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Episode 162 - Siren's Curse
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This week on the premier comedy roller coaster podcast Ben and Zach discuss Siren's Curse at Cedar Point, Kingda Ka at Six Flags Great Adventure, Wrath of Rakshasa at Six Flags Great America and much more!
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Transcript
00:00:43
urfavoritecoastersux
I'm Zach and I'm high like a hippie.
00:00:48
beb
I'm Ben and I'm ah tired like Snorlax.
00:00:57
urfavoritecoastersux
All right.
00:00:58
beb
i don't i don't think of it what's I don't know what are some sleepy animals, sloths, cats.
00:01:05
urfavoritecoastersux
Cats.
00:01:11
urfavoritecoastersux
Owls.
00:01:15
beb
They're night owls.
00:01:17
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, well, I'm just thinking because they sleep it in the daytime.
00:01:17
beb
An owl's a night owl.
00:01:23
beb
Yeah.
00:01:27
urfavoritecoastersux
I'm not on my A game because I'm high like a hippie covered in the intro. ah Fuck are we doing here?
00:01:37
beb
I don't know.
00:01:37
urfavoritecoastersux
I know what we're doing here.
00:01:40
beb
Yeah, it's weird.
00:01:41
urfavoritecoastersux
I
00:01:41
beb
it's also weird not It's also kind of weird recording in the middle of the day always.
00:01:45
urfavoritecoastersux
It is a little weird. I'm like, should we be drinking?
00:01:50
beb
Yeah, I don't know.
00:01:52
urfavoritecoastersux
Is that I feel like partially we should, but also I'm like, it's the mid afternoon. I don't know if that's the. Although it is Friday, so I guess we'll be releasing this ah today.
00:02:08
beb
nice know
00:02:10
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah.
00:02:10
beb
It's a fresh drop.
00:02:12
urfavoritecoastersux
So if you listen on Fridays, we just recorded this.
00:02:18
urfavoritecoastersux
Absolutely. it's It's about as close as we've ever done to a live show. And except discounting the times we did some live recordings.
00:02:30
beb
Oh yeah, that's right.
00:02:33
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah. Yeah. um Welcome back, everybody. to Your favorite coaster sucks. We are an all roller coaster podcast. If you couldn't tell.
00:02:47
urfavoritecoastersux
We also.
00:02:47
beb
Mostly not, but sometimes yes.
00:02:50
urfavoritecoastersux
We occasionally, yeah, we occasionally ah delve into the realms of, uh, airtime and chain dogs and, uh, yeah.
00:02:59
beb
The life of an enthusiast of everything except being at the theme park.
00:03:07
urfavoritecoastersux
Well, and like the other thing is like, we both like, here's a weird thing, right? Is that like parks generally aren't in cities and I feel like enthusiasts are the same way.
00:03:20
beb
Mm-hmm.
00:03:22
urfavoritecoastersux
like it's rare right and I just wanna say real quick yes Dana I hear you talking about Coney Island and
00:03:22
beb
And if they are in a city, they usually suck. Alla Eelich.
00:03:29
beb
Which like is still, every time I think about that park, it's like, man, if this park was cool, this would be actually like a cool park. but it's
00:03:47
beb
Which is in a city, but it's not like it's in Manhattan.
00:03:54
urfavoritecoastersux
I'm not about to start the Burroughs fight.
00:04:02
urfavoritecoastersux
I'm on the wrong coast for that.
00:04:06
beb
One thing though, I mean, I like those photos of the parks in China that are like literally in a, like a cluster of high rises because it makes like, um, where the hell is that one? There's like one of those Intamin multi-launch coasters that's 280 feet tall or whatever, but it looks so tiny compared to the giant skyscrapers.
00:04:34
beb
That's where they, they
00:04:34
urfavoritecoastersux
I would I would love to like take a tour of one of those apartments or offices or whatever just to like see what the actual view of the coaster would be and like also
00:04:49
beb
Well, some of those are like ghost cities. They build like the whole city. It's like, uh, how they'll occasionally build row, like a rows of suburbs before they're, before they're all purchased, but they do like entire cities. Like, Oh yeah. Here's a 1.5 million person city. We just built. That's 10% occupied.
00:05:10
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, dude, China has its own Paris.
00:05:13
beb
Mm-hmm.
00:05:15
urfavoritecoastersux
It's a ghost city of Paris. They were. It was like they were like, oh, Las Vegas has the Eiffel Tower. We have our own Paris.
00:05:26
beb
Yeah, and they have they have like weird recreations of there's even ah they like recreated parts of. ah um What's the Italian place with the canals, Venice?
00:05:38
urfavoritecoastersux
Venice.
00:05:39
beb
Yeah. And just like weird shit like that, just entire little villages or cities just replicated. If they're going that far, they might they should make like a like a recreation of like a Minecraft recreation of a city.
00:05:56
urfavoritecoastersux
I was going to say, just like build an exact recreation of Las Vegas and then one of them. Why not?
00:06:12
beb
I mean, they could in the the funny thing was they would have to then build the, well, it's like they build the New York, New York hotel, but like, as like the exact scale. So it's like, yeah, we built New York, but it's the New York, New York.
00:06:30
urfavoritecoastersux
Right? Yeah. Build, rebuild, rebuild all the landmarks that they've built, but arrange them in the way that they are then in the order of the strip. So they have like a rebuilt New York and then further down is the rebuilt Paris. Then it's the rebuilt Venice.
00:06:55
urfavoritecoastersux
There's a really big lake with a great fountain show.
00:07:01
beb
I mean the if they that's what's crazy is like I wonder what it's like to live in those places if they even understand like if that it is a recreation or if they just think it's an original it's like yeah I'm in the yeah I'm in the ah I'm in the Empire State Building but you have no concept of the real one
00:07:32
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, you're like, wow, this is an accurate recreation of Paris. And they're like, Paris?
00:07:46
beb
spooky and like um if they also do recreations like it'd be funny if they also did like I don't know like they recreated they have like a skid row
00:08:02
urfavoritecoastersux
Right? Like, why don't they make a recreation of some American cities?
00:08:12
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, come on. Give me Austin, Texas in China. I want to see Washington, D.C. in China.
00:08:26
beb
But it ended up but just being like a mini mall. like it's like It's just like a shopping center.
00:08:31
urfavoritecoastersux
yeah the National Mall.
00:08:33
beb
so
00:08:38
beb
yeah the ah The Capitol building is like a just like a shoe store.
00:08:50
urfavoritecoastersux
It's a January 6th museum. Too soon? Okay. ah
00:09:01
urfavoritecoastersux
Again, all roller coaster podcast here. We don't waste time fucking around like some shows.
00:09:06
beb
And, uh, I mean, on that we are close to an election, which is pretty crazy.
00:09:15
urfavoritecoastersux
It is.
00:09:16
beb
Which also just adds more time references to how long the show has been going because I think we recorded one, like the day after the last one or something.
00:09:29
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, yeah, we were like, we were like, okay, so if we have to go into hiding, and also I remember being on like,
00:09:30
beb
I remember that, like, I remember still vividly like recording that one.
00:09:49
urfavoritecoastersux
the voice chat in our discord when like one of the people that hung out in there regularly i forget who it was at the time was like uh people are like breaking into the capital and it's just like what turned on the news like what the fuck is happening
00:10:05
beb
Yeah, I remember that.
00:10:15
beb
Yeah, I was like, I was working from home that I remember I was working from home that day and I was just following like YouTube live streams. Yeah, that was wild. That was wild to witness. That was like one of those things I feel like I witnessed pretty much the whole thing, like from start to finish.
00:10:31
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, no, I like as soon as I heard that I turned the TV on and then like I was glued to the TV the whole day.
00:10:40
beb
Yeah. And then, uh, well, I also wonder if that was like, it was kind of that whole period because that was the second. I actually know that was basically the winter of COVID because COVID kind of hit in spring.
00:10:55
urfavoritecoastersux
In spring, yeah.
00:10:56
beb
Yeah. So that was like winter plus COVID and everyone was like really locked in their houses. It was like that period where everyone's just basically on.
00:11:07
beb
Twitter, TikTok, YouTube, 24-7.
00:11:11
urfavoritecoastersux
Yep, everybody was just reposting everything.
00:11:18
beb
Meta on meta content.
00:11:20
urfavoritecoastersux
Doom scrolling.
00:11:26
urfavoritecoastersux
And to think generative AI was still not super commercially successful yet.
00:11:33
beb
Yeah, I don't think, i don't I mean, I remember it took probably trying to remember, I think the whole image generation kicked off. It was like 20, 22.
00:11:45
beb
When that, because the first one that was big was that crayon ai that was mass adopted, which is funny looking back to how shitty that was.
00:11:55
urfavoritecoastersux
Right. It was like it would be like basically bad photo shops from the 2000s.
00:11:55
beb
um
00:12:04
beb
Mm hmm.
00:12:05
urfavoritecoastersux
Be like, oh, draw Mickey Mouse ah spray painting a wall inside of a Walgreens.
00:12:17
beb
Yeah. And everything had that, I mean, everything, I mean, it was designed to be kind of ah a drawing, like a literal, like look like a literal drawing, but faces were really fucked up. It couldn't do glasses, couldn't do hands.
00:12:29
beb
I mean, still can't do hands, which is kind of funny.
00:12:33
urfavoritecoastersux
No, I'd be like 15 fingers.
00:12:35
beb
Mm hmm.
00:12:42
urfavoritecoastersux
Oh, man. Is this show produced by AI?
00:12:47
beb
It could be, give it a year or two.
00:12:51
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, I don't know if we've given enough data to our bot yet, but a couple more hours of recording, folks.
00:12:57
beb
Yeah, I've tried. Yeah. I mean, I've tried to play around with it. Like I've, I've given chat, GBT prompts of like write a script for a, your favorite coaster suck show, but it's pretty generic. It's like, I don't even think and it knows our name yet.
00:13:18
beb
It just says like today we're going to talk about roller coasters.
00:13:18
urfavoritecoastersux
It's like, i'm I'm Zach and I'm excited. Yeah, I'm Zach and I'm excited to ride a roller coaster. I'm Ben and I'm also excited to ride a roller coaster.
00:13:34
beb
Yeah. And then it, and then it basically goes into the, like, um, when it tries to be funny, it's like, but more importantly, how many cotton candies can I eat in one sitting? I don't know, Zach.
00:13:48
beb
But this new ride looks really wild. Hope I'm not too scared for it.
00:13:54
urfavoritecoastersux
The weirdest part is when it's like, how many Jews? And you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:14:11
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, um anyway, that was totally a joke, by the way. A.I. is very racist if you get to it because it was trained by the Internet.
00:14:22
beb
Let's see it.
00:14:22
urfavoritecoastersux
The Internet.
00:14:23
beb
Now there's on chat, GPT four Gemini.
00:14:34
beb
Let's see. The one that remember that one with the WDW news. That was pretty funny.
00:14:44
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, yeah, we we got we like. We I think we got all the value out of it that we could.
00:14:57
urfavoritecoastersux
um If I'm being completely honest, here's where I find chat GPT most useful. Resumes.
00:15:06
beb
Mm hmm.
00:15:09
beb
Also like.
00:15:10
urfavoritecoastersux
I've gotten pretty good at prompting it to refine my shit down.
00:15:19
beb
Yeah, so I just I just put this one in. It doesn't know our names yet, which is good.
00:15:27
urfavoritecoastersux
It's just being coy.
00:15:32
beb
Let's see.
00:15:36
beb
It doesn't even, yeah, it doesn't b list any coaster names. Basically it says, today we're tackling a fan favorite coaster name. We've got a lot to cover from its history to its infamous reputation. Let's catch up on some news.
00:15:55
urfavoritecoastersux
What? OK, so which coaster should we cover today then? Because we were going to do that. We started once.
00:16:02
beb
Oh yeah. um How about... King Naka since that's been in the news.
00:16:11
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, definitely.
00:16:12
beb
It's also very polarizing.
00:16:15
urfavoritecoastersux
Sure is. um I mean.
00:16:20
urfavoritecoastersux
To be completely fair, I've only written it once. um you was not as good as dragster that's for sure right
00:16:32
beb
Yeah, I guess the downs, the cons of the ride for me were location, the park, like, so even though it's taller and faster, it doesn't feel taller and faster because it's in a parking lot. And then, uh, second thing was there's no real midway interaction to the ride. So.
00:16:54
beb
Even the queue line doesn't even really get that that close up to it. So, which is like all the, I don't know, half of the fun for dragsters, like being able to stand next to it and the queue line is like right in between the tracks and all that stuff. Um, and then obviously restraints, restraints, overlap bars. It's kind of rough on the launch.
00:17:17
beb
It like, I wrote it in the, one of the rides I wrote on the very back row was like the vibration was fucking insane. And the trim on the top.
00:17:30
urfavoritecoastersux
Definitely. And the fact that the bunny hill really didn't add anything to the ride.
00:17:36
beb
Yeah, that was kind of a let down.
00:17:38
urfavoritecoastersux
It's admittedly better than just a brake run, but it's really just a brake run with more of a decline.
00:17:51
beb
Yeah.
00:17:52
urfavoritecoastersux
You know what I'm talking about? Like it's.
00:17:55
beb
Yeah, and if you flip the if you take a like a look at an image of it from the side and you like flip it upside down, it kind of looks like a cock and balls.
00:18:09
beb
Yeah, the um honestly, like I kind of prefer the straight section on Draxor because. It's rare that you get, I don't know, like I feel like straight sections are already kind of rare, but like To get a straight section where you're going 120 miles an hour, it just kind of has that cool sensation of speed.
00:18:30
beb
Or even though like I'm dragster, you just go straight into the brakes that there's kind of that that those few seconds where you're going full speed and you know, you got the finish line sign and you're like going right next to the cue line and it's kind of cool.
00:18:38
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah. I just about to say the finish line is not immediately at the base of the top hat. There's some track there and that run out is pretty cool.
00:18:52
beb
yeah
00:18:56
urfavoritecoastersux
I guess maybe there's like a very slight amount of positive G at the but base of the.
00:19:01
beb
Yeah.
00:19:04
urfavoritecoastersux
Bunny Hill on Kinga Ka, but I don't remember like any air time.
00:19:06
beb
Yeah. Yeah, me neither. I got like I'm trying to remember where I all wrote it. I wrote it in like the second row and then like the last row. And I don't remember anything. I don't really remember any of the forces of the ride other than the launch vibration and then that trim break, especially when you ride it into the last row, like you really feel it when you go over. It's like, it's basically like a holding break. Especially if you're really used to drag steering that whip over the top.
00:19:46
beb
Like it definitely, you can definitely feel it grab the train until you're pretty much vertical, which I thought was kind of a let down.
00:19:57
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, it's for a better view, quote unquote.
00:20:02
beb
Try to remember, I think I heard that the reason they added the trim was so that they could launch the train faster over the top to prevent rollbacks.
00:20:14
beb
Because I think the, the challenge of dragster was that they have that very small window of speed. Basically, you know, like half a mile per hour, slower, it rolls back two miles per hour faster. It, you know, it's too forceful, too much whip. And then so on dragster or on King Dica, they're able to, the range of speed is way wider and.
00:20:40
beb
That way they can run it faster, but then it, you know, it doesn't hurt anybody when it pulls over.
00:20:47
urfavoritecoastersux
OK, that's fair.
00:20:49
beb
But, you know.
00:20:54
urfavoritecoastersux
But it's not like they're sending out trains at, you know, one thirty.
00:20:59
beb
Yeah, they did. I mean, I remember her this old TPR video where they were like, we're going to ride Kanekah with an extra boost. And apparently, it's something that maintenance can do. um But I also think Dragster can do the same thing. I just don't know if they have the ability to actually do it with Gaston. I don't know. Didn't really look any different. and
00:21:24
urfavoritecoastersux
That sounds more like a legacy Six Flags thing.
00:21:27
beb
Yeah. Just like the old, we're going to run deja vu in manual mode.
00:21:33
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, ooh, maybe it'll miscatch.
00:21:37
beb
I'm pretty sure. Oh, wait, you weren't at the deja vu thing, right? I don't know. I don't think you were. Remember when ace did like a last ride deja vu less.
00:21:47
urfavoritecoastersux
No, I wasn't at that.
00:21:48
beb
Yeah.
00:21:51
beb
Yeah. So I remember they were like, all right, we're going to run three extra trains. And I think there was probably like maybe 50 people that showed up or like 40 or whatever. So it was basically like.
00:22:03
beb
two and a half people's worth of trains. So you could either ride like a middle row twice or wait for the last row and whatever. But on the last train, um, one of the supervisors, he like got into the control panel and I'm pretty sure he was just trolling the Acer's because let's be honest, Acer's are very easy to troll. And he's like, all right guys, I'm going to take over the panel here. Uh, we're going to run the ride for,
00:22:29
beb
special occasion. we're going to run the I'm going to run it in manual mode and I'm going to catch you guys manually. And everyone got all excited because they thought it was going to mean a missed catch. And then of course it didn't happen.
00:22:43
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, that sounds like it's not even possible.
00:22:47
beb
Or maybe like the the manual mode, all the differences like they have to manually release the catch cars. I doubt they like I'm pretty sure the panel does not have a little joystick where they're like moving the catch cars up and down.
00:23:02
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, no.
00:23:05
beb
Like it's not like, yeah, like there's not a button that you hit that's like catch now.
00:23:15
urfavoritecoastersux
And grab it. Yeah, it's not like catching the ah the brass ring. but
00:23:25
beb
That was fun. Everyone, everyone was all like, oh yeah. And then afterwards, um, the supervisor, he like came out and there's that brake fin on the, uh, on the train that you can see in the station. And he was looking at it and he's like, Oh, I didn't. He's like, Oh, I missed it a little bit. I i just nicked the brake fin a little bit, but it's okay.
00:23:51
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, OK.
00:23:53
beb
And then like, These aces like, Oh, that was great. Wow. So much smoother than the automatic mode.
00:23:59
urfavoritecoastersux
Uh-huh.
00:24:03
urfavoritecoastersux
Did you ever get a miss catch on there?
00:24:05
beb
I only got a tower one miscatch.
00:24:08
urfavoritecoastersux
Same. Wait, were we on the same ride when that happened?
00:24:11
beb
Um, this was in 2007. seven
00:24:16
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, probably then.
00:24:18
beb
Yeah, maybe.
00:24:18
urfavoritecoastersux
There's like a big group of us.
00:24:20
beb
Yeah, that sounds right.
00:24:22
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah.
00:24:22
beb
I know I was there with some of our mutual friends when it happened.
00:24:27
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, yeah, and and it was like the last ride of the night.
00:24:28
beb
Yeah.
00:24:30
beb
Yeah.
00:24:31
urfavoritecoastersux
So maintenance was already there.
00:24:33
beb
Mm hmm. Yeah, I remember that.
00:24:35
urfavoritecoastersux
Yep.
00:24:37
beb
The tower to one though is.
00:24:40
urfavoritecoastersux
That's the coveted one.
00:24:41
beb
Yeah.
00:24:43
urfavoritecoastersux
Especially because they had the party deck.
00:24:43
beb
Yeah, the.
00:24:45
beb
Yeah, and then what's cool about that is like the train basically does like the. It basically does like half of the loop, or I guess it's not half, like the back car probably goes past vertical on the loop and then it just sort of like slows down and stops. ah There's a video of it somewhere on YouTube, it's pretty crazy.
00:25:09
beb
Yeah, I wonder why.
00:25:12
urfavoritecoastersux
yeah I remember that it wouldn't do the slow valley it like slowed it down just enough to where like you were saying it would stop almost upside down for the last car and then bring it slowly back and then just stop it completely
00:25:24
beb
Yeah.
00:25:28
beb
Mm hmm. Yeah, and then they it almost looked like it kind of would like. Release and catch until the train became almost horizontal, and then it would rock back and forth a little bit. But what's crazy about the whole design is that they still have to winch it up to the catch car.
00:25:50
beb
Which you'd think that they would just design it to make the catch car go to horizontal or whatever, but yeah.
00:25:57
urfavoritecoastersux
That's what I'm saying, like that seems like a massive design flaw if it's prone to valley right there anyway. I mean, I remember they added the platform. At the one spot in the Cobra role. Because it valid there a couple times.
00:26:19
beb
Well, they had they had the platform, they had the platform, ah like at the top of the cobra roll.
00:26:24
urfavoritecoastersux
Yep.
00:26:25
beb
And then they had the party deck between the cobra roll and the loop.
00:26:30
urfavoritecoastersux
and between the loop and the tower right yeah on both sides I'm pretty sure no the wood was between the loop and the tower
00:26:33
beb
Yeah, yeah.
00:26:39
beb
Or no, the wood, no, the wood deck was. Yeah, yeah, the ah the tower to itself, they had it had its own like graded kind of ramp thing.
00:26:54
beb
But yeah, I never got a, I don't even remember, like, did it actually stop? I mean, I know it valid in the cover roll, but I never remember hearing about it valuing between the loop and the cover roll.
00:27:08
urfavoritecoastersux
I don't think so. I don't think that was a valley spot. I think the two valley spots were between Tower two in the loop and in the cover role.
00:27:18
beb
Yeah.
00:27:23
beb
Got a final picture of that. It was kind of an old mess.
00:27:25
urfavoritecoastersux
It's.
00:27:27
beb
It was like the whole thing was just like a mess.
00:27:30
urfavoritecoastersux
It was and it's especially weird that they had a. Cross over. itself given that it was an inverted coaster it did but it always drove me nuts because he couldn't actually accurately remake it in roller coaster tycoon
00:27:44
beb
Yeah, I mean, it definitely saved on space, though.
00:27:58
beb
Mm-hmm. Yep. I didn't remember that even. Yeah. Even the pre-made one was always was never was at the true scale.
00:28:06
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, no, it was always very fucking small. The pre-made one.
00:28:11
beb
Yeah.
00:28:16
urfavoritecoastersux
Man, I missed a job and that was a good ride.
00:28:20
beb
Yeah. That was definitely my favorite when it was open. And then.
00:28:26
beb
I've got on it. I got two rides on or more than that two visits at Silverwood. It was cooler ride and when I was there during COVID. I mean, it was running like, it's just funny how like six flags can only run it for seven years or six years. And then now it's been at Silverwood for like 15 years without any problems.
00:28:50
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, it's been there forever.
00:28:55
beb
I'm also trying to remember if Silverwood, Aftershock, if they got rid of the Cobra Roll deck.
00:28:56
urfavoritecoastersux
and it's
00:29:06
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, I thought that they fixed that problem.
00:29:13
urfavoritecoastersux
So just for funsies, I looked up how long it would take me to drive to Silverwood and it's only 16 hours from here.
00:29:22
beb
I mean, that's not that bad. That's about what it would take for you to get to Denver.
00:29:28
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, that sounds about right.
00:29:30
beb
Yeah. so So, so aftershock does not have the Cobra roll deck or the party deck. And definitely it looks much nicer. It's way more minimal.
00:29:44
urfavoritecoastersux
yeah I'm pretty sure they fixed all those issues which is good all it took was some competent well okay I'm gonna stop moving on ah Missy deja vu ah the first pieces of The dive ra wrath of Rakshasa dive coaster. Got to great America.
00:30:15
beb
Nice. Yeah. I mean, whether or not it'll open early is a good question, but I think, I think they'll do good with it. I guess the question is whether or not B and&M is going to be able to fix the whole, uh, rattling vibration issue that B and&Ms have been having lately.
00:30:42
beb
We'll see.
00:30:42
urfavoritecoastersux
I wonder what that's do to.
00:30:46
beb
Um, so I watched one of those, um, what's his name? Is it Ryan, the ride mechanic?
00:30:53
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah.
00:30:54
beb
Yeah. I fell into those videos, uh, the past few weeks. And then there are, he was talking about one where there is some kind of, I dunno, some kind of assembly or some kind of, I wish I knew, I wish I remembered what he was talking about.
00:31:12
beb
Basically there's some part. in the wheel assemblies that B and&M typically uses that they recently had changed and it's been swapped to a different part. And so basically the video is like, I don't know if this is the case, but this is like my, my guess. Um, also, I mean, if B and&M, I mean, I don't know when B and&M bought out that whole, I want to look more into that whole history, but B&M is like not the same company as it was, you know, in the nineties and two thousands.
00:31:41
urfavoritecoastersux
That makes sense.
00:31:42
beb
so and in that Ryan mechanic video they also mentioned they also brought up like value engineering which basically like making steel fabrication less precise so there's a couple there's a couple uh suggestions or a couple thoughts there I mean that's the thing though like I don't know I don't remember if I talked about this on the show but like I've noticed
00:31:59
urfavoritecoastersux
Oh, wow.
00:32:10
beb
In my experience in the last two years riding roller coasters that a lot of the old B and M's have like, I won't say gone a shit, but they are not what they were. I mean, the Bush gardens, B and M's were all pretty, except for Apollo, like Apollo was actually fine. Um, but like, yeah, Nemet or, uh, Alpin Geist and Griffin were both pretty, pretty rattly.
00:32:40
beb
And I would even say it's it's not even the same work because I think when people complain about the rattle, it's like not really an issue. It's just something people complain about. But then there's like the vibration and like the, I don't know.
00:32:54
beb
I don't know what the term is. We got to think of a new term for that. It's like not hand banging. It's not rattling. It's like a shuffle.
00:33:04
urfavoritecoastersux
shuffle.
00:33:05
beb
Yeah.
00:33:08
beb
yeah don' it's Yeah, I guess shuffle is a good word for it. Where it's just not comfortable and like, what's funny is like you bring this up and then people say like, oh, you're just being old or whatever. But rides that were, there are now rides that like, there are now Intamin rides and Arrow rides and Vekoma rides that are now older than some of these 90s B and&Ms that are not as rough as the B and&Ms. So like Intamin coasters don't have that problem. ah You know, even riding after shock with silverwood two years ago, it didn't have that problem. It's only the B and M's. And now B and M, there's no, like now it's crazy to think there are now B and M's that are rougher than other manufacturers coasters that are the same age. um I don't know. It's just weird. And like Dominator was the same way, like vibration and shuffle and
00:34:08
beb
to where it wasn't very pleasant. So I don't know what that's all about.
00:34:13
urfavoritecoastersux
Yikes.
00:34:16
beb
And it seems to be a controversial, controversial opinion, because. Granted, I used to be that way, I used to make fun of people who complained about the rattle and now I'm complaining about the rattle, but. And if you God forbid you say Kumba has a rattle like people fucking attack you now.
00:34:35
urfavoritecoastersux
I'll tell you, last time I wrote Riddler's Revenge, which must have been like five years ago, it was pretty shuffly.
00:34:47
beb
Yeah, which is too bad because, you know, it used to not be that way.
00:34:50
urfavoritecoastersux
It makes it.
00:34:53
beb
I mean, it used to be pretty good up until recently.
00:34:55
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, yeah, no, it makes it makes it a little unpleasant.
00:35:01
urfavoritecoastersux
It dampers the enjoyment, that's for sure.
00:35:03
beb
Yeah. Yeah. And like at the same time, Goliath is still glass smooth. And now Goliath is about the same age as Riddler in comparison. I know Riddler was like, what, 98.
00:35:18
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah.
00:35:18
beb
or something, so it's only three years off. But it's like, how is it that, you know, Goliath has no rattle and stays glass smooth, but then um the B and&Ms that are around the same age have this problem?
00:35:34
beb
um And like, I don't remember a raging bull. I don't know. I haven't really experienced it on any any of the hypers. It's usually the, it's like the, you know, the inverts and the floorless coasters.
00:35:51
beb
Cause like raging bulls, fine. Raging bull has that one, like, you know, that spot on raging bull between the like wave turn and the turnaround by giant drop where it kind of goes into the valley a little bit.
00:36:07
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah.
00:36:08
beb
There's a rattle there. That's what I would say is like a definite like B and M rattle to where it's not shuffling. It's just kind of like a. I mean, it's a li like a rattle. You can hear the train rattling through it, but it doesn't like hurt your neck or anything. It's pretty minor.
00:36:25
urfavoritecoastersux
I don't know if that spot's ever really stuck out to me like that, but I don't know. That's like one of the least interesting parts of that ride, particularly that wave turn.
00:36:37
beb
Yeah.
00:36:40
beb
Mm-hmm.
00:36:44
beb
Yeah, I'm like,
00:36:45
urfavoritecoastersux
that
00:36:46
beb
Montu I'm trying to but and like in Florida Montu didn't have it Or Montu had I guess Montu had it but it was like what I would expect Montu to have Like it was like Montu was okay, but like ah my experience on Kumbu is like totally different.
00:37:04
beb
I don't know. Maybe I just wrote it on a bad day Granted it was an empty train and I was in the back row on the side but What
00:37:13
urfavoritecoastersux
That's right. I think one mitigation strategy would be, you know, the stuff we don't want to do. Sit in the front and the middle.
00:37:23
beb
Yeah.
00:37:27
beb
In 90% of my B and M experiences are in the back row. So on the sides. So if it's, if that's the problem, and I've been doing this all wrong the last few years, maybe that's the case, but, um,
00:37:42
urfavoritecoastersux
well I mean typically B and&M's ride better in the back but I think if it's like if the if the shuffle or rattle or whatever is like really dampening your enjoyment then I think yeah the mitigation is good but because part of it too is yes yeah I wouldn't say we're old but we ain't young
00:38:04
beb
Yeah. Well, I guess I, and I, I can fully accept that, that age probably plays a role into it. But then I guess my thing is when you compare B and M's to other rides of the same age, those rides don't have that problem. So if it's like, um, I don't know, like, I guess that's, I think that for me, that's what the frustrating part is like, why is it only B and M's like, obviously people talk shit about Vekomas and arrows, but I don't know. It seems like a lot of the arrows and Vekomas haven't really gotten rougher as they gotten older. Like they're pretty much as rough of as they have been since. Like, I don't know, like a ride, like, uh, like demon. I feel like demon has been that rough since the nineties. It hasn't really gotten like worse. Um,
00:38:53
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, that's fair.
00:38:56
beb
So why is it like B and&Ms are like, you know, you're, they're known as these like sleek, smooth coasters for a very, very long time. And then suddenly after COVID, it feels like they're all going down this declined ride experience.
00:39:12
urfavoritecoastersux
Well, that might have something to do with it.
00:39:14
beb
Yeah. is ah That's what I mean.
00:39:15
urfavoritecoastersux
I mean.
00:39:17
beb
I wonder if it's like some weird mechanical part thing that is throwing these, that you know, that swap things out. I don't know.
00:39:26
urfavoritecoastersux
Well, that's what I'm saying. We're talking about like some of these pieces have to endure going what? 60, 70 miles an hour plus but four, five G's thousands of times.
00:39:38
beb
Yeah.
00:39:40
urfavoritecoastersux
And so like, I don't know if they sit there and do nothing for a long time and have nobody touch them or look at them. Yeah, maybe it fucks them up a little bit.
00:39:51
beb
Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't surprise me if there's parts that were used in trains that they now have to, that are now manufactured elsewhere, like by a different company. Um.
00:40:04
beb
Especially if B and&M is like now it's been like bought out and it's now owned by some other thing. Actually, I wonder if there's a way to look that up.
00:40:17
urfavoritecoastersux
I mean, and that's another thing to consider is that like B and&M is just a contractor who uses a shitload of subcontractors to get a project done.
00:40:29
beb
Mm-hmm.
00:40:30
urfavoritecoastersux
You know what I mean? And that's a lot of those decisions are made by the parks.
00:40:36
urfavoritecoastersux
It's like.
00:40:38
beb
Yeah, I mean, it could also just be parks buying the cheaper option for some of their parts.
00:40:47
urfavoritecoastersux
That's what I'm saying is like. I think there's a lot of assumptions. But like, oh, you buy an Intaminar, you buy an and ah B and&M, but like. It's like. The brakes and the controls and, you know, everything is all different companies.
00:41:05
beb
Yeah.
00:41:06
urfavoritecoastersux
It's not like, oh, just because it's a B and&M, it's the same brake fins. It could be different every different Batman, the ride.
00:41:15
beb
Mm hmm.
00:41:18
urfavoritecoastersux
so and it's the same I assume for like the pieces on the trains and stuff the moving pieces where it's like well you can get the original uh manufacturer piece or we got aftermarket pieces and third-party pieces or
00:41:42
urfavoritecoastersux
We know for sure that all parks are cutting budgets across the board. So wouldn't surprise me if they're like, Oh, it'll save us $2,200 to get like, um, a cheaper axle bolts.
00:41:57
beb
Yeah, exactly.
00:41:59
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, absolutely. Get the cheap one. And then that's it right there. That fucking bolts rattling around and that's what's causing it.
00:42:09
beb
Yeah, or maybe, I don't know, Six Flags Cedar Fair, because of COVID supply chains, they like bulked up on, you know, they they purchased a bunch of ah pieces in bulk, realize it's a problem. But we're like, well, we're not going to put these to waste. We'll just use these up until they're gone.
00:42:28
urfavoritecoastersux
Right, yeah, they're going through their stockpile of parts.
00:42:35
beb
Yeah, I would love to know what that is. I wish there was somebody who could like answer these questions. Also, it's else also like as I look up, I mean, any any like Reddit topic or any discussion topic, generally, whenever B and&M is brought up and someone brings up a rattle, it's like this super decisive or divisive conversation. and you know You got people who are like, I wrote Kumba 30 times and I didn't feel a single rattle. And then he got you got other people that are like, what the fuck? Kumba is the roughest coaster I've been on. So it's just, it's interesting.
00:43:18
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, I mean, we're pretty.
00:43:18
beb
I would say, I mean, I would say now that in the last two years specifically, I wrote a lot of B&Ms, And it's like some, I was like, after this past year or this past trip, I was like, yeah, man, something's like not right. Cause why is it that all of these B&Ms have this problem? Medusa West had it too. Like same thing where, um, that one wasn't as bad, and but there were a couple shuffle spots that it was, it was almost like, uh,
00:43:49
beb
Sometimes in the inversions, it's almost like jack it's like jackhammering in the inversions with like a side to side shuffle, where it's almost like the train can't find the track in those tight turns.
00:44:06
beb
um
00:44:10
beb
And then the whatever the hell it was, Patriot at California, Great America, that's like expected, like, Which actually it wasn't too bad because I think it's not a very fast coaster.
00:44:22
beb
That one had that typical shuffle, but like that's pretty expected because it's like, yeah, it's basically like Iron Wolf. I mean, even even the fuck is it called?
00:44:32
beb
Firebird at Six Flags America was like somehow smoother than Dominator at King's Dominion.
00:44:40
urfavoritecoastersux
interesting
00:44:41
beb
Like Firebird had the like janky spots where you could feel, you know, where like the difference with Firebird was like, you can feel it in the track. Like the shuffly spots were, you know, like in the sort of certain transitions, but then on Dominator, it was like an all over.
00:44:58
beb
The entire course just had that shuffle where it felt like it was more of a train issue.
00:45:00
urfavoritecoastersux
Interesting.
00:45:06
beb
But I don't know.
00:45:07
urfavoritecoastersux
Huh.
00:45:11
urfavoritecoastersux
Well, hopefully, I don't know, being on configure this shit out.
00:45:17
beb
Yeah, or the parks. I mean, it could just be a six flag Cedar fair chain issue. I don't know.
00:45:24
urfavoritecoastersux
could be but if there's issues with their company then it's also possible that like you know ah or the the ownership has changed it's possible that they're providing like they also did budget cuts and then they're like replacement parts or shit you know
00:45:40
beb
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:45
beb
And I mean, to just looking at most people's reviews of, um, of, uh, what the hell is it called? Iron Menace were like, most people agree that that ride has a little bit of roughness to it that they weren't expecting. You can even see it in the video, like, um, like all the media day footage of the on ride, like the, what do we call it? The like.
00:46:10
beb
The view showing the people on the ride, you can have, you can definitely see everyone's heads like bouncing around a lot.
00:46:17
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, there's that one spot like in the helix.
00:46:19
beb
Mm-hmm. Which like normally B and&Ms have never been, that's never been a problem for them. So it's just weird that suddenly there's this problem. So hopefully Ratha Rakhshasa doesn't have it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it does.
00:46:40
beb
We'll see.
00:46:46
urfavoritecoastersux
I'm hopeful but, you know, we'll find out. Let's see, um Cedar Point announced Siren's Curse.
00:46:57
beb
Yeah, fucking Vekoma Tilcoaster out of nowhere. That apparently was I don't know what the actual rumor is because I know there it was supposed to go to like Six Flags Mexico and then it was supposed to be like Six Flags Magic Mountain.
00:47:11
beb
and how it's at Cedar Point.
00:47:15
beb
um Looks cool. like It's one of those things where like if it were at 90% of the other theme parks in the country, it would have been an awesome addition. But because it's at Cedar Point, I don't want to say it's disappointing, but it's also like it's kind of an odd choice.
00:47:33
urfavoritecoastersux
it is
00:47:33
beb
You know what I mean? It's like it's cool, but it's also like dwarfed by their other coasters. You know, like they could, if they put that at like, I dunno, any other Cedar fair park, it would have been like, you know, brand, like the top line star attraction, like, you know, get people out of their homes, come to the park, but because it's at Cedar point, it's like, yeah, it's there.
00:47:59
urfavoritecoastersux
It is.
00:48:00
beb
It's cool.
00:48:04
urfavoritecoastersux
yeah I agree I mean it does look cool but at the same time it's like yeah I feel the same way like what is it adding to the park other than oh the piece of track tilts because it's like oh a straight down drop well got millennium for scott steel vengeance got fucking valraven right there
00:48:15
beb
yeah
00:48:24
urfavoritecoastersux
ah Oh, it's got air time. OK, like it's a small coaster with bunny hills and inversions. Yeah. Yeah, Maverick already does that. Arguably the best of that whole genre of coasters.
00:48:36
beb
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And also, I mean, like I know. having a thumbs perspective generally will like shit on rides more, you know, more likely the show on rides. But I feel like even the fan base and of Cedar Point isn't like other theme parks where it almost seems like if a ride doesn't hit the public the way it should, it can be a negative return on investment. Like, um,
00:49:07
beb
I mean, they even found that with, I mean, people were saying that about, uh, steel vengeance, how steel vengeance didn't hit the return that they were expecting. Um, to where it almost seemed like Cedar, it's like Cedar Point should build less frequent coasters and just make sure everyone that they build is substantial. Um, to where like building a mid tier, I mean, it's, I guess I hate saying a tilt coasters mid tier, but I haven't written one, but.
00:49:37
beb
just from the thumbs perspective. I don't know if they're going to spend the money on a coaster. Hopefully it hits. I don't know. We'll see. The general public might love it. We'll see.
00:49:48
urfavoritecoastersux
Possibly. But like right now, everybody's reaction is basically interesting.
00:49:53
beb
Yeah.
00:49:55
urfavoritecoastersux
Which is not great for a roller coaster. It should be like, oh, cool. but
00:50:01
beb
Yeah. I mean, plus like the whole, you know, explain like I'm five kind of. promotion of a gimmick. I mean, a vertical track isn't, yeah, like you were saying, they've already got that. You know, like people know about Millennium force. They know about Draxter. They, you know, they know about all these big coasters. So I wonder, I wonder how they'll market that if it's going to be marketed as like, but I guess I'll be interested to see how they market that tilt element to it.
00:50:39
urfavoritecoastersux
And I'm like. Kind of like wondering, is it going to feel that different than like tilting into position on a flying coaster?
00:50:56
beb
I mean, I'm sure it will. I'm sure it'll be.
00:51:00
urfavoritecoastersux
I mean, I know you're on a different axis, but like it moves slowly.
00:51:03
beb
Yeah.
00:51:11
beb
I mean, I think it's definitely a that visual effect will be really cool in the front row. um Yeah, I don't know. well ah I'm excited to try it, but.
00:51:28
beb
also Also too, like looking at the animated off-ride of it, um because it's next to Val Raven, and there's always the shot of tea of Top Thrill 2 in the background, it doesn't look as tall as it probably should, compared to the rides around it.
00:51:49
beb
like ah Like if that, like if they built that shit at Valley fair, that would stand out so much and it would be such a cool visual. Um, but because it's at Cedar point, it's like, it almost looks short in comparison.
00:52:07
urfavoritecoastersux
If they built that at Valley fair, they could justify going 17 years without adding a coaster.
00:52:13
beb
Yeah.
00:52:18
urfavoritecoastersux
I think.
00:52:19
beb
Yeah, for sure.
00:52:25
urfavoritecoastersux
Did old Michigan's adventure.
00:52:28
beb
Yeah. I mean, the rest of the layout looks pretty cool, though. I mean, it's got all those. It's got that, like, I don't know how to call it, like it's like that super heartlined kind of twisty layout with lots of.
00:52:47
beb
inversions and bunny Hills and stuff. So I'm excited to ride one of those new gen Vekomos.
00:52:51
urfavoritecoastersux
yeah but I am too but at the same time here's what I'm thinking like it really doesn't look different than maverick really if you boil it down like oh it's got a steep drop and it it's close to the ground and does some loops and bunny hills
00:53:02
beb
Yeah.
00:53:15
beb
Also, it's only got two trains.
00:53:23
urfavoritecoastersux
I think. Here's yeah, that's kind of my prediction is that the public is going to decide that it's very similar to maverick. Like it's going to be a hit at first because of the gimmick with the tilt. But then people are going to be like, yeah, it's like maverick, but like. Not as long.
00:53:48
beb
Yeah. Well, not to mention, I mean, top thrill two is not even fully opened yet. So everyone's everyone's.
00:53:54
urfavoritecoastersux
Well, and that's the elephant in the room, too, right?
00:53:57
beb
Yeah, I think most guests are going to be so are still going to be very preoccupied with top thrill to. That and I mean, even I mean, even what's crazy is that that ride, I know they say they didn't make their money back on that ride, but I'd almost argue.
00:54:15
beb
Oh, I guess it's hard to say. I mean, I I don't look at the numbers, but I mean, like everyone knows about Cedar Point because a dragster. Right. Like whenever someone talk like whenever you're like in way outside of Ohio. Right. And someone's like, oh, I've been to Cedar Point or I saw a Cedar Point on TV. They always talk about dragster or like, you know, most Ohio enthusiasts talk about like dragster. Like that's like the fucking headlining thing of Cedar Point.
00:54:45
beb
Um, and so like, if that's not open next year and then this ride opens, it's going to be completely dwarfed. And then in that case, it's like, okay, so you just needed a filler coaster, but like filler coasters don't really work. It's your point because they have so many other coasters. Yeah, I don't know. It's just.
00:55:02
urfavoritecoastersux
that's what I'm saying I feel like it's gonna be overshadowed by maverick because if you if you even if you're like a coaster fan that's not like a full-blown doozy but like a Cedar Point fan but not like a few you know what I'm saying like it gear Lee you're so at visitor to Cedar Point you're gonna ride the ride and go oh the lift hill thing was cool but like
00:55:05
beb
Yeah.
00:55:31
urfavoritecoastersux
it's just like maverick but it doesn't have the theming it's like half as long so no matter how good it is as a ride i agree it's going to get overshadowed by maverick or other you know coasters in the collection there
00:55:33
beb
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.
00:55:55
beb
Yeah.
00:55:58
beb
Yeah. And like, and, you know, and kind of like GP speak, you know, like, Oh, that ride was crazy. Cause it went straight down and now it's like, well, which one?
00:56:14
urfavoritecoastersux
But maybe there's also the possibility that it turns into the next like, would you ride this meme?
00:56:21
beb
Yeah. I mean, I'm sure it will. It'll be in that top 10 compilation. OMG. Coaster track splits in half or, you know, something.
00:56:38
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, I'm like I'm seeing the, you know, link that my parents or my uncle will email me.
00:56:46
beb
Mm hmm.
00:56:48
urfavoritecoastersux
I'll be like, oh, my God, have you seen this?
00:56:53
beb
Yeah, I actually think I got a Facebook message from a relative about that ride already.
00:57:02
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, yeah.
00:57:03
beb
I love to when it's like, um, my favorite is getting those emails when it's a ride that the person that sent it to me has written. Um, like my, um, who was it? I think it might, it must've been my, I must've been like my mom or something. She sent me a video of, of like Maverick or some, or like maybe it was dragster.
00:57:27
beb
And it was like, one of those like, whoa, like this ride looks crazy. Have you been on this? It's like, yeah, like we run on it together. You've been at that park.
00:57:39
urfavoritecoastersux
that he wrote it with me ah let's yeah I saw that another shout to Ryan the Ride Mechanic I watched his short video about that
00:57:48
beb
Oh yeah. I, on this list, I forgot to the, when we were talking about B and M Banshee ah bumped.
00:58:03
beb
Oh, yeah, yeah. That's right. i Actually, yeah, I did see that. Yeah, I saw that, too. That was actually the when they was explaining the whole um like how that transfer works, how there's not a there's not a break. Like before the station.
00:58:22
beb
So like the ride, obviously like the rides have their, their brakes to slow it down. And they go from like the one block zone to the next block zone, but there's no break between the like holding break and the station.
00:58:36
beb
So the explanation is pretty, and which like.
00:58:37
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, that's interesting. Like the drive tires just hold it, which makes sense.
00:58:41
beb
Yeah.
00:58:45
beb
Yeah. I mean, it seems like that's like a very common design, but. Um, yeah, like when it comes to rain though, it's just, it's just interesting how you don't have any fail safe if the tires slip.
00:59:02
urfavoritecoastersux
It is interesting.
00:59:06
urfavoritecoastersux
no maybe that'll change who knows let's
00:59:09
beb
Yeah.
00:59:13
urfavoritecoastersux
see I a saw that SeaWorld Orlando is gonna open an Arctic theme flying theater yeah that's when
00:59:21
beb
Interesting. Flying theaters, it's very 2005.
00:59:33
beb
I'm guessing that's like this the Sorin thing.
00:59:36
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, that's when Sorin was new.
00:59:38
beb
Yeah.
00:59:38
urfavoritecoastersux
Pretty sure that's when Sorin opened it up, was it right around that time?
00:59:44
beb
Yeah.
00:59:47
urfavoritecoastersux
Which was really when the concept was cool 20 years ago.
00:59:50
beb
Yeah.
00:59:53
beb
Now if they could incorporate like a drop track or something in there. Some, something different.
01:00:06
urfavoritecoastersux
I mean, maybe. Yeah, like. The flight of passage is probably the best upgrade I could have imagined to a flying theater, but even that's still a fly in theater.
01:00:20
beb
Yeah.
01:00:24
urfavoritecoastersux
But I mean, hopefully it's a big hit for him. I know don't, I don't know. I don't know. I'm not really a big fan of these attractions other than the original, original soaring over, soaring over California. Um, because the soaring around the world gives me a headache makes me feel not good.
01:00:43
beb
I did one, there was one of these in the Dells that I did um like two years ago.
01:00:43
urfavoritecoastersux
Some bullshit.
01:00:49
beb
And it was definitely like a mini, like a mini version of it, because it only had like two rows. um But the videos, like the video is kind of lame.
01:01:01
beb
For one, the video was like cropped. So the projection didn't cover the full screen. And then ah It was like, yeah, we're going to soar.
01:01:10
urfavoritecoastersux
Oh my god.
01:01:10
beb
It's like we're soaring around North America, but there's, it wasn't really, uh, there, it wasn't really coherent. It would be like, okay, now here, we'll look at that.
01:01:21
beb
We're surfing in California. Oh, now we're over some cornfields in Iowa. Now we're and like flying behind some bowls in Texas.
01:01:32
beb
Now we're flying around New York city. And it was kind of just like a montage of of like helicopter B-roll footage.
01:01:36
urfavoritecoastersux
Wow.
01:01:43
beb
um Yeah.
01:01:44
urfavoritecoastersux
That's that's about usually how they are.
01:01:50
urfavoritecoastersux
um We'll see how that goes for him. Oh, I saw that ah area 15 Orlando has been canceled.
01:01:59
beb
Interesting.
01:01:59
urfavoritecoastersux
um So that probably means that the Meow Wolf there has also been canceled, I'm gonna guess.
01:02:07
beb
Yeah, probably.
01:02:10
beb
Most likely.
01:02:11
urfavoritecoastersux
Which
01:02:14
urfavoritecoastersux
You know, I don't think they're in the greatest shape. Were they investors perhaps in area 15? I'm not sure.
01:02:21
beb
Uh, yeah, I'm not sure. I mean, if, if they were, it wouldn't make sense. I mean, the whole, I think the whole Meow Wolf thing is definitely lost steam. Cause I mean, I thought I read like two years ago, they're trying to have like seven locations. And I don't know, like all of the existing locations apparently haven't been doing too well. I know the one here at a big layoff recently.
01:02:50
urfavoritecoastersux
That's unfortunate.
01:02:52
beb
Which like kind of makes sense for the, like for the costs that it, for the cost it took to build that thing and the amount of staff that is required and the cost. Cause it's basically like, I mean, admission wise, it's basically like, it's basically operated like a theme park, but it's not a theme park. It's just like a walkthrough thing. You know, it's like, uh, I dunno, I don't know if the business model really works. It makes sense when you have.
01:03:22
beb
You know, you had like the original, which can be self-sustaining just because it's Santa Fe and whatnot. And then you got the Vegas one makes sense. Denver, like mostly makes sense.
01:03:34
beb
But if you're trying to put these in like other major cities, I just don't know if it really works.
01:03:41
beb
Unless they like.
01:03:42
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, there has to be enough specific tourism for that type of thing to work.
01:03:47
beb
Yeah.
01:03:48
urfavoritecoastersux
Like, I don't know. Do they have one in New York?
01:03:55
beb
I don't think so.
01:03:56
urfavoritecoastersux
I could see that maybe working.
01:03:58
beb
Yeah, like it it could probably work there. New York, Chicago would probably work.
01:04:04
urfavoritecoastersux
Yep. That was one thing I always wondered when I lived in Chicago was like, why the fuck isn't me out here?
01:04:09
beb
Yeah.
01:04:11
urfavoritecoastersux
Um,
01:04:14
urfavoritecoastersux
I think they have one in LA which makes sense.
01:04:22
beb
But also, too, I mean, you got to have a way to get repeat visitors.
01:04:22
urfavoritecoastersux
Denver
01:04:26
beb
And I don't know, I've probably been to the one here maybe like five times. But every time I've been there, it's like there's nothing new.
01:04:38
beb
Like I know and I thought the whole idea of it was that, you know, exhibits would rotate and you they would get new artists in and do new things. And but I haven't seen that at all.
01:04:50
urfavoritecoastersux
That's disappointing.
01:04:52
beb
Whereas I know the Santa Fe one has some of that, um like there's a few, there's like a few sections that kind of rotate out and they get new people in there to do stuff.
01:05:05
beb
But yeah, like, yeah, I don't know.
01:05:10
urfavoritecoastersux
I feel like they're going to expand the Vegas one.
01:05:15
beb
Yeah, that'd be cool. They could probably do it.
01:05:21
beb
Also, like theming you know theming wise too, like it has to make sense. like I think the Vegas one, the overall theme works for Vegas.
01:05:34
beb
um
01:05:37
beb
but And like the Denver one is cool, but I don't know. I'm just curious i'm just curious like what ideas they all have.
01:05:50
beb
Because if it they if they start doing more copy paste stuff, then it kind of kills the point of having these unique locations.
01:06:02
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah I mean we'll see I guess. Because I got two in Texas now.
01:06:08
beb
That's right, yeah.
01:06:11
beb
ah Hold on, can I take a two minute piss break?
01:06:15
urfavoritecoastersux
yeah Yes we'll do that right now.
01:06:17
beb
Hell yeah.
01:06:18
urfavoritecoastersux
And we're back.
01:06:22
urfavoritecoastersux
And let's see here. Oh I saw some news about Colorado.
01:06:30
beb
Yeah, what's going on?
01:06:30
urfavoritecoastersux
A unique haunt is gonna be in the hotel where they filmed The Shining. It's gonna be Blumhouse, and they're gonna have four suites themed to four of their different ah movies.
01:06:44
beb
Oh, nice.
01:06:45
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah. Sounds kinda cool.
01:06:50
urfavoritecoastersux
So I don't know if you feel like driving all the way the hell out there for a haunt.
01:06:54
beb
Sounds like it's... I mean it sounds cool, but it also seems like a
01:07:02
beb
either I don't know I feel like problem with haunts is like the lines are ridiculous I tried to go to one last year it might be like I know they do ghost tours there already um so I'm wondering if ah if it's something like that
01:07:09
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, well, this is like hotel suites, so I'm not sure if it's a haunt so much. I'm not sure.
01:07:27
urfavoritecoastersux
Might be. But I mean, it's it's it's an interesting idea.
01:07:34
beb
Yeah Oh shit
01:07:35
urfavoritecoastersux
You're talking about the lines at the haunts. I saw also ah Six Flags Great Adventures Fright Fest Extreme is apparently not ready for a full opening yet.
01:07:49
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, I guess some of the mazes are not open yet or something. out You know, leave it to Six Flags, right?
01:08:00
beb
This one's about right. I feel like this conversation, like I feel like this conversation could be had at like any time for any park and it would make sense. I wonder, if um, don't they like Vence some of that shit out or is that all in house?
01:08:20
urfavoritecoastersux
I think all of them are in-house. I know like at Great America they switched to being all in-house back in 2010. I don't know about other parks though.
01:08:38
urfavoritecoastersux
It's possible they contracted some of it out. It's just, it's, it's interesting because this year, you know, they had the special marketing about the Fright Fest extreme and then this whole issue with like the separate ticketing, but then they didn't do the separate ticketing.
01:08:53
beb
Yeah.
01:08:56
urfavoritecoastersux
It's kind of funny that they're dropping the ball so hard.
01:09:01
beb
I mean, if this is things that come with this chain, we'll see, but.
01:09:07
urfavoritecoastersux
ah Yeah, well.
01:09:10
urfavoritecoastersux
um See, there's some some international news that was ah caught my eye. Construction on Space Mountain at Tokyo Disneyland is well underway. There's already track installed.
01:09:29
beb
Interesting. well I don't even know anything about this.
01:09:32
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, they they um announced I think a year or two ago that they were going to replace Space Mountain at Tokyo Disneyland with like a new Space Mountain, but not just like they're not incredible hulking it.
01:09:46
urfavoritecoastersux
It's like a refresh as well as a full rebuild.
01:09:48
beb
ah Okay. Nice.
01:09:52
urfavoritecoastersux
So brand new ride and all that. um The renderings that we got kind of looked like a Cinnabon.
01:10:00
urfavoritecoastersux
but you know we'll see ah for any of you who are really interested in all the ins and outs of Space Mountain there's a great video by Offhand Disney about the the lore of all the Space Mountain rides
01:10:20
beb
yes
01:10:23
urfavoritecoastersux
So how this one will play in remains to be seen. But ah yeah, I really want to get to Tokyo Disneyland, especially Disney Sea looks amazing.
01:10:38
beb
Yeah, I always I mean you always hear about that one and It's one of the man. I it's like if I ever get out to Japan, it's like I feel like at this point. It's a minimum three-week Minimum three-week commitment
01:10:53
beb
just to like go to all the parks I want to go to.
01:11:02
urfavoritecoastersux
Lots of good time to announce our first ever international meetup. No, I'm just kidding.
01:11:10
urfavoritecoastersux
But maybe someday.
01:11:13
beb
Yeah, I've been, I've been saying maybe someday for 10 years on Japan. And now it's so late. One of these days. Then China, because like China's got all those crazy theme parks.
01:11:30
beb
I just wish it was more accessible. That's one of those.
01:11:33
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah I'm good on that.
01:11:36
beb
But like that'd be one of those things where if there was like a cool coaster group that was doing like a you know like bus tours or something, that's I feel like that's the way to do it.
01:11:48
beb
That's the one region I'd actually want to go on like a like a guided tour.
01:11:53
urfavoritecoastersux
TPR.
01:11:54
beb
Yeah. Hell, I would probably do. Honestly, if they offered a China trip like that, I'd probably do it.
01:12:06
urfavoritecoastersux
I mean, that's probably the one of the few they could still sell and do really well with.
01:12:10
beb
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, as Europe, you can do by yourself. It's probably easier to do by yourself. Um, but like,
01:12:23
beb
Somewhere over there when you got you know the language barrier and um scheduling like ERT and stuff, it just makes more sense if you're with a group of enthusiasts.
01:12:36
urfavoritecoastersux
Although personally I think for me, I would only do China to get the Disneyland Shanghai credit and then bounce.
01:12:51
beb
Yeah. There's all like, that's the thing. It's like. They've got all those like, you know, that like they have that like giant GCI or they got two giant GCIs. You know, like the one that I'm talking about, it's like a terrain GCI that's like super long.
01:13:11
urfavoritecoastersux
I think so man that's what I'm saying I I'm Godspeed have a good time um yeah I don't think I'm in on China but I'm definitely in on Japan at some point
01:13:14
beb
And then they got those like the dueling gravity group coaster and.
01:13:21
beb
I just don't really know what that kind of trip looks like.
01:13:43
urfavoritecoastersux
And I'm definitely in for a trip back to Amsterdam. And a little side trip to Wallaby Holland.
01:13:49
beb
For sure.
01:13:51
urfavoritecoastersux
They're gonna open a pair of dueling raptors there.
01:13:55
beb
Yoy.
01:13:56
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, apparently it's called Yoi.
01:14:00
beb
There's a lot of great memes about it. People saying it looks like a PBS show. There's looks like a yogurt.
01:14:10
beb
It.
01:14:11
urfavoritecoastersux
It's every every time I mean to spell you and don't spell it right when I'm texting. Yoy.
01:14:18
beb
Year of Yoy.
01:14:22
beb
um I'm curious what the ride layouts so will be because there's the extreme side and then the family side. and But what's funny is like the the slogan is ride the other side. Which if one side is a family coaster and they've got different height requirements, it's kind of a misleading slogan.
01:14:51
beb
Ride the other side.
01:14:53
urfavoritecoastersux
Ride the other side because the line is long and moves slow.
01:14:58
beb
It looks all right. I mean, at least it's something unique. um Also, this is the first Raptor outside of the US, s right?
01:15:19
urfavoritecoastersux
I think so.
01:15:19
beb
Yeah.
01:15:23
beb
I don't know. The single rail coasters are cool, but. Outside of the the cloned. Like the like the Wonder Woman and. Real blazer, like, I don't know, I still haven't written Jersey Devil, but.
01:15:40
beb
From looks and from what I've heard from people, it's like. Oh, yeah, and also Wonder Woman have not have you been on Wonder Woman, the other one one.
01:15:47
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah.
01:15:50
beb
Is it fine?
01:15:52
urfavoritecoastersux
It's fine. It's not as good as the original Wonder Woman.
01:15:59
beb
Yeah, it just seems weird that you'd build this like the single road, like the single road concept makes sense for like, like a compact, quick, intense ride. But if you're just building a full scale coaster, like an out and back one with like a mid course and three trains and standard elements, it just doesn't.
01:16:18
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, it's basically it's the layout that Goliath should have had.
01:16:23
beb
Yeah.
01:16:28
beb
Yeah.
01:16:28
urfavoritecoastersux
And yeah but it's on a single rail.
01:16:36
urfavoritecoastersux
So like.
01:16:40
urfavoritecoastersux
I don't know, I think the single rails are at their best when they're small.
01:16:44
beb
Yeah. I mean, it'd be cool if they did like a like a super mini like five car train, almost like a wild mouse. um But, you know, like very compact and inversions and all that stuff that's even like, I mean, the Wonder Woman and Railblazer are I think are the perfect size, but I think they could even go smaller than that.
01:17:09
beb
um Like. shorter smaller more compact but just pack in a bunch of like crazy inversions and tight turns and that's that seems to be like the benefit of the single rail concept but if you're just doing full scale like what's the point
01:17:31
urfavoritecoastersux
yeah I think Goliath with the fuller layout would is better like if you could put the rest of the single rail like the bigger single rails layouts on the Goliath I think it would be better than either of them not that I've been on Jersey Devil but if it's if it's the same as Wonder Woman Magic Mountain then I'm confident in that statement
01:17:46
beb
Yeah, right.
01:18:00
beb
Yeah.
01:18:08
urfavoritecoastersux
and that's part of the reason it's like goliath you know it's like now we have pretty good evidence that the layout wasn't complete rocket into the brakes
01:18:20
beb
I remember getting completely roasted.
01:18:26
beb
Yeah. I made a, I made a joke on, on like somewhere online. I was like, it's like awesome that they're getting an RMC, but why did they have to cheap out on it? And like all the RMC fanboys were like, well, have you written it? They did not cheap out. It's like, have you written come Arden or whatever?
01:18:51
beb
I was like, dude, it's a short layout. Period dot.
01:18:58
urfavoritecoastersux
And that's the thing is that, yeah, you could look at the layout of Wonder Woman slash Jersey jumble and see the similarities to Goliath and go, Oh yeah. Okay.
01:19:07
beb
Yeah.
01:19:12
urfavoritecoastersux
Or fucking God forbid Zadra.
01:19:14
beb
Yeah.
01:19:18
beb
Yeah, I mean, them I mean, Zadra is on another level, but I, uh, it just seems like they could have done like one more little lap or even like, uh, I know RMC doesn't do helixes, but. Which is, I think that was their whole thing. Like they're in some interview with Alan Shilke. He's like, well, like helixes and vertical loops aren't interesting.
01:19:47
urfavoritecoastersux
I can't do them on dirt bikes.
01:19:51
beb
It's like, yeah, but like wave turns, outer bank turns, dive loops, like, come on.
01:20:03
urfavoritecoastersux
Yes, that's far more interesting. Just rearrange them.
01:20:10
beb
Also that argument, every time someone brings up how RMCs are repetitive and it's like, well, B and M's are repetitive. It's like, yeah, well that was the nineties. That was pretty fucking, and like the innovation was in the, the right experience and the, you know, right.
01:20:26
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, nobody had made a big loop before PNM. Loops came in one size, arrow.
01:20:35
beb
Yeah. Like, like they did plenty of other innovation and. I mean, I don't know. It's just my thing with RMC is like, you got that, you got that new track design. You got that super like whatever, whatever it is, the laser cut, precise computer cat engineering.
01:20:53
beb
And like, you're still using the same like three, four elements on every ride. I just wish they would do something a little different. That's all I'm asking. and
01:21:01
urfavoritecoastersux
What if we took a zero G roll and angled it downwards?
01:21:08
urfavoritecoastersux
Oh, it's been done. What if we took a zero G roll and angled it upwards?
01:21:15
beb
I mean, like, it all I got to do is go on like YouTube and look at the RMCs that like teenagers are making on low limits to on YouTube that like look way more insane than anything that's being built.
01:21:36
urfavoritecoastersux
What if we made a wooden coaster that launched? Nevermind.
01:21:45
beb
multi-launch wooden coaster it's coming apparently they were they threw out an extension of beast did you see that shit
01:21:54
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, when are they going to RMC, Son of Beast?
01:22:08
urfavoritecoastersux
I love it.
01:22:14
beb
I mean, I doubt they're actually going to do it, but, um, it would be cool. But also, I mean, it definitely looked like a bunk idea. It was just like 200 foot lift, tail and like 80 degree drop. There's no way that those old trains can make that.
01:22:37
beb
They should just, uh,
01:22:42
beb
I don't know what Kings Island is going to do next. I bet they're good. to I bet they'll get a dive coaster.
01:22:49
beb
It seems it makes makes.
01:22:50
urfavoritecoastersux
You know, you know what would could have worked really well for Kings Island? Putting a tilt coaster on the vortex site.
01:22:59
beb
Yeah.
01:23:02
urfavoritecoastersux
Like if they would have had some access to some like smaller tilt coaster.
01:23:09
beb
Yeah, and that's a perfect comparison of like building that ride at different types of parks. Like that would be a crazy attraction for Kings Island. um And it's like a perfect filler coaster and it's complimentary to the other rides there, but.
01:23:29
beb
Yeah, I don't know.
01:23:31
urfavoritecoastersux
That's what I'm saying. Worthy replacement of vortex. Sure. It's fine, right? Yeah, it's fine.
01:23:40
beb
Close enough.
01:23:46
urfavoritecoastersux
That's some loops. That's some flippy news, you know.
01:23:57
beb
Uh, I don't think so.
01:23:58
urfavoritecoastersux
I don't know. Fucking ah got anything else.
01:24:03
beb
Pretty much all the rumors and news.
01:24:07
beb
It's like, uh,
01:24:11
beb
Things are looking up a little bit, but also, I mean, for the first year of the Six Flags Cedar Fair merger, I mean, who knows what to expect.
01:24:22
beb
I don't know. Anything's on the table. Kingdom call actually does close. That'll be kind of weird, but also not, I mean, but also like, I don't know, that park will probably be fine.
01:24:30
urfavoritecoastersux
It will be.
01:24:36
urfavoritecoastersux
Oh, they'll be great.
01:24:36
beb
I mean, they should they shouldn't have built the ride in the first place.
01:24:41
urfavoritecoastersux
No, it was super weird.
01:24:42
beb
Yeah. They were just trying to one up the record and even, you know what I mean? They like do it and Cedar fair is like, all right, whatever.
01:24:52
urfavoritecoastersux
They're like, have fun with that.
01:24:58
urfavoritecoastersux
Yeah, and that's like, um, I know I promised you all a trip report from California's great America. We didn't end up making it this past weekend. And part of that is the fact that it costs about about 50 bucks to go in for the day.
01:25:16
urfavoritecoastersux
And starting in January, pay 100 bucks and we'll have a season pass there.
01:25:21
beb
Yeah. Yeah. Might as well just wait.
01:25:24
urfavoritecoastersux
That's what I'm saying. I'm like, uh,
01:25:27
beb
I don't think anything.
01:25:27
urfavoritecoastersux
because you get the add-on for your membership for Six Flags and it's a hundred bucks they got a couple of years left still although I will say I've been thinking about potentially doing season two of See the Carousel
01:25:33
beb
Yeah. I mean, I don't really see much of that park changing. Like there's no dire need to go right now. So it's probably fine. Yeah.
01:25:56
beb
Oh, for the other side? Yeah.
01:26:01
urfavoritecoastersux
Well, now that I live here.
01:26:02
beb
Yeah.
01:26:07
beb
Although you should definitely go once before.
01:26:10
urfavoritecoastersux
but I can't do it until I at least visit.
01:26:12
beb
Right.
01:26:16
urfavoritecoastersux
That would be so disingenuous.
01:26:21
beb
It is cool to go. Like it is, it is an interesting experience when you like walk around that park and you're like, you're like, whoa, like, because like the layout, like I swear the dimensions of like the layout and even like placement of street lights and trash cans and the bathrooms, it's like all identical, but you know, it's, it's like a weird bizarro kind of, kind of vibe.
01:26:47
urfavoritecoastersux
I'm super excited that's also excited yeah and the other thing is magic mountains just down the road so I mean
01:26:51
beb
And also like some sections, you know, that's like, Oh, like this section that has trees right here. You're like, Oh, they're, they're also trees, but they're just palm trees. Yeah.
01:27:12
beb
Yeah.
01:27:17
urfavoritecoastersux
You really got the itch. And then just further down the road from there, um, is all the other parks in Southern California. Not Disneyland, Universal.
01:27:34
urfavoritecoastersux
SeaWorld and Legoland are even further, but yeah.
01:27:45
urfavoritecoastersux
So knowing, but knowing that my membership works at Magic Mountain and we just got to drive a couple hours to get there. It's like, yeah, that's also a great option.
01:27:57
beb
Yeah, I mean it's... When are you that close? I mean...
01:28:05
beb
When is a...
01:28:05
urfavoritecoastersux
So hopefully, hopefully I'll have a ah Magic Mountain trip report soon.
01:28:06
beb
so Yeah.
01:28:12
beb
ah'll put I'll put it on my radar of potential winter theme park visits to go to Magic Mountain.
01:28:21
beb
To ever line something up.
01:28:25
urfavoritecoastersux
yeah you definitely let me know is yeah you can do a full day of knots but you can also not
01:28:27
beb
I also need to do, I wouldn't mind doing knots as well, just to get like some new ghost rider in accelerator if it's open. And, uh, even if it's not a full day.
01:28:52
beb
Mm-hmm.
01:28:57
beb
That'd be one of those parks I definitely get Fastline for.
01:29:02
urfavoritecoastersux
that and then the other thing I think would be really cool if we didn't meet up there is if we just got like a couple rooms at the knots hotel yeah then you can just walk over there
01:29:11
beb
The one that's on site. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm into it.
01:29:32
urfavoritecoastersux
yeah well maybe maybe we'll figure out a meet-up for all you winter meet-up cats but yeah ah well that's that's all I got you got anything else right on that wall of fucking glad to be back we'll try to get these going in the regular time again sorry I've been hitting you up kinda late in the week
01:29:44
beb
No, all good.
01:30:02
beb
No, it's all good. I've my past two weeks have just kind of sucked and I'll be out of the house the next two weeks, but I should have space. um I'll bring all my all my equipment with me. I'll figure it out.
01:30:20
urfavoritecoastersux
for sure Well, let me know what works and we'll figure out getting some more podcasts out for y'all But I want to thank y'all for listening you all are awesome and we appreciate it Go ride some coasters with some parks do some haunts ah Shit call us up and leave a trip report. Yeah, it's been a little bit ah I Don't Hold on it's ah
01:30:51
urfavoritecoastersux
Something L.A., remember?
01:30:53
beb
five off or three, one, three, one, two, five raw five LA.
01:30:55
urfavoritecoastersux
Yes. Five raw.
01:31:04
urfavoritecoastersux
Three, one, two, five raw, five LA.
01:31:10
urfavoritecoastersux
Which is pretty great. So call us up, leave a leave a live trip report. We'll play it on the show or email us some stuff for, I don't know, join the Discord, y'all.
01:31:21
urfavoritecoastersux
But that's it. For now, we'll talk to you again next week. And until next time, your favorite coaster sucks.
01:31:29
beb
Your favorite coaster sucks.