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Reaching 100k Plays?! A Chatsunami Retrospective
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In this episode, Satsunami and Martin MacAlistair celebrate reaching 100k plays in total by looking back at the history of Chatsunami! From it's humble beginnings on Twitch in 2020 to it's later milestones, join the duo as they go through each season discussing the good, the bad and the downright bizarre of the podcast. But what makes Chatsunami so important to them? How has it changed in 5+ years? And what is the craziest episodes they have ever done?!
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Introduction to Chatsunami Podcast
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Welcome to Chatsunami, a Scottish variety podcast that discusses topics from gaming and films to anime in general interest. Join me, your host, Satsunami, as well as the rest of our Chatsunami team for our takes on these very important pop culture
Humorous Pop Culture References
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topics. Sir, it's clearly a trap. I accept copyright! That happens three times in the film. Every time that general goes, don't do this one thing, he goes, do you know what I'ma do? That's the exact thing.
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Does it well? She had the pointy teeth? What was that about? She looked like Bilbo when he wants the ring back. but She turned into it. I just want the lightsaber one more time. Parasite says, no, you will get back into your office and work. No, says the man in Zoom. yeah Trousers are for the working man. You're bursting into your hotel room. Honey, we need to go.
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Leave the kids.
Engagement and Encouragement to Listeners
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We can milk an odysh. Oh.
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That's the worst thing you've ever said on any of the episodes. If that sounds like your cup of tea, then you can check us out at our website, chattsunami.com, as well as all good podcast apps. As always, stay safe, stay awesome, and most importantly, stay hydrated.
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Stay classy and have a... This has been chattsunami. I'm sorry.
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Hello everybody and welcome to this very special episode of Shatsunami. My name's Shatsunami and joining me after 100,000 plays, I cannot believe I'm saying that, is none other than the one and only co-host extraordinaire, it Martin McAllister. Martin, welcome back. Thank you, thanks for having me. You must be so excited to hit 100,000 that you just called me a co-host. I've been graduated. I've...
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I've been promoted. You know, I'm probably going to talk about this later, but, you know, obviously we're friends, okay? Thanks for clarifying. I'm saying that for legal reasons, so you don't walk out or, like, you get a Google Doc up off me after this. Yeah, no, Satsunami, it was terrible. Long hours recording.
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I think of you more like a colleague nowadays, but... That's why we don't do them impersonally. That's why I'm not allowed to sit in your car and talk about Godzilla. No, I mean, that was that and the police didn't put an end to that. I mean, that is true. But legal troubles aside, that's what the Red Panda lawyer is for, of course. How you doing tonight? I'm doing really good. am super excited to chat about this. We'll get into it, but, you know, super proud of you and super proud of what you accomplished with hitting 100,000 plays, downloads on the podcast. So I can't wait to chat about it. Been a wee well since we've done one of these retrospectives. Yeah, because I'm trying to remember the last milestone. I think it must have been 60 or 70,000 maybe. And then we kind of just gave up on them. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. Because last year, well, I say last year, it was last year, but a couple of months ago, we had the five-year anniversary special, which was absolutely wild. I traveled to China, for God's sake.
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I mean, not for that episode. I was going there anyway. The budget has gone unbelievable. That's where it all went. Yeah, if Andrew listens to this episode, just tell him. We've not got budget. Keep it on the down low. Yeah, it all went to flights anyway. Oh yeah, clearly.
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But yeah, so my partner and I, we went to China and I thought, you know what, it'd be really cool if we did the five year anniversary special there. And as you said, you, me and Andrew, we've done a number of special episodes, whether it be for a particular milestone, like the hundreds and whatever episodes. episode because i think the first one adam and i did we did one for the 50th episode and then i think we did one for the 100th episode and then it kind of just rotated between you all it's honestly been absolutely surreal to look at the numbers go up and up over the years and yeah this is year five of the podcast out of curiosity and i'm not putting you on the spot here to say did you think we would get this far Genuinely. How do you feel after all this time? I think it's amazing. You know, all credit to you, not any credit to me because I just turn up and talk rubbish and you keep inviting me back. You're the one has to, you know, promote it and edit it and brand it and everything that gets done. So did I think we would make it this far? I mean, I was pretty confident I could make it this far because I don't do anything. But as for yourself, man it's hard to remember but starting it was a very different sat tsunami behind the microphone, a very different person and a very different product you were putting out at the time so I don't know. I don't think we would get this far at the time but I didn't really know where it was going to go. If you know what mean, what was originally was not what it's ended up being today. No, you're completely right, because usually this might be the moment where I'm like, what? No, I've always been like this on the podcast. If you listen to season one, by the way, you're completely right. It is like a different person. It actually shocks me when I listen back to them, because it's like, hello, welcome. I'm Satsunami. Please listen to my podcast. Sorry for taking up too much of your time, but if you wouldn't mind. Whereas now I'm like, listen, you, I'm in your house. Listen, and you might have a biscuit left by the end of the day. But honestly, has been absolutely fantastic journey because, I mean, and we will go into depth about it throughout this episode, but, I mean, we've done in-person episodes, we've been doing majority of them on Zencaster and online, of course. There's been whole host of guests, co-hosts, that kind of thing. When I say co-hosts, there's only been like three major ones. to be honest. I mean, it's you, Adam and Andrew, of course, but yeah, we have cycled through over the years and it's just, it's been absolutely fantastic to see how the podcast is growing, how I think, and I don't want to sound big-headed here, but I think there are genuinely people who have started to notice the podcast a lot more nowadays as opposed to when it started out and people went oh that's a cute red panda whereas now they go oh that's the red panda from Chatsunami have you noticed that out curiosity? Oh 100% I mean I told you the story and this was a few months ago now I don't think I mentioned at the time on the podcast but I told you the story of when I did Fan Frontier last time and one of the people there mentioned they'd listened to your show oh yeah in the lead up to the Fan Frontier they've been playing it in the office and stuff and you were like you were completely embarrassed me and someone else have been fanboying out about it but yeah that was like a completely unprompted one as well you know and it was just someone was chatting to me about how they'd listened to me on that podcast it wasn't like i was like oh have you heard of this you know i just completely at the blue someone said it to me i was like that's when you know there's an extra level to that you know That's not the first time that's happened, would you believe? Well, I mean, playing it in public, yeah, that is probably the first time, but there's been two instances where people have decided to listen to the podcast and have told me about it. One of them was my very good friend, Robotic Battle Toaster. He, of course, named himself that. It's not his parents. Mr. Robotic Battletoaster is my dad's name. Please call me Toaster. But I remember when we first started talking, absolutely lovely chat. I mean, you've met him, of course, through our On Hiatus podcast, the Stop, Drop and Roll Initiative D&D podcast. But he was saying how he started listening to Chatsunami while he was doing work around the house. And I was like, oh, that's amazing. Fantastic. I can't wait to hear what you think about it. What episode are you listening to? It was like episode one, season one. was like, no, don't do it. Interstellar moment, you keep making that joke, I'm lagging the screen going, no, don't do it. And it was the same as well with another amazing person in Patreon, of course, of this podcast, Cryptic 1991, who said that he was going to play them on his stream. And I was like, oh, that's amazing, thank you. And then I went to listen to them. And of course, same thing, it was season one. and i was like oh no i mean if people enjoy season one honestly more power to you i think it's one of those you know when you listen to your early work and i'm sure you'll be the same with wrestling as well you know you look your early stuff and you think you've gotten so much better since when you began yeah 100 you know you learn you live and you learn if you get better your stuff and everything you did once before it seems so much worse in comparison even though it's perfectly good because i have to say and this is something that you and i were talking about before we came on tonight but i feel as if nowadays, because it's been over five years now since we started the podcast, and I feel as if it is getting a lot harder to get noticed. We're very lucky that, although Chatsunami might not be famous famous, at least we've managed to get our hooks into the indie community, as it were, so that people say, right, that's Chatsunami. But I feel as if, see, if we decided, oh, we're going to start a podcast without any recognition, without talking to anyone, would you say it'd be a lot harder nowadays? Oh definitely I think between know we're talking about different social media has been different, harder to use. Certainly my main social media is Instagram the algorithms totally changed and how that works. Not saying you couldn't do it obviously people have made themselves big but it's a totally different game now compared to what we had to do at first and then think as well a lot the world turned against podcasts in a way. People know what I'm talking about. The public image of it has been poisoned a lot over the last few years and think being established is fine but then trying to introduce a new podcast must be even more difficult now than it was then. Because not to go too deep into it. Shout out to Louis Thoreau, by the way, for that documentary. We're both thinking the same thing, that's good. Yeah, I watched that the other day. It's as good as it is horrifying, you know, but you're completely right. It's those types of creators, and I use that so loosely that, again, you not going to name specific ones because they don't deserve the attention, but you know that way it's all the controversial takes and they all kind of read off the same hymn sheet, as it were, and you're like, you're completely right, when you're looking at podcasts nowadays, you're either going to think big celebrity ones or the big controversial ones. It's a wee bit like Twitch streaming in a way, I suppose, because that was my perception going into because as many long-term listeners, and of course you'll know... very, very well as well, was that when I started the podcast, it was supposed to be a side project from streaming during the 2020 lockdowns. And I thought, yeah, this isn't going anywhere. That will just be like a side thing. I'm going to grow my brand on Twitch. And then I got a bit disillusioned and I thought, you know what, maybe I should put more effort into the podcast. And I can totally see why the perception of podcasting has been tainted by more prolific figures, isn't it? Yeah, and it's more prolific figures than people doing badly as well. Prolific people doing it badly, should say. Yeah, think that's also tainted a lot of it. Yeah, it's the same as Twitch, it's the same as any of these kind of things. It's difficult to be a positive influence in these kind of spaces. This is something that I half joke, half vent to you about all the time, where you get certain podcasts that refuse to edit themselves, or they'll say things like, I want to be a raw podcast that I don't filter anything it's just the real me and then you listen to it and it's like five minutes of static noise mouth noises this could have been an email this podcast could have been an email is a phenomenal insult well it's true though you just sit there and you're like what were you trying to achieve here to be honest but that's the thing though it's like with chat tsunami i'm gonna be honest i did not know what i wanted to do with it to be honest and to be fair technically i still don't know but like think think of it as a casual conversation with friends and other people to talk about interest from, as always say, this is my elevator pitch, if you like Chatsunami, it's a discussion about topics from gaming and films to anime in general interest. We've got interviews, we've had in-person episodes, we've had so many variations since his inception, haven't we? 100%. There's been so many different versions so many different theme themes, or theming I guess, not themes as in themes, but themes as in episodes and types of recording and different sort of, don't know what I'm looking for, genre? I don't know if that's the correct word. Yeah, it's been a whole mix of stuff, but I think that's partially what keeps you sane, am I right insane?
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Yeah, well it gives me structure and keeps me off the streets. A moment, the longevity of you're not stuck in one little picture. Because, and I've said this before, and it's especially the case with streaming, but I feel as if there's pros and cons to being a variety content creator. Because see if you have one niche, let's say you discuss platform or video games, and I'm not just saying that because I've got a statue of Sonic in front of me. you know you want to talk about platformers all the time or you want to talk about a particular genre of film or a particular niche then you'll get a lot more people who are in that sphere attracted to your podcast to your content that kind of thing but if you decide okay i'm sick of this i don't want to do this anymore then people who were your audience initially they're not going to really i mean they might stick around if they like the personality but they're less likely to stick around, if that makes sense, because that's the reason they came there in the first place to say, i want to listen to you talk about X or Y. Whereas if you keep it as a variety podcast or channel or streaming thing, you kind of set an expectation, don't you, right off the bat? And it is a lot harder to grow because of that. Yeah, but i think, conversely, like you say, longer term, but then you'll see your ceilings a lot higher. That's true. Because that's the thing. a lot of people that I've seen, and this is more content creator gurus and things, they'll turn around and they'll say, oh, you have to have one particular thing to grow and blah, blah, blah. And don't get me wrong, that is good advice for the most part.
00:13:42
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But on the other hand... I don't know. I don't know if it's good advice to be saying, oh, you have to pigeonhole yourself when you see other people have done it, or rather other people have diversified at the very beginning and they've managed to get success from it. And again, you know, not everyone's going to be successful right off the bat, but I don't think there's one particular um method that is going to fit everyone and it's not going to cause uns instant success. Oh, 100%. And I think especially social media in lot ways is kind of like a casting call yeah one day something will just happen and you just kind of have to be there kind of comes down to like yeah if you just produce one kind of niche content then maybe it will work out for you but i think it's just as likely to be a wider content it just depends on what you get up to and what you churn out and what you're able to produce as high quality
00:14:29
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Unfortunately, it's a bit of a waiting game for some stuff, but that's just always been my view on it. If you get super niche, cool, but I don't know the long term of doing a podcast on just one subject that I think would drive. Me insane, I think you would have gone insane long ago. Oh no, 100%, because I'm definitely one of these people that, and I mean, you've definitely noticed this with me as well, where for ages I'll be talking about a particular thing, whether that's Sonic, Resident Evil, whatever, and I'm like, oh, this is a great game, this is a great thing. And then a couple of weeks later, I'm like, yeah, I'm done. what's next resident what sorry resident hill i mean if people are successful talking about the same thing you know all power to them but it's that repetition and if you're locked into i can see why people get annoyed at it i remember and this is a callback but there was a streamer i remember talking to and his name was captain heart i don't know if you remember him in the early days yeah yeah yeah i remember that's what he was saying that he used to do think it was team fortress 2 or something on streams and a lot people were coming for that kind of content like this is amazing we love your stuff and then eventually got bored of that and said all right i want to move on i want to go to this and that and he noticed that his audience were kind of dwindling because they were only there for the game they weren't really there no I've asked him to say, oh, they weren't there for him. But, you know, it's like when you build up an audience on one particular topic and then they change to another thing, you can expect a bit of a drop off. That's why whenever I do the podcast, I'm like, yes, it's a variety podcast. No, you're not going to get the same subject day in, day out. Unless it's a theme month, which we will, of course, get on to. But yeah, I set the expectations of disappointment there, like,
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Wow. self-deprecation. I really should stop that. But actually, before we go on, because we're talking about the best way to celebrate this particular milestone, because I'm going to get mushy here and say that genuinely, without you, without Adam, without Andrew especially as well, and without all the amazing people in the podcast community, I would have never have achieved this milestone. honest Honestly, I know that sounds like the power of friendship kind of thing, like Yu-Gi-Oh month. in a couple of months probably but yeah is honestly without you guys I wouldn't have been here and I wouldn't have grown like as a person and I wouldn't have grown with the podcast and I feel as if it gives I know it sounds so weird to say it gives me a bit of consistency and planning but I mean it is this has become part of my daily life now that I think right okay what's going to be the next episode what's going to be the one after that what theme months are we going to do because i mean it is like a part-time job that structure is quite it means so much to you and it means so much to many people is that you dedicate that time you dedicate that part of you to it draw a comparison to myself with the wrestling it does become a part-time and almost a full-time job like the amount brain pill you'd dedicate to it but at the end the day it's something you love doing and i think that rings true both for me the wrestling but also you can hear it when you do the podcast you put a lot of effort into it you put a lot of pride into it and then you can tell that before we go on because gonna go through each season and yeah just kind of take a stroll down memory lane because is always weird looking back in these old episodes going oh yeah we did this and we talked about that and it got me really thinking about marketing as well and how to promote the podcast because that's what we're briefly touching on there that social media is not as good as it used to be and to be honest you don't need us listing the reasons why you just have to look at it and go oh yeah that's why and i've got a funny story before we go down the nostalgia road as it were before i came on tonight i decided to visit my parents i thought right okay i'll pop in and see them and i didn't realize that i had some mail at the door now i'm gonna send you this picture of this leaflet that i got through the door I want you to tell me what you think this is advertising.
Bizarre Mail and Gaming Nostalgia
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This looks like the cheapest romance novel, but like a romance novel for boys. I don't know how to explain it. If I wrote a romance novel, this is what I would want to see on the cover. So without giving away, you know, the title and the author, again, you know, I don't want to make fun of him or anything, but yeah, I got a leaflet through my door and to describe it, it's like a picture of this like AI car on fire. guy holding, think what's supposed to be a switchblade, but it looks like a butter knife. That's right. thought I was like, man, he's making some good bread. He's making that bread, are you? I'm zooming in here. It's like, you know, Warhammer figures on a motorbike. You know, it's like the stereotypical guy in the jeans and the helmet, which is weird how we wear a helmet. I thought these bikers were supposed to... Well, they're supposed to do that. Safety first. Yeah, true.
00:19:15
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True. The hot babe on the back of the bike, on the other hand, is not safety first. She's not wearing any protective clothing. LAUGHTER There's no nudity or anything. No, it's not far off. She's not dressed for a motorbike ride. That's all I'm saying. And yeah, if you flip it over, there's like a QR code, which I will not be scarring. I need to keep chatting before we move on. Behind the car, there's like patterns in the flames. It looks like a guy on fire.
00:19:42
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Yeah, I suppose. It doesn't look like anything. You know, it's almost just like an AI jingle. The car looks like it's got, think it's supposed to be a spoiler, but it looks like a pickup truck. Which is what I thought it was when we first opened it. It's either that or his boot isn't welded on.
00:19:58
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on the subject of boot being welded on my last part the biker guy id also the biker girl the shoes look like they're fused onto the motorbike just to kind of add to the bizarrenness of it all i think what's also really weird and i've just noticed this is that her leg is longer than his so she must be a giant in comparison to this guy and again i'll tell you about it so what are we looking at and sorry what actually is the point of all this So essentially, it's somebody advertising their book. Oh, it a book. Okay. Yeah, so it's a book. When you flip it over, and again, I'm not going to give too many details, but it's like a rebel without a cause who was arrested, does time and everything, and comes out and tries to get his life back together. But there's all these things like, Amazon said this was one of the best books ever, and oh, it was sold here. And I'm like, this is one of the weirdest things I've had through my door. I've had many weird things posted through... and this is up there as huh but excuse you and that's the thing what I'm asking is do you think we should be doing that with the podcast just
00:21:00
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AI generated pamphlets. I've never recommended the use of AI until right now You should do this. But just the exact same graphic, but with the panda on it instead. Well, just photoshopped onto the guy and the girl. I don't get it. Don't get me wrong. I admire the drive, as it were, but... Have you Googled this book? Um... Not really. Why...
00:21:23
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It was originally published in 2014. Really? Your man's been sitting on it for 12 years and then thought, you know what, today I've got these slides. So speaking about broken dreams and getting ostracised by my neighbours, shall we talk about the seasons of Chatsunami and seeing what went wrong?
00:21:44
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Let's do it. So yeah, let's start with season one. And as I said before, season one was created. In fact, the whole podcast was created as a side project when I was streaming, which also was inspired by you, by the way, because I remember you started streaming and I don't know whether to say you're a good or a bad influence, but you're like, hey, Satsu, come in. I'm an influence. or an e influence and i thought you know what i'll give it a go i tried it i loved it at the time and yeah decided to do the podcast but the way it worked out before and correct me if i'm wrong but i'm sure it was on a wednesday and it used to be live streamed not every episode but the majority of season one was live streamed every wednesday something like yeah Yeah, of course, you were the very first person to come on for the Dungeons & Dragons experience, which is episode one. Out of curiosity, do you ever go back and listen to those early, early episodes, or do you give them a bye? Yeah, I usually give them a bye, especially, like, see the really early ones, the twitchy-era ones I tend to avoid personally, but this was a great one, though, that I enjoyed doing at the time, and, you know, I'm always up for chatting D&D, especially with you. I messaged you ever so often, like I messaged you the other day being like, isn't it crazy? probably just saw all the same stuff I mentioned in the podcast, but how crazy it was about being kind of a big chat in our lives. Dungeons and Dragons. It's influenced so much. About two lights in a row. is quite funny, but no, I'm typically going to give the Twitch era ones a bit of a wide berth, I'm afraid. What about you? Do you like to go back to these ones? No, not really. Again, and I mean, I've said this to you, I've said it to Adam, and especially Andrew as well, we've all had the same conversation or the same variant of, oh god, I hated my first episode. And again, it's not because i think, oh, you did terrible, Martin, or Andrew, or Adam did terrible on it. I think it's just because it was a relatively new thing that we were stepping into. And it's something that I do think that a lot especially a lot of the people that I interview for the podcast most of them have never been on a podcast before so I feel kind of a slight pressure to think right okay this is the first podcast they're gonna come on don't put them off podcast we're good here so when we started it was just going to be a casual conversation and everything and i can believe that after all this time the very first episode has about 370 plays which to be honest it is pretty impressive considering it's the very first episode and if i'm honest it's not again i don't think that's the fault of either you or me i just think because it was the first time that we ever did podcasting and especially that added pressure of doing it live as well at the time Yeah, it quite a mix wasn't 100% and it was quite a tricky balancing act you had to do at the time as well which was like you're dealing with a live audience essentially. I know it's not in person live but as in people watching and people asking questions, tech problems happening on the fly and you had to deal with a lot of things that were quite lucky nowadays that we can kind of get away with a bit more with Zencastr. I know you still managed to edit things afterwards but even still it was your editing from Twitch so no it was a very different time in terms of what you were able to produce a very different sort of atmosphere as well I really enjoyed we revisited Twitch streaming a while back for the cafe episodes and i really enjoyed that but was a different vibe than what we kind of got up to I'm just looking through some of the episodes. You a lot of different guests on and stuff. It's just funny looking at all the different guests, all the different names of people we haven't seen for a long time. And then I'm just noticing, yeah, you spoke about Heavy Rain way back when. Oh, yeah. I had to revisit that at some point.
00:25:15
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I'd love to have any that you've got we're looking through, so season one, that you're like, oh, absolutely have to revisit that. You know, I think about it all over the time. Yeah, there's so many because, i mean, you and I, I don't know if it was for the 40k celebration or one-off that we revisited talking about Dungeons & Dragons. It's an episode that we said, oh we're going to revisit we're going to talk about it. And yeah, it was great to go back to... two a couple of them because you've got the Heavy Rain one which a month or two ago back in February Bad Games Duels and I did the whole Quantic Dream month and honestly that whole month was a blast but it was also really nice to go back back to Heavy Rain and see if my opinions had changed. Most part no they hadn't but it's quite weird that say for the very beginning that they were all very gaming centric or gaming leaning because episode two immediately jumped into a Halo retrospective, then we had horror games. The horror games one I really want to go back to because I wasn't as experienced with horror games back then with things like Resident Evil, um Silent Hill. Would love to go back to that at some point. But then again it goes to Call of Duty, the childhood games which, were you on the childhood games one? i think so i think that was when we kind of just chatted about just all the weirdness that happened in childhood and yeah episode six would you believe that was the one where we had our first interview and i'll always be thankful to blowfish man tv because yeah i remember asking him at the time thinking nah there's no way he'll say yes to this and it was like yeah sure i'll come on and it's like oh thank god i'm Thank God for that. As you said, we had Stubborn Zombie as well. The Blurry Show. My God, that is a blast from the past. Captain Heart.
00:26:58
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Honestly, there were just so many. And it was good to have that kind of mix, I think, at the time. We also had our first unofficial themed month. Have I ever told you about this? Go for it, now tell me. Maybe not themed month, but themed series, which was the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure one. Yeah, just looking at the thumbnails there. It's the first ones in the custom thumbnail as well. To be fair, I actually, don't know if that was season four or five. I went to my good friend, Roscarlo, and I was like, hey, do you want to draw a red panda as Jotaro? And it's like, yeah, okay. Also, I need a blowfish assistant. stand and it was like yeah okay why not and it's a fantastic cover but yeah there was a lot of video game-esque ones i have to admit i did like the deadly premonition one i thought that was a really good episode comic-con as well that was a really fun one to do with you same with the bad films that was one of the first ones that i genuinely thought okay this is going to be a good idea as well and i don't know if you feel about that with certain episodes where you know the way when we pitch ideas to one another it's like is this going to work is it not? And then it eventually becomes a bit of a staple of the series when Adam and I did the Silent Night, Deadly Night and Bone Alone film, which we'll never get old saying that. You know, that led on to Andrew and I doing bad films at Christmas and I was going to say you and I did it but I don't want to insult Red One. LAUGHTER Yeah, yeah, yeah. Be careful here. I think we did an episode video game films around that time as well. Yeah, I think you're right. Because we did nostalgia in video games. I'm sure you were on for that. And what was quite interesting as well was I didn't do the first off stream episode until think episode 21 which was with Andrew. Now for anyone who's wondering it was the review of the Star Wars Clone Wars series in 2003 and it's split into two parts. The reason it's split into two parts you might think oh it's because you know part one part two that makes sense. Actually I think it was probably because we ran out of time. recorded it so we're like okay we'll split it into part one we'll do part two another week and then we did that and i think andrew's mentioned that in the podcast as well that he couldn't participate at the time on the live episode so we kind of just had to arrange random episodes for him to come on off stream we've got the pokemania one as well that was fantastic yeah it was a great time there's a lot of good poke One one's on here. I'm just looking back at that. We did like Pokemania one. Should we Pokemon films as well at some point? We did a lot really good Pokemon ones. Maybe just not then. That's not me. I got mixed up when they were, but yeah. We chat a lot of Pokemon. Because there's nearly 300 episodes off the podcast. And I have to it blurs them my mind as well when I'm like...
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Oh, interesting. Yeah, we've got the Sonic 6 episode that i did with Super Shadow. And yeah, I interviewed him as well. Fantastic episode. The Bardemic one. There's the content creation one as well. i think I did that one with you Yeah, I think it was kind of actually similar to kind of what we're doing just now. We just kind of went back and looked over what we'd got up to and how we managed it. That'd be quite interesting, interesting especially during that era of the world, how things might have changed since then. Oh, absolutely. And yeah, wrapping up with that, we've got the interview with Kitty Kitty Faith and the Starship Troopers episode. Jesus, I completely forgot about that one. That was the one, I think I've said this story a million times, but that was the one where I went to visit Adam within COVID guidelines, of course but I went to visit him to watch the films with him so that we could record it at a later date and long story short we ended up eating each other's pizza by mistake which you might think oh yeah that's easy to mistake but think he got like a veggie pizza and I got a barbecue chicken one.
00:30:36
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I don't know if that says more about me or the state of the films when we're watching to be like oh this pizza doesn't have any chicken on it this is the weirdest barbecue chicken So if we go to a vegan restaurant, don just say it's a chicken barbecue. You won't know. This is the weirdest vegan chicken barbecue I've ever heard. But then we had the 50th episode celebration. And something I've noticed as well is a lot of the titles for these episodes are really boring. They're very blunt and to the point. It's like, right, this episode, Starship Troopers, this one, Heavy Rain. You know, there's not really any variety, is there? No, you've not quite nailed the talking points yet. No, absolutely not. Actually, fun fact, do you know why each season is 50 episodes? No idea.
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Tell When we got to the 50th episode for Chastanami, I remember Adam saying that he couldn't keep up with the schedule anymore just because of real life commitments. And he was like, oh, we can move it to another day. And i was like, yeah, no, why don't we just start recording it off stream instead? Which, again, i feel as if that's when the podcast started to pick up a bit. Not that season one's bad by any means, but I just feel as if it's got a kind of rustic charm to if that makes sense there's a couple of good episodes don't get me wrong but i think between my editing which i really don't like in season one because i remember you advising go leave a couple of ums and as and things like that and and i think i just left in the wrong ums because i listened back to it and i'm like yeah that's on me i should have just cut this cut that and i've become a lot more strict as podcast is going on but that was a fun time but yeah that's the reason why it's 50 episode seasons i've always thought about maybe cutting down as the podcast goes on but yeah that's the reason why it's 50 a season which is absolutely wild isn't it yeah it's like a whole year per season like what was because it's usually due for weeks off yeah covering a year and a bit every season so what's this now like six years you've been going well this'll be the sixth year we're going into yeah it's
00:32:40
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crazy so then that brings us on to season two where i think we were starting to get a lot more relaxed with one another because we kicked off with the cornetto trilogy we also had our first episode of chatsu nani which was the anime sub series and i'm sorry but i love a good pun We also had the Chatsu Shorts episodes as well, because you did one, didn't you? It's been something that kind of got brought and yeah, made a lot more sense once you went on to recording it remotely as well, that we could just, you fire in a couple at once. I think that's typically what we ended up doing, is we'd record back to back to back, and do like two long episodes in a short one. I think the idea, and this is so ambitious of me, that I wanted to do was have one mini episode a week and then have one big episode a week. But between the work that had to be put into it and everything, because I'm one of these people that I have tried to ad lib episodes myself and it just doesn't work. If I don't have anyone to bounce off of, I'll just repeat myself and everything. And it's just, it's not good listening me. honest. In between that and having to heavily edit it, you think you might as well write a script for it, especially with the episode last week where I talked about Resident Evil Requiem, and that ended up being 11,000 words because I had so much to write. But yeah, we had your episode, the episode with Low Fishman TV. Are there any ones that are catching your eye? I was going to say, we had the first official month of content Oh, of course, yeah. Which was Halo. Yeah, that was an interesting month, have to say. That was one that I was quite nervous about because think nowadays I'm just like, yeah, sure, let's do a theme month about whatever. But it was the first time that we had done anything like that. And I've seen other creators do similar things. They'll say, oh, let's do a theme month of, I don't know, Marvel or DC or Yu-Gi-Oh! I'm manifesting it.
00:34:31
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Things like that. But yeah, it was an interesting month to do. Funny enough, I think that month got broken up by one week because yeah, that actually was. That is crazy. Season two was one of the only times that I wasn't present for an episode because I was away with my family to the Isles of Orkney. So Adam and Andrew recorded an episode on Princess Mononoke without me. And that was interesting, editing that all the way up in Orkney being like, this is so weird. I Not on this episode. And then we had to wait until the week after to do a fun episode though. I think what was good about this season as well was there was a lot more deep dive episodes, like what defines the maturity of a game, because you were on that one as well, weren't Yeah, was just looking at and was just thinking about the topics kind of start to get a bit more in-depth and a lot more interesting as opposed to just, here's the name of a film. We're actually trying to understand a bit more into what we're doing and trying to find parallels in games and movies and stuff, which is really interesting. There's a lot of things that, like, just being honest, I'm scrolling here, not to go too far off. got the different months. I mean you're not wrong Jimmy
00:35:50
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ninety minutes i mean you're not wrong to be honest because I feel it as if at least in season two that we we're getting our kind of footing and the formatting of it especially with Sonic Month I was wondering how we're going to split it up and everything but instead of saying oh let's talk about game a game b we split it up into the retro age the dark age and the modern age and we've actually got although it's probably a terrible episode for audio only but remember we did the OC contest I just spotted that, literally, as you were saying.
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indeed Which is still a great episode, but it's been so long since I've listened. And that's the thing, I can't exactly take it out the month, because it's episode 31 of season two, I'm like, oh, sugar. But yeah, we kind of framed it around more of a question. sorry, Sansa, you're actually getting mistaken here, that Craigie C that's most of these episodes. Oh, of course, my bad. Why is he not this episode? Oh. Unbelievable. Terrible. Can't hire the course these days.
00:36:52
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That's why you had to step up. Yeah, that's right. replaced his voice and stepped in. Again, we had a lot more interview episodes as well. We had Zuzuchi, BGE. We had the first appearance of Wisteria Moth, which, get used to that name, because she returned several times and actually took the record for the most listened to episode of Chatsunami. Absolutely wild. We had the interview with London Rose, Noob Tunes, Nafgains as well. Honestly, these are all names I'm like, Jesus.
00:37:23
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I can't believe it. Yeah, the Book of Boba Fett. And see this period, know this sounds so weird to fixate on, but this whole period with episodes like What Remains of Edith Finch, Kind Words, The Beauty of To The Moon, they're some of my favourite episodes just purely because of how in-depth we got into the topics. It was kind of the first time where I felt as if we weren't just saying, I like this game because of X or, oh, I didn't like it because of Y. And again, I don't think season one was that stilted, as facetious as I'm being, but I feel as if that was definitely a period where we're finding our voice to be like, this is why it's good. Why do we think that this is so unpacked for? And I feel as if season two was definitely when we were getting into more deeper topics. My interview with the content creator Glitter Kitty One, we talk about a lot of things about harassment and the content creation sphere and her work as well with music and whatnot. And it was like one of those episodes you listen back to and you're like, these are just some amazing points that are being made. And it made me realize that the podcast, although it can be silly, it also has that seriousness to that makes sense. Yeah, 100%. And I actually think, if anything, that might be one of the major benefits of leaving Twitch when you did as well, and that you were able to kind of make this much more relaxed atmosphere and you don't have to perform in the same way if you do when you're live or somewhere. So we were able to kind of drill into more serious topics, more in-depth stuff. Yeah, like the episodes you kind of mentioned there. And as was saying, we get more of these deep dive into questions and theming as well. And I a lot of that's just to do with creating a more relaxed atmosphere. for you because i can't remember if this is a season where i had to start using disclaimers and things where i'm like yeah this episode is probably going to be a bit depressing please hold on to your hats here like the paper please episode and the return to the obradan maybe not so much for the return to the obradan but the paper's please one was really heavy to talk about also had the interview with search and the sun bad games jewels as well which honestly is actually amazing how i interviewed her all the way back in season two and then she didn't come back until the resident evil month for revelations one and two and then the david cage month it's a bit like you know that scene out of halo where it's like wake me if you need me it's like i need to talk about david cage i'm in And yeah, it's amazing how, yeah, we capped it off with the 100 episode special, which again, that's such a boring title. Yeah, well, what about 100 episodes? Literally, that's the title of a 100th episode special. I'm like, Satsu, you boring bugger. Actually, this is something that I started doing as well that I really wish I had done in season one as well. And that is the best of episodes. So I would take four episodes of the podcast and then I would just rerun them just so there was something coming out constantly, even if you and I were taking a break. But then that also led to one of the first experimental episodes for season three. Do you remember this?
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and No, I'm not sure. One of the minion varieties. Yeah, was looking at and was like, did that open season three or is it on the side? So it's on the side and do you want to know the reason why? It's too good to put in season three, would have had to feature on the best of. Well, that too. It's because I think Adam and I had agreed to do Terminator Month, right? I'm getting politicked out of my spot. I'm not saying it's a coup. I guess i get it's fine.
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But it was like, how do I kick off Terminator Month? So I was like me sweating in the background going, do I release this episode now not? And I thought the people have to hear it. But yes, season three, I would say personally is one of my favorite seasons. I don't know about you and I'm not going to say like, I don't know about you as an off the top. your head but scrolling through you know we had terminator month we actually had one of the very first episodes to reach over 500 plays and it's actually at 581 plays as of this episode and that is the review of the anime loved chunibio and other delusions which i did with our friend of the channel wonko the same that episode will always baffle me and again not because i think it's a bad episode i thought it was a really good episode i thought we got into some really deep themes and there was a lot of interesting discussions but do you ever feel that way when you're looking at this list thinking why do certain episodes get more attention oh definitely that's one that leaps out at me definitely because I'm not like a big anime guy, but that's one that was like, I have no knowledge of that show. Yeah, it seemed to transcend almost all other episodes that you did at the time. And honestly, up until the K-pop Demon Hunters episode, that was at the top, genuinely. It was the first one to get to 300 plays, then 400, 500, and now it's on its way to go to 600. And I remember looking at the K-pop Demon Hunters episode, one just go up and up and up and i thought yeah it'll do good but there's no way that is gonna supersede that one and i remember i was on holiday and i kept checking my phone and i was like holy hell it's still going it was and we will get into that when we get into season five but yeah it's just it's absolutely crazy how successful that one was living in the pokemon world as well I was going say there's a couple of new themes start coming out in season three and the living in the blank world ones. Yeah. ah Definitely one of my favourites you've kept on. Oh I love it and I think that is the thing with a lot of these episodes that if the first episode isn't good then I probably won't go back to it but I don't think there's any series that I've done that with. You know with Andrew and i we've done the first and last series we've done the living in the hex world the theme months as well the chow tsunami and whatnot which i think came season four or five i want to say yeah that living in the pokemon world i think because it was just so funny and bizarre and out there i thought we have to talk about it, but with other things, like you and I did the Mario one as well, I've done a Sonic one, there was the Legends of Zelda one, a Warhammer 40k one as well, which was just surreal. This also was the season where we started doing commentary tracks, would you believe? Oh yeah, yeah.
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Oh, I know. Honestly, like I said, I'm just looking through each season as we go and that was the one that stood out to me as Godzilla vs King Ghadira. It's probably my favourite episode we've ever done, personally, just because it was so funny to do. And want to say one of the first ones we did in person as well. Yes, I think so. No, the Minions one was the first one we did in person. Maybe we did it on the same day. I can't remember. I feel it all happened pretty close anyway. Wayne. Yeah, that was one of my favourite episodes, doing it in person, just hanging out, being weird, and trying not to wear all pants over this bizarre, and one of my favourite films ever, and to share that experience with you and with everyone else that listened was, yeah, such a great time. Because I don't know how well it would have worked if we were just doing it over Zincaster or whatever, but I do remember vividly just losing my mind when it was that scene. And for anyone who hasn't seen it, I'm not going to describe go watch it all i'll say is there's a plot line where they bring back a monster kill another monster i can't go through this again so they bring a monster from the past to the future to kill godzilla but then godzilla kills that monster then they bring the monster back and they end up they end up roboticising that and they bring the monster back and it's like there are so many options that they could have gone for it's so good this is the hell they died of
00:45:08
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Honestly, if you want to see the visual representation of it definitely either check it out, the full thing on patreon.com forward slash chat tsunami, or go look at it on our YouTube page at chat tsunami, where we've got the best of compilation. I will watch that compilation every so often, because I'm like, this is one of the funniest things I think we've ever done. Yeah, it's just, I think when we lose ah a topic, and that's the mark of a good episode, to be quite frank. After that really silly episode, it's like, yeah, let's talk about Perfect Blue.
00:45:41
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Yeah, an unbelievable switching topic there. Because Perfect Blue, I genuinely think that is, in terms of seriousness, it's one of the best episodes that Andrew and I have done together. But that was also one of the episodes that we had to re-record because i remember we recorded it and then I listened back to it and it's just the audio quality wasn't that great. And I thought, you know what, either I can put it out and then live with it. best my days or we can redo it and fortunately he was all on board to redo it and yeah once we did it it's honestly it's been one of the best episodes and yeah it was 460 plays as of this episode but of course then that goes on to the pokemon tier list that did we do generation two and three yeah yeah i think we decided to skip one because it be too controversial but we should probably revisit that one day i just don't think we'd be able to reach an agreement between us yeah snorlax s tier oh
00:46:38
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Oh, no, I'm joking for legal reasons. That's a joke. Actually, speaking of that, these are all your episodes. I had a lot of creative input this time. Do you know, I think this is why this is one of my favourite periods of the podcast, because this is where you turned around and you were like, yeah, I've got an idea. I'm like, I've got 20 ideas. We're going to burn through them all at one season. It's like, you know that scene out of South Park where it's Netflix and they answer the phone and they go, Netflix, your project has been greenlit. I think that was me with the podcast. It's like, yep, your idea's greenlit. I haven't told you what it is. yet Oh, it doesn't matter. It's going to be great. Because yeah, you've got the Minions one. There is the King Ghadira one, of course, which was amazing. After that, we had the Pokemon tier list for Generations 2 and 3. Then there's a two-year anniversary special that you and I did in the same room. as well yeah that's the period where i also got to take part in the scottish collaboration yeah it was really cool that was a really great event i think that was organized by dawn from the scottish murders podcast and her podcast is absolutely fantastic like seriously definitely check it out but our conversation was really really good because i did a episode with her and then it was like after i'm like you want to just flop it over just like yeah sure and i got some really invaluable insight into the world of true crime podcasting and things and it really helped me to broaden my horizon for these types of episodes <unk> but that was a great one and then that also leads on to the christmas episodes which i feel as if that was oh my god was that season three the muppets christmas carol just looking at that i was like i don't remember but it being that long ago oh my god oh that's depressing
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but That's got over 400 plays, by the way, which I remember when it reached 400 plays and i was like, it's not Christmas. I can't say, oh, do you want to listen to it in June? Like, no. Then there was a Living in the Legends of Zelda world. And then season three, I can't believe it was this late. So season three was when I started a tradition where I would, well, actually, I don't know if that is the season. Actually, no, maybe it's not. Maybe it was the season after. But every Christmas I like to do a, you know, on behalf of Chatsunami, I wish everyone that made a Merry Christmas, etc, etc. But then the season after I started getting more people involved. So it was like a kind of more community thing.
00:48:58
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But we'll definitely get onto that, of course. and We've got Spider-Man Month. with andrew and i and then it was like hey martin do you want to talk about japanese spider-man there's only one man for the job when it comes to that honestly there's so many episodes here that and feel free to shout out and stop me if you see one in particular but we've got the what does it mean to be a sonic fan which i did with the syria moth with super shadow 271 i did the sonic frontiers review and already the sonic frontiers review has such a better title than did sonic frontiers live up to the hype and then the beauty of firewatch did with jess from the pinionated luscious love that episode genuinely i don't know if you've listened to it and again there's no pressure to be like like have you have you martin that was amazing same with the as dusk falls review with dan from casting views there's a lot of just amazing episodes in this period isn't there 100% and we were very lucky and quite blessed to have so many people that came on the show as well you know so many different guests and stuff to lend their opinions you know obviously I would love to say that I'm the anchor that keeps the show in a good place but I'm obviously not it's having the opinions of lots of different people that really help the show and that I think this is a great sort of run of different people, different ideas, different opinions. There's so much going on this season. think it's genuinely one of the best when you look back at it. All the way up to you did a music episode with Valentine Spindler a few weeks later after that stuff. And it's like, there's so much going on here that it's like, it's so cool to look back at. Funny enough, that whole episode was completely by chance, because I was talking with a friend who turned around and went, hey, I've got this friend who's a musician, and I've also told them you've got a podcast. Anyway, here's our contact detail. And I'm like, what the hell are you doing?
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But it was a fantastic episode, and she was really lovely to talk to which, to be honest, is the central theme for a lot of these episodes. So it's just like, they're all lovely people. And yeah, as you said, there's so much variety. There's the 40k reasons not to live in the 40k universe, the anime tropes episodes, review it yourself interview, the sea beast one, which I have to say, and I'm not saying it's a bad episode because it's got over 400 plays, but I always forget about that. episode but i think it's because i forget about the film itself and i go wait why do i know that name and i'm like oh yeah oh yeah and yeah episode 30 of that season our dnd journey which we revisited so and it only took us what
00:51:19
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Over a hundred episodes later. We got there. How do you feel about that? See, going back to old episodes and then revisiting them to update them. Are you a fan of that, would you say? Yeah, I think so. I think especially with gained experience. So as an example, I probably wouldn't revisit a just generic D&D one again yeah or a specific film. but kind of what you're saying about horror genre one in any kind of first and last where there' there's been more episodes like things where we've kind of had the chance ourselves to experience more but also things where the series or the genres updated I think that'll be quite a fun look certainly my view on things like Star Wars and MCU whatever they're totally different in 2026 than they were in 2020 so you know that kind of stuff be quite interesting and certainly a lot just an example you've got the DreamWorks retrospective episode 33 there that's pre-Puss and Boots The Last Wish Yeah. I think. Which is the greatest film ever made. Things like that as well. It changes the scope. Especially with things like episode after that. It's actually quite handy here. What does it mean to be a Legend of Zelda fan in 2023? Like that'll be a totally different episode now in 2026 than it was then. There's a whole new console come out since. Oh no, absolutely. Because I don't know if that was before Tears of the Kingdom. I hope I'm getting that name yeah otherwise Andrew's going to beat me up. But yeah, think you're right because, i mean, we did have a Breath of the Wild review and what it means to be a Legend of Zelda fan because i think at the time there was a build-up to Tears of the Kingdom coming out. But you are right. There's a lot of these episodes that you do see and you think, how differently is your your opinion going to change on them? Because, I mean, even with the one that we did, what makes a good action film? I don't know if we could add much more because I feel as if our opinions are relatively the same. Hobbs and Shaw, your favourite film? the Raid cinematic masterpiece. yeah There's not much to add there, but you're completely right with the DreamWorks one and the Pixar tier list. A critique of Sword Art Online I'm not revisiting because it was already a good episode. And then, of course, we've got Simpsons Month. What i love about Simpsons Month is you've inserted yourself like the inanimate nod to both of them. Oh yeah, the first two episodes, and again, this is one of my favourite months where it's like we talked about the rise and the fall of The Simpsons, and funny enough, the downfall with The Simpsons, you probably see it on your screen, it is not significant, in fact, no, it's over 30 plays, so yeah, it is significantly more popular than what made The Simpsons so good. And it's a crazy thing because we're we not talking about that at the time. that it was like a YouTuber that found out that people react more positively, ironically enough, to negative content rather than positive ones. Yeah, actually, a wee look behind the scenes of not to take too much credit here. But originally, The Simpsons once you were actually going to join the Rise and Fall as one episode. Oh, of course. And I said actually you should split these two up because i think you'll get more traction and it makes more sense to me personally in a story sense but I think you'll get more traction with a fall episode than you would with a rising fall. Obviously we'll never know but you went with that layout and it seemed to work pretty well. No it was definitely the right choice for sure so thank you for that.
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Because then after that, we did the Simpsons movie, and then your alter ego came in. And then we had the Nintendo Direct, and then back to the character study of Groundskeeper Willie, which, that was a weird one, because that was a fan-voted one. And I think I put him in as a joke character. And then as soon as people voted for him, I was like, oh, sugar! That's me done now. on that one was that the one yeah i think it might be because we've done two about wrestling that's the thing i'm like was that the one or was it another one i think it might been that one because yeah i think it might have been after just one day i'm good as bill think you was the one that you came to see me as well your first show so i think it might have been that yeah because i've still got your old picture I don't have an updated one, and I'm not going to scroll through your pictures to be like... No, no, no, just keep it like that one, keep it like that one. Yeah, of course, we've got more streamer spotlights. In fact, there was a row of them, actually. We had Robotic Battle Toaster on, we had the Bring Your Own Popcorn podcast, we had the Fantastic and myth Monsters on, and also Mama D from Petals of Support as well. Do you see that there was just like a long line of guests? Yeah, I think that's cool. I think that's kind of what I was going back to saying earlier. was It was a great time to get lots of different people in. And I think certainly this time, this is when in the real world, everything had really opened back up post-COVID. You're kind of left with a lot of the cream of the crop when it comes to podcasters and Twitch people who's left kind thing. Is this when you'd made Podpack? Is this around this time as well? No, that was actually the year after. For anyone who doesn't know what the Podpack is, it was like a kind of small indie group that I started with some very fantastic podcasters like the Game Club Pod, Gaming Views, Seismic Cinema, and the Howdy Beans podcast as well. Absolutely fantastic podcasts. But it was kind of a way for me to insert kind of positive community within because I felt as if at that time as well, as you said, there was a lot of people leaving. So a lot of people who were kind of eager about podcasting were drifting away. And some of the ones that were still there, obviously not naming names, but there was a lot of kind of negativity at times where people were moaning about stats or podcasts.
00:56:40
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the state of the community and yeah actually I'm really surprised it was the year after for that because we also had the travel episode as well which would you believe that's technically the first Chow Tsunami episode I was thinking that you know I was looking episodes and was thinking It's funny, we've never really done another travel episode, but we actually have. We've just kind of like rebranded it and taken it in elsewhere. I'll need to update the cover art because technically it is in that category of Chau Tsunami. It's like the unofficial first episode. So just in case anyone's wondering, Chau Tsunami's sub-series all about food and travel because there's no way I'm making two sub-series possible. But the travel episode is so damn funny. And again, you know, that's one we could definitely return to. And actually, that also brings us on to the first, not in person, because obviously we did the Minions one, but this was the first one where we recorded ourselves at Comic-Con, wasn't it? Yeah, the first was Acme Comic Con at the time. That was a big step, I think, for you. think it was like a very big change. We went around the Comic Con in person and we recorded stuff and we had a bit fun and we filmed out there. And it was a really good time and it was fun to me to turn that into an episode. That's one of my favourites in terms of the making of. I really, really enjoyed that. And it was, like I said, it was really cool to see you stepping into that zone as well. It was terrifying, but at the same time. no no it was good to push ourselves out of that comfort zone rather than sitting around being like this movie's good or this movie's bad you know it was great to be able to go there and again this was before the days of being officially a content creator for these types of cons where was just like yeah let's do it ourselves and you know do it in the respectful way obviously we weren't just running up to people being like talk to the board guys so that was really cool and that actually leads us on to our very first fan requested episode which was of course the mortal combat film of 1995 that you and i of course did yeah i really need to get more fan requested episodes i don't know how you feel about that yeah i really enjoyed making episode um i did feel bad because we did kind of slate the film a wee bit that and we put it off for the longest time It's a real shame because obviously it a fan request and it was exciting for them. And had a lot fun watching it and laughing about it and stuff. I don't think we praised the film. I think we slated the film. And funny enough, I'm just looking at the cover art because it's before I started just using one character. But that was the first time I had the avatars for the quote unquote fans of Jack. Chatsu and Nami. Is it not just Chatsu and Nami? Yeah, Chatsu and Nami. So the female one's Nami and the other one is Chatsu, yeah. I haven't used them for a while, but if I do get back into fan episodes, yeah, they're getting taken out of the box again. It's like, good news. Then, of course, we've got the importance of podcasting, talking to Dan from Casting Views, Reena Friedman-Watts as well. And again, all these kind of retrospective episodes, what makes a good horror film. I think that was Zelfia Moth I did that with. a great episode in the 20 years later for a Call of Duty retrospective yeah then we got to the Lord of the Rings month which have to say I listened back to our episode for that a while back and it is such a good episode it was Return of the King wasn't it the animated one that we reviewed. Aww, what a time. What a time. actually listened that one recently because I was just thinking of just all the one-liners in it and just all the stupid stuff in it. I'm glad that your idea for that month was to not just do fellowship to those Return of the King back to back to back as the actual Peter Jackson films. Like we got to kind of muck about and do whole bunch of things and that's one of my favourites, that we watched that and we reviewed it because it's a nonsense. But I've still got that song stuck in my... well, two songs. When there's while. Where that? Cheers. No, there's that one. And then there's Frodo of the Nine Fingers, which I still think is terrible because it's like he did so much more. But again, listen to that episode. That is fantastic. We've got a three year anniversary episode at that time as well. Jeez. Oh, see these Chatsu shorts ones. I don't know if you've ever listened to them, but it's when Doctor Who returned and they did three back to back specials every week. In these episodes, I gave my initial thoughts on them, and they were supposed to just be like fun bonus episodes, but I didn't really have any scripts for them. Personally, I'm not a fan of these episodes, just because prefer having a script. if I'm going to do it on my own, or having proper filled-out notes that I can return to. But for that, it was kind of, you know, again, it was just to give it a go and everything. But then, of course, that brought us on to Christmastime. We had the review of Noel, the Hallmark films one, which was fantastic, and our very first sitting-in-a-car-in-Glasgow episode. Ha ha!
01:01:26
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The sub-series it never was. We've done it twice, come on. No, I know, I just hasn't, like, we've never named it the sub-series when we sit in a car. I think it's literally called First Impressions. Oh, that's what it means when we sit in our car and review stuff. Pretty much.
01:01:42
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because there was lot of really good Christmas episodes at that time. I don't know why this wasn't a proper episode for First Impressions. In fact, no, I'll tell you why, because think I was really worried about the quality with the, because I had the DJI mics. Yeah, the first time we'd really properly used them. Yeah. We did wee bit with the Comic-Con episode, but I think this was the first time properly sat down and tried to make an actual episode. Yeah, that's true. And then after that, we had the Santa Claus episode. And again, this is what was saying before, where I got everybody, well, who wanted to take part to send in a Christmas message and say, wish you all a Merry Christmas. And that's been a staple of the series ever since. And then I think it was Andrew and I that did the 40k plays one. And then, yeah, that leads us into, we are in season four, aren't we? That's about to say that, yeah. We've jumped into season four without much fanfare. Yeah, sorry. Season four started at Mortal Kombat. Yeah. just in case i was like we did we did briefly mention it but yeah yeah yeah just in case someone's like wait what season will on and again think between season three and four they're definitely my favorites because we've got a lot of episodes here that are just banger after banger we've got the pokemon generations one effect do a generation one to your list so it must have been with andrew yeah was it wasn't me i was like i'm so sorry
01:03:02
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No, that's probably best for both of us, Addies. Yeah, that's true. The Art of Making a Bad Film. Oh, that was a great one. Do you remember that one? Yeah, that was a lot of fun. I really, really... That was one of the most I've ever came with notes for an episode. I had pages of notes. i could probably go find them, but I genuinely had pages upon pages of notes written up for this one. So good. And then speaking of good, we've got the first episode of Stop, Drop and Roll Initiative, where it was yourself as the game master. It was me, Andrew, Robotic Battle Toaster, doing just a D&D campaign, wasn't it? Yeah, I do need to go back and dig those notes out because I want to start playing D&D again. I might add steal a couple of things from that. Yeah, because I think they're on the back burner. But then that leads us on to, again, you're going to hear this a lot that I say, oh it's one of my favourite theme months, but Pokemon Month? Brilliant. That's one of my favourites. We talked about... And again, this is amazing as well, because it's something you said there that it wasn't just like, oh, let's review this game, let's review that game. Instead, we really, in the words of Barney Gumball, we took it to strange new places. And it wasn't number eight, trust me, but we talked about Pokemon rumors, we talked about the media beyond the games, we talked about the... fact, we did another commentary track for Pokemon the first film. Yeah. Another bright one as well. I love the comedy track ones. fa so I'm so biased, but I love those ones. Oh, they're just so good, though. Genuinely, I feel as if we have to do more at some point. We did a review as well of Pokemon the first movie, and then the trivia quiz, which I feel as if the trivia quiz kind of died out when we got to Mass Effect month, I want to say. That was kind of like an easy episode that always added at the end of theme months, where I went, right, okay, we've got topic ABC. Okay, for the last episode, instead of thinking of a brand new topic, let's just do a quiz.
01:04:51
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For better or for worse, to be honest. What I'm asking is, do you miss them, Martin? I did enjoy them, but I always got rinsed at them. I was terrible at them. So, you know what? I'm glad they're gone. Between you and I, I don't think Andrew is sad. I think he's very happy. I do want to quickly highlight, you've just kind of skipped it as we went past it. You also did the episode about cassette beasts. in amongst all this and I like this one because you ended up getting a bit of hype with the developers as well like they kind of reshared your stuff and you kind of chatted back and forth and I thought so that was really cool that they took the time to reach out yeah nice bunch I always love that see when I talk to game developers when I'm reviewing game or something and they retweet it the hype is real I'm like oh my god they noticed me because that was the same with I did an episode on Ova Magica, and I feel so bad for that one because the person who gave me the code, the developer's called, different think, Claudia the Dev on Twitter and all the socials, and she gave me a copy of it and was like, oh, you can review it, blah, blah, blah. And because it's one of these, you collect blobs to battle, but then it's also like a farm sim game. So I was like, right, okay, I'm going to have to sink hundreds of hours in. to this so i put it to the side and just because of real life and work and whatnot i had to keep delaying it and then eventually i got around to it and you know that way when you get into a game and it just that hooks you as that moment where you're like oh my god this is amazing and i felt so bad but honestly she was so lovely to be like oh no thank you for reviewing my game because i think when i released that episode she didn't interact with it at all and i'm like that's it i have peeved off this person no She's not going to talk to me anymore. But then she had some very nice words to say about it. I was like, you know what? Thank God.
01:06:32
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and We had the importance of video game collecting. That was a really interesting one. That was with Super Shadow 271. We talked about physical versus digital. Yeah, I really enjoyed that one. remember that one now. That was a good one. We got another fan request one across the Spider-Verse. And one of my other favourite episodes of all time, like in the top tier next door.
01:06:53
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King Ghadira one thanks to the living in the Pokemon world the perfect blues I just love the title I don't know why I called it well I do kind of it's just called Soggy Toast and Eggs Galore Living in the Sonic World Phenomenal there's just so many moments in that I don't know if it's between the fact I do a terrible impression of Dr. Eggman doing that and it's like what would happen if you know you lived in the Sonic world is Sonic essentially the Mothman that you see him and you think something bad is gonna happen here You know, it's like you see the dead fish in Godzilla, you're like, oh no.
01:07:27
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So that was amazing. Again, I got Wisteria Moth back on the week after to talk about My Happy Marriage, which was, i mean, it was still a funny episode, but wasn't as funny as the song. No, it's a different tone. And then, of course, I got you back on and for breaking the streak where you won your belt. So it must have been that episode then. Must have been. But then that was only a year ago, so I'm not sure anymore. i'll have to go back and listen to them and take a wee gander. Oh, and sorry, there's one episode with Marie who, she's kind of put this podcast on hiatus now and she's in the We Needed Roads podcast, but she used to do a podcast called Two Girls, One Reusable Cup, which i have to say, see, despite the kind of funny name, that was a really interesting episode about things like environmentalism and the work that they did to bring awareness to that topic. topic but i love how there's that seat again this is chat tsunami in a nutshell you've got that and then right beside it is colorado conspiracies wait what is it colorado conspiracies and digi problems best of digimon the movie commentary track yes that's a brilliant one that is one that i always i just cackle at it it's beautiful 10 out of 10 no notes the significance of dragon ball that one i think was a bit bittersweet because i think that was around the same time that akira I was going to say, I seem to remember it was really close. yeah Yeah, I think that was like a week or two after. And that's the thing, unless it's something that we can get easy access to, you know, and say, okay, we're going to review this film, game, etc. I feel as if it's a bit of a mix whether or not you're going to get more interest in an episode, if that makes sense. But for that one especially, I felt as if considering you and I are big fans of Dragon Ball Z, and so is Andrew and because I think it was Andrew and I that did the episode at the time and it was honestly such an important episode to do but again that was more serious and everything and then the next episode was talking about the year of shadow the hedgehog which it wasn't overly funny but again it was a bit more light-hearted then talking to caroline from the beyond six seconds podcast which again fantastic podcast then simpsons hit and run episode oh god i do remember that one that was with super shadow 271 Another one that's really weird, and I don't know if you've got the analytics up here, The Knuckles Show. Yeah, it just looking at that, it's done really good numbers comparatively for an 11-minute episode. I don't know why because I really did not like this show, so I was like, I had to talk about it because, you know, love Sonic, etc., but... I thought, right, okay, I've done it, I'll put it out. But it's really weird because if you look at the other two Chatsu shorts that put out, I did one about Fallout, which 174 plays, Helldivers 2, 176 plays, Chatsu shorts, Knuckles, 248 plays. I don't know why that popped off as much as it did, but yeah, there must have been a lot of really interested people that game. Power of Sonic. Exactly. Faster than Sonic, if you will. if you will. But then, of course, we had Star Wars Month, which was a lot of fun to do. i'm actually surprised we haven't done more Star Wars episodes before that Because, I mean, technically we did. There was the Bad Batch episode. Did a Clone Wars way back in Season 1 as well. Yeah. And that was it. It's funny, yeah, we've not really done much. Especially with the games and stuff. Well, no, we did. And I think Andrew nearly got chased out with pitchforks because we talked about these Star Wars Battlefront series. Now, I love them. I've got such a nostalgia for them. Andrew did not. This was the first time he was playing them. So his experience was a little bit sullied.
Reflection on Podcast Milestones
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you know and it's like it's so interesting because on the one hand it could have been like two-hour episode of us going oh this is amazing i love this i love that but it was great to have his point of view from someone who hasn't grown up with the game or hasn't really played it very much and again you know it's a great thing to see that different perspective and again getting to the end of season four we've got verity sagging with the i can't remember what she's rebranded it to but it was formerly the lazy girl's guide to podcasting but she's rebranded it since there was nova brush the vtuber and my very would you believe my very first full-length solo episode coming in at 41 minutes and that was for spec ops the line fun fact that was supposed to actually start as a video but i lost interest in halfway through and i'm like you know what screw it's gonna be an episode because i was really running behind with it and i thought you know what put it in as a buffer episode but i feel as if it was quite good you know that way just to have one episode too yeah yeah and again i don't mean this in like a horrible way that if you're not able to come on or andrew adam or anybody else says no satsu we don't like you
01:12:13
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oh No, all joking aside, at least I know that it's something I can do, whereas it was something that before that point I was a bit kind of nervous, if that makes sense. Yeah, 100%. It's a totally different thing. Like you were saying, not having someone to bounce off of, but to go for 40 minutes is pretty impressive. I mean, you should seen the Raw run. because for the Resident Evil Requiem one I spoke for over two hours but it's definitely been cut down way further since and I think that's partly due to the fact that I keep repeating myself but I don't want to stop and start so I just keep going I just keep repeating the same thing and I'm like oh god I'm gonna have to edit that so much there's the Howl's Moving Castle again another fan request really need to get back into that and one of my favourite reviews of all time slash episodes the World of Food reviews that we did Yeah, that was a lot of fun. We ended up just chatting kind of nonsense for a lot of it as well. and Yeah. It was a bit nostalgic for the two of us. I think we kind of revisited a bunch of stuff we did together and just kind chatted nonsense. I really enjoyed that episode. It was lot of fun. That is definitely one of my favourites by far. And then, of course, we went to what makes a great animated a bridge series with Andrew, back to Wisteria Moth for what makes a great Sonic soundtrack, where i think it was, yeah, over an hour of just us going, this soundtrack's amazing, wasn't it? One of my personal favourite interviews was the interview with the YouTuber Mert Keiki, who I have to say, this is one of my least expected guests on the show, because I remember messaging her thinking, you know, very popular YouTuber, does a lot of amazing video essays and things. There was no way, you know, this person's going to say yes. And then I got the reply being like, yeah, sure. You know, I love podcast, let's do it. It was such a great conversation. You've probably noticed that as well in the early episodes that I used to have a bit of like a skeleton structure to say, oh, what's the reason behind your name? Why do you do this? You know, it was all kind of the same questions. Whereas, although I kind of have a similar thing now, I'll just let the conversation station flow a bit better. And then I feel as if guests seem to be more receptive to that, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. It'll be a lot more relaxed. And you, as an interviewer as well, you're a lot more relaxed. think that helps bring people in and gets more out of them. And then, of course, for the finale of season four, had Mass Effect month, which I'm not going to lie, not only was this the first pod pack, collaboration but it was just absolutely incredible i don't know if you've listened through to yeah no i've listened to the first two because love mass effect 2 i think these are some of your best of personally because it could be such a chaos and you've done such a good job like managing it so many different collaborations no i think these are really good they're really funny but good fun and like I typically don't play remakes. I think I've told Destroyer before. I won't revisit that, so it's nice to kind of revisit the older games for me in a way that isn't sitting and playing 100
Launch of Season Five
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hours worth of Mass Effect. So this was really fun. I still kept Mass Effect 2 among my favourite ever games. And so listening back to this was, you know, akin to playing it in a different way, but also with a new perspective. It was a lot of fun. Which then brings us on to see Season 5, so we're in the home stretch now. We're about one season off, and i remember, yeah, I'm looking at the art, and absolutely love that artwork. It is the one for the review that Wisteria Moth and I did of the game Alice Madness Returns, which is a bit of a heavy game, I'm not gonna lie especially to kick off season five but it was one of these games that i mean i thought was really important you know to talk about and everything it was honestly such a great experience and again that was another instance where the developer has i'm sure he's liked one of the tweets like ages ago and again i don't want to get all parasocial to be like oh they've noticed me but genuinely i was like oh that is so cool that they've at least acknowledged it so that's a fantastic episode as well love that there was the interview with honor's diary at this point there was a lot of game reviews that i started doing for indie developers like broken mind that was a really interesting one shishingo learn japanese with photography that was a really interesting game as well and yeah it's just it kind of goes back and forth because there's also victory heat rally toy tactics as well lots of game reviews here which honestly so much fun to do them then we've got another solo episode reviewing torchwood children of earth which think there was an anniversary for that episode when it came out and i don't think anyone had the capacity to review it at the time so they were just like Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, the Dead Space remake and things.
Advantages of Audio-Only Podcasts
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Before we go into Dragon Ball month and everything, is there any ones that are sticking out to you in particular? There's one that's slightly into Dragon Ball month that's just caught my eye, but you mentioned Toy Tactics, so think it's fair game. But you did the interview with Tartan Tabletop. It's funny because I'm looking at the exact same one yet. And I think that was a super cool moment because that was people that I already knew outside of from working with you. And then they're quite local to us as well. So it's kind of like a nice big circle and it was a lot of fun. a fun episode, but I think it was quite a nice experience for all of us to kind of get involved with each other. Because we have indeed seen them live. Well, I think you've probably seen them more than me, mind you. But yeah, I remember when you were doing, was it FantasyCon at the time? Maybe. I've seen them in their own shows as well, for what it's worth. I'm not getting myself stuck in a car and I can't remember what it was. Because I'm sure it was, I went to see them and it felt kind of weird because we do these episodes audio only. And usually the reason I do them audio only is i feel as if people are a lot more comfortable doing the audio only. They do don't have to worry about their appearance or anything or having to do like an early face reveal or whatever. But it also means that if I turn up to see these people, they don't know what I look like. So it's like, you know, in those thriller films where it's like the person talking and then you've got the guy with the cloak in the background. I mean, obviously didn't bring a cloak, but that's how felt sitting in the audience. Nobody knows who I am. Yeah. With a big chat tsunami. Nobody knows. But yeah, going back, we've got Dragon Ball Month, which I love the artwork for Dragon Ball Month. Yeah, it's one of the best, I think. Yeah, it's like the Ginyu pose, with you being Raccoon. It rhymes with doom. Yeah, exactly.
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but
Four Years of Podcasting Reflection
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I loved that because, again, it was just quite a mix, wasn't it? I think we did a really good job of not just doing Satan's saga, Freeza's saga, Cell's saga, Boo's saga, there's your month. You know, it it would have been so easy to do that. But we got to discuss Dragon Ball Fusions, which is the Janemba movie. It was bizarre. Did I have to talk about it? It was like like six minutes of great film in with it. I know it would have been terrible, but yeah, was good for laughing. There's some good episodes on that. Another Living in the World as well one. because we also had rating all the different transformations. Oh, that was brilliant. The failure of the live-action one, and then the trivia quiz, which, yeah, that was an interesting... fun And then again, celebrating four years of podcasting.
01:18:59
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But, you know, we've got celebrating four years of podcasting. We've got the one where we discussed the Grinch adaptations, which I really liked because it was great to compare and contrast. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Yeah, before Christmas, we had the interview with Oli DeVega, aka Blowfish Man. And it was amazing talking to him again and revisiting how he's grown as a voice actor and and whatnot. It was absolutely incredible. But none of those matter when you've got... or Next episode of sitting in a car in Glasgow.
01:19:29
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I thought you'd skipped over it then. was like, going to have to look back to this. This is one of favourite ones as well. It's because you put the clip up on TikTok as well. I'll be losing my mind about the guy walking out. You synced it up and, oh, it's brilliant. of my favourites we've ever done. I remember it so well because the clip's in the trailer as well. It is like the character Wolf doing something stupid and it's like, sir, it's clearly a trap. I accept your bait. It's like, oh, god i was so funny and i felt really bad as well because that was such like a good episode and everything and then it was like the week after i had to go to andrew and do an episode with him on it everybody planned the film andrew hated it yeah yeah was like terrible do and then of course we got the chow tsunami episode of course bringing in 2025 jesus where have the years gone martin But yeah, we had that one with discussing the world of stunt food. I love this episode, by the way. It is just so bizarre. I don't know if you remember the details of this one, but it's just, it goes from things like, oh, look at these wacky creators and influencers. They're creating all this mess to what the hell is a meat hat? LAUGHTER Do you remember that one, sorry? Sadly, i didn't want to listen to that one simply for the different types of food involved in that one, so I politely bowed out after a wee bit on that one. That is fair. I'm not gonna lie, that is 100% fair. Not great for my constitution. No.
01:20:52
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But... Then of course we've got four interviews in a row which again these are amazing people. We've got Cindy from thep the Hypno Wellness podcast talking about the world of hypnotism and whatnot. That was really interesting. We have Mary-Anne who is a fantastic true crime content creator who does the Cold Case Kansas podcast.
01:21:12
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Then we had Neil from the We Need Roads podcast talking about his time as a editor. And then one of the weirder ones i have to admit although he's such a nice guy was the person who ran the out of context a pokemon twitter page yeah that was a brilliant one so i remember you messaged me at the time like i'm gonna ask them to be on the show was like yeah brilliant again you know i started talking to them and i was just like oh yeah do you want to come on the podcast and everything and the guy his name's kazuhira he was like yeah yeah sure sure and i was like oh i didn't expect to get this one but that was a fantastic interview because again i love just getting people on from different backgrounds because it don't get me wrong the more the merrier if they're from podcasting or streaming or whatnot but it's just great to get that variety in there of course after that we had two back-to-back dream months we had avatar month and mario month and i think The reason we did Avatar Month so soon was this was around the time that Andrew had to take his hiatus from the podcast because he was preparing for the birth of his son. That is a pretty fair excuse. Yeah, pretty lame, isn't it?
01:22:20
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but For legal reasons, that's a joke. I've met the trialties very often. that was interesting because, again, it's like when you look at the list, it's just such a time capsule to go, oh, yeah,
Debut of Chatsu Cafe Segment
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that's the time where Adam had to set back or that's the time when Andrew did or, you know, it was just, it was really interesting because then right after that, we had Mario Month, which, Again, it's weird because for Avatar Month, it was really structured. You know, we talked about Avatar The Last Airbender, we talked about The Legend of Korra, we talked about the live action film, and then we ended with a trivia quiz, which I feel as if this was the period where the trivia quiz was starting to outstay as welcome. because you and I of course did talking about Super Mario Odyssey, talking about the latest film at the time, talking about living in the Mario universe which is one of my favourites as well and then after that we did the very first, as you were mentioning before, the very first episode of Chatsu Cafe where we streamed it once again live on Twitch. Yeah, that was such a good run for us. I really enjoyed those Mario ones. And then, yeah, being on the cafe once again was a good bit of fun. Good bit of nostalgia, you know, going back to what we did beforehand and just kind of revisit it all. It was really good. so really enjoyed it. It was also just nice just to hang out and chat with you for a bit. Absolutely. And I do a love those episodes, I have to say, where it is just we've not really got a major topic. We just kind of go through things and say, yeah, how was your day? Yeah, fine, thanks. I think I got threatened by an author. Yeah. There's always something going on, man. Oh, there always is. Every week it's like, well, let me tell you. And then after that, yeah, you've got a trio of amazing interviews. had a YouTuber who does a lot of gaming content. I don't have a nose. I always make a stroke to say his words, not mine, but genuinely that's the name of the channel. I don't have a nose. Katie Shee, who is, again, a fantastic VTuber and fellow Scott as well. So bonus points. And then I also had, and this is one I was kind of worried about, the Eureka Investigative Urban Fantasy group, who they did a tabletop game and they talked about the kind of of Not ethics, but you know, the kind of thoughts about what makes a good tabletop game and the ideas around D&D and whatnot. Yeah, it was really interesting. The game is also interesting. Definitely go check them out after this. But then, of course, that leads us on to Animation Month, which I forgot that Andrew was on. Of course it was. So he stayed on just a little bit longer. That was amazing. You finally got to talk about Puss and Boots in the last wish. We talked about Wallace and Gromit, which I listened to recently. Love that episode. Detective Pikachu as well, that Andrew and I talked about. Your name and the
Growth and Content Diversity
01:24:50
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Emperor's New Groove. So fantastic. I had a wee moan about Doctor Who after that. I just want to real quick, just for your name when I was gutted to not be on that. It was just the way things had worked out with the scheduling, but I'd actually watched the film about a month before. So maybe that's one to read, isn't it? that is the worst, isn't it? Well, I mean, i haven't done the... Oh, what's the one where the guy turns into a chair? Suzume? Suzume, aye, it might be... Yeah, is Suzume. Oh, let's that done. I could do that one, to be honest. Yeah. That was a kid. great one but I just loved that month I'm a wee bit disappointed that and again this isn't a reflection to the lovely pandalurians listening or anything but it does again upset it's a strong word but I get discouraged see when I see a month that I think oh this is going to be great and everything and then it doesn't do like it's not a bad performing month by any means but it didn't do as well as a
01:25:39
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thought it would and i don't know if it's because it's just so varied or the name's just too generic or whatnot but i mean they still did great and there are some of my favorite episodes you know as i said the waltz and gromit one's great the emperor's new groove one's great as well it is honestly just a fantastic month plus i love the pun animation but I think as well always going to get these things And it's the same across any kind of content That you put your heart and soul into And you love And you think this one's going to be an absolute doozy And it it does okay And then as we're probably going discuss pretty soon You'll do one that you're like Ah let's do this episode And it becomes the most popular episode you ever do I could see it at the top.
01:26:16
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And we're reading it very soon. Right after that, as I said, I did like a massive rant about, and again, this is something want to draw a quick aside to, but I hate doing overly negative episodes, unless I've got a particular point to make, because I've talked about that before, kind half jokingly about people saying that I do a podcast that I don't edit, I do it raw and everything. And the reason that I don't like a lot of those podcasts, other than obviously the fact they don't edit, audio is the fact that a lot of them are usually overly negative but it's not negative to be constructive it's usually oh this is bad blah blah blah i mean i don't know about you martin but it does feel quite draining to listen to that constantly so to do an episode like that i think it was just because i felt so passionate about the time what went wrong with that particular series that i went you know what i have to say something Yeah, I try not to be negative. Because I feel as if whenever try to be negative, you just pull me out and go, none of that, here's a minion meme. I think it's important to be negative sometimes. You don't want to be like that toxic positivity where nothing can go wrong. But I do think that's something I quite enjoy about. At Tsunamis, we typically talk about things we like. But I do think it's important, especially with something like Doctor Who, where it's something we love. And we've got lot of love for it. think that's kind of what makes it a bit more valid to have episodes are bad on it. You know what mean? Like, on negative, as you because we do have a lot love for it and we don't like what happened to the show. You know, it's not like we're just tourists. don't know if that's the right word, but you know, people that aren't really fans. Oh, look you with the slime! Thank you. Yeah, I opened Twitter the other day.
01:27:50
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Sorry. And they come out and they're intentionally be negative just to be negative. I think a lot of our stuff comes from places love. I like to think so anyway. No, absolutely. way As I say, if I'm negative about something, then there's a good reason for it. It's not that I'm going to target something specifically to be like, I hate this, I hate that, blah, blah, blah. But I mean, even after that, the second day episode of Chatsu Cafe came out and that was with Andrew, I think. Yeah, it was. It was with Andrew. I do love the Chatsu Cafe episodes and I do really want to do more of them because there's a lot of episodes i think we've done that technically would constitute this chatu coffee episode Yeah. but i love that idea because when that
01:28:37
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It's a conversation between friends or just very friendly people just chatting away about a particular topic. And it's basically like a chat over a cup of tea, if you know what I mean. You're that way when you've got a friend and it's like, oh, put the kettle on and, you know, you have a tea or have a can of Coke that you open in the mic. LAUGHTER I wouldn't do that. That doesn't sound like me at all. You wouldn't make me jump.
01:29:00
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No, no, that doesn't sound like me. I'm looking around, we're trying to find a can of Coke. It's close. It's like those old piracy adverts. You wouldn't open a can on the podcast. But then after that, yeah, you've got
Addressing Harassment in Content Creation
01:29:10
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the Ova Magica review, which again, I am so sorry it took so long. Honestly, that is one of those games that I thought, yeah, I'll sink a couple of hours. And then it was like, wonder how many hours I actually have put in. And it's like 70 hours. Oh my God. Then there was the interview with Sawyerism, where we talked about, again, the positives and negatives of fandom. Then I got to talk to another fantastic indie game developer, Valiant Game Studio, who made Creature Kind. And usually when I get a copy of the game to play and review, always try to be positive, but then I also try to ask the developers if they want to come on the show to talk about it, then they're more than welcome to, because when I do that I don't know whether developers, again, I'm talking about more small indie developers. I don't know whether they're kind of hesitant to come on the podcast. Because if it's a, I don't want to say like a gotcha, but you know that way? Like once it'll say, come on. And then they're, yeah, overly negative or something. Yeah. as well as that as someone that has a background in software themselves. Software engineers aren't always the most social people, so you have to kind of coax out them wee bit as well. So that's something that you have to do. And then, of course, after that, I've got potentially what's one of my favourite episodes, and I don't mean that in a funny episode. This isn't an episode I would ever introduce someone to chat tsunami with. to say this is the one episode you have listen to and that of course when i decided to do an episode about the issue of harassment against female content creators because i think at the time and obviously it's been going on since you and i were young even on the xbox 360 days and whatnot but it was happening a lot more at that time and there was a lot of articles and whatnot and I reached out to Mary-Anne from the Cold Case Kansas podcast, absolutely lovely person by the way, and she said yeah sure I'll do episode with you and was really interesting deep diving into that and obviously I don't want to make too many of those kind of episodes because you don't want Chatsunami to be bogged down in those really serious and quite heavy hitting issues but at the same time I feel as if at once every so often essay episodes would be quite positive. Especially on subjects like that where it's something that's super important and something that's affecting all of us. think it's an important one to do, but yeah, it is at the same time not the easiest to listen to. In a positive sense, it gets confrontational. So yeah, you can't base your entire podcast
K-Pop Demon Hunters Episode Success
01:31:30
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over it, but at the same time it important to do things like that. And I just want to give a huge shout out to all the female content creators that did contribute their own testimonies and things because reached out to quite a few that I knew and I genuinely didn't expect the level of feedback that I got for it because genuinely I was like oh I don't know and mean admittedly some accounts were definitely harder than others you were listening to and it's not competition but it was just it was really heartbreaking to hear it but Again, it's important to draw attention to but I know exactly what you mean. It's not something really that is easy listening. Again, back to the whiplash, you go from that to a review of Sonic the Hedgehog 3, which I feel as if there's probably a reason why that episode didn't do as well when it came out. They listened to that episode and they're like, God, is this episode going to be just as... no serious it's like no it's about sonic and i got to talk to the other dan from gaming views which was an amazing episode as well and then i'm gonna let you take it away for that episode it's time for that episode the most listened to episode of chat tsunami one of my favorite films of 2025 this is what it sounds like let's discuss k-pop demon hunters featuring my stereo moth and not me
01:32:45
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but Now, this was one of the episodes that genuinely I had a plethora of people because there's so many topics where it's like genuinely I'll go to you and be like, oh do you want to talk about this? And you're like, so mosquitoes full i sorry. Sorry, but no, get out of my house.
01:33:03
Speaker
No, but as it's like, sorry, you know, I don't know enough about this topic or i don't want to talk about it. And then I go to Andrew, he says the same thing, out of my house. And then, you know, we go back and forth and I'm like, okay, I managed to get someone for it. K-pop demon hunters, even Andrew came up to me and was like, I can't believe you didn't ask me. I'm like, why is everybody suddenly walking? to do a Gamebomb episode. And again, this was wild because it did relatively well the first couple of days and I was like, ah, right, okay. And then think it was the first week I was like, oh great, this has reached 100 plays or close enough to that. And as I said, I was away up north on holiday and I was sitting there checking my phone and then I was like, right, okay, it's going to 100, it's gone to 200. And then kept checking it and then eventually it overtook the Tunibio episode and it went to 500, 600. It got to a thousand and i was like okay it's gonna peak at a thousand nope still kept going to 2.1 thousand plays which see ever since then no episode has come that close and i don't know why again i think it's an amazing episode wisteria was absolutely as always she was fantastic on the episode but i don't get why that again it's the randomness of it isn't it i do think it was right on the zeitgeist of k-pop dino hunters it was everywhere you could not go anywhere without hearing golden
01:34:20
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I dressed up as roommate for the comic I think it was like a week after that. It was completely and utterly everywhere but I think what's interesting about Kpop Demon Hunters that it kept growing quite naturally. Yeah. I think that's kind of what helped the podcast. It wasn't like a, don't know how to explain it You know when a film comes out like, I don't Endgame Avengers and and it it's like that first week it was out was the highest grossing week ever had and that's the end of it.
01:34:41
Speaker
Well Kpop Demon Hunters had this weird word of mouth super trend where it only got bigger as the weeks went on I'd love to know the viewing habits for it but it felt like after one week it was twice as popular as it was the week before and you know it kept getting more and more popular think that definitely helps with something like the podcast where it's like you just got in at the right time everything was exploding around it it was
Comic-Con and Community Engagement
01:35:00
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just I don't want say right place right time because that's not fair in a lot of the other episodes but a lot of it was everyone was talking about it you were already out with an episode What really confused me as well is have done episodes a week after couple of days after, whether it's a game, a film or whatnot, and they never usually take off. So that was quite surprising. Like I expected maybe a couple more lessons or podcasts. plays but yeah this genuinely took me well by surprise i was like i should do more k-pop demon hunters shame there's only been one but then right after that we did another podspot collaboration and i think it's something alex from the game club pod actually pointed out where it was like well the reason k-pop demon hunters did better than bioshock month is bioshock is like a 20 year old game yeah no quite on the up and up well very true I used to know what was in. That was a fantastic month as well. I really enjoyed going back to discuss the games. And also we discussed the DLC as like a kind of separate episode, which was a lot of fun. But again, I feel sorry for Alex, who he got stuck with one of the most controversial DLCs. But see the 250th episode. Again, I keep saying, oh, it's one of my favourite episodes. But genuinely, I adore that episode because it's just pure chaos. You've got Luke from the Howdy Beans podcast, you've got Robotic Battle Toaster, you've got Dan from Gaming Views, you've got Alex from the Game Club Pod. There's literally one point where the conversation derails and they start talking about Bioshock cocktails and things. Again, it's that, what I was saying before, that chilled out atmosphere, just chatting with friends and everything. I absolutely love it. I think it was just such an incredible episode, because it is kind of a partly, what would it be like loving in the Bioshock universe, but never really framed it as that, so don't know. instead it's just like a very general conversation but then of course that leads us into oh god but this is the finale essentially all of season five going into season six and that is the very first time that i got invited to epic comic-con fan frontiers con of course where i was officially a content creator there and i know obviously they've got lots of content creators there that go around and they do amazing work but i mean i was terrified wasn't You almost didn't apply and I had to kind of coach you. Don't hold you. Pulling the screen behind too much. Yeah, you almost didn't apply and I had to kind of like, by the way, it's a good chance. They've got pretty good thing of what they're looking for right now. Yeah, we were very lucky. were very lucky to get it. But you put a lot work in. It's been really cool for me to see you getting to do that and as I mentioned before, you know, you're a totally different person you were when first started it. And there was a moment for me, don't know if I mentioned this on the episode at the time, but there was a moment where you spoke to my coach Wolfgang, just sort outside the thing. And I was like, what surreal moment for me that this interaction happening in front of my eyes. you know just a really funny time and yeah I'm super proud of you for doing that because it was even now out your comfort zone but I think it's like the episode came out of it I really enjoyed doing and obviously got invited back as well you're one of the permanent content creators now which is really really cool it's really cool but I'm gonna be honest I didn't expect it. I was sitting there checking my emails and know you and I were talking going we're gonna go to PowerCon or we're not back and forth. I think
Season Six Highlights and Themes
01:38:20
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you were already making plans. I was genuinely teetering on the fence thinking ah nah maybe I'll just stick to working on the podcast at home and then I got the email from them being like hey content creator wanna create content. I was like that's a phishing email for or something's like click this link yeah because i had to send you and i was like is this real and yeah of course fortunately it was real but no that was a surreal experience as well because it was like yeah i just i didn't expect that as of this point in the podcast i genuinely didn't expect us to be standing in the middle a comic-con and talking to all these different people there who all share the same interests and being able to use the podcast as a way to be like oh, check out this, check out that. And I've met some amazing artists seeing the artist alley and whatnot, because that is something that always do. If I buy something, then I'll give them, and I have to renew my packs in this rate, but I'll give them a packet with my business card in it, a sticker and a pin. Sometimes they'll immediately follow, that's amazing. And then sometimes they might not, which again, is also okay. It's not obligated for me to hand it over and be like, you have to follow this or else I'm coming back. What a threat, I'm coming back to your shop to buy more stuff. Don't make me buy this.
01:39:36
Speaker
But yeah, it's fantastic meeting them and getting to see their passion for what they do. Absolutely love artist allies. I'm not going to lie. They're my favourite part of comic-con as well. What also love is I feel as if I'm the most oblivious person in these cons where it's like you'll point someone out and be like, oh, that's so-and-so. And he might be one of the most famous people on the wrestling sphere or something. And I'm like, Oh, okay. I have no idea what that is, but I'm happy to meet you. To be fair, that happens a lot with me. think I know fairly lot about the anime, and then I go to these conventions and don't recognise half the cosplays. Yeah. And like, okay, it turns out just don't know that much about the culture. mean, there's a lot less Deadpool people than me. used to be true and speaking of no i'm joking we haven't done a deadpool episode but yeah this actually brings us on to season six and of course this is the final stretch but kicking it off in october we had resident evil month again you're gonna hear the phrase say the lines i love this month absolutely love listening to again i've been pushing myself out my comfort zone to try and do more solo episodes and i don't want the podcast entirely to be just me talking but yeah talked about the beauty of the first resident evil remake you know talked to luke from the howdy beans podcast dan from gaming views joey from the game cob pod and then adam made an appearance and then disappeared back into the sandwich void again and what was really cool i also did a solo episode right after that because i wanted to talk about soma which again was a really heavy episode but what was really cool about resident evil month was i'd only intended to do five episodes for it and friend of the channel as i was saying back in the season one discussion bad games jewels she said oh i really like the revelations games like one and two if you need anybody to come on to talk about them i'll come on and i was like yeah sure why not and it was a wee bit worried because had been so long since she's been on the podcast so was like i don't know if the episode's gonna go well but it was one of
Personal Growth and Seasonal Reflections
01:41:40
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the best episodes ever i'm not gonna lie it was just a laugh a minute see because of that episode you know that episode is the reason why we have a david cage month Oh, really? Yeah. Just off the back that conversation? Absolutely, yeah. That's so funny. Yeah, because during the episode, I can't remember, think, Jules had said Revelations 2 is like the Beyond Two Souls of Resident Evil, and then kind of snowballed from there, and jokingly she said, oh yeah, if you ever want someone on for a David Cage month, and it kind of stewed in the back of her mind, I was like, no, I've got to get Jules on now. It's absolutely worth it. And then, of course, we had our five-year celebration last November, where I finally talked my partner into coming on the podcast, which, Ganesh, were you shocked when you finally found out that I'd convinced her to come on?
01:42:27
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I think. I guess we've seen what it's done for you, so it's a next level. But then when you told me the topic you guys were doing, was like, oh, I would blow on the budget on this one. Oh, absolutely. Honestly, I loved that episode because the initial plan was I brought the mics to China, by the way. That's how dedicated I was. So I went over and I was like, right, OK, we're going to go to Shanghai. And then we, well, we recorded ourselves talking about the trip. But then when we got to the other places, we just didn't really have an opportunity to sit down and talk into the mics. And plus a lot of the hotels we went into, the walls were quite thin. And I don't think they would have appreciated someone like me going, what's up guys, it coming from Beijing, China. it's like No, I think they would have kicked me out the hotel. So I was like, yeah, no, maybe not. So we had to come back and there was a lot that we recorded back home. but It was a fantastic trip, to be quite honest. It was just like a bonus taking advantage of being over there and seeing the sights and everything and, yeah, getting to travel over there with my girlfriend. So, yeah, fantastic. And hopefully Miss Tsunami will come back.
01:43:29
Speaker
official onto the podcast yeah then of course wrapping up we've got the christmas episodes red one standing by the r one amazing oh yeah we did home alone as well i keep forgetting that that was the first time we talked about home alone oh yeah and bad christmas songs as well because i remember andrew was like oh do you want to talk about home alone one and two and it's like no let's split them up was know And then our final episode of the year was the Christmas specials for The Simpsons where we talked about the first and last and I really enjoyed that episode I have i don't know if you listened to that one but it was Andrew and I talked about Simpsons roasting in an open fire the very first episode of The Simpsons versus the latest one where Ned has a crisis of faith Yeah no really enjoyed it The Simpsons is definitely one that it's fun to do that with as well such a big difference It was a great idea i thought it was pretty inspired And then, of course, I can't believe this is the lineup for 2026. We've got a two-part episode starring Marie from the We Needed Roads podcast where we talked about the pros and cons of AI. Do you know that is practically the longest episode of Chat Tsunami on a technicality? It's so long you did actually have to split in two. It was four hours. Jays. Well, was the raw audio was four hours, but if I kept it into one episode, it would have been, yeah about three hours, I think. Yeah, just roughly three hours. But no, I had to split it up because that is an unwritten rule that I think I'm going to do going forward. that If it's two hours max, that's relatively okay. but Looking up at the time bar for this one right now. It's so wet. not going to expect people to listen to the equivalent of the extended edition of Lord of the Rings, so nah, probably not. But then after that, of course, I mean, that AI episode, that was a heavy one as well, because it started quite upbeat and, aha, AI's terrible, isn't it? And then at the end, it was just like this existential crisis of, oh my gosh, we're doomed.
01:45:27
Speaker
yeah and then we had our cameo episode as well didn't we yeah that was lot of fun really enjoyed that was something a bit different it reminded me a lot of when we did the food reviews episode a bit of a laugh and take a bit of fun and then yeah we had the third episode of chats the cafe which we need to return to talking about kevin can bleep himself which again go from that where it's like oh that's a relatively serious show and then anyway let's talk about little gator game which was honestly such a fun game to play. And then talking about Quantic Dream Month with Jules as well, that was so much fun to record. But I feel as if, see the last two episodes, you notice that as well? The last two episodes seem to have done really well. And then the first two episodes of it, they've not done terribly, but I don't really understand. what's going there. In fairness, especially Fahrenheit is such a distant memory for me now. Troy Become Human's one that like, oh yeah, remember that game. You know mean? Even if you look at your graphics for it for the month, that's the game that parodied. So it's like, there is a split in where the game's going to line up nowadays. And oh my God, that's actually near the end. The other one that had here was the interview with the one in the Luteronic who was the co-founder of Sonic Paradox. And Sonic Paradox was this animation group that did all the fan animations
Tech Topics and AI's Impact
01:46:40
Speaker
and things that were very ingrained into the old Sonic community back in the day. And it was so surreal seeing that group and then messaging them and then seeing them follow me. And I was like, hey, thanks for the follow. Anyway! come on honestly was such a lovely guy but again it's that surreal nature of sitting there going did i just talk to someone who was involved in something that i grew up with you know that way oh it was amazing and then of course the last few episodes where us returning back to power con for fan frontier that was an amazing experience wasn't it yeah it was brilliant and it's like just kind of as you're saying about being invited back as a content creator for a second time and there's good vise and we got to record again but yeah just lovely being back Really kind that they invited us back, and I'm hoping that's something we can just keep doing. Oh no, absolutely. As long as they'll have us back, to be honest. I swear I won't harass any of the artists at Artis Alley to be like, listen to my podcast. But no, all joking aside, it's been fantastic to work with them, and it's fantastic to have the opportunity to use the podcast to promote such a great con. Because let's face it, I wouldn't be doing the content creation work for them, or I wouldn't be going if I didn't believe they weren't doing good work. but they absolutely are, so absolutely fantastic. And of course, the final two episodes we have are the Wonder Man review, which I have to say took Andrew and I a while to get this one out. Well, I say Andrew a while, it's me who's in charge of editing. So it's like, yeah, great episode, but yeah, just took a while. I had to keep pushing it back and back. And of course, the Resident Evil Requiem one, which that was a long episode to record for, so I'm just glad it's done, to be honest. and yeah i cannot believe that
Podcasting Journey and Future Aspirations
01:48:20
Speaker
is six seasons of chat tsunami and as i said this episode will be the 28th episode of season six so yeah we've only got what 22 episodes left don't we until the season ends it's time time keeps ticking away Because, I mean, this is my final point, I swear, but again, I don't want to sound like David Lynchian to say I want to try something more experimental and whatnot, but I do want to keep trying different things with the podcast and push ourselves out of not too far out the sphere of comfort, but enough so that at least each season feels distinctive. Would you say that overall, looking back at the podcast, that each season has its own distinctive vibe? Yeah, maybe not vibe but growth. I feel like each season is different in that new things get brought in and we try new things and new themes. kind of mentioned at the start, I kind of like the different genres of almost recording. Things have increased in different ways. What a journey. Having listened to all that and chatted about the different episodes and stuff, it has been an amazing time. Six years in the making. who knows what we'll do next who knows what you'll do next i should say i'm just here doing what you want to do but there's a of cool things you've done so far and i think there's a lot cool things to come it's just trying to find out what those niches are and what's going to be fun to do next to be honest and not to get too morbid to be like i don't know where the podcast is But genuinely, it's that feeling of thinking there's so many podcasts that I've met online and I've been like, oh, this is an incredible podcast. I can't wait to see where you go from here. And then couple months later, they say, oh, no, I'm quitting for whatever reasons. And that is perfectly right. justified but it's weird to see because that's exactly how felt about streaming that you saw all of these creators that they started as a mainstay of your routine and then all of a sudden it's like they're no longer going live they're not posting anything and nowadays you might see them post the occasional thing it reminds me of and i can't believe this is the one i'm thinking of but when i talked to naf gains ages ago he was a guy who lived in china for a while then he moved back to the uk and he did a lot of streaming on Twitch at the time. I remember him saying something along the lines of, and I'm paraphrasing here, but something along the lines of, I'm not always going to be doing this forever. You know, I'm eventually going to move on. I'm going to do something else. And it's that idea as well, looking at Chatsunami of thinking, what is the next step from here? Because I think that we've done a good job of keeping it relatively fresh without spinning the wheels, if that makes sense. Obviously that comes with being a variety podcast and a lot the things are a lot more similar but i know it sounds really pretentious to say there's a fusion between the old and the new of the podcast but do you feel that way that we've taken a bit of each old season and kind of kept it going forward but then also adapting it into something new yeah and And think as example, bringing the Chatsu was kind of like nod back to way. know, and doing the of more lighthearted stuff as well. So it been do want come back you're saying about what is for But one thing gone along it's been quite all. But that we've mentioned you've lot, just had connections you've made terms genuine human not connection. it's that 2020. yeah, it's like, yeah, it's yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's it's like, it's it's like, it's yeah, it's it's like, yeah, like, it's it's like, yeah, it's yeah, it's yeah, yeah, like, yeah, like, yeah, it's yeah, like, yeah, like, it's like, yeah, it's yeah, it's like, yeah, yeah, like, yeah, like, yeah, it's it's it's yeah, it's it's like, yeah, yeah, like, it's like, it's But all the fun we've had and the different things we've got to do because of it and obviously you want to keep expanding and keep coming up with new ideas but we don't need a destination where we're enjoying ourselves and I think that's something that's helped keep us going especially keep you going when lot of podcasts and streamers and stuff have disappeared is that it is fun. We're having a bit of a giggle aren't we? It's serious, serious work at the same time but it's always there for a bit light-hearted fun and a bit pick-me-up. Because I do think it is interesting that a lot people seem to think and I've spoke about this ad nauseum. in many many episodes but there's a lot of creators that think oh a podcast super easy because you just stick on the microphone you talk into the mic that's it that is all you have to do to become a successful podcaster obviously the basics of that is well yeah obviously you have to speak into microphone but i think what people seem to really underestimate is the fact that a lot of people don't understand that their voice can have so much weight. For Chatsunami, don't envision, and I could totally be wrong, maybe this will be the year that changes and we suddenly become multi-millionaires. Wink, wink.
01:52:42
Speaker
patreon.com for such shits and that may make it happen no we can but you know it's like people think oh they're gonna get rich and everything off of the podcast but honestly if i manage to make even one person's day better by them listening to the podcast i mean i'm obviously not gonna know that but at least i'll know i'm doing something right there i've made something that it's not overly controversial it's not gonna have hard-hitting geopolitics or anything or controversial talking points it's just simply a conversation between friends and as you said i have loved every moment of the journey i've loved being able to spend time with you especially and Andrew and Adam and whatnot but I mean I think a huge shout out has to go to yourself Martin because without you on this journey I mean I had a lot of self-doubt at the beginning thinking oh I don't know whether to do this whether to do that and you always nudged me in the right way to say well give it a go if that doesn't work try this try that I mean a huge shout out to you let's face it because I wouldn't be here without your encouragement and I'm not just saying that because the PayPal check just cleared but yeah genuinely I wouldn't be here so yeah massive thank you to you that goes to of course everybody who's starting a podcast get yourself a Martin well it's true though which you can know or now or no we can't
01:54:04
Speaker
That's how we become millionaires. Hire us out. Hire out a Funko version. With five different phrases. But no man, just to kind go back on that, I wouldn't do it if I didn't enjoy and I didn't think you were getting a lot out it we were getting a lot out of it, you know. I've hinted at it a few times as we've gone on, but it's been so much fun watching the change in you as a person and you've gone from strength to strength. The Satsunami at the start this was a totally different guy than he is today and the things that you've done that I don't think you would have done six years ago, you know, five years ago, whatever. I think it's helped you lots of different aspects of life. So that's been super cool. I have nudged you. I've nudged you a lot, but I think- 100% yeah. Typically, we've gone in the direction that I think you would have gone in anyway, hopefully. I don't think I've ever forced out your comfort zone, but I've pushed you out of it. I don't think you've ever been, I don't know, hopefully not, but I don't think we've ever gone too far with it, where we've done something that we've regretted, which I think is a good sign. Everything's kind of worked out, fun, that we've done. Maybe you're thinking to yourself, absolutely not, never recording another episode in a car again, but I think everything we've pushed ourselves to do kind of worked out, and that's exciting. Because even with the episodes that have gone wrong, and I use that very loosely because there's not really many episodes that we've had to scrap. There was one episode, I think I've spoke about this in one of the, it was either one of the anniversary episodes or the milestone episodes where, in fact, I know the one it was, it was the one where you and Andrew and I talked about, again, it must have been a milestone one, but I did a Chatsunami themed quiz and I was saying what episode. Yeah.
01:55:43
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it was ab baby or something you know it was a great interview but as soon as i did that interview either reach out and say hey hold off i'm going off on a hiatus so maybe don't release it and again it's one these ones that kept getting pushed back and back and back and even for editing the episodes i think there's maybe only been one or two times where i've had to edit out something again not overly controversial but something that it might be a joke where i'm thinking it doesn't really fit the tone yeah or it's not really appropriate again it's not something that would be overly controversial but again when you re-listen to it you think that is unfortunately my job it's the person who edits records and publishes all of it because chat tsunami is reflective in a way of the wider group and that's why think initially i was hesitant this is a saucy truth martin Oh, here we go, here we go. Why I was slightly hesitant to say, oh, Martin is a co-host, because in a heartbeat, obviously, you are the one that helped to kick off Chatsunami to begin with. At the time when you'd come on to do the odd episode or two, you were still building yourself up, and you've done fantastically, but you were building yourself up as this wrestler, winning belts and whatnot, beating people up at Comic-Con within the ring, sorry. Important clarification. Yeah.
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But, you know, you were doing all these amazing things. And don't get me wrong, Chatsunami is never going to be that controversial. But you were making your name for yourself there. And I didn't want you to be known as, oh, it's Martin McAllister, the co-host of Chatsunami. You were Martin McAllister, the one who was beating the streak and everything. And the one who was winning all these championships and never giving up and everything. So it wasn't until you asked him, are you sure I'm not a co-host? I'm like, oh, my God, it's fine. It's okay. Okay. glad if I I appreciate that I appreciate that that was like a few moments whereas Andrew yeah he doesn't get that choice he was becoming a co-host when he wanted to or not Adam Andrew no the chibi in the sandwich get in here yeah absolutely But I can't believe, honestly, and know you're sick of me probably saying that, saying, oh, it's been nearly six years since the podcast started. This is year five of the podcast. And I honestly, can't believe it. Year five going in year six. We have 100,000 plays. Yeah, we approaching the 300th episode. So I'm going to have to get Tony Hawk on for that one. I have to say that is one thing for any aspiring podcasts. Don't worry about rejection for guests and things because there's been several that I've asked people to come on to the podcast. I don't know if I've told you that I asked an actor to come on and everything and I got nothing back from them. Again, they have no obligation to come on Chazenna. It's not like me going, oh, how's your day? That totally their decision. But again, it's that idea that you start to learn these things that, you know what, if things don't work out the way you planned then you go a different direction with the podcast or... Yeah, 100%. With an episode, you go back and forth, and yeah. And again, I'm stealing your quote here, but it is about growth, isn't it? 100%, yeah. You have to get used to failure and getting rejected and stuff. It's just the way of any kind of arts and crafts is at the end of the And yeah, before we wrap up, I've got one more question for you. See for the future of Chat Tsunami, is there any particular episodes, theme months? Is there anything you hope to do? Totally not getting my pen and paper now. I was going to say, I feel like we should have done this offline. I've been... just more of the fun stuff as i said everything's been great and you know i loved the watch alongs and i've loved the car episodes and i think that's what i'm good at is that kind of stuff while i think other people are more prepared and more intelligible when it comes to longer drawn out thought out content so yeah that's what i want i'd love to do more of that and yeah just i want to see you keep experimenting and keep trying new things and see where it leads because the only place to continue going up i think Oh no, I can't wait to see. I'm just trying to think, because honestly, we've actually got a list of theme months and ideas that we've got in the pipeline. Because, I mean, I remember once saying, yeah, let's do a Shrek month. And then, of course, the powers that be at DreamWorks said, Chats and Abby's doing a theme month in December about Shrek. Let's move the date part. They heard. Yeah, totally. It's not because of internal development difficulties. No, no, no. They heard. They knew.
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No, all joking aside, I'll definitely be looking at that list again. And yeah, I'll be looking at everything else to see what we can do because it's been fantastic journey. And again, not to sound too morbid, I don't know how long the journey will last. as it were with the podcast. Hopefully it'll last for another five years, possibly ten. think there might be changes there are, but, you know, we'll cross that bridge when we come to But until then, yeah, this has been Chat Tsunami, the 100,000 Plays episode. Martin, thank you so much for joining. And yeah, thank you so much for going through each episode Yeah, no, it's been a blast. It's been quite nostalgic. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, no problem. Before we wrap up and get a well-deserved rest after talking for so long, where can these amazing Pandalorians at home find your content? You can find me across all the socials, but mainly Instagram and TikTok, at Mark McAllister. you search me up, I will appear. can follow me for other sort updates about my wrestling life and other podcasts I turn up on. And yeah, mainly stuff about Chats and Ami. That's me. I have to admit, whenever I see you have another podcast, I do that, you know, the meme mouth open pointing at the screen going, oh, it's Martin. Shout out to Scottish Wrestle Network. Yeah, my boys. Oh, amazing podcaster. Yeah, if you want to check out more episodes from ourselves, then you can check us out at our website, chatsanami.com, as well as all good podcast apps. I also want to thank our amazing Pandalorian patrons who have supported us during this journey, Robotic Battle Toaster, Ghostie and Cryptic 1991. Thank you so so much for supporting us. It honestly means the world. And if you would like access to bonus content, behind the scenes, bloopers and our commentary tracks as we were talking about, then you can check us out at our Patreon page, patreon.com forward slash chat tsunami. This podcast is of course a proud member of the Podpack Collective. For more information, check us out our Twitter slash x page at podpackcollect. But until next time, thank you all so so much for joining us in this podcasting journey. It has been absolutely fantastic and yeah, we can't wait to deliver more episodes to you. So without any further ado, stay safe, stay awesome, and most importantly, do you want to finish it Martin? Stay listening to the podcast. And stay hydrated.