Bulletproof glass.
00:27:40
Speaker
Oh shit. Yeah. Yeah. So you got to like really yell. You're just like pointing. so
00:27:54
Speaker
And then you get, you get up to the front to like make the purchase and it's like the little turnaround thing with the bulletproof glass. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah.
00:28:12
Speaker
And I was just like, all right, let me just take my lunch back to campus. I guess. Remember that Taco Bell by the rave. Where they had like the whole sliding kind like contraption. Oh yeah. Like right next door to it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:39
Speaker
It's always the rave.
00:28:43
Speaker
I forget about that place all the time. I, uh, I wonder what I wonder if they've ever like upgraded it. I mean, it was fine. I guess I was there a couple of years ago.
00:29:00
Speaker
intending to see DJ poly D fist pump t shirt time cabs are here. Um, but I had an issue with my insulin pump that made us had to leave early, unfortunately. So we did not get to see DJ polity. Um, t shirt time cabs are here. Um,
00:29:23
Speaker
Jim Tan laundry. I squeeze in the references if I can. Fuck it. Um, but that was the last time I was there. What year was that? 2022. Okay. That's pretty recent.
00:29:45
Speaker
I liked the rave, but ah you know,
00:29:51
Speaker
For like when I was living in Chicago, driving all the way up to ah Milwaukee wasn't the greatest option for a concert. Yeah.
00:30:06
Speaker
But yeah, we'll go ahead. i I was just scrolling through Canada's Wonderland page on Screamscape. Apparently they're taking out their Skycoaster. Yeah, I feel like those are becoming rarer and rarer.
00:30:21
Speaker
which is weird. I mean, they've been around for awhile. Um, yeah, that's sad. I, I still think they miss kind of a missed an opportunity for coming up with like new ways to ride those things. Um, but I mean, I get it. It's like 30 to 45 bucks a pop, which is actually kind of insane. Like, um,
00:30:47
Speaker
Just like thinking about like inflation and stuff. So like back in 2010, right? Three people, $45 for ripcord. I mean, like that's pretty steep. That's like basically the price of a, of an admission ticket.
00:31:03
Speaker
I want to try one of those. You've ever been on a sky coaster? Nope. Oh shit. Yeah. yeah We were looking at the one at magic mountain this past weekend, but the line was long.
00:31:17
Speaker
Oh, okay. I mean, cause there's a lot, do you know how much it was? No clue. It didn't even get that close to it. Cause it was like, you could tell how long it was, even though they have one of the double capacity ones where it has the two sides. Were they running both sides? I think so. Okay. Huh.
00:31:42
Speaker
But it was just like, it was a crazy line, but then it's like, yeah, it was the Saturday before Halloween. So of course it was stupid busy there. Yeah. I guess that, I guess that time of year makes sense because a lot of people probably are like, Oh, like, you know, everything's long. Everything has, everything has a long line. And so like, this shouldn't be long. Let's just pay for it.
00:32:07
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And it was like it was so crazy. We didn't even want to use the flash passes because the flash pass line was long. Oh, shit. That's right. You were there. Well, yeah. Yeah. So we drove out Saturday morning. um Yeah, it was only about six hours with the stops. So not too bad. We stayed across the five, which I think if we end up doing our meet up, there will be a really good option.
00:32:35
Speaker
Yeah. Cause it only took about 25 minutes to walk to the front gate from the hotel. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's not bad. No, it like, depending on where you parked, it was probably about double the length of the longest walk from the parking lot. Sure. So it really wasn't bad at all.
00:33:02
Speaker
Cause it's like right on the other side of the five at the first stoplight. And then about, I don't know, half a mile from there. Not, not half a mile. Yeah, about half a mile. And then do you walk along? Is there like a sidewalk on that main entrance that goes along X and stuff? Mostly.
00:33:30
Speaker
They have a OK, so this is a weird thing we noticed. They have a separate parking area up front right by X2 now. That has like 120 spots only. Mm hmm. And they'll charge 70 bucks to go park there. Is that even is it closer to the gate? It's right by the gate. OK. Oh, yeah. OK. But I'm also like, how much do you have to hate walking? Right.
00:34:03
Speaker
That's like, that's like what, that's one of those things too, where like, you know, just it like American mentality of parking. Where it's like, you're walking around that park all goddamn day. Like you can't walk an extra five minutes. That's what I'm saying. So there's a couple hotels there and I think
00:34:26
Speaker
There's some on the other side of the five to closer to the park, depending if it's like off season, we can get a good rate. Maybe we stay closer, yeah but that all that to say there are several that it doesn't take more than 30 minutes to walk to from. Okay.
00:34:44
Speaker
Which means, you know, if anyone wants to drink or smoke, you can not have to move your car. Yeah. That's a good idea.
00:34:59
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, that's, that's not bad. I mean, that's like probably trying to look at a map.
00:35:12
Speaker
Nice. yeah and that Nice thing about that best Western too, is there's a fucking Denny's in the parking lot. Oh, okay. I think I know exactly what you're talking about. Cause I've been to that Denny's.
00:35:28
Speaker
Yeah, you can see X2 and Superman and the Sky Tower and Goliath from the parking lot there. Yeah. Well, how was um I mean, how busy was the park? Was it was it pretty slim? ah So when we get it got it on Saturday night, it was pretty busy.
00:35:52
Speaker
We ended up doing
00:35:57
Speaker
I'm a little embarrassed because I'm bringing back this trip report. We ended up doing no rides and no houses on Saturday. OK.
00:36:07
Speaker
We did a lap around the park and then. We are going to go on Goliath and I tried to use my leg.
00:36:18
Speaker
six flags za and we get forced skip the line passes every time we visit so i tried to use my one for goliath and it was having an issue that said like i didn't scan in so i couldn't access it so it's like i didn't want to wait to go to guest relations right to go deal with all that shit So I was like, ah, fuck it. Let's just go back to the hotel and we'll come back in the morning. So then when we went back in the morning, it was pretty dead. Mostly like full throttle had like an hour wait. So I did not get my full throttle credit. Unfortunately, but it's okay. We'll be back soon. and Yeah. Also Superman was down the whole time. So did not get that credit either.
00:37:13
Speaker
whatever Salivie. Um, so we got in in Sunday morning and Goliath was a 10 minute wait. It was saying, so we went right up there and we were able to get in row six right away. Like walk on, they were assigning rows and the station, like it wasn't even a full train when we dispatched. Okay. So it was like, I'm not going to ask for a particular row. Yeah.
00:37:44
Speaker
Six is fine. Goliath was running. Well, had more air time than I remember ever getting on that road. No, I will say just I do think there's kind of a Mandela effect. Of Goliath and Titan in that. I think people think that they're worse than they really are.
00:38:12
Speaker
Generally, and I do the same thing and I haven't been on it in a while, but I remember the last time I wrote it, I was actually kind of like, oh, like this wasn't as bad as I told myself. I remember it being.
00:38:25
Speaker
Yeah, it's definitely not bad. and It definitely feels like. It's missing air time. Yeah, because I definitely felt that thing on the first drop that Johan Lennox described when he was here.
00:38:43
Speaker
I'm talking about how the first drop only hits like that certain angle and it stays there. Yeah. It's, it's literally built like a roller coaster, tycoon coaster.
00:39:00
Speaker
Yeah. So there's definitely like not airtime on that first drop.
00:39:07
Speaker
especially cause they slow down the lift at the top. Um, but I got us very slight pop going into the first turnaround and then the bunny Hill was great. Yeah. It's like very good sustained floater. Um, it does the full stop in the breaks, which is fucking shit.
00:39:34
Speaker
Um, and then the second half is, you know, just twists and turns. Helix is strong.
00:39:48
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Yeah. And I mean, is it still, I mean, is it, does it still pretty smooth? Oh, definitely. Yeah. Definitely smooth. Uh, the, the weird thing though, was that on the final break run,
00:40:01
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They have the sensitivity of the brakes weird because it would basically like slam stop. And then like inch forward and then slam stop again. Pretty much repeating all the way through to getting back into the station. OK, gotcha. So I don't know what's up with that.
00:40:27
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So after Goliath, um Went over to Wonder Woman, same deal. We walked right on. As luck would have it, they loaded up the the last row of the train in front of us. So I told Rhian to take the front row because she was really excited. And I took row two and it was way better in the front than when I wrote it in the middle.
00:40:55
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two years ago. Okay. Yeah. I mean, that that makes sense. I mean, is it like fun? Is it, I've always heard, you know, those rides, those, uh, big single rails always kind of like mixed reviews.
00:41:14
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Like it's not as good as Wonder Woman in San Antonio. Yeah. Cause it's just not as intense.
00:41:23
Speaker
It's like it's it's seriously like they completed Goliath's layout. Right.
00:41:37
Speaker
And like Goliath, ah Great America. The big single rails is basically like they completed that layout and made it the right length.
00:41:53
Speaker
Now, weirdly, we and I both had this thing where the shoulder strap on the left side, like slipped down to like her arms. OK. So that was a little. Weird. Yeah. It was like in the dive loop.
00:42:17
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Those restraints just like aren't great anyway.
00:42:23
Speaker
Yeah, they're not. the The cars aren't comfortable either with that fucking like weird thing you have to straddle. Yeah.
00:42:38
Speaker
All around, it's just not a good design. I'm not a fan. Like Wonder Woman and and the other one yeah are cool. It's like, oh, yeah, that was a cool concept, but like.
00:42:52
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not as a full scale thing unless they were going to do what they, you know, uh, designed it to do to have like, you know, insane heights or like, you know, have it go across terrain or canyons or something. But well, I think that's what the T-Rex is supposed to do, but they don't offer that anymore. Yeah.
00:43:19
Speaker
Which is, which is fine. Like I could see the T-Rex whole thing being good for like, um, you know, very specific designs, but like as a, as just like a ride type, I mean, you might as well just go with like the eye box does exactly what you need it to do. Yeah, exactly. And that's like when everyone i was like, you know, everyone was like sucking up to RMC, you know, 10 years ago.
00:43:44
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And then they were pretty, you know, they like leaked those photos of the, of the single rail and the T Rex track in the factory. Um, and everyone's like, this is absolutely insane. um RMC just keeps blowing our mind. And then like, there's been basically like, shi he took his shit on the rail. Yeah. There's been like nothing really, I mean, like,
00:44:10
Speaker
They had that really good, they had that really great introduction, but now they're just kind of like there and they haven't really been doing it that much else and like nothing really new. I mean, Yoy, the dueling single track, I mean, that's it. They've been around for 12 years and that's their you know that's their current state. And I get i get it, there's like Park said, they don't have the money, they're not buying RMCs like they used to, but
00:44:44
Speaker
Well, yeah, what they they got the wild moose now and it's like, OK, yeah. Is anyone really interested in a extreme kids coaster? Yeah, and I mean, it's it it's kind of cool, but like, and I get it, parks have to buy it, but um I don't know. It's just like.
00:45:09
Speaker
They're.
00:45:13
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. I don't like I don't know what to think about RMC anymore.
Coaster Industry Speculations
00:45:17
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You would just you just think it's like, all right, they've got the they've got the manufacturing down. They've got the track design down. They've got the, you know, track layout and force design, kind whatever, you know, whatever you want to call it down. um But then, and you know, they don't really do anything with it.
00:45:41
Speaker
And I've made this argument plenty of times because people are like, well, what about B and M? They did the same thing, but like they also did like, you know, their, their, their innovation is more about like overall ride experience. Like sit down, stand up, floorless flying wing coaster.
00:46:01
Speaker
Yeah, they, they actually did stuff. Yeah.
00:46:10
Speaker
I think at this point I would be interested in seeing um RMC do a vertical loop. Yeah. even like ah and ah Even if it's not a standard one, even if it's kind of like a non-inverting loop.
00:46:22
Speaker
something that's kind of what like, um, like seeing Hyperia and seeing kind of that like overbank role thing and those like new kind of inversions, I guess that's the kind of stuff I thought we would be seen from RMC at this point, but you know, they're still kind of doing the same old, same old tricks. Yeah. They're like, what if it did a kick flip? Yeah.
00:46:52
Speaker
I mean, they've got the, they've got the, you know, they have the, the knowledge and the experience to do cool stuff. But, um, yeah, I don't know. I'm always down to hate on RMC, but now we're, I mean, you know, now we're at that time where like the clock has been turning. I mean, when was, um, the new Texas giant built that was what, like 20, 20, 10 or 20, maybe it was 2011.
00:47:24
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Let's see.
00:47:35
Speaker
I mean, it definitely seems like. They like, would you say like they peaked with steel vengeance?
00:47:47
Speaker
Yeah, either that or iron glossy because like, you know, iron glossy was kind of like steel vengeance. um You know, like iron glossy was kind of like an enhanced steel vengeance because they had the, you know, like the death roll and the that like insane outer bank turn and stuff. But I mean, that was pretty COVID. I mean, that was, you know, that was a basically a 2019 attraction. That was five years ago.
00:48:15
Speaker
Yeah, that was scheduled to open in 2020. Yeah.
00:48:25
Speaker
So new tech. Okay. Yeah. New Texas giant was 2011. So well, fuck you. So they're coming up on 14 years. So let's see.
00:48:39
Speaker
in the span of the light in this lifetime of RMC from 2011 to 2025. So through next year, that was the era that B and M did stand up, sit down, invert, floorless flying and wing coaster.
00:49:05
Speaker
And a dive coaster. Oh, it's our not not wing coaster. That was later. But yes. And then dive coaster. Yeah.
00:49:19
Speaker
So. And they've got and they always and and they invented a new iteration of trains for their standup coaster in that time as well. The surf coaster.
00:49:36
Speaker
No, from like from 90, from 90 to 90, wait, 15, 15 years, right? Yeah. Or 14 years. So yeah. So from 90 to 20, 2004, yeah, they went from the old style, but remember the iron wolf trains, right? Oh yeah. To the mantis trains. Yeah.
00:50:07
Speaker
So they did that too.
00:50:14
Speaker
Maybe the problem is just the US based coaster manufacturers. Like there seems to be a problem with them, right? Like other than cause I want to try to think premieres US, right? Yeah. And so is what? SNS, which they have a lot of problems.
00:50:33
Speaker
um gravity group doesn't necessarily have problems, but you know, they are notoriously like either rough or they kind of also like lost steam because then they would started doing those. They came out with those like the whatever those whatever the fuck are those trains called? The liners, timber liners. Yeah. And now they're just doing like those like mini coasters.
00:51:06
Speaker
Well, like Switchback was awesome. Yeah. And. Mind blowers really cool, but like, yeah, they're not. They haven't done anything like Hades, Voyage, Boardwalk Bullet. Here in America in a while.
00:51:32
Speaker
And like that, you could argue is probably like a park demand because parks just don't want wooden coasters anymore. So it's like a little it's like, you know, fairly understandable. But GCI, though, they're doing good. Yeah, that's true. That's true. They're like the only reliable ones. Yeah.
00:51:59
Speaker
I guess at the end of the day, RMC was supposed to be this like, you know, this like new thing that came on the market and it was all promising and. You know, all these big ideas and they're supposed to revolutionize everything, but like they're kind of dying, not dying out, but like. It's just not what you know what I mean? Like the expectation just hasn't been met. I don't know.
00:52:27
Speaker
Yeah, I definitely.
00:52:33
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I think they're not white hot like they were.
00:52:43
Speaker
Which raises another question is we haven't had a new manufacturer really, I mean, besides Golden Horse or whatever they call it now. Ginma Ginma. I mean, I'm curious when we're going to see the next manufacturer come on the market.
00:53:02
Speaker
Cause it's got, it's going to happen, right? Like it's all in, you know, all industries go through changes and, um, you know, eventually a company will merge or go bankrupt or rebrand, you know, like I'm kind of curious like what the next thing is going to be. I mean, like mock mock is not mock isn't new, but they're definitely like doing new stuff and they kind of seem to be like the new, uh,
00:53:32
Speaker
It's sort of like almost between mock and Gerstlauer are starting to become kind of like the, the new modern brands of the, of the industry. That's fine. I guess. What's Intamin up to? I mean, they're still doing their swing launches.
00:53:54
Speaker
You know, they they had they actually built, I mean, between. Was it Batman, the escape or whatever in Spain and like to Taddis and Velocicoaster and Pantheon, I mean. And then that other one, that wallaby. um Conda or whatever. They're staying, I mean, they're staying relevant and they're doing cool stuff. I mean, like Velocicoaster is awesome. Velocicoaster is definitely like a like a new page for Intamin.
00:54:24
Speaker
you know, they're staying, they're like staying relevant. I think they're having issues with like park them in because obviously if Cedar Fair doesn't want to work with them, six flags is probably a little skittish about it. Now that they're merged, it's probably going to be even worse for Intamin. There's no way they, they, they don't, it's not that Cedar Fair doesn't want to work with them. They're just too cheap. Yeah.
00:54:52
Speaker
But yeah, so now so it's just kind of like who's going to like what's next. I mean. The era of like crazy, weird prototype coasters, I think is is is out, you know, like. In the early to mid to that or mid 2000s, right, you had the hydraulic launch era. And then. There was like the RMC era and then now we're kind of in this like multi-launch, intense, kind of Gerstlauer mock premier era, but like, you know, what's next? Is there ever going to be a traditional like chain lift, 32 passenger train, coaster type thing built in the future? I don't know.
00:55:48
Speaker
Obviously, the answer is Six Flags Kidia. That's true. Balcon's flight, baby. Yeah, I saw the pictures of them completing that, and I'm curious when they're going to start testing. That'll be pretty cool. Like I i went seeing the first full circuit test of that ride is going to be pretty amazing.
00:56:18
Speaker
That's in. It's it's wild. I'm looking forward to the POV. Yeah. And that's probably as the close as I'll get to it. Yep. Imagine the people who go there and it's like down. I mean, like you pay all this money, like you almost you you almost have to like budget like a whole week.
00:56:46
Speaker
as like a backup plan, just to like, you know, make sure you get on everything. Um, that would suck. You fly all the way there, right? And you do the whole ordeal and like you get on the bus or whatever, and then like, it's hot as shit and you get there and it's like down.
00:57:07
Speaker
Yeah. And they're like, oh, I'm sorry, here's a free ticket. You can come back any day and you're like, I'm flying tomorrow. Yeah.
00:57:24
Speaker
If there is an you know, if there's ever a coaster event with the RT, I'll be jealous of whoever gets to go to that because that'd be pretty cool.
00:57:36
Speaker
The answer is Rob Alvey. Yeah. Come on, Rob, do another trip. Group trip, Saudi Arabia.
00:57:50
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What could possibly go wrong?
00:57:56
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Yeah. I mean, so then if that goes well, right. I mean, do TPR members, um, being all loud and in the middle East. Yeah. I wonder, um,
00:58:13
Speaker
I wonder if like, or I guess I'm curious if the opening of that ride will kind of give intimate a boost and, you know, create some credibility for them.
00:58:30
Speaker
And then, and now like, and now, now that all this came to cost stuff, right? Like all these rumors about King Naka and Intamin offering like extensions or whatever. I'm curious how that turns out. I don't see that happening on King Naka at all.
00:58:52
Speaker
Do you think it'll be a straight removal? Yeah, after what happened with Top Thrill 2, I can't imagine Six Flags working to do that, to do anything like it, you know? Yeah. Whether it's Intamin or anybody else.
00:59:15
Speaker
I would think like if they have the money and they can use Intamin, like that might be that actually might turn out to be pretty good. It's just a matter of if they want to spend the money. I mean, that's the other, well, the other thing too is like whatever they do decide to do with that, like if let's say they extend it, right? Then you kind of have to worry about capacity because it's not like they're going to, it's not like they're going to build like a 300 foot mid course break run or something.
00:59:52
Speaker
I mean, I don't really know. I can't even and visualize in my mind like them actually extending it, you know? Yeah. Unless it's one of those things where it just hits like a shit ton of trims, you know, it trims it down to like 80 miles an hour and then it does like, ah you know, like an accelerator kind of ending.
01:00:21
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Yeah, I don't see them making modifications like that.
01:00:27
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Just based off a top thrill, too. Yeah, I mean, that is. Yeah, I mean, and that's the other fucking thing is like, what the hell are they going to do with that? Like, do you think like what percentage odds do you think they're going to just walk away from that? And then it's like, oh, shit, we've been marketing this ride for two years and now we're just going to walk away from it. That's so insane.
01:00:55
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Yeah, but I think there's a there is a chance of that. Yeah, certainly.
01:01:03
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Because you know the phrase cut your losses, right? Which at a certain point, if they're just pouring in money to, you know, maintenance and R and&D and shit,
01:01:17
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I would be curious to know like how much budget, like how much cost actually is going to Cedar, Cedar fair and how much of it Sam Perla is covering. Um, I'm, I'm curious like what that contract looks like. Cause it's going to like, I don't know if it'll s sink visit and Perla, but I mean, it could, if depending on like how much it costs them, just like, I mean, X two sunk arrow.
01:01:45
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Yeah, definitely. Although how much did top throw two costs? Um, I actually have no idea. I wonder if our CDB has it.
01:02:04
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Um, so it says 25 million, but I don't, that might include the original cost.
01:02:18
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because it's actually not, I wonder if RCD has this as, I know they're separate. Yeah, they're two separate entries.
01:02:39
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Top thrill dragster. Oh no, it redirect it redirects you. um So yeah, I think 25 million was the original cost of the ride. I'm actually not sure how much the addition costs.
01:03:06
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I'm looking up the cost of X two right now. Fucking 45 million to build 10 million to renovate. Oh shit.
01:03:17
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Yeah. So no wonder that shit sunk arrow.
01:03:26
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Cause I think dragster was probably like half of that. Yeah. And I mean, they're in actually with inflation. I mean, they're built pretty close together. Yeah, that's it. Cause X two opened in 2002.
01:03:47
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It was supposed to open in 2001, but it opened in 2002. Yeah. And dragster was 2003.
01:04:00
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God, 45 fucking million dollars. Can you imagine? That's only ah four and a half. The Dark Knight Coasters.
01:04:21
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Which I think is funny how the dark night costs $10 million. dollars
01:04:28
Speaker
And they built that, like they built the dark night, you know, you know, mid 2008, like right after the crisis, but they just wanted to add a new coaster. But it's just funny how it still costs them $10 million. dollars When, you know, like a GCI or gravity group probably is not, was not that much.
01:04:59
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I'm looking it up on the inflation calculator now.
01:05:07
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Oh, and it needs it to be the value maxes out at 10 million. So do that then.
01:05:36
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So Ozark wildcat was built in 2003 and it only costs 4 million.
01:05:46
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Okay. So according to the inflation calculator, that 45 million is like 76 million today. Okay. Yeah, that's pretty substantial. That's what I'm saying. That's ah that's actually more than even like the cost of came to car and then plus the million dollars a year to operate. Yeah, dude, that's closer to like. When. Spider-Man at Universal's Islands of Adventure opened in 1999, I remember that they they said that was a 100 million dollar ride.
01:06:28
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Oh, shit, OK. In 99. Yeah. So, you know, magic mountain was almost halfway to the cost of fucking spider man.
01:06:58
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I was trying to look up the cost of steel dragon 2000.
01:07:02
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Cause I know that one was pretty expensive too. Uh, it's not listed though.
01:07:16
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So millennium forest costs 25 million. That's still 20 million less than X. Yeah.
01:07:35
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And that's so crazy. Oh, Goliath doesn't have a price tag, but I'm guessing it's probably about the same.
01:07:52
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Yeah, I thought I remember just general ballpark figure for like a B and M coaster would be around the 17 to 22 mil range. Yeah.
01:08:06
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granted, that's total investment. So, you know, that's, that's not just buying the coaster, that's also building the station and pouring the queue line and marketing and shit, but you know, fucking 45 million bucks.
01:08:27
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I'm curious if that ride paid off. though
01:08:33
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I mean, is that right? Is still I mean, that's still like a star attraction even after all these years. Absolutely, it is.
01:08:50
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And I'm super looking forward to getting on that again.
01:09:02
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Yeah. Cause even, I mean, even when you go to six flags and it's dead, like the ride still has like a 30, 45 minute wait.
01:09:13
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It's just the time scale of rides is always kind of interesting to think about how, you know, now X two is 20 plus years old and it's still popular. Same with, you know, dragster came to car. Um,
01:09:30
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And now a lot of the rides that they've built in the last couple of years have not had, have not had that status.
01:09:43
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Is it fair to make that statement so soon though? Well, no, I mean, but like, it's just philosophical about it. but well I just mean, it is, it's just kind of funny to think how like,
01:09:59
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you know, those rides over all these years are still popular and they still have that draw and yet like a ride that say 10 years old, although I guess is, I don't know. Cause like, I guess, uh, like Intimidator or Kings Dominion is still kind of like that. I say, did you mean Pantherian? Oh yeah. Which it's not a bad theme, but it's also kind of like,
01:10:31
Speaker
I don't know if it really fits the ride at all. Like, I don't know. I get they're trying to go with a specific theme, but I mean, the colors look cool. Would you say that matches the theme of a giga coaster? I don't know.
01:10:55
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Better than Orion.
01:11:02
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Yeah, I guess they're going for a jungle theme to the whole area. From Dale Earnhardt to jungle. Mm hmm.
01:11:18
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I'm actually sorry, we need jungle. I'm actually curious if in. Intimidator, how much that one costs, I was twenty five million as well.
01:11:32
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That's funny. It costs as much as millennium. So 10 years later, it costs as much as millennium force. Dang.
01:11:49
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I mean, they didn't hire Stengel for that. Probably saved him a few bucks. Oh, really? Yep.
01:12:04
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Interesting. What else has any done?
01:12:15
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um Everything by like. um RMC, obviously. And Vekoma.
01:12:33
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I don't know if they've done wooden coasters.
01:12:47
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Um. Cause yeah, pretty much most of the classic B and M and Intamin's were all done by Furnished Dingle. Yeah.
01:13:03
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Someone's got to step it up. There's a velocity coaster was not done by him. No, that's Keith McVean. Bad nitrous. If you recall from the gap.
01:13:18
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Bad nitrous. Maybe. Brings a bell, but I can't picture. So wait. So that was done. The ride design, like the layout design was done by.
01:13:31
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Did he work for the park? Like Universal? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
01:13:40
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That's cool. He's a gap guy. He didn't post a ton, but he was on there. Yeah. And um he's the one who used to do the like fan animations of the coasters way back like 20 years ago.
01:14:00
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fan animations and then eventually ended up becoming the person who did the promotional graphics. Okay. For the rides when they were announced. Okay. Nice. So he's, he's still doing that. I think as a side gig.
01:14:33
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Anyway, yeah, Velocico was done by Keith. So well, well done, Keith.
01:14:42
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Yeah, I mean, at this point, I wonder. Someone's got to step it up next. It also is kind of sad that now with this merger, right, like. I wonder if we're just going to stop seeing, I mean, I think the era of like the Giga and the Strata coaster are kind of dead, but.
01:15:04
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I wonder if there'll be any, you know what I mean? It's like, it's kind of like the industry did it and it was cool and they learned a lot and now they're like, let's never do that again. I just don't think any parks are going to spend the money for that. There's no point anymore because there's no real r ROI in that.
01:15:28
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The coaster wars are done. Yeah. Cause they reached the,
01:15:35
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the ceiling, if 25 million for a single investment wasn't the ceiling in a season, then certainly 45 was, right? yeah So we're not fucking spending that much on a single season investment anymore.
01:15:59
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I wonder how much wrath of rickshaw cost. That's a good question.
01:16:06
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I did want to, I did want to send some love to great America after they officially recognize us with, uh, in, in one of their memes they made.
01:16:26
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Yeah. It doesn't say the cost. That's okay. We can figure it out.
01:16:40
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Try just googling it.
01:16:45
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Google AI will be like a season pass to Six Flags costs.
01:17:02
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A ticket to ride the wrath of Rakshasa roller coaster at Six Flags Great America in Gurney, Illinois costs $875. Perfect.
01:17:16
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I want to take a screenshot of this, but like, I don't know how to do that on a Mac. Just Google it. Trust me.
01:17:33
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So Ben, we got some voicemails. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. Let's, let's dive into those. Yeah. And I also want to take a second to let our listeners know, uh, we no longer have the Google Google voice number that we used to give out.
01:17:49
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It's no longer ours. So don't call it. Well, don't leave it a message so because we won't. Yeah, we won't get it. So um I'm going to try to change it everywhere. But we do have a new service. ah it's It's easy. You can record right through your phone or on a computer, whatever. um And it'll email directly to us so we can really easily play it here at the show.
01:18:19
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01:18:34
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All right. i'll hope i'm Yeah. so to know Yeah, so it's it's very easy to do. um And if you send us a voicemail, we will play it on the show. So that said, we've got a couple today. I think we got one from ah ribs and bacon and two from Luna Russ. So I'm going to start off with ribs and bacon here and see what's going on. Hey, it's so um some bacon. I'm here at Six Flags, Great America on a Saturday, on October 26th, which is the busiest day of the year, apparently. Just wanted to share that I had a little disturbing thing happen to me at the park today, and I was having to deal with a gentleman in some rather racist tattoos.
01:19:25
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one of which was a SS lightning bolt over one of his eyebrows. And before you ask, that is definitely not the Harry Potter tattoo that people would confuse it for. It was definitely that Nazi lightning bolt logo that a certain type of Nazi in World War II would wear. Now, I'm not gonna say much except that I can't believe that we're allowing that kind of hatred and vitriol in a theme park where all walks of life are welcome.
01:19:56
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Now, before you say something, well, you should be allowed in too, but I don't think you should be allowed in. I think the park actually has some ah rules about offensive things being on your body. So maybe we should ah get those kind of bastards out of the park. I don't know about you, but I guess it's the type of rule we live in when a in certain type of guy running for president is kind of pushing that kind of rhetoric around. So I guess ah everyone should go out and vote. against hate today and
01:20:43
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kind of a bummer. Yeah, that's really sad. So um I'm going to start off with a joke here to keep it lighthearted. First of all, make amusements great again. Now,
01:20:57
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goddamn it, I hate myself. So now um moving on to like a more serious response to this. Fuck that guy, first of all. Now, I think the tactful way to deal with that is the park should just tell him to cover those up. I mean, maybe he was walking like maybe he walked into the park with sunglasses on or something.
01:21:25
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You know, and maybe he's like a really big kiss fan. And he he's getting a kiss tattoo, but he started with the S's and the KI is coming soon.
01:21:43
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What a tacky tattoo. Seriously, what the fuck?
01:21:50
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Like you just want to look in the mirror and not to mention, like you kind of shrink the dating pool quite a bit when you get something like that. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if they're from like, you know, Kenosha Racine. I wonder if they're a friend of that CIFF cam world person.
01:22:21
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Or maybe it's him, you know, he's been off the radar for a while and just. Yeah. with Ribs, was this person taking pictures?
01:22:37
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Yeah, I mean, like. The. At least getting like an eye patch are pirate, you know. Yeah, that's that's wild.
01:22:50
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Maybe it was a Halloween costume, like a really tasteless Halloween costume.
01:23:03
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I actually kind of want to Google that tattoo just to see like, who knows? Like maybe this person has like a tumbler presence or something. Who knows?
01:23:15
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Like, um, I'm going to go Nick incognito though. Just, uh, you know,
01:23:25
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let's see. Ribs. I think next time you encounter somebody like that, you should be like, don't you love banks?
01:23:45
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Okay, so I don't see it, but Googling this is is pretty wild because there's a lot of those types of tattoos out there. um Damn. There's a whole world I did not know about.
01:24:12
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You know what's crazy?
01:24:17
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It's like them they're like Marvel movies, you know, they're pretty big and shit. And like chronologically. Those movies all start with Captain America.
01:24:32
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Yeah. Who's a pretty well known character, right? Yeah.
01:24:40
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who was originally invented specifically to fight fucking Nazis. What is happening with America?
01:24:53
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Who fucking knows? I question it every day. Where has my country gone? And then like, yeah,
01:25:10
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What's, what's crazy too is like, well, I got, Oh fuck my foot. Um, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I guess I don't have much else to say to that, but yeah. Um, fuck Nazis at a minimum. I hope it wasn't a new tattoo.
01:25:39
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Yeah. Did it look shiny? Cause that's really bad. Like post 2016 tattoo. That's a little more alarming.
01:25:55
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Well, I'll keep an eye out. What's it's crazy to you how like Like you think of Wisconsin or like just the Midwest in general and then like, you know, it's like, it's not the South. It's not, you know, like Virginia, it's not. And then like, like I remember in high school, people would always like fly the Confederate flag. It's like, you're in Wisconsin. Like, what are you doing?
01:26:35
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Heritage not hate. Yeah. Yeah. But like, that's not the,
01:26:50
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yeah it's it's fucking bizarre. Now that I'm thinking about it though. I'm like, what's the over under that like Kyle Rittenhouse had a season pass to Great America? um He's probably at least gone. Like he's definitely probably been there at some point.
01:27:17
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Should we try to get him on the podcast? No, I'm totally kidding. I am totally fucking kidding. Not a goddamn chance. There is ah there is this YouTuber called Goblin420, who does like.
01:27:35
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um Basically, it's like a basic like a straight up weed podcast, um but it's got a lot of views and he's from Chicago. um And he has a few stories about Great America. So it's always funny when he mentions it, like, but the videos are like, you know,
01:27:54
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doing acid at Applebee's or like the time I robbed my Coke plug. Yeah, that's a probably a good thing to put out there.
01:28:18
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I imagine if you're like a Coke guy and you see that, you're like, oh, so bring a gun.
01:28:28
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also well Also, that's the other thing, do all the stories are likes like, you know the video and was probably posted in 2020 or 2021 and it's like like, what's up everyone? So this video goes way, way back, like probably like 2016, 2017.
01:28:55
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Yeah, if it's not more than 10 years, it's not way back. That person still sells Coke.
01:29:10
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Well, let's hope that the Nazis go away soon. Go back to their communes and also like smelling houses.
01:29:24
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Also too, like what business, like if you're in that lifestyle, like what are you doing at a theme park?
01:29:34
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Yeah, like how are you comfortable with that? Right. like I kind of have like a you know like a stereotypical mindset of what the day-to-day life is for those types of people, and then it's just like, yeah, let's just go to Fright Fest.
01:29:55
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You got a can of coke? Yeah, we'll save nine bucks.
01:30:03
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I don't know. I would have said it involved reading Mein Kampf, but I'm pretty sure most of those people can't read. Yeah. Yeah, most likely.
01:30:21
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and write, as you can see on a lot of ah Facebook comment posts on news articles. Yeah, it's like Jews isn't spelled with a G.
01:30:43
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I don't know.
01:30:52
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Yeah, I don't know. It's it's wild. Oh, people. All right. Maybe the voicemails that Lance left have twice as many Nazis in them. Not because he's a Nazi. That's not what I meant to imply in any way, shape or form.
01:31:14
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Well, it's yeah, let's let's see where this goes.
01:31:20
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oh Yeah, let's let's roll it. How's it going? It's Lance. I am at Holiday World today. Currently just got off my first ever ride on the voyage. Man, this thing blows the beast out of the water. It's so its momentum just carries and carries and carries, and it does not let up. um It's closing day, so I'm not gonna get a night ride on this thing, but I don't see how this is a debate between this or the beast.
01:31:50
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the The voyage very clearly ah is just better by a mile. It carries its momentum so well. It's just an overall better ride ah in my opinion. Obviously opinions are opinions, but you know, here we are. So it's just, it's amazing. It's so good. um I get Beast Knight rides far too often considering how close I live to the park, but it's,
01:32:19
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I can just tell already that this is far better of a night ride without even doing it. ah The park is dead. I've only been here about half an hour. And since rope drop, I've gotten two rides in, which was so in the span of about 10 minutes or so, which is awesome. So I got to hit Thunderbird. The legend is closed for the day. So Thunderbird and Raven. And then just lap whatever else I want to lap. So there is your live trip report.
01:32:45
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ah as of time of recording from Santa Claus, Indiana. I hope the recording is going well. I hope everybody listening is having a ah good one, and I hope this recording doesn't suck. So ah talk to you next time, and your favorite coaster sucks. Boom, but he also sent another one, so hold on.
01:33:05
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All right, follow up trip reports. Still at Holiday World getting some re-rides in. Just got off the Raven again. If I were to rank things here, I'd probably put Voyage number one, Thunderbird number two.
01:33:22
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i Honestly, I like Good Gravy a bit more than Raven, so Good Gravy number three and Raven number four. Again, the legend is closed. It looks awesome.
01:33:33
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um But you can definitely tell the difference between the wooden coasters or the voyage with the steel structure and the raven with the wooden structure. It makes a big difference.
01:33:46
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But overall, Great Park, very small. I enjoy the free soft drinks and parking. And the the shirts here are cheap. I got two shirts, they're 20 bucks a pop plus tax. So I have no real complaints. The fact they don't have to answer their shareholders is really nice. Like they they obviously can't build major coasters every few years. Like Six Flags and Cedar Fair can. But It's just different, you know? It's well maintained, well put together, and I have little complaints about this park. um Amazing gluten-free options as somebody who cannot eat wheat. um So many gluten-free options that they do not have at other parks, especially large corporate parks. So this is this is nice. So I'm a little spoiled here. I'm gonna go back to Kings Island. It's gonna be like, damn.
01:34:46
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There's nothing here to eat. There's plenty of stuff there to eat, but and especially for my dietary needs, they actually do pretty good. But a holiday world kicking ass in the food department. um But yeah, see you guys later. Well, thank you, Lance, for leaving that voicemail.
Live Trip Report from Holiday World
01:35:04
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So in the first recording, were they playing MF Doom in the background?
01:35:12
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I don't think so, but possibly.
01:35:20
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I'd say for holiday world, unlikely, but possible. But they just Google like. Spooky music. Yeah.
01:35:32
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No, this picture popped up. Yeah. No, that's that's cool. I I agree. The voyage is definitely better than the beast. Yeah. OK. Who the fuck is saying there's who is debating that? A lot of people do, though.
01:35:51
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Well, I don't know if it's necessarily people say directly that the beast is better than the voyage, but it's like people who are like, yeah, I know how great the voyages, but beast is still number one type of thing. And there, I'm sure there's a lot of people who go ride the beast at king zone who've never even been in holiday world, despite it being like three hours away.
01:36:20
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but it's not on my gold pass. It's in like a different time zone.
01:36:34
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And then, yeah, I mean, the Holly world is such a unique anomaly of a theme park, which is because yeah, like it doesn't, it's not corporate owned. It can do its own thing. Like,
01:36:47
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Um, there's not really a lot of parks in the country that do that. It is, it is funny how it's always the parks that are kind of in the middle of nowhere that end up like that.
01:37:00
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Um, but yeah, that's cool. I, um, curious to hear your thoughts on the others legend, Raven. Um, yeah, I'm, I'm really bummed to hear that you didn't get to ride legend.
01:37:14
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Oh shit. I miss that. Damn. Yeah. He was saying it was closed. Oh, that sucks.
01:37:24
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Cause that's like, he said he really liked good gravy, which is awesome. Looks cool. Didn't Kings Island get the same coaster? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Except it's not food themed. So it's not as cool. Yeah. That makes sense.
01:37:44
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Also, like speaking of how they're getting roaring rapids or something. Oh, are they? I don't know. I happened to be scrolling on that page.
01:37:58
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I wonder whatever came about of that disaster of that Pilgrim's Plunge. Yeah, um and then they renamed it. What was it called, Girafica? Oh, yeah.
01:38:15
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Yeah. it's I mean, that's a cool park. I'm i'm kind of interested. i'm I'm sure it might be a while, but I'm curious what their next coaster will be. I don't see them ever building another wooden coaster though. Really? I mean, maybe, I don't know. Hard to say.
01:38:39
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I mean, I would love if they did, but
01:38:44
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Like I wonder, I wonder if like once they built firebird, if they're like, all right, like this is it for us for steel coasters, or if it's just opening the door for more.
01:39:01
Speaker
Because I mean, that ride had issues, but it you know I don't think it's been that bad.
01:39:11
Speaker
Kind of interesting that all the B and&M wing coasters in America ended up like. Kind of just like in. All like. Not far from each other. Great America, Cedar Point, Holiday World and Dollywood. And now Kings Dominion. Yeah, OK, I guess that one's the furthest one. But even, you know, when you look at a map like you throw a dart on the map, it's like yeah it's pretty much there.
01:39:41
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Ohio, Virginia, Indiana, Illinois.
01:39:50
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It's all just one big thing. Yeah. Called America. And sometimes there'll be a Nazi there. Yeah. I mean, there's no wind coasters and the South or Texas or California.
01:40:10
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I've always, I know this is probably a mechanical nightmare, but I always thought it'd be cool if they could figure out how to do like a flying coaster with the wing seats, you know, like two on each side still, but like put it into the flying position. Are you talking about X? Yeah, like X, but yeah obviously you know, like a single, single position seat though. But yeah,
01:40:40
Speaker
That seems like it would be more difficult than just doing a 4D. Maybe. i think I think the problem with that would be the like whatever mechanism they have to use to you know flip the seats from flying to prone or whatever would probably be really heavy and cause a lot of vibration.
01:41:00
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plus like you know, like B and M's already got that vibration to them. So like if you're in that flying position on the outside seat and you're just like vibrating with all your body weight into a vest restraint, it's probably not going to be very comfortable.
01:41:20
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I mean, like if we accept the premise that vibrations just going to happen on a B and M coaster anyway, yeah then maybe it's not as bad.
01:41:37
Speaker
Or how cool would it be if like I always felt like a vertical station would be cool. What? It'd be totally unnecessary, way too expensive, like not worth it, but you know, just as like a concept. Yeah. Like you, like the station is vertical. So in that position, right? Like the, the, the flying position and the seats are fixed, you know? And so like you go upstairs to go to each row.
01:42:07
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Totally unnecessary, but I just thought it'd be fun.
01:42:14
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OK, so something like the way that like.
01:42:21
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Avatar flight of passage loads. Is that what that does? Kind of, it's kind of like, have you been on Soren? Yeah, it's kind of like that, but it doesn't have to go up into position. OK, yeah, yeah, something like that.
01:42:54
Speaker
And that could be cool, but like there's no point.
01:43:05
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Wouldn't that be hell on the brakes? Not if you you use a chain. So it'd be like a chain, you know, like ah the chain would bring you into position and then carry you out of the station.
01:43:22
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Then you could go up like a vertical lift right out of the station. Go to a diving drop or something. It would work. Actually, if you did like a short train, like a four car train, you could do it. And when it be it wouldn't be that like hassle or wouldn't be that much hassle to it. Maybe that's the way to go. Like a mini, like a mini wing, coat like a mini wing flyer.
01:43:51
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vertical station. That sounds insanely expensive. I'm guessing somewhere in the 45 million dollar range. Maybe.
01:44:11
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Like what it's the thing like what's I i asked this earlier and i' I've been thinking about it, but like what is next, right? Like in coasters, like What is the next 10 years look like? Because we've kind of gone full circle with like riding experiences and riding positions. And now we're all, we're back to the standard sit down lap bar. Now we, you know, multi-launch is kind of like a new thing, new experience, but like, what's next? I mean, the concept of the Diddy Kong coasters pretty fucking cool. Or the Donkey Kong coaster. Yeah.
01:44:50
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where it like jumps the tracks. Mm hmm.
01:44:55
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But I don't really see that catching on as a concept. Yeah, because that that's always got to be like a like in within theming. but Yeah, that that would require a level of theming that I'm sure not many parks would want to participate. Six Flags, though, would be the type of park to buy that off of like a manufacturer and then just not have any theming.
01:45:25
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built in a park, built in a parking lot. Like no, no fake track either. they're Just like, it's just like outside. You're just like three feet above the yeah track, which is a cool experience. But I mean, yeah, but I feel like that means it can't like do as many interesting things as a roller coaster per se. Right. Yeah.
01:45:53
Speaker
It's like, yeah, it has a steel bar holding up, you know, the car itself. So it's not going to be pulling four G's. Yeah.
01:46:06
Speaker
The surf coaster didn't really take off. I haven't heard anything new about that ride, but I'm i'm guessing that's probably still, you know, probably not running as it should.
01:46:19
Speaker
The fact that ah apparently so many people ride that fucking thing barefoot is disgusting. Mm hmm. It's not just barefoot, it's Florida barefoot. It's like hookworm.
01:46:38
Speaker
And sinker. Sinker, I hardly know her. Oh, my God. Shut the fuck up, Zach. There's a shirt. I got hookworm on pipeline.
01:46:53
Speaker
Somebody that loves me got hookworm and all they got me was this t-shirt.
01:47:11
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throughout one wild guess. What are we, what are we looking at? Coaster innovation wise in 10 years.
01:47:24
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oo Um, like,
01:47:35
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So it'd be something that resembles the track from like a Togo ultra twister, but somehow it's engineered that the car is like the vehicle in Jurassic world. Where it's basically a marble, but you stay upright inside. Okay. Yeah.
01:48:04
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That'd be cool. Almost like the, like the SNS, um, what do they call it? The free fly. Where you have like the two pods on the outside of the track that stay horizontal. Yeah. Like the inverse of that. Right. Okay.
01:48:31
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So you're like inside of a structure though. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be cool.
01:48:44
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What about you? Um, I think
01:48:53
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I don't even fucking know. Like like i'm I'm like trying to, I've been trying to think about that pretty much the whole episode, but like I couldn't give you one, maybe more of, um,
01:49:07
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um, maybe something back with like the invert. I don't know about suspended, but like, no, they wouldn't do that again.
01:49:29
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I mean, we got multi-launch. I don't know, maybe, maybe it'll be more of like advanced, like advanced block breaking with like different types of propulsion. Cause like, um, you know, the whole switch track multi-launch as a block zone, uh, concept is pretty cool. And even the first time I saw that in action, it almost looks like it shouldn't exist, right? Like everything you know about coasters is like, Oh no, you can't have like,
01:50:00
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a coaster going 75 miles an hour with like the track switching in the block zone. They figured that out. I'm guessing something to like i don't know make block zones more advanced. I don't know really exactly what.
01:50:19
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um
01:50:27
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maybe instead of having like launches as ways to get to get up to speed, maybe you want like LSMs more as a way to maintain speed, almost like a powered coaster. So you could have like these crazy layouts that aren't reliant on like having a first initial big launch or like a big drop, but like kind of like using LSMs to sustain your speed throughout the whole layout.
01:50:55
Speaker
So like that second launch on West coast racers type of thing.
01:51:02
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Um, well more like, um, I dunno, I'm trying, I'm thinking like if you have a ride, like say Pantheon, but every element is the same exact height. And then you have like a little strips of strip of LSMs like in between each element.
01:51:23
Speaker
So it's not just a, you know, 180 degree top hat. It's like every element is 180 degrees.
01:51:38
Speaker
Okay. So where is some crazy shit? Yeah. So like, or, you know, if it's like on the side of a mountain, right? Like a ride where.
01:51:52
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you kind of like gain speed, but you're you're doing like multiple launches kind of as you go up. I don't know, something like that, like almost to where like the days of having like a big first drop, like relying on gravity either by ah a chain or a launch kind of go away. And we go more into like basically more advanced power, more advanced powered coasters.
01:52:25
Speaker
OK, you say that and I'm going to piggyback off of that with like, you know, the hamster wheel concept. Yeah. More shit like that. So like they can make like a very basic family friendly coaster. But like this one seat. Is going to be fucking insane regardless. Yeah. Yeah, we're like basically like extreme extreme experiences as an upcharge.
01:52:55
Speaker
Yes. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Because it'll only be the one seat or whatever, or like the way that they did on the, what's it called? The DC rivals where like the back car is backwards. Right. Shit like that. Yeah. I've kind of thought about that with B and M's. Like, I wonder how difficult it would be for, let's say like, I don't know, Mako, right? To have like a backwards car.
01:53:23
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Can you imagine how fucking and awesome that would be? Yeah, that'd be pretty sweet. And that's kind of like going off your point of like, if you they parks don't want to spend the money to build new rides, maybe they'll Frankenstein rides, but make it as an upcharge.
Innovations in Coaster Design
01:53:42
Speaker
ah Like also imagine if every inverted coaster ran with the back row facing backwards. Yeah.
01:53:52
Speaker
How fucking crazy would that be? Yeah, that'd be pretty cool. And I'm sure it'll keep being, and m you know, that's like one of those things where it's like B and M's not selling big ticket coasters, right? They'll suddenly like, be oh, actually, you know, pay a whatever and we'll flip one of your cars around. Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm surprised that hadn't caught on more. Right.
01:54:17
Speaker
Because I don't see any like real safety or engineering issues with that. I don't know. Unless B and&M just had. Well, I guess they did it for Batman, but maybe that's a different case. But. I could also see B and&M, like, let's say they do, you know, they do that for like raging bull or something, but the last car is just like a. Like a sit down coaster with a vest restraint.
01:54:43
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I feel like they would be the type of people to do that.
01:54:51
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Well, I'm surprised like for the hypers, not one single park has tried the way they do it at, um, universal Japan.
01:55:04
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Oh, with, uh, American dream. Yeah. They do like two trains forwards, one backwards. Yeah. But it's like a separate queue for the backwards one. Yeah.
01:55:23
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Because you could definitely get. A year's worth of attention for that. Oh, for sure. I mean, even like. ah Unlike those old Intamin hypers. That'd be fun.
01:55:45
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I know there is a video floating around where mock put a spinning car on Blue Fire.
01:55:53
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That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. And that seemed to be a thing that's little by little getting more traction to stuff like that, which is not too dissimilar from like the hamster wheel thing. Right. Where it's like otherwise, I mean, like time travelers, not what I would call a mellow coaster, but otherwise not the most intense coasters. Mm hmm.
01:56:21
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having these like super extreme gimmicks applied to them. Right. So I could see can see that continuing because of the fact that like it can be done more price consciously. z Yeah.
01:56:47
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I mean, other than that, like. maybe do something like a zipper car in the back row. Like the freebie, like the free spin. That's kind of what I want to experience. Like that's one of the last coaster experiences I think I'd want to try is like a basically like a free spin seat on, I don't know, something with like a lot of air time, like Superman ride a steel or something like that.
01:57:24
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What if they could do like a 40 free spin seat on a B and M wing coaster? That'd be pretty cool. Yeah, like back row of X flight just rotates freely.
01:57:40
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And that's that's the thing, too, of like I feel like they could figure out a way to do it to where I mean, because obviously you have to worry about um What happens if the car is flipped upside down at the bottom of a drop? Cause then you're experiencing whatever that AST or ATSM standard is, you're not allowed to exceed whatever it is, like negative 1.5 G's or something. That's probably the only thing holding that back, but they could figure out a way to maybe keep it always level. I don't know.
01:58:21
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OK, well, then forget the free spin portion. They could control spin it. Yeah.
01:58:30
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Somehow. Well, I could probably pull off a 40 coaster if it was like small. That was I mean, I mean, even X and you know admitted that they were like, you know, they said that the 40 coaster was supposed to be like a small thing for small parks and then You know, six flags is like, how about you make it a hyper?
01:58:57
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Yeah. Like I, I'm pretty sure the original vision was like the 40 free spin that we later got. Yeah. And six flags is like, yeah, but can you make it like 200 feet long, uh, 200 feet tall and like three quarters of a mile long.
01:59:22
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And they were like, sure, no problem.
01:59:29
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Those meetings, I bet Alan Chucky was like the one in the meetings like you you guys like we we can't do this like. There's no way we can do this, kind of like in that ace video. Where there's that guy, there's that like disgruntled guy who used to work at Ace, he's ah is like in an IAPA booth. And he's just like,
01:59:49
Speaker
You know, B and&M came out and there's just, you know, we were using antiquated technology. We weren't even using computers. There's no way we were going to compete ever. That was probably like the one guy in all the meetings that was being like really negative. It's like, you guys, it's 20 to like 2002. Like we should probably use a computer for this.
02:00:13
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RunTumor is like, but I've always used co-hangers. coat hangers and drawing pads. Where's my compass? I used to design rockets. I left a protractor around here somewhere.
02:00:42
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Shit, man.
02:00:48
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Well, if you have any, anyone else's future of coasters, we can give us your predictions. We want a voicemail detailing your thoughts. We will review in a 2034. And if you're correct, uh, you get a t-shirt, I guess. Sure. Yeah.
02:01:17
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Yeah, no, um I will say it felt really good to ride a coaster and be at a park. Yeah. It's the first time I had done either of those things since I moved.
02:01:34
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Yeah, for sure. The resident.
02:01:38
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Yes. And, um, I'm pretty sure, um, now, so magic keys for Disneyland are going on sale the day after the election.
Theme Park Passes and Event Tickets
02:01:52
Speaker
So that helps calm everybody down. Right. But that is to say, I think you should probably expect a decent number of Disneyland updates from me starting soon.
02:02:11
Speaker
Wait, is that, is that, are you going into the park? Uh, we're going to get magic keys. But what's, so what is a magic key? Annual pass. Oh, gotcha. Okay.
02:02:25
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So we'll probably be there as we can, like ideally once a month or so, maybe. I mean, yeah, if you're that close might've, yeah, that's, that's a good deal.
02:02:43
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And then we also found out that like universal Hollywood's annual passes are like stupid cheap on a payment plan.
02:02:57
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What do they, what do they charge for that? Is it as much the lowest tier one? There's some activation fee. I'm not sure what that is, but then it's seven bucks a month. Oh, that's not bad. No.
02:03:16
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So we might get those, too. Yeah. Just fucking have the option. Obviously upgrading the six flags to the all pass. Paul Park Passport in January.
02:03:34
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So we'll get Great America and not. We already got Discovery Kingdom and Magic Mountain included. So, you know, speaking of just all this stuff going on,
02:03:47
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Isn't this the time of year that holiday world puts out tickets for. um Hollywood nights. Yeah. And maybe.
02:04:06
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2025.
02:04:13
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Oh, it's Hollywood with. it Yeah, it's it's Hollywood, but it's spelled H.O.L.I.
02:04:25
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Wood. As in would you rather? No, just kidding. Wait a minute, it's already the gravy games. May 31st through June. Oh, 2024. OK.
02:04:42
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Yeah, I was gonna say I haven't heard anything about it. Although, apparently I missed Disneyland's announcement about magic key sales. Yeah. Because I've only just heard about it this past weekend, when they actually announced it three or four days prior.
02:05:04
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So boy, am I red in the face.
02:05:13
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Okay, yeah, I don't see any announcement for this. I wait three weeks ago on Reddit, let's see.
02:05:46
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Okay. Yeah, I don't, I don't see anything. I might try to get tickets for next year.
02:05:54
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I might try again. I don't think it's fun. Yeah. I don't think they'll change the, hopefully they increase the the numbers a little bit, but who knows.
02:06:13
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It does suck that it's like such a hassle because I feel like the, like the spectrum of the amount of guests they could ah accept to where people would be happy versus like the amount, like versus like super limit. Like, I mean, whatever, what did they, what did they have last year? It was, I don't know what they cap it at like 400 or something. Yeah, I don't remember.
02:06:41
Speaker
And everyone is like, yeah, I mean, the stations were like half empty. They're sending like three quarter full trains. Everything was a walk on. And it's like, OK, so you could probably double that and still have walk ons.
02:06:58
Speaker
Yeah, definitely, because everybody's going to generally go to the fucking foliage anyway. Right.
02:07:14
Speaker
Well, we'll see. I might try whenever that whenever that pops up. I feel like it's usually around this time of year. I just remember the last two years, I like went to the link early and I set an alarm and I was like, all right, cool. We'll be right in 15 minutes. And then I just completely forget about it for 30 minutes and I'm like, fuck, fuck, fuck. I mean, it's already you sold out.
02:07:38
Speaker
Yeah, right. That's the problem. It sells out too goddamn quick because I feel like I had the tickets in my cart and then there was an issue and then the tickets were gone. Yeah. But, you know, we will see what's up.
Societal Fears and Political Events
02:08:06
Speaker
Well, Yeah, you got anything else Ben? I just got a piss. Well, then it seems like it's a good time as ever to wrap it up then. Well, I guess not if you got a piss, don't wrap it up then. Um, Hey, not if you want to make a balloon animal.
02:08:26
Speaker
Yeah. With the worst pop ever. um
02:08:34
Speaker
Thank you all for listening so much. We appreciate it. um Hopefully we'll be back next week. More shit for you. If America's still here. Spoiler alert. Yeah, who knows should be.
02:08:56
Speaker
Well, uh, yeah, we'll, uh, stick around though. We'll get through it no matter what happens.
02:09:08
Speaker
Yeah. We may be reporting from our separate individual bunkers, but you know, we will not cease to exist here on your favorite custard sucks. And unless Trump does an executive order to ban theme parks, which, uh, you know,
02:09:26
Speaker
I don't think will happen, but you never know. No, if anything, it'll be like the steel, the steel at the theme parks in Ohio. I was, I was a big fan of theme parks, but you know, you ever ever seen these things, all this steel and it's not in use for half of the year. Why don't we use that steel?
02:09:49
Speaker
I'd be like, they're eating the dogs and the cats in Ohio.
02:10:06
Speaker
I I'm really starting to believe in simulation theory. Mm hmm. And it's wild how. It's like everywhere. I mean, there's like so many different realities existing at the same time, too.
02:10:34
Speaker
It's fucking wild.
02:10:39
Speaker
Well, yeah, because like everything now is like. It's like. Oh, it's it's beautiful outside today and it's like. No, that's not true. Mm hmm. The fucking liberals want you to believe it's beautiful outside today.
02:11:05
Speaker
Yeah, my favorite is the the weather machine conspiracy.
02:11:10
Speaker
for hurricanes. They've been controlling the weather for years.
02:11:17
Speaker
It's it's either weather machine or it's like there were literally people on Facebook who were like, like, is this hurricane real? They gave us they said this is the most powerful hurricane in existence. But I looked on my window and it's it's a blue sky and it's sunny day. I don't see any hurricane.
02:11:37
Speaker
Are they faking the radar to make people scared and stay in their homes? Meanwhile, there's like full evacuations happening.
02:11:49
Speaker
Well, I mean, like I kind of I hate to say it. These people are almost in the right direction about the weather machine, but it's like they're stopping short of the actual answer because it's like, well, yeah, fracking causes major changes to the climate.
02:12:08
Speaker
So, yes, in in in a sense, there is a machine that can control the weather and the government has sat idly by and profited off of it. However. It's not some fucking supercomputer where they type in Hurricane North Carolina. It's fucking Exxon Mobil.
02:12:35
Speaker
So like it's just like push a little bit further and you'll get there. Yeah.
02:12:45
Speaker
Oh, man. And that's what I always say, especially when I'm taking a shit. And on that lovely note, I think it's time we wrap the show up. Yeah, that's that sounds good.
02:13:03
Speaker
ah Send us more voicemails. We'll just, we'll play whatever you want. Yes, please do. Unless it gets weird, but we'll find that line when we get there. Yeah, yeah, we'll let you know. um Go vote.
02:13:23
Speaker
Yeah, at least, you know, and look up things before you vote on them. Not for the one candidate. I won't say which one. You can guess.
02:13:36
Speaker
Um, I don't know. I hope the world doesn't end. I have a, I, I'm probably wrong, but I have a weird suspicion that like, yeah like, if you look back on the last couple years, remember how like crazy amped up people were during like the whole 2020 stretch?
02:14:08
Speaker
Like, yeah like in.
02:14:12
Speaker
All the fears we had didn't come. I mean, obviously things, real things did happen. I'm not trying to like say nothing that happened. It's just but, you know, like our fears were didn't access, didn't necessarily match what ended up going down. And like, yeah, but that was all before January 6th.
02:14:36
Speaker
Well, right, we're right. ah That's what I was getting into. But like, but I guess my point though is like what, but even then, like, right. Like that, that event was obviously a real event, but like what I think a lot of people thought though, like worst case scenario was like even worse than that. Point being what I'm trying to say is, uh, hopefully we don't, uh, blow ourselves up.
02:15:04
Speaker
Yeah, I guess I'm not really afraid of the world ending as much as I'm afraid of like roving gangs of militants. Yeah. But, uh, you know, I guess if there's any, what do you call it? Um, what word am I looking for? Any credibility to this country is that it's full of,
02:15:34
Speaker
bright and not so bright people, but like whatever happens, we'll probably get through it. At least this go around. Who knows? We might not have that much time left. You know, we might, we might fall. Our empire might fall, but I think we got, we got a little bit of a run left. We'll uh, we'll figure it out.
02:15:59
Speaker
Be nice to your neighbors. Be nice to your friends and family, your community, because that's what matters.
02:16:10
Speaker
Yeah, and stick to the local news. Yeah. Anyway, be safe, everybody.
02:16:27
Speaker
I'd recommend, uh, staying in and drinking and watching the delightful little comedy called civil war.
02:16:41
Speaker
That's the thing. I'm trying to find something like hopeful and inspiring to say, but like, I don't have much, but at the same time, like, you know, whatever. I don't want to overhype the, uh,
02:16:55
Speaker
i do so I hope it's boring. like I hope that it is the most boring and uneventful election. like it's kind of like You know what I mean? like It's America, right? we got this economy We got this whole economy based off of like political polarization and scaring people and outraging people. and like Who knows? Maybe they'll just be super boring.
02:17:17
Speaker
It just election happens. It's we figure it out right away. Nothing bad, you know, just and then we just move on and then.
02:17:32
Speaker
Is it likely that'll happen? Maybe not, but. It's not impossible. Yeah, like literally like we could wake up on Wednesday and be like, oh, like,
02:17:47
Speaker
We've been all wound up for nothing.
Theme Parks and Corporate Culture
02:17:56
Speaker
Well, I'm going to cross my fingers for that one.
02:18:06
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. I don't even know what to say. I know what to say. And that's thank you for listening. keep riding coasters or wrong show. No, let's not take that guy's thing.
02:18:22
Speaker
ah
02:18:28
Speaker
Fuck. Just enjoy what you can while you can and who you can before the big economic crash or you get canceled. Yeah.
02:18:42
Speaker
Wouldn't that be wild if just like after the merger at the end of this year, they just filed for bankruptcy six flag Cedar fair. It's been a good run. They have to liquidate like half of their parks.
02:19:01
Speaker
And then our hobby dies. No, that won't happen. Hopefully. You'd have to become a Disney person. Yeah.
02:19:12
Speaker
Disney moves to Florida or and moves to Florida. They moved to like Texas or something. Yeah. They moved Disneyland to Texas. Um, lots of fun. How about Epic universe? There we go. There's something happy we can end on. Yeah. That's if universal doesn't go under.
02:19:39
Speaker
Well, what does, um,
02:19:43
Speaker
the The Joe Rogan podcast bubble buys universal. God.
02:19:54
Speaker
We know which coasters aren't trans. Starfield racers is now a ride theme to your mom's house studios.
02:20:08
Speaker
It's like, ah, OK, roller coasters. Now, I understand that they ah can get stuck upside down if somebody doesn't press the button. And it's like. ah No, that's not. At all, how they work. And it's like, oh, OK, well, then how how do they work? They just saw like burnt in the station with a shirt off like yelling at you.
02:20:39
Speaker
drinking a fifth of Jack Daniel and then the cameras turn on.
02:20:48
Speaker
YouTube theme park, a Google theme park. That's terrifying. I mean, if you listen to their executives, that's how they describe their campus as a theme park.
02:21:04
Speaker
I know they're like, no, it's cool. We got foosball and.
02:21:13
Speaker
You don't ever have to leave. We got a private chef. Black Rock theme park. um That's Las Vegas. Yeah. Because they own all of that shit now.
02:21:35
Speaker
God, what what a depressing world. Yep, what a great ending to this episode. And we're at the end we're entering the offseason. Actually, I think we've pretty much hit the offseason. So there's a double depression right there. Definitely. Is there anything left to make this on a high note?
02:21:59
Speaker
um
02:22:03
Speaker
Not that I can discern.
02:22:10
Speaker
I enjoyed riding two roller coasters at magic fountain. That's good. That's a good way to end things. Air time is good. um Hell yeah. I don't care if that makes me a liberal.
02:22:36
Speaker
Anyway, Yeah, I'm going to go turn off this screen and go stare at another two screens until I go to bed. and Yeah, same. yeah And just maybe have some alcohol. Quell, quell this demon a little bit for now.
02:22:57
Speaker
All right. Well, thank you all for listening. Um, I hope we've left you in high spirits and if not smokeable,
02:23:08
Speaker
I've been on tonight kind of, so I hope you all have been, been appreciating that one. At least it was that right. We kind of peppered in some decent humor for a two and a half hour episode. I mean, it's easy to be funny when things are depressing. We'll see how next week goes. Like but but it's a coin flip, but, uh, I'm excited. We should, we should try to record after Tuesday. We should try to record Wednesday.
02:23:38
Speaker
Just as like, uh, we can either look back on this episode and either be like, damn, that was spot on or we'll wear way off. Yeah. And you know what else we should do? A drinking episode. It's been a while. I could, I could get into that. It's a winter season.
02:24:01
Speaker
What do you think it means when the web pages auto translate to Russian?
02:24:10
Speaker
Um, they're already watching. They know what kind of porn you like. Yeah, I mean. I just put the word Russian in front of every search I do so.
02:24:33
Speaker
And everything is coming back with a drink recipe.
02:24:42
Speaker
I don't know what this Russian back scratcher is but it sounds good.
02:24:50
Speaker
oh god i've never tried moscow moley but so
02:25:07
Speaker
OK, I'm going to this this Molotov cocktail sounds interesting.
02:25:18
Speaker
Just to ah to to circle to bring a full circle back around to political unrest. Hey, there we go. Anyway, with that said, I think it's about time we wrap this shit up. Yeah, I'm going to piss myself.
02:25:35
Speaker
All right. Well, don't do that because this is not a visual podcast. So ah thank you all for listening. Don't let the world bring you down. Not everyone here is that fucked up and cold. um Remember why you're here and while you're alive, experience the warmth before you grow old. Nice.
02:25:59
Speaker
Thank you,